Re: Satellites show sea level rise is accelerating

['cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List]

   On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 8:36 AM,  wrote:


​> ​https://www.mercurynews.com/ 2018/02/12/satellites-show- sea-level-rise-is- 
accelerating/

Compare with John Clark's claim of rise of one inch per decade. AG

OK​ lets compare, it says what we now for sure is that has been "3 inches of 
sea level rise in the past quarter century". They made a guess that it would 
accelerate so sea level would be "2 feet higher by the end of the century", 
well maybe so, but that would still make for a pretty dull disaster movie. Sure 
​it​ might cause difficulties but on a list of world problems it wouldn't even 
make the top ten​.​ I mean its not as if this sort of thing was unprecedented, 
the sea has risen 400 FEET since the peak of the last ice age 20,000 years ago​ 
and during that time the human race not only survived it thrived.  
      Ever wonder what a two foot rise in sea level would do to south Florida 
real estate values?
Would they go up... or go down. My guess is down, catastrophic flood damage 
tends to have that effect. What kind of dollar figure are we talking about. 
That would be astronomical! The value of just the Florida coastal real estate 
that would be impacted is off the charts.
But hey... don't worry, be happy.
-Chris

  ​John K Clark​
 
 


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
  

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: Positive AI

['cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List]

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 5:49 PM, Brent Meeker wrote:   
On 1/25/2018 4:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> A brain, if this is confirmed, is a consciousness filter. It makes us 
> less conscious, and even less intelligent, but more efficacious in the 
> terrestrial plane.

But a little interference with it and our consciousness is drastically 
changed...that's how salvia and whiskey work.  A little more 
interference and consciousness is gone completely (ever had a concussion?).
    Consciousness seems very emergent to me, in its nature and its dependence 
upon a substrate (perhaps not necessarily material at the fundamental level) 
upon which its temporal braided web of patterns can be structured, maintained 
in focus, stored, recalled, and re-imagined. Although also an incredibly noisy 
place (like a huge room with walls that reverb filled with people all talking 
at once, in reference to the signal to noise ratio of the crackling network of 
a hundred billion very chatty neurons) the brain, and hence the emergent 
conciousness arising within the complex topography of our minds is sensitive to 
becoming altered and even disrupted. As anyone who has ever had a few too many 
drinks can testify. I find it interesting how the brain, the highly folded 
physical neural cortex and the still poorly understood connector and glial 
actors in this organ of self awareness... how we experience the exquisitely 
serene experience of our emergent being and are spared the utter cacophony that 
is the actual electrical manifestation of our being within the wet chemistry of 
our brains (most of us at least, schizophrenia sufferers not so lucky)-Chris
Brent

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.  

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: Positive AI

['cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List]

 
 On 1/22/2018 4:58 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
  
 
  
Sleep probably serves multiple and also orthogonal functions in animals. I 
agree as well, that on some levels it is a deep mystery.
  
 
  It is death training, perhaps, also.  
 
 Didn't we just discuss a paper showing that one is conscious even while 
asleep. 
     In lucid dream state perhaps. On the other hand if one has no memory or 
recollection of when one was asleep can you really assign consciousness to it? 
Can conscious be truly conscious if it is also inaccessible to the subject of 
said consciuosness?   
 
 
 I think that last is dualistic error.  There's no conscious being that has to 
observe you being conscious.  I know that even when a person is not dreaming, 
they can be awakened just by whispering their name.
   That is interesting, but is the fact that some low level latent ability to 
snap out of a deep sleep by hearing your name whispered really all that 
compelling an indication of the sleeping subject being in a conscious state. It 
could be a low level pre or sub conscious mental program that is left running 
during sleep, which triggers the awakening of consciousness. Is it necessarily 
an indication of consciousness? -Chris
 
 Brent
 
 
 
-Chris
 
 Brent
 
 
 Or the building of the illusion we could not be, to build some sense of life, 
the amnesia of other life, to get an identity and preserve it against the 
prey—nature argument per authority ? I am thinking aloud … 
  Bruno 
  
 
 -- 
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Everything List" group.
 To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
 Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
 For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
 
 -- 
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Everything List" group.
 To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
 Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
 For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
 
 
 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
  

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: Positive AI

['cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List]

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 10:00 PM, Brent Meeker wrote:   
 
 
 On 1/22/2018 4:58 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
  
 
  
Sleep probably serves multiple and also orthogonal functions in animals. I 
agree as well, that on some levels it is a deep mystery.
  
 
  It is death training, perhaps, also.  
 
 Didn't we just discuss a paper showing that one is conscious even while asleep.
   In lucid dream state perhaps. On the other hand if one has no memory or 
recollection of when one was asleep can you really assign consciousness to it? 
Can conscious be truly conscious if it is also inaccessible to the subject of 
said consciuosness?-Chris
 
 Brent
 
 
 Or the building of the illusion we could not be, to build some sense of life, 
the amnesia of other life, to get an identity and preserve it against the 
prey—nature argument per authority ? I am thinking aloud … 
  Bruno 
  
 
 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
  

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: Positive AI

['cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List]

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Brent Meeker wrote:   
 
 
 On 1/16/2018 11:54 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote:
  

 
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 9:19 PM, Brent Meeker  wrote:   
  
 
 On 1/16/2018 8:55 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote:
  
 --What is the craziest AI application you can think of? 
  A machine learned pet translator perhaps... they're actually working on that 
app, Amazon amongst others. So, it seems the big players Google as well, are 
running in that race... think of the potential market of pet owners forking 
over their hard earned money to hear what the Google machine is telling them 
their dog is telling them. I can imagine the marketing folks  dreaming about 
that market. As an aside also a commentary on how out of touch, we humans have 
become from the world in which we exist. People already understand dog language 
:) 
 
 Of course teaching the AI requires lots of training examples, so you will need 
people to translate what their dog is saying to create the training examples.  
Google will probably try to get people to do this online, similar to the way 
they got visual identification training examples.  But the really interesting 
point is that not only do people understand dogs, it's also the case that dogs 
understand people.  So when Google's dog->human translate says, "Fido says the 
mailman is here." will Fido be able to listen to that and say, "Rowf" -> 
"That's right."? 
  Brent
  
  

 We might not want to always hear what our animals are saying about us behind 
our backs... I see a potential law suit hehe  :) 
  I believe, only half joking here... that a training set already exists 
somewhat in the public domain. In the ever growing historical repository 
comprised of all those pet videos uploaded online, and that dataset probably 
contains vast numbers of clips of people trying to understand their  pet 
vocalizations as well as dogs (and to a lesser degree more aloof cats) 
listening intently to what their people are saying. In fact I bet that a 
substantial body of raw video feed exists even for more exotic 
human-other-species interactions... say parrots... tegu lizards perhaps...  
cute little rodents.. gold fish... tarantulas... you name it. A vast body of 
historical feed already exists. 

 
 
 If we use that Google translations will turn all dogs into standup comedians.  
:-)
 
 Brent
 
That would be a case of over-fitting on biased data. 
-Chris

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
  

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: Massive ‘anomaly’ lurks beneath ice in Antarctica

['cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List]

It's my understanding that the real kicker was that (it is hypothesized as an 
effect of the massive global warming) that the oceanic circulation shut down 
and the oceans became largely anoxic and as  result began producing copious 
amounts of hydrogen sulfide (made by anaerobic microorganisms) that poisoned 
the water killing almost all other life both in the water and on land.Hydrogen 
sulfide is a poison for most living things (except the anaerobic microorganisms 
that fart it out of course)

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 3:48 AM, Lawrence 
Crowell wrote:   

On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 6:46:16 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote:
On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 2:16 PM,  wrote:


​> ​Most likely an asteroid that caused the Permian extinction event. AG

​No,​ the eruption of the volcanic Siberian Traps​ most likely caused the​ 
Permian extinction​ 252 million years ago​;​ it was the largest extinction 
event in Earth's history. A​n​ asteroid most likely caused the Cretaceous 
extinction 66 million years ago.

​ ​John K Clark

If I understand correctly the climate change was directly not due to the 
supervolcano in Siberia. The Siberian flats are lava flows that as I recall are 
thought to have ignited peat bogs and lignite layers that released trillions of 
tons of CO_2 into the atmosphere. We humans are in effect engineering a similar 
set of conditions.
LC 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
  

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: Massive ‘anomaly’ lurks beneath ice in Antarctica

['cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List]

If the impactor was big enough the shockwave it generated could have hammered 
right through earth's core focusing its energy on the oppisite side of the 
planet e.g. Siberia triggering the subsequent unimaginably massive episode of 
volcanism. (possibly a latent rising bubble of hot mantle material 
coincidentally was already present beneath the seismic focal point on the 
opposite side of the impact, providing the necessary heat engine that kept that 
hellish event going for as long as it did.)In any case... some compelling 
evidence of earth's own deep cosmic connection.. it's history as well as yet 
one more big impactor site showing that the solar neighborhood can become a 
collision zone... And may do so again. The stability of even the planetary 
orbits is Only meta stable, in the far future even something as seemingly 
eternal as the orbits of planets can become perturbed, by harmonic forces for 
example.-Chris 
 
  On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 7:27 PM, 
agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:   

On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 5:46:16 PM UTC-7, John Clark wrote:
On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 2:16 PM,  wrote:


​> ​Most likely an asteroid that caused the Permian extinction event. AG

​No,​ the eruption of the volcanic Siberian Traps​ most likely caused the​ 
Permian extinction​ 252 million years ago​;​ it was the largest extinction 
event in Earth's history. A​n​ asteroid most likely caused the Cretaceous 
extinction 66 million years ago.

​ ​John K Clark

At that time Antarctica might have been relatively close to Siberia, and a huge 
asteroid impact might have triggered the SIberian eruption. AG

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
  

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: AI

['cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List]

Cupcake, I am fairly well read, in anthropology as well... that's not the issue 
here. 
You don't grasp what the issue here really is, because your simpletons 
worldview is constrained to the tiny little fishbowl that your mind swims.. . 
around and around in going over and over, the same tedious little self 
referential circles. In your limited conception of life and living you're 
compelled to try to make me fit into the fishbowl sized bites which your 
deficient intellect has a capacity to digest.
Just because you survive on a meagerly poor diet of redneck fishfood does not 
mean that there can be no other tasty healthful cuisines in our world. Fishfood 
is not everything there is under the sun, cupcake.
-Chris
 
 
  On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 11:30 AM, spudboy100 via Everything 
List<everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:   So basically you hate what I 
say, and thus, do the ad hominem boogie-which is Joe Leftist mentality to the 
max. I say this so we both get this stated precisely. As Patron Saint Homer 
Simpson might say, "Aw! Cupcakes!"  Keep on keep'in on as you like, because 
human nature is human nature-read anthropology sometime, because it's pretty 
damn explanatory, (or don't). 


-Original Message-
From: 'cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List 
<everything-list@googlegroups.com>
To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Jun 20, 2017 12:54 pm
Subject: Re: AI

The science of anthropology no less! 
Idiocy, such as the offal you serve warm is not somehow transformed into a 
wholesome diet by making a naked appeal to authority, such as you now attempt. 
Your stream of redneck babble, peppered here and there with sciency sounding 
sub phrases remains as distinctly unpleasant and nutritionally worthless as 
before.
Cupcake, when your mind is a fish bowl the whole world must be an aquarium. I 
could point out that by living in this way you will never experience the 
rolling salt spray freedom of the sea, but then your mind is a fish bowl and in 
your pathetically constricted experience of living that translates me as 
being... (you can put your nasty label here)... on the "other" team.
Keep rolling out your dichotomous idiocy... and you will continue to be 
publicly dissected cupcake. 
-Chris
 
 
 On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 1:35 AM, spudboy100 via Everything 
List<everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:  It's how the science of 
anthropology breaks it down. The people we side with, identify with, the flaws 
on our own teams that we ignore. It's all a part of being a primate, speaking 
of monkeys and their asses. Your dems will play things to the max, because, 
again, it's good for team spirit, and might just win them back to power. Having 
said this, the more my team exhibits passive behavior, the more the dem side 
will take it as a sign of weakness. Notice that we are way beneath public 
policy arguments. both Darwin and BF Skinner would have mapped all this out in 
a few seconds. This is the world that we must live in, and the tune we must all 
dance to. All I did was raise a single voice to the Don blather here started 
not by myself, and whole! We all do the invective boogie. Liberals do demand 
obedience vehemently, and go ape shit when others do not obey. Again, 
anthropology. 

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail


-----Original Message-
From: 'cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List 
<everything-list@googlegroups.com>
To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Jun 20, 2017 03:07 AM
Subject: Re: AI


Dude, what's it with you and "teams"... are you some kind of social insect... 
channeling the hive mind? My team, your team... cupcake, the fishbowl you call 
thinking is about as thoughtful as a monkey biting its ass.
 
 
 On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 11:46 PM, spudboy100 via Everything 
List<everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:  I dunno, I read quite a bit, and 
do read the main palp that is put forth by your Media. The truth, as such, is 
sometimes a moving target, if one applies cause and effect to problems As I see 
it now, there's nothing your party can offer anyone outside its ideology (which 
is increasingly extreme to the max) that would interest or benefit the rest of 
us. This is, and was, the Obama domestic legacy. Bernie is no better, as of 
today, and makes Obama look considerate, in comparison. If history teaches us 
anything, your team will go increasingly, violent, until they have a Kent State 
moment (I know a women who was a student there, and watched the shootings 
occur), and then back off actions and propaganda for a little while. Just 
saying, that passivity will probably not be in keeping with whatever your team 
leadership, or rank and file tries. I'm not a betting man, but...


-Original Message-
From: 'cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List 
<everything-list@googlegroups.com>
To: everything-list <everything-l

Re: AI

['cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List]

The science of anthropology no less! 
Idiocy, such as the offal you serve warm is not somehow transformed into a 
wholesome diet by making a naked appeal to authority, such as you now attempt. 
Your stream of redneck babble, peppered here and there with sciency sounding 
sub phrases remains as distinctly unpleasant and nutritionally worthless as 
before.
Cupcake, when your mind is a fish bowl the whole world must be an aquarium. I 
could point out that by living in this way you will never experience the 
rolling salt spray freedom of the sea, but then your mind is a fish bowl and in 
your pathetically constricted experience of living that translates me as 
being... (you can put your nasty label here)... on the "other" team.
Keep rolling out your dichotomous idiocy... and you will continue to be 
publicly dissected cupcake. 
-Chris
 
 
  On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 1:35 AM, spudboy100 via Everything 
List<everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:   It's how the science of 
anthropology breaks it down. The people we side with, identify with, the flaws 
on our own teams that we ignore. It's all a part of being a primate, speaking 
of monkeys and their asses. Your dems will play things to the max, because, 
again, it's good for team spirit, and might just win them back to power. Having 
said this, the more my team exhibits passive behavior, the more the dem side 
will take it as a sign of weakness. Notice that we are way beneath public 
policy arguments. both Darwin and BF Skinner would have mapped all this out in 
a few seconds. This is the world that we must live in, and the tune we must all 
dance to. All I did was raise a single voice to the Don blather here started 
not by myself, and whole! We all do the invective boogie. Liberals do demand 
obedience vehemently, and go ape shit when others do not obey. Again, 
anthropology. 

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail


-Original Message-
From: 'cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List 
<everything-list@googlegroups.com>
To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Jun 20, 2017 03:07 AM
Subject: Re: AI


Dude, what's it with you and "teams"... are you some kind of social insect... 
channeling the hive mind? My team, your team... cupcake, the fishbowl you call 
thinking is about as thoughtful as a monkey biting its ass.
 
 
 On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 11:46 PM, spudboy100 via Everything 
List<everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:  I dunno, I read quite a bit, and 
do read the main palp that is put forth by your Media. The truth, as such, is 
sometimes a moving target, if one applies cause and effect to problems As I see 
it now, there's nothing your party can offer anyone outside its ideology (which 
is increasingly extreme to the max) that would interest or benefit the rest of 
us. This is, and was, the Obama domestic legacy. Bernie is no better, as of 
today, and makes Obama look considerate, in comparison. If history teaches us 
anything, your team will go increasingly, violent, until they have a Kent State 
moment (I know a women who was a student there, and watched the shootings 
occur), and then back off actions and propaganda for a little while. Just 
saying, that passivity will probably not be in keeping with whatever your team 
leadership, or rank and file tries. I'm not a betting man, but...


-----Original Message-
From: 'cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List 
<everything-list@googlegroups.com>
To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Jun 20, 2017 1:55 am
Subject: Re: AI

No worries, not interested in anything you could possibly be cooking up in that 
Redneck kitchen of yours. It's not the heat so much as the total lack of any 
nutritional value, in the gruel you mistake for food. 
 
 On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:24 PM, spudboy100 via Everything 
List<everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:  And all I did originally, was to 
respond the insertion, by yourself, of doing a jibe at Don, when blathering 
about AI. But its true what Harry Truman said, If you can't take the heat, get 
out of the kitchen. Understandable. 


-Original Message-
From: 'cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List 
<everything-list@googlegroups.com>
To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Jun 20, 2017 12:33 am
Subject: Re: AI

Cupcake... Life... is not some kind of team spectator sport. As I said before 
descending down into your particular stupid does not appeal nor does it rise to 
the level of being sport for me... rather it is more a dull tedium I engage in 
with you, driven by a vestigal remaining sense of my civic duty. You may just 
be a basement poser... an unimportant pawn... just another no nothing, as well 
as being, more than a bit of a bore!
But, we live in interesting times and in times such as these crazy can crawl 
out of the box the sane people of the world keep it in and then crazy shit 
does hap

Re: AI

['cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List]

Dude, what's it with you and "teams"... are you some kind of social insect... 
channeling the hive mind? My team, your team... cupcake, the fishbowl you call 
thinking is about as thoughtful as a monkey biting its ass.
 
 
  On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 11:46 PM, spudboy100 via Everything 
List<everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:   I dunno, I read quite a bit, 
and do read the main palp that is put forth by your Media. The truth, as such, 
is sometimes a moving target, if one applies cause and effect to problems As I 
see it now, there's nothing your party can offer anyone outside its ideology 
(which is increasingly extreme to the max) that would interest or benefit the 
rest of us. This is, and was, the Obama domestic legacy. Bernie is no better, 
as of today, and makes Obama look considerate, in comparison. If history 
teaches us anything, your team will go increasingly, violent, until they have a 
Kent State moment (I know a women who was a student there, and watched the 
shootings occur), and then back off actions and propaganda for a little while. 
Just saying, that passivity will probably not be in keeping with whatever your 
team leadership, or rank and file tries. I'm not a betting man, but...


-Original Message-
From: 'cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List 
<everything-list@googlegroups.com>
To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Jun 20, 2017 1:55 am
Subject: Re: AI

No worries, not interested in anything you could possibly be cooking up in that 
Redneck kitchen of yours. It's not the heat so much as the total lack of any 
nutritional value, in the gruel you mistake for food. 
 
 On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:24 PM, spudboy100 via Everything 
List<everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:  And all I did originally, was to 
respond the insertion, by yourself, of doing a jibe at Don, when blathering 
about AI. But its true what Harry Truman said, If you can't take the heat, get 
out of the kitchen. Understandable. 


-Original Message-----
From: 'cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List 
<everything-list@googlegroups.com>
To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Jun 20, 2017 12:33 am
Subject: Re: AI

Cupcake... Life... is not some kind of team spectator sport. As I said before 
descending down into your particular stupid does not appeal nor does it rise to 
the level of being sport for me... rather it is more a dull tedium I engage in 
with you, driven by a vestigal remaining sense of my civic duty. You may just 
be a basement poser... an unimportant pawn... just another no nothing, as well 
as being, more than a bit of a bore!
But, we live in interesting times and in times such as these crazy can crawl 
out of the box the sane people of the world keep it in and then crazy shit 
does happen. Crazy is a box I'd personally rather see kept firmly shut. So when 
I see crazyness like yours, cross my inbox I'm going to pour ice all over your 
Redneck wet dreams cupcake.
End transmission.-Chris 
 
 On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 9:01 PM, spudboy100 via Everything 
List<everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:  Chris its your team, own it. No 
'rise' is necessary since we are dealing with facts. Dems are good with antifa, 
as foot soldiers, dems were so-so with the shooter. The tea baggers never 
killed anyone, and the Evergreen academics that populate all campuses now, do 
indulge in aggression, as long as the target is the rest of us. Things may cool 
down, but this is unlikely as the Party has dedicated itself toward coup de 
tat' as a policy. My question is how big will the back-reaction (optical 
physics term) from my side will be? If we're passive, your team wins, if we're 
belligerent, we win, again.  


-----Original Message-----
From: 'cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List 
<everything-list@googlegroups.com>
To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Jun 19, 2017 11:33 pm
Subject: Re: AI

Hold it right there, cupcake, you're not drawing me into the spin cycle of the 
particlar bubble of stupid you elect to inhabit. Those aren't my people, in 
precisely the same way and for the same reasons that you spudboy (whatever your 
name is)... an individual who appears to me to demostrate a border line 
personality, havig a fragile grasp on reality, who is luridly gun violence 
obsessed, and a questionably psychotc individual... yout too cupcake, are also 
not my people. I find the entire bunch of you unthinking idots, on the right or 
the left... unworthy of respect. I don't take you seriously, at all... least of 
all your quasi religious recital of violence prone Redneck fantasies.
You don't even get a rise out of me anymore cupcake... you are frankly speaking 
mundane, merely commonplace... a rather uninteresting Tea Party talking points 
regurgitator.
You say... "Your people..."  and I am LMFAO 
I guess you can't help being stupid

Re: AI

['cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List]

No worries, not interested in anything you could possibly be cooking up in that 
Redneck kitchen of yours. It's not the heat so much as the total lack of any 
nutritional value, in the gruel you mistake for food. 
 
  On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:24 PM, spudboy100 via Everything 
List<everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:   And all I did originally, was 
to respond the insertion, by yourself, of doing a jibe at Don, when blathering 
about AI. But its true what Harry Truman said, If you can't take the heat, get 
out of the kitchen. Understandable. 


-Original Message-
From: 'cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List 
<everything-list@googlegroups.com>
To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Jun 20, 2017 12:33 am
Subject: Re: AI

Cupcake... Life... is not some kind of team spectator sport. As I said before 
descending down into your particular stupid does not appeal nor does it rise to 
the level of being sport for me... rather it is more a dull tedium I engage in 
with you, driven by a vestigal remaining sense of my civic duty. You may just 
be a basement poser... an unimportant pawn... just another no nothing, as well 
as being, more than a bit of a bore!
But, we live in interesting times and in times such as these crazy can crawl 
out of the box the sane people of the world keep it in and then crazy shit 
does happen. Crazy is a box I'd personally rather see kept firmly shut. So when 
I see crazyness like yours, cross my inbox I'm going to pour ice all over your 
Redneck wet dreams cupcake.
End transmission.-Chris 
 
 On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 9:01 PM, spudboy100 via Everything 
List<everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:  Chris its your team, own it. No 
'rise' is necessary since we are dealing with facts. Dems are good with antifa, 
as foot soldiers, dems were so-so with the shooter. The tea baggers never 
killed anyone, and the Evergreen academics that populate all campuses now, do 
indulge in aggression, as long as the target is the rest of us. Things may cool 
down, but this is unlikely as the Party has dedicated itself toward coup de 
tat' as a policy. My question is how big will the back-reaction (optical 
physics term) from my side will be? If we're passive, your team wins, if we're 
belligerent, we win, again.  


-Original Message-
From: 'cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List 
<everything-list@googlegroups.com>
To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Jun 19, 2017 11:33 pm
Subject: Re: AI

Hold it right there, cupcake, you're not drawing me into the spin cycle of the 
particlar bubble of stupid you elect to inhabit. Those aren't my people, in 
precisely the same way and for the same reasons that you spudboy (whatever your 
name is)... an individual who appears to me to demostrate a border line 
personality, havig a fragile grasp on reality, who is luridly gun violence 
obsessed, and a questionably psychotc individual... yout too cupcake, are also 
not my people. I find the entire bunch of you unthinking idots, on the right or 
the left... unworthy of respect. I don't take you seriously, at all... least of 
all your quasi religious recital of violence prone Redneck fantasies.
You don't even get a rise out of me anymore cupcake... you are frankly speaking 
mundane, merely commonplace... a rather uninteresting Tea Party talking points 
regurgitator.
You say... "Your people..."  and I am LMFAO 
I guess you can't help being stupid, you really shouldn't let it get you so 
worked up and angry though. It's not like getting angry like this makes you any 
smarter.
-Chris

 
 
 On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 7:43 PM, spudboy100 via Everything 
List<everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:  Chris, your shooter, last 
weekend, your antifa rioters, on every campus, your Berkeley, your Evergreen. 
Your team leads in violence and intolerance sweepstakes. But this is the 
chatter of keyboard conflict. Its not income inequality, nor, lack of skills 
but your team's hunger for the glories of a one party state, which incidentally 
are now wholly financed by your billionaires. All that aside I am guessing that 
when the ball drops on Don, we will erupt in a insurgency against your 
establishment. As Darwin said it, "A nature red in tooth and claw." Now 
assuming this passes as plausible, who do you think will win? Will your team be 
able to successfully suppress the narod,  the lumpen proletariat, whom your 
team wants to eliminate? Consider this a purely academic thought experiment. 


-Original Message-
From: 'cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List 
<everything-list@googlegroups.com>
To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Jun 19, 2017 10:17 pm
Subject: Re: AI

@spudboy IMO, you listen to way too much talk radio there cupcake. In order to 
get a firmer grip on reality may I kindly suggest that you widen the circle of 
places you ha

Re: AI

['cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List]

Cupcake... Life... is not some kind of team spectator sport. As I said before 
descending down into your particular stupid does not appeal nor does it rise to 
the level of being sport for me... rather it is more a dull tedium I engage in 
with you, driven by a vestigal remaining sense of my civic duty. You may just 
be a basement poser... an unimportant pawn... just another no nothing, as well 
as being, more than a bit of a bore!
But, we live in interesting times and in times such as these crazy can crawl 
out of the box the sane people of the world keep it in and then crazy shit 
does happen. Crazy is a box I'd personally rather see kept firmly shut. So when 
I see crazyness like yours, cross my inbox I'm going to pour ice all over your 
Redneck wet dreams cupcake.
End transmission.-Chris 
 
  On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 9:01 PM, spudboy100 via Everything 
List<everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:   Chris its your team, own it. No 
'rise' is necessary since we are dealing with facts. Dems are good with antifa, 
as foot soldiers, dems were so-so with the shooter. The tea baggers never 
killed anyone, and the Evergreen academics that populate all campuses now, do 
indulge in aggression, as long as the target is the rest of us. Things may cool 
down, but this is unlikely as the Party has dedicated itself toward coup de 
tat' as a policy. My question is how big will the back-reaction (optical 
physics term) from my side will be? If we're passive, your team wins, if we're 
belligerent, we win, again.  


-Original Message-
From: 'cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List 
<everything-list@googlegroups.com>
To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Jun 19, 2017 11:33 pm
Subject: Re: AI

Hold it right there, cupcake, you're not drawing me into the spin cycle of the 
particlar bubble of stupid you elect to inhabit. Those aren't my people, in 
precisely the same way and for the same reasons that you spudboy (whatever your 
name is)... an individual who appears to me to demostrate a border line 
personality, havig a fragile grasp on reality, who is luridly gun violence 
obsessed, and a questionably psychotc individual... yout too cupcake, are also 
not my people. I find the entire bunch of you unthinking idots, on the right or 
the left... unworthy of respect. I don't take you seriously, at all... least of 
all your quasi religious recital of violence prone Redneck fantasies.
You don't even get a rise out of me anymore cupcake... you are frankly speaking 
mundane, merely commonplace... a rather uninteresting Tea Party talking points 
regurgitator.
You say... "Your people..."  and I am LMFAO 
I guess you can't help being stupid, you really shouldn't let it get you so 
worked up and angry though. It's not like getting angry like this makes you any 
smarter.
-Chris

 
 
 On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 7:43 PM, spudboy100 via Everything 
List<everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:  Chris, your shooter, last 
weekend, your antifa rioters, on every campus, your Berkeley, your Evergreen. 
Your team leads in violence and intolerance sweepstakes. But this is the 
chatter of keyboard conflict. Its not income inequality, nor, lack of skills 
but your team's hunger for the glories of a one party state, which incidentally 
are now wholly financed by your billionaires. All that aside I am guessing that 
when the ball drops on Don, we will erupt in a insurgency against your 
establishment. As Darwin said it, "A nature red in tooth and claw." Now 
assuming this passes as plausible, who do you think will win? Will your team be 
able to successfully suppress the narod,  the lumpen proletariat, whom your 
team wants to eliminate? Consider this a purely academic thought experiment. 


-----Original Message-
From: 'cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List 
<everything-list@googlegroups.com>
To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Jun 19, 2017 10:17 pm
Subject: Re: AI

@spudboy IMO, you listen to way too much talk radio there cupcake. In order to 
get a firmer grip on reality may I kindly suggest that you widen the circle of 
places you habitually go to get your (opinion) news.I left this thread a few 
responses back, and skimming through your semi-literate stream of charged 
polemical and violence prone invective has served as an ample and clear 
confirmation of my original points. You are an angry man, that much is clear, 
possibly because you are a member of the newly marginilized cass of low 
education older white males. Instead of waiting for your Redneck uprising I 
think a more effective use of your time would be to pick up some actual 
marketable skill... you could of course, keep sitting in your basement cleaning 
your guns (does it make you feel like a man?) waiting for that glorious day 
when you and your ilk get to go on a glorious Redneck mass murder spree.
Time will pass you by as you wait for

Re: AI

['cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List]

Hold it right there, cupcake, you're not drawing me into the spin cycle of the 
particlar bubble of stupid you elect to inhabit. Those aren't my people, in 
precisely the same way and for the same reasons that you spudboy (whatever your 
name is)... an individual who appears to me to demostrate a border line 
personality, havig a fragile grasp on reality, who is luridly gun violence 
obsessed, and a questionably psychotc individual... yout too cupcake, are also 
not my people. I find the entire bunch of you unthinking idots, on the right or 
the left... unworthy of respect. I don't take you seriously, at all... least of 
all your quasi religious recital of violence prone Redneck fantasies.
You don't even get a rise out of me anymore cupcake... you are frankly speaking 
mundane, merely commonplace... a rather uninteresting Tea Party talking points 
regurgitator.
You say... "Your people..."  and I am LMFAO 
I guess you can't help being stupid, you really shouldn't let it get you so 
worked up and angry though. It's not like getting angry like this makes you any 
smarter.
-Chris

 
 
  On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 7:43 PM, spudboy100 via Everything 
List<everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:   Chris, your shooter, last 
weekend, your antifa rioters, on every campus, your Berkeley, your Evergreen. 
Your team leads in violence and intolerance sweepstakes. But this is the 
chatter of keyboard conflict. Its not income inequality, nor, lack of skills 
but your team's hunger for the glories of a one party state, which incidentally 
are now wholly financed by your billionaires. All that aside I am guessing that 
when the ball drops on Don, we will erupt in a insurgency against your 
establishment. As Darwin said it, "A nature red in tooth and claw." Now 
assuming this passes as plausible, who do you think will win? Will your team be 
able to successfully suppress the narod,  the lumpen proletariat, whom your 
team wants to eliminate? Consider this a purely academic thought experiment. 


-Original Message-
From: 'cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List 
<everything-list@googlegroups.com>
To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Jun 19, 2017 10:17 pm
Subject: Re: AI

@spudboy IMO, you listen to way too much talk radio there cupcake. In order to 
get a firmer grip on reality may I kindly suggest that you widen the circle of 
places you habitually go to get your (opinion) news.I left this thread a few 
responses back, and skimming through your semi-literate stream of charged 
polemical and violence prone invective has served as an ample and clear 
confirmation of my original points. You are an angry man, that much is clear, 
possibly because you are a member of the newly marginilized cass of low 
education older white males. Instead of waiting for your Redneck uprising I 
think a more effective use of your time would be to pick up some actual 
marketable skill... you could of course, keep sitting in your basement cleaning 
your guns (does it make you feel like a man?) waiting for that glorious day 
when you and your ilk get to go on a glorious Redneck mass murder spree.
Time will pass you by as you wait for your promised day of glorious bloody 
Redneck vengeance, and in the end all that you'll gain is to grow stupid & old, 
encased in a self made tomb of your own assinine bitterness.
As your very own Donald would tweet...
Sad... so sad!
-Chris
 
 
 On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 6:42 PM, spudboy100 via Everything 
List<everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:  Yah, the neat part is your thugs 
will force us into a team, as your leadership did before the last election, to 
their dismay. So the people the Dems hate, will respond in kind and en masse. 
Rule by the antifa party is now way to live, ya know? Venezuelan socialism may 
thrill your team, for the rest of us, we will likely do an insurgency thing 
against your Resistance, so it should be interesting.

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail


-Original Message-
From: Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net>
To: spudboy100 via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Jun 19, 2017 09:32 PM
Subject: Re: AI


 
 
 On 6/19/2017 6:16 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
  
His ideas are stupid only because you filter reality with ideology. Causality 
goes out the window when it comes to liberal narratives, socialist thought, 
group Identity and loyalty. But this struggle isn't one of sweet reason, but 
rather, nature, red in tooth and claw. My question is can you contain our 
insurgency if and when  Don gets impeached? 
 
 Are you going to join an insurgency against the U.S. government to prevent The 
Dump from being tried by the Senate/
 
 
Since its really come down to this, can your shooters match our (redneck) 
shooters? 
 
 Well, I was on the NROTC rifle team in Texas.  And I've gone 12 for 12 against 
doves.
 
 
Your guy last weekend was tolerable until h

Re: AI

['cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List]

@spudboy IMO, you listen to way too much talk radio there cupcake. In order to 
get a firmer grip on reality may I kindly suggest that you widen the circle of 
places you habitually go to get your (opinion) news.I left this thread a few 
responses back, and skimming through your semi-literate stream of charged 
polemical and violence prone invective has served as an ample and clear 
confirmation of my original points. You are an angry man, that much is clear, 
possibly because you are a member of the newly marginilized cass of low 
education older white males. Instead of waiting for your Redneck uprising I 
think a more effective use of your time would be to pick up some actual 
marketable skill... you could of course, keep sitting in your basement cleaning 
your guns (does it make you feel like a man?) waiting for that glorious day 
when you and your ilk get to go on a glorious Redneck mass murder spree.
Time will pass you by as you wait for your promised day of glorious bloody 
Redneck vengeance, and in the end all that you'll gain is to grow stupid & old, 
encased in a self made tomb of your own assinine bitterness.
As your very own Donald would tweet...
Sad... so sad!
-Chris
 
 
  On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 6:42 PM, spudboy100 via Everything 
List wrote:   Yah, the neat part is your 
thugs will force us into a team, as your leadership did before the last 
election, to their dismay. So the people the Dems hate, will respond in kind 
and en masse. Rule by the antifa party is now way to live, ya know? Venezuelan 
socialism may thrill your team, for the rest of us, we will likely do an 
insurgency thing against your Resistance, so it should be interesting.

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail


-Original Message-
From: Brent Meeker 
To: spudboy100 via Everything List 
Sent: Mon, Jun 19, 2017 09:32 PM
Subject: Re: AI


 
 
 On 6/19/2017 6:16 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
  
His ideas are stupid only because you filter reality with ideology. Causality 
goes out the window when it comes to liberal narratives, socialist thought, 
group Identity and loyalty. But this struggle isn't one of sweet reason, but 
rather, nature, red in tooth and claw. My question is can you contain our 
insurgency if and when  Don gets impeached? 
 
 Are you going to join an insurgency against the U.S. government to prevent The 
Dump from being tried by the Senate/
 
 
Since its really come down to this, can your shooters match our (redneck) 
shooters? 
 
 Well, I was on the NROTC rifle team in Texas.  And I've gone 12 for 12 against 
doves.
 
 
Your guy last weekend was tolerable until he had to go against the capitol 
police. Nobody yet from our team has challenged your antifa crew, as yet. Let 
me me know.
 
 
 Maybe that's because you have no "team".
 
 Brent
 
 

 Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Brent Meeker 
 To: spudboy100 via Everything List 
 Sent: Mon, Jun 19, 2017 08:26 PM
 Subject: Re: AI
 
 
   
 
 On 6/19/2017 4:58 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
  
It's not Don's brains, who has more than either of us, 
 
 Don's brains have more what?  Stupid ideas...I'd agree with that.
 
 
it's the opposition. You guys, the antifa (see spot riot, see spot shoot!). 
There was now an announcement at the U of Georgia socialists proclaiming  that 
calls for beheading a republican. 
 
 Do you ever think of actually giving references.  I know it's troublesome to 
write actual facts.  But until you figure out how, put a spud in it.
 
 Brent
 -- 
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Everything List" group.
 To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
 Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
 For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
   -- 
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Everything List" group.
 To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
 Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
 For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
 
 
 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.


-- 

Re: “Could a Quantum Computer Have Subjective Experience?”

['cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List]

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Kim Jones wrote:   
> Jun 2017, at 12:15 pm, Bruce Kellett  wrote:
> 
> That sounds remarkably like the "many minds" interpretation of quantum 
> mechanics. This is disfavoured by most scientists because it leaves the 
> physics of the billions of years before the emergence of the first 
> "conscious" creature unresolved -- the first consciousness would cause an 
> almighty collapse on the many minds reading.
> 
> Bruce


How do these scientists know for sure that conscious creatures didn't evolve 
elsewhere before the Earth? How can we be sure that conscious observers have 
been around since "the beginning"...

Kim
I would further point out: How do we know that the primary mover of everything 
does not itself depend upon the emergence of primal consciousness within its 
own dawning awareness... that is drawing infinite histories out of nothing.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.  

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: AI

['cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List]

Apparently it seems, spudboy is channeling the nutrition feee highly processed 
soundbite sized chunks of invective that passes for strategic analysis on talk 
radio. The reduction of the Art of public discourse to the language and 
intellect of the digital gutter (if such a word as intellect can be used to 
describe this sad facsimile of reasoning)... is a symptom of the vulgarity of 
the times we live in, and in the poverty of our society to think and act with 
maturity.Sad... really... so sad, a spectacle of nihilistic neo-no-nothingism 
(these not so United States, once actually had a No Nothing political party in 
the pre Civil War 1800s, it's kind of a tradition in these parts... bring this 
up to help clarify the tap root of this political tradition, for our 
non-American list members).
American political discourse, especially in the last few decades has slid far 
down the scale from a place of thoughtfulness and considered reasoning rooted 
in facts to truly Goebbellian levels of testosterone infused, fact free, 
shouting matches and the television enhanced spectacle of mud slinging cage 
fights charaterized by the mindless regurgitation of scripted talking points.
As the Donald himself would tweet so sad!
Chris

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 1:22 PM, spudboy100 via Everything 
List wrote:   Oh the AI/political comment on 
Don et all.  

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail


-Original Message-
From: John Clark 
To: everything-list 
Sent: Sun, Jun 18, 2017 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: AI


On Sun, Jun 18, 2017  spudboy100 via Everything List 
 wrote:


​> ​Yeah Obama was terrific at arming with the North Koreans and the Ayatollahs 
with their nuke capabilities (The ayatollahs who Obama wuv'd, do trades with 
the Norks).

​What the hell are you talking about?
John K Clark​ 
 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
  

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: What are atheists for?

['cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List]

 
 
  On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 9:13 AM, John Clark wrote:   

On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Bruno Marchal  wrote:



​​>> ​When 99% of the human species observe the ASCII ​sequence G-O-D  they 
have a clear mental picture of what that sequence represents,

​> ​False! the muslims are required to not have any mental image of the 
Unnameable.

​False! There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world, of them 600 million can 
read, and for every single one of them a mental idea forms when they see the 
squiggle "God", otherwise they wouldn't be able to read, and not one of those 
mental ideas is of the multiplication table. And yet you claim to be  mystified 
why you are misunderstood!  
 John K Clark
Our minds reify not only our sensorial streams -- as the brain manufactures our 
experience of a seemless stable "reality" (thus providing animal life, so 
endowed with an evolutionary advantage) -- but our brains also reify the 
symbolic streams of spoken and written language (plus other systems, such as 
say peano arithmetic etc.).
What we perceive as being our being is that which emerges out from our brains 
vast reification engine of reality. Our own reality, is, within each of us, 
that which our brains have produced -- in a pre-conscious, self-emergent, 
highly chaotic, noisy mental consensus generating process,  of which we are 
mostly blissfully unaware of.
The brain is a fascinating and fantastic reality re-manufacturing network. God 
emerges in each mind reified in the manner in which that mind-net has 
become "learned", and pre-consciously habituated (internally or as a result of 
externally injected cultural beliefs). So much of what we think we think we 
think, is an outcome of pre-conscious habituation. Each of our brains is an 
invisible wizard conjuring up our very own hi fidelity sense of being 
including in this magic trick, each of our own smug sense of ourselves.
-Chris de Morsella 







-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
  

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: What are atheists for?

['cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List]

 
 
  On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 11:16 PM, Kim Jones<kimjo...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:   
On 29 Mar 2017, at 3:32 pm, Stathis Papaioannou <stath...@gmail.com> wrote:



On Wed., 29 Mar. 2017 at 10:30 am, Kim Jones <kimjo...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:









On 29 Mar 2017, at 10:22 am, 'cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List 
<everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:


Couldn't an athiest instead be open to, for example, a mathematical foundation 
from which that which we perceive as being matter emerges?

Sure - but then they wouldn't need to identify with atheism. They could just 
call themselves - wait for it - "mathematicians".

But if they are asked if they believe in Zeus or Yahweh or Krishna and they say 
"no", then they are atheists.


If I say that I do not believe that rap "music" is real music does that make me 
unmusical?
Hard, even impossible perhaps, to say anything about anything, with absolute 
certainty... but it does suggest your mind is closed to rap music (sans the 
gratuitous quotes you elected to color the word usage with)
-Chris
K










-- 
Stathis Papaioannou

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.



-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
  

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: What are atheists for?

['cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List]

And... drum role...That is your belief... is it not?
Atheists do not necessarily believe in a fundamental realness of matter, though 
many do. Can you show me any dogma which is univesally believed in by athiests 
that - on faith -- asserts the hypothesis of some fundamental material 
foundation for reality? 
Couldn't an athiest instead be open to, for example, a mathematical foundation 
from which that which we perceive as being matter emerges?
I fail to see any a priori reason for which this could not be the case?
Chris 
 
  On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Kim Jones wrote:   
Atheists have no special function or any special beliefs. They are a religion 
like any other. They believe in God's non-existence, that's all. They reject 
the notion of an immaterial "prima materia" because that appears to them 
self-contradictory and instead put a thing called "Matter" on the same pedestal 
and worship that instead. It's merely a fashionable alternative to the 
Abrahamic sky-fairy concept but has no particular virtues I am aware of other 
than that

Kim


> On 26 Mar 2017, at 3:11 am, Evgenii Rudnyi  wrote:
> 
> Dominic Johnson
> What are atheists for? Hypotheses on the functions of non-belief in the 
> evolution of religion
> Religion, Brain & Behavior
> Vol. 2, No. 1, February 2012, 48-99
> 
> http://dominicdpjohnson.com/publications/pdf/2012JohnsonWhatAreAtheistsFor.pdf
> 
> "An explosion of recent research suggests that religious beliefs and 
> behaviors are universal, arise from deep-seated cognitive mechanisms, and 
> were favored by natural selection over human evolutionary history. However, 
> if a propensity towards religious beliefs is a fundamental characteristic of 
> human brains (as both by-product theorists and adaptationists agree), and/or 
> an important ingredient of Darwinian fitness (as adaptationists argue), then 
> how do we explain the existence
> and prevalence of atheists - even among ancient and traditional societies?"
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Everything List" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.  

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: musings on time

['cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List]

  
 -- Original message-- From: Bruno Marchal Date: Mon, 7/25/2016 7:31 AM On 25 Jul 2016, at 01:45, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote:Hey it’s been a while… been following some discussions from time to time, lurking I guess….without further ado this is what I am musing on – today at least --  in the form of a poem. Time a Musing Time, this tapestry upon which the stories of the universe are written.This weave, spun from dancing kaleidoscope threadsGiving us our view of the world, but whose cloth, yet.. has always been.This chaotic wave of emerging reality sweeping all in the foamy curl of collapsing superposition.Fixing in time, becoming written, juxtaposed, interpolated, incorporatedIn the mind… reifying each moment just lived, (as it dawns on us) into our living stories, our edifices of memories, convictions, dreams, hopes and fears as well. Each moment perceived an inner splash… with all the follow on repercussions!The private inner narrative of our minds -- that which we sense as being ourselves – itself emerges from this complex roiling sea of interactionsAppearing within us out from the mist of this reified stream of perceived instants, clanging about in the chatty electric circus of the brain, engaging in a loud shouting match with what just happened.Out of this noise of introspection, argument and emergent consensus, events become sown into ourselves, becoming assumed and adopted through interaction with our inner prisms.Our voice, speaking the narrative of our mind’s inner reflections on life… on time… is itself like an afterglow.Each moment becoming the next, gone before the experience of the former has happened… we are propelled forward in time. Time itself may not exist (maybe?), but the experience of time very much does.Perhaps… it is our introspective theater of and reflection on our experience that, in the end, is the meaning and purpose of time itself.Time… how the universe engages in thinking about itself.  Cheers… and be nice to each other… from time to time.Thank you Chris. Marvelous poem. It might use some implicitly physicalist formulations though but we can't comment a poem 'course:)
 
Thank you Bruno... it was an afternoon's musing :)
I freely confess I have no certainty to know what underpins everything, whether it's on some level "turtles all the way down"... or instead, as I find more ethsetic, the quantum instability of nothing itself making everything probable! 
Of course "time" and "experience of time" are very different. The first one is an "illusion" (in relativity theory, or GR), the second one can hardly be an illusion (a point of disagreement between me and ... salvia (!)).
 
I also find it exceedingly hard to imagine a meaningful existence without causality! 
 
Could time be how we experience our subjective perspective's trajectory in a branching multiverse? 
Assuming MWI each of us is a branching cause-effect path of quantum choices fixed in fuzzy moments... but all paths exist (in the massively branching multiverse)
I feel as if time is like Hansel's pebbles (Hanse & Gretel) ... it serves to connect our experiential now with our reflective recollection of what we were and the where of how we got here without which we lose identity.
Time is tightly coupled  and inseparable from causality. It emerges manifest from  perhaps  infinite loci of the infinite branching of everything... again assuming MWI.
Is time, a cosmic accounting trick to entangle us all in the spider web of causality that is necessary and central to our emergent self-meaning? 
A quick comment re your disagreement with Salvia... could Salvia be saying to you that time/causality are on some level training wheels? (Necessary for us, yet not necessarily fundamental to all being)
- Chris 
PS (that was a nice series, will check the utube link out as well) 
 
BTW the "PBS Space Time" series is very good on the "illusion" of energy/mass, space and time). Even if physicalist by default too.For example: "When time breaks down" (and others): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GguAN1_JouQ

Bruno -Chris-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ 

 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit 

Re: Re: Do they or don't they exist? Is anyone familiar with this paper?

['cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List]

And what of the singularity theorized as the initial state of the Big Bang?-- Original message-- From:LizRDate:Wed, 9/24/2014 5:21 PMTo:everything-list@googlegroups.com;Subject:Re: Do they or don't they exist? Is anyone familiar with this paper?This appears to be saying that all the Hawking radiation that would be emitted by a BH over its lifetime actually comes out in one huge burst before the BH can finish collapsing. That would surely affect the characteristics of supernovae in which BHs are thought to form? ... The entire mass of the BH coming out as radiation???Also, what's at the centre of our galaxy. and others?On 25 September 2014 11:44, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything Listeverything-list@googlegroups.com wrote:Read more at:Researcher shows that black holes do not existResearcher shows that black holes do not existBlack holes have long captured the public imagination and been the subject of popular culture, from Star Trek to Hollywood. They are the ultimate unknown  the blac...View onphys.orgPreview by Yahoo



-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email toeverything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email toeverything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/d/optout.




-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email toeverything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email toeverything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/d/optout.





-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: Re: American Intelligence

['cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List]

-- Original message-- From:spudboy100 via Everything List Date:Fri, 7/4/2014 1:27 PMTo:everything-list@googlegroups.com;Subject:Re: American IntelligenceIts a real threat, and its something that you don't wish to hear about. The flow of power in the US, may indeed go solidly in favor of Mama Clinton as Prez. I am not quite such an optimist as to think otherwise. However, with time and effects, things can turn around for the US. Because of the weakness, a deliberate weakness by your guy, Barry, I suspect some sort of super-attack to happen before 2016, simply based on what went on before. From such an event, I would expect that even your class-compatriots, who take SNAP cards, and super-extended unemployment checks, to have their shit messed with. We shall see if and when this spasm occurs, if at all? If you're so happy with the jihad lands, why not go live there?





You seem not much more substantial than a string of worn out cliches strung together into a stream of unending vitriol. 


 Sometimes I suspect you just might be a bot.





You seem pathologically unable to let go of this neocon inseminated notion that has become rooted in your brain that we are facing an imminent existential threat from a monolithic Islamist unified command  this Caliphate you love to bandy about.



 





 





 





-Original Message-

From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com

To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com

Sent: Fri, Jul 4, 2014 1:14 pm

Subject: RE: American Intelligence























From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] 

Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 9:37 AM

To: everything-list@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: American Intelligence







I just recognize and sort of respect that other people think differently, then myself. Sometimes, we are offered Manichean choices, rather than indicate that its a personal, American flaw. Its not always an American flaw based on a corrupt, vile, greedy, capitalist system, though in some cases, such as slavery, the war against native Americans, our bigotries, it surely was this. Like, the late George Carlin once said, The founders signed the Constitution, and then went home and f***ed their slaves. Agreed, yet, only if one is an ideologist, can one blame the US as eviler then normal, then the massacres done by Native Americans against each other, the South Asians, the East Asians, the Europeans, and Africans. Researchers have forensic science applied to archeology to uncover who died and then why? The US has done evil, but then so has everyone else. Leftists today ignore when Muslims massacre each other, because that distracts from the real narrative; the Americans, the Europeans, who are the true enemy! Of course 911 was an evil Bushie plot! Because, to say otherwise also detracts from the 'social narrative. Thus, the Islamists become friends, and fellow travelers.







You seem pathologically unable to let go of this neocon inseminated notion that has become rooted in your brain that we are facing an imminent existential threat from a monolithic Islamist unified command  this Caliphate you love to bandy about.



The world is far more nuanced and complex than the Manichean rendition that exists in your brain. When others do not fall into line with your own peculiar ill-informed views you brand them as enemies of America. I would not much care about your disease where it not for how much this unintelligent world view has already cost this country and the countries we trashed in the grips of this particular madness  half a million or more dead Iraqis, thousands of Americans killed (and hundreds of thousands with their lives ruined  by blast wounds -- who will continue to cost our country a river of dollars, in long term medical and social expenditures). An insane neocon sickness that has already burned through a few trillions of dollars that could have been much more wisely invested in more fruitful areas that would have actually made America stronger and more prosperous  and much better prepared to face the future  than it is now.



The only reason I care about your mental affliction is because you suffer from a disease that has already demonstrated how virulent and dangerous it can be. Because of the sickness you suffer this country has been significantly weakened.



It is my patriotic duty (today is the 4rth after all) to see that insane nuts like you are kept from getting back into the corridors of power. Neocon chickenhawks, sharing your same sick world view have already weakened America far more than any Islamist could have ever dreamed of doing. I  and millions of other Americans  stand in your way we will not let cowards like you send others off to die.



Go do the dying yourself crusader. No one is stopping you.



Chris















Just because you have a pathological need to divide the world into two 

RE: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate.

['Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List]

 

 

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com
[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 1:01 AM

 

On 24 Apr 2014, at 19:18, 'Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via
Everything List wrote:





 

 

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com
[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 8:23 AM

 

On 22 Apr 2014, at 05:27, 'Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via
Everything List wrote:






At some level, there is only that, which is personally experienced... each
has to know God on their own, by their own way, in their own heart. No one
can - beyond, perhaps pointing out the way to some extent -- teach or lead
anyone down this path. A spiritual quest is quintessentially a personal
quest.

 

Yes, truth is in our head, and with comp, it means we can also search it
in the head of any (reasonable) machine.

 

Agreed... assuming we are reasonable machines though J but what if we are
insane machines - for the sake of discussion - wouldn't this effect the
outcome of our studying our heads and how we perceive our machines as
operating and the reductionist first principles we derive from our search
for a fundamental basis for memory, conscious thought, awareness,
self-awareness, etc?

 

 

Certainly. We can only hope to be correct/sane, or at least that by
introspection we can access to the part of us which is correct.

Of course, to derive physics, we can limit ourselves to Platonist, correct,
self-introspective machine.

 

Agreed... and I certainly do hope that the emergent self-aware consciousness
i am able to discover through introspective means is somewhere within the
bell curve of correct/sane... we can access experience as it emerges (both
ordinary and altered), perhaps touch it in some manner... and it may certainly
feel right to us immersed within the experience stream (instream in C++
J). 

I am interested in understanding better what you mean by Platonist,
correct, self-introspective machine; is it the internal self-consistency of
mathematical structures  systems? Then, yes, I do see how it could be
possible to build upon the simplest non reducible set and derive everything
else; including the part that is now perceiving in me and trying to find the
words... J to express this.

 





I guess the point I am trying to make is that we only have a single sample -
our own experiential stream of consciousness - and what we can infer about
other entities by communicating with those that can communicate and studying
the behavior of others.

Perhaps this is enough to give us a basis on which to formulate a
generalized hypothesis - as I believe you seek to do.

 

I think we can start from the generalized hypothesis. If the doctor has
chosen the right substitution level, the correctness will be reduce to the
arithmetical correctness, so as long as you don't believe that 0=1, there
should be no problem.

 

Not sure what you mean by the doctor? and also by substitution level?
(reductionism?) 

 

 

The arithmetical hypostases are really coming from the study of the ideally
correct machines, for the purpose of explaining constructively the belief in
a physical universe, and the ideal theology of the machine. But when a
machine is embedded in a long computation, it will develop a non-monotonic
layer, and other logic (more like relevance logic) are at play. I don't
think they play a role in physics, but they do play a big role in the
everyday concrete lives.

 

But then perhaps even God unself  (if i may) is emergent from mathematical
entities in a long running infinitely deep recursive parallelized
self-reflective and therefore auto-catalyzing process. If everything is
information... or perhaps more precisely dynamic informatique entities and
layer upon layer of emergent entities (in the way that water is emergent...
many of its unique properties not manifest in either hydrogen of oxygen
atoms, but only emergent as the molecule H2O) 



 

Spiritual quest is personal, but yet, might concern everybody. 

 

 

Very true... and it might also be said that the growth of one is the growth of
all.. as the suffering of one is the suffering of all, but I have no proof
of this statement LOL

 

Some buddhist said that it is enough that one man is enlightened for all men
being enlightened, and some bodhisattva said that the genuine bodhisattva
will go to heaven only after every one has. 

Of course this leads to some problems in case there are two bodhisattvas,
but buddhism is not afraid of those little technical difficulties. It can
even cultivate them, to help people not taking them too much literally, like
with the zen koans.

 

 

Many classical zen masters also had the habit of slapping or striking a monk
foolish enough to ask a dumb question... don't know about you, but being
struck does not bring out my enlightened side... Personally I have always
enjoyed zen and the irreverence it manifests

Re: anyone super-geek here?

['Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List]

I looked at it a while back and of the various open source cloud initiatives it 
looks like the one best positioned to succeed also because it is heavily backed 
by Rackspace -- a large hosting, col-location service based out of Texas. 
My advice though, whatever cloud solution you go with would be to try as much 
as possible to abstract the specific bridge code behind an opaque interface 
that cleanly separates it from bleeding out into other code. 
This will help to isolate this layer from other layers in your code. In general 
an extra layer of indirection is almost always worth it if it can decouple 
responsibilities and functions. Clean separation is one of the keys to managing 
mushrooming complexity as code grows and evolves over time.



 From: ghib...@gmail.com ghib...@gmail.com
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: anyone super-geek here?
 



On Monday, April 28, 2014 3:43:35 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, off topic, but I need to throw a few things onto the cloud, and it's 
important to get package right. So can anyone answer...is it OpenStack ? No 
need to answer unless you feel you have serious amounts of exposure  
 
That could have conveyed a message I didn't intend. All I meant was I've got 
engineers..it just occurred to me the list might have super-genius experts. I 
don't want to end up with an infrastructure that isn't going to keep up,. 
OpenStack looks good though.
-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
Everything List group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
Everything List group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

RE: The Evolutionary Tree of Religion

['Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List]

 

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com
[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Telmo Menezes

 

http://infinitemachine.tumblr.com/image/83867790181

 

A nice weekend to everyone!

 

Nice graph; that gives a refreshing perspective on religion. as a human
evolution of cultural behavior and norms, similar to say how language has a
nice tree going back in time.

Chris

 

Telmo..

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
Everything List group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

RE: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate.

['Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List]

 

 

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com
[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 8:23 AM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate.

 

 

On 22 Apr 2014, at 05:27, 'Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via
Everything List wrote:





At some level, there is only that, which is personally experienced... each
has to know God on their own, by their own way, in their own heart. No one
can - beyond, perhaps pointing out the way to some extent -- teach or lead
anyone down this path. A spiritual quest is quintessentially a personal
quest.

 

Yes, truth is in our head, and with comp, it means we can also search it
in the head of any (reasonable) machine.

 

Agreed... assuming we are reasonable machines though J but what if we are
insane machines - for the sake of discussion - wouldn't this effect the
outcome of our studying our heads and how we perceive our machines as
operating and the reductionist first principles we derive from our search
for a fundamental basis for memory, conscious thought, awareness,
self-awareness, etc?

I guess the point I am trying to make is that we only have a single sample -
our own experiential stream of consciousness - and what we can infer about
other entities by communicating with those that can communicate and studying
the behavior of others.

Perhaps this is enough to give us a basis on which to formulate a
generalized hypothesis - as I believe you seek to do.

 

 

Spiritual quest is personal, but yet, might concern everybody. 

 

 

Very true... and it might also be said that the growth of one is the growth of
all.. as the suffering of one is the suffering of all, but I have no proof
of this statement LOL

 

Some buddhist said that it is enough that one man is enlightened for all men
being enlightened, and some bodhisattva said that the genuine bodhisattva
will go to heaven only after every one has. 

Of course this leads to some problems in case there are two bodhisattvas,
but buddhism is not afraid of those little technical difficulties. It can
even cultivate them, to help people not taking them too much literally, like
with the zen koans.

 

Spiritual quest is personal, but the result are often described as
anti-personal, like killing the ego, merging with the one, becoming
god, realizing the unity/unicity of consciousness, etc.

 

Perhaps... though I believe that is not the best perspective. It is not so
much about killing the ego - I would argue -- as was famously said during
the early days of the psychedelic movement -- (which is a kind of
egotistical thing to do grin); rather I have come to feel it is about
understanding the ego and it's place.  Seeing what its role is in
existence and what its purpose is and why we have these self-important egos,
and what these entities are, how they operate etc. 

Once the ego is perceived - from a perspective outside of the ego, and the
deeper (perhaps one more level of inner reflection going on) entity that
perceives the ego for what it is makes sense of this layer of personality
the ego and it's purpose can be better understood and the individual may
come to realize that there exists a transcendent i (maybe less personal
and more universally centered) and perhaps there is belly laughter as the
ego's many foibles and funnies becomes manifest.

But is it really against the ego? Isn't rather seeing the ego more clearly
for what it is?

 

Love also is personal, and cannot be enforced. There are many things like
that. 

 

 

Agreed

 

The definition by Theaetetus of the notion of knowledge, when applied to
Gödel's arithmetical provability predicate ([]A), and its intensional
variants, suggests many such annuli, where truth not only extends the
machines abilities to communicate rationally, but where the attempts to
communicate them only forces or builds the counter-example(*). 

 

The notion of god maximizes the gap between use and mention. Somehow, it
looks like only the devil dares the mention of god, especially in normative
statements. With comp god is creative and god is destructive.

 

Lao-tseu seems right: the foolish talks, the wise stays mute.

 

Lao-Tseu wrote many words of wisdom and poetry.

 

Sound rich machines say already something similar: t - ~[]t.(t =
~[]f )

 

Bruno

 

(*) There are three important most obvious annuli: G* \ G,   Z* \ Z,   and
X* \ X,   

and their computationalist 1 variants (with p - []p for the atomic
sentences). 

Amazingly, for knowledge itself, the annuli is empty: S4Grz* \ S4Grz is
empty (and S4Grz1* \ S4Grz1 too).

 

 

I need to learn the symbolic system you are using to express yourself. Maybe
once I get through reading your book ;)

Cheers,

Chris

 

 

http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/

 

 

 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
Everything List group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

RE: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

['Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List]

 

 

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com
[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 9:26 AM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

 

 

On 23 Apr 2014, at 13:08, LizR wrote:





On 23 April 2014 22:29, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:

Hi Liz,

 

The billions make sense to me, to be honest. Even before the earth, we
still didn't exist. It sounds like poetic liberty for a mind blowing amount
of time.

 

Sure, but I think at the time millions of years was a mind-blowing amount
of time - actually it still is - and it would appear the comment doesn't
have any known source. So although I'd be happily proved wrong on this, it
just feels a bit anachronistic for Samuel Clemens. Maybe just my personal
bias.

 

 Samuel Clemens? Was is not Mark Twain? I missed a post perhaps.

 

Mark Twain was the pen name of the author Samuel Clemens - so one and the
same.

 

Do someone know the estimate of the age of the universe at the time of Mark
Twain? Einstein though it was infinite, and I thought that many physicists
(including believer in Big Bang(s)) don't exclude that.

 

Didn't most people still subscribe to that English or Scottish Bishops
calculation based on bible verse that concluded the earth and the universe
was some 6000 or so years ago in 4400 BC? There are far too many, in this
country at least - who still do believe in this fairy tale.

Chris

 

(And if we are digital machine, we have to take *all* true sigma_1
sentences, not just the e^iH, and their linear superpositions, and that is
*very* big).

 

cf 

On 23 April 2014 11:37, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:



 

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions
and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest
inconvenience from it.'
--- Mark Twain

 





 

 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
Everything List group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

 

http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/

 

 

 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
Everything List group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
Everything List group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

RE: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

['Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List]

 

 

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com
[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 2:09 PM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

 

On 4/23/2014 9:49 AM, 'Chris de Morsella  mailto:cdemorse...@yahoo.com
cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List wrote:

Do someone know the estimate of the age of the universe at the time of Mark
Twain? Einstein though it was infinite, and I thought that many physicists
(including believer in Big Bang(s)) don't exclude that.

 

Didn't most people still subscribe to that English or Scottish Bishops
calculation based on bible verse that concluded the earth and the universe
was some 6000 or so years ago in 4400 BC? There are far too many, in this
country at least - who still do believe in this fairy tale.

Chris


In the late 1800's William Thompson (Lord Kelvin) estimated the age of the
Sun and he finally settled on a value of 20 to 40 million years.  This was
based on gravitational energy - nuclear fusion was unknown.  Darwin noted
that this was to short a time for evolution to have taken place, and so in a
sense Darwin used an anthropic inference to postulate nuclear energy.  Twain
would have known Thompson's estimate and so might have said millions based
on it.  But, aside from the Abrahamic superstitions, educated people like
Twain generally assumed the universe was static and eternal.  In which case
he might well have said billions.

 

It was 1897 when he formulated that age estimate - so technically still in
the 1800's by a thin margin. Amazing that so recently (1897 is just a mere
117 years ago) our knowledge of our universe was still so limited. Mark
Twain -- aka Samuel Clemens - was quite a free thinker from what I have
learned of his life and work, so I would not be surprised in the least, if
he thought along the lines you suggest. 

The average person of that era was probably more likely to believe in the
Abrahamic fairy tale of the universe - again this is an opinion I have not
done the research.

Chris

 

 



Brent

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
Everything List group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
Everything List group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

RE: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate.

['Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List]

-Original Message-
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com

Understood, but China is not pursuing a policy of eliminating AGW, but 
reducing smog in its cities. Its not a kumbaya  moment now for anything 
nowbin east asia as you hsve noticed, regarding china. The best way then to 
reduce carbon emissions is to develop clean energy generators, that can be 
installed quickly, reliably, abundantly, and china will follow, because it 
will be cleaner then coal, and quicker and cheaper thsn nukes. But it must be 
available to buy or steal from us, so if the chinese do this, it will help us 
never the less.

And yet... APAC countries are forecast to install more than 23 gigawatts (GW) 
of solar PV in 2014, which is around half of the expected world total for new 
installed capacity for this year and is a 35% annual growth over last year's 
total for the APAC region. Almost all of this new capacity (95%) is getting 
installed in just five (APAC) countries: China, Japan, India, Australia, and 
Thailand.  The Chinese Bureau of Energy recently announced an aggressive target 
of 12 GW for 2014, with 8 GW to be installed on rooftops, and the remaining 4 
GW located on the ground. It has set itself a goal of having 35 gigawatts of 
installed solar power capacity by the end of 2015. This is an aggressive move 
to transition away from a carbon based energy towards a system increasingly 
based off of harvesting the natural and FREE solar flux. Again I think you are 
a little confused on the facts here. This is not just a smog reduction program 
-- though it will certainly contribute to reducing smog -- this is moving 
aggressively on a large scale towards solar power. China is very rapidly 
overtaking the US -- which already lags behind Germany and Italy -- in terms of 
its installed solar PV base. 
What most Americans and also Europeans are not aware of is that China also has 
(in 2012) an installed base of 250GW of rooftop solar water heaters, and leads 
the world in solar hot water heating by a huge margin. Americans and Europeans 
mostly burn natural gas to heat their water. Following? Or is that actually 
leading? The next largest country is Germany with about 30GW, followed by Italy 
with about 20GW (nice but not in the same league as China's 250GW) The US by 
comparison has less than 5 GW.
Oh and by the way more than 80% of PV modules produced globally will be made in 
Asia -- lead again by China.
Is this what you meant by a smog reduction program?
Chris


-Original Message-
From: LizR lizj...@gmail.com
To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, Apr 22, 2014 7:37 pm
Subject: Re: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate.

I think you'll find China is trying to cut its pollution, particularly* air 
pollution, and succeeding to some extent. Basically it has to, because the 
problem is so bad that it's severely impacting health and production.

http://www.greenpeace.org/eastasia/specials/gpm04/fierce-fight-gdp-air/


*an environmental pun, what next?



On 23 April 2014 09:04,  spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Yeah, it will be costly whether we live or die. It's better to focus on a 
techno fix rather than social engineering by red-greens, and the uber rich.  If 
we want to reduce heating, then reduce CO2, methane, water vapor. Easier said 
then done, but what isn't?
 
The military industrial complex was a feature on both sides of the old cold 
war, and china, for example has not renounced its weapons expansion, nor 
pollution. Peace, by behavior, has to be a two way street. One side cannot do 
peace while the other pursues war. Look no further than the Putin grab of the 
Ukraine for a timely example. Your values, are not Putin's values, which is why 
we have war.
 
Probably, if people get focused on intermediate rewards that are greater than 
what war brings, we could have peace. But those rewards better occur, otherwise 
its revolution and war.
 
You sound confused. By tax payer funded gravy train did not seem to be focusing 
in on the more or less permanent state of war – the war on terror --  that the 
military industrial complex has profited so nicely  from… In the amount of 
trillions of dollars. If you want to start talking about government gravy 
trains why not begin with the elephant in the room. You focus too much – IMO – 
on the wee little mice (in the world of government subsidy) and fail to notice 
the four hundred pound hogs.
Chris





-Original Message-
From: Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com
To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com

Sent: Mon, Apr 21, 2014 10:08 pm
Subject: RE: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate.

 
 
 From: everything-list@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com
 
Simply put, we need better energy technology, for energy and climate 
remediation, and not better government dictatorship, who, 

RE: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate.

['Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List]

 

 

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR

 

Yes they're trying to reduce smog but that should still have that effect to 
some extent (reducing AGW). But yes, clean green energy is needed - maybe 
nuclear reactors (Russia is doing a good line in small portable reactors, I 
believe). Probably not THE best solution but needs must...

 

Solar PV is on, continues to be on and has long been on a path of geometric 
growth and of rapidly falling prices. Within five years or so it is going to be 
the least expensive form of electric power generation bar none; and will have a 
very large existing manufacturing base able to churn out the equivalent of many 
new nuclear power plants per year. People need to understand geometric growth 
in order to understand the what is going on with PV. Already PV supplies about 
1% of the world’s electricity. It’s capacity (and hence capacity to produce) is 
doubling every two and a half years or so. How many doublings of 1% does it 
take to become the dominant electric energy supply?

Not that many with just five doublings it reaches 32% of total generation, 
which would definitely make it the dominant electric energy player. I have been 
hearing prognosticators pronounce solar dead every year – several times a year 
– for the past ten years – if I had a nickel for every “in the know” person who 
has told me it is dead I could at least buy myself a very nice dinner. For an 
alleged corpse it has proven to be remarkably dynamic…. No? 

The global – Asia centered – solar sector, already has a well-developed global 
supply chain from mine to rooftop; it has achieved the kind of scale that 
ensures it can and will continue to muscle its way into the world electricity 
markets, inexorably expanding its market share.

Solar is going to win on price. And that is the reason it is going to win. 

 

On 23 April 2014 14:04, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:


Understood, but China is not pursuing a policy of eliminating AGW, but reducing 
smog in its cities. Its not a kumbaya  moment now for anything nowbin east asia 
as you hsve noticed, regarding china. The best way then to reduce carbon 
emissions is to develop clean energy generators, that can be installed quickly, 
reliably, abundantly, and china will follow, because it will be cleaner then 
coal, and quicker and cheaper thsn nukes. But it must be available to buy or 
steal from us, so if the chinese do this, it will help us never the less.

 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
Everything List group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
Everything List group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

RE: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate.

['Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List]

 

 

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 8:28 PM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate.

 

On 23 April 2014 15:09, 'Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via 
Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote:

-Original Message-
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com

Understood, but China is not pursuing a policy of eliminating AGW, but 
reducing smog in its cities. Its not a kumbaya  moment now for anything 
nowbin east asia as you hsve noticed, regarding china. The best way then to 
reduce carbon emissions is to develop clean energy generators, that can be 
installed quickly, reliably, abundantly, and china will follow, because it 
will be cleaner then coal, and quicker and cheaper thsn nukes. But it must be 
available to buy or steal from us, so if the chinese do this, it will help us 
never the less.

And yet... APAC countries are forecast to install more than 23 gigawatts (GW) 
of solar PV in 2014, which is around half of the expected world total for new 
installed capacity for this year and is a 35% annual growth over last year's 
total for the APAC region. Almost all of this new capacity (95%) is getting 
installed in just five (APAC) countries: China, Japan, India, Australia, and 
Thailand.  The Chinese Bureau of Energy recently announced an aggressive target 
of 12 GW for 2014, with 8 GW to be installed on rooftops, and the remaining 4 
GW located on the ground. It has set itself a goal of having 35 gigawatts of 
installed solar power capacity by the end of 2015. This is an aggressive move 
to transition away from a carbon based energy towards a system increasingly 
based off of harvesting the natural and FREE solar flux. Again I think you are 
a little confused on the facts here. This is not just a smog reduction program 
-- though it will certainly contribute to reducing smog -- this is moving 
aggressively on a large scale towards solar power. China is very rapidly 
overtaking the US -- which already lags behind Germany and Italy -- in terms of 
its installed solar PV base.
What most Americans and also Europeans are not aware of is that China also has 
(in 2012) an installed base of 250GW of rooftop solar water heaters, and leads 
the world in solar hot water heating by a huge margin. Americans and Europeans 
mostly burn natural gas to heat their water. Following? Or is that actually 
leading? The next largest country is Germany with about 30GW, followed by Italy 
with about 20GW (nice but not in the same league as China's 250GW) The US by 
comparison has less than 5 GW.
Oh and by the way more than 80% of PV modules produced globally will be made in 
Asia -- lead again by China.
Is this what you meant by a smog reduction program?

You're engaged in a smog reduction programme yourself! :-)

 

LOL Yes J

Information smog enables the carbon interests to continue to keep the world 
addicted to their product, at great profit for them, hence the motive.

 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
Everything List group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
Everything List group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

RE: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate.

['Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List]

 

 

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com
[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal

 

On 21 Apr 2014, at 01:39, Chris de Morsella wrote:

 

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com
[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb

 

On 4/19/2014 9:01 PM, Samiya Illias wrote:

Including Uri Geller, UFOs, a thousand people who want to prove Einstein
wrong, Borley Rectory, the people trying to sell me something from Nigeria,
the Loch Ness monster, Ouija boards, Thor, Zeus, Odin and so on - yes, no
doubt one shouldn't dismiss anything, but life's too short not to
prioritise. 

 

Too short, yes! Prioritize, yes!  Especially because if there is a purpose
to this life, and especially if there is more to life after death, and if
this short life is but a test, whose result is eternal, then we better study
earnestly. Difficult, yes, impossible, no! 


It's an incredible con job when you think of it, to believe something now
in exchange for life after death. Even corporations with all their reward
systems don't try to make it posthumous.
 Gloria Steinem, women's rights activist

 

And how could it be otherwise. religion has always been a tool of the state
to mind control the slaves with promises of rewards in the thereafter in
exchange for loyalty, obedience and service throughout the span of actual
life; balanced with threats of eternal damnation for falling out of line.
The narrative of religion after religion seems tailor made, -- by their acts
shall they be known -- for the imposition of the centralized authority
totalitarian mindset. Marx got it right when he compared it to Opium; and I
apologize for hurting anyone's feelings who may believe in some deity or
other.

I think it is important to distinguish the pursuit of self-awareness,
enlightenment, transcendence, spiritual self-realization. these are
exquisitely personal acts and pursuits that have mostly been discouraged,
frowned upon and often repressed by force and threat by the forces of
organized religion. Free thinking and the spirit of questioning dogma is not
something any religion tolerates (except in rare moments of flowering, say
the Golden period of Moorish Cordoba)

 

 

Indeed. As Einstein knew, even the religion of free-thinking generates
its own dogma. Free thinking is a protagorean virtue: it obeys []p - ~p. I
got evidence from Brussels university, where you have to sign an allegeance
to free-thinking, and then have to defend dogmatically Aristotelian
theology, i.e. the belief in a *primitive* physical  universe.

 

Hehe how exquisitely ironic J -- and emphatically yes I agree LOL the cult
of free thinking is every bit as much of a mind fuck as any other dogma.
These people sound like they aspire to become clowns I hope at least they
are funny. nothing sadder than a clown who can't get a laugh. People reveal
themselves, far more, by their actions than they do by their professions. 

 

So genuine free thinker will think freely without ever saying that they
are thinking freely. They will simply never use such an expression, except
in meta-debate where free-thinking is the object of discussion.

 

Agreed. in a similar way those who proclaim that they know, most often do
not! As those who - at least know better grin -- simply smile and say
nothing. American culture has this somewhat annoying phrase think outside
of the box. annoying to me often, because it is tossed out there. often in
a rote learned manner, empty of any real spontaneous thought or actual real
intent to put what has been verbally proclaimed into practice.. A formulaic
waste of mind space. Even if the words do point at something; it is the use
and the robotic mandatory throw it out there kind of way in which it is
tossed into discourse. often, in my experience by mediocre mid-level
corporate bureaucrats who seem to feel that they - by this empty act -
anoint themselves with the tag of one who thinks outside of the box

 

Note that believing in the God of comp entails the practice of
free-thinking, as faith, here,  will invite reason to not fear any argument.


Only bad faith hides data and fear theories.

 

At some level, there is only that, which is personally experienced... each
has to know God on their own, by their own way, in their own heart. No one
can - beyond, perhaps pointing out the way to some extent -- teach or lead
anyone down this path. A spiritual quest is quintessentially a personal
quest.

Chris

 

Bruno

 

 

 

 

 

 





Chris

 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
Everything List group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

 

-- 
You received this message because you 

RE: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate.

['Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List]

 

 

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com
[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 1:37 AM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate.

 

 

On 21 Apr 2014, at 02:03, Chris de Morsella wrote:





 

 

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com
[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 5:01 AM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate.

 

On 20 April 2014 22:41, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote:

 

Everything we know

Everything we know that we know

Everything we do not know

Everything we suspect we do not know

Everything we cannot possibly know (due to the limitations of hominid
brains/minds)

Everything that was, is or will be

 

In short, God is - wait for it:

 

The Everything.

 

I don't have any problem with calling this God, or indeed calling it
whatever you like, but it isn't the concept most people have of God.

 

Maybe you should just call it the Everything. 

 

The Everything cannot possibly have a name nor an identity.

 

The Tao that can be named...

 

Most people think God has an identity. God is love, or my God is a jealous
God, or whatever. So your conception of God isn't what we were talking
about.

 

The Jewish mystics of the Moorish flowering wrote of the Sephirot Kether
(the crown) that it is that which is manifest, but cannot be defined,
described or named. It is perhaps that ineffable sense of being that
precedes and underlies our own perception of our self-being, but whatever...

 

Yes. the awe of mystery, would say Einstein. 

 

There is that sense of something behind the curtain... of something there just
before we perceive it. Perhaps it is just a kind of brain echo of the
ghostly mechanics characterizing the chaotic emergence of awareness out from
the vast and very lively electric sea of chirping neurons From whence it
emerges.

 





Only one way to find out though, and that is to look for yourself, 

 

Exactly. 

 

And even then No guarantees J

 

 





that is if you are lucky and wise and don't fall for one or another of the
well packaged stories that are seeking souls to corral.

 

 

You need to be a universal machine,

 ... knowing that she is universal (= Löbian),

 and willing to stay universal and exploits the inconceivable freedom of
the universal machine.

 

But most humans prefer to let other machines to think for them, as this
gives an illusion of social security.

 

Humans are easily herded; we are special that way.

Chris

 

Bruno

 

 

 





Chris

 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
Everything List group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
Everything List group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

 

http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/

 

 

 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
Everything List group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
Everything List group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

RE: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate.

['Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List]

 

 

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com
[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Telmo Menezes
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 12:38 AM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate.

 

 

 

On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 12:52 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:

On 4/18/2014 7:13 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:

What society thinks has nothing to do with it, because weak
correlation-based scientific evidence is used selectively to create laws
that were desired a priori by some interest group.

That implies some nefarious motive and corrupt use of data known to be
wrong.  In fact there was no nefarious 'interest group' that wanted to ban
marijuana or to ban alcohol or to ban heroin.  All these bans were initiated
by people who believed in the ill effects of these substances for
individuals and for society.  In many cases they had personal experience.
That the bans may have given rise to criminal activities to circumvent them,
isn't to the point of their origin.

 

 

I never claimed that any data was wrong. What I said was that correlations
are weak evidence, and that many studies show correlation for all sorts of
things. Furthermore, these correlations are used selectively when it comes
to legislating. For this we have hard evidence: there is much stronger
scientific evidence against alcohol and tobacco than cannabis, yet the
former are legal while the latter is illegal.

 

Exactly - weak correlations can be found for almost anything if you look
hard enough. 

Chris

 

In the UK, Professor David Nutt was sacked from his position as chairman of
the government advisory board on the misuse of drugs for analysing
scientific evidence and coming to the conclusion that alcohol was more
dangerous than ecstasy, LSD and cannabis:

 

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/oct/30/drugs-adviser-david-nutt-sac
ked

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/oct/29/nutt-drugs-policy-reform-cal
l?guni=Article:in%20body%20link

 

Then, the cultivation of industrial help -- which is not psychoactive -- was
also made illegal. Industrial has a wide range of applications: paper,
fabric, building material and cheap protein source, to name a few. It
threatens several industries and it is not a narcotic. How do you explain
that?

 

Telmo.

 


Brent

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
Everything List group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
Everything List group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
Everything List group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.