date:20011005

Restricting who can send to a DL

2001-10-05 Thread Kevin Pethick


Hello

I have an distribution list and I wish to limit who can send to it.

I have already restricted which internal users can do this by adding them in
the accept messages from list in the delivery restriction tab of exchange
admin. And this works fine

I now need to allow one external address to be able to send to this
distribution list.
What I have done is 
create custom recipient for the external address
add the custom recipient to the list of address the DL is allowed to
accept messages from.

Whenever the external user sends a message to the DL they get the following
error


Your message

  To: distribution list 
  Subject: whatever the subject is
  Sent:Thu, 4 Oct 2001 16:08:15 +0100

did not reach the following recipient(s):

"Distribution list name" on Thu, 4 Oct 2001 16:09:22 +0100
A restriction in the system prevented delivery of the message.
The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=US;a= ;p=CAE Electronics
;l=CAEUKEX010110041509TRT4MQ8J
MSEXCH:MSExchangeMTA:CAEPLC:CAEUKEX01


Have I missed something when I was setting this up or am I just doing this
the wrong way.
Any suggestions as to how to resolve this problem greatly received.

We are currently running EX5.5 SP3 

Many thanks
Kevin


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RE: Has any one used Trend Scanmail for Spam mail?

2001-10-05 Thread Ghaleed Nortje


???

What's your scenario? We could maybe help you.

Ghaleed

-Original Message-
From: Van Huissteden, Adriaan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 05 October 2001 06:41
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Has any one used Trend Scanmail for Spam mail?



Adriaan Van Huissteden

Network Administrator
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Phone: (03) 6233 0660



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RE: Losing data after moving to Exchange server

2001-10-05 Thread Allison Wittstock


No, it had been delivered by the linux mail server.  She was just moving these
old eMails to her new Exchange Mail Box.
At the time she was moving the mails from the .pst to the Mail Box, her new
mails were being delievered to her Mail Box Inbox on the Exchange Server.

I ran ScanPST over 7 times now, and still there is no error.


On Thu, 04 Oct 2001, you wrote:
> And the internet mail was delivered to the PST by your Exchange server?
> 
> I think DumpsterAlwaysOn will do it unless this was a connection directly to
> the ISP.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Allison Wittstock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 11:39 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Losing data after moving to Exchange server
> 
> 
> Yes.  And she had the "remove mail from Server" option set on her client.
> 
> 
> 
> n Thu, 04 Oct 2001, you wrote:
> > Wll, how did they get delivered there?  Was she on Internet Mail only
> prior?
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Allison Wittstock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 10:45 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Losing data after moving to Exchange server
> > 
> > 
> > I think I have confused you? Or not explained myself.
> > Her mails were on her .pst.   Her Outlook was set up for using Exchange
> > Server.
> > She opened her old .pst temporarily, to move old eMails FROM the .pst TO
> the
> > Server.   
> > >From your explanation, I think you thought they were on the Server,
> > then moved to .pst.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, 04 Oct 2001, you wrote:
> > > They had to be on some server at sometime, before they ended up in the
> PST
> > > on the User's HD.  
> > > MailServer>Mail in Inbox on MailServer.
> > > Users starts client,mail leaves Inbox of Mailserver, gets delivered to
> > inbox
> > > of PST.
> > > Go to the OLD Server Or where ever the mail was and try to recover what
> > ever
> > > was lost via the Deleted Item Retention time and the dumpster always on
> > Reg
> > > hack.  
> > > 
> > > >>>-Original Message-
> > > >>>From: Allison Wittstock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > >>>Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 10:35 AM
> > > >>>To: Exchange Discussions
> > > >>>Subject: RE: Losing data after moving to Exchange server
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Can you explain how the deleted item retention would work, 
> > > >>>if the eMails
> > > >>>probably weren't on the Server to begin with?
> > > >>>I also looked on Slipstick.com, but the apps seemed to be 
> > > >>>for .psts that are
> > > >>>corrupted. This one doesn't seem to be.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>On Tue, 02 Oct 2001, you wrote:
> > >  Second thoughtDo you buy chance have deleted item 
> > > >>>rention time turned
> > >  on?  If so, with the dumpster always on reg hack you 
> > > >>>should be able to
> > >  recover at least mail for the amount of days you have 
> > > >>>retention time
> > >  set...
> > >  
> > >  Where was the personal folder stored?  PC...?  Network 
> > > >>>share?  If share, was
> > >  it backed up?  
> > >  
> > >  How important is this info that is lost?  Is it worth 
> > > >>>$245..if so, you might
> > >  want to call PSS.  I don't think they'll charge if they 
> > > >>>can't help...
> > >  
> > >  Have you looked at Slipstick.com...?
> > >  
> > >  PST files blow, don't they...?
> > >  
> > >  Matthew
> > >  Exchange Disaster Recovery, Live it, Learn It, Love It, 
> > > >>>Get yours today!
> > >  http://www.microsoft.com/TechNet/exchange/technote/edrv3p1.asp
> > >  
> > >  "Besides the technical limitations on the PST (remember 
> > > >>>the P stands for
> > >  Personal, that means you're responsible not the mail 
> > > >>>admin)..." Jim Schwartz
> > >  8-16-01
> > >  
> > >  
> > >  >>>-Original Message-
> > >  >>>From: Allison Wittstock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >  >>>Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 8:29 AM
> > >  >>>To: Exchange Discussions
> > >  >>>Subject: RE: Losing data after moving to Exchange server
> > >  >>>
> > >  >>>
> > >  >>>I have opened the file, but I do not see a Lost & Found folder.
> > >  >>>
> > >  >>>I tried to count the items, and I can account for about 
> > >  >>>2/3's of the 2697
> > >  >>>items.  Her deleted items were ALL of her emails.
> > >  >>>
> > >  >>>Is there anything else I can do to this .pst to recover the 
> > >  >>>lost items?  They
> > >  >>>have to be somewhere, no?
> > >  >>>
> > >  >>>Yes, I have seen your quote, but the fact is, I'm the
> > >  >>>Administrator and I am expected to solve any technical 
> > >  >>>problem for my users.
> > >  >>>
> > >  >>>Allison Wittstock
> > >  >>>
> > >  >>>
> > >  >>>
> > >  >>>On Tue, 02 Oct 2001, you wrote:
> > >   Could be...I've seen users with Tens of thousands of items 
> > > >

RE: Has any one used Trend Scanmail for Spam mail?

2001-10-05 Thread QUINN, Chris


What makes you think he's a limey?  Dutch name with an Australian domain
(based in Tasmania) does not equal English!

-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 05 October 2001 08:13
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Has any one used Trend Scanmail for Spam mail?


Get a real job you limey

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Subject: Has any one used Trend Scanmail for Spam mail?


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Re: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Mark Hanji


How can you know it will always a bad thing?

- Original Message - 
From: "Don Ely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
Subject: RE: Restore


> Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David N.
> Precht
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Restore
> 
> 
> Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in 2k ?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Van Huissteden,
> Adriaan
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56 
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Restore
> 
> 
> Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on Exchange Server 2K?
> Thanks
> 
> Adriaan Van Huissteden
> 
> Network Administrator
> Connect Credit Union
> Phone: (03) 6233 0660
> 
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RE: Has any one used Trend Scanmail for Spam mail?

2001-10-05 Thread QUINN, Chris


And if he was English in Australia, he'd be a Pom, not a Limey!

-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 05 October 2001 08:13
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Has any one used Trend Scanmail for Spam mail?


Get a real job you limey

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To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 12:40 AM
Subject: Has any one used Trend Scanmail for Spam mail?


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RE: Losing data after moving to Exchange server

2001-10-05 Thread Allison Wittstock


Hello Lori, Matthew,

I was told to drop this task. But thank you for your help and patience.

Allison Wittstock


On Thu, 04 Oct 2001, you wrote:
> And the internet mail was delivered to the PST by your Exchange server?
> 
> I think DumpsterAlwaysOn will do it unless this was a connection directly to
> the ISP.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Allison Wittstock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 11:39 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Losing data after moving to Exchange server
> 
> 
> Yes.  And she had the "remove mail from Server" option set on her client.
> 
> 
> 
> n Thu, 04 Oct 2001, you wrote:
> > Wll, how did they get delivered there?  Was she on Internet Mail only
> prior?
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Allison Wittstock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 10:45 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Losing data after moving to Exchange server
> > 
> > 
> > I think I have confused you? Or not explained myself.
> > Her mails were on her .pst.   Her Outlook was set up for using Exchange
> > Server.
> > She opened her old .pst temporarily, to move old eMails FROM the .pst TO
> the
> > Server.   
> > >From your explanation, I think you thought they were on the Server,
> > then moved to .pst.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, 04 Oct 2001, you wrote:
> > > They had to be on some server at sometime, before they ended up in the
> PST
> > > on the User's HD.  
> > > MailServer>Mail in Inbox on MailServer.
> > > Users starts client,mail leaves Inbox of Mailserver, gets delivered to
> > inbox
> > > of PST.
> > > Go to the OLD Server Or where ever the mail was and try to recover what
> > ever
> > > was lost via the Deleted Item Retention time and the dumpster always on
> > Reg
> > > hack.  
> > > 
> > > >>>-Original Message-
> > > >>>From: Allison Wittstock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > >>>Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 10:35 AM
> > > >>>To: Exchange Discussions
> > > >>>Subject: RE: Losing data after moving to Exchange server
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Can you explain how the deleted item retention would work, 
> > > >>>if the eMails
> > > >>>probably weren't on the Server to begin with?
> > > >>>I also looked on Slipstick.com, but the apps seemed to be 
> > > >>>for .psts that are
> > > >>>corrupted. This one doesn't seem to be.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>On Tue, 02 Oct 2001, you wrote:
> > >  Second thoughtDo you buy chance have deleted item 
> > > >>>rention time turned
> > >  on?  If so, with the dumpster always on reg hack you 
> > > >>>should be able to
> > >  recover at least mail for the amount of days you have 
> > > >>>retention time
> > >  set...
> > >  
> > >  Where was the personal folder stored?  PC...?  Network 
> > > >>>share?  If share, was
> > >  it backed up?  
> > >  
> > >  How important is this info that is lost?  Is it worth 
> > > >>>$245..if so, you might
> > >  want to call PSS.  I don't think they'll charge if they 
> > > >>>can't help...
> > >  
> > >  Have you looked at Slipstick.com...?
> > >  
> > >  PST files blow, don't they...?
> > >  
> > >  Matthew
> > >  Exchange Disaster Recovery, Live it, Learn It, Love It, 
> > > >>>Get yours today!
> > >  http://www.microsoft.com/TechNet/exchange/technote/edrv3p1.asp
> > >  
> > >  "Besides the technical limitations on the PST (remember 
> > > >>>the P stands for
> > >  Personal, that means you're responsible not the mail 
> > > >>>admin)..." Jim Schwartz
> > >  8-16-01
> > >  
> > >  
> > >  >>>-Original Message-
> > >  >>>From: Allison Wittstock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >  >>>Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 8:29 AM
> > >  >>>To: Exchange Discussions
> > >  >>>Subject: RE: Losing data after moving to Exchange server
> > >  >>>
> > >  >>>
> > >  >>>I have opened the file, but I do not see a Lost & Found folder.
> > >  >>>
> > >  >>>I tried to count the items, and I can account for about 
> > >  >>>2/3's of the 2697
> > >  >>>items.  Her deleted items were ALL of her emails.
> > >  >>>
> > >  >>>Is there anything else I can do to this .pst to recover the 
> > >  >>>lost items?  They
> > >  >>>have to be somewhere, no?
> > >  >>>
> > >  >>>Yes, I have seen your quote, but the fact is, I'm the
> > >  >>>Administrator and I am expected to solve any technical 
> > >  >>>problem for my users.
> > >  >>>
> > >  >>>Allison Wittstock
> > >  >>>
> > >  >>>
> > >  >>>
> > >  >>>On Tue, 02 Oct 2001, you wrote:
> > >   Could be...I've seen users with Tens of thousands of items 
> > >  >>>and only have
> > >   25MB.  On the other hand I've seen users with about a few 
> > >  >>>hundred items and
> > >   be well over 400MB.  You will have to open up the file and 
> > >  >>>l

Disaster Recovery

2001-10-05 Thread Amir El Aziq


In light of the recent WTC tragedy, I was wondering if anyone on the list
had lost exchange servers, or were forced into DR by the situation?

How did you handle business continuity, and was there anything that you
learnt that would change your strategy going forward?  How long did it take
you to get things back online?

I'm guessing that there are admins out there that were in this situation
that had to get mail going in order to keep the (global) enterprise
functioning.

Amir

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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville


Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange admin needs BLB's
then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.  

>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
>>>To: Exchange Discussions
>>>Subject: Re: Restore
>>>
>>>
>>>How can you know it will always a bad thing?
>>>
>>>- Original Message - 
>>>From: "Don Ely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
>>>Subject: RE: Restore
>>>
>>>
 Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David N.
 Precht
 Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
 Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in 2k ?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of 
>>>Van Huissteden,
 Adriaan
 Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56 
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Restore
 
 
 Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on 
>>>Exchange Server 2K?
 Thanks
 
 Adriaan Van Huissteden
 
 Network Administrator
 Connect Credit Union
 Phone: (03) 6233 0660
 
 
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RE: Has any one used Trend Scanmail for Spam mail?

2001-10-05 Thread Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville


Scanmail=NO
Interscan=Yes

>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Van Huissteden, Adriaan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 12:41 AM
>>>To: Exchange Discussions
>>>Subject: Has any one used Trend Scanmail for Spam mail?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Adriaan Van Huissteden
>>>
>>>Network Administrator
>>>Connect Credit Union
>>>Phone: (03) 6233 0660
>>>
>>>
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Re: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Mark Hanji


MS , or third party product, may give an option to backup and restore
mailbox is more robust way than via MAPI, in the future.

And about your second sentence I hope you don't waste your time by
restoring exchange boxes
every 2-3 days.

It is time for people here to look a bit beyond "BLB is bad". the market has
many new solutions,
and an admin can backup both: ntbackup and BLB, for example.


- Original Message -
From: "Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:34 PM
Subject: RE: Restore


> Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange admin needs
BLB's
> then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.
>
> >>>-Original Message-
> >>>From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
> >>>To: Exchange Discussions
> >>>Subject: Re: Restore
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>How can you know it will always a bad thing?
> >>>
> >>>- Original Message -
> >>>From: "Don Ely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
> >>>Subject: RE: Restore
> >>>
> >>>
>  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
> 
>  -Original Message-
>  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David N.
>  Precht
>  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
>  To: Exchange Discussions
>  Subject: RE: Restore
> 
> 
>  Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in 2k ?
> 
>  -Original Message-
>  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> >>>Van Huissteden,
>  Adriaan
>  Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56
>  To: Exchange Discussions
>  Subject: Restore
> 
> 
>  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
> >>>Exchange Server 2K?
>  Thanks
> 
>  Adriaan Van Huissteden
> 
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Re: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Amir El Aziq


Scenario:
5 users in the organisation.
1 server for file/print/email
Full Online Exchange backup every night.
Exchange BLB every night also.
Data backup every night.
All backups complete in 3 hours, on 1 tape.

Please explain to me why doing a BLB is bad in this scenario.


> -Original Message-
> From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 05 October 2001 12:35
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Restore
>
>
> Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange admin needs
BLB's
> then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.
>
> >>>-Original Message-
> >>>From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
> >>>To: Exchange Discussions
> >>>Subject: Re: Restore
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>How can you know it will always a bad thing?
> >>>
> >>>- Original Message -
> >>>From: "Don Ely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
> >>>Subject: RE: Restore
> >>>
> >>>
>  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
> 
>  -Original Message-
>  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David N.
>  Precht
>  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
>  To: Exchange Discussions
>  Subject: RE: Restore
> 
> 
>  Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in 2k ?
> 
>  -Original Message-
>  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> >>>Van Huissteden,
>  Adriaan
>  Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56
>  To: Exchange Discussions
>  Subject: Restore
> 
> 
>  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
> >>>Exchange Server 2K?
>  Thanks
> 
>  Adriaan Van Huissteden
> 
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>  Connect Credit Union
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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Couch, Nate


Try doing a BLB with several hundred or several thousand users on an
Exchange server and you can see why a BLB is BAD.  It will take far more
time and tons more tape than necessary.

You obviously have an exception here with only 5 users, but then one would
almost ask why you are running Exchange in the first place with so few
users.

Nate Couch
EDS Messaging

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> From: Amir El Aziq
> Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, October 5, 2001 07:03
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: Restore
> 
> Scenario:
> 5 users in the organisation.
> 1 server for file/print/email
> Full Online Exchange backup every night.
> Exchange BLB every night also.
> Data backup every night.
> All backups complete in 3 hours, on 1 tape.
> 
> Please explain to me why doing a BLB is bad in this scenario.
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 05 October 2001 12:35
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Restore
> >
> >
> > Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange admin needs
> BLB's
> > then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.
> >
> > >>>-Original Message-
> > >>>From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
> > >>>To: Exchange Discussions
> > >>>Subject: Re: Restore
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>How can you know it will always a bad thing?
> > >>>
> > >>>- Original Message -
> > >>>From: "Don Ely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>>To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
> > >>>Subject: RE: Restore
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
> > 
> >  -Original Message-
> >  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David N.
> >  Precht
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> >  Subject: RE: Restore
> > 
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> > 
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> >  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > >>>Van Huissteden,
> >  Adriaan
> >  Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56
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> >  Subject: Restore
> > 
> > 
> >  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
> > >>>Exchange Server 2K?
> >  Thanks
> > 
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> > 
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RE: Multiple Contacts?

2001-10-05 Thread Mike Morrison


Obviously, Exchange won't allow multiple contacts or custom recipients with
the same mail address. Would it be feasible to set up distribution lists
with the parent's e-mail address, set the custom recipients up with dummy
addresses ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [1]), and add them both to the DL? I'm
not sure that makes sense for your situation-- I'm on cold medication and
may not be thinking clearly.

Mike Morrison
NT/SMS/Exchange Administrator
Ben & Jerry's Homemade, Inc.

[1] © Ed Crowley, all rights reserved. [2]
[2] Hi Ed!

-Original Message-
From: Shields, Anthony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 8:07 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Multiple Contacts?


Guys, I need your help.

I'm create contacts in Win2k/E2k.  Simple enough.  I then try to
send a test message to one of them and I get:

Two recipients are configured with the same e-mail address.
Contact your administrator.
   

The message is correct.  There ARE two recipients configured
with the SAME EXTERNAL email address.

Here's the scenario:

You have student - John Smith in 8th grade.  You have his
brother - Jason Smith in 6th grade.  You create 1 contact for each of
them...each teacher should be able to mail the parents by the name of
the student they know.  Each of the contacts is pointed to the parents
email address   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Looking at the properties for each contact, shows that each
contact has a unique email address of  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] .In addition, it shows the parent email address
as the primary on both.

In Outlook, I'd select from the gal one of the students and send
mail.  Wouldn't it match up what I selected in to: to the primary email
address and then just send it?

Is there something I'm missing or can this simply not be done?

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RE: Multiple Contacts?

2001-10-05 Thread Tener, Richard

lmao at the email address

-Original Message-
From: Mike Morrison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:32 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Multiple Contacts?

Obviously, Exchange won't allow multiple contacts or custom recipients with
the same mail address. Would it be feasible to set up distribution lists
with the parent's e-mail address, set the custom recipients up with dummy
addresses ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [1]), and add them both to the DL? I'm
not sure that makes sense for your situation-- I'm on cold medication and
may not be thinking clearly.

Mike Morrison
NT/SMS/Exchange Administrator
Ben & Jerry's Homemade, Inc.

[1] © Ed Crowley, all rights reserved. [2]
[2] Hi Ed!

-Original Message-
From: Shields, Anthony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 8:07 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Multiple Contacts?

Guys, I need your help.

I'm create contacts in Win2k/E2k.  Simple enough.  I then try to
send a test message to one of them and I get:

Two recipients are configured with the same e-mail address.
Contact your administrator.

The message is correct.  There ARE two recipients configured
with the SAME EXTERNAL email address.

Here's the scenario:

You have student - John Smith in 8th grade.  You have his
brother - Jason Smith in 6th grade.  You create 1 contact for each of
them...each teacher should be able to mail the parents by the name of
the student they know.  Each of the contacts is pointed to the parents
email address   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Looking at the properties for each contact, shows that each
contact has a unique email address of  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] .In addition, it shows the parent email address
as the primary on both.

In Outlook, I'd select from the gal one of the students and send
mail.  Wouldn't it match up what I selected in to: to the primary email
address and then just send it?

Is there something I'm missing or can this simply not be done?

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RE: Multiple Contacts?

2001-10-05 Thread Shields, Anthony


LOL...That's some good cold medicine!

Well, I gave up trying and am now putting the all the addresses in to a
contacts public folder.  Not sure I like having it this way yet but
haven't found any other alternatives.

The idea of distribution lists is valid, except the teachers should be
able to email a parent individually and by groups.  We wouldn't want the
group to get an email saying your son failed a science test - when it
only applied to one student - talk about the phone calls the teacher
would get.



-Original Message-
From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:35 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Multiple Contacts?


lmao at the email address

-Original Message-
From: Mike Morrison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:32 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Multiple Contacts?


Obviously, Exchange won't allow multiple contacts or custom recipients
with the same mail address. Would it be feasible to set up distribution
lists with the parent's e-mail address, set the custom recipients up
with dummy addresses ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [1]), and add them both
to the DL? I'm not sure that makes sense for your situation-- I'm on
cold medication and may not be thinking clearly.

Mike Morrison
NT/SMS/Exchange Administrator
Ben & Jerry's Homemade, Inc.

[1] Â© Ed Crowley, all rights reserved. [2]
[2] Hi Ed!

-Original Message-
From: Shields, Anthony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 8:07 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Multiple Contacts?


Guys, I need your help.

I'm create contacts in Win2k/E2k.  Simple enough.  I then try to
send a test message to one of them and I get:

Two recipients are configured with the same e-mail address.
Contact your administrator.
   

The message is correct.  There ARE two recipients configured
with the SAME EXTERNAL email address.

Here's the scenario:

You have student - John Smith in 8th grade.  You have his
brother - Jason Smith in 6th grade.  You create 1 contact for each of
them...each teacher should be able to mail the parents by the name of
the student they know.  Each of the contacts is pointed to the parents
email address   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Looking at the properties for each contact, shows that each
contact has a unique email address of  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] .In addition, it shows the parent email address
as the primary on both.

In Outlook, I'd select from the gal one of the students and send
mail.  Wouldn't it match up what I selected in to: to the primary email
address and then just send it?

Is there something I'm missing or can this simply not be done?

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Exchange Listers: Thanks for the help!

2001-10-05 Thread Bauer, Mr. Rick


A note of gratitude:

We fixed a problem with our Exchange 2000 server 2 nights ago, and we did it
without spending any additional money. 
We are a school that doesn't have a lot of cash to spend on incident calls
to Redmond, and we would prefer to spend our money on our students and
faculty.

I got great information from the folks on the listserve, delivered with
speed, accuracy, and it was a wonderful experience. I checked the FAQ before
I posted, but still couldn't find the exact solution to my problem. To think
what I would have had to pay to get this solution (or the horror in having
to report to my community that the problem could not be fixed) still
frightens me.

We're not brilliant, but we're not idiots, either. I will gladly take the
slings and sarcasms and witticisms (and occasional flashes of literary
greatness--not you Martin--and concern) to wade into this source of
knowledge and genuine (when you filter out all the posing and kvetching)
professional pride in running a top-flight messaging operation for our
companies. We know a bargain when we see one.

So thanks, guys (oops, gals, too--Missy, I worship the ground you walk on!).


We don't get out much, but if events ever bring you near Philly, please come
by and we'll buy as many rounds as necessary to let you know how much we
appreciate all the folks who contribute, who inform, and who challenge us to
do better, be more proactive, be more self-managing and knowledgeable about
these communication tools that so many depend on. Last time I checked, this
wasn't a pay-for-play site, but it sure could be. 

Thanks again for all the help (okay, cue the music, grab the marshmallows,
and let's all hold hands and sing Kumbaya).

(shit, I knew I couldn't get this into a haiku for Friday)

Rick Bauer
The Hill School

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RE: Disaster Recovery

2001-10-05 Thread Gordon Olson


We have a DR plan in place. We test recovery every six months. We fly out of
state to a Sungard facility with only our backup tapes, our documentation
(which we keep off site) and restore our system. For exchange, use the FAQ
of course and the DR one and two whitepapers off technet.

We restore everything including the Unix boxes, NT\2000, Terminal
servers\Citrix, LAN and WAN. We have a separate PVC pointing to Phoenix
location we use to restore the WAN. 

Everytime we do this we learn a ton more about being prepared. 

Exchange was the one and only thing that we had an issue with on the last
trip and that was a backupexec thing, we now use NTbackup and have practice
a few restores, piece of cake using NTBACKUP.

We have had two exchange failures in the last three years, I won't talk
about the first one but the second one was back up in less then three hours.

Hope that helps,

Gordon 

-Original Message-
From: Amir El Aziq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 3:16 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Disaster Recovery


In light of the recent WTC tragedy, I was wondering if anyone on the list
had lost exchange servers, or were forced into DR by the situation?

How did you handle business continuity, and was there anything that you
learnt that would change your strategy going forward?  How long did it take
you to get things back online?

I'm guessing that there are admins out there that were in this situation
that had to get mail going in order to keep the (global) enterprise
functioning.

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Re: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Amir El Aziq


Thats not what I asked.  As an enterprise level architect I appreciate the
drawbacks of BLB in that situation.  My point is that BLB is not bad for
_everyone_.

There is no drawback in doing BLB to the situation I described below.  Or am
I wrong?

> -Original Message-
> From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 05 October 2001 13:30
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Restore
>
>
> Try doing a BLB with several hundred or several thousand users on an
> Exchange server and you can see why a BLB is BAD.  It will take far more
> time and tons more tape than necessary.
>
> You obviously have an exception here with only 5 users, but then one would
> almost ask why you are running Exchange in the first place with so few
> users.
>
> Nate Couch
> EDS Messaging
>
> > --
> > From: Amir El Aziq
> > Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, October 5, 2001 07:03
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Restore
> >
> > Scenario:
> > 5 users in the organisation.
> > 1 server for file/print/email
> > Full Online Exchange backup every night.
> > Exchange BLB every night also.
> > Data backup every night.
> > All backups complete in 3 hours, on 1 tape.
> >
> > Please explain to me why doing a BLB is bad in this scenario.
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: 05 October 2001 12:35
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: Restore
> > >
> > >
> > > Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange admin
> > > needs
> > BLB's
> > > then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.
> > >
> > > >>>-Original Message-
> > > >>>From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > >>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
> > > >>>To: Exchange Discussions
> > > >>>Subject: Re: Restore
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>How can you know it will always a bad thing?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>- Original Message -
> > > >>>From: "Don Ely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >>>To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
> > > >>>Subject: RE: Restore
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > >  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
> > > 
> > >  -Original Message-
> > >  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David
> > >  N. Precht
> > >  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
> > >  To: Exchange Discussions
> > >  Subject: RE: Restore
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in
> > >  2k ?
> > > 
> > >  -Original Message-
> > >  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > > >>>Van Huissteden,
> > >  Adriaan
> > >  Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56
> > >  To: Exchange Discussions
> > >  Subject: Restore
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
> > > >>>Exchange Server 2K?
> > >  Thanks
> > > 
> > >  Adriaan Van Huissteden
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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Kevin Miller


If you need to restore from BLBs with 5 users there really something
wrong. Check out the Ed never restore method in the FAQ.

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Amir El Aziq
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:54 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Restore


Thats not what I asked.  As an enterprise level architect I appreciate
the drawbacks of BLB in that situation.  My point is that BLB is not bad
for _everyone_.

There is no drawback in doing BLB to the situation I described below.
Or am I wrong?

> -Original Message-
> From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 05 October 2001 13:30
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Restore
>
>
> Try doing a BLB with several hundred or several thousand users on an 
> Exchange server and you can see why a BLB is BAD.  It will take far 
> more time and tons more tape than necessary.
>
> You obviously have an exception here with only 5 users, but then one 
> would almost ask why you are running Exchange in the first place with 
> so few users.
>
> Nate Couch
> EDS Messaging
>
> > --
> > From: Amir El Aziq
> > Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, October 5, 2001 07:03
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Restore
> >
> > Scenario:
> > 5 users in the organisation.
> > 1 server for file/print/email
> > Full Online Exchange backup every night.
> > Exchange BLB every night also.
> > Data backup every night.
> > All backups complete in 3 hours, on 1 tape.
> >
> > Please explain to me why doing a BLB is bad in this scenario.
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: 05 October 2001 12:35
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: Restore
> > >
> > >
> > > Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange admin 
> > > needs
> > BLB's
> > > then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.
> > >
> > > >>>-Original Message-
> > > >>>From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > >>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
> > > >>>To: Exchange Discussions
> > > >>>Subject: Re: Restore
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>How can you know it will always a bad thing?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>- Original Message -
> > > >>>From: "Don Ely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >>>To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
> > > >>>Subject: RE: Restore
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > >  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
> > > 
> > >  -Original Message-
> > >  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of 
> > >  David N. Precht
> > >  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
> > >  To: Exchange Discussions
> > >  Subject: RE: Restore
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in

> > >  2k ?
> > > 
> > >  -Original Message-
> > >  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > > >>>Van Huissteden,
> > >  Adriaan
> > >  Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56
> > >  To: Exchange Discussions
> > >  Subject: Restore
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
> > > >>>Exchange Server 2K?
> > >  Thanks
> > > 
> > >  Adriaan Van Huissteden
> > > 
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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Don Ely


Bad habits are Bad habits.  If you have them, you will continue to use
them.  BLB's are a Bad Habit.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Amir El Aziq
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:54 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Restore


Thats not what I asked.  As an enterprise level architect I appreciate
the drawbacks of BLB in that situation.  My point is that BLB is not bad
for _everyone_.

There is no drawback in doing BLB to the situation I described below.
Or am I wrong?

> -Original Message-
> From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 05 October 2001 13:30
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Restore
>
>
> Try doing a BLB with several hundred or several thousand users on an 
> Exchange server and you can see why a BLB is BAD.  It will take far 
> more time and tons more tape than necessary.
>
> You obviously have an exception here with only 5 users, but then one 
> would almost ask why you are running Exchange in the first place with 
> so few users.
>
> Nate Couch
> EDS Messaging
>
> > --
> > From: Amir El Aziq
> > Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, October 5, 2001 07:03
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Restore
> >
> > Scenario:
> > 5 users in the organisation.
> > 1 server for file/print/email
> > Full Online Exchange backup every night.
> > Exchange BLB every night also.
> > Data backup every night.
> > All backups complete in 3 hours, on 1 tape.
> >
> > Please explain to me why doing a BLB is bad in this scenario.
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: 05 October 2001 12:35
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: Restore
> > >
> > >
> > > Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange admin 
> > > needs
> > BLB's
> > > then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.
> > >
> > > >>>-Original Message-
> > > >>>From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > >>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
> > > >>>To: Exchange Discussions
> > > >>>Subject: Re: Restore
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>How can you know it will always a bad thing?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>- Original Message -
> > > >>>From: "Don Ely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >>>To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
> > > >>>Subject: RE: Restore
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > >  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
> > > 
> > >  -Original Message-
> > >  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of 
> > >  David N. Precht
> > >  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
> > >  To: Exchange Discussions
> > >  Subject: RE: Restore
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in

> > >  2k ?
> > > 
> > >  -Original Message-
> > >  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > > >>>Van Huissteden,
> > >  Adriaan
> > >  Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56
> > >  To: Exchange Discussions
> > >  Subject: Restore
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
> > > >>>Exchange Server 2K?
> > >  Thanks
> > > 
> > >  Adriaan Van Huissteden
> > > 
> > >  Network Administrator
> > >  Connect Credit Union
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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville


>>>And about your second sentence I hope you don't 
>>>waste your time by
>>>restoring exchange boxes
>>>every 2-3 days.
I know how to admin my exchange boxes.  I have never, nor will I ever need
to restore a single mailbox.  I use proven methods, not the crutch termed
BLB.  Now go away you TROLL

Matthew

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in the dark."



>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:02 AM
>>>To: Exchange Discussions
>>>Subject: Re: Restore
>>>
>>>
>>>MS , or third party product, may give an option to backup and restore
>>>mailbox is more robust way than via MAPI, in the future.
>>>
>>>And about your second sentence I hope you don't 
>>>waste your time by
>>>restoring exchange boxes
>>>every 2-3 days.
>>>
>>>It is time for people here to look a bit beyond "BLB is 
>>>bad". the market has
>>>many new solutions,
>>>and an admin can backup both: ntbackup and BLB, for example.
>>>
>>>
>>>- Original Message -
>>>From: "Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:34 PM
>>>Subject: RE: Restore
>>>
>>>
 Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange 
>>>admin needs
>>>BLB's
 then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.

 >>>-Original Message-
 >>>From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 >>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
 >>>To: Exchange Discussions
 >>>Subject: Re: Restore
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>How can you know it will always a bad thing?
 >>>
 >>>- Original Message -
 >>>From: "Don Ely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 >>>To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 >>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
 >>>Subject: RE: Restore
 >>>
 >>>
  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
 
  -Original Message-
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On 
>>>Behalf Of David N.
  Precht
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be 
>>>true in 2k ?
 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 >>>Van Huissteden,
  Adriaan
  Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Restore
 
 
  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
 >>>Exchange Server 2K?
  Thanks
 
  Adriaan Van Huissteden
 
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  Connect Credit Union
  Phone: (03) 6233 0660
 
 
  
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Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Atkinson, Daniel


Hi,

I'd be grateful if someone could clarify the licensing situation with
exchange, the MS site is not particularly informative in this regard. I
understand that exchange CAL's must be bought 'per-seat' for each device
that will access the server, although academic organisations can buy
'per-mailbox' licensing.

I also understand that a CAL is required for OWA access. How does this work?
What about users checking their mail from internet cafes etc? Technically,
it seems as though you would need a CAL for those machines as well.

thanks for any info

dan.

Exchange 5.5 sp4
Win2k Advanced Server (2-node cluster)

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Can I not do this?

2001-10-05 Thread alantzos


I've got a PDC (Its the only server in the domain), Its got Exchange 5.5 on
it.

I'm doing the following;

Upgrading it to 2000 ADV Server, create a new AD forest and leave it in
mixed mode.

Works fine, Exchange 5.5 happy, whole server happy.

I run Exchange 2000 setup, run the ADC thingy - Fine.

On completion of install, no Exchange what so ever...All services start ok,
but it does not replicate the 5.5 site into 2000 & no-one has accessAlso
non of the connectors work.

Am I missing something major?

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RE: Can I not do this?

2001-10-05 Thread Kevin Miller


/forestprep /domainprep ? DDNS setup correctly. Did you install as an
upgrade or a fresh install?? 

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Subject: Can I not do this?


I've got a PDC (Its the only server in the domain), Its got Exchange 5.5
on it.

I'm doing the following;

Upgrading it to 2000 ADV Server, create a new AD forest and leave it in
mixed mode.

Works fine, Exchange 5.5 happy, whole server happy.

I run Exchange 2000 setup, run the ADC thingy - Fine.

On completion of install, no Exchange what so ever...All services start
ok, but it does not replicate the 5.5 site into 2000 & no-one has
accessAlso non of the connectors work.

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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Don Ely

Contact your local vendor who supplied the licensing.  We aren't
authorized MS Licensing dealers here.

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Subject: Licensing

Hi,

I'd be grateful if someone could clarify the licensing situation with
exchange, the MS site is not particularly informative in this regard. I
understand that exchange CAL's must be bought 'per-seat' for each device
that will access the server, although academic organisations can buy
'per-mailbox' licensing.

I also understand that a CAL is required for OWA access. How does this
work? What about users checking their mail from internet cafes etc?
Technically, it seems as though you would need a CAL for those machines
as well.

thanks for any info

dan.

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RE: Can I not do this?

2001-10-05 Thread Don Ely

AD Connector to Exchange 5.5???

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I've got a PDC (Its the only server in the domain), Its got Exchange 5.5
on it.

I'm doing the following;

Upgrading it to 2000 ADV Server, create a new AD forest and leave it in
mixed mode.

Works fine, Exchange 5.5 happy, whole server happy.

I run Exchange 2000 setup, run the ADC thingy - Fine.

On completion of install, no Exchange what so ever...All services start
ok, but it does not replicate the 5.5 site into 2000 & no-one has
accessAlso non of the connectors work.

Am I missing something major?

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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Robert Moir

-Original Message-
From: Amir El Aziq
To: Exchange Discussions
Sent: 05/10/01 13:03
Subject: Re: Restore

> Scenario:
> 5 users in the organisation.
> 1 server for file/print/email
> Full Online Exchange backup every night.
> Exchange BLB every night also.
> Data backup every night.
> All backups complete in 3 hours, on 1 tape.

> Please explain to me why doing a BLB is bad in this scenario.

You have reduced the scale of your exchange system to a size where the bad
points of BLBs have not yet reared up and bit your mythical scenario admin.
That still doesn't make BLBs a good idea, in the same way that one hit of
heroin probably won't kill you, but it still might not be a good idea to
take some.

I could send all of your users a bunch of large emails (say 5 emails of
100mb to all 5 users) and your single-instance-storage-breaking BLB backup
isn't quite so elegant anymore.

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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Bauer, Mr. Rick

There are 2 VERY DIFFERENT animals--corporate MC licensing and academic
licensing. Even the Redmond folks don't always know the difference.

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Contact your local vendor who supplied the licensing.  We aren't
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Hi,

I'd be grateful if someone could clarify the licensing situation with
exchange, the MS site is not particularly informative in this regard. I
understand that exchange CAL's must be bought 'per-seat' for each device
that will access the server, although academic organisations can buy
'per-mailbox' licensing.

I also understand that a CAL is required for OWA access. How does this
work? What about users checking their mail from internet cafes etc?
Technically, it seems as though you would need a CAL for those machines
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thanks for any info

dan.

Exchange 5.5 sp4
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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Drewski


because it's not the way Exchange was designed, and you want to have your
third-party solutions be designed to work with your mission critical apps,
not the other way around.

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How can you know it will always a bad thing?

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> Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
>
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>
> Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in 2k ?
>
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Van Huissteden,
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> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56
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> Subject: Restore
>
>
> Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on Exchange Server 2K?
> Thanks
>
> Adriaan Van Huissteden
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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Drewski


Possible corruption of the store.

Increased tape drive usage, which will result in a shorter lifespan for your
tape drive.

The wrath of the list.  :P

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Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:04 AM
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Subject: Re: Restore


Scenario:
5 users in the organisation.
1 server for file/print/email
Full Online Exchange backup every night.
Exchange BLB every night also.
Data backup every night.
All backups complete in 3 hours, on 1 tape.

Please explain to me why doing a BLB is bad in this scenario.


> -Original Message-
> From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 05 October 2001 12:35
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Restore
>
>
> Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange admin needs
BLB's
> then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.
>
> >>>-Original Message-
> >>>From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
> >>>To: Exchange Discussions
> >>>Subject: Re: Restore
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>How can you know it will always a bad thing?
> >>>
> >>>- Original Message -
> >>>From: "Don Ely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
> 
>  -Original Message-
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>  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David N.
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> 
>  Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in 2k ?
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>  -Original Message-
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> 
> 
>  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
> >>>Exchange Server 2K?
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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Drewski


assuming she has the time in the day, yes.  Assuming the BLB doesn't corrupt
the database, like it did at my company -- the mail admin is still getting
crap from the CEO for losing parts of his mail.

When I was still admin-ing Exchange on a regular basis, there WAS no BLB --
and yet, somehow, I wasn't restoring from backup every two or three days.
Deleted Item Retention and Dumpsteralwayson are all you really need, unless
you actually have a disaster -- and then you're doing a disaster recovery
anyway.

Can it work?  Sure.  Can you guarantee it will work?  Heck, no.

Drew

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Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:02 AM
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Subject: Re: Restore


MS , or third party product, may give an option to backup and restore
mailbox is more robust way than via MAPI, in the future.

And about your second sentence I hope you don't waste your time by
restoring exchange boxes
every 2-3 days.

It is time for people here to look a bit beyond "BLB is bad". the market has
many new solutions,
and an admin can backup both: ntbackup and BLB, for example.


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Subject: RE: Restore


> Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange admin needs
BLB's
> then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.
>
> >>>-Original Message-
> >>>From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
> >>>To: Exchange Discussions
> >>>Subject: Re: Restore
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>How can you know it will always a bad thing?
> >>>
> >>>- Original Message -
> >>>From: "Don Ely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
> >>>Subject: RE: Restore
> >>>
> >>>
>  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
> 
>  -Original Message-
>  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David N.
>  Precht
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> 
>  -Original Message-
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> >>>Van Huissteden,
>  Adriaan
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>  To: Exchange Discussions
>  Subject: Restore
> 
> 
>  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
> >>>Exchange Server 2K?
>  Thanks
> 
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> 
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RE: Is there a secure Exchange 5.5, CDO 1.21, IIS 5.0 configurati on?

2001-10-05 Thread Ken Cornetet


Doesn't CDO have an SMTP method? Use it.

Use Blat.exe to send SMTP.

Use ASPMail (http://www.aspemail.com/)

Write your code in Perl and use Net::SMTP.

Outgoing SMTP should not pose a security risk. 

-Original Message-
From: Scott Lief [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 6:45 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Is there a secure Exchange 5.5, CDO 1.21, IIS 5.0
configuration?



Excuse me if this topic has been discussed before but I'm new to the group.


Here's our environment configuration:

***IIS 5.0 server running under local IUSR account with CDO 1.21 installed.
No Outlook installed, no SMTP service running.  This is the way we'd like to
keep it.

***Separate Exchange 5.5 server.

Our goal is to use CDO to send e-mail from a secure IIS server via the
Exchange server.  

>From what I've been able to dig up regarding the above environment
configuration it is only possible to send messages with Exchange via a
Windows NT domain account that Exchange is able to validate.  Because our
IIS machine is running under a local machine account, we are unable to use
CDO to interface with the Exchange machine.

We've tried to impersonate a domain user as outlined on 
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q248/1/87.asp without luck.

We've also verified that setting the IIS anonymous account to use a domain
account does in fact work.  We believe this to be a terribly insecure
configuration.  Is this incorrect?  Why would anyone allow an IIS box to run
under an NT domain account?  Are there any other options?

Thanks for your help,

Scott


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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Atkinson, Daniel


> Contact your local vendor who supplied the licensing.  We aren't
> authorized MS Licensing dealers here.

well thanks for that rather rude response.

i realise that the folks on this list aren't license vendors, although it's
possible that someone might be. regardless, i believe that this is an
appropriate place to discuss exchange licensing with other exchange admins.
if you disagree strongly enough to merit a post to the list, then perhaps
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RE: Can I not do this?

2001-10-05 Thread alantzos


I upgraded NT to 2000, the DCpromo ran shortly after.  It ran ok, and the
domain functions in mixed mode with  all groups & users retained.

The upgrade installed the DNS service & configured it for me.

The Windows 2000 was an upgrade, so was the Exchange 2000.

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Subject: RE: Can I not do this?


/forestprep /domainprep ? DDNS setup correctly. Did you install as an
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I've got a PDC (Its the only server in the domain), Its got Exchange 5.5 on
it.

I'm doing the following;

Upgrading it to 2000 ADV Server, create a new AD forest and leave it in
mixed mode.

Works fine, Exchange 5.5 happy, whole server happy.

I run Exchange 2000 setup, run the ADC thingy - Fine.

On completion of install, no Exchange what so ever...All services start ok,
but it does not replicate the 5.5 site into 2000 & no-one has accessAlso
non of the connectors work.

Am I missing something major?

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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Bowles, John L.


Daniel,

Let me tell you something from experience.  I use to get pissy when everyone
would say rude things to me cause of some of my posts.  You just have to
look past the sarcasim (which is pretty funny at times) cause people will
help you with what you need.  And I believe this list is very appropriate
for you question.  Just lighten up some.  Don't take everything to heart.
Most of the time when they are getting on you, they are trying to help you.
They may not come right out and tell you, but they are trying to help you
push yourself for the answers.  All I can say is just relax...and let the
good times roll!!

 
John Bowles
Exchange Administrator
Enterprise Support & Engineering
Celera Genomics
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Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:55 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Licensing


> Contact your local vendor who supplied the licensing.  We aren't
> authorized MS Licensing dealers here.

well thanks for that rather rude response.

i realise that the folks on this list aren't license vendors, although it's
possible that someone might be. regardless, i believe that this is an
appropriate place to discuss exchange licensing with other exchange admins.
if you disagree strongly enough to merit a post to the list, then perhaps
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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Drewski


Whoa, nelly.  Ok.

The problem is that licensing is so confusing, even Microsoft doesn't
understand it.  So, you can understand our reluctance to talk about it here,
nu?  We don't want to put you in the position of taking our advice, and then
getting into trouble with Microsoft because our advice was wrong.

FWIW, I believe the OWA CALs are something like "internet connection" cals,
which are per connection, not per user, which means that you can simply set
a limit for the number of people who can connect to OWA at any given time.

But, I might be wrong -- and if I am, Microsoft can come after you with a
lawyer, sue you, and drive you out of business with legal fees, should they
so choose and the infraction be serious enough.

Now do you see why some of us don't like talking about it?  :)

Drew

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Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:55 AM
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Subject: RE: Licensing


> Contact your local vendor who supplied the licensing.  We aren't
> authorized MS Licensing dealers here.

well thanks for that rather rude response.

i realise that the folks on this list aren't license vendors, although it's
possible that someone might be. regardless, i believe that this is an
appropriate place to discuss exchange licensing with other exchange admins.
if you disagree strongly enough to merit a post to the list, then perhaps
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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Martin Blackstone


What are these new solutions???
Unless something has changed, BLB is still the same as it always
wasBAD

>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:02 AM
>>>To: Exchange Discussions
>>>Subject: Re: Restore
>>>
>>>
>>>It is time for people here to look a bit beyond "BLB is
>>>bad". the market has
>>>many new solutions,
>>>and an admin can backup both: ntbackup and BLB, for example.
>>>
>>>
>>>- Original Message -
>>>From: "Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:34 PM
>>>Subject: RE: Restore
>>>
>>>
 Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange
>>>admin needs
>>>BLB's
 then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.

 >>>-Original Message-
 >>>From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 >>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
 >>>To: Exchange Discussions
 >>>Subject: Re: Restore
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>How can you know it will always a bad thing?
 >>>
 >>>- Original Message -
 >>>From: "Don Ely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 >>>To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 >>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
 >>>Subject: RE: Restore
 >>>
 >>>
  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
>>>Behalf Of David N.
  Precht
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be
>>>true in 2k ?
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 >>>Van Huissteden,
  Adriaan
  Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Restore
 
 
  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
 >>>Exchange Server 2K?
  Thanks
 
  Adriaan Van Huissteden
 
  Network Administrator
  Connect Credit Union
  Phone: (03) 6233 0660
 
 
  
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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Don Ely


Hmmm... I've been rude before and if you thought that was rude I've got
an eye opening experience for you...

Now back to your subject...  Any one of us could give you any kind of
advice on MS licensing issues.  However, when you get audited and you're
asked where you got your information.  What are you going to tell them?
Well uh, the guys on this Exchange list group told me that I could do it
this way...  Soon after you'll quite possibly be paying a fine for
incorrect licensing and wondering why versus calling your sales rep and
having them clarifying your licensing "in writing" so you don't get
burned.

Take it either way.  I don't really care, but I'm not going to rely on
this list to tell me how my licensing works for my company.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Daniel
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 6:55 AM
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> Contact your local vendor who supplied the licensing.  We aren't 
> authorized MS Licensing dealers here.

well thanks for that rather rude response.

i realise that the folks on this list aren't license vendors, although
it's possible that someone might be. regardless, i believe that this is
an appropriate place to discuss exchange licensing with other exchange
admins. if you disagree strongly enough to merit a post to the list,
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SystemMailbox (Not System Attendant) - Ex2k

2001-10-05 Thread Ali Wilkes (IT)


ex2k srvr
3 storage groups 
11 db's

For various reasons, I renamed the .edb for DB1 in Storage Group 1 and let
the db recreate itself.  The System Attendant was created (as it should)
however, the SystemMailbox has *not* re-created itself.

I haven't been able to find the SystemMailbox in any of the books I have,
and technet doesn't say much very useful about it, except one little
ambiguous "altering items in the system mailbox may cause detrimental
effects to the stability of the Exchange 2000 environment."

1. Does anyone have a reference/resource about the SystemMailbox?
2. What is it/what does it do/how screwed did I just make myself?
3. Does it eventually re-create itself?  Is there something somewhere
explaining what to do if it's gone?

Ali Wilkes
Borders Group, Inc.

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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Martin Blackstone


What are these new solutions???
Unless something has changed, BLB is still the same as it always
wasBAD

>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:02 AM
>>>To: Exchange Discussions
>>>Subject: Re: Restore
>>>
>>>
>>>It is time for people here to look a bit beyond "BLB is
>>>bad". the market has
>>>many new solutions,
>>>and an admin can backup both: ntbackup and BLB, for example.
>>>
>>>
>>>- Original Message -
>>>From: "Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:34 PM
>>>Subject: RE: Restore
>>>
>>>
 Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange
>>>admin needs
>>>BLB's
 then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.

 >>>-Original Message-
 >>>From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 >>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
 >>>To: Exchange Discussions
 >>>Subject: Re: Restore
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>How can you know it will always a bad thing?
 >>>
 >>>- Original Message -
 >>>From: "Don Ely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 >>>To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 >>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
 >>>Subject: RE: Restore
 >>>
 >>>
  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
>>>Behalf Of David N.
  Precht
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be
>>>true in 2k ?
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 >>>Van Huissteden,
  Adriaan
  Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Restore
 
 
  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
 >>>Exchange Server 2K?
  Thanks
 
  Adriaan Van Huissteden
 
  Network Administrator
  Connect Credit Union
  Phone: (03) 6233 0660
 
 
  
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RE: exchange 5.5 and proxy to isa upgrade

2001-10-05 Thread Choi Rex


I haven't tried to upgrade to win2k. I usually advice against OS upgrades
and just format reload. It's usually a much cleaner load. What would be
better of course (for those with large budgets) is to buy a newer/better box
for ISA and W2k since it requires more resources to run. 

As for making changes to the wspcfg.ini file, you don't need it with ISA.
You can still use it with little to no changes made - just load the new
firewall client and use the same ini file. However in ISA, it is better to
use the Server Publishing functionality in ISA.

For a better resourse on ISA, check out http://www.isaserver.org being run
mostly by the illustrious Tom Shinder. You may also want to buy his book as
a resource.

Rex Choi
Siemens Building Technologies


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Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:15 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: exchange 5.5 and proxy to isa upgrade


We are looking to upgrade our  NT 4.6a proxy 2.0 to a w2k isa server.  Do
we need to make any changes to our 5.5 exch (specifically the wspcfg.ini
files) for our mail to still go through the IMC that is behind the
proxy\isa?  I have read that we can disable the proxy services which will
allow us to simply upgrade to w2k and then install isa (no removal of
proxy) has anyone tried this?  Does it manage to keep any configurations
from the proxy 2 and pass them on to the isa?

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RE: Multiple Contacts?

2001-10-05 Thread John Allhiser


Don't want to step on any toes, (Ed, Mike) but that was a Saturday Night Live
skit.
It was about a major bank that had cutting-edge, quality products, but neglected
to 
register a domain name.  Subsequently they were one of the last to get on the
Internet.
Hence the clownpenis.fart...

John Allhiser MCSE CCNA
Network Engineer 
Business Men's Assurance
 

-Original Message-
From: Mike Morrison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:32 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Multiple Contacts?


Obviously, Exchange won't allow multiple contacts or custom recipients with
the same mail address. Would it be feasible to set up distribution lists
with the parent's e-mail address, set the custom recipients up with dummy
addresses ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [1]), and add them both to the DL? I'm
not sure that makes sense for your situation-- I'm on cold medication and
may not be thinking clearly.

Mike Morrison
NT/SMS/Exchange Administrator
Ben & Jerry's Homemade, Inc.

[1] © Ed Crowley, all rights reserved. [2]
[2] Hi Ed!

-Original Message-
From: Shields, Anthony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 8:07 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Multiple Contacts?


Guys, I need your help.

I'm create contacts in Win2k/E2k.  Simple enough.  I then try to
send a test message to one of them and I get:

Two recipients are configured with the same e-mail address.
Contact your administrator.
   

The message is correct.  There ARE two recipients configured
with the SAME EXTERNAL email address.

Here's the scenario:

You have student - John Smith in 8th grade.  You have his
brother - Jason Smith in 6th grade.  You create 1 contact for each of
them...each teacher should be able to mail the parents by the name of
the student they know.  Each of the contacts is pointed to the parents
email address   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Looking at the properties for each contact, shows that each
contact has a unique email address of  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] .In addition, it shows the parent email address
as the primary on both.

In Outlook, I'd select from the gal one of the students and send
mail.  Wouldn't it match up what I selected in to: to the primary email
address and then just send it?

Is there something I'm missing or can this simply not be done?

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RE: Exchange Listers: Thanks for the help!

2001-10-05 Thread Garrish, Robert B.


Dear Rick,

Wawa knows and loves Pottstown.

Store 48
Rt 724 & Schuykill Rd


Rob Garrish
Exchange Administrator
Wawa Inc.
610-558-8371
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



-Original Message-
From: Bauer, Mr. Rick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 08:41 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Exchange Listers: Thanks for the help!


A note of gratitude:

We fixed a problem with our Exchange 2000 server 2 nights ago, and we did it
without spending any additional money. 
We are a school that doesn't have a lot of cash to spend on incident calls
to Redmond, and we would prefer to spend our money on our students and
faculty.

I got great information from the folks on the listserve, delivered with
speed, accuracy, and it was a wonderful experience. I checked the FAQ before
I posted, but still couldn't find the exact solution to my problem. To think
what I would have had to pay to get this solution (or the horror in having
to report to my community that the problem could not be fixed) still
frightens me.

We're not brilliant, but we're not idiots, either. I will gladly take the
slings and sarcasms and witticisms (and occasional flashes of literary
greatness--not you Martin--and concern) to wade into this source of
knowledge and genuine (when you filter out all the posing and kvetching)
professional pride in running a top-flight messaging operation for our
companies. We know a bargain when we see one.

So thanks, guys (oops, gals, too--Missy, I worship the ground you walk on!).


We don't get out much, but if events ever bring you near Philly, please come
by and we'll buy as many rounds as necessary to let you know how much we
appreciate all the folks who contribute, who inform, and who challenge us to
do better, be more proactive, be more self-managing and knowledgeable about
these communication tools that so many depend on. Last time I checked, this
wasn't a pay-for-play site, but it sure could be. 

Thanks again for all the help (okay, cue the music, grab the marshmallows,
and let's all hold hands and sing Kumbaya).

(shit, I knew I couldn't get this into a haiku for Friday)

Rick Bauer
The Hill School

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Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Stephen Mynhier


I rolled out of bed.
I don't have to work today.
Why must my head hurt?

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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Atkinson, Daniel


> Now do you see why some of us don't like talking about it?  :)

well, i sense that it's a touchy subject here. perhaps this should be
mentioned in the FAQ?

thanks for your advice, by the way.

dan.

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Re: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Amir El Aziq


> Possible corruption of the store.

Hmmm...

> Increased tape drive usage, which will result in a shorter lifespan for
your
> tape drive.

Uh huh..

> The wrath of the list.  :P

"List wrath"  I've got a theory that it's a similar concept to "Road Rage".
Because listers don't have to meet each other (much), its easier to sling
mud and make dodgy vernacular gestures without ever considering the
consequences.  I reckon half the people on this list would actually get on
pretty well with the ones they slagg off, if they ever met them. [1]

[1] There will always be exceptions [2]
[2] I hate you all [3]
[3] Not all, just some.[4]
[4] I may have loved those people in a previous life


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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Atkinson, Daniel


> Take it either way.  I don't really care, but I'm not going to rely on
> this list to tell me how my licensing works for my company.

nor would i. 

i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that into
consideration along with what MS and the vendor says.

maybe i'm wrong, but your response seems paranoid and unhelfpful. that said,
i'm sorry if I've offended you. 

dan.

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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Robert Moir




> -Original Message-
> From: Atkinson, Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: 05 October 2001 15:32
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Licensing
> 
> 
> > Take it either way.  I don't really care, but I'm not going 
> to rely on 
> > this list to tell me how my licensing works for my company.
> 
> nor would i. 
> 
> i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that 
> into consideration along with what MS and the vendor says.
> 
> maybe i'm wrong, but your response seems paranoid and 
> unhelfpful. that said, i'm sorry if I've offended you. 

But that's a natural reaction to previous licence horror stories that we've
seen on the list[1] rather than anything personal against you.

[1] and of course for the stories to get to the list, some have had personal
experience.

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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Renouf, Phillip


There is nothing to consider. What MS and your Licensing rep say is all
there is to it. It doesn't matter if what they've told me is different from
what they told you, what they tell you is the licensing you are bound to. 

There is nothing to consider about that.

The only person qualified to talk to you about licensing is the sales rep
you buy your licenses from. Not even an MS licensing sales guy on this list
can tell you what your licensing scheme is.

Hell even our MS sales guy refers us to our licensing rep when we have
licensing questions!

Phil

> i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that into
> consideration along with what MS and the vendor says.

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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Stephen Mynhier


"i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that into
consideration along with what MS and the vendor says."?

Think through that statement again.  When it comes to something like
licensing, who gives a flip what anyone here says versus what MS says?  We
can't bust you for a license violation.  And if you're not going to rely on
it, why ask?

Stephen

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> Take it either way.  I don't really care, but I'm not going to rely on 
> this list to tell me how my licensing works for my company.

nor would i. 

i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that into
consideration along with what MS and the vendor says.

maybe i'm wrong, but your response seems paranoid and unhelfpful. that said,
i'm sorry if I've offended you. 

dan.

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exchange 5.5 and proxy to isa upgrade

2001-10-05 Thread bentley


We are looking to upgrade our  NT 4.6a proxy 2.0 to a w2k isa server.  Do
we need to make any changes to our 5.5 exch (specifically the wspcfg.ini
files) for our mail to still go through the IMC that is behind the
proxy\isa?  I have read that we can disable the proxy services which will
allow us to simply upgrade to w2k and then install isa (no removal of
proxy) has anyone tried this?  Does it manage to keep any configurations
from the proxy 2 and pass them on to the isa?

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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread John Allhiser


No soup for you!

John Allhiser MCSE CCNA
Network Engineer 
Business Men's Assurance
 

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> Possible corruption of the store.

Hmmm...

> Increased tape drive usage, which will result in a shorter lifespan for
your
> tape drive.

Uh huh..

> The wrath of the list.  :P

"List wrath"  I've got a theory that it's a similar concept to "Road Rage".
Because listers don't have to meet each other (much), its easier to sling
mud and make dodgy vernacular gestures without ever considering the
consequences.  I reckon half the people on this list would actually get on
pretty well with the ones they slagg off, if they ever met them. [1]

[1] There will always be exceptions [2]
[2] I hate you all [3]
[3] Not all, just some.[4]
[4] I may have loved those people in a previous life


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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Don Ely


Pretty tough to offend me... So no apology necessary.  :o)

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Daniel
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> Take it either way.  I don't really care, but I'm not going to rely on

> this list to tell me how my licensing works for my company.

nor would i. 

i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that into
consideration along with what MS and the vendor says.

maybe i'm wrong, but your response seems paranoid and unhelfpful. that
said, i'm sorry if I've offended you. 

dan.

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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Don Ely


Your head must hurt...
Cuz you drank too much.
Was a good night, eh.

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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Ali Wilkes (IT)


My head does not hurt
I only drink coffee so
I am just jumpy

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Your head must hurt...
Cuz you drank too much.
Was a good night, eh.

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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Drewski


p'raps it had something to do with the Mad-dog 2020 you were suckin' down
last night?  :P

Drew

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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Hatley, Ken


Perhaps excessive beer last night in preparation for excessive sleep...why
are you sending emails to Exchange if it's your day off?
-dumb

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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Stephen Mynhier


Coffee sounds good now
Hard to think in 5 - 7 - 5
Asleep but upright


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My head does not hurt
I only drink coffee so
I am just jumpy

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Your head must hurt...
Cuz you drank too much.
Was a good night, eh.

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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Bowles, John L.


Dude, do any of you guys still chug on that S***?  Man I just had flashbacks
of high school again.

 
John Bowles
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Celera Genomics
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p'raps it had something to do with the Mad-dog 2020 you were suckin' down
last night?  :P

Drew

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other. (Mother Theresa)

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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Stephen Mynhier


Mmmm... Peppermint schnapps... Breakfast of champions! ;-)

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p'raps it had something to do with the Mad-dog 2020 you were suckin' down
last night?  :P

Drew

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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Martin Blackstone


cRaZy 8's - Olde English 800!!

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Dude, do any of you guys still chug on that S***?  Man I just had
flashbacks of high school again.

 
John Bowles
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Celera Genomics
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p'raps it had something to do with the Mad-dog 2020 you were suckin'
down last night?  :P

Drew

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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville


Posting twice, Go punish your self

>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:14 AM
>>>To: Exchange Discussions
>>>Subject: RE: Restore
>>>
>>>
>>>What are these new solutions???
>>>Unless something has changed, BLB is still the same as it 
>>>always wasBAD
>>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:02 AM
>>To: Exchange Discussions
>>Subject: Re: Restore
>>
>>
>>It is time for people here to look a bit beyond "BLB is bad". the 
>>market has many new solutions,
>>and an admin can backup both: ntbackup and BLB, for example.
>>
>>
>>- Original Message -
>>From: "Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville" 
>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:34 PM
>>Subject: RE: Restore
>>
>>
>>> Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange
>>admin needs
>>BLB's
>>> then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.
>>>
>>> >>>-Original Message-
>>> >>>From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>> >>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
>>> >>>To: Exchange Discussions
>>> >>>Subject: Re: Restore
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>How can you know it will always a bad thing?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>- Original Message -
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>>> >>>To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> >>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
>>> >>>Subject: RE: Restore
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>>  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
>>> 
>>>  -Original Message-
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>>>  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
>>Behalf Of David N.
>>>  Precht
>>>  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
>>>  To: Exchange Discussions
>>>  Subject: RE: Restore
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be
>>true in 2k ?
>>> 
>>>  -Original Message-
>>>  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>>> >>>Van Huissteden,
>>>  Adriaan
>>>  Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56
>>>  To: Exchange Discussions
>>>  Subject: Restore
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
>>> >>>Exchange Server 2K?
>>>  Thanks
>>> 
>>>  Adriaan Van Huissteden
>>> 
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>>>  Connect Credit Union
>>>  Phone: (03) 6233 0660
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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Bowles, John L.


Ain't nothing like some 99 cent 8 Ball...lol woo hooo

 
John Bowles
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-Original Message-
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cRaZy 8's - Olde English 800!!

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Dude, do any of you guys still chug on that S***?  Man I just had
flashbacks of high school again.

 
John Bowles
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Celera Genomics
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   
 
 


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p'raps it had something to do with the Mad-dog 2020 you were suckin'
down last night?  :P

Drew

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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Stephen Mynhier


I got up to check my email so now I am sitting here half asleep trying to
figure out what it was that I "had to do today"...

Besides, why would anyone in their right mind miss Haiku Friday... Hmmm...
Let me rethink that last statement...

Stephen

-Original Message-
From: Hatley, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:48 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Haiku Friday


Perhaps excessive beer last night in preparation for excessive sleep...why
are you sending emails to Exchange if it's your day off? -dumb

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Subject: Haiku Friday

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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Stephen Mynhier


Haven't touched that stuff since HS... And don't think that I ever will
again. 

Stephen

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From: Bowles, John L. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:52 AM
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Dude, do any of you guys still chug on that S***?  Man I just had flashbacks
of high school again.

 
John Bowles
Exchange Administrator
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Celera Genomics
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-Original Message-
From: Drewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:51 AM
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Subject: RE: Haiku Friday


p'raps it had something to do with the Mad-dog 2020 you were suckin' down
last night?  :P

Drew

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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Bowles, John L.


Yea I know...LOL only thing I can remember is the horrendous hangovers and
taking 2 days to recover.

 
John Bowles
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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Atkinson, Daniel


well, i 'give a flip', that's why i asked! of course we talk to the
licensing rep, but I asked because:

a) the licensing reps don't always sound entirely convincing
b) the information on the MS site is ambiguous
c) there's nothing about licensing in the FAQ
d) i didn't think anyone would mind.


> "i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that into
> consideration along with what MS and the vendor says."?
> 
> Think through that statement again.  When it comes to something like
> licensing, who gives a flip what anyone here says versus what 
> MS says?  We
> can't bust you for a license violation.  And if you're not 
> going to rely on
> it, why ask?
> 
> Stephen
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Atkinson, Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:32 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Licensing
> 
> 
> > Take it either way.  I don't really care, but I'm not going 
> to rely on 
> > this list to tell me how my licensing works for my company.
> 
> nor would i. 
> 
> i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that into
> consideration along with what MS and the vendor says.
> 
> maybe i'm wrong, but your response seems paranoid and 
> unhelfpful. that said,
> i'm sorry if I've offended you. 
> 
> dan.
> 
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RE: exchange FOLDERS

2001-10-05 Thread Soysal, Serdar


Non-Governmental Organization

-Original Message-
From: David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 8:28 PM
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Subject: RE: exchange FOLDERS


NGO ?

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Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 10:03 
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I guess you didn't know that Microsoft is actually a non-profit NGO.

-Original Message-
From: Les Bessant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:42 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: exchange FOLDERS


What?? A huge company in it for the money? Say it's not so!



>-Original Message-
>From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 9:40 PM
>To: Exchange Discussions
>Subject: RE: exchange FOLDERS
>
>
>No I did research TechNet a long time ago and they gave me 3 
>resources that
>had to do with my error on OWA but it seems like it didn't apply to my
>problem.  Plus I really don't think Microsoft is that great 
>when it comes to
>helping people with their software, sometimes it seems to me 
>that they are
>in it for the money.  Its kind of ridiculous when you can only 
>get support
>from Microsoft if you pay a monthly or yearly fee.  
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 4:22 PM
>To: Exchange Discussions
>Subject: RE: eXCHANGE FOLDERS
>
>
>That's it!!  I am hereby relinquishing my "tech buddy" assistance.  It
>has become apparent that you do not care to learn for yourself and I as
>well as the rest of us are NOT going to baby you through Exchange.
>
>Maybe...  Just maybe if you had one inkling of a clue you'd know how to
>search TechNet and other resources for such matters.  I've never had a
>great deal of trouble researching TechNet.  In fact, I find very useful
>information there almost daily as I would imagine others 
>around here do.
>Maybe the problem is NOT TechNet, but YOU.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of 
>Tener, Richard
>Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 1:13 PM
>To: Exchange Discussions
>Subject: RE: eXCHANGE FOLDERS
>
>
>yea I can never find crap that I want on technet.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 4:02 PM
>To: Exchange Discussions
>Subject: RE: eXCHANGE FOLDERS
>
>
>Hanji Jr., 
>No it's not...Have you been introduced to TechNet, yet?
>www.microsoft.com/technet  
>
>Matthew
>Exchange Disaster Recovery, Live it, Learn It, Love It, Get 
>yours today!
>http://www.microsoft.com/TechNet/exchange/technote/edrv3p1.asp
>
>"Besides the technical limitations on the PST (remember the P 
>stands for
>Personal, that means you're responsible not the mail admin)..." Jim
>Schwartz 8-16-01
>
>
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Does anyone know if the exchsrvr directory is shared by default.

Thanks
Rich

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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Joel Musheno


I cant belive your talkin about gut-rot god that stuff was nasty...
HS days were the old 40's of OE!  What a bunch of posers we were.

-Original Message-
From: Stephen Mynhier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 11:03 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Haiku Friday


Haven't touched that stuff since HS... And don't think that I ever will
again. 

Stephen

-Original Message-
From: Bowles, John L. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:52 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Haiku Friday


Dude, do any of you guys still chug on that S***?  Man I just had
flashbacks
of high school again.

 
John Bowles
Exchange Administrator
Enterprise Support & Engineering
Celera Genomics
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   
 
 


-Original Message-
From: Drewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:51 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Haiku Friday


p'raps it had something to do with the Mad-dog 2020 you were suckin'
down
last night?  :P

Drew

If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to
each
other. (Mother Theresa)

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if
you don't trust enough." - Frank Crane

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Subject: Haiku Friday


I rolled out of bed.
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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Drewski


just so long as it isn't Jaegermeister.  Oy.

So, just to keep things on topic:  I hear BLB sucks.

Drew

If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each
other. (Mother Theresa)

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What this country needs is someone who knows what this country needs.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stephen Mynhier
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:59 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Haiku Friday


Mmmm... Peppermint schnapps... Breakfast of champions! ;-)

-Original Message-
From: Drewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:51 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Haiku Friday


p'raps it had something to do with the Mad-dog 2020 you were suckin' down
last night?  :P

Drew

If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each
other. (Mother Theresa)

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you don't trust enough." - Frank Crane

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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Bowles, John L.


I know trying to act all hard drinking that nasty a$$ stuff.  Unbelievable.

 
John Bowles
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-Original Message-
From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 11:01 AM
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Subject: RE: Haiku Friday


I cant belive your talkin about gut-rot god that stuff was nasty...
HS days were the old 40's of OE!  What a bunch of posers we were.

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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Drewski


a) Yeah, isn't that annoying?!?
b) yep.  Because it's always changing.
c) because that would grant an even greater liability -- people who didn't
know about the list could find our 'recommendation' and get into trouble
without having the luck to ask us in 'person'.
d) mind is a funny word... :P

As unconvincing as your licensing rep sounds, her/his word is the final
word.  Sorry.

Drew

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other. (Mother Theresa)

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If we in our turn plan on militarism, vengeance, and retaliation, if we
steel our spirits against the suffering which such pursuits always cause to
the innocent, in short, if we turn to the tools of death, then whatever
hollow triumph we may trumpet, it will have been Death alone which has
won. --G. Simon Harak, Jesuit Priest interviewed 9/21 in NY

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Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:57 AM
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well, i 'give a flip', that's why i asked! of course we talk to the
licensing rep, but I asked because:

a) the licensing reps don't always sound entirely convincing
b) the information on the MS site is ambiguous
c) there's nothing about licensing in the FAQ
d) i didn't think anyone would mind.


> "i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that into
> consideration along with what MS and the vendor says."?
>
> Think through that statement again.  When it comes to something like
> licensing, who gives a flip what anyone here says versus what
> MS says?  We
> can't bust you for a license violation.  And if you're not
> going to rely on
> it, why ask?
>
> Stephen
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Atkinson, Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:32 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Licensing
>
>
> > Take it either way.  I don't really care, but I'm not going
> to rely on
> > this list to tell me how my licensing works for my company.
>
> nor would i.
>
> i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that into
> consideration along with what MS and the vendor says.
>
> maybe i'm wrong, but your response seems paranoid and
> unhelfpful. that said,
> i'm sorry if I've offended you.
>
> dan.
>
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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Martin Blackstone


I had a girl friend that would drink it by the glass.
One time I came in dying of thirst. Grabbed a glass of coke and chugged
a mouthful. Oops, that was Jaeger! I then proceeded to blow chunks all
over the floor.

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just so long as it isn't Jaegermeister.  Oy.

So, just to keep things on topic:  I hear BLB sucks.

Drew

If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to
each other. (Mother Theresa)

KWAR2001 website: www.schoolofdefence.org/kwar.html
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What this country needs is someone who knows what this country needs.

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Mmmm... Peppermint schnapps... Breakfast of champions! ;-)

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From: Drewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Haiku Friday


p'raps it had something to do with the Mad-dog 2020 you were suckin'
down last night?  :P

Drew

If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to
each other. (Mother Theresa)

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if you don't trust enough." - Frank Crane

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I rolled out of bed.
I don't have to work today.
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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Joel Musheno


now im 22 w/ the stomach of an 80yr old woman... smart, joel.

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I know trying to act all hard drinking that nasty a$$ stuff.
Unbelievable.

 
John Bowles
Exchange Administrator
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Celera Genomics
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   
 
 


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I cant belive your talkin about gut-rot god that stuff was nasty...
HS days were the old 40's of OE!  What a bunch of posers we were.

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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville


Bricked Backups do Suck,
You Need a better solution,
BLB won't do!

Ed's Never Restore
And DumpsterAlwaysOn is,
All you need, Hanji.



>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Stephen Mynhier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 11:03 AM
>>>To: Exchange Discussions
>>>Subject: RE: Haiku Friday
>>>
>>>
>>>Haven't touched that stuff since HS... And don't think that 
>>>I ever will again. 
>>>
>>>Stephen
>>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Bowles, John L. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:52 AM
>>>To: Exchange Discussions
>>>Subject: RE: Haiku Friday
>>>
>>>
>>>Dude, do any of you guys still chug on that S***?  Man I 
>>>just had flashbacks of high school again.
>>>
>>> 
>>>John Bowles
>>>Exchange Administrator
>>>Enterprise Support & Engineering
>>>Celera Genomics
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>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Drewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:51 AM
>>>To: Exchange Discussions
>>>Subject: RE: Haiku Friday
>>>
>>>
>>>p'raps it had something to do with the Mad-dog 2020 you were 
>>>suckin' down last night?  :P
>>>
>>>Drew
>>>
>>>If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we 
>>>belong to each other. (Mother Theresa)
>>>
>>>KWAR2001 website: www.schoolofdefence.org/kwar.html
>>>Pics of Max are BACK!  http://www.drewncapris.net
>>>
>>>"You may be deceived if you trust too much, but you will 
>>>live in torment if you don't trust enough." - Frank Crane
>>>
>>>-Original Message-
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>>>Stephen Mynhier
>>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:33 AM
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>>>Subject: Haiku Friday
>>>
>>>
>>>I rolled out of bed.
>>>I don't have to work today.
>>>Why must my head hurt?
>>>
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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread Bowles, John L.


LOL LOL LOL LOL that's a classic.  Man that is hilarious.  Ahh
the good ole days.

 
John Bowles
Exchange Administrator
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-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 11:03 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Haiku Friday


I had a girl friend that would drink it by the glass.
One time I came in dying of thirst. Grabbed a glass of coke and chugged
a mouthful. Oops, that was Jaeger! I then proceeded to blow chunks all
over the floor.

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just so long as it isn't Jaegermeister.  Oy.

So, just to keep things on topic:  I hear BLB sucks.

Drew

If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to
each other. (Mother Theresa)

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What this country needs is someone who knows what this country needs.

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Mmmm... Peppermint schnapps... Breakfast of champions! ;-)

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p'raps it had something to do with the Mad-dog 2020 you were suckin'
down last night?  :P

Drew

If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to
each other. (Mother Theresa)

KWAR2001 website: www.schoolofdefence.org/kwar.html
Pics of Max are BACK!  http://www.drewncapris.net

"You may be deceived if you trust too much, but you will live in torment
if you don't trust enough." - Frank Crane

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I rolled out of bed.
I don't have to work today.
Why must my head hurt?

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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Atkinson, Daniel


a) damn right
b) poor excuse for crap MS policy and dissemination of info
c) i was thinking more along the lines of 'discussion of licensing isn't
popular on the list, talk to your rep'
d) in the west of england, people say 'mind' at the end of most sentences,
pronounced 'moynd'.

:)

> a) Yeah, isn't that annoying?!?
> b) yep.  Because it's always changing.
> c) because that would grant an even greater liability -- 
> people who didn't
> know about the list could find our 'recommendation' and get 
> into trouble
> without having the luck to ask us in 'person'.
> d) mind is a funny word... :P
> 
> As unconvincing as your licensing rep sounds, her/his word is 
> the final
> word.  Sorry.
> 
> Drew
> 
> If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we 
> belong to each
> other. (Mother Theresa)
> 
> KWAR2001 website: www.schoolofdefence.org/kwar.html
> Pics of Max are BACK!  http://www.drewncapris.net
> 
> If we in our turn plan on militarism, vengeance, and 
> retaliation, if we
> steel our spirits against the suffering which such pursuits 
> always cause to
> the innocent, in short, if we turn to the tools of death, 
> then whatever
> hollow triumph we may trumpet, it will have been Death alone which has
> won. --G. Simon Harak, Jesuit Priest interviewed 9/21 in NY
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of 
> Atkinson, Daniel
> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:57 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Licensing
> 
> 
> well, i 'give a flip', that's why i asked! of course we talk to the
> licensing rep, but I asked because:
> 
> a) the licensing reps don't always sound entirely convincing
> b) the information on the MS site is ambiguous
> c) there's nothing about licensing in the FAQ
> d) i didn't think anyone would mind.
> 
> 
> > "i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that into
> > consideration along with what MS and the vendor says."?
> >
> > Think through that statement again.  When it comes to something like
> > licensing, who gives a flip what anyone here says versus what
> > MS says?  We
> > can't bust you for a license violation.  And if you're not
> > going to rely on
> > it, why ask?
> >
> > Stephen
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Atkinson, Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:32 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Licensing
> >
> >
> > > Take it either way.  I don't really care, but I'm not going
> > to rely on
> > > this list to tell me how my licensing works for my company.
> >
> > nor would i.
> >
> > i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that into
> > consideration along with what MS and the vendor says.
> >
> > maybe i'm wrong, but your response seems paranoid and
> > unhelfpful. that said,
> > i'm sorry if I've offended you.
> >
> > dan.
> >
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RE: Licensing OH, FAQ GHODS!

2001-10-05 Thread Drewski


Well, that's a good idea.

OH GREAT AND POWERFUL FAQ GHODS!  HEAR MY ENTREATY!  I WILL SACRIFICE A
BRICK LEVEL BACKUP AND THREE CUSTOM RECIPIENTS IN YOUR HONOR!!!

Could we have a bit in the FAQ that says "xx.x Licensing: only your rep
knows for sure" or something like that?

THE FAQ GHODS ARE BENIFICENT AND POWERFUL!!!  FEAR THEM, WORSHIP THEM, BOW
DOWN TO THEM!!!  THERE IS NO DANA, THERE IS ONLY THE FAQ GHODS!

We will now turn to the FAQ, section 2, part b.  Please rise whilst we sing
the recessional.

Drew

If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each
other. (Mother Theresa)

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As You Shall Make Your Bed So Shall You... Mess It Up.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:08 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Licensing


a) damn right
b) poor excuse for crap MS policy and dissemination of info
c) i was thinking more along the lines of 'discussion of licensing isn't
popular on the list, talk to your rep'
d) in the west of england, people say 'mind' at the end of most sentences,
pronounced 'moynd'.

:)

> a) Yeah, isn't that annoying?!?
> b) yep.  Because it's always changing.
> c) because that would grant an even greater liability --
> people who didn't
> know about the list could find our 'recommendation' and get
> into trouble
> without having the luck to ask us in 'person'.
> d) mind is a funny word... :P
>
> As unconvincing as your licensing rep sounds, her/his word is
> the final
> word.  Sorry.
>
> Drew
> 
> If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we
> belong to each
> other. (Mother Theresa)
> 
> KWAR2001 website: www.schoolofdefence.org/kwar.html
> Pics of Max are BACK!  http://www.drewncapris.net
> 
> If we in our turn plan on militarism, vengeance, and
> retaliation, if we
> steel our spirits against the suffering which such pursuits
> always cause to
> the innocent, in short, if we turn to the tools of death,
> then whatever
> hollow triumph we may trumpet, it will have been Death alone which has
> won. --G. Simon Harak, Jesuit Priest interviewed 9/21 in NY
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Atkinson, Daniel
> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:57 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Licensing
>
>
> well, i 'give a flip', that's why i asked! of course we talk to the
> licensing rep, but I asked because:
>
> a) the licensing reps don't always sound entirely convincing
> b) the information on the MS site is ambiguous
> c) there's nothing about licensing in the FAQ
> d) i didn't think anyone would mind.
>
>
> > "i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that into
> > consideration along with what MS and the vendor says."?
> >
> > Think through that statement again.  When it comes to something like
> > licensing, who gives a flip what anyone here says versus what
> > MS says?  We
> > can't bust you for a license violation.  And if you're not
> > going to rely on
> > it, why ask?
> >
> > Stephen
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Atkinson, Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:32 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Licensing
> >
> >
> > > Take it either way.  I don't really care, but I'm not going
> > to rely on
> > > this list to tell me how my licensing works for my company.
> >
> > nor would i.
> >
> > i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that into
> > consideration along with what MS and the vendor says.
> >
> > maybe i'm wrong, but your response seems paranoid and
> > unhelfpful. that said,
> > i'm sorry if I've offended you.
> >
> > dan.
> >
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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Don Ely


D) They also say mind at the beginning of one.  Like "Mind the Gap"  ;o)

-Original Message-
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Daniel
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Subject: RE: Licensing


a) damn right
b) poor excuse for crap MS policy and dissemination of info
c) i was thinking more along the lines of 'discussion of licensing isn't
popular on the list, talk to your rep'
d) in the west of england, people say 'mind' at the end of most
sentences, pronounced 'moynd'.

:)

> a) Yeah, isn't that annoying?!?
> b) yep.  Because it's always changing.
> c) because that would grant an even greater liability --
> people who didn't
> know about the list could find our 'recommendation' and get 
> into trouble
> without having the luck to ask us in 'person'.
> d) mind is a funny word... :P
> 
> As unconvincing as your licensing rep sounds, her/his word is
> the final
> word.  Sorry.
> 
> Drew
> 
> If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we
> belong to each
> other. (Mother Theresa)
> 
> KWAR2001 website: www.schoolofdefence.org/kwar.html
> Pics of Max are BACK!  http://www.drewncapris.net
> 
> If we in our turn plan on militarism, vengeance, and 
> retaliation, if we
> steel our spirits against the suffering which such pursuits 
> always cause to
> the innocent, in short, if we turn to the tools of death, 
> then whatever
> hollow triumph we may trumpet, it will have been Death alone which has
> won. --G. Simon Harak, Jesuit Priest interviewed 9/21 in NY
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Atkinson, Daniel
> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:57 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Licensing
> 
> 
> well, i 'give a flip', that's why i asked! of course we talk to the 
> licensing rep, but I asked because:
> 
> a) the licensing reps don't always sound entirely convincing
> b) the information on the MS site is ambiguous
> c) there's nothing about licensing in the FAQ
> d) i didn't think anyone would mind.
> 
> 
> > "i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that into 
> > consideration along with what MS and the vendor says."?
> >
> > Think through that statement again.  When it comes to something like

> > licensing, who gives a flip what anyone here says versus what MS 
> > says?  We can't bust you for a license violation.  And if you're not
> > going to rely on
> > it, why ask?
> >
> > Stephen
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Atkinson, Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:32 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Licensing
> >
> >
> > > Take it either way.  I don't really care, but I'm not going
> > to rely on
> > > this list to tell me how my licensing works for my company.
> >
> > nor would i.
> >
> > i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that into 
> > consideration along with what MS and the vendor says.
> >
> > maybe i'm wrong, but your response seems paranoid and unhelfpful. 
> > that said, i'm sorry if I've offended you.
> >
> > dan.
> >
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RE: Licensing OH, FAQ GHODS!

2001-10-05 Thread Martin Blackstone

Sacrifice BLB's to the gods? Are you trying to anger them Drew?

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Subject: RE: Licensing OH, FAQ GHODS!

OH GREAT AND POWERFUL FAQ GHODS!  HEAR MY ENTREATY!  I WILL SACRIFICE A
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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Atkinson, Daniel


> D) They also say mind at the beginning of one.  Like "Mind 
> the Gap"  ;o)

you'd be amazed. people say things like:

mind yourself there, mind.

i don't mind you, but your friends no fun, mind.




> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Atkinson,
> Daniel
> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:08 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Licensing
> 
> 
> a) damn right
> b) poor excuse for crap MS policy and dissemination of info
> c) i was thinking more along the lines of 'discussion of 
> licensing isn't
> popular on the list, talk to your rep'
> d) in the west of england, people say 'mind' at the end of most
> sentences, pronounced 'moynd'.
> 
> :)
> 
> > a) Yeah, isn't that annoying?!?
> > b) yep.  Because it's always changing.
> > c) because that would grant an even greater liability --
> > people who didn't
> > know about the list could find our 'recommendation' and get 
> > into trouble
> > without having the luck to ask us in 'person'.
> > d) mind is a funny word... :P
> > 
> > As unconvincing as your licensing rep sounds, her/his word is
> > the final
> > word.  Sorry.
> > 
> > Drew
> > 
> > If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we
> > belong to each
> > other. (Mother Theresa)
> > 
> > KWAR2001 website: www.schoolofdefence.org/kwar.html
> > Pics of Max are BACK!  http://www.drewncapris.net
> > 
> > If we in our turn plan on militarism, vengeance, and 
> > retaliation, if we
> > steel our spirits against the suffering which such pursuits 
> > always cause to
> > the innocent, in short, if we turn to the tools of death, 
> > then whatever
> > hollow triumph we may trumpet, it will have been Death 
> alone which has
> > won. --G. Simon Harak, Jesuit Priest interviewed 9/21 in NY
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Atkinson, Daniel
> > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:57 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Licensing
> > 
> > 
> > well, i 'give a flip', that's why i asked! of course we talk to the 
> > licensing rep, but I asked because:
> > 
> > a) the licensing reps don't always sound entirely convincing
> > b) the information on the MS site is ambiguous
> > c) there's nothing about licensing in the FAQ
> > d) i didn't think anyone would mind.
> > 
> > 
> > > "i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that into 
> > > consideration along with what MS and the vendor says."?
> > >
> > > Think through that statement again.  When it comes to 
> something like
> 
> > > licensing, who gives a flip what anyone here says versus what MS 
> > > says?  We can't bust you for a license violation.  And if 
> you're not
> > > going to rely on
> > > it, why ask?
> > >
> > > Stephen
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Atkinson, Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:32 AM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: Licensing
> > >
> > >
> > > > Take it either way.  I don't really care, but I'm not going
> > > to rely on
> > > > this list to tell me how my licensing works for my company.
> > >
> > > nor would i.
> > >
> > > i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that into 
> > > consideration along with what MS and the vendor says.
> > >
> > > maybe i'm wrong, but your response seems paranoid and unhelfpful. 
> > > that said, i'm sorry if I've offended you.
> > >
> > > dan.
> > >
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RE: exchange FOLDERS

2001-10-05 Thread David N. Precht


Thanks, never heard that acronym

-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Soysal, Serdar
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:58 
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: exchange FOLDERS


Non-Governmental Organization

-Original Message-
From: David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 8:28 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: exchange FOLDERS


NGO ?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Soysal, Serdar
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 10:03 
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Subject: RE: exchange FOLDERS



I guess you didn't know that Microsoft is actually a non-profit NGO.

-Original Message-
From: Les Bessant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:42 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: exchange FOLDERS


What?? A huge company in it for the money? Say it's not so!



>-Original Message-
>From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 9:40 PM
>To: Exchange Discussions
>Subject: RE: exchange FOLDERS
>
>
>No I did research TechNet a long time ago and they gave me 3 
>resources that
>had to do with my error on OWA but it seems like it didn't apply to my
>problem.  Plus I really don't think Microsoft is that great 
>when it comes to
>helping people with their software, sometimes it seems to me 
>that they are
>in it for the money.  Its kind of ridiculous when you can only 
>get support
>from Microsoft if you pay a monthly or yearly fee.  
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 4:22 PM
>To: Exchange Discussions
>Subject: RE: eXCHANGE FOLDERS
>
>
>That's it!!  I am hereby relinquishing my "tech buddy" assistance.  It
>has become apparent that you do not care to learn for yourself and I as
>well as the rest of us are NOT going to baby you through Exchange.
>
>Maybe...  Just maybe if you had one inkling of a clue you'd know how to
>search TechNet and other resources for such matters.  I've never had a
>great deal of trouble researching TechNet.  In fact, I find very useful
>information there almost daily as I would imagine others 
>around here do.
>Maybe the problem is NOT TechNet, but YOU.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of 
>Tener, Richard
>Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 1:13 PM
>To: Exchange Discussions
>Subject: RE: eXCHANGE FOLDERS
>
>
>yea I can never find crap that I want on technet.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 4:02 PM
>To: Exchange Discussions
>Subject: RE: eXCHANGE FOLDERS
>
>
>Hanji Jr., 
>No it's not...Have you been introduced to TechNet, yet?
>www.microsoft.com/technet  
>
>Matthew
>Exchange Disaster Recovery, Live it, Learn It, Love It, Get 
>yours today!
>http://www.microsoft.com/TechNet/exchange/technote/edrv3p1.asp
>
>"Besides the technical limitations on the PST (remember the P 
>stands for
>Personal, that means you're responsible not the mail admin)..." Jim
>Schwartz 8-16-01
>
>
-Original Message-
From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 4:02 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: eXCHANGE FOLDERS




Does anyone know if the exchsrvr directory is shared by default.

Thanks
Rich

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RE: Licensing OH, FAQ GHODS!

2001-10-05 Thread Drewski


If I sacrifice one, it can't be used.  Isn't that the point?

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Martin
Blackstone
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:17 AM
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Subject: RE: Licensing OH, FAQ GHODS!


Sacrifice BLB's to the gods? Are you trying to anger them Drew?

-Original Message-
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Subject: RE: Licensing OH, FAQ GHODS!


OH GREAT AND POWERFUL FAQ GHODS!  HEAR MY ENTREATY!  I WILL SACRIFICE A
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RE: mailbox causes Outlook to freeze

2001-10-05 Thread Kirsten . Petersen


Guess I should clarify a bit.  This problem is happening on different
machines, so it has nothing to do with her profile or with a PST.  I can
create a new profile on a computer that she has never used, setting it up
for her mailbox.  Then, when I open Outlook as her, glack! 

-Kirsten

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 5:19 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: mailbox causes Outlook to freeze


Can anyone think of a reason that a mailbox could cause Outlook to freeze
up?  We're using Exchange 5.5 SP4, and the client is Outlook 2000.  If I add
the user's mailbox to my profile, I can open it up fine.  When I create a
new profile with the user's mailbox as the primary, and then open Outlook,
Outlook freezes up.  It opens the mailbox and I can see the mail, but
Outlook no longer responds.

This was reported to me by the user's support folks, and they tried it on
two different machines.  I tried it on my workstation as well with the same
results.  Nothing about the mailbox looks strange.  It only has about 11
Megs of data.  Permissions settings look correct.  I would just say "let's
try recreating the mailbox" but the user is at a remote location, so that
might be difficult to arrange with her.  

If anyone has any insights, I would love to hear them.  This is about the
sixty-thousandth wierd problem I have had today and my brain has turned to
jelly. 

Thanks,
-Kirsten

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RE: mailbox causes Outlook to freeze

2001-10-05 Thread Drewski


If you can open it up yourself, I'd do that, export it all to PST, blow the
mailbox away, recreate and put the info back into the new mailbox.  You
should be able to do that without too much problems for her -- other than
being without her mailbox for a while.

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:31 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: mailbox causes Outlook to freeze


Guess I should clarify a bit.  This problem is happening on different
machines, so it has nothing to do with her profile or with a PST.  I can
create a new profile on a computer that she has never used, setting it up
for her mailbox.  Then, when I open Outlook as her, glack!

-Kirsten

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 5:19 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: mailbox causes Outlook to freeze


Can anyone think of a reason that a mailbox could cause Outlook to freeze
up?  We're using Exchange 5.5 SP4, and the client is Outlook 2000.  If I add
the user's mailbox to my profile, I can open it up fine.  When I create a
new profile with the user's mailbox as the primary, and then open Outlook,
Outlook freezes up.  It opens the mailbox and I can see the mail, but
Outlook no longer responds.

This was reported to me by the user's support folks, and they tried it on
two different machines.  I tried it on my workstation as well with the same
results.  Nothing about the mailbox looks strange.  It only has about 11
Megs of data.  Permissions settings look correct.  I would just say "let's
try recreating the mailbox" but the user is at a remote location, so that
might be difficult to arrange with her.

If anyone has any insights, I would love to hear them.  This is about the
sixty-thousandth wierd problem I have had today and my brain has turned to
jelly.

Thanks,
-Kirsten

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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Herrick, Michael


Why BLB = BAD. A true tale from my last company.
After 3 months of banging their heads, the idiots at a remote site got BLB &
restores to work in test. So they ran it on the production box. I was
adamant that the Exchange online backup be run first. That took about 2-3
hours. The BLB took over 12 hours.

So, the VP needed a message restored from the previous day that was
shift-deleted. Can't do it yet. BLB was still in progress. He has to wait.
The next day, they restore his mailbox. And the message was not there! VP is
unhappy. So they go to the next day's tape (a day later). Still no message.
Seems like it came and went between BLB's. VP is now beyond irate. Calls the
CIO. Who calls me. I have DumpsterAlwaysOn. Go into VP's mailbox and give
him his message in 2 minutes.

Oh yes, most of their problems were permissions/UghServe related. So the
full restore did not work. While they had "practiced" restores, they never
opened a mailbox. Just accepted the logging information that the restore was
complete.

Do not waste your time on BLB. Deleted Items Retention, DumpsterAlwaysOn on
an admin workstation, Circular logging OFF. Practice restores. Read the FAQ.
Sleep easy. And keep the untrained away from the server.

Michael Herrick
Groton CIT Messaging Services
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: Drewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:40 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore


Possible corruption of the store.

Increased tape drive usage, which will result in a shorter lifespan for your
tape drive.

The wrath of the list.  :P

Drew

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Amir El Aziq
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:04 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Restore


Scenario:
5 users in the organisation.
1 server for file/print/email
Full Online Exchange backup every night.
Exchange BLB every night also.
Data backup every night.
All backups complete in 3 hours, on 1 tape.

Please explain to me why doing a BLB is bad in this scenario.


> -Original Message-
> From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 05 October 2001 12:35
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Restore
>
>
> Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange admin needs
BLB's
> then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.
>
> >>>-Original Message-
> >>>From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
> >>>To: Exchange Discussions
> >>>Subject: Re: Restore
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>How can you know it will always a bad thing?
> >>>
> >>>- Original Message -
> >>>From: "Don Ely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
> >>>Subject: RE: Restore
> >>>
> >>>
>  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
> 
>  -Original Message-
>  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David N.
>  Precht
>  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
>  To: Exchange Discussions
>  Subject: RE: Restore
> 
> 
>  Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in 2k ?
> 
>  -Original Message-
>  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> >>>Van Huissteden,
>  Adriaan
>  Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56
>  To: Exchange Discussions
>  Subject: Restore
> 
> 
>  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
> >>>Exchange Server 2K?
>  Thanks
> 
>  Adriaan Van Huissteden
> 
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>  Connect Credit Union
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RE: mailbox causes Outlook to freeze

2001-10-05 Thread Bowles, John L.


Is this person running any server side rules?  I know that we have some
users here that have a ton of SSR's and it hoses their Outlooks up all the
time.

 
John Bowles
Exchange Administrator
Enterprise Support & Engineering
Celera Genomics
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   
 
 


-Original Message-
From: Drewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 11:36 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: mailbox causes Outlook to freeze


If you can open it up yourself, I'd do that, export it all to PST, blow the
mailbox away, recreate and put the info back into the new mailbox.  You
should be able to do that without too much problems for her -- other than
being without her mailbox for a while.

Drew

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:31 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: mailbox causes Outlook to freeze


Guess I should clarify a bit.  This problem is happening on different
machines, so it has nothing to do with her profile or with a PST.  I can
create a new profile on a computer that she has never used, setting it up
for her mailbox.  Then, when I open Outlook as her, glack!

-Kirsten

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 5:19 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: mailbox causes Outlook to freeze


Can anyone think of a reason that a mailbox could cause Outlook to freeze
up?  We're using Exchange 5.5 SP4, and the client is Outlook 2000.  If I add
the user's mailbox to my profile, I can open it up fine.  When I create a
new profile with the user's mailbox as the primary, and then open Outlook,
Outlook freezes up.  It opens the mailbox and I can see the mail, but
Outlook no longer responds.

This was reported to me by the user's support folks, and they tried it on
two different machines.  I tried it on my workstation as well with the same
results.  Nothing about the mailbox looks strange.  It only has about 11
Megs of data.  Permissions settings look correct.  I would just say "let's
try recreating the mailbox" but the user is at a remote location, so that
might be difficult to arrange with her.

If anyone has any insights, I would love to hear them.  This is about the
sixty-thousandth wierd problem I have had today and my brain has turned to
jelly.

Thanks,
-Kirsten

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RE: Haiku Friday

2001-10-05 Thread David N. Precht


Needs the social interaction.

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hatley, Ken
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:48 
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Haiku Friday


Perhaps excessive beer last night in preparation for excessive sleep...why
are you sending emails to Exchange if it's your day off?
-dumb

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:33 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Haiku Friday

I rolled out of bed.
I don't have to work today.
Why must my head hurt?

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RE: Licensing OH, FAQ GHODS!

2001-10-05 Thread Atkinson, Daniel


i tell you what, you're wasted in IT, get on the tv or something.


> OH GREAT AND POWERFUL FAQ GHODS!  HEAR MY ENTREATY!  I WILL 
> SACRIFICE A
> BRICK LEVEL BACKUP AND THREE CUSTOM RECIPIENTS IN YOUR HONOR!!!
> 
> Could we have a bit in the FAQ that says "xx.x Licensing: 
> only your rep
> knows for sure" or something like that?
> 
> THE FAQ GHODS ARE BENIFICENT AND POWERFUL!!!  FEAR THEM, 
> WORSHIP THEM, BOW
> DOWN TO THEM!!!  THERE IS NO DANA, THERE IS ONLY THE FAQ GHODS!
> 
> We will now turn to the FAQ, section 2, part b.  Please rise 
> whilst we sing
> the recessional.
> 
> Drew
> 
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> belong to each
> other. (Mother Theresa)
> 
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of 
> Atkinson, Daniel
> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:08 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Licensing
> 
> 
> a) damn right
> b) poor excuse for crap MS policy and dissemination of info
> c) i was thinking more along the lines of 'discussion of 
> licensing isn't
> popular on the list, talk to your rep'
> d) in the west of england, people say 'mind' at the end of 
> most sentences,
> pronounced 'moynd'.
> 
> :)
> 
> > a) Yeah, isn't that annoying?!?
> > b) yep.  Because it's always changing.
> > c) because that would grant an even greater liability --
> > people who didn't
> > know about the list could find our 'recommendation' and get
> > into trouble
> > without having the luck to ask us in 'person'.
> > d) mind is a funny word... :P
> >
> > As unconvincing as your licensing rep sounds, her/his word is
> > the final
> > word.  Sorry.
> >
> > Drew
> > 
> > If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we
> > belong to each
> > other. (Mother Theresa)
> > 
> > KWAR2001 website: www.schoolofdefence.org/kwar.html
> > Pics of Max are BACK!  http://www.drewncapris.net
> > 
> > If we in our turn plan on militarism, vengeance, and
> > retaliation, if we
> > steel our spirits against the suffering which such pursuits
> > always cause to
> > the innocent, in short, if we turn to the tools of death,
> > then whatever
> > hollow triumph we may trumpet, it will have been Death 
> alone which has
> > won. --G. Simon Harak, Jesuit Priest interviewed 9/21 in NY
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Atkinson, Daniel
> > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:57 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Licensing
> >
> >
> > well, i 'give a flip', that's why i asked! of course we talk to the
> > licensing rep, but I asked because:
> >
> > a) the licensing reps don't always sound entirely convincing
> > b) the information on the MS site is ambiguous
> > c) there's nothing about licensing in the FAQ
> > d) i didn't think anyone would mind.
> >
> >
> > > "i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that into
> > > consideration along with what MS and the vendor says."?
> > >
> > > Think through that statement again.  When it comes to 
> something like
> > > licensing, who gives a flip what anyone here says versus what
> > > MS says?  We
> > > can't bust you for a license violation.  And if you're not
> > > going to rely on
> > > it, why ask?
> > >
> > > Stephen
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Atkinson, Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:32 AM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: Licensing
> > >
> > >
> > > > Take it either way.  I don't really care, but I'm not going
> > > to rely on
> > > > this list to tell me how my licensing works for my company.
> > >
> > > nor would i.
> > >
> > > i might ask for some friendly advice though, and take that into
> > > consideration along with what MS and the vendor says.
> > >
> > > maybe i'm wrong, but your response seems paranoid and
> > > unhelfpful. that said,
> > > i'm sorry if I've offended you.
> > >
> > > dan.
> > >
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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread David N. Precht

I totally second that opinion !  Could not have said it better
myself.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Herrick,
Michael
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 11:36
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore

Why BLB = BAD. A true tale from my last company.
After 3 months of banging their heads, the idiots at a remote site got BLB &
restores to work in test. So they ran it on the production box. I was
adamant that the Exchange online backup be run first. That took about 2-3
hours. The BLB took over 12 hours.

So, the VP needed a message restored from the previous day that was
shift-deleted. Can't do it yet. BLB was still in progress. He has to wait.
The next day, they restore his mailbox. And the message was not there! VP is
unhappy. So they go to the next day's tape (a day later). Still no message.
Seems like it came and went between BLB's. VP is now beyond irate. Calls the
CIO. Who calls me. I have DumpsterAlwaysOn. Go into VP's mailbox and give
him his message in 2 minutes.

Oh yes, most of their problems were permissions/UghServe related. So the
full restore did not work. While they had "practiced" restores, they never
opened a mailbox. Just accepted the logging information that the restore was
complete.

Do not waste your time on BLB. Deleted Items Retention, DumpsterAlwaysOn on
an admin workstation, Circular logging OFF. Practice restores. Read the FAQ.
Sleep easy. And keep the untrained away from the server.

Michael Herrick
Groton CIT Messaging Services
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: Drewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:40 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore

Possible corruption of the store.

Increased tape drive usage, which will result in a shorter lifespan for your
tape drive.

The wrath of the list.  :P

Drew

If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each
other. (Mother Theresa)

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Francois Eduard Desmahis

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Amir El Aziq
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:04 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Restore

Scenario:
5 users in the organisation.
1 server for file/print/email
Full Online Exchange backup every night.
Exchange BLB every night also.
Data backup every night.
All backups complete in 3 hours, on 1 tape.

Please explain to me why doing a BLB is bad in this scenario.

> -Original Message-
> From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 05 October 2001 12:35
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Restore
>
>
> Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange admin needs
BLB's
> then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.
>
> >>>-Original Message-
> >>>From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
> >>>To: Exchange Discussions
> >>>Subject: Re: Restore
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>How can you know it will always a bad thing?
> >>>
> >>>- Original Message -
> >>>From: "Don Ely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
> >>>Subject: RE: Restore
> >>>
> >>>
>  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
> 
>  -Original Message-
>  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David N.
>  Precht
>  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
>  To: Exchange Discussions
>  Subject: RE: Restore
> 
> 
>  Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be true in 2k ?
> 
>  -Original Message-
>  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> >>>Van Huissteden,
>  Adriaan
>  Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56
>  To: Exchange Discussions
>  Subject: Restore
> 
> 
>  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
> >>>Exchange Server 2K?
>  Thanks
> 
>  Adriaan Van Huissteden
> 
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>  Connect Credit Union
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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread David N. Precht

just MS knowledge gods know MS better than the coders 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Don Ely
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 09:28 
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Licensing

Contact your local vendor who supplied the licensing.  We aren't
authorized MS Licensing dealers here.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Atkinson,
Daniel
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 6:12 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Licensing

Hi,

I'd be grateful if someone could clarify the licensing situation with
exchange, the MS site is not particularly informative in this regard. I
understand that exchange CAL's must be bought 'per-seat' for each device
that will access the server, although academic organisations can buy
'per-mailbox' licensing.

I also understand that a CAL is required for OWA access. How does this
work? What about users checking their mail from internet cafes etc?
Technically, it seems as though you would need a CAL for those machines
as well.

thanks for any info

dan.

Exchange 5.5 sp4
Win2k Advanced Server (2-node cluster)

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MEC next year

2001-10-05 Thread Doug Hampshire


Okay, I missed the keynotes [1] so I never heard where MEC is supposed to be
next year. Since they usually announce it during the final keynote [2], did
anyone pick up its proposed location?

[1] They are inconveniently scheduled during my sleeping time.
[2] This one always falls the morning after the Compaq party [3], I can
pretty much guarantee I'll never be at that one
[3] Andy and I OD'd on Fish Tacos.

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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread David N. Precht


takes too DAMN long... and not worth its weight

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Martin
Blackstone
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:14 
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Restore


What are these new solutions???
Unless something has changed, BLB is still the same as it always
wasBAD

>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:02 AM
>>>To: Exchange Discussions
>>>Subject: Re: Restore
>>>
>>>
>>>It is time for people here to look a bit beyond "BLB is
>>>bad". the market has
>>>many new solutions,
>>>and an admin can backup both: ntbackup and BLB, for example.
>>>
>>>
>>>- Original Message -
>>>From: "Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:34 PM
>>>Subject: RE: Restore
>>>
>>>
 Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange
>>>admin needs
>>>BLB's
 then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.

 >>>-Original Message-
 >>>From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 >>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
 >>>To: Exchange Discussions
 >>>Subject: Re: Restore
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>How can you know it will always a bad thing?
 >>>
 >>>- Original Message -
 >>>From: "Don Ely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 >>>To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 >>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
 >>>Subject: RE: Restore
 >>>
 >>>
  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
>>>Behalf Of David N.
  Precht
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be
>>>true in 2k ?
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 >>>Van Huissteden,
  Adriaan
  Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Restore
 
 
  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
 >>>Exchange Server 2K?
  Thanks
 
  Adriaan Van Huissteden
 
  Network Administrator
  Connect Credit Union
  Phone: (03) 6233 0660
 
 
  
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RE: Can I not do this?

2001-10-05 Thread David N. Precht


what SP of 2k
what SP of Exch ?


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 09:30
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Can I not do this?


I've got a PDC (Its the only server in the domain), Its got Exchange 5.5 on
it.

I'm doing the following;

Upgrading it to 2000 ADV Server, create a new AD forest and leave it in
mixed mode.

Works fine, Exchange 5.5 happy, whole server happy.

I run Exchange 2000 setup, run the ADC thingy - Fine.

On completion of install, no Exchange what so ever...All services start ok,
but it does not replicate the 5.5 site into 2000 & no-one has accessAlso
non of the connectors work.

Am I missing something major?

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RE: Replication problem

2001-10-05 Thread David N. Precht


I love Service Packs ... they are my friends... Thats my job for today, I
inherited a 2k, NT and 95 site with Norton CE AV and NOTHING IS up to
date... my director/vp was BS. so SPing i will go :)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tony Hlabse
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 14:40
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Replication problem


SP4 yes. Especially if you were to call MS. Thats the first thing they will
have you do 99% of the time. For that matter make sure you have all required
patches associated with the problem have been installed. I hate to call MS
Tech Support to get help and hold for an half hour only to hear "Did you
apply the latest patches?"
- Original Message -
From: "Don Ely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 2:34 PM
Subject: RE: Replication problem


> SP4 across the board.  That DL could be causing a problem, though it's
> hard to say.
>
> Running chkds -fixOrphaned is another good option that someone
> mentioned, but in reading the Q articles, SP 4 upgrade is where I would
> start.
>
> D
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> WILLIAMS,JESSICA D
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 11:17 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Replication problem
>
>
> Don,
>
> I had looked at Q247654, but I'm a bit confused.  It has the correct
> exception error number, but the parameters are different.  Also, is it
> only caused by large DLs?  My largest is only 1542 so would this really
> be my problem?  But I do think now is probably the time to install sp4.
> Will I have to install throughout the entire site or can I have just the
> one server on SP4?  You've been a great help.
>
> Jessica
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 1:11 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Replication problem
>
>
> Jessica,
>
> Check out these couple of articles.  The first thing I see is that you
> are running SP3 for Exchange and I'm seeing that SP4 is recommended to
> fix this.  SO with that said, I would make sure you have a good backup
> and apply SP4.
>
> Again, check out these articles.  From the sounds of them, they might
> very well apply to you.
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q247/6/54.ASP
> http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q265/1/72.ASP
>
> D
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> WILLIAMS,JESSICA D
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 10:46 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Replication problem
>
>
> Event Type: Error
> Event Source: MSExchangeDS
> Event Category: Internal Processing
> Event ID: 1171
> Date: 10/3/2001
> Time: 11:12:04 AM
> User: INFOSYS\ExchAdmin
> Computer: EXCH-SRV4
> Description:
> Exception e0010004 has occurred with parameters -1601 and 1651 (internal
> ID 208017d). Contact Microsoft Technical Support for assistance.
>
> --and--
>
> Event Type: Warning
> Event Source: MSExchangeDS
> Event Category: Replication
> Event ID: 1059
> Date: 10/3/2001
> Time: 11:12:04 AM
> User: INFOSYS\ExchAdmin
> Computer: EXCH-SRV4
> Description:
> Internal error: The directory replication agent (DRA) call returned
> error 22.
>
> --and--
>
> Event Type: Information
> Event Source: MSExchangeDS
> Event Category: Replication
> Event ID: 1070
> Date: 10/3/2001
> Time: 11:11:33 AM
> User: INFOSYS\ExchAdmin
> Computer: EXCH-SRV4
> Description:
> Internal event: Directory f68ebf464c66d4118f5200b0d0205037 EXCH-SRV3
> asked the directory replication agent (DRA) to get changes from naming
> context /o=WHF/ou=Hospital starting at update sequence number (USN)
> 56504 with flags 71 and sensitivity 100.
>
>
> Even with errors, Microsoft's KB isn't helping much.  I get results when
> I query for the Event ID, but what I get tends to be for Exchange 5.0.
> Thanks Don.
>
> Jessica
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 11:54 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Replication problem
>
>
> I would, it might lead you to the problem before you call PSS and they
> may have you do that anyway.  What sort of errors are showing up now?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> WILLIAMS,JESSICA D
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 9:47 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Replication problem
>
>
> Thanks for the help guys.
> Once I turned up the logging, the errors started coming.  I've been
> searching Technet, and will probably call PSS. (One of the errors
> actually said to do that).  One question, do I need to turn up logging
> on more than just the problem server?
> Jessica
>
>
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RE: Outlook XP on 5.5 no Schedule Plus Data

2001-10-05 Thread David N. Precht

Import other file option in import in outlook

What version of Exchange ?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of bigape
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 12:51
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Outlook XP on 5.5 no Schedule Plus Data

We are moving from Schedule Plus to outlook XP none of the contacts and
schedule data is avalible in outlook XP when you connect a client back to
the
same server. Isn't all this data on the server and who do I get XP to use
it,
as the correct data.

IS there a way to get this old schedule plus data to populate in Outlook XP.

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RE: Licensing

2001-10-05 Thread Tener, Richard

yeah I learned the hard way Daniel

-Original Message-
From: Bowles, John L. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:01 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Licensing

Daniel,

Let me tell you something from experience.  I use to get pissy when everyone
would say rude things to me cause of some of my posts.  You just have to
look past the sarcasim (which is pretty funny at times) cause people will
help you with what you need.  And I believe this list is very appropriate
for you question.  Just lighten up some.  Don't take everything to heart.
Most of the time when they are getting on you, they are trying to help you.
They may not come right out and tell you, but they are trying to help you
push yourself for the answers.  All I can say is just relax...and let the
good times roll!!

John Bowles
Exchange Administrator
Enterprise Support & Engineering
Celera Genomics
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   

-Original Message-
From: Atkinson, Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:55 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Licensing

> Contact your local vendor who supplied the licensing.  We aren't
> authorized MS Licensing dealers here.

well thanks for that rather rude response.

i realise that the folks on this list aren't license vendors, although it's
possible that someone might be. regardless, i believe that this is an
appropriate place to discuss exchange licensing with other exchange admins.
if you disagree strongly enough to merit a post to the list, then perhaps
you should explain why.

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RE: Restore

2001-10-05 Thread Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville


BravoBravo..Bravo..

You BLB users, keep doing what your doing, you make us True Exchange Admins
look like geniuses..

>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Herrick, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 11:36 AM
>>>To: Exchange Discussions
>>>Subject: RE: Restore
>>>
>>>
>>>Why BLB = BAD. A true tale from my last company.
>>>After 3 months of banging their heads, the idiots at a 
>>>remote site got BLB & restores to work in test. So they ran 
>>>it on the production box. I was adamant that the Exchange 
>>>online backup be run first. That took about 2-3 hours. The 
>>>BLB took over 12 hours.
>>>
>>>So, the VP needed a message restored from the previous day 
>>>that was shift-deleted. Can't do it yet. BLB was still in 
>>>progress. He has to wait. The next day, they restore his 
>>>mailbox. And the message was not there! VP is unhappy. So 
>>>they go to the next day's tape (a day later). Still no 
>>>message. Seems like it came and went between BLB's. VP is 
>>>now beyond irate. Calls the CIO. Who calls me. I have 
>>>DumpsterAlwaysOn. Go into VP's mailbox and give him his 
>>>message in 2 minutes.
>>>
>>>Oh yes, most of their problems were permissions/UghServe 
>>>related. So the full restore did not work. While they had 
>>>"practiced" restores, they never opened a mailbox. Just 
>>>accepted the logging information that the restore was complete.
>>>
>>>Do not waste your time on BLB. Deleted Items Retention, 
>>>DumpsterAlwaysOn on an admin workstation, Circular logging 
>>>OFF. Practice restores. Read the FAQ. Sleep easy. And keep 
>>>the untrained away from the server.
>>>
>>>Michael Herrick
>>>Groton CIT Messaging Services
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Drewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:40 AM
>>>To: Exchange Discussions
>>>Subject: RE: Restore
>>>
>>>
>>>Possible corruption of the store.
>>>
>>>Increased tape drive usage, which will result in a shorter 
>>>lifespan for your tape drive.
>>>
>>>The wrath of the list.  :P
>>>
>>>Drew
>>>
>>>If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we 
>>>belong to each other. (Mother Theresa)
>>>
>>>KWAR2001 website: www.schoolofdefence.org/kwar.html
>>>Pics of Max are BACK!  http://www.drewncapris.net
>>>
>>>We cannot do evil to others without doing it to ourselves. 
>>>-- Joseph Francois Eduard Desmahis
>>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Amir El Aziq
>>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:04 AM
>>>To: Exchange Discussions
>>>Subject: Re: Restore
>>>
>>>
>>>Scenario:
>>>5 users in the organisation.
>>>1 server for file/print/email
>>>Full Online Exchange backup every night.
>>>Exchange BLB every night also.
>>>Data backup every night.
>>>All backups complete in 3 hours, on 1 tape.
>>>
>>>Please explain to me why doing a BLB is bad in this scenario.
>>>
>>>
 -Original Message-
 From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 05 October 2001 12:35
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Restore


 Because BLB SUCK Donkey Sausage!!! And if an exchange 
>>>admin needs
>>>BLB's
 then he doesn't know how to admin his Exchange Box.

 >>>-Original Message-
 >>>From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 >>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:43 AM
 >>>To: Exchange Discussions
 >>>Subject: Re: Restore
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>How can you know it will always a bad thing?
 >>>
 >>>- Original Message -
 >>>From: "Don Ely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 >>>To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 >>>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:09 AM
 >>>Subject: RE: Restore
 >>>
 >>>
  Still is a bad thing, it will always be a bad thing.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On 
>>>Behalf Of David 
  N. Precht
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:03 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Restore
 
 
  Wasnt that a bad thing to do in 5.5 , wouldnt also be 
>>>true in 2k 
  ?
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 >>>Van Huissteden,
  Adriaan
  Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 23:56
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Restore
 
 
  Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on
 >>>Exchange Server 2K?
  Thanks
 
  Adriaan Van Huissteden
 
  Network Administrator
  Connect Credit Union
  Phone: (03) 6233 0660
 
 
  
>>>

Re: MEC next year

2001-10-05 Thread Daniel Chenault


Sturgis, South Dakota. And it's been rescheduled to coincide with the annaul
Harley motorcycle run.

- Original Message -
From: "Doug Hampshire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:43 AM
Subject: MEC next year


> Okay, I missed the keynotes [1] so I never heard where MEC is supposed to
be
> next year. Since they usually announce it during the final keynote [2],
did
> anyone pick up its proposed location?
>
> [1] They are inconveniently scheduled during my sleeping time.
> [2] This one always falls the morning after the Compaq party [3], I can
> pretty much guarantee I'll never be at that one
> [3] Andy and I OD'd on Fish Tacos.
>
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