Inside Exchange Public Folders Chat (As Seen at TechEd!)

2003-06-12 Thread Martin Tuip [MVP]

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RE: Strange Question

2003-06-12 Thread Robert Moir
Really? I'd just delete their account from the network if it was
internal email, or I'd block their whole domain if it was external. We
have rules here against that kind of abuse.

 
 -Original Message-
 From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 11 June 2003 16:32
 To: Exchange Discussions
 
 There may be something like this, but I will tell you this.  
 If someone did that to me I would just set up a rule to 
 permanently delete all of their messages.
 
 Nate Couch
 EDS Messaging
 
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  From:   Avi Smith-Rapaport
  Reply To:   Exchange Discussions
  Sent:   Wednesday, June 11, 2003 10:22
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject:Strange Question
  
  My boss asked me this morning.
  
  Is there any type of program or something that if you send 
 someone an 
  email, it will resend the email let's say every 20 minutes
  
  until they respond to you?
  
  He has not told me why he wants this and I did have the discussion 
  about the behavoral issues etc.
  
  Avi
  
  
  We run exchange 2k and outlook client
  
  
  
  _
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RE: [Exchange2000] FW: Alert: Exchange 2000 Store Shuts Down After NAI AV Software Update

2003-06-12 Thread Dryden, Karen
Here's NAI's answer on this:

Dear Customer,

The following is a status update regarding the STORE.EXE termination
issue on the Microsoft Exchange 2000 platform.

Information circulated by Microsoft internally has indicated that McAfee
updates for the latest virus DAT files were the cause of the STORE.EXE
termination.

There is no correlation between the current McAfee DAT files and the
STORE.EXE termination issue.

Root cause analysis done at McAfee indicates the issue is with a message
that has a very long sender name (511 characters).

This issue was first seen late last year and was resolved in HotFix 2
for McAfee GroupShield 5.2 for Microsoft Exchange 2000.

All customers who have seen this issue would be running a GroupShield
service version of less than 5.20.677.0. 

This can be verified through the GroupShield Exchange Manager |
configuration | properties | version tab.

We have posted Hotfix 2 for McAfee GroupShield Exchange 5.2 and this is
currently available on our support service portal at:

http://mysupport.nai.com 

Users should login to the PrimeSupport KnowledgeCenter Service Portal
and navigate to:

Hotfix  Patch List for McAfee Security Products | GroupShield HotFixes
|NAI28995:HotFix 2 for GroupShield 5.2 for Exchange 2000

There is also a TechNote article posted in the NAI mysupport.com
Knowledge Base: reference nai31469.

 

Thank you,

Network Associates


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From: Dryden, Karen 
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:28 PM
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Subject: RE: [Exchange2000] FW: Alert: Exchange 2000 Store Shuts Down
After NAI AV Software Update


I just talked to NAI support and this is not an issue with any
particular dat file, it's an issue with GroupShield 5.2 for Exchange
2000 in general, so if you already have GS installed and haven't had
this problem, there's no need to rush out and install HF2 now.

-Original Message-
From: Alice Goodman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 7:58 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Exchange2000] FW: Alert: Exchange 2000 Store Shuts Down
After NAI AV Software Update


I don't use it. I use Trend. Just forwarding this email that I got from
someone at Microsoft.  :) 

Alice

-Original Message-
From: Jennifer Fountain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:57 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Exchange2000] FW: Alert: Exchange 2000 Store Shuts Down
After NAI AV Software Update


How do you like groupshield for exchange 2k? 

-Original Message-
From: Alice Goodman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 7:53 PM
To: Exchange2000 - Yahoo (E-mail)
Subject: [Exchange2000] FW: Alert: Exchange 2000 Store Shuts Down After
NAI AV Software Update
Importance: High



Problem 
 
Applying the latest DAT file from NAI (McAfee) causes the Exchange 2000
Store to terminate and customer will be unable to remount.

Customers should be aware that the latest DAT file from NAI requires
NAI's Hotfix 2 (HF2) prior to applying the latest DAT file.  If the
customer applies the DAT file without applying the Hotfix from NAI
first, their Exchange Stores may terminate. 

  

 All versions of Exchange 2000 are potentially at risk although
Microsoft has not seen issues outside of North America at this time.

Resolution  / Call to Action  

*Ensure you have the latest patches (HF2) from NAI prior to
applying the latest DAT file from NAI. 

Determining if Hotfix 2 is installed

On the version tab of the NAI console, the last three digits should be
677. If not, you are not running HF2.  

Contacts for NAI

NAI has asked that we funnel all customers through the following two
people at this time.

*The US contact for NAI is Brad Gable (
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])

*The Europe/Middle East/Africa contact for NAI is Kevin Gudgion
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If you are already experiencing the problem, please contact NAI or
Microsoft PSS immediately.



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Mailbox permissions

2003-06-12 Thread Mustafa Ibrahim

Hi all,

I am trying to grant someone the permission to access another mailbox via
the recipient property sheet, but the mailbox permissions are not available
for some reason. Any ideas?

I am using Win2k server with Exchange 5. 

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RE: Mailbox permissions

2003-06-12 Thread Mustafa Ibrahim
Ignore this guys. Thanks

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Sent: 12 June 2003 11:49
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Mailbox permissions



Hi all,

I am trying to grant someone the permission to access another mailbox via
the recipient property sheet, but the mailbox permissions are not available
for some reason. Any ideas?

I am using Win2k server with Exchange 5. 

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Re: Mailbox permissions

2003-06-12 Thread Andy David
From within the Exch Admin gui?
Tools/Options/Permissions

- Original Message - 
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Subject: Mailbox permissions



 Hi all,

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 the recipient property sheet, but the mailbox permissions are not
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 for some reason. Any ideas?

 I am using Win2k server with Exchange 5.

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Outlook 2003 Beta 2

2003-06-12 Thread Woodruff, Michael
I have a question about the whole cached mode deal.  Does it keep an
exact replica of your mailbox that is stored on the server?  If mine
mailbox is 225MB then the local ost would also be 225MB?  If so, that
sucks.  Thanks.

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RE: Outlook 2003 Beta 2

2003-06-12 Thread Martin Blackstone
Actually it comes out to be about twice the size of the mailbox. 


-Original Message-
From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 6:13 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

I have a question about the whole cached mode deal.  Does it keep an exact
replica of your mailbox that is stored on the server?  If mine mailbox is
225MB then the local ost would also be 225MB?  If so, that sucks.  Thanks.

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RE: Top 10 things overheard at TechEd

2003-06-12 Thread Mark Rotman
5. Did you see those great new Messageware OWA products

4. Where can I get one of those kewl MEC'Ed VIP shirts


  ;-)

-Original Message-
From: Chris H [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 6:49 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Top 10 things overheard at TechEd


6. Just how many Exchange Administrators does it take to fill Room D171/175
? Or, lets see what happens when we schedule our most popular Exchange
sessions in the smallest rooms?



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- Original Message - 
From: Anthony Sollars [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 6:28 PM
Subject: RE: Top 10 things overheard at TechEd


 7. Is that a Blackberry in your pocket, or are you just happy to be here?

 Anthony L. Sollars
 Technology Consultant
 Information Technology Division, PACCAR Inc.
 480 Houser Way, Renton Wa., 98055
 *  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 -Original Message-
 From: Martin Tuip [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 3:17 PM
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 8. Wanna see my new Pocket PC ?


 - Original Message - 
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 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:42 PM
 Subject: RE: Top 10 things overheard at TechEd


  9. What the hell died in there?
 
 
  -Original Message-
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  To: Exchange Discussions
 
  10 Is an 8-node Active Exchange 2003 cluster supported under VMWare on
  Windows XP ? - one attendee joking
 
 
 
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RE: Outlook 2003 Beta 2

2003-06-12 Thread Erik Sojka
Only the initial synchronization would take time.  After that, only the
deltas are synched.   

And 225MB?  How much time would that take to transfer over a typical
corporate network?  100Mb/S?  

 
 -Original Message-
 From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 9:13 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 
 I have a question about the whole cached mode deal.  Does it keep an
 exact replica of your mailbox that is stored on the server?  If mine
 mailbox is 225MB then the local ost would also be 225MB?  If so, that
 sucks.  Thanks.
 
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RE: Outlook 2003 Beta 2

2003-06-12 Thread Mark Rotman
Well, 

I don't have 100Mb/S to my house (assuming you are talking about MAPI/HTTP, however it 
is a very cool feature and 225MB is not a huge mailbox. So, yes the whole 225MB is 
brought down, and depending on your new-mail traffic (ie. how many of these lists you 
are on) you may see some initial sync delays each startup.

-Original Message-
From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 9:18 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 Beta 2


Only the initial synchronization would take time.  After that, only the
deltas are synched.   

And 225MB?  How much time would that take to transfer over a typical
corporate network?  100Mb/S?  

 
 -Original Message-
 From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 9:13 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 
 I have a question about the whole cached mode deal.  Does it keep an
 exact replica of your mailbox that is stored on the server?  If mine
 mailbox is 225MB then the local ost would also be 225MB?  If so, that
 sucks.  Thanks.
 
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RE: Strange Question

2003-06-12 Thread Avi Smith-Rapaport
David,

So I take it this rule would be set on something like a sender or the importance set 
on an email?



-Original Message-
From: David J. Culliton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 3:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Strange Question


If the explanation is correct - why not a rule that pops a dialog box on
the desktop informing of the important email?

-Original Message-
From: Avi Smith-Rapaport [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:09 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Strange Question


Thanks, but for whatever reason this is what he is on now.



-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 3:12 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Strange Question


If it's so urgent why is he sending it via e-mail. Why not just call?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Avi
Smith-Rapaport
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:49 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Strange Question


I was explained that it is more for urgent email from certain people.

Like if the owner emailed to my boss something that needed to be done it
would pop up in his mail box vs. someone sending him an idiotic joke. To
me it just seems like a crutch for someone who isn't doing their work in
keeping up with email if that is part of their responsibilities.

I am not to know the true reason behind this, for whatever secretive
reason, I know I know how ridiculous and how can I give someone what I
don't know they want, but alas, this is where I am asking for advice for
the gurus.  You guys read minds right?

Avi



-Original Message-
From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:53 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Strange Question


As with many things, it all comes back to Ed C.'s quote.

The bigger question for Avi to pose to his boss is what is to be
accomplished here?  Is it to track that a user is sitting at his/her
desk?  To ensure that emails get read?  To ensure that tasks get done
within 20 minutes?  What is the business goal that is to be
accomplished?  Mebbe there is a better solution that can be offered
instead of an email kludge.

 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ken Cornetet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:46 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 
 I envision a solution like this:
 
 Boss points browser to a web server with a CGI app (perl, vb,
 whatever)
 where he enters a recipient (or picks a pre-entered recipient - that 
 would help ensure it wasn't abused) and types his message. This app 
 sends the message (via CDO or SMTP) and creates a flag (flat file, 
 database record, etc) that records the time sent and the recipient.
 
 The app appends a URL to another app that the recipient clicks on to
 acknowledge the message. This deletes the flag.
 
 Yet another app (not web based, but scheduled to run every few 
 minutes) checks for flags and resends reminders.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Avi Smith-Rapaport [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:33 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Strange Question
 
 
 Alright...
 That didn't go over so well.
 He is sticking to his guns and is throwing this into the mix.
 
 2 willing participants.
 Meaning, let's say that Erik decides he will accept this type of 
 request from me so if I choose to I can send him an email and mark it,

 respond in 20 min, then if he doesn't respond in 20 minutes to me then

 it will re-email, or pop up a window on his pc whatever. The two 
 willing participants definitely seems more like something, no? It 
 seems to me like when he gets and email from certain people he wants 
 it to go to some reminder type of a system although the sender is the 
 person that would set the reminder intervals. confused?
 
 
 Avi
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:31 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Strange Question
 
 
 Can we go to mount Splashmore?
 Can we go to mount Splashmore?
 Can we go to mount Splashmore? 
 Can we go to mount Splashmore? 
 Can we go to mount Splashmore? 
 Can we go to mount Splashmore? 
 Can we go to mount Splashmore? 
 Can we go to mount Splashmore? 
 
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Steck, Herb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:50 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  
  Then tell him you will send him pages every 2 minutes, then call on
  his cel phone every minute, then send him a fax every 30 seconds 
  until he replies about you getting a raise.
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 10:45 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Strange Question
  
  
  Lol.  Good answer Andy.
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Andy David 

Attachments Doubling in Size ?

2003-06-12 Thread Erik L. Vesneski
Hi,

Yesterday an attachments of 5.6 megs was sent in from an external
person.  That attachment, once sent on from one of these users to
another person, doubled in size. 

The attachment the user originally received all of a sudden was 13 megs
and the sent attachment was also 13 megs.  This happened with 3 users I
know of.  All of them exist on the same storage group and they have
different levels of Outlook 2002 (either SP1 or SP2).

I am running Exchange 2k clustered and the eventvwr is clean.  I have
researched on TechNet and it seems this used to be something with OWA.  

Has anyone else run into this issue before and if so what was your
resolution?

Thanks in advance,

Erik L. Vesneski
Sr. Systems Specialist
ISO - Intel Systems 
Ph#: 925-685-6161
www.pmigroup.com
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RE: Outlook 2003 Beta 2

2003-06-12 Thread Robert Moir

 

 
 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Rotman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 12 June 2003 14:28
 To: Exchange Discussions
 
 Well, 
 
 I don't have 100Mb/S to my house (assuming you are talking 
 about MAPI/HTTP, however it is a very cool feature and 225MB 
 is not a huge mailbox. So, yes the whole 225MB is brought 
 down, and depending on your new-mail traffic (ie. how many of 
 these lists you are on) you may see some initial sync delays 
 each startup.

But of course if you are working from home with O2002 using an OST you
still have this problem when sync-ing a large mailbox for the first
time, and so on, so its not like its going to get worse.

-- 
Robert Moir
Microsoft MVP
Senior IT Systems Engineer
Luton Sixth Form College
print chr(66)  chr(79)  chr(70)  chr(72)

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RE: Searching User Mailboxes

2003-06-12 Thread Van Hooser, Chuck
Chuck Wagon!

I know wrong thread but until someone nominates me to the proper place this
is all I've got. ;-)

-Original Message-
From: Slinger, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:06 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Searching User Mailboxes


You have to be THIS tall to ride the...

Oh, wait - wrong thread :) 


-Original Message-
From: Van Hooser, Chuck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:19 PM
To: Exchange Discussions

But does it come with Scharff in box?

Chuck 



-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 10:14 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Searching User Mailboxes


Check out both Sherpa Software and KVS. For companies for which potential
litigation is a problem and extended retention policies make more sense than
trying to restore x hundred tapes for compliance, I think KVS is probably a
better long term solution. Sherpa is probably better for companies with
shorter retention policies (generally) IMO. 

OT: Congrats on the fastest drag time. :)

-Original Message-
From: Chris H [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:25 AM
Posted To: swynk
Conversation: Searching User Mailboxes
Subject: Searching User Mailboxes


Does anyone know of a product that will crawl and index mailboxes on
Exchange 5.5? I know Sharepoint and Index Server will do Public Folders, but
I haven't heard of anything that will do mailboxes. Mainly, I am thinking,
as there is no account that has permissions on all mailboxes by default . .
. We are being subpoena for all emails from X years past dealing with X
subject . . .

Anyone know of one?


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RE: Strange Question

2003-06-12 Thread Avi Smith-Rapaport
I think this is the best option thus far.
Showed it to him and he seems pleased with it but still can't tell me what he will 
be using this for.
Any way to have this automatically set like every time he sends a message it will 
automatically include a follow up prompt let's say every 20 minutes after the email is 
sent?
I am beginning to believe my boss is a spammer.

Avi


-Original Message-
From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 3:21 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Strange Question


Have the boss just set the reminder flag for Follow up on the e-mail with
the date/time for 20 minutes hence.  It should pop up if the other guy is
using Outlook.

-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4
Director of Information Services
Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert
http://www.hawaiilawyer.com
 

 -Original Message-
 From: Avi Smith-Rapaport [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:49
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Strange Question
 
 I was explained that it is more for urgent email from certain people.
 
 Like if the owner emailed to my boss something that needed to 
 be done it would pop up in his mail box vs. someone sending 
 him an idiotic joke.  To me it just seems like a crutch for 
 someone who isn't doing their work in keeping up with email 
 if that is part of their responsibilities.
 
 I am not to know the true reason behind this, for whatever 
 secretive reason, I know I know how ridiculous and how can I 
 give someone what I don't know they want, but alas, this is 
 where I am asking for advice for the gurus.  You guys read 
 minds right?
 
 Avi
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:53 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Strange Question
 
 
 As with many things, it all comes back to Ed C.'s quote.
 
 The bigger question for Avi to pose to his boss is what is to 
 be accomplished here?  Is it to track that a user is sitting 
 at his/her desk?  To ensure that emails get read?  To ensure 
 that tasks get done within 20 minutes?  What is the business 
 goal that is to be accomplished?  Mebbe there is a better 
 solution that can be offered instead of an email kludge.
 
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Ken Cornetet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:46 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  
  I envision a solution like this:
  
  Boss points browser to a web server with a CGI app (perl, vb,
  whatever)
  where he enters a recipient (or picks a pre-entered 
 recipient - that 
  would help ensure it wasn't abused) and types his message. This app 
  sends the message (via CDO or SMTP) and creates a flag 
 (flat file, 
  database record, etc) that records the time sent and the recipient.
  
  The app appends a URL to another app that the recipient 
 clicks on to 
  acknowledge the message. This deletes the flag.
  
  Yet another app (not web based, but scheduled to run every few 
  minutes) checks for flags and resends reminders.
  
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Avi Smith-Rapaport [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:33 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Strange Question
  
  
  Alright...
  That didn't go over so well.
  He is sticking to his guns and is throwing this into the mix.
  
  2 willing participants.
  Meaning, let's say that Erik decides he will accept this type of 
  request from me so if I choose to I can send him an email 
 and mark it, 
  respond in 20 min, then if he doesn't respond in 20 minutes 
 to me then 
  it will re-email, or pop up a window on his pc whatever. The two 
  willing participants definitely seems more like something, no? It 
  seems to me like when he gets and email from certain people 
 he wants 
  it to go to some reminder type of a system although the 
 sender is the 
  person that would set the reminder intervals. confused?
  
  
  Avi
  
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:31 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Strange Question
  
  
  Can we go to mount Splashmore? 
  Can we go to mount Splashmore? 
  Can we go to mount Splashmore? 
  Can we go to mount Splashmore? 
  Can we go to mount Splashmore? 
  Can we go to mount Splashmore? 
  Can we go to mount Splashmore? 
  Can we go to mount Splashmore? 
  
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Steck, Herb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:50 AM
   To: Exchange Discussions
   
   Then tell him you will send him pages every 2 minutes, 
 then call on 
   his cel phone every minute, then send him a fax every 30 seconds 
   until he replies about you getting a raise.
   
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 10:45 AM
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: Strange Question
   
   
  

RE: Outlook 2003 Beta 2

2003-06-12 Thread Fyodorov, Andrey
is that because it accounts for both the .edb and .stm files? :)

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 9:15 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 Beta 2


Actually it comes out to be about twice the size of the mailbox. 


-Original Message-
From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 6:13 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

I have a question about the whole cached mode deal.  Does it keep an exact
replica of your mailbox that is stored on the server?  If mine mailbox is
225MB then the local ost would also be 225MB?  If so, that sucks.  Thanks.

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Replicating Public folder

2003-06-12 Thread Pham, Tuan
Hi,

How do I trigger or schedude the public folder replication between EX5.5 and E2K vise 
versa without the ADC in placed?  The reason I'm asking is because we used DiscussData 
product for the migration, and by using this product it's not require to have ADC 
installed, and they don't have a schedule mechanism, the only way to do this is to 
manually run it.  We still have both sites running with a trust in between, and this 
causing alot of problems for users on both sides to setup calendar(out of sync).  Any 
idea?  Thanks!!!

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Re: Searching User Mailboxes

2003-06-12 Thread Andy David
Do you have something in your eye?


- Original Message - 
From: Van Hooser, Chuck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 9:30 AM
Subject: RE: Searching User Mailboxes


 Chuck Wagon!

 I know wrong thread but until someone nominates me to the proper place
this
 is all I've got. ;-)

 -Original Message-
 From: Slinger, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:06 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Searching User Mailboxes


 You have to be THIS tall to ride the...

 Oh, wait - wrong thread :)


 -Original Message-
 From: Van Hooser, Chuck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:19 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions

 But does it come with Scharff in box?

 Chuck



 -Original Message-
 From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 10:14 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Searching User Mailboxes


 Check out both Sherpa Software and KVS. For companies for which potential
 litigation is a problem and extended retention policies make more sense
than
 trying to restore x hundred tapes for compliance, I think KVS is probably
a
 better long term solution. Sherpa is probably better for companies with
 shorter retention policies (generally) IMO.

 OT: Congrats on the fastest drag time. :)

 -Original Message-
 From: Chris H [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Posted At: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:25 AM
 Posted To: swynk
 Conversation: Searching User Mailboxes
 Subject: Searching User Mailboxes


 Does anyone know of a product that will crawl and index mailboxes on
 Exchange 5.5? I know Sharepoint and Index Server will do Public Folders,
but
 I haven't heard of anything that will do mailboxes. Mainly, I am thinking,
 as there is no account that has permissions on all mailboxes by default .
.
 . We are being subpoena for all emails from X years past dealing with X
 subject . . .

 Anyone know of one?


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RE: Mail Marshall users

2003-06-12 Thread Erik L. Vesneski
You who - used it and it was great.  Lot of work up front however.

Thank you,

Erik L. Vesneski
Sr. Systems Specialist
ISO - Intel Systems 
Ph#: 925-685-6161
www.pmigroup.com
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

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From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:35 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Mail Marshall users


Sorry for the semi off topic post.

Would anyone who is the administrator of a Mail Marshall service, please
contact me off list.

I'm looking for some real - world information about it's operation and
reliability.

Thanks.

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.

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RE: Mail Marshall users

2003-06-12 Thread Henderson Richard
I found it very good,  nice to get real-time mail scanning off the exchange
server.  Version 1 was abit ugly but once the GUI version came out much
easier to use.  Configuration easy if your business rules for mail handling
are already agreed on.


-Original Message-
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Sent: 12 June 2003 15:02
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Mail Marshall users


You who - used it and it was great.  Lot of work up front however.

Thank you,

Erik L. Vesneski
Sr. Systems Specialist
ISO - Intel Systems 
Ph#: 925-685-6161
www.pmigroup.com
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:35 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Mail Marshall users


Sorry for the semi off topic post.

Would anyone who is the administrator of a Mail Marshall service, please
contact me off list.

I'm looking for some real - world information about it's operation and
reliability.

Thanks.

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.

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RE: Outlook 2003 Beta 2

2003-06-12 Thread Woodruff, Michael
I wasn't thinking of the bandwidth side, that's not a problem.   Is the
local copy enabled by default?  Don't get me wrong, I think it's a very
good design.  I was just thinking about using different profiles on the
same PC.  If you can disable it, then no worries.


-Original Message-
From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 9:18 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

Only the initial synchronization would take time.  After that, only the
deltas are synched.   

And 225MB?  How much time would that take to transfer over a typical
corporate network?  100Mb/S?  

 
 -Original Message-
 From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 9:13 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 
 I have a question about the whole cached mode deal.  Does it keep an 
 exact replica of your mailbox that is stored on the server?  If mine 
 mailbox is 225MB then the local ost would also be 225MB?  If so, that 
 sucks.  Thanks.
 
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Re: Outlook 2003 Beta 2

2003-06-12 Thread Andy David
I dont believe its enabled by default.

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To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 Beta 2


I wasn't thinking of the bandwidth side, that's not a problem.   Is the
local copy enabled by default?  Don't get me wrong, I think it's a very
good design.  I was just thinking about using different profiles on the
same PC.  If you can disable it, then no worries.


-Original Message-
From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 9:18 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

Only the initial synchronization would take time.  After that, only the
deltas are synched.

And 225MB?  How much time would that take to transfer over a typical
corporate network?  100Mb/S?


 -Original Message-
 From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 9:13 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions

 I have a question about the whole cached mode deal.  Does it keep an
 exact replica of your mailbox that is stored on the server?  If mine
 mailbox is 225MB then the local ost would also be 225MB?  If so, that
 sucks.  Thanks.

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RE: Outlook 2003 Beta 2

2003-06-12 Thread Erik Sojka
The local cache file would be associated with the user profile.  

Are you concerned that if I log into your PC I can get to your email by
searching under C:\Documents and Settings\Mwoodruff\Juicy_OST_File ?

 
 -Original Message-
 From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:08 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 
 I wasn't thinking of the bandwidth side, that's not a 
 problem.   Is the
 local copy enabled by default?  Don't get me wrong, I think 
 it's a very
 good design.  I was just thinking about using different 
 profiles on the
 same PC.  If you can disable it, then no worries.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 9:18 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 
 Only the initial synchronization would take time.  After 
 that, only the
 deltas are synched.   
 
 And 225MB?  How much time would that take to transfer over a typical
 corporate network?  100Mb/S?  
 
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 9:13 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  
  I have a question about the whole cached mode deal.  Does 
 it keep an 
  exact replica of your mailbox that is stored on the server? 
  If mine 
  mailbox is 225MB then the local ost would also be 225MB?  
 If so, that 
  sucks.  Thanks.
  
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RE: Replicating Public folder

2003-06-12 Thread Chris Scharff
I believe the InterOrg tool from Microsoft replicates free/busy data.

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Posted At: Thursday, June 12, 2003 8:59 AM
Posted To: swynk
Conversation: Replicating Public folder
Subject: Replicating Public folder


Hi,

How do I trigger or schedude the public folder replication between EX5.5
and E2K vise versa without the ADC in placed?  The reason I'm asking is
because we used DiscussData product for the migration, and by using this
product it's not require to have ADC installed, and they don't have a
schedule mechanism, the only way to do this is to manually run it.  We
still have both sites running with a trust in between, and this causing
alot of problems for users on both sides to setup calendar(out of sync).
Any idea?  Thanks!!!

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RE: Top 10 things overheard at TechEd

2003-06-12 Thread Roger Seielstad
So you spent time with AB, eh?

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Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis Inc.


 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Jeremy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 6:02 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Top 10 things overheard at TechEd
 
 
 8. *snore* *mumbling..*
 
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 9. What the hell died in there? 
 
 
 -Original Message-
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 10 Is an 8-node Active Exchange 2003 cluster supported under 
 VMWare on Windows XP ? - one attendee joking
 
 
 
 **  Please prefix your subject header with BETA for posts 
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RE: Searching User Mailboxes

2003-06-12 Thread Van Hooser, Chuck
Yes a duck is pecking my eye out!



-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:01 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Searching User Mailboxes


Do you have something in your eye?


- Original Message - 
From: Van Hooser, Chuck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 9:30 AM
Subject: RE: Searching User Mailboxes


 Chuck Wagon!

 I know wrong thread but until someone nominates me to the proper place
this
 is all I've got. ;-)

 -Original Message-
 From: Slinger, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:06 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Searching User Mailboxes


 You have to be THIS tall to ride the...

 Oh, wait - wrong thread :)


 -Original Message-
 From: Van Hooser, Chuck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:19 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions

 But does it come with Scharff in box?

 Chuck



 -Original Message-
 From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 10:14 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Searching User Mailboxes


 Check out both Sherpa Software and KVS. For companies for which 
 potential litigation is a problem and extended retention policies make 
 more sense
than
 trying to restore x hundred tapes for compliance, I think KVS is 
 probably
a
 better long term solution. Sherpa is probably better for companies 
 with shorter retention policies (generally) IMO.

 OT: Congrats on the fastest drag time. :)

 -Original Message-
 From: Chris H [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Posted At: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:25 AM
 Posted To: swynk
 Conversation: Searching User Mailboxes
 Subject: Searching User Mailboxes


 Does anyone know of a product that will crawl and index mailboxes on 
 Exchange 5.5? I know Sharepoint and Index Server will do Public 
 Folders,
but
 I haven't heard of anything that will do mailboxes. Mainly, I am 
 thinking, as there is no account that has permissions on all mailboxes 
 by default .
.
 . We are being subpoena for all emails from X years past dealing with 
 X subject . . .

 Anyone know of one?


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Re: replication issue

2003-06-12 Thread dave
No the 2nd server joined the site flawlessly.  There are no problems with
name resolution (as MS suggested) and just to be sure of this I did add
each machine to the HOSTS file.  This error doesn't occur until
replication of the server's user objects start. Permissions, connectors
and all others are successful.


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RE: Outlook 2003 Beta 2

2003-06-12 Thread Diane Poremsky
It could be a lot bigger - public folder favorites are also stored locally. 

 
 

-Original Message-
I have a question about the whole cached mode deal.  Does it keep an
exact replica of your mailbox that is stored on the server?  If mine
mailbox is 225MB then the local ost would also be 225MB?  If so, that
sucks.  Thanks.



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Re: Outlook 2003 Beta 2

2003-06-12 Thread Diane Poremsky
'tis too, at least in current builds. AFAIK, it will remain default in later
builds too.


- Original Message - 
 I dont believe its enabled by default.

 - Original Message - 
 From: Woodruff, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:07 AM
 Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 Beta 2


 I wasn't thinking of the bandwidth side, that's not a problem.   Is the
 local copy enabled by default?  Don't get me wrong, I think it's a very
 good design.  I was just thinking about using different profiles on the
 same PC.  If you can disable it, then no worries.


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RE: Outlook 2003 Beta 2

2003-06-12 Thread Dan Bartley
That is where the OS2k3 resource kit comes in. Build a custom
installation and you have the ability to turn it off as the default.

Best Regards, 

Dan Bartley

-Original Message-
From: Diane Poremsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 12:27
To: Exchange Discussions

'tis too, at least in current builds. AFAIK, it will remain default in
later
builds too.


- Original Message - 
 I dont believe its enabled by default.

 - Original Message - 
 From: Woodruff, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:07 AM
 Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 Beta 2


 I wasn't thinking of the bandwidth side, that's not a problem.   Is
the
 local copy enabled by default?  Don't get me wrong, I think it's a
very
 good design.  I was just thinking about using different profiles on
the
 same PC.  If you can disable it, then no worries.


Reviewing GFI Mail Essentials v8


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Re: Outlook 2003 Beta 2

2003-06-12 Thread Andy David
Yer right.
I just created a new profile and the box is checked. At least you can
uncheck it if desired before you actually finish creating the profile g

- Original Message - 
From: Diane Poremsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: Outlook 2003 Beta 2


'tis too, at least in current builds. AFAIK, it will remain default in later
builds too.


- Original Message - 
 I dont believe its enabled by default.

 - Original Message - 
 From: Woodruff, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:07 AM
 Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 Beta 2


 I wasn't thinking of the bandwidth side, that's not a problem.   Is the
 local copy enabled by default?  Don't get me wrong, I think it's a very
 good design.  I was just thinking about using different profiles on the
 same PC.  If you can disable it, then no worries.


Reviewing GFI Mail Essentials v8


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Re: Top 10 things overheard at TechEd

2003-06-12 Thread Chris H
if you know the answer to #4 let me know as all my exchange buddies want one
. . .

Chris

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Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 9:24 AM
Subject: RE: Top 10 things overheard at TechEd


5. Did you see those great new Messageware OWA products

4. Where can I get one of those kewl MEC'Ed VIP shirts


  ;-)

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 6:49 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Top 10 things overheard at TechEd


6. Just how many Exchange Administrators does it take to fill Room D171/175
? Or, lets see what happens when we schedule our most popular Exchange
sessions in the smallest rooms?



This mailbox protected from junk email by Matador
from MailFrontier, Inc. http://info.mailfrontier.com

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To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 6:28 PM
Subject: RE: Top 10 things overheard at TechEd


 7. Is that a Blackberry in your pocket, or are you just happy to be here?

 Anthony L. Sollars
 Technology Consultant
 Information Technology Division, PACCAR Inc.
 480 Houser Way, Renton Wa., 98055
 *  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (  425.254.4845
 )   425.681.4190
 2   425.793.6000

 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 3:17 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions

 8. Wanna see my new Pocket PC ?


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 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:42 PM
 Subject: RE: Top 10 things overheard at TechEd


  9. What the hell died in there?
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Martin Tuip [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:11 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
 
  10 Is an 8-node Active Exchange 2003 cluster supported under VMWare on
  Windows XP ? - one attendee joking
 
 
 
  **  Please prefix your subject header with BETA for posts dealing with
  Exchange 2003 **
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Q302254 Virtual Memory

2003-06-12 Thread Jeffrey G. Witt
Could some one please clarify an issue for me. I am running E2k sp3 on
W2k server SP3. A few days ago everyone was complaining that Outlook was
locking up. I found the the Virtual memory was down to about 4. Over
night I restarted the exchange server and everything seems to be normal
again. I found Q302254 which at the bottom has this note:

IMPORTANT: Note that it is not recommended that you run Windows 2000
Server with anything more than 2 GB of memory (that is, do not use the
/3GB switch), when you are running Exchange 2000 because anything over
that amount is unused. If the Store.exe process runs out of virtual
address space, the memory is all on the server. To get the best use out
of the added memory, run Windows 2000 Advanced Server, not Windows 2000
Server. The /3GB switch has advantages only when you use it on a Windows
2000 Advanced Server-based computer. 

On the exchange server I have 2.5 gigs of memory I do not have the /3GB
switch set in the boot.ini file. Does this note mean that I should not
use more than 2 gigs of memory? Or is it okay to have more but not to
use the /3GB switch? Does Microsoft recommend taking memory out of my
server?

Jeffrey Witt 
System Administrator 
Huf North America 
Work: (414) 365-8146 
Mobile: (262) 227-1719
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POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?

2003-06-12 Thread Matt Plahtinsky
List,

This might be more appropriate for a firewall/security list but it
involves email and I don't belong to one of those yet so I'll post my
question here.  I'm curious as to how many of your companies allow
internal clients to access POP mail externally.  The reason I'm asking
is because I see POP mail as security risk.  Let me explain.  Our
firewall strips all but a few attachments from our incoming SMTP email.
With POP however attachments cannot be striped leaving a hole for new
virus that aren't detectable yet by our virus software.  I'm going to
try to talk management into letting me block POP.  Is blocking incoming
POP something other company do?  Is there some other way to secure
incoming POP mail?

Matt




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RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?

2003-06-12 Thread Martin Blackstone
Your thinking is right on the money. If someone POPs their mail to a local
PC and opens a virus, chances are that virus is going to head straight for
the user OL contacts or the GAL. 
No way do we allow POP mail access. 


-Original Message-
From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:52 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

List,

This might be more appropriate for a firewall/security list but it
involves email and I don't belong to one of those yet so I'll post my
question here.  I'm curious as to how many of your companies allow
internal clients to access POP mail externally.  The reason I'm asking
is because I see POP mail as security risk.  Let me explain.  Our
firewall strips all but a few attachments from our incoming SMTP email.
With POP however attachments cannot be striped leaving a hole for new
virus that aren't detectable yet by our virus software.  I'm going to
try to talk management into letting me block POP.  Is blocking incoming
POP something other company do?  Is there some other way to secure
incoming POP mail?

Matt




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RE: Searching User Mailboxes

2003-06-12 Thread Robert Moir
I get that a lot too

-Original Message- 
From: Van Hooser, Chuck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thu 12/06/2003 16:40 
To: Exchange Discussions 
Cc: 
Subject: RE: Searching User Mailboxes



Yes a duck is pecking my eye out!



-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:01 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Searching User Mailboxes


Do you have something in your eye?


- Original Message -
From: Van Hooser, Chuck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 9:30 AM
Subject: RE: Searching User Mailboxes


 Chuck Wagon!

 I know wrong thread but until someone nominates me to the proper place
this
 is all I've got. ;-)

 -Original Message-
 From: Slinger, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:06 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Searching User Mailboxes


 You have to be THIS tall to ride the...

 Oh, wait - wrong thread :)


 -Original Message-
 From: Van Hooser, Chuck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:19 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions

 But does it come with Scharff in box?

 Chuck



 -Original Message-
 From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 10:14 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Searching User Mailboxes


 Check out both Sherpa Software and KVS. For companies for which
 potential litigation is a problem and extended retention policies make
 more sense
than
 trying to restore x hundred tapes for compliance, I think KVS is
 probably
a
 better long term solution. Sherpa is probably better for companies
 with shorter retention policies (generally) IMO.

 OT: Congrats on the fastest drag time. :)

 -Original Message-
 From: Chris H [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Posted At: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:25 AM
 Posted To: swynk
 Conversation: Searching User Mailboxes
 Subject: Searching User Mailboxes


 Does anyone know of a product that will crawl and index mailboxes on
 Exchange 5.5? I know Sharepoint and Index Server will do Public
 Folders,
but
 I haven't heard of anything that will do mailboxes. Mainly, I am
 thinking, as there is no account that has permissions on all mailboxes
 by default .
.
 . We are being subpoena for all emails from X years past dealing with
 X subject . . .

 Anyone know of one?


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RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?

2003-06-12 Thread Ryan Fennema
We block POP access as we have an SMTP gateway scanner scanning for virus's and spam.

-Ryan

 
 
 
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-Original Message-
From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:52 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?

List,

This might be more appropriate for a firewall/security list but it
involves email and I don't belong to one of those yet so I'll post my
question here.  I'm curious as to how many of your companies allow
internal clients to access POP mail externally.  The reason I'm asking
is because I see POP mail as security risk.  Let me explain.  Our
firewall strips all but a few attachments from our incoming SMTP email.
With POP however attachments cannot be striped leaving a hole for new
virus that aren't detectable yet by our virus software.  I'm going to
try to talk management into letting me block POP.  Is blocking incoming
POP something other company do?  Is there some other way to secure
incoming POP mail?

Matt




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RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?

2003-06-12 Thread Mellott, Bill
Depends on your company and what they need.
Here: If it's E-Mail and if it does pass thru my Trend box first then to my
Exchange box
I don't allow it...Yes that includes Web based e-mail accounts too...I block
all that too...
IM blocked toomost downloading also...my list goes on

but that's just here...I've been other place where its a free for
alldepends on the company..
if they don't think of it as job security

0.02

bill

-Original Message-
From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:52 PM
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Subject: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?


List,

This might be more appropriate for a firewall/security list but it
involves email and I don't belong to one of those yet so I'll post my
question here.  I'm curious as to how many of your companies allow
internal clients to access POP mail externally.  The reason I'm asking
is because I see POP mail as security risk.  Let me explain.  Our
firewall strips all but a few attachments from our incoming SMTP email.
With POP however attachments cannot be striped leaving a hole for new
virus that aren't detectable yet by our virus software.  I'm going to
try to talk management into letting me block POP.  Is blocking incoming
POP something other company do?  Is there some other way to secure
incoming POP mail?

Matt




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RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?

2003-06-12 Thread Joshua R. Morgan
I agree with you from a Security Standpoint that POP has certain risks,
but maybe a better topic for management is the additional headache POP
is from a support standpoint..   Imagine if you will a Marketing person
gets a new machine at home, this person sets up outlook to download via
POP3, instead of choosing to leave the messages on the server they opt
to download everything and remove (could be a simple mistake) however
when they come into work the next day all their email is gone. Now you
could restore from backup which = man-hours or you could have the guy
bring in his machine and copy all the data from it which = man hours.
However if you are running Exchange this Marketing guy could have
accessed via OWA or VPN, or even if you were not using Exchange VPN or
some 3rd Party web tool..


In other words Pop = Bad


Joshua







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-Original Message-
From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:52 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?


List,

This might be more appropriate for a firewall/security list but it
involves email and I don't belong to one of those yet so I'll post my
question here.  I'm curious as to how many of your companies allow
internal clients to access POP mail externally.  The reason I'm asking
is because I see POP mail as security risk.  Let me explain.  Our
firewall strips all but a few attachments from our incoming SMTP email.
With POP however attachments cannot be striped leaving a hole for new
virus that aren't detectable yet by our virus software.  I'm going to
try to talk management into letting me block POP.  Is blocking incoming
POP something other company do?  Is there some other way to secure
incoming POP mail?

Matt




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RE: Outlook 2003 Beta 2

2003-06-12 Thread Ed Crowley
I love the feature and I think your remote users will too.  I was getting
way tired of having Outlook hang when I accidentally selected a message with
a large attachment and Oulook tried to retireve it for viewing in the
preview pane.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T


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Subject: Outlook 2003 Beta 2


I have a question about the whole cached mode deal.  Does it keep an exact
replica of your mailbox that is stored on the server?  If mine mailbox is
225MB then the local ost would also be 225MB?  If so, that sucks.  Thanks.

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RE: Strange Question

2003-06-12 Thread Ed Crowley
Just tell him no.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
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-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Avi Smith-Rapaport
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:22 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Strange Question


My boss asked me this morning.

Is there any type of program or something that if you send someone an email,
it will resend the email let's say every 20 minutes 

until they respond to you?

He has not told me why he wants this and I did have the discussion about the
behavoral issues etc.

Avi


We run exchange 2k and outlook client



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RE: Strange Question

2003-06-12 Thread Fyodorov, Andrey
I suggested it first :) in my Use the flag message

-Original Message-
From: Avi Smith-Rapaport [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 9:18 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Strange Question


I think this is the best option thus far.
Showed it to him and he seems pleased with it but still can't tell me what
he will be using this for.
Any way to have this automatically set like every time he sends a message it
will automatically include a follow up prompt let's say every 20 minutes
after the email is sent?
I am beginning to believe my boss is a spammer.

Avi


-Original Message-
From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 3:21 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Strange Question


Have the boss just set the reminder flag for Follow up on the e-mail with
the date/time for 20 minutes hence.  It should pop up if the other guy is
using Outlook.

-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4
Director of Information Services
Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert
http://www.hawaiilawyer.com
 

 -Original Message-
 From: Avi Smith-Rapaport [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:49
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Strange Question
 
 I was explained that it is more for urgent email from certain people.
 
 Like if the owner emailed to my boss something that needed to 
 be done it would pop up in his mail box vs. someone sending 
 him an idiotic joke.  To me it just seems like a crutch for 
 someone who isn't doing their work in keeping up with email 
 if that is part of their responsibilities.
 
 I am not to know the true reason behind this, for whatever 
 secretive reason, I know I know how ridiculous and how can I 
 give someone what I don't know they want, but alas, this is 
 where I am asking for advice for the gurus.  You guys read 
 minds right?
 
 Avi
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:53 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Strange Question
 
 
 As with many things, it all comes back to Ed C.'s quote.
 
 The bigger question for Avi to pose to his boss is what is to 
 be accomplished here?  Is it to track that a user is sitting 
 at his/her desk?  To ensure that emails get read?  To ensure 
 that tasks get done within 20 minutes?  What is the business 
 goal that is to be accomplished?  Mebbe there is a better 
 solution that can be offered instead of an email kludge.
 
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Ken Cornetet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:46 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  
  I envision a solution like this:
  
  Boss points browser to a web server with a CGI app (perl, vb,
  whatever)
  where he enters a recipient (or picks a pre-entered 
 recipient - that 
  would help ensure it wasn't abused) and types his message. This app 
  sends the message (via CDO or SMTP) and creates a flag 
 (flat file, 
  database record, etc) that records the time sent and the recipient.
  
  The app appends a URL to another app that the recipient 
 clicks on to 
  acknowledge the message. This deletes the flag.
  
  Yet another app (not web based, but scheduled to run every few 
  minutes) checks for flags and resends reminders.
  
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Avi Smith-Rapaport [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:33 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Strange Question
  
  
  Alright...
  That didn't go over so well.
  He is sticking to his guns and is throwing this into the mix.
  
  2 willing participants.
  Meaning, let's say that Erik decides he will accept this type of 
  request from me so if I choose to I can send him an email 
 and mark it, 
  respond in 20 min, then if he doesn't respond in 20 minutes 
 to me then 
  it will re-email, or pop up a window on his pc whatever. The two 
  willing participants definitely seems more like something, no? It 
  seems to me like when he gets and email from certain people 
 he wants 
  it to go to some reminder type of a system although the 
 sender is the 
  person that would set the reminder intervals. confused?
  
  
  Avi
  
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:31 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Strange Question
  
  
  Can we go to mount Splashmore? 
  Can we go to mount Splashmore? 
  Can we go to mount Splashmore? 
  Can we go to mount Splashmore? 
  Can we go to mount Splashmore? 
  Can we go to mount Splashmore? 
  Can we go to mount Splashmore? 
  Can we go to mount Splashmore? 
  
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Steck, Herb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:50 AM
   To: Exchange Discussions
   
   Then tell him you will send him pages every 2 minutes, 
 then call on 
   his cel phone every minute, then send him a fax every 30 seconds 
   until he replies 

RE: Q302254 Virtual Memory

2003-06-12 Thread Fyodorov, Andrey
I think /3GB switch should be used if you have 1GB RAM or more. However it
is only applicable on Advanced Server.

-Original Message-
From: Jeffrey G. Witt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:45 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Q302254 Virtual Memory


Could some one please clarify an issue for me. I am running E2k sp3 on
W2k server SP3. A few days ago everyone was complaining that Outlook was
locking up. I found the the Virtual memory was down to about 4. Over
night I restarted the exchange server and everything seems to be normal
again. I found Q302254 which at the bottom has this note:

IMPORTANT: Note that it is not recommended that you run Windows 2000
Server with anything more than 2 GB of memory (that is, do not use the
/3GB switch), when you are running Exchange 2000 because anything over
that amount is unused. If the Store.exe process runs out of virtual
address space, the memory is all on the server. To get the best use out
of the added memory, run Windows 2000 Advanced Server, not Windows 2000
Server. The /3GB switch has advantages only when you use it on a Windows
2000 Advanced Server-based computer. 

On the exchange server I have 2.5 gigs of memory I do not have the /3GB
switch set in the boot.ini file. Does this note mean that I should not
use more than 2 gigs of memory? Or is it okay to have more but not to
use the /3GB switch? Does Microsoft recommend taking memory out of my
server?

Jeffrey Witt 
System Administrator 
Huf North America 
Work: (414) 365-8146 
Mobile: (262) 227-1719
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PF hierarchy replication - was:RE: Question about public folders

2003-06-12 Thread Fyodorov, Andrey
Another weird thing. We basically have two PF servers. One of them (the
original) has full hierarchy. Another one only has partial hierarchy and no
matter what we do is not getting full hierarchy.

What could be causing this?

-Original Message-
From: Hutchins, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:16 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Question about public folders


Right Click Database and look at the box that says default public folder
server.


-Original Message-
From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 1:53 PM
To: Exchange Discussions

Hi all,

I need a brain refresh...

here is the scenario:

there is an Exchange 2000 server (server A) that only holds users'
maiboxes, it does not have a PF store.

there are two Exchange 2000 servers (server C and server D) with PF
stores.

All the servers are in the same Admin group and in the same Routing
group.

A user whose mailbox is on server A sends a message to a mail-enabled
public folder. The message always wants to be delivered to server B
(according to message tracking).

How does Exchange decide which PF server to deliver message to? Is it
supposed to be random or is there some preference set up somewhere?

Thanks,

Andrey Fyodorov
Systems Engineer
Messaging  Collaboration
Spherion Corporation

P.S. the real kicker is that server B does not have a replica of that
mail-enabled PF. Only server C has it.


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RE: Strange Question

2003-06-12 Thread Avi Smith-Rapaport
Ed,

I appreciate the kind thoughts and straightforward attitude.
Believe it or not I used your quote and then he backed himself into a corner and got 
defensive.
Think the flag for follow up will make him happy though.

Avs



-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 2:10 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Strange Question


Just tell him no.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Avi Smith-Rapaport
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:22 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Strange Question


My boss asked me this morning.

Is there any type of program or something that if you send someone an email,
it will resend the email let's say every 20 minutes 

until they respond to you?

He has not told me why he wants this and I did have the discussion about the
behavoral issues etc.

Avi


We run exchange 2k and outlook client



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RE: additional display name?

2003-06-12 Thread Ed Crowley
I've long thought Exchange (and now AD) needs an alias object type for
just this kind of purpose.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
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Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 1:24 PM
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Subject: additional display name?


Does anyone know of a way to have both a maiden name and married name appear
as distinct display names in the OAB, yet have them both point to the same
account?

E2ksp3

Thanks,
Gordon


























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RE: additional display name?

2003-06-12 Thread Tony Hlabse
Yep been getting alot of those as of late.

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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:38:25 -0700
I've long thought Exchange (and now AD) needs an alias object type for
just this kind of purpose.
Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
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Does anyone know of a way to have both a maiden name and married name appear
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RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?

2003-06-12 Thread Matt Plahtinsky
Thanks for all the replies.  Death to POP!!! (evil laugh Ha. Ha. Ha.
.)

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:56 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?


Your thinking is right on the money. If someone POPs their mail to a
local PC and opens a virus, chances are that virus is going to head
straight for the user OL contacts or the GAL. 
No way do we allow POP mail access. 


-Original Message-
From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:52 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

List,

This might be more appropriate for a firewall/security list but it
involves email and I don't belong to one of those yet so I'll post my
question here.  I'm curious as to how many of your companies allow
internal clients to access POP mail externally.  The reason I'm asking
is because I see POP mail as security risk.  Let me explain.  Our
firewall strips all but a few attachments from our incoming SMTP email.
With POP however attachments cannot be striped leaving a hole for new
virus that aren't detectable yet by our virus software.  I'm going to
try to talk management into letting me block POP.  Is blocking incoming
POP something other company do?  Is there some other way to secure
incoming POP mail?

Matt




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RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?

2003-06-12 Thread Blunt, James H (Jim)
[bad grade-school joke]

Q:  What goes, Ha ha ha...plop, Ha ha ha...plop, Ha ha ha...plop?

A:  Someone laughing their head off!

[\bad grade-school joke]

-Original Message-
From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 12:50 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?


Thanks for all the replies.  Death to POP!!! (evil laugh Ha. Ha. Ha.
.)

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:56 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?


Your thinking is right on the money. If someone POPs their mail to a local
PC and opens a virus, chances are that virus is going to head straight for
the user OL contacts or the GAL. 
No way do we allow POP mail access. 


-Original Message-
From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:52 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

List,

This might be more appropriate for a firewall/security list but it involves
email and I don't belong to one of those yet so I'll post my question here.
I'm curious as to how many of your companies allow internal clients to
access POP mail externally.  The reason I'm asking is because I see POP mail
as security risk.  Let me explain.  Our firewall strips all but a few
attachments from our incoming SMTP email. With POP however attachments
cannot be striped leaving a hole for new virus that aren't detectable yet by
our virus software.  I'm going to try to talk management into letting me
block POP.  Is blocking incoming POP something other company do?  Is there
some other way to secure incoming POP mail?

Matt




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RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?

2003-06-12 Thread jp
We allow pop, but utilize sendmail for SMTP.
Then we have a service for spam and virus protection, and then we have virus 
protection on the server as well.

Does that help at all?

John Parker, MCSE
IS Admin.
Senior Technical Specialist
Digital Display Systems.
Alpha Video

Be excellent to each other
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RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?

2003-06-12 Thread Erik Sojka
Mmmm.  Man hours.   

Presumably since you are posting to an Exchange list, you are running
Exchange.  If you just want a POP server you have wasted your money.  

If remote access is an issue, set up OWA.  If virusesiises are an issue, run
AV software on your Exchange boxes.  

 
 -Original Message-
 From: Joshua R. Morgan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:58 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 
 I agree with you from a Security Standpoint that POP has 
 certain risks,
 but maybe a better topic for management is the additional headache POP
 is from a support standpoint..   Imagine if you will a 
 Marketing person
 gets a new machine at home, this person sets up outlook to 
 download via
 POP3, instead of choosing to leave the messages on the server they opt
 to download everything and remove (could be a simple mistake) however
 when they come into work the next day all their email is gone. Now you
 could restore from backup which = man-hours or you could have the guy
 bring in his machine and copy all the data from it which = man hours.
 However if you are running Exchange this Marketing guy could have
 accessed via OWA or VPN, or even if you were not using Exchange VPN or
 some 3rd Party web tool..
 
 
 In other words Pop = Bad
 
 
 Joshua
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Joshua Morgan
 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:52 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?
 
 
 List,
 
 This might be more appropriate for a firewall/security list but it
 involves email and I don't belong to one of those yet so I'll post my
 question here.  I'm curious as to how many of your companies allow
 internal clients to access POP mail externally.  The reason I'm asking
 is because I see POP mail as security risk.  Let me explain.  Our
 firewall strips all but a few attachments from our incoming 
 SMTP email.
 With POP however attachments cannot be striped leaving a hole for new
 virus that aren't detectable yet by our virus software.  I'm going to
 try to talk management into letting me block POP.  Is 
 blocking incoming
 POP something other company do?  Is there some other way to secure
 incoming POP mail?
 
 Matt
 
 
 
 
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RE: PF hierarchy replication - was:RE: Question about public fold ers

2003-06-12 Thread Fyodorov, Andrey
guess what - duplicate SMTP addresses caused this. Just mere existence of
them.

-Original Message-
From: Fyodorov, Andrey 
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 2:20 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: PF hierarchy replication - was:RE: Question about public
folders


Another weird thing. We basically have two PF servers. One of them (the
original) has full hierarchy. Another one only has partial hierarchy and no
matter what we do is not getting full hierarchy.

What could be causing this?

-Original Message-
From: Hutchins, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:16 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Question about public folders


Right Click Database and look at the box that says default public folder
server.


-Original Message-
From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 1:53 PM
To: Exchange Discussions

Hi all,

I need a brain refresh...

here is the scenario:

there is an Exchange 2000 server (server A) that only holds users'
maiboxes, it does not have a PF store.

there are two Exchange 2000 servers (server C and server D) with PF
stores.

All the servers are in the same Admin group and in the same Routing
group.

A user whose mailbox is on server A sends a message to a mail-enabled
public folder. The message always wants to be delivered to server B
(according to message tracking).

How does Exchange decide which PF server to deliver message to? Is it
supposed to be random or is there some preference set up somewhere?

Thanks,

Andrey Fyodorov
Systems Engineer
Messaging  Collaboration
Spherion Corporation

P.S. the real kicker is that server B does not have a replica of that
mail-enabled PF. Only server C has it.


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RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?

2003-06-12 Thread Ed Crowley
I believe the question here was specifically whether to allow internal POP
clients to pull their mail (personal, presumably) from outside sources.  To
that, I would agree it is a very poor idea to allow that.

As to whether to allow POP usage from outside, I would also agree that
allowing it is a poor idea, but there are ways to make it not so poor.  Even
though it is primative, POP is still a protocol that is necessary for
clients running on non-Windows platforms.  You can configure Exchange 2000
to support only POP with SSL, somewhat reducing the vulnerability, or,
better yet, allow it only through a VPN.  Still, I would be encouraging such
users to try to use IMAP instead, but it is not without its risks as well.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sojka
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:09 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?


Mmmm.  Man hours.   

Presumably since you are posting to an Exchange list, you are running
Exchange.  If you just want a POP server you have wasted your money.  

If remote access is an issue, set up OWA.  If virusesiises are an issue, run
AV software on your Exchange boxes.  

 
 -Original Message-
 From: Joshua R. Morgan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:58 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 
 I agree with you from a Security Standpoint that POP has
 certain risks,
 but maybe a better topic for management is the additional headache POP
 is from a support standpoint..   Imagine if you will a 
 Marketing person
 gets a new machine at home, this person sets up outlook to 
 download via
 POP3, instead of choosing to leave the messages on the server they opt
 to download everything and remove (could be a simple mistake) however
 when they come into work the next day all their email is gone. Now you
 could restore from backup which = man-hours or you could have the guy
 bring in his machine and copy all the data from it which = man hours.
 However if you are running Exchange this Marketing guy could have
 accessed via OWA or VPN, or even if you were not using Exchange VPN or
 some 3rd Party web tool..
 
 
 In other words Pop = Bad
 
 
 Joshua
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Joshua Morgan
 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:52 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?
 
 
 List,
 
 This might be more appropriate for a firewall/security list but it 
 involves email and I don't belong to one of those yet so I'll post my 
 question here.  I'm curious as to how many of your companies allow 
 internal clients to access POP mail externally.  The reason I'm asking 
 is because I see POP mail as security risk.  Let me explain.  Our 
 firewall strips all but a few attachments from our incoming SMTP 
 email. With POP however attachments cannot be striped leaving a hole 
 for new virus that aren't detectable yet by our virus software.  I'm 
 going to try to talk management into letting me block POP.  Is
 blocking incoming
 POP something other company do?  Is there some other way to secure
 incoming POP mail?
 
 Matt
 
 
 
 
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RE: RUS problems

2003-06-12 Thread Ed Crowley
Put the DLL file back until you can find out why it's still looking for it.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Woodruff, Michael
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:28 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RUS problems


Sure, but where does it go?  The event doesn't have a path or anything to
the file I am missing.  Thanks. 


-Original Message-
From: Hutchins, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:27 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

Hmm... We had a similar problem with Faxmaker, although one of our servers
in Boston had it previously. If you want, I can send you the DLL it is
looking for so it will shut up. :-)

Might not figure out why it's doing it, but it will make the RUS work again.



-Original Message-
From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 9:25 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

Yeah, it is not present in any of them.


-Original Message-
From: Hutchins, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:25 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

Did you check all of your recipient policies? It doesn't need to be checked,
just present to hose it up. 


-Original Message-
From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 9:21 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

Well  I rebooted the server and the RUS stamped the new users. That's
great.  It starting to break again today.  Now I am seeing an event ID: 2035
(Q286356)which is pointing at a FAXMAKER address type. Faxmaker doesn't
exist anymore and hasn't for a year or so now.  Why it is just now popping
up I don't know.  I have looked and this address type doesn't exist
anywhere.  I used ADSI to check everywhere that this type could exist...
Nothing.  


-Original Message-
From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 11:01 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

There were issues with the system attendant's detection logic that could
potentially result in stuck threads, causing issues such as the RUS not
stamping addresses.  I don't recall seeing that myself, but a system
attenant service cycle is a quick and free sanity check before calling PSS!

Neil

-Original Message-
From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: 09 June
2003 15:56 Posted To: Swynk Exchange List
Conversation: RUS problems
Subject: RE: RUS problems


Nope Not yet.  I am going to reboot tonight. 


-Original Message-
From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 10:55 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

Out of interest, have you at any point cycled the System Attendant service
on your E2k box?

Neil

-Original Message-
From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: 09 June
2003 15:41 Posted To: Swynk Exchange List
Conversation: RUS problems
Subject: RE: RUS problems


I checked all of this.  I don't get any errors in the application log except
the one mentioned.  Everything is set to maximum logging.  I'm stuck. 


-Original Message-
From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 10:23 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

Four common ways the RUS can break:

These are the most common ways that the RUS can break:

1) RUS configuration references a deleted DC or E2K server, or the servers
defined in RUS configuration are flakey at best.  Browse both entries and
choose alternates, if available.

2) Inheritable permissions are removed on an OU and the RUS is no longer
able to reach the objects within it.  (Q297124)

3) RUS is unable to generate email addresses because it is unable to locate
a third party email address generator (DLL file).  This can occur in mixed
environments where an Exchange 5.5 server had fax software or the like
installed.  Exchange 2000 builds its recipient policies based on Ex55 site
addressing (which includes the third party address).  Since the DLL does not
exist on the E2K server used by the RUS, the RUS will fire Event IDs 2035,
2037, and 2027 if MSExchangeAL logging is set to max.  (Q286356)

4) If the RUS encounters a distribution list that has its membership hidden,
it will not be able to stamp it with mail attributes and will go to sleep.
(Q287137)

Neil

-Original Message-
From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: 09 June
2003 15:03 Posted To: Swynk Exchange List
Conversation: RUS problems
Subject: RE: RUS problems


Yeah, I have the correct server selected.  I have also tried another in the
same site.  This is definitely weird.  No errors at all.  I might need to
consult PSS on this one.  Thanks. 


-Original Message-
From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 10:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

It's a silly question, I know, but did you make sure the RUS is pointing to
the correct (and 

RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?

2003-06-12 Thread Erik Sojka
Allowing employees to POP personal mail?  Hmmm I didn't see that in the
question but it's als a bad idea...

 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 4:46 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 
 I believe the question here was specifically whether to allow 
 internal POP
 clients to pull their mail (personal, presumably) from 
 outside sources.  To
 that, I would agree it is a very poor idea to allow that.
 
 As to whether to allow POP usage from outside, I would also agree that
 allowing it is a poor idea, but there are ways to make it not 
 so poor.  Even
 though it is primative, POP is still a protocol that is necessary for
 clients running on non-Windows platforms.  You can configure 
 Exchange 2000
 to support only POP with SSL, somewhat reducing the vulnerability, or,
 better yet, allow it only through a VPN.  Still, I would be 
 encouraging such
 users to try to use IMAP instead, but it is not without its 
 risks as well.
 
 Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
 Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
 Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sojka
 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:09 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?
 
 
 Mmmm.  Man hours.   
 
 Presumably since you are posting to an Exchange list, you are running
 Exchange.  If you just want a POP server you have wasted your money.  
 
 If remote access is an issue, set up OWA.  If virusesiises 
 are an issue, run
 AV software on your Exchange boxes.  
 
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Joshua R. Morgan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:58 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  
  I agree with you from a Security Standpoint that POP has
  certain risks,
  but maybe a better topic for management is the additional 
 headache POP
  is from a support standpoint..   Imagine if you will a 
  Marketing person
  gets a new machine at home, this person sets up outlook to 
  download via
  POP3, instead of choosing to leave the messages on the 
 server they opt
  to download everything and remove (could be a simple 
 mistake) however
  when they come into work the next day all their email is 
 gone. Now you
  could restore from backup which = man-hours or you could 
 have the guy
  bring in his machine and copy all the data from it which = 
 man hours.
  However if you are running Exchange this Marketing guy could have
  accessed via OWA or VPN, or even if you were not using 
 Exchange VPN or
  some 3rd Party web tool..
  
  
  In other words Pop = Bad
  
  
  Joshua
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Joshua Morgan
  Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:52 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?
  
  
  List,
  
  This might be more appropriate for a firewall/security list but it 
  involves email and I don't belong to one of those yet so 
 I'll post my 
  question here.  I'm curious as to how many of your companies allow 
  internal clients to access POP mail externally.  The reason 
 I'm asking 
  is because I see POP mail as security risk.  Let me explain.  Our 
  firewall strips all but a few attachments from our incoming SMTP 
  email. With POP however attachments cannot be striped 
 leaving a hole 
  for new virus that aren't detectable yet by our virus 
 software.  I'm 
  going to try to talk management into letting me block POP.  Is
  blocking incoming
  POP something other company do?  Is there some other way to secure
  incoming POP mail?
  
  Matt
  
  
  
  
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RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?

2003-06-12 Thread Durkee, Peter
I think the original question must have related to POPing out for personal mail, 
because otherwise the normal attachment stripping would occur. Clearly if you're just 
popping into your regular Exchange mailbox, you're just as protected from viruses as 
you are accessing it any other way.

-Peter


-Original Message-
From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 14:04
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?


Allowing employees to POP personal mail?  Hmmm I didn't see that in the
question but it's als a bad idea...

 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 4:46 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 
 I believe the question here was specifically whether to allow 
 internal POP
 clients to pull their mail (personal, presumably) from 
 outside sources.  To
 that, I would agree it is a very poor idea to allow that.
 
 As to whether to allow POP usage from outside, I would also agree that
 allowing it is a poor idea, but there are ways to make it not 
 so poor.  Even
 though it is primative, POP is still a protocol that is necessary for
 clients running on non-Windows platforms.  You can configure 
 Exchange 2000
 to support only POP with SSL, somewhat reducing the vulnerability, or,
 better yet, allow it only through a VPN.  Still, I would be 
 encouraging such
 users to try to use IMAP instead, but it is not without its 
 risks as well.
 
 Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
 Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
 Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sojka
 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:09 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?
 
 
 Mmmm.  Man hours.   
 
 Presumably since you are posting to an Exchange list, you are running
 Exchange.  If you just want a POP server you have wasted your money.  
 
 If remote access is an issue, set up OWA.  If virusesiises 
 are an issue, run
 AV software on your Exchange boxes.  
 
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Joshua R. Morgan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:58 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  
  I agree with you from a Security Standpoint that POP has
  certain risks,
  but maybe a better topic for management is the additional 
 headache POP
  is from a support standpoint..   Imagine if you will a 
  Marketing person
  gets a new machine at home, this person sets up outlook to 
  download via
  POP3, instead of choosing to leave the messages on the 
 server they opt
  to download everything and remove (could be a simple 
 mistake) however
  when they come into work the next day all their email is 
 gone. Now you
  could restore from backup which = man-hours or you could 
 have the guy
  bring in his machine and copy all the data from it which = 
 man hours.
  However if you are running Exchange this Marketing guy could have
  accessed via OWA or VPN, or even if you were not using 
 Exchange VPN or
  some 3rd Party web tool..
  
  
  In other words Pop = Bad
  
  
  Joshua
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Joshua Morgan
  Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:52 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?
  
  
  List,
  
  This might be more appropriate for a firewall/security list but it 
  involves email and I don't belong to one of those yet so 
 I'll post my 
  question here.  I'm curious as to how many of your companies allow 
  internal clients to access POP mail externally.  The reason 
 I'm asking 
  is because I see POP mail as security risk.  Let me explain.  Our 
  firewall strips all but a few attachments from our incoming SMTP 
  email. With POP however attachments cannot be striped 
 leaving a hole 
  for new virus that aren't detectable yet by our virus 
 software.  I'm 
  going to try to talk management into letting me block POP.  Is
  blocking incoming
  POP something other company do?  Is there some other way to secure
  incoming POP mail?
  
  Matt
  
  
  
  
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RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?

2003-06-12 Thread Matt Plahtinsky
The reason I asked the original question is because I work at a .EDU
All mail goes to a [EMAIL PROTECTED] address on a central campus server.
From there people either have their mail forwarded to their department
mail server like
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (my exchange server) address or use POP to
down load their mail from the campus server.  I have been trying to get
management to force everyone to go through my exchange server so my
firewall can strip all those bad attachment types.  As it is a virus can
sneak into my network with an attachment through POP.  All my anti-virus
software is set to update daily but if a new virus is able to make it in
via POP before my anti-virus software updates.  BAM  lots and lots
of work :(

Matt




-Original Message-
From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 5:32 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?


I think the original question must have related to POPing out for
personal mail, because otherwise the normal attachment stripping would
occur. Clearly if you're just popping into your regular Exchange
mailbox, you're just as protected from viruses as you are accessing it
any other way.

-Peter


-Original Message-
From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 14:04
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?


Allowing employees to POP personal mail?  Hmmm I didn't see that in the
question but it's als a bad idea...

 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 4:46 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 
 I believe the question here was specifically whether to allow
 internal POP
 clients to pull their mail (personal, presumably) from 
 outside sources.  To
 that, I would agree it is a very poor idea to allow that.
 
 As to whether to allow POP usage from outside, I would also agree that

 allowing it is a poor idea, but there are ways to make it not so poor.

 Even though it is primative, POP is still a protocol that is necessary

 for clients running on non-Windows platforms.  You can configure
 Exchange 2000
 to support only POP with SSL, somewhat reducing the vulnerability, or,
 better yet, allow it only through a VPN.  Still, I would be 
 encouraging such
 users to try to use IMAP instead, but it is not without its 
 risks as well.
 
 Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
 Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
 Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sojka
 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:09 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?
 
 
 Mmmm.  Man hours.   
 
 Presumably since you are posting to an Exchange list, you are running 
 Exchange.  If you just want a POP server you have wasted your money.
 
 If remote access is an issue, set up OWA.  If virusesiises
 are an issue, run
 AV software on your Exchange boxes.  
 
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Joshua R. Morgan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:58 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  
  I agree with you from a Security Standpoint that POP has certain 
  risks, but maybe a better topic for management is the additional
 headache POP
  is from a support standpoint..   Imagine if you will a 
  Marketing person
  gets a new machine at home, this person sets up outlook to
  download via
  POP3, instead of choosing to leave the messages on the 
 server they opt
  to download everything and remove (could be a simple
 mistake) however
  when they come into work the next day all their email is
 gone. Now you
  could restore from backup which = man-hours or you could
 have the guy
  bring in his machine and copy all the data from it which =
 man hours.
  However if you are running Exchange this Marketing guy could have 
  accessed via OWA or VPN, or even if you were not using
 Exchange VPN or
  some 3rd Party web tool..
  
  
  In other words Pop = Bad
  
  
  Joshua
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Joshua Morgan
  Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:52 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?
  
  
  List,
  
  This might be more appropriate for a firewall/security list but it
  involves email and I don't belong to one of those yet so 
 I'll post my
  question here.  I'm curious as to how many of your companies allow
  internal clients to access POP mail externally.  The reason 
 I'm asking
  is because I see POP mail as security risk.  Let me explain.  Our
  firewall strips all but a few attachments from our incoming SMTP 
  email. With POP however attachments cannot be striped 
 leaving a hole
  for new virus that aren't detectable yet by our virus
 software.  I'm
  going to try to talk management into letting me block POP.  Is 
  blocking incoming POP something other 

RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?

2003-06-12 Thread Erik Sojka
That clarifies it, and I know it is difficult to do the right thing when
supporting a University.  

So you *were* talking about staff POPping your mail from the Exchange server.
Eat that, Ed!  [1]

You may be able to propose a compromise:
- All SMTP mail must be delivered to the Exchange server and be AV scanned.
- Disallow file types that are commonly used to send virusesiises.  The
Martin Blackstone list in Appendix F of the FAQ may help here.  Can I assume
that if these people are using University computers, they have
University-installed and -managed AV software running on them?  That may also
mitigate the virus risk and provide another level of protection.
- Allow IMAP instead of POP?

[1] Totally kidding!!


 
 -Original Message-
 From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 6:35 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 
 The reason I asked the original question is because I work at a .EDU
 All mail goes to a [EMAIL PROTECTED] address on a central 
 campus server.
 From there people either have their mail forwarded to their department
 mail server like
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (my exchange server) address or 
 use POP to
 down load their mail from the campus server.  I have been 
 trying to get
 management to force everyone to go through my exchange server so my
 firewall can strip all those bad attachment types.  As it is 
 a virus can
 sneak into my network with an attachment through POP.  All my 
 anti-virus
 software is set to update daily but if a new virus is able to 
 make it in
 via POP before my anti-virus software updates.  BAM  lots and lots
 of work :(
 
 Matt
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 5:32 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?
 
 
 I think the original question must have related to POPing out for
 personal mail, because otherwise the normal attachment stripping would
 occur. Clearly if you're just popping into your regular Exchange
 mailbox, you're just as protected from viruses as you are accessing it
 any other way.
 
 -Peter
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 14:04
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?
 
 
 Allowing employees to POP personal mail?  Hmmm I didn't see 
 that in the
 question but it's als a bad idea...
 
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 4:46 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  
  I believe the question here was specifically whether to allow
  internal POP
  clients to pull their mail (personal, presumably) from 
  outside sources.  To
  that, I would agree it is a very poor idea to allow that.
  
  As to whether to allow POP usage from outside, I would also 
 agree that
 
  allowing it is a poor idea, but there are ways to make it 
 not so poor.
 
  Even though it is primative, POP is still a protocol that 
 is necessary
 
  for clients running on non-Windows platforms.  You can configure
  Exchange 2000
  to support only POP with SSL, somewhat reducing the 
 vulnerability, or,
  better yet, allow it only through a VPN.  Still, I would be 
  encouraging such
  users to try to use IMAP instead, but it is not without its 
  risks as well.
  
  Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
  Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
  Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sojka
  Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:09 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?
  
  
  Mmmm.  Man hours.   
  
  Presumably since you are posting to an Exchange list, you 
 are running 
  Exchange.  If you just want a POP server you have wasted your money.
  
  If remote access is an issue, set up OWA.  If virusesiises
  are an issue, run
  AV software on your Exchange boxes.  
  
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Joshua R. Morgan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:58 PM
   To: Exchange Discussions
   
   I agree with you from a Security Standpoint that POP has certain 
   risks, but maybe a better topic for management is the additional
  headache POP
   is from a support standpoint..   Imagine if you will a 
   Marketing person
   gets a new machine at home, this person sets up outlook to
   download via
   POP3, instead of choosing to leave the messages on the 
  server they opt
   to download everything and remove (could be a simple
  mistake) however
   when they come into work the next day all their email is
  gone. Now you
   could restore from backup which = man-hours or you could
  have the guy
   bring in his machine and copy all the data from it which =
  man hours.
   However if you are running Exchange this Marketing guy could have 
   accessed via OWA or VPN, or even if you were not using
  Exchange VPN or
   some 

RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?

2003-06-12 Thread Ed Crowley
Didn't he say that everyone downloads from his Exchange server?  Then what's
the problem?  All mail comes to the Exchange server first, right?

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sojka
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 3:44 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?


That clarifies it, and I know it is difficult to do the right thing when
supporting a University.  

So you *were* talking about staff POPping your mail from the Exchange
server. Eat that, Ed!  [1]

You may be able to propose a compromise:
- All SMTP mail must be delivered to the Exchange server and be AV scanned.
- Disallow file types that are commonly used to send virusesiises.  The
Martin Blackstone list in Appendix F of the FAQ may help here.  Can I assume
that if these people are using University computers, they have
University-installed and -managed AV software running on them?  That may
also mitigate the virus risk and provide another level of protection.
- Allow IMAP instead of POP?

[1] Totally kidding!!


 
 -Original Message-
 From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 6:35 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 
 The reason I asked the original question is because I work at a .EDU 
 All mail goes to a [EMAIL PROTECTED] address on a central campus 
 server. From there people either have their mail forwarded to their 
 department mail server like
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (my exchange server) address or 
 use POP to
 down load their mail from the campus server.  I have been 
 trying to get
 management to force everyone to go through my exchange server so my
 firewall can strip all those bad attachment types.  As it is 
 a virus can
 sneak into my network with an attachment through POP.  All my 
 anti-virus
 software is set to update daily but if a new virus is able to 
 make it in
 via POP before my anti-virus software updates.  BAM  lots and lots
 of work :(
 
 Matt
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 5:32 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?
 
 
 I think the original question must have related to POPing out for 
 personal mail, because otherwise the normal attachment stripping would 
 occur. Clearly if you're just popping into your regular Exchange 
 mailbox, you're just as protected from viruses as you are accessing it 
 any other way.
 
 -Peter
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 14:04
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?
 
 
 Allowing employees to POP personal mail?  Hmmm I didn't see
 that in the
 question but it's als a bad idea...
 
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 4:46 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  
  I believe the question here was specifically whether to allow 
  internal POP clients to pull their mail (personal, presumably) from
  outside sources.  To
  that, I would agree it is a very poor idea to allow that.
  
  As to whether to allow POP usage from outside, I would also
 agree that
 
  allowing it is a poor idea, but there are ways to make it
 not so poor.
 
  Even though it is primative, POP is still a protocol that
 is necessary
 
  for clients running on non-Windows platforms.  You can configure 
  Exchange 2000 to support only POP with SSL, somewhat reducing the
 vulnerability, or,
  better yet, allow it only through a VPN.  Still, I would be
  encouraging such
  users to try to use IMAP instead, but it is not without its 
  risks as well.
  
  Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
  Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
  Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sojka
  Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:09 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?
  
  
  Mmmm.  Man hours.   
  
  Presumably since you are posting to an Exchange list, you
 are running
  Exchange.  If you just want a POP server you have wasted your money.
  
  If remote access is an issue, set up OWA.  If virusesiises are an 
  issue, run AV software on your Exchange boxes.
  
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Joshua R. Morgan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:58 PM
   To: Exchange Discussions
   
   I agree with you from a Security Standpoint that POP has certain
   risks, but maybe a better topic for management is the additional
  headache POP
   is from a support standpoint..   Imagine if you will a 
   Marketing person
   gets a new machine at home, this person sets up outlook to 
   download via POP3, instead of choosing to leave the messages on 
   the
  server they opt
   

RE: Why would I want to go to Exchange 2003/Outlook 2003

2003-06-12 Thread Ed Crowley
I think the big benefit for anyone to upgrade from Exchange 2000 to Exchange
2003 would be those who have extensive branch offices; the benefits of the
cached mode will help performance with a centralized Exchange Server
architecture greatly.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Sadler
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 8:25 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Why would I want to go to Exchange 2003/Outlook 2003


Yes, that may be true.  But my E2K server is very stable itself, and the
benefits of upgrading don't seem much to someone who doesn't need the
ability to download your mailbox to your desktop.



Bob Sadler
City of Leawood, KS, USA
WAN/Internet Specialist
913-339-6700 x194


-Original Message-
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 10:31 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Why would I want to go to Exchange 2003/Outlook 2003


Exchange2003 RC1 has proven to be more stable at Microsoft that
Exchange2000 sp3 

From a session at TechEd. 

All but 1 server at Microsoft have been migrated to Exchange2003. That's
almost 80,000 mailboxes.

William


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Sadler
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 8:09 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

I agree, especially with the Road Warriors comment.

Unfortunately, we don't have any road warriors for the City, as we allow OWA
to be used, and the connection speed for that is just fine for everyone; or
so they say.

I will probably wait to upgrade to Exchange 2003 for at least a year, let
everyone else work out the bugs :)



Bob Sadler
City of Leawood, KS, USA
WAN/Internet Specialist
913-339-6700 x194


-Original Message-
From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 10:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Why would I want to go to Exchange 2003/Outlook 2003




 
 -Original Message-
 From: Mitchell Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 09 June 2003 15:52
 To: Exchange Discussions
 
 Good morning,
 
 Surely you are laughing by now.  But my management team wants to know
 why I want to spend all of this money for Exchange 2003/Outlook 2003.

 I mean we are currently on Outlook 98 and Exchange 5.5.
 
 How do I justify the expense and get it in the budget for 2004.
 Help!!!

What would these do that your current system doesn't do (easy enough to
figure out) that you will need / want to do in future (not so easy)?

How important is continued support from Microsoft to you? Do you have a lot
of road warriors or people on remote sites with relatively slow links?

Are you running Windows 2000 or 2003 active directory? If so then it makes
good sense not to have to maintain 2 user directories and upgrading to a
newer version of exchange would enable this.


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RE: Best Practices for Exchange2K Implementation

2003-06-12 Thread Ed Crowley
If you can put these users on an Exchange 2003 Server with Outlook 11, they
can run in cached mode, and may reduce your need to distribute Exchange
servers.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gagrani, Kishore
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 4:27 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Best Practices for Exchange2K Implementation


Hi all,

We are a small company but spread out offices all around.

I wonder what would be a justified number of users (mailboxes) to host a
exchange server (Exchange 2K-SP3 )  in a remote office. Does anyone use MAPI
client over internet to connect to exchange server ? Are there any
recommended settings in Outlook (Outlook-2000) to minimize the network
traffic (specially for those who are on dial-up internet access) ?

I would really appreciate any feedback in this regard.

Thank you in anticipation,

Kishore 

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RE: Recovery Help. Request made from a new Exchange Admin.

2003-06-12 Thread Ed Crowley
Download this, print, read, understand and live this:

http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/techinfo/administration/55/BackupRestore.a
sp

You should build a recovery server with the same version, service pack and
patch level as when the backup was taken.  (I hope you have appropriate logs
to determine this!)  Uild this server with Exchange, building a new
organization and site but specifying the exact same--including upper and
lower case letters--organization and site names as the server from which the
backup was taken.  Then do your restore, and, if necessary, use Outlook to
copy the data to a PST and from the PST to whatever production mailbox you
want.

You should then periodically rebuild this recovery server in a similar
fashion and use it to test your restores on a periodic basis.  You can even
run ISINTEG and ESEUTIL on them for validation and testing purposes.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of labigdawrg
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 5:25 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Recovery Help. Request made from a new Exchange Admin.


Thank you to Samantha for the kind words and to the warm welcome from the
guy whose knowledge on the subject resulted in no help at all.

I specifically asked within my post if what my thought process at the time
was logical and could result in a solution or should I build another
Exchange server. If you read the first part of the message, I clearly stated
that it was my second day on the job.

I understand that a DR environment is necessary but was not available and to
give a little more information I was not looking for anyone to do my job but
rather some direction since the 2yr data that needed to be retrieved was for
litigation purposes and should have been done weeks earlier prior to my new
responsibility. Add to that that there is no DR environment and that the
email backups take place on a remote server that is not running Exchange
then maybe you can see my dilemma. But I thought at the time that I did not
need to include all of this because I did not care to waste anyone's time.

I may have experience in an area where one day you may need assistance and
just a note to let you know that I will assist to a degree if I can but I
will not waste your time with such comments as the ones you gave. I am not
upset about it but rather request that if you want to respond to a post then
how about trying to help rather than possibly waste the author's time as
well with hollow words?

LABD

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RE: Friday Haiku

2003-06-12 Thread Ed Crowley
Not one of those is haiku.
Count your syllables.
They are not five-seven-five.

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Subject: Friday Haiku


What have I learned here?
I need a wireless toy
No, not one like that

I want to check mail
While sitting in a session
I want better toys

Drunk geeks aren't pretty
Not enough girls for them all
They need cold showers

Walking around here
All these Exchange Guru shirts
Most cannot spell it

Some sessions were good
Other sessions were long naps
I still hate clusters.

stemy

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RE: Sync Folders - Small Bandwith

2003-06-12 Thread Ed Crowley
Being a home and road office worker with DSL, I've really come to love
Outlook 11 and Exchange 2003, both of which, by the way, are required to
make the cache mode (Use local copy) work.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 11:30 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sync Folders - Small Bandwith


If the user is working offline consistently and synchronizing periodically,
I don't see why you'd have an issue. I've set up large numbers of users to
work this way in the past. While Outlook 11 does offer some enhancements,
working offline with an OST is a pretty common scenario.

-Original Message-
From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Monday, June 09, 2003 9:34 AM
Posted To: swynk
Conversation: Sync Folders - Small Bandwith
Subject: RE: Sync Folders - Small Bandwith


Im guessing then that the main disadvantage with current Offline Folder is
the fact that when emails come in you are working from the Mailbox, so you
open a large email and its not held in your Offline Folders until you
synchronise, that means downloading the email again.

Also, what would happen if emails got deleted off the server and people
synchronise?  The synchronise folders will delete the missing emails from
themselves?



So as it stands, Offline Folders are not really a viable solution for small
bandwidth sites as they leave you working from the mailboxes.  By sounds of
things, the best use for Offline Folders would be a 15 minute synch
interval, but once you have a synch of an email are you working from the
synch folder or from the Mailbox when you read them and you are Online?

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RE: Sync Folders - Small Bandwith

2003-06-12 Thread Ben Schorr
Actually cache mode works fine with Exchange 5.5 (I'm using it that way home
and office) and Exchange 2000.  You just are restricted to Full Items sync
when you do it that way.  Exchange 2003 is required to support drizzle mode
(Headers and then Full Items).

Aloha,

-Ben-
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Director of Information Services
Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert
http://www.hawaiilawyer.com
 

 -Original Message-
 From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 13:38
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Sync Folders - Small Bandwith
 
 Being a home and road office worker with DSL, I've really 
 come to love Outlook 11 and Exchange 2003, both of which, by 
 the way, are required to make the cache mode (Use local copy) work.
 
 Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
 Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
 Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
 Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 11:30 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Sync Folders - Small Bandwith
 
 
 If the user is working offline consistently and synchronizing 
 periodically, I don't see why you'd have an issue. I've set 
 up large numbers of users to work this way in the past. While 
 Outlook 11 does offer some enhancements, working offline with 
 an OST is a pretty common scenario.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Posted At: Monday, June 09, 2003 9:34 AM Posted To: swynk
 Conversation: Sync Folders - Small Bandwith
 Subject: RE: Sync Folders - Small Bandwith
 
 
 Im guessing then that the main disadvantage with current 
 Offline Folder is
 the fact that when emails come in you are working from the 
 Mailbox, so you
 open a large email and its not held in your Offline Folders until you
 synchronise, that means downloading the email again.
 
 Also, what would happen if emails got deleted off the server 
 and people
 synchronise?  The synchronise folders will delete the missing 
 emails from
 themselves?
 
 
 
 So as it stands, Offline Folders are not really a viable 
 solution for small
 bandwidth sites as they leave you working from the mailboxes. 
  By sounds of
 things, the best use for Offline Folders would be a 15 minute synch
 interval, but once you have a synch of an email are you 
 working from the
 synch folder or from the Mailbox when you read them and you 
 are Online?
 
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RE: Sync Folders - Small Bandwith

2003-06-12 Thread Ed Crowley
Yeah, it's largely transparent.  The old way requires a little too much
attention from users.  I disliked having to synchronize all the time, so
I've never used it regularly.

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-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 6:50 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sync Folders - Small Bandwith


Actually cache mode works fine with Exchange 5.5 (I'm using it that way home
and office) and Exchange 2000.  You just are restricted to Full Items sync
when you do it that way.  Exchange 2003 is required to support drizzle mode
(Headers and then Full Items).

Aloha,

-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4
Director of Information Services
Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert
http://www.hawaiilawyer.com
 

 -Original Message-
 From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 13:38
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Sync Folders - Small Bandwith
 
 Being a home and road office worker with DSL, I've really
 come to love Outlook 11 and Exchange 2003, both of which, by 
 the way, are required to make the cache mode (Use local copy) work.
 
 Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
 Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
 Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
 Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 11:30 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Sync Folders - Small Bandwith
 
 
 If the user is working offline consistently and synchronizing
 periodically, I don't see why you'd have an issue. I've set 
 up large numbers of users to work this way in the past. While 
 Outlook 11 does offer some enhancements, working offline with 
 an OST is a pretty common scenario.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Neil Doody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Posted At: Monday, June 09, 2003 9:34 AM Posted To: swynk
 Conversation: Sync Folders - Small Bandwith
 Subject: RE: Sync Folders - Small Bandwith
 
 
 Im guessing then that the main disadvantage with current
 Offline Folder is
 the fact that when emails come in you are working from the 
 Mailbox, so you
 open a large email and its not held in your Offline Folders until you
 synchronise, that means downloading the email again.
 
 Also, what would happen if emails got deleted off the server
 and people
 synchronise?  The synchronise folders will delete the missing 
 emails from
 themselves?
 
 
 
 So as it stands, Offline Folders are not really a viable
 solution for small
 bandwidth sites as they leave you working from the mailboxes. 
  By sounds of
 things, the best use for Offline Folders would be a 15 minute synch
 interval, but once you have a synch of an email are you 
 working from the
 synch folder or from the Mailbox when you read them and you 
 are Online?
 
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RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?

2003-06-12 Thread deji
Then in this case I would say it does not matter whether they POP, PIP, or
personally imbibe it, IF your exchange server's AV signature doesn't catch
the Virus, the client will get it.

All the mails go through your Exchange server. Concentrate your efforts on
making your AV work better on the server, and stop worrying about a
non-issue.

HTH

Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE MCSA MCP+I
www.akomolafe.com
www.iyaburo.com
Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
Yesterday?  -anon


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Plahtinsky
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 3:35 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?

The reason I asked the original question is because I work at a .EDU
All mail goes to a [EMAIL PROTECTED] address on a central campus server.
From there people either have their mail forwarded to their department
mail server like
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (my exchange server) address or use POP to
down load their mail from the campus server.  I have been trying to get
management to force everyone to go through my exchange server so my
firewall can strip all those bad attachment types.  As it is a virus can
sneak into my network with an attachment through POP.  All my anti-virus
software is set to update daily but if a new virus is able to make it in
via POP before my anti-virus software updates.  BAM  lots and lots
of work :(

Matt




-Original Message-
From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 5:32 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?


I think the original question must have related to POPing out for
personal mail, because otherwise the normal attachment stripping would
occur. Clearly if you're just popping into your regular Exchange
mailbox, you're just as protected from viruses as you are accessing it
any other way.

-Peter


-Original Message-
From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 14:04
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?


Allowing employees to POP personal mail?  Hmmm I didn't see that in the
question but it's als a bad idea...


 -Original Message-
 From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 4:46 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions

 I believe the question here was specifically whether to allow
 internal POP
 clients to pull their mail (personal, presumably) from
 outside sources.  To
 that, I would agree it is a very poor idea to allow that.

 As to whether to allow POP usage from outside, I would also agree that

 allowing it is a poor idea, but there are ways to make it not so poor.

 Even though it is primative, POP is still a protocol that is necessary

 for clients running on non-Windows platforms.  You can configure
 Exchange 2000
 to support only POP with SSL, somewhat reducing the vulnerability, or,
 better yet, allow it only through a VPN.  Still, I would be
 encouraging such
 users to try to use IMAP instead, but it is not without its
 risks as well.

 Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
 Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
 Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sojka
 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:09 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?


 Mmmm.  Man hours.

 Presumably since you are posting to an Exchange list, you are running
 Exchange.  If you just want a POP server you have wasted your money.

 If remote access is an issue, set up OWA.  If virusesiises
 are an issue, run
 AV software on your Exchange boxes.

 
  -Original Message-
  From: Joshua R. Morgan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:58 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
 
  I agree with you from a Security Standpoint that POP has certain
  risks, but maybe a better topic for management is the additional
 headache POP
  is from a support standpoint..   Imagine if you will a
  Marketing person
  gets a new machine at home, this person sets up outlook to
  download via
  POP3, instead of choosing to leave the messages on the
 server they opt
  to download everything and remove (could be a simple
 mistake) however
  when they come into work the next day all their email is
 gone. Now you
  could restore from backup which = man-hours or you could
 have the guy
  bring in his machine and copy all the data from it which =
 man hours.
  However if you are running Exchange this Marketing guy could have
  accessed via OWA or VPN, or even if you were not using
 Exchange VPN or
  some 3rd Party web tool..
 
 
  In other words Pop = Bad
 
 
  Joshua
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Joshua Morgan
  Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:52 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?
 
 
  List,
 
  This 

RE: Outlook 11

2003-06-12 Thread John Etie
That's one long outlook.

-Original Message-
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 10:27 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Outlook 11


One and the same.

Outlook10 = Outlook2002.
Outlook9=Outlook2000

Outlook12=Outlook2006


- Original Message - 
From: Pham, Tuan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 11:15 AM
Subject: Outlook 11


Sorry I have to ask, what is Outlook 11?  Is that outlook 2003?  Thnx!

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remote mail options

2003-06-12 Thread stines04
We have Exchange 2000 and use OWA (SBS2000). Is there any way to setup
Outlook to access exchage info remotely. Such as a POP type connection?
If a computer is connected to an NT Domain (the remote office) and then
connects to the SBS2000 server via VPN, can I then just plug in the
exchange server info in Outlook?
I know you cannot connect another Domain to SBS2000 but was wounder if
there is a better way to access email from a small remote office.

Thanks!

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RE: Outlook 11

2003-06-12 Thread William Lefkovics
They skip 13.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Etie
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 8:11 PM
To: Exchange Discussions

That's one long outlook.

-Original Message-
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 10:27 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Outlook 11


One and the same.

Outlook10 = Outlook2002.
Outlook9=Outlook2000

Outlook12=Outlook2006


- Original Message - 
From: Pham, Tuan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 11:15 AM
Subject: Outlook 11


Sorry I have to ask, what is Outlook 11?  Is that outlook 2003?  Thnx!


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RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?

2003-06-12 Thread Matt Plahtinsky
Ok Im getting tired and its late and I've been here at work since 8:00am.  I'm going 
to try one more time to clear this up. 
Campus email servers are OpenBSD something or other.  They forward mail to my exchange 
server via SMTP. (not the problem)
Users inside my firewall that don't use my exchange server get their mail from the 
main campus OpenBSD email server via POP. (the problem) Therefore bypassing my ability 
to strip there harmful attachments.  

Matt




-Original Message-
From: deji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:16 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?


Then in this case I would say it does not matter whether they POP, PIP, or personally 
imbibe it, IF your exchange server's AV signature doesn't catch the Virus, the client 
will get it.

All the mails go through your Exchange server. Concentrate your efforts on making your 
AV work better on the server, and stop worrying about a non-issue.

HTH

Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE MCSA MCP+I
www.akomolafe.com
www.iyaburo.com
Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday?  -anon


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Plahtinsky
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 3:35 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?

The reason I asked the original question is because I work at a .EDU All mail goes to 
a [EMAIL PROTECTED] address on a central campus server. From there people either have 
their mail forwarded to their department mail server like [EMAIL PROTECTED] (my 
exchange server) address or use POP to down load their mail from the campus server.  I 
have been trying to get management to force everyone to go through my exchange server 
so my firewall can strip all those bad attachment types.  As it is a virus can sneak 
into my network with an attachment through POP.  All my anti-virus software is set to 
update daily but if a new virus is able to make it in via POP before my anti-virus 
software updates.  BAM  lots and lots of work :(

Matt




-Original Message-
From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 5:32 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?


I think the original question must have related to POPing out for personal mail, 
because otherwise the normal attachment stripping would occur. Clearly if you're just 
popping into your regular Exchange mailbox, you're just as protected from viruses as 
you are accessing it any other way.

-Peter


-Original Message-
From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 14:04
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?


Allowing employees to POP personal mail?  Hmmm I didn't see that in the question but 
it's als a bad idea...


 -Original Message-
 From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 4:46 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions

 I believe the question here was specifically whether to allow internal 
 POP clients to pull their mail (personal, presumably) from
 outside sources.  To
 that, I would agree it is a very poor idea to allow that.

 As to whether to allow POP usage from outside, I would also agree that

 allowing it is a poor idea, but there are ways to make it not so poor.

 Even though it is primative, POP is still a protocol that is necessary

 for clients running on non-Windows platforms.  You can configure 
 Exchange 2000 to support only POP with SSL, somewhat reducing the 
 vulnerability, or, better yet, allow it only through a VPN.  Still, I 
 would be encouraging such
 users to try to use IMAP instead, but it is not without its
 risks as well.

 Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
 Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
 Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sojka
 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:09 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: POP = Bad? -- SMTP = Good?


 Mmmm.  Man hours.

 Presumably since you are posting to an Exchange list, you are running 
 Exchange.  If you just want a POP server you have wasted your money.

 If remote access is an issue, set up OWA.  If virusesiises are an 
 issue, run AV software on your Exchange boxes.

 
  -Original Message-
  From: Joshua R. Morgan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:58 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
 
  I agree with you from a Security Standpoint that POP has certain 
  risks, but maybe a better topic for management is the additional
 headache POP
  is from a support standpoint..   Imagine if you will a
  Marketing person
  gets a new machine at home, this person sets up outlook to download 
  via POP3, instead of choosing to leave the messages on the
 server they opt
  to download everything and remove (could be a simple
 mistake) however
  when they come into work the next day 

RE: Outlook 11

2003-06-12 Thread John Etie
Who wouldn't?

-Original Message-
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:45 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook 11


They skip 13.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Etie
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 8:11 PM
To: Exchange Discussions

That's one long outlook.

-Original Message-
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 10:27 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Outlook 11


One and the same.

Outlook10 = Outlook2002.
Outlook9=Outlook2000

Outlook12=Outlook2006


- Original Message - 
From: Pham, Tuan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 11:15 AM
Subject: Outlook 11


Sorry I have to ask, what is Outlook 11?  Is that outlook 2003?  Thnx!

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