RE: VPN breaks Outlook
I don't know - I dodged the bullet on the licensing grab bag - I don't have to deal with it. I believe that it replaced the Backoffice CAL with the new licensing program, but I can't find much on it. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com] > Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 11:41 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I didn't even know what a core CAL was, until you posted it. > > I've found it on the MS web site, but can find no definitive cost > information. They tell you it covers Win2k Server, Exchange, SMS and > Sharepoint, but then when you go to try and find pricing > information, they > want you to pick one. Why can't they just give out the > information, without > making you sift through 15,000 web pages??!! > > What can you tell me? > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 4:22 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > And you're not buying core CALs why? > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 7:48 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Ah...but that's okay. I'm already at Win2k or XP on all my > > clients and > > servers. The upgrade to SP3 from Win2k SP2 is free. > > > > And it's possible that I did misread the previous statement. > > But going to > > .NET/Titanium and an AD Structure, from our current Win2k / > > Ex5.5 / NT 4.0 > > domain model, will be quite spendy. > > > > Heck, it just cost me $54k to get our Outlook CAL's up to > > snuff, because you > > can't buy Ex5.5 CAL's anymore. They wouldn't listen to me > > last August, when > > you could still get those for ~$13/ea. Now, they're up to > > ~$67/ea for an > > Ex5.5/E2k CAL! > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 4:08 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Hell, they're going to make you upgrade to W2K Sp3 or XP > for Office 11 > > too... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:36 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > MS is going to force us to go to a .NET/Titanium platform in > > order to use > > OL11?! > > > > How freakin' stupid is that? It's a great marketing > > strategy, but I can't > > believe that they wouldn't make it backwards compatible with > > E2k/E5.5. Talk > > about continually shooting yourself in the foot with your > customers... > > > > That's it! I'm done playing! I'm gonna move our whole > > organization to one > > Linux 8.0 server running CommuniGate Pro! Phhhppptt! > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:22 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > I am pretty sure you are correct. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ben Schorr [mailto:bms@;hawaiilawyer.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:16 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Yes, but I believe it requires Titanium on the server side > > too. You can't > > run over HTTP against an Exchange 5.5 Server just because you > > have OL11. > > > > Aloha, > > > > -Ben- > > Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3 > > Director of Information Services > > Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert > > http://www.hawaiilawyer.com > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Wed
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
That is correct. Most VPN client softwares use shims made by Deterministic Networks. And multiple VPN client software installed on the same machine tend to step all over each other. A client needed to use Nortel Extranet client against a Nortel Contivity box and Netscreen Remote client against a Netscreen box and wanted to do IPSec on both tunnels. Long story short, wound up running pptp on Nortel and IPSec on Netscreen to establish 2 simultaneous tunnels. Randall -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bounce-exchange-101513@;ls.swynk.com]On Behalf Of Roger Seielstad Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:45 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Actually, its not WINS/DNS. Its routing. Many VPN clients don't use straight routing, they shim the IP stack and intercept packets on their way to the routing engine (Cisco is a prime example) and its nearly impossible to run two at once. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:05 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > That's my thinking. In theory, it is "virtual", but it > introduces the client to multiple DNS and/or WINS > environments that could drive the client nuts. IMO. > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:00 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Multiple VPN can get ugly. Most clients can't handle it. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:56 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Do you offer one universal VPN to all customers or do they > > get a VPN that best matches their client capabilities? Do > > they set up their own PCs to use VPN or do you provide > > consulting services? > > > > P.S. this just popped up in my brain - what if one needs to > > simultaneously connect to multiple VPNs, is this possible? > > For example a customer may need to use VPN to connect to one > > place and at the same time use another VPN to connect to an > > Exchange server. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN > > systems for those > > customers who are willing to pay for the added security. > > > > Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA access, where > > their password is sent in clear text !! > > > > Yours, > > > > Julian Stone > > Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster > > > > Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 > > > > Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider > > > > Tel:+44 (0) 1344 444349 > > Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 > > Fax:+44 (0) 207 681 1238 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm > > HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/ > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: 30 October 2002 17:22 pm > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Been like this for 2 years now. > > > > Of course I always look for ways to make it better and safer. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > When your goal is to sell as many seats as possible @ $9.95 > each, you > > cut corners and customers get what they pay for. Welcome to the > > wonderful world of capitalism. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:44 AM > > >
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
That's pretty cool. I wish it covered SQL as well. -Original Message- From: Roger Haxton [mailto:RHaxton@;suretel.net] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 9:07 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook The core CAL has replaced the BackOffice CAL. http://www.microsoft.com/backofficeserver/howtobuy/pricing/changes.asp HTH, (back to lurking) ~R~ -- Roger Haxton Network Administrator Sure-Tel [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- There's probably a great big flaw in this theory, but asking myself "What would Snake Plisskin do?" hasn't steered me wrong yet -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:MBlackstone@;superioraccess.com] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 10:59 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook URL? -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 8:41 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook I didn't even know what a core CAL was, until you posted it. I've found it on the MS web site, but can find no definitive cost information. They tell you it covers Win2k Server, Exchange, SMS and Sharepoint, but then when you go to try and find pricing information, they want you to pick one. Why can't they just give out the information, without making you sift through 15,000 web pages??!! What can you tell me? -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 4:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook And you're not buying core CALs why? -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 7:48 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Ah...but that's okay. I'm already at Win2k or XP on all my clients > and servers. The upgrade to SP3 from Win2k SP2 is free. > > And it's possible that I did misread the previous statement. But going > to .NET/Titanium and an AD Structure, from our current Win2k / Ex5.5 / > NT 4.0 domain model, will be quite spendy. > > Heck, it just cost me $54k to get our Outlook CAL's up to snuff, > because you can't buy Ex5.5 CAL's anymore. They wouldn't listen to me > last August, when you could still get those for ~$13/ea. Now, they're > up to ~$67/ea for an > Ex5.5/E2k CAL! > > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 4:08 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Hell, they're going to make you upgrade to W2K Sp3 or XP for Office 11 > too... > > -Original Message- > From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:36 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > MS is going to force us to go to a .NET/Titanium platform in order to > use OL11?! > > How freakin' stupid is that? It's a great marketing strategy, but I > can't believe that they wouldn't make it backwards compatible with > E2k/E5.5. Talk about continually shooting yourself in the foot with > your customers... > > That's it! I'm done playing! I'm gonna move our whole organization > to one Linux 8.0 server running CommuniGate Pro! Phhhppptt! > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:22 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I am pretty sure you are correct. > > -Original Message- > From: Ben Schorr [mailto:bms@;hawaiilawyer.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:16 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Yes, but I believe it requires Titanium on the server side too. You > can't run over HTTP against an Exchange 5.5 Server just because you > have OL11. > > Aloha, > > -Ben- > Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3 > Director of Information Services > Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert > http://www.hawaiilawyer.com > > > > > > -Original Message----- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:06 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > Has it been announced? > > > >
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
The core CAL has replaced the BackOffice CAL. http://www.microsoft.com/backofficeserver/howtobuy/pricing/changes.asp HTH, (back to lurking) ~R~ -- Roger Haxton Network Administrator Sure-Tel [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- There's probably a great big flaw in this theory, but asking myself "What would Snake Plisskin do?" hasn't steered me wrong yet -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:MBlackstone@;superioraccess.com] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 10:59 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook URL? -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 8:41 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook I didn't even know what a core CAL was, until you posted it. I've found it on the MS web site, but can find no definitive cost information. They tell you it covers Win2k Server, Exchange, SMS and Sharepoint, but then when you go to try and find pricing information, they want you to pick one. Why can't they just give out the information, without making you sift through 15,000 web pages??!! What can you tell me? -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 4:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook And you're not buying core CALs why? -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 7:48 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Ah...but that's okay. I'm already at Win2k or XP on all my clients > and servers. The upgrade to SP3 from Win2k SP2 is free. > > And it's possible that I did misread the previous statement. But going > to .NET/Titanium and an AD Structure, from our current Win2k / > Ex5.5 / NT 4.0 > domain model, will be quite spendy. > > Heck, it just cost me $54k to get our Outlook CAL's up to snuff, > because you can't buy Ex5.5 CAL's anymore. They wouldn't listen to me > last August, when > you could still get those for ~$13/ea. Now, they're up to > ~$67/ea for an > Ex5.5/E2k CAL! > > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 4:08 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Hell, they're going to make you upgrade to W2K Sp3 or XP for Office 11 > too... > > -Original Message- > From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:36 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > MS is going to force us to go to a .NET/Titanium platform in order to > use OL11?! > > How freakin' stupid is that? It's a great marketing strategy, but I > can't believe that they wouldn't make it backwards compatible with > E2k/E5.5. Talk > about continually shooting yourself in the foot with your customers... > > That's it! I'm done playing! I'm gonna move our whole organization > to one Linux 8.0 server running CommuniGate Pro! Phhhppptt! > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:22 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I am pretty sure you are correct. > > -Original Message- > From: Ben Schorr [mailto:bms@;hawaiilawyer.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:16 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Yes, but I believe it requires Titanium on the server side too. You > can't run over HTTP against an Exchange 5.5 Server just because you > have OL11. > > Aloha, > > -Ben- > Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3 > Director of Information Services > Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert > http://www.hawaiilawyer.com > > > > > > -Original Message----- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:06 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > Has it been announced? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:59 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > &
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
URL? -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 8:41 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook I didn't even know what a core CAL was, until you posted it. I've found it on the MS web site, but can find no definitive cost information. They tell you it covers Win2k Server, Exchange, SMS and Sharepoint, but then when you go to try and find pricing information, they want you to pick one. Why can't they just give out the information, without making you sift through 15,000 web pages??!! What can you tell me? -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 4:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook And you're not buying core CALs why? -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 7:48 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Ah...but that's okay. I'm already at Win2k or XP on all my clients > and servers. The upgrade to SP3 from Win2k SP2 is free. > > And it's possible that I did misread the previous statement. But going > to .NET/Titanium and an AD Structure, from our current Win2k / > Ex5.5 / NT 4.0 > domain model, will be quite spendy. > > Heck, it just cost me $54k to get our Outlook CAL's up to snuff, > because you can't buy Ex5.5 CAL's anymore. They wouldn't listen to me > last August, when > you could still get those for ~$13/ea. Now, they're up to > ~$67/ea for an > Ex5.5/E2k CAL! > > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 4:08 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Hell, they're going to make you upgrade to W2K Sp3 or XP for Office 11 > too... > > -Original Message- > From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:36 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > MS is going to force us to go to a .NET/Titanium platform in order to > use OL11?! > > How freakin' stupid is that? It's a great marketing strategy, but I > can't believe that they wouldn't make it backwards compatible with > E2k/E5.5. Talk > about continually shooting yourself in the foot with your customers... > > That's it! I'm done playing! I'm gonna move our whole organization > to one Linux 8.0 server running CommuniGate Pro! Phhhppptt! > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:22 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I am pretty sure you are correct. > > -Original Message- > From: Ben Schorr [mailto:bms@;hawaiilawyer.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:16 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Yes, but I believe it requires Titanium on the server side too. You > can't run over HTTP against an Exchange 5.5 Server just because you > have OL11. > > Aloha, > > -Ben- > Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3 > Director of Information Services > Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert > http://www.hawaiilawyer.com > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:06 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > Has it been announced? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:59 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Something like MAPI over http as announced for Outlook 11? > Maybe, but > > given the large install base of Outlook 97 still out there, > it would > > seem that an investment in VPN today would have reasonable utility > > over the lifespan of the hardware used to run it. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:53 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > Hypothetically, if Microsoft came out
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
I never heard of one. What's the approx cost? -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 8:41 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook I didn't even know what a core CAL was, until you posted it. I've found it on the MS web site, but can find no definitive cost information. They tell you it covers Win2k Server, Exchange, SMS and Sharepoint, but then when you go to try and find pricing information, they want you to pick one. Why can't they just give out the information, without making you sift through 15,000 web pages??!! What can you tell me? -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 4:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook And you're not buying core CALs why? -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 7:48 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Ah...but that's okay. I'm already at Win2k or XP on all my clients > and servers. The upgrade to SP3 from Win2k SP2 is free. > > And it's possible that I did misread the previous statement. But going > to .NET/Titanium and an AD Structure, from our current Win2k / > Ex5.5 / NT 4.0 > domain model, will be quite spendy. > > Heck, it just cost me $54k to get our Outlook CAL's up to snuff, > because you can't buy Ex5.5 CAL's anymore. They wouldn't listen to me > last August, when > you could still get those for ~$13/ea. Now, they're up to > ~$67/ea for an > Ex5.5/E2k CAL! > > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 4:08 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Hell, they're going to make you upgrade to W2K Sp3 or XP for Office 11 > too... > > -----Original Message- > From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:36 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > MS is going to force us to go to a .NET/Titanium platform in order to > use OL11?! > > How freakin' stupid is that? It's a great marketing strategy, but I > can't believe that they wouldn't make it backwards compatible with > E2k/E5.5. Talk > about continually shooting yourself in the foot with your customers... > > That's it! I'm done playing! I'm gonna move our whole organization > to one Linux 8.0 server running CommuniGate Pro! Phhhppptt! > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:22 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I am pretty sure you are correct. > > -Original Message- > From: Ben Schorr [mailto:bms@;hawaiilawyer.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:16 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Yes, but I believe it requires Titanium on the server side too. You > can't run over HTTP against an Exchange 5.5 Server just because you > have OL11. > > Aloha, > > -Ben- > Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3 > Director of Information Services > Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert > http://www.hawaiilawyer.com > > > > > > -Original Message----- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:06 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > Has it been announced? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:59 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Something like MAPI over http as announced for Outlook 11? > Maybe, but > > given the large install base of Outlook 97 still out there, > it would > > seem that an investment in VPN today would have reasonable utility > > over the lifespan of the hardware used to run it. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:53 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > &
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
I didn't even know what a core CAL was, until you posted it. I've found it on the MS web site, but can find no definitive cost information. They tell you it covers Win2k Server, Exchange, SMS and Sharepoint, but then when you go to try and find pricing information, they want you to pick one. Why can't they just give out the information, without making you sift through 15,000 web pages??!! What can you tell me? -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 4:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook And you're not buying core CALs why? -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 7:48 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Ah...but that's okay. I'm already at Win2k or XP on all my > clients and > servers. The upgrade to SP3 from Win2k SP2 is free. > > And it's possible that I did misread the previous statement. > But going to > .NET/Titanium and an AD Structure, from our current Win2k / > Ex5.5 / NT 4.0 > domain model, will be quite spendy. > > Heck, it just cost me $54k to get our Outlook CAL's up to > snuff, because you > can't buy Ex5.5 CAL's anymore. They wouldn't listen to me > last August, when > you could still get those for ~$13/ea. Now, they're up to > ~$67/ea for an > Ex5.5/E2k CAL! > > -Original Message----- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 4:08 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Hell, they're going to make you upgrade to W2K Sp3 or XP for Office 11 > too... > > -----Original Message- > From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:36 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > MS is going to force us to go to a .NET/Titanium platform in > order to use > OL11?! > > How freakin' stupid is that? It's a great marketing > strategy, but I can't > believe that they wouldn't make it backwards compatible with > E2k/E5.5. Talk > about continually shooting yourself in the foot with your customers... > > That's it! I'm done playing! I'm gonna move our whole > organization to one > Linux 8.0 server running CommuniGate Pro! Phhhppptt! > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:22 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I am pretty sure you are correct. > > -Original Message- > From: Ben Schorr [mailto:bms@;hawaiilawyer.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:16 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Yes, but I believe it requires Titanium on the server side > too. You can't > run over HTTP against an Exchange 5.5 Server just because you > have OL11. > > Aloha, > > -Ben- > Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3 > Director of Information Services > Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert > http://www.hawaiilawyer.com > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:06 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > Has it been announced? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:59 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Something like MAPI over http as announced for Outlook 11? > Maybe, but > > given the large install base of Outlook 97 still out there, > it would > > seem that an investment in VPN today would have reasonable utility > > over the lifespan of the hardware used to run it. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:53 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > Hypothetically, if Microsoft came out with new technology > > that would > > > make MAPI obsolete (something like front-end/back-end OWA > > with all the > > > featu
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Yes I have wins set up on the ras server. -Original Message- From: Allan Johnson [mailto:allan@;teaminfo.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 5:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook OK confusion and headache aside from trying to visualize your environment from your emails. 1. Do you have a Sonicwall firewall and/or MS PPTP Server? 2. A number of times in this thread (my reply included) a WINS server has been mentioned, yet you keep referring to LMHOSTS files. Do you know if you have a WINS server? As a number of people have said, your answer is to connect to a firewall via VPN and have a WINS server available to perform name resolution for you, thus removing the need for your LMHOSTS file and resolving other PCs in the domain. There are more elegant and functional solutions but that is probably the simplest and easiest for you to implement. As an aside http://www.mcseco-op.com/_vti_bin/shtml.exe/rules.htm is a link that includes instructions on how to submit to an MCSE study list (Saluki). Many generic questions such as yours are fielded by MCSEs and students and there is no off topic subjects as long as it involves an MS product in some way. -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Yes I can connect to the vpn and read email from the exchange server. I can find the exchange server if I look for it through search for computers on network. We use lmhost file to connect to the exchange server. My VPN server is the primary domain contoller and when i search for it on the network i cant find it. But if i go to my firewall over the internet and enter a username and password to bypass it I can find any computer on the network. I want to be able to search for all computers on my network without bypassing the firewall. If anyone knows what port to open or what to do i would appreciate it. thanks rich ps sorry for hijacking this thread. -Original Message- From: Byron Kennedy [mailto:byron@;markettools.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 12:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Does the vpn work in general from behind the firewall? Do other protocols like icmp work? Is the vpn site-to-site or client-gateway? -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Does anyone know what port I would have to open on my sonic wall to let people browse the network over the vpn. If i bypass my firewall at home i can search for computers on my the network but if i dont i cannot find any computers rich\\\thanks > -Original Me> > ssage- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > servers from all > over the world, from a variety of client OSes. Their machines are not > members of our domain. They can't possibly use our WINS. > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short name of our > Exchange server? > > > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than doing it a > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in which they > must be used. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, works every time... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:18 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Is it the LMHOSTS file or the HOSTS file ? > > > > -Ori
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Um... Doesn't that defeat the purpose of the firewall? And why are you using lmhost to connect to the Exchange server? Drew Nicholson Technical Writer Network Engineer LAN Manager RapidApp 312-372-7188 (work) 312-543-0008 (cell) Born To Edit -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 1:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Yes I can connect to the vpn and read email from the exchange server. I can find the exchange server if I look for it through search for computers on network. We use lmhost file to connect to the exchange server. My VPN server is the primary domain contoller and when i search for it on the network i cant find it. But if i go to my firewall over the internet and enter a username and password to bypass it I can find any computer on the network. I want to be able to search for all computers on my network without bypassing the firewall. If anyone knows what port to open or what to do i would appreciate it. thanks rich ps sorry for hijacking this thread. -Original Message- From: Byron Kennedy [mailto:byron@;markettools.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 12:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Does the vpn work in general from behind the firewall? Do other protocols like icmp work? Is the vpn site-to-site or client-gateway? -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Does anyone know what port I would have to open on my sonic wall to let people browse the network over the vpn. If i bypass my firewall at home i can search for computers on my the network but if i dont i cannot find any computers rich\\\thanks > -Original Me> > ssage- _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
And you're not buying core CALs why? -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 7:48 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Ah...but that's okay. I'm already at Win2k or XP on all my > clients and > servers. The upgrade to SP3 from Win2k SP2 is free. > > And it's possible that I did misread the previous statement. > But going to > .NET/Titanium and an AD Structure, from our current Win2k / > Ex5.5 / NT 4.0 > domain model, will be quite spendy. > > Heck, it just cost me $54k to get our Outlook CAL's up to > snuff, because you > can't buy Ex5.5 CAL's anymore. They wouldn't listen to me > last August, when > you could still get those for ~$13/ea. Now, they're up to > ~$67/ea for an > Ex5.5/E2k CAL! > > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 4:08 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Hell, they're going to make you upgrade to W2K Sp3 or XP for Office 11 > too... > > -Original Message- > From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:36 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > MS is going to force us to go to a .NET/Titanium platform in > order to use > OL11?! > > How freakin' stupid is that? It's a great marketing > strategy, but I can't > believe that they wouldn't make it backwards compatible with > E2k/E5.5. Talk > about continually shooting yourself in the foot with your customers... > > That's it! I'm done playing! I'm gonna move our whole > organization to one > Linux 8.0 server running CommuniGate Pro! Phhhppptt! > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:22 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I am pretty sure you are correct. > > -Original Message- > From: Ben Schorr [mailto:bms@;hawaiilawyer.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:16 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Yes, but I believe it requires Titanium on the server side > too. You can't > run over HTTP against an Exchange 5.5 Server just because you > have OL11. > > Aloha, > > -Ben- > Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3 > Director of Information Services > Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert > http://www.hawaiilawyer.com > > > > > > -Original Message----- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:06 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > Has it been announced? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:59 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Something like MAPI over http as announced for Outlook 11? > Maybe, but > > given the large install base of Outlook 97 still out there, > it would > > seem that an investment in VPN today would have reasonable utility > > over the lifespan of the hardware used to run it. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:53 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > Hypothetically, if Microsoft came out with new technology > > that would > > > make MAPI obsolete (something like front-end/back-end OWA > > with all the > > > features of Outlook), would you then toss out the VPN and stop > > > charging customers for it? > > > > > > I am still hoping that something like this will be > > available, but then > > > if I invest in VPN technologies it would be a waste of money. > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > >
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Meow -Original Message- From: Byron Kennedy [mailto:byron@;markettools.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 2:10 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook I'm sorry, I'm not following you, but would like to help. Have the cat who built the vpn contact me off-line if you want. L8r-byron -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 11:52 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Yes I can connect to the vpn and read email from the exchange server. I can find the exchange server if I look for it through search for computers on network. We use lmhost file to connect to the exchange server. My VPN server is the primary domain contoller and when i search for it on the network i cant find it. But if i go to my firewall over the internet and enter a username and password to bypass it I can find any computer on the network. I want to be able to search for all computers on my network without bypassing the firewall. If anyone knows what port to open or what to do i would appreciate it. thanks rich ps sorry for hijacking this thread. -Original Message- From: Byron Kennedy [mailto:byron@;markettools.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 12:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Does the vpn work in general from behind the firewall? Do other protocols like icmp work? Is the vpn site-to-site or client-gateway? -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Does anyone know what port I would have to open on my sonic wall to let people browse the network over the vpn. If i bypass my firewall at home i can search for computers on my the network but if i dont i cannot find any computers rich\\\thanks > -Original Me> > ssage- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange servers > from all over the world, from a variety of client OSes. Their machines > are not members of our domain. They can't possibly use our WINS. > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short name of our > Exchange server? > > > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than doing it a > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in which they > must be used. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, works every time... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:18 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Is it the LMHOSTS file or the HOSTS file ? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:24 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > yes you should use the lmhost file on the client pc to map to your > > exchange server thats what we use here at my office and it > works good. > > If you need > > more help dont hesitate to email me. > > > > rich > > > > -Original Message- > > From: JPC [mailto:jpciocon@;hotmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:10 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Hi, folks: > > > > Mixed mode, currently migrating users from 5.5 to E2k. Remote users > > have Outlook 2002 on W2k Profes
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
OK confusion and headache aside from trying to visualize your environment from your emails. 1. Do you have a Sonicwall firewall and/or MS PPTP Server? 2. A number of times in this thread (my reply included) a WINS server has been mentioned, yet you keep referring to LMHOSTS files. Do you know if you have a WINS server? As a number of people have said, your answer is to connect to a firewall via VPN and have a WINS server available to perform name resolution for you, thus removing the need for your LMHOSTS file and resolving other PCs in the domain. There are more elegant and functional solutions but that is probably the simplest and easiest for you to implement. As an aside http://www.mcseco-op.com/_vti_bin/shtml.exe/rules.htm is a link that includes instructions on how to submit to an MCSE study list (Saluki). Many generic questions such as yours are fielded by MCSEs and students and there is no off topic subjects as long as it involves an MS product in some way. -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Yes I can connect to the vpn and read email from the exchange server. I can find the exchange server if I look for it through search for computers on network. We use lmhost file to connect to the exchange server. My VPN server is the primary domain contoller and when i search for it on the network i cant find it. But if i go to my firewall over the internet and enter a username and password to bypass it I can find any computer on the network. I want to be able to search for all computers on my network without bypassing the firewall. If anyone knows what port to open or what to do i would appreciate it. thanks rich ps sorry for hijacking this thread. -Original Message- From: Byron Kennedy [mailto:byron@;markettools.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 12:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Does the vpn work in general from behind the firewall? Do other protocols like icmp work? Is the vpn site-to-site or client-gateway? -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Does anyone know what port I would have to open on my sonic wall to let people browse the network over the vpn. If i bypass my firewall at home i can search for computers on my the network but if i dont i cannot find any computers rich\\\thanks > -Original Me> > ssage- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > servers from all > over the world, from a variety of client OSes. Their machines are not > members of our domain. They can't possibly use our WINS. > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short name of our > Exchange server? > > > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than doing it a > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in which they > must be used. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, works every time... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:18 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Is it the LMHOSTS file or the HOSTS file ? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:24 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > &g
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
I'm sorry, I'm not following you, but would like to help. Have the cat who built the vpn contact me off-line if you want. L8r-byron -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 11:52 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Yes I can connect to the vpn and read email from the exchange server. I can find the exchange server if I look for it through search for computers on network. We use lmhost file to connect to the exchange server. My VPN server is the primary domain contoller and when i search for it on the network i cant find it. But if i go to my firewall over the internet and enter a username and password to bypass it I can find any computer on the network. I want to be able to search for all computers on my network without bypassing the firewall. If anyone knows what port to open or what to do i would appreciate it. thanks rich ps sorry for hijacking this thread. -Original Message- From: Byron Kennedy [mailto:byron@;markettools.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 12:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Does the vpn work in general from behind the firewall? Do other protocols like icmp work? Is the vpn site-to-site or client-gateway? -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Does anyone know what port I would have to open on my sonic wall to let people browse the network over the vpn. If i bypass my firewall at home i can search for computers on my the network but if i dont i cannot find any computers rich\\\thanks > -Original Me> > ssage- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange servers > from all over the world, from a variety of client OSes. Their machines > are not members of our domain. They can't possibly use our WINS. > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short name of our > Exchange server? > > > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than doing it a > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in which they > must be used. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, works every time... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:18 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Is it the LMHOSTS file or the HOSTS file ? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:24 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > yes you should use the lmhost file on the client pc to map to your > > exchange server thats what we use here at my office and it > works good. > > If you need > > more help dont hesitate to email me. > > > > rich > > > > -Original Message- > > From: JPC [mailto:jpciocon@;hotmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:10 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Hi, folks: > > > > Mixed mode, currently migrating users from 5.5 to E2k. Remote users > > have Outlook 2002 on W2k Professional laptops and Alcatel > > PERMIT/Client. > > > > These users connect via dial-up, they can access their mailboxes and > > send/receive no problem. When t
RE: VPN breaks Outlook . Now: Mongo Netbios
This is easy Shut down your firewall, your proxy and run a straight T1 into the building. Thanks Russell -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:davida@;vss.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 3:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook . Now: Mongo Netbios What the heck are you talking about? -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Yes I can connect to the vpn and read email from the exchange server. I can find the exchange server if I look for it through search for computers on network. We use lmhost file to connect to the exchange server. My VPN server is the primary domain contoller and when i search for it on the network i cant find it. But if i go to my firewall over the internet and enter a username and password to bypass it I can find any computer on the network. I want to be able to search for all computers on my network without bypassing the firewall. If anyone knows what port to open or what to do i would appreciate it. thanks rich ps sorry for hijacking this thread. -Original Message- From: Byron Kennedy [mailto:byron@;markettools.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 12:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Does the vpn work in general from behind the firewall? Do other protocols like icmp work? Is the vpn site-to-site or client-gateway? -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Does anyone know what port I would have to open on my sonic wall to let people browse the network over the vpn. If i bypass my firewall at home i can search for computers on my the network but if i dont i cannot find any computers rich\\\thanks > -Original Me> > ssage- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > servers from all > over the world, from a variety of client OSes. Their machines are not > members of our domain. They can't possibly use our WINS. > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short name of our > Exchange server? > > > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than doing it a > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in which they > must be used. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, works every time... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:18 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Is it the LMHOSTS file or the HOSTS file ? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:24 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > yes you should use the lmhost file on the client pc to map to your > > exchange server thats what we use here at my office and it > works good. > > If you need > > more help dont hesitate to email me. > > > > rich > > > > -Original Message- > > From: JPC [mailto:jpciocon@;hotmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:10 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Hi, folks: > > > > Mixed mode, currently migrating users from 5.5 to E2k. Remote users > > have
RE: VPN breaks Outlook . Now: Mongo Netbios
What the heck are you talking about? -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Yes I can connect to the vpn and read email from the exchange server. I can find the exchange server if I look for it through search for computers on network. We use lmhost file to connect to the exchange server. My VPN server is the primary domain contoller and when i search for it on the network i cant find it. But if i go to my firewall over the internet and enter a username and password to bypass it I can find any computer on the network. I want to be able to search for all computers on my network without bypassing the firewall. If anyone knows what port to open or what to do i would appreciate it. thanks rich ps sorry for hijacking this thread. -Original Message- From: Byron Kennedy [mailto:byron@;markettools.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 12:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Does the vpn work in general from behind the firewall? Do other protocols like icmp work? Is the vpn site-to-site or client-gateway? -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Does anyone know what port I would have to open on my sonic wall to let people browse the network over the vpn. If i bypass my firewall at home i can search for computers on my the network but if i dont i cannot find any computers rich\\\thanks > -Original Me> > ssage- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > servers from all > over the world, from a variety of client OSes. Their machines are not > members of our domain. They can't possibly use our WINS. > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short name of our > Exchange server? > > > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than doing it a > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in which they > must be used. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, works every time... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:18 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Is it the LMHOSTS file or the HOSTS file ? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:24 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > yes you should use the lmhost file on the client pc to map to your > > exchange server thats what we use here at my office and it > works good. > > If you need > > more help dont hesitate to email me. > > > > rich > > > > -Original Message- > > From: JPC [mailto:jpciocon@;hotmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:10 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Hi, folks: > > > > Mixed mode, currently migrating users from 5.5 to E2k. Remote users > > have Outlook 2002 on W2k Professional laptops and Alcatel > > PERMIT/Client. > > > > These users connect via dial-up, they can access their mailboxes and > > send/receive no problem. When they use LinkSys router and > DSL, they > > can access our network, the internet an
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Yes I can connect to the vpn and read email from the exchange server. I can find the exchange server if I look for it through search for computers on network. We use lmhost file to connect to the exchange server. My VPN server is the primary domain contoller and when i search for it on the network i cant find it. But if i go to my firewall over the internet and enter a username and password to bypass it I can find any computer on the network. I want to be able to search for all computers on my network without bypassing the firewall. If anyone knows what port to open or what to do i would appreciate it. thanks rich ps sorry for hijacking this thread. -Original Message- From: Byron Kennedy [mailto:byron@;markettools.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 12:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Does the vpn work in general from behind the firewall? Do other protocols like icmp work? Is the vpn site-to-site or client-gateway? -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Does anyone know what port I would have to open on my sonic wall to let people browse the network over the vpn. If i bypass my firewall at home i can search for computers on my the network but if i dont i cannot find any computers rich\\\thanks > -Original Me> > ssage- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > servers from all > over the world, from a variety of client OSes. Their machines are not > members of our domain. They can't possibly use our WINS. > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short name of our > Exchange server? > > > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than doing it a > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in which they > must be used. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, works every time... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:18 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Is it the LMHOSTS file or the HOSTS file ? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:24 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > yes you should use the lmhost file on the client pc to map to your > > exchange server thats what we use here at my office and it > works good. > > If you need > > more help dont hesitate to email me. > > > > rich > > > > -Original Message- > > From: JPC [mailto:jpciocon@;hotmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:10 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Hi, folks: > > > > Mixed mode, currently migrating users from 5.5 to E2k. Remote users > > have Outlook 2002 on W2k Professional laptops and Alcatel > > PERMIT/Client. > > > > These users connect via dial-up, they can access their mailboxes and > > send/receive no problem. When they use LinkSys router and > DSL, they > > can access our network, the internet and other network resources > > EXCEPT for their mailboxes on the E2k server. Synchronization > > failure messages are > > related to "network problems preventing access to the > > Exchange ser
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Just open them all. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bounce-exchange-94760@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Tener, Richard Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Does anyone know what port I would have to open on my sonic wall to let people browse the network over the vpn. If i bypass my firewall at home i can search for computers on my the network but if i dont i cannot find any computers rich\\\thanks > -Original Me> > ssage- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > servers from all > over the world, from a variety of client OSes. Their machines are not > members of our domain. They can't possibly use our WINS. > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short name of our > Exchange server? > > > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than doing it a > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in which they > must be used. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, works every time... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:18 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Is it the LMHOSTS file or the HOSTS file ? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:24 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > yes you should use the lmhost file on the client pc to map to your > > exchange server thats what we use here at my office and it > works good. > > If you need > > more help dont hesitate to email me. > > > > rich > > > > -Original Message- > > From: JPC [mailto:jpciocon@;hotmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:10 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Hi, folks: > > > > Mixed mode, currently migrating users from 5.5 to E2k. Remote users > > have Outlook 2002 on W2k Professional laptops and Alcatel > > PERMIT/Client. > > > > These users connect via dial-up, they can access their mailboxes and > > send/receive no problem. When they use LinkSys router and > DSL, they > > can access our network, the internet and other network resources > > EXCEPT for their mailboxes on the E2k server. Synchronization > > failure messages are > > related to "network problems preventing access to the > > Exchange server" or > > the RPC message box "retrieving data from Exchange server". These > > eventually fail and nothing is exchanged between the client > > and their server > > mailbox. > > > > Has anyone seen this? If so, what tips would you suggest? > > > > Thanks very much. > > -Juancho > > > > _ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Yes, it's possible. And it's free! It's included with the purchase of Exchange 2000 Enterprise! Buy one today! Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bounce-exchange-94760@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Drew Nicholson Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Well, first you go buy a copy of Exchange 5.5 Enterprise (is that even possible anymore?) Then, you go to here: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm and find your answer. Drew Nicholson Technical Writer Network Engineer LAN Manager RapidApp 312-372-7188 (work) 312-543-0008 (cell) Born To Edit -Original Message- From: Manderino, Mike [mailto:mmanderino@;destinyhealth.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook 1) Urgent!! need to upgrade to Exchange 5.5 Enterprise. What is involved? Will this mess up my current exchange 5.5? 2) How do clean(flush)the deleted retention? 3) How do we safely move the database files? (Priv.edb, pub.edb ect...) Thanks Mike *** Confidentiality Note: This E-mail is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. Dissemination, distribution or copying of this E-mail or the information herein by anyone other than the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, is prohibited. If you have received this E-mail in error, please call the Mgr. of Information Technology at 301.222.0330 and destroy the original message and all copies. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
640K. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bounce-exchange-94760@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Tom Meunier Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 4:45 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook 640 Megs ought to be enough for anyone. -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:davida@;vss.com] Posted At: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:24 PM Posted To: MSExchange Mailing List Conversation: VPN breaks Outlook Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook The paperclip requires a minimum of 512 Mg of ram. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 7:08 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Hell, they're going to make you upgrade to W2K Sp3 or XP for Office 11 too... -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook MS is going to force us to go to a .NET/Titanium platform in order to use OL11?! How freakin' stupid is that? It's a great marketing strategy, but I can't believe that they wouldn't make it backwards compatible with E2k/E5.5. Talk about continually shooting yourself in the foot with your customers... That's it! I'm done playing! I'm gonna move our whole organization to one Linux 8.0 server running CommuniGate Pro! Phhhppptt! -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook I am pretty sure you are correct. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:bms@;hawaiilawyer.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:16 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Yes, but I believe it requires Titanium on the server side too. You can't run over HTTP against an Exchange 5.5 Server just because you have OL11. Aloha, -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:06 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > > Has it been announced? > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:59 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Something like MAPI over http as announced for Outlook 11? Maybe, but > given the large install base of Outlook 97 still out there, it would > seem that an investment in VPN today would have reasonable utility > over the lifespan of the hardware used to run it. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:53 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Hypothetically, if Microsoft came out with new technology > that would > > make MAPI obsolete (something like front-end/back-end OWA > with all the > > features of Outlook), would you then toss out the VPN and stop > > charging customers for it? > > > > I am still hoping that something like this will be > available, but then > > if I invest in VPN technologies it would be a waste of money. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN systems for > > those customers who are willing to pay for the added security. > > > > Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA > access, where > > their password is sent in clear text !! > > > > Yours, > > > > Julian Stone > > Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster > > > > Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 > > > > Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider > > > > Tel:+44 (0) 1344 444349 > > Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 > > Fax:+44 (0) 207 681 1238 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm > > HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/ > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Se
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Not sure what the all the talk of take out the firewall is about. If it is via VPN, then you must have that open already. If not, it depends on what VPN you are using as to what ports you might need. After that it is just a matter of having the VPN server properly configured to hand the info to clients needed to see the machines on the network. Easiest is to set up a WINS server for VPN client use. Since it is via VPN you DO NOT have to open any NetBIOS ports or remove any firewall. I'm not sure why anyone would be recommending that. Best Regards, Dan Bartley -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:MBlackstone@;superioraccess.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 12:14 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook You may as well just take out the firewall if this is what you want to do. And no, im not joking. -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Does anyone know what port I would have to open on my sonic wall to let people browse the network over the vpn. If i bypass my firewall at home i can search for computers on my the network but if i dont i cannot find any computers rich\\\thanks > -Original Me> > ssage- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > servers from all > over the world, from a variety of client OSes. Their machines are not > members of our domain. They can't possibly use our WINS. > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short name of our > Exchange server? > > > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than doing it a > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in which > they must be > used. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, works every time... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:18 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Is it the LMHOSTS file or the HOSTS file ? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:24 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > yes you should use the lmhost file on the client pc to map to your > > exchange server thats what we use here at my office and it > works good. > > If you need > > more help dont hesitate to email me. > > > > rich > > > > -Original Message- > > From: JPC [mailto:jpciocon@;hotmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:10 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Hi, folks: > > > > Mixed mode, currently migrating users from 5.5 to E2k. > > Remote users have > > Outlook 2002 on W2k Professional laptops and Alcatel PERMIT/Client. > > > > These users connect via dial-up, they can access their mailboxes and > > send/receive no problem. When they use LinkSys router and > DSL, they > > can access our network, the internet and other network resources > > EXCEPT for > > their mailboxes on the E2k server. Synchronization failure > > messages are > > related to "network problems preventing access to the > > Exchange server" or > > the RPC message box "retrieving data from Exchange server&qu
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Wait a second. I read this wrong. Why cant your users browse the network over the VPN and what does the FW have to do with it? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 9:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook You may as well just take out the firewall if this is what you want to do. And no, im not joking. -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Does anyone know what port I would have to open on my sonic wall to let people browse the network over the vpn. If i bypass my firewall at home i can search for computers on my the network but if i dont i cannot find any computers rich\\\thanks > -Original Me> > ssage- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > servers from all > over the world, from a variety of client OSes. Their machines are not > members of our domain. They can't possibly use our WINS. > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short name of our > Exchange server? > > > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than doing it a > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in which they > must be used. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, works every time... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:18 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Is it the LMHOSTS file or the HOSTS file ? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:24 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > yes you should use the lmhost file on the client pc to map to your > > exchange server thats what we use here at my office and it > works good. > > If you need > > more help dont hesitate to email me. > > > > rich > > > > -Original Message- > > From: JPC [mailto:jpciocon@;hotmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:10 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Hi, folks: > > > > Mixed mode, currently migrating users from 5.5 to E2k. Remote users > > have Outlook 2002 on W2k Professional laptops and Alcatel > > PERMIT/Client. > > > > These users connect via dial-up, they can access their mailboxes and > > send/receive no problem. When they use LinkSys router and > DSL, they > > can access our network, the internet and other network resources > > EXCEPT for their mailboxes on the E2k server. Synchronization > > failure messages are > > related to "network problems preventing access to the > > Exchange server" or > > the RPC message box "retrieving data from Exchange server". These > > eventually fail and nothing is exchanged between the client > > and their server > > mailbox. > > > > Has anyone seen this? If so, what tips would you suggest? > > > > Thanks very much. > > -Juancho > > > > _ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/sear
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
You may as well just take out the firewall if this is what you want to do. And no, im not joking. -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Does anyone know what port I would have to open on my sonic wall to let people browse the network over the vpn. If i bypass my firewall at home i can search for computers on my the network but if i dont i cannot find any computers rich\\\thanks > -Original Me> > ssage- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > servers from all > over the world, from a variety of client OSes. Their machines are not > members of our domain. They can't possibly use our WINS. > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short name of our > Exchange server? > > > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than doing it a > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in which > they must be > used. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, works every time... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:18 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Is it the LMHOSTS file or the HOSTS file ? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:24 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > yes you should use the lmhost file on the client pc to map to your > > exchange server thats what we use here at my office and it > works good. > > If you need > > more help dont hesitate to email me. > > > > rich > > > > -Original Message- > > From: JPC [mailto:jpciocon@;hotmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:10 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Hi, folks: > > > > Mixed mode, currently migrating users from 5.5 to E2k. > > Remote users have > > Outlook 2002 on W2k Professional laptops and Alcatel PERMIT/Client. > > > > These users connect via dial-up, they can access their mailboxes and > > send/receive no problem. When they use LinkSys router and > DSL, they > > can access our network, the internet and other network resources > > EXCEPT for > > their mailboxes on the E2k server. Synchronization failure > > messages are > > related to "network problems preventing access to the > > Exchange server" or > > the RPC message box "retrieving data from Exchange server". These > > eventually fail and nothing is exchanged between the client > > and their server > > mailbox. > > > > Has anyone seen this? If so, what tips would you suggest? > > > > Thanks very much. > > -Juancho > > > > _ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exc
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Does the vpn work in general from behind the firewall? Do other protocols like icmp work? Is the vpn site-to-site or client-gateway? -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Does anyone know what port I would have to open on my sonic wall to let people browse the network over the vpn. If i bypass my firewall at home i can search for computers on my the network but if i dont i cannot find any computers rich\\\thanks > -Original Me> > ssage- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > servers from all > over the world, from a variety of client OSes. Their machines are not > members of our domain. They can't possibly use our WINS. > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short name of our > Exchange server? > > > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than doing it a > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in which they > must be used. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, works every time... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:18 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Is it the LMHOSTS file or the HOSTS file ? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:24 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > yes you should use the lmhost file on the client pc to map to your > > exchange server thats what we use here at my office and it > works good. > > If you need > > more help dont hesitate to email me. > > > > rich > > > > -Original Message- > > From: JPC [mailto:jpciocon@;hotmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:10 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Hi, folks: > > > > Mixed mode, currently migrating users from 5.5 to E2k. Remote users > > have Outlook 2002 on W2k Professional laptops and Alcatel > > PERMIT/Client. > > > > These users connect via dial-up, they can access their mailboxes and > > send/receive no problem. When they use LinkSys router and > DSL, they > > can access our network, the internet and other network resources > > EXCEPT for their mailboxes on the E2k server. Synchronization > > failure messages are > > related to "network problems preventing access to the > > Exchange server" or > > the RPC message box "retrieving data from Exchange server". These > > eventually fail and nothing is exchanged between the client > > and their server > > mailbox. > > > > Has anyone seen this? If so, what tips would you suggest? > > > > Thanks very much. > > -Juancho > > > > _ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swi
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
1. What in the world does this have to do with Exchange and do you always hijack threads? 2. Why would you want to open netbios/RPC ports in your firewall...scratch that open 135-140 any<=>any it will be fun. (Just on the off chance liability and all - I AM JOKING) 3. If you can bypass your firewall and browse your internal LAN why have the firewall? 4. Log onto the client with appropriate User name and password (also appropriate domain config). VPN to sonicwall with a WINS server in the local LAN and defined on the client. Test name resolution/browsing. http://www.faughnan.com/netbios.html offers a good explanation of Netbios over TCP with NAT also many links to trouble shooting he same. -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Does anyone know what port I would have to open on my sonic wall to let people browse the network over the vpn. If i bypass my firewall at home i can search for computers on my the network but if i dont i cannot find any computers rich\\\thanks > -Original Me> > ssage- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > servers from all > over the world, from a variety of client OSes. Their machines are not > members of our domain. They can't possibly use our WINS. > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short name of our > Exchange server? > > > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than doing it a > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in which > they must be > used. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, works every time... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:18 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Is it the LMHOSTS file or the HOSTS file ? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:24 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > yes you should use the lmhost file on the client pc to map to your > > exchange server thats what we use here at my office and it > works good. > > If you need > > more help dont hesitate to email me. > > > > rich > > > > -Original Message- > > From: JPC [mailto:jpciocon@;hotmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:10 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Hi, folks: > > > > Mixed mode, currently migrating users from 5.5 to E2k. > > Remote users have > > Outlook 2002 on W2k Professional laptops and Alcatel PERMIT/Client. > > > > These users connect via dial-up, they can access their mailboxes and > > send/receive no problem. When they use LinkSys router and > DSL, they > > can access our network, the internet and other network resources > > EXCEPT for > > their mailboxes on the E2k server. Synchronization failure > > messages are > > related to "network problems preventing access to the > > Exchange server" or > > the RPC message box "retrieving data from Exchange server". These > > eventually fail and nothing is exchanged between the client > > and their server > > mailbox. > > > > Has anyon
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
I think it starts with 135. -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Does anyone know what port I would have to open on my sonic wall to let people browse the network over the vpn. If i bypass my firewall at home i can search for computers on my the network but if i dont i cannot find any computers rich\\\thanks > -Original Me> > ssage- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > servers from all > over the world, from a variety of client OSes. Their machines are not > members of our domain. They can't possibly use our WINS. > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short name of our > Exchange server? > > > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than doing it a > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in which > they must be > used. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, works every time... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:18 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Is it the LMHOSTS file or the HOSTS file ? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:24 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > yes you should use the lmhost file on the client pc to map to your > > exchange server thats what we use here at my office and it > works good. > > If you need > > more help dont hesitate to email me. > > > > rich > > > > -Original Message- > > From: JPC [mailto:jpciocon@;hotmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:10 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Hi, folks: > > > > Mixed mode, currently migrating users from 5.5 to E2k. > > Remote users have > > Outlook 2002 on W2k Professional laptops and Alcatel PERMIT/Client. > > > > These users connect via dial-up, they can access their mailboxes and > > send/receive no problem. When they use LinkSys router and > DSL, they > > can access our network, the internet and other network resources > > EXCEPT for > > their mailboxes on the E2k server. Synchronization failure > > messages are > > related to "network problems preventing access to the > > Exchange server" or > > the RPC message box "retrieving data from Exchange server". These > > eventually fail and nothing is exchanged between the client > > and their server > > mailbox. > > > > Has anyone seen this? If so, what tips would you suggest? > > > > Thanks very much. > > -Juancho > > > > _ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitese
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Does anyone know what port I would have to open on my sonic wall to let people browse the network over the vpn. If i bypass my firewall at home i can search for computers on my the network but if i dont i cannot find any computers rich\\\thanks > -Original Me> > ssage- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > servers from all > over the world, from a variety of client OSes. Their machines are not > members of our domain. They can't possibly use our WINS. > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short name of our > Exchange server? > > > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than doing it a > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in which > they must be > used. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, works every time... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:18 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Is it the LMHOSTS file or the HOSTS file ? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:24 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > yes you should use the lmhost file on the client pc to map to your > > exchange server thats what we use here at my office and it > works good. > > If you need > > more help dont hesitate to email me. > > > > rich > > > > -Original Message- > > From: JPC [mailto:jpciocon@;hotmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:10 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Hi, folks: > > > > Mixed mode, currently migrating users from 5.5 to E2k. > > Remote users have > > Outlook 2002 on W2k Professional laptops and Alcatel PERMIT/Client. > > > > These users connect via dial-up, they can access their mailboxes and > > send/receive no problem. When they use LinkSys router and > DSL, they > > can access our network, the internet and other network resources > > EXCEPT for > > their mailboxes on the E2k server. Synchronization failure > > messages are > > related to "network problems preventing access to the > > Exchange server" or > > the RPC message box "retrieving data from Exchange server". These > > eventually fail and nothing is exchanged between the client > > and their server > > mailbox. > > > > Has anyone seen this? If so, what tips would you suggest? > > > > Thanks very much. > > -Juancho > > > > _ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROT
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
OL11 will work against Exchange 5.5, E2K, and Titanium. You just won't get all the features unless you run it against Titanium. Darcy -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:william@;techsanctuary.org] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 4:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook That would only be required to use all the functionality. You'll be able to use OL11 against your Linux-based mail server if you want. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bounce-exchange-104116@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Blunt, James H (Jim) Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook MS is going to force us to go to a .NET/Titanium platform in order to use OL11?! How freakin' stupid is that? It's a great marketing strategy, but I can't believe that they wouldn't make it backwards compatible with E2k/E5.5. Talk about continually shooting yourself in the foot with your customers... That's it! I'm done playing! I'm gonna move our whole organization to one Linux 8.0 server running CommuniGate Pro! Phhhppptt! -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook I am pretty sure you are correct. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:bms@;hawaiilawyer.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:16 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Yes, but I believe it requires Titanium on the server side too. You can't run over HTTP against an Exchange 5.5 Server just because you have OL11. Aloha, -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:06 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > > Has it been announced? > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:59 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Something like MAPI over http as announced for Outlook 11? > Maybe, but given the large install base of Outlook 97 still > out there, it would seem that an investment in VPN today > would have reasonable utility over the lifespan of the > hardware used to run it. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:53 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Hypothetically, if Microsoft came out with new technology > that would > > make MAPI obsolete (something like front-end/back-end OWA > with all the > > features of Outlook), would you then toss out the VPN and stop > > charging customers for it? > > > > I am still hoping that something like this will be > available, but then > > if I invest in VPN technologies it would be a waste of money. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN systems for > > those customers who are willing to pay for the added security. > > > > Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA > access, where > > their password is sent in clear text !! > > > > Yours, > > > > Julian Stone > > Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster > > > > Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 > > > > Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider > > > > Tel:+44 (0) 1344 444349 > > Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 > > Fax:+44 (0) 207 681 1238 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm > > HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/ > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: 30 October 2002 17:22 pm > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Been like this for 2 years now. > > > > Of course I always look for ways to make it better and safer. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, O
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Cisco ACS integrates with AD -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] Sent: 30 October 2002 17:18 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Is there a way to use RADIUS in conjunction with Active Directory? I mean, having to maintain another database is overhead, plus one would have to teach the customers how to authenticate against one more database, more overhead. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:04 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook RADIUS is just another authentication database - specifically geared towards remote access. Most ISPs use either it or TACACS if they are all Cisco. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:41 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Thanks I will take a look at that. Never played with RADIUS before. > > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:14 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I would disagree with that... A VPN solution with a RADIUS > server would > fit your needs quite well... > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:13 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > MAPI across the Internet. Please no flames. There is no VPN > that would be > universal enough for all kinds of customers. > > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:28 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > How do they connect? VPN, Direct Dial?? > > Are these users POPing their email? > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > servers from all > over the world, from a variety of client OSes. Their machines are not > members of our domain. They can't possibly use our WINS. > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short name of our > Exchange server? > > > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than doing it a > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in which > they must be > used. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, works every time... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:18 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Is it the LMHOSTS file or the HOSTS file ? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:24 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > yes you should use the lmhost file on the client pc to map to your > > exchange server thats what we use here at my office and it > works good. > > If you need > > more help dont hesitate to email me. > > > > rich > > > > -Original Message- > > From: JPC [
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
That's what IAS (Internet Authentication Server/Service) does. It's part of Win2K Server and above. > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: 30 October 2002 6:18 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Is there a way to use RADIUS in conjunction with Active > Directory? I mean, having to maintain another database is > overhead, plus one would have to teach the customers how to > authenticate against one more database, more overhead. > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:04 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > RADIUS is just another authentication database - specifically > geared towards remote access. Most ISPs use either it or > TACACS if they are all Cisco. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:41 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Thanks I will take a look at that. Never played with RADIUS before. > > > > -Original Message----- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:14 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > I would disagree with that... A VPN solution with a RADIUS > > server would > > fit your needs quite well... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:13 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > MAPI across the Internet. Please no flames. There is no VPN > > that would be > > universal enough for all kinds of customers. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:28 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > How do they connect? VPN, Direct Dial?? > > > > Are these users POPing their email? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > > servers from all > > over the world, from a variety of client OSes. Their > machines are not > > members of our domain. They can't possibly use our WINS. > > > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short > name of our > > Exchange server? > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than > doing it a > > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in which they > > must be used. > > > > -- > > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > > Sr. Systems Administrator > > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > > Atlanta, GA > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, works every time... > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
HA!!! I are no Socialist!!! :P -Original Message- From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:DNicholson@;rapidapp.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:33 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Someone's calling Don a socialist??? :P Drew Nicholson Technical Writer Network Engineer LAN Manager RapidApp 312-372-7188 (work) 312-543-0008 (cell) Born To Edit -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Not at all you socialist bastard. ;) > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:10 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Yeah... That's too bad really... > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:07 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > When your goal is to sell as many seats as possible @ $9.95 each, you > cut corners and customers get what they pay for. Welcome to the > wonderful world of capitalism. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:44 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > But as an ASP wouldn't you just charge more for the > services??? Maybe > > I'm just being blind, but I would think one would want to provide a > > more secure solution. Of course, added costs go with that > solution, > > but one would apply those costs to their clients I would think... > > _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
That would be stupid -- luckily that's not what they're doing. I really can't say anything about OL11 because I'm under NDA but it does NOT require .NET/Titanium to operate. It DOES, however, require .NET/Titanium if you want to use the MAPI over HTTP features. Aloha, -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:36 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > > MS is going to force us to go to a .NET/Titanium platform in > order to use OL11?! > > How freakin' stupid is that? It's a great marketing > strategy, but I can't believe that they wouldn't make it > backwards compatible with E2k/E5.5. Talk about continually > shooting yourself in the foot with your customers... > > That's it! I'm done playing! I'm gonna move our whole > organization to one Linux 8.0 server running CommuniGate Pro! > Phhhppptt! > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:22 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I am pretty sure you are correct. > > -Original Message----- > From: Ben Schorr [mailto:bms@;hawaiilawyer.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:16 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Yes, but I believe it requires Titanium on the server side > too. You can't > run over HTTP against an Exchange 5.5 Server just because you > have OL11. > > Aloha, > > -Ben- > Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3 > Director of Information Services > Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert > http://www.hawaiilawyer.com > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:06 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > Has it been announced? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:59 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Something like MAPI over http as announced for Outlook 11? > > Maybe, but given the large install base of Outlook 97 still > > out there, it would seem that an investment in VPN today > > would have reasonable utility over the lifespan of the > > hardware used to run it. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:53 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > Hypothetically, if Microsoft came out with new technology > > that would > > > make MAPI obsolete (something like front-end/back-end OWA > > with all the > > > features of Outlook), would you then toss out the VPN and stop > > > charging customers for it? > > > > > > I am still hoping that something like this will be > > available, but then > > > if I invest in VPN technologies it would be a waste of money. > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN systems for > > > those customers who are willing to pay for the added security. > > > > > > Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA > > access, where > > > their password is sent in clear text !! > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > Julian Stone > > > Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster > > > > > > Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 > > > > > > Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider > > > > > > Tel:+44 (0) 1344 444349 > > > Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 > > > Fax:+44 (0) 207 681 1238 > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm > > > HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/ > > > > > > > > > > >
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Ah...but that's okay. I'm already at Win2k or XP on all my clients and servers. The upgrade to SP3 from Win2k SP2 is free. And it's possible that I did misread the previous statement. But going to .NET/Titanium and an AD Structure, from our current Win2k / Ex5.5 / NT 4.0 domain model, will be quite spendy. Heck, it just cost me $54k to get our Outlook CAL's up to snuff, because you can't buy Ex5.5 CAL's anymore. They wouldn't listen to me last August, when you could still get those for ~$13/ea. Now, they're up to ~$67/ea for an Ex5.5/E2k CAL! -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 4:08 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Hell, they're going to make you upgrade to W2K Sp3 or XP for Office 11 too... -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook MS is going to force us to go to a .NET/Titanium platform in order to use OL11?! How freakin' stupid is that? It's a great marketing strategy, but I can't believe that they wouldn't make it backwards compatible with E2k/E5.5. Talk about continually shooting yourself in the foot with your customers... That's it! I'm done playing! I'm gonna move our whole organization to one Linux 8.0 server running CommuniGate Pro! Phhhppptt! -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook I am pretty sure you are correct. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:bms@;hawaiilawyer.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:16 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Yes, but I believe it requires Titanium on the server side too. You can't run over HTTP against an Exchange 5.5 Server just because you have OL11. Aloha, -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:06 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > > Has it been announced? > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:59 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Something like MAPI over http as announced for Outlook 11? Maybe, but > given the large install base of Outlook 97 still out there, it would > seem that an investment in VPN today would have reasonable utility > over the lifespan of the hardware used to run it. > > > -Original Message----- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:53 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Hypothetically, if Microsoft came out with new technology > that would > > make MAPI obsolete (something like front-end/back-end OWA > with all the > > features of Outlook), would you then toss out the VPN and stop > > charging customers for it? > > > > I am still hoping that something like this will be > available, but then > > if I invest in VPN technologies it would be a waste of money. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN systems for > > those customers who are willing to pay for the added security. > > > > Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA > access, where > > their password is sent in clear text !! > > > > Yours, > > > > Julian Stone > > Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster > > > > Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 > > > > Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider > > > > Tel: +44 (0) 1344 444349 > > Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 > > Fax:+44 (0) 207 681 1238 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm > > HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/ > > > > > > > > -Original Message----- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: 30 October 2002 17:22 pm > > To: Exchange Discussions &g
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
I'd certainly be happy with that at the moment. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bounce-exchange-104116@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Tom Meunier Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 4:45 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook 640 Megs ought to be enough for anyone. -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:davida@;vss.com] Posted At: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:24 PM Posted To: MSExchange Mailing List Conversation: VPN breaks Outlook Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook The paperclip requires a minimum of 512 Mg of ram. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 7:08 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Hell, they're going to make you upgrade to W2K Sp3 or XP for Office 11 too... -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook MS is going to force us to go to a .NET/Titanium platform in order to use OL11?! How freakin' stupid is that? It's a great marketing strategy, but I can't believe that they wouldn't make it backwards compatible with E2k/E5.5. Talk about continually shooting yourself in the foot with your customers... That's it! I'm done playing! I'm gonna move our whole organization to one Linux 8.0 server running CommuniGate Pro! Phhhppptt! -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook I am pretty sure you are correct. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:bms@;hawaiilawyer.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:16 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Yes, but I believe it requires Titanium on the server side too. You can't run over HTTP against an Exchange 5.5 Server just because you have OL11. Aloha, -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:06 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > > Has it been announced? > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:59 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Something like MAPI over http as announced for Outlook 11? Maybe, but > given the large install base of Outlook 97 still out there, it would > seem that an investment in VPN today would have reasonable utility > over the lifespan of the hardware used to run it. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:53 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Hypothetically, if Microsoft came out with new technology > that would > > make MAPI obsolete (something like front-end/back-end OWA > with all the > > features of Outlook), would you then toss out the VPN and stop > > charging customers for it? > > > > I am still hoping that something like this will be > available, but then > > if I invest in VPN technologies it would be a waste of money. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN systems for > > those customers who are willing to pay for the added security. > > > > Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA > access, where > > their password is sent in clear text !! > > > > Yours, > > > > Julian Stone > > Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster > > > > Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 > > > > Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider > > > > Tel:+44 (0) 1344 444349 > > Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 > > Fax:+44 (0) 207 681 1238 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm > > HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/ > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: 30 October 2002 17:22 pm > > To: Exchange Discussions > >
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
640 Megs ought to be enough for anyone. -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:davida@;vss.com] Posted At: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:24 PM Posted To: MSExchange Mailing List Conversation: VPN breaks Outlook Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook The paperclip requires a minimum of 512 Mg of ram. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 7:08 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Hell, they're going to make you upgrade to W2K Sp3 or XP for Office 11 too... -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook MS is going to force us to go to a .NET/Titanium platform in order to use OL11?! How freakin' stupid is that? It's a great marketing strategy, but I can't believe that they wouldn't make it backwards compatible with E2k/E5.5. Talk about continually shooting yourself in the foot with your customers... That's it! I'm done playing! I'm gonna move our whole organization to one Linux 8.0 server running CommuniGate Pro! Phhhppptt! -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook I am pretty sure you are correct. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:bms@;hawaiilawyer.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:16 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Yes, but I believe it requires Titanium on the server side too. You can't run over HTTP against an Exchange 5.5 Server just because you have OL11. Aloha, -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:06 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > > Has it been announced? > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:59 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Something like MAPI over http as announced for Outlook 11? Maybe, but > given the large install base of Outlook 97 still out there, it would > seem that an investment in VPN today would have reasonable utility > over the lifespan of the hardware used to run it. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:53 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Hypothetically, if Microsoft came out with new technology > that would > > make MAPI obsolete (something like front-end/back-end OWA > with all the > > features of Outlook), would you then toss out the VPN and stop > > charging customers for it? > > > > I am still hoping that something like this will be > available, but then > > if I invest in VPN technologies it would be a waste of money. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN systems for > > those customers who are willing to pay for the added security. > > > > Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA > access, where > > their password is sent in clear text !! > > > > Yours, > > > > Julian Stone > > Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster > > > > Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 > > > > Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider > > > > Tel:+44 (0) 1344 444349 > > Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 > > Fax:+44 (0) 207 681 1238 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm > > HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/ > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: 30 October 2002 17:22 pm > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Been like this for 2 years now. > > > > Of course I always look for ways to make it better and safer. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Ok...slight gaff/typo on my part. Should have read REDHAT Linux 8.0 -Original Message- From: Mike Carlson [mailto:domitianx@;domitianx.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Well you will be waiting a while to move to Linux 8 seeing as they are only on 2.4.19 right now. It will be quite a while before they get to version 8. -Mike http://www.uselessthoughts.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > From: Blunt, James H (Jim) > Reply To: Exchange Discussions > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 5:36 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > MS is going to force us to go to a .NET/Titanium platform in order to > use OL11?! > > How freakin' stupid is that? It's a great marketing strategy, but I > can't believe that they wouldn't make it backwards compatible with > E2k/E5.5. Talk about continually shooting yourself in the foot with > your customers... > > That's it! I'm done playing! I'm gonna move our whole organization > to one Linux 8.0 server running CommuniGate Pro! Phhhppptt! > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:22 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I am pretty sure you are correct. > > -Original Message- > From: Ben Schorr [mailto:bms@;hawaiilawyer.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:16 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Yes, but I believe it requires Titanium on the server side too. You > can't run over HTTP against an Exchange 5.5 Server just because you > have OL11. > > Aloha, > > -Ben- > Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3 > Director of Information Services > Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert > http://www.hawaiilawyer.com > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:06 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > Has it been announced? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:59 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Something like MAPI over http as announced for Outlook 11? Maybe, > > but given the large install base of Outlook 97 still out there, it > > would seem that an investment in VPN today would have reasonable > > utility over the lifespan of the hardware used to run it. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:53 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > Hypothetically, if Microsoft came out with new technology > > that would > > > make MAPI obsolete (something like front-end/back-end OWA > > with all the > > > features of Outlook), would you then toss out the VPN and stop > > > charging customers for it? > > > > > > I am still hoping that something like this will be > > available, but then > > > if I invest in VPN technologies it would be a waste of money. > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN systems for > > > those customers who are willing to pay for the added security. > > > > > > Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA > > access, where > > > their password is sent in clear text !! > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > Julian Stone > > > Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster > > > > > > Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 > > > > > > Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider > > > > > > Tel:+44 (0) 1344 444349 > > > Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 > > > Fax: +44 (0) 207 681 1238 > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm > > > HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/ > > &
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Someone's calling Don a socialist??? :P Drew Nicholson Technical Writer Network Engineer LAN Manager RapidApp 312-372-7188 (work) 312-543-0008 (cell) Born To Edit -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Not at all you socialist bastard. ;) > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:10 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Yeah... That's too bad really... > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:07 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > When your goal is to sell as many seats as possible @ $9.95 > each, you cut corners and customers get what they pay for. > Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:44 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > But as an ASP wouldn't you just charge more for the > services??? Maybe > > I'm just being blind, but I would think one would want to provide a > > more secure solution. Of course, added costs go with that > solution, > > but one would apply those costs to their clients I would think... > > _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Well, first you go buy a copy of Exchange 5.5 Enterprise (is that even possible anymore?) Then, you go to here: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm and find your answer. Drew Nicholson Technical Writer Network Engineer LAN Manager RapidApp 312-372-7188 (work) 312-543-0008 (cell) Born To Edit -Original Message- From: Manderino, Mike [mailto:mmanderino@;destinyhealth.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook 1) Urgent!! need to upgrade to Exchange 5.5 Enterprise. What is involved? Will this mess up my current exchange 5.5? 2) How do clean(flush)the deleted retention? 3) How do we safely move the database files? (Priv.edb, pub.edb ect...) Thanks Mike *** Confidentiality Note: This E-mail is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. Dissemination, distribution or copying of this E-mail or the information herein by anyone other than the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, is prohibited. If you have received this E-mail in error, please call the Mgr. of Information Technology at 301.222.0330 and destroy the original message and all copies. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
That would only be required to use all the functionality. You'll be able to use OL11 against your Linux-based mail server if you want. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bounce-exchange-104116@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Blunt, James H (Jim) Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook MS is going to force us to go to a .NET/Titanium platform in order to use OL11?! How freakin' stupid is that? It's a great marketing strategy, but I can't believe that they wouldn't make it backwards compatible with E2k/E5.5. Talk about continually shooting yourself in the foot with your customers... That's it! I'm done playing! I'm gonna move our whole organization to one Linux 8.0 server running CommuniGate Pro! Phhhppptt! -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook I am pretty sure you are correct. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:bms@;hawaiilawyer.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:16 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Yes, but I believe it requires Titanium on the server side too. You can't run over HTTP against an Exchange 5.5 Server just because you have OL11. Aloha, -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:06 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > > Has it been announced? > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:59 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Something like MAPI over http as announced for Outlook 11? > Maybe, but given the large install base of Outlook 97 still > out there, it would seem that an investment in VPN today > would have reasonable utility over the lifespan of the > hardware used to run it. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:53 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Hypothetically, if Microsoft came out with new technology > that would > > make MAPI obsolete (something like front-end/back-end OWA > with all the > > features of Outlook), would you then toss out the VPN and stop > > charging customers for it? > > > > I am still hoping that something like this will be > available, but then > > if I invest in VPN technologies it would be a waste of money. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN systems for > > those customers who are willing to pay for the added security. > > > > Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA > access, where > > their password is sent in clear text !! > > > > Yours, > > > > Julian Stone > > Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster > > > > Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 > > > > Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider > > > > Tel:+44 (0) 1344 444349 > > Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 > > Fax:+44 (0) 207 681 1238 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm > > HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/ > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: 30 October 2002 17:22 pm > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Been like this for 2 years now. > > > > Of course I always look for ways to make it better and safer. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > When your goal is to sell as many seats as possible @ $9.95 > each, you > > cut corners and customers get what they pay for. > > Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism. > >
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
The paperclip requires a minimum of 512 Mg of ram. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 7:08 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Hell, they're going to make you upgrade to W2K Sp3 or XP for Office 11 too... -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook MS is going to force us to go to a .NET/Titanium platform in order to use OL11?! How freakin' stupid is that? It's a great marketing strategy, but I can't believe that they wouldn't make it backwards compatible with E2k/E5.5. Talk about continually shooting yourself in the foot with your customers... That's it! I'm done playing! I'm gonna move our whole organization to one Linux 8.0 server running CommuniGate Pro! Phhhppptt! -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook I am pretty sure you are correct. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:bms@;hawaiilawyer.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:16 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Yes, but I believe it requires Titanium on the server side too. You can't run over HTTP against an Exchange 5.5 Server just because you have OL11. Aloha, -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:06 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > > Has it been announced? > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:59 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Something like MAPI over http as announced for Outlook 11? Maybe, but > given the large install base of Outlook 97 still out there, it would > seem that an investment in VPN today would have reasonable utility > over the lifespan of the hardware used to run it. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:53 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Hypothetically, if Microsoft came out with new technology > that would > > make MAPI obsolete (something like front-end/back-end OWA > with all the > > features of Outlook), would you then toss out the VPN and stop > > charging customers for it? > > > > I am still hoping that something like this will be > available, but then > > if I invest in VPN technologies it would be a waste of money. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN systems for > > those customers who are willing to pay for the added security. > > > > Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA > access, where > > their password is sent in clear text !! > > > > Yours, > > > > Julian Stone > > Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster > > > > Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 > > > > Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider > > > > Tel:+44 (0) 1344 444349 > > Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 > > Fax:+44 (0) 207 681 1238 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm > > HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/ > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: 30 October 2002 17:22 pm > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Been like this for 2 years now. > > > > Of course I always look for ways to make it better and safer. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > When your goal is to sell as many seats as possible @ $9.95 > each, you
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Hell, they're going to make you upgrade to W2K Sp3 or XP for Office 11 too... -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook MS is going to force us to go to a .NET/Titanium platform in order to use OL11?! How freakin' stupid is that? It's a great marketing strategy, but I can't believe that they wouldn't make it backwards compatible with E2k/E5.5. Talk about continually shooting yourself in the foot with your customers... That's it! I'm done playing! I'm gonna move our whole organization to one Linux 8.0 server running CommuniGate Pro! Phhhppptt! -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook I am pretty sure you are correct. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:bms@;hawaiilawyer.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:16 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Yes, but I believe it requires Titanium on the server side too. You can't run over HTTP against an Exchange 5.5 Server just because you have OL11. Aloha, -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:06 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > > Has it been announced? > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:59 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Something like MAPI over http as announced for Outlook 11? Maybe, but > given the large install base of Outlook 97 still out there, it would > seem that an investment in VPN today would have reasonable utility > over the lifespan of the hardware used to run it. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:53 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Hypothetically, if Microsoft came out with new technology > that would > > make MAPI obsolete (something like front-end/back-end OWA > with all the > > features of Outlook), would you then toss out the VPN and stop > > charging customers for it? > > > > I am still hoping that something like this will be > available, but then > > if I invest in VPN technologies it would be a waste of money. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN systems for > > those customers who are willing to pay for the added security. > > > > Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA > access, where > > their password is sent in clear text !! > > > > Yours, > > > > Julian Stone > > Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster > > > > Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 > > > > Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider > > > > Tel:+44 (0) 1344 444349 > > Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 > > Fax:+44 (0) 207 681 1238 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm > > HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/ > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: 30 October 2002 17:22 pm > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Been like this for 2 years now. > > > > Of course I always look for ways to make it better and safer. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > When your goal is to sell as many seats as possible @ $9.95 > each, you > > cut corners and customers get what they pay for. > > Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
I believe you've misread what was written. However, CommuniGate Pro is an excellent mail system for certain applications. If it fits the needs of your organization, then I highly recommend it. > -Original Message- > From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 5:36 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > > MS is going to force us to go to a .NET/Titanium platform in order to use > OL11?! > > How freakin' stupid is that? It's a great marketing strategy, but I can't > believe that they wouldn't make it backwards compatible with E2k/E5.5. > Talk > about continually shooting yourself in the foot with your customers... > > That's it! I'm done playing! I'm gonna move our whole organization to > one > Linux 8.0 server running CommuniGate Pro! Phhhppptt! > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:22 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I am pretty sure you are correct. > > -Original Message- > From: Ben Schorr [mailto:bms@;hawaiilawyer.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:16 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Yes, but I believe it requires Titanium on the server side too. You can't > run over HTTP against an Exchange 5.5 Server just because you have OL11. > > Aloha, > > -Ben- > Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3 > Director of Information Services > Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert > http://www.hawaiilawyer.com > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:06 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > Has it been announced? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:59 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Something like MAPI over http as announced for Outlook 11? > > Maybe, but given the large install base of Outlook 97 still > > out there, it would seem that an investment in VPN today > > would have reasonable utility over the lifespan of the > > hardware used to run it. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:53 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > Hypothetically, if Microsoft came out with new technology > > that would > > > make MAPI obsolete (something like front-end/back-end OWA > > with all the > > > features of Outlook), would you then toss out the VPN and stop > > > charging customers for it? > > > > > > I am still hoping that something like this will be > > available, but then > > > if I invest in VPN technologies it would be a waste of money. > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN systems for > > > those customers who are willing to pay for the added security. > > > > > > Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA > > access, where > > > their password is sent in clear text !! > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > Julian Stone > > > Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster > > > > > > Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 > > > > > > Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider > > > > > > Tel:+44 (0) 1344 444349 > > > Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 > > > Fax: +44 (0) 207 681 1238 > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm > > > HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: 30 October 2002 17:22 pm > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > Been like this for 2 year
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Where did you read that? Ben said OL11 required Titanium for MAPI over HTTP. Doesn't mean that vanilla MAPI won't be supported by OL11. Unless you read something else, which I would be interested in as well. Doesn't matter, I'm sure our company will be on OL2000 until around 2015. -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook MS is going to force us to go to a .NET/Titanium platform in order to use OL11?! How freakin' stupid is that? It's a great marketing strategy, but I can't believe that they wouldn't make it backwards compatible with E2k/E5.5. Talk about continually shooting yourself in the foot with your customers... That's it! I'm done playing! I'm gonna move our whole organization to one Linux 8.0 server running CommuniGate Pro! Phhhppptt! -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook I am pretty sure you are correct. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:bms@;hawaiilawyer.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:16 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Yes, but I believe it requires Titanium on the server side too. You can't run over HTTP against an Exchange 5.5 Server just because you have OL11. Aloha, -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:06 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > > Has it been announced? > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:59 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Something like MAPI over http as announced for Outlook 11? > Maybe, but given the large install base of Outlook 97 still > out there, it would seem that an investment in VPN today > would have reasonable utility over the lifespan of the > hardware used to run it. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:53 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Hypothetically, if Microsoft came out with new technology > that would > > make MAPI obsolete (something like front-end/back-end OWA > with all the > > features of Outlook), would you then toss out the VPN and stop > > charging customers for it? > > > > I am still hoping that something like this will be > available, but then > > if I invest in VPN technologies it would be a waste of money. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN systems for > > those customers who are willing to pay for the added security. > > > > Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA > access, where > > their password is sent in clear text !! > > > > Yours, > > > > Julian Stone > > Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster > > > > Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 > > > > Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider > > > > Tel:+44 (0) 1344 444349 > > Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 > > Fax:+44 (0) 207 681 1238 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm > > HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/ > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: 30 October 2002 17:22 pm > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Been like this for 2 years now. > > > > Of course I always look for ways to make it better and safer. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > When your goal is to sell as many seats as possible @ $9.95 > each, you
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Doesn't Linux 8.0 ship with AOL 8.0? Or does that go too far in fighting the evil domination of Redmond? (:= -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bounce-exchange-274642@;ls.swynk.com]On Behalf Of Mike Carlson Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 5:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Well you will be waiting a while to move to Linux 8 seeing as they are only on 2.4.19 right now. It will be quite a while before they get to version 8. -Mike http://www.uselessthoughts.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > From: Blunt, James H (Jim) > Reply To: Exchange Discussions > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 5:36 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > MS is going to force us to go to a .NET/Titanium platform in order to use > OL11?! > > How freakin' stupid is that? It's a great marketing strategy, but I can't > believe that they wouldn't make it backwards compatible with E2k/E5.5. > Talk > about continually shooting yourself in the foot with your customers... > > That's it! I'm done playing! I'm gonna move our whole organization to one > Linux 8.0 server running CommuniGate Pro! Phhhppptt! > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:22 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I am pretty sure you are correct. > > -Original Message- > From: Ben Schorr [mailto:bms@;hawaiilawyer.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:16 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Yes, but I believe it requires Titanium on the server side too. You can't > run over HTTP against an Exchange 5.5 Server just because you have OL11. > > Aloha, > > -Ben- > Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3 > Director of Information Services > Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert > http://www.hawaiilawyer.com > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:06 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > Has it been announced? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:59 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Something like MAPI over http as announced for Outlook 11? > > Maybe, but given the large install base of Outlook 97 still > > out there, it would seem that an investment in VPN today > > would have reasonable utility over the lifespan of the > > hardware used to run it. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:53 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > Hypothetically, if Microsoft came out with new technology > > that would > > > make MAPI obsolete (something like front-end/back-end OWA > > with all the > > > features of Outlook), would you then toss out the VPN and stop > > > charging customers for it? > > > > > > I am still hoping that something like this will be > > available, but then > > > if I invest in VPN technologies it would be a waste of money. > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN systems for > > > those customers who are willing to pay for the added security. > > > > > > Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA > > access, where > > > their password is sent in clear text !! > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > Julian Stone > > > Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster > > > > > > Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 > > > > > > Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider > > > > > > Tel:+44 (0) 1344 444349 > > > Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 > > > Fax: +44 (0) 207 681 1238 > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm > > > HomePa
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Well you will be waiting a while to move to Linux 8 seeing as they are only on 2.4.19 right now. It will be quite a while before they get to version 8. -Mike http://www.uselessthoughts.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > From: Blunt, James H (Jim) > Reply To: Exchange Discussions > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 5:36 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > MS is going to force us to go to a .NET/Titanium platform in order to use > OL11?! > > How freakin' stupid is that? It's a great marketing strategy, but I can't > believe that they wouldn't make it backwards compatible with E2k/E5.5. > Talk > about continually shooting yourself in the foot with your customers... > > That's it! I'm done playing! I'm gonna move our whole organization to one > Linux 8.0 server running CommuniGate Pro! Phhhppptt! > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:22 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I am pretty sure you are correct. > > -Original Message- > From: Ben Schorr [mailto:bms@;hawaiilawyer.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:16 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Yes, but I believe it requires Titanium on the server side too. You can't > run over HTTP against an Exchange 5.5 Server just because you have OL11. > > Aloha, > > -Ben- > Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3 > Director of Information Services > Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert > http://www.hawaiilawyer.com > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:06 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > Has it been announced? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:59 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Something like MAPI over http as announced for Outlook 11? > > Maybe, but given the large install base of Outlook 97 still > > out there, it would seem that an investment in VPN today > > would have reasonable utility over the lifespan of the > > hardware used to run it. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:53 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > Hypothetically, if Microsoft came out with new technology > > that would > > > make MAPI obsolete (something like front-end/back-end OWA > > with all the > > > features of Outlook), would you then toss out the VPN and stop > > > charging customers for it? > > > > > > I am still hoping that something like this will be > > available, but then > > > if I invest in VPN technologies it would be a waste of money. > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN systems for > > > those customers who are willing to pay for the added security. > > > > > > Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA > > access, where > > > their password is sent in clear text !! > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > Julian Stone > > > Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster > > > > > > Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 > > > > > > Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider > > > > > > Tel:+44 (0) 1344 444349 > > > Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 > > > Fax: +44 (0) 207 681 1238 > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm > > > HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: 30 October 2002 17:22 pm > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: V
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
MS is going to force us to go to a .NET/Titanium platform in order to use OL11?! How freakin' stupid is that? It's a great marketing strategy, but I can't believe that they wouldn't make it backwards compatible with E2k/E5.5. Talk about continually shooting yourself in the foot with your customers... That's it! I'm done playing! I'm gonna move our whole organization to one Linux 8.0 server running CommuniGate Pro! Phhhppptt! -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook I am pretty sure you are correct. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:bms@;hawaiilawyer.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:16 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Yes, but I believe it requires Titanium on the server side too. You can't run over HTTP against an Exchange 5.5 Server just because you have OL11. Aloha, -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:06 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > > Has it been announced? > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:59 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Something like MAPI over http as announced for Outlook 11? > Maybe, but given the large install base of Outlook 97 still > out there, it would seem that an investment in VPN today > would have reasonable utility over the lifespan of the > hardware used to run it. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:53 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Hypothetically, if Microsoft came out with new technology > that would > > make MAPI obsolete (something like front-end/back-end OWA > with all the > > features of Outlook), would you then toss out the VPN and stop > > charging customers for it? > > > > I am still hoping that something like this will be > available, but then > > if I invest in VPN technologies it would be a waste of money. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN systems for > > those customers who are willing to pay for the added security. > > > > Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA > access, where > > their password is sent in clear text !! > > > > Yours, > > > > Julian Stone > > Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster > > > > Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 > > > > Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider > > > > Tel:+44 (0) 1344 444349 > > Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 > > Fax:+44 (0) 207 681 1238 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm > > HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/ > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: 30 October 2002 17:22 pm > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Been like this for 2 years now. > > > > Of course I always look for ways to make it better and safer. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > When your goal is to sell as many seats as possible @ $9.95 > each, you > > cut corners and customers get what they pay for. > > Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:44 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > But as an ASP wouldn't you just charge more for the > &g
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
I am pretty sure you are correct. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:bms@;hawaiilawyer.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:16 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Yes, but I believe it requires Titanium on the server side too. You can't run over HTTP against an Exchange 5.5 Server just because you have OL11. Aloha, -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:06 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > > Has it been announced? > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:59 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Something like MAPI over http as announced for Outlook 11? > Maybe, but given the large install base of Outlook 97 still > out there, it would seem that an investment in VPN today > would have reasonable utility over the lifespan of the > hardware used to run it. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:53 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Hypothetically, if Microsoft came out with new technology > that would > > make MAPI obsolete (something like front-end/back-end OWA > with all the > > features of Outlook), would you then toss out the VPN and stop > > charging customers for it? > > > > I am still hoping that something like this will be > available, but then > > if I invest in VPN technologies it would be a waste of money. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN systems for > > those customers who are willing to pay for the added security. > > > > Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA > access, where > > their password is sent in clear text !! > > > > Yours, > > > > Julian Stone > > Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster > > > > Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 > > > > Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider > > > > Tel:+44 (0) 1344 444349 > > Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 > > Fax: +44 (0) 207 681 1238 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm > > HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/ > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: 30 October 2002 17:22 pm > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Been like this for 2 years now. > > > > Of course I always look for ways to make it better and safer. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > When your goal is to sell as many seats as possible @ $9.95 > each, you > > cut corners and customers get what they pay for. > > Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:44 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > But as an ASP wouldn't you just charge more for the > > services??? Maybe > > > I'm just being blind, but I would think one would want to > provide a > > > more secure solution. Of course, added costs go with that > > solution, > > > but one would apply those costs to their clients I would think... > > > > > > -Original Message----- > > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:44 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > I can seee some instances where the su
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Yes, but I believe it requires Titanium on the server side too. You can't run over HTTP against an Exchange 5.5 Server just because you have OL11. Aloha, -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:06 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > > Has it been announced? > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:59 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Something like MAPI over http as announced for Outlook 11? > Maybe, but given the large install base of Outlook 97 still > out there, it would seem that an investment in VPN today > would have reasonable utility over the lifespan of the > hardware used to run it. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:53 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Hypothetically, if Microsoft came out with new technology > that would > > make MAPI obsolete (something like front-end/back-end OWA > with all the > > features of Outlook), would you then toss out the VPN and stop > > charging customers for it? > > > > I am still hoping that something like this will be > available, but then > > if I invest in VPN technologies it would be a waste of money. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN systems for > > those customers who are willing to pay for the added security. > > > > Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA > access, where > > their password is sent in clear text !! > > > > Yours, > > > > Julian Stone > > Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster > > > > Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 > > > > Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider > > > > Tel:+44 (0) 1344 444349 > > Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 > > Fax: +44 (0) 207 681 1238 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm > > HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/ > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: 30 October 2002 17:22 pm > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Been like this for 2 years now. > > > > Of course I always look for ways to make it better and safer. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > When your goal is to sell as many seats as possible @ $9.95 > each, you > > cut corners and customers get what they pay for. > > Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:44 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > But as an ASP wouldn't you just charge more for the > > services??? Maybe > > > I'm just being blind, but I would think one would want to > provide a > > > more secure solution. Of course, added costs go with that > > solution, > > > but one would apply those costs to their clients I would think... > > > > > > -Original Message----- > > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:44 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > I can seee some instances where the support costs related > > to helping > > > Windows 95 users install and configure VPN might make an > > ASP shudder. > > > InnerHost is certainly not the only ASP to provide Exchang
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Actually, its not WINS/DNS. Its routing. Many VPN clients don't use straight routing, they shim the IP stack and intercept packets on their way to the routing engine (Cisco is a prime example) and its nearly impossible to run two at once. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:05 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > That's my thinking. In theory, it is "virtual", but it > introduces the client to multiple DNS and/or WINS > environments that could drive the client nuts. IMO. > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:00 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Multiple VPN can get ugly. Most clients can't handle it. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:56 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Do you offer one universal VPN to all customers or do they > > get a VPN that best matches their client capabilities? Do > > they set up their own PCs to use VPN or do you provide > > consulting services? > > > > P.S. this just popped up in my brain - what if one needs to > > simultaneously connect to multiple VPNs, is this possible? > > For example a customer may need to use VPN to connect to one > > place and at the same time use another VPN to connect to an > > Exchange server. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN > > systems for those > > customers who are willing to pay for the added security. > > > > Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA access, where > > their password is sent in clear text !! > > > > Yours, > > > > Julian Stone > > Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster > > > > Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 > > > > Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider > > > > Tel:+44 (0) 1344 444349 > > Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 > > Fax:+44 (0) 207 681 1238 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm > > HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/ > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: 30 October 2002 17:22 pm > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Been like this for 2 years now. > > > > Of course I always look for ways to make it better and safer. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > When your goal is to sell as many seats as possible @ $9.95 > each, you > > cut corners and customers get what they pay for. Welcome to the > > wonderful world of capitalism. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:44 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > But as an ASP wouldn't you just charge more for the > > > services??? Maybe I'm just being blind, but I would think > > > one would want to provide a more secure solution. Of course, > > > added costs go with that solution, but one would apply those > > > costs to their clients I would think... > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:44 AM > > >
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
lol. Anytime. > -Original Message- > From: Harmon, Michelle M. [mailto:Michelle.M.Harmon@;conoco.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:25 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > DAMN. That was GOOD. > > Next project I'm on, will you write my docs? > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:23 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Hence my assertion that the investment in VPN probably has a > lifespan of utility sufficient enoguh to make investment > warrented assuming a valid revenue model drives the implementation. > > > -Original Message- > > From: David J. Culliton [mailto:David@;Typedletters.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:10 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Nice thought perhaps but it won't help those users running any OS > > other than 2000 and XP > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:59 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Something like MAPI over http as announced for Outlook 11? > Maybe, but > > given the large install base of Outlook 97 still out there, > it would > > seem that an investment in VPN today would have reasonable utility > > over the lifespan of the hardware used to run it. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:53 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > Hypothetically, if Microsoft came out with new technology > > that would > > > make MAPI obsolete (something like front-end/back-end OWA > > with all the > > > features of Outlook), would you then toss out the VPN and stop > > > charging customers for it? > > > > > > I am still hoping that something like this will be > > available, but then > > > if I invest in VPN technologies it would be a waste of money. > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN > systems for > > > those customers who are willing to pay for the added security. > > > > > > Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA > > access, where > > > their password is sent in clear text !! > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > Julian Stone > > > Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster > > > > > > Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 > > > > > > Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider > > > > > > Tel:+44 (0) 1344 444349 > > > Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 > > > Fax:+44 (0) 207 681 1238 > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm > > > HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: 30 October 2002 17:22 pm > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > Been like this for 2 years now. > > > > > > Of course I always look for ways to make it better and safer. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:07 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > When your goal is to sell as many seats as possible @ $9.95 > > each, you > > > cut corners and customers get what they pay for. Welcome to the > > > wonderful world of capitalism. > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Ahh, allright then I don't have to pretend like I have not heard about it :) I thought it was still the NDA-protected topic. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Sure. Several times at MEC. Reported by several news outlets as well. http://www.entmag.com/news/article.asp?EditorialsID=5538 > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:06 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Has it been announced? > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:59 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Something like MAPI over http as announced for Outlook 11? > Maybe, but given the large install base of Outlook 97 still > out there, it would seem that an investment in VPN today > would have reasonable utility over the lifespan of the > hardware used to run it. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:53 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Hypothetically, if Microsoft came out with new technology > > that would make MAPI obsolete (something like > > front-end/back-end OWA with all the features of Outlook), > > would you then toss out the VPN and stop charging customers for it? > > > > I am still hoping that something like this will be available, > > but then if I invest in VPN technologies it would be a > waste of money. > > > > > > -----Original Message- > > From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN > > systems for those customers who are willing to pay for the > > added security. > > > > Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA > > access, where their password is sent in clear text !! > > > > Yours, > > > > Julian Stone > > Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster > > > > Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 > > > > Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider > > > > Tel:+44 (0) 1344 444349 > > Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 > > Fax: +44 (0) 207 681 1238 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm > > HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/ > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: 30 October 2002 17:22 pm > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Been like this for 2 years now. > > > > Of course I always look for ways to make it better and safer. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > When your goal is to sell as many seats as possible @ $9.95 > > each, you cut corners and customers get what they pay for. > > Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:44 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > But as an ASP wouldn't you just charge more for the > > services??? Maybe > > > I'm just being blind, but I would think one would want to > provide a > > > more secure solution. Of course, added costs go with that > > solution, > > > but one would apply those costs to their clients I would think... > > > > > > -Original Message----- > > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:44 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > I can seee some instances where the support costs related > > to helping >
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Well, then I guess they will have an incentive to upgrade - upgrade to 2000 or we will have to charge you extra for VPN :) -Original Message- From: David J. Culliton [mailto:David@;Typedletters.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:10 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Nice thought perhaps but it won't help those users running any OS other than 2000 and XP -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Something like MAPI over http as announced for Outlook 11? Maybe, but given the large install base of Outlook 97 still out there, it would seem that an investment in VPN today would have reasonable utility over the lifespan of the hardware used to run it. > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:53 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Hypothetically, if Microsoft came out with new technology > that would make MAPI obsolete (something like > front-end/back-end OWA with all the features of Outlook), > would you then toss out the VPN and stop charging customers for it? > > I am still hoping that something like this will be available, > but then if I invest in VPN technologies it would be a waste of money. > > > -Original Message- > From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN > systems for those customers who are willing to pay for the > added security. > > Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA > access, where their password is sent in clear text !! > > Yours, > > Julian Stone > Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster > > Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 > > Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider > > Tel:+44 (0) 1344 444349 > Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 > Fax:+44 (0) 207 681 1238 > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm > HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/ > > > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: 30 October 2002 17:22 pm > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Been like this for 2 years now. > > Of course I always look for ways to make it better and safer. > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:07 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > When your goal is to sell as many seats as possible @ $9.95 > each, you cut corners and customers get what they pay for. > Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:44 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > But as an ASP wouldn't you just charge more for the > services??? Maybe > > I'm just being blind, but I would think one would want to provide a > > more secure solution. Of course, added costs go with that > solution, > > but one would apply those costs to their clients I would think... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:44 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > I can seee some instances where the support costs related > to helping > > Windows 95 users install and configure VPN might make an > ASP shudder. > > InnerHost is certainly not the only ASP to provide Exchange > access in > > that manner. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:14 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > I would disagree with that... A VPN solution with a > RADIUS server > > > would fit your needs quite well... > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:13 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions &
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
DAMN. That was GOOD. Next project I'm on, will you write my docs? -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:23 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Hence my assertion that the investment in VPN probably has a lifespan of utility sufficient enoguh to make investment warrented assuming a valid revenue model drives the implementation. > -Original Message- > From: David J. Culliton [mailto:David@;Typedletters.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:10 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Nice thought perhaps but it won't help those users running > any OS other than 2000 and XP > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:59 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Something like MAPI over http as announced for Outlook 11? > Maybe, but given the large install base of Outlook 97 still > out there, it would seem that an investment in VPN today > would have reasonable utility over the lifespan of the > hardware used to run it. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:53 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Hypothetically, if Microsoft came out with new technology > that would > > make MAPI obsolete (something like front-end/back-end OWA > with all the > > features of Outlook), would you then toss out the VPN and stop > > charging customers for it? > > > > I am still hoping that something like this will be > available, but then > > if I invest in VPN technologies it would be a waste of money. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN systems for > > those customers who are willing to pay for the added security. > > > > Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA > access, where > > their password is sent in clear text !! > > > > Yours, > > > > Julian Stone > > Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster > > > > Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 > > > > Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider > > > > Tel:+44 (0) 1344 444349 > > Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 > > Fax:+44 (0) 207 681 1238 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm > > HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/ > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: 30 October 2002 17:22 pm > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Been like this for 2 years now. > > > > Of course I always look for ways to make it better and safer. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > When your goal is to sell as many seats as possible @ $9.95 > each, you > > cut corners and customers get what they pay for. Welcome to the > > wonderful world of capitalism. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:44 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > But as an ASP wouldn't you just charge more for the > > services??? Maybe > > > I'm just being blind, but I would think one would want to > provide a > > > more secure solution. Of course, added costs go with that > > solution, > > > but one would apply those costs to their clients I would think... > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:44 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > I can se
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Hence my assertion that the investment in VPN probably has a lifespan of utility sufficient enoguh to make investment warrented assuming a valid revenue model drives the implementation. > -Original Message- > From: David J. Culliton [mailto:David@;Typedletters.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:10 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Nice thought perhaps but it won't help those users running > any OS other than 2000 and XP > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:59 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Something like MAPI over http as announced for Outlook 11? > Maybe, but given the large install base of Outlook 97 still > out there, it would seem that an investment in VPN today > would have reasonable utility over the lifespan of the > hardware used to run it. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:53 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Hypothetically, if Microsoft came out with new technology > that would > > make MAPI obsolete (something like front-end/back-end OWA > with all the > > features of Outlook), would you then toss out the VPN and stop > > charging customers for it? > > > > I am still hoping that something like this will be > available, but then > > if I invest in VPN technologies it would be a waste of money. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN systems for > > those customers who are willing to pay for the added security. > > > > Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA > access, where > > their password is sent in clear text !! > > > > Yours, > > > > Julian Stone > > Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster > > > > Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 > > > > Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider > > > > Tel:+44 (0) 1344 444349 > > Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 > > Fax:+44 (0) 207 681 1238 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm > > HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/ > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: 30 October 2002 17:22 pm > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Been like this for 2 years now. > > > > Of course I always look for ways to make it better and safer. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > When your goal is to sell as many seats as possible @ $9.95 > each, you > > cut corners and customers get what they pay for. Welcome to the > > wonderful world of capitalism. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:44 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > But as an ASP wouldn't you just charge more for the > > services??? Maybe > > > I'm just being blind, but I would think one would want to > provide a > > > more secure solution. Of course, added costs go with that > > solution, > > > but one would apply those costs to their clients I would think... > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:44 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > I can seee some instances where the support costs related > > to helping > > > Windows 95 users install and configure VPN might make an > > ASP shudder. > > > InnerHost is certainly not the only ASP to provide Exchange >
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Yes. I think it's included with the next ver of exch. I understand that they also "optimized" the super chatty mapi communication somewhat. -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:06 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Has it been announced? -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Something like MAPI over http as announced for Outlook 11? Maybe, but given the large install base of Outlook 97 still out there, it would seem that an investment in VPN today would have reasonable utility over the lifespan of the hardware used to run it. > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:53 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Hypothetically, if Microsoft came out with new technology > that would make MAPI obsolete (something like > front-end/back-end OWA with all the features of Outlook), > would you then toss out the VPN and stop charging customers for it? > > I am still hoping that something like this will be available, > but then if I invest in VPN technologies it would be a waste of money. > > > -Original Message- > From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN > systems for those customers who are willing to pay for the > added security. > > Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA > access, where their password is sent in clear text !! > > Yours, > > Julian Stone > Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster > > Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 > > Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider > > Tel:+44 (0) 1344 444349 > Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 > Fax:+44 (0) 207 681 1238 > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm > HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/ > > > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: 30 October 2002 17:22 pm > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Been like this for 2 years now. > > Of course I always look for ways to make it better and safer. > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:07 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > When your goal is to sell as many seats as possible @ $9.95 > each, you cut corners and customers get what they pay for. > Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:44 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > But as an ASP wouldn't you just charge more for the > services??? Maybe > > I'm just being blind, but I would think one would want to provide a > > more secure solution. Of course, added costs go with that > solution, > > but one would apply those costs to their clients I would think... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:44 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > I can seee some instances where the support costs related > to helping > > Windows 95 users install and configure VPN might make an > ASP shudder. > > InnerHost is certainly not the only ASP to provide Exchange > access in > > that manner. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:14 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > I would disagree with that... A VPN solution with a > RADIUS server > > > would fit your needs quite well... > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:13 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Sure. Several times at MEC. Reported by several news outlets as well. http://www.entmag.com/news/article.asp?EditorialsID=5538 > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:06 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Has it been announced? > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:59 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Something like MAPI over http as announced for Outlook 11? > Maybe, but given the large install base of Outlook 97 still > out there, it would seem that an investment in VPN today > would have reasonable utility over the lifespan of the > hardware used to run it. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:53 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Hypothetically, if Microsoft came out with new technology > > that would make MAPI obsolete (something like > > front-end/back-end OWA with all the features of Outlook), > > would you then toss out the VPN and stop charging customers for it? > > > > I am still hoping that something like this will be available, > > but then if I invest in VPN technologies it would be a > waste of money. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN > > systems for those customers who are willing to pay for the > > added security. > > > > Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA > > access, where their password is sent in clear text !! > > > > Yours, > > > > Julian Stone > > Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster > > > > Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 > > > > Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider > > > > Tel:+44 (0) 1344 444349 > > Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 > > Fax: +44 (0) 207 681 1238 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm > > HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/ > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: 30 October 2002 17:22 pm > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Been like this for 2 years now. > > > > Of course I always look for ways to make it better and safer. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > When your goal is to sell as many seats as possible @ $9.95 > > each, you cut corners and customers get what they pay for. > > Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:44 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > But as an ASP wouldn't you just charge more for the > > services??? Maybe > > > I'm just being blind, but I would think one would want to > provide a > > > more secure solution. Of course, added costs go with that > > solution, > > > but one would apply those costs to their clients I would think... > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:44 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > I can seee some instances where the support costs related > > to helping > > > Windows 95 users install and configure VPN might make an > > ASP shudder. > > > InnerHost is certainly not the only ASP to provide Exchange > > access in > > > that manner. > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;Tr
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Nice thought perhaps but it won't help those users running any OS other than 2000 and XP -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Something like MAPI over http as announced for Outlook 11? Maybe, but given the large install base of Outlook 97 still out there, it would seem that an investment in VPN today would have reasonable utility over the lifespan of the hardware used to run it. > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:53 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Hypothetically, if Microsoft came out with new technology > that would make MAPI obsolete (something like > front-end/back-end OWA with all the features of Outlook), > would you then toss out the VPN and stop charging customers for it? > > I am still hoping that something like this will be available, > but then if I invest in VPN technologies it would be a waste of money. > > > -Original Message- > From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN > systems for those customers who are willing to pay for the > added security. > > Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA > access, where their password is sent in clear text !! > > Yours, > > Julian Stone > Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster > > Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 > > Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider > > Tel:+44 (0) 1344 444349 > Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 > Fax:+44 (0) 207 681 1238 > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm > HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/ > > > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: 30 October 2002 17:22 pm > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Been like this for 2 years now. > > Of course I always look for ways to make it better and safer. > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:07 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > When your goal is to sell as many seats as possible @ $9.95 > each, you cut corners and customers get what they pay for. > Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:44 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > But as an ASP wouldn't you just charge more for the > services??? Maybe > > I'm just being blind, but I would think one would want to provide a > > more secure solution. Of course, added costs go with that > solution, > > but one would apply those costs to their clients I would think... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:44 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > I can seee some instances where the support costs related > to helping > > Windows 95 users install and configure VPN might make an > ASP shudder. > > InnerHost is certainly not the only ASP to provide Exchange > access in > > that manner. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:14 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > I would disagree with that... A VPN solution with a > RADIUS server > > > would fit your needs quite well... > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:13 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > MAPI across the Internet. Please no flames. There is no VPN > > that would > > > be universal enough for all kinds of customers. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From:
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Has it been announced? -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Something like MAPI over http as announced for Outlook 11? Maybe, but given the large install base of Outlook 97 still out there, it would seem that an investment in VPN today would have reasonable utility over the lifespan of the hardware used to run it. > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:53 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Hypothetically, if Microsoft came out with new technology > that would make MAPI obsolete (something like > front-end/back-end OWA with all the features of Outlook), > would you then toss out the VPN and stop charging customers for it? > > I am still hoping that something like this will be available, > but then if I invest in VPN technologies it would be a waste of money. > > > -Original Message- > From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN > systems for those customers who are willing to pay for the > added security. > > Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA > access, where their password is sent in clear text !! > > Yours, > > Julian Stone > Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster > > Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 > > Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider > > Tel:+44 (0) 1344 444349 > Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 > Fax:+44 (0) 207 681 1238 > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm > HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/ > > > > -----Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: 30 October 2002 17:22 pm > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Been like this for 2 years now. > > Of course I always look for ways to make it better and safer. > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:07 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > When your goal is to sell as many seats as possible @ $9.95 > each, you cut corners and customers get what they pay for. > Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:44 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > But as an ASP wouldn't you just charge more for the > services??? Maybe > > I'm just being blind, but I would think one would want to provide a > > more secure solution. Of course, added costs go with that > solution, > > but one would apply those costs to their clients I would think... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:44 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > I can seee some instances where the support costs related > to helping > > Windows 95 users install and configure VPN might make an > ASP shudder. > > InnerHost is certainly not the only ASP to provide Exchange > access in > > that manner. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:14 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > I would disagree with that... A VPN solution with a > RADIUS server > > > would fit your needs quite well... > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:13 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > MAPI across the Internet. Please no flames. There is no VPN > > that would > > > be universal enough for all kinds of customers. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > >
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
That's my thinking. In theory, it is "virtual", but it introduces the client to multiple DNS and/or WINS environments that could drive the client nuts. IMO. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:00 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Multiple VPN can get ugly. Most clients can't handle it. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:56 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Do you offer one universal VPN to all customers or do they > get a VPN that best matches their client capabilities? Do > they set up their own PCs to use VPN or do you provide > consulting services? > > P.S. this just popped up in my brain - what if one needs to > simultaneously connect to multiple VPNs, is this possible? > For example a customer may need to use VPN to connect to one > place and at the same time use another VPN to connect to an > Exchange server. > > -Original Message- > From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN > systems for those > customers who are willing to pay for the added security. > > Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA access, where > their password is sent in clear text !! > > Yours, > > Julian Stone > Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster > > Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 > > Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider > > Tel:+44 (0) 1344 444349 > Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 > Fax:+44 (0) 207 681 1238 > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm > HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/ > > > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: 30 October 2002 17:22 pm > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Been like this for 2 years now. > > Of course I always look for ways to make it better and safer. > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:07 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > When your goal is to sell as many seats as possible @ $9.95 each, you > cut corners and customers get what they pay for. Welcome to the > wonderful world of capitalism. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:44 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > But as an ASP wouldn't you just charge more for the > > services??? Maybe I'm just being blind, but I would think > > one would want to provide a more secure solution. Of course, > > added costs go with that solution, but one would apply those > > costs to their clients I would think... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:44 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > I can seee some instances where the support costs related to > > helping Windows 95 users install and configure VPN might make > > an ASP shudder. InnerHost is certainly not the only ASP to > > provide Exchange access in that manner. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:14 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > I would disagree with that... A VPN solution with a > RADIUS server > > > would fit your needs quite well... > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:13 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > MAPI across the Internet. Please no flames. There is no VPN > > that would
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Something like MAPI over http as announced for Outlook 11? Maybe, but given the large install base of Outlook 97 still out there, it would seem that an investment in VPN today would have reasonable utility over the lifespan of the hardware used to run it. > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:53 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Hypothetically, if Microsoft came out with new technology > that would make MAPI obsolete (something like > front-end/back-end OWA with all the features of Outlook), > would you then toss out the VPN and stop charging customers for it? > > I am still hoping that something like this will be available, > but then if I invest in VPN technologies it would be a waste of money. > > > -Original Message- > From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN > systems for those customers who are willing to pay for the > added security. > > Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA > access, where their password is sent in clear text !! > > Yours, > > Julian Stone > Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster > > Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 > > Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider > > Tel:+44 (0) 1344 444349 > Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 > Fax:+44 (0) 207 681 1238 > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm > HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/ > > > > -----Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: 30 October 2002 17:22 pm > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Been like this for 2 years now. > > Of course I always look for ways to make it better and safer. > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:07 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > When your goal is to sell as many seats as possible @ $9.95 > each, you cut corners and customers get what they pay for. > Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:44 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > But as an ASP wouldn't you just charge more for the > services??? Maybe > > I'm just being blind, but I would think one would want to provide a > > more secure solution. Of course, added costs go with that > solution, > > but one would apply those costs to their clients I would think... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:44 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > I can seee some instances where the support costs related > to helping > > Windows 95 users install and configure VPN might make an > ASP shudder. > > InnerHost is certainly not the only ASP to provide Exchange > access in > > that manner. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:14 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > I would disagree with that... A VPN solution with a > RADIUS server > > > would fit your needs quite well... > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:13 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > MAPI across the Internet. Please no flames. There is no VPN > > that would > > > be universal enough for all kinds of customers. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:28 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > How do they connect? VPN, Di
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
I don't see a time where some method of secure communications won't be needed. That said, if the venture in to VPN was worth it, I'd be pursuing it in your shoes... -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Hypothetically, if Microsoft came out with new technology that would make MAPI obsolete (something like front-end/back-end OWA with all the features of Outlook), would you then toss out the VPN and stop charging customers for it? I am still hoping that something like this will be available, but then if I invest in VPN technologies it would be a waste of money. -Original Message- From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN systems for those customers who are willing to pay for the added security. Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA access, where their password is sent in clear text !! Yours, Julian Stone Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider Tel:+44 (0) 1344 444349 Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 Fax:+44 (0) 207 681 1238 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/ -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] Sent: 30 October 2002 17:22 pm To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Been like this for 2 years now. Of course I always look for ways to make it better and safer. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:07 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook When your goal is to sell as many seats as possible @ $9.95 each, you cut corners and customers get what they pay for. Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism. > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:44 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > But as an ASP wouldn't you just charge more for the services??? Maybe > I'm just being blind, but I would think one would want to provide a > more secure solution. Of course, added costs go with that solution, > but one would apply those costs to their clients I would think... > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:44 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I can seee some instances where the support costs related to helping > Windows 95 users install and configure VPN might make an ASP shudder. > InnerHost is certainly not the only ASP to provide Exchange access in > that manner. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:14 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > I would disagree with that... A VPN solution with a RADIUS server > > would fit your needs quite well... > > > > -----Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:13 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > MAPI across the Internet. Please no flames. There is no VPN > that would > > be universal enough for all kinds of customers. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:28 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > How do they connect? VPN, Direct Dial?? > > > > Are these users POPing their email? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange servers > > from all over the world, from a variety of client OSes. > Their machines > > are not members of our domain. They can't possibly use our WINS. > > > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short > name o
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Multiple VPN can get ugly. Most clients can't handle it. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:56 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Do you offer one universal VPN to all customers or do they > get a VPN that best matches their client capabilities? Do > they set up their own PCs to use VPN or do you provide > consulting services? > > P.S. this just popped up in my brain - what if one needs to > simultaneously connect to multiple VPNs, is this possible? > For example a customer may need to use VPN to connect to one > place and at the same time use another VPN to connect to an > Exchange server. > > -Original Message- > From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN > systems for those > customers who are willing to pay for the added security. > > Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA access, where > their password is sent in clear text !! > > Yours, > > Julian Stone > Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster > > Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 > > Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider > > Tel:+44 (0) 1344 444349 > Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 > Fax:+44 (0) 207 681 1238 > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm > HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/ > > > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: 30 October 2002 17:22 pm > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Been like this for 2 years now. > > Of course I always look for ways to make it better and safer. > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:07 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > When your goal is to sell as many seats as possible @ $9.95 each, you > cut corners and customers get what they pay for. Welcome to the > wonderful world of capitalism. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:44 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > But as an ASP wouldn't you just charge more for the > > services??? Maybe I'm just being blind, but I would think > > one would want to provide a more secure solution. Of course, > > added costs go with that solution, but one would apply those > > costs to their clients I would think... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:44 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > I can seee some instances where the support costs related to > > helping Windows 95 users install and configure VPN might make > > an ASP shudder. InnerHost is certainly not the only ASP to > > provide Exchange access in that manner. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:14 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > I would disagree with that... A VPN solution with a > RADIUS server > > > would fit your needs quite well... > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:13 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > MAPI across the Internet. Please no flames. There is no VPN > > that would > > > be universal enough for all kinds of customers. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:28 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > >
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
One can VPN into multiple networks, it's best to uncheck use this connection as the default gateway (or whatever that box says) when connecting to multiple VPNs simultaneously. VPN as a 'premium' option only makes sense if there is separate hardware (and AD) for VPN customers vs. non-VPN customers. At least off the cuff anyway. > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:56 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Do you offer one universal VPN to all customers or do they > get a VPN that best matches their client capabilities? Do > they set up their own PCs to use VPN or do you provide > consulting services? > > P.S. this just popped up in my brain - what if one needs to > simultaneously connect to multiple VPNs, is this possible? > For example a customer may need to use VPN to connect to one > place and at the same time use another VPN to connect to an > Exchange server. > > -Original Message- > From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN > systems for those customers who are willing to pay for the > added security. > > Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA > access, where their password is sent in clear text !! > > Yours, > > Julian Stone > Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster > > Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 > > Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider > > Tel:+44 (0) 1344 444349 > Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 > Fax:+44 (0) 207 681 1238 > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm > HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/ > > > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: 30 October 2002 17:22 pm > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Been like this for 2 years now. > > Of course I always look for ways to make it better and safer. > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:07 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > When your goal is to sell as many seats as possible @ $9.95 > each, you cut corners and customers get what they pay for. > Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:44 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > But as an ASP wouldn't you just charge more for the > services??? Maybe > > I'm just being blind, but I would think one would want to provide a > > more secure solution. Of course, added costs go with that > solution, > > but one would apply those costs to their clients I would think... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:44 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > I can seee some instances where the support costs related > to helping > > Windows 95 users install and configure VPN might make an > ASP shudder. > > InnerHost is certainly not the only ASP to provide Exchange > access in > > that manner. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:14 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > I would disagree with that... A VPN solution with a > RADIUS server > > > would fit your needs quite well... > > > > > > -Original Message----- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:13 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > MAPI across the Internet. Please no flames. There is no VPN > > that would > > > be universal enough for all kinds of customers. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > Sent: Wedne
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Hypothetically, if Microsoft came out with new technology that would make MAPI obsolete (something like front-end/back-end OWA with all the features of Outlook), would you then toss out the VPN and stop charging customers for it? I am still hoping that something like this will be available, but then if I invest in VPN technologies it would be a waste of money. -Original Message- From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN systems for those customers who are willing to pay for the added security. Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA access, where their password is sent in clear text !! Yours, Julian Stone Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider Tel:+44 (0) 1344 444349 Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 Fax:+44 (0) 207 681 1238 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/ -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] Sent: 30 October 2002 17:22 pm To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Been like this for 2 years now. Of course I always look for ways to make it better and safer. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:07 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook When your goal is to sell as many seats as possible @ $9.95 each, you cut corners and customers get what they pay for. Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism. > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:44 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > But as an ASP wouldn't you just charge more for the > services??? Maybe I'm just being blind, but I would think > one would want to provide a more secure solution. Of course, > added costs go with that solution, but one would apply those > costs to their clients I would think... > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:44 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I can seee some instances where the support costs related to > helping Windows 95 users install and configure VPN might make > an ASP shudder. InnerHost is certainly not the only ASP to > provide Exchange access in that manner. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:14 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > I would disagree with that... A VPN solution with a RADIUS server > > would fit your needs quite well... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:13 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > MAPI across the Internet. Please no flames. There is no VPN > that would > > be universal enough for all kinds of customers. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:28 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > How do they connect? VPN, Direct Dial?? > > > > Are these users POPing their email? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange servers > > from all over the world, from a variety of client OSes. > Their machines > > are not members of our domain. They can't possibly use our WINS. > > > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short > name of our > > Exchange server? > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > No there aren't. There are time
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
besides, if you have your DNS servers configured properly, it's harder to get that info than doing a port scan. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Perzactly. Anyone interested already knows where your servers are. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:08 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > A port scan of an IP range will tell them more than enough > with or without > DNS entries. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:43 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > I don't want to publish the back-end Exchange servers in DNS > > for all the hackers to see. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:25 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > How are they getting to the Internet then? Publish a host in > > your domain. > > > > -- > > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > > Sr. Systems Administrator > > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > > Atlanta, GA > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:12 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > OK, I agree, but some of them don't even have their own DNS. > > > Then what? - the common denominator that would fit all > > > customers is the HOSTS file. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:52 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > I'd add the domain name to their DNS suffix search order. > > > > > > -- > > > Chris Scharff > > > EMS Sales Engineer > > > MessageOne > > > 512.652.4500 x-244 > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:12 AM > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > > > > > > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > > > > servers from all over the world, from a variety of client > > > > OSes. Their machines are not members of our domain. They > > > > can't possibly use our WINS. > > > > > > > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short > > > > name of our Exchange server? > > > > > > _ > > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > > > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > _ > > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > > > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > _ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ &
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
We do that, our VPN runs against radius and that gets its authentication from AD -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Yeah. I think its called IAS - Internet Authentication Service or something similar. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:18 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Is there a way to use RADIUS in conjunction with Active > Directory? I mean, having to maintain another database is > overhead, plus one would have to teach the customers how to > authenticate against one more database, more overhead. > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:04 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > RADIUS is just another authentication database - specifically > geared towards > remote access. Most ISPs use either it or TACACS if they are > all Cisco. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:41 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Thanks I will take a look at that. Never played with RADIUS before. > > > > -Original Message----- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:14 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > I would disagree with that... A VPN solution with a RADIUS > > server would > > fit your needs quite well... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:13 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > MAPI across the Internet. Please no flames. There is no VPN > > that would be > > universal enough for all kinds of customers. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:28 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > How do they connect? VPN, Direct Dial?? > > > > Are these users POPing their email? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > > servers from all > > over the world, from a variety of client OSes. Their > machines are not > > members of our domain. They can't possibly use our WINS. > > > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short > name of our > > Exchange server? > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than doing it a > > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in which > > they must be > > used. > > > > -- > > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > > Sr. Systems Administrator > > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > > Atlanta, GA > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Ely, Don
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Do you offer one universal VPN to all customers or do they get a VPN that best matches their client capabilities? Do they set up their own PCs to use VPN or do you provide consulting services? P.S. this just popped up in my brain - what if one needs to simultaneously connect to multiple VPNs, is this possible? For example a customer may need to use VPN to connect to one place and at the same time use another VPN to connect to an Exchange server. -Original Message- From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN systems for those customers who are willing to pay for the added security. Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA access, where their password is sent in clear text !! Yours, Julian Stone Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider Tel:+44 (0) 1344 444349 Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 Fax:+44 (0) 207 681 1238 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/ -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] Sent: 30 October 2002 17:22 pm To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Been like this for 2 years now. Of course I always look for ways to make it better and safer. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:07 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook When your goal is to sell as many seats as possible @ $9.95 each, you cut corners and customers get what they pay for. Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism. > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:44 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > But as an ASP wouldn't you just charge more for the > services??? Maybe I'm just being blind, but I would think > one would want to provide a more secure solution. Of course, > added costs go with that solution, but one would apply those > costs to their clients I would think... > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:44 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I can seee some instances where the support costs related to > helping Windows 95 users install and configure VPN might make > an ASP shudder. InnerHost is certainly not the only ASP to > provide Exchange access in that manner. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:14 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > I would disagree with that... A VPN solution with a RADIUS server > > would fit your needs quite well... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:13 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > MAPI across the Internet. Please no flames. There is no VPN > that would > > be universal enough for all kinds of customers. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:28 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > How do they connect? VPN, Direct Dial?? > > > > Are these users POPing their email? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange servers > > from all over the world, from a variety of client OSes. > Their machines > > are not members of our domain. They can't possibly use our WINS. > > > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short > name of our > > Exchange server? > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN systems for those customers who are willing to pay for the added security. Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA access, where their password is sent in clear text !! Yours, Julian Stone Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider Tel:+44 (0) 1344 444349 Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 Fax:+44 (0) 207 681 1238 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/ -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] Sent: 30 October 2002 17:22 pm To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Been like this for 2 years now. Of course I always look for ways to make it better and safer. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:07 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook When your goal is to sell as many seats as possible @ $9.95 each, you cut corners and customers get what they pay for. Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism. > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:44 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > But as an ASP wouldn't you just charge more for the > services??? Maybe I'm just being blind, but I would think > one would want to provide a more secure solution. Of course, > added costs go with that solution, but one would apply those > costs to their clients I would think... > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:44 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I can seee some instances where the support costs related to > helping Windows 95 users install and configure VPN might make > an ASP shudder. InnerHost is certainly not the only ASP to > provide Exchange access in that manner. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:14 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > I would disagree with that... A VPN solution with a RADIUS server > > would fit your needs quite well... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:13 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > MAPI across the Internet. Please no flames. There is no VPN > that would > > be universal enough for all kinds of customers. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:28 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > How do they connect? VPN, Direct Dial?? > > > > Are these users POPing their email? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange servers > > from all over the world, from a variety of client OSes. > Their machines > > are not members of our domain. They can't possibly use our WINS. > > > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short > name of our > > Exchange server? > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than > doing it a > > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in which they > > must be used. > > > > -- > > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > > Sr. Systems Administrator > > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > > Atlanta, GA > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
It's a tough market. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook I'm not discounting the fact that they want the collaborative features, I'm merely saying that security "should" be a part of those features. That's just me though... -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:16 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Our premise is that we allow all customers to use MAPI Outlook. No one wants to only use OWA or POP3 or IMAP. They want all the (collaboration) features of Exchange/Outlook as per Microsoft's promotional materials. If they only needed to be able to send/receive mail, they would go with a simple and less expensive POP3 provider. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:44 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook But as an ASP wouldn't you just charge more for the services??? Maybe I'm just being blind, but I would think one would want to provide a more secure solution. Of course, added costs go with that solution, but one would apply those costs to their clients I would think... -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:44 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook I can seee some instances where the support costs related to helping Windows 95 users install and configure VPN might make an ASP shudder. InnerHost is certainly not the only ASP to provide Exchange access in that manner. > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:14 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I would disagree with that... A VPN solution with a RADIUS server > would fit your needs quite well... > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:13 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > MAPI across the Internet. Please no flames. There is no VPN that would > be universal enough for all kinds of customers. > > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:28 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > How do they connect? VPN, Direct Dial?? > > Are these users POPing their email? > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange servers > from all over the world, from a variety of client OSes. Their machines > are not members of our domain. They can't possibly use our WINS. > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short name of our > Exchange server? > > > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than doing it a > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in which they > must be used. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, works every time... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:18 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Is it the LMHOSTS file or the HOSTS file ? > > > > -Original Message
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
If you weren't such a paranoid freak, we wouldn't like you so much. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:11 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I'm not discounting the fact that they want the collaborative > features, I'm > merely saying that security "should" be a part of those > features. That's > just me though... > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:16 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Our premise is that we allow all customers to use MAPI > Outlook. No one wants > to only use OWA or POP3 or IMAP. They want all the > (collaboration) features > of Exchange/Outlook as per Microsoft's promotional materials. > If they only > needed to be able to send/receive mail, they would go with a > simple and less > expensive POP3 provider. > > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:44 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > But as an ASP wouldn't you just charge more for the > services??? Maybe I'm > just being blind, but I would think one would want to provide > a more secure > solution. Of course, added costs go with that solution, but > one would apply > those costs to their clients I would think... > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:44 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I can seee some instances where the support costs related to > helping Windows > 95 users install and configure VPN might make an ASP shudder. > InnerHost is > certainly not the only ASP to provide Exchange access in that manner. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:14 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > I would disagree with that... A VPN solution with a RADIUS server > > would fit your needs quite well... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:13 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > MAPI across the Internet. Please no flames. There is no VPN > that would > > be universal enough for all kinds of customers. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:28 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > How do they connect? VPN, Direct Dial?? > > > > Are these users POPing their email? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange servers > > from all over the world, from a variety of client OSes. > Their machines > > are not members of our domain. They can't possibly use our WINS. > > > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short > name of our > > Exchange server? > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than > doing it a > > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in which they > > must be used. > > > > ---------- > > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > > Sr. Systems Administrator > > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > > Atlanta, GA > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Yeah. I think its called IAS - Internet Authentication Service or something similar. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:18 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Is there a way to use RADIUS in conjunction with Active > Directory? I mean, having to maintain another database is > overhead, plus one would have to teach the customers how to > authenticate against one more database, more overhead. > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:04 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > RADIUS is just another authentication database - specifically > geared towards > remote access. Most ISPs use either it or TACACS if they are > all Cisco. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:41 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Thanks I will take a look at that. Never played with RADIUS before. > > > > -Original Message----- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:14 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > I would disagree with that... A VPN solution with a RADIUS > > server would > > fit your needs quite well... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:13 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > MAPI across the Internet. Please no flames. There is no VPN > > that would be > > universal enough for all kinds of customers. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:28 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > How do they connect? VPN, Direct Dial?? > > > > Are these users POPing their email? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > > servers from all > > over the world, from a variety of client OSes. Their > machines are not > > members of our domain. They can't possibly use our WINS. > > > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short > name of our > > Exchange server? > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than doing it a > > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in which > > they must be > > used. > > > > -- > > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > > Sr. Systems Administrator > > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > > Atlanta, GA > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, w
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
We run our own Exchange infrastructure. I've never considered outsourcing email - it isn't cost effective in any organization that I've been associated with over the last 10+ years. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:57 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Who do you use? > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:38 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Frankly, I consider that piss-poor engineering. I guess > that's part of why > I've never heard of any of those companies for hosting Exchange.. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:17 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Check with Mi8 or Intermedia. They use HOSTS file too (not LMhosts) > > I think Mi8 has a special little VB app that they give to > > their customers - it runs and modifies the HOSTS file to > > include the name and IP address of their back-end Exchange servers. > > > > -----Original Message- > > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:41 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Seeing as Outlook does a wonderful job of using DNS as its > > first line of > > name resolution, I'd suggest a DNS entry. > > > > I'd be willing to wager that other hosting companies don't > > use LMHosts for > > their clients. > > > > -- > > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > > Sr. Systems Administrator > > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > > Atlanta, GA > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > > > > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > > > servers from all over the world, from a variety of client OSes. > > > Their machines are not members of our domain. They can't > > > possibly use our WINS. > > > > > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short > > > name of our Exchange server? > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than > doing it a > > > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in which > > > they must be > > > used. > > > > > > -- > > > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > > > Sr. Systems Administrator > > > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > > > Atlanta, GA > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, works every time... > > > >
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Not at all you socialist bastard. ;) > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:10 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Yeah... That's too bad really... > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:07 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > When your goal is to sell as many seats as possible @ $9.95 > each, you cut corners and customers get what they pay for. > Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:44 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > But as an ASP wouldn't you just charge more for the > services??? Maybe > > I'm just being blind, but I would think one would want to provide a > > more secure solution. Of course, added costs go with that > solution, > > but one would apply those costs to their clients I would think... > > > > -Original Message----- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:44 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > I can seee some instances where the support costs related > to helping > > Windows 95 users install and configure VPN might make an > ASP shudder. > > InnerHost is certainly not the only ASP to provide Exchange > access in > > that manner. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:14 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > I would disagree with that... A VPN solution with a > RADIUS server > > > would fit your needs quite well... > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:13 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > MAPI across the Internet. Please no flames. There is no VPN > > that would > > > be universal enough for all kinds of customers. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:28 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > How do they connect? VPN, Direct Dial?? > > > > > > Are these users POPing their email? > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > > > > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our > Exchange servers > > > from all over the world, from a variety of client OSes. > > Their machines > > > are not members of our domain. They can't possibly use our WINS. > > > > > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short > > name of our > > > Exchange server? > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than > > doing it a > > > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in > which they > > > must be used. > > > > > > -- > > > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > > > Sr. Systems Administrator > > > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > > > Atlanta, GA > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:1
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Been like this for 2 years now. Of course I always look for ways to make it better and safer. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:07 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook When your goal is to sell as many seats as possible @ $9.95 each, you cut corners and customers get what they pay for. Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism. > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:44 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > But as an ASP wouldn't you just charge more for the > services??? Maybe I'm just being blind, but I would think > one would want to provide a more secure solution. Of course, > added costs go with that solution, but one would apply those > costs to their clients I would think... > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:44 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I can seee some instances where the support costs related to > helping Windows 95 users install and configure VPN might make > an ASP shudder. InnerHost is certainly not the only ASP to > provide Exchange access in that manner. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:14 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > I would disagree with that... A VPN solution with a RADIUS server > > would fit your needs quite well... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:13 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > MAPI across the Internet. Please no flames. There is no VPN > that would > > be universal enough for all kinds of customers. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:28 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > How do they connect? VPN, Direct Dial?? > > > > Are these users POPing their email? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange servers > > from all over the world, from a variety of client OSes. > Their machines > > are not members of our domain. They can't possibly use our WINS. > > > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short > name of our > > Exchange server? > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than > doing it a > > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in which they > > must be used. > > > > -- > > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > > Sr. Systems Administrator > > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > > Atlanta, GA > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, works every time... > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:18 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: V
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Perzactly. Anyone interested already knows where your servers are. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:08 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > A port scan of an IP range will tell them more than enough > with or without > DNS entries. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:43 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > I don't want to publish the back-end Exchange servers in DNS > > for all the hackers to see. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:25 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > How are they getting to the Internet then? Publish a host in > > your domain. > > > > -- > > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > > Sr. Systems Administrator > > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > > Atlanta, GA > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:12 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > OK, I agree, but some of them don't even have their own DNS. > > > Then what? - the common denominator that would fit all > > > customers is the HOSTS file. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:52 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > I'd add the domain name to their DNS suffix search order. > > > > > > -- > > > Chris Scharff > > > EMS Sales Engineer > > > MessageOne > > > 512.652.4500 x-244 > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:12 AM > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > > > > > > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > > > > servers from all over the world, from a variety of client > > > > OSes. Their machines are not members of our domain. They > > > > can't possibly use our WINS. > > > > > > > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short > > > > name of our Exchange server? > > > > > > _ > > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > > > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > _ > > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > > > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > _ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
I'm not discounting the fact that they want the collaborative features, I'm merely saying that security "should" be a part of those features. That's just me though... -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:16 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Our premise is that we allow all customers to use MAPI Outlook. No one wants to only use OWA or POP3 or IMAP. They want all the (collaboration) features of Exchange/Outlook as per Microsoft's promotional materials. If they only needed to be able to send/receive mail, they would go with a simple and less expensive POP3 provider. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:44 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook But as an ASP wouldn't you just charge more for the services??? Maybe I'm just being blind, but I would think one would want to provide a more secure solution. Of course, added costs go with that solution, but one would apply those costs to their clients I would think... -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:44 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook I can seee some instances where the support costs related to helping Windows 95 users install and configure VPN might make an ASP shudder. InnerHost is certainly not the only ASP to provide Exchange access in that manner. > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:14 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I would disagree with that... A VPN solution with a RADIUS server > would fit your needs quite well... > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:13 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > MAPI across the Internet. Please no flames. There is no VPN that would > be universal enough for all kinds of customers. > > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:28 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > How do they connect? VPN, Direct Dial?? > > Are these users POPing their email? > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange servers > from all over the world, from a variety of client OSes. Their machines > are not members of our domain. They can't possibly use our WINS. > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short name of our > Exchange server? > > > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than doing it a > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in which they > must be used. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, works every time... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:18 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Is it the LMHOSTS file or the HOSTS file ? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:24 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > >
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Yeah... That's too bad really... -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:07 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook When your goal is to sell as many seats as possible @ $9.95 each, you cut corners and customers get what they pay for. Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism. > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:44 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > But as an ASP wouldn't you just charge more for the > services??? Maybe I'm just being blind, but I would think > one would want to provide a more secure solution. Of course, > added costs go with that solution, but one would apply those > costs to their clients I would think... > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:44 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I can seee some instances where the support costs related to > helping Windows 95 users install and configure VPN might make > an ASP shudder. InnerHost is certainly not the only ASP to > provide Exchange access in that manner. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:14 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > I would disagree with that... A VPN solution with a RADIUS server > > would fit your needs quite well... > > > > -Original Message----- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:13 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > MAPI across the Internet. Please no flames. There is no VPN > that would > > be universal enough for all kinds of customers. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:28 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > How do they connect? VPN, Direct Dial?? > > > > Are these users POPing their email? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange servers > > from all over the world, from a variety of client OSes. > Their machines > > are not members of our domain. They can't possibly use our WINS. > > > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short > name of our > > Exchange server? > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than > doing it a > > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in which they > > must be used. > > > > -- > > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > > Sr. Systems Administrator > > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > > Atlanta, GA > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, works every time... > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:18 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > I
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Is there a way to use RADIUS in conjunction with Active Directory? I mean, having to maintain another database is overhead, plus one would have to teach the customers how to authenticate against one more database, more overhead. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:04 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook RADIUS is just another authentication database - specifically geared towards remote access. Most ISPs use either it or TACACS if they are all Cisco. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:41 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Thanks I will take a look at that. Never played with RADIUS before. > > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:14 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I would disagree with that... A VPN solution with a RADIUS > server would > fit your needs quite well... > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:13 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > MAPI across the Internet. Please no flames. There is no VPN > that would be > universal enough for all kinds of customers. > > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:28 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > How do they connect? VPN, Direct Dial?? > > Are these users POPing their email? > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > servers from all > over the world, from a variety of client OSes. Their machines are not > members of our domain. They can't possibly use our WINS. > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short name of our > Exchange server? > > > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than doing it a > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in which > they must be > used. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, works every time... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:18 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Is it the LMHOSTS file or the HOSTS file ? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:24 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > yes you should use the lmhost file on the client pc to map to your > > exchange server thats what we use here at my office and it > works good. > > If you need > > more help dont hesitate to email me. > > > > rich > > > > -Original Message- > > From: JPC [mailto:jpciocon@;hotmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:10 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Hi, folks: >
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Our premise is that we allow all customers to use MAPI Outlook. No one wants to only use OWA or POP3 or IMAP. They want all the (collaboration) features of Exchange/Outlook as per Microsoft's promotional materials. If they only needed to be able to send/receive mail, they would go with a simple and less expensive POP3 provider. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:44 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook But as an ASP wouldn't you just charge more for the services??? Maybe I'm just being blind, but I would think one would want to provide a more secure solution. Of course, added costs go with that solution, but one would apply those costs to their clients I would think... -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:44 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook I can seee some instances where the support costs related to helping Windows 95 users install and configure VPN might make an ASP shudder. InnerHost is certainly not the only ASP to provide Exchange access in that manner. > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:14 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I would disagree with that... A VPN solution with a RADIUS > server would fit your needs quite well... > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:13 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > MAPI across the Internet. Please no flames. There is no VPN > that would be universal enough for all kinds of customers. > > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:28 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > How do they connect? VPN, Direct Dial?? > > Are these users POPing their email? > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > servers from all over the world, from a variety of client > OSes. Their machines are not members of our domain. They > can't possibly use our WINS. > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short > name of our Exchange server? > > > > -----Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than > doing it a different way, but that doesn't mean there are > times in which they must be used. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, works every time... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:18 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Is it the LMHOSTS file or the HOSTS file ? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:24 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > yes you should use the lmhost file on the client pc to map to your > > exchange server thats what we use here at my office and it > works good. > > If you need > > more help dont hesitate to email me. > > > > rich > > > > -Original Message- > > From: JPC [mailto:jpciocon@;hotmail.com] > &g
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Whether or not you publish the info is a moot point. All someone has to do is know your IP Block... -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook I understand. I'd rather not publish the info. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook So what? You still own your domain. For instance, set up a DNS record pointing to the Exchange box as mail.company.innerhost.com and point their clients to it. That should do the trick quite nicely, IIRC. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:42 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > They have their own ISPs. > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:25 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > How are they getting to the Internet then? Publish a host in > your domain. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:12 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > OK, I agree, but some of them don't even have their own DNS. > > Then what? - the common denominator that would fit all > > customers is the HOSTS file. > > > > -Original Message----- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:52 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > I'd add the domain name to their DNS suffix search order. > > > > -- > > Chris Scharff > > EMS Sales Engineer > > MessageOne > > 512.652.4500 x-244 > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:12 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > > > > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > > > servers from all over the world, from a variety of client > > > OSes. Their machines are not members of our domain. They > > > can't possibly use our WINS. > > > > > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short > > > name of our Exchange server? > > > > _ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:l
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
A port scan of an IP range will tell them more than enough with or without DNS entries. > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:43 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I don't want to publish the back-end Exchange servers in DNS > for all the hackers to see. > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:25 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > How are they getting to the Internet then? Publish a host in > your domain. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:12 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > OK, I agree, but some of them don't even have their own DNS. > > Then what? - the common denominator that would fit all > > customers is the HOSTS file. > > > > -Original Message----- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:52 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > I'd add the domain name to their DNS suffix search order. > > > > -- > > Chris Scharff > > EMS Sales Engineer > > MessageOne > > 512.652.4500 x-244 > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:12 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > > > > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > > > servers from all over the world, from a variety of client > > > OSes. Their machines are not members of our domain. They > > > can't possibly use our WINS. > > > > > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short > > > name of our Exchange server? > > > > _ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
When your goal is to sell as many seats as possible @ $9.95 each, you cut corners and customers get what they pay for. Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism. > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:44 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > But as an ASP wouldn't you just charge more for the > services??? Maybe I'm just being blind, but I would think > one would want to provide a more secure solution. Of course, > added costs go with that solution, but one would apply those > costs to their clients I would think... > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:44 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I can seee some instances where the support costs related to > helping Windows 95 users install and configure VPN might make > an ASP shudder. InnerHost is certainly not the only ASP to > provide Exchange access in that manner. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:14 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > I would disagree with that... A VPN solution with a RADIUS server > > would fit your needs quite well... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:13 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > MAPI across the Internet. Please no flames. There is no VPN > that would > > be universal enough for all kinds of customers. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:28 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > How do they connect? VPN, Direct Dial?? > > > > Are these users POPing their email? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange servers > > from all over the world, from a variety of client OSes. > Their machines > > are not members of our domain. They can't possibly use our WINS. > > > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short > name of our > > Exchange server? > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than > doing it a > > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in which they > > must be used. > > > > -- > > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > > Sr. Systems Administrator > > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > > Atlanta, GA > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, works every time... > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:18 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > Is it the LMHOSTS file or the HOSTS file ? > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:24 A
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
I'd say your tradeoff for security vs managability was a poor choice. With a healthy focus on patching, proper firewall rules, and good intrusion detection, that's a risk that you should be willing to take. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:43 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I don't want to publish the back-end Exchange servers in DNS > for all the hackers to see. > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:25 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > How are they getting to the Internet then? Publish a host in > your domain. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:12 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > OK, I agree, but some of them don't even have their own DNS. > > Then what? - the common denominator that would fit all > > customers is the HOSTS file. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:52 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > I'd add the domain name to their DNS suffix search order. > > > > -- > > Chris Scharff > > EMS Sales Engineer > > MessageOne > > 512.652.4500 x-244 > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:12 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > > > > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > > > servers from all over the world, from a variety of client > > > OSes. Their machines are not members of our domain. They > > > can't possibly use our WINS. > > > > > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short > > > name of our Exchange server? > > > > _ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
RADIUS is just another authentication database - specifically geared towards remote access. Most ISPs use either it or TACACS if they are all Cisco. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:41 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Thanks I will take a look at that. Never played with RADIUS before. > > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:14 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I would disagree with that... A VPN solution with a RADIUS > server would > fit your needs quite well... > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:13 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > MAPI across the Internet. Please no flames. There is no VPN > that would be > universal enough for all kinds of customers. > > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:28 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > How do they connect? VPN, Direct Dial?? > > Are these users POPing their email? > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > servers from all > over the world, from a variety of client OSes. Their machines are not > members of our domain. They can't possibly use our WINS. > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short name of our > Exchange server? > > > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than doing it a > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in which > they must be > used. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, works every time... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:18 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Is it the LMHOSTS file or the HOSTS file ? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:24 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > yes you should use the lmhost file on the client pc to map to your > > exchange server thats what we use here at my office and it > works good. > > If you need > > more help dont hesitate to email me. > > > > rich > > > > -Original Message- > > From: JPC [mailto:jpciocon@;hotmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:10 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Hi, folks: > > > > Mixed mode, currently migrating users from 5.5 to E2k. > > Remote users have > > Outlook 2002 on W2k Professional laptops and Alcatel PERMIT/Client. > > > > These users connect via dial-up, they can access their mailboxes and > > send/receive no problem. When they use LinkSys router and > DSL, they > > can access our network, the internet and other netwo
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
That's not what I'm trying to convey at all... I/We are trying to show you that there are more scalable solutions out there to meet you and your clients needs -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook All right, if you say so. You are smarter than me. Congrats. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:02 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Either one seems illogical... That's what DNS servers are for... -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:william@;techsanctuary.org] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:02 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook I thought Andrey was suggesting HOSTS not LMHosts. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bounce-exchange-104116@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Roger Seielstad Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 7:41 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Seeing as Outlook does a wonderful job of using DNS as its first line of name resolution, I'd suggest a DNS entry. I'd be willing to wager that other hosting companies don't use LMHosts for their clients. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange servers > from all over the world, from a variety of client OSes. Their machines > are not members of our domain. They can't possibly use our WINS. > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short name of our > Exchange server? > > > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than doing it a > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in which they > must be used. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
I understand. I'd rather not publish the info. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook So what? You still own your domain. For instance, set up a DNS record pointing to the Exchange box as mail.company.innerhost.com and point their clients to it. That should do the trick quite nicely, IIRC. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:42 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > They have their own ISPs. > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:25 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > How are they getting to the Internet then? Publish a host in > your domain. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:12 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > OK, I agree, but some of them don't even have their own DNS. > > Then what? - the common denominator that would fit all > > customers is the HOSTS file. > > > > -Original Message----- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:52 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > I'd add the domain name to their DNS suffix search order. > > > > -- > > Chris Scharff > > EMS Sales Engineer > > MessageOne > > 512.652.4500 x-244 > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:12 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > > > > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > > > servers from all over the world, from a variety of client > > > OSes. Their machines are not members of our domain. They > > > can't possibly use our WINS. > > > > > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short > > > name of our Exchange server? > > > > _ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Who do you use? -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Frankly, I consider that piss-poor engineering. I guess that's part of why I've never heard of any of those companies for hosting Exchange.. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:17 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Check with Mi8 or Intermedia. They use HOSTS file too (not LMhosts) > I think Mi8 has a special little VB app that they give to > their customers - it runs and modifies the HOSTS file to > include the name and IP address of their back-end Exchange servers. > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:41 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Seeing as Outlook does a wonderful job of using DNS as its > first line of > name resolution, I'd suggest a DNS entry. > > I'd be willing to wager that other hosting companies don't > use LMHosts for > their clients. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > > servers from all over the world, from a variety of client OSes. > > Their machines are not members of our domain. They can't > > possibly use our WINS. > > > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short > > name of our Exchange server? > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than doing it a > > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in which > > they must be > > used. > > > > ---------- > > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > > Sr. Systems Administrator > > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > > Atlanta, GA > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, works every time... > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:18 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > Is it the LMHOSTS file or the HOSTS file ? > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:24 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > yes you should use the lmhost file on the client pc to map to > > > your exchange > > > server thats what we use here at my office and it works good. > > > If you need > > > more help dont hesitate to email me. > > > > > > rich > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: JPC [mailto:jpciocon@;hotmail.com] > > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:10 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
I am the one that has to deal with 10-20% and listen to their b!tching. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:44 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook I believe he meant that they couldn't implement a VPN server that could service all their clients because of the multitude of end systems. I'd partially agree with that - they could drop a number of major vendor VPN appliances down and hit probably 80-90%, but the last 10-20% could get expensive. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:14 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I would disagree with that... A VPN solution with a RADIUS > server would > fit your needs quite well... > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:13 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > MAPI across the Internet. Please no flames. There is no VPN > that would be > universal enough for all kinds of customers. > > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:28 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > How do they connect? VPN, Direct Dial?? > > Are these users POPing their email? > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > servers from all > over the world, from a variety of client OSes. Their machines are not > members of our domain. They can't possibly use our WINS. > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short name of our > Exchange server? > > > > -----Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than doing it a > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in which > they must be > used. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, works every time... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:18 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Is it the LMHOSTS file or the HOSTS file ? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:24 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > yes you should use the lmhost file on the client pc to map to your > > exchange server thats what we use here at my office and it > works good. > > If you need > > more help dont hesitate to email me. > > > > rich > > > > -Original Message- > > From: JPC [mailto:jpciocon@;hotmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:10 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Hi, folks: > > > > Mixed mode, currently migrating users from 5.5 to E2k. > > Remote users have > > Outlook 2002 on W2k Professional laptops and Alcatel PERMIT/Client. > > > > These users connect via dial-up, they can access their mailboxes and > > send/receive no proble
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
I agree, I guess I did not think long enough before I fired off that reply. Still, I think I prefer not publishing the back-end Exchange servers in DNS. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Users don't need to have their own DNS, they simply have to add this setting to the TCP/IP stack DNS settings on the client. It offers a number of advantages over a host or lmhost file including the ability to move users between servers or re-IP machines without having to modify any files on the users machines. > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > OK, I agree, but some of them don't even have their own DNS. > Then what? - the common denominator that would fit all > customers is the HOSTS file. > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:52 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I'd add the domain name to their DNS suffix search order. > > -- > Chris Scharff > EMS Sales Engineer > MessageOne > 512.652.4500 x-244 > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:12 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > > servers from all over the world, from a variety of client > > OSes. Their machines are not members of our domain. They > > can't possibly use our WINS. > > > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short > > name of our Exchange server? > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Hmmm... I was basing my theory on him using MAPI to connect and there aren't any non-Windows MAPI apps that I'm aware of... -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:44 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook I believe he meant that they couldn't implement a VPN server that could service all their clients because of the multitude of end systems. I'd partially agree with that - they could drop a number of major vendor VPN appliances down and hit probably 80-90%, but the last 10-20% could get expensive. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:14 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I would disagree with that... A VPN solution with a RADIUS > server would > fit your needs quite well... > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:13 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > MAPI across the Internet. Please no flames. There is no VPN > that would be > universal enough for all kinds of customers. > > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:28 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > How do they connect? VPN, Direct Dial?? > > Are these users POPing their email? > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > servers from all > over the world, from a variety of client OSes. Their machines are not > members of our domain. They can't possibly use our WINS. > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short name of our > Exchange server? > > > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than doing it a > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in which they > must be used. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, works every time... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:18 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Is it the LMHOSTS file or the HOSTS file ? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:24 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > yes you should use the lmhost file on the client pc to map to your > > exchange server thats what we use here at my office and it > works good. > > If you need > > more help dont hesitate to email me. > > > > rich > > > > -Original Message- > > From: JPC [mailto:jpciocon@;hotmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:10 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Hi, folks: > > > > Mixed mode, currently migrating users from 5.5 to E2k. Remote users > > have Outlook 2002 on W2k Professional laptops and Alcatel > > PERMIT/Client. > > > > These users connect via dial-up, they can
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
But as an ASP wouldn't you just charge more for the services??? Maybe I'm just being blind, but I would think one would want to provide a more secure solution. Of course, added costs go with that solution, but one would apply those costs to their clients I would think... -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:44 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook I can seee some instances where the support costs related to helping Windows 95 users install and configure VPN might make an ASP shudder. InnerHost is certainly not the only ASP to provide Exchange access in that manner. > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:14 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I would disagree with that... A VPN solution with a RADIUS > server would fit your needs quite well... > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:13 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > MAPI across the Internet. Please no flames. There is no VPN > that would be universal enough for all kinds of customers. > > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:28 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > How do they connect? VPN, Direct Dial?? > > Are these users POPing their email? > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > servers from all over the world, from a variety of client > OSes. Their machines are not members of our domain. They > can't possibly use our WINS. > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short > name of our Exchange server? > > > > -----Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than > doing it a different way, but that doesn't mean there are > times in which they must be used. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, works every time... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:18 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Is it the LMHOSTS file or the HOSTS file ? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:24 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > yes you should use the lmhost file on the client pc to map to your > > exchange server thats what we use here at my office and it > works good. > > If you need > > more help dont hesitate to email me. > > > > rich > > > > -Original Message- > > From: JPC [mailto:jpciocon@;hotmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:10 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Hi, folks: > > > > Mixed mode, currently migrating users from 5.5 to E2k. Remote users > > have Outlook 2002 on W2k Professional laptops and Alcatel > > PERMIT/Client. > > > > These users connect via dial-up, they can access their > mailboxes and > > send/receive no problem
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
So what? You still own your domain. For instance, set up a DNS record pointing to the Exchange box as mail.company.innerhost.com and point their clients to it. That should do the trick quite nicely, IIRC. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:42 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > They have their own ISPs. > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:25 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > How are they getting to the Internet then? Publish a host in > your domain. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:12 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > OK, I agree, but some of them don't even have their own DNS. > > Then what? - the common denominator that would fit all > > customers is the HOSTS file. > > > > -Original Message----- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:52 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > I'd add the domain name to their DNS suffix search order. > > > > -- > > Chris Scharff > > EMS Sales Engineer > > MessageOne > > 512.652.4500 x-244 > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:12 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > > > > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > > > servers from all over the world, from a variety of client > > > OSes. Their machines are not members of our domain. They > > > can't possibly use our WINS. > > > > > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short > > > name of our Exchange server? > > > > _ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I was providing lots of newsgroup support when Mi8 first went into business. In general, the folks from Mi8 seem relatively nice, but I wouldn't look to them necessarily for cutting edge Client configuration knowledge. I'm sure they are probably much better at it now than they were then but still... Can you use a HOSTS file to achieve the desired objective? Certainly. Is it the best solution to the problem? Not necessarily. > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:17 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Check with Mi8 or Intermedia. They use HOSTS file too (not > LMhosts) I think Mi8 has a special little VB app that they > give to their customers - it runs and modifies the HOSTS file > to include the name and IP address of their back-end Exchange servers. > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:41 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Seeing as Outlook does a wonderful job of using DNS as its > first line of name resolution, I'd suggest a DNS entry. > > I'd be willing to wager that other hosting companies don't > use LMHosts for their clients. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > > servers from all over the world, from a variety of client OSes. > > Their machines are not members of our domain. They can't > > possibly use our WINS. > > > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short > > name of our Exchange server? > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than > doing it a > > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in which they > > must be used. > > > > ------ > > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > > Sr. Systems Administrator > > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > > Atlanta, GA > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, works every time... > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:18 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > Is it the LMHOSTS file or the HOSTS file ? > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:24 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > yes you should use the lmhost file on the client pc to map to > > > your exchange > > > server thats what we use here at my office and it works good. > > > If you need > > > more help dont hesitate to email me. > > > > > > rich > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: JPC [mailto:jpciocon@;hotmail.com] > > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:10 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > Hi, fo
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
I believe he meant that they couldn't implement a VPN server that could service all their clients because of the multitude of end systems. I'd partially agree with that - they could drop a number of major vendor VPN appliances down and hit probably 80-90%, but the last 10-20% could get expensive. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:14 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I would disagree with that... A VPN solution with a RADIUS > server would > fit your needs quite well... > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:13 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > MAPI across the Internet. Please no flames. There is no VPN > that would be > universal enough for all kinds of customers. > > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:28 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > How do they connect? VPN, Direct Dial?? > > Are these users POPing their email? > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > servers from all > over the world, from a variety of client OSes. Their machines are not > members of our domain. They can't possibly use our WINS. > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short name of our > Exchange server? > > > > -----Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than doing it a > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in which > they must be > used. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, works every time... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:18 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Is it the LMHOSTS file or the HOSTS file ? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:24 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > yes you should use the lmhost file on the client pc to map to your > > exchange server thats what we use here at my office and it > works good. > > If you need > > more help dont hesitate to email me. > > > > rich > > > > -Original Message- > > From: JPC [mailto:jpciocon@;hotmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:10 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Hi, folks: > > > > Mixed mode, currently migrating users from 5.5 to E2k. > > Remote users have > > Outlook 2002 on W2k Professional laptops and Alcatel PERMIT/Client. > > > > These users connect via dial-up, they can access their mailboxes and > > send/receive no problem. When they use LinkSys router and > DSL, they > > can access our network, the internet and other network resources > > EXCEPT for > > their mailboxes on the E2k server. Synchronization failure > > messages are > > rela
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
I don't want to publish the back-end Exchange servers in DNS for all the hackers to see. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook How are they getting to the Internet then? Publish a host in your domain. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:12 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > OK, I agree, but some of them don't even have their own DNS. > Then what? - the common denominator that would fit all > customers is the HOSTS file. > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:52 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I'd add the domain name to their DNS suffix search order. > > -- > Chris Scharff > EMS Sales Engineer > MessageOne > 512.652.4500 x-244 > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:12 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > > servers from all over the world, from a variety of client > > OSes. Their machines are not members of our domain. They > > can't possibly use our WINS. > > > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short > > name of our Exchange server? > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Thanks I will take a look at that. Never played with RADIUS before. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook I would disagree with that... A VPN solution with a RADIUS server would fit your needs quite well... -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:13 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook MAPI across the Internet. Please no flames. There is no VPN that would be universal enough for all kinds of customers. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:28 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook How do they connect? VPN, Direct Dial?? Are these users POPing their email? -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Would you like me to give you an example? we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange servers from all over the world, from a variety of client OSes. Their machines are not members of our domain. They can't possibly use our WINS. What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short name of our Exchange server? -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than doing it a different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in which they must be used. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, works every time... > > -Original Message- > From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:18 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Is it the LMHOSTS file or the HOSTS file ? > > -Original Message- > From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:24 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > yes you should use the lmhost file on the client pc to map to your > exchange server thats what we use here at my office and it works good. > If you need > more help dont hesitate to email me. > > rich > > -Original Message- > From: JPC [mailto:jpciocon@;hotmail.com] > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:10 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Hi, folks: > > Mixed mode, currently migrating users from 5.5 to E2k. > Remote users have > Outlook 2002 on W2k Professional laptops and Alcatel PERMIT/Client. > > These users connect via dial-up, they can access their mailboxes and > send/receive no problem. When they use LinkSys router and DSL, they > can access our network, the internet and other network resources > EXCEPT for > their mailboxes on the E2k server. Synchronization failure > messages are > related to "network problems preventing access to the > Exchange server" or > the RPC message box "retrieving data from Exchange server". These > eventually fail and nothing is exchanged between the client > and their server > mailbox. > > Has anyone seen this? If so, what tips would you suggest? > > Thanks very much. > -Juancho > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > __
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Users don't need to have their own DNS, they simply have to add this setting to the TCP/IP stack DNS settings on the client. It offers a number of advantages over a host or lmhost file including the ability to move users between servers or re-IP machines without having to modify any files on the users machines. > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > OK, I agree, but some of them don't even have their own DNS. > Then what? - the common denominator that would fit all > customers is the HOSTS file. > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:52 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I'd add the domain name to their DNS suffix search order. > > -- > Chris Scharff > EMS Sales Engineer > MessageOne > 512.652.4500 x-244 > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:12 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > > servers from all over the world, from a variety of client > > OSes. Their machines are not members of our domain. They > > can't possibly use our WINS. > > > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short > > name of our Exchange server? > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
I am not their ISP. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook They don't have to have their own DNS, if you're the service provider, provide them DNS... -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:12 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook OK, I agree, but some of them don't even have their own DNS. Then what? - the common denominator that would fit all customers is the HOSTS file. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:52 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook I'd add the domain name to their DNS suffix search order. -- Chris Scharff EMS Sales Engineer MessageOne 512.652.4500 x-244 > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:12 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > servers from all over the world, from a variety of client > OSes. Their machines are not members of our domain. They > can't possibly use our WINS. > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short > name of our Exchange server? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
Frankly, I consider that piss-poor engineering. I guess that's part of why I've never heard of any of those companies for hosting Exchange.. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:17 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Check with Mi8 or Intermedia. They use HOSTS file too (not LMhosts) > I think Mi8 has a special little VB app that they give to > their customers - it runs and modifies the HOSTS file to > include the name and IP address of their back-end Exchange servers. > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:41 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Seeing as Outlook does a wonderful job of using DNS as its > first line of > name resolution, I'd suggest a DNS entry. > > I'd be willing to wager that other hosting companies don't > use LMHosts for > their clients. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > > servers from all over the world, from a variety of client OSes. > > Their machines are not members of our domain. They can't > > possibly use our WINS. > > > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short > > name of our Exchange server? > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than doing it a > > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in which > > they must be > > used. > > > > ---------- > > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > > Sr. Systems Administrator > > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > > Atlanta, GA > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, works every time... > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:18 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > Is it the LMHOSTS file or the HOSTS file ? > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:24 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > yes you should use the lmhost file on the client pc to map to > > > your exchange > > > server thats what we use here at my office and it works good. > > > If you need > > > more help dont hesitate to email me. > > > > > > rich > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: JPC [mailto:jpciocon@;hotmail.com] > > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:10 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > Hi, folks: > > > > > > Mixed mode, currently migrating users from 5
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
I can seee some instances where the support costs related to helping Windows 95 users install and configure VPN might make an ASP shudder. InnerHost is certainly not the only ASP to provide Exchange access in that manner. > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:14 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I would disagree with that... A VPN solution with a RADIUS > server would fit your needs quite well... > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:13 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > MAPI across the Internet. Please no flames. There is no VPN > that would be universal enough for all kinds of customers. > > -Original Message- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:28 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > How do they connect? VPN, Direct Dial?? > > Are these users POPing their email? > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > servers from all over the world, from a variety of client > OSes. Their machines are not members of our domain. They > can't possibly use our WINS. > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short > name of our Exchange server? > > > > -Original Message----- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than > doing it a different way, but that doesn't mean there are > times in which they must be used. > > -- > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity > Atlanta, GA > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, works every time... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:18 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Is it the LMHOSTS file or the HOSTS file ? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:24 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > yes you should use the lmhost file on the client pc to map to your > > exchange server thats what we use here at my office and it > works good. > > If you need > > more help dont hesitate to email me. > > > > rich > > > > -Original Message- > > From: JPC [mailto:jpciocon@;hotmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:10 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Hi, folks: > > > > Mixed mode, currently migrating users from 5.5 to E2k. > > Remote users have > > Outlook 2002 on W2k Professional laptops and Alcatel PERMIT/Client. > > > > These users connect via dial-up, they can access their > mailboxes and > > send/receive no problem. When they use LinkSys router and > DSL, they > > can access our network, the internet and other network resources > > EXCEPT for their mailboxes on the E2k server. > Synchronization failure > > messages are > > related to "network problems preventing access to the > > Exchange server" or > > the RPC message box "retrieving data from Exchange server". These > > eventually fail and nothing is exchanged between the client
RE: VPN breaks Outlook
They have their own ISPs. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook How are they getting to the Internet then? Publish a host in your domain. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:12 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > OK, I agree, but some of them don't even have their own DNS. > Then what? - the common denominator that would fit all > customers is the HOSTS file. > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:52 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I'd add the domain name to their DNS suffix search order. > > -- > Chris Scharff > EMS Sales Engineer > MessageOne > 512.652.4500 x-244 > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:12 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our Exchange > > servers from all over the world, from a variety of client > > OSes. Their machines are not members of our domain. They > > can't possibly use our WINS. > > > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short > > name of our Exchange server? > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
