RE: BES Question

2009-01-22 Thread Sobey, Richard A
And don't forget you can hide the icon on the device, but it's not through 
policy and any savvy user can get it back again. Just use the Blackberry button 
(not sure what else to call it!) on the icon, you'll get a popup menu allowing 
you to select Hide.

-Original Message-
From: bounce-8391754-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com 
[mailto:bounce-8391754-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Don 
Andrews
Sent: 21 January 2009 19:11
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: BES Question

I'd consider sending users who don't like the default browser setting
instructions on how to change it.  

-Original Message-
From: Troy Meyer [mailto:troy.me...@monacocoach.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:17 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: BES Question

Jeff,

Thanks for the response.  Is there a way to hide the BB browser icon?
Then perhaps I could enable both icons, hide the BB browser icon and
then set which domains require the BB browser (our internal one only).
Would the internet browser then open the hidden BB browser when going to
an internal domain?

This is the directors pet peeve, hence the effort :(

-troy

-Original Message-
From: May, Jeff [mailto:j...@bbandt.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 9:35 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: BES Question

You can change the MDS Browser use Separate Icon policy to TRUE to leave
both browsers as an option, they can then use the IBS as needed and
access the regular browser for other applications.

-Original Message-
From: Troy Meyer [mailto:troy.me...@monacocoach.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:30 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: BES Question

BES 4.1.6 on Exchange 2007sp1 ~35 users.

We would like to create an IT policy that sets the default browser on
the phones to be the IBS or Internet browser rather than the BB browser
so that folks are using the EVDO network for internet browsing rather
than our local network connection.

We would like the BB browser to remain available so people can switch to
it and run reports on our local intranet site (only 2-3 folks actually
do this)

Blackberry support and forum surfing seem to say we can only disable the
BB browser, we cant have it active and not be the default browser
through policy.  The policy choices are not very specific as to what
they do, and its hard for me to test little changes because I don't have
a BB (of course).

Has anyone set this up or have any insight on the IT policies for BES?

-Troy

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Changing subject logging length in exchange 2007

2009-01-22 Thread Oliver Marshall
Hi chaps

Anyone know how i can change the amount of time that subject logging log files 
are kept for in Exchange 2007? That is, the log files that are searchable using 
the message tracking feature of exchange 2007.

Thanks

Olly

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RE: Changing subject logging length in exchange 2007

2009-01-22 Thread Oliver Marshall
Is there a GUI version?

-Original Message-
From: Kretche, Peter [mailto:kretc...@uwgb.edu] 
Sent: 22 January 2009 14:31
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Changing subject logging length in exchange 2007

Set-TransportServer -MessageTrackingLogMaxAge

-
Thank you,
Pete Kretche
MCP, A+, HP APS
Senior Network/Systems Administrator
E-mail Administrator
UW - Green Bay
Voice: 920.465.5014
Fax: 920.465.2864
kretc...@uwgb.edu 

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-Original Message-
From: Oliver Marshall [mailto:oliver.marsh...@g2support.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:27 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Changing subject logging length in exchange 2007

Hi chaps

Anyone know how i can change the amount of time that subject logging log files 
are kept for in Exchange 2007? That is, the log files that are searchable using 
the message tracking feature of exchange 2007.

Thanks

Olly

--
G2 Support
Online Backups 

Email:  oliver.marsh...@g2support.com
Web:    http://www.g2support.com





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RE: Changing subject logging length in exchange 2007

2009-01-22 Thread Kretche, Peter
Nothing in the GUI other than changing the path of the log files.  Check out 
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa997984.aspx for more information 
on Message Tracking logs in Exchange 2007.

-
Thank you,
Pete Kretche
MCP, A+, HP APS
Senior Network/Systems Administrator
E-mail Administrator
UW - Green Bay
Voice: 920.465.5014
Fax: 920.465.2864
kretc...@uwgb.edu 

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-Original Message-
From: Oliver Marshall [mailto:oliver.marsh...@g2support.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:35 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Changing subject logging length in exchange 2007

Is there a GUI version?

-Original Message-
From: Kretche, Peter [mailto:kretc...@uwgb.edu] 
Sent: 22 January 2009 14:31
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Changing subject logging length in exchange 2007

Set-TransportServer -MessageTrackingLogMaxAge

-
Thank you,
Pete Kretche
MCP, A+, HP APS
Senior Network/Systems Administrator
E-mail Administrator
UW - Green Bay
Voice: 920.465.5014
Fax: 920.465.2864
kretc...@uwgb.edu 

Be green, keep it on the screen!  Please don't print this email unless it is 
absolutely critical.


-Original Message-
From: Oliver Marshall [mailto:oliver.marsh...@g2support.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:27 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Changing subject logging length in exchange 2007

Hi chaps

Anyone know how i can change the amount of time that subject logging log files 
are kept for in Exchange 2007? That is, the log files that are searchable using 
the message tracking feature of exchange 2007.

Thanks

Olly

--
G2 Support
Online Backups 

Email:  oliver.marsh...@g2support.com
Web:    http://www.g2support.com





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RE: Changing subject logging length in exchange 2007

2009-01-22 Thread Kretche, Peter
Set-TransportServer -MessageTrackingLogMaxAge

-
Thank you,
Pete Kretche
MCP, A+, HP APS
Senior Network/Systems Administrator
E-mail Administrator
UW - Green Bay
Voice: 920.465.5014
Fax: 920.465.2864
kretc...@uwgb.edu 

Be green, keep it on the screen!  Please don't print this email unless it is 
absolutely critical.


-Original Message-
From: Oliver Marshall [mailto:oliver.marsh...@g2support.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:27 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Changing subject logging length in exchange 2007

Hi chaps

Anyone know how i can change the amount of time that subject logging log files 
are kept for in Exchange 2007? That is, the log files that are searchable using 
the message tracking feature of exchange 2007.

Thanks

Olly

--
G2 Support
Online Backups 

Email:  oliver.marsh...@g2support.com
Web:    http://www.g2support.com





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RE: Changing subject logging length in exchange 2007

2009-01-22 Thread Michael B. Smith
Not to my knowledge.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP
My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael
I'll be at TEC'2009! http://www.tec2009.com/vegas/index.php


-Original Message-
From: Oliver Marshall [mailto:oliver.marsh...@g2support.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:35 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Changing subject logging length in exchange 2007

Is there a GUI version?

-Original Message-
From: Kretche, Peter [mailto:kretc...@uwgb.edu] 
Sent: 22 January 2009 14:31
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Changing subject logging length in exchange 2007

Set-TransportServer -MessageTrackingLogMaxAge

-
Thank you,
Pete Kretche
MCP, A+, HP APS
Senior Network/Systems Administrator
E-mail Administrator
UW - Green Bay
Voice: 920.465.5014
Fax: 920.465.2864
kretc...@uwgb.edu 

Be green, keep it on the screen!  Please don't print this email unless it is
absolutely critical.


-Original Message-
From: Oliver Marshall [mailto:oliver.marsh...@g2support.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:27 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Changing subject logging length in exchange 2007

Hi chaps

Anyone know how i can change the amount of time that subject logging log
files are kept for in Exchange 2007? That is, the log files that are
searchable using the message tracking feature of exchange 2007.

Thanks

Olly

--
G2 Support
Online Backups 

Email:  oliver.marsh...@g2support.com
Web:    http://www.g2support.com





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[OT] Thursday Funny

2009-01-22 Thread Michael B. Smith
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb2GmBkkaTU

 


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Return address

2009-01-22 Thread Jim Dandy
I use Messaging Ninja for spam filtering.  Ninja can only filter spam
that is sent to a mailbox.  Mail that is sent to a distribution list is
not filtered.  Spammers have discovered my distribution list address and
now are spamming my whole department.  Some of the people on the
distribution list have exchange mailboxes and some have external
addresses.  In order to filter mail sent to the distribution list
address I did the following.

1) Renamed the distribution list (and it's address) from All to AllD.
2) Created a mailbox with name and address All
3) Set the mailbox to forward all mail to AllD
4) set HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Sunbelt
Software\MessagingNinja\scanForwardedADContacts to 1

Ok, that works fine in that mail is distributed as it should be when it
is sent to All and I'm guessing it is being filtered.  (I haven't
tried sending any spam to it to test the spam filtering part of it.)
However, when the message arrives in an inbox the message says it was
sent to AllD which is the distribution list.  I want it to appear that
the message was sent to All not AllD.  Is there way to get the message
To line to show All instead of AllD?  Note: I'm not just talking about
the display name - I want the actual address to be All.  I don't want
people or spammers to know the address of the AllD distribution list.

Thanks for any help you can provide.

Curt

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Re: [OT] Thursday Funny

2009-01-22 Thread Jonathan Link
Funny, but wrong.  So, so wrong.

2009/1/22 Michael B. Smith mich...@theessentialexchange.com

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb2GmBkkaTU






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RE: Return address

2009-01-22 Thread Troy Meyer
You allow your department distribution lists to receive mail from external 
senders? 

Seems like the easiest way around this one is to create a group and only allow 
that people in that group to send to your distro list.


-troy

-Original Message-
From: Jim Dandy [mailto:jda...@asmail.ucdavis.edu] 
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:52 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Return address

I use Messaging Ninja for spam filtering.  Ninja can only filter spam
that is sent to a mailbox.  Mail that is sent to a distribution list is
not filtered.  Spammers have discovered my distribution list address and
now are spamming my whole department.  Some of the people on the
distribution list have exchange mailboxes and some have external
addresses.  In order to filter mail sent to the distribution list
address I did the following.

1) Renamed the distribution list (and it's address) from All to AllD.
2) Created a mailbox with name and address All
3) Set the mailbox to forward all mail to AllD
4) set HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Sunbelt
Software\MessagingNinja\scanForwardedADContacts to 1

Ok, that works fine in that mail is distributed as it should be when it
is sent to All and I'm guessing it is being filtered.  (I haven't
tried sending any spam to it to test the spam filtering part of it.)
However, when the message arrives in an inbox the message says it was
sent to AllD which is the distribution list.  I want it to appear that
the message was sent to All not AllD.  Is there way to get the message
To line to show All instead of AllD?  Note: I'm not just talking about
the display name - I want the actual address to be All.  I don't want
people or spammers to know the address of the AllD distribution list.

Thanks for any help you can provide.

Curt

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Re: [OT] Thursday Funny

2009-01-22 Thread Steve Ens
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv5iEK-IEzwfeature=related

This is good too...

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote:

 Funny, but wrong.  So, so wrong.

 2009/1/22 Michael B. Smith mich...@theessentialexchange.com

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb2GmBkkaTU









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re: [OT] Thursday Funny

2009-01-22 Thread will...@lefkovics.net
Really, almost as good as the original.

Not so funny Thursday tidbit:
Microsoft to cut up to 5,000 jobs
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28791669/



From: Michael B. Smith mich...@theessentialexchange.com
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:06 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: [OT] Thursday Funny 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb2GmBkkaTU
 

 
 

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RE: [OT] Thursday Funny

2009-01-22 Thread Michael B. Smith
I don't quite get their gloom and doom though. From that article:

 

The company says profit slipped to $4.17 billion, or 47 cents per share,
from year-ago earnings of $4.71 billion, or 50 cents per share.

It says total revenue edged up 2 percent to $16.63 billion, as software for
corporate computer servers helped offset an 8 percent drop in revenue for PC
software.

The results missed Wall Street's forecast for earnings of 49 cents per share
on sales of $17.08 billion.

 

They are complaining about a profit of 4 BILLION DOLLARS. OMG.

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP

My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael

I'll be at TEC'2009! http://www.tec2009.com/vegas/index.php

 

From: will...@lefkovics.net [mailto:will...@lefkovics.net] 
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:31 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: re: [OT] Thursday Funny

 

Really, almost as good as the original.

Not so funny Thursday tidbit:
Microsoft to cut up to 5,000 jobs
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28791669/

  _  

From: Michael B. Smith mich...@theessentialexchange.com
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:06 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: [OT] Thursday Funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb2GmBkkaTU

 

 

 

 

 


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RE: [OT] Thursday Funny

2009-01-22 Thread Jake Gardner
No, they are not bitching about 4billion.  They are bitching that they
didn't get the extra 500 million they were expecting.  
 
Cutting 5000 jobs will save them 5000*(70,000*2) or $700,000,000 a year.
Of course I am wildly guessing the $70k/year is the average salary
accross all 5000 employees, and *2 for overhead and additional expenses
the company must pay to have the employees working, ie. bennies, free
food/soda/ice cream/beer in the office, electricity, pc's, other
building expenses, on campus transportion, free meals in one of the
restaraunts on campus, the list goes on and on.
 
Mike, I've been to the MVP summit twice and it's quite impressive what
they give away.  They could prolly cut their freebies in half and save a
billion.
 
 
Thanks,
 
Jake Gardner
TTC Network Administrator
Ext. 246
 



From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 1:14 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Thursday Funny



I don't quite get their gloom and doom though. From that article:

 

The company says profit slipped to $4.17 billion, or 47 cents per share,
from year-ago earnings of $4.71 billion, or 50 cents per share.

It says total revenue edged up 2 percent to $16.63 billion, as software
for corporate computer servers helped offset an 8 percent drop in
revenue for PC software.

The results missed Wall Street's forecast for earnings of 49 cents per
share on sales of $17.08 billion.

 

They are complaining about a profit of 4 BILLION DOLLARS. OMG.

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP

My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael

I'll be at TEC'2009! http://www.tec2009.com/vegas/index.php

 

From: will...@lefkovics.net [mailto:will...@lefkovics.net] 
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:31 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: re: [OT] Thursday Funny

 

Really, almost as good as the original.

Not so funny Thursday tidbit:
Microsoft to cut up to 5,000 jobs
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28791669/



From: Michael B. Smith mich...@theessentialexchange.com
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:06 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: [OT] Thursday Funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb2GmBkkaTU

 

 

 

 

 


 


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RE: [OT] Thursday Funny

2009-01-22 Thread Don Andrews
What a justification for clearing out marginal employees.

 



From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 10:14 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Thursday Funny

 

I don't quite get their gloom and doom though. From that article:

 

The company says profit slipped to $4.17 billion, or 47 cents per share,
from year-ago earnings of $4.71 billion, or 50 cents per share.

It says total revenue edged up 2 percent to $16.63 billion, as software
for corporate computer servers helped offset an 8 percent drop in
revenue for PC software.

The results missed Wall Street's forecast for earnings of 49 cents per
share on sales of $17.08 billion.

 

They are complaining about a profit of 4 BILLION DOLLARS. OMG.

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP

My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael

I'll be at TEC'2009! http://www.tec2009.com/vegas/index.php

 

From: will...@lefkovics.net [mailto:will...@lefkovics.net] 
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:31 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: re: [OT] Thursday Funny

 

Really, almost as good as the original.

Not so funny Thursday tidbit:
Microsoft to cut up to 5,000 jobs
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28791669/



From: Michael B. Smith mich...@theessentialexchange.com
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:06 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: [OT] Thursday Funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb2GmBkkaTU

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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RE: Return address

2009-01-22 Thread Jim Dandy
Is that possible if people on the list don't have an exchange mailbox?

 -Original Message-
 From: Troy Meyer [mailto:troy.me...@monacocoach.com]
 Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:59 AM
 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: Return address
 
 You allow your department distribution lists to receive mail from
external
 senders?
 
 Seems like the easiest way around this one is to create a group and
only allow
 that people in that group to send to your distro list.
 
 
 -troy
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jim Dandy [mailto:jda...@asmail.ucdavis.edu]
 Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:52 AM
 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
 Subject: Return address
 
 I use Messaging Ninja for spam filtering.  Ninja can only filter spam
 that is sent to a mailbox.  Mail that is sent to a distribution list
is
 not filtered.  Spammers have discovered my distribution list address
and
 now are spamming my whole department.  Some of the people on the
 distribution list have exchange mailboxes and some have external
 addresses.  In order to filter mail sent to the distribution list
 address I did the following.
 
 1) Renamed the distribution list (and it's address) from All to AllD.
 2) Created a mailbox with name and address All
 3) Set the mailbox to forward all mail to AllD
 4) set HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Sunbelt
 Software\MessagingNinja\scanForwardedADContacts to 1
 
 Ok, that works fine in that mail is distributed as it should be when
it
 is sent to All and I'm guessing it is being filtered.  (I haven't
 tried sending any spam to it to test the spam filtering part of it.)
 However, when the message arrives in an inbox the message says it was
 sent to AllD which is the distribution list.  I want it to appear that
 the message was sent to All not AllD.  Is there way to get the message
 To line to show All instead of AllD?  Note: I'm not just talking about
 the display name - I want the actual address to be All.  I don't want
 people or spammers to know the address of the AllD distribution list.
 
 Thanks for any help you can provide.
 
 Curt
 
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RE: Return address

2009-01-22 Thread Don Andrews
I think this will limit those users who can SEND to the list, not
receive from the list - or is this intended to be a free for all where
anybody on the list should be able to send to all?

-Original Message-
From: Jim Dandy [mailto:jda...@asmail.ucdavis.edu] 
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 10:49 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Return address

Is that possible if people on the list don't have an exchange mailbox?

 -Original Message-
 From: Troy Meyer [mailto:troy.me...@monacocoach.com]
 Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:59 AM
 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: Return address
 
 You allow your department distribution lists to receive mail from
external
 senders?
 
 Seems like the easiest way around this one is to create a group and
only allow
 that people in that group to send to your distro list.
 
 
 -troy
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jim Dandy [mailto:jda...@asmail.ucdavis.edu]
 Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:52 AM
 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
 Subject: Return address
 
 I use Messaging Ninja for spam filtering.  Ninja can only filter spam
 that is sent to a mailbox.  Mail that is sent to a distribution list
is
 not filtered.  Spammers have discovered my distribution list address
and
 now are spamming my whole department.  Some of the people on the
 distribution list have exchange mailboxes and some have external
 addresses.  In order to filter mail sent to the distribution list
 address I did the following.
 
 1) Renamed the distribution list (and it's address) from All to AllD.
 2) Created a mailbox with name and address All
 3) Set the mailbox to forward all mail to AllD
 4) set HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Sunbelt
 Software\MessagingNinja\scanForwardedADContacts to 1
 
 Ok, that works fine in that mail is distributed as it should be when
it
 is sent to All and I'm guessing it is being filtered.  (I haven't
 tried sending any spam to it to test the spam filtering part of it.)
 However, when the message arrives in an inbox the message says it was
 sent to AllD which is the distribution list.  I want it to appear that
 the message was sent to All not AllD.  Is there way to get the message
 To line to show All instead of AllD?  Note: I'm not just talking about
 the display name - I want the actual address to be All.  I don't want
 people or spammers to know the address of the AllD distribution list.
 
 Thanks for any help you can provide.
 
 Curt
 
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 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
 
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RE: Return address

2009-01-22 Thread Troy Meyer
Those people wouldn't be able to send to the list (receiving still would work 
fine)...  But that might put the kabash on that one.

-troy

-Original Message-
From: Jim Dandy [mailto:jda...@asmail.ucdavis.edu] 
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 10:49 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Return address

Is that possible if people on the list don't have an exchange mailbox?

 -Original Message-
 From: Troy Meyer [mailto:troy.me...@monacocoach.com]
 Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:59 AM
 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: Return address
 
 You allow your department distribution lists to receive mail from
external
 senders?
 
 Seems like the easiest way around this one is to create a group and
only allow
 that people in that group to send to your distro list.
 
 
 -troy
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jim Dandy [mailto:jda...@asmail.ucdavis.edu]
 Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:52 AM
 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
 Subject: Return address
 
 I use Messaging Ninja for spam filtering.  Ninja can only filter spam
 that is sent to a mailbox.  Mail that is sent to a distribution list
is
 not filtered.  Spammers have discovered my distribution list address
and
 now are spamming my whole department.  Some of the people on the
 distribution list have exchange mailboxes and some have external
 addresses.  In order to filter mail sent to the distribution list
 address I did the following.
 
 1) Renamed the distribution list (and it's address) from All to AllD.
 2) Created a mailbox with name and address All
 3) Set the mailbox to forward all mail to AllD
 4) set HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Sunbelt
 Software\MessagingNinja\scanForwardedADContacts to 1
 
 Ok, that works fine in that mail is distributed as it should be when
it
 is sent to All and I'm guessing it is being filtered.  (I haven't
 tried sending any spam to it to test the spam filtering part of it.)
 However, when the message arrives in an inbox the message says it was
 sent to AllD which is the distribution list.  I want it to appear that
 the message was sent to All not AllD.  Is there way to get the message
 To line to show All instead of AllD?  Note: I'm not just talking about
 the display name - I want the actual address to be All.  I don't want
 people or spammers to know the address of the AllD distribution list.
 
 Thanks for any help you can provide.
 
 Curt
 
 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~
 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
 
 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~
 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~

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Re: Return address

2009-01-22 Thread Ben Scott
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Troy Meyer troy.me...@monacocoach.com wrote:
 Those people wouldn't be able to send to the list (receiving still would work 
 fine)...
 But that might put the kabash on that one.

  H... what if you created Exchange Mail-Enabled Contact objects
in Active Directory, with email address to match the external sender,
and then assigned those objects to the allowed-senders list for the
DL.?  (Or will that even work?)

-- Ben

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RE: [OT] Thursday Funny

2009-01-22 Thread will...@lefkovics.net
I think the sentiment is that the worst is yet to come and the increased trend 
toward the cloud (argh... i used a buzzword! I'm doomed!) means fewer physical 
'seats' for their products.

They answer to their shareholders, not their employees or their customers 
(though obviously ignoring the latter two will impact the former).

Hey... I'm a shareholder.

Ballmer's letter:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10147964-75.html?part=rsssubj=newstag=2547-1_3-0-5



From: Michael B. Smith mich...@theessentialexchange.com
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 10:45 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: [OT] Thursday Funny 

I don't quite get their gloom and doom though. From that article:
 
The company says profit slipped to $4.17 billion, or 47 cents per share, from 
year-ago earnings of $4.71 billion, or 50 cents per share.
It says total revenue edged up 2 percent to $16.63 billion, as software for 
corporate computer servers helped offset an 8 percent drop in revenue for PC 
software.
The results missed Wall Street's forecast for earnings of 49 cents per share on 
sales of $17.08 billion.
 
They are complaining about a profit of 4 BILLION DOLLARS. OMG.
 
Regards,
 
Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP
My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael
I'll be at TEC'2009! http://www.tec2009.com/vegas/index.php
 

From: will...@lefkovics.net [mailto:will...@lefkovics.net] 
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:31 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: re: [OT] Thursday Funny
 
Really, almost as good as the original.

Not so funny Thursday tidbit:
Microsoft to cut up to 5,000 jobs
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28791669/



From: Michael B. Smith mich...@theessentialexchange.com
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:06 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: [OT] Thursday Funny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb2GmBkkaTU
 
 

 
 

 

 
 

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Lyris on Exchange

2009-01-22 Thread KevinM
I was asked today a question that I know I used to know the answer for, but I 
don't seem to know anymore.

How do I make exchange be my listserv server... what do I need to add.

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RE: Lyris on Exchange

2009-01-22 Thread Kretche, Peter
Lyris isn't supported on Exchange however you can make it work.  For a truly 
integrated Exchange listserv, look at Ikakura 
www.ikakura.comhttp://www.ikakura.com.  I've used it in the past with great 
success.  They have a version for 5.5/2000/2003 published.  Their 2007 version 
is in beta, if you email them they will send you the beta.

-
Thank you,
Pete Kretche
MCP, A+, HP APS
Senior Network/Systems Administrator
E-mail Administrator
UW - Green Bay
Voice: 920.465.5014
Fax: 920.465.2864
kretc...@uwgb.edumailto:kretc...@uwgb.edu

[cid:image001.jpg@01C97C96.1AFB8680]Be green, keep it on the screen!  Please 
don't print this email unless it is absolutely critical.

From: KevinM [mailto:kev...@wlkmmas.org]
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 1:28 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Lyris on Exchange

I was asked today a question that I know I used to know the answer for, but I 
don't seem to know anymore.

How do I make exchange be my listserv server... what do I need to add.




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Re: [OT] Thursday Funny

2009-01-22 Thread Kurt Buff
For most companies (read, those that aren't rich enough to do it in
house) the cloud  is just another form of outsourcing, and a
particularly bad one. Folks will come to realize that pretty quickly
once the data breaches start happening in the cloud, just like they do
inside of the company. I think MSFT's worries are not about the cloud
- or at least, they shouldn't be.

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:06 AM, will...@lefkovics.net
will...@lefkovics.net wrote:
 I think the sentiment is that the worst is yet to come and the increased
 trend toward the cloud (argh... i used a buzzword! I'm doomed!) means fewer
 physical 'seats' for their products.

 They answer to their shareholders, not their employees or their customers
 (though obviously ignoring the latter two will impact the former).

 Hey... I'm a shareholder.

 Ballmer's letter:
 http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10147964-75.html?part=rsssubj=newstag=2547-1_3-0-5


 
 From: Michael B. Smith mich...@theessentialexchange.com
 Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 10:45 AM
 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Subject: RE: [OT] Thursday Funny

 I don't quite get their gloom and doom though. From that article:



 The company says profit slipped to $4.17 billion, or 47 cents per share,
 from year-ago earnings of $4.71 billion, or 50 cents per share.

 It says total revenue edged up 2 percent to $16.63 billion, as software for
 corporate computer servers helped offset an 8 percent drop in revenue for PC
 software.

 The results missed Wall Street's forecast for earnings of 49 cents per share
 on sales of $17.08 billion.



 They are complaining about a profit of 4 BILLION DOLLARS. OMG.



 Regards,



 Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP

 My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael

 I'll be at TEC'2009! http://www.tec2009.com/vegas/index.php



 From: will...@lefkovics.net [mailto:will...@lefkovics.net]
 Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:31 PM
 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
 Subject: re: [OT] Thursday Funny



 Really, almost as good as the original.

 Not so funny Thursday tidbit:
 Microsoft to cut up to 5,000 jobs
 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28791669/

 

 From: Michael B. Smith mich...@theessentialexchange.com
 Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:06 AM
 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Subject: [OT] Thursday Funny

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb2GmBkkaTU















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Changed the FQDN on the Exchange SMTP

2009-01-22 Thread Eric Wittersheim
Do I need to reboot the server for the changes to take effect?

 

Eric Wittersheim 
American Academy of Sleep Medicine 
One Westbrook Corporate Center Suite 920 
Westchester, IL. 60185 
Ph. 708-492-0930 
Fax. 708-492-0943 


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RE: Changed the FQDN on the Exchange SMTP

2009-01-22 Thread Eric Wittersheim
Never mind.  Got it.

 

From: Eric Wittersheim [mailto:ewittersh...@aasmnet.org] 
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 3:00 PM 
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Changed the FQDN on the Exchange SMTP

 

Do I need to reboot the server for the changes to take effect?

 

Eric Wittersheim 
American Academy of Sleep Medicine 
One Westbrook Corporate Center Suite 920 
Westchester, IL. 60185 
Ph. 708-492-0930 
Fax. 708-492-0943 

 

 


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RE: [OT] Thursday Funny

2009-01-22 Thread William Lefkovics
The cloud, Software-as-a-Service, Hosted Solutions, whatever you want to call 
it, is part of the evolution of networking.  They are not _worried_ about it; 
they are embracing it (groove.com, mesh.com, office.live.com).  However, it 
means fewer installed instances of Windows Server, Office, Exchange, etc over 
time. 

Some companies that ARE rich enough to do it in house are still considering and 
some moving to hosted solutions because it saves them money. That is both 
reasonable and expected. Data breaches are not unexpected.  I don't think 
anyone believes that it isn't possible.  Or outages. Or data loss.  Even Google 
and their perpetual beta lost a bunch of peoples' e-mail. 


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:50 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Thursday Funny

For most companies (read, those that aren't rich enough to do it in
house) the cloud  is just another form of outsourcing, and a particularly bad 
one. Folks will come to realize that pretty quickly once the data breaches 
start happening in the cloud, just like they do inside of the company. I think 
MSFT's worries are not about the cloud
- or at least, they shouldn't be.

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:06 AM, will...@lefkovics.net will...@lefkovics.net 
wrote:
 I think the sentiment is that the worst is yet to come and the 
 increased trend toward the cloud (argh... i used a buzzword! I'm 
 doomed!) means fewer physical 'seats' for their products.

 They answer to their shareholders, not their employees or their 
 customers (though obviously ignoring the latter two will impact the former).

 Hey... I'm a shareholder.

 Ballmer's letter:
 http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10147964-75.html?part=rsssubj=news;
 tag=2547-1_3-0-5


 
 From: Michael B. Smith mich...@theessentialexchange.com
 Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 10:45 AM
 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues 
 exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Subject: RE: [OT] Thursday Funny

 I don't quite get their gloom and doom though. From that article:





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Re: [OT] Thursday Funny

2009-01-22 Thread Kurt Buff
It may be part of the evolution of networking, but I think it's a dead
end. If you don't have the bits under your direct physical control,
you don't own them or control them at all.

Data breaches may not be unexpected, but they can and will hurt a lot
more in the future than they do now, as they have more serious
consequences, I sincerely believe.

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 2:00 PM, William Lefkovics
will...@lefkovics.net wrote:
 The cloud, Software-as-a-Service, Hosted Solutions, whatever you want to 
 call it, is part of the evolution of networking.  They are not _worried_ 
 about it; they are embracing it (groove.com, mesh.com, office.live.com).  
 However, it means fewer installed instances of Windows Server, Office, 
 Exchange, etc over time.

 Some companies that ARE rich enough to do it in house are still considering 
 and some moving to hosted solutions because it saves them money. That is both 
 reasonable and expected. Data breaches are not unexpected.  I don't think 
 anyone believes that it isn't possible.  Or outages. Or data loss.  Even 
 Google and their perpetual beta lost a bunch of peoples' e-mail.


 -Original Message-
 From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:50 PM
 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: [OT] Thursday Funny

 For most companies (read, those that aren't rich enough to do it in
 house) the cloud  is just another form of outsourcing, and a particularly 
 bad one. Folks will come to realize that pretty quickly once the data 
 breaches start happening in the cloud, just like they do inside of the 
 company. I think MSFT's worries are not about the cloud
 - or at least, they shouldn't be.

 On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:06 AM, will...@lefkovics.net 
 will...@lefkovics.net wrote:
 I think the sentiment is that the worst is yet to come and the
 increased trend toward the cloud (argh... i used a buzzword! I'm
 doomed!) means fewer physical 'seats' for their products.

 They answer to their shareholders, not their employees or their
 customers (though obviously ignoring the latter two will impact the former).

 Hey... I'm a shareholder.

 Ballmer's letter:
 http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10147964-75.html?part=rsssubj=news;
 tag=2547-1_3-0-5


 
 From: Michael B. Smith mich...@theessentialexchange.com
 Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 10:45 AM
 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
 exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Subject: RE: [OT] Thursday Funny

 I don't quite get their gloom and doom though. From that article:





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Re: [OT] Thursday Funny

2009-01-22 Thread Ben Scott
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 5:00 PM, William Lefkovics
will...@lefkovics.net wrote:
 The cloud, Software-as-a-Service, Hosted Solutions, whatever you want to 
 call it, is part of the evolution of networking.  They are not _worried_ 
 about it; they are embracing it ...

  I'm sorta with Kurt on this one.  While I'm sure a great many
companies can move to such services at reasonable risk, I also think
there's going to be an eventual counter-migration for some of those
companies.  Same thing that's happened for some companies with
outsourcing for other reasons; it's a short-term gain but a long-term
loss.

  However, this counter-migration will not occur at any significant
level until some massive breaches occur and cause some high-profile
companies to loose significant money, or even go out of business.  The
public breaches we've seen so far are child's play in comparison to
what's coming.

  Some will no doubt consider this needless fear.  Only time will tell
who is right.

-- Ben

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RE: [OT] Thursday Funny

2009-01-22 Thread William Lefkovics
I appreciate your point. It is certainly not for everyone and it is not even an 
option for some.

But in some cases, a hosting company can provide more control and not less. And 
it is not an 'all-or-nothing' thing.
Some aspects of the business can be moved to a service model. 

My point was not whether it is a good or bad move, but rather that the cloud, 
SaaS, hosted services, etc, will have an impact on overall future sales for 
software vendors including Microsoft. 




-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 3:51 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Thursday Funny

It may be part of the evolution of networking, but I think it's a dead end. If 
you don't have the bits under your direct physical control, you don't own them 
or control them at all.

Data breaches may not be unexpected, but they can and will hurt a lot more in 
the future than they do now, as they have more serious consequences, I 
sincerely believe.

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 2:00 PM, William Lefkovics will...@lefkovics.net 
wrote:
 The cloud, Software-as-a-Service, Hosted Solutions, whatever you want to 
 call it, is part of the evolution of networking.  They are not _worried_ 
 about it; they are embracing it (groove.com, mesh.com, office.live.com).  
 However, it means fewer installed instances of Windows Server, Office, 
 Exchange, etc over time.

 Some companies that ARE rich enough to do it in house are still considering 
 and some moving to hosted solutions because it saves them money. That is both 
 reasonable and expected. Data breaches are not unexpected.  I don't think 
 anyone believes that it isn't possible.  Or outages. Or data loss.  Even 
 Google and their perpetual beta lost a bunch of peoples' e-mail.


 -Original Message-
 From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:50 PM
 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: [OT] Thursday Funny

 For most companies (read, those that aren't rich enough to do it in
 house) the cloud  is just another form of outsourcing, and a 
 particularly bad one. Folks will come to realize that pretty quickly 
 once the data breaches start happening in the cloud, just like they do 
 inside of the company. I think MSFT's worries are not about the cloud
 - or at least, they shouldn't be.

 On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:06 AM, will...@lefkovics.net 
 will...@lefkovics.net wrote:
 I think the sentiment is that the worst is yet to come and the 
 increased trend toward the cloud (argh... i used a buzzword! I'm
 doomed!) means fewer physical 'seats' for their products.

 They answer to their shareholders, not their employees or their 
 customers (though obviously ignoring the latter two will impact the former).

 Hey... I'm a shareholder.

 Ballmer's letter:
 http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10147964-75.html?part=rsssubj=news
 
 tag=2547-1_3-0-5


 
 From: Michael B. Smith mich...@theessentialexchange.com
 Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 10:45 AM
 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
 exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Subject: RE: [OT] Thursday Funny

 I don't quite get their gloom and doom though. From that article:





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 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~


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Re: [OT] Thursday Funny

2009-01-22 Thread Ben Scott
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:54 PM, William Lefkovics
will...@lefkovics.net wrote:
 My point was not whether it is a good or bad move, but rather that the cloud,
 SaaS, hosted services, etc, will have an impact on overall future sales for
 software vendors including Microsoft.

  Of course, in the past, Microsoft has changed their licensing terms
to adapt to changing times.  Sometimes to customer advantage,
sometimes to their own.  I wouldn't be surprised to see cloud CALs
or something show up if it really starts to hurt them...

-- Ben

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Re: [OT] Thursday Funny

2009-01-22 Thread Kurt Buff
You might be right.

There's an old stock market saying - the market can remain irrational
longer than you can remain solvent. Heh.

However, I think, as Ben points out, that an adjustment in client
license prices or even a new type of licensing agreement might be in
order.

Of course, lawmakers will never do the rational thing, and allow MSFT
to offer SAAS/Cloud directly. That would be unfair competition. As
much as, at times, and more frequently, I'm not a fan of MSFT, I'm
even less a fan of lawmakers.

Sigh.

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 4:54 PM, William Lefkovics
will...@lefkovics.net wrote:
 I appreciate your point. It is certainly not for everyone and it is not even 
 an option for some.

 But in some cases, a hosting company can provide more control and not less. 
 And it is not an 'all-or-nothing' thing.
 Some aspects of the business can be moved to a service model.

 My point was not whether it is a good or bad move, but rather that the cloud, 
 SaaS, hosted services, etc, will have an impact on overall future sales for 
 software vendors including Microsoft.




 -Original Message-
 From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 3:51 PM
 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: [OT] Thursday Funny

 It may be part of the evolution of networking, but I think it's a dead end. 
 If you don't have the bits under your direct physical control, you don't own 
 them or control them at all.

 Data breaches may not be unexpected, but they can and will hurt a lot more in 
 the future than they do now, as they have more serious consequences, I 
 sincerely believe.

 On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 2:00 PM, William Lefkovics will...@lefkovics.net 
 wrote:
 The cloud, Software-as-a-Service, Hosted Solutions, whatever you want to 
 call it, is part of the evolution of networking.  They are not _worried_ 
 about it; they are embracing it (groove.com, mesh.com, office.live.com).  
 However, it means fewer installed instances of Windows Server, Office, 
 Exchange, etc over time.

 Some companies that ARE rich enough to do it in house are still considering 
 and some moving to hosted solutions because it saves them money. That is 
 both reasonable and expected. Data breaches are not unexpected.  I don't 
 think anyone believes that it isn't possible.  Or outages. Or data loss.  
 Even Google and their perpetual beta lost a bunch of peoples' e-mail.


 -Original Message-
 From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:50 PM
 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: [OT] Thursday Funny

 For most companies (read, those that aren't rich enough to do it in
 house) the cloud  is just another form of outsourcing, and a
 particularly bad one. Folks will come to realize that pretty quickly
 once the data breaches start happening in the cloud, just like they do
 inside of the company. I think MSFT's worries are not about the cloud
 - or at least, they shouldn't be.

 On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:06 AM, will...@lefkovics.net 
 will...@lefkovics.net wrote:
 I think the sentiment is that the worst is yet to come and the
 increased trend toward the cloud (argh... i used a buzzword! I'm
 doomed!) means fewer physical 'seats' for their products.

 They answer to their shareholders, not their employees or their
 customers (though obviously ignoring the latter two will impact the former).

 Hey... I'm a shareholder.

 Ballmer's letter:
 http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10147964-75.html?part=rsssubj=news
 
 tag=2547-1_3-0-5


 
 From: Michael B. Smith mich...@theessentialexchange.com
 Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 10:45 AM
 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
 exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Subject: RE: [OT] Thursday Funny

 I don't quite get their gloom and doom though. From that article:





 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~
 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~


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 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~



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Any Help : Installing .msi on remote servers

2009-01-22 Thread ~Srinivas
Hai,

Any idea, how to install .msi on Remote Servers.

msiexec.exe is working fine locally. When am wrapping this with PSEXEC
@SERVERS.TXT

-- 
--Srinivas



Guru Krupaahee Keevalam---

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Re: Any Help : Installing .msi on remote servers

2009-01-22 Thread ~Srinivas
 Hai,

 Any idea, how to install .msi on Remote Servers.

 msiexec.exe is working fine locally. When am wrapping this with


1. copying the .msi remotely to \\server\d$\code\ file://server/d$/code/
2. wrapping with psexec .. psexec -u trmx\sriniv @servers.txt msiexec /i /qn
/quiet d:\code\test.msi /norestart

this is failing ..

Any one can share their experience in similar case..



 --
 --Srinivas



 Guru Krupaahee Keevalam---




-- 
--Srinivas



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