RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
They may be dirt cheap now, but shortly our Dear Leader in the US is going to institute about a 90% increase in the cost of gas with his cap and trade carbon tax. Some things just make me glad that I'm out here in the sandbox. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems Forward Operating Base Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 Molōn labe! -Original Message- From: Rob Hagman [mailto:r...@hagman.demon.nl] On Behalf Of li...@hagman.demon.nl Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:46 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Don't know why your are complaining about your dirt cheap fuel prices Average price for Jun 30 source: http://www.unitedconsumers.com/link.asp?m=tc=waartankenbanner.asp?regio=8c t=as=0 For the most common types of fuel, converted to $/US Gal. from Euro/ltr Euro95 Regulair $7.76 Ultimate 98 Super/Premium $8.09 Diesel $5.78 LPG $3.10 Most expensive: Texaco Super MLV $8.19 Small Diesels and LPG fueled cars are quite popular here in the Netherlands Rob. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Brian Dwyer [mailto:bdw...@bne.catholic.edu.au] Verzonden: dinsdag 30 juni 2009 6:55 Aan: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Onderwerp: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Shessh - paid $AU 1.12 ltr this morning,(cheapest day of the week for petrol in Brisbane) there's about 3.8 ltr to the US Gal which is about $AU 4.59 US Gal. Taking the current exchange rate $US 1 = $AU 1.23 into consideration means I paid the equivalent of about $US 5.64 a gal. For good measure the state government is introducing a new 8c ltr state tax tomorrow !!! Diesel is approx 3 - 5c a litre dearer than unleaded !! Local Ford Fairmont Ghia 6 cyl 4 ltr sedan gets about 11.5L/100k or 2.5Gal/62 miles (26.2 mpg) around town My math is not real great but I think you get the idea ! Brian -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, 30 June 2009 1:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Mini cooper _DIESEL_?? I wish the US would get it's act together for mid-size and small diesel. -sc -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 4:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce- 8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Don't know why your are complaining about your dirt cheap fuel prices Average price for Jun 30 source: http://www.unitedconsumers.com/link.asp?m=tc=waartankenbanner.asp?regio=8c t=as=0 For the most common types of fuel, converted to $/US Gal. from Euro/ltr Euro95 Regulair $7.76 Ultimate 98 Super/Premium $8.09 Diesel $5.78 LPG $3.10 Most expensive: Texaco Super MLV $8.19 Small Diesels and LPG fueled cars are quite popular here in the Netherlands Rob. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Brian Dwyer [mailto:bdw...@bne.catholic.edu.au] Verzonden: dinsdag 30 juni 2009 6:55 Aan: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Onderwerp: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Shessh - paid $AU 1.12 ltr this morning,(cheapest day of the week for petrol in Brisbane) there's about 3.8 ltr to the US Gal which is about $AU 4.59 US Gal. Taking the current exchange rate $US 1 = $AU 1.23 into consideration means I paid the equivalent of about $US 5.64 a gal. For good measure the state government is introducing a new 8c ltr state tax tomorrow !!! Diesel is approx 3 - 5c a litre dearer than unleaded !! Local Ford Fairmont Ghia 6 cyl 4 ltr sedan gets about 11.5L/100k or 2.5Gal/62 miles (26.2 mpg) around town My math is not real great but I think you get the idea ! Brian -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, 30 June 2009 1:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Mini cooper _DIESEL_?? I wish the US would get it's act together for mid-size and small diesel. -sc -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 4:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce- 8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the BCEC Security Gateway, and is believed to be clean. Brisbane Catholic Education however gives no warranties that this e-mail is free from computer viruses or other defects. Except for responsibilities implied by law that cannot be excluded, Brisbane Catholic Education, its employees and agents will not be responsible for any loss, damage or consequence arising from this e-mail.
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
5 Cylinder Direct Injection Turbo Diesel with Intercooler ECU Controlled 122 bhp (120 PS, 90 kW) at 4200 rpm 300 Nm (221 lb.ft) of torque at 1950 rpm 2200kg (ish in weight) -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: 29 June 2009 16:52 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) What's the specs on a TD5 power plant? -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Can I chip in with a non American vehicle? Land Rover 110 Td5 full time 4x4 139k miles and 28mpg around town and 32/33mpg on a run. 2500cc 5 Cylinder. Manual. -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: 29 June 2009 09:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce- 8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.clearswift.com ** ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Fuel over here is around 100.9p/litre for unleaded (regular) 102.9p/litre for diesel (regular) I spotted diesel at 111.9p/litre (reg) LPG iirc 45p/litre -Original Message- From: Rob Hagman [mailto:r...@hagman.demon.nl] On Behalf Of li...@hagman.demon.nl Sent: 30 June 2009 07:16 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Don't know why your are complaining about your dirt cheap fuel prices Average price for Jun 30 source: http://www.unitedconsumers.com/link.asp?m=tc=waartankenbanner.asp?regio=8c t=as=0 For the most common types of fuel, converted to $/US Gal. from Euro/ltr Euro95 Regulair $7.76 Ultimate 98 Super/Premium $8.09 Diesel $5.78 LPG $3.10 Most expensive: Texaco Super MLV $8.19 Small Diesels and LPG fueled cars are quite popular here in the Netherlands Rob. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Brian Dwyer [mailto:bdw...@bne.catholic.edu.au] Verzonden: dinsdag 30 juni 2009 6:55 Aan: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Onderwerp: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Shessh - paid $AU 1.12 ltr this morning,(cheapest day of the week for petrol in Brisbane) there's about 3.8 ltr to the US Gal which is about $AU 4.59 US Gal. Taking the current exchange rate $US 1 = $AU 1.23 into consideration means I paid the equivalent of about $US 5.64 a gal. For good measure the state government is introducing a new 8c ltr state tax tomorrow !!! Diesel is approx 3 - 5c a litre dearer than unleaded !! Local Ford Fairmont Ghia 6 cyl 4 ltr sedan gets about 11.5L/100k or 2.5Gal/62 miles (26.2 mpg) around town My math is not real great but I think you get the idea ! Brian -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, 30 June 2009 1:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Mini cooper _DIESEL_?? I wish the US would get it's act together for mid-size and small diesel. -sc -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 4:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce- 8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the BCEC Security Gateway, and is believed to be clean. Brisbane Catholic Education however gives no warranties that this e-mail is free from computer viruses or other defects. Except for responsibilities implied by law that cannot be excluded, Brisbane Catholic Education, its employees and agents
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Man, I'd love to have that plant in mid-size SUV. There are few attractive small diesels in the US, but those that are available often don't make their way in to passenger vehicles, where the emissions regulations are far more strict than the light-duty truck market, which is where you find the majority of diesels here. I read about one test that replaced the 4.7L V8 (which got MPG in the high teens) with a ~3.5L V6 turbo diesel. The mileage went to low/mid 30's, and the performance was nearly identical. That would be the perfect for my Toyota Sequoia. What many folks don't realize, is that other than particulate, modern diesels actually have LESS harmful emissions than their gasoline brethren in several categories. _SIGH_. -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:49 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) 5 Cylinder Direct Injection Turbo Diesel with Intercooler ECU Controlled 122 bhp (120 PS, 90 kW) at 4200 rpm 300 Nm (221 lb.ft) of torque at 1950 rpm 2200kg (ish in weight) -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: 29 June 2009 16:52 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) What's the specs on a TD5 power plant? -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Can I chip in with a non American vehicle? Land Rover 110 Td5 full time 4x4 139k miles and 28mpg around town and 32/33mpg on a run. 2500cc 5 Cylinder. Manual. -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: 29 June 2009 09:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce- 8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.clearswift.com ** ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Oh, and torque approaching 2X the HP rating makes me horny. -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:49 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) 5 Cylinder Direct Injection Turbo Diesel with Intercooler ECU Controlled 122 bhp (120 PS, 90 kW) at 4200 rpm 300 Nm (221 lb.ft) of torque at 1950 rpm 2200kg (ish in weight) -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: 29 June 2009 16:52 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) What's the specs on a TD5 power plant? -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Can I chip in with a non American vehicle? Land Rover 110 Td5 full time 4x4 139k miles and 28mpg around town and 32/33mpg on a run. 2500cc 5 Cylinder. Manual. -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: 29 June 2009 09:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce- 8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.clearswift.com ** ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Places like www.td5alive.com can do some nice tuning and take it to around 185bhp. Some claim better MPG as well. Its on my list of jobs but not to 185bhp. Maybe more like 150bhp. Land rover are now doing a TDv6 and a TDv8 in the Range Rovers. One of the lumps now has twin turbo :-) -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: 30 June 2009 14:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Man, I'd love to have that plant in mid-size SUV. There are few attractive small diesels in the US, but those that are available often don't make their way in to passenger vehicles, where the emissions regulations are far more strict than the light-duty truck market, which is where you find the majority of diesels here. I read about one test that replaced the 4.7L V8 (which got MPG in the high teens) with a ~3.5L V6 turbo diesel. The mileage went to low/mid 30's, and the performance was nearly identical. That would be the perfect for my Toyota Sequoia. What many folks don't realize, is that other than particulate, modern diesels actually have LESS harmful emissions than their gasoline brethren in several categories. _SIGH_. -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:49 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) 5 Cylinder Direct Injection Turbo Diesel with Intercooler ECU Controlled 122 bhp (120 PS, 90 kW) at 4200 rpm 300 Nm (221 lb.ft) of torque at 1950 rpm 2200kg (ish in weight) -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: 29 June 2009 16:52 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) What's the specs on a TD5 power plant? -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Can I chip in with a non American vehicle? Land Rover 110 Td5 full time 4x4 139k miles and 28mpg around town and 32/33mpg on a run. 2500cc 5 Cylinder. Manual. -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: 29 June 2009 09:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce- 8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use
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I bet this could have been the Jeep power plants. I drove the Grand Cherokee with the diesel and the 5.7 Hemi. The diesels torque was very impressive. The Hemi was the one we chose to buy. At the time diesel was over a dollar more a gallon than gas and the Hemi was such a nice motor. -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 8:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Man, I'd love to have that plant in mid-size SUV. There are few attractive small diesels in the US, but those that are available often don't make their way in to passenger vehicles, where the emissions regulations are far more strict than the light-duty truck market, which is where you find the majority of diesels here. I read about one test that replaced the 4.7L V8 (which got MPG in the high teens) with a ~3.5L V6 turbo diesel. The mileage went to low/mid 30's, and the performance was nearly identical. That would be the perfect for my Toyota Sequoia. What many folks don't realize, is that other than particulate, modern diesels actually have LESS harmful emissions than their gasoline brethren in several categories. _SIGH_. -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:49 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) 5 Cylinder Direct Injection Turbo Diesel with Intercooler ECU Controlled 122 bhp (120 PS, 90 kW) at 4200 rpm 300 Nm (221 lb.ft) of torque at 1950 rpm 2200kg (ish in weight) -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: 29 June 2009 16:52 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) What's the specs on a TD5 power plant? -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Can I chip in with a non American vehicle? Land Rover 110 Td5 full time 4x4 139k miles and 28mpg around town and 32/33mpg on a run. 2500cc 5 Cylinder. Manual. -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: 29 June 2009 09:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce- 8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use
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The test I read was using a Detroit diesel... What engine for a Grand Cherokee? I knew the liberty had a small 4-cyl diesel, but wasn't aware that the GC had a diesel option, at least here in the states... -sc -Original Message- From: Eric Wittersheim [mailto:ewittersh...@aasmnet.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) I bet this could have been the Jeep power plants. I drove the Grand Cherokee with the diesel and the 5.7 Hemi. The diesels torque was very impressive. The Hemi was the one we chose to buy. At the time diesel was over a dollar more a gallon than gas and the Hemi was such a nice motor. -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 8:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Man, I'd love to have that plant in mid-size SUV. There are few attractive small diesels in the US, but those that are available often don't make their way in to passenger vehicles, where the emissions regulations are far more strict than the light-duty truck market, which is where you find the majority of diesels here. I read about one test that replaced the 4.7L V8 (which got MPG in the high teens) with a ~3.5L V6 turbo diesel. The mileage went to low/mid 30's, and the performance was nearly identical. That would be the perfect for my Toyota Sequoia. What many folks don't realize, is that other than particulate, modern diesels actually have LESS harmful emissions than their gasoline brethren in several categories. _SIGH_. -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:49 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) 5 Cylinder Direct Injection Turbo Diesel with Intercooler ECU Controlled 122 bhp (120 PS, 90 kW) at 4200 rpm 300 Nm (221 lb.ft) of torque at 1950 rpm 2200kg (ish in weight) -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: 29 June 2009 16:52 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) What's the specs on a TD5 power plant? -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Can I chip in with a non American vehicle? Land Rover 110 Td5 full time 4x4 139k miles and 28mpg around town and 32/33mpg on a run. 2500cc 5 Cylinder. Manual. -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: 29 June 2009 09:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce- 8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
HP is rated at 215 I think for the GC CRD. -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 9:55 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Very cool... although the estimated 18/23 mpg seems a little anemic. No HP rating either... although at 376 TQ, I'd guess maybe about 200... that is a little low for a vehicle that size with probably only a 5-spd tranny. -sc -Original Message- From: Eric Wittersheim [mailto:ewittersh...@aasmnet.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yes they do. Check it out. http://www.jeep.com/crd/ -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 9:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) The test I read was using a Detroit diesel... What engine for a Grand Cherokee? I knew the liberty had a small 4-cyl diesel, but wasn't aware that the GC had a diesel option, at least here in the states... -sc -Original Message- From: Eric Wittersheim [mailto:ewittersh...@aasmnet.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) I bet this could have been the Jeep power plants. I drove the Grand Cherokee with the diesel and the 5.7 Hemi. The diesels torque was very impressive. The Hemi was the one we chose to buy. At the time diesel was over a dollar more a gallon than gas and the Hemi was such a nice motor. -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 8:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Man, I'd love to have that plant in mid-size SUV. There are few attractive small diesels in the US, but those that are available often don't make their way in to passenger vehicles, where the emissions regulations are far more strict than the light-duty truck market, which is where you find the majority of diesels here. I read about one test that replaced the 4.7L V8 (which got MPG in the high teens) with a ~3.5L V6 turbo diesel. The mileage went to low/mid 30's, and the performance was nearly identical. That would be the perfect for my Toyota Sequoia. What many folks don't realize, is that other than particulate, modern diesels actually have LESS harmful emissions than their gasoline brethren in several categories. _SIGH_. -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:49 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) 5 Cylinder Direct Injection Turbo Diesel with Intercooler ECU Controlled 122 bhp (120 PS, 90 kW) at 4200 rpm 300 Nm (221 lb.ft) of torque at 1950 rpm 2200kg (ish in weight) -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: 29 June 2009 16:52 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) What's the specs on a TD5 power plant? -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Can I chip in with a non American vehicle? Land Rover 110 Td5 full time 4x4 139k miles and 28mpg around town and 32/33mpg on a run. 2500cc 5 Cylinder. Manual. -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: 29 June 2009 09:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce- 8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense
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Yes they do. Check it out. http://www.jeep.com/crd/ -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 9:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) The test I read was using a Detroit diesel... What engine for a Grand Cherokee? I knew the liberty had a small 4-cyl diesel, but wasn't aware that the GC had a diesel option, at least here in the states... -sc -Original Message- From: Eric Wittersheim [mailto:ewittersh...@aasmnet.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) I bet this could have been the Jeep power plants. I drove the Grand Cherokee with the diesel and the 5.7 Hemi. The diesels torque was very impressive. The Hemi was the one we chose to buy. At the time diesel was over a dollar more a gallon than gas and the Hemi was such a nice motor. -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 8:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Man, I'd love to have that plant in mid-size SUV. There are few attractive small diesels in the US, but those that are available often don't make their way in to passenger vehicles, where the emissions regulations are far more strict than the light-duty truck market, which is where you find the majority of diesels here. I read about one test that replaced the 4.7L V8 (which got MPG in the high teens) with a ~3.5L V6 turbo diesel. The mileage went to low/mid 30's, and the performance was nearly identical. That would be the perfect for my Toyota Sequoia. What many folks don't realize, is that other than particulate, modern diesels actually have LESS harmful emissions than their gasoline brethren in several categories. _SIGH_. -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:49 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) 5 Cylinder Direct Injection Turbo Diesel with Intercooler ECU Controlled 122 bhp (120 PS, 90 kW) at 4200 rpm 300 Nm (221 lb.ft) of torque at 1950 rpm 2200kg (ish in weight) -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: 29 June 2009 16:52 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) What's the specs on a TD5 power plant? -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Can I chip in with a non American vehicle? Land Rover 110 Td5 full time 4x4 139k miles and 28mpg around town and 32/33mpg on a run. 2500cc 5 Cylinder. Manual. -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: 29 June 2009 09:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce- 8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being
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Very cool... although the estimated 18/23 mpg seems a little anemic. No HP rating either... although at 376 TQ, I'd guess maybe about 200... that is a little low for a vehicle that size with probably only a 5-spd tranny. -sc -Original Message- From: Eric Wittersheim [mailto:ewittersh...@aasmnet.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yes they do. Check it out. http://www.jeep.com/crd/ -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 9:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) The test I read was using a Detroit diesel... What engine for a Grand Cherokee? I knew the liberty had a small 4-cyl diesel, but wasn't aware that the GC had a diesel option, at least here in the states... -sc -Original Message- From: Eric Wittersheim [mailto:ewittersh...@aasmnet.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) I bet this could have been the Jeep power plants. I drove the Grand Cherokee with the diesel and the 5.7 Hemi. The diesels torque was very impressive. The Hemi was the one we chose to buy. At the time diesel was over a dollar more a gallon than gas and the Hemi was such a nice motor. -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 8:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Man, I'd love to have that plant in mid-size SUV. There are few attractive small diesels in the US, but those that are available often don't make their way in to passenger vehicles, where the emissions regulations are far more strict than the light-duty truck market, which is where you find the majority of diesels here. I read about one test that replaced the 4.7L V8 (which got MPG in the high teens) with a ~3.5L V6 turbo diesel. The mileage went to low/mid 30's, and the performance was nearly identical. That would be the perfect for my Toyota Sequoia. What many folks don't realize, is that other than particulate, modern diesels actually have LESS harmful emissions than their gasoline brethren in several categories. _SIGH_. -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:49 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) 5 Cylinder Direct Injection Turbo Diesel with Intercooler ECU Controlled 122 bhp (120 PS, 90 kW) at 4200 rpm 300 Nm (221 lb.ft) of torque at 1950 rpm 2200kg (ish in weight) -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: 29 June 2009 16:52 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) What's the specs on a TD5 power plant? -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Can I chip in with a non American vehicle? Land Rover 110 Td5 full time 4x4 139k miles and 28mpg around town and 32/33mpg on a run. 2500cc 5 Cylinder. Manual. -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: 29 June 2009 09:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce- 8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively
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Real Jeeps have a 4.0 liter v6: http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s252/Articul8_DWG/Rausch%20082507/photo23.jpg :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.com -Original Message- From: Eric Wittersheim [mailto:ewittersh...@aasmnet.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yes they do. Check it out. http://www.jeep.com/crd/ -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 9:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) The test I read was using a Detroit diesel... What engine for a Grand Cherokee? I knew the liberty had a small 4-cyl diesel, but wasn't aware that the GC had a diesel option, at least here in the states... -sc -Original Message- From: Eric Wittersheim [mailto:ewittersh...@aasmnet.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) I bet this could have been the Jeep power plants. I drove the Grand Cherokee with the diesel and the 5.7 Hemi. The diesels torque was very impressive. The Hemi was the one we chose to buy. At the time diesel was over a dollar more a gallon than gas and the Hemi was such a nice motor. -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 8:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Man, I'd love to have that plant in mid-size SUV. There are few attractive small diesels in the US, but those that are available often don't make their way in to passenger vehicles, where the emissions regulations are far more strict than the light-duty truck market, which is where you find the majority of diesels here. I read about one test that replaced the 4.7L V8 (which got MPG in the high teens) with a ~3.5L V6 turbo diesel. The mileage went to low/mid 30's, and the performance was nearly identical. That would be the perfect for my Toyota Sequoia. What many folks don't realize, is that other than particulate, modern diesels actually have LESS harmful emissions than their gasoline brethren in several categories. _SIGH_. -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:49 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) 5 Cylinder Direct Injection Turbo Diesel with Intercooler ECU Controlled 122 bhp (120 PS, 90 kW) at 4200 rpm 300 Nm (221 lb.ft) of torque at 1950 rpm 2200kg (ish in weight) -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: 29 June 2009 16:52 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) What's the specs on a TD5 power plant? -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Can I chip in with a non American vehicle? Land Rover 110 Td5 full time 4x4 139k miles and 28mpg around town and 32/33mpg on a run. 2500cc 5 Cylinder. Manual. -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: 29 June 2009 09:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce- 8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I
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You sure you don't mean the 4.0 liter _IN-LINE_ six? :P -sc -Original Message- From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:44 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Real Jeeps have a 4.0 liter v6: http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s252/Articul8_DWG/Rausch%20082507/ph oto23.jpg :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.com -Original Message- From: Eric Wittersheim [mailto:ewittersh...@aasmnet.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yes they do. Check it out. http://www.jeep.com/crd/ -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 9:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) The test I read was using a Detroit diesel... What engine for a Grand Cherokee? I knew the liberty had a small 4-cyl diesel, but wasn't aware that the GC had a diesel option, at least here in the states... -sc -Original Message- From: Eric Wittersheim [mailto:ewittersh...@aasmnet.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) I bet this could have been the Jeep power plants. I drove the Grand Cherokee with the diesel and the 5.7 Hemi. The diesels torque was very impressive. The Hemi was the one we chose to buy. At the time diesel was over a dollar more a gallon than gas and the Hemi was such a nice motor. -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 8:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Man, I'd love to have that plant in mid-size SUV. There are few attractive small diesels in the US, but those that are available often don't make their way in to passenger vehicles, where the emissions regulations are far more strict than the light-duty truck market, which is where you find the majority of diesels here. I read about one test that replaced the 4.7L V8 (which got MPG in the high teens) with a ~3.5L V6 turbo diesel. The mileage went to low/mid 30's, and the performance was nearly identical. That would be the perfect for my Toyota Sequoia. What many folks don't realize, is that other than particulate, modern diesels actually have LESS harmful emissions than their gasoline brethren in several categories. _SIGH_. -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:49 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) 5 Cylinder Direct Injection Turbo Diesel with Intercooler ECU Controlled 122 bhp (120 PS, 90 kW) at 4200 rpm 300 Nm (221 lb.ft) of torque at 1950 rpm 2200kg (ish in weight) -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: 29 June 2009 16:52 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) What's the specs on a TD5 power plant? -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Can I chip in with a non American vehicle? Land Rover 110 Td5 full time 4x4 139k miles and 28mpg around town and 32/33mpg on a run. 2500cc 5 Cylinder. Manual. -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: 29 June 2009 09:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce- 8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had
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Yup, sure do! No way I meant the mini-van motors they're putting in the newer Wranglers. :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.com -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:51 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) You sure you don't mean the 4.0 liter _IN-LINE_ six? :P -sc -Original Message- From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:44 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Real Jeeps have a 4.0 liter v6: http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s252/Articul8_DWG/Rausch%20082507/ph oto23.jpg :) Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.com -Original Message- From: Eric Wittersheim [mailto:ewittersh...@aasmnet.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yes they do. Check it out. http://www.jeep.com/crd/ -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 9:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) The test I read was using a Detroit diesel... What engine for a Grand Cherokee? I knew the liberty had a small 4-cyl diesel, but wasn't aware that the GC had a diesel option, at least here in the states... -sc -Original Message- From: Eric Wittersheim [mailto:ewittersh...@aasmnet.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) I bet this could have been the Jeep power plants. I drove the Grand Cherokee with the diesel and the 5.7 Hemi. The diesels torque was very impressive. The Hemi was the one we chose to buy. At the time diesel was over a dollar more a gallon than gas and the Hemi was such a nice motor. -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 8:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Man, I'd love to have that plant in mid-size SUV. There are few attractive small diesels in the US, but those that are available often don't make their way in to passenger vehicles, where the emissions regulations are far more strict than the light-duty truck market, which is where you find the majority of diesels here. I read about one test that replaced the 4.7L V8 (which got MPG in the high teens) with a ~3.5L V6 turbo diesel. The mileage went to low/mid 30's, and the performance was nearly identical. That would be the perfect for my Toyota Sequoia. What many folks don't realize, is that other than particulate, modern diesels actually have LESS harmful emissions than their gasoline brethren in several categories. _SIGH_. -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:49 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) 5 Cylinder Direct Injection Turbo Diesel with Intercooler ECU Controlled 122 bhp (120 PS, 90 kW) at 4200 rpm 300 Nm (221 lb.ft) of torque at 1950 rpm 2200kg (ish in weight) -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: 29 June 2009 16:52 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) What's the specs on a TD5 power plant? -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Can I chip in with a non American vehicle? Land Rover 110 Td5 full time 4x4 139k miles and 28mpg around town and 32/33mpg on a run. 2500cc 5 Cylinder. Manual. -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: 29 June 2009 09:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce- 8579465-8066
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Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Can I chip in with a non American vehicle? Land Rover 110 Td5 full time 4x4 139k miles and 28mpg around town and 32/33mpg on a run. 2500cc 5 Cylinder. Manual. -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: 29 June 2009 09:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.clearswift.com ** ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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I still get 30mph, and RPM around 4500. 30mph? Pretty good for a KIA. I thought you said it would get up to 70... snickers -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 5:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) I've made several trips in my 2002 Kia between my home near Seattle and destinations in Eastern WA (minimum trip time, 4 hours, maximum 7 hrs) at sustained speeds over 70mph, usually pushing 80. I still get 30mph, and RPM around 4500. I love the little beast, even if acceleration is dismal, and the roofer left a huge dent in the front driver-side quarter panel.. Kurt On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 08:47, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Mini cooper _DIESEL_?? I wish the US would get it's act together for mid-size and small diesel. -sc -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 4:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce- 8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
What's the specs on a TD5 power plant? -sc -Original Message- From: Ellis, John P. [mailto:johnel...@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Can I chip in with a non American vehicle? Land Rover 110 Td5 full time 4x4 139k miles and 28mpg around town and 32/33mpg on a run. 2500cc 5 Cylinder. Manual. -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: 29 June 2009 09:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce- 8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.clearswift.com ** ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
LOL! OK - I mistyped. It's 30mpg at over 70mph. On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 05:30, Maglinger, Paulpmaglin...@scvl.com wrote: I still get 30mph, and RPM around 4500. 30mph? Pretty good for a KIA. I thought you said it would get up to 70... snickers -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 5:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) I've made several trips in my 2002 Kia between my home near Seattle and destinations in Eastern WA (minimum trip time, 4 hours, maximum 7 hrs) at sustained speeds over 70mph, usually pushing 80. I still get 30mph, and RPM around 4500. I love the little beast, even if acceleration is dismal, and the roofer left a huge dent in the front driver-side quarter panel.. Kurt On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 08:47, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~
Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Dang - I considered a Mini Cooper when buying my Kia, but the cargo capacity wasn't there and it was more expensive. A diesel would be nice, fer sher. Kurt On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 01:40, Sobey, Richard Ar.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~
Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Since we're on the subject of fuel efficiency, I was curious what gas/diesel prices are in your area. Reg. Unleaded = $2.89 Diesel = $3.29 Anchorage, Alaska - Sean On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Dang - I considered a Mini Cooper when buying my Kia, but the cargo capacity wasn't there and it was more expensive. A diesel would be nice, fer sher. Kurt On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 01:40, Sobey, Richard Ar.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Don't know about diesel, but gas is all over the map - I buy at Arco, because they have consistently lower prices, but even they go anywhere from $2.69 to $2.89. Others range higher. Kenmore, Redmond, Bothell, Kirkland, Auburn and Enumclaw, WA Kurt On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 12:35, Sean Martinseanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Since we're on the subject of fuel efficiency, I was curious what gas/diesel prices are in your area. Reg. Unleaded = $2.89 Diesel = $3.29 Anchorage, Alaska - Sean On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Dang - I considered a Mini Cooper when buying my Kia, but the cargo capacity wasn't there and it was more expensive. A diesel would be nice, fer sher. Kurt On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 01:40, Sobey, Richard Ar.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~
Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Reg. 2.63 at Costco Not sure about diesel right now Northwest Indiana near Chicago From: Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 2:35:56 PM Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Since we're on the subject of fuel efficiency, I was curious what gas/diesel prices are in your area. Reg. Unleaded = $2.89 Diesel = $3.29 Anchorage, Alaska - Sean On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Dang - I considered a Mini Cooper when buying my Kia, but the cargo capacity wasn't there and it was more expensive. A diesel would be nice, fer sher. Kurt On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 01:40, Sobey, Richard Ar.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
$2.59 Regular $2.67 Diesel Southern Indiana From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 2:36 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Since we're on the subject of fuel efficiency, I was curious what gas/diesel prices are in your area. Reg. Unleaded = $2.89 Diesel = $3.29 Anchorage, Alaska - Sean On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Dang - I considered a Mini Cooper when buying my Kia, but the cargo capacity wasn't there and it was more expensive. A diesel would be nice, fer sher. Kurt On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 01:40, Sobey, Richard Ar.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
In the west burbs of Chicago Diesel is a bit cheaper than regular gas the last time I looked. From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 2:51 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Reg. 2.63 at Costco Not sure about diesel right now Northwest Indiana near Chicago From: Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 2:35:56 PM Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Since we're on the subject of fuel efficiency, I was curious what gas/diesel prices are in your area. Reg. Unleaded = $2.89 Diesel = $3.29 Anchorage, Alaska - Sean On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Dang - I considered a Mini Cooper when buying my Kia, but the cargo capacity wasn't there and it was more expensive. A diesel would be nice, fer sher. Kurt On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 01:40, Sobey, Richard Ar.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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$3.059 Regular $2.859 Diesel East Bay (walnut Creek) California From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 12:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) $2.59 Regular $2.67 Diesel Southern Indiana From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 2:36 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Since we're on the subject of fuel efficiency, I was curious what gas/diesel prices are in your area. Reg. Unleaded = $2.89 Diesel = $3.29 Anchorage, Alaska - Sean On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Dang - I considered a Mini Cooper when buying my Kia, but the cargo capacity wasn't there and it was more expensive. A diesel would be nice, fer sher. Kurt On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 01:40, Sobey, Richard Ar.so...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions expressed in this email are those of the author and do not represent those of the Names in the News company. Warning: Although precautions have been taken to make sure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage that arise from the use of this email or attachments.
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
http://gasbuddy.com/gb_gastemperaturemap.aspx
;)
From: David L Herrick [mailto:davidherr...@nincal.com]
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 1:44 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
$3.059 Regular
$2.859 Diesel
East Bay (walnut Creek) California
From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 12:53 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
$2.59 Regular
$2.67 Diesel
Southern Indiana
From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 2:36 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Since we're on the subject of fuel efficiency, I was curious what
gas/diesel prices are in your area.
Reg. Unleaded = $2.89
Diesel = $3.29
Anchorage, Alaska
- Sean
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote:
Dang - I considered a Mini Cooper when buying my Kia, but the cargo
capacity wasn't there and it was more expensive.
A diesel would be nice, fer sher.
Kurt
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 01:40, Sobey, Richard Ar.so...@imperial.ac.uk
wrote:
Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel
(and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly).
/loves fuel bill.
-Original Message-
From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
[mailto:bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of
Ben Scott
Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com
wrote:
Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear
yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-)
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola
Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote:
I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've
never seen savings at 55.
Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement.
I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced
the confusion.
MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I
know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively.
I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs
changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between
21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when
it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily.
80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's
going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up
to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the
engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH
but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to
redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on
the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's
considerably beefier, or so I've read.
It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher
speeds. I wouldn't have expected that.
-- Ben
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There is something very wrong with the coloring of that map.
Something very very wrong...
--
ME2
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Salvador Manzoma...@usc.edu wrote:
http://gasbuddy.com/gb_gastemperaturemap.aspx
;)
From: David L Herrick [mailto:davidherr...@nincal.com]
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 1:44 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
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$3.059 Regular
$2.859 Diesel
East Bay (walnut Creek) California
From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 12:53 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
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$2.59 Regular
$2.67 Diesel
Southern Indiana
From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 2:36 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Since we're on the subject of fuel efficiency, I was curious what gas/diesel
prices are in your area.
Reg. Unleaded = $2.89
Diesel = $3.29
Anchorage, Alaska
- Sean
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote:
Dang - I considered a Mini Cooper when buying my Kia, but the cargo
capacity wasn't there and it was more expensive.
A diesel would be nice, fer sher.
Kurt
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 01:40, Sobey, Richard Ar.so...@imperial.ac.uk
wrote:
Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and
~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly).
/loves fuel bill.
-Original Message-
From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
[mailto:bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben
Scott
Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote:
Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear
yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-)
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola
Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote:
I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've
never seen savings at 55.
Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement.
I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced
the confusion.
MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I
know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively.
I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs
changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between
21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when
it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily.
80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's
going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up
to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the
engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH
but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to
redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on
the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's
considerably beefier, or so I've read.
It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher
speeds. I wouldn't have expected that.
-- Ben
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On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: http://gasbuddy.com/gb_gastemperaturemap.aspx There is something very wrong with the coloring of that map. Something very very wrong... I imagine it looks fine if you live in Oklahoma. ;-) I assume the sharp boundaries along state lines are the result of taxes and other state fees impacting gas prices. -- Ben
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Shessh - paid $AU 1.12 ltr this morning,(cheapest day of the week for petrol in Brisbane) there's about 3.8 ltr to the US Gal which is about $AU 4.59 US Gal. Taking the current exchange rate $US 1 = $AU 1.23 into consideration means I paid the equivalent of about $US 5.64 a gal. For good measure the state government is introducing a new 8c ltr state tax tomorrow !!! Diesel is approx 3 - 5c a litre dearer than unleaded !! Local Ford Fairmont Ghia 6 cyl 4 ltr sedan gets about 11.5L/100k or 2.5Gal/62 miles (26.2 mpg) around town My math is not real great but I think you get the idea ! Brian -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, 30 June 2009 1:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Mini cooper _DIESEL_?? I wish the US would get it's act together for mid-size and small diesel. -sc -Original Message- From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 4:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Makes me so proud of my ~60MPG @ 70MPH in my new Mini Cooper Diesel (and ~40MPG @ 105MPH, but I never did that, honestly). /loves fuel bill. -Original Message- From: bounce-8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce- 8579465-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: 26 June 2009 16:47 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the BCEC Security Gateway, and is believed to be clean. Brisbane Catholic Education however gives no warranties that this e-mail is free from computer viruses or other defects. Except for responsibilities implied by law that cannot be excluded, Brisbane Catholic Education, its employees and agents will not be responsible for any loss, damage or consequence arising from this e-mail.
Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Sean Martinseanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Plus it gets like 28 MPG highway if you drive conservatively. No offense, but I'm trying to picture how would drive a Subura Forrester other than conservatively. :-) Heh. :) It's not a race car by any stretch of the imagination, but it can get out of its own way. It will comfortably do 80 on the highway, once you get up to speed. Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Indeed. Typically peak mileage corresponds to the peak of the torque curve in the highest gear you can run and still maintain RPM. -sc -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 10:09 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Sean Martinseanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Plus it gets like 28 MPG highway if you drive conservatively. No offense, but I'm trying to picture how would drive a Subura Forrester other than conservatively. :-) Heh. :) It's not a race car by any stretch of the imagination, but it can get out of its own way. It will comfortably do 80 on the highway, once you get up to speed. Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Yup, exactly!! I also have a cell phone that is orangebada Boom!! On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Andy Shook andy.sh...@peak10.com wrote: That makes sense, you bought a car that matches your hair…BOOM! Shook *From:* Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2009 10:17 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yuck, my husband has tried to get me to buy a Forrester for years. I think they are ugly. Personally I love my Nissan Xterra in Atomic Orange. I can always find my vehicle in a crowded parking lot. LOL On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Sean Martinseanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Plus it gets like 28 MPG highway if you drive conservatively. No offense, but I'm trying to picture how would drive a Subura Forrester other than conservatively. :-) Heh. :) It's not a race car by any stretch of the imagination, but it can get out of its own way. It will comfortably do 80 on the highway, once you get up to speed. Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Sherry you're a Denver Bronco's fan. I never would have guessed. J From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 8:26 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yup, exactly!! I also have a cell phone that is orangebada Boom!! On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Andy Shook andy.sh...@peak10.com wrote: That makes sense, you bought a car that matches your hair...BOOM! Shook From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 10:17 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yuck, my husband has tried to get me to buy a Forrester for years. I think they are ugly. Personally I love my Nissan Xterra in Atomic Orange. I can always find my vehicle in a crowded parking lot. LOL On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Sean Martinseanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Plus it gets like 28 MPG highway if you drive conservatively. No offense, but I'm trying to picture how would drive a Subura Forrester other than conservatively. :-) Heh. :) It's not a race car by any stretch of the imagination, but it can get out of its own way. It will comfortably do 80 on the highway, once you get up to speed. Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately via e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake; then, delete this e-mail from your system. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Dave Dave Dave, you know for a Texan, them's fightin' words. Hook 'em Horns!! On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Eldridge, Dave d...@parkviewmc.com wrote: Sherry you’re a Denver Bronco’s fan. I never would have guessed. J *From:* Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2009 8:26 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yup, exactly!! I also have a cell phone that is orangebada Boom!! On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Andy Shook andy.sh...@peak10.com wrote: That makes sense, you bought a car that matches your hair…BOOM! Shook *From:* Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2009 10:17 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yuck, my husband has tried to get me to buy a Forrester for years. I think they are ugly. Personally I love my Nissan Xterra in Atomic Orange. I can always find my vehicle in a crowded parking lot. LOL On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Sean Martinseanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Plus it gets like 28 MPG highway if you drive conservatively. No offense, but I'm trying to picture how would drive a Subura Forrester other than conservatively. :-) Heh. :) It's not a race car by any stretch of the imagination, but it can get out of its own way. It will comfortably do 80 on the highway, once you get up to speed. Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke This e-mail contains the thoughts and opinions of the sender and does not represent official Parkview Medical Center policy. This communication is intended only for the recipient(s) named above, may be confidential and/or legally privileged: and, must be treated as such in accordance with state and federal laws. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of this communication, or any of its contents, is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please return to sender and delete the message from your computer system. -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
I knew that I'm rolling on the floor. J There's such a group hug between Texas and Colorado. I run into you guys on the slopes all the time. J From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 8:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Dave Dave Dave, you know for a Texan, them's fightin' words. Hook 'em Horns!! On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Eldridge, Dave d...@parkviewmc.com wrote: Sherry you're a Denver Bronco's fan. I never would have guessed. J From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 8:26 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yup, exactly!! I also have a cell phone that is orangebada Boom!! On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Andy Shook andy.sh...@peak10.com wrote: That makes sense, you bought a car that matches your hair...BOOM! Shook From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 10:17 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yuck, my husband has tried to get me to buy a Forrester for years. I think they are ugly. Personally I love my Nissan Xterra in Atomic Orange. I can always find my vehicle in a crowded parking lot. LOL On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Sean Martinseanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Plus it gets like 28 MPG highway if you drive conservatively. No offense, but I'm trying to picture how would drive a Subura Forrester other than conservatively. :-) Heh. :) It's not a race car by any stretch of the imagination, but it can get out of its own way. It will comfortably do 80 on the highway, once you get up to speed. Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke This e-mail contains the thoughts and opinions of the sender and does not represent official Parkview Medical Center policy. This communication is intended only for the recipient(s) named above, may be confidential and/or legally privileged: and, must be treated as such in accordance with state and federal laws. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of this communication, or any of its contents, is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please return to sender and delete the message from your computer system. -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately via e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake; then, delete this e-mail from your system. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Yup, if you're at Wolf Creek the first week of Feb. 2010 you will run into this Texan. Honestly, I loved seeing Elway finally win a Superbowl in 98, especially against the Packers. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Eldridge, Dave d...@parkviewmc.com wrote: I knew that I’m rolling on the floor. J There’s such a group hug between Texas and Colorado. I run into you guys on the slopes all the time. J *From:* Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2009 8:30 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Dave Dave Dave, you know for a Texan, them's fightin' words. Hook 'em Horns!! On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Eldridge, Dave d...@parkviewmc.com wrote: Sherry you’re a Denver Bronco’s fan. I never would have guessed. J *From:* Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2009 8:26 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yup, exactly!! I also have a cell phone that is orangebada Boom!! On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Andy Shook andy.sh...@peak10.com wrote: That makes sense, you bought a car that matches your hair…BOOM! Shook *From:* Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2009 10:17 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yuck, my husband has tried to get me to buy a Forrester for years. I think they are ugly. Personally I love my Nissan Xterra in Atomic Orange. I can always find my vehicle in a crowded parking lot. LOL On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Sean Martinseanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Plus it gets like 28 MPG highway if you drive conservatively. No offense, but I'm trying to picture how would drive a Subura Forrester other than conservatively. :-) Heh. :) It's not a race car by any stretch of the imagination, but it can get out of its own way. It will comfortably do 80 on the highway, once you get up to speed. Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke This e-mail contains the thoughts and opinions of the sender and does not represent official Parkview Medical Center policy. This communication is intended only for the recipient(s) named above, may be confidential and/or legally privileged: and, must be treated as such in accordance with state and federal laws. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of this communication, or any of its contents, is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please return to sender and delete the message from your computer system. -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke This e-mail contains the thoughts and opinions of the sender and does not represent official Parkview Medical Center policy. This communication is intended only for the recipient(s) named above, may be confidential and/or legally privileged: and, must be treated as such in accordance with state and federal laws. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of this communication, or any of its contents, is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please return to sender and delete the message from your computer system. -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Yuck, my husband has tried to get me to buy a Forrester for years. I think they are ugly. Personally I love my Nissan Xterra in Atomic Orange. I can always find my vehicle in a crowded parking lot. LOL On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Sean Martinseanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Plus it gets like 28 MPG highway if you drive conservatively. No offense, but I'm trying to picture how would drive a Subura Forrester other than conservatively. :-) Heh. :) It's not a race car by any stretch of the imagination, but it can get out of its own way. It will comfortably do 80 on the highway, once you get up to speed. Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
That makes sense, you bought a car that matches your hair...BOOM! Shook From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 10:17 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yuck, my husband has tried to get me to buy a Forrester for years. I think they are ugly. Personally I love my Nissan Xterra in Atomic Orange. I can always find my vehicle in a crowded parking lot. LOL On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.commailto:michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.commailto:mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Sean Martinseanmarti...@gmail.commailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Plus it gets like 28 MPG highway if you drive conservatively. No offense, but I'm trying to picture how would drive a Subura Forrester other than conservatively. :-) Heh. :) It's not a race car by any stretch of the imagination, but it can get out of its own way. It will comfortably do 80 on the highway, once you get up to speed. Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Nice! I love that color on the Xterra! -- ME2 On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Sherry Abercrombiesaber...@gmail.com wrote: Yuck, my husband has tried to get me to buy a Forrester for years. I think they are ugly. Personally I love my Nissan Xterra in Atomic Orange. I can always find my vehicle in a crowded parking lot. LOL On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Sean Martinseanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Plus it gets like 28 MPG highway if you drive conservatively. No offense, but I'm trying to picture how would drive a Subura Forrester other than conservatively. :-) Heh. :) It's not a race car by any stretch of the imagination, but it can get out of its own way. It will comfortably do 80 on the highway, once you get up to speed. Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Thanks, I do too ;) It's actually somewhat rare to see an Orange Xterra, Nissan only made them in that color 1 year - 2003. I figure I've got another 5-6 years on driving this one. My last Nissan was a 1995 Pathfinder that I put over 220K miles on before I finally had it pried out of my hands (my husband insisted that I needed a newer, more reliable vehicle and there wasn't anything wrong with the one I had). It was a little easier when I found the Xterra to replace it with..I'm fond of my vehicles, put a lot of mileage on them and expect them to last me 10+ years, therefore, I buy Nissan. There, got us somewhat back on-topic for this OT thread. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: Nice! I love that color on the Xterra! -- ME2 On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Sherry Abercrombiesaber...@gmail.com wrote: Yuck, my husband has tried to get me to buy a Forrester for years. I think they are ugly. Personally I love my Nissan Xterra in Atomic Orange. I can always find my vehicle in a crowded parking lot. LOL On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Sean Martinseanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Plus it gets like 28 MPG highway if you drive conservatively. No offense, but I'm trying to picture how would drive a Subura Forrester other than conservatively. :-) Heh. :) It's not a race car by any stretch of the imagination, but it can get out of its own way. It will comfortably do 80 on the highway, once you get up to speed. Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
I'll make note to avoid that date. J I actually liked the second one better. It was nice to sit back and watch a blow out against someone else for once. J From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 8:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yup, if you're at Wolf Creek the first week of Feb. 2010 you will run into this Texan. Honestly, I loved seeing Elway finally win a Superbowl in 98, especially against the Packers. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Eldridge, Dave d...@parkviewmc.com wrote: I knew that I'm rolling on the floor. J There's such a group hug between Texas and Colorado. I run into you guys on the slopes all the time. J From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 8:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Dave Dave Dave, you know for a Texan, them's fightin' words. Hook 'em Horns!! On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Eldridge, Dave d...@parkviewmc.com wrote: Sherry you're a Denver Bronco's fan. I never would have guessed. J From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 8:26 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yup, exactly!! I also have a cell phone that is orangebada Boom!! On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Andy Shook andy.sh...@peak10.com wrote: That makes sense, you bought a car that matches your hair...BOOM! Shook From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 10:17 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yuck, my husband has tried to get me to buy a Forrester for years. I think they are ugly. Personally I love my Nissan Xterra in Atomic Orange. I can always find my vehicle in a crowded parking lot. LOL On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Sean Martinseanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Plus it gets like 28 MPG highway if you drive conservatively. No offense, but I'm trying to picture how would drive a Subura Forrester other than conservatively. :-) Heh. :) It's not a race car by any stretch of the imagination, but it can get out of its own way. It will comfortably do 80 on the highway, once you get up to speed. Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke This e-mail contains the thoughts and opinions of the sender and does not represent official Parkview Medical Center policy. This communication is intended only for the recipient(s) named above, may be confidential and/or legally privileged: and, must be treated as such in accordance with state and federal laws. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of this communication, or any of its contents, is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please return to sender and delete the message from your computer system. -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke This e-mail contains the thoughts and opinions of the sender and does not represent official Parkview Medical Center policy. This communication is intended only for the recipient(s) named above, may be confidential and/or legally privileged: and, must be treated as such in accordance with state and federal laws. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of this communication, or any of its contents, is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please return to sender and delete the message from your computer system. -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately via e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake
Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Ha, you really shouldn't avoid that week, it might be really entertaining to watch this 40 something year old grandma learn to snowboard! Yup, that next year was good too. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Eldridge, Dave d...@parkviewmc.com wrote: I’ll make note to avoid that date. J I actually liked the second one better. It was nice to sit back and watch a blow out against someone else for once. J *From:* Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2009 8:45 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yup, if you're at Wolf Creek the first week of Feb. 2010 you will run into this Texan. Honestly, I loved seeing Elway finally win a Superbowl in 98, especially against the Packers. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Eldridge, Dave d...@parkviewmc.com wrote: I knew that I’m rolling on the floor. J There’s such a group hug between Texas and Colorado. I run into you guys on the slopes all the time. J *From:* Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2009 8:30 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Dave Dave Dave, you know for a Texan, them's fightin' words. Hook 'em Horns!! On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Eldridge, Dave d...@parkviewmc.com wrote: Sherry you’re a Denver Bronco’s fan. I never would have guessed. J *From:* Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2009 8:26 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yup, exactly!! I also have a cell phone that is orangebada Boom!! On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Andy Shook andy.sh...@peak10.com wrote: That makes sense, you bought a car that matches your hair…BOOM! Shook *From:* Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2009 10:17 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Yuck, my husband has tried to get me to buy a Forrester for years. I think they are ugly. Personally I love my Nissan Xterra in Atomic Orange. I can always find my vehicle in a crowded parking lot. LOL On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Sean Martinseanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Plus it gets like 28 MPG highway if you drive conservatively. No offense, but I'm trying to picture how would drive a Subura Forrester other than conservatively. :-) Heh. :) It's not a race car by any stretch of the imagination, but it can get out of its own way. It will comfortably do 80 on the highway, once you get up to speed. Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke This e-mail contains the thoughts and opinions of the sender and does not represent official Parkview Medical Center policy. This communication is intended only for the recipient(s) named above, may be confidential and/or legally privileged: and, must be treated as such in accordance with state and federal laws. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of this communication, or any of its contents, is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please return to sender and delete the message from your computer system. -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke This e-mail contains the thoughts and opinions of the sender and does not represent official Parkview Medical Center policy. This communication is intended only for the recipient(s) named above, may be confidential and/or legally privileged: and, must be treated as such in accordance with state and federal laws. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of this communication, or any of its contents, is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please return to sender and delete the message from your computer system. -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology
Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
I'll stick to my Echo...2005, 200,000kms and I can still get rubber from 2nd gear and I've had it up to almost 120mph. At 54mpg it rocks! My 97 Dakota (350,000kms)(motor still runs like a top) takes 2 tanks (80 litre tank) for every 1 (38 litre tank) on the Toyota and won't start when it's wetwant to guess which vehicle I like better? -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: June-26-09 11:47 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
All joking aside, I do envy the efficiency of cars capable of 20+ MPG. I've got a 2008 GMC Sierra 3500HD, Duramax, 6 speed allison transmission (I use it to pull a 38ft 5th wheel). Thanks to updated emmissions regulations put into effect the second half of 2007, I'm lucky if I see 12-13 MPG. Previous Duramax models easily saw 18-20 MPG. - Sean On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Honda Odyssey here...can hit 32mpg with seven adults and AC running at 80mpg! On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.comwrote: All joking aside, I do envy the efficiency of cars capable of 20+ MPG. I've got a 2008 GMC Sierra 3500HD, Duramax, 6 speed allison transmission (I use it to pull a 38ft 5th wheel). Thanks to updated emmissions regulations put into effect the second half of 2007, I'm lucky if I see 12-13 MPG. Previous Duramax models easily saw 18-20 MPG. - Sean On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Nice rig. I did love my chipped F350 w7.3 liter PowerStroke. -sc From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 12:30 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) All joking aside, I do envy the efficiency of cars capable of 20+ MPG. I've got a 2008 GMC Sierra 3500HD, Duramax, 6 speed allison transmission (I use it to pull a 38ft 5th wheel). Thanks to updated emmissions regulations put into effect the second half of 2007, I'm lucky if I see 12-13 MPG. Previous Duramax models easily saw 18-20 MPG. - Sean On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Thanks. It has been a great truck. I got a SuperChips programmer for it. It doesn't pull quite as much power out of it as some of the other chip/programmers available, but it came with a warranty and I like the different tuning levels based on the amount I'm towing. As soon as the factory warranty runs out, I'll be looking at removing the diesel particulate filter, which I understand is mostly responsible for the drop in fuel economy. I will say this, Its nice to see diesel prices stay consistent with current rise in gas prices. - Sean On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.comwrote: Nice rig. I did love my chipped F350 w7.3 liter PowerStroke. -sc *From:* Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2009 12:30 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) All joking aside, I do envy the efficiency of cars capable of 20+ MPG. I've got a 2008 GMC Sierra 3500HD, Duramax, 6 speed allison transmission (I use it to pull a 38ft 5th wheel). Thanks to updated emmissions regulations put into effect the second half of 2007, I'm lucky if I see 12-13 MPG. Previous Duramax models easily saw 18-20 MPG. - Sean On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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No kidding... a $1.50 premium was a bit steep. Fortunately my rig was before the mandatory EGR stuff. My chip was a 3-level switchable... it had a nice torque mode for pulling the trailer... You have gauges? -sc From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 12:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Thanks. It has been a great truck. I got a SuperChips programmer for it. It doesn't pull quite as much power out of it as some of the other chip/programmers available, but it came with a warranty and I like the different tuning levels based on the amount I'm towing. As soon as the factory warranty runs out, I'll be looking at removing the diesel particulate filter, which I understand is mostly responsible for the drop in fuel economy. I will say this, Its nice to see diesel prices stay consistent with current rise in gas prices. - Sean On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: Nice rig. I did love my chipped F350 w7.3 liter PowerStroke. -sc From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 12:30 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) All joking aside, I do envy the efficiency of cars capable of 20+ MPG. I've got a 2008 GMC Sierra 3500HD, Duramax, 6 speed allison transmission (I use it to pull a 38ft 5th wheel). Thanks to updated emmissions regulations put into effect the second half of 2007, I'm lucky if I see 12-13 MPG. Previous Duramax models easily saw 18-20 MPG. - Sean On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Sensible people seem to stick with brands that they have had good luck with. I've had great luck with Honda cars and Toyota trucks. I finally had to give my 91 Integra to my son a couple of years ago when I bought my FJ Cruiser (never got over the 70 Land Cruiser I had). From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 8:03 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Thanks, I do too ;) It's actually somewhat rare to see an Orange Xterra, Nissan only made them in that color 1 year - 2003. I figure I've got another 5-6 years on driving this one. My last Nissan was a 1995 Pathfinder that I put over 220K miles on before I finally had it pried out of my hands (my husband insisted that I needed a newer, more reliable vehicle and there wasn't anything wrong with the one I had). It was a little easier when I found the Xterra to replace it with..I'm fond of my vehicles, put a lot of mileage on them and expect them to last me 10+ years, therefore, I buy Nissan. There, got us somewhat back on-topic for this OT thread. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: Nice! I love that color on the Xterra! -- ME2 On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Sherry Abercrombiesaber...@gmail.com wrote: Yuck, my husband has tried to get me to buy a Forrester for years. I think they are ugly. Personally I love my Nissan Xterra in Atomic Orange. I can always find my vehicle in a crowded parking lot. LOL On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Sean Martinseanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Plus it gets like 28 MPG highway if you drive conservatively. No offense, but I'm trying to picture how would drive a Subura Forrester other than conservatively. :-) Heh. :) It's not a race car by any stretch of the imagination, but it can get out of its own way. It will comfortably do 80 on the highway, once you get up to speed. Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
No gauges. The only thing I'm really missing is a boost gauge. It would be nice to have a transmission temp gauge easily viewable rather than having to cycle through the on-board options. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.comwrote: No kidding… a $1.50 premium was a bit steep. Fortunately my rig was before the mandatory EGR stuff. My chip was a 3-level switchable… it had a nice torque mode for pulling the trailer… You have gauges? -sc *From:* Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2009 12:47 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Thanks. It has been a great truck. I got a SuperChips programmer for it. It doesn't pull quite as much power out of it as some of the other chip/programmers available, but it came with a warranty and I like the different tuning levels based on the amount I'm towing. As soon as the factory warranty runs out, I'll be looking at removing the diesel particulate filter, which I understand is mostly responsible for the drop in fuel economy. I will say this, Its nice to see diesel prices stay consistent with current rise in gas prices. - Sean On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: Nice rig. I did love my chipped F350 w7.3 liter PowerStroke. -sc *From:* Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2009 12:30 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) All joking aside, I do envy the efficiency of cars capable of 20+ MPG. I've got a 2008 GMC Sierra 3500HD, Duramax, 6 speed allison transmission (I use it to pull a 38ft 5th wheel). Thanks to updated emmissions regulations put into effect the second half of 2007, I'm lucky if I see 12-13 MPG. Previous Duramax models easily saw 18-20 MPG. - Sean On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Exhaust temp is nice for protecting your turbo when running a chip/programmer. A real tranny temp gauge is nice for towing too, if your truck's factory tranny gauge was as brain dead as mine was... -sc From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 1:59 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) No gauges. The only thing I'm really missing is a boost gauge. It would be nice to have a transmission temp gauge easily viewable rather than having to cycle through the on-board options. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: No kidding... a $1.50 premium was a bit steep. Fortunately my rig was before the mandatory EGR stuff. My chip was a 3-level switchable... it had a nice torque mode for pulling the trailer... You have gauges? -sc From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 12:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Thanks. It has been a great truck. I got a SuperChips programmer for it. It doesn't pull quite as much power out of it as some of the other chip/programmers available, but it came with a warranty and I like the different tuning levels based on the amount I'm towing. As soon as the factory warranty runs out, I'll be looking at removing the diesel particulate filter, which I understand is mostly responsible for the drop in fuel economy. I will say this, Its nice to see diesel prices stay consistent with current rise in gas prices. - Sean On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: Nice rig. I did love my chipped F350 w7.3 liter PowerStroke. -sc From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 12:30 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) All joking aside, I do envy the efficiency of cars capable of 20+ MPG. I've got a 2008 GMC Sierra 3500HD, Duramax, 6 speed allison transmission (I use it to pull a 38ft 5th wheel). Thanks to updated emmissions regulations put into effect the second half of 2007, I'm lucky if I see 12-13 MPG. Previous Duramax models easily saw 18-20 MPG. - Sean On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
I've made several trips in my 2002 Kia between my home near Seattle and destinations in Eastern WA (minimum trip time, 4 hours, maximum 7 hrs) at sustained speeds over 70mph, usually pushing 80. I still get 30mph, and RPM around 4500. I love the little beast, even if acceleration is dismal, and the roofer left a huge dent in the front driver-side quarter panel.. Kurt On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 08:47, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ben Scottmailvor...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Micheal Espinola Jrmichealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it. I've def. had cars that had lower MPG at 75+. I've never seen savings at 55. Gah, I'm an idiot. I reversed the intended sense in my statement. I was trying to be sarcastic with the Amazingly, and so reinforced the confusion. MPG is better at 65 MPH than 80 MPH. How much, I'm not sure, but I know I can use less gas if I drive less aggressively. I do tend to drive aggressively. I also haven't had the plugs changed in too long. And I'm an AC junky. So I typically get between 21 and 25 MPG in my 9-year-old Forrester. On all-highway trips when it was new, 28 to 30 MPG, easily. 80 MPH is pushing the engine a bit, I think. Not oh my God it's going to explode, but it's starting to whine a little. I got it up to just over 90 MPH once, then concern for both road safety and the engine won over and I backed off. The speedometer goes up to 120 MPH but I think that's being optimistic. 90 was already getting close to redline, and the engine sounded like a blender on puree. This is on the 4-cylinder base engine. They have an H6 on some models that's considerably beefier, or so I've read. It's interesting to hear that some cars get lower MPG at higher speeds. I wouldn't have expected that. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
This is also true, along with the insane unions they suffered with and the financial overhead they represented. All were factors, and all together killed Detroit: Lack of vision and innovation Insane union overhead Outsourcing of too many functions (which I actually consider part of the lack of vision) And there were probably other issues as well, but that probably covers the majority of it. I bought a 2002 Kia Rio Cinco in August of 2002, and it came with a 100k/60k mile warranty. I'm still driving it. It cost me roughly $13k out the door, taxes, licensing, everything (manual transmission, air, no power anything - a very basic car.) I still get 30mpg after 110k miles. Nothing that Detroit built at the time came close at the time, and I doubt anything they sell currently does either, though I haven't looked to say for sure. I'm not looking back either. Kurt On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 13:33, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I have to disagree. I believe its that they dont design and assemble cars well enough (as a whole) is what got them into trouble. As an example, many cars manufactured in the past 5 years still only being good in a straight line with inadequate braking and cornering abilities in comparison to the rest of the world market. Never mind being less fuel efficient. Larger body lines, more sway, less control, ugg. I grew up on street racing American muscle cars as a non-seat-belted passenger in my father's hot rods, racing light-to-light old-school style. I love the Camaro's and Mustang's he owned, as well as the ones I did when I became of age. But I have no interest in buying American anymore. Its mostly inferior tech and parts. And I dont buy inferior. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Kurt Buffkurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/25 Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.com GSKs business is pharma (and I bet using that word will cause this email to be blocked by some people). They develop, pipeline, and market drugs. Not email. Not collaboration software. IT, other than IT that helps them develop, pipeline, and market drugs isn't their core competency. Let someone who does it well do it for them. That philosophy is what got the US auto industry in heaps of trouble. We design and assemble cars, we don't make car parts is not a viable business model. Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
MIcheal, what kind of TV do you have, I'm looking to buy not inferior as well. ;-) (but serious too) On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I have to disagree. I believe its that they dont design and assemble cars well enough (as a whole) is what got them into trouble. As an example, many cars manufactured in the past 5 years still only being good in a straight line with inadequate braking and cornering abilities in comparison to the rest of the world market. Never mind being less fuel efficient. Larger body lines, more sway, less control, ugg. I grew up on street racing American muscle cars as a non-seat-belted passenger in my father's hot rods, racing light-to-light old-school style. I love the Camaro's and Mustang's he owned, as well as the ones I did when I became of age. But I have no interest in buying American anymore. Its mostly inferior tech and parts. And I dont buy inferior. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Kurt Buffkurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/25 Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.com GSKs business is pharma (and I bet using that word will cause this email to be blocked by some people). They develop, pipeline, and market drugs. Not email. Not collaboration software. IT, other than IT that helps them develop, pipeline, and market drugs isn't their core competency. Let someone who does it well do it for them. That philosophy is what got the US auto industry in heaps of trouble. We design and assemble cars, we don't make car parts is not a viable business model. Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Agreed. I started wondering why I was paying for a car that wore out after 100K even when I religeously followed the scheduled maintenance. Lifters tapping, a transmission rebuild, head gaskets leaking, etc. I spoke with owners of import cars and they typically didn't have those problems (though I did know a guy who had a Kia in which the transmission failed just after the warranty expired). I just bought a Subaru a few months ago. I love that car. Nothing on the American marketing drives like it. I challenge anyone to find a used Subaru for sale with less than 200K. They are far and few between. And the kicker is, I overheard someone the other day saying how better made American cars are now than in the 70's. And he was right, but they're still not a good as the imports. Who's fault is that? -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) This is also true, along with the insane unions they suffered with and the financial overhead they represented. All were factors, and all together killed Detroit: Lack of vision and innovation Insane union overhead Outsourcing of too many functions (which I actually consider part of the lack of vision) And there were probably other issues as well, but that probably covers the majority of it. I bought a 2002 Kia Rio Cinco in August of 2002, and it came with a 100k/60k mile warranty. I'm still driving it. It cost me roughly $13k out the door, taxes, licensing, everything (manual transmission, air, no power anything - a very basic car.) I still get 30mpg after 110k miles. Nothing that Detroit built at the time came close at the time, and I doubt anything they sell currently does either, though I haven't looked to say for sure. I'm not looking back either. Kurt On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 13:33, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I have to disagree. I believe its that they dont design and assemble cars well enough (as a whole) is what got them into trouble. As an example, many cars manufactured in the past 5 years still only being good in a straight line with inadequate braking and cornering abilities in comparison to the rest of the world market. Never mind being less fuel efficient. Larger body lines, more sway, less control, ugg. I grew up on street racing American muscle cars as a non-seat-belted passenger in my father's hot rods, racing light-to-light old-school style. I love the Camaro's and Mustang's he owned, as well as the ones I did when I became of age. But I have no interest in buying American anymore. Its mostly inferior tech and parts. And I dont buy inferior. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Kurt Buffkurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/25 Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.com GSKs business is pharma (and I bet using that word will cause this email to be blocked by some people). They develop, pipeline, and market drugs. Not email. Not collaboration software. IT, other than IT that helps them develop, pipeline, and market drugs isn't their core competency. Let someone who does it well do it for them. That philosophy is what got the US auto industry in heaps of trouble. We design and assemble cars, we don't make car parts is not a viable business model. Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
I just found 56 in my local area for sale with less than 200k. most have less than 50k. Do I win a prize or something? -Original Message- From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 4:03 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Agreed. I started wondering why I was paying for a car that wore out after 100K even when I religeously followed the scheduled maintenance. Lifters tapping, a transmission rebuild, head gaskets leaking, etc. I spoke with owners of import cars and they typically didn't have those problems (though I did know a guy who had a Kia in which the transmission failed just after the warranty expired). I just bought a Subaru a few months ago. I love that car. Nothing on the American marketing drives like it. I challenge anyone to find a used Subaru for sale with less than 200K. They are far and few between. And the kicker is, I overheard someone the other day saying how better made American cars are now than in the 70's. And he was right, but they're still not a good as the imports. Who's fault is that? -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) This is also true, along with the insane unions they suffered with and the financial overhead they represented. All were factors, and all together killed Detroit: Lack of vision and innovation Insane union overhead Outsourcing of too many functions (which I actually consider part of the lack of vision) And there were probably other issues as well, but that probably covers the majority of it. I bought a 2002 Kia Rio Cinco in August of 2002, and it came with a 100k/60k mile warranty. I'm still driving it. It cost me roughly $13k out the door, taxes, licensing, everything (manual transmission, air, no power anything - a very basic car.) I still get 30mpg after 110k miles. Nothing that Detroit built at the time came close at the time, and I doubt anything they sell currently does either, though I haven't looked to say for sure. I'm not looking back either. Kurt On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 13:33, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I have to disagree. I believe its that they dont design and assemble cars well enough (as a whole) is what got them into trouble. As an example, many cars manufactured in the past 5 years still only being good in a straight line with inadequate braking and cornering abilities in comparison to the rest of the world market. Never mind being less fuel efficient. Larger body lines, more sway, less control, ugg. I grew up on street racing American muscle cars as a non-seat-belted passenger in my father's hot rods, racing light-to-light old-school style. I love the Camaro's and Mustang's he owned, as well as the ones I did when I became of age. But I have no interest in buying American anymore. Its mostly inferior tech and parts. And I dont buy inferior. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Kurt Buffkurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/25 Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.com GSKs business is pharma (and I bet using that word will cause this email to be blocked by some people). They develop, pipeline, and market drugs. Not email. Not collaboration software. IT, other than IT that helps them develop, pipeline, and market drugs isn't their core competency. Let someone who does it well do it for them. That philosophy is what got the US auto industry in heaps of trouble. We design and assemble cars, we don't make car parts is not a viable business model. Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
A slightly used Subaru! On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Eric Wittersheim ewittersh...@aasmnet.orgwrote: I just found 56 in my local area for sale with less than 200k. most have less than 50k. Do I win a prize or something? -Original Message- From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 4:03 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Agreed. I started wondering why I was paying for a car that wore out after 100K even when I religeously followed the scheduled maintenance. Lifters tapping, a transmission rebuild, head gaskets leaking, etc. I spoke with owners of import cars and they typically didn't have those problems (though I did know a guy who had a Kia in which the transmission failed just after the warranty expired). I just bought a Subaru a few months ago. I love that car. Nothing on the American marketing drives like it. I challenge anyone to find a used Subaru for sale with less than 200K. They are far and few between. And the kicker is, I overheard someone the other day saying how better made American cars are now than in the 70's. And he was right, but they're still not a good as the imports. Who's fault is that? -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) This is also true, along with the insane unions they suffered with and the financial overhead they represented. All were factors, and all together killed Detroit: Lack of vision and innovation Insane union overhead Outsourcing of too many functions (which I actually consider part of the lack of vision) And there were probably other issues as well, but that probably covers the majority of it. I bought a 2002 Kia Rio Cinco in August of 2002, and it came with a 100k/60k mile warranty. I'm still driving it. It cost me roughly $13k out the door, taxes, licensing, everything (manual transmission, air, no power anything - a very basic car.) I still get 30mpg after 110k miles. Nothing that Detroit built at the time came close at the time, and I doubt anything they sell currently does either, though I haven't looked to say for sure. I'm not looking back either. Kurt On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 13:33, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I have to disagree. I believe its that they dont design and assemble cars well enough (as a whole) is what got them into trouble. As an example, many cars manufactured in the past 5 years still only being good in a straight line with inadequate braking and cornering abilities in comparison to the rest of the world market. Never mind being less fuel efficient. Larger body lines, more sway, less control, ugg. I grew up on street racing American muscle cars as a non-seat-belted passenger in my father's hot rods, racing light-to-light old-school style. I love the Camaro's and Mustang's he owned, as well as the ones I did when I became of age. But I have no interest in buying American anymore. Its mostly inferior tech and parts. And I dont buy inferior. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Kurt Buffkurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/25 Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.com GSKs business is pharma (and I bet using that word will cause this email to be blocked by some people). They develop, pipeline, and market drugs. Not email. Not collaboration software. IT, other than IT that helps them develop, pipeline, and market drugs isn't their core competency. Let someone who does it well do it for them. That philosophy is what got the US auto industry in heaps of trouble. We design and assemble cars, we don't make car parts is not a viable business model. Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
That W engine of theirs is an interesting piece of design and engineering work. -Original Message- From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 4:04 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Agreed. I started wondering why I was paying for a car that wore out after 100K even when I religeously followed the scheduled maintenance. Lifters tapping, a transmission rebuild, head gaskets leaking, etc. I spoke with owners of import cars and they typically didn't have those problems (though I did know a guy who had a Kia in which the transmission failed just after the warranty expired). I just bought a Subaru a few months ago. I love that car. Nothing on the American marketing drives like it. I challenge anyone to find a used Subaru for sale with less than 200K. They are far and few between. And the kicker is, I overheard someone the other day saying how better made American cars are now than in the 70's. And he was right, but they're still not a good as the imports. Who's fault is that? -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) This is also true, along with the insane unions they suffered with and the financial overhead they represented. All were factors, and all together killed Detroit: Lack of vision and innovation Insane union overhead Outsourcing of too many functions (which I actually consider part of the lack of vision) And there were probably other issues as well, but that probably covers the majority of it. I bought a 2002 Kia Rio Cinco in August of 2002, and it came with a 100k/60k mile warranty. I'm still driving it. It cost me roughly $13k out the door, taxes, licensing, everything (manual transmission, air, no power anything - a very basic car.) I still get 30mpg after 110k miles. Nothing that Detroit built at the time came close at the time, and I doubt anything they sell currently does either, though I haven't looked to say for sure. I'm not looking back either. Kurt On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 13:33, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I have to disagree. I believe its that they dont design and assemble cars well enough (as a whole) is what got them into trouble. As an example, many cars manufactured in the past 5 years still only being good in a straight line with inadequate braking and cornering abilities in comparison to the rest of the world market. Never mind being less fuel efficient. Larger body lines, more sway, less control, ugg. I grew up on street racing American muscle cars as a non-seat-belted passenger in my father's hot rods, racing light-to-light old-school style. I love the Camaro's and Mustang's he owned, as well as the ones I did when I became of age. But I have no interest in buying American anymore. Its mostly inferior tech and parts. And I dont buy inferior. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Kurt Buffkurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/25 Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.com GSKs business is pharma (and I bet using that word will cause this email to be blocked by some people). They develop, pipeline, and market drugs. Not email. Not collaboration software. IT, other than IT that helps them develop, pipeline, and market drugs isn't their core competency. Let someone who does it well do it for them. That philosophy is what got the US auto industry in heaps of trouble. We design and assemble cars, we don't make car parts is not a viable business model. Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ** Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer
Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Subarus have boxer (flat) motors - you're confusing them with the Volkswagen group. Good cars nevertheless. My honda has 217000 miles on it. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families Sent to you from my Blackberry in the Cloud - Original Message - From: Campbell, Rob rob_campb...@centraltechnology.net To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Thu Jun 25 17:25:25 2009 Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) That W engine of theirs is an interesting piece of design and engineering work. -Original Message- From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 4:04 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Agreed. I started wondering why I was paying for a car that wore out after 100K even when I religeously followed the scheduled maintenance. Lifters tapping, a transmission rebuild, head gaskets leaking, etc. I spoke with owners of import cars and they typically didn't have those problems (though I did know a guy who had a Kia in which the transmission failed just after the warranty expired). I just bought a Subaru a few months ago. I love that car. Nothing on the American marketing drives like it. I challenge anyone to find a used Subaru for sale with less than 200K. They are far and few between. And the kicker is, I overheard someone the other day saying how better made American cars are now than in the 70's. And he was right, but they're still not a good as the imports. Who's fault is that? -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) This is also true, along with the insane unions they suffered with and the financial overhead they represented. All were factors, and all together killed Detroit: Lack of vision and innovation Insane union overhead Outsourcing of too many functions (which I actually consider part of the lack of vision) And there were probably other issues as well, but that probably covers the majority of it. I bought a 2002 Kia Rio Cinco in August of 2002, and it came with a 100k/60k mile warranty. I'm still driving it. It cost me roughly $13k out the door, taxes, licensing, everything (manual transmission, air, no power anything - a very basic car.) I still get 30mpg after 110k miles. Nothing that Detroit built at the time came close at the time, and I doubt anything they sell currently does either, though I haven't looked to say for sure. I'm not looking back either. Kurt On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 13:33, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I have to disagree. I believe its that they dont design and assemble cars well enough (as a whole) is what got them into trouble. As an example, many cars manufactured in the past 5 years still only being good in a straight line with inadequate braking and cornering abilities in comparison to the rest of the world market. Never mind being less fuel efficient. Larger body lines, more sway, less control, ugg. I grew up on street racing American muscle cars as a non-seat-belted passenger in my father's hot rods, racing light-to-light old-school style. I love the Camaro's and Mustang's he owned, as well as the ones I did when I became of age. But I have no interest in buying American anymore. Its mostly inferior tech and parts. And I dont buy inferior. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Kurt Buffkurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/25 Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.com GSKs business is pharma (and I bet using that word will cause this email to be blocked by some people). They develop, pipeline, and market drugs. Not email. Not collaboration software. IT, other than IT that helps them develop, pipeline, and market drugs isn't their core competency. Let someone who does it well do it for them. That philosophy is what got the US auto industry in heaps of trouble. We design and assemble cars, we don't make car parts is not a viable business model. Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ** Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
Maybe so. Around here they're hard to find. -Original Message- From: Eric Wittersheim [mailto:ewittersh...@aasmnet.org] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 4:15 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) I just found 56 in my local area for sale with less than 200k. most have less than 50k. Do I win a prize or something? -Original Message- From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 4:03 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Agreed. I started wondering why I was paying for a car that wore out after 100K even when I religeously followed the scheduled maintenance. Lifters tapping, a transmission rebuild, head gaskets leaking, etc. I spoke with owners of import cars and they typically didn't have those problems (though I did know a guy who had a Kia in which the transmission failed just after the warranty expired). I just bought a Subaru a few months ago. I love that car. Nothing on the American marketing drives like it. I challenge anyone to find a used Subaru for sale with less than 200K. They are far and few between. And the kicker is, I overheard someone the other day saying how better made American cars are now than in the 70's. And he was right, but they're still not a good as the imports. Who's fault is that? -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) This is also true, along with the insane unions they suffered with and the financial overhead they represented. All were factors, and all together killed Detroit: Lack of vision and innovation Insane union overhead Outsourcing of too many functions (which I actually consider part of the lack of vision) And there were probably other issues as well, but that probably covers the majority of it. I bought a 2002 Kia Rio Cinco in August of 2002, and it came with a 100k/60k mile warranty. I'm still driving it. It cost me roughly $13k out the door, taxes, licensing, everything (manual transmission, air, no power anything - a very basic car.) I still get 30mpg after 110k miles. Nothing that Detroit built at the time came close at the time, and I doubt anything they sell currently does either, though I haven't looked to say for sure. I'm not looking back either. Kurt On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 13:33, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I have to disagree. I believe its that they dont design and assemble cars well enough (as a whole) is what got them into trouble. As an example, many cars manufactured in the past 5 years still only being good in a straight line with inadequate braking and cornering abilities in comparison to the rest of the world market. Never mind being less fuel efficient. Larger body lines, more sway, less control, ugg. I grew up on street racing American muscle cars as a non-seat-belted passenger in my father's hot rods, racing light-to-light old-school style. I love the Camaro's and Mustang's he owned, as well as the ones I did when I became of age. But I have no interest in buying American anymore. Its mostly inferior tech and parts. And I dont buy inferior. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Kurt Buffkurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/25 Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.com GSKs business is pharma (and I bet using that word will cause this email to be blocked by some people). They develop, pipeline, and market drugs. Not email. Not collaboration software. IT, other than IT that helps them develop, pipeline, and market drugs isn't their core competency. Let someone who does it well do it for them. That philosophy is what got the US auto industry in heaps of trouble. We design and assemble cars, we don't make car parts is not a viable business model. Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
rofl From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:23 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) A slightly used Subaru! On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Eric Wittersheim ewittersh...@aasmnet.org wrote: I just found 56 in my local area for sale with less than 200k. most have less than 50k. Do I win a prize or something? -Original Message- From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 4:03 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) Agreed. I started wondering why I was paying for a car that wore out after 100K even when I religeously followed the scheduled maintenance. Lifters tapping, a transmission rebuild, head gaskets leaking, etc. I spoke with owners of import cars and they typically didn't have those problems (though I did know a guy who had a Kia in which the transmission failed just after the warranty expired). I just bought a Subaru a few months ago. I love that car. Nothing on the American marketing drives like it. I challenge anyone to find a used Subaru for sale with less than 200K. They are far and few between. And the kicker is, I overheard someone the other day saying how better made American cars are now than in the 70's. And he was right, but they're still not a good as the imports. Who's fault is that? -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?) This is also true, along with the insane unions they suffered with and the financial overhead they represented. All were factors, and all together killed Detroit: Lack of vision and innovation Insane union overhead Outsourcing of too many functions (which I actually consider part of the lack of vision) And there were probably other issues as well, but that probably covers the majority of it. I bought a 2002 Kia Rio Cinco in August of 2002, and it came with a 100k/60k mile warranty. I'm still driving it. It cost me roughly $13k out the door, taxes, licensing, everything (manual transmission, air, no power anything - a very basic car.) I still get 30mpg after 110k miles. Nothing that Detroit built at the time came close at the time, and I doubt anything they sell currently does either, though I haven't looked to say for sure. I'm not looking back either. Kurt On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 13:33, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I have to disagree. I believe its that they dont design and assemble cars well enough (as a whole) is what got them into trouble. As an example, many cars manufactured in the past 5 years still only being good in a straight line with inadequate braking and cornering abilities in comparison to the rest of the world market. Never mind being less fuel efficient. Larger body lines, more sway, less control, ugg. I grew up on street racing American muscle cars as a non-seat-belted passenger in my father's hot rods, racing light-to-light old-school style. I love the Camaro's and Mustang's he owned, as well as the ones I did when I became of age. But I have no interest in buying American anymore. Its mostly inferior tech and parts. And I dont buy inferior. -- ME2 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Kurt Buffkurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/25 Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.com GSKs business is pharma (and I bet using that word will cause this email to be blocked by some people). They develop, pipeline, and market drugs. Not email. Not collaboration software. IT, other than IT that helps them develop, pipeline, and market drugs isn't their core competency. Let someone who does it well do it for them. That philosophy is what got the US auto industry in heaps of trouble. We design and assemble cars, we don't make car parts is not a viable business model. Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Maglinger, Paulpmaglin...@scvl.com wrote: I just bought a Subaru a few months ago. I love that car. I bought my Forrester new in May 2000 and it now has 185K miles on it. I haven't had any surprising problems. The clutch was replaced last year, but at 160K it's not like it owed me anything. The catalytic converter needs to be replaced now to pass emissions; same deal. And it's great in New England snow. I've pulled people out of snowbanks with that little SUV. Plus it gets like 28 MPG highway if you drive conservatively. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
No offense, but I'm trying to picture how would drive a Subura Forrester other than conservatively. :-) - Sean On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Maglinger, Paulpmaglin...@scvl.com wrote: I just bought a Subaru a few months ago. I love that car. I bought my Forrester new in May 2000 and it now has 185K miles on it. I haven't had any surprising problems. The clutch was replaced last year, but at 160K it's not like it owed me anything. The catalytic converter needs to be replaced now to pass emissions; same deal. And it's great in New England snow. I've pulled people out of snowbanks with that little SUV. Plus it gets like 28 MPG highway if you drive conservatively. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: OT: American automotive (was: Is Exchange Doomed?)
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Sean Martinseanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Plus it gets like 28 MPG highway if you drive conservatively. No offense, but I'm trying to picture how would drive a Subura Forrester other than conservatively. :-) Heh. :) It's not a race car by any stretch of the imagination, but it can get out of its own way. It will comfortably do 80 on the highway, once you get up to speed. Amazingly enough, doing 80 MPH in 5th gear yields lower MPG than doing 65 MPH in 5th gear. :-) -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
