Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
But you forgot to mention that you get to give all of your data to someone else. Remember one of the most basic of about security is that you maintain physical control of your data. On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Stephan Barr stephanbarr.li...@gmail.comwrote: Goggle Apps cost $50 per seat, per email address, per year. There are no other costs. For the $50 here's a short list of what you get: - Vanity email address / your.n...@yourdomainname.com - SSL - AntiSpam, AntiVirus - Postini - 25GB of storage per email address On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Dave Wade dave.w...@stockport.gov.ukwrote: Paul, I am a Radio Ham and one of the guys I chat to works in a small (about 25 staff) organization, and has just upgraded his system to Windows/2008r2 and Exchange 2010. When I expressed suprise that he wasn't out sourcing to Google apps or some thing of that ilk he said when costed over 4 years it looked very expensive, especially given the uncertainty in pricing given we work in Sterling... *Dave Wade* *0161 474 5456*** -- *From:* Paul Hutchings *Sent:* Fri 20/08/2010 17:13 *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. I've never really seen it as Google vs. Exchange tbh, I think both do different things and suit different needs. Office with half a dozen people and no real IT need or infrastructure and I think I'd find it hard to see past Google Apps or Hosted Exchange, even scaled up to a couple dozen staff and a single server I'm not sure Exchange would be first choice simply because if nothing else you do need to back it up and someone needs to ensure that happens. On the other hand, if you have a few dozen or a few hundred users and have even a modest investment in things like a SAN or vmware and decent connectivity and someone with IT knowledge then I'm not sure it's so easy a decision. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:jasongu...@npumail.com] Sent: 20 August 2010 13:23 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Would definitely be interested in some details as far as client size, feature usage (shared calendars, contacts, etc...), and the technical level of the users. It seems from past things I've read, the service is better suited to companies with a greater proportion of more savvy users. Jason -Original Message- From: Stephan Barr [mailto:stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 19:14 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Maybe you haven't used it recently. Groups do not count as email addresses and meet the need of distribution lists and shared boxes. definitely different cost model. Per each client they will save thousands per year. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Duncan Turnbull dun...@e-simple.co.nz wrote: There is a different cost model here, and some limitations but various upsides One big issue I see is if you have lots of shared mailboxes e.g. for client projects or other reasons then you have to pay for all of those as a license, as always it will be horses for courses What about Microsoft Live Cheers Duncan On 20/08/2010, at 9:59 AM, Stephan Barr wrote: Super easy. Customers love it. -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England. Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 114 5409 96 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ** Stockport Council - providing over 600 different services to local people . More information on http://www.stockport.gov.uk/boost (free internet access is available at all Stockport libraries) This email, and any files transmitted with it, is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. As a public body, the Council may be required to disclose this email, or any response to it, under the Freedom of Information Act 2000, unless the information in it is covered by one of the exemptions in the Act. If you receive this email in error please notify Stockport ICT, Business Services via email.qu...@stockport.gov.uk and then permanently remove it from your system. Thank you. http://www.stockport.gov.uk **
RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
Actually Google's TC's are quite interesting, I'm surprised people are so willing to agree to them when it comes to their company data. From: Hank . [mailto:hgedr...@gmail.com] Sent: 22 August 2010 12:50 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. But you forgot to mention that you get to give all of your data to someone else. Remember one of the most basic of about security is that you maintain physical control of your data. On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Stephan Barr stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com wrote: Goggle Apps cost $50 per seat, per email address, per year. There are no other costs. For the $50 here's a short list of what you get: * Vanity email address / your.n...@yourdomainname.com * SSL * AntiSpam, AntiVirus * Postini * 25GB of storage per email address On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Dave Wade dave.w...@stockport.gov.uk wrote: Paul, I am a Radio Ham and one of the guys I chat to works in a small (about 25 staff) organization, and has just upgraded his system to Windows/2008r2 and Exchange 2010. When I expressed suprise that he wasn't out sourcing to Google apps or some thing of that ilk he said when costed over 4 years it looked very expensive, especially given the uncertainty in pricing given we work in Sterling... Dave Wade 0161 474 5456 From: Paul Hutchings Sent: Fri 20/08/2010 17:13 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. I've never really seen it as Google vs. Exchange tbh, I think both do different things and suit different needs. Office with half a dozen people and no real IT need or infrastructure and I think I'd find it hard to see past Google Apps or Hosted Exchange, even scaled up to a couple dozen staff and a single server I'm not sure Exchange would be first choice simply because if nothing else you do need to back it up and someone needs to ensure that happens. On the other hand, if you have a few dozen or a few hundred users and have even a modest investment in things like a SAN or vmware and decent connectivity and someone with IT knowledge then I'm not sure it's so easy a decision. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:jasongu...@npumail.com] Sent: 20 August 2010 13:23 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Would definitely be interested in some details as far as client size, feature usage (shared calendars, contacts, etc...), and the technical level of the users. It seems from past things I've read, the service is better suited to companies with a greater proportion of more savvy users. Jason -Original Message- From: Stephan Barr [mailto:stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 19:14 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Maybe you haven't used it recently. Groups do not count as email addresses and meet the need of distribution lists and shared boxes. definitely different cost model. Per each client they will save thousands per year. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Duncan Turnbull dun...@e-simple.co.nz wrote: There is a different cost model here, and some limitations but various upsides One big issue I see is if you have lots of shared mailboxes e.g. for client projects or other reasons then you have to pay for all of those as a license, as always it will be horses for courses What about Microsoft Live Cheers Duncan On 20/08/2010, at 9:59 AM, Stephan Barr wrote: Super easy. Customers love it. -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England. Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 114 5409 96 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ** Stockport Council - providing over 600 different services to local people . More information on http://www.stockport.gov.uk/boost (free internet access is available at all Stockport libraries) This email, and any files transmitted with it, is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. As a public body, the Council may be required to disclose this email, or any response to it, under the Freedom of Information Act 2000, unless the information in it is covered by one of the exemptions in the Act. If you receive this email in error please notify Stockport ICT, Business
RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
True to a point. Let's face it, the cloud is here and one way or another you are going to end up there. Either you get on board or your CFO will for you. I will say if we were not a VAR, didn't have access to outstanding hardware, and didn't eat our own dogfood, I would put Exchange in the cloud in a heartbeat. Besides how many of us are in there already? Who uses Salesforce or Netsuite or some other such service? Online marketing, etc. How many of us at home are backing up to the cloud? From: Hank . [mailto:hgedr...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 4:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. But you forgot to mention that you get to give all of your data to someone else. Remember one of the most basic of about security is that you maintain physical control of your data. On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Stephan Barr stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com wrote: Goggle Apps cost $50 per seat, per email address, per year. There are no other costs. For the $50 here's a short list of what you get: * Vanity email address / your.n...@yourdomainname.com * SSL * AntiSpam, AntiVirus * Postini * 25GB of storage per email address On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Dave Wade dave.w...@stockport.gov.uk wrote: Paul, I am a Radio Ham and one of the guys I chat to works in a small (about 25 staff) organization, and has just upgraded his system to Windows/2008r2 and Exchange 2010. When I expressed suprise that he wasn't out sourcing to Google apps or some thing of that ilk he said when costed over 4 years it looked very expensive, especially given the uncertainty in pricing given we work in Sterling... Dave Wade 0161 474 5456 _ From: Paul Hutchings Sent: Fri 20/08/2010 17:13 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. I've never really seen it as Google vs. Exchange tbh, I think both do different things and suit different needs. Office with half a dozen people and no real IT need or infrastructure and I think I'd find it hard to see past Google Apps or Hosted Exchange, even scaled up to a couple dozen staff and a single server I'm not sure Exchange would be first choice simply because if nothing else you do need to back it up and someone needs to ensure that happens. On the other hand, if you have a few dozen or a few hundred users and have even a modest investment in things like a SAN or vmware and decent connectivity and someone with IT knowledge then I'm not sure it's so easy a decision. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:jasongu...@npumail.com] Sent: 20 August 2010 13:23 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Would definitely be interested in some details as far as client size, feature usage (shared calendars, contacts, etc...), and the technical level of the users. It seems from past things I've read, the service is better suited to companies with a greater proportion of more savvy users. Jason -Original Message- From: Stephan Barr [mailto:stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 19:14 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Maybe you haven't used it recently. Groups do not count as email addresses and meet the need of distribution lists and shared boxes. definitely different cost model. Per each client they will save thousands per year. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Duncan Turnbull dun...@e-simple.co.nz wrote: There is a different cost model here, and some limitations but various upsides One big issue I see is if you have lots of shared mailboxes e.g. for client projects or other reasons then you have to pay for all of those as a license, as always it will be horses for courses What about Microsoft Live Cheers Duncan On 20/08/2010, at 9:59 AM, Stephan Barr wrote: Super easy. Customers love it. -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England. Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 114 5409 96 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ** Stockport Council - providing over 600 different services to local people . More information on http://www.stockport.gov.uk/boost (free internet access is available at all Stockport libraries) This email, and any files transmitted with it, is confidential and intended solely
RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
Oh yes! And not to just anyone, the biggest data miners in the world. From: Hank . [mailto:hgedr...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 4:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. But you forgot to mention that you get to give all of your data to someone else. Remember one of the most basic of about security is that you maintain physical control of your data. On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Stephan Barr stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com wrote: Goggle Apps cost $50 per seat, per email address, per year. There are no other costs. For the $50 here's a short list of what you get: * Vanity email address / your.n...@yourdomainname.com * SSL * AntiSpam, AntiVirus * Postini * 25GB of storage per email address On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Dave Wade dave.w...@stockport.gov.uk wrote: Paul, I am a Radio Ham and one of the guys I chat to works in a small (about 25 staff) organization, and has just upgraded his system to Windows/2008r2 and Exchange 2010. When I expressed suprise that he wasn't out sourcing to Google apps or some thing of that ilk he said when costed over 4 years it looked very expensive, especially given the uncertainty in pricing given we work in Sterling... Dave Wade 0161 474 5456 _ From: Paul Hutchings Sent: Fri 20/08/2010 17:13 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. I've never really seen it as Google vs. Exchange tbh, I think both do different things and suit different needs. Office with half a dozen people and no real IT need or infrastructure and I think I'd find it hard to see past Google Apps or Hosted Exchange, even scaled up to a couple dozen staff and a single server I'm not sure Exchange would be first choice simply because if nothing else you do need to back it up and someone needs to ensure that happens. On the other hand, if you have a few dozen or a few hundred users and have even a modest investment in things like a SAN or vmware and decent connectivity and someone with IT knowledge then I'm not sure it's so easy a decision. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:jasongu...@npumail.com] Sent: 20 August 2010 13:23 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Would definitely be interested in some details as far as client size, feature usage (shared calendars, contacts, etc...), and the technical level of the users. It seems from past things I've read, the service is better suited to companies with a greater proportion of more savvy users. Jason -Original Message- From: Stephan Barr [mailto:stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 19:14 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Maybe you haven't used it recently. Groups do not count as email addresses and meet the need of distribution lists and shared boxes. definitely different cost model. Per each client they will save thousands per year. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Duncan Turnbull dun...@e-simple.co.nz wrote: There is a different cost model here, and some limitations but various upsides One big issue I see is if you have lots of shared mailboxes e.g. for client projects or other reasons then you have to pay for all of those as a license, as always it will be horses for courses What about Microsoft Live Cheers Duncan On 20/08/2010, at 9:59 AM, Stephan Barr wrote: Super easy. Customers love it. -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England. Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 114 5409 96 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ** Stockport Council - providing over 600 different services to local people . More information on http://www.stockport.gov.uk/boost (free internet access is available at all Stockport libraries) This email, and any files transmitted with it, is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. As a public body, the Council may be required to disclose this email, or any response to it, under the Freedom of Information Act 2000, unless the information in it is covered by one of the exemptions in the Act. If you receive this email in error please notify Stockport ICT, Business Services via email.qu...@stockport.gov.uk and then permanently remove it
RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
Is there some evidence to indicate that if one uses Google to host their data, they're agreeing to allow Google to use their data? We use Google/Postini to archive our e-mail, and I saw nothing in our contract that would make the mining of our data by Google acceptable. And while I'm reasonably confident that our network is secure, I'll readily admit that Google's is very likely more secure than ours. In all honesty, our data is likely safer within their infrastructure than within our own. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.ushttp://www.taylor.k12.fl.us From: Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 12:48 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Oh yes! And not to just anyone, the biggest data miners in the world. From: Hank . [mailto:hgedr...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 4:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. But you forgot to mention that you get to give all of your data to someone else. Remember one of the most basic of about security is that you maintain physical control of your data. On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Stephan Barr stephanbarr.li...@gmail.commailto:stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com wrote: Goggle Apps cost $50 per seat, per email address, per year. There are no other costs. For the $50 here's a short list of what you get: * Vanity email address / your.n...@yourdomainname.commailto:your.n...@yourdomainname.com * SSL * AntiSpam, AntiVirus * Postini * 25GB of storage per email address On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Dave Wade dave.w...@stockport.gov.ukmailto:dave.w...@stockport.gov.uk wrote: Paul, I am a Radio Ham and one of the guys I chat to works in a small (about 25 staff) organization, and has just upgraded his system to Windows/2008r2 and Exchange 2010. When I expressed suprise that he wasn't out sourcing to Google apps or some thing of that ilk he said when costed over 4 years it looked very expensive, especially given the uncertainty in pricing given we work in Sterling... Dave Wade 0161 474 5456 From: Paul Hutchings Sent: Fri 20/08/2010 17:13 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. I've never really seen it as Google vs. Exchange tbh, I think both do different things and suit different needs. Office with half a dozen people and no real IT need or infrastructure and I think I'd find it hard to see past Google Apps or Hosted Exchange, even scaled up to a couple dozen staff and a single server I'm not sure Exchange would be first choice simply because if nothing else you do need to back it up and someone needs to ensure that happens. On the other hand, if you have a few dozen or a few hundred users and have even a modest investment in things like a SAN or vmware and decent connectivity and someone with IT knowledge then I'm not sure it's so easy a decision. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:jasongu...@npumail.commailto:jasongu...@npumail.com] Sent: 20 August 2010 13:23 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Would definitely be interested in some details as far as client size, feature usage (shared calendars, contacts, etc...), and the technical level of the users. It seems from past things I've read, the service is better suited to companies with a greater proportion of more savvy users. Jason -Original Message- From: Stephan Barr [mailto:stephanbarr.li...@gmail.commailto:stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 19:14 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Maybe you haven't used it recently. Groups do not count as email addresses and meet the need of distribution lists and shared boxes. definitely different cost model. Per each client they will save thousands per year. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Duncan Turnbull dun...@e-simple.co.nzmailto:dun...@e-simple.co.nz wrote: There is a different cost model here, and some limitations but various upsides One big issue I see is if you have lots of shared mailboxes e.g. for client projects or other reasons then you have to pay for all of those as a license, as always it will be horses for courses What about Microsoft Live Cheers Duncan On 20/08/2010, at 9:59 AM, Stephan Barr wrote: Super easy. Customers love it. -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England. Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 114 5409 96 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are
Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
+1 On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 1:15 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: Is there some evidence to indicate that if one uses Google to host their data, they’re agreeing to allow Google to use their data? We use Google/Postini to archive our e-mail, and I saw nothing in our contract that would make the mining of our data by Google acceptable. And while I’m reasonably confident that our network is secure, I’ll readily admit that Google’s is very likely more secure than ours. In all honesty, our data is likely safer within their infrastructure than within our own. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us *From:* Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com] *Sent:* Sunday, August 22, 2010 12:48 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Oh yes! And not to just anyone, the biggest data miners in the world. *From:* Hank . [mailto:hgedr...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Sunday, August 22, 2010 4:50 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. But you forgot to mention that you get to give all of your data to someone else. Remember one of the most basic of about security is that you maintain physical control of your data. On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Stephan Barr stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com wrote: Goggle Apps cost $50 per seat, per email address, per year. There are no other costs. For the $50 here's a short list of what you get: - Vanity email address / your.n...@yourdomainname.com - SSL - AntiSpam, AntiVirus - Postini - 25GB of storage per email address On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Dave Wade dave.w...@stockport.gov.uk wrote: Paul, I am a Radio Ham and one of the guys I chat to works in a small (about 25 staff) organization, and has just upgraded his system to Windows/2008r2 and Exchange 2010. When I expressed suprise that he wasn't out sourcing to Google apps or some thing of that ilk he said when costed over 4 years it looked very expensive, especially given the uncertainty in pricing given we work in Sterling... *Dave Wade* *0161 474 5456* -- *From:* Paul Hutchings *Sent:* Fri 20/08/2010 17:13 *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. I've never really seen it as Google vs. Exchange tbh, I think both do different things and suit different needs. Office with half a dozen people and no real IT need or infrastructure and I think I'd find it hard to see past Google Apps or Hosted Exchange, even scaled up to a couple dozen staff and a single server I'm not sure Exchange would be first choice simply because if nothing else you do need to back it up and someone needs to ensure that happens. On the other hand, if you have a few dozen or a few hundred users and have even a modest investment in things like a SAN or vmware and decent connectivity and someone with IT knowledge then I'm not sure it's so easy a decision. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:jasongu...@npumail.com] Sent: 20 August 2010 13:23 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Would definitely be interested in some details as far as client size, feature usage (shared calendars, contacts, etc...), and the technical level of the users. It seems from past things I've read, the service is better suited to companies with a greater proportion of more savvy users. Jason -Original Message- From: Stephan Barr [mailto:stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 19:14 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Maybe you haven't used it recently. Groups do not count as email addresses and meet the need of distribution lists and shared boxes. definitely different cost model. Per each client they will save thousands per year. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Duncan Turnbull dun...@e-simple.co.nz wrote: There is a different cost model here, and some limitations but various upsides One big issue I see is if you have lots of shared mailboxes e.g. for client projects or other reasons then you have to pay for all of those as a license, as always it will be horses for courses What about Microsoft Live Cheers Duncan On 20/08/2010, at 9:59 AM, Stephan Barr wrote: Super easy. Customers love it. -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England. Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 114 5409 96 The contents of
Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
My customers are (always) looking for ways to save money on IT and this qualifies. On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Stephan Barr stephanbarr.li...@gmail.comwrote: +1 On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 1:15 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: Is there some evidence to indicate that if one uses Google to host their data, they’re agreeing to allow Google to use their data? We use Google/Postini to archive our e-mail, and I saw nothing in our contract that would make the mining of our data by Google acceptable. And while I’m reasonably confident that our network is secure, I’ll readily admit that Google’s is very likely more secure than ours. In all honesty, our data is likely safer within their infrastructure than within our own. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us *From:* Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com] *Sent:* Sunday, August 22, 2010 12:48 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Oh yes! And not to just anyone, the biggest data miners in the world. *From:* Hank . [mailto:hgedr...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Sunday, August 22, 2010 4:50 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. But you forgot to mention that you get to give all of your data to someone else. Remember one of the most basic of about security is that you maintain physical control of your data. On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Stephan Barr stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com wrote: Goggle Apps cost $50 per seat, per email address, per year. There are no other costs. For the $50 here's a short list of what you get: - Vanity email address / your.n...@yourdomainname.com - SSL - AntiSpam, AntiVirus - Postini - 25GB of storage per email address On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Dave Wade dave.w...@stockport.gov.uk wrote: Paul, I am a Radio Ham and one of the guys I chat to works in a small (about 25 staff) organization, and has just upgraded his system to Windows/2008r2 and Exchange 2010. When I expressed suprise that he wasn't out sourcing to Google apps or some thing of that ilk he said when costed over 4 years it looked very expensive, especially given the uncertainty in pricing given we work in Sterling... *Dave Wade* *0161 474 5456* -- *From:* Paul Hutchings *Sent:* Fri 20/08/2010 17:13 *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. I've never really seen it as Google vs. Exchange tbh, I think both do different things and suit different needs. Office with half a dozen people and no real IT need or infrastructure and I think I'd find it hard to see past Google Apps or Hosted Exchange, even scaled up to a couple dozen staff and a single server I'm not sure Exchange would be first choice simply because if nothing else you do need to back it up and someone needs to ensure that happens. On the other hand, if you have a few dozen or a few hundred users and have even a modest investment in things like a SAN or vmware and decent connectivity and someone with IT knowledge then I'm not sure it's so easy a decision. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:jasongu...@npumail.com] Sent: 20 August 2010 13:23 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Would definitely be interested in some details as far as client size, feature usage (shared calendars, contacts, etc...), and the technical level of the users. It seems from past things I've read, the service is better suited to companies with a greater proportion of more savvy users. Jason -Original Message- From: Stephan Barr [mailto:stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 19:14 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Maybe you haven't used it recently. Groups do not count as email addresses and meet the need of distribution lists and shared boxes. definitely different cost model. Per each client they will save thousands per year. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Duncan Turnbull dun...@e-simple.co.nz wrote: There is a different cost model here, and some limitations but various upsides One big issue I see is if you have lots of shared mailboxes e.g. for client projects or other reasons then you have to pay for all of those as a license, as always it will be horses for courses What about Microsoft Live Cheers Duncan On 20/08/2010, at 9:59 AM, Stephan Barr wrote: Super easy. Customers love it. -- MIRA
RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
Would you trust the fox in the hen house? From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 11:16 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Is there some evidence to indicate that if one uses Google to host their data, they're agreeing to allow Google to use their data? We use Google/Postini to archive our e-mail, and I saw nothing in our contract that would make the mining of our data by Google acceptable. And while I'm reasonably confident that our network is secure, I'll readily admit that Google's is very likely more secure than ours. In all honesty, our data is likely safer within their infrastructure than within our own. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us From: Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 12:48 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Oh yes! And not to just anyone, the biggest data miners in the world. From: Hank . [mailto:hgedr...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 4:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. But you forgot to mention that you get to give all of your data to someone else. Remember one of the most basic of about security is that you maintain physical control of your data. On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Stephan Barr stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com wrote: Goggle Apps cost $50 per seat, per email address, per year. There are no other costs. For the $50 here's a short list of what you get: * Vanity email address / your.n...@yourdomainname.com * SSL * AntiSpam, AntiVirus * Postini * 25GB of storage per email address On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Dave Wade dave.w...@stockport.gov.uk wrote: Paul, I am a Radio Ham and one of the guys I chat to works in a small (about 25 staff) organization, and has just upgraded his system to Windows/2008r2 and Exchange 2010. When I expressed suprise that he wasn't out sourcing to Google apps or some thing of that ilk he said when costed over 4 years it looked very expensive, especially given the uncertainty in pricing given we work in Sterling... Dave Wade 0161 474 5456 _ From: Paul Hutchings Sent: Fri 20/08/2010 17:13 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. I've never really seen it as Google vs. Exchange tbh, I think both do different things and suit different needs. Office with half a dozen people and no real IT need or infrastructure and I think I'd find it hard to see past Google Apps or Hosted Exchange, even scaled up to a couple dozen staff and a single server I'm not sure Exchange would be first choice simply because if nothing else you do need to back it up and someone needs to ensure that happens. On the other hand, if you have a few dozen or a few hundred users and have even a modest investment in things like a SAN or vmware and decent connectivity and someone with IT knowledge then I'm not sure it's so easy a decision. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:jasongu...@npumail.com] Sent: 20 August 2010 13:23 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Would definitely be interested in some details as far as client size, feature usage (shared calendars, contacts, etc...), and the technical level of the users. It seems from past things I've read, the service is better suited to companies with a greater proportion of more savvy users. Jason -Original Message- From: Stephan Barr [mailto:stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 19:14 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Maybe you haven't used it recently. Groups do not count as email addresses and meet the need of distribution lists and shared boxes. definitely different cost model. Per each client they will save thousands per year. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Duncan Turnbull dun...@e-simple.co.nz wrote: There is a different cost model here, and some limitations but various upsides One big issue I see is if you have lots of shared mailboxes e.g. for client projects or other reasons then you have to pay for all of those as a license, as always it will be horses for courses What about Microsoft Live Cheers Duncan On 20/08/2010, at 9:59 AM, Stephan Barr wrote: Super easy. Customers love it. -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England. Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 114 5409 96 The contents of this e-mail
Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
You are already trusting your ISP and inherently their ISP and so on. but that's not the issue: The issue is cloud computing is cheaper,less complicated,arguably as secure,lighter,more portable and almost anyone can configure it. Do the math. On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Matt Moore mattmoore...@hotmail.comwrote: Would you trust the fox in the hen house? *From:* John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] *Sent:* Sunday, August 22, 2010 11:16 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Is there some evidence to indicate that if one uses Google to host their data, they’re agreeing to allow Google to use their data? We use Google/Postini to archive our e-mail, and I saw nothing in our contract that would make the mining of our data by Google acceptable. And while I’m reasonably confident that our network is secure, I’ll readily admit that Google’s is very likely more secure than ours. In all honesty, our data is likely safer within their infrastructure than within our own. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us *From:* Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com] *Sent:* Sunday, August 22, 2010 12:48 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Oh yes! And not to just anyone, the biggest data miners in the world. *From:* Hank . [mailto:hgedr...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Sunday, August 22, 2010 4:50 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. But you forgot to mention that you get to give all of your data to someone else. Remember one of the most basic of about security is that you maintain physical control of your data. On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Stephan Barr stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com wrote: Goggle Apps cost $50 per seat, per email address, per year. There are no other costs. For the $50 here's a short list of what you get: - Vanity email address / your.n...@yourdomainname.com - SSL - AntiSpam, AntiVirus - Postini - 25GB of storage per email address On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Dave Wade dave.w...@stockport.gov.uk wrote: Paul, I am a Radio Ham and one of the guys I chat to works in a small (about 25 staff) organization, and has just upgraded his system to Windows/2008r2 and Exchange 2010. When I expressed suprise that he wasn't out sourcing to Google apps or some thing of that ilk he said when costed over 4 years it looked very expensive, especially given the uncertainty in pricing given we work in Sterling... *Dave Wade* *0161 474 5456* -- *From:* Paul Hutchings *Sent:* Fri 20/08/2010 17:13 *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. I've never really seen it as Google vs. Exchange tbh, I think both do different things and suit different needs. Office with half a dozen people and no real IT need or infrastructure and I think I'd find it hard to see past Google Apps or Hosted Exchange, even scaled up to a couple dozen staff and a single server I'm not sure Exchange would be first choice simply because if nothing else you do need to back it up and someone needs to ensure that happens. On the other hand, if you have a few dozen or a few hundred users and have even a modest investment in things like a SAN or vmware and decent connectivity and someone with IT knowledge then I'm not sure it's so easy a decision. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:jasongu...@npumail.com] Sent: 20 August 2010 13:23 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Would definitely be interested in some details as far as client size, feature usage (shared calendars, contacts, etc...), and the technical level of the users. It seems from past things I've read, the service is better suited to companies with a greater proportion of more savvy users. Jason -Original Message- From: Stephan Barr [mailto:stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 19:14 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Maybe you haven't used it recently. Groups do not count as email addresses and meet the need of distribution lists and shared boxes. definitely different cost model. Per each client they will save thousands per year. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Duncan Turnbull dun...@e-simple.co.nz wrote: There is a different cost model here, and some limitations but various upsides One big issue I see is if you have lots of shared mailboxes e.g.
RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
+1 I have clients on SBS 2003 and there aren't any of them that I spend more than 1-2hrs/yr on Exchange specific stuff (I doubt it comes to even that much). probably 90% of clients' IT costs are on the workstation side. E-mail antispam/antivirus cost is a good point but for my clients that cost comes out to about $10/seat/yr. I'd estimate for a given year for my biggest client (55 users) Exchange-related costs (what GoogleApps would replace) comes to $10/seat/yr, and smaller clients are about the same. Dave From: Matt Moore [mattmoore...@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 10:08 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Well most of the quotes I’ve had from services providers is more in the $20 to $25 range for starters. Even at that price I have dozen clients that have SBS on machines leased from Dell with the software on the lease too. Once they’re set up, setup correctly, very little maint is needed. I pop in remotely for a ½ hour every three months. If you do a plain jane setup there’s nothing to manage, it just runs. Been doing it for years, no problems. From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 10:00 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. I’m not sure it’s outrageous tbh, considering with Exchange you have a CAL cost, an Antispam cost, an antivirus cost and (the expensive part) the costs of having someone take care of it – it’s the last part that I expect is the issue for a lot of small businesses. From: Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com] Sent: 21 August 2010 17:57 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Wow that’s pretty steep for the service they provide……. $50 a seat, really From: stephan.b...@bdtechnology.org [mailto:stephan.b...@bdtechnology.org] On Behalf Of Stephan Barr Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 9:32 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Goggle Apps cost $50 per seat, per email address, per year. There are no other costs. For the $50 here's a short list of what you get: * Vanity email address / your.n...@yourdomainname.commailto:your.n...@yourdomainname.com * SSL * AntiSpam, AntiVirus * Postini * 25GB of storage per email address On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Dave Wade dave.w...@stockport.gov.ukmailto:dave.w...@stockport.gov.uk wrote: Paul, I am a Radio Ham and one of the guys I chat to works in a small (about 25 staff) organization, and has just upgraded his system to Windows/2008r2 and Exchange 2010. When I expressed suprise that he wasn't out sourcing to Google apps or some thing of that ilk he said when costed over 4 years it looked very expensive, especially given the uncertainty in pricing given we work in Sterling... Dave Wade 0161 474 5456 From: Paul Hutchings Sent: Fri 20/08/2010 17:13 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. I've never really seen it as Google vs. Exchange tbh, I think both do different things and suit different needs. Office with half a dozen people and no real IT need or infrastructure and I think I'd find it hard to see past Google Apps or Hosted Exchange, even scaled up to a couple dozen staff and a single server I'm not sure Exchange would be first choice simply because if nothing else you do need to back it up and someone needs to ensure that happens. On the other hand, if you have a few dozen or a few hundred users and have even a modest investment in things like a SAN or vmware and decent connectivity and someone with IT knowledge then I'm not sure it's so easy a decision. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:jasongu...@npumail.commailto:jasongu...@npumail.com] Sent: 20 August 2010 13:23 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Would definitely be interested in some details as far as client size, feature usage (shared calendars, contacts, etc...), and the technical level of the users. It seems from past things I've read, the service is better suited to companies with a greater proportion of more savvy users. Jason -Original Message- From: Stephan Barr [mailto:stephanbarr.li...@gmail.commailto:stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 19:14 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Maybe you haven't used it recently. Groups do not count as email addresses and meet the need of distribution lists and shared boxes. definitely different cost model. Per each client they will save thousands
RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
When it comes to the theft or unintentional leaking of data, most of the foxes are already in the henhouse because they're internal users. John From: Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 3:45 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Would you trust the fox in the hen house? From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 11:16 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Is there some evidence to indicate that if one uses Google to host their data, they're agreeing to allow Google to use their data? We use Google/Postini to archive our e-mail, and I saw nothing in our contract that would make the mining of our data by Google acceptable. And while I'm reasonably confident that our network is secure, I'll readily admit that Google's is very likely more secure than ours. In all honesty, our data is likely safer within their infrastructure than within our own. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.ushttp://www.taylor.k12.fl.us From: Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 12:48 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Oh yes! And not to just anyone, the biggest data miners in the world. From: Hank . [mailto:hgedr...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 4:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. But you forgot to mention that you get to give all of your data to someone else. Remember one of the most basic of about security is that you maintain physical control of your data. On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Stephan Barr stephanbarr.li...@gmail.commailto:stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com wrote: Goggle Apps cost $50 per seat, per email address, per year. There are no other costs. For the $50 here's a short list of what you get: * Vanity email address / your.n...@yourdomainname.commailto:your.n...@yourdomainname.com * SSL * AntiSpam, AntiVirus * Postini * 25GB of storage per email address On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Dave Wade dave.w...@stockport.gov.ukmailto:dave.w...@stockport.gov.uk wrote: Paul, I am a Radio Ham and one of the guys I chat to works in a small (about 25 staff) organization, and has just upgraded his system to Windows/2008r2 and Exchange 2010. When I expressed suprise that he wasn't out sourcing to Google apps or some thing of that ilk he said when costed over 4 years it looked very expensive, especially given the uncertainty in pricing given we work in Sterling... Dave Wade 0161 474 5456 From: Paul Hutchings Sent: Fri 20/08/2010 17:13 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. I've never really seen it as Google vs. Exchange tbh, I think both do different things and suit different needs. Office with half a dozen people and no real IT need or infrastructure and I think I'd find it hard to see past Google Apps or Hosted Exchange, even scaled up to a couple dozen staff and a single server I'm not sure Exchange would be first choice simply because if nothing else you do need to back it up and someone needs to ensure that happens. On the other hand, if you have a few dozen or a few hundred users and have even a modest investment in things like a SAN or vmware and decent connectivity and someone with IT knowledge then I'm not sure it's so easy a decision. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:jasongu...@npumail.commailto:jasongu...@npumail.com] Sent: 20 August 2010 13:23 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Would definitely be interested in some details as far as client size, feature usage (shared calendars, contacts, etc...), and the technical level of the users. It seems from past things I've read, the service is better suited to companies with a greater proportion of more savvy users. Jason -Original Message- From: Stephan Barr [mailto:stephanbarr.li...@gmail.commailto:stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 19:14 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Maybe you haven't used it recently. Groups do not count as email addresses and meet the need of distribution lists and shared boxes. definitely different cost model. Per each client they will save thousands per year. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Duncan Turnbull dun...@e-simple.co.nzmailto:dun...@e-simple.co.nz wrote: There is a different cost model here, and some limitations but various upsides
RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
As always it boils down to a personal choice. If you feel good about advising others to use them, then do it. In all the dealings I've had with them, I'd rather not. From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 3:05 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. When it comes to the theft or unintentional leaking of data, most of the foxes are already in the henhouse because they're internal users. John From: Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 3:45 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Would you trust the fox in the hen house? From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 11:16 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Is there some evidence to indicate that if one uses Google to host their data, they're agreeing to allow Google to use their data? We use Google/Postini to archive our e-mail, and I saw nothing in our contract that would make the mining of our data by Google acceptable. And while I'm reasonably confident that our network is secure, I'll readily admit that Google's is very likely more secure than ours. In all honesty, our data is likely safer within their infrastructure than within our own. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us From: Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 12:48 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Oh yes! And not to just anyone, the biggest data miners in the world. From: Hank . [mailto:hgedr...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 4:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. But you forgot to mention that you get to give all of your data to someone else. Remember one of the most basic of about security is that you maintain physical control of your data. On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Stephan Barr stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com wrote: Goggle Apps cost $50 per seat, per email address, per year. There are no other costs. For the $50 here's a short list of what you get: * Vanity email address / your.n...@yourdomainname.com * SSL * AntiSpam, AntiVirus * Postini * 25GB of storage per email address On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Dave Wade dave.w...@stockport.gov.uk wrote: Paul, I am a Radio Ham and one of the guys I chat to works in a small (about 25 staff) organization, and has just upgraded his system to Windows/2008r2 and Exchange 2010. When I expressed suprise that he wasn't out sourcing to Google apps or some thing of that ilk he said when costed over 4 years it looked very expensive, especially given the uncertainty in pricing given we work in Sterling... Dave Wade 0161 474 5456 _ From: Paul Hutchings Sent: Fri 20/08/2010 17:13 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. I've never really seen it as Google vs. Exchange tbh, I think both do different things and suit different needs. Office with half a dozen people and no real IT need or infrastructure and I think I'd find it hard to see past Google Apps or Hosted Exchange, even scaled up to a couple dozen staff and a single server I'm not sure Exchange would be first choice simply because if nothing else you do need to back it up and someone needs to ensure that happens. On the other hand, if you have a few dozen or a few hundred users and have even a modest investment in things like a SAN or vmware and decent connectivity and someone with IT knowledge then I'm not sure it's so easy a decision. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:jasongu...@npumail.com] Sent: 20 August 2010 13:23 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Would definitely be interested in some details as far as client size, feature usage (shared calendars, contacts, etc...), and the technical level of the users. It seems from past things I've read, the service is better suited to companies with a greater proportion of more savvy users. Jason -Original Message- From: Stephan Barr [mailto:stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 19:14 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Maybe you haven't used it recently. Groups do not count as email addresses and meet the need of distribution lists and shared boxes. definitely different cost model. Per each client they will save
RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
Well said Dark-rock. :) To give you a different perspective, Peak 10 has been doing cloud for a little over four years and the adoption rate is incredible. $SMBs to $Fortune200s (I deal with them all) are sick of capital outlay for hardware, they're tired of the of the IT cycle and just want their stuff to work and be available with an SLA. I don't want to turn this into a pitch, out of respect for my favorite list but I felt lead to mention it from the MSP side of the house. Shook From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 10:28 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. True to a point. Let's face it, the cloud is here and one way or another you are going to end up there. Either you get on board or your CFO will for you. I will say if we were not a VAR, didn't have access to outstanding hardware, and didn't eat our own dogfood, I would put Exchange in the cloud in a heartbeat. Besides how many of us are in there already? Who uses Salesforce or Netsuite or some other such service? Online marketing, etc. How many of us at home are backing up to the cloud? From: Hank . [mailto:hgedr...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 4:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. But you forgot to mention that you get to give all of your data to someone else. Remember one of the most basic of about security is that you maintain physical control of your data. On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Stephan Barr stephanbarr.li...@gmail.commailto:stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com wrote: Goggle Apps cost $50 per seat, per email address, per year. There are no other costs. For the $50 here's a short list of what you get: * Vanity email address / your.n...@yourdomainname.commailto:your.n...@yourdomainname.com * SSL * AntiSpam, AntiVirus * Postini * 25GB of storage per email address On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Dave Wade dave.w...@stockport.gov.ukmailto:dave.w...@stockport.gov.uk wrote: Paul, I am a Radio Ham and one of the guys I chat to works in a small (about 25 staff) organization, and has just upgraded his system to Windows/2008r2 and Exchange 2010. When I expressed suprise that he wasn't out sourcing to Google apps or some thing of that ilk he said when costed over 4 years it looked very expensive, especially given the uncertainty in pricing given we work in Sterling... Dave Wade 0161 474 5456 From: Paul Hutchings Sent: Fri 20/08/2010 17:13 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. I've never really seen it as Google vs. Exchange tbh, I think both do different things and suit different needs. Office with half a dozen people and no real IT need or infrastructure and I think I'd find it hard to see past Google Apps or Hosted Exchange, even scaled up to a couple dozen staff and a single server I'm not sure Exchange would be first choice simply because if nothing else you do need to back it up and someone needs to ensure that happens. On the other hand, if you have a few dozen or a few hundred users and have even a modest investment in things like a SAN or vmware and decent connectivity and someone with IT knowledge then I'm not sure it's so easy a decision. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:jasongu...@npumail.commailto:jasongu...@npumail.com] Sent: 20 August 2010 13:23 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Would definitely be interested in some details as far as client size, feature usage (shared calendars, contacts, etc...), and the technical level of the users. It seems from past things I've read, the service is better suited to companies with a greater proportion of more savvy users. Jason -Original Message- From: Stephan Barr [mailto:stephanbarr.li...@gmail.commailto:stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 19:14 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Maybe you haven't used it recently. Groups do not count as email addresses and meet the need of distribution lists and shared boxes. definitely different cost model. Per each client they will save thousands per year. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Duncan Turnbull dun...@e-simple.co.nzmailto:dun...@e-simple.co.nz wrote: There is a different cost model here, and some limitations but various upsides One big issue I see is if you have lots of shared mailboxes e.g. for client projects or other reasons then you have to pay for all of those as a license, as always it will be horses for courses What about Microsoft Live Cheers Duncan On
RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
Paul, I am a Radio Ham and one of the guys I chat to works in a small (about 25 staff) organization, and has just upgraded his system to Windows/2008r2 and Exchange 2010. When I expressed suprise that he wasn't out sourcing to Google apps or some thing of that ilk he said when costed over 4 years it looked very expensive, especially given the uncertainty in pricing given we work in Sterling... Dave Wade 0161 474 5456 From: Paul Hutchings Sent: Fri 20/08/2010 17:13 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. I've never really seen it as Google vs. Exchange tbh, I think both do different things and suit different needs. Office with half a dozen people and no real IT need or infrastructure and I think I'd find it hard to see past Google Apps or Hosted Exchange, even scaled up to a couple dozen staff and a single server I'm not sure Exchange would be first choice simply because if nothing else you do need to back it up and someone needs to ensure that happens. On the other hand, if you have a few dozen or a few hundred users and have even a modest investment in things like a SAN or vmware and decent connectivity and someone with IT knowledge then I'm not sure it's so easy a decision. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:jasongu...@npumail.com] Sent: 20 August 2010 13:23 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Would definitely be interested in some details as far as client size, feature usage (shared calendars, contacts, etc...), and the technical level of the users. It seems from past things I've read, the service is better suited to companies with a greater proportion of more savvy users. Jason -Original Message- From: Stephan Barr [mailto:stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 19:14 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Maybe you haven't used it recently. Groups do not count as email addresses and meet the need of distribution lists and shared boxes. definitely different cost model. Per each client they will save thousands per year. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Duncan Turnbull dun...@e-simple.co.nz wrote: There is a different cost model here, and some limitations but various upsides One big issue I see is if you have lots of shared mailboxes e.g. for client projects or other reasons then you have to pay for all of those as a license, as always it will be horses for courses What about Microsoft Live Cheers Duncan On 20/08/2010, at 9:59 AM, Stephan Barr wrote: Super easy. Customers love it. -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England. Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 114 5409 96 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ** Stockport Council - providing over 600 different services to local people . More information on http://www.stockport.gov.uk/boost (free internet access is available at all Stockport libraries) This email, and any files transmitted with it, is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. As a public body, the Council may be required to disclose this email, or any response to it, under the Freedom of Information Act 2000, unless the information in it is covered by one of the exemptions in the Act. If you receive this email in error please notify Stockport ICT, Business Services via email.qu...@stockport.gov.uk and then permanently remove it from your system. Thank you. http://www.stockport.gov.uk **
Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
Goggle Apps cost $50 per seat, per email address, per year. There are no other costs. For the $50 here's a short list of what you get: - Vanity email address / your.n...@yourdomainname.com - SSL - AntiSpam, AntiVirus - Postini - 25GB of storage per email address On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Dave Wade dave.w...@stockport.gov.ukwrote: Paul, I am a Radio Ham and one of the guys I chat to works in a small (about 25 staff) organization, and has just upgraded his system to Windows/2008r2 and Exchange 2010. When I expressed suprise that he wasn't out sourcing to Google apps or some thing of that ilk he said when costed over 4 years it looked very expensive, especially given the uncertainty in pricing given we work in Sterling... *Dave Wade* *0161 474 5456*** -- *From:* Paul Hutchings *Sent:* Fri 20/08/2010 17:13 *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. I've never really seen it as Google vs. Exchange tbh, I think both do different things and suit different needs. Office with half a dozen people and no real IT need or infrastructure and I think I'd find it hard to see past Google Apps or Hosted Exchange, even scaled up to a couple dozen staff and a single server I'm not sure Exchange would be first choice simply because if nothing else you do need to back it up and someone needs to ensure that happens. On the other hand, if you have a few dozen or a few hundred users and have even a modest investment in things like a SAN or vmware and decent connectivity and someone with IT knowledge then I'm not sure it's so easy a decision. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:jasongu...@npumail.com] Sent: 20 August 2010 13:23 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Would definitely be interested in some details as far as client size, feature usage (shared calendars, contacts, etc...), and the technical level of the users. It seems from past things I've read, the service is better suited to companies with a greater proportion of more savvy users. Jason -Original Message- From: Stephan Barr [mailto:stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 19:14 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Maybe you haven't used it recently. Groups do not count as email addresses and meet the need of distribution lists and shared boxes. definitely different cost model. Per each client they will save thousands per year. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Duncan Turnbull dun...@e-simple.co.nz wrote: There is a different cost model here, and some limitations but various upsides One big issue I see is if you have lots of shared mailboxes e.g. for client projects or other reasons then you have to pay for all of those as a license, as always it will be horses for courses What about Microsoft Live Cheers Duncan On 20/08/2010, at 9:59 AM, Stephan Barr wrote: Super easy. Customers love it. -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England. Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 114 5409 96 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ** Stockport Council - providing over 600 different services to local people . More information on http://www.stockport.gov.uk/boost (free internet access is available at all Stockport libraries) This email, and any files transmitted with it, is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. As a public body, the Council may be required to disclose this email, or any response to it, under the Freedom of Information Act 2000, unless the information in it is covered by one of the exemptions in the Act. If you receive this email in error please notify Stockport ICT, Business Services via email.qu...@stockport.gov.uk and then permanently remove it from your system. Thank you. http://www.stockport.gov.uk **
RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
If an org wants managed services then that's what they're going to have. First they compare price. Many of them roll with price as a motivator. When the sweet taste of price starts to sour they move to MS Services. Service is the key. I don't think Google has figured out that people don't want services and mush as they want service. As far as small orgs with a limited budget, It's really tough to beat SBS compared to managed services. When the mailbox count is down the price per goes up. At $20 plus per month for an MBX the ROI on an SBS server is pretty quick. M From: Dave Wade [mailto:dave.w...@stockport.gov.uk] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 1:48 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Paul, I am a Radio Ham and one of the guys I chat to works in a small (about 25 staff) organization, and has just upgraded his system to Windows/2008r2 and Exchange 2010. When I expressed suprise that he wasn't out sourcing to Google apps or some thing of that ilk he said when costed over 4 years it looked very expensive, especially given the uncertainty in pricing given we work in Sterling... Dave Wade 0161 474 5456 _ From: Paul Hutchings Sent: Fri 20/08/2010 17:13 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. I've never really seen it as Google vs. Exchange tbh, I think both do different things and suit different needs. Office with half a dozen people and no real IT need or infrastructure and I think I'd find it hard to see past Google Apps or Hosted Exchange, even scaled up to a couple dozen staff and a single server I'm not sure Exchange would be first choice simply because if nothing else you do need to back it up and someone needs to ensure that happens. On the other hand, if you have a few dozen or a few hundred users and have even a modest investment in things like a SAN or vmware and decent connectivity and someone with IT knowledge then I'm not sure it's so easy a decision. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:jasongu...@npumail.com] Sent: 20 August 2010 13:23 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Would definitely be interested in some details as far as client size, feature usage (shared calendars, contacts, etc...), and the technical level of the users. It seems from past things I've read, the service is better suited to companies with a greater proportion of more savvy users. Jason -Original Message- From: Stephan Barr [mailto:stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 19:14 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Maybe you haven't used it recently. Groups do not count as email addresses and meet the need of distribution lists and shared boxes. definitely different cost model. Per each client they will save thousands per year. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Duncan Turnbull dun...@e-simple.co.nz wrote: There is a different cost model here, and some limitations but various upsides One big issue I see is if you have lots of shared mailboxes e.g. for client projects or other reasons then you have to pay for all of those as a license, as always it will be horses for courses What about Microsoft Live Cheers Duncan On 20/08/2010, at 9:59 AM, Stephan Barr wrote: Super easy. Customers love it. -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England. Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 114 5409 96 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ** Stockport Council - providing over 600 different services to local people . More information on http://www.stockport.gov.uk/boost (free internet access is available at all Stockport libraries) This email, and any files transmitted with it, is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. As a public body, the Council may be required to disclose this email, or any response to it, under the Freedom of Information Act 2000, unless the information in it is covered by one of the exemptions in the Act. If you receive this email in error please notify Stockport ICT, Business Services via email.qu...@stockport.gov.uk and then permanently remove it from your system. Thank you. http://www.stockport.gov.uk **
RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
Wow that's pretty steep for the service they provide... $50 a seat, really From: stephan.b...@bdtechnology.org [mailto:stephan.b...@bdtechnology.org] On Behalf Of Stephan Barr Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 9:32 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Goggle Apps cost $50 per seat, per email address, per year. There are no other costs. For the $50 here's a short list of what you get: * Vanity email address / your.n...@yourdomainname.com * SSL * AntiSpam, AntiVirus * Postini * 25GB of storage per email address On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Dave Wade dave.w...@stockport.gov.uk wrote: Paul, I am a Radio Ham and one of the guys I chat to works in a small (about 25 staff) organization, and has just upgraded his system to Windows/2008r2 and Exchange 2010. When I expressed suprise that he wasn't out sourcing to Google apps or some thing of that ilk he said when costed over 4 years it looked very expensive, especially given the uncertainty in pricing given we work in Sterling... Dave Wade 0161 474 5456 _ From: Paul Hutchings Sent: Fri 20/08/2010 17:13 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. I've never really seen it as Google vs. Exchange tbh, I think both do different things and suit different needs. Office with half a dozen people and no real IT need or infrastructure and I think I'd find it hard to see past Google Apps or Hosted Exchange, even scaled up to a couple dozen staff and a single server I'm not sure Exchange would be first choice simply because if nothing else you do need to back it up and someone needs to ensure that happens. On the other hand, if you have a few dozen or a few hundred users and have even a modest investment in things like a SAN or vmware and decent connectivity and someone with IT knowledge then I'm not sure it's so easy a decision. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:jasongu...@npumail.com] Sent: 20 August 2010 13:23 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Would definitely be interested in some details as far as client size, feature usage (shared calendars, contacts, etc...), and the technical level of the users. It seems from past things I've read, the service is better suited to companies with a greater proportion of more savvy users. Jason -Original Message- From: Stephan Barr [mailto:stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 19:14 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Maybe you haven't used it recently. Groups do not count as email addresses and meet the need of distribution lists and shared boxes. definitely different cost model. Per each client they will save thousands per year. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Duncan Turnbull dun...@e-simple.co.nz wrote: There is a different cost model here, and some limitations but various upsides One big issue I see is if you have lots of shared mailboxes e.g. for client projects or other reasons then you have to pay for all of those as a license, as always it will be horses for courses What about Microsoft Live Cheers Duncan On 20/08/2010, at 9:59 AM, Stephan Barr wrote: Super easy. Customers love it. -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England. Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 114 5409 96 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ** Stockport Council - providing over 600 different services to local people . More information on http://www.stockport.gov.uk/boost (free internet access is available at all Stockport libraries) This email, and any files transmitted with it, is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. As a public body, the Council may be required to disclose this email, or any response to it, under the Freedom of Information Act 2000, unless the information in it is covered by one of the exemptions in the Act. If you receive this email in error please notify Stockport ICT, Business Services via email.qu...@stockport.gov.uk and then permanently remove it from your system. Thank you. http://www.stockport.gov.uk http://www.stockport.gov.uk/ **
RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
I'm not sure it's outrageous tbh, considering with Exchange you have a CAL cost, an Antispam cost, an antivirus cost and (the expensive part) the costs of having someone take care of it - it's the last part that I expect is the issue for a lot of small businesses. From: Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com] Sent: 21 August 2010 17:57 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Wow that's pretty steep for the service they provide... $50 a seat, really From: stephan.b...@bdtechnology.org [mailto:stephan.b...@bdtechnology.org] On Behalf Of Stephan Barr Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 9:32 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Goggle Apps cost $50 per seat, per email address, per year. There are no other costs. For the $50 here's a short list of what you get: * Vanity email address / your.n...@yourdomainname.com * SSL * AntiSpam, AntiVirus * Postini * 25GB of storage per email address On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Dave Wade dave.w...@stockport.gov.uk wrote: Paul, I am a Radio Ham and one of the guys I chat to works in a small (about 25 staff) organization, and has just upgraded his system to Windows/2008r2 and Exchange 2010. When I expressed suprise that he wasn't out sourcing to Google apps or some thing of that ilk he said when costed over 4 years it looked very expensive, especially given the uncertainty in pricing given we work in Sterling... Dave Wade 0161 474 5456 From: Paul Hutchings Sent: Fri 20/08/2010 17:13 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. I've never really seen it as Google vs. Exchange tbh, I think both do different things and suit different needs. Office with half a dozen people and no real IT need or infrastructure and I think I'd find it hard to see past Google Apps or Hosted Exchange, even scaled up to a couple dozen staff and a single server I'm not sure Exchange would be first choice simply because if nothing else you do need to back it up and someone needs to ensure that happens. On the other hand, if you have a few dozen or a few hundred users and have even a modest investment in things like a SAN or vmware and decent connectivity and someone with IT knowledge then I'm not sure it's so easy a decision. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:jasongu...@npumail.com] Sent: 20 August 2010 13:23 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Would definitely be interested in some details as far as client size, feature usage (shared calendars, contacts, etc...), and the technical level of the users. It seems from past things I've read, the service is better suited to companies with a greater proportion of more savvy users. Jason -Original Message- From: Stephan Barr [mailto:stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 19:14 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Maybe you haven't used it recently. Groups do not count as email addresses and meet the need of distribution lists and shared boxes. definitely different cost model. Per each client they will save thousands per year. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Duncan Turnbull dun...@e-simple.co.nz wrote: There is a different cost model here, and some limitations but various upsides One big issue I see is if you have lots of shared mailboxes e.g. for client projects or other reasons then you have to pay for all of those as a license, as always it will be horses for courses What about Microsoft Live Cheers Duncan On 20/08/2010, at 9:59 AM, Stephan Barr wrote: Super easy. Customers love it. -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England. Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 114 5409 96 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ** Stockport Council - providing over 600 different services to local people . More information on http://www.stockport.gov.uk/boost (free internet access is available at all Stockport libraries) This email, and any files transmitted with it, is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. As a public body, the Council may be required to disclose this email, or any
RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
Well most of the quotes Ive had from services providers is more in the $20 to $25 range for starters. Even at that price I have dozen clients that have SBS on machines leased from Dell with the software on the lease too. Once theyre set up, setup correctly, very little maint is needed. I pop in remotely for a ½ hour every three months. If you do a plain jane setup theres nothing to manage, it just runs. Been doing it for years, no problems. From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 10:00 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Im not sure its outrageous tbh, considering with Exchange you have a CAL cost, an Antispam cost, an antivirus cost and (the expensive part) the costs of having someone take care of it its the last part that I expect is the issue for a lot of small businesses. From: Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com] Sent: 21 August 2010 17:57 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Wow thats pretty steep for the service they provide . $50 a seat, really From: stephan.b...@bdtechnology.org [mailto:stephan.b...@bdtechnology.org] On Behalf Of Stephan Barr Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 9:32 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Goggle Apps cost $50 per seat, per email address, per year. There are no other costs. For the $50 here's a short list of what you get: * Vanity email address / your.n...@yourdomainname.com * SSL * AntiSpam, AntiVirus * Postini * 25GB of storage per email address On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Dave Wade dave.w...@stockport.gov.uk wrote: Paul, I am a Radio Ham and one of the guys I chat to works in a small (about 25 staff) organization, and has just upgraded his system to Windows/2008r2 and Exchange 2010. When I expressed suprise that he wasn't out sourcing to Google apps or some thing of that ilk he said when costed over 4 years it looked very expensive, especially given the uncertainty in pricing given we work in Sterling... Dave Wade 0161 474 5456 _ From: Paul Hutchings Sent: Fri 20/08/2010 17:13 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. I've never really seen it as Google vs. Exchange tbh, I think both do different things and suit different needs. Office with half a dozen people and no real IT need or infrastructure and I think I'd find it hard to see past Google Apps or Hosted Exchange, even scaled up to a couple dozen staff and a single server I'm not sure Exchange would be first choice simply because if nothing else you do need to back it up and someone needs to ensure that happens. On the other hand, if you have a few dozen or a few hundred users and have even a modest investment in things like a SAN or vmware and decent connectivity and someone with IT knowledge then I'm not sure it's so easy a decision. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:jasongu...@npumail.com] Sent: 20 August 2010 13:23 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Would definitely be interested in some details as far as client size, feature usage (shared calendars, contacts, etc...), and the technical level of the users. It seems from past things I've read, the service is better suited to companies with a greater proportion of more savvy users. Jason -Original Message- From: Stephan Barr [mailto:stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 19:14 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Maybe you haven't used it recently. Groups do not count as email addresses and meet the need of distribution lists and shared boxes. definitely different cost model. Per each client they will save thousands per year. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Duncan Turnbull dun...@e-simple.co.nz wrote: There is a different cost model here, and some limitations but various upsides One big issue I see is if you have lots of shared mailboxes e.g. for client projects or other reasons then you have to pay for all of those as a license, as always it will be horses for courses What about Microsoft Live Cheers Duncan On 20/08/2010, at 9:59 AM, Stephan Barr wrote: Super easy. Customers love it. -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England. Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 114 5409 96 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by
RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
Oh I agree entirely on management, never did quite get why people see Exchange as needing that much day to day management - keywords setup correctly I imagine? Backups has always struck me as where most SMB's probably fall down. I deal with a remote office rather than clients but the biggest problem I have with backups isn't the tech, it's someone forgetting to put the tape in etc. From: Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com] Sent: 21 August 2010 18:08 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Well most of the quotes I've had from services providers is more in the $20 to $25 range for starters. Even at that price I have dozen clients that have SBS on machines leased from Dell with the software on the lease too. Once they're set up, setup correctly, very little maint is needed. I pop in remotely for a ½ hour every three months. If you do a plain jane setup there's nothing to manage, it just runs. Been doing it for years, no problems. From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 10:00 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. I'm not sure it's outrageous tbh, considering with Exchange you have a CAL cost, an Antispam cost, an antivirus cost and (the expensive part) the costs of having someone take care of it - it's the last part that I expect is the issue for a lot of small businesses. From: Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com] Sent: 21 August 2010 17:57 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Wow that's pretty steep for the service they provide... $50 a seat, really From: stephan.b...@bdtechnology.org [mailto:stephan.b...@bdtechnology.org] On Behalf Of Stephan Barr Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 9:32 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Goggle Apps cost $50 per seat, per email address, per year. There are no other costs. For the $50 here's a short list of what you get: * Vanity email address / your.n...@yourdomainname.com * SSL * AntiSpam, AntiVirus * Postini * 25GB of storage per email address On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Dave Wade dave.w...@stockport.gov.uk wrote: Paul, I am a Radio Ham and one of the guys I chat to works in a small (about 25 staff) organization, and has just upgraded his system to Windows/2008r2 and Exchange 2010. When I expressed suprise that he wasn't out sourcing to Google apps or some thing of that ilk he said when costed over 4 years it looked very expensive, especially given the uncertainty in pricing given we work in Sterling... Dave Wade 0161 474 5456 From: Paul Hutchings Sent: Fri 20/08/2010 17:13 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. I've never really seen it as Google vs. Exchange tbh, I think both do different things and suit different needs. Office with half a dozen people and no real IT need or infrastructure and I think I'd find it hard to see past Google Apps or Hosted Exchange, even scaled up to a couple dozen staff and a single server I'm not sure Exchange would be first choice simply because if nothing else you do need to back it up and someone needs to ensure that happens. On the other hand, if you have a few dozen or a few hundred users and have even a modest investment in things like a SAN or vmware and decent connectivity and someone with IT knowledge then I'm not sure it's so easy a decision. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:jasongu...@npumail.com] Sent: 20 August 2010 13:23 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Would definitely be interested in some details as far as client size, feature usage (shared calendars, contacts, etc...), and the technical level of the users. It seems from past things I've read, the service is better suited to companies with a greater proportion of more savvy users. Jason -Original Message- From: Stephan Barr [mailto:stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 19:14 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Maybe you haven't used it recently. Groups do not count as email addresses and meet the need of distribution lists and shared boxes. definitely different cost model. Per each client they will save thousands per year. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Duncan Turnbull dun...@e-simple.co.nz wrote: There is a different cost model here, and some limitations but various upsides One big issue I see is if you have lots of shared mailboxes e.g. for
RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
Its that $ sign thats the issue in the UK! The £/$ ratio seems to fluctuate between almost 1 to 1 to nearly 2 - 1... Dave Wade Business Services I.C.T. 0161 474 5456 From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: 21 August 2010 18:00 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. I'm not sure it's outrageous tbh, considering with Exchange you have a CAL cost, an Antispam cost, an antivirus cost and (the expensive part) the costs of having someone take care of it - it's the last part that I expect is the issue for a lot of small businesses. From: Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com] Sent: 21 August 2010 17:57 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Wow that's pretty steep for the service they provide... $50 a seat, really From: stephan.b...@bdtechnology.org [mailto:stephan.b...@bdtechnology.org] On Behalf Of Stephan Barr Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 9:32 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Goggle Apps cost $50 per seat, per email address, per year. There are no other costs. For the $50 here's a short list of what you get: * Vanity email address / your.n...@yourdomainname.com * SSL * AntiSpam, AntiVirus * Postini * 25GB of storage per email address On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Dave Wade dave.w...@stockport.gov.uk wrote: Paul, I am a Radio Ham and one of the guys I chat to works in a small (about 25 staff) organization, and has just upgraded his system to Windows/2008r2 and Exchange 2010. When I expressed suprise that he wasn't out sourcing to Google apps or some thing of that ilk he said when costed over 4 years it looked very expensive, especially given the uncertainty in pricing given we work in Sterling... Dave Wade 0161 474 5456 From: Paul Hutchings Sent: Fri 20/08/2010 17:13 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. I've never really seen it as Google vs. Exchange tbh, I think both do different things and suit different needs. Office with half a dozen people and no real IT need or infrastructure and I think I'd find it hard to see past Google Apps or Hosted Exchange, even scaled up to a couple dozen staff and a single server I'm not sure Exchange would be first choice simply because if nothing else you do need to back it up and someone needs to ensure that happens. On the other hand, if you have a few dozen or a few hundred users and have even a modest investment in things like a SAN or vmware and decent connectivity and someone with IT knowledge then I'm not sure it's so easy a decision. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:jasongu...@npumail.com] Sent: 20 August 2010 13:23 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Would definitely be interested in some details as far as client size, feature usage (shared calendars, contacts, etc...), and the technical level of the users. It seems from past things I've read, the service is better suited to companies with a greater proportion of more savvy users. Jason -Original Message- From: Stephan Barr [mailto:stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 19:14 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Maybe you haven't used it recently. Groups do not count as email addresses and meet the need of distribution lists and shared boxes. definitely different cost model. Per each client they will save thousands per year. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Duncan Turnbull dun...@e-simple.co.nz wrote: There is a different cost model here, and some limitations but various upsides One big issue I see is if you have lots of shared mailboxes e.g. for client projects or other reasons then you have to pay
RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
I think SBS has a good 2 to 3 years for most SMB's, perhaps longer. 90% of my clients had never heard of the cloud, understand hosted apps vs in house apps, nor do most care. Its those monthly or quarterly sit downs where we explain these things that our clients take any interest other than running their businesses. Its my job to educate them on how their business can use technology to complete their business goals either more cost effectively or better than the competition. Some don't care, some do. For that reason I don't think there is going to be this overnight shift to the cloud, it will happen but not as fast as the companies out there selling it are making it appear. Heck I have customers that wont upgrade their 2000 server running old apps, simply because client doesn't want to pay for upgrades or maintenance. Others don't like the idea of their data being out of their hands, some are seasoned individuals who have always done things one way and don't want to change. Most SMB's do what they do well and stick to it, even when change may mean better, healthier, more profitable businesses. Its human nature, and while I would love to switch them, if MY client says No..well then they are paying..they get what they want; but not because they don't know the options. Don't get me wrong, we have a good number of clients interested in virtualizing their infrastructure and moving it into a hosted environment or dropping what they have when it needs replacement and embracing the next level of tech, but because we give them a business value, we offer more service, we manage their environment in a way they didn't have before and that gives them a business advantage, not because its tech. ...it has awhile to prove itself before the majority just do it because everyone else is. Greg From: HELP_PC [mailto:g...@enter.it] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 1:19 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: R: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Maintenance is backup and eventual DR restore and having also a DC. I think the future of Small businness will be only member servers for storage. GuidoElia HELPPC Da: Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com] Inviato: sabato 21 agosto 2010 19.08 A: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Oggetto: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Well most of the quotes I've had from services providers is more in the $20 to $25 range for starters. Even at that price I have dozen clients that have SBS on machines leased from Dell with the software on the lease too. Once they're set up, setup correctly, very little maint is needed. I pop in remotely for a ½ hour every three months. If you do a plain jane setup there's nothing to manage, it just runs. Been doing it for years, no problems. From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 10:00 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. I'm not sure it's outrageous tbh, considering with Exchange you have a CAL cost, an Antispam cost, an antivirus cost and (the expensive part) the costs of having someone take care of it - it's the last part that I expect is the issue for a lot of small businesses. From: Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com] Sent: 21 August 2010 17:57 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Wow that's pretty steep for the service they provide... $50 a seat, really From: stephan.b...@bdtechnology.org [mailto:stephan.b...@bdtechnology.org] On Behalf Of Stephan Barr Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 9:32 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Goggle Apps cost $50 per seat, per email address, per year. There are no other costs. For the $50 here's a short list of what you get: * Vanity email address / your.n...@yourdomainname.commailto:your.n...@yourdomainname.com * SSL * AntiSpam, AntiVirus * Postini * 25GB of storage per email address On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Dave Wade dave.w...@stockport.gov.ukmailto:dave.w...@stockport.gov.uk wrote: Paul, I am a Radio Ham and one of the guys I chat to works in a small (about 25 staff) organization, and has just upgraded his system to Windows/2008r2 and Exchange 2010. When I expressed suprise that he wasn't out sourcing to Google apps or some thing of that ilk he said when costed over 4 years it looked very expensive, especially given the uncertainty in pricing given we work in Sterling... Dave Wade 0161 474 5456 From: Paul Hutchings Sent: Fri 20/08/2010 17:13 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. I've never really seen it as Google vs. Exchange tbh, I think both do
RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
Greg, It been a while since I worked in in the wild , but I remember one customer who wanted a new system insisting that they were not going to use a customized package, because some details of their business processes might leak out to other users of the package. Dave Wade From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net Sent: Sat 21/08/2010 21:50 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. I think SBS has a good 2 to 3 years for most SMB's, perhaps longer. 90% of my clients had never heard of the cloud, understand hosted apps vs in house apps, nor do most care. Its those monthly or quarterly sit downs where we explain these things that our clients take any interest other than running their businesses. Its my job to educate them on how their business can use technology to complete their business goals either more cost effectively or better than the competition. Some don't care, some do. For that reason I don't think there is going to be this overnight shift to the cloud, it will happen but not as fast as the companies out there selling it are making it appear. Heck I have customers that wont upgrade their 2000 server running old apps, simply because client doesn't want to pay for upgrades or maintenance. Others don't like the idea of their data being out of their hands, some are seasoned individuals who have always done things one way and don't want to change. Most SMB's do what they do well and stick to it, even when change may mean better, healthier, more profitable businesses. Its human nature, and while I would love to switch them, if MY client says No..well then they are paying..they get what they want; but not because they don't know the options. Don't get me wrong, we have a good number of clients interested in virtualizing their infrastructure and moving it into a hosted environment or dropping what they have when it needs replacement and embracing the next level of tech, but because we give them a business value, we offer more service, we manage their environment in a way they didn't have before and that gives them a business advantage, not because its tech. .it has awhile to prove itself before the majority just do it because everyone else is. Greg From: HELP_PC [mailto:g...@enter.it] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 1:19 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: R: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Maintenance is backup and eventual DR restore and having also a DC. I think the future of Small businness will be only member servers for storage. GuidoElia HELPPC Da: Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com] Inviato: sabato 21 agosto 2010 19.08 A: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Oggetto: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Well most of the quotes I've had from services providers is more in the $20 to $25 range for starters. Even at that price I have dozen clients that have SBS on machines leased from Dell with the software on the lease too. Once they're set up, setup correctly, very little maint is needed. I pop in remotely for a ½ hour every three months. If you do a plain jane setup there's nothing to manage, it just runs. Been doing it for years, no problems. From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 10:00 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. I'm not sure it's outrageous tbh, considering with Exchange you have a CAL cost, an Antispam cost, an antivirus cost and (the expensive part) the costs of having someone take care of it - it's the last part that I expect is the issue for a lot of small businesses. From: Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com] Sent: 21 August 2010 17:57 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Wow that's pretty steep for the service they provide... $50 a seat, really From: stephan.b...@bdtechnology.org [mailto:stephan.b...@bdtechnology.org] On Behalf Of Stephan Barr Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 9:32 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Goggle Apps cost $50 per seat, per email address, per year. There are no other costs. For the $50 here's a short list of what you get: Vanity email address / your.n...@yourdomainname.com SSL AntiSpam, AntiVirus Postini 25GB of storage per email address On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Dave Wade dave.w...@stockport.gov.uk wrote: Paul, I am a Radio Ham and one of the guys I chat to works in a small (about 25 staff) organization, and has just upgraded his system to Windows/2008r2 and Exchange 2010. When I expressed suprise that he wasn't out sourcing to Google apps or some thing of that ilk he said when costed over 4 years it looked very expensive, especially
RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
Would definitely be interested in some details as far as client size, feature usage (shared calendars, contacts, etc...), and the technical level of the users. It seems from past things I've read, the service is better suited to companies with a greater proportion of more savvy users. Jason -Original Message- From: Stephan Barr [mailto:stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 19:14 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Maybe you haven't used it recently. Groups do not count as email addresses and meet the need of distribution lists and shared boxes. definitely different cost model. Per each client they will save thousands per year. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Duncan Turnbull dun...@e-simple.co.nz wrote: There is a different cost model here, and some limitations but various upsides One big issue I see is if you have lots of shared mailboxes e.g. for client projects or other reasons then you have to pay for all of those as a license, as always it will be horses for courses What about Microsoft Live Cheers Duncan On 20/08/2010, at 9:59 AM, Stephan Barr wrote: Super easy. Customers love it.
RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
I prefer the Rolling Stones. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 7:15 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Rocks are history. Google Stones is in. From: Don Ely so sc stops complaining [mailto:don@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 4:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. I got a rock... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Martin Blackstone mblackst...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 16:54:40 -0700 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issuesexchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ReplyTo: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. What were the driving factors for the migration? What was the business case? From: Stephan Barr [mailto:stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 2:59 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Super easy. Customers love it.
Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
What about multiple domains? I'd consider it for $dayjob, but we've got several users here with 4 or 5 email addresses in different domains from which they need to be able to send and receive independently of one another. I haven't dug too deeply, but on the surface it appears that those users would be charged 4 or 5 times the nominal per user fee. Does anyone know what Google Apps or the hosted Exchange services do in this situation. (I know I can add multiple domains in Google Apps, but I don't see how to isolate a user's a.com and b.com correspondence from one another without having different user accounts.) A year ago I set up Google Apps for the non-profit school where I volunteer, and it's been a huge success. There is only one email domain, and because it's K-12, it's totally free. If Google charged them $50 per user for it every year, they'd almost certainly be on SBS. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Duncan Turnbull dun...@e-simple.co.nzwrote: There is a different cost model here, and some limitations but various upsides One big issue I see is if you have lots of shared mailboxes e.g. for client projects or other reasons then you have to pay for all of those as a license, as always it will be horses for courses What about Microsoft Live Cheers Duncan On 20/08/2010, at 9:59 AM, Stephan Barr wrote: Super easy. Customers love it.
Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Jason Gurtz jasongu...@npumail.com wrote: Would definitely be interested in some details as far as client size, feature usage (shared calendars, contacts, etc...), and the technical level of the users. I would too. I'm far from Exchange's biggest fan, but I'm also a rationalist. I'd love to see analysis. Exchange is history is not analysis, it's a marketing slogan. -- Ben
Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Richard Stovall rich...@gmail.com wrote: What about multiple domains? - You can add multiple domains as 'alias domains'. They behave similarly to multiple email domains in Exchange recipient policies. Just add the domain names and those email domains are available to anyone. I'd consider it for $dayjob, but we've got several users here with 4 or 5 email addresses in different domains from which they need to be able to send and receive independently of one another. I haven't dug too deeply, but on the surface it appears that those users would be charged 4 or 5 times the nominal per user fee. - In that case you would use 'groups'. Groups have email addresses but there are no charges for group email addresses. Add who ever you want to a group and the mail is routed. Does anyone know what Google Apps or the hosted Exchange services do in this situation. (I know I can add multiple domains in Google Apps, but I don't see how to isolate a user's a.com and b.com correspondence from one another without having different user accounts.) A year ago I set up Google Apps for the non-profit school where I volunteer, and it's been a huge success. There is only one email domain, and because it's K-12, it's totally free. If Google charged them $50 per user for it every year, they'd almost certainly be on SBS. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Duncan Turnbull dun...@e-simple.co.nzwrote: There is a different cost model here, and some limitations but various upsides One big issue I see is if you have lots of shared mailboxes e.g. for client projects or other reasons then you have to pay for all of those as a license, as always it will be horses for courses What about Microsoft Live Cheers Duncan On 20/08/2010, at 9:59 AM, Stephan Barr wrote: Super easy. Customers love it.
Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
Thanks. I do use groups at the school. Can you create a group with an address in a domain different from the parent? If so, can a user send as a group? On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Stephan Barr stephanbarr.li...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Richard Stovall rich...@gmail.comwrote: What about multiple domains? - You can add multiple domains as 'alias domains'. They behave similarly to multiple email domains in Exchange recipient policies. Just add the domain names and those email domains are available to anyone. I'd consider it for $dayjob, but we've got several users here with 4 or 5 email addresses in different domains from which they need to be able to send and receive independently of one another. I haven't dug too deeply, but on the surface it appears that those users would be charged 4 or 5 times the nominal per user fee. - In that case you would use 'groups'. Groups have email addresses but there are no charges for group email addresses. Add who ever you want to a group and the mail is routed. Does anyone know what Google Apps or the hosted Exchange services do in this situation. (I know I can add multiple domains in Google Apps, but I don't see how to isolate a user's a.com and b.com correspondence from one another without having different user accounts.) A year ago I set up Google Apps for the non-profit school where I volunteer, and it's been a huge success. There is only one email domain, and because it's K-12, it's totally free. If Google charged them $50 per user for it every year, they'd almost certainly be on SBS. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Duncan Turnbull dun...@e-simple.co.nzwrote: There is a different cost model here, and some limitations but various upsides One big issue I see is if you have lots of shared mailboxes e.g. for client projects or other reasons then you have to pay for all of those as a license, as always it will be horses for courses What about Microsoft Live Cheers Duncan On 20/08/2010, at 9:59 AM, Stephan Barr wrote: Super easy. Customers love it.
RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
I've never really seen it as Google vs. Exchange tbh, I think both do different things and suit different needs. Office with half a dozen people and no real IT need or infrastructure and I think I'd find it hard to see past Google Apps or Hosted Exchange, even scaled up to a couple dozen staff and a single server I'm not sure Exchange would be first choice simply because if nothing else you do need to back it up and someone needs to ensure that happens. On the other hand, if you have a few dozen or a few hundred users and have even a modest investment in things like a SAN or vmware and decent connectivity and someone with IT knowledge then I'm not sure it's so easy a decision. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:jasongu...@npumail.com] Sent: 20 August 2010 13:23 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Would definitely be interested in some details as far as client size, feature usage (shared calendars, contacts, etc...), and the technical level of the users. It seems from past things I've read, the service is better suited to companies with a greater proportion of more savvy users. Jason -Original Message- From: Stephan Barr [mailto:stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 19:14 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Maybe you haven't used it recently. Groups do not count as email addresses and meet the need of distribution lists and shared boxes. definitely different cost model. Per each client they will save thousands per year. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Duncan Turnbull dun...@e-simple.co.nz wrote: There is a different cost model here, and some limitations but various upsides One big issue I see is if you have lots of shared mailboxes e.g. for client projects or other reasons then you have to pay for all of those as a license, as always it will be horses for courses What about Microsoft Live Cheers Duncan On 20/08/2010, at 9:59 AM, Stephan Barr wrote: Super easy. Customers love it. -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England. Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 114 5409 96 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited.
Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
There is a different cost model here, and some limitations but various upsides One big issue I see is if you have lots of shared mailboxes e.g. for client projects or other reasons then you have to pay for all of those as a license, as always it will be horses for courses What about Microsoft Live Cheers Duncan On 20/08/2010, at 9:59 AM, Stephan Barr wrote: Super easy. Customers love it.
Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
Two whole customers? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sample_size -- Ben
RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
Two whole customers? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sample_size ROTFLMAO, your such a sarcastic bastard:)
RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
Ben, Thanks for the nice link. When I was an Electronic Test Engineer In a past life we had a rule of a minimum of 32 samples to be statistically relevant. Our sample sizes were more typically several hundred. Thank You -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 3:30 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Two whole customers? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sample_size http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sample_size -- Ben image001.jpg
Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
Maybe you haven't used it recently. Groups do not count as email addresses and meet the need of distribution lists and shared boxes. definitely different cost model. Per each client they will save thousands per year. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Duncan Turnbull dun...@e-simple.co.nzwrote: There is a different cost model here, and some limitations but various upsides One big issue I see is if you have lots of shared mailboxes e.g. for client projects or other reasons then you have to pay for all of those as a license, as always it will be horses for courses What about Microsoft Live Cheers Duncan On 20/08/2010, at 9:59 AM, Stephan Barr wrote: Super easy. Customers love it.
RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
What were the driving factors for the migration? What was the business case? From: Stephan Barr [mailto:stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 2:59 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Super easy. Customers love it.
Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
I got a rock... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone mblackst...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 16:54:40 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issuesexchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. What were the driving factors for the migration? What was the business case? From: Stephan Barr [mailto:stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 2:59 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Super easy. Customers love it.
RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
Rocks are history. Google Stones is in. From: Don Ely so sc stops complaining [mailto:don@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 4:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. I got a rock... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry _ From: Martin Blackstone mblackst...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 16:54:40 -0700 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issuesexchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ReplyTo: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. What were the driving factors for the migration? What was the business case? From: Stephan Barr [mailto:stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 2:59 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Super easy. Customers love it.
Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week.
I coulda sworn adobe flame was the new thing... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone mblackst...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 17:15:28 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issuesexchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Rocks are history. Google Stones is in. From: Don Ely so sc stops complaining [mailto:don@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 4:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. I got a rock... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry _ From: Martin Blackstone mblackst...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 16:54:40 -0700 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issuesexchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ReplyTo: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. What were the driving factors for the migration? What was the business case? From: Stephan Barr [mailto:stephanbarr.li...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 2:59 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange is history?: Moved two clients to GoogleApps this week. Super easy. Customers love it.
