Re: [expert] Xfree 4.0 update ready for Mandrake7
I compiled the sources yesterday with no problem, just 'make', 'make install' and a 'ldconfig' from /usr/X11R6/lib (yeah, I know I should RTFM ;-) ), and ran into the same problem with the font server not starting. Twiddled around with a 'mkfontdir' and 'xset fp rehash', but nothing seemed to click. Then today, I boot up, try a 'startx', and, bingo!, it boots into X Windows. I practice an ancient wisdom tradition known as 'Shoot-from-the-Hip Linux', and my Master once told me, "Uptime is a blessing, but discipline is assured with a Cold Boot!". Overall, I think XFree86 4.0 handles fonts far better, at least they appear sharper and better rendered. Was kinda hoping Netscape wouldn't keep crashing every 10 minutes like it does now (in hopes that it was an X windows compatibility issue), but some things never change :-(~ . The XFree86 team has done a great job, and they keep getting better. tommiy wrote: I have xfree 4 rpms but have a problem with the xfs server not starting properly...gottta get the time to fix that and by the time I do mandrake will probably have their own out.
AW: [expert] LILO woes
hi dev null You have to install LILO in the boot or root partition, not in the MBR, if this works for linux 'g' you cant get nt up again. i don't think this works for your configuration, but the boot or root partitions are not on the first harddisk. you can also boou linux via the nt boot manager as discribed below: you install lilo in the root partition (lets call it /dev/hda4) now boot linux via a boot floppy and then do the following: dd if=/dev/hda4 bs=512 count=1 of=/bootsect.lin this writes the bootsector of your root-partition to the bootsect.lin file (this is where lilo is installed) now copy the file to a fat16 formated floppy and reboot your machine with NT. now copy the file to C:\ (the root of your boot-drive) and append the following line to the boot.ini file: c:\bootsect.lin="Linux". now you got an extra line in the NT-bootmanager wich boots your linux system. best regards Grojer Jürgen CCN EB Mailadministration SIEMENS AG Austria Siemensstr. 88 - 92 1211 Wien Tel.: +43 51707 29153 Handy: +43 676 3792713 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Dev Null [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet am: Montag, 13. März 2000 08:03 An: Linux Expert Betreff: [expert] LILO woes I have a Windows NT system with two HD. The first disk is 1 partition with only Windows NT. The second disk has three partitions, NT uses one, the second is the one I'm trying to install Mandrake-Linux to, the third is the Linux swap. The install goes fine, except LILO is not working. When the pc boots up it prints "1 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01" repeatedly on the screen. I have to boot with a windows disk and run fdisk /mbr to get the PC to boot again, and then it's only going into NT (expected). I'm telling lilo that NT is at hda1, and Linux is at hdb2. Am I missing something? Shouldn't this work, ok so it doesn't, so what do I need to do to get it to work? /dev/null [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] LILO woes
Dev, I had a similar problem with LILO on many distributions of Linux. I will tell you how I overcame the problem and hopefully you will be able to apply it to your system. When I did my install of Mandake 7.0-2 I was fortunate enough for it to tell me it LILO wouldn't like being installed installed on my HD with my Linux partition so far back, so what you have is a few options open to you. If you do what I did, you can install Linux on your first partiton (but make sure you install Wind'ohs first) which installs LILO in the MBR and then Linux is the next OS in the process. It seems to like this and will boot fine. Your other option is to allocate about 10MB or so of space at the beginning of your HD and use this for your boot software. I have heard reports that this will work, though you are better off installing Linux to your first partition. Basically, if Linux isn't located within the first 1024 cylinders of your HD LILO will have problems booting. WInd'ohs will still start up OK if it is not installed on the first partition because it doesn't recognise etx2 FS's and so it will believe it is still the first OS. The exact steps I took were: 1. PArtition my primary HD into three (two large one small) 2. Install Wind'ohs on the third one (if you don't format the first or second it will pcik up the second as C:) 3. Install Linux on the first partition and make sure you format it (use the second smaller partition for swap space) 4. When LILO installs it will pick up both Linux and Wind'ohs and will boot between both, depending on the choice you make at boot time. Let me know how you go. Tis worked for me and I can't see why it wouldn't work for you. I had about 7 unsuccessful attempts until I tried this, which worked like a charm and has run sweet ever since. Cheers, Wayne Wayne Petherick Criminology Department Bond University
Re: [expert] auto X start
I'm not sure, but when the LILO prompt comes up at boot enter linux 3 and that is for text mode. Regards Dan - Original Message - Hello, I have a question pertaining to the option that starts X automatically. I tried to configure a serial mouse and I thought all was well until I booted the next startup at which time the computer booted to the place where it starts X and hanged with the hdd making nioses and the screen flashing. Using the ctrl-alt-del I could shutdown, and I noticed it said fatal server error: could not start mouse: no such device. I finally remedied this with an upgrade to 7.0. Not the best way to handle the situation. I finally have the new 7.0 working ok, but my question is for futer referance. Is there a way to go back to the command shell that starts when there is no auto start of X? I guess I could make a bootdisk that has that option, but I don't know how to do that.
RE: [expert] Running Postgres postmaster
On jeu, 09 mar 2000, you wrote: It sure did.. thanx... where would I be able to find more extensive docs about this? The docs I downloaded from Postgres's website didn't even mention this Don't know, I found it by myself! Maybe in the Linux-mandrake or Redhat distrib manuals, maybe in the docs bundled with the sources. Cheers! Vivien
Re: [expert] silly question
OK, I'm an idiot. I just spent about 30 minutes trying to decipher manpages and other documentation that explained the difference in Unix between System and Hardware clocks. I get it now. Of course, now I have to change my cron job to update the Hardware Clock instead of the System clock, then update the system clock from the hardware clock. *sigh* At least when I have to reboot into Windows, the time will be right. :-) On 12 Mar, John Aldrich wrote: On Sun, 12 Mar 2000, you wrote: I beg to differ... Quoting from the man page: -s Set the local system time from the time retrieved from the remote machine. This, quite naturally, is only effective for root. Unless I'm totally mistaken (I could be for all I know G) this only sets the SOFTWARE clock. Which is why when you have your off-set wrong, and have your hardware (bios) clock set CORRECTLY, you can have a wrong time displayed... :-) John -- --- Nil Carborundum Illegitimi http://andysocial.com
[expert] User Probs
Hi all I use Mdk 7.0 Gnome Enlightenment. When i try to add a new user with LinuxConf it stops and i cant do nothing Its ok til i try to add pass word then crasch I have tryed 5-6 times and same all time :( Any1 else who have this prob? what to do any ...please.. Sorry 4 me bad Eng :) Tommi
[expert] Iconifying Windows With One Button On Taskbar
How would you create an button on the taskbar that would iconify all windows so that you can see your desktop quickly? Seve
RE: [expert] File Permissions
I can tell you the reason but not the fix. The partition is formatted as FAT, which has no concept of ownership. Thus, the ownership for it is determined by Linux. There is a way to change it; I wish I could tell you. I have a drive in the same position: I have tried using Linuxconf to let users write to it, but it keeps coming up as read-only for non-root users. I have been su'ing to root to store stuff there. Does anyone know how to change this? -Andrew Vick = Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [snip] [root@F11-pc-3B022-1 DOS_hdd1]# chown -v wapether Wayne/ failed to change owner of Wayne to wapether chown: Wayne: Operation not permitted [root@F11-pc-3B022-1 DOS_hdd1]# What is the specific command I use to change ownership of this directory to my user profile? Wayne Wayne Petherick Criminology Department Bond University
RE: [expert] LILO woes
I've been getting the same error message from LILO: "L 01 01 01..." I've been getting around it by rebooting. When I turn on my computer, the first thing I do is Ctrl-Alt-Del. When the computer reboots, LILO runs without problem. To me the error only happens the first time I boot up my computer after it has been turned off. I have not figured out any solution beyound the three-fingered salute, I have a suspicion that it is caused by my harddrive. Do you, like I, have a large WDCaviar drive with EZ-Boot or their more modern DataLifeguard? I have no direct evidence that the drive (it is the second drive on my computer) is the problem, but (I suspect) it was causing boot trouble even before I installed Mandrake (I had/have Win98) causing the computer to freeze when Windows was booting. My little anecdote. -Andrew Vick = Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Dev, I had a similar problem with LILO on many distributions of Linux. I will tell you how I overcame the problem and hopefully you will be able to apply it to your system. When I did my install of Mandake 7.0-2 I was fortunate enough for it to tell me it LILO wouldn't like being installed installed on my HD with my Linux partition so far back, so what you have is a few options open to you. If you do what I did, you can install Linux on your first partiton (but make sure you install Wind'ohs first) which installs LILO in the MBR and then Linux is the next OS in the process. It seems to like this and will boot fine. Your other option is to allocate about 10MB or so of space at the beginning of your HD and use this for your boot software. I have heard reports that this will work, though you are better off installing Linux to your first partition. Basically, if Linux isn't located within the first 1024 cylinders of your HD LILO will have problems booting. WInd'ohs will still start up OK if it is not installed on the first partition because it doesn't recognise etx2 FS's and so it will believe it is still the first OS. The exact steps I took were: 1. PArtition my primary HD into three (two large one small) 2. Install Wind'ohs on the third one (if you don't format the first or second it will pcik up the second as C:) 3. Install Linux on the first partition and make sure you format it (use the second smaller partition for swap space) 4. When LILO installs it will pick up both Linux and Wind'ohs and will boot between both, depending on the choice you make at boot time. Let me know how you go. Tis worked for me and I can't see why it wouldn't work for you. I had about 7 unsuccessful attempts until I tried this, which worked like a charm and has run sweet ever since. Cheers, Wayne Wayne Petherick Criminology Department Bond University
Re: [expert] LILO woes
Include your /etc/lilo.conf and we may be able to help you. What you've given is not detailed enough to know what you did. Tom Dev Null wrote: I have a Windows NT system with two HD. The first disk is 1 partition with only Windows NT. The second disk has three partitions, NT uses one, the second is the one I'm trying to install Mandrake-Linux to, the third is the Linux swap. The install goes fine, except LILO is not working. When the pc boots up it prints "1 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01" repeatedly on the screen. I have to boot with a windows disk and run fdisk /mbr to get the PC to boot again, and then it's only going into NT (expected). I'm telling lilo that NT is at hda1, and Linux is at hdb2. Am I missing something? Shouldn't this work, ok so it doesn't, so what do I need to do to get it to work? /dev/null [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] Need help getting KDE 2 up and running.
The address may have been changed slightly... 1) go to "http://users.nf/linux/" 2) click the link labeled "step by step" 3) click the link labeled "KDE" 4) finally, click the link labelled "KDE2 Alpha" Let me know how you like KDE2! Take care, Matt From: "Ralph F. De Witt" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Need help getting KDE 2 up and running. Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 19:10:33 -0800 Matt I am unable to connect to your address, could you please double check it. Ralph On Sun, 12 Mar 2000, you wrote: Checkout the following URL: http://users.nf/linux/koffice.htm HTH, Matt From: "Ralph F. De Witt" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] Need help getting KDE 2 up and running. Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:09:14 -0800 I am running Mandrake 7.0 and am new to linux. I thought I followed the readme for installation of the kdealpha of 02282000, which is the full install of kde2 alpha. I have a qt-copy in /usr/src/kde/qt-copy and kde2 files are in /opt/kde2 the install was done from / as root, the the files were installed from the 02282000 rpm using the --install --force --nodeps options as indicated by the readme. The readme indicates nothing else needs to be done. How ever when I try to start kword I come up with a error dialouge that stats dcopserver needs to be running. I start dcopserver and then try to start kword and small amount of hard drive activity then nothing. Would like to get kde2 running, particularly koffice suite. Can any help me get it working. Thanks in advance. Ralph PS. Have tried the usual KDE sites for FAQ's to no avail. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [expert] Iconifying Windows With One Button On Taskbar
Well you already have a button that sort of does that now. If you're working in desktop One, you can just press button for destop two or three or four depending on which desktop has nothing else running on it ^_^ Sevatio Octavio wrote: How would you create an button on the taskbar that would iconify all windows so that you can see your desktop quickly? Seve
Re: [expert] File Permissions
- Original Message - From: Andrew Vick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 11:35 AM Subject: RE: [expert] File Permissions I can tell you the reason but not the fix. The partition is formatted as FAT, which has no concept of ownership. Thus, the ownership for it is determined by Linux. There is a way to change it; I wish I could tell you. I have a drive in the same position: I have tried using Linuxconf to let users write to it, but it keeps coming up as read-only for non-root users. I have been su'ing to root to store stuff there. Does anyone know how to change this? You could mount the partition as umsdos - that would allow *nix permissions for the files. Hoyt __ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
Re: [expert] auto X start
I believe typing LINUX 3 at the command prompt does this. I leave auto-X turned off for my home-pc, but I believe that's the ticket. I know LINUX 1 gets you a bash shell without even running your normal startup scripts or anything, but I think LINUX 3 is the fully-functional text-mode (gotta love that penguin!). Eric http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/re_answer.shtml Ivan Trail wrote: Hello, Is there a way to go back to the command shell that starts when there is no auto start of X? I guess I could make a bootdisk that has that option, but I don't know how to do that. Any help would be appreciated.
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[expert] Supermount
After failing to get PartitionMagic to properly resize my partitions, I gave up and reinstalled Mandrake 7, rebuilding the partition table during setup. Now, during initialization, it says "fs type supermount not recognized by kernel" and my cdrom and floppy drives require manual mount/umount. How can I get supermount to work? Since I work from inside KDE and BlackBox, it's a pain to have to keep typing mount/umount every time I change a floppy or CD. = Mage Grimau, Strange Unwashed Somewhat Slightly Dazed __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: [expert] File Permissions
On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Wayne wrote: [root@F11-pc-3B022-1 DOS_hdd1]# chown -v wapether Wayne/ failed to change owner of Wayne to wapether chown: Wayne: Operation not permitted [root@F11-pc-3B022-1 DOS_hdd1]# ^---this is the problem... are you sure this is a ext2 partition? I think not. ain't it a vfat one? vfat does not support permissions. -- Inprise/Borland CEO Dale Fuller was even more generous: "Microsoft will continue to be a player in this environment in this world," Fuller said, "*for a few more years.*"
RE: [expert] LILO woes
On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, you wrote: I have not figured out any solution beyound the three-fingered salute, I have a suspicion that it is caused by my harddrive. Do you, like I, have a large WDCaviar drive with EZ-Boot or their more modern DataLifeguard? I have no direct evidence that the drive (it is the second drive on my computer) is the problem, but (I suspect) it was causing boot trouble even before I installed Mandrake (I had/have Win98) causing the computer to freeze when Windows was booting. The problem is caused because LILO is trying to occupy the same space as EZ-Drive/EZ-Boot/DataLifeguard (assuming that's the software to allow older computers to see multi-gig drives?) The best bet is to have a small bootable DOS partition with loadlin and the kernel at the head of the drive... boot to that and then boot to Linux by running loadlin. But you'll have to read up on how to do loadlin, as I've never had to use it. John
Re: [expert] silly question
On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Gary Bunker wrote: OK, I'm an idiot. I just spent about 30 minutes trying to decipher manpages and other documentation that explained the difference in Unix between System and Hardware clocks. I get it now. :) Of course, now I have to change my cron job to update the Hardware Clock instead of the System clock, then update the system clock from the hardware clock. *sigh* At least when I have to reboot into Windows, the time will be right. :-) Um i suggest you update the hw clock with the software clock much easier to accomplish On 12 Mar, John Aldrich wrote: On Sun, 12 Mar 2000, you wrote: I beg to differ... Quoting from the man page: -s Set the local system time from the time retrieved from the remote machine. This, quite naturally, is only effective for root. Unless I'm totally mistaken (I could be for all I know G) this only sets the SOFTWARE clock. Which is why when you have your off-set wrong, and have your hardware (bios) clock set CORRECTLY, you can have a wrong time displayed... :-) John -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon
RE: [expert] File Permissions
On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Andrew Vick wrote: drive in the same position: I have tried using Linuxconf to let users write to it, but it keeps coming up as read-only for non-root users. I have been su'ing to root to store stuff there. Does anyone know how to change this? add a "user" to the fourth column where the partition is declared. that would allow any user to mount it. may be adding "umask=666" or "umask=777" will allow any user to write anywhere. I advise using the "noexec" and "quiet" options too: the first makes the files with exec perm off (on by default; annoying when trying to "get inside" of, e.g., a .tar file with the mc) and the last to avoid error messages when some utils like cp, mv and others tries to put permissions and ownerships to files copied or moved to (v)fat fs. -- Inprise/Borland CEO Dale Fuller was even more generous: "Microsoft will continue to be a player in this environment in this world," Fuller said, "*for a few more years.*"
Re: [expert] File Permissions
On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Hoyt wrote: - Original Message - From: Andrew Vick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 11:35 AM Subject: RE: [expert] File Permissions I can tell you the reason but not the fix. The partition is formatted as FAT, which has no concept of ownership. Thus, the ownership for it is determined by Linux. There is a way to change it; I wish I could tell you. I have a drive in the same position: I have tried using Linuxconf to let users write to it, but it keeps coming up as read-only for non-root users. I have been su'ing to root to store stuff there. Does anyone know how to change this? You could mount the partition as umsdos - that would allow *nix permissions for the files. Hoyt Um no it'd need formatted for that. Anyway setting up vfat for user access should be on MUO, or in the mail archives -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon
[expert] Penguin removal
Don't misunderstand me... I have nothing against the penguin console login screen. One of my customers has requested that the login screen appear more "professional". I sorta understand the blurb in rc.local that refers to /usr/bin/linux_logo and that it overwrites any "issue" file existing in /etc. I have no background in C and I think the linux-logo file is binary. I wish to do one of the following... 1) find a way to place my own ascii art on the login screen, or 2) prevent the re-writing of issue and call issue for the login screen. I have noticed that if I comment out the blurb in rc.local it doesn't call issue at all. Any solutions that a non-programmer can implement? Thanks in advance. p.s., after YGGDDRSL PP, Slackware, RH and Debian I have found Mandrake to be the best distro for a robust machine.
Re: [expert] User Probs
Tommi, try it from the comman line in a terminal type adduser "Name" (without the quotes) then passwd "Name" (again, no quotes) it will ask you to confirmt this password, so do that. This must be done as root. Wayne On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, you wrote: Hi all I use Mdk 7.0 Gnome Enlightenment. When i try to add a new user with LinuxConf it stops and i cant do nothing Its ok til i try to add pass word then crasch I have tryed 5-6 times and same all time :( Any1 else who have this prob? what to do any ...please.. Sorry 4 me bad Eng :) Tommi -- Wayne Petherick Criminology Department Bond University
RE: [expert] File Permissions
OK then, can I partitione the disk under linux, add a fat and an exts filesystem? How would I do thid? Wayne On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, you wrote: I can tell you the reason but not the fix. The partition is formatted as FAT, which has no concept of ownership. Thus, the ownership for it is determined by Linux. There is a way to change it; I wish I could tell you. I have a drive in the same position: I have tried using Linuxconf to let users write to it, but it keeps coming up as read-only for non-root users. I have been su'ing to root to store stuff there. Does anyone know how to change this? -Andrew Vick = Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [snip] [root@F11-pc-3B022-1 DOS_hdd1]# chown -v wapether Wayne/ failed to change owner of Wayne to wapether chown: Wayne: Operation not permitted [root@F11-pc-3B022-1 DOS_hdd1]# What is the specific command I use to change ownership of this directory to my user profile? Wayne Wayne Petherick Criminology Department Bond University -- Wayne Petherick Criminology Department Bond University
[expert] I want my KDE!
Hello All, I am still stumblimg around in X looking at all the desktops, window managers, and all the neat gadgets there are! I ventured into the Gnome area a couple of days ago and now it's my default desktop. Not that I don't like Gnome it's just that I don't understand it!! I've spent hours reading and looking at Gnome, but for raw functionally I perfer KDE for right now at least. So how do I regain KDE as my default startup desktop? I can still reach KDE through Gnome but would like to go there directly. Another thing is KDE won't let me logout, I have to Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to leave the X environment, I also get an xauthorty state- ment on startx that I used to not get. I'll bet all this is related somehow! Vern
Re: [expert] File Permissions
format as ext2 "Weave a circle round him thrice, And close your eyes with holy dread, For he on honeydew hath fed, And drunk the milk of paradise." (The linux user) - Original Message - From: "Andrew Vick" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 12:35 PM Subject: RE: [expert] File Permissions I can tell you the reason but not the fix. The partition is formatted as FAT, which has no concept of ownership. Thus, the ownership for it is determined by Linux. There is a way to change it; I wish I could tell you. I have a drive in the same position: I have tried using Linuxconf to let users write to it, but it keeps coming up as read-only for non-root users. I have been su'ing to root to store stuff there. Does anyone know how to change this? -Andrew Vick = Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [snip] [root@F11-pc-3B022-1 DOS_hdd1]# chown -v wapether Wayne/ failed to change owner of Wayne to wapether chown: Wayne: Operation not permitted [root@F11-pc-3B022-1 DOS_hdd1]# What is the specific command I use to change ownership of this directory to my user profile? Wayne Wayne Petherick Criminology Department Bond University
Re: [expert] File Permissions
format as ext2 "Weave a circle round him thrice, And close your eyes with holy dread, For he on honeydew hath fed, And drunk the milk of paradise." (The linux user) - Original Message - From: "Andrew Vick" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 12:35 PM Subject: RE: [expert] File Permissions I can tell you the reason but not the fix. The partition is formatted as FAT, which has no concept of ownership. Thus, the ownership for it is determined by Linux. There is a way to change it; I wish I could tell you. I have a drive in the same position: I have tried using Linuxconf to let users write to it, but it keeps coming up as read-only for non-root users. I have been su'ing to root to store stuff there. Does anyone know how to change this? -Andrew Vick = Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [snip] [root@F11-pc-3B022-1 DOS_hdd1]# chown -v wapether Wayne/ failed to change owner of Wayne to wapether chown: Wayne: Operation not permitted [root@F11-pc-3B022-1 DOS_hdd1]# What is the specific command I use to change ownership of this directory to my user profile? Wayne Wayne Petherick Criminology Department Bond University
Re: [expert] I want my KDE!
/usr/bin/switchdesk-kde If its not there, install it from the cd or download it from ftp mirror. Tom vern wrote: Hello All, I am still stumblimg around in X looking at all the desktops, window managers, and all the neat gadgets there are! I ventured into the Gnome area a couple of days ago and now it's my default desktop. Not that I don't like Gnome it's just that I don't understand it!! I've spent hours reading and looking at Gnome, but for raw functionally I perfer KDE for right now at least. So how do I regain KDE as my default startup desktop? I can still reach KDE through Gnome but would like to go there directly. Another thing is KDE won't let me logout, I have to Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to leave the X environment, I also get an xauthorty state- ment on startx that I used to not get. I'll bet all this is related somehow! Vern
Re: [expert] I want my KDE!
Vernat a console command line type switchdesk. Alan vern wrote: Hello All, I am still stumblimg around in X looking at all the desktops, window managers, and all the neat gadgets there are! I ventured into the Gnome area a couple of days ago and now it's my default desktop. Not that I don't like Gnome it's just that I don't understand it!! I've spent hours reading and looking at Gnome, but for raw functionally I perfer KDE for right now at least. So how do I regain KDE as my default startup desktop? I can still reach KDE through Gnome but would like to go there directly. Another thing is KDE won't let me logout, I have to Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to leave the X environment, I also get an xauthorty state- ment on startx that I used to not get. I'll bet all this is related somehow! Vern
Re: [expert] File Permissions
WayneI guess I missed the first part of this, but if what you have here is a vfat partition on the same computer as the Linux system is running that you want to be able to write to, then you need the entry 'umask=0' in the options column of your /etc/fstab file, like these two entries in mine: /dev/sda1 /mnt/dos_sda1 vfatuser,exec,umask=0 0 0 /dev/sdb1 /mnt/dos_sdb1 vfatuser,exec,umask=0 0 0 Alan Wayne wrote: OK then, can I partitione the disk under linux, add a fat and an exts filesystem? How would I do thid? Wayne On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, you wrote: I can tell you the reason but not the fix. The partition is formatted as FAT, which has no concept of ownership. Thus, the ownership for it is determined by Linux. There is a way to change it; I wish I could tell you. I have a drive in the same position: I have tried using Linuxconf to let users write to it, but it keeps coming up as read-only for non-root users. I have been su'ing to root to store stuff there. Does anyone know how to change this? -Andrew Vick = Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [snip] [root@F11-pc-3B022-1 DOS_hdd1]# chown -v wapether Wayne/ failed to change owner of Wayne to wapether chown: Wayne: Operation not permitted [root@F11-pc-3B022-1 DOS_hdd1]# What is the specific command I use to change ownership of this directory to my user profile? Wayne Wayne Petherick Criminology Department Bond University -- Wayne Petherick Criminology Department Bond University
Re: [expert] I want my KDE!
Vern, Look for Desktop Switching Tool. If you can't find it, just install the RPM again. It will let you switch desktops. Gregg Green DMS On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, you wrote: Hello All, I am still stumblimg around in X looking at all the desktops, window managers, and all the neat gadgets there are! I ventured into the Gnome area a couple of days ago and now it's my default desktop. Not that I don't like Gnome it's just that I don't understand it!! I've spent hours reading and looking at Gnome, but for raw functionally I perfer KDE for right now at least. So how do I regain KDE as my default startup desktop? I can still reach KDE through Gnome but would like to go there directly. Another thing is KDE won't let me logout, I have to Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to leave the X environment, I also get an xauthorty state- ment on startx that I used to not get. I'll bet all this is related somehow! Vern
Re: [expert] Program Compatibility
I have a friend who uses kmail under Gnome/Enlightenment. The apps might have do all of their nify integrated tricks, but they won't just out-and-out refuse to come up. (Not that I've tried them under fvwm, you understand.) On Sun, 12 Mar 2000, you wrote: | On Sun, 12 Mar 2000, John Aldrich wrote: | | On Sun, 12 Mar 2000, you wrote: | Are KDE programs compatible with IceWM or WindowMaker? I'm not all that | impressed with KDE or GNOME, and thought I'd give one of the smaller and | tighter GUI environments a try, but if apps won't run under them, then | there's no sense in switching... | | I *think* you have to run the KDE Desktop Manager, but you can run | ANY "Window Manager" on top of that... | John | | Nop, the window manager must be kde compliant. Would have to ask Daniel or | David if or how this might be changed in kde2 | | -- | MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ | --Axalon -- I am "Brian, the man from babble-on" (Brian T. Schellenberger). I can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . I support http://www.eff.org http://www.programming-freedom.org . I boycott amazon.com. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/amazon.html .
Re: [expert] Kernel Compile - Apologies
SORRY folks, my outlook express got away from me. Hence the quick burst of HTML that spewed forth. At leat it proves that the messages are read I got more responses on the HTML format, than on the original question, but at least I have learnt that the problem appears to be with Mandrakes rendition of the kernel. Are there any "recomended" Linux packages out there ie Corel, Slackware etc?? Thanks again for the input. Barry - Original Message - From: "Dana J. Laude" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [expert] Kernel Compile Next thing is to stop sending messages to this list in HTML format, hence edit your Outlook Express settings. Nothing personal, but posts to ANY list should be in text format, thus making all of us happy. ;) Dana Barry Winch wrote: Hi, I have recently installed Linux Mandrake 6.1 on a K6-2 400Mhz machine, 64Mb Mem and 8Gb Hard drive. All appears to be working well, it is on a LAN, X works etc. The next thing I need to do is to recompile the kernel to put in the HAM RADIO AX25 options. snip!
[expert] Thanks and another thing.....
First off thanks for the replies on the auto X start. If I had only known.. Next I configured the 7.0 upgrade to include supermount. Now I am unable to format a floppy as trhe device is considered busy by the system. Is this an error in supermount, a config problem or a problem with the operator headspace and timing? Any suggestions? Thanks again!!! Ivan
Re: lack of documentation (was Re: [expert] Removing supermount)
I suppose that I have an expectation that I shouldn't have to go to the net to get documentation on new features in the distribution. In my case it would seem that I got a bad copy of Mandrake 'cause I only seem to have two disks though the package looks like it's meant to hold three of 'em. (I got the Macmillan package.) I must say as well that I've been unimpressed by the lack of response to my "cooker" missive regarding installation issues and I will probably leave the Mandrake fold once Caldera comes out with their next distribution. They seem to spend a bit more time smoothing out the rough edges. (And they happen to include most of the packages *I* happen to want, though nowhere near the variety that Mandrake does. They simplify the task of installation by just flat-out choosing KDE and not giving as many options. Which is ok with me since I happen to like their options. It would presumably not satisfy most Mandrake users, however.) I will probably re-post my "issues" mail, broken up into pieces and cross-posted to the lists, though, just to see if there's any consensus on these issues that might motivate Mandrake to solve them or at least to respond . . . On Wed, 08 Mar 2000, you wrote: | On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Brian T. Schellenberger wrote: | | On Tue, 07 Mar 2000, Axalon wrote: | | On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, alann wrote: | | | | Just curious, does supermount NOT work?? Why are so many people wanting to |remove it? | | | | No supermount does work. | | | | It like everything else has basic do's and dont's that some people don't | | care to learn, | | I'm sorry, I've stayed restrained for a long time, but . . . | | Where do you get off saying that people "don't care to learn"??? | | HOW THE HELL ARE WE SUPPOSED TO KNOW HOW TO USE IT? | | The man entry for supermount doesn't discuss any of this. | | THERE ARE NO #@$! HOWTOS IN MANDRAKE 7.0!!! | | I've been using Unix for 19 years, and Linux for 6, but I've not been | reading minds at all. | | The sources of information I'm used to consulting don't explain this, | and when I installed Mandrake 7.0, my devices were just plain WRONG. | | I am rather offended at the suggestion that this somehow represents | laziness on my part. | | | | Funny less than 45 seconds with a browser and search engine and I came | up with a link to a rather nice README on supermount here: | | http://mops.uci.agh.edu.pl/mopsy-linux/Documentation/filesystems/supermount.txt | | I could suggest a little less caffeine in your diet while I'm at it. | | -- | Rich Clark | | Sign the petition at http://www.libranet.com/petition.html | Help bring us more Linux Drivers -- I am "Brian, the man from babble-on" (Brian T. Schellenberger). I can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . I support http://www.eff.org http://www.programming-freedom.org . I boycott amazon.com. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/amazon.html .
RE: [expert] File Permissions
Forgive me if this has been answered a buncha times already; I'm hopelessly behind in following this list! Anyway, it took me a long time to work this out but . . . For vfat partitions, whoever mounted it gets to write; others get to read. So just specifiy the "user" option and whoever wants to write to it should 'umount' it and then 'mount' it and voila! they can write to it. On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, you wrote: | I can tell you the reason but not the fix. The partition is formatted as FAT, | which has no concept of ownership. Thus, the ownership for it is determined | by Linux. There is a way to change it; I wish I could tell you. I have a | drive in the same position: I have tried using Linuxconf to let users write to | it, but it keeps coming up as read-only for non-root users. I have been | su'ing to root to store stuff there. Does anyone know how to change this? | | -Andrew Vick | | = Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] = | [snip] | [root@F11-pc-3B022-1 DOS_hdd1]# chown -v wapether Wayne/ | failed to change owner of Wayne to wapether | chown: Wayne: Operation not permitted | [root@F11-pc-3B022-1 DOS_hdd1]# | | What is the specific command I use to change ownership of this directory | to my user profile? | | Wayne | | | | | Wayne Petherick | Criminology Department | Bond University | | -- I am "Brian, the man from babble-on" (Brian T. Schellenberger). I can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . I support http://www.eff.org http://www.programming-freedom.org . I boycott amazon.com. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/amazon.html .
Re: [expert] WG: FVWM2
Yeah, that used to happen to me with fvwm sometimes, too. I now run KDE and haven't had the problem . . . But when I ran into it I'd just restart fvwm from the popup menu. No biggee; just takes a second or two, and doesn't kill any of you windows or anything. On Thu, 09 Mar 2000, you wrote: | -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- | Von: Grojer Juergen | Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 09. März 2000 11:38 | An: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' | Betreff: FVWM2 | | Hi, i have the following problem: | | I've installd FVWM2 on mandrake 7.0 | after a fev houres fvwm2 lacks to react on clicks to the window-controll | (iconify, raise, close, resize) but it still works via the menue. | | After reinstalling fvwm somtimes the problem is fixed. | | Is this a possible vmware error? | please help me, i've no further ideas for fixing this problem. | | | | best regards | | Grojer Jürgen | | CCN EB | Mailadministration | | SIEMENS AG Austria | Siemensstr. 88 - 92 | 1211 Wien | | Tel.: +43 51707 29153 | Handy:+43 676 3792713 | mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I am "Brian, the man from babble-on" (Brian T. Schellenberger). I can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . I support http://www.eff.org http://www.programming-freedom.org . I boycott amazon.com. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/amazon.html .
Re: [expert] Major partition magic screw up
And *NEVER* muck around with partitions (with PartitionMagic, fdisk, or anything else) without backing up all your important data first. It is always a dangerous operation. On Sun, 12 Mar 2000, you wrote: | On Sat, 11 Mar 2000, you wrote: | I tried to install Linux on a new box of mine, but the vidoe card isn't | supported yet. So, I decided I would delete the partition that I created | with the partition magic that it came with. Well, everyting went fine and it | told me that the partition was deleted. However, when I rebooted partition | magic loaded its self and tells me the Linux partition to be deleted can't | be found. It does this every time now and I can't get to my winders | partition, which, BTW has some pretty important stuff on it. What am I do | to Someone PLEASE help. Thanks for your time. | | Windows boot disk with fdisk, then "fdisk /mbr" from the Windows boot | disk. | John -- I am "Brian, the man from babble-on" (Brian T. Schellenberger). I can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . I support http://www.eff.org http://www.programming-freedom.org . I boycott amazon.com. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/amazon.html .
RE: [expert] network question
The full name. Or at least with the full name, the httpd startup succeeds, and with the first component it fails, so I assume it's correct . . . On Thu, 09 Mar 2000, you wrote: | Run linuxconf from a terminal. It deals with such setup and other stuff, like | file systems and user accounts. Linuxconf is your friend. | | To replace the question with one of my own, I'm not really understanding the | "basic host information" group (that's where you set the host name). In the | "host name" box, is that the full name (e.g., "vick.resnet.grinnell.edu") or | just the computer's name (e.g., "vick")? | | -Andrew Vick | | = Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] = | I have just installed Mamdrake 7.0, My network admin gave me an static | ip. | When I enterned the ip information and the etc. my system couldnt see | the network. | | So I reloaded my system and selected DHCP. now my system will connect . | | But why is my hostname localhost.localdomain. ? | How can I name my system it something other than localhost.localdomain.? -- I am "Brian, the man from babble-on" (Brian T. Schellenberger). I can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . I support http://www.eff.org http://www.programming-freedom.org . I boycott amazon.com. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/amazon.html .
Re: [expert] Why a mail list, and not a news group?
Perhaps it's "easy" to find in some sense, but it certainly wasn't obvious to me on the Mandrake pages. Most certainly the pages that point to these newsgroups should also point to the place where their FAQs are stored, but they do not. On Sat, 11 Mar 2000, you wrote: | Andrew Roberts wrote: | | Is there any possibility of converting/mirroring this list on a news-group. | The news-group could be local to Mandrakes news server, but it would save | cluttering my mail box with 100+ mails a day (Would only take 10 min's to | configure). | | Look at http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/ffreesup.php3 (which you can | address directly or via the "Free Support" menu item on the start page). | There it is written that a newsgroup is dealing with Mandrake issues. | Name of the group? | | news://alt.os.linux.mandrake | | We even had a FAQ for this newsgroup, maintained by Tom Berger who now | maintains http://www.mandrakeuser.org , another source of information | most "experts" seem to know nothing about. | | Sorry, but this was too obvious and too easy to find. | | wobo | -- | GPG-Fingerprint: FE5A 0891 7027 8D1B 4E3F 73C1 AD9B D732 A698 82EE | For Public Key mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: GPG-Request | --- | ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html -- I am "Brian, the man from babble-on" (Brian T. Schellenberger). I can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . I support http://www.eff.org http://www.programming-freedom.org . I boycott amazon.com. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/amazon.html .
Re: [expert] Still got my CD burner woes, help please
FWIW I get some funny complaints but CD-ROMS write ok anyway. (It decides that I have one, single track of 650M . . . well, unlimited capacity, actually, but scdbackup is kind enough not to try to write more than that.) On Thu, 09 Mar 2000, you wrote: | OK, I'm the one who started the remove supermount thread (and I'm not | proud of it, but I needed to know...) so I could see if supermount was | causing my CD burning to fail. Having executed the now famous supermount | disable command, I can state that it made not one iota of difference! | My CD burner still don't burn. | | I've been to the cdrecord website, followed every relevant link I could | find, read how-to's and FAQ's and the only things burning are my eyes | g so PLEASE, can anyone out there tell me what the following means: | | [root@treble /dev]# cdrecord -scanbus | Cdrecord release 1.8a29 Copyright (C) 1995-1999 Jörg Schilling | Using libscg version 'schily-0.1' | scsibus0: | cdrecord: Warning: controller returns wrong size for CD capabilities | page. | 0,0,0 0) 'LG ' 'CD-RW CED-8042B ' '1.05' Removable CD-ROM | 0,1,0 1) * | 0,2,0 2) * | 0,3,0 3) * | 0,4,0 4) * | 0,5,0 5) * | 0,6,0 6) * | 0,7,0 7) * | [root@treble /dev]# | | The only relevant explanation I have found is that it might be a | firmware bug (if so, how do I fix???) The LG branded CD-RW is, I | believe, a rebadged matsumi (at least, the box was a matsumi one with an | LG sticker on it!) and it is a recent model, so it should be compatible | according to all the hardware lists I've seen. | | Also, thanks Alan for your word, which I shall repeat since I can't | think of any better: | | Axalonthere's a significant thread here that I guess you | missed, try the archives. A group of us has been discussing | supermount problems for over a week now and you've not been | contributing at all (nor has anyone else from MandrakeSoft). | Brian is rightfully upset when you accuse him directly of not | careing to learn as should be all of us who have been involved | in this thread. You talk about disc 3 to a bunch of folks who | either downloaded an iso or bought a GPL? Probably no one here | has a powerpack that, by the way was only announced as available | on February 28th which was less than a week and a half ago. | | I think you owe Brian and all the rest of us involved in the | supermount thread a big apology! We've been trying very hard, | with no help from any mandrakeSoft personel, to work out the | problems that people have been having with supermount. | | Alan | | Thanks to all those who did reply with help on the supermount issue. | | Trevor. -- I am "Brian, the man from babble-on" (Brian T. Schellenberger). I can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . I support http://www.eff.org http://www.programming-freedom.org . I boycott amazon.com. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/amazon.html .
Re: [expert] auto X start
Temporary: "linux 3" at boot Permanent: set default runlevel to 3 in /etc/inittab On Sun, 12 Mar 2000, you wrote: | Hello, | I have a question pertaining to the option that starts X automatically. I | tried to configure a serial mouse and I thought all was well until I booted the | next startup at which time the computer booted to the place where it starts X | and hanged with the hdd making nioses and the screen flashing. Using the | ctrl-alt-del I could shutdown, and I noticed it said fatal server error: could | not start mouse: no such device. I finally remedied this with an upgrade to | 7.0. Not the best way to handle the situation. I finally have the new 7.0 | working ok, but my question is for futer referance. Is there a way to go back | to the command shell that starts when there is no auto start of X? I guess I | could make a bootdisk that has that option, but I don't know how to do that. | | Any help would be appreciated. -- I am "Brian, the man from babble-on" (Brian T. Schellenberger). I can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . I support http://www.eff.org http://www.programming-freedom.org . I boycott amazon.com. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/amazon.html .
Re: [expert] Kernel Compile - Apologies
I started with redhat 6.0 and then moved to 6.1 when it came out last fall. It was very good. Then I tried Mandrake 6.1 and found it was a lot of fun playing with kde. Mucked around with debian but found it a little out of date for my hardware, although my system admin offspring swears by debian - its really for the pure in heart. But then along came Mandrake 7.0 and lo and behold its works really great on my Dell Laptop with the ESS Maestro sound card at the getgo and also on my dual celeron smp with sblive sound card and it all functions perfectly. Mandrake 7.0 kicks butt. Hang out here and you can find out how to solve the "silly" problems and you'll be a stud muffin in no time. Tom Barry Winch wrote: SORRY folks, my outlook express got away from me. Hence the quick burst of HTML that spewed forth. At leat it proves that the messages are read I got more responses on the HTML format, than on the original question, but at least I have learnt that the problem appears to be with Mandrakes rendition of the kernel. Are there any "recomended" Linux packages out there ie Corel, Slackware etc?? Thanks again for the input.
Re: lack of documentation (was Re: [expert] Removing supermount)
"Brian T. Schellenberger" wrote: I suppose that I have an expectation that I shouldn't have to go to the net to get documentation on new features in the distribution. In my case it would seem that I got a bad copy of Mandrake 'cause I only seem to have two disks though the package looks like it's meant to hold three of 'em. (I got the Macmillan package.) I must say as well that I've been unimpressed by the lack of response to my "cooker" missive regarding installation issues and I will probably leave the Mandrake fold once Caldera comes out with their next distribution. They seem to spend a bit more time smoothing out the rough edges. (And they happen to include most of the packages *I* happen to want, though nowhere near the variety that Mandrake does. They simplify the task of installation by just flat-out choosing KDE and not giving as many options. Which is ok with me since I happen to like their options. It would presumably not satisfy most Mandrake users, however.) I will probably re-post my "issues" mail, broken up into pieces and cross-posted to the lists, though, just to see if there's any consensus on these issues that might motivate Mandrake to solve them or at least to respond . . . | Sign the petition at http://www.libranet.com/petition.html | Help bring us more Linux Drivers -- I am "Brian, the man from babble-on" (Brian T. Schellenberger). I can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . I support http://www.eff.org http://www.programming-freedom.org . I boycott amazon.com. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/amazon.html . I haven't seen much to impress in Caldera as far as smoothing rough edges. I install a LOT of linux systems, and Caldera is smooth only to the point of where you have hardware it isn't preprogrammed for. Then the tools are inadequate, the documentation doesn't match the performance and the telephone support can't pull up its own socks. The supposedly prepaid email support has never once responded to a registered inquiry in my experience, which encompasses 6 systems, 2 with 2.2 and 4 hopefuls (wishful thinking) with 2.3. Tis a fine thing that they include StarOffice in their distro because it is annoying to try to install Sun's edition there. The number of symlinks you have to make to get the error messages to go away is, I suppose, manageable in a script file once you discover them all, but why bother? These are self-help lists, and the presence of Mandrakesoft personnel here is NOT obligatory on their part. In other words, after his 14-hour day, the Mandrake programmer might skim the 200 or so emails on the various lists and respond to something that catches the eye, but then their status is another expert trying to help someone for basically altruistic reasons. Response to "issues" in the software usually should be expectable from the email support address for that purpose when you send email with your registration number. Moreover, some of the issues on install have a solution unpalatable to the folks who are at the helm for this distro. They involve returning to 386 code because a number of manufacturers have been cutting corners they should not have cut in little things like drive timing. The result is that the 586 code linuxes and the 686 code linuxes and even the 486 code linuxes are evoking these problems. Notable is the timing of the Western Digital IDE drive and the Seagate IDE Ultra-DMA drives. A slow WD master and a fast Maxtor slave will destroy each other's data with timing chatter, for example. Seagates are the source of many of the "lost interrupt" signals you see. And this happens with the Stampede distros as well. It is a HARDWARE problem. This distro is one of those that is pointing to it, and I would expect you will see disk drive manufacturers and other hardware manufacturers flock to the banner of compliance with standards to preserve their sales in the near future. But if for your needs you are satisfied with a 386-code linux, Caldera is the least likely to cause you complaint, even though they will fall well below your obviously high standards for answering issues and offering documentation. Civileme -- experimentation involving more than 500 trials with an ordinary slice of bread and a tablespoon of peanut butter has determined that the probability a random toss will land sticky side down (SSD) is approximately .98
Re: [expert] Penguin removal
On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, you wrote: Don't misunderstand me... I have nothing against the penguin console login screen. One of my customers has requested that the login screen appear more "professional". I sorta understand the blurb in rc.local that refers to /usr/bin/linux_logo and that it overwrites any "issue" file existing in /etc. I have no background in C and I think the linux-logo file is binary. I wish to do one of the following... 1) find a way to place my own ascii art on the login screen, or 2) prevent the re-writing of issue and call issue for the login screen. I have noticed that if I comment out the blurb in rc.local it doesn't call issue at all. Any solutions that a non-programmer can implement? Thanks in advance. I think you mostly have it figured out. What you need to do is change the if [ -x /usr/bin/linux_logo ];then /usr/bin/linux_logo -n -f /etc/issue echo "" /etc/issue in /etc/rc.d/rc.local to something like cat file_containing_what_your_client_wants_to_see_on_the_screen etc/issue echo "" /etc/issue p.s., after YGGDDRSL PP, Slackware, RH and Debian I have found Mandrake to be the best distro for a robust machine. -- Alex (Go easy on me, I'm a COBOL programmer in real life)
Re: [expert] I want my KDE!
You can find the Desktop Switching tool by clicking on 'k' system Desktop Switchin Tool -- Jim Pilrose [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Just another crazy guy, Champion of the Underdogs of this world *** On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, you wrote: Vern, Look for Desktop Switching Tool. If you can't find it, just install the RPM again. It will let you switch desktops. Gregg Green DMS On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, you wrote: Hello All, I am still stumblimg around in X looking at all the desktops, window managers, and all the neat gadgets there are! I ventured into the Gnome area a couple of days ago and now it's my default desktop. Not that I don't like Gnome it's just that I don't understand it!! I've spent hours reading and looking at Gnome, but for raw functionally I perfer KDE for right now at least. So how do I regain KDE as my default startup desktop? I can still reach KDE through Gnome but would like to go there directly. Another thing is KDE won't let me logout, I have to Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to leave the X environment, I also get an xauthorty state- ment on startx that I used to not get. I'll bet all this is related somehow! Vern -
Fwd: Re: [expert] I want my KDE!
-- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: [expert] I want my KDE! Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:25:12 -0800 From: Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can find the Desktop Switching tool by clicking on 'k' system Desktop Switchin Tool -- Jim Pilrose [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Just another crazy guy, Champion of the Underdogs of this world *** On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, you wrote: Vern, Look for Desktop Switching Tool. If you can't find it, just install the RPM again. It will let you switch desktops. Gregg Green DMS On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, you wrote: Hello All, I am still stumblimg around in X looking at all the desktops, window managers, and all the neat gadgets there are! I ventured into the Gnome area a couple of days ago and now it's my default desktop. Not that I don't like Gnome it's just that I don't understand it!! I've spent hours reading and looking at Gnome, but for raw functionally I perfer KDE for right now at least. So how do I regain KDE as my default startup desktop? I can still reach KDE through Gnome but would like to go there directly. Another thing is KDE won't let me logout, I have to Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to leave the X environment, I also get an xauthorty state- ment on startx that I used to not get. I'll bet all this is related somehow! Vern - --- -- Jim Pilrose [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Just another crazy guy, Champion of the Underdogs of this world ***
Re: lack of documentation (was Re: [expert] Removing supermount)
Not sure what your problems were but many of the common issues people have can be solved by openning a terminal and typing man (subject of the moment) Jim Pilrose [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Just another crazy guy, Champion of the Underdogs of this world ***On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, you wrote: I suppose that I have an expectation that I shouldn't have to go to the net to get documentation on new features in the distribution. In my case it would seem that I got a bad copy of Mandrake 'cause I only seem to have two disks though the package looks like it's meant to hold three of 'em. (I got the Macmillan package.) I must say as well that I've been unimpressed by the lack of response to my "cooker" missive regarding installation issues and I will probably leave the Mandrake fold once Caldera comes out with their next distribution. They seem to spend a bit more time smoothing out the rough edges. (And they happen to include most of the packages *I* happen to want, though nowhere near the variety that Mandrake does. They simplify the task of installation by just flat-out choosing KDE and not giving as many options. Which is ok with me since I happen to like their options. It would presumably not satisfy most Mandrake users, however.) I will probably re-post my "issues" mail, broken up into pieces and cross-posted to the lists, though, just to see if there's any consensus on these issues that might motivate Mandrake to solve them or at least to respond . . . On Wed, 08 Mar 2000, you wrote: | On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Brian T. Schellenberger wrote: | | On Tue, 07 Mar 2000, Axalon wrote: | | On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, alann wrote: | | | | Just curious, does supermount NOT work?? Why are so many people wanting to remove it? | | | | No supermount does work. | | | | It like everything else has basic do's and dont's that some people don't | | care to learn, | | I'm sorry, I've stayed restrained for a long time, but . . . | | Where do you get off saying that people "don't care to learn"??? | | HOW THE HELL ARE WE SUPPOSED TO KNOW HOW TO USE IT? | | The man entry for supermount doesn't discuss any of this. | | THERE ARE NO #@$! HOWTOS IN MANDRAKE 7.0!!! | | I've been using Unix for 19 years, and Linux for 6, but I've not been | reading minds at all. | | The sources of information I'm used to consulting don't explain this, | and when I installed Mandrake 7.0, my devices were just plain WRONG. | | I am rather offended at the suggestion that this somehow represents | laziness on my part. | | | | Funny less than 45 seconds with a browser and search engine and I came | up with a link to a rather nice README on supermount here: | | http://mops.uci.agh.edu.pl/mopsy-linux/Documentation/filesystems/supermount.txt | | I could suggest a little less caffeine in your diet while I'm at it. | | -- | Rich Clark | | Sign the petition at http://www.libranet.com/petition.html | Help bring us more Linux Drivers -- I am "Brian, the man from babble-on" (Brian T. Schellenberger). I can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . I support http://www.eff.org http://www.programming-freedom.org . I boycott amazon.com. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/amazon.html . -- Jim Pilrose [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Just another crazy guy, Champion of the Underdogs of this world ***
Re: lack of documentation (was Re: [expert] Removing supermount)
"Brian T. Schellenberger" wrote: I suppose that I have an expectation that I shouldn't have to go to the net to get documentation on new features in the distribution. I think that I had that expectation at one time. It has been corrected. That is THE place to look for info, whether it is Microsoft, Caldera, RedHat, Debian, FreeBSD, BeOS, or what have you. In my case it would seem that I got a bad copy of Mandrake 'cause I only seem to have two disks though the package looks like it's meant to hold three of 'em. (I got the Macmillan package.) Well, the MacMillan distro is just the bare essentials--the power pack has 6 or 7 CDs I must say as well that I've been unimpressed by the lack of response to my "cooker" missive regarding installation issues and I will probably leave the Mandrake fold once Caldera comes out with their next distribution. They seem to spend a bit more time smoothing out the rough edges. Principal focus on cooker at this time would be preparing new packages. The sort of interaction you seek happens during a code freeze when the folks at Mandrakesoft are responding to nearly every missive, not only with a comment but often with a fix. You might want to hang around long enough to find out what it is like. As for Caldera's "smoothing out the rough edges", I sent a separate post about my experiences. I had zero sound working on 6 installations that I eventually trashed for Mandrake. The kernel tools in Caldera seem to make it HARDER to handle modules that Mandrake by quite a lot. It was almost like fighting win98 install wizards. (And they happen to include most of the packages *I* happen to want, though nowhere near the variety that Mandrake does. They simplify the task of installation by just flat-out choosing KDE and not giving as many options. Which is ok with me since I happen to like their options. It would presumably not satisfy most Mandrake users, however.) "Daddy, why do we have to hide from the police?" "Because we use emacs, son. They use vi." I will probably re-post my "issues" mail, broken up into pieces and cross-posted to the lists, though, just to see if there's any consensus on these issues that might motivate Mandrake to solve them or at least to respond . . . If you're not trying to fix it, it must not be a problem. G Seriously, I will be looking forward to seeing your "issues". BIG SNIP I am "Brian, the man from babble-on" (Brian T. Schellenberger). I can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . I support http://www.eff.org http://www.programming-freedom.org . I boycott amazon.com. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/amazon.html . Civileme -- experimentation involving more than 500 trials with an ordinary slice of bread and a tablespoon of peanut butter has determined that the probability a random toss will land sticky side down (SSD) is approximately .98
Re: [expert] Why a mail list, and not a news group?
On Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 21:57 -0500, Brian T. Schellenberger wrote: Perhaps it's "easy" to find in some sense, but it certainly wasn't obvious to me on the Mandrake pages. Why? This may be of interest. Is there a way to improve the page so people may find it easier? Should there be - apart from "Free Support" and "Mailing Lists" - another menue item "Newsgroup"? AND SHALL WE PAINT IT RED? SCNR. No offense meant. Most certainly the pages that point to these newsgroups should also point to the place where their FAQs are stored, but they do not. Because there is no FAQ anymore in the original sense of a FAQ. MUO (http://www.mandrakeuser.org) took it's place. I mailed Tom (maintainer of MUO) to jump into this thread but seems he is not at home. wobo -- GPG-Fingerprint: FE5A 0891 7027 8D1B 4E3F 73C1 AD9B D732 A698 82EE For Public Key mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: GPG-Request --- ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html
Re: lack of documentation (was Re: [expert] Removing supermount)
On Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 22:09 -0500, Brian T. Schellenberger wrote: I suppose that I have an expectation that I shouldn't have to go to the net to get documentation on new features in the distribution. It depends. If you "buy" the free version (i.e. d'l the ISO of the main CD from the net) then it is IMHO unavoidable to get further documentation from the same source - the net. If you buy a full pack you should have all included. Like the "all inclusive" tours around the Windy City where you are entitled to get mugged. (Sorry folks up there, could've picked any city. Just personal experiences.) In my case it would seem that I got a bad copy of Mandrake 'cause I only seem to have two disks though the package looks like it's meant to hold three of 'em. (I got the Macmillan package.) So how can you blame Mandrake for something Macmillan does? I don't know what Macmillan or Goofy or one of the trolls in Tolkien's universe ship, I just know what Mandrake ships. That's a 6 CD set for the PowerPack. Same kind of complaint that folks here in the main bookstore started. All were waiting for the new Mandrake PowerPack to be delivered. Then it came. Then it was *not* the PowerPack from Mandrake but the DeLuxe pack from Macmillan (which the store ordered), on sale for 189,00 DM. People started to complain saying that Mandrake announced the pack to cost around 90,00 DM. Now it costs nearly the double. They didn't realize that it was not the Mandrake pack but the Macmillan pack. I think it's all a matter of *exact* information. wobo -- GPG-Fingerprint: FE5A 0891 7027 8D1B 4E3F 73C1 AD9B D732 A698 82EE For Public Key mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: GPG-Request --- ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html
Re: lack of documentation (was Re: [expert] Removing supermount)
Brianwhen I tried out Caldera there were sure enough rough edges for me. Also, the real official Linux Mandrake Power Pack has 6 cd's and a whole bunch of stuff in rpm format that you can't find anywhere else (like star office wordperfect). Maybe you shouldn't write off Mandrake so easily or quickly or lightly? Enjoy. Alan "Brian T. Schellenberger" wrote: I suppose that I have an expectation that I shouldn't have to go to the net to get documentation on new features in the distribution. In my case it would seem that I got a bad copy of Mandrake 'cause I only seem to have two disks though the package looks like it's meant to hold three of 'em. (I got the Macmillan package.) I must say as well that I've been unimpressed by the lack of response to my "cooker" missive regarding installation issues and I will probably leave the Mandrake fold once Caldera comes out with their next distribution. They seem to spend a bit more time smoothing out the rough edges. (And they happen to include most of the packages *I* happen to want, though nowhere near the variety that Mandrake does. They simplify the task of installation by just flat-out choosing KDE and not giving as many options. Which is ok with me since I happen to like their options. It would presumably not satisfy most Mandrake users, however.) I will probably re-post my "issues" mail, broken up into pieces and cross-posted to the lists, though, just to see if there's any consensus on these issues that might motivate Mandrake to solve them or at least to respond . . . On Wed, 08 Mar 2000, you wrote: | On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Brian T. Schellenberger wrote: | | On Tue, 07 Mar 2000, Axalon wrote: | | On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, alann wrote: | | | | Just curious, does supermount NOT work?? Why are so many people wanting to remove it? | | | | No supermount does work. | | | | It like everything else has basic do's and dont's that some people don't | | care to learn, | | I'm sorry, I've stayed restrained for a long time, but . . . | | Where do you get off saying that people "don't care to learn"??? | | HOW THE HELL ARE WE SUPPOSED TO KNOW HOW TO USE IT? | | The man entry for supermount doesn't discuss any of this. | | THERE ARE NO #@$! HOWTOS IN MANDRAKE 7.0!!! | | I've been using Unix for 19 years, and Linux for 6, but I've not been | reading minds at all. | | The sources of information I'm used to consulting don't explain this, | and when I installed Mandrake 7.0, my devices were just plain WRONG. | | I am rather offended at the suggestion that this somehow represents | laziness on my part. | | | | Funny less than 45 seconds with a browser and search engine and I came | up with a link to a rather nice README on supermount here: | | http://mops.uci.agh.edu.pl/mopsy-linux/Documentation/filesystems/supermount.txt | | I could suggest a little less caffeine in your diet while I'm at it. | | -- | Rich Clark | | Sign the petition at http://www.libranet.com/petition.html | Help bring us more Linux Drivers -- I am "Brian, the man from babble-on" (Brian T. Schellenberger). I can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . I support http://www.eff.org http://www.programming-freedom.org . I boycott amazon.com. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/amazon.html .
Re: [expert] Thanks and another thing.....
Ivanunmount it with the umount command, then format it. Alan Ivan Trail wrote: First off thanks for the replies on the auto X start. If I had only known.. Next I configured the 7.0 upgrade to include supermount. Now I am unable to format a floppy as trhe device is considered busy by the system. Is this an error in supermount, a config problem or a problem with the operator headspace and timing? Any suggestions? Thanks again!!! Ivan
