[expert] Installing Mandrake 8 on low memory machine

2001-07-08 Thread David Joham



Has 
anyone had any luck installing Mandrake 8 on a machine with semi-low 
memory?

I've 
got a Toshiba 435 CDS with 48M (the max) and Mandrake complains that that is not 
enough to create its install ramdisk. That seems a little odd to me since 48M 
for an install should be plenty. Also, RedHat 7.1 installs fine on the same 
machine. Finally, I just installed Mandrake 8 on another laptop with 48M and it 
worked fine.

Is 
there any way to tell Mandrake in the install to simply go ahead and let me take 
my chances? What would be different between the two laptops with the same amount 
of memory?

TIA

David


RE: [expert] Installing Mandrake 8 on low memory machine

2001-07-08 Thread David Joham


No, the FTP install didn't want to work either. I'm trying a standard CDROM
install

David

-Original Message-
From: Digital Wokan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 9:49 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] Installing Mandrake 8 on low memory machine


Are you trying to do an FTP install?

 David Joham wrote:
 
 Has anyone had any luck installing Mandrake 8 on a machine with
 semi-low memory?
 
 I've got a Toshiba 435 CDS with 48M (the max) and Mandrake complains
 that that is not enough to create its install ramdisk. That seems a
 little odd to me since 48M for an install should be plenty. Also,
 RedHat 7.1 installs fine on the same machine. Finally, I just
 installed Mandrake 8 on another laptop with 48M and it worked fine.
 
 Is there any way to tell Mandrake in the install to simply go ahead
 and let me take my chances? What would be different between the two
 laptops with the same amount of memory?
 
 TIA
 
 David




Re: [expert] Installing Mandrake 8 on low memory machine

2001-07-08 Thread Digital Wokan

Interesting.  I ran into the RAM problem only attempting to do an FTP
install.  At work, I've set up a 32MB box to act as a newsletter
server.  While it's running 7.2 now due to 8.0's lack of the Sympa
package (nobody say anything about the Contribs package, I already tried
that), I did install 8.0 on it originally from a CD-ROM without any
problems.  The only thing it asked was that I let it format and begin
using the swap partition immediately instead of after the install was
done.

David Joham wrote:
 
 No, the FTP install didn't want to work either. I'm trying a standard CDROM
 install
 
 David
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Digital Wokan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 9:49 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [expert] Installing Mandrake 8 on low memory machine
 
 Are you trying to do an FTP install?
 
  David Joham wrote:
 
  Has anyone had any luck installing Mandrake 8 on a machine with
  semi-low memory?
 
  I've got a Toshiba 435 CDS with 48M (the max) and Mandrake complains
  that that is not enough to create its install ramdisk. That seems a
  little odd to me since 48M for an install should be plenty. Also,
  RedHat 7.1 installs fine on the same machine. Finally, I just
  installed Mandrake 8 on another laptop with 48M and it worked fine.
 
  Is there any way to tell Mandrake in the install to simply go ahead
  and let me take my chances? What would be different between the two
  laptops with the same amount of memory?
 
  TIA
 
  David




RE: [expert] Installing Mandrake 8 on low memory machine

2001-07-08 Thread David Joham

Did you do anything special to have it ask you to format immediately?

I have to use the boot disk and then choose F1 and then expert or text. It
loads the kernel, finds the CDROM and then goes into second stage install
At that point it dies. Going to tty4 (I think) to see the install log shows
that it found 48 Meg (correct) and that it isn't enough for the ramdisk. It
then shuts down with nothing else I can do.

Thanks for your help...

David

-Original Message-
From: Digital Wokan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 10:14 PM
To: David Joham
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] Installing Mandrake 8 on low memory machine


Interesting.  I ran into the RAM problem only attempting to do an FTP
install.  At work, I've set up a 32MB box to act as a newsletter
server.  While it's running 7.2 now due to 8.0's lack of the Sympa
package (nobody say anything about the Contribs package, I already tried
that), I did install 8.0 on it originally from a CD-ROM without any
problems.  The only thing it asked was that I let it format and begin
using the swap partition immediately instead of after the install was
done.

David Joham wrote:
 
 No, the FTP install didn't want to work either. I'm trying a standard
CDROM
 install
 
 David
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Digital Wokan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 9:49 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [expert] Installing Mandrake 8 on low memory machine
 
 Are you trying to do an FTP install?
 
  David Joham wrote:
 
  Has anyone had any luck installing Mandrake 8 on a machine with
  semi-low memory?
 
  I've got a Toshiba 435 CDS with 48M (the max) and Mandrake complains
  that that is not enough to create its install ramdisk. That seems a
  little odd to me since 48M for an install should be plenty. Also,
  RedHat 7.1 installs fine on the same machine. Finally, I just
  installed Mandrake 8 on another laptop with 48M and it worked fine.
 
  Is there any way to tell Mandrake in the install to simply go ahead
  and let me take my chances? What would be different between the two
  laptops with the same amount of memory?
 
  TIA
 
  David




Re: [expert] Show status of adsl connect

2001-07-08 Thread Laurent CREPET

On Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 02:56:18AM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
 Got adsl yesterday and managed the setup. though not using draknet. I
 tried draknet first but it did not work. Then I ran adsl-setup and added
 a defaultroute in adsl-start. Now it works like a charm.
 Problem is, 11 (my provider) cuts the link after 15 minutes
 of inactivity and after 14 hours of continous running.
 
 1. I put up a cronjob which sends 1 ping tom my own domain every 14
 minutes.
 

I'm using rp-pppoe 3.1 (and even with 3.0), and my connexion is
automatically restarted when rp-pppoe detect that it's not online
(the french provider cuts the line everey 23h50, I think).


 2. It's no prob for me to restart every 24 hours. It would be nice, if
 this happened automagically but 
 
 3. My actual Q: Is there a little icon or sign to put on the KDE panel
 which shows the status of the connection? Today I saw Linux on a PPC and
 there was this small connection symbol which got unconnected when the
 internet connection broke. Is there such a thing?
 
 wobo
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Fwd: Re: [expert] FONTS im getting tired of this

2001-07-08 Thread Oscar

El Sáb 07 Jul 2001 18:27, escribiste:
 On Sat, 7 Jul 2001 10:49:22 +0200

 Maxim Heijndijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Maybe you should just comment out the lines containing Type1 fonts. It
  worked for Netscape, which also had unreadable fonts.

 I tried that. And I did restart X and xfs.  I don't have any abisuite
 lines in /etc/X11/fs/config.  It has made no difference - Abiword is still
 almost unreadable.  Netscape fonts have always looked OK on my system.

 I guess I'll have to dump Abiword and try something else.

 Thanks,
 Bob

If you need Abiword, try downloading and installing abiword from
www.abisource.com
Salu2,
Oscar.

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Re: [expert] Strange problem with CD-RW...

2001-07-08 Thread Maxim Heijndijk

* Stardate: 2001-07-04 21:22
* Incoming subspace signal from Neal Lippman [EMAIL PROTECTED] :

 Can someone help me with a strange problem with reading CD's in my CDRW?
 My system is MDK 7.2 with kernel upgraded to 2.4.4. I have a DVD reader which 
 is /dev/hdc and an HP CD writer as /dev/hdd (eg slave device on the second 
 IDE interface).
 Because it is a CD writer, I have configured SCSI emulation for it, and on my 
 command line when booting I use the option hdd=ide-scsi for that purpose. I 
 have an appropriate scsi device called /dev/scd0, and also have a link 
 /dev/cdrom2 - /dev/scd0.

On my system it is /dev/cdrom2 - /dev/sr1

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Re: [expert] disk activity renders machine unusable, forces manual reboot

2001-07-08 Thread D. R. Evans

FWIW, I have tentatively fingered ntpd as the culprit. At least, since 
turning off ntpd I have not seen a recurrence of this problem.

  Doc Evans

 -

On 4 Jul 01, at 18:40, D. R. Evans wrote:

 Running LM 7.2 on a stock 700 MHz Athlon.
 
 Everything was working fine until sometime in the past day or two 
 something got changed such that I now see the following behaviour:
 
 Sometimes when the clock ticks across an hour boundary, the disk light 
 comes on and stays on. The machine is so busy that the only thing I can 
 do is to power it down.
 
 This happened yesterday at 2300Z and today at 2400Z.
 
 Is there anything I can do that will let me log what process might be 
 causing this, so that after the enforced manual reboot I can figure out 
 which process is the culprit?
 
 I have made a lot of changes to user programs in the past day or so, 
 although I would like to think that Linux would ensure that if the 
 problem was a regular user program, I would still be able to get enough 
 time to log in and run a ps to look to see what's happening.
 
 I also added ntpd (the 4.0 latest release from ntp.org), which seems 
 very suspicious to me -- but it's pretty hard to believe that anything 
 problem this major could be lurking in such well-tested code; 
 especially since I'm not doing anything fancy in the config file.
 
   Doc Evans
 
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Re: [expert] Installer creates extended partition on hda2.

2001-07-08 Thread civileme

On Sunday 08 July 2001 13:17, Maxim Heijndijk wrote:
 I used to be able to mount my ext2 partitions from Windows.
 The past half year I tried reiserfs, which gave me problems, so I'm
 back to ext2 again. However, I cannot mount my ext2 partitions from
 Windoze anymore.

 This is the output of fdisk -l /dev/hda :

 Disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 784 cylinders
 Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes

Device BootStart   EndBlocks   Id  System
 /dev/hda1   * 1   196   1574338+   6  FAT16
 /dev/hda2   197   784   4723110   85  Linux extended
 /dev/hda5   197   392   1574338+  83  Linux
 /dev/hda6   393   405104391   82  Linux swap
 /dev/hda7   406   758   2835441   83  Linux
 /dev/hda8   759   784208813+  83  Linux

 It seems that the Mandrake-8.0 Installer (diskdrake) created an extended
 partition  on hda2. Shouldnt that be hda5 ? I thought hda1-4 could only
 be primary partitions. Is there a way to change this without losing my data
 ?


Whoa!

Here is how it works

The first sector on the disk has some OS pointers and then at byte 446 starts 
the partition table.  There are 4 16-byte entries and then two signature 
bytes at 510 and 511.

If there are to be any extended partitions, one of those entries has to point 
to the first sector of the extended partition.--this is like hda2.

Now in the first sector of partition 2, there are two entries.  One points to 
the beginning of hda5(physical data), and the other to the next extended 
partition, (hda6), where the process is repeated int the first sector of that 
partition and so on...

One of the flaws of 7.2 is that if you make an extended partition with no 
physical partitions inside, diskdrake will say your partition table is 
invalid and offer you a blank one--that's because the first sector of the 
extended partition contains formatting characters or random data.  We have 
closed that hole in 8.0  Diskdrake now complains but then recovers the table.

explore2fs or similar programs should be able to see your linux partitions, 
if you have the latest versions that support sparse superblocks.

Civileme






[expert] strange network/firewall problem

2001-07-08 Thread Glenn Johnson

I have Mandrake 8.0 installed.  I set up a firewall with
InteractiveBastille and have been using this setup for several weeks
without problem.  Last weekend, my cable Internet provider had problems
with their DHCP server.  Since they got their system back up and running
I have been having a strange problem with my Mandrake system.

It is a home machine so I power it down at night.  When I start the
machine the first time of the day however I can not get out on the
Internet.  I checked to make sure that the Ethernet interfaces are up
and that the external interface has an IP address via DHCP from the
cable service provider.  The 'Activity' light on the cable modem lights
up and it looks like something is happening but no services can be
reached.

Now, if I execute 'service bastille-firewall stop' followed by 'service
bastille-firewall start', everything will start working.  I have not
made any changes to my firewall setup and this behavior did not start
until after the cable company had their DHCP failure.  What is really
strange though is that if I power off the machine and then power it back
on a few minutes later, everything works fine.  I do not have to stop
and start the firewall.

I am thinking there is probably something funny going on with the DHCP
lease from one day to the next but I am not sure how to pinpoint this.
If this is the problem then is there a way to fix it on my end or what
do I need to tell the cable company so that they can get things working
back the way it used to.

Thanks in advance.

-- 
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[expert] Sound problems haunt me

2001-07-08 Thread Praedor Tempus

I have upgraded to KDE 2.2 beta on my Mandrake 8.0 system.  Of course, to do 
this required that I upgrade a number of other things to meet dependencies.  
Somewhere in all this I have lost sound.

I have an AOpen AK72 mobo with an Athlon 700 and builtin AC97 via686a sound.  
It has worked fine in the past with Mandrake 7.1 - 8.0.  It was working 
recently as well when I was running KDE 2.2 alpha.  Now, since upgrading to 
KDE beta, it no longer works.  Incidently, I also have a laptop (IBM 
Thinkpad) running Mandrake 8.0 (plus KDE 2.2 beta).  It has a builtin Ess 
Solo1 soundsystem which has worked find in the past too - until upgrading to 
KDE beta.  Both these systems show the same error message on starting KDE:

Error while initializing the sound driver:
device: /dev/dsp can't be opened (Invalid argument)

Huh?  Has something changed drastically recently from the way sound is 
handled in KDE 2.2 alpha and KDE 2.2 beta?  My kernel and its drivers appear 
not to matter at all - upgrading to KDE beta (and perhaps its attendent rpm 
dependencies - all billion of them) screws up sound.  Has anyone else run 
into this?  If so, have you fixed it?  There still is a /dev/dsp on my 
system, it hasn't changed.




Re: [expert] Grub

2001-07-08 Thread Hoyt

On Sunday 08 July 2001 02:11 pm, Ozz methodically organized electrons to 
state:
 Hi Guys.

 How do I add another kernel boot option to grub?  

Edit /boor/grub/menu.lst and add a new stanza for the kernel you want to boot.

Hoyt




Re: [expert] Grub

2001-07-08 Thread Ozz


On Sunday 08 July 2001 14:47, Hoyt wrote:

 Edit /boor/grub/menu.lst and add a new stanza for the kernel you want to
 boot.

I finally found it - for some reason, /boot is NOT the true boot partition 
here.  I manually mounted /dev/hda5 as /mnt/boot, and there, finally, was 
menu.lst.

Here is my drive layout (from fdisk):

==
Disk /dev/hda: 240 heads, 63 sectors, 839 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 15120 * 512 bytes

   Device BootStart   EndBlocks   Id  System
/dev/hda1   * 220143640   84  OS/2 hidden C: drive
/dev/hda221   839   6191640   85  Linux extended
/dev/hda52122 15088+  83  Linux
/dev/hda62349204088+  82  Linux swap
/dev/hda750   839   5972368+  83  Linux
==

hda1 is the suspend partition on the laptop.
hda5 is mounted as /boot
hda7 is mounted as /

However, whilst I have a kernel and initrd.img for 2.2.17, I lonly have a 
kernel for 2.4.3 - no initrd.img.  Will it hurt to use the 2.2.17 
initrd.img when I boot the 2.4.3 kernel?

Regards,
Ozz.






Re: [expert] Installer creates extended partition on hda2.

2001-07-08 Thread David C. Hoos, Sr.

An extended partition _is_ a primary partition.

The partition numbers from 5 and up refer to partitions
_within_ the extended partition.

There can be only four primary partitions -- all or none of
which may be extended partitions.  Non-extended primary
patrons can have no partitions within them, so if there are
four non-extended primary partitions, then there can be no
more than four partitions total.

Unlike Micro$oft OSs, Linux can boot from an extended
partition, so all primary partitions could be extended partitions
if you had no need for a Micro$oft OS.

All that said, there are two kinds of extended patrons
recognized by Linux fdisk and friends -- DOS extended (type 5),
and Linux extended (type 85).

Micro$oft OSs do not recognize type 85 (nor do Partition
Magic and Boot Magic), so that explains why Windoze cannot
see your ext2 partitions.

If you change the type 85 partition to type 5, both Micro$oft
OSs and Linux will be able to see the ext2 partitions within
the extended partition.


- Original Message -
From: Maxim Heijndijk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: expert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: July 08, 2001 8:17 AM
Subject: [expert] Installer creates extended partition on hda2.


 I used to be able to mount my ext2 partitions from Windows.
 The past half year I tried reiserfs, which gave me problems, so I'm
 back to ext2 again. However, I cannot mount my ext2 partitions from
 Windoze anymore.

 This is the output of fdisk -l /dev/hda :

 Disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 784 cylinders
 Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes

Device BootStart   EndBlocks   Id  System
 /dev/hda1   * 1   196   1574338+   6  FAT16
 /dev/hda2   197   784   4723110   85  Linux extended
 /dev/hda5   197   392   1574338+  83  Linux
 /dev/hda6   393   405104391   82  Linux swap
 /dev/hda7   406   758   2835441   83  Linux
 /dev/hda8   759   784208813+  83  Linux

 It seems that the Mandrake-8.0 Installer (diskdrake) created an extended
 partition  on hda2. Shouldnt that be hda5 ? I thought hda1-4 could only
 be primary partitions. Is there a way to change this without losing my data
?

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Re: [expert] Grub

2001-07-08 Thread Alexander Skwar

So sprach Ozz am Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 03:31:47PM -0400:
 kernel for 2.4.3 - no initrd.img.  Will it hurt to use the 2.2.17 
 initrd.img when I boot the 2.4.3 kernel?

Yep, it will.  Use mkinitrd

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Re: [expert] Installer creates extended partition on hda2.

2001-07-08 Thread Felix Miata

David C. Hoos, Sr. wrote:
 
 An extended partition _is_ a primary partition.
 
 The partition numbers from 5 and up refer to partitions
 _within_ the extended partition.

the being a keyword . . .
 
 There can be only four primary partitions -- all or none of
 which may be extended partitions.  Non-extended primary
 patrons can have no partitions within them, so if there are
 four non-extended primary partitions, then there can be no
 more than four partitions total.
 
 Unlike Micro$oft OSs, Linux can boot from an extended

True, as can others besides Linux.

 partition, so all primary partitions could be extended partitions
 if you had no need for a Micro$oft OS.

I don't think this is true. I'm pretty sure that any extended partitions
beyond the first will be ignored, assuming you could find a standard
partitioning tool to let you create more than one in the first place.
FDISK for windoze, Partition Magic, and FDISK for OS/2 certainly won't.
I think to get multiple extendeds you'd have to create those beyond #1
with a sector editor or other non-standard partitioning tool, either of
which would create a useless space allocation.
 
 All that said, there are two kinds of extended patrons
 recognized by Linux fdisk and friends -- DOS extended (type 5),
 and Linux extended (type 85).

These are only two of three I know of.
 
 Micro$oft OSs do not recognize type 85 (nor do Partition
 Magic and Boot Magic), so that explains why Windoze cannot
 see your ext2 partitions.

It shouldn't explain invisibility of a primary EXT2. His description
seemed to indicate that he possibly did once have one.

 If you change the type 85 partition to type 5, both Micro$oft
 OSs and Linux will be able to see the ext2 partitions within
 the extended partition.

This depends on windoze version and HD size. If the HD size is 8 Gb and
the windoze version is FAT32 capable and at least one non-primary
windoze partition is FAT32, then the extended type will probably need to
be 0Fh instead of 05h in order for windoze to properly access
non-primary partitions. When multiple logical partitions exist on a 8
Gb HD, usually windoze SCANDISK will not run properly to completion, and
windoze may assign a phantom drive a letter and misassign a letter to an
existing partition. Enabling large drive support in windoze causes
windoze FDISK to assign type 0Fh to the extended partition.
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Re: [expert] Show status of adsl connect

2001-07-08 Thread Wolfgang Bornath

On Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 03:40 +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote:
 So sprach Wolfgang Bornath am Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 02:56:18AM +0200:
  internet connection broke. Is there such a thing?
 
 Forgot a thing:  In the new pppoe package in Cooker (and on the roaring
 penguin site), there's a rp-pppoe-gui TK program.  With this, you can
 see if your online and also stop/start connections

Nice idea, thank you.
D'led rp-pppoe-3.1-2mdk.586.rpm and rp-pppoe-gui-3.1-2mdk.586.rpm
Installed them without error message.
Started tkpppoe as root and filled in the appropriate data (took them
from the backed up files of the before running version.
Started the connection...
The 2 small led fields are supposed to change to red, don't they?
Well, they stayed grey and after timeout I got:

Error starting connection. Child process exited abnormally.

Which child process? It doesn't tell.

In /var/log/messages I get:

 pppd[2674]: pppd 2.4.0 started by root, uid 0
 pppd[2674]: Couldn't attach to PPP unit 0:Invalid argument
 pppd[2674]: Exit.
 adsl-connect: ADSL connection lost; attempting re-connection. 


I looked at the script in /usr/bin but did not find any fault.
I restarted adsl with the old adsl-start script and it worked ok.

Nice gui but not working

wobo
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[expert] Any mutt users?

2001-07-08 Thread Wolfgang Bornath

Hi,

I know, in times of kmail et al it is hard to find any old fashioned
geeks with text based MUAs ;-) (Met some at LinuxTag in Stuttgart/Germany
though).

My Q: I set up mutt on a standalone box. So I just compiled it with pop
option to gather my mail from my pop account by pressing 'G'.
Now that my box is running permanently with ADSL I wanted to change
Muttrc so that mutt gathers mail every 13 minutes.
Option in Muttrc should be 'set mail_check=15' but it doesn't work.
Can anyone point me into the right direction and push?

wobo
(This mail option is another means to keep up the connection, better than
an unproductive ping.)
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[expert] Alsa sound and /etc/modules.conf

2001-07-08 Thread Praedor Tempus

Could some kind soul who is using alsa sound post the appropriate section of 
their /etc/modules.conf file?  I am trying to get alsasound working on my 
system but am at a loss as to what to enter into the conf file...right now it 
is setup for oss (and doesn't work).  I realize your actual soundcard will 
likely differ from mine but I need a template to guide off of.

praedor




Re: [expert] Installer creates extended partition on hda2.

2001-07-08 Thread David C. Hoos, Sr.

Thank you, Felix.  I stand corrected -- I was going by my (obviously
faulty) memory, instead of referring to the primary sources.

The key point, though is that Windoze does not recognize the
logical partitions within a type 85 partition.

I do notice that fdisk version 2.10s does not show a type 1f using
the l command.

Finally, the admonition from Ecclesiastes is most appropriate,
and I'll add one of my own from the same book:

And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many
books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.

   Ecclesiastes 12:12 KJV

- Original Message - 
From: Felix Miata [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: David C. Hoos, Sr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: July 08, 2001 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [expert] Installer creates extended partition on hda2.


 David C. Hoos, Sr. wrote:
  
  An extended partition _is_ a primary partition.
  
  The partition numbers from 5 and up refer to partitions
  _within_ the extended partition.
 
 the being a keyword . . .
  
  There can be only four primary partitions -- all or none of
  which may be extended partitions.  Non-extended primary
  patrons can have no partitions within them, so if there are
  four non-extended primary partitions, then there can be no
  more than four partitions total.
  
  Unlike Micro$oft OSs, Linux can boot from an extended
 
 True, as can others besides Linux.
 
  partition, so all primary partitions could be extended partitions
  if you had no need for a Micro$oft OS.
 
 I don't think this is true. I'm pretty sure that any extended partitions
 beyond the first will be ignored, assuming you could find a standard
 partitioning tool to let you create more than one in the first place.
 FDISK for windoze, Partition Magic, and FDISK for OS/2 certainly won't.
 I think to get multiple extendeds you'd have to create those beyond #1
 with a sector editor or other non-standard partitioning tool, either of
 which would create a useless space allocation.
  
  All that said, there are two kinds of extended patrons
  recognized by Linux fdisk and friends -- DOS extended (type 5),
  and Linux extended (type 85).
 
 These are only two of three I know of.
  
  Micro$oft OSs do not recognize type 85 (nor do Partition
  Magic and Boot Magic), so that explains why Windoze cannot
  see your ext2 partitions.
 
 It shouldn't explain invisibility of a primary EXT2. His description
 seemed to indicate that he possibly did once have one.
 
  If you change the type 85 partition to type 5, both Micro$oft
  OSs and Linux will be able to see the ext2 partitions within
  the extended partition.
 
 This depends on windoze version and HD size. If the HD size is 8 Gb and
 the windoze version is FAT32 capable and at least one non-primary
 windoze partition is FAT32, then the extended type will probably need to
 be 0Fh instead of 05h in order for windoze to properly access
 non-primary partitions. When multiple logical partitions exist on a 8
 Gb HD, usually windoze SCANDISK will not run properly to completion, and
 windoze may assign a phantom drive a letter and misassign a letter to an
 existing partition. Enabling large drive support in windoze causes
 windoze FDISK to assign type 0Fh to the extended partition.
 -- 
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 grief.Ecclesiates 2:8 NIV
 
  Team OS/2
 
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[expert] usb mouse

2001-07-08 Thread mike

I have three systems on my desk; one running Windows 2000, one running 
Mandrake 7.2 and the third is upgraded to 8.0 from 7.2.  These systems share 
a single monitor,  Microsoft usb Natural Keyboard Pro, and Microsoft usb 
intellimouse explorer; using a 4-port IOGear MiniView usb KVM.  The Mandrake 
8.0 system is based on an MSI i815 motherboard.  Here is the problem, before 
upgrading to 8.0 this was all one big happy family.  Now when I use the kvm 
to switch to one of the other two boxes, and I am in X, the mouse freezes, 
however if I am in the console (even Ctl-Alt-F1) when I switch back to teh 
8.0 system I get 2 messages usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 3, frame# 1306 
(the frame number varies), I hit enter, and the mouse is back when I 
Ctl-Alt-F7 back to X.   

This is plainly a pain, and it worked properly in 7.2.  I built a new kernel, 
compiling in the usb mouse (this is what worked in Mandrake 7.2, which would 
not use the mouse at all as a module), but to no effect.  Does naybody have 
any ideas?

thanks,
mg




[expert] Lack of standards

2001-07-08 Thread mike

Ya see, this is why it ain't philosophy.

MDK 8.0 ships without AKTION!, XMMS-avi and MPlayer, the RPMs available on 
the web refuse to install for a dozen reason, the packages the require 
eventually get back to the .configure checking to make sure you are not 
running gcc 2.96.  The tarballs also won't compile using gcc 2.96.  Either 
MDK becomes a black box for the computer illiterate, or starts complying with 
some standards.  Either would work (not for me, I can run Windoze if I want 
to check my brain at the door), provide the packages, or an environment where 
thay can be built without an entire weekend devoted to downloading stuff and 
two more fixing the stuff it broke (and still being without the 
applications).  I chose Linux for control, I feel we are losing it.

mg




Re: [expert] Installer creates extended partition on hda2.

2001-07-08 Thread Ron Stodden

David C. Hoos, Sr. wrote:
 
 All that said, there are two kinds of extended patrons
 recognized by Linux fdisk and friends -- DOS extended (type 5),
 and Linux extended (type 85).
 
 Micro$oft OSs do not recognize type 85 (nor do Partition
 Magic and Boot Magic), so that explains why Windoze cannot
 see your ext2 partitions.

Not true!  Windows happily recognises type 85 - it has to because 85
supports large disks whereas 5 does not.

Windows does not recognise Ext2 partitions because of the file system
type code for that partition - it has nothing to do with whether the
partition is primary or logical.

 If you change the type 85 partition to type 5, both Micro$oft
 OSs and Linux will be able to see the ext2 partitions within
 the extended partition.

In general, nonsense for large disks.

-- 
Ron. [au]




Re: [expert] Any mutt users?

2001-07-08 Thread Christopher W. Aiken


On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:

:)Hi,
:)
:)I know, in times of kmail et al it is hard to find any old fashioned
:)geeks with text based MUAs ;-) (Met some at LinuxTag in Stuttgart/Germany
:)though).
:)
:)My Q: I set up mutt on a standalone box. So I just compiled it with pop
:)option to gather my mail from my pop account by pressing 'G'.
:)Now that my box is running permanently with ADSL I wanted to change
:)Muttrc so that mutt gathers mail every 13 minutes.
:)Option in Muttrc should be 'set mail_check=15' but it doesn't work.
:)Can anyone point me into the right direction and push?
:)
:)wobo
:)(This mail option is another means to keep up the connection, better than
:)an unproductive ping.)
:)

I use pine.  Very versatile.  Why not use fetchmail to get your mail?
fetchmail --daemon seconds  or  fetchmail -s seconds will start
up the process as a background daemon and check for your mail every
time period that you specify.  You can also run as nohup fetchmail -d secs

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Re: [expert] Installer creates extended partition on hda2.

2001-07-08 Thread Felix Miata

Ron Stodden wrote:
 
 Windows happily recognises type 85 - it has to because 85
 supports large disks whereas 5 does not.

News to me. Before today I never knew Linux used 85 as an extended
partition type. PTEDIT.EXE knows nothing of a type 85h. I changed one of
mine from 05h to 85h and all FAT16 and FAT32 partitions disappeared from
windoze. To windoze 9x, only 05h and 0Fh are valid extended partition
types.
 
 Windows does not recognise Ext2 partitions because of the file system
 type code for that partition - it has nothing to do with whether the
 partition is primary or logical.
 
Not exactly. You can have a perfectly valid windoze partition within a
type 85h extended, and the only reason windoze won't see it is because
of the wrong extended type.
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grief.Ecclesiates 2:8 NIV

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[expert] Internal time

2001-07-08 Thread Bruce E.Harris

I am running MDK 8.0 and every since this upgrade my computer will not keep 
time. It loses about 3 hrs per day. Not sure if the CMOS battery is running 
down or what. How can I get my system to automatically keep time with a clock 
standard on the Internet?

TIA

Bruce




Re: [expert] Any mutt users?

2001-07-08 Thread x

I also use mutt (not right now obviously) in concert with fetchmail and
procmail.  Works beautifully.

-Charlie
- Original Message -
From: Christopher W. Aiken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Wolfgang Bornath [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Experts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [expert] Any mutt users?



 On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:

 :)Hi,
 :)
 :)I know, in times of kmail et al it is hard to find any old fashioned
 :)geeks with text based MUAs ;-) (Met some at LinuxTag in
Stuttgart/Germany
 :)though).
 :)
 :)My Q: I set up mutt on a standalone box. So I just compiled it with pop
 :)option to gather my mail from my pop account by pressing 'G'.
 :)Now that my box is running permanently with ADSL I wanted to change
 :)Muttrc so that mutt gathers mail every 13 minutes.
 :)Option in Muttrc should be 'set mail_check=15' but it doesn't work.
 :)Can anyone point me into the right direction and push?
 :)
 :)wobo
 :)(This mail option is another means to keep up the connection, better
than
 :)an unproductive ping.)
 :)

 I use pine.  Very versatile.  Why not use fetchmail to get your mail?
 fetchmail --daemon seconds  or  fetchmail -s seconds will start
 up the process as a background daemon and check for your mail every
 time period that you specify.  You can also run as nohup fetchmail -d
secs

 --
 -=[cwa]=-
 Linux-Mandrake 8.0








Re: [expert] Alsa sound and /etc/modules.conf

2001-07-08 Thread Expert

# ALSA configuration
alias char-major-116 snd
options snd snd_major=116 snd_cards_limit=1
alias sound snd-card-0
alias snd-card-0 snd-card-sbawe
alias snd-synth-midi snd-seq-midi
options snd-card-sbawe snd_index=0 snd_port=0x220 snd_mpu_port=0x330   
snd_irq=5 snd_dma8=1 snd_dma16=5 snd_mic_agc=0
post-install snd-card-sbawe /bin/sfxload /etc/midi/GU11-ROM.SF2

# OSS/Free emulation
alias char-major-14 soundcore 
alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0
alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss
alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss 
alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss
alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss 
alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss



On Sunday 08 July 2001 04:47 pm, so spoke Praedor Tempus:
 Could some kind soul who is using alsa sound post the appropriate section
 of their /etc/modules.conf file?  I am trying to get alsasound working on
 my system but am at a loss as to what to enter into the conf file...right
 now it is setup for oss (and doesn't work).  I realize your actual
 soundcard will likely differ from mine but I need a template to guide off
 of.

 praedor




[expert] Mandrake Freq: Aurora Prevents Boot

2001-07-08 Thread John J. LeMay Jr.

I just completed an upgrade from 7.2 to the first release of Mandrake Freq
(LMF1? LM8+?) - since 8.0 would never burn right or install correctly here - and
I ran into a couple of problems that I thought I would post here. Granted, these
items should be (and may already have been) taken to the dev list, but alas I am
no developer nor am I up to the amount of mail I traditionally receive on the
cooker list. Anyhow, here they are:

* After completing the install, my machine hung at the Aurora screen trying to
start several services such as anacron and nmb. After trying several possible
solutions (disable anacron, boot in non-fb mode, etc.) I started up DrakConf
from the machine (displayed on another) and disabled Aurora. The next boot
everything went perfectly.

* This was true in 7.2 and 8.0 as well, but apparently I'm the only one that
has had a problem with it. The install interface prompts the user to enter a
hostname in the form host.domain.ext. However, if one does this and is using
dhcp the address reported to the dhcp server is host.domain.ext.domain.ext. To
fix, one must edit /etc/sysconfig/network and change the hostname and
dhcphostname params. The install dialog should be made more clear or this
process of parsing the fqd should be reworked. 

Of course, if I am missing something obvious please someone let me know.

thanks!

John LeMay Jr.
Senior Enterprise Consultant
NJMC, LLC.





Re: [expert] Sound problems haunt me

2001-07-08 Thread Praedor Tempus

Hello,

Unfortunately, I cannot even get arts to start, let alone deactivate it.  
Arts starting is what produces, I believe, the error message about /dev/dsp 
not being initialized.  I have tried building and installing the alsa source 
included with the 2.4.6 kernel but sound is still toast.  I haven't had to 
manually create a modules.conf for so long but it appears that this is what 
is going to be required to get it loading - the system keeps trying to 
install non-functional oss modules.  I have never run into the before.

On Sunday 08 July 2001 04:11 pm, you wrote:
 Try deactivating the aRts sound server in KDE Control Center - Sound
 - Sound Server.
 Salu2,
 óscar.

 El Dom 08 Jul 2001 19:16, escribiste:
  I have upgraded to KDE 2.2 beta on my Mandrake 8.0 system.  Of course, to
  do this required that I upgrade a number of other things to meet
  dependencies. Somewhere in all this I have lost sound.
 
  I have an AOpen AK72 mobo with an Athlon 700 and builtin AC97 via686a
  sound. It has worked fine in the past with Mandrake 7.1 - 8.0.  It was
  working recently as well when I was running KDE 2.2 alpha.  Now, since
  upgrading to KDE beta, it no longer works.  Incidently, I also have a
  laptop (IBM Thinkpad) running Mandrake 8.0 (plus KDE 2.2 beta).  It has a
  builtin Ess Solo1 soundsystem which has worked find in the past too -
  until upgrading to KDE beta.  Both these systems show the same error
  message on starting KDE:
 
  Error while initializing the sound driver:
  device: /dev/dsp can't be opened (Invalid argument)
 
  Huh?  Has something changed drastically recently from the way sound is
  handled in KDE 2.2 alpha and KDE 2.2 beta?  My kernel and its drivers
  appear not to matter at all - upgrading to KDE beta (and perhaps its
  attendent rpm dependencies - all billion of them) screws up sound.  Has
  anyone else run into this?  If so, have you fixed it?  There still is a
  /dev/dsp on my system, it hasn't changed.




[expert] Is PHP compiled with MySQL support?

2001-07-08 Thread Dave Sherman

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Hash: SHA1

Greetings all,

I have been playing with php and apache, got them up and running on my 
test box at home. But I've run into one problem: I can't seem to access a 
MySQL database from php. When I run phpinfo(), I see nothing listed in the 
Additional Modules section, and I also see in the Configure Command 
section '--without-mysql'.

So it appears that MySQL support is not compiled into the Mandrake 7.2 php 
package. Can anyone confirm or deny this, before I compile my own php 
module from source? I don't mind doing it, but if I don't need to, then 
why bother?

Dave
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foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews
and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
(1 Cor 1:23-24)
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[expert] Multiple problems with kde2.2-beta1 (and kernel-2.4.6-1mdk)

2001-07-08 Thread Praedor Tempus

Just to give warning, KDE2.2-alpha is more robust than the latest beta.  It 
would appear to be a good idea to stick with alpha and NOT upgrade to the 
current beta.

Problems:  1. Sound is broken.  Installing kde 2.2 beta and the concurrent 
arts and libarts breaks sound in kde.  It dorks something up with 
initializing /dev/dsp.  This is true for me upon installing kde2.2 beta on 
two different machines with different sound systems.
 2.  Several personal settings do not take.  I have found that every time I 
log in, I have to reactivate antialiasing of fonts in kcontrol and I must 
reset my mouse acceleration.  

As for kernel-2.4.6, it doesn't appear to support supermount.  I am not 
offered the option of activating supermount support in xconfig, menu, or 
menuconfig when compiling it.  Also, building and installing the alsa drivers 
fails to properly setup you modules.conf (I never had this problem before 
building and installing 2.4.6-1mdk).  This may or may not be related to the 
arts problem and /dev/dsp.

praedor
 




[expert] re: multiple problems with kde 2.2 beta 1

2001-07-08 Thread syed irfan

hi
i have installed kde 2.2 beta 1, its rock solid on my other mandrake 8.0, i have no 
problems at all, sound is really working well, and noatun and arts seem to work pertty 
well, except for the bloat for ths beta release for kdebase to squash all the buggies 
thats why kdebase almost 39 mb, i would recommend that we try kde 2.2 beta 1 and 
report all the problems throught http://bugs.kde.org or the bug reporter from each of 
the application would be of great help :-)

i have installed it about 2-3 times on different machines not a single problem other 
than the slow startup after login, hope that is fixed by the linker stuff :-) for the 
final release and kde base will be smaller than 39 mb for the final release

check your .kde/share/apps/kcontrol check your mouse and antialiasing settings there

i guess super mount doesnt work :-( even thought supermount is enabled in kde 2.2 beta 
1, worked well with kde 2.2 alpha2, i had tried copying some files to /mnt/floppy and 
found that it didnt copy to the floppy instead it copied to /mnt/floppy directory :-(, 
i am using the default kernel on makdeake 8.0 i installed my kde 2.2 beta 1 on top of 
kde 2.2alpha2 release

other than the slow startup and launching applications looks pertty good to me :-) ohh 
and the new kpersonalizer is kool :-)

my 2cents worth

syed irfan


snip
Just to give warning, KDE2.2-alpha is more robust than the latest beta.  It 
would appear to be a good idea to stick with alpha and NOT upgrade to the 
current beta.

Problems:  1. Sound is broken.  Installing kde 2.2 beta and the concurrent 
arts and libarts breaks sound in kde.  It dorks something up with 
initializing /dev/dsp.  This is true for me upon installing kde2.2 beta on 
two different machines with different sound systems.
 2.  Several personal settings do not take.  I have found that every time I 
log in, I have to reactivate antialiasing of fonts in kcontrol and I must 
reset my mouse acceleration.  

As for kernel-2.4.6, it doesn't appear to support supermount.  I am not 
offered the option of activating supermount support in xconfig, menu, or 
menuconfig when compiling it.  Also, building and installing the alsa drivers 
fails to properly setup you modules.conf (I never had this problem before 
building and installing 2.4.6-1mdk).  This may or may not be related to the 
arts problem and /dev/dsp.

praedor
 




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Re: [expert] Installer creates extended partition on hda2.

2001-07-08 Thread Ron Stodden

Felix Miata wrote:
 
 Ron Stodden wrote:
 
  Windows happily recognises type 85 - it has to because 85
  supports large disks whereas 5 does not.
 
 News to me. Before today I never knew Linux used 85 as an extended
 partition type. PTEDIT.EXE knows nothing of a type 85h. I changed one of
 mine from 05h to 85h and all FAT16 and FAT32 partitions disappeared from
 windoze. To windoze 9x, only 05h and 0Fh are valid extended partition
 types.

My apologies.  I was referring to the code for 'Extd (LBA)' which is
0F, not 85.

-- 
Ron. [au]




Re: [expert] Installing Mandrake 8 on low memory machine

2001-07-08 Thread Digital Wokan

Are you trying to do an FTP install?

 David Joham wrote:
 
 Has anyone had any luck installing Mandrake 8 on a machine with
 semi-low memory?
 
 I've got a Toshiba 435 CDS with 48M (the max) and Mandrake complains
 that that is not enough to create its install ramdisk. That seems a
 little odd to me since 48M for an install should be plenty. Also,
 RedHat 7.1 installs fine on the same machine. Finally, I just
 installed Mandrake 8 on another laptop with 48M and it worked fine.
 
 Is there any way to tell Mandrake in the install to simply go ahead
 and let me take my chances? What would be different between the two
 laptops with the same amount of memory?
 
 TIA
 
 David




[expert] making shell script excutable.........

2001-07-08 Thread faisal gillani

well i finally wrote my first shell script ... now i
want to make it
excutable ... i dont want to run it as ./filename
i tried to make it excutable with the following
command

chmod a+x ./filename

is it ok ?
if yes then why is it not working

thanks
Faisal




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[expert] LDAP

2001-07-08 Thread Cecil Watson

Hello Everyone,

I'm starting to work with LDAP (2.07Mdk RPM w/ 8.0).  When ever I try
and add the the contents on my ldif to the database, I get the following
error:

ldap_sasl_interactive_bind_s: No such attribute

Has anyone come across the problem?  If so, how did you resolve it? 
Thanks in advance,

Cecil




Re: [expert] making shell script excutable.........

2001-07-08 Thread DStevenson

On Monday 09 July 2001 00:45, faisal gillani wrote:
 well i finally wrote my first shell script ... now i
 want to make it
 excutable ... i dont want to run it as ./filename
 i tried to make it excutable with the following
 command

 chmod a+x ./filename
This would make it executable, is it readable by the group who will be 
executing it?


 is it ok ?
 if yes then why is it not working

I guess you mean it is working when you execute it from the directory where 
it resides. That you currently have to enter the dot slash. That is because 
the system variable $PATH does not have the parent directory in it, either 
explicitly declared or as a relative '.' (a dot = current working directory 
CWD) 

The system does not know where to look for the executable, it tries to find 
it in the paths, but to no avail. Typing ./program tells the system where it 
is relative to the CWD.

Dave.

 thanks
 Faisal




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Re: [expert] Installing Mandrake 8 on low memory machine

2001-07-08 Thread Digital Wokan

No.  I just used the floppy image cdrom.img.  Sorry for the double
response (yet again), but the reply-to still doesn't get set on the
Mandrake Expert list.  (Apparently not all experts are as lazy or
inattentive to their addressees as I am.)

David Joham wrote:
 
 Did you do anything special to have it ask you to format immediately?
 
 I have to use the boot disk and then choose F1 and then expert or text. It
 loads the kernel, finds the CDROM and then goes into second stage install
 At that point it dies. Going to tty4 (I think) to see the install log shows
 that it found 48 Meg (correct) and that it isn't enough for the ramdisk. It
 then shuts down with nothing else I can do.
 
 Thanks for your help...
 
 David
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Digital Wokan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 10:14 PM
 To: David Joham
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [expert] Installing Mandrake 8 on low memory machine
 
 Interesting.  I ran into the RAM problem only attempting to do an FTP
 install.  At work, I've set up a 32MB box to act as a newsletter
 server.  While it's running 7.2 now due to 8.0's lack of the Sympa
 package (nobody say anything about the Contribs package, I already tried
 that), I did install 8.0 on it originally from a CD-ROM without any
 problems.  The only thing it asked was that I let it format and begin
 using the swap partition immediately instead of after the install was
 done.
 
 David Joham wrote:
 
  No, the FTP install didn't want to work either. I'm trying a standard
 CDROM
  install
 
  David
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Digital Wokan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 9:49 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [expert] Installing Mandrake 8 on low memory machine
 
  Are you trying to do an FTP install?
 
   David Joham wrote:
  
   Has anyone had any luck installing Mandrake 8 on a machine with
   semi-low memory?
  
   I've got a Toshiba 435 CDS with 48M (the max) and Mandrake complains
   that that is not enough to create its install ramdisk. That seems a
   little odd to me since 48M for an install should be plenty. Also,
   RedHat 7.1 installs fine on the same machine. Finally, I just
   installed Mandrake 8 on another laptop with 48M and it worked fine.
  
   Is there any way to tell Mandrake in the install to simply go ahead
   and let me take my chances? What would be different between the two
   laptops with the same amount of memory?
  
   TIA
  
   David




[expert] Installer creates extended partition on hda2.

2001-07-08 Thread Maxim Heijndijk

I used to be able to mount my ext2 partitions from Windows.
The past half year I tried reiserfs, which gave me problems, so I'm 
back to ext2 again. However, I cannot mount my ext2 partitions from 
Windoze anymore.

This is the output of fdisk -l /dev/hda :

Disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 784 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes

   Device BootStart   EndBlocks   Id  System
/dev/hda1   * 1   196   1574338+   6  FAT16
/dev/hda2   197   784   4723110   85  Linux extended
/dev/hda5   197   392   1574338+  83  Linux
/dev/hda6   393   405104391   82  Linux swap
/dev/hda7   406   758   2835441   83  Linux
/dev/hda8   759   784208813+  83  Linux

It seems that the Mandrake-8.0 Installer (diskdrake) created an extended
partition  on hda2. Shouldnt that be hda5 ? I thought hda1-4 could only
be primary partitions. Is there a way to change this without losing my data ?

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