Re: [expert] Nothing works on KDE!
Don't tell IBM and Boscov's Department store and Amazon and the city of Largo Fla. they think it's pretty stable. Go figuah. mg On Friday 30 November 2001 23:50, ltiu wrote: > Your mileage varies. Everyone has a story to tell. It's open source and QA > is not very good. That's why it bahaves differently for different people > with different hardware, different usage needs and different usage > patterns. > > It's usually a mis-configuration. Tracking down what's mis-configured will > be a nightmare. > > On Friday 30 November 2001 19:42, you wrote: > > Hello > > > > I am having a funny behaviour with KDe and Gnome. If I click on any icon > > on desktop, I can see that the programme is running but nothing happens > > after that. If I want to create a terminal, again nothing happens. All > > windows simply disappear. > > > > On Gnome things are a bit different. I can't move any terminal window. > > They are stuck on the left corner and that is it. > > > > On windowmaker, everything works fine. > > > > What is going on? > > > > Thanks > > > > Eduardo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; name="message.footer" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Nothing works on KDE!
It has never crashed on me in 1 1/2 years. That should be stable enough!! > -- > From: mike[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 1:19 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ltiu > Subject: Re: [expert] Nothing works on KDE! > > <> > Don't tell IBM and Boscov's Department store and Amazon and the city of > Largo > Fla. they think it's pretty stable. Go figuah. > > mg > > > On Friday 30 November 2001 23:50, ltiu wrote: > > Your mileage varies. Everyone has a story to tell. It's open source and > QA > > is not very good. That's why it bahaves differently for different people > > with different hardware, different usage needs and different usage > > patterns. > > > > It's usually a mis-configuration. Tracking down what's mis-configured > will > > be a nightmare. > > > > On Friday 30 November 2001 19:42, you wrote: > > > Hello > > > > > > I am having a funny behaviour with KDe and Gnome. If I click on any > icon > > > on desktop, I can see that the programme is running but nothing > happens > > > after that. If I want to create a terminal, again nothing happens. > All > > > windows simply disappear. > > > > > > On Gnome things are a bit different. I can't move any terminal window. > > > They are stuck on the left corner and that is it. > > > > > > On windowmaker, everything works fine. > > > > > > What is going on? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Eduardo > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; name="message.footer" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Content-Description: > > > ** This email (including any attachments) is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient/s and may contain material that is CONFIDENTIAL AND PRIVATE COMPANY INFORMATION. Any review or reliance by others or copying or distribution or forwarding of any or all of the contents in this message is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by email and delete all copies; your cooperation in this regard is appreciated. ** Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Nothing works on KDE!
hey ITU, why not say that is your opinion. cause it ain't mine. and damn that was the least helpful reply I have seen. I am suprised you would waste your time typing that. It's open source and the QA is tons better than a company that keeps it's stuff secert, but the secret probly keeps "know it alls" form screwing up stuff and blaming it on "qa" in open source, everyone is QA. it behaves differently for different folks BECAUSE it CAN (same reaason male dogs lick their balls). any thing will be different on different hardware. if the user had rtfd before installing, and does not think they know it all, then it would probly be just as stable as it is here. one guess as to how stuff like this could happen is root copied some config file from one user to another and did not set the permissions orownership. (I know you don't have to do that stuff for your M$ products, but in truth, it is one of the best things about GNU linix is it's file security) On Friday 30 November 2001 23:50, you wrote: > Your mileage varies. Everyone has a story to tell. It's open source and QA > is not very good. That's why it bahaves differently for different people > with different hardware, different usage needs and different usage > patterns. > > It's usually a mis-configuration. Tracking down what's mis-configured will > be a nightmare. > > On Friday 30 November 2001 19:42, you wrote: > > Hello > > > > I am having a funny behaviour with KDe and Gnome. If I click on any icon > > on desktop, I can see that the programme is running but nothing happens > > after that. If I want to create a terminal, again nothing happens. All > > windows simply disappear. > > > > On Gnome things are a bit different. I can't move any terminal window. > > They are stuck on the left corner and that is it. > > > > On windowmaker, everything works fine. > > > > What is going on? > > > > Thanks > > > > Eduardo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Network problems
hi i have 2 computers connected to each other via a 5 port hub, i can ssh to the other machine and vise versa withouth any problems but if i try to transfer any file with about 1 or more mb tail -f /var/log/messages gives me Dec 1 23:34:24 Main sshd: succeeded Dec 1 23:34:45 Main sshd(pam_unix)[1348]: session opened for user imran by (uid=0) Dec 1 23:34:51 Main kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out Dec 1 23:35:23 Main last message repeated 4 times after that i have to kill the ssh session and have to restart the network only then i can ping the other pc is it a problem of the hub ? its a surecom etherperfect 505st if i connect the 2 computers using a cross over cable it never happens the first machine has a 10/100base T Linksys, the other one is sis 900 10/100Ethernet card network locks up on the machine with Linksys always suggessions/need help on how can i be sure if its the hub or the linksys card? another thing, if i start the network at boot time i mean lo and eth0 then login on the desktop and start pppd then when i start the browser it says url not found, i cant ping any outside websites or any thing.i think its routing through the eth0 instead of the modem, how to change this ? thankyou very much crazycrusoe _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Slow
James Sparenberg wrote: > Lee Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > At 05:53 PM 11/29/2001 +0800, Franki wrote: > > >Its not noticably slower then 7.2 on my box here, which is an old piece of crap > > >Pentium Pro200, 96MB ram... > > Lucky you. I found 8.1 significantly slower than 7.2. I'm using it on a > > Asus P5A-B mobo with an AMD K6/2-450 CPU and 458MB of SDRAM. > Same config here almost with only 396 megs ram... The part that is slower is the >boot. record boot is 9.5 minutes from Lilo to login. Then once I log in and get the >first program started another delay. It rocks. Only real problem so far is that >a number of rpms were bad (not corrupt but bad builds) most notably when it comes to >autofs and amd otherwise it's not running any slower than normal. You people with older motherboards and lotsa RAM needs to do a little investigating before complaining about how long anything takes to do. The amount of cache RAM can affect performance in a very big way. My VIA MVP3 motherboard has 1024K of cache, which is sufficient only for 256 Mb of RAM. Benchmarks running 512 Mb are roughly 40% worse than when running 256 Mb. -- "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."Edmund Burke Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** Rotary ONLY since 1973 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.members.atlantic.net/ <- Not just a FAQ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Nothing works on KDE!
On Sat, 1 Dec 2001 14:42, you wrote: > Hello > > I am having a funny behaviour with KDe and Gnome. If I click on any icon > on desktop, I can see that the programme is running but nothing happens > after that. If I want to create a terminal, again nothing happens. All > windows simply disappear. > > On Gnome things are a bit different. I can't move any terminal window. They > are stuck on the left corner and that is it. > > On windowmaker, everything works fine. > > What is going on? > > Thanks > > Eduardo First thing to try: in Gnome or command line mode (NOT from within KDE), delete or rename the .kde directory in your home directory, then re-start KDE, see if that makes a difference. If that doesn't work, give us some more details to work with. What version of Mandrake? What version of KDE? What version of Gnome? What version of X? What changes did you make just before you started having problems? Or are these problems happening from a clean install? What were the other programs that failed? What hardware do you have? We're happy to help out, but we're not mind-readers, you know :-) John. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Anyone else seeing these crashes...?
I'm running KDE continuously for weeks without logging out. This is using the Nvidia drivers for TNT and GeForce cards, w/Microsoft PS2 mice. Left click, right click, nada... No probs. -JMS |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Pierre Fortin |Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 5:22 PM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: [expert] Anyone else seeing these crashes...? | | |Well, I can now confirm that KDE/X crashes on more than one |system... just experienced yet another crash just as I do a |left mouse click. This has happened 5.-6 times on my main |desktop and once on a remote system that I use when away from home. | |Has anyone else seen these left-mouse-click KDE/X crashes...? | |Pierre | | | | Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] how do I?
Is there a way to make several hard drives look like one big drive? Something like spanning over several drives. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] how do I?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 01 Dec 2001 1:29 pm, you wrote: > Is there a way to make several hard drives look like one big drive? > Something like spanning over several drives. I belive that is what LVM is for - -- Tom "Tomahawk" Badran Department of Computing, Imperial College - --- PGP Key available from certserver.pgp.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8COAgXCpWOla2mCcRAkb8AKCRJHfyvw325flH77s4fkaYVwLvTQCfet83 6p59f9xKPxCFOIqatBrUQY0= =R5B0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Where to find a model to setup...
On Fri, 2001-11-30 at 17:49, Grouwels Daniel wrote: > µHi, > > I'd like to set up my own domain controller for windows XP. > > This can be done with Sambe. > > I just need to know how to set up a DNS server (with bind) and how to > configure my ports. > > Can someone tell me where i can find all the info needed. Read the DNS HOWTO. All the HOWTOs should have been installed on your system, but if not, check linuxdoc.org for the same documents. Dave -- You are dishonest, but never to the point of hurting a friend. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap!
Just for some added info, I have Mandrake 8.0 loaded on an FIC 503+, 256 megs ram, AMD k6-2 333MHz, and I also have Mandrake 8.0 loaded on an old, Pentium MMX 166MHz, 96 megs of ram, and the cheapest MoBo that NEC could find. The Pentium machine is at least TWICE as fast as the AMD box, no matter what OS it is running. That goes for Win98, W2K, NT4.0, Solaris 8, and Mandrake Linux. My little network test field has been a real eye opener to me. I will go with Intel chips from now on. James Sparenberg wrote: > On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:08:32 -0700 > Lee Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > At 05:53 PM 11/29/2001 +0800, Franki wrote: > > > > >Its not noticably slower then 7.2 on my box here, which is an old piece of > > >crap > > >Pentium Pro200, 96MB ram... > > > > Lucky you. I found 8.1 significantly slower than 7.2. I'm using it on a > > Asus P5A-B mobo with an AMD K6/2-450 CPU and 458MB of SDRAM. > > > > > > > > > Same config here almost with only 396 megs ram... The part that is slower is the >boot. record boot is 9.5 minutes from Lilo to login. Then once I log in and get the >first program started another delay. It rocks. Only real problem so far is that >a number of rpms were bad (not corrupt but bad builds) most notably when it comes to >autofs and amd otherwise it's not running any slower than normal. > > James > > Ps Mandrake/McMillian CDs > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Performance
Dennis Myhand wrote: > Just for some added info, I have Mandrake 8.0 loaded on an FIC 503+, 256 megs ram, >AMD k6-2 333MHz, and I also have Mandrake 8.0 loaded on an old, Pentium MMX 166MHz, >96 megs of ram, and the cheapest MoBo that NEC could find. The Pentium machine is at >least TWICE as fast as the AMD box, no matter what OS it is running. That goes for >Win98, W2K, NT4.0, Solaris 8, and Mandrake Linux. My little network > test field has been a real eye opener to me. I will go with Intel chips from now on. In the meantime, something is wrong with your 503+ setup. I put a 503+ with a K6/2 450 in a friend's box, and it is plenty fast. First, find a benchmark suite you can use on both machines so that test procedures don't throw off the apparent results. Run a test suite and record results. Then find out why the 503+ is slow, if in fact it is. It might be nothing more than insufficient cache for the installed RAM. Drop the RAM to 64 or 128 Mb and see if the results improve. Your perception of speed based upon your expectation of speed could be a problem as well. Your NEC motherboard is probably using an Intel chipset. The 503+ is VIA. Without the right driver installed, a VIA chipset will provide very disappointing I/O performance. This could easily be the difference you see. Something else to consider is the settings used for overclocking are the same used for normal clocking. If you take any given K6 chip rated high, like 500 or 550, and try all the different combinations of multiplier and bus rate, you might be surprised at the tremendous variation among different combinations. Some combinations that should be slower are faster than others that should be faster. As an example of this, I have an AOpen AX5T-3.1. This board has ostensible multipliers up to 5.5 and bus rate up to 83. When I bought it I installed a P55C 200 and used the standard 3.0 X 66. Later on I bumped it up to P55C 233 using 3.5 X 66 and experienced an expected benchmark improvement. In this configuration I used it several years. Then a few weeks ago I installed a K6/2 500 and tried every multiplier & bus rate configuration possible. The *only* combination that provided the expected relative performance improvement over the P55C 233 was at 500, which was achieved by a 2.0 X 83 setting. As it turns out, a K6/2 chip set to a 2.0 multiplier actually runs at a 6.0 multiplier, which is as I understand it a function of the chip rather than the motherboard. Using the in between settings to achieve such speeds as 333, 366, 400, 412, etc., speeds were as bad as worse than the P55C 233 to marginally better, to better but disappointingly so. There was a vast improvement of 500 over 450. Either the chip or the bus just isn't very efficient with a 75 bus rate on this motherboard. -- "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** Rotary ONLY since 1973 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.members.atlantic.net/ <- Not just a FAQ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap!
On Saturday 01 December 2001 08:24 am, you assembled: > Just for some added info, I have Mandrake 8.0 loaded on an FIC 503+, 256 > megs ram, AMD k6-2 333MHz, and I also have Mandrake 8.0 loaded on an old, > Pentium MMX 166MHz, 96 megs of ram, and the cheapest MoBo that NEC could > find. The Pentium machine is at least TWICE as fast as the AMD box, no > matter what OS it is running. That goes for Win98, W2K, NT4.0, Solaris 8, > and Mandrake Linux. My little network test field has been a real eye > opener to me. I will go with Intel chips from now on. > wait a minute people. we're talking about legacy chips here, way before AMD hit their stride. I think you will all find that modern amd CPUs and compatible chipsets are embarassing Intel, while AMD's marketing has much to be desired. Now, I'f you're testing older systems, then there's no doubt that Intel was on top. but there's little doubt that AMD is taking over (if they could just make some headway on laptops...) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] printing in 8.1 and kde
What printer are you trying to print to? Sounds like a winprinter (maybe a lexmark). If so, then the driver is the problem. Joe On Friday 30 November 2001 07:49 am, you wrote: > OK, I have decided devfs isn't for me. I have the nomount option upon boot > My question is how do I get printing to work in MDK 8.1 and KDE. Anything > I print comes out with a complete black page. I can print with my laptop > in Windows (gf likes win better) with no problem. So I assume the driver > wouldn't be the issue, but I am sure I am wrong here :) > Here is my Samba printers section though. > > [printers] > comment = All Printers > path = /tmp > read only = No > create mask = 0700 > guest ok = Yes > printable = Yes > print command = lpr-cups -P %p -o raw %s -r # using client side > printer drivers. lpq command = lpstat -o %p > lprm command = cancel %p-%j > browseable = No > > Cups is set up and sees the printer fine, and verified through the cups > web-gui. I have tried printing from many progs on this system with no > success. > > Any help appreciated. > > > Brian D. Klar - CVE > OTS > WPAFB Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] how do I?
On Saturday 01 December 2001 07:50 am, you wrote: > On Saturday 01 Dec 2001 1:29 pm, you wrote: > > Is there a way to make several hard drives look like one big drive? > > Something like spanning over several drives. > > I belive that is what LVM is for OK. i read sistina's page about LVM and I'm still not quite sure I understand. Is this just a version of software raid striping? why couldn't this guy do what he wants with raid? I'm not debating your answer, I'm intrigued. what's the difference? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Nothing works on KDE!
Hello > First thing to try: in Gnome or command line mode (NOT from within KDE), > delete or rename the .kde directory in your home directory, then re-start > KDE, see if that makes a difference. I have deleted the whole .kde directory but it didn't do any good. Kde stands beautifully on the screen but I can't do a thing. Everything that has to create a new window doesn't work. It runs for quite a while and disappears. On gnome the situation is different. It takes gnome a long time to load. The first impression is that everything is ok but soon a white screen comes out and the desktop changes (no toolbar on the bottom anymore). All windows are created on the top right of the screen and they can't not be moved as the top of them has been cut off somehow. If I switch from gnome to windowmaker "gnome windows" (applications) can be created and can be moved around. However no kde application can't seen (that is, it runs and then disappears). > > If that doesn't work, give us some more details to work with. What version > of Mandrake? What version of KDE? What version of Gnome? What version of > X? What changes did you make just before you started having problems? Or > are these problems happening from a clean install? What were the other > programs that failed? What hardware do you have? Info: OS: LM 8.0 standard, I am not sure about Kde and gnome versions but are the ones that come with LM 8.0. XFree 3.3.6 (due to vmware) Hardware: COMPAQ 5000T 5Bw, 566 celeron, intel 810e, 512 MB -> KDE and Gnome had worked fine since fresh installation on July 2001. -> The last thing I have installed was transcriber0.6 which requested some perl modules (TK bundle and TK-month). I've got the wrong one in the beginning (tk-4.00) but then I've downloaded the right one (tk8000). It is not that any programme fails but they are terminated somehow. All programmes worked before and some of them still work under windowmaker and blackbox. Is there a way to re-install KDE or Gnome? I don't want to do that but if I have no alternative ... Many thanks Ed > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] how do I?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > > I belive that is what LVM is for > > OK. i read sistina's page about LVM and I'm still not quite sure I > understand. Is this just a version of software raid striping? why > couldn't this guy do what he wants with raid? > > I'm not debating your answer, I'm intrigued. what's the difference? My understanding is that LVM and raid are very different. Your probably right that one can mimick the other in certain setups. LVM is for making multiple disks and partitions appear as one logical device to the OS. AFAIK raid is only for dealing with multiple disks when you want reduncy (for data protection) and stripping (for speed), and doesnt deal (unless you use software raid i think) with multiple partitions on the same disk. LVM does not provide redundancy/stipping but treats a series of disks as one logical disk, and i imagiane doesnt optimise to haveing some data on one disk, and some on another. I have however never used either so i could be completely wrong. I also believe that raid arrays have to made of identical disks, and LVM can use any disk (including non hard disk devices). Hope this provides some insight, but double check any info before you rely on it, as some could be (and probably is) slightly wrong. Tom - -- Tom "Tomahawk" Badran Department of Computing, Imperial College - --- PGP Key available from certserver.pgp.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8CPonXCpWOla2mCcRAqNEAJ9tHIXLcK04R4xyLQgtiZiqAIYQ+wCeIWdY wfS+hIlc1YdfphYk1ArTBdM= =OM4b -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] SAMBA help PLEASE!!!
- Original Message - From: "Robert Boggs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Onur Kucuk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [expert] SAMBA help PLEASE!!! > Well, I have so explaining to do. I have the linux box, with win xp, and 98. > I have a raid system for the windows products, and have the other drives on > a ultre ata 100 controller separate from the raid. What I'm wanting to do is > make it so my wife can see the extra drives and put stuff on them while I > use Linux. I really like the new 'Drake 81, and want to use it often. Myu > wife is blind, and needs to use JAWS for windows to access these drives, as > there is no GUI talker for linux yet. I hope someone is able to come up with > one at some point, then this mess would be solved. Untill then, I need to be > able to access her system, and she needs to be able to see my non raid hard > drives. Hope this helps. RB > - Original Message - > From: "Onur Kucuk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Robert Boggs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 8:02 AM > Subject: Re: [expert] SAMBA help PLEASE!!! > > > > > > RB> I got my wife's machine set on tcp/ip, and it isworking fine, however, > I can > > RB> see her machine and ALL shared drives, but she cannot see mine. I need > to > > RB> get gnomba set up for her to see my hard drives, especially the MP3 > drive. > > RB> This drive is in windows. I have my XP on a raid, so there is no way > she > > RB> will ever be able to see that, however the mp2's are on another EIDE > drive. > > RB> HELP!!! RB > > > > > > Umm instead of hardware info, a more "software info" would be better. > > Still I am not totally sure if your wife's pc is linux, which version > > of linux, which samba etc. > > > > Just a few tips, as XP is new, its smb system has some changes and > > your need to update your linux system to see those changes. Just > > upgrade to the new samba from the cooker. It should work fine. > > > > Also, I personally prefer komba2 for searching the network shares. > > You may like it too. Komba 2 is in the MDK 8.1 cds, if you have them. > > > > PS: You probably know it but a quick note, smb is the windows' > > network sharing system, samba is the one that supports it under > > linux. > > > > Good luck > > Onur Kucuk > > > > > > > > _ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap!
Don't do that, you will only hurt yourself.. We used to sell motherboards at the manufacturer where I worked, we had one for Cyrix 686 200+ CPU's and on that mainboard, the performance was equiv to a P120,(I think the chipset was based on an Apollo pro) but on a VX chipset the Cyrix686 killed the P200 hands down.. no contest at all. I have had many intel chips, and many cyrix, nextGen and AMD chips, the tide is definetaly turned in favour of AMD chips, its very likely your mainboard that is making the AMD slower. I have an AthlonXP1800 and it rocks, try 2700 Bogomips, (might have been more, can't remember) but anyway, its lightning fast.. Incidently, that elcheapo mainboard for the Cyrix chips sold like hotcakes (to computer manufacturers), not because it was good, but because it was cheap. Its not the brand of mainboard that matters, its the chipset, timings ect.. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dennis Myhand Sent: Saturday, 1 December 2001 10:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap! Just for some added info, I have Mandrake 8.0 loaded on an FIC 503+, 256 megs ram, AMD k6-2 333MHz, and I also have Mandrake 8.0 loaded on an old, Pentium MMX 166MHz, 96 megs of ram, and the cheapest MoBo that NEC could find. The Pentium machine is at least TWICE as fast as the AMD box, no matter what OS it is running. That goes for Win98, W2K, NT4.0, Solaris 8, and Mandrake Linux. My little network test field has been a real eye opener to me. I will go with Intel chips from now on. James Sparenberg wrote: > On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:08:32 -0700 > Lee Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > At 05:53 PM 11/29/2001 +0800, Franki wrote: > > > > >Its not noticably slower then 7.2 on my box here, which is an old piece of > > >crap > > >Pentium Pro200, 96MB ram... > > > > Lucky you. I found 8.1 significantly slower than 7.2. I'm using it on a > > Asus P5A-B mobo with an AMD K6/2-450 CPU and 458MB of SDRAM. > > > > > > > > > Same config here almost with only 396 megs ram... The part that is slower is the boot. record boot is 9.5 minutes from Lilo to login. Then once I log in and get the first program started another delay. It rocks. Only real problem so far is that a number of rpms were bad (not corrupt but bad builds) most notably when it comes to autofs and amd otherwise it's not running any slower than normal. > > James > > Ps Mandrake/McMillian CDs > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap!
speaking from experiance here... Thats not true, no-one doubted that the x86 Cyrix 200+ (which was a 166 chip) cained the intel P200 in everything bar floating point.. And K6-2 was likewise definately faster then P233mmx of the same clock speed. k6-2 was also compariable in speed in some areas to Pentium II's at lower clock speeds, (k2-2's never went beyond 550 I think) the K6-3 was actually pretty good, thanks only to a big onchip cache. it beat the PII's hands down in most cases. Intel got my vote back then only for the hugely overclockable Celery's (like a 300A celery at 504MHZ) I know all of this because at that time we build configured and shipped several thousands of systems of the above configs.. and we tested and benchmarked most of them, (I had a personal interest in this stuff back then.) these systems had all of the main chipsets from Intel (HX, VX, TX ,LX and BX) Via MPV3 and 4 and apollo pro and a coupla others) and some sis stuff. I also did tests to see the difference between the same systems running NT4 and 98... (eg... Ppro200 on win95 was the same or slightly slower then p200mmx even though it was a far superior design,,, why? because intel chose that point to remove all 16 bit optimisations from the Ppro,, so it sucked on 95, which was still half 16bit code. then intel released Slot1, and told us how they would never go back to a socket design as it just wasn't big enough to have space for cache and pins underneath,,, looked at a chip lately? Its just that nowdays, AMD gets alot more press, so people know their chips can be faster... I hope it gets better.. Intel has to constantly drop thier prices and increase their performance now that amd are on the ball,, do you remember how slow the chips speed went up back in the P100-120-150-166-200 days? performance only increased slowly, chips are expensive and not much happened.. Amd is really making this happen. they have my vote, both for shaking up the industry, and for making excellent chips.. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jason Guidry Sent: Saturday, 1 December 2001 11:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap! On Saturday 01 December 2001 08:24 am, you assembled: > Just for some added info, I have Mandrake 8.0 loaded on an FIC 503+, 256 > megs ram, AMD k6-2 333MHz, and I also have Mandrake 8.0 loaded on an old, > Pentium MMX 166MHz, 96 megs of ram, and the cheapest MoBo that NEC could > find. The Pentium machine is at least TWICE as fast as the AMD box, no > matter what OS it is running. That goes for Win98, W2K, NT4.0, Solaris 8, > and Mandrake Linux. My little network test field has been a real eye > opener to me. I will go with Intel chips from now on. > wait a minute people. we're talking about legacy chips here, way before AMD hit their stride. I think you will all find that modern amd CPUs and compatible chipsets are embarassing Intel, while AMD's marketing has much to be desired. Now, I'f you're testing older systems, then there's no doubt that Intel was on top. but there's little doubt that AMD is taking over (if they could just make some headway on laptops...) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Proper Naming Conventions on Mandrake RPMS?
Hi everyone, I was wondering about the naming conventions of RPM's on MDK. I am working up a spec file to build Mosfet Liquid into an MDK rpm, but should the release be a plain "1" or "1mdk"? I notice most Mandrake apps have the mdk appended to the version, but should a third party packager use that too? Thanks, Tim -- Timothy R. Butler | Universal Networks | http://www.uninet.info [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 12495932 AIM: Uninettm Christian Portal and Search Tool: http://www.faithtree.com Open Source Migration Guide: http://www.ofb.biz = "Christian Web Services Since 1996" == Registered Linux User #82130 Reg. Linux Machines #34002 & 102889 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert]3ware and Samba performance stinks under 8.1 (relative to other things)
*Warning - The following may sound inflammatory, but it is meant as constructive criticism.* Main Linux box info: CPU: 800 MHz Athlon (old) SlotA M/B: ASUS K7A BIOS 1007 RAM: 256 MB PC133 ECC (swap turned off) Samba (2.2.1a and below): One thing that I noticed a little while back is that transferring large files from my Samba server to my Windows box tops out at ~6 MB/s over my 100BaseTX switched LAN. I noticed that NFS running between two of my computers in Linux mode (same two computers) could do ~9 MB/s so I first thought that maybe it was a Windows thing On further inspection I noticed that this (6 MB/s cap under Samba) still held true when both machines where in Linux mode. More recently my roommate installed Windows XP on his system and I noticed that it (the XP machine) could push ~9 MB/s to my main Linux box while my main Linux box (mdk 8.1) could only push ~6 MB/s. This leads me to believe that Samba (2.2.1a and below) has inferior performance to Windows XP when it comes to handling large files. 3ware card (Escalade 6800): When I had a Promise controller and one 45 GB IBM drive I could consistently get 35.75 MB/s out of the drive when I ran hdparm under mdk 7.2. Not only that, I could run several disk intensive tasks simultaneously and still burn CDs at 8x and listen to mp3s without a hitch. I mean the system ran very smoothly no matter what I did with it. When I hooked up another Promise controller and 3 more identical hard drives, I couldn't get things to work under the stock kernel, so I tried out what was then the band spanking new 2.4 kernel. First couple of attempts didn't go well do to problems with the kernel that have since then resolved Once I got one of the early 2.4 kernels to work I set up a 3 disk software RAID 5. When I ran hdparm on it I was able to get ~50 MB/s. Also I noticed that performance while hammering the array could get a little jerky, it was still fairly acceptable. When I put in the 3ware card and stuck 4 of those 45 GB IBM drives on it, performance was very poor compared to running software RAID on Promise controllers, even when swap is turned off and filing systems explicitly optimized for the array. The worst was with mdk 8.0 and the default BIOS revision with large writes. The whole system would just pause while dumping stuff to the array for minutes at a time making CD burning and mp3 playing impossible. mdk 8.1 and a newer BIOS revision fix that to a great extent, but the performance still sucks. For example running hdparm yields results from 27 MB/s to 39 MB/s while with software RAID 5 on Promise controllers on the same machine yielded ~50 MB/s. (3ware brags about how their architecture is so superior to using the PCI bus for everything.) The benchmarks that I have seen online suggest that under a similar setup running NT I should be able to realize something more like 90 MB/s on that 3ware card. Plus whenever I have a stream significantly over 6 MB/s either from or two the disks (like copying files from one computer to another) the performance of my Linux box becomes really jerky and mp3s start breaking up and and if I'm burning a CD at 8x the buffers will empty out regularly. (Even when I was pounding 3 disks simultaneously under the Promise controllers the buffers stayed mostly full.) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Slow
> You people with older motherboards and lotsa RAM needs to do a little > investigating before complaining about how long anything takes to do. > The amount of cache RAM can affect performance in a very big way. My VIA Not only that, but complaining about how long it takes to boot (how often do you boot anyway? The last time I rebooted was about 6 months ago, and my box rebooted itself because of a power glitch, and I decided to upgrade to 8.1 then too). And complaining about how long programs take to start up isn't really a good measure of performance. > MVP3 motherboard has 1024K of cache, which is sufficient only for 256 Mb > of RAM. Benchmarks running 512 Mb are roughly 40% worse than when That can be an issue. Newer systems (athlon) have the cache on the chip anyway - mine's an Athlon with 128k or so of on-chip cache and I don't know if there is any level-2 cache although I suspect there is. It's an ASUS A7V 133 board, with 256 megs of RAM. >From what I've read, linux does slow down if there isn't sufficient cache, because parts of the memory are left uncached - and I'm not sure why this is - I figure the kernel should be loaded towards the bottom of memory (in a cached region, naturally) and not somewhere where the RAM isn't cached. Thus, the system need only suffer slowdowns when your resident set of processes are larger than the amount of RAM that can be cached. However, it doesn't appear this is the case -- unless more recent kernels have made this a moot point. Secondly, I think the issue is related to not having enough cache tag bits rather than the amount of cache. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert]3ware and Samba performance stinks under 8.1 (relative to other things)
|-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On |Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 2:52 PM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: [expert]3ware and Samba performance stinks under 8.1 |(relative to other things) | | More recently my |roommate installed Windows XP on his system and I noticed that |it (the XP machine) could push ~9 MB/s to my main Linux box |while my main Linux box (mdk 8.1) could only push ~6 MB/s. |This leads me to believe that Samba (2.2.1a and below) has |inferior performance to Windows XP when it comes to handling |large files. | --- Quite the opposite is true. Recent benchmarks on that very same version of Samba by Ziff-Davis people (Cnet and the like) report that Samba EXCEEDS Win2K and WinXP in xfer speeds. You have something wrong with your setup. --- I'm not going to get into the so called "raid" setup you are using... Which is another problem altogether... -JMS Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ext2 formatted floppies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 30 Nov 2001 10:07 pm, you wrote: > Randy Donohoe wrote: > > My fstab floppy entry is set to auto, shouldn't that take care of it? > > Thanks, > > Randy Donohoe > > Even if you set it to auto,vfat or ext2 it will not mount using the > floppy icon on the kde desktop. > > The Only way I have found is to mount as root: mount /dev/fd0 > /mnt/floppy Does a simple mount /mnt/floppy work? If not, what is your full fstab entry for floppy? Also, check the properties of the floppy icon and make sure it is pointing to the right device/mount point. - -- Tom "Tomahawk" Badran Department of Computing, Imperial College - --- PGP Key available from certserver.pgp.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8CUqLXCpWOla2mCcRAsr9AJ4gRzncCYakbU+lug2P3Y/RuIHwGQCcCCgQ YONZ2YtNH1ktL3XLz+gxFLA= =IUEg -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap!
On Saturday 01 December 2001 11:52 am, Franki wrote: > I have an AthlonXP1800 and it rocks, try 2700 Bogomips, (might have > been more, can't remember) but anyway, its lightning fast.. 1.4 Tbird runnin at 1.55 (11.5x135) using old left over pc100 sdram on an inexpensive Soyo k7vta pro, $ cat /proc/cpuinfo cpu MHz : 1552.506 bogomips: 3099.85 Which is about normal. A Tbird 1.33 should get ~2700 > Its not the brand of mainboard that matters, its the chipset, > timings ect.. I don't believe so. Yes timings and chipsets are important, but even more so is the engineering quality, design, and construction of the mobo. You'll never get a PCChips board, for instance, that equals a Soyo. Brand matters _VERY_ much, for performance, stability, and reliability http://www.linuxhardware.org/features/01/11/30/1626230.shtml Back to the subject, this thread'll be back in a few months, but it'll read "8.2 Piece of Crap!, I'm going back to 8.1". Much the same way we endured "7.2 Piece of Crap!, I'm going back to 7.1" a while back. I'm stayin with/going back to posts have always plagued the mailing lists and news groups since I started usin Mandrake 6.0. Same with RedHat and Slack before that. Some things just don't change -- Tom Brinkman Galveston Bay, USA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] how do I?
Bill Beauchemin wrote: > > Is there a way to make several hard drives look like one big drive? Something > like spanning over several drives. Try LVM. The how-to is the place to start. LVM-HOWTO.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] how do I?
LVM is exactly what I want! Thanks! One thing though whay hasnt someone written a graphical version like what MDK has for partioning. No big deal I do enjoy hackin on the keyboard more than most. I miss DOS for that when admins were admins not mouse clickers. > > On Saturday 01 Dec 2001 1:29 pm, you wrote: > > Is there a way to make several hard drives look like one big drive? > > Something like spanning over several drives. > > I belive that is what LVM is for > - -- > Tom "Tomahawk" Badran > Department of Computing, Imperial College Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] NTP -- driving me crazy!
I had this working many moons ago, but with new upgrades/installs, it's all been lost and I can't remember what I did (but I know it's not that hard -- that's why it's driving me crazy). So here's what I've got going on: - ntp installed on all of my machines - ntp configured on fileserver to sync to external time server (doesn't stay synced, however). - ntp configured on remaining nodes to sync with fileserver who is supposed to allow that But what's happening is that the ntp on the fileserver will start up, sync with the external time server, but down the line, the time begins to drift and according to my syslog, there were never any more attempts to keep time synced (ntp-4.1.0-1mdk installed on every one of them). And on the local clients, in my /etc/ntp.conf, I've got 10.1.1.3 (the IP for the fileserver) set for the server. That never worked so I stuck it in my /etc/ntp/step-tickers and still, no love. Here's what I get: ntpdate[13387]: no server suitable for synchronization found I portscanned the fileserver and 123 isn't even open (shouldn't it be listening on that port?). When I do a 'ps auxw |grep ntp' on the fileserver, all I've got is 'ntp -A'. Should there be anything else in order to allow other nodes to sync? So what am I missing here? I'm all out of ideas. Thanks in advance, -Charlie -- GPG Key fingerprint = 4F36 EC4F 2F2C 5F59 9690 09E5 4C0F 9DB0 8623 53CE Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] NTP -- driving me crazy!
I don't know about the NTP client/server you are using but I use a piece of freeware called Chrony. It's easier to set up than xntpd, although it doesn't have certain options like broadcasting time to a subnet etc. I have found it very reliable. Chris Slater-Walker - Original Message - From: "Charlie Bebber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 10:06 PM Subject: [expert] NTP -- driving me crazy! > > I had this working many moons ago, but with new upgrades/installs, it's all > been lost and I can't remember what I did (but I know it's not that hard -- > that's why it's driving me crazy). > > So here's what I've got going on: > > - ntp installed on all of my machines > - ntp configured on fileserver to sync to external time server (doesn't stay > synced, however). > - ntp configured on remaining nodes to sync with fileserver who is supposed > to allow that > > But what's happening is that the ntp on the fileserver will start up, sync > with the external time server, but down the line, the time begins to drift > and according to my syslog, there were never any more attempts to keep time > synced (ntp-4.1.0-1mdk installed on every one of them). > > And on the local clients, in my /etc/ntp.conf, I've got 10.1.1.3 (the IP for > the fileserver) set for the server. That never worked so I stuck it in my > /etc/ntp/step-tickers and still, no love. Here's what I get: > > ntpdate[13387]: no server suitable for synchronization found > > I portscanned the fileserver and 123 isn't even open (shouldn't it be > listening on that port?). When I do a 'ps auxw |grep ntp' on the > fileserver, all I've got is 'ntp -A'. Should there be anything else in > order to allow other nodes to sync? > > So what am I missing here? I'm all out of ideas. > > Thanks in advance, > > -Charlie > -- > GPG Key fingerprint = 4F36 EC4F 2F2C 5F59 9690 09E5 4C0F 9DB0 8623 53CE > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] NTP -- driving me crazy!
Chris & Gisela Slater-Walker said: > I don't know about the NTP client/server you are using but I use a > piece of freeware called Chrony. It's easier to set up than xntpd, > although it doesn't have certain options like broadcasting time to a > subnet etc. I have found it very reliable. Hi Chris, thanks for the reply. After a little more looking, I found an interesting page (http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~ntp/ntpfaq/NTP-s-config.htm) that says that, yes, ntp (or more specifically ntpdate) only goes out and syncs the time once and never again and points out that, well, you could put that in a cron job, but then you really don't have yourself a self-sustaining time server, do you? xntpd kept itself up to date (that's what I was running back in the day) and then xntpd stopped being shipped in most distros (why was that, anyway?) and replaced with ntp. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me since xntpd would do ntp's job, then some. Cheers, -Charlie > > Chris Slater-Walker > > - Original Message - > From: "Charlie Bebber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 10:06 PM > Subject: [expert] NTP -- driving me crazy! > > >> >> I had this working many moons ago, but with new upgrades/installs, >> it's > all >> been lost and I can't remember what I did (but I know it's not that > hard -- >> that's why it's driving me crazy). >> >> So here's what I've got going on: >> >> - ntp installed on all of my machines >> - ntp configured on fileserver to sync to external time server >> (doesn't > stay >> synced, however). >> - ntp configured on remaining nodes to sync with fileserver who is > supposed >> to allow that >> >> But what's happening is that the ntp on the fileserver will start up, >> sync with the external time server, but down the line, the time begins >> to drift and according to my syslog, there were never any more >> attempts to keep > time >> synced (ntp-4.1.0-1mdk installed on every one of them). >> >> And on the local clients, in my /etc/ntp.conf, I've got 10.1.1.3 (the >> IP > for >> the fileserver) set for the server. That never worked so I stuck it >> in my /etc/ntp/step-tickers and still, no love. Here's what I get: >> >> ntpdate[13387]: no server suitable for synchronization found >> >> I portscanned the fileserver and 123 isn't even open (shouldn't it be >> listening on that port?). When I do a 'ps auxw |grep ntp' on the >> fileserver, all I've got is 'ntp -A'. Should there be anything else >> in order to allow other nodes to sync? >> >> So what am I missing here? I'm all out of ideas. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> -Charlie >> -- >> GPG Key fingerprint = 4F36 EC4F 2F2C 5F59 9690 09E5 4C0F 9DB0 8623 >> 53CE >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >> Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- GPG Key fingerprint = 4F36 EC4F 2F2C 5F59 9690 09E5 4C0F 9DB0 8623 53CE Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] NTP -- driving me crazy!
Are you sure the "ntp" package has the NTP *server*, not just the client? -- Asheesh. On Sat, 1 Dec 2001, Charlie Bebber wrote: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format... > > =_1007244412-31033-738 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > > I had this working many moons ago, but with new upgrades/installs, it's all > been lost and I can't remember what I did (but I know it's not that hard -- > that's why it's driving me crazy). > > So here's what I've got going on: > > - ntp installed on all of my machines > - ntp configured on fileserver to sync to external time server (doesn't stay > synced, however). > - ntp configured on remaining nodes to sync with fileserver who is supposed > to allow that > > But what's happening is that the ntp on the fileserver will start up, sync > with the external time server, but down the line, the time begins to drift > and according to my syslog, there were never any more attempts to keep time > synced (ntp-4.1.0-1mdk installed on every one of them). > > And on the local clients, in my /etc/ntp.conf, I've got 10.1.1.3 (the IP for > the fileserver) set for the server. That never worked so I stuck it in my > /etc/ntp/step-tickers and still, no love. Here's what I get: > > ntpdate[13387]: no server suitable for synchronization found > > I portscanned the fileserver and 123 isn't even open (shouldn't it be > listening on that port?). When I do a 'ps auxw |grep ntp' on the > fileserver, all I've got is 'ntp -A'. Should there be anything else in > order to allow other nodes to sync? > > So what am I missing here? I'm all out of ideas. > > Thanks in advance, > > -Charlie > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Linux on a IBM pc server 500?
On Sat, 1 Dec 2001 08:02, you wrote: > A bud of mine picked up an old > IBM PC server 500, and unless > it is not a bios problem, the stupid > thing keeps asking for a "Reference disc" > I don't know what it wants exactly, > I tried formatting a Linux boot disc for it, > but its too stupid to read it I think, > or else because the floppy drive is > 2.88 it cannot read a 1.44 disc. Now there's a blast from the past!! The bane of my prior existence as a reseller/integrator - the reference disk! You want to upgrade RAM - insert the reference disk. Change the ISA/EISA card - insert the reference disk. Reset the password (user-error) ... insert the %** reference disk!!!. go to the following URL (and next time, use IBM's search facility to do the same) http://www-1.ibm.com/servlet/support/manager?rs=0&rt=0&org=psg&doc=GCOR-3EMLNR I'd also recommend that you have a read of the tech specs at this URL: http://www-1.ibm.com/servlet/support/manager?rs=0&rt=0&org=psg&doc=DDSE-42XMW4 as it gives some info about RAM, etc... -- john in syd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Linux on a IBM pc server 500?
Many thanks for the info. I found the file, copied it onto a 1.44 Mb disc, its all I had formatted, does it require 2.88 drive or is it backward compatible? I searched the IBM site, but I could not find anything that tells you how to make the file work. I copied the .exe file onto the disc but it would not read the disc, hmmm sorry to be dumb, I just missed something. Thanks On Friday 30 November 2001 05:16 pm, you wrote: > On Sat, 1 Dec 2001 08:02, you wrote: > > A bud of mine picked up an old > > IBM PC server 500, and unless > > it is not a bios problem, the stupid > > thing keeps asking for a "Reference disc" > > I don't know what it wants exactly, > > I tried formatting a Linux boot disc for it, > > but its too stupid to read it I think, > > or else because the floppy drive is > > 2.88 it cannot read a 1.44 disc. > > Now there's a blast from the past!! The bane of my prior existence as a > reseller/integrator - the reference disk! You want to upgrade RAM - insert > the reference disk. Change the ISA/EISA card - insert the reference disk. > Reset the password (user-error) ... insert the %** reference disk!!!. > > go to the following URL (and next time, use IBM's search facility to do the > same) > > http://www-1.ibm.com/servlet/support/manager?rs=0&rt=0&org=psg&doc=GCOR-3EM >LNR > > I'd also recommend that you have a read of the tech specs at this URL: > > http://www-1.ibm.com/servlet/support/manager?rs=0&rt=0&org=psg&doc=DDSE-42X >MW4 > > as it gives some info about RAM, etc... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] gcc downgrade has killed apache?? How?
I had to downgrade my gcc compiler to 296 Apache has ceased to function. I don't understand the relation. What can I do to fix it? Please advise. Thanks Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] NTP -- driving me crazy!
Asheesh Laroia said: > Are you sure the "ntp" package has the NTP *server*, not just the > client? Since when have there been two different packages? Thanks, -Charlie -- GPG Key fingerprint = 4F36 EC4F 2F2C 5F59 9690 09E5 4C0F 9DB0 8623 53CE Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] NTP -- driving me crazy!
I was thinking along the lines of telnet and telnet-server. If the ntp package (you can check in /usr/share/doc/ntp-whatever/) has the server stuff, oops. -- Asheesh. On Sat, 1 Dec 2001, Charlie Bebber wrote: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format... > > =_1007249750-31033-754 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > > Asheesh Laroia said: > > Are you sure the "ntp" package has the NTP *server*, not just the > > client? > > Since when have there been two different packages? > > Thanks, > > -Charlie > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] NTP -- driving me crazy!
Try ntpq -p and see what it says. Should have something like this: remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter == *yourserver.yourdomain.com ntp-0.cso.uiuc. 3 u 417 1024 3770.555 4.640 1.773 word wrap is messing up this display but you can get the idea. most important thing in all that is the reach info. desired number there is 377, but anything above 0 means it's connecting a little to your outside time source. the other important thing is that the timeserver you have chosen to connect to allows connections to it. Some don't any more due to the great number of people connecting to them. try ntp-0.cso.uiuc.edu, it's one I'm using at the moment. If you still can't get it going, feel free to E-Mail me your ntp.conf file and I'll give it a look. ntp can be a battle to get going at first, but I did finally get it right and it's doing a great job now. On Sat, 1 Dec 2001 14:06:03 -0800 (PST) "Charlie Bebber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Charlie> Charlie> I had this working many moons ago, but with new upgrades/installs, it's all Charlie> been lost and I can't remember what I did (but I know it's not that hard -- Charlie> that's why it's driving me crazy). Charlie> Charlie> So here's what I've got going on: Charlie> Charlie> - ntp installed on all of my machines Charlie> - ntp configured on fileserver to sync to external time server (doesn't stay Charlie> synced, however). Charlie> - ntp configured on remaining nodes to sync with fileserver who is supposed Charlie> to allow that Charlie> Charlie> But what's happening is that the ntp on the fileserver will start up, sync Charlie> with the external time server, but down the line, the time begins to drift Charlie> and according to my syslog, there were never any more attempts to keep time Charlie> synced (ntp-4.1.0-1mdk installed on every one of them). Charlie> Charlie> And on the local clients, in my /etc/ntp.conf, I've got 10.1.1.3 (the IP for Charlie> the fileserver) set for the server. That never worked so I stuck it in my Charlie> /etc/ntp/step-tickers and still, no love. Here's what I get: Charlie> Charlie> ntpdate[13387]: no server suitable for synchronization found Charlie> Charlie> I portscanned the fileserver and 123 isn't even open (shouldn't it be Charlie> listening on that port?). When I do a 'ps auxw |grep ntp' on the Charlie> fileserver, all I've got is 'ntp -A'. Should there be anything else in Charlie> order to allow other nodes to sync? Charlie> Charlie> So what am I missing here? I'm all out of ideas. Charlie> Charlie> Thanks in advance, Charlie> Charlie> -Charlie Charlie> -- Charlie> GPG Key fingerprint = 4F36 EC4F 2F2C 5F59 9690 09E5 4C0F 9DB0 8623 53CE Charlie> Charlie> Charlie> -- Brian - [EMAIL PROTECTED] My Home Page: http://www.brimac.com/~brianmac Fine Photos: http://www.brimacphotography.com Art for Sale: http://www.artbrowser.com Classified Advertising: http://www.sellit2000.com The only 15 letter word that can be spelled without repeating a letter is uncopyrightable. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap!
>1.4 Tbird runnin at 1.55 (11.5x135) using old left over pc100 > sdram on an inexpensive Soyo k7vta pro, $ cat /proc/cpuinfo Hmm. Any extra special cooling beyond the stock heatsink/fan? > same way we endured "7.2 Piece of Crap!, I'm going back to 7.1" a > while back. I'm stayin with/going back Just keep the system up and running for six months and get around to upgrading when the power goes out :). > Tom Brinkman Galveston Bay, USA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert]3ware and Samba performance stinks under 8.1 (relative to other things)
Yes, I would concur with that, I have samba setup here, and the performance has been great, I did some tests with a 16mb zip file I made for the tests... copied it to and from the linux box (8.1, 2.4.13-9kernel) and it was very responsive, and that was on my crappy Ppro200 system, which is also running postfix and httpd and others for my home network.. the 16mb file copied in the same or less time then I had copying it to and from windows box's on the network, (my girlfriends computer) So I can see nothing wrong with its performance. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jose M. Sanchez Sent: Sunday, 2 December 2001 5:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [expert]3ware and Samba performance stinks under 8.1 (relative to other things) |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On |Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 2:52 PM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: [expert]3ware and Samba performance stinks under 8.1 |(relative to other things) | | More recently my |roommate installed Windows XP on his system and I noticed that |it (the XP machine) could push ~9 MB/s to my main Linux box |while my main Linux box (mdk 8.1) could only push ~6 MB/s. |This leads me to believe that Samba (2.2.1a and below) has |inferior performance to Windows XP when it comes to handling |large files. | --- Quite the opposite is true. Recent benchmarks on that very same version of Samba by Ziff-Davis people (Cnet and the like) report that Samba EXCEEDS Win2K and WinXP in xfer speeds. You have something wrong with your setup. --- I'm not going to get into the so called "raid" setup you are using... Which is another problem altogether... -JMS Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap!
yep, right you are, just went and checked... the 2700 must have been the score of the 1.4 I had before this one. vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 6 model : 6 model name : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1800+ stepping: 2 cpu MHz : 1538.840 cache size : 256 KB fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 1 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr 6 mce cx8 9 sep mtrr pge 14 cmov pat 17 19 mmxext mmx fxsr 3dnowext 3dnow bogomips: 3073.64 thats on mdk7.2 at present, with most of the otherboard unrecognised.. don't know if that makes a difference or not. the system is completely standard, no overclocking, (though I have head I can get close to 1900mhz from this chip.) with 256mb DDR Sdram.. They a good heart to any system do Athlons. :-) As far as I know, bogomips makes no use of SSE instructions, that would make a difference if it did I think. The Athlon XP has full PIII SSE instructions I believe. still, its not a shabby score.. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tom Brinkman Sent: Sunday, 2 December 2001 4:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap! On Saturday 01 December 2001 11:52 am, Franki wrote: > I have an AthlonXP1800 and it rocks, try 2700 Bogomips, (might have > been more, can't remember) but anyway, its lightning fast.. 1.4 Tbird runnin at 1.55 (11.5x135) using old left over pc100 sdram on an inexpensive Soyo k7vta pro, $ cat /proc/cpuinfo cpu MHz : 1552.506 bogomips: 3099.85 Which is about normal. A Tbird 1.33 should get ~2700 > Its not the brand of mainboard that matters, its the chipset, > timings ect.. I don't believe so. Yes timings and chipsets are important, but even more so is the engineering quality, design, and construction of the mobo. You'll never get a PCChips board, for instance, that equals a Soyo. Brand matters _VERY_ much, for performance, stability, and reliability http://www.linuxhardware.org/features/01/11/30/1626230.shtml Back to the subject, this thread'll be back in a few months, but it'll read "8.2 Piece of Crap!, I'm going back to 8.1". Much the same way we endured "7.2 Piece of Crap!, I'm going back to 7.1" a while back. I'm stayin with/going back to posts have always plagued the mailing lists and news groups since I started usin Mandrake 6.0. Same with RedHat and Slack before that. Some things just don't change -- Tom Brinkman Galveston Bay, USA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Fwd: Re: [expert] Nothing works on KDE!
Interestingly, I use Linux now because I decided to try it, as a dual boot, and was amazed how smoothly it installed and just ran, compared to Windows 2000 Professional, which I had installed just about a month before. This was a pre 6.5 version of Mandrake, I couldn't get over it! I work a full time job and have nearly zero time to tweak and poke, and my Mandrake 7.2 system is only rebooted when the power has gone out long enough to trip the power failure software (about once this year), I have had to reboot my 8.0 system many more times than that, not to mention the countless occasions of having to log in from another machine to clear up a bug. Also, on the 7.2 system I can unplug my USB mouse, while running X, and when I plug it back it - it works; in 8.0 if I want to unplug the mouse, I have to Ctl-Alt-Fx to a console (which must be logged in) then when I plug the mouse back in I have to wait for the usb interrupt message, then hit Enter then Ctl-Alt-F7 to reenter X for the mouse to work. How come the older Linux's work better? To paraphrase Queen (with a little of "13th Warrior" thrown in) "WE are the champions my friends, limping is for losers, get stronger." Linux can be tops, but we need to stop making excuses. mg On Saturday 01 December 2001 03:14, ltiu wrote: > That's because these are commercial establishments with time and resources > to extensively test and configure their systems. "Joe the home user" wants > things working right away. I use Linux now but when I first started, I had > to spend lots of time and effort before things worked. > > On Friday 30 November 2001 23:49, you wrote: > > Don't tell IBM and Boscov's Department store and Amazon and the city of > > Largo Fla. they think it's pretty stable. Go figuah. > > > > mg > > > > On Friday 30 November 2001 23:50, ltiu wrote: > > > Your mileage varies. Everyone has a story to tell. It's open source and > > > QA is not very good. That's why it bahaves differently for different > > > people with different hardware, different usage needs and different > > > usage patterns. > > > > > > It's usually a mis-configuration. Tracking down what's mis-configured > > > will be a nightmare. > > > > > > On Friday 30 November 2001 19:42, you wrote: > > > > Hello > > > > > > > > I am having a funny behaviour with KDe and Gnome. If I click on any > > > > icon on desktop, I can see that the programme is running but nothing > > > > happens after that. If I want to create a terminal, again nothing > > > > happens. All windows simply disappear. > > > > > > > > On Gnome things are a bit different. I can't move any terminal > > > > window. They are stuck on the left corner and that is it. > > > > > > > > On windowmaker, everything works fine. > > > > > > > > What is going on? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Eduardo > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; name="message.footer" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Content-Description: > > --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] NTP -- driving me crazy!
Isnt ntpdate just a client like rdate? You need ntpd runnung. try "service ntpd start" and see what happens. # rpm -qa|grep ntp ntp-4.1.0-1mdk # ntpd (and ntpdate) are part of the above package. Usage is the same as xntpd (and seem so similar it may just be a rename?) BillK On Sun, 2001-12-02 at 06:06, Charlie Bebber wrote: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format... > > =_1007244412-31033-738 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > > I had this working many moons ago, but with new upgrades/installs, it's all > been lost and I can't remember what I did (but I know it's not that hard -- > that's why it's driving me crazy). > > So here's what I've got going on: > > - ntp installed on all of my machines > - ntp configured on fileserver to sync to external time server (doesn't stay > synced, however). > - ntp configured on remaining nodes to sync with fileserver who is supposed > to allow that > > But what's happening is that the ntp on the fileserver will start up, sync > with the external time server, but down the line, the time begins to drift > and according to my syslog, there were never any more attempts to keep time > synced (ntp-4.1.0-1mdk installed on every one of them). > > And on the local clients, in my /etc/ntp.conf, I've got 10.1.1.3 (the IP for > the fileserver) set for the server. That never worked so I stuck it in my > /etc/ntp/step-tickers and still, no love. Here's what I get: > > ntpdate[13387]: no server suitable for synchronization found > > I portscanned the fileserver and 123 isn't even open (shouldn't it be > listening on that port?). When I do a 'ps auxw |grep ntp' on the > fileserver, all I've got is 'ntp -A'. Should there be anything else in > order to allow other nodes to sync? > > So what am I missing here? I'm all out of ideas. > > Thanks in advance, > > -Charlie > -- > GPG Key fingerprint = 4F36 EC4F 2F2C 5F59 9690 09E5 4C0F 9DB0 8623 53CE > > > > > =_1007244412-31033-738 > Content-Type: application/DEFANGED-5660; name="message_footer.DEFANGED-5660" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Content-Disposition: inline; filename="message_footer.DEFANGED-5660" > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > =_1007244412-31033-738 > Content-Type: text/sanitizer-log; charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="sanitizer.log" > > This message has been 'sanitized'. This means that potentially > dangerous content has been rewritten or removed. The following > log describes which actions were taken. > > Sanitizer (start="1007244845"): > Part (pos="2271"): > SanitizeFile (filename="unnamed.txt", mimetype="text/plain"): > Match (rule="2"): > Enforced policy: accept > > Part (pos="3800"): > SanitizeFile (filename="message.footer", mimetype="text/plain"): > Match (rule="default"): > Enforced policy: defang > > Replaced mime type with: application/DEFANGED-5660 > Replaced file name with: message_footer.DEFANGED-5660 > > Total modifications so far: 1 > > > Anomy 0.0.0 : Sanitizer.pm > $Id: Sanitizer.pm,v 1.32 2001/10/11 19:27:15 bre Exp $ > > =_1007244412-31033-738-- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] NTP -- driving me crazy!
I just went back and installed xntp3 on the server and life is good. I have no idea why xntp3 stopped being bundled and was replaced with, what IMHO, is an inferior ntp package. Can anyone shed some light on this? Cheers, -Charlie Bill Kenworthy said: > Isnt ntpdate just a client like rdate? You need ntpd runnung. try > "service ntpd start" and see what happens. > > # rpm -qa|grep ntp > ntp-4.1.0-1mdk > # > > ntpd (and ntpdate) are part of the above package. Usage is the same as > xntpd (and seem so similar it may just be a rename?) > > BillK > > On Sun, 2001-12-02 at 06:06, Charlie Bebber wrote: >> This is a multi-part message in MIME format... >> >> =_1007244412-31033-738 >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >> >> >> I had this working many moons ago, but with new upgrades/installs, >> it's all been lost and I can't remember what I did (but I know it's >> not that hard -- that's why it's driving me crazy). >> >> So here's what I've got going on: >> >> - ntp installed on all of my machines >> - ntp configured on fileserver to sync to external time server >> (doesn't stay synced, however). >> - ntp configured on remaining nodes to sync with fileserver who is >> supposed to allow that >> >> But what's happening is that the ntp on the fileserver will start up, >> sync with the external time server, but down the line, the time begins >> to drift and according to my syslog, there were never any more >> attempts to keep time synced (ntp-4.1.0-1mdk installed on every one >> of them). >> >> And on the local clients, in my /etc/ntp.conf, I've got 10.1.1.3 (the >> IP for the fileserver) set for the server. That never worked so I >> stuck it in my /etc/ntp/step-tickers and still, no love. Here's what >> I get: >> >> ntpdate[13387]: no server suitable for synchronization found >> >> I portscanned the fileserver and 123 isn't even open (shouldn't it be >> listening on that port?). When I do a 'ps auxw |grep ntp' on the >> fileserver, all I've got is 'ntp -A'. Should there be anything else >> in order to allow other nodes to sync? >> >> So what am I missing here? I'm all out of ideas. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> -Charlie >> -- >> GPG Key fingerprint = 4F36 EC4F 2F2C 5F59 9690 09E5 4C0F 9DB0 8623 >> 53CE >> >> >> >> >> =_1007244412-31033-738 >> Content-Type: application/DEFANGED-5660; >> name="message_footer.DEFANGED-5660" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >> Content-Disposition: inline; filename="message_footer.DEFANGED-5660" >> >> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >> Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com >> >> =_1007244412-31033-738 >> Content-Type: text/sanitizer-log; charset="iso-8859-1" >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >> Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="sanitizer.log" >> >> This message has been 'sanitized'. This means that potentially >> dangerous content has been rewritten or removed. The following >> log describes which actions were taken. >> >> Sanitizer (start="1007244845"): >> Part (pos="2271"): >> SanitizeFile (filename="unnamed.txt", mimetype="text/plain"): >> Match (rule="2"): >> Enforced policy: accept >> >> Part (pos="3800"): >> SanitizeFile (filename="message.footer", mimetype="text/plain"): >> Match (rule="default"): >> Enforced policy: defang >> >> Replaced mime type with: application/DEFANGED-5660 >> Replaced file name with: message_footer.DEFANGED-5660 >> >> Total modifications so far: 1 >> >> >> Anomy 0.0.0 : Sanitizer.pm >> $Id: Sanitizer.pm,v 1.32 2001/10/11 19:27:15 bre Exp $ >> >> =_1007244412-31033-738-- -- GPG Key fingerprint = 4F36 EC4F 2F2C 5F59 9690 09E5 4C0F 9DB0 8623 53CE Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
