Re: [expert] NTP -- driving me crazy!
the ntp stuff in lm now is the ntp4 release whereas xntpd uses ntp3 (4 should be backwards compatible with 3), in normal usage the only difference is that, as bill says, you need to have /etc/init.d./ntpd running and not as before, /xntpd, to all usual intents and purposes, a rename, clients running xntpd have no problem syncing with a server running ntpd and vice versa bascule On Sunday 02 Dec 2001 7:40 am, you wrote: I just went back and installed xntp3 on the server and life is good. I have no idea why xntp3 stopped being bundled and was replaced with, what IMHO, is an inferior ntp package. Can anyone shed some light on this? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] NTP -- driving me crazy!
bascule said: the ntp stuff in lm now is the ntp4 release whereas xntpd uses ntp3 (4 should be backwards compatible with 3), in normal usage the only difference is that, as bill says, you need to have /etc/init.d./ntpd running and not as before, /xntpd, to all usual intents and purposes, a rename, clients running xntpd have no problem syncing with a server running ntpd and vice versa Interesting. I don't know what it is then, but xntp3 works and ntp doesn't. So running ntp will keep running ntpdate every so often to keep synced with the server listed in /etc/ntp.conf? From what I've read, with ntp, you have to now have to have ntpdate in a cronjob. IMHO, that should be the default behaviour. Cheers, -Charlie bascule On Sunday 02 Dec 2001 7:40 am, you wrote: I just went back and installed xntp3 on the server and life is good. I have no idea why xntp3 stopped being bundled and was replaced with, what IMHO, is an inferior ntp package. Can anyone shed some light on this? -- GPG Key fingerprint = 4F36 EC4F 2F2C 5F59 9690 09E5 4C0F 9DB0 8623 53CE Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert]3ware and Samba performance stinks under 8.1 (relative to other things)
I get a vicarious thrill out of the fact that it beats Win2K and WinXP hands down in testing... Yuk, yuk, yuk... -JMS |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Franki |Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 7:44 PM |To: Linux Mandrake Expert Mailing List |Subject: RE: [expert]3ware and Samba performance stinks under |8.1 (relative to other things) | | |Yes, I would concur with that, | |I have samba setup here, and the performance has been great, I |did some tests with a 16mb zip file I made for the tests... | |copied it to and from the linux box (8.1, 2.4.13-9kernel) and |it was very responsive, and that was on my crappy Ppro200 |system, which is also running postfix and httpd and others for |my home network.. | |the 16mb file copied in the same or less time then I had |copying it to and from windows box's on the network, (my |girlfriends computer) | |So I can see nothing wrong with its performance. | | |rgds | |Frank Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] NTP -- driving me crazy!
Be aware that some versions of xntpd have a security hole. I think you need to go back and reread the documentation for ntpd - ntpd is a daemon, used to set both the time on your machine and can act as a server for your network (I use it for both). Ntpdate is similar to rdate (which uses the time service instead of ntp for for its time information). ntpdate is a client for manual use, or for cron jobs where you may need fine control over when you check the time. ntpd is for continuous, automated updates which occur on a schedule set by the daemon depending on its hosts stability, access to servers etc. The Mandrake ntpd should work out-of-the-box as a service - even to the point where it asks for a timeserver during the OS install. Possibly your problems stem from trying to modify the ntp.conf or other files and creatying problems for yourself. Run the server as I specified before (with the original ntpd.conf changed to add a known good time server) and check syslog. Also check out the ntpq program. Attached is the relevant paragraph from the documentation: In some cases it may not be practical for ntpd to run continuously. A common workaround has been to run the ntpdate program from a cron job at designated times. However, this program does not have the crafted signal processing, error checking and mitigation algorithms of ntpd. The -q option is intended for this purpose. Setting this option will cause ntpd to exit just after setting the clock for the first time. The procedure for initially setting the clock is the same as in continuous mode; most applications will probably want to specify the iburst keyword with the server configuration command. With this keyword a volley of messages are exchanged to groom the data and the clock is set in about a minute. If nothing is heard after a couple of minutes, the daemon times out and exits. After a suitable period of mourning, the ntpdate program may be retired. Have fun, BillK On Sun, 2001-12-02 at 18:50, bascule wrote: the ntp stuff in lm now is the ntp4 release whereas xntpd uses ntp3 (4 should be backwards compatible with 3), in normal usage the only difference is that, as bill says, you need to have /etc/init.d./ntpd running and not as before, /xntpd, to all usual intents and purposes, a rename, clients running xntpd have no problem syncing with a server running ntpd and vice versa bascule On Sunday 02 Dec 2001 7:40 am, you wrote: I just went back and installed xntp3 on the server and life is good. I have no idea why xntp3 stopped being bundled and was replaced with, what IMHO, is an inferior ntp package. Can anyone shed some light on this? This message has been 'sanitized'. This means that potentially dangerous content has been rewritten or removed. The following log describes which actions were taken. Sanitizer (start=1007290658): Part (pos=2740): SanitizeFile (filename=unnamed.txt, mimetype=text/plain): Match (rule=2): Enforced policy: accept Part (pos=3519): SanitizeFile (filename=message.footer, mimetype=text/plain): Match (rule=default): Enforced policy: defang Replaced mime type with: application/DEFANGED-4120 Replaced file name with: message_footer.DEFANGED-4120 Total modifications so far: 1 Anomy 0.0.0 : Sanitizer.pm $Id: Sanitizer.pm,v 1.32 2001/10/11 19:27:15 bre Exp $ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] NTP -- driving me crazy!
I use clockspeed. This package is written by the guy who wrote qmail. Here's a little blurb and the link http://cr.yp.to/clockspeed/clockspeed-0.62.tar.gz clockspeed uses a hardware tick counter to compensate for a persistently fast or slow system clock. Given a few time measurements from a reliable source, it computes and then eliminates the clock skew. sntpclock checks another system's NTP clock, and prints the results in a format suitable for input to clockspeed. sntpclock is the simplest available NTP/SNTP client. taiclock and taiclockd form an even simpler alternative to SNTP. They are suitable for precise time synchronization over a local area network, without the hassles and potential security problems of an NTP server. - Joe On Saturday 01 December 2001 14:06, you wrote: I had this working many moons ago, but with new upgrades/installs, it's all been lost and I can't remember what I did (but I know it's not that hard -- that's why it's driving me crazy). So here's what I've got going on: - ntp installed on all of my machines - ntp configured on fileserver to sync to external time server (doesn't stay synced, however). - ntp configured on remaining nodes to sync with fileserver who is supposed to allow that But what's happening is that the ntp on the fileserver will start up, sync with the external time server, but down the line, the time begins to drift and according to my syslog, there were never any more attempts to keep time synced (ntp-4.1.0-1mdk installed on every one of them). And on the local clients, in my /etc/ntp.conf, I've got 10.1.1.3 (the IP for the fileserver) set for the server. That never worked so I stuck it in my /etc/ntp/step-tickers and still, no love. Here's what I get: ntpdate[13387]: no server suitable for synchronization found I portscanned the fileserver and 123 isn't even open (shouldn't it be listening on that port?). When I do a 'ps auxw |grep ntp' on the fileserver, all I've got is 'ntp -A'. Should there be anything else in order to allow other nodes to sync? So what am I missing here? I'm all out of ideas. Thanks in advance, -Charlie Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] printing
Hiya, which modules need/must to be compiled to allow norml printing on 2.4.13-7mdk ? I have tried both building the kernel with modules and built in for par port etc, but cups is winging it cant find the device ie /dev/lpr its there and works fine with 2.4.8-26mdk. just checking if I've missed something, if not whats the safest known 2.4.15 or 2.4.14 kernel version ?, thats on the cooker at the moment ? cya Richard Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] replacing kdm with xdm
Hey folks, re the subject, I've tried replacing the line in /etc/inittab so that it tries to respawn /usr/X11R6/bin/xdm but it still starts kdm. I also tried renaming kdm and symlinking to xdm, it still starts kdm! Can anyone give me a tip on how to get xdm going instead of kdm? TIA, Bill Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Server
Could someone tell me how to make MY files accessable to my network. I have samba working, in that I can mount any ot the other computers drives, however they still cannot see my drives. HILP, Please. I want to use 'Drake almost all of the time, however at this time, I cannot, due to my wife needing to access my 2 storeage drives. THANKS RB - Original Message - From: Robert Boggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Robert Boggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [expert] Server On Tuesday 27 November 2001 10:22 pm, you wrote: Turns out the problem with her tcpip was a little program for windows called zone alarm. Got that snag fixed. On Tuesday 27 November 2001 10:16 pm, you wrote: Well, my wife's machine will not instsll tcpip. I don't know why, but due to the very expensive Jaws for windows, i Really cannot replace it. Why NetBui? Why not change your winblows machines to tcp/ip? Seems a heck of alot easier. On Tuesday 27 November 2001 19:02, you wrote: I have a small network using netbui, and I would like to make it work in linux. My wife has to use windows, because she is blind, and so far, no program has been setup for talking in X KDE or Gnome. I would like to know how to set this up. You may reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=message.footer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Slow
I would expect the problem might also be with some server (ie.; named, ypbind routed) looking for something on a network that is mis-configured, then timing out and working as if it did not need that deamon (since really it did not need that service running and the misconfigureationjust caused it to search for a server not running or a address not on the network?. On Saturday 01 December 2001 15:32, you wrote: You people with older motherboards and lotsa RAM needs to do a little investigating before complaining about how long anything takes to do. The amount of cache RAM can affect performance in a very big way. My VIA Not only that, but complaining about how long it takes to boot (how often do you boot anyway? The last time I rebooted was about 6 months ago, and my box rebooted itself because of a power glitch, and I decided to upgrade to 8.1 then too). And complaining about how long programs take to start up isn't really a good measure of performance. MVP3 motherboard has 1024K of cache, which is sufficient only for 256 Mb of RAM. Benchmarks running 512 Mb are roughly 40% worse than when That can be an issue. Newer systems (athlon) have the cache on the chip anyway - mine's an Athlon with 128k or so of on-chip cache and I don't know if there is any level-2 cache although I suspect there is. It's an ASUS A7V 133 board, with 256 megs of RAM. From what I've read, linux does slow down if there isn't sufficient cache, because parts of the memory are left uncached - and I'm not sure why this is - I figure the kernel should be loaded towards the bottom of memory (in a cached region, naturally) and not somewhere where the RAM isn't cached. Thus, the system need only suffer slowdowns when your resident set of processes are larger than the amount of RAM that can be cached. However, it doesn't appear this is the case -- unless more recent kernels have made this a moot point. Secondly, I think the issue is related to not having enough cache tag bits rather than the amount of cache. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Server
open up /etc/xinetd.d/swat in your favorite editor, change disable = yes to disable = no, restart xinetd (service xinetd restart). Now open up http://localhost:901/ in your favorite browser and set the configuration as you like it. When you're done, service samba restart. -- Asheesh. On Sun, 2 Dec 2001, Robert Boggs wrote: Could someone tell me how to make MY files accessable to my network. I have samba working, in that I can mount any ot the other computers drives, however they still cannot see my drives. HILP, Please. I want to use 'Drake almost all of the time, however at this time, I cannot, due to my wife needing to access my 2 storeage drives. THANKS RB - Original Message - From: Robert Boggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Robert Boggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [expert] Server On Tuesday 27 November 2001 10:22 pm, you wrote: Turns out the problem with her tcpip was a little program for windows called zone alarm. Got that snag fixed. On Tuesday 27 November 2001 10:16 pm, you wrote: Well, my wife's machine will not instsll tcpip. I don't know why, but due to the very expensive Jaws for windows, i Really cannot replace it. Why NetBui? Why not change your winblows machines to tcp/ip? Seems a heck of alot easier. On Tuesday 27 November 2001 19:02, you wrote: I have a small network using netbui, and I would like to make it work in linux. My wife has to use windows, because she is blind, and so far, no program has been setup for talking in X KDE or Gnome. I would like to know how to set this up. You may reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=message.footer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Server
On Sun, 2001-12-02 at 09:55, Robert Boggs wrote: Could someone tell me how to make MY files accessable to my network. I have samba working, in that I can mount any ot the other computers drives, however they still cannot see my drives. HILP, Please. I want to use 'Drake almost all of the time, however at this time, I cannot, due to my wife needing to access my 2 storeage drives. THANKS RB Robert, If you are wanting to create a simple public folder that is available to all the users on your network, add this to your /etc/smb.conf file: # A publicly accessible directory [public] comment = Public Stuff path = /home/public public = yes writable = yes printable = no valid users = dave, carrie Note that the directory /home/public must exist, and must have read/write/execute permissions for for everyone: chmod 777 /home/public This way, Samba users will be able to use it. For your valid users, you must have Samba user accounts setup on the Linux machine. In my case, dave and carrie are the actual linux user accounts as well as the samba user accounts. If you don't know the difference, I would recommend reading the Samba documentation included with Samba. In any case, to create a Samba user account, as root: smbadduser username The smbadduser script will walk you through setting up your user and password, and this is the user name you will use in the valid users section. They do not need to be the same as a real Linux user account, although in my case they are the same. Dave -- consultant, n.: Someone who knowns 101 ways to make love, but can't get a date. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] kernel sources 2.4.13 mdk
Hello All, I have recently tried to install the kernel-2.4.13-12mdk rpm on my Linux Mandrake 8.1 system because I have had compile troubles(it seems that there is a missing aicxx.h file) with the kernwl-2.4.8-26mdk which comes with the distro. The problem is that the 2.4.13 mdk rpm does not install the sources in the /usr/src/linux-2.4.13 and I am not sure where it is putting them. How do I get them installed correctly so that I can compile them up? Cheers, Lonnie Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Please I need help
Damn... I tried it all, and nothing works. The Software Manager fails during install of Mozilla. What are my options now? /Søren On Fri, 2001-11-30 at 02:45, Joseph Braddock wrote: When you reinstalled mozilla, did you use the release that was on your Mandrake CDs? If not, urpme mozilla (which should also remove galeon). Then install galeon through the software manager and let it install the the mozilla there, too. If that is what you already did, then after uninstalling and before installing, remove the hidden mozilla directories in your home directory and see if that works. Joe On Wednesday 28 November 2001 12:46 pm, you wrote: Should have tried the hammer first, now nothing works :) urpme mozilla went fine, it also removed galeon (dependencies). I then used Mandrake Software Manager to install galeon which depended on mozilla so it tried to install mozilla first - it failed and now I have nothing but Lynx :( Where to go from here? /Søren On Wed, 2001-11-28 at 17:43, Hoyt Duff wrote: On Wednesday 28 November 2001 11:30, you wrote: Ok - how do I uninstall Mozilla? I'm pretty much a newbie at this. Fisrt, get a large hammer . . . No, that's not right. # urpme mozilla should do it Hoyt =_1006965807-31033-20 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com =_1007084584-31033-386 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- .. Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Søren Neigaard Registered Linux User #239437 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Slow
I would expect the problem might also be with some server (ie.; named, ypbind routed) looking for something on a network that is mis-configured Hmm. One poster said that the boot time from LILO to login: was 45 minutes when he upgraded to 384 megs recently. I don't remember the details, but it makes me wonder if the boot sequence hung for a period of time just as you describe (one install I did hung for a few minutes looking for a nonexistent UPS). Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] NTP -- driving me crazy!
On Sun, 2 Dec 2001 03:21:09 -0800 (PST) Charlie Bebber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charlie Charlie Interesting. I don't know what it is then, but xntp3 works and ntp doesn't. You should be able to get ntp working, too. Charlie So running ntp will keep running ntpdate every so often to keep synced with Charlie the server listed in /etc/ntp.conf? From what I've read, with ntp, you have Charlie to now have to have ntpdate in a cronjob. In a properly setup system ntp changes your clock slowly so it does not jump to keep up with correct time. You dont' need any crontab entry for it. As long as ntpd is running there should be constant small adjustments to the clock's speed - fractions of a second changes. ntpq -p will tell you how things are doing in that area. -- Brian - [EMAIL PROTECTED] My Home Page: http://www.brimac.com/~brianmac Fine Photos: http://www.brimacphotography.com Art for Sale: http://www.artbrowser.com Classified Advertising: http://www.sellit2000.com A gentleman can disagree without being disagreeable. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] printing
On Sunday 02 December 2001 10:04 am, richard wrote: if not whats the safest known 2.4.15 or 2.4.14 kernel version ?, thats on the cooker at the moment ? cya Richard kernel-2.4.16.1mdk-1-1mdk seems fine here. I see alot of posts on the Mandrake newsgroup with the same good experience, no negative ones. -- Tom Brinkman Galveston Bay, USA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] NTP -- driving me crazy!
Right arm -- I'll have to check that one out. Thanks! -Charlie joe said: I use clockspeed. This package is written by the guy who wrote qmail. Here's a little blurb and the link http://cr.yp.to/clockspeed/clockspeed-0.62.tar.gz clockspeed uses a hardware tick counter to compensate for a persistently fast or slow system clock. Given a few time measurements from a reliable source, it computes and then eliminates the clock skew. sntpclock checks another system's NTP clock, and prints the results in a format suitable for input to clockspeed. sntpclock is the simplest available NTP/SNTP client. taiclock and taiclockd form an even simpler alternative to SNTP. They are suitable for precise time synchronization over a local area network, without the hassles and potential security problems of an NTP server. - Joe On Saturday 01 December 2001 14:06, you wrote: I had this working many moons ago, but with new upgrades/installs, it's all been lost and I can't remember what I did (but I know it's not that hard -- that's why it's driving me crazy). So here's what I've got going on: - ntp installed on all of my machines - ntp configured on fileserver to sync to external time server (doesn't stay synced, however). - ntp configured on remaining nodes to sync with fileserver who is supposed to allow that But what's happening is that the ntp on the fileserver will start up, sync with the external time server, but down the line, the time begins to drift and according to my syslog, there were never any more attempts to keep time synced (ntp-4.1.0-1mdk installed on every one of them). And on the local clients, in my /etc/ntp.conf, I've got 10.1.1.3 (the IP for the fileserver) set for the server. That never worked so I stuck it in my /etc/ntp/step-tickers and still, no love. Here's what I get: ntpdate[13387]: no server suitable for synchronization found I portscanned the fileserver and 123 isn't even open (shouldn't it be listening on that port?). When I do a 'ps auxw |grep ntp' on the fileserver, all I've got is 'ntp -A'. Should there be anything else in order to allow other nodes to sync? So what am I missing here? I'm all out of ideas. Thanks in advance, -Charlie -- GPG Key fingerprint = 4F36 EC4F 2F2C 5F59 9690 09E5 4C0F 9DB0 8623 53CE Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] NTP -- driving me crazy!
Brian said: On Sun, 2 Dec 2001 03:21:09 -0800 (PST) Charlie Bebber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charlie Charlie Interesting. I don't know what it is then, but xntp3 works and ntp doesn't. You should be able to get ntp working, too. It's not the fact that it's not working. It'll sync to a remote time server, but when ntp runs on a local server and local nodes are trying to sync with it, there's no love. But for some reason, xntp3 doesn't have that problem. Charlie So running ntp will keep running ntpdate every so often to keep synced with Charlie the server listed in /etc/ntp.conf? From what I've read, with ntp, you have Charlie to now have to have ntpdate in a cronjob. In a properly setup system ntp changes your clock slowly so it does not jump to keep up with correct time. You dont' need any crontab entry for it. As long as ntpd is running there should be constant small adjustments to the clock's speed - fractions of a second changes. ntpq -p will tell you how things are doing in that area. I had ntp installed on probably half a dozen machines and all of them had different times set. Again, it'll sync with a remote server and not a local one, but even the ones that sync with the remote server don't get synced constantly and the clock begins to drift after a few months of uptime. And it doesn't seem to be just ntp in Mandrake. Browsing the comp.protocols.time.ntp newsgroup, it seems like a tonne of people are having this problem (not being able to sync locally). Thanks for the reply, -Charlie -- Brian - [EMAIL PROTECTED] My Home Page: http://www.brimac.com/~brianmac Fine Photos: http://www.brimacphotography.com Art for Sale: http://www.artbrowser.com Classified Advertising: http://www.sellit2000.com A gentleman can disagree without being disagreeable. -- GPG Key fingerprint = 4F36 EC4F 2F2C 5F59 9690 09E5 4C0F 9DB0 8623 53CE Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] NTP -- driving me crazy!
Bill Kenworthy said:
Be aware that some versions of xntpd have a security hole. I think you
It's running behind a firewall on my local LAN, so I'm not too worried about
me cracking my own box :)
need to go back and reread the documentation for ntpd - ntpd is a
daemon, used to set both the time on your machine and can act as a
server for your network (I use it for both). Ntpdate is similar to
rdate (which uses the time service instead of ntp for for its time
information). ntpdate is a client for manual use, or for cron jobs
where you may need fine control over when you check the time. ntpd is
for continuous, automated updates which occur on a schedule set by the
daemon depending on its hosts stability, access to servers etc.
So if you go through your syslog, can you find where ntpdate periodically
syncs on its own with the server you've listed in your ntp.conf? Everything
you've said makes perfect sense and it work{s,ed} for me when the server was
runn. It's just strange that a lot of people are experiencing the same
problem that I'm having.
The Mandrake ntpd should work out-of-the-box as a service - even to the
point where it asks for a timeserver during the OS install. Possibly
your problems stem from trying to modify the ntp.conf or other files
and creatying problems for yourself. Run the server as I specified
before (with the original ntpd.conf changed to add a known good time
server) and check syslog. Also check out the ntpq program.
It's not a terribly difficult thing to change the default 127.127.1.0 or
whatever it is in the ntp.conf to 10.1.1.3. And 'ntpq -p' shows everything
as it should. People on the comp.protocols.time.ntp newsgroup have even
done tcpdumps and see the requests coming in -- there's just something wrong
that no one can figure out. But you've seemed to have got it running.
Dunno.
Attached is the relevant paragraph from the documentation:
In some cases it may not be practical for ntpd to run continuously. A
common workaround has been to run the ntpdate program from a cron job
at designated times. However, this program does not have the crafted
signal processing, error checking and mitigation algorithms of ntpd.
The -q option is intended for this purpose. Setting this option will
cause ntpd to exit just after setting the clock for the first time. The
procedure for initially setting the clock is the same as in continuous
mode; most applications will probably want to specify the iburst
keyword with the server configuration command. With this keyword a
volley of messages are exchanged to groom the data and the clock is set
in about a minute. If nothing is heard after a couple of minutes, the
daemon times out and exits. After a suitable period of mourning, the
ntpdate program may be retired.
I'll look into it again.
Thanks,
-Charlie
Have fun,
BillK
On Sun, 2001-12-02 at 18:50, bascule wrote:
the ntp stuff in lm now is the ntp4 release whereas xntpd uses ntp3 (4
should be backwards compatible with 3), in normal usage the only
difference is that, as bill says, you need to have /etc/init.d./ntpd
running and not as before, /xntpd, to all usual intents and
purposes, a rename, clients running xntpd have no problem syncing
with a server running ntpd and vice versa
bascule
On Sunday 02 Dec 2001 7:40 am, you wrote:
I just went back and installed xntp3 on the server and life is good.
I have no idea why xntp3 stopped being bundled and was replaced
with, what IMHO, is an inferior ntp package. Can anyone shed some
light on this?
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Re: [expert] NTP -- driving me crazy!
check your ntp.conf file for the following line at the end: restrict default ignore if it's there, comment it out (#) and see if local machines can then get time from your 'master clock machine'. It's in there for security - preventing outsiders from wasting your bandwidth getting time from your server, there are other settings you can have there which prevent outsiders but allow local machines to connect. I have: restrict default nomodify nopeer noquery restrict xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx mask mmm.mmm.mmm.mmm restrict 127.0.0.1 (replace xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx with your netblock IP and mmm.mmm.mmm.mmm with your mask) Also, multicastclient seemed to give me trouble so I commented that out. The config file for ntp has a lot of examples, some of which are not needed or desired in some setups. if you have a server line and a driftfile line, it should work. again, check if it's working and staying synced with 'ntpq -p' offset value and reach values are possibly the most important there. Ideal value for reach is 377 0 means it's not working at all. offset value is in mS ( 1.000 = .001 seconds). local machines should have value very near 0 there, value to the external machine you're connecting to should be less than 100 ( .1 second), if greater, maybe another external clock source would be a good idea. As stated previously, xntpd has some security issues, but I think it was an issue with outsiders being able to mess with your clock without permission, but I guess if they were to have your system trying to connect to thousands of machines for time, it could create a DoS condition. On Sun, 2 Dec 2001 10:50:47 -0800 (PST) Charlie Bebber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charlie Charlie Brian said: Charlie Charlie On Sun, 2 Dec 2001 03:21:09 -0800 (PST) Charlie Charlie Bebber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charlie Charlie Charlie Charlie Charlie Interesting. I don't know what it is then, but xntp3 works Charlie and ntp doesn't. Charlie Charlie You should be able to get ntp working, too. Charlie Charlie It's not the fact that it's not working. It'll sync to a remote time Charlie server, but when ntp runs on a local server and local nodes are trying to Charlie sync with it, there's no love. But for some reason, xntp3 doesn't have that Charlie problem. Charlie Charlie Charlie So running ntp will keep running ntpdate every so often to Charlie keep synced with Charlie the server listed in /etc/ntp.conf? From Charlie what I've read, with ntp, you have Charlie to now have to have ntpdate Charlie in a cronjob. Charlie Charlie In a properly setup system ntp changes your clock slowly so it does not Charlie jump to keep up with correct time. You dont' need any crontab entry Charlie for it. As long as ntpd is running there should be constant small Charlie adjustments to the clock's speed - fractions of a second changes. Charlie Charlie ntpq -p will tell you how things are doing in that area. Charlie Charlie I had ntp installed on probably half a dozen machines and all of them had Charlie different times set. Again, it'll sync with a remote server and not a local Charlie one, but even the ones that sync with the remote server don't get synced Charlie constantly and the clock begins to drift after a few months of uptime. Charlie Charlie And it doesn't seem to be just ntp in Mandrake. Browsing the Charlie comp.protocols.time.ntp newsgroup, it seems like a tonne of people are Charlie having this problem (not being able to sync locally). Charlie Charlie Thanks for the reply, Charlie Charlie -Charlie Charlie Charlie -- Charlie Brian - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charlie My Home Page: http://www.brimac.com/~brianmac Charlie Fine Photos: http://www.brimacphotography.com Charlie Art for Sale: http://www.artbrowser.com Charlie Classified Advertising: http://www.sellit2000.com Charlie Charlie Charlie A gentleman can disagree without being disagreeable. Charlie Charlie Charlie -- Charlie GPG Key fingerprint = 4F36 EC4F 2F2C 5F59 9690 09E5 4C0F 9DB0 8623 53CE Charlie Charlie Charlie -- Brian - [EMAIL PROTECTED] My Home Page: http://www.brimac.com/~brianmac Fine Photos: http://www.brimacphotography.com Art for Sale: http://www.artbrowser.com Classified Advertising: http://www.sellit2000.com Fine day to work off excess energy. Steal something heavy. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] printing
Are you thinking of /dev/lp0? -- Asheesh. On 2 Dec 2001, richard wrote: Hiya, which modules need/must to be compiled to allow norml printing on 2.4.13-7mdk ? I have tried both building the kernel with modules and built in for par port etc, but cups is winging it cant find the device ie /dev/lpr its there and works fine with 2.4.8-26mdk. just checking if I've missed something, if not whats the safest known 2.4.15 or 2.4.14 kernel version ?, thats on the cooker at the moment ? cya Richard Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Scanners! Help!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, There! I'm using mdk8.1 and I have a Microtek SlimScan C3, which is supported by sane (microtek2). Sane needs ppscsi and onscsi modules for this scanner. I don't have them on my sustem. Plain question: Do I have to re-compile my kernel to have these modules? IATY, Ricardo Castanho - -- Whenever possible mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] == Linux user # 102240 = Machine # 96125 = Seti@home user == -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.75-6 iEYEARECAAYFAjwKipEACgkQ9I0k95pf9XtVawCfdfzKFt9Qxd14KZnOIxv9UIn3 KyIAn3lsAMjwsrHAAJEJ5tAkXGD7rX3Z =wotR -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] kernel sources 2.4.13 mdk
The kernel-2.4.x package just installs the kernel itself. kernel-source-2.4.x-xmdk might be more what you are looking for. -- Asheesh. On Sun, 2 Dec 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, I have recently tried to install the kernel-2.4.13-12mdk rpm on my Linux Mandrake 8.1 system because I have had compile troubles(it seems that there is a missing aicxx.h file) with the kernwl-2.4.8-26mdk which comes with the distro. The problem is that the 2.4.13 mdk rpm does not install the sources in the /usr/src/linux-2.4.13 and I am not sure where it is putting them. How do I get them installed correctly so that I can compile them up? Cheers, Lonnie Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] printing
Hi Tom I've downloaded 2.4.26 from cooker,, where are the kernel headers for this, and the mdk souce TIA richard On Sun, 2001-12-02 at 17:09, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Sunday 02 December 2001 10:04 am, richard wrote: if not whats the safest known 2.4.15 or 2.4.14 kernel version ?, thats on the cooker at the moment ? cya Richard kernel-2.4.16.1mdk-1-1mdk seems fine here. I see alot of posts on the Mandrake newsgroup with the same good experience, no negative ones. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] printing
yes a typo, still cant find it though On Sun, 2001-12-02 at 20:12, Asheesh Laroia wrote: Are you thinking of /dev/lp0? -- Asheesh. On 2 Dec 2001, richard wrote: Hiya, which modules need/must to be compiled to allow norml printing on 2.4.13-7mdk ? I have tried both building the kernel with modules and built in for par port etc, but cups is winging it cant find the device ie /dev/lpr its there and works fine with 2.4.8-26mdk. just checking if I've missed something, if not whats the safest known 2.4.15 or 2.4.14 kernel version ?, thats on the cooker at the moment ? cya Richard =_1007323802-31033-868 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] NTP -- driving me crazy!
On Mon, 2001-12-03 at 03:02, Charlie Bebber wrote:
Bill Kenworthy said:
So if you go through your syslog, can you find where ntpdate periodically
syncs on its own with the server you've listed in your ntp.conf? Everything
you've said makes perfect sense and it work{s,ed} for me when the server was
runn. It's just strange that a lot of people are experiencing the same
problem that I'm having.
Actually no - I changed the time with the date command and about 10 mins
later when everything was declared stable, it stepped back into time.
Note that this was reported in syslog, but the constant (and reassuring)
stream of messages in syslog that I had in Mandrake 7.2 are not reported
now.
It's not a terribly difficult thing to change the default 127.127.1.0 or
whatever it is in the ntp.conf to 10.1.1.3. And 'ntpq -p' shows everything
as it should. People on the comp.protocols.time.ntp newsgroup have even
done tcpdumps and see the requests coming in -- there's just something wrong
that no one can figure out. But you've seemed to have got it running.
Dunno.
My server ntp.conf, I have a fancier one on my laptop but thats at work
at the moment! I am also using a firewall so I turned auth off to make
it simple.
___
logconfig=syncstatus +sysevents
enable stats
server 127.127.1.0 # local clock
fudge 127.127.1.0 stratum 10
server ntp.iinet.net.au prefer
server time.deakin.edu.au
server time.esec.com.au
server augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.au
server ntp.adelaide.edu.au
server ntp.saard.net
driftfile /etc/ntp/drift
multicastclient # listen on default 224.0.1.1
broadcastdelay 0.008
authenticate no
_
Note that the enable stats and logconfig lines don't appear to work - I
put them in the file to check on things after your problems surfaced.
If you have changed the local clock server settings, that is a possible
cause. Note that it is 10, which allows slave servers to still sync
to the master - otherwise when it declares itself unlocked, it defaults
to 16 and slaves then ignore it - personally I think slaves should also
have this setting (i.e., local set to 16 and 10) to create a
hierarchy. A thought, your master ntp server can talk through the
firewall? Perhaps if you post the results of the peers command in
ntpq forthe master and a slave?
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Re: [expert] NTP -- driving me crazy!
I should have added this: remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter == LOCAL(0)LOCAL(0)10 l 43 64 3770.0000.000 0.015 *core-sw1.wa.iin tictoc.tip.CSIR 2 u 341 1024 377 139.913 -13.741 15.700 +sol.ccs.deakin. murgon.cs.mu.OZ 2 u 363 1024 377 209.749 -18.357 3.488 +cougar.esec.com murgon.cs.mu.OZ 2 u 385 1024 377 209.995 -13.794 36.014 -augean.eleceng. murgon.cs.mu.OZ 2 u 454 1024 377 228.644 -3.868 7.554 -huon.itd.adelai sol.ccs.deakin. 3 u 398 1024 377 230.059 -2.207 7.050 -ns.saard.nettictoc.tip.CSIR 2 u 388 1024 377 289.122 -26.200 48.720 In practise, when sync is lost (dialup drops usually), after a few minutes LOCAL becomes the source and the slaves lock back up when its declared stable (as 10). When the dialup comes online, the sync source just seamlessly shifts to the higher accuracy source. Same occurs if the current remote sync source declares itself unstable. The large offsets are because Perth is a few thousand miles from these sources in the Eastern states (Oz) - I should look for one of the University sources here and add that as well. Another thought - you are not starting ntpd with extra args (especiallly the -x one)? BillK Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Scanners! Help!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm using mdk8.1 and I have a Microtek SlimScan C3, which is supported by sane (microtek2). Sane needs ppscsi and onscsi modules for this scanner. I don't have them on my sustem. Plain question: Do I have to re-compile my kernel to have these modules? I also need these modules but they are not in the stock mandrake kernel. They are in the todo list of the mandrake kernel maintatiner, but as of cooker 2 days ago they still had not been included. I also have had no success building a kernel with the patch, make modules always fails since mandrake 8.0 and kgcc doesnt seem to work at all. If anyone has binary versions of these linked against a stock 8.1 kernel could they possibly post them. - -- Tom Tomahawk Badran Department of Computing, Imperial College - --- PGP Key available from certserver.pgp.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8CrOmXCpWOla2mCcRAt9AAJ0TSbvNMkAlntzDJApTg+bPa510dgCgh4Lq /wH0s8mQdB9lFTUkzWP/VGM= =Mfn3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Slow
I think it is safe to suggest that anyone having a :slow boot up, to first try and set as many services to off at boot as posible. like does the boot up to run level 1 take that long? On Sunday 02 December 2001 12:14, you wrote: I would expect the problem might also be with some server (ie.; named, ypbind routed) looking for something on a network that is mis-configured Hmm. One poster said that the boot time from LILO to login: was 45 minutes when he upgraded to 384 megs recently. I don't remember the details, but it makes me wonder if the boot sequence hung for a period of time just as you describe (one install I did hung for a few minutes looking for a nonexistent UPS). Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] kernel-2.4.16 (was 'printing')
On Sunday 02 December 2001 04:36 pm, richard wrote: Hi Tom I've downloaded 2.4.26 from cooker,, where are the kernel headers for this, and the mdk souce On Sun, 2001-12-02 at 17:09, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Sunday 02 December 2001 10:04 am, richard wrote: if not whats the safest known 2.4.15 or 2.4.14 kernel version ?, thats on the cooker at the moment ? kernel-2.4.16.1mdk-1-1mdk seems fine here. I see alot of posts on the Mandrake newsgroup with the same good experience, no negative ones. kernel-source just isn't on the mirrors, and I don't know when it will be, if ever. If you need the source it's probly included in kernel-2.4.16-1-1mdk.src.rpm. kernel-headers is no more, headers are now to be included in glibc from the discussion on the cooker list. If you install 2.4.16, you'll probly need to upgrade iptables, setup, and initscripts to the latest cooker also. If you use lm_sensors, lm_utils is no longer needed, but lm_sensors-2.6.2 now includes 'sensors-detect' and all that's need for hardware monitoring. -- Tom Brinkman Galveston Bay, USA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] kernel question and samba question..
Hi all, First of all, I have heard people speak of a 2.4.24 kernel,, I have not seen this.. I looked on the planetmirror cooker site, and the newest was 2.4.13-something... any idea where I would find this kernel? (I'm actually trying to find a kernel that supports the KT266A chipset... so if anyone knows an easy way to find out,, I'd love to hear it. Secondly, I have sama setup to share the cdrom and floppy on my server to the workstations (winblows).. unfortunatly, without supermount, (or a working alternative) I have to mount the drives every time someone whats to use the floppy or CDROM,, so I am hoping someone knows of a way to get this up and running,, I will put any new kernel on if it helps...(it has 2.4.13-11 right now...) Anyone got any suggestions??? Kinest regards Frank Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] NTP -- driving me crazy!
I have had some problems with ntp not working as well, while xntp3 worked perfectly. One thing I found (from trawling through the docs) was that adding a 3 on the line after the server line can help. This is telling the ntp4 client that the server is ntp3. I am still having a few other issues, but this did fix it in a number of cases. Brian Schroeder From: Charlie Bebber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] NTP -- driving me crazy! Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 03:21:09 -0800 (PST) bascule said: the ntp stuff in lm now is the ntp4 release whereas xntpd uses ntp3 (4 should be backwards compatible with 3), in normal usage the only difference is that, as bill says, you need to have /etc/init.d./ntpd running and not as before, /xntpd, to all usual intents and purposes, a rename, clients running xntpd have no problem syncing with a server running ntpd and vice versa Interesting. I don't know what it is then, but xntp3 works and ntp doesn't. So running ntp will keep running ntpdate every so often to keep synced with the server listed in /etc/ntp.conf? From what I've read, with ntp, you have to now have to have ntpdate in a cronjob. IMHO, that should be the default behaviour. Cheers, -Charlie bascule On Sunday 02 Dec 2001 7:40 am, you wrote: I just went back and installed xntp3 on the server and life is good. I have no idea why xntp3 stopped being bundled and was replaced with, what IMHO, is an inferior ntp package. Can anyone shed some light on this? -- GPG Key fingerprint = 4F36 EC4F 2F2C 5F59 9690 09E5 4C0F 9DB0 8623 53CE Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap!
From: Irwan Setia Hi Arnab, Thank you very much for your tip, now I can access my floppy smoothly. I have another problem. I run Lotus Notes on wine and I can not print using lotus notes, because there is no printer detected on lotus notes. Thanks Arnab_Ganguly [EMAIL PROTECTED]@linux-mandrake.com on 29/11/2001 17:24:05 Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Hugo Ferreira' [EMAIL PROTECTED], '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: RE: [expert] 8.1 Piece of Crap! Hi Hugo, I can confirm 1) 2) and 4) below. I had no problems with the sound card and I personally feel that (1) and (4) are serious errors that were overlooked by the release team/ testers, while 2 is extremely irritating. See my posts subject Solution -- MDK 8.1 CD FLOPPY cannot be mounted for seeing the ridiculous amount of work that I had to put because the Mandrake release team decided on all sorts of experimental stuff in their 2.4.8 kernel. Somewhat advanced users can solve these problems, but for newbies and others who are not technically inclined, these are definitely dead end problems and will serve to further the image Linux has as a programmers' Operating System. Arnab Can anyone confirm/deny these problems: 1. Creating boot floppies generates empty initrd.img. 2. DMA time-outs on prevouslly working Chipsets/drives. 3. Sound card correctly detected but not working. 4. Access to CD not correctly set-up (permissions and). 5. Using command line configuration, KDE configuration and/or Mdk's configuration seems to wreak havoc on the system. TIA. Hugo. ** This email (including any attachments) is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient/s and may contain material that is CONFIDENTIAL AND PRIVATE COMPANY INFORMATION. Any review or reliance by others or copying or distribution or forwarding of any or all of the contents in this message is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by email and delete all copies; your cooperation in this regard is appreciated. ** Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] replacing kdm with xdm
On Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:44:14 +0100 Oscar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: El Dom 02 Dic 2001 16:19, escribió: Hey folks, re the subject, I've tried replacing the line in /etc/inittab so that it tries to respawn /usr/X11R6/bin/xdm but it still starts kdm. I also tried renaming kdm and symlinking to xdm, it still starts kdm! Can anyone give me a tip on how to get xdm going instead of kdm? TIA, Bill DESKTOP=KDE Edit /etc/sysconfig/desktop (if not exist create it) And now put *one* of this lines (the first is for kdm, the second is for gdm, the third is for xdm): DESKTOP=KDE DESKTOP=GNOME DESKTOP=AnotherLevel Then, for xdm the line must be: DESKTOP=AnotherLevel Depending of your installed version, you can need put simply AnotherLevel in place of DESKTOP=AnotherLevel (this is inconsistent between LM versions). Salu2 óscar. Thanks Oscar, worked great! -- -- Reichel's Law: A body on vacation tends to remain on vacation unless acted upon by an outside force. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] LM 8.1-network-unreachable-addenda
On Friday 30 November 2001 03:33 pm, William Bouterse wrote: civileme wrote; What IRQ is it on? Sorry I forgot to add this to the last post. Interrupt:5 Base address:0x240 what else is on IRQ5? Sound Blaster perhaps? OK let's look at this another way. If the configs are the same at source machines, what is different at the firewall? Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Please I need help
As convenient as urpmi and rpmdrake can be sometimes, I have had better experiences just using another browser (even a text one) going to mozilla.org and getting the latest version from there. After installation, it doesn't matter whether it came from Mandrake or not, and Mozilla is fairly easy to install. -Paul Rodríguez On Sun, 2001-12-02 at 11:57, Søren Neigaard wrote: Damn... I tried it all, and nothing works. The Software Manager fails during install of Mozilla. What are my options now? /Søren On Fri, 2001-11-30 at 02:45, Joseph Braddock wrote: When you reinstalled mozilla, did you use the release that was on your Mandrake CDs? If not, urpme mozilla (which should also remove galeon). Then install galeon through the software manager and let it install the the mozilla there, too. If that is what you already did, then after uninstalling and before installing, remove the hidden mozilla directories in your home directory and see if that works. Joe On Wednesday 28 November 2001 12:46 pm, you wrote: Should have tried the hammer first, now nothing works :) urpme mozilla went fine, it also removed galeon (dependencies). I then used Mandrake Software Manager to install galeon which depended on mozilla so it tried to install mozilla first - it failed and now I have nothing but Lynx :( Where to go from here? /Søren On Wed, 2001-11-28 at 17:43, Hoyt Duff wrote: On Wednesday 28 November 2001 11:30, you wrote: Ok - how do I uninstall Mozilla? I'm pretty much a newbie at this. Fisrt, get a large hammer . . . No, that's not right. # urpme mozilla should do it Hoyt =_1006965807-31033-20 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com =_1007084584-31033-386 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] 8.1: hand calculator?
Where is the hand calculator for Mandrake 8.1? I'm using KDE. Both kcalc and xcalc (which I used to use in earlier versions of Mandrake) are missing. Moreover, although I got a copy of kcalc from the web, when I attempted to install it there was a conflict between a library it needed and the Mandrake 8.1 installed /usr/lib/libmng.so.1. Any hints? Surely I shouldn't need to start a spreadsheet to get a simple calculator. - Jerry Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 8.1: hand calculator?
Jerry: Strange. In my stock 8.0 install (w/ KDE), KCalc is under Applications = Sciences = Mathematics = Calculator. Could this be one of this things that doesn't get installed unless it's specifically chosen? -- cmg On Monday 03 December 2001 12:55 am, Jerry L. Kazdan wrote: Where is the hand calculator for Mandrake 8.1? I'm using KDE. Both kcalc and xcalc (which I used to use in earlier versions of Mandrake) are missing. Moreover, although I got a copy of kcalc from the web, when I attempted to install it there was a conflict between a library it needed and the Mandrake 8.1 installed /usr/lib/libmng.so.1. Any hints? Surely I shouldn't need to start a spreadsheet to get a simple calculator. - Jerry Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 8.1: hand calculator?
So sprach »Jerry L. Kazdan« am 2001-12-03 um 00:55:37 -0500 : Where is the hand calculator for Mandrake 8.1? hand calculator? Uh? What's that? I'm using KDE. Both kcalc and xcalc (which I used to use in earlier versions of Mandrake) are missing. urpmf kcalc - kdeutils urpmf xcalc - X11R6-contrib Alexander Skwar -- Wohnung in Gelsenkirchen und Umgebung gesucht! iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 9 days 23 hours 38 minutes Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] 8.1: hand calculator?
Of course, if you don't need a GUI calculator, 'bc' should always be
available from the shell prompt ('bc -l' for floating point calculations,
'man bc' for the gory details).
enjoy,
Rony
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Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 7:56 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [expert] 8.1: hand calculator?
Where is the hand calculator for Mandrake 8.1?
I'm using KDE. Both kcalc and xcalc (which I used to use in earlier
versions of Mandrake) are missing.
Moreover, although I got a copy of kcalc from the web, when I attempted to
install it there was a conflict between a library it needed and the
Mandrake 8.1 installed /usr/lib/libmng.so.1.
Any hints?
Surely I shouldn't need to start a spreadsheet to get a simple
calculator.
- Jerry
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