[expert] Digital camera: fstab changes

2002-12-22 Thread Francisco Alcaraz Ariza
Following with the FinePix S602 Zoom and Mandrake 9.0, I have added the next 
line to fstab:
/dev/sda1 /mnt/camera auto user,noauto,nosuid 0 0

after do "mount -a", now I have added a new hd mount icon for /dev/sda1 and 
anyuser can mount the /mnt/camera, look the pictures and copy, erase them.

Is fantastic!

Merry Christmas to everybody!


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[expert] Digital camera: fstab changes success!

2002-12-22 Thread Francisco Alcaraz Ariza
Following with the FinePix S602 Zoom and Mandrake 9.0, I have added the next 
line to fstab:
/dev/sda1 /mnt/camera auto user,noauto,nosuid 0 0

after do "mount -a", and later have added a new hd mount icon for /dev/sda1 
and 
anyuser can mount the /mnt/camera, look the pictures and copy, erase them.

Is fantastic!

Merry Christmas to everybody!

-- 
Francisco Alcaraz Ariza
Departamento de Biología Vegetal
Universidad de Murcia
E-30100 Murcia
España (Spain)


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Re: [expert] Software Manager Sucks

2002-12-22 Thread David Robertson
On Sat, 2002-12-21 at 23:15, Philip Webb wrote:
> 021221 John Wilson wrote:

> > The installation manager keeps telling me
> > that uninstalled packages are already installed.
> 
> you have to do something like 'urpmi-update' or '-rebuild'.

That never worked for me, nor did rebuilding the rpm database, which was
another suggestion. Having had a bit of a mental breakdown the other
day, out of sheer frustration, following which I posted a bit of a rant
(apologies for that, everyone) I solved the problem by doing a really
minimal reinstall, removing the CD installation sources from Software
Manager, and then replacing them with a variety of sources configured
from http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/urpmiweb.php ( a great utility, in my
opinion). I then installed the latest versions of everything I wanted.
Things have been fine since - and I've even now got mplayer installed,
which started this whole thing off for me.

David




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Re: [expert] Display Manager has gone south

2002-12-22 Thread Mark Weaver
James Sparenberg wrote:

Mark

  Getting this information might help you or us in troubleshooting the
problem. 

1.  what dm do you use kdm or gdm (kde or gnome) or somthing completely
different.
2.  as root cd to /var/log/ then do 

	tail -f XFree86.0.log (yours might be 1 or 2 but for most is 0.)

Then put a bunch of ++ or some other symbol across the screen (to
mark what's new vs old) and try to start an x session using startx . 
Enclose this output and about the last 20 lines of what startx spits out
when it dies.  Also look at the last few lines of /var/log/messages to
see if it has any info.

My guess to the problem is.

1.  It forgot what kind of mouse you have.
2.  xfs (X font server) isn't running, or is dieing immediately.
3.  /tmp might have lost a couple of files and this really messes things
up.
4. The linux gods have decided to keep you busy over the holidays *grin*


James

Awesome James... As soon as I've got all these goodies I'll post back to 
the list. Thanks! :)

Mark



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[expert] Installation Problem

2002-12-22 Thread Laurent Mesuré
Hi,

when i try to install Mandrake 9.0 on a IBM Thinkpad 390X with a 20 Gb
hard drive i get the following error messages:

Hda:hda: timeout waiting for DMA
ide_dmaproc: chipset supported ide_dma_timeout func only: 14
hda: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }
hda: drive not ready for command
hda: lost interrupt

I'vbe tried the expert mode doing:

F1 on splash boot screen of the disk 1
then typing :

expert nodma

But i m not sure to use the right syntax for it

could someone tell me more?

Laurent Mesuré



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Re: [expert] Display Manager has gone south

2002-12-22 Thread Mark Weaver
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Mark Weaver wrote:
| James Sparenberg wrote:
|
|> Mark
|>
|>   Getting this information might help you or us in troubleshooting the
|> problem.
|> 1.  what dm do you use kdm or gdm (kde or gnome) or somthing completely
|> different.
|> 2.  as root cd to /var/log/ then do
|> tail -f XFree86.0.log (yours might be 1 or 2 but for most is 0.)
|>
|> Then put a bunch of ++ or some other symbol across the screen (to
|> mark what's new vs old) and try to start an x session using startx .
|> Enclose this output and about the last 20 lines of what startx spits out
|> when it dies.  Also look at the last few lines of /var/log/messages to
|> see if it has any info.
|>
|> My guess to the problem is.
|>
|> 1.  It forgot what kind of mouse you have.
|> 2.  xfs (X font server) isn't running, or is dieing immediately.
|> 3.  /tmp might have lost a couple of files and this really messes things
|> up.
|> 4. The linux gods have decided to keep you busy over the holidays *grin*
|>
|>
|> James
|
|
| Awesome James... As soon as I've got all these goodies I'll post back to
| the list. Thanks! :)
|
| Mark

James,

I figured it out. Thanks for the good tips. You got me looking in the
right direction. I had forgotten that the other I had started doing
updates with the update manager and had to kill the process. some of
those packages were kde packages and kde got hosed. Along with most of
the file ownership of my home dir.

Once I got KDE fixed the rest was a snap. All is well with the world
again and I *won't* be spending the holidays Mandrakeless or scurrying
about my system with a silly clueless look on my mug tryin to figure out
why its broken. :)

Mark

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Re: [expert] 56K dialup problems... Solved!

2002-12-22 Thread Marcio Cordero
It's done!!!
OK, tried disabling the firewall and that's what I got:
ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted. 
So I checked in groups.google and that was some hint the machine and it's
gateway are in different subnets. I should either make sure they are in the
same subnet or enable ip forwarding. And with your hint to enabling ip
forwarding in /etc/sysconfig/network plus the GATEWAYDEV=ppp0 now everything is
working!
Thanks a lot to all. I haven't used dial-up modems for quite a few years and
my parents were almost losing trust in me as the modem didn't work out of
the box.
Thanks again.
Marcio Cordero

> On Saturday 21 December 2002 09:29 am, you wrote:
> > Hi everybody,
> > I have a problem with my dial-up modem. It's just a plain old 56k modem
> > I've been using in a computer I had before with MDK 8.0 - 8.2. Since I
> > bought this new machine and installed MDK 9.0 for the first time, I am
> not
> > able to ping anything, not even my provider's nameserver or remote
> server.
> > I get a connection, yes, and that seems to work like it always has but
> > that's all. If I ping I domain I get ping: unknown host www and if I
> > ping an IP address I just get timeouts.
> > I checked and I don't have any default route with 0.0.0.0. I also don't
> > have GATEWAY entry in /etc/sysconfig/network and I put GATEWAY=ppp0 just
> to
> > make sure it's correct. There's no network card to blame on setting a
> > default route. Tried the most obvious options in /etc/ppp/options like
> > defaultroute and noipdefault. All to no avail. I wouldn't be upset if it
> > wasn't that it has always worked with MDK 8.2 and it still works under
> > Win98 (dual boot). Any help would be GREATLY appreciated :-)
> > TIA,
> > Marcio Cordero
> 
> Marcio - I have a network card and an external modem - I always have to go
> 
> into /etc/sysconfig/network and change a few things. Mine looks like this:
> 
> NETWORKING=yes
> FORWARD_IPV4=true
> HOSTNAME=darkforce.com
> DOMAINNAME=com
> GATEWAY=
> GATEWAYDEV=ppp0
> 
> 
> I hope this helps ya :-)
> 
> -- 
> 
>/\
>Dark< >Lord
>\/
> 
> 

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Re: [expert] Software Manager Sucks

2002-12-22 Thread Praedor Atrebates
Ah, with it now too late ya'll have made me regret buying MDK 9.0.  I bought 
it when it was first released but quickly cancelled the order when the list 
of problems began quickly stacking up.  Then with some of the difficulties I 
was having with a few items (mainly kde 3.0.x) on 8.2, I was convinced to go 
ahead and go to 9.0 but to upgrade immediately to a Cooker kernel to avoid 
the 2.3.19 problems (supermount, usb).  I have since learned that the Cooker 
kernels have new problems of their (particularly, it seems, with regards to 
usb and the atmel wireless driver).  Then there are these problems with the 
software manager.

So much to look forward to (not).  I get saddled with 9.0 on Monday (when the 
package will arrive).  Has anyone looked into the possibility of 
forward-porting 8.2 stuff into 9.0?  That is, eliminating the 9.0 software 
manager and compiling/installing the 8.2 software manager in its stead?  As 
it is, with the Cooker kernel problems I am looking at having to build/use 
the 8.2 kernel to ensure my wireless device works as well as supermount.

praedor

On Sunday 22 December 2002 06:39 am, David Robertson wrote:
> On Sat, 2002-12-21 at 23:15, Philip Webb wrote:
> > 021221 John Wilson wrote:
> > > The installation manager keeps telling me
> > > that uninstalled packages are already installed.
> >
> > you have to do something like 'urpmi-update' or '-rebuild'.
>
> That never worked for me, nor did rebuilding the rpm database, which was
> another suggestion. Having had a bit of a mental breakdown the other
> day, out of sheer frustration, following which I posted a bit of a rant
> (apologies for that, everyone) I solved the problem by doing a really
> minimal reinstall, removing the CD installation sources from Software
> Manager, and then replacing them with a variety of sources configured
> from http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/urpmiweb.php ( a great utility, in my
> opinion). I then installed the latest versions of everything I wanted.
> Things have been fine since - and I've even now got mplayer installed,
> which started this whole thing off for me.
>
> David


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Re: [expert] Software Manager Sucks

2002-12-22 Thread H.J.Bathoorn
On Sunday 22 December 2002 17:53, Praedor Atrebates wrote:
> Ah, with it now too late ya'll have made me regret buying MDK 9.0.  I
> bought it when it was first released but quickly cancelled the order when
> the list of problems began quickly stacking up.  Then with some of the
> difficulties I was having with a few items (mainly kde 3.0.x) on 8.2, I was
> convinced to go ahead and go to 9.0 but to upgrade immediately to a Cooker
> kernel to avoid the 2.3.19 problems (supermount, usb).  I have since
> learned that the Cooker kernels have new problems of their (particularly,
> it seems, with regards to usb and the atmel wireless driver).  Then there
> are these problems with the software manager.
>
> So much to look forward to (not).  I get saddled with 9.0 on Monday (when
> the package will arrive).  Has anyone looked into the possibility of
> forward-porting 8.2 stuff into 9.0?  That is, eliminating the 9.0 software
> manager and compiling/installing the 8.2 software manager in its stead?  As
> it is, with the Cooker kernel problems I am looking at having to build/use
> the 8.2 kernel to ensure my wireless device works as well as supermount.
>
> praedor
>
>
7.2 and 8.2 were excellent distributions I can only agree. The x.0 versions 
are the ones to be wary of.
Considering the troubles I personally had with 7.0 and 8.0 and the ease of 9.0 
(the first x.0 version that didn't leave me pining for the previous version) 
I just can't wait to see what 9.2 will be like. Should be sheer heaven!;o)

So maybe you should just wait for x.2 versions (i.e if you can't take the 
heat.!) if you don't want to take any chances.

Good luck,
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Re: [expert] Installation Problem

2002-12-22 Thread Rolf Pedersen
Laurent Mesuré wrote:

Hi,

when i try to install Mandrake 9.0 on a IBM Thinkpad 390X with a 20 Gb
hard drive i get the following error messages:

Hda:hda: timeout waiting for DMA
ide_dmaproc: chipset supported ide_dma_timeout func only: 14
hda: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }
hda: drive not ready for command
hda: lost interrupt

I'vbe tried the expert mode doing:

F1 on splash boot screen of the disk 1
then typing :

expert nodma

But i m not sure to use the right syntax for it

could someone tell me more?

Laurent Mesuré



Type linux first

linux expert ide=nodma

for example.




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Re: [expert] Display Manager has gone south

2002-12-22 Thread James Sparenberg
Just don't tell my wife I did something useful  She'll never believe
it *grin* Glad it worked.  

James


On Sun, 2002-12-22 at 05:05, Mark Weaver wrote:
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> 
> Mark Weaver wrote:
> | James Sparenberg wrote:
> |
> |> Mark
> |>
> |>   Getting this information might help you or us in troubleshooting the
> |> problem.
> |> 1.  what dm do you use kdm or gdm (kde or gnome) or somthing completely
> |> different.
> |> 2.  as root cd to /var/log/ then do
> |> tail -f XFree86.0.log (yours might be 1 or 2 but for most is 0.)
> |>
> |> Then put a bunch of ++ or some other symbol across the screen (to
> |> mark what's new vs old) and try to start an x session using startx .
> |> Enclose this output and about the last 20 lines of what startx spits out
> |> when it dies.  Also look at the last few lines of /var/log/messages to
> |> see if it has any info.
> |>
> |> My guess to the problem is.
> |>
> |> 1.  It forgot what kind of mouse you have.
> |> 2.  xfs (X font server) isn't running, or is dieing immediately.
> |> 3.  /tmp might have lost a couple of files and this really messes things
> |> up.
> |> 4. The linux gods have decided to keep you busy over the holidays *grin*
> |>
> |>
> |> James
> |
> |
> | Awesome James... As soon as I've got all these goodies I'll post back to
> | the list. Thanks! :)
> |
> | Mark
> 
> James,
> 
> I figured it out. Thanks for the good tips. You got me looking in the
> right direction. I had forgotten that the other I had started doing
> updates with the update manager and had to kill the process. some of
> those packages were kde packages and kde got hosed. Along with most of
> the file ownership of my home dir.
> 
> Once I got KDE fixed the rest was a snap. All is well with the world
> again and I *won't* be spending the holidays Mandrakeless or scurrying
> about my system with a silly clueless look on my mug tryin to figure out
> why its broken. :)
> 
> Mark
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> 
> 
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Re: [expert] Display Manager has gone south

2002-12-22 Thread Mark Weaver
James Sparenberg wrote:

Just don't tell my wife I did something useful  She'll never believe
it *grin* Glad it worked.  

James

not to worry my friend...your secret is safe with me. I can totally 
relate! ;)

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Re: [expert] Display Manager has gone south

2002-12-22 Thread Jack Coates
Well, it's only useful within the realm of those computer things which
are inherently non-useful, so the paradigm is safe :-)

Though mine's been quieter since I pointed out that our friend the
construction contractor is a house hacker instead of a computer hacker,
and his wife has to deal with holes in the floors and walls, power and
plumbing that might not work from day to day, near-continuous painting
projects... :-)

On Sun, 2002-12-22 at 09:39, James Sparenberg wrote:
> Just don't tell my wife I did something useful  She'll never believe
> it *grin* Glad it worked.  
> 
> James
> 
> 
> On Sun, 2002-12-22 at 05:05, Mark Weaver wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> > 
> > Mark Weaver wrote:
> > | James Sparenberg wrote:
> > |
> > |> Mark
> > |>
> > |>   Getting this information might help you or us in troubleshooting the
> > |> problem.
> > |> 1.  what dm do you use kdm or gdm (kde or gnome) or somthing completely
> > |> different.
> > |> 2.  as root cd to /var/log/ then do
> > |> tail -f XFree86.0.log (yours might be 1 or 2 but for most is 0.)
> > |>
> > |> Then put a bunch of ++ or some other symbol across the screen (to
> > |> mark what's new vs old) and try to start an x session using startx .
> > |> Enclose this output and about the last 20 lines of what startx spits out
> > |> when it dies.  Also look at the last few lines of /var/log/messages to
> > |> see if it has any info.
> > |>
> > |> My guess to the problem is.
> > |>
> > |> 1.  It forgot what kind of mouse you have.
> > |> 2.  xfs (X font server) isn't running, or is dieing immediately.
> > |> 3.  /tmp might have lost a couple of files and this really messes things
> > |> up.
> > |> 4. The linux gods have decided to keep you busy over the holidays *grin*
> > |>
> > |>
> > |> James
> > |
> > |
> > | Awesome James... As soon as I've got all these goodies I'll post back to
> > | the list. Thanks! :)
> > |
> > | Mark
> > 
> > James,
> > 
> > I figured it out. Thanks for the good tips. You got me looking in the
> > right direction. I had forgotten that the other I had started doing
> > updates with the update manager and had to kill the process. some of
> > those packages were kde packages and kde got hosed. Along with most of
> > the file ownership of my home dir.
> > 
> > Once I got KDE fixed the rest was a snap. All is well with the world
> > again and I *won't* be spending the holidays Mandrakeless or scurrying
> > about my system with a silly clueless look on my mug tryin to figure out
> > why its broken. :)
> > 
> > Mark
> > 
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> > 
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> 
> 
> 

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RE: [expert] users with same permissions as root

2002-12-22 Thread Brian York
If you make all the root passwords on every machine (17 linux machines) you
are asking for more trouble than  my way because if an unauthorized user
gets the root password then they can shut down everthing. Were I work we
have 83 machines (linux, VMS, windows) the root/administrator password is
different for each and VNC password is different. Brush up on your security
before you start telling people that they are asking for troble.

And another thing I don't know what you affiliation with linux is and how
you use it but when you login to a server it is for superuser type
activities any way. Its not you typical browse around to see whats on it or
experiment with "new commands". 

Brian

-Original Message-
From: John McQuillen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 8:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [expert] users with same permissions as root

On Sat, 2002-12-14 at 07:15, Brian York wrote:
> Why would that be the best solution. Why is the difference? 
> 
> The deal is is they will be able to login to all the RedHat servers with
> their usernames and won't have to remember the root password for each one.

Sure, they should always log on with their usernames, but they shouldn't
have root privileges unless they su to root.

Normal user accounts don't have root privs for a very good reason. You
shouldn't even trust yourself with root privs on your user account. If
your admins can't remember the root password, they shouldn't be
administering the system, IMHO...

Make the root password for all the systems the same, rather than upping
unprivileged accounts to superuser status. You are just asking for
trouble, IMNSHO.

Regards,

John...



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[expert] draksound

2002-12-22 Thread Serge
Hi

I have a SB Live 5.1 value.
During the install , the driver chosen was the alsa driver.
Because of the bad quality of the driver, i changed to the OSS driver.
First it went ok, had all my channels working except the center one.
Then wanted to try again the alsa driver, everything went OK [driver, 
restarting alsa and mixer settings], but i had no sound at all! Opened 
everything with alsamixer but still had no sound. Then i came back to OSS 
with emu10k1 , or even audigy , i got only 2 channels working.

Please help!! what can i do else to get my sound card works correctly??

Thanx

Serge


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Re: [expert] Which Wine?

2002-12-22 Thread Olaf Marzocchi
Thanks, I will download it immediately.
Just to know, I heard that not every wine release is equally stable. Could 
someone confirm this and suggest a way to know which one is stable 
(compared to others: wine is in development status).

Thanks again
Olaf

At 06.03 22/12/2002, you wrote:
Olaf Marzocchi wrote:

The win2k partition has just been formatted as ext2.
Now I need wine to execute some apps. Should I use the mdk9 stock wine 
(20020810: pretty old, considering the project activity), download the 
latest wine (but are all the releases equally stable? I heard not), look 
on cooker, take a prebuilt rpm for mdk8 or use the precompiled 
codeweavers-wine? or whatever else?
Just another question: how much faster will be a i686 compiled app 
compared to an i586 one? I have a celeron 400.
What about a p4 against an i586?
Thank you very much.
Olaf

Olaf,

Get the CodeWeavers wine packages. They'll work quite well for you.
http://www.codeweavers.com/technology/wine/download.php

Mark



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Re: [expert] Software Manager Sucks

2002-12-22 Thread Philip Webb
021222 Praedor Atrebates wrote:
> Ah, with it now too late ya'll have made me regret buying MDK 9.0.
-- details snipped --

i've been happily running an upgrade 8.2 -> 9.0rc1 since September.
certainly, 8.0 was awful (very bad KDE) & 8.2 quite good,
but there's no reason to avoid 9.0 ,
tho' you might want to try a few things from Cooker.

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Re: [expert] compiling kernel with acpi and w/o apic

2002-12-22 Thread Todd Lyons
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Sascha Noyes wrote on Tue, Dec 17, 2002 at 06:06:09PM -0500 :
> >
> > Do you make mrproper as the first step?  Move .config out of the way if
> > you want to use it or use /boot/config but mrproper should be the first
> > step.
> Sorry but I have no idea what 'make mrproper' is. Do you mean use it before 
> 'make xconfig'? 

He did a great job of explaining it, let me give you a little bit more
to explain _why_ Mandrake requires this.  From
/usr/share/doc/kernel-2.4.20.2mdk-1/README.Mandrake:



 Mandrake Kernel Compile Special Instructions



Due to the way that Mandrake generates multiple versions of the kernel
(uniprocessor, smp, enterprise, boot, secure), recompiling the kernel
from the kernel source installed in /usr/src/linux *MUST* be preceded 
by one step:

make mrproper

This is roughly equivalent to "make distclean", but not quite.  The
best explanation of why this scenario exists appeared in the Cooker
Mailing List by Andrej Borsenkow:

PLEASE do not forget - you must not need to configure your kernel 
before you compile EXTERNAL module (as example, nVidia). PLEASE 
remember that Mandrake has 5 (five!) kernel flavours and you can 
compile external modules for any of them WITHOUT RECONFIGURATION 
IN BETWEEN. PLEASE look into this "regenrated files" in clean 
kernel-source and after you have reconfigured your kernel.

To summarize, the kernel source tree is left in a state such that you 
compile custom kernel modules for any of the five versions of the
kernel without having to do anything special.  One of the side effects
of this is that if you want to start a compile from scratch, you must
remove various configuration files (as well as object files and 
binaries).  To do this, you *MUST* do the "make mrproper" first.

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Re: [expert] compiling kernel with acpi and w/o apic

2002-12-22 Thread Todd Lyons
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Ronald J. Hall wrote on Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 01:38:40AM -0500 :
> 
> Guys, I'm not using a laptop but I'm having serious problems with 9.0 on my 
> desktop. It installs great, but will only bootup or shutdown correctly after 
> numerous attempts. I passed "noapci" thru /etc/lilo.conf like this:

> but still, when I do successfully bootup, I get this in dmesg:
> Local APIC disabled by BIOS -- reenabling.
> Found and enabled local APIC!
> So whats up with that? Seems I can't disable apic - and yes, I did rerun 
> /sbin/lilo as root, after making changes.

He's disabling acpi (power management), you're quoting messages about
apic (interrupt controller).  Two totally different things.  It's a
shame the acronyms are so damn close to each other :-/

> When/if the normal bootup fails, I can usually get a complete bootup by using 
> the nonfb choice. What is there about that choice that lets it bootup (when 
> apci is *not* disabled there!)?

Something to do with video.  Try going into nonfb, but pass vga=xxx
where xxx is some number between 791 and 798 to get various graphical
modes (ie more than 24 lines of text).

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Re: [expert] Software Manager Sucks But V9.0 otherwise working fine (so far).

2002-12-22 Thread John Wilson
On Sunday 22 December 2002 08:53 am, Praedor Atrebates wrote:
> Ah, with it now too late ya'll have made me regret buying MDK 9.0.  I
> bought it when it was first released but quickly cancelled the order when
> the list of problems began quickly stacking up.  Then with some of the
> difficulties I was having with a few items (mainly kde 3.0.x) on 8.2, I was
> convinced to go ahead and go to 9.0 but to upgrade immediately to a Cooker
> kernel to avoid the 2.3.19 problems (supermount, usb).  I have since
> learned that the Cooker kernels have new problems of their (particularly,
> it seems, with regards to usb and the atmel wireless driver).  Then there
> are these problems with the software manager.
>
> So much to look forward to (not).  I get saddled with 9.0 on Monday (when
> the package will arrive).  Has anyone looked into the possibility of
> forward-porting 8.2 stuff into 9.0?  That is, eliminating the 9.0 software
> manager and compiling/installing the 8.2 software manager in its stead?  As
> it is, with the Cooker kernel problems I am looking at having to build/use
> the 8.2 kernel to ensure my wireless device works as well as supermount.
>
> praedor

Goodness, I hope not. :)

The only problem so far has been with urpmi and Software Manager, important 
though that is. 

This distro is the first that flawlessly installed my sound card properly (I 
didn't have to spend half the day getting noise from the speakers), found the 
right printer instead of the printer family (HP Deskjet 695C instead of HP 
Deskject 690 family) and actually set up the ISP without a whole lot of 
bother.

I agree that 8.2 and 7.2 were virtually flawless and I expect that 9.2 will be 
wonderful too.  But for most of my uses so far it's a dream.

Now if I could only figure out what a M$ "security" patch did that has blown 
that machine out of the water so that it won't connect to Samba or the 
Internet.  But I'll save that for another thread.

Thaniks everyone. :)

ttfn

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Re: [expert] Can't find my D: and E: ANOTHER THING

2002-12-22 Thread Jim C
Oh, no.  What I was saying was that due to the fact that I can get 
access anywere becuase of sftp etc. that I have no use for one.  As a 
consequence I've not acquired one and therefore haven't had much 
opportunity to learn about them.  Any standard laptop should be *able* 
to use the protocols in question however.

Gonzalo Avaria wrote:
Hi guys, well i was reading the answer that jim wrote and noted that you say 
that a laptop don't connect with sftp??? i don't have a laptop but will need 
one, because i'm going to do a Ph. D. outside and i'm going to buy a laptop 
because i cannot take mi box with me. 
So i need to know if there is oinly one model or are all laptop the same???
thanks 4 your time.
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RE: [expert] can anyone advise on Prism 2.5 based PCI card configuration?

2002-12-22 Thread Mcleod, Ian
Thanks


I will try that!!

-Original Message-
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To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Re: [expert] can anyone advise on Prism 2.5 based PCI card
configuration?


Mcleod, Ian ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Running Mandrake 9.0
> 
> any pointers on getting a Dlink MA311 Prism 2.5 PCI based card working
under
> Mandrake?
> 
> No luck yet - hardware list displays the card - but nothing beyond that..
> 

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mcc &
configure your network through the wizard, don't worry about specifics
iwconfig 
iwconfig eth1 essid linksys  *sub your eth number & replace linksys
with whatever

you should be up

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RE: [expert] users with same permissions as root

2002-12-22 Thread John McQuillen
On Mon, 2002-12-23 at 05:47, Brian York wrote:
> If you make all the root passwords on every machine (17 linux machines) you
> are asking for more trouble than  my way because if an unauthorized user
> gets the root password then they can shut down everthing. Were I work we
> have 83 machines (linux, VMS, windows) the root/administrator password is
> different for each and VNC password is different. Brush up on your security
> before you start telling people that they are asking for troble.
> 
> And another thing I don't know what you affiliation with linux is and how
> you use it but when you login to a server it is for superuser type
> activities any way. Its not you typical browse around to see whats on it or
> experiment with "new commands". 

Yeah, but under your plan, your admins won't even have an unprivileged
account to experiment with even if they wanted or needed to. The first
thing most n00bs are taught about *nix, is 'DON'T LOG ON AS ROOT', and
you're considering worse than this, you're considering logging on as a
user, with root privs.

The only reason I even suggested making all the root passwords the same
was that you were worried that your admins wouldn't be able to remember
a different password for each one. IMO this would be better at least
than just giving root privileges to your admins user accounts.

Don't tell me to brush up on my security. You are the one who seems
intent on allowing your admins to log in to your systems with root
privileges.

And by the way, I don't work day to day with linux, but I do work in a
large network operations centre and I have loads of admin passwords for
routers and switches to remember. If I can't remember the password, I
can't get on.

If you insist on giving root to your admins user accounts, go ahead.

And also by the way, you'd be asking for trouble. Don't say I didn't
tell you so.

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Re: [expert] users with same permissions as root

2002-12-22 Thread J. Craig Woods
John McQuillen wrote:


Yeah, but under your plan, your admins won't even have an unprivileged
account to experiment with even if they wanted or needed to. The first
thing most n00bs are taught about *nix, is 'DON'T LOG ON AS ROOT', and
you're considering worse than this, you're considering logging on as a
user, with root privs.

The only reason I even suggested making all the root passwords the same
was that you were worried that your admins wouldn't be able to remember
a different password for each one. IMO this would be better at least
than just giving root privileges to your admins user accounts.

Don't tell me to brush up on my security. You are the one who seems
intent on allowing your admins to log in to your systems with root
privileges.

And by the way, I don't work day to day with linux, but I do work in a
large network operations centre and I have loads of admin passwords for
routers and switches to remember. If I can't remember the password, I
can't get on.

If you insist on giving root to your admins user accounts, go ahead.

And also by the way, you'd be asking for trouble. Don't say I didn't
tell you so.

John...
 

Hey John,

How do you really feel about this?

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Re: [expert] users with same permissions as root

2002-12-22 Thread Lyvim Xaphir

LOL!

Merry Christmas, Dr J.  You too, John McQ.  ;)

--- "J. Craig Woods" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> John McQuillen wrote:
> 
> >Yeah, but under your plan, your admins won't even have an unprivileged
> >account to experiment with even if they wanted or needed to. The first
> >thing most n00bs are taught about *nix, is 'DON'T LOG ON AS ROOT', and
> >you're considering worse than this, you're considering logging on as a
> >user, with root privs.
> >
> >The only reason I even suggested making all the root passwords the same
> >was that you were worried that your admins wouldn't be able to remember
> >a different password for each one. IMO this would be better at least
> >than just giving root privileges to your admins user accounts.
> >
> >Don't tell me to brush up on my security. You are the one who seems
> >intent on allowing your admins to log in to your systems with root
> >privileges.
> >
> >And by the way, I don't work day to day with linux, but I do work in a
> >large network operations centre and I have loads of admin passwords for
> >routers and switches to remember. If I can't remember the password, I
> >can't get on.
> >
> >If you insist on giving root to your admins user accounts, go ahead.
> >
> >And also by the way, you'd be asking for trouble. Don't say I didn't
> >tell you so.
> >
> >John...
> >  
> >
> Hey John,
> 
> How do you really feel about this?
> 
> drjung
> 

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[expert] Any info on Orinoco Silver card configuration?

2002-12-22 Thread Mike Shaw
I have a Lucent Orinoco Silver card that requires the
wavelan2 driver, but harddrake sees it as a wavelan(1)
card.  I looked and only the wavelan(1) module is in
/lib/modules . . .

Anyone know if there is a separate RPM for the
wavelan2 driver or do I have to "wedge" it in?

Regards,

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Re: [expert] users with same permissions as root

2002-12-22 Thread John McQuillen
On Mon, 2002-12-23 at 11:57, J. Craig Woods wrote:

> >
> Hey John,
> 
> How do you really feel about this?
> 
> drjung
> 
CRACK UP!!!

My wife says this to me all the time - "Tell me how you really feel" :)

Sorry if I got a bit carried away... I do tend to get a bit emotional at
times.

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[expert] KDE and wine--Sound?

2002-12-22 Thread PlugHead
Anyone know how to get wine to work under KDE w/ Sound that Doesn't Suck(tm)?  

I'm using the latest WineX from transgaming, as well as regular wine, but the 
sound under KDE is lousy.  It's so full of dropout and static that it's 
unusable.

I've had this problem with other non-KDE apps, but using soundwrapper 
generally fixes the problem.  Not so w/ wine tho.  I've tried wrapping both 
the shell script and the wineserver, to no avail.

Has anyone gotten this to work?

TIA,
-Jason

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to use Carrot's happy phrase, but Vimes often had difficulty with this
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Re: [expert] Any info on Orinoco Silver card configuration?

2002-12-22 Thread Nelson Bartley
No I'm pretty sure it will work fine with the wavelan driver.

I believe at one point they were two seperate drivers but (IIRC) they
were merged when the old wavelan code was updated.

Just give it a try with the wavelan driver, if it doesn't work, try
compiling from source. I would suspect that draknet should configure it
fine though.

NB

On Sun, 2002-12-22 at 21:02, Mike Shaw wrote:
> I have a Lucent Orinoco Silver card that requires the
> wavelan2 driver, but harddrake sees it as a wavelan(1)
> card.  I looked and only the wavelan(1) module is in
> /lib/modules . . .
> 
> Anyone know if there is a separate RPM for the
> wavelan2 driver or do I have to "wedge" it in?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mike
> 
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[expert] MNF boot

2002-12-22 Thread Marek
Hi

Is there any way to install MNF without a bootloader ? Just want to boot
off floppy.


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Re: [expert] KDE and wine--Sound?

2002-12-22 Thread Lyvim Xaphir

--- PlugHead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anyone know how to get wine to work under KDE w/ Sound that Doesn't Suck(tm)?  
> 
> I'm using the latest WineX from transgaming, as well as regular wine, but the 
> sound under KDE is lousy.  It's so full of dropout and static that it's 
> unusable.
> 
> I've had this problem with other non-KDE apps, but using soundwrapper 
> generally fixes the problem.  Not so w/ wine tho.  I've tried wrapping both 
> the shell script and the wineserver, to no avail.
> 
> Has anyone gotten this to work?

What game are you trying to run?  I've got WineX 2.2.1 here, but I havent run
Diablo 2 in a while.  At least not since I upgraded.  I'm running Open Sound System
from 4front Technologies.  Guess I need to test it anyway...

Let me know about your game.
 
> TIA,
> -Jason

l8r,

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[expert] mdkupdate

2002-12-22 Thread Marek
Hi

What ports have to be open on a firewall to allow Mandrake update ? I 
also get a forbiden error with urpmi -a so looks like the firewall is 
blocking something.

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Re: [expert] mdkupdate

2002-12-22 Thread Brett Buckingham
> What ports have to be open on a firewall to allow Mandrake update ? I
> also get a forbiden error with urpmi -a so looks like the firewall is
> blocking something.

On my Mandrake 9.0 system, which uses Shorewall / iptables, nothing special 
needs to be done with the firewall to permit Mandrake update to work.  
Iptables permits outgoing connections (i.e. to Mandrake update) and 
subsequent incoming packets related to the outgoing connection request.

Check /var/log/messages for packet DENYs, or perhaps use iptables -Z; iptables 
-L -v to see the packet counts against DENY'd packets.

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Re: [expert] users with same permissions as root

2002-12-22 Thread J. Craig Woods
John McQuillen wrote:


On Mon, 2002-12-23 at 11:57, J. Craig Woods wrote:

 

Hey John,

How do you really feel about this?

drjung

   

CRACK UP!!!

My wife says this to me all the time - "Tell me how you really feel" :)

Sorry if I got a bit carried away... I do tend to get a bit emotional at
times.

Kindest regards,

John...


Sorry Todd, it may be a bit off topic but let me just say to all the 
great people on this list (and the rest of you too): may you all have a 
very Merry Christmas, and may the new year bring us great Mandrake 
distros

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RE: [expert] users with same permissions as root

2002-12-22 Thread Dianne Marie Montesa
hi all

well if i may jump into this discussion ... id like to
share alternative ways instead of giving out root
passwords...

we have several machines with several admins and we
use 'sudo' to give root priveleges to the admins. we
dont even have to know the 'root' password to do root
commands. the root password is kept by the head admin
only. (of course, you shouldnt change the root
password ;-) )

we also use SSH rsa/dsa identity on our load-balanced
web servers. on these machines, we dont need root
passwords, we just have to be able to login to one
main machine with a correct ssh identity and key. 
from there as root, you can login to all the other
machines directly just using ssh. 

well have a merry christmas and a happy new year too
to all listers! 

cheers
dianne

--- John McQuillen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 2002-12-23 at 05:47, Brian York wrote:
> > If you make all the root passwords on every
> machine (17 linux machines) you
> > are asking for more trouble than  my way because
> if an unauthorized user
> > gets the root password then they can shut down
> everthing. Were I work we
> > have 83 machines (linux, VMS, windows) the
> root/administrator password is
> > different for each and VNC password is different.
> Brush up on your security
> > before you start telling people that they are
> asking for troble.
> > 
> > And another thing I don't know what you
> affiliation with linux is and how
> > you use it but when you login to a server it is
> for superuser type
> > activities any way. Its not you typical browse
> around to see whats on it or
> > experiment with "new commands". 
> 
> Yeah, but under your plan, your admins won't even
> have an unprivileged
> account to experiment with even if they wanted or
> needed to. The first
> thing most n00bs are taught about *nix, is 'DON'T
> LOG ON AS ROOT', and
> you're considering worse than this, you're
> considering logging on as a
> user, with root privs.
> 
> The only reason I even suggested making all the root
> passwords the same
> was that you were worried that your admins wouldn't
> be able to remember
> a different password for each one. IMO this would be
> better at least
> than just giving root privileges to your admins user
> accounts.
> 
> Don't tell me to brush up on my security. You are
> the one who seems
> intent on allowing your admins to log in to your
> systems with root
> privileges.
> 
> And by the way, I don't work day to day with linux,
> but I do work in a
> large network operations centre and I have loads of
> admin passwords for
> routers and switches to remember. If I can't
> remember the password, I
> can't get on.
> 
> If you insist on giving root to your admins user
> accounts, go ahead.
> 
> And also by the way, you'd be asking for trouble.
> Don't say I didn't
> tell you so.
> 
> John...
> 
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Re: [expert] compiling kernel with acpi and w/o apic

2002-12-22 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Wednesday 18 December 2002 08:37 pm, you wrote:

> He's disabling acpi (power management), you're quoting messages about
> apic (interrupt controller).  Two totally different things.  It's a
> shame the acronyms are so damn close to each other :-/

Todd, thanks for the reply. Yes - since you read this post I was corrected on 
this point by a couple of others. 

> Something to do with video.  Try going into nonfb, but pass vga=xxx
> where xxx is some number between 791 and 798 to get various graphical
> modes (ie more than 24 lines of text).
>
> Blue skies... Todd

I've now installed 9.0 about 20 times (I kidd you not). I used the stock 
kernel and the nonfb one, passing different things like:

acpi=no
mem=nopentium
noapic

I also used these settings for video:

blank
normal
640x480
800x600

on all of the different lilo entries I was using. Sometimes, an entry would 
work just fine. You could do nothing but reboot, go back to that very same 
entry and it wouldn't work then. I can't figure out why its so erratic and 
unpredictable. It also does not want to shutdown correctly. At one point, I 
had to reboot so much with incomplete shutdowns that I lost my "/" partition 
and had to reinstall (switched to a journaling fs then ). 

I've got 3 comps here and have now installed 9.0 on 2 out of 3 with no 
problems whatsoever. They are both older then my main computer. I've got this 
gut feeling that if I stripped my main computer down to bare essentials it 
would install just fine. I've got a Linksys NIC, WinTV tuner card, Adaptec 
2930 SCSI card, SB Live, Geforce (AGP) 2, floppy, Zip, IBM HD, Toshiba SCSI 
DVD, and a Plextor SCSI CDRW. Not the barest of setups, eh? :-)

It always locks up at the line that says "loading module dependencies" (or 
something close to that).

I would blame faulty memory, controllers or the hard drive but v8.2 
(powerpack) runs on this system *flawlessly*. I don't have to pass anything 
to the kernel

Thanks for any help! :-)

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Re: SOLVED(?): [expert] test command

2002-12-22 Thread ath1410
Solved! I should have read man bash pages!
(B
(BOptions are one of the Arguments.
(B
(Btest arg1 arg2 arg3 ..
(B
(BSo,
(B
(B$test -n or $test -z is just like $test abc.
(B-n, -z, or abc is handled as arg1 and as 'a string'. Then
(Btest deos not think that -z or -n is an option statement.
(BThe arg1 (-z or -a or -*) can be considered option only if
(Btest has arg2. Without arg2, -z or -n or -* should be handled
(Bjust like abc. 
(B
(B1 argument
(BThe expression is true if and only if the argument is not null.
(B
(BThen $test -*;echo$? returns 0(true) and $test "";echo$? returns
(B1(false).
(B
(BAnd in case of no argment which is just $test, man bash
(Bsays 
(B0 argment - The expression is false.
(B
(Bam i right??
(B
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Re: [expert] KDE and wine--Sound?

2002-12-22 Thread PlugHead
Well, pretty much anything...  "Morrowind" (tm)  is the Ultimate Goal, but at 
this point, I'd be happy if I could view the "Two Towers" trailer with sound 
(via Crossover/QuickTime.) Planescape - Torment, is another experiment that 
I've been toying with (without much success.)

These programs (well, I don't know about morrowind) kinda work, but suffer 
from the same defect--terrible sound!!!  (Or no sound at all.)

I've got my KDE sound set, such that the sound server should "auto suspend" 
after 5 seconds.  Note that I get no sound, what-so-ever, before it times 
out.  After that, I get some sound, but it's so bad that I'd be better off 
without...

At the moment, I'm running WineX 2.2.1 (as well as Crossover wine 1.1.3?)  I 
know that they (transgaming?) recommend running with the KDE sound service 
(arts?) disabled, but even when I uncheck the "start arts on kde startup" 
(and re-boot), the sound is still hosed..  (I know, there's probably some 
system service that I could disable, but I'm reluctant to do so.)

Given my experience with SDL games (like legacy doom), I'm convinced that 
using "soundwrapper" might be the solution.  (Simply because the sound 
defects seem very similar to what I heard with legacy doom, prior to using 
soundwrapper.)  But, I have no idea how to use it with wine.  If you have 
some insight into this, I'd greatly appreciate it...

Thanks,
-Jason


On Sunday 22 December 2002 10:27 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
> --- PlugHead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Anyone know how to get wine to work under KDE w/ Sound that Doesn't
> > Suck(tm)?
> >
> > I'm using the latest WineX from transgaming, as well as regular wine, but
> > the sound under KDE is lousy.  It's so full of dropout and static that
> > it's unusable.
> >
> > I've had this problem with other non-KDE apps, but using soundwrapper
> > generally fixes the problem.  Not so w/ wine tho.  I've tried wrapping
> > both the shell script and the wineserver, to no avail.
> >
> > Has anyone gotten this to work?
>
> What game are you trying to run?  I've got WineX 2.2.1 here, but I havent
> run Diablo 2 in a while.  At least not since I upgraded.  I'm running Open
> Sound System from 4front Technologies.  Guess I need to test it anyway...
>
> Let me know about your game.
>
> > TIA,
> > -Jason
>
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>
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Re: [expert] Display Manager has gone south

2002-12-22 Thread James Sparenberg
Like the old adage about how you find the auto mechanic in the
neighborhood look for the worst car.  *grin*

James
 
PS.  Never refer to a doctor as a biological hacker (or a Bio
Technician) they don't understand... (But the Nurses seem to.)

On Sun, 2002-12-22 at 10:05, Jack Coates wrote:
> Well, it's only useful within the realm of those computer things which
> are inherently non-useful, so the paradigm is safe :-)
> 
> Though mine's been quieter since I pointed out that our friend the
> construction contractor is a house hacker instead of a computer hacker,
> and his wife has to deal with holes in the floors and walls, power and
> plumbing that might not work from day to day, near-continuous painting
> projects... :-)
> 
> On Sun, 2002-12-22 at 09:39, James Sparenberg wrote:
> > Just don't tell my wife I did something useful  She'll never believe
> > it *grin* Glad it worked.  
> > 
> > James
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, 2002-12-22 at 05:05, Mark Weaver wrote:
> > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > > Hash: SHA1
> > > 
> > > Mark Weaver wrote:
> > > | James Sparenberg wrote:
> > > |
> > > |> Mark
> > > |>
> > > |>   Getting this information might help you or us in troubleshooting the
> > > |> problem.
> > > |> 1.  what dm do you use kdm or gdm (kde or gnome) or somthing completely
> > > |> different.
> > > |> 2.  as root cd to /var/log/ then do
> > > |> tail -f XFree86.0.log (yours might be 1 or 2 but for most is 0.)
> > > |>
> > > |> Then put a bunch of ++ or some other symbol across the screen (to
> > > |> mark what's new vs old) and try to start an x session using startx .
> > > |> Enclose this output and about the last 20 lines of what startx spits out
> > > |> when it dies.  Also look at the last few lines of /var/log/messages to
> > > |> see if it has any info.
> > > |>
> > > |> My guess to the problem is.
> > > |>
> > > |> 1.  It forgot what kind of mouse you have.
> > > |> 2.  xfs (X font server) isn't running, or is dieing immediately.
> > > |> 3.  /tmp might have lost a couple of files and this really messes things
> > > |> up.
> > > |> 4. The linux gods have decided to keep you busy over the holidays *grin*
> > > |>
> > > |>
> > > |> James
> > > |
> > > |
> > > | Awesome James... As soon as I've got all these goodies I'll post back to
> > > | the list. Thanks! :)
> > > |
> > > | Mark
> > > 
> > > James,
> > > 
> > > I figured it out. Thanks for the good tips. You got me looking in the
> > > right direction. I had forgotten that the other I had started doing
> > > updates with the update manager and had to kill the process. some of
> > > those packages were kde packages and kde got hosed. Along with most of
> > > the file ownership of my home dir.
> > > 
> > > Once I got KDE fixed the rest was a snap. All is well with the world
> > > again and I *won't* be spending the holidays Mandrakeless or scurrying
> > > about my system with a silly clueless look on my mug tryin to figure out
> > > why its broken. :)
> > > 
> > > Mark
> > > 
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> > > 
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Re: [expert] Software Manager Sucks

2002-12-22 Thread James Sparenberg
I've got to put in my 2 cents here.  For me... 8.2 bit bad.  Why, I was
running i810 and i815 chipset motherboards and having all kinds of
stability problems with 9.0 these boxes have all been rock solid.  any
funky hassles I've had have been either due to pushing the box too hard
or trying to do something I shouldn't have been trying to do. Not due to
a weakness in 9.0.  Actually I've found it to be the most solidly tested
version since 7.0.  Yes there are problems with programs that run ON
Linux.  KDE - Gnome - etc etc.  Many of these aren't so much MDK
problems as just... problems.  If you ever want something that will
drive you nuts trying to get it to do what you want... try RH 8.0...
Blue blows.

James
  

On Sun, 2002-12-22 at 12:57, Philip Webb wrote:
> 021222 Praedor Atrebates wrote:
> > Ah, with it now too late ya'll have made me regret buying MDK 9.0.
> -- details snipped --
> 
> i've been happily running an upgrade 8.2 -> 9.0rc1 since September.
> certainly, 8.0 was awful (very bad KDE) & 8.2 quite good,
> but there's no reason to avoid 9.0 ,
> tho' you might want to try a few things from Cooker.



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[expert] garnome

2002-12-22 Thread Azrael
Just ijstalled the latest garnome under mdk 9.0, however the usage
instructions are a little on the thin side, and I amnot sure how to
configure mandrake to allow me to log in with the new gnome.

Anyone able to help?

many thanks

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