Re: [expert] postfix sasl smpt auth problems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Sonntag, 16. Februar 2003 16:03 schrieb leo: > Sometime ago i had setup a mdk8.2 machine with postfix and sasl which > worked great. Now I've got another machine where i installed mdk 9.0 and > did the same configuration but when I try to telnet into the postfix server > i get "535 Error: authentication failed": > > 220 server.home ESMTP Postfix (1.1.11) (Mandrake Linux) > ehlo client.home > 250-server.home > 250-PIPELINING > 250-SIZE 1024 > 250-VRFY > 250-ETRN > 250-AUTH CRAM-MD5 LOGIN DIGEST-MD5 PLAIN > 250-AUTH=CRAM-MD5 LOGIN DIGEST-MD5 PLAIN > 250-XVERP > 250 8BITMIME > auth plain dGVzdGUAdGVzdGUAdGVzdGVwYXNz > 535 Error: authentication failed > > I've checked the password many times and it seems to be correct. > Mailclients (outlook) also cannot login. I'm using the sasldb method. > > Does anyone has any ideas abou this? > > ___ > Leonardo Sá > Recife - PE - Brazil Just a shot in the dark, did you copy the sasl passwordfile to /var/spool/postfix directory (if you use sasldb)? If you don't want to copy this file, disable chroot setting in /etc/postfix/master.cf. Martin - -- - H E L I X Gesellschaft für Software & Engineering mbH - Hanauer Landstrasse 52 Telefon (069) 4789 35-30 60314 Frankfurt am Main Telefax (069) 4789 35-44 - http://www.helix-gmbh.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+UI0ABG198cnayKQRAoxpAJ4zqJGpnI7y1Fw3MHk3ex31Mb55qACaAgLF HlniaoEY7oehElIGoXtyxaY= =1GbH -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Xnest questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Donnerstag, 13. Februar 2003 10:21 schrieb Chuck Burns: > On Friday 14 February 2003 3:16 pm, Dave Laird wrote: > *snipped stuff about xnest gui* > > > In case your findings come to you off this list, could you please forward > > any information you may find about this? I've begun playing with Xnest, > > too, and would like to have a gui tooie. 8-) > > > > Dave > > certainly. And here's another question I would like to pose... Let's just > say I have an old box, and I want to run gdm on it, so I can xdmcp into > it.. BUT! here's the kicker.. I dont want X to run on the box locally... > IOW, I don't want X to take up a VT on the system, ONLY be a remote X > server.. anyone have any ideas here? :) I don't know about gdm, but with xdm and kdm change the file /etc/X11/xdm Xservers: Comment out the line ':0 local /bin/nice -n ...' and run telinit 3; telinit 5 and there will be no X server running localy, but accepts any xdmcp connections. Martin - -- - H E L I X Gesellschaft für Software & Engineering mbH - Hanauer Landstrasse 52 Telefon (069) 4789 35-30 60314 Frankfurt am Main Telefax (069) 4789 35-44 - http://www.helix-gmbh.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+UIomBG198cnayKQRAqvSAJ4025teY7qS2rHc1eMugCVpkHSUaACfYltJ ZVfDyrgsq9sJ3y6guDFgJWQ= =3i5q -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] INTEL RAID Controller
Hello! I have the little server on INTEL SHG2 Matherboard with INTEL RAID Controller SRCMRU... But can't installing Mandrake 8.0... Where can I find the working driver for INTEL RAID Controller SRCMRU ? All _ best _ to _ you !!!_654086,RUSSIA,NOVOKUZNETSKOAO ZOF ABASHEVSKAJANikolay K. KopylovSystem manager, ORACLE DBAE-Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ : 22605721_
Re: [expert] adding scsi tape drive
For a true SCSI tape drive (not an IDE tape drive that is accessed as a SCSI tape drive using the ide-scsi module), you do not need to run makedev nor re-install -> just load the scsi tape module (note the SCSI controller module has to be loaded first). I think that even the module will be automatically inserted when accessing /dev/st0 or when the systems boots and finds the SCSI controller. On Sunday 16 February 2003 05:54 pm, you wrote: > Michael Noble wrote: > > On another system that I had, I did try and use makedev, but it did > > not work. It made the devices, but links were not made to correct > > locations > > I ended up rebuilding the system with the drive in and all went well. > > The system now sees the tape drive, there really ought to be a better > > way to add hardware to a Linux box without having to rebuild the system. > > sometimes a reinstall is best. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Build Process
On Sun, 2003-02-16 at 17:14, Greg Meyer wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > I have always wondered this, so I'll throw it out and hopefully someone can > shed some light for me. > > Many times after a new version of Mandrake comes out, I like to rebuild some > of the key packages, like glibc, XFree and KDE with GCC optimizations for my > AthlonXP processor. A few times, I have had some hiccups that required me to > actually modify the souorces or the spec file to get it to build properly on > my machine. > > How is it then, that if there is a bug in the spec file or source that > prevents it from building on my machine, does MandrakeSoft get it to build > for inclusion in the distro to begin with? How are the binary and source > rpms created? > > - -- > Greg Greg, From my less than expert point of view, I can say that sometimes it just seems to happen. I have had situations like this where I can grab the binary and it works but danged if I can get it to build (Mozilla and AbiWord in the early days are prime examples.) Sometimes it appears to happen because of different upgrade paths and files that got left behind. Either on my box or theirs. Slightly different versions also have had an affect. I've got xxlib-4mdk and they have xxlib-5mdk. (or vice versa) When I do ./configure it's happy, but there is just enough difference to make it blow up. It's kinda like the RH installer anaconda. The source code is there for you to do what you want. But with minimal comments and no docs, I dang near dare you to get it to build. Sometimes especially with AMD vs Intel chips 3dNow vs MMX gets into play. If something is written a little too tightly to one instruction set vs the other I could also see that causing problems of monumental proportion. It's a case where compatible doesn't mean the same. Kinda like Wang in the early days. It's DOS emulator actually ran DOS applications faster than DOS in the native mode. About 4 years ago the company I was with had a video app. The guy who wrote it sent the code and the binary to the CTO. He ran the binary ... great. But when he tried to build it. (He wanted to try a mod.) it wouldn't build. period. Never figured out why but it wouldn't build on a Xeon box, but on the K-6's it built fine. Who knows. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] adding scsi tape drive
On Sat, 2003-02-15 at 17:32, g wrote: > i tried it, but found that makedev was not installed. could also be why when i > tried 'man makedev', i got a 'not found'. so i did not go any further with it. > Just to let you know makedev is MAKEDEV. Mike -- Michael Noble mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Large IDE HD on Mdk 9.0?
On Sunday 16 February 2003 01:00 pm, Wolf N. Paul wrote: > I am having trouble getting a 120G Maxtor 4G120J8 disk > working on my Mdk 9.0 system. > > When I attach the drive and reboot, the boot hangs > indefinitely at the partition check, both when the disk > was virginal from the store, and now that I have created > a single large primary partition on it with Win2K. > > If I append "hdh=noprobe" to the boot prompt, I can > boot the system, but the drive is not accessible. > > If I specify the geometry the kernel reports for the > drive just before the partition check, like so: > > "hdh=14946,255,63 hdh=noprobe" > > which corresponds to an example in the kernel source > Documents/ide.txt file, the kernel panics. The same thing > happens if I use the geometry values given in the spec > sheet for the drive on Maxtor's support web. > > The first line of the panic message refers to a null pointer reference > at address 63, which makes me wonder whether the sectors parameter > of the geometry spec is getting misinterpreted. > > Any hints? Any ideas? > > Regards, > > Wolf N. Paul > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have you used the other install kernels alt0 alt1 alt2? type F1 at the splash screen and then at the boot prompt 'alt0' without the quotes. Also the alt1 and alt2--any may recognize the big disk. The install kernels are seriously stripped so that the image fits on a floppy. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Mandrake Build Process
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have always wondered this, so I'll throw it out and hopefully someone can shed some light for me. Many times after a new version of Mandrake comes out, I like to rebuild some of the key packages, like glibc, XFree and KDE with GCC optimizations for my AthlonXP processor. A few times, I have had some hiccups that required me to actually modify the souorces or the spec file to get it to build properly on my machine. How is it then, that if there is a bug in the spec file or source that prevents it from building on my machine, does MandrakeSoft get it to build for inclusion in the distro to begin with? How are the binary and source rpms created? - -- Greg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+UDdaGu5uuMFlL5MRAmyuAJ97rPifC01+oCyqXQKilaL6PkT6KACfZHXN fHg2fdiAx9/nRw6gCpWvGM8= =jJV0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Large IDE HD on Mdk 9.0?
Since you have Windows, the first thing I would do is d/l the diagnostic utility (PowerMax) from the Maxtor web site and run that. (Actually, you run the downloaded program that then creates a boot disk...) It may be co-incidence, but I just got the same drive for my father (at least it was a 120G maxtor)--and proceded to fsck around with it for two weeks before realizing that it was a piece of junk... (BTW, beware of target-sale.com--I've been pestering them for an RMA# for a week now and gotten absolutely no response...) HTH, -Jason On Sunday 16 February 2003 05:00 pm, Wolf N. Paul wrote: > I am having trouble getting a 120G Maxtor 4G120J8 disk > working on my Mdk 9.0 system. > > When I attach the drive and reboot, the boot hangs > indefinitely at the partition check, both when the disk > was virginal from the store, and now that I have created > a single large primary partition on it with Win2K. > > If I append "hdh=noprobe" to the boot prompt, I can > boot the system, but the drive is not accessible. > > If I specify the geometry the kernel reports for the > drive just before the partition check, like so: > > "hdh=14946,255,63 hdh=noprobe" > > which corresponds to an example in the kernel source > Documents/ide.txt file, the kernel panics. The same thing > happens if I use the geometry values given in the spec > sheet for the drive on Maxtor's support web. > > The first line of the panic message refers to a null pointer reference > at address 63, which makes me wonder whether the sectors parameter > of the geometry spec is getting misinterpreted. > > Any hints? Any ideas? > > Regards, > > Wolf N. Paul > [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- = 'Yes, but humans are more important than animals,' said Brutha. 'This is a point of view often expressed by humans,' said Om. (Small Gods) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Large IDE HD on Mdk 9.0?
If there is a jumper on the disk to reduce the size, try that (for testing), this might eliminate the possiblity that the drive is faulty. Although it works in win2k, have you done a surface scan there? It really does sound like its the kernel thats the problem though, you could search google and also upgrade your kernel, its over 5 months since mdk9 kernel came out now. JG Wolf N. Paul wrote: I am having trouble getting a 120G Maxtor 4G120J8 disk working on my Mdk 9.0 system. When I attach the drive and reboot, the boot hangs indefinitely at the partition check, both when the disk was virginal from the store, and now that I have created a single large primary partition on it with Win2K. If I append "hdh=noprobe" to the boot prompt, I can boot the system, but the drive is not accessible. If I specify the geometry the kernel reports for the drive just before the partition check, like so: "hdh=14946,255,63 hdh=noprobe" which corresponds to an example in the kernel source Documents/ide.txt file, the kernel panics. The same thing happens if I use the geometry values given in the spec sheet for the drive on Maxtor's support web. The first line of the panic message refers to a null pointer reference at address 63, which makes me wonder whether the sectors parameter of the geometry spec is getting misinterpreted. Any hints? Any ideas? Regards, Wolf N. Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] adding scsi tape drive
Michael Noble wrote: On another system that I had, I did try and use makedev, but it did not work. It made the devices, but links were not made to correct locations I ended up rebuilding the system with the drive in and all went well. The system now sees the tape drive, there really ought to be a better way to add hardware to a Linux box without having to rebuild the system. sometimes a reinstall is best. kudzu was a nice idea, yet for some reason it was dropped with ver 9. of beauties of linux, is open source, as everyone can help debug and improve linux. yet this leads to some of linux's down falls. new versions. a major will come out, have problems, and folks jump on them to see what they can do to help improve. improvements are gather, debugs and fixes are made, sub levels come out. then, oops, something did not get fixed. kudzu, maybe. then 'well that is ok, harddrake can take care of new hardware'. but it does not. could kudzu have handled it? do not know, no kudzu in this version because it may have had a minor problem that no one worked on. or what ever. in some ways, such a scenario is good, in some ways it is bad. over all, it is hard to say and only time will prove out what is best. from way linux has grown and matured, i can not fault what has happened. it is by far, still a better system than oos. of all of what is being done to improve linux and make it more 'user friendly', one of things that has never been done, is a prog that would gather all configs and setting and save them for making new installations easier. maybe one day this will happen. until then, it is up to each user to either save his/her configs and apply to new installs. or, just to remember what was done and hope that there is not any great change that would make old configs useless. when i make changes, i first save old settings as 'filename.000' and increase '000' as i make changes. then if i error, i still have old settings to reapply. some files that are changed by config progs that i have no control over, i will look for '~' or what ever happens to be used to designate a change. and yes, some progs do not do this. that is when, if a critical, i will look back thru directories for mod dates to show changes. a lot is required this way, but it has helped when reinstalling, upgrading or new installs. sometimes, i do not bother, as configs are such that just making changes is easier than looking for old files. it is an old and worn out phrase, but 'practices makes perfect'. with enough practice, one becomes efficient. :) jmo. peace out. tc,hago. g . -- think green... save a tree, save a life, save time, save bandwidth, save storage. send email... text/plain - disable pgp/gpg/geek code attachments =+= if you are proud to be an american, then buy "made in america". Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] More a KDE problem, I think
On Sunday 16 Feb 2003 8:46 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: > On Sun, 2003-02-16 at 10:48, Anne Wilson wrote: > > On Saturday 15 Feb 2003 12:18 am, Chuck Burns wrote: > > > On Sunday 16 February 2003 5:14 am, john wrote: > > > *snip* > > > > > > > Anne, > > > > > > > > I think this is what you need, > > > > Control Center > LookNFeel > Taskbar > > > > Uncheck the "Group similar tasks" box > > > > Now every instance of every kde app will appear as a seperate icon > > > > > > I'm sure you missed the point of her post. The way I read it, she > > > wants to group similar tasks, but doesnt think konqueror in root-mode > > > should be grouped with normal konqueror.. > > > > Spot on > > > > Anne > > Problem is I don't think KDE has any way of telling who owns a window. > In fact this could be done. But I'd hate to think of the headstands > required. > Fair enough, so I'll live with the work-around. Hopefully someone will think of it if the moment ever comes that it could be built in. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Large IDE HD on Mdk 9.0?
I am having trouble getting a 120G Maxtor 4G120J8 disk working on my Mdk 9.0 system. When I attach the drive and reboot, the boot hangs indefinitely at the partition check, both when the disk was virginal from the store, and now that I have created a single large primary partition on it with Win2K. If I append "hdh=noprobe" to the boot prompt, I can boot the system, but the drive is not accessible. If I specify the geometry the kernel reports for the drive just before the partition check, like so: "hdh=14946,255,63 hdh=noprobe" which corresponds to an example in the kernel source Documents/ide.txt file, the kernel panics. The same thing happens if I use the geometry values given in the spec sheet for the drive on Maxtor's support web. The first line of the panic message refers to a null pointer reference at address 63, which makes me wonder whether the sectors parameter of the geometry spec is getting misinterpreted. Any hints? Any ideas? Regards, Wolf N. Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KDE3.1 for MD >= 8.1?
Guy Zelck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > Simon Ree wrote: > > >Guy Zelck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >>Hello all, > >> > >>Will there ever be a KDE3.1 version released for 8.x? > >> > >>I only now can say that I've got my 8.1 system like I want it to be. In > >>the mean time Mandrake raced versions, which in my view is crazy . > >>It's becoming more and more difficult to have recent versions of > >>programs. I find myself more and more rebuilding packages. A lot of > >>packages (libs) change names between versions and taking a recent spec > >>file to rebuild a package yourself is often hell as you have find out > >>what you need from scratch and change all required package names in the > >>spec. > >> > >> > > > >Why change to a new program version in the first place if you are happy > >using a old os version? > > > Old? MD8.1 is from Sep 2001, that's 1.5 years old. Using KDE2.2 together > with all the other updates doesn't mean I have an old os. It's not > because every 6 mths there's a new version, that the previous 2 > versions are suddenly old. They overtook RH in version number, very > good Marketing wise, but not good for anything else. > 1.5 years is "old" in the software world. It's old for Mandrake and its old for MS. Upgrading to a new KDE doesn't necessarily get you anything new or better or do your job any better. If a specific *new* feature is required you may have to upgrade due to it needing other package upgrades and so on and so on. Should Mandrake upgrade the whole OS for you? oh wait they did 8.2, 9.0, 9.1B. > >You would advocate That mandrake should build > >packages for for all of their old versions? KDE 3.1 for v6 maybe? > > > That's exagerating, that was not my question? A longer support period > would be more reasonable, say 3 years, certainly for substantial > packages. Creating a newer version less often would help, and instead > provide upgrade waves (service packs ;-) ) > your right and maybe they should. But I think you would need a much bigger company to support 3 years worth of distro's even if they were slowed down. And how do you define support? Patching the version you purchased/downloaded or providing new versions as they become available. I don't think Mandrake should be responsible for slowing down other peoples projects. Many users would jump ship the second Mandrake dropped from the bleeding edge. > > > >>Even guys that started of with 9.0 now have to be club members to get > >>kde3.1. This is a sad development. I see Mandrake more and more slip > >>away from being a free os distributor. I understand they have > >>difficulties so I payed for a regular membership myself for 2 years in > >>a row now. You get very little with this. But more and more the regular > >>users are left out. This is very sad I find. I starts to stink for $s. > >> > >> > > > >Cooker may be a choice for those who allways want the latest and > >supposidly greatest. Still free. > > > Then I could have as well upgraded to 9.0. > > > > > > >>So I'm afraid there's little chance to get rpms from Mandrake for 8.x. > >>If there's no good soul in the community who put packages available I'm > >>in for an ordeal to get kde3.1 compiled and packaged for 8.1. > >> > >> > > > >Maybe you could build it? > > > I'll have a go at it, sure. > > >I'm not saying mandrake shouldn't support old > >versions, but the old distro did not ship with the intention of being > >brought up the the latest level of every package. My Explorer came with > >a 5L V8, they now come with a 4.6L V8, should Ford provide me with a > >upgrade path other than purchasing a new one? > > > Crummy comparison. think so, you can apply the camparison to any number of products services, whatever. If a warranty is implied or supplied it is for the product supplied and presumably paid for. My vehicle or dishwasher or whatever has a support period and so does Mandrake's product. Its just that the support is for what you bought or downloaded. If the only way to fix a major security flaw or bug or defect/recall (staying with vehicles) is to replace a core component then you might have an argument for Mandrake providing you with a new KDE. > > Guy. > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Simon Rée mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] openPGP key : http://www.codeford.com/simonree.asc -> Please Donate to the Canadian Cystic Fibrosis Foundation <- -> http://www.cysticfibrosis.ca <- msg66124/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] postfix sasl smpt auth problems
on the server, do a openssl -verify [certificate] to make sure that everything is set up properly. It's very finicky IME On Sun, 2003-02-16 at 07:03, leo wrote: > Sometime ago i had setup a mdk8.2 machine with postfix and sasl which > worked great. Now I've got another machine where i installed mdk 9.0 > and did the same configuration but when I try to telnet into the > postfix server i get "535 Error: authentication failed": > > 220 server.home ESMTP Postfix (1.1.11) (Mandrake Linux) > ehlo client.home > 250-server.home > 250-PIPELINING > 250-SIZE 1024 > 250-VRFY > 250-ETRN > 250-AUTH CRAM-MD5 LOGIN DIGEST-MD5 PLAIN > 250-AUTH=CRAM-MD5 LOGIN DIGEST-MD5 PLAIN > 250-XVERP > 250 8BITMIME > auth plain dGVzdGUAdGVzdGUAdGVzdGVwYXNz > 535 Error: authentication failed > > I've checked the password many times and it seems to be correct. > Mailclients (outlook) also cannot login. I'm using the sasldb method. > > Does anyone has any ideas abou this? > > ___ > Leonardo Sá > Recife - PE - Brazil -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Java problems
Ken Thompson wrote: On Thursday 13 February 2003 12:33 pm, Mark Weaver wrote: JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1) wrote: Ken, I notice you have cableone which I assume that means you have a cablemodem? I live in Boise and have the same service The reason I bring that up is that I'm curious if you could download Mozilla/Netscape with the Java JRE and see if that applet works in that browser. With a cablemodem, that shouldn't take too long. Also, is there any chance that you could go back to 3.05 and compare the output of the java consoles? Best regards, David -Original Message- From: Ken Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 9:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Java problems Comment inline. On Monday 10 February 2003 10:56 am, Jack Coates wrote: edit ~/.bash_profile find the line beginning PATH = put this under it: JAVA_HOME=/usr/java/j2re1.4.0 export JAVA_HOME PATH=$PATH:$JAVA_HOME/bin source .bash_profile in the shell you will run java from. these instructions may sound familiar from the README that came with the Sun RPM Jack, Java as such works OK on this machine, what does not work after the KDE3.1 upgrade is the java applet in the firewall's "shell" portion of the web interface. It was working just fine under KDE3.0.5... I've set up java in konqueror and double checked to make sure, works OK on websites & etc .. I honestly fail to see what/how a desktop manager could/would influence the way java behaves inside an unrelated application such as a web browser. That makes two of us, but the fact remains that it does. Using MDK 9.1b3 and Mozila I am able to use the java interface on my smoothwall but not with Konqueror. Sounds more like Konq isn't looking in the right place for the Java plugin then anything else. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 & 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KDE3.1 for MD >= 8.1?
On Sun, 2003-02-16 at 06:29, Simon Ree wrote: > Guy Zelck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > Will there ever be a KDE3.1 version released for 8.x? > > > > I only now can say that I've got my 8.1 system like I want it to be. In > > the mean time Mandrake raced versions, which in my view is crazy . > > It's becoming more and more difficult to have recent versions of > > programs. I find myself more and more rebuilding packages. A lot of > > packages (libs) change names between versions and taking a recent spec > > file to rebuild a package yourself is often hell as you have find out > > what you need from scratch and change all required package names in the > > spec. > > Why change to a new program version in the first place if you are happy > using a old os version? You would advocate That mandrake should build > packages for for all of their old versions? KDE 3.1 for v6 maybe? > > > > Even guys that started of with 9.0 now have to be club members to get > > kde3.1. This is a sad development. I see Mandrake more and more slip > > away from being a free os distributor. I understand they have > > difficulties so I payed for a regular membership myself for 2 years in > > a row now. You get very little with this. But more and more the regular > > users are left out. This is very sad I find. I starts to stink for $s. > > Cooker may be a choice for those who allways want the latest and > supposidly greatest. Still free. > > > > So I'm afraid there's little chance to get rpms from Mandrake for 8.x. > > If there's no good soul in the community who put packages available I'm > > in for an ordeal to get kde3.1 compiled and packaged for 8.1. > > Maybe you could build it? I'm not saying mandrake shouldn't support old > versions, but the old distro did not ship with the intention of being > brought up the the latest level of every package. My Explorer came with > a 5L V8, they now come with a 4.6L V8, should Ford provide me with a > upgrade path other than purchasing a new one? > Guy, Good point I think that MDK has a responsibility for bugfixes and security on current. (note this doesn't include upgrades just because it's nice.) And into a pretty far future security fixes. IE if a zlib type bug comes out all currently supported versions definitely should get the new rpm. But older versions need one of two actions. If in April a security hole of this level even though 8.x just got dropped they should for the purpose of good customer relations provide either a binary rpm or at the very least a "generic" src rpm that can be used. This isn't required it just makes good business sense. For older systems the courtesy would be to provide minimal "High you are on your own but this should help you not break things." type instructions. For example. *** For users of older versions of MDK you can go to www.thisappishosed.com and download the source code. Follow the instructions there and use the configure switch --prefix=/usr to ensure that the libs go in the correct place on your box. Note that this will not update or change the rpm database and the installation of later applications may not be able to autodetect that you have this installed. Also note that MDK is not responsible for any problems this manual upgrade may cause. + This does two things. One it shows MDK cares and two it scares the heck out of a lot of people, hopefully pushing them to do a system upgrade. The downside. Many will just ignore it. (ala Slammer the patch was 9 months old. M$ was not at fault on that one.) Thankfully MDK doesn't pull a RH and remove the tools you need for manual upgrades from the low cost boxed set. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] mozilla and printing
Thank you very much for the advise. I'll print this out and see if I can't
come up with a solution that will work. I don't recall this being a problem
in earlier releases. Maybe I'm just forgetting.
On Saturday 15 February 2003 07:05 am, Guy Van Sanden wrote:
> The difference betweek kmail and mozilla is that all KDE applications
> use the KDE printing system (located in the KDE control center).
> This detected my CUPS server (running FreeBSD) out of the box, without
> any hassles.
>
> Mozilla and other apps (like OpenOffice) use the default Unix commands
> to print (which interface with CUPS).
> So what you need to do is configure that serperately using the Mandrake
> Control Center.
>
> If you already have your printers configured there, make sure that you
> have a default printer. This will be used when doing lpr on the
> command line.
>
> There's always the workarround to always print with the KDE printer
> system (which has additional options).
> Just print to a ps (postscript) file in Mozilla, OO, ... then open a
> terminal window and type 'kprinter '.
>
> Good luck
>
> Guy
>
> On Sat, 2003-02-15 at 00:56, Rolf Pedersen wrote:
> > Lorne wrote:
> > > Okay,
> > >
> > > I was sure this was discussed here before, but I can't find it. I use
> > > 9.0 and mozilla. I am using cups printing. From Kmail I can print just
> > > fine. But from within Mozilla I can not. It has a funky lpr syntax and
> > > I don't know how to configure this so I can print to my remote smb
> > > printer. Any help appreciated. here is the default syntax:
> > > PostScript/default. Then in properties it is: lpr
> > > ${MOZ_PRINTER_NAME:+'-P'}${MOZ_PRINTER_NAME}
> > >
> > >>From within Kmail it is simply name: HP4 and print system currently in
> > >> use:
> > >
> > > Cups
> >
> > What I know about the mozilla print command is that you can change it to
> > what you want but it won't be saved for the next session, so you have to
> > change it each sesssion. There is a bug about this at mozilla bugzilla.
> > For instance, I can change this to kprinter --stdin and get the
> > kprinter dialog to choose printers and parameters. I don't know about
> > printing to a remote smb printer but maybe that is accessible in
> > kprinter for you or maybe it is a matter of adding --stdin to the end of
> > the print command that works for you on the command line.
> >
> >
> >
> > __
> >
> > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft?
> > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Re: [expert] More a KDE problem, I think
On Sun, 2003-02-16 at 10:48, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Saturday 15 Feb 2003 12:18 am, Chuck Burns wrote: > > On Sunday 16 February 2003 5:14 am, john wrote: > > *snip* > > > > > Anne, > > > > > > I think this is what you need, > > > Control Center > LookNFeel > Taskbar > > > Uncheck the "Group similar tasks" box > > > Now every instance of every kde app will appear as a seperate icon > > > > I'm sure you missed the point of her post. The way I read it, she wants to > > group similar tasks, but doesnt think konqueror in root-mode should be > > grouped with normal konqueror.. > > Spot on > > Anne Problem is I don't think KDE has any way of telling who owns a window. In fact this could be done. But I'd hate to think of the headstands required. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Archiving Evolution mail
On Sun, 2003-02-16 at 08:41, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: > cheers(); > > > > > Ok I'm hitting a wall here with close to 200,000 e-mails in evolution > > > > I'm at a point where I really need to be able to archive a ton of this > > > > off. BUT I also need access to these without jumping through hoops. > > > > Any suggestions on how to do this? To say the least evo's starting to > > > > get very very slow. Any help will be very much appreciated. > > > > > > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution > > > is probably the place to go. > > > > > > Two suggestions: > > > - You can turn off indexing to reduce disc space. > > Sure can't find this one... whee Is it my problem is mostly speed and > > hanging right now. > > - Right Cick on any local folder (not IMAP) > - choose Properties > - uncheck 'Index body contents' > > > If you can't get it fly, ask the mailing list I mentioned earlier. There > are quite a lot of folks with several hundred thousand mails... > > karsten Karsten, Thanks for the tip I've got a number of dead or near dead folders that don't need constant indexing. Oh and I found out the problem. I'm running cooker and one of the updates I did set my /etc/hosts file to 127.0.0.1 localhost and nothing more. For reasons unchecked, and unknown. Evolution does a check to see where it is every time you do anything. (basically a reverse dns type action) Since the hostname (localhost.localdomain or otherwise) wasn't in this file and since I don't run dns for my home lan. I constantly had to wait for this action to time out. Once I did an strace and started watching it I found what was the cause. So if Evo ever slows down on you or anyone else. Check the /etc/hosts file. James > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Fwd: [expert] Best Mandrake yet!!!
On Friday 14 February 2003 10:03 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: > On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 08:31, Lorne wrote: > > On Thursday 13 February 2003 10:25 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: > > > Don't really know what my level is... I just send em some every month. > > > (silver standard something like that.) Any who the link is > > > > > > http://www.mandrakeclub.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=search&quer > > >y= > > > > > > and it's a 30 day trial > > > > You are absolutely correct! There it is in living color. I just expired > > last week > > So very sorry to hear of your recent demise. Tell me How are your > writing this... does heaven have broadband? > (extremely large cheessy grin) > hahahaha... wise ass. :) > > so can't get it. I've sent comments/concerns and won't be renewing until > > I get a reply. I'm not holding my breath. :) > > > > thanks for pointing that out though. It does look like they are getting > > better and better at treating the contributing members a little better. > > When I first joined it was pretty bad. > > > > > James > > > > > > > I'm silver, but I just download the ISOs and it ain't on there. > > > > Theoretically I might could find it in the commercial apps section, > > > > but I haven't had a need to go looking. > > > > __ > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] OT tunning network
>> Well that depends on the time but i have tried on a >> single clients connection also .. on which i get 1.5 >> mbps max What you checked the duplex mode the client(s) and server is(are) at? In windows i have seen it make a huge difference. Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] OT tunning network
--- Robert Wideman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> i have a 100mbps network > >> utp cable 10/100 mbps switch hub > > switch or hub? shouldnt matter but still. SOHO 3com Switch > > >> 60 clients consisting of Linux , Windows & > solaris O/S > >> Dns is used for name resolution > >> there is a local webserver "Apache" running on my > >> network which provides large media files to > clients as > >> downloads... > >> the problem that when clients downloads the > download > >> speed they get is ranging from 400kbps to 1.5 > mbps .. > >> both in rush hour & off hours . > > How many are DLing at the same time? this could be > the issue. Since they > network is 10/100...10mb=1.5MB and 100mb=15MB. WIth > that said 15MB / 15 = > 1MB per person if all are DLing at 1MB at the same > time. Well that depends on the time but i have tried on a single clients connection also .. on which i get 1.5 mbps max > > Rob > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > = *º¤., ¸¸,.¤º*¨¨¨*¤ Allah-hu-Akber*º¤., ¸¸,.¤º*¨¨*¤ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Kernel headers and inability to build wlan drivers
On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 02:36:36PM -0500, Praedor Atrebates wrote: > How do I end run this mdkcustom nonsense and get a properly named kernel > header (2.4.19-16mdk instead of 2.4.19-16mdkcustom)? > Go to the Makefile in the src directory /usr/src/2.4.19-16mdk/Makefile and remove the custom from 16mdkcustom in the EXTRAVVERSION line. If you do rebuild the kernel later you need to remember to change this line again or you'll overwrite all of your existing modules etc.I've discovered that overwriting these modules makes it a little difficult to recover from kernel configuration errors. Ray Warren Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Kernel headers and inability to build wlan drivers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 One of the many problems I am having getting wireless device drivers to build is because of the Mandrake/Redhat business recently of FORCING any new kernel build to be appended with mdkcustom. Big problem. I do NOT want to rebuild my kernel at this time. I am happy with the default kernel. I HAVE to run make dep, however, on my kernel source to get the wireless drivers to build BUT to do so I have to run make xconfig which creates...a config that sets up the kernel headers to indicate a **-mdkcustom kernel. Wont work. How do I end run this mdkcustom nonsense and get a properly named kernel header (2.4.19-16mdk instead of 2.4.19-16mdkcustom)? praedor -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+T+hWwDUPEkSvRHERAtPwAJ0VsQJWUyED5CHo0Gg9IpKNdQHrmACgi8gG Sp8WnwObKkT7pAEh0Mkgl8s= =jbAR -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] OT tunning network
>> i have a 100mbps network >> utp cable 10/100 mbps switch hub switch or hub? shouldnt matter but still. >> 60 clients consisting of Linux , Windows & solaris O/S >> Dns is used for name resolution >> there is a local webserver "Apache" running on my >> network which provides large media files to clients as >> downloads... >> the problem that when clients downloads the download >> speed they get is ranging from 400kbps to 1.5 mbps .. >> both in rush hour & off hours . How many are DLing at the same time? this could be the issue. Since they network is 10/100...10mb=1.5MB and 100mb=15MB. WIth that said 15MB / 15 = 1MB per person if all are DLing at 1MB at the same time. Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] wireless pain
Praedor Atrebates wrote: I finally went ahead and upgraded from MDK 8.2 to MDK 9.0 on my laptop (IBM Stinkpad 1412, Celeron). It installed just fine and everything is working OK except for wireless. I have 2 devices to play with: an Orinoco Gold and a Zoomair. Under 8.2 I had the Zoomair (prism2) working just fine. Under 9.0 I find it impossible to build the hostap driver and the wlan-ng driver just doesn't work at all - it doesn't appear to understand any wireless extension commands so I cannot set anything on the card. Under 9.0, the Orinoco gold card is accepted OK and the wvlan_cs module loads. I am able to set channel, mode, etc, with iwconfig. Problem is, even though I set the parameters to Ad-hoc, channel 6, and the proper essid and "iwconfig eth0" shows all the settings as what they should be, I get no communication with my desktop which has and has had for a long time a fully working WUSB11 set to Ad-hoc, channel 6, and the proper essid. They match in all necessary settings yet I am unable to ping or communicate between systems at all. Any ideas? Any suggestions? I have tried rebuilding wlan-ng drivers, altering the wireless.opts file, network.opts file, manually changing settings, all to no avail. I even reset my desktop wusb11. Nothing. Ad-hoc, same channel, same essid and no communication. praedor I only know there has been a lot of traffic around these devices on cooker. Maybe you could find a clue in the archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?method=and&format=short&config=cooker_linux-mandrake_com&restrict=&exclude=&words=wlan-ng Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] adding scsi tape drive
On another system that I had, I did try and use makedev, but it did not work. It made the devices, but links were not made to correct locations I ended up rebuilding the system with the drive in and all went well. The system now sees the tape drive, there really ought to be a better way to add hardware to a Linux box without having to rebuild the system. Thanks again! Mike On Sat, 2003-02-15 at 17:32, g wrote: > g wrote: > > >> Michael Noble wrote: > >> harddrake2 does see the scsi contoller, where I am having difficulty is setting > >> up the device files in /dev for the tape drive. > > > > i have yet to setup a device file in linux, but many in unix. i will take > > a look to see what is required in linux. should not be all that different. > > and it is not. take a look at this, [incase you have not already] > > under kde, raise taskbar, click on: >start application | what to do | read documents | read kde documents | \ >unix manual pages | (8) sys. administration | makedev > > i tried it, but found that makedev was not installed. could also be why when i > tried 'man makedev', i got a 'not found'. so i did not go any further with it. > > > google should be a good place for a search. use advanced search > > and use words 'driver, linux, scsi, tape'. if you get a high hit > > count, add 'dat'. you could narrow further using 'dds' and 'adaptec'. > > enter words without ','. > > > perseverance. > > peace out. > > tc,hago. > > g > . > -- > think green... > save a tree, save a life, save time, save bandwidth, save storage. > send email... text/plain - disable pgp/gpg/geek code attachments > =+= > if you are proud to be an american, then buy "made in america". > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Michael Noble mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] OT tunning network
Well sorry for this Ot Question i have a 100mbps network utp cable 10/100 mbps switch hub 60 clients consisting of Linux , Windows & solaris O/S Dns is used for name resolution there is a local webserver "Apache" running on my network which provides large media files to clients as downloads... the problem that when clients downloads the download speed they get is ranging from 400kbps to 1.5 mbps .. both in rush hour & off hours . so i wanted to know is that normal ? if not then wat can be the problem & how can i fix it ? thankx for reading = *º¤., ¸¸,.¤º*¨¨¨*¤ Allah-hu-Akber*º¤., ¸¸,.¤º*¨¨*¤ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] wireless pain
Have you tried installing the wireless extensions rpm? Other than that i have no clue, havent played with wifi on linux. Rob >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Praedor Atrebates >> Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 12:53 PM >> To: Mandrake Expert >> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: [expert] wireless pain >> >> >> I finally went ahead and upgraded from MDK 8.2 to MDK 9.0 on my >> laptop (IBM >> Stinkpad 1412, Celeron). It installed just fine and everything >> is working OK >> except for wireless. >> >> I have 2 devices to play with: an Orinoco Gold and a Zoomair. >> Under 8.2 I had >> the Zoomair (prism2) working just fine. Under 9.0 I find it >> impossible to >> build the hostap driver and the wlan-ng driver just doesn't work >> at all - it >> doesn't appear to understand any wireless extension commands so >> I cannot set >> anything on the card. >> >> Under 9.0, the Orinoco gold card is accepted OK and the wvlan_cs >> module loads. >> I am able to set channel, mode, etc, with iwconfig. Problem is, >> even though >> I set the parameters to Ad-hoc, channel 6, and the proper essid >> and "iwconfig >> eth0" shows all the settings as what they should be, I get no >> communication >> with my desktop which has and has had for a long time a fully >> working WUSB11 >> set to Ad-hoc, channel 6, and the proper essid. They match in >> all necessary >> settings yet I am unable to ping or communicate between systems at all. >> >> Any ideas? Any suggestions? I have tried rebuilding wlan-ng drivers, >> altering the wireless.opts file, network.opts file, manually changing >> settings, all to no avail. I even reset my desktop wusb11. Nothing. >> Ad-hoc, same channel, same essid and no communication. >> >> praedor >> >> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] wireless pain
I finally went ahead and upgraded from MDK 8.2 to MDK 9.0 on my laptop (IBM Stinkpad 1412, Celeron). It installed just fine and everything is working OK except for wireless. I have 2 devices to play with: an Orinoco Gold and a Zoomair. Under 8.2 I had the Zoomair (prism2) working just fine. Under 9.0 I find it impossible to build the hostap driver and the wlan-ng driver just doesn't work at all - it doesn't appear to understand any wireless extension commands so I cannot set anything on the card. Under 9.0, the Orinoco gold card is accepted OK and the wvlan_cs module loads. I am able to set channel, mode, etc, with iwconfig. Problem is, even though I set the parameters to Ad-hoc, channel 6, and the proper essid and "iwconfig eth0" shows all the settings as what they should be, I get no communication with my desktop which has and has had for a long time a fully working WUSB11 set to Ad-hoc, channel 6, and the proper essid. They match in all necessary settings yet I am unable to ping or communicate between systems at all. Any ideas? Any suggestions? I have tried rebuilding wlan-ng drivers, altering the wireless.opts file, network.opts file, manually changing settings, all to no avail. I even reset my desktop wusb11. Nothing. Ad-hoc, same channel, same essid and no communication. praedor Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] More a KDE problem, I think
On Saturday 15 Feb 2003 12:18 am, Chuck Burns wrote: > On Sunday 16 February 2003 5:14 am, john wrote: > *snip* > > > Anne, > > > > I think this is what you need, > > Control Center > LookNFeel > Taskbar > > Uncheck the "Group similar tasks" box > > Now every instance of every kde app will appear as a seperate icon > > I'm sure you missed the point of her post. The way I read it, she wants to > group similar tasks, but doesnt think konqueror in root-mode should be > grouped with normal konqueror.. Spot on Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] RAID0/1 or RAID1/0 howto
On Saturday 15 February 2003 05:45 pm, gikoreno wrote: > Hey everyone: > > > > I would like to know if DiskDrake supports RAID0+1 or RAID1+0, and how I > can achieve these configurations using DiskDrake. > > > > If that can't be done, what's the easiest way I can implement these, since > I know the kernel supports at least one of these methods. > > I did check out the RAID Howto, and it's in Appendix C, but I am wondering > if there isn't another way of doing so that I can use while installing > Mandrake. > > > > Thanks, > > > > gikoreno > > > > > > > > ___ > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! No there is no support for RAID0+1 in diskdrake. you can set up this way in /etc/raidtab (I am assuming 4 drives for RAID10) raiddev /dev/md0 raid-level 0 nr-raid-disks 2 nr-spare-disks 0 chunk-size 64k persistent-superblock 1 device /dev/hde5 raid-disk 0 device /dev/hdf5 raid-disk 1 raiddev /dev/md1 raid-level 0 nr-raid-disks 2 nr-spare-disks 0 chunk-size 64k persistent-superblock 1 device /dev/hdg5 raid-disk 0 device /dev/hdh5 raid-disk 1 radidev /dev/md2 raid-level 1 nr-raid-disks 2 nr-spare-disks 0 persistent-superblock 1 device /dev/md0 raid-disk 0 device /dev/md1 raid-disk 1 Now it is VITAL that you access md2 and NEVER access md0 or md1 directly. you run in this order mkraid /dev/md0 mkraid /dev/md1 mkraid /dev/md2 The danger here is that md0 anfd md1 must be mounted but must NEVER be accessed directly. Sure and it is a RAID0+1 array, but the bastardized way of achieving it allows independent writing to the objects that are supposed to be mirrored. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KDE3.1 for MD >= 8.1?
On Sunday 16 February 2003 10:44 am, Guy Zelck wrote: > Hi, > > Simon Ree wrote: > >Guy Zelck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Hello all, > >> > >>Will there ever be a KDE3.1 version released for 8.x? > >> > >>I only now can say that I've got my 8.1 system like I want it to be. In > >>the mean time Mandrake raced versions, which in my view is crazy . > >>It's becoming more and more difficult to have recent versions of > >>programs. I find myself more and more rebuilding packages. A lot of > >>packages (libs) change names between versions and taking a recent spec > >>file to rebuild a package yourself is often hell as you have find out > >>what you need from scratch and change all required package names in the > >>spec. > > > >Why change to a new program version in the first place if you are happy > >using a old os version? > > Old? MD8.1 is from Sep 2001, that's 1.5 years old. Using KDE2.2 together > with all the other updates doesn't mean I have an old os. It's not > because every 6 mths there's a new version, that the previous 2 > versions are suddenly old. They overtook RH in version number, very > good Marketing wise, but not good for anything else. I think they have had a number above RH for some long time, "overtakeing" as long as three years ago is not anything new. > > You would advocate That mandrake should build > >packages for for all of their old versions? KDE 3.1 for v6 maybe? > > That's exagerating, that was not my question? A longer support period > would be more reasonable, say 3 years, certainly for substantial > packages. Creating a newer version less often would help, and instead > provide upgrade waves (service packs ;-) ) depending on the defination of "support" and what you thnk you should be intitled to when you get something that is available for free. Perhaps if you purchased the box version at a retail store in The USa you"might" have some beef worth bringing up with the vendor, (best buy?,or McMillian publishing? or whomever gave you the idea that this "free to download" product should have support provided for you. > >>Even guys that started of with 9.0 now have to be club members to get > >>kde3.1. this is just false. Please refrain form public statemants as "fact" unless you are prepared to provide public evidence to back up your statement. such "falsehoods" in other forums (about other products too) might be enough to get you sued for slander. the suit may not prevail, but you certianly could find yourself paying a lot in legal fees that you would never recover. > This is a sad development. I see Mandrake more and more slip > >>away from being a free os distributor. As I understand it, Mandrakesoft is a "for profit" company, and not a "free software distributor" I think that defination should be reserved for... say... the PLF. > I understand they have > >>difficulties so I payed for a regular membership myself for 2 years in > >>a row now. You get very little with this. But more and more the regular > >>users are left out. This is very sad I find. I starts to stink for $s. > > > >Cooker may be a choice for those who allways want the latest and > >supposidly greatest. Still free. > > Then I could have as well upgraded to 9.0. and it is free still for just the download > >>So I'm afraid there's little chance to get rpms from Mandrake for 8.x. > >>If there's no good soul in the community who put packages available I'm > >>in for an ordeal to get kde3.1 compiled and packaged for 8.1. > > > >Maybe you could build it? > > I'll have a go at it, sure. > > > I'm not saying mandrake shouldn't support old > >versions, but the old distro did not ship with the intention of being > >brought up the the latest level of every package. My Explorer came with > >a 5L V8, they now come with a 4.6L V8, should Ford provide me with a > >upgrade path other than purchasing a new one? > > Crummy comparison. > > Guy. _I_ will say they should not support older versions. I was going to go into my reasons, but I will leave that since it is worth discussing in a new thread or by personal offlist mail if anyone else cares enough to ask. Really, I think the reasons are self-evident to anyone that thinks about it for a few minutes. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Archiving Evolution mail
cheers(); > > > Ok I'm hitting a wall here with close to 200,000 e-mails in evolution > > > I'm at a point where I really need to be able to archive a ton of this > > > off. BUT I also need access to these without jumping through hoops. > > > Any suggestions on how to do this? To say the least evo's starting to > > > get very very slow. Any help will be very much appreciated. > > > > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution > > is probably the place to go. > > > > Two suggestions: > > - You can turn off indexing to reduce disc space. > Sure can't find this one... whee Is it my problem is mostly speed and > hanging right now. - Right Cick on any local folder (not IMAP) - choose Properties - uncheck 'Index body contents' If you can't get it fly, ask the mailing list I mentioned earlier. There are quite a lot of folks with several hundred thousand mails... karsten -- Davision - Atelier fuer Gestaltung / Internet / Multimedia UNIX / Linux Netzwerke und Schulungen - www.linux-campus.de Telefon 06151/17865 Fax 06151/178659 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [expert] KDE3.1 for MD >= 8.1
Hi, Charles A Edwards wrote: On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 09:29:37 -0500 Simon Ree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Maybe you could build it? Though it requires some time and effort kde-3.1 will build on 9.0, since 9.0 uses qt3 8.2 uses qt2, so unless you are a programmer and can re-write some of the code kde-3.1 can not be built nor will it run on 8.2. You would build it with qt3 ofcourse. Not try to build it with qt2, that would be very dumb or masochistic. If you consider upgrading to qt3 on 8.2 the easiest, simplest, and Safest approach is to upgrade the distro itself. The release candidate versions where available so why not the final version. I ran kde3.1 rc4 & qt3 for some time. Maybe it just a question of time. Guy. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KDE3.1 for MD >= 8.1?
Hi, Simon Ree wrote: Guy Zelck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello all, Will there ever be a KDE3.1 version released for 8.x? I only now can say that I've got my 8.1 system like I want it to be. In the mean time Mandrake raced versions, which in my view is crazy . It's becoming more and more difficult to have recent versions of programs. I find myself more and more rebuilding packages. A lot of packages (libs) change names between versions and taking a recent spec file to rebuild a package yourself is often hell as you have find out what you need from scratch and change all required package names in the spec. Why change to a new program version in the first place if you are happy using a old os version? Old? MD8.1 is from Sep 2001, that's 1.5 years old. Using KDE2.2 together with all the other updates doesn't mean I have an old os. It's not because every 6 mths there's a new version, that the previous 2 versions are suddenly old. They overtook RH in version number, very good Marketing wise, but not good for anything else. You would advocate That mandrake should build packages for for all of their old versions? KDE 3.1 for v6 maybe? That's exagerating, that was not my question? A longer support period would be more reasonable, say 3 years, certainly for substantial packages. Creating a newer version less often would help, and instead provide upgrade waves (service packs ;-) ) Even guys that started of with 9.0 now have to be club members to get kde3.1. This is a sad development. I see Mandrake more and more slip away from being a free os distributor. I understand they have difficulties so I payed for a regular membership myself for 2 years in a row now. You get very little with this. But more and more the regular users are left out. This is very sad I find. I starts to stink for $s. Cooker may be a choice for those who allways want the latest and supposidly greatest. Still free. Then I could have as well upgraded to 9.0. So I'm afraid there's little chance to get rpms from Mandrake for 8.x. If there's no good soul in the community who put packages available I'm in for an ordeal to get kde3.1 compiled and packaged for 8.1. Maybe you could build it? I'll have a go at it, sure. I'm not saying mandrake shouldn't support old versions, but the old distro did not ship with the intention of being brought up the the latest level of every package. My Explorer came with a 5L V8, they now come with a 4.6L V8, should Ford provide me with a upgrade path other than purchasing a new one? Crummy comparison. Guy. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] postfix sasl smpt auth problems
Sometime ago i had setup a mdk8.2 machine with postfix and sasl which worked great. Now I've got another machine where i installed mdk 9.0 and did the same configuration but when I try to telnet into the postfix server i get "535 Error: authentication failed": 220 server.home ESMTP Postfix (1.1.11) (Mandrake Linux)ehlo client.home 250-server.home250-PIPELINING250-SIZE 1024250-VRFY250-ETRN250-AUTH CRAM-MD5 LOGIN DIGEST-MD5 PLAIN250-AUTH=CRAM-MD5 LOGIN DIGEST-MD5 PLAIN250-XVERP250 8BITMIMEauth plain dGVzdGUAdGVzdGUAdGVzdGVwYXNz535 Error: authentication failed I've checked the password many times and it seems to be correct. Mailclients (outlook) also cannot login. I'm using the sasldb method. Does anyone has any ideas abou this? ___ Leonardo Sá Recife - PE - Brazil
Re: [expert] KDE3.1 for MD >= 8.1
On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 09:29:37 -0500 Simon Ree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe you could build it? Though it requires some time and effort kde-3.1 will build on 9.0, since 9.0 uses qt3 8.2 uses qt2, so unless you are a programmer and can re-write some of the code kde-3.1 can not be built nor will it run on 8.2. If you consider upgrading to qt3 on 8.2 the easiest, simplest, and Safest approach is to upgrade the distro itself. Charles -- The best portion of a good man's life, his little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and love. -- Wordsworth - Mandrake Linux 9.1 Kernel- 2.4.21pre4-6mdk - msg66100/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] KDE3.1 for MD >= 8.1?
Guy Zelck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello all, > > Will there ever be a KDE3.1 version released for 8.x? > > I only now can say that I've got my 8.1 system like I want it to be. In > the mean time Mandrake raced versions, which in my view is crazy . > It's becoming more and more difficult to have recent versions of > programs. I find myself more and more rebuilding packages. A lot of > packages (libs) change names between versions and taking a recent spec > file to rebuild a package yourself is often hell as you have find out > what you need from scratch and change all required package names in the > spec. Why change to a new program version in the first place if you are happy using a old os version? You would advocate That mandrake should build packages for for all of their old versions? KDE 3.1 for v6 maybe? > > Even guys that started of with 9.0 now have to be club members to get > kde3.1. This is a sad development. I see Mandrake more and more slip > away from being a free os distributor. I understand they have > difficulties so I payed for a regular membership myself for 2 years in > a row now. You get very little with this. But more and more the regular > users are left out. This is very sad I find. I starts to stink for $s. Cooker may be a choice for those who allways want the latest and supposidly greatest. Still free. > > So I'm afraid there's little chance to get rpms from Mandrake for 8.x. > If there's no good soul in the community who put packages available I'm > in for an ordeal to get kde3.1 compiled and packaged for 8.1. Maybe you could build it? I'm not saying mandrake shouldn't support old versions, but the old distro did not ship with the intention of being brought up the the latest level of every package. My Explorer came with a 5L V8, they now come with a 4.6L V8, should Ford provide me with a upgrade path other than purchasing a new one? > Guy. > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Simon Rée mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] openPGP key : http://www.codeford.com/simonree.asc -> Please Donate to the Canadian Cystic Fibrosis Foundation <- -> http://www.cysticfibrosis.ca <- msg66099/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] More a KDE problem, I think
On Sunday 16 February 2003 5:14 am, john wrote: *snip* > Anne, > > I think this is what you need, > Control Center > LookNFeel > Taskbar > Uncheck the "Group similar tasks" box > Now every instance of every kde app will appear as a seperate icon I'm sure you missed the point of her post. The way I read it, she wants to group similar tasks, but doesnt think konqueror in root-mode should be grouped with normal konqueror.. -- Chuck Burns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KDE3.1 for MD >= 8.1?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 16 February 2003 07:00 am, Guy Zelck wrote: > Hello all, > > Will there ever be a KDE3.1 version released for 8.x? > You are using an operating sytem that will become unsupported on March31, 2003. About 45 days from now. I don't think you are ging to see any effort to add non-security related enhancements to 8.1. If you want KDE3.1, you're going to have to upgrade the entire distro. - -- Greg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+T5e1Gu5uuMFlL5MRAmWoAJ474olAdkb0ns1h1ASFCfbylpvGQACeK96M /WRs6Mw85MyewLVGK8Y1EUU= =jTq7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] KDE3.1 for MD >= 8.1?
Hello all, Will there ever be a KDE3.1 version released for 8.x? I only now can say that I've got my 8.1 system like I want it to be. In the mean time Mandrake raced versions, which in my view is crazy . It's becoming more and more difficult to have recent versions of programs. I find myself more and more rebuilding packages. A lot of packages (libs) change names between versions and taking a recent spec file to rebuild a package yourself is often hell as you have find out what you need from scratch and change all required package names in the spec. Even guys that started of with 9.0 now have to be club members to get kde3.1. This is a sad development. I see Mandrake more and more slip away from being a free os distributor. I understand they have difficulties so I payed for a regular membership myself for 2 years in a row now. You get very little with this. But more and more the regular users are left out. This is very sad I find. I starts to stink for $s. So I'm afraid there's little chance to get rpms from Mandrake for 8.x. If there's no good soul in the community who put packages available I'm in for an ordeal to get kde3.1 compiled and packaged for 8.1. Guy. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] More a KDE problem, I think
On Sunday 16 Feb 2003 11:14 am, john wrote: > On Saturday 15 Feb 2003 H:49 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: > > One thing that winds me up is that I can open Konq as a user, then open a > > super-user window, and they stack up under one icon on the task bar. I > > can see no indication that they are any different, which means that If I > > don't close the su one immediately I can forget that it is open. I > > really don't like this. Surely there ought to be some way of > > differentiating them? > > > > Anne > > Anne, > > I think this is what you need, > Control Center > LookNFeel > Taskbar > Uncheck the "Group similar tasks" box > Now every instance of every kde app will appear as a seperate icon Thanks, I'll try that. It's kludge, I feel, as I quite like having all Moz windows under one icon, but if it makes me more secure I'll live with it. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] More a KDE problem, I think
On Saturday 15 Feb 2003 H:49 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: > One thing that winds me up is that I can open Konq as a user, then open a > super-user window, and they stack up under one icon on the task bar. I can > see no indication that they are any different, which means that If I don't > close the su one immediately I can forget that it is open. I really don't > like this. Surely there ought to be some way of differentiating them? > > Anne Anne, I think this is what you need, Control Center > LookNFeel > Taskbar Uncheck the "Group similar tasks" box Now every instance of every kde app will appear as a seperate icon Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] how to print 4 pdf pages on 1 printer page?
Yeah, I noticed that, as I mentioned in my original mail, but that didn't work well... In the end, I managed to do it with mpage: mpage -a -o -R -m50 tools1.ps > fix.ps Cheers, Hans On Sun, 2003-02-16 at 11:28, Guy Van Sanden wrote: > Easy, just open the pdf with kprinter, and select the option... > works right away on PDF files. > > On Sat, 2003-02-15 at 23:53, Erik Laxdal wrote: > > On Saturday 15 February 2003 12:49 pm, SainTiss wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I'm looking for an application which can handle "resizing" pages of a > > > pdf document, so that when printing it, there'd be let's say 4 pages on > > > each printer page... > > > > > > Acroread, kghostview, nor ghostview seem to be able to do that... > > > > > > Well, actually, kghostview can in theory, since there is such a setting > > > in the printer dialog, but it's just being done the wrong way, with > > > pages cut in half and such... > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Hans > > > > Why not use the command line method. With whatever tool you like to use, > > convert the .pdf file to a .ps file (printing the .pdf to a file from > > Acroread will do). Then at the command line use the following commands. > > > > To convert your .ps so there are 4 logical pages to 1 physical page use: > > psnup -4 infile.ps outfile.ps > > depending upon your page sizes you may need to add input/output page size and > > orientation parameters. Check the man page (man psnup) for these, as there > > are many possible combinations. > > > > Then you can either view the output file (to ensure it is correct) and print > > from there or just print the file from the command line as follows: > > lpr outfile.ps > > > > Erik > > > > > > > > __ > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates? Hans Schippers 1LIC INF UIA 2002-2003 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[expert] GTK2 apps in KDE (3.0.5)
Hello I run KDE 3.0.5 with Liquid style as my main Desktop Environment. I have AquaGraphite style set for my GTK1 applications (Like evolution) to make my desktop look consistent. But I seem to have problems doing something similar for GTK2 apps (which the next version of Evolution will be BTW...). I tried a suggestion from some Gnome mailing list to run 'gnome-settings-daemon'. If I do this, my GTK2 apps get themed, but I lose control over my KDE desktop (Icons disappear, Gnome wallpaper gets set, taskbar is not responding). Help! ;-) King regards Guy -- Guy Van Sanden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [expert] how to print 4 pdf pages on 1 printer page?
Easy, just open the pdf with kprinter, and select the option... works right away on PDF files. On Sat, 2003-02-15 at 23:53, Erik Laxdal wrote: > On Saturday 15 February 2003 12:49 pm, SainTiss wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm looking for an application which can handle "resizing" pages of a > > pdf document, so that when printing it, there'd be let's say 4 pages on > > each printer page... > > > > Acroread, kghostview, nor ghostview seem to be able to do that... > > > > Well, actually, kghostview can in theory, since there is such a setting > > in the printer dialog, but it's just being done the wrong way, with > > pages cut in half and such... > > > > Thanks > > > > Hans > > Why not use the command line method. With whatever tool you like to use, > convert the .pdf file to a .ps file (printing the .pdf to a file from > Acroread will do). Then at the command line use the following commands. > > To convert your .ps so there are 4 logical pages to 1 physical page use: > psnup -4 infile.ps outfile.ps > depending upon your page sizes you may need to add input/output page size and > orientation parameters. Check the man page (man psnup) for these, as there > are many possible combinations. > > Then you can either view the output file (to ensure it is correct) and print > from there or just print the file from the command line as follows: > lpr outfile.ps > > Erik > > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Guy Van Sanden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [expert] Xnest questions
all, Sorry about the triple send I'm running cooker here and evo is having trouble with screen paints I click it does and I get no feedback what so ever.. again sorry. On Sun, 2003-02-16 at 02:02, James Sparenberg wrote: > On Sat, 2003-02-15 at 07:20, Jack Coates wrote: > > On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 23:18, James Sparenberg wrote: > > > On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 21:16, Jack Coates wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 20:43, James Sparenberg wrote: > > > > ... > > > > > I do this with VNC all the time. My desktop runs tight vnc but only > > > > > inits to run level 3 ... then from work etc I can get into it no > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS rfbdrake and Remote Desktop Connection both provide access this way > > > > > ... and it's a heck of a lot less bandwidth hungry than normal X. > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > ooh boy, a religious war! heh-heh :-) Actually VNC does use less > > > > bandwidth, but X is still more responsive for me, even over relatively > > > > low-bandwidth high-latency links, because X isn't doing the screen > > > > scrape and poll-my-mouse crud. Now if you're using a pixmapped theme and > > > > the pixmaps are all on the other end of a modem... > > > > > > Of course a religious war. Whatdya expect form an old alterboy! > > > *grin*. The reasons you don't like VNC is why IMHO MDK had the wisdom > > > to switch to tightVNC. It doesn't do the poll-my-mouse crud (The > > > concept is the mouse is on the local box why draw it twice. So they use > > > a 1x1px spot on the screen at the tip of your local mouse. I've used it > > > over a 56k connection with iceWM as the wm and it was a bit clunky but > > > faster than pcNowhere on Broadband and screen updates paints and lauches > > > where much faster. > > > > > > James > > > > does the Windows port of VNC support this? I've only used VNC to view > > Windows boxen from Linux, and it's always godawful, even over a LAN. I > > can't use my Linux programs while I'm using vncviewer because any > > overlap of windows causes the whole VNC session to repaint itself for 90 > > seconds. > > If by this you mean tightVNC yes there is a windows setup for it. Both > Server and client are available. In fact in many ways it's a better UI > than the Linux version. Only thing I've found is that like all windwoze > apps it tend to be a bit more ram intensive. > > > > rdesktop is a lot better, if the remote machine is W2K and has > > Citrix^H^H^H^H^H^HTerminal Services installed. > > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Archiving Evolution mail
On Sat, 2003-02-15 at 06:20, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: > cheers(); > > > Ok I'm hitting a wall here with close to 200,000 e-mails in evolution > > I'm at a point where I really need to be able to archive a ton of this > > off. BUT I also need access to these without jumping through hoops. > > Any suggestions on how to do this? To say the least evo's starting to > > get very very slow. Any help will be very much appreciated. > > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution > is probably the place to go. > > Two suggestions: > - You can turn off indexing to reduce disc space. Sure can't find this one... whee Is it my problem is mostly speed and hanging right now. > - vFolders seem to be greedy > > karsten > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Xnest questions
On Sat, 2003-02-15 at 07:20, Jack Coates wrote: > On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 23:18, James Sparenberg wrote: > > On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 21:16, Jack Coates wrote: > > > On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 20:43, James Sparenberg wrote: > > > ... > > > > I do this with VNC all the time. My desktop runs tight vnc but only > > > > inits to run level 3 ... then from work etc I can get into it no > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > PS rfbdrake and Remote Desktop Connection both provide access this way > > > > ... and it's a heck of a lot less bandwidth hungry than normal X. > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > ooh boy, a religious war! heh-heh :-) Actually VNC does use less > > > bandwidth, but X is still more responsive for me, even over relatively > > > low-bandwidth high-latency links, because X isn't doing the screen > > > scrape and poll-my-mouse crud. Now if you're using a pixmapped theme and > > > the pixmaps are all on the other end of a modem... > > > > Of course a religious war. Whatdya expect form an old alterboy! > > *grin*. The reasons you don't like VNC is why IMHO MDK had the wisdom > > to switch to tightVNC. It doesn't do the poll-my-mouse crud (The > > concept is the mouse is on the local box why draw it twice. So they use > > a 1x1px spot on the screen at the tip of your local mouse. I've used it > > over a 56k connection with iceWM as the wm and it was a bit clunky but > > faster than pcNowhere on Broadband and screen updates paints and lauches > > where much faster. > > > > James > > does the Windows port of VNC support this? I've only used VNC to view > Windows boxen from Linux, and it's always godawful, even over a LAN. I > can't use my Linux programs while I'm using vncviewer because any > overlap of windows causes the whole VNC session to repaint itself for 90 > seconds. If by this you mean tightVNC yes there is a windows setup for it. Both Server and client are available. In fact in many ways it's a better UI than the Linux version. Only thing I've found is that like all windwoze apps it tend to be a bit more ram intensive. > > rdesktop is a lot better, if the remote machine is W2K and has > Citrix^H^H^H^H^H^HTerminal Services installed. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Xnest questions
On Sat, 2003-02-15 at 07:20, Jack Coates wrote: > On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 23:18, James Sparenberg wrote: > > On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 21:16, Jack Coates wrote: > > > On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 20:43, James Sparenberg wrote: > > > ... > > > > I do this with VNC all the time. My desktop runs tight vnc but only > > > > inits to run level 3 ... then from work etc I can get into it no > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > PS rfbdrake and Remote Desktop Connection both provide access this way > > > > ... and it's a heck of a lot less bandwidth hungry than normal X. > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > ooh boy, a religious war! heh-heh :-) Actually VNC does use less > > > bandwidth, but X is still more responsive for me, even over relatively > > > low-bandwidth high-latency links, because X isn't doing the screen > > > scrape and poll-my-mouse crud. Now if you're using a pixmapped theme and > > > the pixmaps are all on the other end of a modem... > > > > Of course a religious war. Whatdya expect form an old alterboy! > > *grin*. The reasons you don't like VNC is why IMHO MDK had the wisdom > > to switch to tightVNC. It doesn't do the poll-my-mouse crud (The > > concept is the mouse is on the local box why draw it twice. So they use > > a 1x1px spot on the screen at the tip of your local mouse. I've used it > > over a 56k connection with iceWM as the wm and it was a bit clunky but > > faster than pcNowhere on Broadband and screen updates paints and lauches > > where much faster. > > > > James > > does the Windows port of VNC support this? I've only used VNC to view > Windows boxen from Linux, and it's always godawful, even over a LAN. I > can't use my Linux programs while I'm using vncviewer because any > overlap of windows causes the whole VNC session to repaint itself for 90 > seconds. If by this you mean tightVNC yes there is a windows setup for it. Both Server and client are available. In fact in many ways it's a better UI than the Linux version. Only thing I've found is that like all windwoze apps it tend to be a bit more ram intensive. > > rdesktop is a lot better, if the remote machine is W2K and has > Citrix^H^H^H^H^H^HTerminal Services installed. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Xnest questions
On Sat, 2003-02-15 at 07:20, Jack Coates wrote: > On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 23:18, James Sparenberg wrote: > > On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 21:16, Jack Coates wrote: > > > On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 20:43, James Sparenberg wrote: > > > ... > > > > I do this with VNC all the time. My desktop runs tight vnc but only > > > > inits to run level 3 ... then from work etc I can get into it no > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > PS rfbdrake and Remote Desktop Connection both provide access this way > > > > ... and it's a heck of a lot less bandwidth hungry than normal X. > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > ooh boy, a religious war! heh-heh :-) Actually VNC does use less > > > bandwidth, but X is still more responsive for me, even over relatively > > > low-bandwidth high-latency links, because X isn't doing the screen > > > scrape and poll-my-mouse crud. Now if you're using a pixmapped theme and > > > the pixmaps are all on the other end of a modem... > > > > Of course a religious war. Whatdya expect form an old alterboy! > > *grin*. The reasons you don't like VNC is why IMHO MDK had the wisdom > > to switch to tightVNC. It doesn't do the poll-my-mouse crud (The > > concept is the mouse is on the local box why draw it twice. So they use > > a 1x1px spot on the screen at the tip of your local mouse. I've used it > > over a 56k connection with iceWM as the wm and it was a bit clunky but > > faster than pcNowhere on Broadband and screen updates paints and lauches > > where much faster. > > > > James > > does the Windows port of VNC support this? I've only used VNC to view > Windows boxen from Linux, and it's always godawful, even over a LAN. I > can't use my Linux programs while I'm using vncviewer because any > overlap of windows causes the whole VNC session to repaint itself for 90 > seconds. If by this you mean tightVNC yes there is a windows setup for it. Both Server and client are available. In fact in many ways it's a better UI than the Linux version. Only thing I've found is that like all windwoze apps it tend to be a bit more ram intensive. > > rdesktop is a lot better, if the remote machine is W2K and has > Citrix^H^H^H^H^H^HTerminal Services installed. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
