Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 00:16, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Wednesday 01 Oct 2003 4:33 am, James Sparenberg wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 16:34, John Wilson wrote: > > > On September 30, 2003 12:07 am, Anne Wilson wrote: > > > > > Have yoiu reported this to the Mozilla developers? > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > You know I should because it appears to be some old leftover code > > > from Netscape days that's doing this. The same problem rose it's > > > ugly head with NS 4.2 and earlier. Something goes absolutely > > > haywire (not Mac) with the code when it runs amok and it seems to > > > start depositing things all over the place. The problem was much > > > more pronounced in Winblows (of course :) ) than in Linux. > > > > > > Next time it crashes and leaves one of these puppies around I'll > > > send it off to the developers. > > > > > > ttfn > > > > > > John > > > > Yes I did back in the 0.6.x days. I've always been convinced it > > was a java related problem. Not sure. Problem is. They couldn't > > duplicate the problem and I couldn't send them the file that is > > hosed. Kinda hard to troubleshoot when you can't duplicate the > > bug. > > > > James > > You mean that the hosed file couldn't be read enough to attach? > > Anne yep. Sat there like a rock on the hdd. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 11:38 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: > Dark, > > Another possibility that Mail-old is sitting on a bad sector. > Either bad as in physically bad or bad as in the sense that it's lost > it's connection to reality. > > James Yep, although it is a fairly new 80 gig Maxtor drive. Of course, anything tis possible. Anyways - doing a clean/full install of 9.2 when I get it should take care of it. I've got everything important backed up so... See ya! -- /\ Dark>Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 05:35 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote: > I saw a message where you had tried rm and it said you didn't have > permission, I did not see the ones where it was giving you a hard reset of > the system. Sorry. No problem. :-) > You coming up in init 5 or 3. I mean, graphical login or CL login? If KDE > is up and active, could explain why trying to get rid of an active and open > directory is causing problems. Tried both 5 and 3, even booted into single-user mode. Also from one of the other messages: -- I'm using reiserfs everywhere. I had Kmail crash once, and since then, I've not been able to use /home/darklord/Mail. I tried deleting it, it caused the system to reboot. I tried deleting it as root, it caused the system to reboot. Running "updatedb" caused the system to reboot. Anocron/cron running (and I'm assuming thus updating the DB) caused it to reboot. I tried using a rescue disk and mounting the partition then deleting it, caused the system to reboot. I tried deleting the inodes - operation not permitted. I tried dropping to and/or booting into single user mode and deleting it - caused the system to reboot. -- > You could always boot up in single user mode, init 1 and then try to remove > it there. Although, if the directory is actually active and in use, > removing it might be a mistake. No its not active - I did this: -- I was able (go figure!!!) to "mv Mail .Mail-old". Then, I set the slocate/updatedb conf file to ignore my /home/darklord stuff. I turned Anacron off, and run the "updatedb" command when ever it reminds me that more than 8 days have passed. I reran Kmail and it setup a new Mail directory in /home/darklord and its been fine since. Fortunately for me, I've got an 80 gig hard drive, so the space taken by .Mail-old doesn't hurt. -- > Curious if you might be storing a lock file there rather than /var/subsys > for some KDE process > > Have you tried doing a ls -a from within that directory to see what is in > there? Sure did. Nothing looks suspect, all permissions look above-board. You might like this part, I can't go into "sent-mail" in .Mail-old using KDE without it hard resetting. Like I said, can't wait to get 9.2, format/repartition everything (esp /home!) and send that cursed directory to bit-bucket Hell... Thanks for your input though. -- /\ Dark>Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On Wednesday 01 Oct 2003 4:33 am, James Sparenberg wrote: > On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 16:34, John Wilson wrote: > > On September 30, 2003 12:07 am, Anne Wilson wrote: > > > Have yoiu reported this to the Mozilla developers? > > > > > > Anne > > > > You know I should because it appears to be some old leftover code > > from Netscape days that's doing this. The same problem rose it's > > ugly head with NS 4.2 and earlier. Something goes absolutely > > haywire (not Mac) with the code when it runs amok and it seems to > > start depositing things all over the place. The problem was much > > more pronounced in Winblows (of course :) ) than in Linux. > > > > Next time it crashes and leaves one of these puppies around I'll > > send it off to the developers. > > > > ttfn > > > > John > > Yes I did back in the 0.6.x days. I've always been convinced it > was a java related problem. Not sure. Problem is. They couldn't > duplicate the problem and I couldn't send them the file that is > hosed. Kinda hard to troubleshoot when you can't duplicate the > bug. > > James You mean that the hosed file couldn't be read enough to attach? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 00:40, me wrote: > On Monday 29 September 2003 09:26 pm, Damian Gatabria wrote: > > WAIT!! this gives me an idea.. :oP > > since you could move the file.. how about mv .Mail-old /dev/null ?? > > > > Same for you Jack, try `mv chrome /dev/null` > > > > ... /dev/null being in a different partition, i doubt it will > > actually work, but what the hell.. > > > > HTH > > > > Damian > > Nope didnt work still said permission denied. > > Jack > Dark, Another possibility that Mail-old is sitting on a bad sector. Either bad as in physically bad or bad as in the sense that it's lost it's connection to reality. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 16:34, John Wilson wrote: > On September 30, 2003 12:07 am, Anne Wilson wrote: > > On Tuesday 30 Sep 2003 4:19 am, John Wilson wrote: > > > > I'm totally on reiserFS and have never experienced this problem > > > except with Mozilla. Mozilla has also caused the same kinda > > > problem with ext2 and ext3. My best guess is that it's a messed up > > > file that Mozilla was trying to write as it ran wild and I had to > > > kill it cause that's when this mess appears. It also happens with > > > Galleon, btw. > > > > > > I've also had to go the route James has which is why my day to day > > > browser is Konq now. > > > > > > ttfn > > > > > > John > > > > Have yoiu reported this to the Mozilla developers? > > > > Anne > > You know I should because it appears to be some old leftover code from > Netscape days that's doing this. The same problem rose it's ugly head with > NS 4.2 and earlier. Something goes absolutely haywire (not Mac) with the > code when it runs amok and it seems to start depositing things all over the > place. The problem was much more pronounced in Winblows (of course :) ) than > in Linux. > > Next time it crashes and leaves one of these puppies around I'll send it off > to the developers. > > ttfn > > John Yes I did back in the 0.6.x days. I've always been convinced it was a java related problem. Not sure. Problem is. They couldn't duplicate the problem and I couldn't send them the file that is hosed. Kinda hard to troubleshoot when you can't duplicate the bug. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 20:19, John Wilson wrote: > On September 29, 2003 11:41 am, Richard Urwin wrote: > > On Monday 29 Sep 2003 3:38 pm, Jack Coates wrote: > > > On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 08:20, James Sparenberg wrote: > > > > > > > > > Haven't had it do to reiser but I've sure had it happen do to Mozzila. > > > > I have to do an rm -Rf .mozilla about once every 2 months and then move > > > > my backup of bookmarks and cookie (do not set) files back over. 2 > > > > times now it's created a file I couldn't remove. Except by a 3rd party > > > > (rescue disk) boot and removal. > > > > > > > > James > > > > > > mine was a mozilla cache file too, now that I think about it. So the > > > problem that I experienced in that case probably wasn't reiserfs, but > > > reiserfsck. > > > > > > That said, once you've had to rebuild and restore an 8x72GB RAID5 > > > production array during business hours because the filesystem caused a > > > kernel panic under load, you tend to cast a hairy eyeball toward that > > > file system... > > > http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/3455/2003/7/0/10528457/ > > > > Thanks people. I've just done a complete reinstall and moved over to 99% > > reiserFS. ;-( > > I'm totally on reiserFS and have never experienced this problem except with > Mozilla. Mozilla has also caused the same kinda problem with ext2 and ext3. > My best guess is that it's a messed up file that Mozilla was trying to write > as it ran wild and I had to kill it cause that's when this mess appears. It > also happens with Galleon, btw. > > I've also had to go the route James has which is why my day to day browser is > Konq now. > > ttfn > > John Had it happen today. On ext3 btw RH box used in our "demo" section. seems it just didn't want me to move the file. FTP "stuttered" during a file transfer and poof I have an unreadable unusable file. Doing the rescue disk I was able to remove it. In fact just for fun I copied the hosed file to another directory and guess what.. Yep 2 hosed files! Dunno. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On September 30, 2003 12:07 am, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Tuesday 30 Sep 2003 4:19 am, John Wilson wrote: > > I'm totally on reiserFS and have never experienced this problem > > except with Mozilla. Mozilla has also caused the same kinda > > problem with ext2 and ext3. My best guess is that it's a messed up > > file that Mozilla was trying to write as it ran wild and I had to > > kill it cause that's when this mess appears. It also happens with > > Galleon, btw. > > > > I've also had to go the route James has which is why my day to day > > browser is Konq now. > > > > ttfn > > > > John > > Have yoiu reported this to the Mozilla developers? > > Anne You know I should because it appears to be some old leftover code from Netscape days that's doing this. The same problem rose it's ugly head with NS 4.2 and earlier. Something goes absolutely haywire (not Mac) with the code when it runs amok and it seems to start depositing things all over the place. The problem was much more pronounced in Winblows (of course :) ) than in Linux. Next time it crashes and leaves one of these puppies around I'll send it off to the developers. ttfn John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 04:55 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: > On Tuesday 30 September 2003 10:33 am, Bryan Phinney wrote: > > or as Root "rm -rf .Mail-old" from the directory it is in. I am not > > aware of anything that an rm -rf won't get rid of. Just be sure you want > > to do it and that you specify exactly what you want to target. > > Umm, have you read the earlier messages in this thread? (not being a > smart-aleck - just curious) because you'd see where everytime I try to rm > this directory I get a hard reset of the entire system. I saw a message where you had tried rm and it said you didn't have permission, I did not see the ones where it was giving you a hard reset of the system. Sorry. > > Been awhile since I done it, I guess you can see my reluctance but what the > hey, nothing exciting happening here today: > > BOOM! Same result. I closed everything I could before I tried it - system > hard reset/rebooted and I lost all my Kmail settings. (redoing them now). > > Guess its the one critter "rm" can't handle, eh? > > Can't wait for 9.2, I'm gonna send .Mail-old to bit-bucket Hell. :-) You coming up in init 5 or 3. I mean, graphical login or CL login? If KDE is up and active, could explain why trying to get rid of an active and open directory is causing problems. You could always boot up in single user mode, init 1 and then try to remove it there. Although, if the directory is actually active and in use, removing it might be a mistake. Curious if you might be storing a lock file there rather than /var/subsys for some KDE process Have you tried doing a ls -a from within that directory to see what is in there? -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 10:33 am, Bryan Phinney wrote: > or as Root "rm -rf .Mail-old" from the directory it is in. I am not aware > of anything that an rm -rf won't get rid of. Just be sure you want to do > it and that you specify exactly what you want to target. Umm, have you read the earlier messages in this thread? (not being a smart-aleck - just curious) because you'd see where everytime I try to rm this directory I get a hard reset of the entire system. Been awhile since I done it, I guess you can see my reluctance but what the hey, nothing exciting happening here today: BOOM! Same result. I closed everything I could before I tried it - system hard reset/rebooted and I lost all my Kmail settings. (redoing them now). Guess its the one critter "rm" can't handle, eh? Can't wait for 9.2, I'm gonna send .Mail-old to bit-bucket Hell. :-) -- /\ Dark>Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 10:24 am, ed tharp wrote: > have you considered this " mv .Mail-old/ /dev/null/" Only the last slash as a diff? Well, I tried it, as user and root - same result. Thanks for the suggestion though. -- /\ Dark>Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 10:24 am, ed tharp wrote: > On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 08:47, Ronald J. Hall wrote: > > On Monday 29 September 2003 10:26 pm, Damian Gatabria wrote: > > > WAIT!! this gives me an idea.. :oP > > > since you could move the file.. how about mv .Mail-old /dev/null ?? > > > > > > Same for you Jack, try `mv chrome /dev/null` > > > > > > ... /dev/null being in a different partition, i doubt it will > > > actually work, but what the hell.. > > > > > > HTH > > > > > > Damian > > > > Nice try, I believe I did get that suggestion before - here is the > > result: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] darklord]$ mv .Mail-old/ /dev/null > > mv: cannot overwrite non-directory `/dev/null' with directory > > `.Mail-old/' > > > > ditto as root. :-) > > have you considered this " mv .Mail-old/ /dev/null/" or as Root "rm -rf .Mail-old" from the directory it is in. I am not aware of anything that an rm -rf won't get rid of. Just be sure you want to do it and that you specify exactly what you want to target. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 08:47, Ronald J. Hall wrote: > On Monday 29 September 2003 10:26 pm, Damian Gatabria wrote: > > > WAIT!! this gives me an idea.. :oP > > since you could move the file.. how about mv .Mail-old /dev/null ?? > > > > Same for you Jack, try `mv chrome /dev/null` > > > > ... /dev/null being in a different partition, i doubt it will > > actually work, but what the hell.. > > > > HTH > > > > Damian > > Nice try, I believe I did get that suggestion before - here is the result: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] darklord]$ mv .Mail-old/ /dev/null > mv: cannot overwrite non-directory `/dev/null' with directory `.Mail-old/' > > ditto as root. :-) have you considered this " mv .Mail-old/ /dev/null/" -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On Monday 29 September 2003 10:26 pm, Damian Gatabria wrote: > WAIT!! this gives me an idea.. :oP > since you could move the file.. how about mv .Mail-old /dev/null ?? > > Same for you Jack, try `mv chrome /dev/null` > > ... /dev/null being in a different partition, i doubt it will > actually work, but what the hell.. > > HTH > > Damian Nice try, I believe I did get that suggestion before - here is the result: [EMAIL PROTECTED] darklord]$ mv .Mail-old/ /dev/null mv: cannot overwrite non-directory `/dev/null' with directory `.Mail-old/' ditto as root. :-) -- /\ Dark>Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File SOLVED
Ok thank you for all the suggestions, they were more than I knew to try. I accidentally stumbled onto the solution. I booted to a backup version of 9.1 I have on a little drive, loaded the raid drivers and tried to delete the file, still no progress. Over the past couple of days I've tried to run fsck but it always says its clean. Looked on the man page and there was my answer. fsck -f I got tons of really strange errors, after all was said and done, fsck somehow made the file dissappear. Jack Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On Monday 29 September 2003 10:20 am, James Sparenberg wrote: > Haven't had it do to reiser but I've sure had it happen do to Mozzila. > I have to do an rm -Rf .mozilla about once every 2 months and then move > my backup of bookmarks and cookie (do not set) files back over. 2 times > now it's created a file I couldn't remove. Except by a 3rd party > (rescue disk) boot and removal. > > James Still couldnt delete it under a rescue disk. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On Monday 29 September 2003 09:26 pm, Damian Gatabria wrote: > WAIT!! this gives me an idea.. :oP > since you could move the file.. how about mv .Mail-old /dev/null ?? > > Same for you Jack, try `mv chrome /dev/null` > > ... /dev/null being in a different partition, i doubt it will > actually work, but what the hell.. > > HTH > > Damian Nope didnt work still said permission denied. Jack Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On Tuesday 30 Sep 2003 4:19 am, John Wilson wrote: > On September 29, 2003 11:41 am, Richard Urwin wrote: > > On Monday 29 Sep 2003 3:38 pm, Jack Coates wrote: > > > On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 08:20, James Sparenberg wrote: > > > > > > > Haven't had it do to reiser but I've sure had it happen do to > > > > Mozzila. I have to do an rm -Rf .mozilla about once every 2 > > > > months and then move my backup of bookmarks and cookie (do > > > > not set) files back over. 2 times now it's created a file I > > > > couldn't remove. Except by a 3rd party (rescue disk) boot > > > > and removal. > > > > > > > > James > > > > > > mine was a mozilla cache file too, now that I think about it. > > > So the problem that I experienced in that case probably wasn't > > > reiserfs, but reiserfsck. > > > > > > That said, once you've had to rebuild and restore an 8x72GB > > > RAID5 production array during business hours because the > > > filesystem caused a kernel panic under load, you tend to cast a > > > hairy eyeball toward that file system... > > > http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/3455/2003/7/0/10528457/ > > > > Thanks people. I've just done a complete reinstall and moved over > > to 99% reiserFS. ;-( > > I'm totally on reiserFS and have never experienced this problem > except with Mozilla. Mozilla has also caused the same kinda > problem with ext2 and ext3. My best guess is that it's a messed up > file that Mozilla was trying to write as it ran wild and I had to > kill it cause that's when this mess appears. It also happens with > Galleon, btw. > > I've also had to go the route James has which is why my day to day > browser is Konq now. > > ttfn > > John Have yoiu reported this to the Mozilla developers? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On Tuesday 30 Sep 2003 3:19 am, John Wilson wrote: > On September 29, 2003 11:41 am, Richard Urwin wrote: > > Thanks people. I've just done a complete reinstall and moved over to 99% > > reiserFS. ;-( > > I'm totally on reiserFS and have never experienced this problem except with > Mozilla. Mozilla has also caused the same kinda problem with ext2 and > ext3. My best guess is that it's a messed up file that Mozilla was trying > to write as it ran wild and I had to kill it cause that's when this mess > appears. It also happens with Galleon, btw. > > I've also had to go the route James has which is why my day to day browser > is Konq now. I supose if the worst happens then I wont lose much. I use Kmail for mail. I might even get to learn how Reiser works and hack it out with a sector editor. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On September 29, 2003 11:41 am, Richard Urwin wrote: > On Monday 29 Sep 2003 3:38 pm, Jack Coates wrote: > > On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 08:20, James Sparenberg wrote: > > > > > > Haven't had it do to reiser but I've sure had it happen do to Mozzila. > > > I have to do an rm -Rf .mozilla about once every 2 months and then move > > > my backup of bookmarks and cookie (do not set) files back over. 2 > > > times now it's created a file I couldn't remove. Except by a 3rd party > > > (rescue disk) boot and removal. > > > > > > James > > > > mine was a mozilla cache file too, now that I think about it. So the > > problem that I experienced in that case probably wasn't reiserfs, but > > reiserfsck. > > > > That said, once you've had to rebuild and restore an 8x72GB RAID5 > > production array during business hours because the filesystem caused a > > kernel panic under load, you tend to cast a hairy eyeball toward that > > file system... > > http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/3455/2003/7/0/10528457/ > > Thanks people. I've just done a complete reinstall and moved over to 99% > reiserFS. ;-( I'm totally on reiserFS and have never experienced this problem except with Mozilla. Mozilla has also caused the same kinda problem with ext2 and ext3. My best guess is that it's a messed up file that Mozilla was trying to write as it ran wild and I had to kill it cause that's when this mess appears. It also happens with Galleon, btw. I've also had to go the route James has which is why my day to day browser is Konq now. ttfn John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
El lun, 29-09-2003 a las 15:24, Ronald J. Hall escribió: > On Monday 29 September 2003 01:59 pm, me wrote: > > > Thank you for the suggestion. > > Jack > > Hi. I don't think I can offer a solution for your "undeletable file" but I > sure can sympathise. I have/had the same problem, only its a directory. > > I'm using reiserfs everywhere. I had Kmail crash once, and since then, I've > not been able to use /home/darklord/Mail. I tried deleting it, it caused the > system to reboot. I tried deleting it as root, it caused the system to > reboot. Running "updatedb" caused the system to reboot. Anocron/cron running > (and I'm assuming thus updating the DB) caused it to reboot. I tried using a > rescue disk and mounting the partition then deleting it, caused the system to > reboot. I tried deleting the inodes - operation not permitted. I tried > dropping to and/or booting into single user mode and deleting it - caused the > system to reboot. > > So here is what I finally did: > > I was able (go figure!!!) to "mv Mail .Mail-old". Then, I set the > slocate/updatedb conf file to ignore my /home/darklord stuff. > I turned Anacron off, and run the "updatedb" command when ever it reminds me > that more than 8 days have passed. I reran Kmail and it setup a new Mail > directory in /home/darklord and its been fine since. > > Fortunately for me, I've got an 80 gig hard drive, so the space taken by > .Mail-old doesn't hurt. > > I've been waiting to install v9.2 so I format/partition/frag everything on my > hard drive, and send .Mail-old to Hell . I've already backed up > everything pertinent. > > Good luck. WAIT!! this gives me an idea.. :oP since you could move the file.. how about mv .Mail-old /dev/null ?? Same for you Jack, try `mv chrome /dev/null` ... /dev/null being in a different partition, i doubt it will actually work, but what the hell.. HTH Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On Monday 29 September 2003 01:59 pm, me wrote: > Thank you for the suggestion. > Jack Hi. I don't think I can offer a solution for your "undeletable file" but I sure can sympathise. I have/had the same problem, only its a directory. I'm using reiserfs everywhere. I had Kmail crash once, and since then, I've not been able to use /home/darklord/Mail. I tried deleting it, it caused the system to reboot. I tried deleting it as root, it caused the system to reboot. Running "updatedb" caused the system to reboot. Anocron/cron running (and I'm assuming thus updating the DB) caused it to reboot. I tried using a rescue disk and mounting the partition then deleting it, caused the system to reboot. I tried deleting the inodes - operation not permitted. I tried dropping to and/or booting into single user mode and deleting it - caused the system to reboot. So here is what I finally did: I was able (go figure!!!) to "mv Mail .Mail-old". Then, I set the slocate/updatedb conf file to ignore my /home/darklord stuff. I turned Anacron off, and run the "updatedb" command when ever it reminds me that more than 8 days have passed. I reran Kmail and it setup a new Mail directory in /home/darklord and its been fine since. Fortunately for me, I've got an 80 gig hard drive, so the space taken by .Mail-old doesn't hurt. I've been waiting to install v9.2 so I format/partition/frag everything on my hard drive, and send .Mail-old to Hell . I've already backed up everything pertinent. Good luck. -- /\ Dark>Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On Monday 29 September 2003 10:55 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Not sure if this has been suggested but you can try finding and deleting
> by inode:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ls -i
> 32903 mozilla.ps 32770 week1_day1
> 1802247 mp3 32911 week1_day1.sxw
> 32917 openssh-3.4p1-7.i386.rpm32904 week1_day2
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] find . -inum 32903
> ./mozilla.ps
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] find . -inum 32903 -exec rm -f {} \;
>
> You might also want to try this as root.
find . -inum 507535 -exec rm -f {} \;
rm: cannot remove `./chrome': Operation not permitted
Thank you for the suggestion.
Jack
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Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On Monday 29 Sep 2003 3:38 pm, Jack Coates wrote: > On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 08:20, James Sparenberg wrote: > ... > > > > I had one of these once as the early warning that reiserfs was about to > > > take a dump. I ended up trying reiserfsck on it, which destroyed about > > > half the files in the partition. Back up early and often. > > > > Haven't had it do to reiser but I've sure had it happen do to Mozzila. > > I have to do an rm -Rf .mozilla about once every 2 months and then move > > my backup of bookmarks and cookie (do not set) files back over. 2 times > > now it's created a file I couldn't remove. Except by a 3rd party > > (rescue disk) boot and removal. > > > > James > > mine was a mozilla cache file too, now that I think about it. So the > problem that I experienced in that case probably wasn't reiserfs, but > reiserfsck. > > That said, once you've had to rebuild and restore an 8x72GB RAID5 > production array during business hours because the filesystem caused a > kernel panic under load, you tend to cast a hairy eyeball toward that > file system... > http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/3455/2003/7/0/10528457/ Thanks people. I've just done a complete reinstall and moved over to 99% reiserFS. ;-( -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
> Hello, I am hoping someone can give me some advice on how to delete a
> file.
>
> Apparently the directory /usr/local/netscape/chrome/ got hosed and it
> shows up
> as a 2.2gb file and not a directory any longer.
>
> EXT3 file system, file system check shows no problem.
>
> The file shows OWNER: 35327
> and I can not create a user that starts with a number to delete it that
> way.
>
> GROUP: 3277717500 (kde)
> -10172497 (midnight commander) this may just be how shell and kde
> display the number (signed number??)
>
> I added both of these groups and added root to both groups and I still
> cant do
> anything with the file.
Not sure if this has been suggested but you can try finding and deleting
by inode:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ls -i
32903 mozilla.ps 32770 week1_day1
1802247 mp3 32911 week1_day1.sxw
32917 openssh-3.4p1-7.i386.rpm32904 week1_day2
[EMAIL PROTECTED] find . -inum 32903
./mozilla.ps
[EMAIL PROTECTED] find . -inum 32903 -exec rm -f {} \;
You might also want to try this as root.
If this fails, you can also try unlinking the file.
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Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 08:20, James Sparenberg wrote: ... > > > > I had one of these once as the early warning that reiserfs was about to > > take a dump. I ended up trying reiserfsck on it, which destroyed about > > half the files in the partition. Back up early and often. > > Haven't had it do to reiser but I've sure had it happen do to Mozzila. > I have to do an rm -Rf .mozilla about once every 2 months and then move > my backup of bookmarks and cookie (do not set) files back over. 2 times > now it's created a file I couldn't remove. Except by a 3rd party > (rescue disk) boot and removal. > > James mine was a mozilla cache file too, now that I think about it. So the problem that I experienced in that case probably wasn't reiserfs, but reiserfsck. That said, once you've had to rebuild and restore an 8x72GB RAID5 production array during business hours because the filesystem caused a kernel panic under load, you tend to cast a hairy eyeball toward that file system... http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/3455/2003/7/0/10528457/ -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 08:04, Jack Coates wrote: > On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 00:45, Vox wrote: > > On September 1993 plus 3680 days [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > On Monday 29 September 2003 02:01 am, Vox wrote: > > >> what does "lsattr chrome" and "file chrome" give you? > > >> > > >> Vox > > > > > > lsattr chrome > > > lsattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device While reading flags on chrome > > > > > > file chrome > > > chrome: setuid setgid file: invalid mode 0176372. > > > > > > Hope that helps > > > Jack > > > > That does sound very very bad...I've never seen lsattr spit that > > kind of output on an ext* filesystem. > > > > I am starting to think it's time you try to format that partition > > and see if that fixes it...it seems like something is very very bad > > there. > > > > Vox, who is clueless now about this problem > > I had one of these once as the early warning that reiserfs was about to > take a dump. I ended up trying reiserfsck on it, which destroyed about > half the files in the partition. Back up early and often. Haven't had it do to reiser but I've sure had it happen do to Mozzila. I have to do an rm -Rf .mozilla about once every 2 months and then move my backup of bookmarks and cookie (do not set) files back over. 2 times now it's created a file I couldn't remove. Except by a 3rd party (rescue disk) boot and removal. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 01:41, me wrote: > On Monday 29 September 2003 03:10 am, Anne Wilson wrote: > > I saw a similar problem once. A reboot fixed it. I'd still like to > > know why it happened, but if you haven't tried it, do that before you > > try anything more desperate. > > > > Anne > > Unfortunately that didn't change anything, may have to try the beta. > > Jack > that is a bad idea -- the file system on this partition is likely to be failing, and causing a lot of disk thrash is going to make things worse. Back up the contents and reformat that partition. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 00:45, Vox wrote: > On September 1993 plus 3680 days [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > On Monday 29 September 2003 02:01 am, Vox wrote: > >> what does "lsattr chrome" and "file chrome" give you? > >> > >> Vox > > > > lsattr chrome > > lsattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device While reading flags on chrome > > > > file chrome > > chrome: setuid setgid file: invalid mode 0176372. > > > > Hope that helps > > Jack > > That does sound very very bad...I've never seen lsattr spit that > kind of output on an ext* filesystem. > > I am starting to think it's time you try to format that partition > and see if that fixes it...it seems like something is very very bad > there. > > Vox, who is clueless now about this problem I had one of these once as the early warning that reiserfs was about to take a dump. I ended up trying reiserfsck on it, which destroyed about half the files in the partition. Back up early and often. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 00:10, me wrote:
> On Monday 29 September 2003 03:02 am, Richard Urwin wrote:
> > try going down to single-user mode ("telinit 1" as root) and delete it from
> > there.
> > maybe some process has the file open.
> tried that :(
>
> Jack
>
>
Jack,
I've had one of these before. Got rid of it by booting from a
rescue disk (I used lnxBBC but disk 1 should work) mounting the
partition and deleting it that way.
James
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Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On Monday 29 September 2003 03:10 am, Anne Wilson wrote: > I saw a similar problem once. A reboot fixed it. I'd still like to > know why it happened, but if you haven't tried it, do that before you > try anything more desperate. > > Anne Unfortunately that didn't change anything, may have to try the beta. Jack Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On Monday 29 Sep 2003 8:40 am, Vox wrote: > > That does sound very very bad...I've never seen lsattr spit that > kind of output on an ext* filesystem. > > I am starting to think it's time you try to format that partition > and see if that fixes it...it seems like something is very very > bad there. > > Vox, who is clueless now about this problem I hesitated to add my low-tech offering, but since this is now getting desperate - I saw a similar problem once. A reboot fixed it. I'd still like to know why it happened, but if you haven't tried it, do that before you try anything more desperate. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On September 1993 plus 3680 days [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Monday 29 September 2003 02:01 am, Vox wrote: >> what does "lsattr chrome" and "file chrome" give you? >> >> Vox > > lsattr chrome > lsattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device While reading flags on chrome > > file chrome > chrome: setuid setgid file: invalid mode 0176372. > > Hope that helps > Jack That does sound very very bad...I've never seen lsattr spit that kind of output on an ext* filesystem. I am starting to think it's time you try to format that partition and see if that fixes it...it seems like something is very very bad there. Vox, who is clueless now about this problem -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On September 1993 plus 3680 days [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Monday 29 September 2003 02:01 am, Vox wrote: >> what does "lsattr chrome" and "file chrome" give you? >> >> Vox > > lsattr chrome > lsattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device While reading flags on chrome > > file chrome > chrome: setuid setgid file: invalid mode 0176372. > > Hope that helps > Jack That does sound very very bad...I've never seen lsattr spit that kind of output on an ext* filesystem. I am starting to think it's time you try to format that partition and see if that fixes it...it seems like something is very very bad there. Vox, who is clueless now about this problem -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On Monday 29 September 2003 02:01 am, Vox wrote: > what does "lsattr chrome" and "file chrome" give you? > > Vox Also this may help: stat chrome File: `chrome' Size: 2369121266 Blocks: 3942645760 IO Block: 4096 weird file Device: 7206h/29190dInode: 507535 Links: 442 Access: (6372/?-wsrws-w-) Uid: (35327/ UNKNOWN) Gid: (-1017249796/ UNKNOWN) Access: 1972-05-31 00:36:05.0 -0500 Modify: 1997-12-06 19:46:36.0 -0600 Change: 1967-01-18 19:47:16.0 -0600 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On Monday 29 September 2003 02:01 am, Vox wrote: > what does "lsattr chrome" and "file chrome" give you? > > Vox lsattr chrome lsattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device While reading flags on chrome file chrome chrome: setuid setgid file: invalid mode 0176372. Hope that helps Jack Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On Monday 29 September 2003 03:02 am, Richard Urwin wrote:
> try going down to single-user mode ("telinit 1" as root) and delete it from
> there.
> maybe some process has the file open.
tried that :(
Jack
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Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On Monday 29 Sep 2003 6:52 am, me wrote:
> On Monday 29 September 2003 01:06 am, David Guntner wrote:
> > Root can delete any file or directory in the system. What's stopping you
> > from su'ing to root and deleting it that way?
> >
> > --Dave
>
> Kde says Access Denied
>
> Shell: (su as root)
> rm chrome
> rm: remove write-protected weird file `chrome'? y
> rm: cannot remove `chrome': Operation not permitted
>
> rd chrome
> rmdir: `chrome': Operation not permitted
try going down to single-user mode ("telinit 1" as root) and delete it from
there.
maybe some process has the file open.
(telinit 3 for CLI or telinit 5 for GUI to get back.)
--
Richard Urwin
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Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On September 1993 plus 3680 days [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Monday 29 September 2003 01:06 am, David Guntner wrote: >> Root can delete any file or directory in the system. What's stopping you >> from su'ing to root and deleting it that way? >> >> --Dave > Kde says Access Denied > > Shell: (su as root) > rm chrome > rm: remove write-protected weird file `chrome'? y > rm: cannot remove `chrome': Operation not permitted > > rd chrome > rmdir: `chrome': Operation not permitted what does "lsattr chrome" and "file chrome" give you? Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On Monday 29 September 2003 01:06 am, David Guntner wrote: > Root can delete any file or directory in the system. What's stopping you > from su'ing to root and deleting it that way? > > --Dave Kde says Access Denied Shell: (su as root) rm chrome rm: remove write-protected weird file `chrome'? y rm: cannot remove `chrome': Operation not permitted rd chrome rmdir: `chrome': Operation not permitted It may be time to upgrade Jack Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
me grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > > Hello, I am hoping someone can give me some advice on how to delete a > file. > > Apparently the directory /usr/local/netscape/chrome/ got hosed and it > shows up > as a 2.2gb file and not a directory any longer. > > EXT3 file system, file system check shows no problem. > > The file shows OWNER: 35327 > and I can not create a user that starts with a number to delete it that > way. > > GROUP: 3277717500 (kde) > -10172497 (midnight commander) this may just be how shell and kde > display the number (signed number??) > > I added both of these groups and added root to both groups and I still > cant do > anything with the file. > > Any Suggestions?? > > Thank You > Jack Root can delete any file or directory in the system. What's stopping you from su'ing to root and deleting it that way? --Dave Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Cant Delete File
Hello, I am hoping someone can give me some advice on how to delete a file. Apparently the directory /usr/local/netscape/chrome/ got hosed and it shows up as a 2.2gb file and not a directory any longer. EXT3 file system, file system check shows no problem. The file shows OWNER: 35327 and I can not create a user that starts with a number to delete it that way. GROUP: 3277717500 (kde) -10172497 (midnight commander) this may just be how shell and kde display the number (signed number??) I added both of these groups and added root to both groups and I still cant do anything with the file. Any Suggestions?? Thank You Jack Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
