Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Thursday 31 Jul 2003 11:46 pm, Bill Mullen wrote: The only ramification of using su in an xterm to become root is that any program you run from that shell thereafter is run as root; the rest of your desktop is running as your logged-in user, and is unaffected. The odd thing is that no-one ever bothered to say that after a root terminal session you could switch back to user immediately by typing 'exit'. It suddenly became so much more convenient. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Thursday 31 Jul 2003 11:28 pm, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Steffen Barszus wrote: Am Donnerstag, 31. Juli 2003 23:43 schrieb Brant Fitzsimmons: Bill Mullen wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Felix Miata wrote: Looks like this is my only option. I can't figure out any way to tell mdkKDM I want to login as root instead of regular user. As far as I know there is no way to do so. This was the subject of very heated discussions during 9.0 development. It *can* be done, and fairly easily, as well. The question remains, Why would anyone want to login to a full X session as root? ... Because they want the convenience of full access to all files as with a console prompt running as root without the need to know how to use the command line. Bad reason under K-menu = applications = file tools or whatever it is called in english you can start konqueror in root-modus. The mandrake-tools can be accessed to from a normal login in various ways. There is no reason. to start X as root. Steffen Bad or not, it's still a reason. File Manager Super User Mode in kde gives exactly that. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Friday 01 Aug 2003 12:59 am, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Bill Mullen wrote: It's not really our place to shield them from the knowledge of how to do it. Logging into X as root is risky, and therefore not recommended. There are times, however, where it may be more convenient, and even more importantly, what the person wants to do. Should they be allowed to gain the knowledge to do what they want with their own computer? As long as it *their* computer *they* will have to take the responsibility of what they do with it. It is, however, our place to point out not only the dangers, but the alternatives. If a 'don't do it' reads as 'you're a stupid oaf' it's not helpful. Sometimes it's the 'really obvious' bit that's missing from the explanation, like the way to exit a root session on the cli, or the fact that FMSU gets round most problems in the easiest way. I suspect that part of the problem is that in later versions windows you have to log in as administrator to do anything serious, so the alternatives are a new mind-set. In the end, once all the risks and alternatives have been explored, it's then up to the user. It's his machine that is at risk, not ours. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Thursday 31 Jul 2003 11:27 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 11:45, Greg Meyer wrote: On Thursday 31 July 2003 10:02 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 02:53, James Sparenberg wrote: Felix .. sorry, not to prefer one over the other. I just never use grub. The only other boot loaders I've ever used come with FreeBSD, or in the early days of my Unix / Linux trials Loadlin. James Ahhh! Another one. I've stayed put with Lilo as well. ;) GrUB rocks! Especially if you multi-boot off of several disk. I do (4 disks to be exact 9 OS versions) and I use Lilo quiet well. Just like I said. I learned how to do all this long before Grub... I know it works and It works the same way every time. You want Grub... fine. It's your box. Why does everyone insist on telling others what they must do? 'Linux is about choice', right? Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 31 Jul 2003 11:46 pm, Bill Mullen wrote: The only ramification of using su in an xterm to become root is that any program you run from that shell thereafter is run as root; the rest of your desktop is running as your logged-in user, and is unaffected. The odd thing is that no-one ever bothered to say that after a root terminal session you could switch back to user immediately by typing 'exit'. It suddenly became so much more convenient. I use Ctrl-d, myself. The height of laziness. :) -- Bill Mullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA, USA RLU #270075 MDK 8.1 9.0 There are two kinds of people in the world, those who believe there are two kinds of people in the world and those who don't. - Robert Benchley Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, James Sparenberg wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 13:24, Bill Mullen wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Felix Miata wrote: Looks like this is my only option. I can't figure out any way to tell mdkKDM I want to login as root instead of regular user. I hate to bring up something that's been rehashed over and over again in so many forums, but I must ask, why do you feel any need at *all* to log into a full-blown X session as root? I have /never/ needed to do this (I'm not saying I've never done it, just that in retrospect I've never *needed* to, and I haven't done so for a very long time now). Frankly I just don't understand how this can ever be neccessary, or even all that helpful, to anyone; the risks, OTOH, are considerable and, to my way of thinking, are entirely and easily avoidable merely by never doing that. Enlighten me, would you? :) It's his box... he want's to. That is all the reason in the world. If he wants to, fine. If someone else wants to tell him how, fine. I was merely trying to get him to examine his thinking, and perhaps come to the realization that he is taking risks of which he may not be aware by doing this, and that there are safer alternative ways to do what he wants done. That seems to me to be a worthwhile effort, and experience that is worth imparting to others whenever possible. I also take issue with the notion that this is Gatesian thinking; I never said he *couldn't* do it. What I tried to get across is that IMHO it is not a sound and justifiable systems administration practice to do so. I am fully aware that the details of how to accomplish it are readily available from a plethora of sources, and I was also fairly confident that someone else would come right along and provide them for him here. My concern was only that the inadvisability of it might not get brought up if I failed to mention it myself. So I did. I've done it a number of times. Why?... I build boxes for people and when I build the box it has no user. I nonetheless have to configure/setup the box and the only option is to log in as root. (much cleaner than creating / deleting a user just to su to root. and I rarely know who I'm building it for, only that I have to build X number of boxes.) I disagree that it is much cleaner, as creating and then later deleting a user is such a trivial exercise. Moreover, I don't see how you can test the configuration of these boxes without creating a user, because without having done so, all you've determined is that everything works properly as root - which essentially tells you nothing about whether or not what you have set up will work just as you expect it to when logged in as a user. I see this as the central fallacy of the I have to run X as root mode of thinking ... it seems to me to be far simpler, as well as far safer, to do one's configuring while logged in as a user (from a su-ed terminal session or a GUI tool that has been given root privileges, such as drakconf), so that one can easily and immediately test that configuration /as a user/. So it's not only a sounder practice, it's a quicker one as well. ;) Do I do it often on my home box? no. But I do, do it. I can't do any more damage that way than I can as a normal user and su/sudo. No, you can't do *more* damage, but you can do inadvertent damage *much* more easily; the GUI's whole function is to make things easier, and that applies to root blunders just as much as anything else. :) Also, since the X server itself is now running as root, you are somewhat more (needlessly) vulnerable to exploits originating from elsewhere. This becomes especially important if among the remaining configuration tasks is the locking down of the box. I also do a lot of repairs to boxes. I often login directly as root so that I can do repairs because I don't have a user on the box. I can understand that, but I don't see where the GUI needs to be involved. Drakconf will run just fine in a vtty, for example, as will programs like linuxconf (*ptui!* g), sndconfig, XFdrake, etc. etc.; many other common configuration and/or repair tools are CLI only, of course. How is running an X server as root (much less an entire DE) truly *necessary* here? And after all, it *is* just my $0.02USD. It's your machine. ;) -- Bill Mullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA, USA RLU #270075 MDK 8.1 9.0 There are two kinds of people in the world, those who believe there are two kinds of people in the world and those who don't. - Robert Benchley Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 00:21, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 31 Jul 2003 11:27 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 11:45, Greg Meyer wrote: On Thursday 31 July 2003 10:02 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 02:53, James Sparenberg wrote: Felix .. sorry, not to prefer one over the other. I just never use grub. The only other boot loaders I've ever used come with FreeBSD, or in the early days of my Unix / Linux trials Loadlin. James Ahhh! Another one. I've stayed put with Lilo as well. ;) GrUB rocks! Especially if you multi-boot off of several disk. I do (4 disks to be exact 9 OS versions) and I use Lilo quiet well. Just like I said. I learned how to do all this long before Grub... I know it works and It works the same way every time. You want Grub... fine. It's your box. Why does everyone insist on telling others what they must do? 'Linux is about choice', right? Anne Anne, If I sounded like I did that... I apologize. What I was originally responding to was that I didn't answer a question that included a grub solution.. because lilo has been embedded in my brain for so long I don't know Grub. For those who use it.. cool. I just don't because lilo so far does what I need. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Friday 01 Aug 2003 8:36 am, Bill Mullen wrote: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 31 Jul 2003 11:46 pm, Bill Mullen wrote: The only ramification of using su in an xterm to become root is that any program you run from that shell thereafter is run as root; the rest of your desktop is running as your logged-in user, and is unaffected. The odd thing is that no-one ever bothered to say that after a root terminal session you could switch back to user immediately by typing 'exit'. It suddenly became so much more convenient. I use Ctrl-d, myself. The height of laziness. :) ??? I haven't met that one - and never miss a chance to be lazy Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 00:49, Bill Mullen wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, James Sparenberg wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 13:24, Bill Mullen wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Felix Miata wrote: Looks like this is my only option. I can't figure out any way to tell mdkKDM I want to login as root instead of regular user. I hate to bring up something that's been rehashed over and over again in so many forums, but I must ask, why do you feel any need at *all* to log into a full-blown X session as root? I have /never/ needed to do this (I'm not saying I've never done it, just that in retrospect I've never *needed* to, and I haven't done so for a very long time now). Frankly I just don't understand how this can ever be neccessary, or even all that helpful, to anyone; the risks, OTOH, are considerable and, to my way of thinking, are entirely and easily avoidable merely by never doing that. Enlighten me, would you? :) It's his box... he want's to. That is all the reason in the world. If he wants to, fine. If someone else wants to tell him how, fine. I was merely trying to get him to examine his thinking, and perhaps come to the realization that he is taking risks of which he may not be aware by doing this, and that there are safer alternative ways to do what he wants done. That seems to me to be a worthwhile effort, and experience that is worth imparting to others whenever possible. I also take issue with the notion that this is Gatesian thinking; I never said he *couldn't* do it. What I tried to get across is that IMHO it is not a sound and justifiable systems administration practice to do so. I am fully aware that the details of how to accomplish it are readily available from a plethora of sources, and I was also fairly confident that someone else would come right along and provide them for him here. My concern was only that the inadvisability of it might not get brought up if I failed to mention it myself. So I did. I've done it a number of times. Why?... I build boxes for people and when I build the box it has no user. I nonetheless have to configure/setup the box and the only option is to log in as root. (much cleaner than creating / deleting a user just to su to root. and I rarely know who I'm building it for, only that I have to build X number of boxes.) I disagree that it is much cleaner, as creating and then later deleting a user is such a trivial exercise. Trivial ... probably if you only do one box... not if you have to build install and test 20 30 or more boxes at the same time. (thank god for PXE) Moreover, I don't see how you can test the configuration of these boxes without creating a user, because without having done so, all you've determined is that everything works properly as root - which essentially tells you nothing about whether or not what you have set up will work just as you expect it to when logged in as a user. I see this as the central fallacy of the I have to run X as root mode of thinking ... it seems to me to be far simpler, as well as far safer, to do one's configuring while logged in as a user (from a su-ed terminal session or a GUI tool that has been given root privileges, such as drakconf), so that one can easily and immediately test that configuration /as a user/. So it's not only a sounder practice, it's a quicker one as well. ;) Do I do it often on my home box? no. But I do, do it. I can't do any more damage that way than I can as a normal user and su/sudo. No, you can't do *more* damage, but you can do inadvertent damage *much* more easily; the GUI's whole function is to make things easier, You forget one rule of thumb here... gui's lie. They tell you you can only do say 5 things. When in fact from the command line editing code and config files you could do a lot more. and that applies to root blunders just as much as anything else. :) Also, since the X server itself is now running as root, One of the big reasons it does I'm told is so that users can run root programs without doing the even more dangerous xhost + localhost you are somewhat more (needlessly) vulnerable to exploits originating from elsewhere. This becomes especially important if among the remaining configuration tasks is the locking down of the box. Wanna bet... 2 days ago I helped someone recover because he'd learned rm * (btw it was RH where the default isn't aliased to -i )... and did it in the wrong directory. (he'd meant to do rm core* but forgot the core) Now tell me... is there a gui equivilent to that? In a gui he would have gone to a file manager selected the core dumps and pressed delete. One reason for starting people with a gui over command line. It's easier to see where you are and what you are doing. It's much harder to do the rm * equivalent in a gui. In fact gui's often have more failsafes than the command line. What is the diff between
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
Hi Brant, please try to read somthing about the philosophy on Unix type systems. Root can destroy anything on your system. Also - if everyone would use it's Unix system as user Root - the Virus Problems Microsoft Systems do have - would also exist under Unix. Another reason not to do things as root - is to protect the user from killing himself (virtually speaking). So - using a System as User - makes sens. I someone knows a System well enough to work as root under X - then _he_ knows how to enable it - thus this wouldn't be a problem. If a User does not figure out how to enable root Login - then he's IMHO not ready for login as Root into X. Just my 2 cents Joerg On Thursday 31 July 2003 23:43, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Bill Mullen wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Felix Miata wrote: Looks like this is my only option. I can't figure out any way to tell mdkKDM I want to login as root instead of regular user. As far as I know there is no way to do so. This was the subject of very heated discussions during 9.0 development. It *can* be done, and fairly easily, as well. The question remains, Why would anyone want to login to a full X session as root? ... Because they want the convenience of full access to all files as with a console prompt running as root without the need to know how to use the command line. -- Whenever a system becomes completely defined, some damn fool discovers something which either abolishes the system or expands it beyond recognition. | Joerg Mertin : [EMAIL PROTECTED](Home)| | in Neuchâtel/Schweiz : [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alt1)| | Stardust's LiNUX System : [EMAIL PROTECTED](Alt2)| | Web: http://www.solsys.org: Voice Fax: +41(0)32 / 725 52 54 | PGP Fingerprint: AF0F FB75 997B 025F 4538 5AD6 9888 5D97 170B 8B7A Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 05:49 am, Felix Miata wholly or partly mentioned :- Looks like this is my only option. I can't figure out any way to tell mdkKDM I want to login as root instead of regular user. Unless you edit /etc/inittab and runlevel to id:3:initdefault: then at the login :- root and password and then startx? Does that help? Charlie. -- Life, we learn too late, is in the living, in the tissue of every day and hour. Stephen Leacock This email is guaranteed to be wholly Linux Mandrake 9.1, Kmail v1.5 and OpenOffice.org1.1Beta Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Thursday 31 July 2003 07:45 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 15:57, Bill Mullen wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Bill Mullen wrote: The question remains, Why would anyone want to login to a full X session as root? ... Because they want the convenience of full access to all files as with a console prompt running as root without the need to know how to use the command line. And su-ing to root in a terminal, and then running konqueror or nautilus or drakconf (or whatever) fails to provide this how, pray tell? Many people want many things which are not good for them in any way; I want no part of making those sorts of wishes any easier to satisfy. Bill said the same thing and look what we got winders. No it's like with my little guy. Sometimes I have to let him fall down.. so that he can learn to get up on his own again. If the user knows root. They can do the same damage no matter how they get to it. period. Tell them If you do this you can hose your box. and walk away. If you don't want to help them in the first place... don't offer. In for a penny in for a pound. Just don't ever tell me what I can or cannot do with my computer. Rules I remember. 1. If I offer to help and you say yes I don't get to complain about helping you. 2. Stupidity in users is a 1 to 1 relationship with how far to the edge of my knowledge they push me. 3. The person you are helping isn't that stupid... they got you to do it for free didn't they. 4. Don't do it for them, tell them how to do it themselves, then when they break it, show them how to get out of it. They will never ask you again to do something like this because they will either know how, or be so lazy they don't want to go through doing it themselves again. 5. Whenever you idiot proof something the number one idiot you expose is usually yourself. 6. If that idiot was so stupid he/she wouldn't have gotten around your magnificent idiot proofing in the first place. 7. Never argue with a man carrying dynamite and a lit cigarette ... All the no smoking signs in the world won't stop him from blowing himself up. Run instead, and hope he doesn't follow. james Yay, Hooray, Clap Clap, Cheer, Whistle, Shout. Glad to see some good sense instead of another Microsoftisim. -- Ken Thompson -- WA7SYR Payette, Idaho Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Friday 01 Aug 2003 9:44 am, James Sparenberg wrote: On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 00:21, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 31 Jul 2003 11:27 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 11:45, Greg Meyer wrote: On Thursday 31 July 2003 10:02 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 02:53, James Sparenberg wrote: Felix .. sorry, not to prefer one over the other. I just never use grub. The only other boot loaders I've ever used come with FreeBSD, or in the early days of my Unix / Linux trials Loadlin. James Ahhh! Another one. I've stayed put with Lilo as well. ;) GrUB rocks! Especially if you multi-boot off of several disk. I do (4 disks to be exact 9 OS versions) and I use Lilo quiet well. Just like I said. I learned how to do all this long before Grub... I know it works and It works the same way every time. You want Grub... fine. It's your box. Why does everyone insist on telling others what they must do? 'Linux is about choice', right? Anne Anne, If I sounded like I did that... I apologize. What I was originally responding to was that I didn't answer a question that included a grub solution.. because lilo has been embedded in my brain for so long I don't know Grub. For those who use it.. cool. I just don't because lilo so far does what I need. It wasn't meant as an attack on you, James. Just that 'WhateverItIs rocks' is often offered as a suggestion that if you use something else you're an idiot. I know this was not your intention, but between the 2 lists I've seen a lot of it lately. As for lilo and grub - I've never even tried grub, since lilo works fine for me. Cheers, James Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
Is the best phrase that I read in the list so far. Very Good Anne! El Vie 01 Ago 2003 04:21, Anne Wilson escribió: Why does everyone insist on telling others what they must do? 'Linux is about choice', right? -- Obed Liberty Software Libre al desktop http://obed.com.ar - Baje el manual para el nuevo usuario de GNU/Linux de http://www.obed.com.ar/doc/ -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, James Sparenberg wrote: On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 00:49, Bill Mullen wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, James Sparenberg wrote: I've done it a number of times. Why?... I build boxes for people and when I build the box it has no user. I nonetheless have to configure/setup the box and the only option is to log in as root. (much cleaner than creating / deleting a user just to su to root. and I rarely know who I'm building it for, only that I have to build X number of boxes.) I disagree that it is much cleaner, as creating and then later deleting a user is such a trivial exercise. Trivial ... probably if you only do one box... not if you have to build install and test 20 30 or more boxes at the same time. (thank god for PXE) Yes, trivial. Run userdel -r username. Boom! Done. Do I do it often on my home box? no. But I do, do it. I can't do any more damage that way than I can as a normal user and su/sudo. No, you can't do *more* damage, but you can do inadvertent damage *much* more easily; the GUI's whole function is to make things easier, You forget one rule of thumb here... gui's lie. They tell you you can only do say 5 things. When in fact from the command line editing code and config files you could do a lot more. I'll remind you here that *any* program, including every single GUI one, can be run as root from within a user login - there is still no need for the entire /desktop/ to be running as root. And if you're setting up a lot of boxes and not using things like tarballs of your own pre-tweaked config files, and a few simple scripts to automate the process wherever possible (and to simultaneously limit the error potential therein), then you're making much more work (and risk) for yourself than need be, IMHO. and that applies to root blunders just as much as anything else. :) Also, since the X server itself is now running as root, One of the big reasons it does I'm told is so that users can run root programs without doing the even more dangerous xhost + localhost I have *never* had to do this on a Mandrake box, and neither have you; you may have done it, but you didn't have to. Try one without it and see. ;) you are somewhat more (needlessly) vulnerable to exploits originating from elsewhere. This becomes especially important if among the remaining configuration tasks is the locking down of the box. Wanna bet... 2 days ago I helped someone recover because he'd learned rm * (btw it was RH where the default isn't aliased to -i )... and did it in the wrong directory. (he'd meant to do rm core* but forgot the core) Now tell me... is there a gui equivilent to that? Sure. It's even in the menus for every user - File Manager - Super User Mode. You don't even have to open a terminal, for gosh sakes! If RedHat doesn't have something like it, well, that's /their/ problem, eh? :) In a gui he would have gone to a file manager selected the core dumps and pressed delete. One reason for starting people with a gui over command line. It's easier to see where you are and what you are doing. It's much harder to do the rm * equivalent in a gui. In fact gui's often have more failsafes than the command line. Again I'll remind you that I'm not saying that there is one single thing wrong with running any GUI configuration app as root within a *user's* X environment. My sole argument is that you don't have to run the whole darn desktop as root to do it! If you need to use drakconf to configure Apache, then obviously drakconf must be run as root; if you need to *test* Apache with a browser during that process, why on Earth does that browser also need to be run as root? It doesn't, plain and simple. What is the diff between logging in as root and running MCC or su'ing to root and running it? Nada. With all due respect, I disagree completely with this, James. The glaring difference is that in the former case, *everything* is running as root - X, the window manager, the DE, the panel, every single app, the whole nine yards; in the latter, the specific app that is so invoked is the *only* thing on that user's desktop with root privileges. It's plain as day to me that the latter scenario is far less likely to permit inadvertent results, if only because a /very/ small subset of the full panoply of one's running programs is in any position to cause them in the first place! Again we come back to the *nix truism, Only do as root that which *must* be done as root. The stricter you apply that philosophy, the less likely you are to wreak havoc on your system. That's all I'm trying to convey in this discussion - fundamentally sound and time-tested sysadmin practices. And I'm not telling people what they can and can't do with their system, as has been alleged by some others in this thread - I'm offering the very best advice I can in a specific area, and I wish people would take it in the spirit in which it is
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 10:18, Bill Mullen wrote: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, James Sparenberg wrote: On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 00:49, Bill Mullen wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, James Sparenberg wrote: I've done it a number of times. Why?... I build boxes for people and when I build the box it has no user. I nonetheless have to configure/setup the box and the only option is to log in as root. (much cleaner than creating / deleting a user just to su to root. and I rarely know who I'm building it for, only that I have to build X number of boxes.) I disagree that it is much cleaner, as creating and then later deleting a user is such a trivial exercise. Trivial ... probably if you only do one box... not if you have to build install and test 20 30 or more boxes at the same time. (thank god for PXE) Yes, trivial. Run userdel -r username. Boom! Done. Do I do it often on my home box? no. But I do, do it. I can't do any more damage that way than I can as a normal user and su/sudo. No, you can't do *more* damage, but you can do inadvertent damage *much* more easily; the GUI's whole function is to make things easier, You forget one rule of thumb here... gui's lie. They tell you you can only do say 5 things. When in fact from the command line editing code and config files you could do a lot more. I'll remind you here that *any* program, including every single GUI one, can be run as root from within a user login - there is still no need for the entire /desktop/ to be running as root. And if you're setting up a lot of boxes and not using things like tarballs of your own pre-tweaked config files, and a few simple scripts to automate the process wherever possible (and to simultaneously limit the error potential therein), then you're making much more work (and risk) for yourself than need be, IMHO. and that applies to root blunders just as much as anything else. :) Also, since the X server itself is now running as root, One of the big reasons it does I'm told is so that users can run root programs without doing the even more dangerous xhost + localhost Because it runs as root. does even on my 7.2 box. On SuSE and others this doesn't necessarily work. Not to mention the fact that you also have to do su - or change your path on a number of them to access /usr/sbin. or /sbin. I have *never* had to do this on a Mandrake box, and neither have you; you may have done it, but you didn't have to. Try one without it and see. ;) you are somewhat more (needlessly) vulnerable to exploits originating from elsewhere. This becomes especially important if among the remaining configuration tasks is the locking down of the box. Wanna bet... 2 days ago I helped someone recover because he'd learned rm * (btw it was RH where the default isn't aliased to -i )... and did it in the wrong directory. (he'd meant to do rm core* but forgot the core) Now tell me... is there a gui equivilent to that? Sure. It's even in the menus for every user - File Manager - Super User Mode. You don't even have to open a terminal, for gosh sakes! If RedHat doesn't have something like it, well, that's /their/ problem, eh? :) In a gui he would have gone to a file manager selected the core dumps and pressed delete. One reason for starting people with a gui over command line. It's easier to see where you are and what you are doing. It's much harder to do the rm * equivalent in a gui. In fact gui's often have more failsafes than the command line. Again I'll remind you that I'm not saying that there is one single thing wrong with running any GUI configuration app as root within a *user's* X environment. My sole argument is that you don't have to run the whole darn desktop as root to do it! If you need to use drakconf to configure Apache, then obviously drakconf must be run as root; if you need to *test* Apache with a browser during that process, why on Earth does that browser also need to be run as root? It doesn't, plain and simple. What is the diff between logging in as root and running MCC or su'ing to root and running it? Nada. With all due respect, I disagree completely with this, James. The glaring difference is that in the former case, *everything* is running as root - X, the window manager, the DE, the panel, every single app, the whole nine yards; in the latter, the specific app that is so invoked is the *only* thing on that user's desktop with root privileges. It's plain as day to me that the latter scenario is far less likely to permit inadvertent results, if only because a /very/ small subset of the full panoply of one's running programs is in any position to cause them in the first place! Again we come back to the *nix truism, Only do as root that which *must* be done as root. The stricter you apply that philosophy, the less likely you are to wreak havoc on your
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 05:49, Ken Thompson wrote: On Thursday 31 July 2003 07:45 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 15:57, Bill Mullen wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Bill Mullen wrote: The question remains, Why would anyone want to login to a full X session as root? ... Because they want the convenience of full access to all files as with a console prompt running as root without the need to know how to use the command line. And su-ing to root in a terminal, and then running konqueror or nautilus or drakconf (or whatever) fails to provide this how, pray tell? Many people want many things which are not good for them in any way; I want no part of making those sorts of wishes any easier to satisfy. Bill said the same thing and look what we got winders. No it's like with my little guy. Sometimes I have to let him fall down.. so that he can learn to get up on his own again. If the user knows root. They can do the same damage no matter how they get to it. period. Tell them If you do this you can hose your box. and walk away. If you don't want to help them in the first place... don't offer. In for a penny in for a pound. Just don't ever tell me what I can or cannot do with my computer. Rules I remember. 1. If I offer to help and you say yes I don't get to complain about helping you. 2. Stupidity in users is a 1 to 1 relationship with how far to the edge of my knowledge they push me. 3. The person you are helping isn't that stupid... they got you to do it for free didn't they. 4. Don't do it for them, tell them how to do it themselves, then when they break it, show them how to get out of it. They will never ask you again to do something like this because they will either know how, or be so lazy they don't want to go through doing it themselves again. 5. Whenever you idiot proof something the number one idiot you expose is usually yourself. 6. If that idiot was so stupid he/she wouldn't have gotten around your magnificent idiot proofing in the first place. 7. Never argue with a man carrying dynamite and a lit cigarette ... All the no smoking signs in the world won't stop him from blowing himself up. Run instead, and hope he doesn't follow. james Yay, Hooray, Clap Clap, Cheer, Whistle, Shout. Glad to see some good sense instead of another Microsoftisim. Thank you kindly good sir. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
Joerg Mertin wrote: Hi Brant, please try to read somthing about the philosophy on Unix type systems. Root can destroy anything on your system. Also - if everyone would use it's Unix system as user Root - the Virus Problems Microsoft Systems do have - would also exist under Unix. Another reason not to do things as root - is to protect the user from killing himself (virtually speaking). So - using a System as User - makes sens. I agree. I'm well aware of the dangers of running as root. I've lost system files due to an error when running *as a user* and running a file manager as root. I'm not advocating that people run as root on a regular basis (MS Windows). In fact I've already said that it isn't a good idea. I'm saying that if they think they have the need, or just want to do it because they can, it's their choice. Our responsibility ends after we have made our opinions known. After that--it's up to the user to exercise their common sense. I someone knows a System well enough to work as root under X - then _he_ knows how to enable it - thus this wouldn't be a problem. If a User does not figure out how to enable root Login - then he's IMHO not ready for login as Root into X. Just my 2 cents Joerg On Thursday 31 July 2003 23:43, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Bill Mullen wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Felix Miata wrote: Looks like this is my only option. I can't figure out any way to tell mdkKDM I want to login as root instead of regular user. As far as I know there is no way to do so. This was the subject of very heated discussions during 9.0 development. It *can* be done, and fairly easily, as well. The question remains, Why would anyone want to login to a full X session as root? ... Because they want the convenience of full access to all files as with a console prompt running as root without the need to know how to use the command line. -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Friday 01 Aug 2003 7:52 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 01:09, Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 01 Aug 2003 8:36 am, Bill Mullen wrote: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 31 Jul 2003 11:46 pm, Bill Mullen wrote: The only ramification of using su in an xterm to become root is that any program you run from that shell thereafter is run as root; the rest of your desktop is running as your logged-in user, and is unaffected. The odd thing is that no-one ever bothered to say that after a root terminal session you could switch back to user immediately by typing 'exit'. It suddenly became so much more convenient. I use Ctrl-d, myself. The height of laziness. :) ??? I haven't met that one - and never miss a chance to be lazy Anne In a pinch alt-f4 works too. Funny, that's one windows shortcut I never used g Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 05:36 pm, Bill Mullen wholly or partly mentioned :- The odd thing is that no-one ever bothered to say that after a root terminal session you could switch back to user immediately by typing 'exit'. It suddenly became so much more convenient. I use Ctrl-d, myself. The height of laziness. :) And even more easiness and convenience. -- Life, we learn too late, is in the living, in the tissue of every day and hour. Stephen Leacock This email is guaranteed to be wholly Linux Mandrake 9.1, Kmail v1.5 and OpenOffice.org1.1Beta Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 05:03 pm, Anne Wilson wholly or partly mentioned :- The odd thing is that no-one ever bothered to say that after a root terminal session you could switch back to user immediately by typing 'exit'. It suddenly became so much more convenient. Anne Does it never end? I have never known that it was so easy to become user again. In Slackware I used login in the terminal and have to go through the password and everything rigmarole to get back to user. I do this in Mandrake and the shell vanishes, but can be brought up again, and when I shutdown, I don't have the option of the dragon shutdown, but get back to a terminal /sbin/shutdown -h now as root. Thanks for that info Anne. I consider it among all the other very important trivia that some people take for granted that I don't know. These little things that make everything faster and easier. Linux is so very comfortable because it allows the shell to be used with the GUI in the background and vice versa. Thank you. Charlie -- Life, we learn too late, is in the living, in the tissue of every day and hour. Stephen Leacock This email is guaranteed to be wholly Linux Mandrake 9.1, Kmail v1.5 and OpenOffice.org1.1Beta Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
Ronald J. Hall grabbed a keyboard and wrote: I much prefer seeing everything that is going on. I even put noquiet in there so I can see some hardware goodies during bootup. :-) noquiet in where? Yes, I figure /etc/lilo.conf, but which line? Sounds like my kind of option :-) --Dave -- David Guntner GEnie: Just say NO! http://www.akaMail.com/pgpkey/davidg or key server for PGP Public key Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 22:55, Felix Miata wrote: David Guntner wrote: James Sparenberg grabbed a keyboard and wrote: or in your lilo.conf vga=[some number] changed to vga=normal Ah! Good catch. :-) I was about to ask him what cross out? Because I couldn't find anything on that menu to uncheck WRT bootsplash. Once you've set vga=normal in lilo.conf and run lilo, those options completely drop out of the drakboot program. What happens to those who never run lilo? I always depend on Grub for boot. No need to run it after changing its boot config file. Felix .. sorry, not to prefer one over the other. I just never use grub. The only other boot loaders I've ever used come with FreeBSD, or in the early days of my Unix / Linux trials Loadlin. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 22:00, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Wednesday 30 July 2003 04:17 pm, David Guntner wrote: I've just installed ML 9.1 on a clean system, and discovered that it keeps the same graphic in place during the boot sequence that is there when lilo is letting you pick which system you want to boot. I don't mind the graphic around that, but I much prefer a boot up window (shows the various ok messages on just a plain-old text window). I can't seem to find where I can turn that off so that it uses plain-old text. Just remove the bootsplash rpm (urpme or the software manager) and then adjust your /etc/lilo.conf file. Mine looks like this: image=/boot/vmlinuz unnecessary stuff deleted vga=791 and don't forget to run (as root/su) /sbin/lilo so the changes are reflected. I much prefer seeing everything that is going on. I even put noquiet in there so I can see some hardware goodies during bootup. :-) HTHs. One other way... should work for all boot loaders. In /boot rm message then ln -s message-text message and recreate your initrd. This gets rid of all images. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Thursday 31 July 2003 02:02 am, David Guntner wrote: Ronald J. Hall grabbed a keyboard and wrote: I much prefer seeing everything that is going on. I even put noquiet in there so I can see some hardware goodies during bootup. :-) noquiet in where? Yes, I figure /etc/lilo.conf, but which line? Sounds like my kind of option :-) --Dave Hey Dave. Just add it to the append line, like this (its probably already got quiet there - just put a no in front of it): append=noquiet along with whatever else you have on that line, of course. :-) See ya! -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 02:53, James Sparenberg wrote: On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 22:55, Felix Miata wrote: David Guntner wrote: James Sparenberg grabbed a keyboard and wrote: or in your lilo.conf vga=[some number] changed to vga=normal Ah! Good catch. :-) I was about to ask him what cross out? Because I couldn't find anything on that menu to uncheck WRT bootsplash. Once you've set vga=normal in lilo.conf and run lilo, those options completely drop out of the drakboot program. What happens to those who never run lilo? I always depend on Grub for boot. No need to run it after changing its boot config file. Felix .. sorry, not to prefer one over the other. I just never use grub. The only other boot loaders I've ever used come with FreeBSD, or in the early days of my Unix / Linux trials Loadlin. James Ahhh! Another one. I've stayed put with Lilo as well. ;) --LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Filter That, Beach! --Lanman, MDK Newbie List Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Thursday 31 July 2003 10:02 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 02:53, James Sparenberg wrote: Felix .. sorry, not to prefer one over the other. I just never use grub. The only other boot loaders I've ever used come with FreeBSD, or in the early days of my Unix / Linux trials Loadlin. James Ahhh! Another one. I've stayed put with Lilo as well. ;) GrUB rocks! Especially if you multi-boot off of several disk. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
Greg Meyer wrote: On Wednesday 30 July 2003 04:17 pm, David Guntner wrote: Also, the X system seems to default to using mdkKDM as the window manager at login, and I want to use the KDM window manager so that things like the clock will actually show up in the login window when I've selected the clock from the control panel under login preferences. I can't seem to remember how I did it on my already-set up machine. :-) Can someone point me in the right direction, please? urpme mdkkdm urpmi kdebase-kdm Looks like this is my only option. I can't figure out any way to tell mdkKDM I want to login as root instead of regular user. -- Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry. Ephesians 4:26 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Felix Miata wrote: Greg Meyer wrote: urpme mdkkdm urpmi kdebase-kdm Looks like this is my only option. I can't figure out any way to tell mdkKDM I want to login as root instead of regular user. I hate to bring up something that's been rehashed over and over again in so many forums, but I must ask, why do you feel any need at *all* to log into a full-blown X session as root? I have /never/ needed to do this (I'm not saying I've never done it, just that in retrospect I've never *needed* to, and I haven't done so for a very long time now). Frankly I just don't understand how this can ever be neccessary, or even all that helpful, to anyone; the risks, OTOH, are considerable and, to my way of thinking, are entirely and easily avoidable merely by never doing that. Enlighten me, would you? :) -- Bill Mullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA, USA RLU #270075 MDK 8.1 9.0 There are two kinds of people in the world, those who believe there are two kinds of people in the world and those who don't. - Robert Benchley Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
Felix Miata wrote: Greg Meyer wrote: On Wednesday 30 July 2003 04:17 pm, David Guntner wrote: Also, the X system seems to default to using mdkKDM as the window manager at login, and I want to use the KDM window manager so that things like the clock will actually show up in the login window when I've selected the clock from the control panel under login preferences. I can't seem to remember how I did it on my already-set up machine. :-) Can someone point me in the right direction, please? urpme mdkkdm urpmi kdebase-kdm Looks like this is my only option. I can't figure out any way to tell mdkKDM I want to login as root instead of regular user. As far as I know there is no way to do so. This was the subject of very heated discussions during 9.0 development. If you want to log in to KDE as root you will have to either install kdm or do: - Ctrl + Alt + F1 - login as regular user - type su - type in your root password - type startx -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Felix Miata wrote: Looks like this is my only option. I can't figure out any way to tell mdkKDM I want to login as root instead of regular user. As far as I know there is no way to do so. This was the subject of very heated discussions during 9.0 development. It *can* be done, and fairly easily, as well. The question remains, Why would anyone want to login to a full X session as root? ... -- Bill Mullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA, USA RLU #270075 MDK 8.1 9.0 There are two kinds of people in the world, those who believe there are two kinds of people in the world and those who don't. - Robert Benchley Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
Felix Miata wrote: [..] Looks like this is my only option. I can't figure out any way to tell mdkKDM I want to login as root instead of regular user. In kcontrol (KDE Control Center) System Login Manager Users Administrator Mode, the default is to show users 'not hidden' at login, with root hidden. Unselect root as hidden user and root will have a graphical login. Rolf Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
Bill Mullen wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Felix Miata wrote: Looks like this is my only option. I can't figure out any way to tell mdkKDM I want to login as root instead of regular user. As far as I know there is no way to do so. This was the subject of very heated discussions during 9.0 development. It *can* be done, and fairly easily, as well. The question remains, Why would anyone want to login to a full X session as root? ... I just explained that in my last post, so how about sharing the secret how it's done? -- Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry. Ephesians 4:26 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
Bill Mullen wrote: I hate to bring up something that's been rehashed over and over again in so many forums, but I must ask, why do you feel any need at *all* to log into a full-blown X session as root? I have /never/ needed to do this (I'm not saying I've never done it, just that in retrospect I've never *needed* to, and I haven't done so for a very long time now). Frankly I just don't understand how this can ever be neccessary, or even all that helpful, to anyone; the risks, OTOH, are considerable and, to my way of thinking, are entirely and easily avoidable merely by never doing that. Enlighten me, would you? :) I don't do it often, but the usual reason is not remembering or not being able to figure out how to do some kind of configuration in bash that Mandrake provides GUI tools to do easily. I've never figured out the ramifications of doing su in a normal login to do such things, so I just don't. -- Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry. Ephesians 4:26 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
Am Donnerstag, 31. Juli 2003 23:43 schrieb Brant Fitzsimmons: Bill Mullen wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Felix Miata wrote: Looks like this is my only option. I can't figure out any way to tell mdkKDM I want to login as root instead of regular user. As far as I know there is no way to do so. This was the subject of very heated discussions during 9.0 development. It *can* be done, and fairly easily, as well. The question remains, Why would anyone want to login to a full X session as root? ... Because they want the convenience of full access to all files as with a console prompt running as root without the need to know how to use the command line. Bad reason under K-menu = applications = file tools or whatever it is called in english you can start konqueror in root-modus. The mandrake-tools can be accessed to from a normal login in various ways. There is no reason. to start X as root. Steffen Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Thursday 31 July 2003 05:33 pm, Felix Miata wrote: Bill Mullen wrote: I hate to bring up something that's been rehashed over and over again in so many forums, but I must ask, why do you feel any need at *all* to log into a full-blown X session as root? I have /never/ needed to do this (I'm not saying I've never done it, just that in retrospect I've never *needed* to, and I haven't done so for a very long time now). Frankly I just don't understand how this can ever be neccessary, or even all that helpful, to anyone; the risks, OTOH, are considerable and, to my way of thinking, are entirely and easily avoidable merely by never doing that. Enlighten me, would you? :) I don't do it often, but the usual reason is not remembering or not being able to figure out how to do some kind of configuration in bash that Mandrake provides GUI tools to do easily. I've never figured out the ramifications of doing su in a normal login to do such things, so I just don't. I'm not sure what you man by ramifications, but you can start any gui program as root that you need to run simply by launching it from the command line that you have su'd to root in, or you can learn how to use sudo, so that non-root users can perform certain root related tasks like installing rpm's and such. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
Felix Miata said: Bill Mullen wrote: I hate to bring up something that's been rehashed over and over again in so many forums, but I must ask, why do you feel any need at *all* to log into a full-blown X session as root? I have /never/ needed to do this (I'm not saying I've never done it, just that in retrospect I've never *needed* to, and I haven't done so for a very long time now). Frankly I just don't understand how this can ever be neccessary, or even all that helpful, to anyone; the risks, OTOH, are considerable and, to my way of thinking, are entirely and easily avoidable merely by never doing that. Enlighten me, would you? :) I don't do it often, but the usual reason is not remembering or not being able to figure out how to do some kind of configuration in bash that Mandrake provides GUI tools to do easily. I've never figured out the ramifications of doing su in a normal login to do such things, so I just don't. -- I don't know of any problems with doing 'su' then launching the required program. In fact, this is what I always recommend that people do. And in most cases, the Mandrake tools can be accessed as a user, with a prompt for the root password. -- Live fast, die young, You're sucking up my bandwidth. J.P. Pasnak, CD CCNA http://www.warpedsystems.sk.ca Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 14:36, Felix Miata wrote: Bill Mullen wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Felix Miata wrote: Looks like this is my only option. I can't figure out any way to tell mdkKDM I want to login as root instead of regular user. As far as I know there is no way to do so. This was the subject of very heated discussions during 9.0 development. It *can* be done, and fairly easily, as well. The question remains, Why would anyone want to login to a full X session as root? ... I just explained that in my last post, so how about sharing the secret how it's done? cd /etc/sysconfig/ and edit the file desktop to say KDM GDM or XDM (and if you chose kdm make sure it's installed the rpm is kdebase-kdm) James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Rolf Pedersen wrote: Felix Miata wrote: [..] Looks like this is my only option. I can't figure out any way to tell mdkKDM I want to login as root instead of regular user. In kcontrol (KDE Control Center) System Login Manager Users Administrator Mode, the default is to show users 'not hidden' at login, with root hidden. Unselect root as hidden user and root will have a graphical login. Rolf I was under the impression that that only affected KDM. I was wrong. -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
Bill Mullen wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Felix Miata wrote: Looks like this is my only option. I can't figure out any way to tell mdkKDM I want to login as root instead of regular user. As far as I know there is no way to do so. This was the subject of very heated discussions during 9.0 development. It *can* be done, and fairly easily, as well. The question remains, Why would anyone want to login to a full X session as root? ... Because they want the convenience of full access to all files as with a console prompt running as root without the need to know how to use the command line. -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 11:45, Greg Meyer wrote: On Thursday 31 July 2003 10:02 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 02:53, James Sparenberg wrote: Felix .. sorry, not to prefer one over the other. I just never use grub. The only other boot loaders I've ever used come with FreeBSD, or in the early days of my Unix / Linux trials Loadlin. James Ahhh! Another one. I've stayed put with Lilo as well. ;) GrUB rocks! Especially if you multi-boot off of several disk. I do (4 disks to be exact 9 OS versions) and I use Lilo quiet well. Just like I said. I learned how to do all this long before Grub... I know it works and It works the same way every time. You want Grub... fine. It's your box. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
James Sparenberg wrote: As for turning off mdkkdm. Go to /etc/sysconfig and edit the file desktop. Make it say KDM GDM or XDM and you will again have a fully functioning Linux box. Not a Hi! you are stupid and we know better than you. box. (No need to remove anything. but... you may need to add kdebase-kdm it doesn't get installed by default gdm and xdm do.) Cute: #urpmi kdebase-kdm-3.1-83mdk.i586.rpm The following packages have to be removed for others to be upgraded: kdebase-3.1-83.3mdk (due to unsatisfied kdebase == 3.1-83mdk) kdebase-devel-3.1-83.3mdk (due to unsatisfied kdebase == 3.1-83mdk) kdebase-nsplugins-3.1-83.3mdk (due to unsatisfied kdebase == 3.1-83mdk) do you agree ? (Y/n) So now what should I do? -- Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry. Ephesians 4:26 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Bill Mullen wrote: The question remains, Why would anyone want to login to a full X session as root? ... Because they want the convenience of full access to all files as with a console prompt running as root without the need to know how to use the command line. And su-ing to root in a terminal, and then running konqueror or nautilus or drakconf (or whatever) fails to provide this how, pray tell? Many people want many things which are not good for them in any way; I want no part of making those sorts of wishes any easier to satisfy. -- Bill Mullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA, USA RLU #270075 MDK 8.1 9.0 There are two kinds of people in the world, those who believe there are two kinds of people in the world and those who don't. - Robert Benchley Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Steffen Barszus wrote: Am Donnerstag, 31. Juli 2003 23:43 schrieb Brant Fitzsimmons: Bill Mullen wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Felix Miata wrote: Looks like this is my only option. I can't figure out any way to tell mdkKDM I want to login as root instead of regular user. As far as I know there is no way to do so. This was the subject of very heated discussions during 9.0 development. It *can* be done, and fairly easily, as well. The question remains, Why would anyone want to login to a full X session as root? ... Because they want the convenience of full access to all files as with a console prompt running as root without the need to know how to use the command line. Bad reason under K-menu = applications = file tools or whatever it is called in english you can start konqueror in root-modus. The mandrake-tools can be accessed to from a normal login in various ways. There is no reason. to start X as root. Steffen Bad or not, it's still a reason. -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 13:24, Bill Mullen wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Felix Miata wrote: Greg Meyer wrote: urpme mdkkdm urpmi kdebase-kdm Looks like this is my only option. I can't figure out any way to tell mdkKDM I want to login as root instead of regular user. I hate to bring up something that's been rehashed over and over again in so many forums, but I must ask, why do you feel any need at *all* to log into a full-blown X session as root? I have /never/ needed to do this (I'm not saying I've never done it, just that in retrospect I've never *needed* to, and I haven't done so for a very long time now). Frankly I just don't understand how this can ever be neccessary, or even all that helpful, to anyone; the risks, OTOH, are considerable and, to my way of thinking, are entirely and easily avoidable merely by never doing that. Enlighten me, would you? :) It's his box... he want's to. That is all the reason in the world. I've done it a number of times. Why?... I build boxes for people and when I build the box it has no user. I nonetheless have to configure/setup the box and the only option is to log in as root. (much cleaner than creating / deleting a user just to su to root. and I rarely know who I'm building it for, only that I have to build X number of boxes.) Do I do it often on my home box? no. But I do, do it. I can't do any more damage that way than I can as a normal user and su/sudo. I also do a lot of repairs to boxes. I often login directly as root so that I can do repairs because I don't have a user on the box. As for turning off mdkkdm. Go to /etc/sysconfig and edit the file desktop. Make it say KDM GDM or XDM and you will again have a fully functioning Linux box. Not a Hi! you are stupid and we know better than you. box. (No need to remove anything. but... you may need to add kdebase-kdm it doesn't get installed by default gdm and xdm do.) James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Felix Miata wrote: Bill Mullen wrote: I hate to bring up something that's been rehashed over and over again in so many forums, but I must ask, why do you feel any need at *all* to log into a full-blown X session as root? I have /never/ needed to do this (I'm not saying I've never done it, just that in retrospect I've never *needed* to, and I haven't done so for a very long time now). Frankly I just don't understand how this can ever be neccessary, or even all that helpful, to anyone; the risks, OTOH, are considerable and, to my way of thinking, are entirely and easily avoidable merely by never doing that. Enlighten me, would you? :) I don't do it often, but the usual reason is not remembering or not being able to figure out how to do some kind of configuration in bash that Mandrake provides GUI tools to do easily. I've never figured out the ramifications of doing su in a normal login to do such things, so I just don't. Since you can run any program on the system from the command line when su-ed to root, including all the GUI ones like Mandrake Control Center (which is /usr/sbin/drakconf, BTW), I still don't see the need. The only ramification of using su in an xterm to become root is that any program you run from that shell thereafter is run as root; the rest of your desktop is running as your logged-in user, and is unaffected. If I were in the mood to worry about unknown ramifications, I would be worrying about the unknown (to you, as yet) ramifications of running an X session as root, were I you. :) The first rule of thumb on any Linux or *nix-based system is, Do as root only that absolute bare minimum that /must/ be done as root. -- Bill Mullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA, USA RLU #270075 MDK 8.1 9.0 There are two kinds of people in the world, those who believe there are two kinds of people in the world and those who don't. - Robert Benchley Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
Try another mirror. There is a kdebase-kdm-3.1-83.3mdk.i586.rpm around. I had to search few mirrors until I found it (sorry, I don't remember where it was). Avi On Thursday, Jul 31, 2003, at 17:53 America/Chicago, Felix Miata wrote: James Sparenberg wrote: As for turning off mdkkdm. Go to /etc/sysconfig and edit the file desktop. Make it say KDM GDM or XDM and you will again have a fully functioning Linux box. Not a Hi! you are stupid and we know better than you. box. (No need to remove anything. but... you may need to add kdebase-kdm it doesn't get installed by default gdm and xdm do.) Cute: #urpmi kdebase-kdm-3.1-83mdk.i586.rpm The following packages have to be removed for others to be upgraded: kdebase-3.1-83.3mdk (due to unsatisfied kdebase == 3.1-83mdk) kdebase-devel-3.1-83.3mdk (due to unsatisfied kdebase == 3.1-83mdk) kdebase-nsplugins-3.1-83.3mdk (due to unsatisfied kdebase == 3.1-83mdk) do you agree ? (Y/n) So now what should I do? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
Bill Mullen wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Bill Mullen wrote: The question remains, Why would anyone want to login to a full X session as root? ... Because they want the convenience of full access to all files as with a console prompt running as root without the need to know how to use the command line. And su-ing to root in a terminal, and then running konqueror or nautilus or drakconf (or whatever) fails to provide this how, pray tell? Many people want many things which are not good for them in any way; I want no part of making those sorts of wishes any easier to satisfy. Does it really piss you off that much that someone wants to do this? If you don't want to be a part of it: you don't have to. Keep in mind though that knowing how to do something is the same as actually doing it. It's not really our place to shield them from the knowledge of how to do it. Logging into X as root is risky, and therefore not recommended. There are times, however, where it may be more convenient, and even more importantly, what the person wants to do. Should they be allowed to gain the knowledge to do what they want with their own computer? As long as it *their* computer *they* will have to take the responsibility of what they do with it. There's a software company in Redmon, WA that applauds the there is only one way to do things, and that's our way line of thinking for computer use. Is this really the place for that kind of thinking? -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 15:53, Felix Miata wrote: James Sparenberg wrote: As for turning off mdkkdm. Go to /etc/sysconfig and edit the file desktop. Make it say KDM GDM or XDM and you will again have a fully functioning Linux box. Not a Hi! you are stupid and we know better than you. box. (No need to remove anything. but... you may need to add kdebase-kdm it doesn't get installed by default gdm and xdm do.) Cute: #urpmi kdebase-kdm-3.1-83mdk.i586.rpm The following packages have to be removed for others to be upgraded: kdebase-3.1-83.3mdk (due to unsatisfied kdebase == 3.1-83mdk) kdebase-devel-3.1-83.3mdk (due to unsatisfied kdebase == 3.1-83mdk) kdebase-nsplugins-3.1-83.3mdk (due to unsatisfied kdebase == 3.1-83mdk) do you agree ? (Y/n) So now what should I do? two choices... since it seems that the dependencies are hosed. download it and do an rpm -Uvh xxx.rpm --nodeps or ... use gdm. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 15:57, Bill Mullen wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Bill Mullen wrote: The question remains, Why would anyone want to login to a full X session as root? ... Because they want the convenience of full access to all files as with a console prompt running as root without the need to know how to use the command line. And su-ing to root in a terminal, and then running konqueror or nautilus or drakconf (or whatever) fails to provide this how, pray tell? Many people want many things which are not good for them in any way; I want no part of making those sorts of wishes any easier to satisfy. Bill said the same thing and look what we got winders. No it's like with my little guy. Sometimes I have to let him fall down.. so that he can learn to get up on his own again. If the user knows root. They can do the same damage no matter how they get to it. period. Tell them If you do this you can hose your box. and walk away. If you don't want to help them in the first place... don't offer. In for a penny in for a pound. Just don't ever tell me what I can or cannot do with my computer. Rules I remember. 1. If I offer to help and you say yes I don't get to complain about helping you. 2. Stupidity in users is a 1 to 1 relationship with how far to the edge of my knowledge they push me. 3. The person you are helping isn't that stupid... they got you to do it for free didn't they. 4. Don't do it for them, tell them how to do it themselves, then when they break it, show them how to get out of it. They will never ask you again to do something like this because they will either know how, or be so lazy they don't want to go through doing it themselves again. 5. Whenever you idiot proof something the number one idiot you expose is usually yourself. 6. If that idiot was so stupid he/she wouldn't have gotten around your magnificent idiot proofing in the first place. 7. Never argue with a man carrying dynamite and a lit cigarette ... All the no smoking signs in the world won't stop him from blowing himself up. Run instead, and hope he doesn't follow. james Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Felix Miata grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Cute: #urpmi kdebase-kdm-3.1-83mdk.i586.rpm The following packages have to be removed for others to be upgraded: kdebase-3.1-83.3mdk (due to unsatisfied kdebase == 3.1-83mdk) kdebase-devel-3.1-83.3mdk (due to unsatisfied kdebase == 3.1-83mdk) kdebase-nsplugins-3.1-83.3mdk (due to unsatisfied kdebase == 3.1-83mdk) do you agree ? (Y/n) So now what should I do? You've applied updates to KDE (which is good). You need to get the latest version of kdebase-kdm so that the versions match. You should be able to find the rpm at any mirror site, or I expect that even www.rpmfind.net has it. Download it and rpm -Uvh it. Then all will be in sync. --Dave Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Bill Mullen grabbed a keyboard and wrote: The first rule of thumb on any Linux or *nix-based system is, Do as root only that absolute bare minimum that /must/ be done as root. What he said. Remember, when you are running as root, disaster is one typo away. --Dave Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Avi Schwartz wrote: On Thursday, Jul 31, 2003, at 17:53 America/Chicago, Felix Miata wrote: #urpmi kdebase-kdm-3.1-83mdk.i586.rpm The following packages have to be removed for others to be upgraded: kdebase-3.1-83.3mdk (due to unsatisfied kdebase == 3.1-83mdk) kdebase-devel-3.1-83.3mdk (due to unsatisfied kdebase == 3.1-83mdk) kdebase-nsplugins-3.1-83.3mdk (due to unsatisfied kdebase == 3.1-83mdk) do you agree ? (Y/n) So now what should I do? Try another mirror. There is a kdebase-kdm-3.1-83.3mdk.i586.rpm around. I had to search few mirrors until I found it (sorry, I don't remember where it was). Well, I missed the .3 part. I was in /mnt/distro/Mandrake/RPMS when I issued that command. :-p This is a fresh install with urpm set to whatever defaults, and I had let the autoupdates run during the install, where the .3's were obviously picked up. -- Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry. Ephesians 4:26 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Thursday 31 July 2003 03:36 pm, Felix Miata wrote: Bill Mullen wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Felix Miata wrote: Looks like this is my only option. I can't figure out any way to tell mdkKDM I want to login as root instead of regular user. As far as I know there is no way to do so. This was the subject of very heated discussions during 9.0 development. It *can* be done, and fairly easily, as well. The question remains, Why would anyone want to login to a full X session as root? ... I just explained that in my last post, so how about sharing the secret how it's done? The simpelest way is to go to Kcontrol - System - Login Manager - Users - Administrative Mode and change the setting to let the root user be visible in the login window. -- Ken Thompson -- WA7SYR Payette, Idaho Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
Felix Miata grabbed a keyboard and wrote: I don't do it often, but the usual reason is not remembering or not being able to figure out how to do some kind of configuration in bash that Mandrake provides GUI tools to do easily. I've never figured out the ramifications of doing su in a normal login to do such things, so I just don't. FWIW, I've found that the ramification for bringing up most of the Mandrake configuration tools (for example, Mandrake Control Center started either via the K menu or by typing drakconf from a shell window) from a non-privileged shell is that you get prompted to enter the root password before it continues. :-) --Dave Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thursday 31 July 2003 04:09 pm, Steffen Barszus wrote: Am Donnerstag, 31. Juli 2003 23:43 schrieb Brant Fitzsimmons: Bill Mullen wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Felix Miata wrote: Looks like this is my only option. I can't figure out any way to tell mdkKDM I want to login as root instead of regular user. As far as I know there is no way to do so. This was the subject of very heated discussions during 9.0 development. It *can* be done, and fairly easily, as well. The question remains, Why would anyone want to login to a full X session as root? ... Because they want the convenience of full access to all files as with a console prompt running as root without the need to know how to use the command line. Bad reason under K-menu = applications = file tools or whatever it is called in english you can start konqueror in root-modus. The mandrake-tools can be accessed to from a normal login in various ways. There is no reason to start X as root. ^^^ Steffen Phooy ! ! ! I like single click mouse action and have yet to find a way to get itn the root file manager short of logging in as root and changing it in Kcontrol center. There is NO administrative mode in the mouse section,so, you can only change for the immidiate user. -- Ken Thompson -- WA7SYR Payette, Idaho Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thursday 31 July 2003 10:03 pm, Ken Thompson wrote: Phooy ! ! ! I like single click mouse action and have yet to find a way to get itn the root file manager short of logging in as root and changing it in Kcontrol center. There is NO administrative mode in the mouse section,so, you can only change for the immidiate user. Open a console SU to root typer kcontrol and hit enter voila, running KDE Control Center with root priviledges while logged in as a user. Use this method to start any gui program that needs root priviledge. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
I've just installed ML 9.1 on a clean system, and discovered that it keeps the same graphic in place during the boot sequence that is there when lilo is letting you pick which system you want to boot. I don't mind the graphic around that, but I much prefer a boot up window (shows the various ok messages on just a plain-old text window). I can't seem to find where I can turn that off so that it uses plain-old text. Also, the X system seems to default to using mdkKDM as the window manager at login, and I want to use the KDM window manager so that things like the clock will actually show up in the login window when I've selected the clock from the control panel under login preferences. I can't seem to remember how I did it on my already-set up machine. :-) Can someone point me in the right direction, please? Thanks! --Dave -- David Guntner GEnie: Just say NO! http://www.akaMail.com/pgpkey/davidg or key server for PGP Public key Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wednesday 30 July 2003 04:17 pm, David Guntner wrote: I've just installed ML 9.1 on a clean system, and discovered that it keeps the same graphic in place during the boot sequence that is there when lilo is letting you pick which system you want to boot. I don't mind the graphic around that, but I much prefer a boot up window (shows the various ok messages on just a plain-old text window). I can't seem to find where I can turn that off so that it uses plain-old text. Just uninstall the bootsplash package urpme bootsplash Also, the X system seems to default to using mdkKDM as the window manager at login, and I want to use the KDM window manager so that things like the clock will actually show up in the login window when I've selected the clock from the control panel under login preferences. I can't seem to remember how I did it on my already-set up machine. :-) Can someone point me in the right direction, please? urpme mdkkdm urpmi kdebase-kdm -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
Am Donnerstag, 31. Juli 2003 00:16 schrieb Greg Meyer: On Wednesday 30 July 2003 04:17 pm, David Guntner wrote: I've just installed ML 9.1 on a clean system, and discovered that it keeps the same graphic in place during the boot sequence that is there when lilo is letting you pick which system you want to boot. I don't mind the graphic around that, but I much prefer a boot up window (shows the various ok messages on just a plain-old text window). I can't seem to find where I can turn that off so that it uses plain-old text. Just uninstall the bootsplash package urpme bootsplash Also, the X system seems to default to using mdkKDM as the window manager at login, and I want to use the KDM window manager so that things like the clock will actually show up in the login window when I've selected the clock from the control panel under login preferences. I can't seem to remember how I did it on my already-set up machine. :-) Can someone point me in the right direction, please? urpme mdkkdm urpmi kdebase-kdm Wow what radical. Not to recommend I think. For the first: drakboot = using theme for console, take the cross out For the second: drakedm = choose the one you wish Both should be reachable over MCC Steffen Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 16:20, Steffen Barszus wrote: Am Donnerstag, 31. Juli 2003 00:16 schrieb Greg Meyer: On Wednesday 30 July 2003 04:17 pm, David Guntner wrote: I've just installed ML 9.1 on a clean system, and discovered that it keeps the same graphic in place during the boot sequence that is there when lilo is letting you pick which system you want to boot. I don't mind the graphic around that, but I much prefer a boot up window (shows the various ok messages on just a plain-old text window). I can't seem to find where I can turn that off so that it uses plain-old text. Just uninstall the bootsplash package urpme bootsplash Also, the X system seems to default to using mdkKDM as the window manager at login, and I want to use the KDM window manager so that things like the clock will actually show up in the login window when I've selected the clock from the control panel under login preferences. I can't seem to remember how I did it on my already-set up machine. :-) Can someone point me in the right direction, please? urpme mdkkdm urpmi kdebase-kdm Wow what radical. Not to recommend I think. For the first: drakboot = using theme for console, take the cross out For the second: drakedm = choose the one you wish Both should be reachable over MCC Steffen or in your lilo.conf vga=[some number] changed to vga=normal James __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Wednesday 30 July 2003 07:44 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: or in your lilo.conf vga=[some number] changed to vga=normal What I like about the bootsplash removal, is that I can still use the framebuffer for my console display, getting more than 80x25 text resolution. If you just use vga=normal, console's display at 80x25 text, but by removing, I can leave vga=791 and display my console's using the frambuffer and get more on the screen. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Wednesday 30 July 2003 07:20 pm, Steffen Barszus wrote: urpme bootsplash ... urpme mdkkdm urpmi kdebase-kdm Wow what radical. Not to recommend I think. For the first: drakboot = using theme for console, take the cross out For the second: drakedm = choose the one you wish Both should be reachable over MCC c'mon Steffen, this is the expert list. If it had been the newbie list, your answer is correct, but since experts don't use the gui, I think my way is more apropos. :p -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
Greg Meyer grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Just uninstall the bootsplash package urpme bootsplash [...] urpme mdkkdm urpmi kdebase-kdm Well, that seems a bit of a brute-force approach, but I guess it will work. :-) --Dave -- David Guntner GEnie: Just say NO! http://www.akaMail.com/pgpkey/davidg or key server for PGP Public key Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
James Sparenberg grabbed a keyboard and wrote: On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 16:20, Steffen Barszus wrote: For the first: drakboot = using theme for console, take the cross out For the second: drakedm = choose the one you wish Both should be reachable over MCC or in your lilo.conf vga=[some number] changed to vga=normal Ah! Good catch. :-) I was about to ask him what cross out? Because I couldn't find anything on that menu to uncheck WRT bootsplash. Once you've set vga=normal in lilo.conf and run lilo, those options completely drop out of the drakboot program. --Dave -- David Guntner GEnie: Just say NO! http://www.akaMail.com/pgpkey/davidg or key server for PGP Public key Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Wednesday 30 July 2003 04:17 pm, David Guntner wrote: I've just installed ML 9.1 on a clean system, and discovered that it keeps the same graphic in place during the boot sequence that is there when lilo is letting you pick which system you want to boot. I don't mind the graphic around that, but I much prefer a boot up window (shows the various ok messages on just a plain-old text window). I can't seem to find where I can turn that off so that it uses plain-old text. Just remove the bootsplash rpm (urpme or the software manager) and then adjust your /etc/lilo.conf file. Mine looks like this: image=/boot/vmlinuz unnecessary stuff deleted vga=791 and don't forget to run (as root/su) /sbin/lilo so the changes are reflected. I much prefer seeing everything that is going on. I even put noquiet in there so I can see some hardware goodies during bootup. :-) HTHs. -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
David Guntner wrote: James Sparenberg grabbed a keyboard and wrote: or in your lilo.conf vga=[some number] changed to vga=normal Ah! Good catch. :-) I was about to ask him what cross out? Because I couldn't find anything on that menu to uncheck WRT bootsplash. Once you've set vga=normal in lilo.conf and run lilo, those options completely drop out of the drakboot program. What happens to those who never run lilo? I always depend on Grub for boot. No need to run it after changing its boot config file. -- Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry. Ephesians 4:26 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
