RE: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs
On Thu, 2001-12-06 at 17:06, Robin wrote: Hi Everyone, snip BTW, Outlook XP also automatically blocks off sending and receiving files with exe, vbs and quite a few others, if anyone figures out how to save those attachments please let me know, thanks. Robin I believe you're supposed to be able to go to 'tools' - 'macros' - 'security' and change the security level to be able to get the attachments. I've played with it before but never got it to work; not sure what I did wrong ??? Anyway, before I get flamed off the list; let me end with this: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/TechNet/prodtechnol/office/maintain/featusability/xpsec.asp I hope this helps - I'm outta here! Mike Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs
On Fri, 2001-12-07 at 02:23, Mike Tracy Holt wrote: On Thu, 2001-12-06 at 17:06, Robin wrote: Hi Everyone, snip BTW, Outlook XP also automatically blocks off sending and receiving files with exe, vbs and quite a few others, if anyone figures out how to save those attachments please let me know, thanks. Robin I believe you're supposed to be able to go to 'tools' - 'macros' - 'security' and change the security level to be able to get the attachments. I've played with it before but never got it to work; not sure what I did wrong ??? Anyway, before I get flamed off the list; let me end with this: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/TechNet/prodtechnol/office/maintain/featusability/xpsec.asp I hope this helps - I'm outta here! Mike Me again, found the link you're looking for: http://www.slipstick.com/outlook/ol2002/newfeatures.htm#security Sorry all, I promise that's it! Mike Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs
Randy, Does Redmond, Washington know you're using _their_ software to post to the oppostition's mailing list? Furthermore, are they aware that you're a part-time Linux user and very likely a dual-booter at that? heavens! :-P -- daRcmaTTeR =/\=??? |%C++ Beware of little sins. Mosquitoes drink more blood than lions. Author unknown On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Robin wrote: Hi Everyone, Just putting in my $0.02 here to whoever cares. With Outlook XP, the email format _can_ be changed with the choice of HTML, Plain Text or Rich Text for _both_ sending and replying mail. I don't have Outlook 2000 or 98 running here, so cannot comment on that. However, I assume that instead of replying, the text in message can always be copied and pasted into a new message with Plain Text format :^). BTW, Outlook XP also automatically blocks off sending and receiving files with exe, vbs and quite a few others, if anyone figures out how to save those attachments please let me know, thanks. Robin To Randy If you like to add screen shot of where to turn off HTML in Outlook XP, let me know and I will email them to you. Robin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Franki Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 3:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs I think that Outlook 2000 (what I am writing this with..) will only send html if the email that you are replying to is html.. I have outlook set to text only on new messages, and txt only on reply.. but outlook still occasionally uses html if you respond to a html email.. its a pain that.. pretty soon I will ditch outlook and then winblows altogether.. Virus's are going to demand that I do, my linux mail server has stopped so many virus's from being recieved lately that it is rediculous... and I don't believe that its going to get any better... Still, even if I was using only linux I would still use postfix/amavisd/filescan to do all my emailing, because I don't wish to make matters worse, and even if uneffected myself, I would not want to pass virus's along not knowing what they are, (since the will not execute on linux I may not even know they are virus's and pass them on.) but I love the fact that my 3 linux mail servers all do a fantastic job of protecting winblows users. I have saved about 30 or more virus's in the last week, and most of them have been badtrans... (got another 3 of them last night.) love this linux.. Frank Mandrake8.1 kernel 2.4.16-1mdk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of George Jones (IT) Sent: Tuesday, 4 December 2001 2:57 AM To: 'Expert' Subject: RE: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs Sweet!!! This email should be in plain text now. -Original Message- From: Randy Kramer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 1:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs I don't use Outlook, but I once tried to help somebody shut off HTML sending and think I accomplished it (for Outlook 97). Try checking out this page: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/OutlookExpressPlainText Note a few things: * Even though the URL refers to Outlook Express, I am fairly certain that this was really for Outlook 97. There are some screen shots attached that might help (and they show the critical checkbox to uncheck the option to send HTML). * The page is *very* rough -- I collected the information (mistakenly) because I thought it was Outlook that my friend was having trouble with -- when I found out it was Exchange, I just saved the notes for future reference. * If you look into that page, give me some feedback -- you can do that either by email or by adding comments to the page. Hope this helps, Randy Kramer Mike Leone wrote: No, that won't help. I don't use Word as my email editor - no sane person does :-) - and my Outlook still likes to send in HTML. Outlook Express seems to obey the plain text only wishes of it's users, tho. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs
At 06:23 AM 12/7/2001 -0500, you wrote: Randy, Does Redmond, Washington know you're using _their_ software to post to the oppostition's mailing list? Furthermore, are they aware that you're a part-time Linux user and very likely a dual-booter at that? heavens! Yes, Billy Boy, has been advised of this extremely serious violation. You will soon here a rap at your door J.C.Woods Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs
J. Craig Woods wrote: At 06:23 AM 12/7/2001 -0500, you wrote: Randy, Does Redmond, Washington know you're using _their_ software to post to the oppostition's mailing list? Furthermore, are they aware that you're a part-time Linux user and very likely a dual-booter at that? heavens! Yes, Billy Boy, has been advised of this extremely serious violation. You will soon here a rap at your door Oh my gosh! What am I going to do now? ;-) Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs
On Friday 07 December 2001 02:16 pm, Randy Kramer wrote: J. Craig Woods wrote: At 06:23 AM 12/7/2001 -0500, you wrote: Randy, Does Redmond, Washington know you're using _their_ software to post to the oppostition's mailing list? Furthermore, are they aware that you're a part-time Linux user and very likely a dual-booter at that? heavens! Yes, Billy Boy, has been advised of this extremely serious violation. You will soon here a rap at your door Oh my gosh! What am I going to do now? ;-) Randy Kramer Randy: Well, there's always format c: /u Happy Friday, -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs
Yeah, well, before you hear that rap at your door, you can bet that there will have been five new worms/viri/trojans that were aimed SOLELY at Windoze boxes and your little Tux Racer kept chugging along. When the M.I.B. from Mr. Bill come to see you, lay that little fact on 'em and tell 'em to go peddle their papers somewhere else! Vive le Revolution! Peace, Dennis in Victoria, TX Randy Kramer wrote: J. Craig Woods wrote: At 06:23 AM 12/7/2001 -0500, you wrote: Randy, Does Redmond, Washington know you're using _their_ software to post to the oppostition's mailing list? Furthermore, are they aware that you're a part-time Linux user and very likely a dual-booter at that? heavens! Yes, Billy Boy, has been advised of this extremely serious violation. You will soon here a rap at your door Oh my gosh! What am I going to do now? ;-) Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs
Carroll Grigsby wrote: Well, there's always format c: /u Carroll, Just out of curiosity, what is the /u parameter? (I stopped at Win95 (for the most part).) Happy Friday, Thanks! Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs
On Friday 07 December 2001 18:41, you wrote: Carroll Grigsby wrote: Well, there's always format c: /u (U)nconditional Carroll, Just out of curiosity, what is the /u parameter? (I stopped at Win95 (for the most part).) Happy Friday, Thanks! Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs
Darwin Gottfried wrote: (U)nconditional Darwin, Thanks! Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs
Thanks a bunch Mike, now I finally get to see what my friends sent me. Robin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mike Tracy Holt Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 2:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs On Fri, 2001-12-07 at 02:23, Mike Tracy Holt wrote: On Thu, 2001-12-06 at 17:06, Robin wrote: Hi Everyone, snip BTW, Outlook XP also automatically blocks off sending and receiving files with exe, vbs and quite a few others, if anyone figures out how to save those attachments please let me know, thanks. Robin I believe you're supposed to be able to go to 'tools' - 'macros' - 'security' and change the security level to be able to get the attachments. I've played with it before but never got it to work; not sure what I did wrong ??? Anyway, before I get flamed off the list; let me end with this: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/TechNet/pro dtechnol/office/maintain/featusability/xpsec.asp I hope this helps - I'm outta here! Mike Me again, found the link you're looking for: http://www.slipstick.com/outlook/ol2002/newfeatures.htm#security Sorry all, I promise that's it! Mike _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs
In what manner do you mean Forced? I am somewhat forced to use Lotus Notes, but I've found that most of what I do has a couple ways to do it and there is generally at least one way around forced. Unfortunately sometimes that way is not necessarily pretty. George Jones (IT) gjones@bordersgroupiTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] nc.com cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs expert-owner@linux-ma ndrake.com 12/03/2001 11:35 AM Please respond to expert Some of us (yes, me!) have no choice, it seems. I'm forced to use Outlook here at Borders corporate offices. Even when set to plain text, it looks like the Exchange servers are set to convert to either rich text or to html. At home, I usually send plain text in outlook express, but I recently discovered Sylpheed and have adopted it as my primary mail client. -Original Message- From: Michael Scottaline [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 4:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 21:33:34 + g [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello to all; this does not apply to all that receive this, but it does give all something to think about. ok, you html nuts, i am not flaming you, but i am going to blast you, not just you, but all in general who insist on sending html email to list such as these. please do not take offense, but try to understand what you can cause by sending html. i too received virus, which was an html message, but it did not get into my system. it is still sitting at my isp. why? simple. in locking down my system, i have set my maximum message size to block any messages over 35k bytes. = I agree with your diatribe v. html mail, but another solution to at least 90% of your concerns would be to stop using windows 98 (where you had sent the message from). Good idea to use Mozilla (as you seem to) and not Outlook, but Linux is immune to most of the virii out there that are really designed to exploit windows machines. ;o) Mike -- Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen. -- Albert Einstein _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs
Hi Everyone, Just putting in my $0.02 here to whoever cares. With Outlook XP, the email format _can_ be changed with the choice of HTML, Plain Text or Rich Text for _both_ sending and replying mail. I don't have Outlook 2000 or 98 running here, so cannot comment on that. However, I assume that instead of replying, the text in message can always be copied and pasted into a new message with Plain Text format :^). BTW, Outlook XP also automatically blocks off sending and receiving files with exe, vbs and quite a few others, if anyone figures out how to save those attachments please let me know, thanks. Robin To Randy If you like to add screen shot of where to turn off HTML in Outlook XP, let me know and I will email them to you. Robin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Franki Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 3:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs I think that Outlook 2000 (what I am writing this with..) will only send html if the email that you are replying to is html.. I have outlook set to text only on new messages, and txt only on reply.. but outlook still occasionally uses html if you respond to a html email.. its a pain that.. pretty soon I will ditch outlook and then winblows altogether.. Virus's are going to demand that I do, my linux mail server has stopped so many virus's from being recieved lately that it is rediculous... and I don't believe that its going to get any better... Still, even if I was using only linux I would still use postfix/amavisd/filescan to do all my emailing, because I don't wish to make matters worse, and even if uneffected myself, I would not want to pass virus's along not knowing what they are, (since the will not execute on linux I may not even know they are virus's and pass them on.) but I love the fact that my 3 linux mail servers all do a fantastic job of protecting winblows users. I have saved about 30 or more virus's in the last week, and most of them have been badtrans... (got another 3 of them last night.) love this linux.. Frank Mandrake8.1 kernel 2.4.16-1mdk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of George Jones (IT) Sent: Tuesday, 4 December 2001 2:57 AM To: 'Expert' Subject: RE: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs Sweet!!! This email should be in plain text now. -Original Message- From: Randy Kramer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 1:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs I don't use Outlook, but I once tried to help somebody shut off HTML sending and think I accomplished it (for Outlook 97). Try checking out this page: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/OutlookExpressPlainText Note a few things: * Even though the URL refers to Outlook Express, I am fairly certain that this was really for Outlook 97. There are some screen shots attached that might help (and they show the critical checkbox to uncheck the option to send HTML). * The page is *very* rough -- I collected the information (mistakenly) because I thought it was Outlook that my friend was having trouble with -- when I found out it was Exchange, I just saved the notes for future reference. * If you look into that page, give me some feedback -- you can do that either by email or by adding comments to the page. Hope this helps, Randy Kramer Mike Leone wrote: No, that won't help. I don't use Word as my email editor - no sane person does :-) - and my Outlook still likes to send in HTML. Outlook Express seems to obey the plain text only wishes of it's users, tho. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs
Robin wrote: To Randy If you like to add screen shot of where to turn off HTML in Outlook XP, let me know and I will email them to you. Robin, Sure, that would be great! You can email them to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED], or you can simply upload them yourself on the TWiki page: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/OutlookPlainText (if you register). After you register (at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration), simply click on the word attach near the bottom of the page (after edit). regards, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs
Michael, Thanks! Randy Kramer Michael Leone wrote: Randy Kramer wrote: * X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) (Maybe this is telling me something, but I'm not sure what.) It means Exchange 5.5 is the mail server. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs
Randy: Aside: I couldn't tell the name of your email client from the headers in the message -- the only things I found that looked relevant were: * X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) (Maybe this is telling me something, but I'm not sure what.) It means Exchange 5.5 is the mail server. -- -- Michael J. Leone Registered Linux user #201348 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 50453890 AIM: MikeLeone PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF PGP public key: http://www.mike-leone.com/~turgon/turgon-public-key.gpg Foreman, roving paving crew, Dept. of Roads, Hades. msg45569/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs
Title: RE: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs Some of us (yes, me!) have no choice, it seems. I'm forced to use Outlook here at Borders corporate offices. Even when set to plain text, it looks like the Exchange servers are set to convert to either rich text or to html. At home, I usually send plain text in outlook express, but I recently discovered Sylpheed and have adopted it as my primary mail client. -Original Message- From: Michael Scottaline [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 4:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 21:33:34 + g [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello to all; this does not apply to all that receive this, but it does give all something to think about. ok, you html nuts, i am not flaming you, but i am going to blast you, not just you, but all in general who insist on sending html email to list such as these. please do not take offense, but try to understand what you can cause by sending html. i too received virus, which was an html message, but it did not get into my system. it is still sitting at my isp. why? simple. in locking down my system, i have set my maximum message size to block any messages over 35k bytes. = I agree with your diatribe v. html mail, but another solution to at least 90% of your concerns would be to stop using windows 98 (where you had sent the message from). Good idea to use Mozilla (as you seem to) and not Outlook, but Linux is immune to most of the virii out there that are really designed to exploit windows machines. ;o) Mike -- Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen. -- Albert Einstein _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs
There's an option to use or not use Word as your default editor for E-Mail in Outlook. It's in various locations depending on the version you have at work. Try turning that off and maybe it'll stop doing HTML. On Mon, 3 Dec 2001 11:35:04 -0500 George Jones (IT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George Some of us (yes, me!) have no choice, it seems. I'm forced to use Outlook George here at Borders corporate offices. Even when set to plain text, it looks George like the Exchange servers are set to convert to either rich text or to html. George George At home, I usually send plain text in outlook express, but I recently George discovered Sylpheed and have adopted it as my primary mail client. George George -Original Message- George From: Michael Scottaline [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] George Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 4:57 AM George To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] George Subject: Re: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs George George George On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 21:33:34 + George g [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George George hello to all; George George this does not apply to all that receive this, but it does give all George something to think about. George George George ok, you html nuts, George George i am not flaming you, but i am going to blast you, not just you, but George all in general who insist on sending html email to list such as these. George George please do not take offense, but try to understand what you can George cause by sending html. George George i too received virus, which was an html message, but it did not George get into my system. it is still sitting at my isp. George George why? simple. in locking down my system, i have set my maximum George message size to block any messages over 35k bytes. George = George I agree with your diatribe v. html mail, but another solution to at least George 90% of your concerns would be to stop using windows 98 (where you had sent George the message from). Good idea to use Mozilla (as you seem to) and not George Outlook, but Linux is immune to most of the virii out there that are George really designed to exploit windows machines. ;o) George Mike George George George -- George Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen. George -- Albert Einstein George George George George _ George Do You Yahoo!? George Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com George George -- Brian - [EMAIL PROTECTED] My Home Page: http://www.brimac.com/~brianmac Fine Photos: http://www.brimacphotography.com Art for Sale: http://www.artbrowser.com Classified Advertising: http://www.sellit2000.com The term the whole 9 yards came from W.W.II fighter pilots in the South Pacific. When arming their airplanes on the ground, the .50 caliber machine gun ammo belts measured exactly 27 feet, before being loaded into the fuselage. If the pilots fired all their ammo at a target, it got the whole 9 yards. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs
Title: RE: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs Nononono... When I send plain text to whomever (mailing lists included), our exchange servers are set to convert outgoing mail to html or rich text (I can't figure out which it's doing). Our data security guys are pretty much on top of things when it comes to killing off virii at the servers. As a domain admin, I could go in and change things on our Exchange servers, but DS wouldn't like that very much. :) -Original Message- From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 11:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs There's an option to use or not use Word as your default editor for E-Mail in Outlook. It's in various locations depending on the version you have at work. Try turning that off and maybe it'll stop doing HTML. On Mon, 3 Dec 2001 11:35:04 -0500 George Jones (IT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George Some of us (yes, me!) have no choice, it seems. I'm forced to use Outlook George here at Borders corporate offices. Even when set to plain text, it looks George like the Exchange servers are set to convert to either rich text or to html. George George At home, I usually send plain text in outlook express, but I recently George discovered Sylpheed and have adopted it as my primary mail client. George George -Original Message- George From: Michael Scottaline [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] George Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 4:57 AM George To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] George Subject: Re: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs George George George On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 21:33:34 + George g [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George George hello to all; George George this does not apply to all that receive this, but it does give all George something to think about. George George George ok, you html nuts, George George i am not flaming you, but i am going to blast you, not just you, but George all in general who insist on sending html email to list such as these. George George please do not take offense, but try to understand what you can George cause by sending html. George George i too received virus, which was an html message, but it did not George get into my system. it is still sitting at my isp. George George why? simple. in locking down my system, i have set my maximum George message size to block any messages over 35k bytes. George = George I agree with your diatribe v. html mail, but another solution to at least George 90% of your concerns would be to stop using windows 98 (where you had sent George the message from). Good idea to use Mozilla (as you seem to) and not George Outlook, but Linux is immune to most of the virii out there that are George really designed to exploit windows machines. ;o) George Mike George George George -- George Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen. George -- Albert Einstein George George George George _ George Do You Yahoo!? George Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com George George -- Brian - [EMAIL PROTECTED] My Home Page: http://www.brimac.com/~brianmac Fine Photos: http://www.brimacphotography.com Art for Sale: http://www.artbrowser.com Classified Advertising: http://www.sellit2000.com The term the whole 9 yards came from W.W.II fighter pilots in the South Pacific. When arming their airplanes on the ground, the .50 caliber machine gun ammo belts measured exactly 27 feet, before being loaded into the fuselage. If the pilots fired all their ammo at a target, it got the whole 9 yards.
Re: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs
No, that won't help. I don't use Word as my email editor - no sane person does :-) - and my Outlook still likes to send in HTML. Outlook Express seems to obey the plain text only wishes of it's users, tho. - Original Message - From: Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs There's an option to use or not use Word as your default editor for E-Mail in Outlook. It's in various locations depending on the version you have at work. Try turning that off and maybe it'll stop doing HTML. On Mon, 3 Dec 2001 11:35:04 -0500 George Jones (IT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George Some of us (yes, me!) have no choice, it seems. I'm forced to use Outlook George here at Borders corporate offices. Even when set to plain text, it looks George like the Exchange servers are set to convert to either rich text or to html. George George At home, I usually send plain text in outlook express, but I recently George discovered Sylpheed and have adopted it as my primary mail client. George George -Original Message- George From: Michael Scottaline [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] George Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 4:57 AM George To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] George Subject: Re: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs George George George On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 21:33:34 + George g [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George George hello to all; George George this does not apply to all that receive this, but it does give all George something to think about. George George George ok, you html nuts, George George i am not flaming you, but i am going to blast you, not just you, but George all in general who insist on sending html email to list such as these. George George please do not take offense, but try to understand what you can George cause by sending html. George George i too received virus, which was an html message, but it did not George get into my system. it is still sitting at my isp. George George why? simple. in locking down my system, i have set my maximum George message size to block any messages over 35k bytes. George = George I agree with your diatribe v. html mail, but another solution to at least George 90% of your concerns would be to stop using windows 98 (where you had sent George the message from). Good idea to use Mozilla (as you seem to) and not George Outlook, but Linux is immune to most of the virii out there that are George really designed to exploit windows machines. ;o) George Mike George George George -- George Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen. George -- Albert Einstein George George George George _ George Do You Yahoo!? George Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com George George -- Brian - [EMAIL PROTECTED] My Home Page: http://www.brimac.com/~brianmac Fine Photos: http://www.brimacphotography.com Art for Sale: http://www.artbrowser.com Classified Advertising: http://www.sellit2000.com The term the whole 9 yards came from W.W.II fighter pilots in the South Pacific. When arming their airplanes on the ground, the .50 caliber machine gun ammo belts measured exactly 27 feet, before being loaded into the fuselage. If the pilots fired all their ammo at a target, it got the whole 9 yards. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs
I don't use Outlook, but I once tried to help somebody shut off HTML sending and think I accomplished it (for Outlook 97). Try checking out this page: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/OutlookExpressPlainText Note a few things: * Even though the URL refers to Outlook Express, I am fairly certain that this was really for Outlook 97. There are some screen shots attached that might help (and they show the critical checkbox to uncheck the option to send HTML). * The page is *very* rough -- I collected the information (mistakenly) because I thought it was Outlook that my friend was having trouble with -- when I found out it was Exchange, I just saved the notes for future reference. * If you look into that page, give me some feedback -- you can do that either by email or by adding comments to the page. Hope this helps, Randy Kramer Mike Leone wrote: No, that won't help. I don't use Word as my email editor - no sane person does :-) - and my Outlook still likes to send in HTML. Outlook Express seems to obey the plain text only wishes of it's users, tho. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs
Sweet!!! This email should be in plain text now. -Original Message- From: Randy Kramer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 1:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs I don't use Outlook, but I once tried to help somebody shut off HTML sending and think I accomplished it (for Outlook 97). Try checking out this page: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/OutlookExpressPlainText Note a few things: * Even though the URL refers to Outlook Express, I am fairly certain that this was really for Outlook 97. There are some screen shots attached that might help (and they show the critical checkbox to uncheck the option to send HTML). * The page is *very* rough -- I collected the information (mistakenly) because I thought it was Outlook that my friend was having trouble with -- when I found out it was Exchange, I just saved the notes for future reference. * If you look into that page, give me some feedback -- you can do that either by email or by adding comments to the page. Hope this helps, Randy Kramer Mike Leone wrote: No, that won't help. I don't use Word as my email editor - no sane person does :-) - and my Outlook still likes to send in HTML. Outlook Express seems to obey the plain text only wishes of it's users, tho. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs
George, Yes, the message is plain text. Please confirm that your email client is Outlook 97 (or Outlook rather than Outlook Express) -- I will then change the name of the page appropriately, probably to: * http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/Outlook97PlainText (Aside: I couldn't tell the name of your email client from the headers in the message -- the only things I found that looked relevant were: * X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) (Maybe this is telling me something, but I'm not sure what.) * X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 (and I'm fairly sure you're not using Mozilla) Glad it worked, Randy Kramer George Jones (IT) wrote: Sweet!!! This email should be in plain text now. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs
Title: RE: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs I'm using Outlook 98. I haven't tested it when I reply to a message, I hope that doesn't make a difference. -Original Message- From: Randy Kramer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 2:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs George, Yes, the message is plain text. Please confirm that your email client is Outlook 97 (or Outlook rather than Outlook Express) -- I will then change the name of the page appropriately, probably to: * http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/Outlook97PlainText (Aside: I couldn't tell the name of your email client from the headers in the message -- the only things I found that looked relevant were: * X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) (Maybe this is telling me something, but I'm not sure what.) * X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 (and I'm fairly sure you're not using Mozilla) Glad it worked, Randy Kramer George Jones (IT) wrote: Sweet!!! This email should be in plain text now.
Re: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs
Randy Kramer wrote: * X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 (and I'm fairly sure you're not using Mozilla) He's not... that's from your system... for other headers that get added by the recipient machine, try fetching messages without deleting them from the server; look at the /var/spool/mail/user contents before and after such a mail fetch. Pierre Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs
Pierre Fortin wrote: Randy Kramer wrote: * X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 (and I'm fairly sure you're not using Mozilla) He's not... that's from your system... for other headers that get added by the recipient machine, try fetching messages without deleting them from the server; look at the /var/spool/mail/user contents before and after such a mail fetch. Pierre, Thanks for the reply! I don't think that's from my system, but maybe it's from my ISP's system -- I'm running NN 3.04 on Win95 (at least on my email client box) (via POP3 and SMTP). Someday, maybe when I make a full transition to Linux, I'll check out /var/spool/mail/user -- I don't know how to do that on my ISP's server. ;-) regards, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs
George Jones (IT) wrote: I'm using Outlook 98. I haven't tested it when I reply to a message, I hope that doesn't make a difference. Oops, looks like it does -- this came through as HTML. Maybe you have to do something tricky to make it apply to every email to me (or the list -- maybe you have to add me (or the list) to the address book, then uncheck that same checkbox in the address book -- can't tell you how or where, but I'd look for a similar dialog after working my way there via the address book. regards, Randy Kramer I don't think this will help you, but here are some of the headers from the source view of your reply. (As seems to be the usual case, most HTML emails include both a plain text version and the HTML version (i.e., they are multipart), and I understand this is in accordance with the RFC. Unfortunately, I can't set my email client to ignore the HTML.) ... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=_=_NextPart_001_01C17C33.B05D85E0 ... --_=_NextPart_001_01C17C33.B05D85E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN HTML HEAD Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs
George, I've now changed the name of the page to http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/OutlookPlainText. I've also added a note about your experience and added your name as a contributor. If you have a problem with either, let me know (or change it yourself, since it is a TWiki). regards, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs
I think that Outlook 2000 (what I am writing this with..) will only send html if the email that you are replying to is html.. I have outlook set to text only on new messages, and txt only on reply.. but outlook still occasionally uses html if you respond to a html email.. its a pain that.. pretty soon I will ditch outlook and then winblows altogether.. Virus's are going to demand that I do, my linux mail server has stopped so many virus's from being recieved lately that it is rediculous... and I don't believe that its going to get any better... Still, even if I was using only linux I would still use postfix/amavisd/filescan to do all my emailing, because I don't wish to make matters worse, and even if uneffected myself, I would not want to pass virus's along not knowing what they are, (since the will not execute on linux I may not even know they are virus's and pass them on.) but I love the fact that my 3 linux mail servers all do a fantastic job of protecting winblows users. I have saved about 30 or more virus's in the last week, and most of them have been badtrans... (got another 3 of them last night.) love this linux.. Frank Mandrake8.1 kernel 2.4.16-1mdk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of George Jones (IT) Sent: Tuesday, 4 December 2001 2:57 AM To: 'Expert' Subject: RE: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs Sweet!!! This email should be in plain text now. -Original Message- From: Randy Kramer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 1:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs I don't use Outlook, but I once tried to help somebody shut off HTML sending and think I accomplished it (for Outlook 97). Try checking out this page: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/OutlookExpressPlainText Note a few things: * Even though the URL refers to Outlook Express, I am fairly certain that this was really for Outlook 97. There are some screen shots attached that might help (and they show the critical checkbox to uncheck the option to send HTML). * The page is *very* rough -- I collected the information (mistakenly) because I thought it was Outlook that my friend was having trouble with -- when I found out it was Exchange, I just saved the notes for future reference. * If you look into that page, give me some feedback -- you can do that either by email or by adding comments to the page. Hope this helps, Randy Kramer Mike Leone wrote: No, that won't help. I don't use Word as my email editor - no sane person does :-) - and my Outlook still likes to send in HTML. Outlook Express seems to obey the plain text only wishes of it's users, tho. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs
=+= think green... save a tree, save a life, save time, save bandwidth, save storage. send text email.. text/plain - disable pgp/gpg/geek code =+= if you are proud to be an american, then buy made in america. =+= aw shit! kill the trees and STILL send text messages cause HTML email sucks! sorryit must be time fer bed. i'm starting to want to smack tree huggers agin. -- daRcmaTTeR =/\=??? |%C++ Registered Linux User # 186492 We love and desire the things most that will kill us! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs
On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 21:33:34 + g [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello to all; this does not apply to all that receive this, but it does give all something to think about. ok, you html nuts, i am not flaming you, but i am going to blast you, not just you, but all in general who insist on sending html email to list such as these. please do not take offense, but try to understand what you can cause by sending html. i too received virus, which was an html message, but it did not get into my system. it is still sitting at my isp. why? simple. in locking down my system, i have set my maximum message size to block any messages over 35k bytes. = I agree with your diatribe v. html mail, but another solution to at least 90% of your concerns would be to stop using windows 98 (where you had sent the message from). Good idea to use Mozilla (as you seem to) and not Outlook, but Linux is immune to most of the virii out there that are really designed to exploit windows machines. ;o) Mike -- Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen. -- Albert Einstein _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] viruses, worms, trojans, html, pgp sigs
hello to all; this does not apply to all that receive this, but it does give all something to think about. ok, you html nuts, i am not flaming you, but i am going to blast you, not just you, but all in general who insist on sending html email to list such as these. please do not take offense, but try to understand what you can cause by sending html. i too received virus, which was an html message, but it did not get into my system. it is still sitting at my isp. why? simple. in locking down my system, i have set my maximum message size to block any messages over 35k bytes. in doing so, i keep a lot of crap from coming in. viruses, worms, trojans and a lot of junk mail. now, because it is not on my system, i can log my isp, open up my mail account with imp, which i do not like, and kill off this email that you are complaining about. i use norton anti virus which may have caught it, but then again, it may not have. think about this. someone sends and html post to list, someone else replies with html, then another replies to both in html, and none bother to cut out unneeded quotes, which can build a message to a rather large size of junk that does not need to be. this building of html crap has casued 'x-mozilla-status: 0400' to occur with some emails for lists. on my systems, i filter all html that comes to these list and because of time it takes to edit out html labels, i may not get to it for several days. when i do, i usually end up with a file that is anywhere from 1/3 to 1/5 of original size. most viruses, worms and trojans will take up a lot of k bytes to send, as most of them are written in compiled c and c++ and vb [yuk]. not a very compact form of code writing. and makes for one more way off trapping what i do not want in my systems. another problem with html, is that it can be used to auto log a site and download viruses, worms and trojans. sometimes with out reader ever knowing that download is going on. so, once again, for your safety, and rest of members of these lists, _p_l_e_a_s_e_, do not send html messages. show your consideration along with intelligence. stop supporting crazies that like to wreck havoc. if you must play with html, play with it on you internet home pages. thank you for your time. tc,hago. g . =+= think green... save a tree, save a life, save time, save bandwidth, save storage. send text email.. text/plain - disable pgp/gpg/geek code =+= if you are proud to be an american, then buy made in america. =+= Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
