RE: [expert] [Expert] How can I?
> -Original Message- > From: Pj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 8:16 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [expert] [Expert] How can I? > > > How can I say this politely? Maybe I can't but I will try. > > I've had Denis' call to action on my desktop for more than 8-hours and > hardly no one has noticed. I gotta tell you I get more response to my > posting CERT messages than Denis does to critical issues. > > Either this list has dwindled to a dozen voices or there is a lot of you > that are ignoring this important issue. If there are 100 people on this > list and only 10 reply what message is sent to the Mandrake team? Do > they believe 90% of the users are satified? Or do they believe we don't > care? > > The only way the Mandrake group is going to listen to users is if our > voices are heard as a unit and not as a bunch of whining infants. We've > been invited to speak so let's speak! > > We have brilliant people on this list who know what they are talking > about and what they want: ISP's, IP's, beta testers, security people, > engineer's designer's, administrators, tech, analysists. These are the > folks that come to our rescue. They write the scripts. They share tips > and tricks. > > You know who you are! Where are you? Why aren't you speaking out? > > This isn't a perfect world and we're not going to get perfect software, > but I'd settle for a workable solution! This ship ain't sinking yet. > Damn the torpeodoes, FULL speed ahead! > > Mandrake I want.. > > 1- Handicap shortcuts on the Linux keyboard > > 2- A quicker, cleaner, and easier to understand install > 3- Binaries I can TRUST and accompanied of a separate INSTALL instruction. This way I now what I'm doing ! Ex.: In *tar.gz files there are 'readme', 'log', etc.. files to read after untared to read BEFORE the install. This is not the case about RPMS. > 4- > > > > Pj > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: [expert] [Expert] How can I?
Pj wrote: > Mandrake I want.. > 1) Netscape to use my windows directory so I can read mail from either OS (when I contract in some Access Work, I can't pick my OS, and there's no good FTP client for Linux, like Cute-FTP, not to mention the win-modem thing) 2) On an install / upgrade, all I'd really want in an upgrade is a chance to choose amongst saving all the more common settings (users , home directory settings for root, apache settings, mysql settings etc..) everything else can be Wiped and re-installed, it's easier and generally less problem-prone, IMHO 3) A semi-Gui or full-Gui kernel re-compile script / program. 4**) More push from Mandrake to get win-modem drivers for their distro, even binaries. Eric Aksomitis http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/re_answer.shtml
Re: [expert] [Expert] How can I?
On 7 Jun, Eric Aksomitis wrote: > 1) Netscape to use my windows directory so I can read mail from either OS (when I >contract in some Access Work, I can't pick my OS, and there's no good FTP client for >Linux, like Cute-FTP, not to mention the win-modem thing) > What is a "good FTP client"? Does it have to be a WIMP-type program? I find ncftp to be pretty damn nice. But it doesn't use the mouse or have a fancy graphical layout. Doesn't gmc do FTP? > 3) A semi-Gui or full-Gui kernel re-compile script / program. > make xconfig ; make install L -- Laurent Duperval "Montreal winters are an intelligence test, U|Force - Java Center and we who are here have failed it." Phone: (514) 282-8484 ext. 228 -Doug Camilli mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Penguin Power!
Re: [expert] [Expert] How can I?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > What is a "good FTP client"? Does it have to be a WIMP-type program? I find > ncftp to be pretty damn nice. But it doesn't use the mouse or have a fancy > graphical layout. > > Doesn't gmc do FTP? Well, what I really look for is something with Tree-based file-system view (long filanes get to be a pain on text-based FTP), and a QUE functionality, wherby I can add a ton of files from anywhere to a QUE, then transfer them. For small stuff I still and probably always will just use the text-based ftp program. However, the industry (their are people out there who are GUI only that might want to use a little linux) still doesn't have a perfect GUI ftp client yet, although GFTP is 70% there, if not 90% there, all it really needs is a QUE functionality like Cute-FTP, and maybe a MP3 file search like Cute-FTP, and that would be 100% what the industry needs .02 Given Eric Aksomitis http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/re_answer.shtml
RE: [expert] [Expert] How can I?
There is a good FTP program out there for Linux. Igloo FTP Pro. Check it out, you'll like it. -Original Message- From: Eric Aksomitis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 8:13 PM To: L List Subject: Re: [expert] [Expert] How can I? Pj wrote: > Mandrake I want.. > 1) Netscape to use my windows directory so I can read mail from either OS (when I contract in some Access Work, I can't pick my OS, and there's no good FTP client for Linux, like Cute-FTP, not to mention the win-modem thing) 2) On an install / upgrade, all I'd really want in an upgrade is a chance to choose amongst saving all the more common settings (users , home directory settings for root, apache settings, mysql settings etc..) everything else can be Wiped and re-installed, it's easier and generally less problem-prone, IMHO 3) A semi-Gui or full-Gui kernel re-compile script / program. 4**) More push from Mandrake to get win-modem drivers for their distro, even binaries. Eric Aksomitis http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/re_answer.shtml
RE: [expert] [Expert] How can I?
A good GUI based FTP prog. is IglooFTP Pro. Reminds me a lot of Cute FTP. Brian D. Klar - CVE WPAFB -Original Message- From: Eric Aksomitis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 9:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] [Expert] How can I? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > What is a "good FTP client"? Does it have to be a WIMP-type program? I find > ncftp to be pretty damn nice. But it doesn't use the mouse or have a fancy > graphical layout. > > Doesn't gmc do FTP? Well, what I really look for is something with Tree-based file-system view (long filanes get to be a pain on text-based FTP), and a QUE functionality, wherby I can add a ton of files from anywhere to a QUE, then transfer them. For small stuff I still and probably always will just use the text-based ftp program. However, the industry (their are people out there who are GUI only that might want to use a little linux) still doesn't have a perfect GUI ftp client yet, although GFTP is 70% there, if not 90% there, all it really needs is a QUE functionality like Cute-FTP, and maybe a MP3 file search like Cute-FTP, and that would be 100% what the industry needs .02 Given Eric Aksomitis http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/re_answer.shtml
Re: [expert] [Expert] How can I?
On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 07:04:38AM -0600, Eric Aksomitis wrote: -> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -> > -> > What is a "good FTP client"? Does it have to be a WIMP-type program? I find -> > ncftp to be pretty damn nice. But it doesn't use the mouse or have a fancy -> > graphical layout. -> > -> > Doesn't gmc do FTP? -> -> Well, what I really look for is something with Tree-based file-system view (long filanes get to be a pain on text-based FTP), and a QUE functionality, wherby I can add a ton of files from anywhere to a QUE, then transfer them. For small stuff I still and probably always will just use the text-based ftp program. However, the industry (their are people out there who are GUI only that might want to use a little linux) still doesn't have a perfect GUI ftp client yet, although GFTP is 70% there, if not 90% there, all it really needs is a QUE functionality like Cute-FTP, and maybe a MP3 file search like Cute-FTP, and that would be 100% what the industry needs ncftp has tab completion of file names, which helps a lot. It also has background get and put and continuation of a disupted transfer, both of which are very nice. -- -- C^2 No windows were crashed in the making of this email. Looking for fine software and/or web pages? http://w3.trib.com/~ccurley
Re: [expert] [Expert] How can I?
On Thu, 08 Jun 2000, Eric Aksomitis wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > What is a "good FTP client"? Does it have to be a WIMP-type program? I find > > ncftp to be pretty damn nice. But it doesn't use the mouse or have a fancy > > graphical layout. > > > > Doesn't gmc do FTP? > > Well, what I really look for is something with Tree-based file-system view (long >filanes get to be a pain on text-based FTP), and a QUE functionality, wherby I can >add a ton of files from anywhere to a QUE, then transfer them. For small stuff I >still and probably always will just use the text-based ftp program. However, the >industry (their are people out there who are GUI only that might want to use a little >linux) still doesn't have a perfect GUI ftp client yet, although GFTP is 70% there, >if not 90% there, all it really needs is a QUE functionality like Cute-FTP, and maybe >a MP3 file search like Cute-FTP, and that would be 100% what the industry >needs > > .02 Given > > Eric Aksomitis > http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/re_answer.shtml Well I want a good file-manager intergraded with samba somthing like Corel Linux file manager for KDE but it must have a ftp link on the tree view where you can and ftp sites, and logins. It alredy has NFS, windows network and local file system. This is the only reason I use Corel for desktops and Mandrake for Servers.
Re: [expert] [Expert] How can I?
On Wed, 07 Jun 2000, you wrote: > > 1) Netscape to use my windows directory so I can read mail from either OS (when I >contract in some Access Work, I can't pick my OS, and there's no good FTP client for >Linux, like Cute-FTP, not to mention the win-modem thing) > This would be next to impossible due to the problems in file locking between Fat/Fat32 and EXT2 FS. There are currently kludges, but it's a good way to scramble your DOS/Windows file system if you're not careful. > > 2) On an install / upgrade, all I'd really want in an upgrade is a chance to choose >amongst saving all the more common settings (users , home directory settings for >root, apache settings, mysql settings etc..) everything else can be Wiped and >re-installed, it's easier and generally less problem-prone, IMHO > Good point! > > 3) A semi-Gui or full-Gui kernel re-compile script / program. > Make X-config (or is it Xconfig, or xconfig) anyway, it's already there! > > 4**) More push from Mandrake to get win-modem > drivers for their distro, even binaries. > > Sure they're common, but why the heck would you WANT to use a WinModem? WinModems suck BIG time! I have one built-into the motherboard of one of my computers and I've disabled it completely because I couldn't get it to work. Same thing with the "on-board" ethernet in the same system. It was a piece of crap NIC. John
Re: [expert] [Expert] How can I?
On Thu, 08 Jun 2000, you wrote: > > Doesn't gmc do FTP? > > Well, what I really look for is something with Tree-based file-system view (long filanes get to be a pain on text-based FTP), and a QUE functionality, wherby I can add a ton of files from anywhere to a QUE, then transfer them. For small stuff I still and probably always will just use the text-based ftp program. However, the industry (their are people out there who are GUI only that might want to use a little linux) still doesn't have a perfect GUI ftp client yet, although GFTP is 70% there, if not 90% there, all it really needs is a QUE functionality like Cute-FTP, and maybe a MP3 file search like Cute-FTP, and that would be 100% what the industry needs > Two things -- 1) long messages with no line breaks SUCK! :-) (Just my $0.02) 2) Have you LOOKED for a GUI FTP client lately? I've taken a look at a couple, and I *know* there's a ton of 'em at Linuxberg! John
Re: [expert] [Expert] How can I?
On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 09:41 -0400, Klar Brian D Contr MSG/SWS wrote: > A good GUI based FTP prog. is IglooFTP Pro. > Reminds me a lot of Cute FTP. > I'm using gFTP now for some time. It has a nice GUI, you can save your bookmarks, you can use it like a filemanager with two windows (like mc) and you can mark a whole bunch of files for D'l. I use it to up/download my homepage stuff It's part of Mandrake distro. wobo -- GPG-Fingerprint: FE5A 0891 7027 8D1B 4E3F 73C1 AD9B D732 A698 82EE For Public Key mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: GPG-Request --- ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html
Re: [expert] [Expert] How can I?
I second that...when free is as nice as gftp...why go elsewhere. Bambi Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 09:41 -0400, Klar Brian D Contr MSG/SWS wrote: > > A good GUI based FTP prog. is IglooFTP Pro. > > Reminds me a lot of Cute FTP. > > > > I'm using gFTP now for some time. It has a nice GUI, you can > save your bookmarks, you can use it like a filemanager with two > windows (like mc) and you can mark a whole bunch of files for > D'l. > I use it to up/download my homepage stuff > > It's part of Mandrake distro. > > wobo > -- > GPG-Fingerprint: FE5A 0891 7027 8D1B 4E3F 73C1 AD9B D732 A698 82EE > For Public Key mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: GPG-Request > --- > ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html
Re: [expert] [Expert] How can I?
On Thu, 08 Jun 2000, you wrote: > On Wed, 07 Jun 2000, you wrote: > > > > 1) Netscape to use my windows directory so I can read mail from either OS (when I >contract in some Access Work, I can't pick my OS, and there's no good FTP client for >Linux, like Cute-FTP, not to mention the win-modem thing) > > > This would be next to impossible due to the problems in > file locking between Fat/Fat32 and EXT2 FS. There are > currently kludges, but it's a good way to scramble your > DOS/Windows file system if you're not careful. > > > > 2) On an install / upgrade, all I'd really want in an upgrade is a chance to >choose amongst saving all the more common settings (users , home directory settings >for root, apache settings, mysql settings etc..) everything else can be Wiped and >re-installed, it's easier and generally less problem-prone, IMHO > > > Good point! > > > > 3) A semi-Gui or full-Gui kernel re-compile script / program. > > > Make X-config (or is it Xconfig, or xconfig) anyway, > it's already there! > > > > 4**) More push from Mandrake to get win-modem > > drivers for their distro, even binaries. > > > > Sure they're common, but why the heck would you WANT to use > a WinModem? WinModems suck BIG time! I have one built-into > the motherboard of one of my computers and I've disabled it > completely because I couldn't get it to work. Same thing > with the "on-board" ethernet in the same system. It was a > piece of crap NIC. > John One reason for needing "winModem drivers for linux is that most hardware distributors only provide WinModems for system builders like myself. If we want an old fashioned (read good) modem it's a crap shoot as to where to get them and then try to support them under warranty for the customer. The majority of my customers don't want an external modem so that's out too.. -- Ken Thompson Electrocom Computer Services 1801 Wayne Dr. Payette, Idaho 83661 Ph. (208) 642-7101 (888) 642-7101 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nwaa.com Computer Sales - Service and Repair Internet Web Site Design
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Fran Parker wrote: > > I second that...when free is as nice as gftp...why go elsewhere. > > Bambi For exemple because gFTP don't run on my system, why ,, I don'i know. Same for netscape, only self-compiled version runs. There is also a LittleIgloo = free. Do not run on my machine like gFTP. Eric > Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 09:41 -0400, Klar Brian D Contr MSG/SWS wrote: > > > A good GUI based FTP prog. is IglooFTP Pro. > > > Reminds me a lot of Cute FTP. > > > > > > > I'm using gFTP now for some time. It has a nice GUI, you can > > save your bookmarks, you can use it like a filemanager with two > > windows (like mc) and you can mark a whole bunch of files for > > D'l. > > I use it to up/download my homepage stuff > > > > It's part of Mandrake distro. > > > > wobo > > -- > > GPG-Fingerprint: FE5A 0891 7027 8D1B 4E3F 73C1 AD9B D732 A698 82EE > > For Public Key mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: GPG-Request > > --- > > ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html
Re: [expert] [Expert] How can I?
John Aldrich wrote: > > > 3) A semi-Gui or full-Gui kernel re-compile script / program. > > > Make X-config (or is it Xconfig, or xconfig) anyway, > it's already there! Hmm . . . well, selecting the options is there, but here's what I have to do to build a kernel: make xconfig make dep make make modules make modules_install cd pcmcia* make config answer a bunch of questions make install cd .. make bzlilo lilo Hmm . . . I must issue 10 seperate commands plus answer a series of interactive questions, *after* I used the "GUI." Methinks a gui for the gui is still called for! Heck, I don't care if it's a GUI, but at least a standard shell script for all that would be a vast improvement. -- "Brian, the man from babble-on" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brian T. Schellenberger http://www.babbleon.org Support http://www.eff.org. Support decss defendents. Support http://www.programming-freedom.org. Boycott amazon.com.
