Re: [expert-it] suoni troncati
"Roberto A. F." wrote: Andrea Celli wrote: ! Qualcuno ha un'idea su dove mettere le mani? Nei capelli ? Scusa il mio tono scherzoso ... ma non credo che sia un problema anche se tecnicamente potrebbe essere arduo risolverlo. --- In effetti non e` un problema grave. E` parecchio tempo che uso Mandrake+kde - direi dalla 5.2 - senza aver mai usato i suoni di sistema e quindi senza essermi accorto del problema. Domenica, pero`, ho cominciato a giocare con i themes di Tarzan e Topolino per far divertire i nipotini Poi, vorrei sempre che il mio Linux-box sia perfetto. E vorrei sapere se e` un problema solo mio, e quindi rimediabile localmente, o se capita anche ad altri, e quindi e` un bug da segnalare a kde e/o mandrake. ciao, Andrea
Re: [expert-it] suoni troncati
Andrea Celli wrote: E vorrei sapere se e` un problema solo mio, e quindi rimediabile localmente, o se capita anche ad altri, e quindi e` un bug da segnalare a kde e/o mandrake. ciao, Andrea No, anche a me capita. Tuttavia, l'ho solo notato durante il logout. Quando chiudo le finestre, invece, i suoni non sono troncati. Ciao, Davide
[expert] Cannot ping
LM 7.0-2 was working fine until recently, now I am not able to ping localhost. When I ping it reports "ping: sendto: operation not permitted" Why did this happen? any solutions. Cheers Sridhar
Re: [expert] Cannot ping
on 5/25/00 12:56 AM, Sridhar Govindarajulu wrote: LM 7.0-2 was working fine until recently, now I am not able to ping localhost. When I ping it reports "ping: sendto: operation not permitted" Why did this happen? any solutions. Cheers Sridhar Have you changed security levels or the hosts.allow file? Gavin
[expert] Oracle 8i R2 install
Hi all, I have wierd problem. I try to install Oracle8iR2 (8.1.6) on my computer. When I use the Oracle's JRE it got just crash. So I use BlackDown JRE (all 1.1.8). Installer runs, but when I try to click on NEXT button, nothing happens. When I click on other button it works Wierd! Why it is so wierd? I installed 8.1.5 on RedHat 6.0 with the same blackdown's java and everything was fine. So I tried install 8.1.5 on my comp. All buttons except down row (NEXT, INSTALLED PRODUCTS,...) works. Then NEXT button still don't. Do you know where is prob? I have: Mandrake Linux kernel 2.2.15 (8mdk) glibc 2.1.3 (5mdk) gcc 2.95.2 (7mdk) egcs 1.1.2 (28mdk) reiserfs swap 300MB mem 128MB Thank a lot! Michal PS: When I try silent install i got message: "No forced value specified for the variable ORACLE_HOME, associated with property ToLocation, in dialog File Locations." Do you have any advice?
[expert] volume not in /etc/fstab - mounts anyway??
hi, I just set up a couple of new scsi drives with diskdrake. I set up with one big partition each for testing. I can use them - read/write files, etc. but something is wierd: they mount on startup but there is no entry for them in /etc/fstab df doesn't see them - it does list my hda paritions. also the module that drives the card (aic7xxx.o) is not loaded. #umount /test1 comes back with: umount: /test1 : not mounted how can I be using these volumes if they're not really mounted?!? what the hell? Gavin Clark
Re: [expert] volume not in /etc/fstab - mounts anyway??
Hi Gavin, Sorry mate from what u have described below, the file systems in question are definately not mounted! The reason you can however read/write to the mount points is because they are normal directories. For example you have created a file system called /test and when you do a df /test does not appear, you can however change directory into /test and create stuff to your hearts content, what you are actually doing in this case is creating files in the root file system. If you were then to mount /test and changed directory into it, the stuff you created earlier would not be there! Although that is not strictly true it is but hidden because there is a file system mounted over the directory. If you then unmounted it the stuff would reappear. Hope that helps you understand how filesystems and mounts point, sort of work, very basic of course Jason From: Gavin Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] volume not in /etc/fstab - mounts anyway?? Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 03:10:06 -0700 hi, I just set up a couple of new scsi drives with diskdrake. I set up with one big partition each for testing. I can use them - read/write files, etc. but something is wierd: they mount on startup but there is no entry for them in /etc/fstab df doesn't see them - it does list my hda paritions. also the module that drives the card (aic7xxx.o) is not loaded. #umount /test1 comes back with: umount: /test1 : not mounted how can I be using these volumes if they're not really mounted?!? what the hell? Gavin Clark Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [expert] volume not in /etc/fstab - mounts anyway??
Ah! OK, then what I think is going on is that the scsi module is not loading which is why when fstab got to the lines to load /dev/sdxx it died. When I remove the /dev/sdxx lines it boots normally. diskdrake must have created mount points /test1 and /test2 but nothing was ever mounted there so they were just normal directories. well shit. ;-) How do I get the kernel to load the scsi module before it reads /ect/fstab ? Thanks, Gavin on 5/25/00 4:22 AM, Jason Mitchelson wrote: Hi Gavin, Sorry mate from what u have described below, the file systems in question are definately not mounted! The reason you can however read/write to the mount points is because they are normal directories. For example you have created a file system called /test and when you do a df /test does not appear, you can however change directory into /test and create stuff to your hearts content, what you are actually doing in this case is creating files in the root file system. If you were then to mount /test and changed directory into it, the stuff you created earlier would not be there! Although that is not strictly true it is but hidden because there is a file system mounted over the directory. If you then unmounted it the stuff would reappear. Hope that helps you understand how filesystems and mounts point, sort of work, very basic of course Jason From: Gavin Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] hi, I just set up a couple of new scsi drives with diskdrake. I set up with one big partition each for testing. I can use them - read/write files, etc. but something is wierd: they mount on startup but there is no entry for them in /etc/fstab df doesn't see them - it does list my hda paritions. also the module that drives the card (aic7xxx.o) is not loaded. #umount /test1 comes back with: umount: /test1 : not mounted how can I be using these volumes if they're not really mounted?!? what the hell? Gavin Clark
Re: [expert] Cannot ping
I had set security to high and my hosts.allow file contains in.telnetd: .mydomain.com:allow in.ftpd: .mydomain.com:allow ALL:ALL:deny Sridhar From: "Gavin Clark" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 1:46 AM Subject: Re: [expert] Cannot ping on 5/25/00 12:56 AM, Sridhar Govindarajulu wrote: LM 7.0-2 was working fine until recently, now I am not able to ping localhost. When I ping it reports "ping: sendto: operation not permitted" Why did this happen? any solutions. Cheers Sridhar Have you changed security levels or the hosts.allow file? Gavin
[expert] rpm -i -h -v of openssh and openssl
hello all!! I am haveing some wierd issues with openssh and openssl when I try to rpm -i -h -v openssl-0.9.4-3 or the new .095a I get a core dump if I try to rpm -i -h -v openssh-1.2pre11-1 and the latest release I get VM: killing process httpd VM: killing process rpm any ideas out there? I realy would like to dump rcp/rsh/telnet and ftp and replace it with the ssh server and client along with scp/ssh/sftp Regards, Ron
Re: [expert] volume not in /etc/fstab - mounts anyway??
Gavin Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hi, I just set up a couple of new scsi drives with diskdrake. I set up with one big partition each for testing. I can use them - read/write files, etc. but something is wierd: How do you know you're writing on them? Do you intend mounting them some place? Perhaps, for example, /mnt/scsi1 If you intend doing this then you must have a directory /mnt/scsi1 You can write to this directory because it exists on your current disks. Until you mount the scsi drives on that directory you are *NOT* writing to them. they mount on startup but there is no entry for them in /etc/fstab I doubt it ... It doesn't work like that ... df doesn't see them - it does list my hda paritions. They're not mounted then. Try writing a large file (Say 2 megs) where you think you're writing to the disks and watch 2 megs disappear off your hda partitions ... also the module that drives the card (aic7xxx.o) is not loaded. In which case they're not mounted (Unless of course your kernel has support for them compiled in, but I doubt that ...) #umount /test1 comes back with: umount: /test1 : not mounted Then they're not mounted ... how can I be using these volumes if they're not really mounted?!? You're not, see above. I realise that this is not the best explanation but it should make *some* sense ... Lee -- | Lee Willis Fixed cost Internet access available @ | Application Developer http://www.plus.net | PlusNet Technologies Ltd +---"PlusNet - The smarter way to Internet"
Re: [expert] volume not in /etc/fstab - mounts anyway??
Gavin Clark wrote: Ah! OK, then what I think is going on is that the scsi module is not loading which is why when fstab got to the lines to load /dev/sdxx it died. When I remove the /dev/sdxx lines it boots normally. diskdrake must have created mount points /test1 and /test2 but nothing was ever mounted there so they were just normal directories. well shit. ;-) How do I get the kernel to load the scsi module before it reads /ect/fstab ? Thanks, Gavin First. let's make sure that the modules are working. There are so many PROM/PLCC versions for the AIC7xxx that you may or may not have a working card. Adaptec has not been the sort of cooperative manufacturer Advansys has been for driver work. So, booted without any scsi drives in /etc/fstab, try # modprobe aic7xxx now test mounting your device with a mount command. If it works then the simplest way I know to make sure you have the module there would be a line in /etc/conf.modules right after the first alias block-major-8 aic7xxx That should produce what you desire. Civileme -- BETA testing KDE2 and Konqueror
[expert] not able to set up udf filesystem.
has anyone successfully set up a udf filesystem in Mandrake 7.0? i have tried but to no avail. I downloaded and untarred the udf-0.9.2.tar.gz. and did the following. INSTALLING: "make udf.o"-- ok "make install" --ok "make patch"--ok TESTING: "depmod -a"--ok "modprobe udf", message: can't locate udf filesystem can anybody help!!!
Re: [expert] PPP troubles
I did a clean install, and I am starting from scratch on configuration for PPP. Seems to be OK, but the symptom is that ping and DNS work just fine across the interface, but every other protocol I've tried (ftp, ssh, http, ...) sends packets out but never get anything back (according to tcpdump -i ppp0). I have some indication that packets come back occasionally from the machines I'm targeting, but never very quickly and never the right ones. Thomas J. Hamman, who had posted a similar question some time ago, pointed me to the answer: Our PPP server has explicitly disabled Van Jacobson TCP/IP compression, but I had not specified the "novj" option in the /etc/ppp/peers/xxx file (or in the options file or on the command line). Once I disabled the compression, TCP/IP started working great. The differential symptom which should have tipped me off (if I knew more about this stuff :/ was that ping and DNS, which worked, use UDP and hence are not affected by the VJ header compression scheme. btw, I can't believe how easy IP masquerading was to set up! Half a dozen lines cribbed from a Linux Journal article was all it took. Neat stuff. Thanks for the help! - Tom -- Thomas Lockhart Caltech/JPL Interferometry Systems and Technology
[expert] DNS Server etc - Help w/ Setup
I'm trying to setup and better understand DNS Servers. This way I can get my IP to point to my Domain name. What's involved here? Would I have to register my DNS Server with Internic? Can the primary and secondary DNS Servers run from one PC? Seve
Re: [expert] DNS Server etc - Help w/ Setup
On Thu, 25 May 2000, Sevatio Octavio wrote: I'm trying to setup and better understand DNS Servers. This way I can get my IP to point to my Domain name. What's involved here? install bind. get the O'Reilley book on Bind. configure it. point to yourself as a name server. test it. Would I have to register my DNS Server with Internic? yes, or a competing registrar. http://www.internic.net. Can the primary and secondary DNS Servers run from one PC? yes, but it isn't a "good" idea for businesses. The primary then is your secondary, with the same ip address. Seve
Re: [expert] could not open default font 'fixed' --help
On Tue, 23 May 2000 - Civileme, you wrote: | giancarlo wrote: | | Hi | | Suddently my XWindowns stopped to work. When I do startx I recive the | follow message: | | -FontTransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111 | failed to set default font path 'unix/:-1' | Fatal server error: | could not open default font 'fixed' | | What I did. I reinstall the follow rpm pakages; | XFree86-3.3.6-4mdk.i586.rpm | XFree86-Xnest-etc | XFree86-Xvfb-etc | XFree86-xfs-etc | | but it didn't work. What so now? Thanks a lot. | -- | João Carlos [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ - 33.965.439 | usuário Linux # 106644 | | | Somehow your /tmp was scrubbed, removing files pointed to by | links--the files are sockets but the links say they are there and | of course they are gone. | | Check /tmp for directories and files | | I think (tm) you might be able to restore service by running | Xconfigurator or by running X without the font server. Then run | | /etc/rc.d/init.d/xfs restart | | | This structure was changed in 7.1 so the sockets reside in | /root/tmp and are not subject to this sort of deletion. | | Civileme -- I'm not a programmer, but it seems to me that anything so important should be placed in a dedicated folder, (perhaps "sockets"?) located in a system oriented branch of the filesystem (perhaps "var" or "x11"). Now don't get me wrong, I think the folks who produced Xfree86 did a superb job, and the modifications provided by the Mandrake team are excelent. It simply "feels" more logical to place files and folders necessary to system operation in locations which are not so easilly percieved as "trashcans" or as containing unimportant information. Just my $2.00 worth (inflation) :) ___ Ernie ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
[expert] kmail-1.0.29.1 configure can not find pgcc-c++
I'm trying to update kmail on my Mandrake v6.1 box by compiling v1.0.29.1 but I
run into a problem with the configure script that comes with kmail.
I have pgcc-c++ (and pgcc) installed but it does not find it nor does it seem
to look for it.
This is the error I get:
[lars@frid kmail-1.0.29.1]$ ./configure
loading cache ./config.cache
checking host system type... i586-pc-linux-gnu
checking target system type... i586-pc-linux-gnu
checking build system type... i586-pc-linux-gnu
checking ktalkd find_user method... using /proc.
checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether build environment is sane... yes
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
checking for working aclocal... found
checking for working autoconf... found
checking for working automake... found
checking for working autoheader... found
checking for working makeinfo... missing
./configure: programs: command not found
checking for a C-Compiler...
checking for gcc... gcc
checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... yes
checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) is a cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C... yes
checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E
checking for a C++-Compiler...
checking for g++... g++
checking whether the C++ compiler (g++ -s) works... no
configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C++ compiler cannot create
executables.
===
How can I modify the configure script to detect pgcc-c++?
Otherwise, how can I fix this?
- other than upgrading to Mdk v7.0 or v7.1 (I'm the only one
in my company to run Linux for a desktop so I am my own PC support and
currently I don't have the time to do an upgrade. I have to admit that I did
gloat a little during the ILOVEYOU virus thing since Linux/kmail is in no way
vunerable)
--
Lars Nordin
Noble Systems Corporation
[expert] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION (fwd)
(I hope you do not get this twice on expert list)
-
Hi, folks!
What follows is probably a single most important letter I ever posted on
these mailing lists, so please read it very carefully!
[ANNOUNCEMENT]
We (Mandrakesoft) are starting internal discussions about future of
our distributions NOW. We want you to take part in the process of
improving our next distro.
- NOW is a time to ask us whatever you want: tell us what you like, tell
us what you hate, tell us what you dream of!
- NOW is a time for you to influence the future company decisions - start
thinking, and if you come up with a briliant idea, post it here.
Starting NOW, I am going to stop sleeping, eating, or doing any other job
which would interfere with currently most important task: Making sure we
make the best decisions based on whatever input we can get.
[RULES]
* Basically everything you can think of is open for discussion, except
question of including non-free software in the core of our distro, which
is absolute NO-NO.
* Listen to what other people have to say. Try keeping the signal/noise
ratio as high as possible.
* One topic per e-mail and informative subject line help us a lot. ("125
Great ideas!!!" is a very bad subject line.)
* Please, try to avoid any kind of flaming on the list for the next 10
days.
* Finaly, If you have time and skills to pick up ideas from long
discussion threads and write a good summary, please do it, it will help us
a lot.
[TOPICS]
Topics we are particularly interested in at this moment include:
1) ergonomics: What should our user interfaces look like in the
future, what should we improve in our desktop configuration, which things
need polishing...
2) install:Which features of our current installation
program (DrakX) do you like, which features are you missing, what is not
clear enough? The same question goes for post-install configuration
tools.
3) packages: which packages to add, what to remove from the distro,
which subset of packages is really nessesary for a minimal install,
and which packages are "just add-ons"?
4) tools: which new tools (packages) should we develop ourselves, or
improve in case we are already developing them? Many great
programs already exist out there, so we really badly need to know
which important linux tools you still miss, in order to
concentrate on them in the future.
5) system policy: We want to make our system "logical" by following the
Linux Standards, and being consistent in the way
"things" (services, settings) are implemented. Tell us where
we need to improve.
6) security policy: Closely related to point "6". You know that we care a
lot about security, don't you? Well, the problem is choosing right
security settings for various situations.
(If you feel that we have forgotten an important topic, just start a
discusion on it, the list should not be taken too strictly)
I am going to spend a lot of time in reading "newbie" and "expert" mailing
lists during next two weeks. Guillaume will do the same on the
"cooker" list, and other members of the company may pop-up and take
part in discussion too, for topics they may be particularly interested in
(and if they get time to do it, our schedule is bursting).
At the end of the discussion cycle (in two weeks), I will try to write a
resume of what has been decided and share it with you.
yours
Denis Havlik
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Re: [expert] Oracle 8i R2 install
On Thu, 25 May 2000, you wrote: Hi all, I have wierd problem. I try to install Oracle8iR2 (8.1.6) on my computer. When I use the Oracle's JRE it got just crash. So I use BlackDown JRE (all 1.1.8). Installer runs, but when I try to click on NEXT button, nothing happens. When I click on other button it works Wierd! Why it is so wierd? I installed 8.1.5 on RedHat 6.0 with the same blackdown's java and everything was fine. So I tried install 8.1.5 on my comp. All buttons except down row (NEXT, INSTALLED PRODUCTS,...) works. Then NEXT button still don't. Do you know where is prob? I have: Mandrake Linux kernel 2.2.15 (8mdk) glibc 2.1.3 (5mdk) gcc 2.95.2 (7mdk) egcs 1.1.2 (28mdk) reiserfs swap 300MB mem 128MB Thank a lot! Michal PS: When I try silent install i got message: "No forced value specified for the variable ORACLE_HOME, associated with property ToLocation, in dialog File Locations." Do you have any advice? I installed Oracle 8i on 6.0 and upgraded to 6.5 without any problems. I had similar problems like yours when upgrading to 7.0 and using the "secure" kernel. Using the normal 2.2.15 kernel worked just fine. Have not had a chance to get into work early (so I can borrow the NT box on the T1 that has a burner so I can dl 8.1.6 /8iR2). -- Alex (Go easy on me, I'm a COBOL programmer in real life)
Re: [expert] kmail-1.0.29.1 configure can not find pgcc-c++
I had the same problem at one time. What I am about to suggest, you might know
alreadybut I will say it anyway:
1. Make sure pgcc-c++ is installed on your system.
2. If pgcc-c++ is installed on your system, make sure the location of the program is
in your path. Hopefully, this will work for U
-Omar
--
On Thu, 25 May 2000 17:04:15 Lars Nordin wrote:
I'm trying to update kmail on my Mandrake v6.1 box by compiling v1.0.29.1 but I
run into a problem with the configure script that comes with kmail.
I have pgcc-c++ (and pgcc) installed but it does not find it nor does it seem
to look for it.
This is the error I get:
[lars@frid kmail-1.0.29.1]$ ./configure
loading cache ./config.cache
checking host system type... i586-pc-linux-gnu
checking target system type... i586-pc-linux-gnu
checking build system type... i586-pc-linux-gnu
checking ktalkd find_user method... using /proc.
checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether build environment is sane... yes
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
checking for working aclocal... found
checking for working autoconf... found
checking for working automake... found
checking for working autoheader... found
checking for working makeinfo... missing
./configure: programs: command not found
checking for a C-Compiler...
checking for gcc... gcc
checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... yes
checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) is a cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C... yes
checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E
checking for a C++-Compiler...
checking for g++... g++
checking whether the C++ compiler (g++ -s) works... no
configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C++ compiler cannot create
executables.
===
How can I modify the configure script to detect pgcc-c++?
Otherwise, how can I fix this?
- other than upgrading to Mdk v7.0 or v7.1 (I'm the only one
in my company to run Linux for a desktop so I am my own PC support and
currently I don't have the time to do an upgrade. I have to admit that I did
gloat a little during the ILOVEYOU virus thing since Linux/kmail is in no way
vunerable)
--
Lars Nordin
Noble Systems Corporation
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[expert] dependency problems with rpms
Hi List, I just successfully installed my first several security rpms for SSH/SSL/PGP etc. I think I downloaded seventeen security rpms and had dependency problems with four of them. The first two were with 'sftp' and 'slynx' and were as follows. 'sftp' Dependency Problem libreadline.so.4.1 is needed by sftp-0.7-3mdk 'slynx' Dependency Problem lynx is needed by wmakerconf-2.4-2mdk The following two dependency problems occured while I was installing the following apache module rpms. apache is needed by mod_ssl-2.6.4-1mdk (i586.rpm) mod_ssl is needed by mod_ssl-sxnet-2.6.4-1mdk (i586.rpm) Since I have lynx, and apache, and do not have mod_ssl or libreadline.so.4.1 I do not quite get what kpackage is saying to me? I gftp'd into mandrake and looked for the so called needed rpms but did not locate them there? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Much thanks, b/web Wade
[expert] Better support for Networks
I now feel that LINUX as a whole can find a place in business. As a System Administrator over SGI, Sun (from Solaris1 to Solaris2) as well Windoze. I have a great appreciation of the influence of distributed systems and the mixing of all these environments. I have encouraged the use of Apache, Samba and other systems in the market place. I now would like to experiment with Linux and its installation in a large controlled environment. Is there any experience out there? All the packages of Linux I see seem to be aimed at local installations and tricky installation flags need to be used to centralize information over NFS so a central server can distribute packages over a range of clients. Can Network packages be incorporated in the distribution of Mandrake? (Am I missing some fundamental information?) I want to install packages like netscape in /opt/netscape then mount /opt to all clients so one upgrade covers all. At the moment there seems to be move to putting everything on local disks like /usr/bin etc. What is the minimum install base for a client before using a served application? Advice would be greatly appreciated. With Thanks. Ian Wales.
[expert] Re: Digest of list expert
Sorry about this... but how to I cancel this mailing list??? --g.
Re: [expert] kmail-1.0.29.1 configure can not find pgcc-c++
On Thu, 25 May 2000, corey Ryan wrote: I had the same problem at one time. What I am about to suggest, you might know alreadybut I will say it anyway: 1. Make sure pgcc-c++ is installed on your system. Done. I have pgcc-c++ from MDK v6.1 installed = pgcc-c++-1.1.3-3mdk 2. If pgcc-c++ is installed on your system, make sure the location of the program is in your path. Done. [lars@frid kmail-1.0.29.1]$ which c++ /usr/bin/c++ I even tried creating a link from /usr/bin/c++ to /usr/bin/cpp to see if configure was looking for 'cpp' but that didn't work either. Thanks for the help -- Lars Nordin Noble Systems Corporation
[expert] Linux-Mandrake 7.0 for UltraSPARC/dual monitor
I am running Linux-Mandrake 7.0 for UltraSPARC on my SPARCstation 20 and I am attempting to use a dual monitor, each monitor has its own graphics card (SGX 8 bit card). I know in the earlier versions of Linux, dual monitor capability was not available, but that was around 1996. Well, time has passed, and I would like to know if this feature is available for Linux-Mandrake, and if so, can I implement this feature on my SPARCstation 20. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. -vger PS- If anyone is remotely wondering why two monitors, well, I use to use Solaris and dual monitor feature was available. Therefore I would like to use the other monitor instead of it just sitting there collecting dust :) Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com
Re: [expert] dependency problems with rpms
I have had similar experiences, and think the problem has to do with the way that the RPMs (and the RPM database) specify dependencies. It appears to me that when an RPM is installed, an entry is made in the database of what files have been installed (e.g. "/usr/lib/libexample.so.1") When another RPM checks for dependencies, it checks that database (e.g. for "libexample.so.1". Alas, as far as the database is concerned, "/usr/lib/libexample.so.1" is *different* that "libexample.so.1". A similar problem can occur when one of your dependencies was installed from a tar file (or anything that isn't an RPM). In this case no entry at all occurs in the RPM database. IF you really have the necessary files/packages installed, just use --nodeps when you install using RPM.
Re: [expert] brilliant idea
Hi, folks! What follows is probably a single most important letter I ever posted on these mailing lists, so please read it very carefully! We (Mandrakesoft) are starting internal discussions about future of our distributions NOW. We want you to take part in the process of improving our next distro. - NOW is a time to ask us whatever you want: tell us what you like, tell us what you hate, tell us what you dream of! - NOW is a time for you to influence the future company decisions - start thinking, and if you come up with a briliant idea, post it here. This is not a really "brilliant" idea but it is an issue that is of importance to me personally. I would like to see a Minimal Install" option at setup time! My 2 cents. John
[expert] Improvement: Install by functions
Let me start off by saying I have been running Linux for over 5 years. Over the years I have learned a lot about Linux. However, there is still a lot I do not know. There are many packages out there that I know nothing about. What is "nhm", "samba", "bind", "wuftp"? Some of these I have used, some I have not. So how do I decide which packages to install? I don't really care how you classify me (desktop, server, expert, etc.). I DO know what I want to do with this computer. Therefor, I propose you change the install categories to "I want to:" things. Such as: Run a mail server Run a Domian Name Server Issue IP addresses to computers (DHCP) Dynamically aquire this computers IP address (DHCPC) Connect to the Internet Access disks and printers from Windows (SMB) clients Have a GUI desktop Run a time server Run a ftp server Allow ftp access Allow telnet access Allow SSH access Run a web server To develop programs To backup my system using tape Allow multiple users on this computer etc. Under each category, there might be sub-categories like: Run a web server --- which will use SQL --- which will use cgi --- with virual domains --- etc. Develop programs --- using Python --- using C++ --- using for X Have a GUI desktop --- using KDE --- using Gnome --- etc. The bottom of the "I want to" tree should have a list of RPM's that fulfil the requirement LISTING THE BEST ONE FIRST. "Best one" could be defined as the one with the most GUI configuration support, or the easiest one to configure, or the simplest one to get the job done, etc. (If I know nothing about the packages that do this function, then I need a recomendation!) Like: Run a mail server --- install postfix --- install sendmail --- install qmail Run a web server --- which will use SQL --- +++ install MySQL --- +++ install postgres --- which will use cgi --- with virual domains --- etc. After the inital "loading the code" and reboot, "Am I finished?" Everyone knows the answer is "NO". So, "NOW WHAT DO I DO?" Please provide a post-install "TO DO" list with instructions and configuration scripts. Like: Allow multiple users on this computer --- Define a new group of users --- Add a new user --- Grant modem access --- Grant CD-ROM access Summary: This new method would require your user's to not have to know which packages to install; they only need to know what "I want to do". Hope you like this idea, Bill
Re: [expert] volume not in /etc/fstab - mounts anyway??
on 5/25/00 9:48 AM, Civileme wrote: Gavin Clark wrote: Ah! OK, then what I think is going on is that the scsi module is not loading How do I get the kernel to load the scsi module before it reads /ect/fstab ? First. let's make sure that the modules are working. # modprobe aic7xxx now test mounting your device with a mount command. the aic7xxx module loads and the partitions mount fine (I can hear the new drives grinding when I write to them this time) If it works then the simplest way I know to make sure you have the module there would be a line in /etc/conf.modules right after the first alias block-major-8 aic7xxx That should produce what you desire. Civileme I still can't get the module to mount at startup /etc/conf.modules: alias eth0 eepro100 alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc pre-install plip modprobe parport_pc ; echo 7 /proc/parport/0/irq pre-install pcmcia_core /etc/rc.d/init.d/pcmcia start alias block-major-8 aic7xxx I have also tried this which was created by diskdrak I believe: /etc/conf.modules: alias eth0 eepro100 alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc pre-install plip modprobe parport_pc ; echo 7 /proc/parport/0/irq pre-install pcmcia_core /etc/rc.d/init.d/pcmcia start alias scsi_hostadapter aic7xxx post-install supermount modprobe scsi_hostadapter thanks for your help Gavin
Re: [expert] brilliant idea
[cut] This is not a really "brilliant" idea but it is an issue that is of importance to me personally. I would like to see a Minimal Install" option at setup time! And I'd like to see an 'Install Everything' option - if it's not already in beta 3 (at least I couldn't find the option in beta 2, not even with 'Expert install') -- Frederik, Denmark
Re: [expert] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION
To add to the list of packages.. I think it would be really nice if Mandrake offered more MTA solutions, namely qmail, which can be chosen (with a brief definition of each) at install time. James Franssen
Re: [expert] brilliant idea
I would like to see the following: Built-in support (or install options) for: xinetd (an improved version of inetd) ReiserFS DPT SCSI RAID controller support (this may be in kernel 2.2.15 with I2O drivers) Apache-SSL (not mod_ssl) with PHP4 At 07:43 PM 5/25/00 -0400, you wrote: Hi, folks! What follows is probably a single most important letter I ever posted on these mailing lists, so please read it very carefully! We (Mandrakesoft) are starting internal discussions about future of our distributions NOW. We want you to take part in the process of improving our next distro. - NOW is a time to ask us whatever you want: tell us what you like, tell us what you hate, tell us what you dream of! - NOW is a time for you to influence the future company decisions - start thinking, and if you come up with a briliant idea, post it here. This is not a really "brilliant" idea but it is an issue that is of importance to me personally. I would like to see a Minimal Install" option at setup time! My 2 cents. John
[expert] I would like better list of what in on Mandrake
Quite often I will discover a software package mentioned on Linux Weekly News, download it and discover, it is already on Mandrake. I would like to see a full listing on the install CD, and the option to select the specific packages to install, instead of the all or some and get surprised. Make should be install as default for all installations. A newbie friend of mind did not do the dev install and could not find Make...I could not help right away because I was make was there. It is on every other Linux distro i have used. Thanks for your time. I -- Best Regards, Bruce Father to Bruce, Maverick Aleister 1 Feb 2000 Akina, age 14, Misa, age 12, Miyuki age 10 My website: http://harrisherd.ahv.cx Tired of computer viruses or crashes? Check out Linux: http://www.linux.org
Re: [expert] Group Owner Of Dos Partitions
I like the fact that a user can not write to the dos partitions personally. But what I do when I want to write to the dos partitition is go to system, file manager (super user mode), use root's password and then I can do whatever I want to the dos partition without any trouble and from a graphical file manager. I think that is pretty slick and still keeps the dos partition secure even from me unless I make a conscience effort to mess with it. Works great for the archiving of my mp3 files on the dos partition and using them from anywhere...my linux box or any of the other 3 computers in the house via samba. Anyway, that's my two cents :) Bambi Adam Talbot wrote: Hi. I've just setup Linux and I've got a user (me) that I want to give access to the dos partitions (/mnt/DOS_hda1...) but I can't seem to do that. I've tried changing the owner of these partitions (chgrp and chown) but it says I can't do that. I've also tried changing the access rights (chmod) but that doesn't work either. I was wondering how I can give a user write access to these partitions? Thanks, Adam.
[expert] Distro improvments: A solid IDE
The biggest problem, well not problem, but ease of use issue I have is in all of the Linuxes I have tried there isn't a solid IDE (integrated devlopment environment). I haven't used the latest Kdevelop, but the one I have used was extremely buggy and basically didn't work. I don't want to have to go out and pay another $50 to mandrake for your developer kit because I think there should be one included. I know what everyone is thinking because when I brought this up before everyone just said use a text editor and gcc. Hey, that's great for hello.c, but it's just easier and speedier to have an IDE to do it with. I've used Borland's C++ Builder 4 and it's very nice, but who wants to use winders? I think id mandrake lead the way and developed a GPL'ed, useable IDE it would be wonderful. Thanks for your time. Payne Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
[expert] what I want
Hi, I'd basically like to see all of the packages updated. There are some packages that seem never to have gotten updates. I'd like to see all of the helix-gnome stuff. I'd like to see some of the linux4kids stuff. realplayer, java 1.2.2, updated xmms stuff and all the plugins (pretty much) and all of the skins (pretty much). Definately a solid dist of the kdevelop tools, the new gdb and insight, blender, more themes, Geheimnis, Acroread4, portsentry, logcheck, hostsentry. You know lots of stuff. Well, you asked. :) Sheldon. -- == "Comments are a very useful outlet for those pissed off emotions you can get when coding. While there's no-one there to take it out on at 3AM, you know that at some point in the future you're going to give someone a really bad day." Satisfaction guaranteed. - nlvp (slashdot poster) For a kick ass OPL'd FRPG visit http://members.xoom.com/Lycadican ==
Re: [expert] dependency problems with rpms
Hi List, Well, I must need glasses. That worked great with 'sftp' and 'slynx', when I went to install mod_ssl-2.6.3-1mdk it began to install just fine and then threw an 'execution of script failed' error at me and stalled. The unsatisfied dependency with this mod I noticed was apache = 1.3.12-12mdk (I have 1.3.12 running under windows) and I checked my Linux version found I have 1.3.9-17mdk. I am at apache web site now and also gftp'd into Mandrake again to look but I only locate apache 1.3.9-17mdk, where can I find apache 1.3.12-12mdk? Thanks, b/web Wade Dan Jones wrote: I have had similar experiences, and think the problem has to do with the way that the RPMs (and the RPM database) specify dependencies. It appears to me that when an RPM is installed, an entry is made in the database of what files have been installed (e.g. "/usr/lib/libexample.so.1") When another RPM checks for dependencies, it checks that database (e.g. for "libexample.so.1". Alas, as far as the database is concerned, "/usr/lib/libexample.so.1" is *different* that "libexample.so.1". A similar problem can occur when one of your dependencies was installed from a tar file (or anything that isn't an RPM). In this case no entry at all occurs in the RPM database. IF you really have the necessary files/packages installed, just use --nodeps when you install using RPM.
Re: [expert] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION
James wrote: To add to the list of packages.. I think it would be really nice if Mandrake offered more MTA solutions, namely qmail, which can be chosen (with a brief definition of each) at install time. James Franssen If I understood the discussion yesterday qmail can't be ported to Linux because of the language. The developer of said app flatly refuses to allow qmail to be adapted/adopted/ported or changed inre binary code. I don't know a thing about servers, but it seems to me that if I am bound and determined to use qmail then I need to make the Unix based FreeBSD or OpenBSD my OS rather than Linux-Mandrake. Just my quarter's worth.. Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] brilliant idea
Mandrake should come in several flavors: 1) Rock solid and stable, server style. No bleeding edge packages. Only very, very stable ones. Enterprise edition!!! for those IT folks that MUST install things that work, and can't afford to be hurt. 2) Minimal install version (300 meg tops) 3) Bleeding edge, where using it will chop your fingers off unless you wear gloves (similar to your current releases grin) 4) NT Server replacement version, with web based setup for an NT server "look alike", and for a Novell Server "look alike". Only files necessary to making this run and work would be included. Ultra rock solid packages. This is My Opinion! bug On Thu, 25 May 2000, John Connell wrote: Hi, folks! What follows is probably a single most important letter I ever posted on these mailing lists, so please read it very carefully! We (Mandrakesoft) are starting internal discussions about future of our distributions NOW. We want you to take part in the process of improving our next distro. - NOW is a time to ask us whatever you want: tell us what you like, tell us what you hate, tell us what you dream of! - NOW is a time for you to influence the future company decisions - start thinking, and if you come up with a briliant idea, post it here.
Re: [expert] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION
Pj wrote: :If I understood the discussion yesterday qmail can't be ported to Linux :because of the language. The developer of said app flatly refuses to :allow qmail to be adapted/adopted/ported or changed inre binary code. Ah.. well then, I guess I will be using Postfix from now on. James Franssen
Re: [expert] could not open default font 'fixed' --help
Ola companions First of all I would like to apologize me case don't have answered to some message, because I was two days without caning recover my messages. If someone more sent some solution for my problem would like that do the gracefulness of send again the message that posted. Regarding suggestion Civileme didn't unfortunately work. It had tried already to use Xconfigurator and it gave the same mistake message... could not open default font 'fixed' I tray also the command /etc/rc.d/init.d/xfs restart but he returns [FAILED]. I verified the directory /tmp, but I don't know a lot about the subject and didn't manage to diagnose some mistake. The fact is just that don't know what to do. Does anybody have some other suggestion of as do the X server come back to work? Using the rpm -qi XFree86 verified that all of the packages are installed. Is there some utilitarian that can be executed able to identify the mistake and fix it? I use Mandrake 7.0, and the whole problem occurred after use months without problems and in a day any when initab was going to give the departure to XDM, I never more had access GUI do Linux. Where Do I find a TROUBLESHOTING on Xserver's mistakes? I thank to the companions that answered, and to all that can give some other suggestion and, if possible, an explanation of the why of this mistake, who committed it and for why? Thanks. "Ernest N. Wilcox Jr." gravada: On Tue, 23 May 2000 - Civileme, you wrote: | giancarlo wrote: | | Hi | | Suddently my XWindowns stopped to work. When I do startx I recive the | follow message: | | -FontTransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111 | failed to set default font path 'unix/:-1' | Fatal server error: | could not open default font 'fixed' | | What I did. I reinstall the follow rpm pakages; | XFree86-3.3.6-4mdk.i586.rpm | XFree86-Xnest-etc | XFree86-Xvfb-etc | XFree86-xfs-etc | | but it didn't work. What so now? Thanks a lot. | -- | João Carlos [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ - 33.965.439 | usuário Linux # 106644 | | | Somehow your /tmp was scrubbed, removing files pointed to by | links--the files are sockets but the links say they are there and | of course they are gone. | | Check /tmp for directories and files | | I think (tm) you might be able to restore service by running | Xconfigurator or by running X without the font server. Then run | | /etc/rc.d/init.d/xfs restart | | | This structure was changed in 7.1 so the sockets reside in | /root/tmp and are not subject to this sort of deletion. | | Civileme -- I'm not a programmer, but it seems to me that anything so important should be placed in a dedicated folder, (perhaps "sockets"?) located in a system oriented branch of the filesystem (perhaps "var" or "x11"). Now don't get me wrong, I think the folks who produced Xfree86 did a superb job, and the modifications provided by the Mandrake team are excelent. It simply "feels" more logical to place files and folders necessary to system operation in locations which are not so easilly percieved as "trashcans" or as containing unimportant information. Just my $2.00 worth (inflation) :) ___ Ernie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- João Carlos [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ - 33.965.439 usuário Linux # 106644
[expert] Best way to install Postfix?
Since I will now be using Postfix with Mandrake 7.0, I am wondering if the best way to install Postfix is with the RPM from the Mandrake RPM's, or download the source from the Postfix page. james
Re: [expert] installing Wordperfect
hi lorne, Yes, I installed the WordPerfect 8 for Linux on my Mandrake 7.0 and it went off without a hitch. How did you try to install it? Bambi lorne schachter wrote: I'm running Mandrake 7.0 and I'm trying to reinstall WordPerfect from the tar files downloaded from Corel. The first problem is that the uname values, especially version, aren't recognized by the script, so I had to go around and comment them out and hard code values. Still can't get the scripts to work (thought they did work with 6.0). Has anyone been able to install WordPerfect on 7.0? In a similar vein, I've got a copy of Corel Linux with WordPerfect in it, but it's a Debian package. Is there a way to load Debian packages on Mandrake? Any information will be appreciated. Thanks, Lorne -- Lorne Schachter (732) 819-0460, (732)819-0460 (FAX) http://www.intact.com/~lorne
Re: [expert] brilliant idea
On Thu, 25 May 2000, you wrote: Hi, folks! What follows is probably a single most important letter I ever posted on these mailing lists, so please read it very carefully! We (Mandrakesoft) are starting internal discussions about future of our distributions NOW. We want you to take part in the process of improving our next distro. - NOW is a time to ask us whatever you want: tell us what you like, tell us what you hate, tell us what you dream of! - NOW is a time for you to influence the future company decisions - start thinking, and if you come up with a briliant idea, post it here. This is not a really "brilliant" idea but it is an issue that is of importance to me personally. I would like to see a Minimal Install" option at setup time! My 2 cents. John As John said in his post, it's not brilliant but I would like to see the ISO's smaller and like John a minimal install. Also, I would like a choice of only ONE of the MANY DUPLICATED packages found in all distro's like mail programs, editors, and so on. An explanation of what can safely left out without any major affects to other packages (can I leave out emacs or does another package need it type of thing). The entire install has gotten way too big and out of hand for users of older computers with small but still servicable hdd's in them. A good basic install would have a minimal compiler, a good windows manager, a good mail reader, a good ppp dialer configured to dial when the browser opened, basic multimedia and a simple way for newbies to install other options. Thanks for asking, as far as I am aware it's a first. Three cheers for Mandrakesoft and the crew. -- Ken Thompson Electrocom Computer Services 1801 Wayne Dr. Payette, Idaho 83661 Ph. (208) 642-7101 (888) 642-7101 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nwaa.com Computer Sales - Service and Repair Internet Web Site Design
Re: [expert] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION (fwd)
I like where Mandrake is going with installation, but I think I want a little more interaction in picking out the packages to load. There are so many, by default you almost load all of them to save problems later on, so: 1) Provide some more information/documentation about the packages 2) Make it easy to opt out of, say, foreign language support as a unit across all packages 3) Provide an interface to pull a package off the distribution CD if you forgot to load it on install More hardware support, I have an Xwave-192 sound card that I haven't been able to use I'd love to try out beta releases, but there's no way I'll be able to download 600M of data reliably, so maybe you want to have some sort of biweekly/monthly CD distribution for people to try out. Thanks and keep up the improvements, Lorne -- Lorne Schachter (732) 819-0460, (732)819-0460 (FAX) http://www.intact.com/~lorne begin:vcard n:Schachter;Lorne x-mozilla-html:TRUE adr:;; version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] x-mozilla-cpt:;-13760 fn:Lorne Schachter end:vcard
[expert] Fujitsu MO640 SCSI drive troubles
I've finally upgraded my home machine to Mdk-7.0-2 from RH-5.2 (I've been running my laptop and a couple of other machines on it for a few months). I am having trouble accessing my Fujitsu MO640 disk drive. My old RH-5.2/Linux-2.0.3x kernels required patching to use it, but the 2.2.x kernels have support for 2048 byte sectors built in. The kernel reports reasonable info when I boot with a disk in the drive. cfdisk reports the correct sector count and disk size, but says something about a "partial partition" when writing a new partition table. mkfs fails miserably, throwing SCSI errors when it tries to read sectors *way* off the end of the disk. Needless to say, mount fails even on existing disks. I saw a thread from some time ago (kernel circa 2.2.9) indicating that getting consistant info for the disk size and sector size might be problematic, but it did not report a solution. Has anyone had recent success with this drive? Any hints or suggestions on parameters to specify or change which might get this working? After doing a clean install, all of my backup files are on this drive... :/ TIA - Tom -- Thomas Lockhart Caltech/JPL Interferometry Systems and Technology
Re: [expert] Apache and mod_auth_mysql question
Try the RPM from "The Man" the made the Apache RPMs for Mandrake. http://coruscant.netrevolution.com/pub/AES/Apache-Stable/authentication/
Re: [expert] brilliant idea
John Connell wrote: [snip] This is not a really "brilliant" idea but it is an issue that is of importance to me personally. I would like to see a Minimal Install" option at setup time! I second this. If in mdk7, you did away with char-mode install, you should bring one back. Building a network appliance (firewall, proxy, router, DNS server, Apache server, etc.) out of an old P75 with 16MB RAM and 350MB HDD would be much easier that way. Ron -- +--+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA WWW : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | | Most overused words: feel, cool/kewl, fun, myBlah.com| | Most underused word: think | +--+
Re: [expert] Improvement: Install by functions
Excellent suggestions!
Re: [expert] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION
On 25 May 00, at 21:02, ibi wrote: If I understood the discussion yesterday qmail can't be ported to Linux because of the language. The developer of said app flatly refuses to allow qmail to be adapted/adopted/ported or changed inre binary code. Qmail doesn't need to be ported to Linux. It should compile out of the box. There are Qmail rpm's on www.qmail.org, so if someone want's a binary, they can get one. It would probably run on Mandrake, too (perhaps after setting a symlink or two). I don't know a thing about servers, but it seems to me that if I am bound and determined to use qmail then I need to make the Unix based FreeBSD or OpenBSD my OS rather than Linux-Mandrake. I run postfix, and I'm perfectly happy with it (except for the Mandrake upper case letters in virtual domains bug). It should be noted, however, that Qmail is a perfectly easy compile. Or I should say, it was when I compiled it several years ago as a complete smtp and GNU/Linux newbie. I ran it for a while, but in terms of configuration, I think postfix is a bit easier. Your mileage may vary -Chuck -- Chuck Burkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Murphy's Law is recursive. Washing your car to make it rain doesn't work.
Re: [expert] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION (disabled)
I'm blind and find Mandrake a great distribution for me. It has nice console tools and utilities for me, and KDE makes a nice environment for wife and son. Many distributions already come with EmacSpeak. I'd like to see Mandrake also include this. An install option using Speakup would also make life easier. Brltty would also make a nice addition along with a few of the drivers for specific synths. Mandrake is a popular distribution among the blind and we don't even use KDE. grin With very little effort, Mandrake could become the distribution of choice among the blind and disabled. Just my two cents Ron On Thu, 25 May 2000, you wrote: (I hope you do not get this twice on expert list) - Hi, folks! What follows is probably a single most important letter I ever posted on these mailing lists, so please read it very carefully! [ANNOUNCEMENT] We (Mandrakesoft) are starting internal discussions about future of our distributions NOW. We want you to take part in the process of improving our next distro. -- Ron Marriage E-Mailmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage http://www.seidata.com/~marriage Linux User Group http://www.seidata.com/~seilug/
Re: [expert] installing Wordperfect
Did you download the split file or the single file? The split files are no good. I couldn't install them, but I had no problems with the single file download. Michelle On Thu, 25 May 2000, you wrote: I'm running Mandrake 7.0 and I'm trying to reinstall WordPerfect from the tar files downloaded from Corel. The first problem is that the uname values, especially version, aren't recognized by the script, so I had to go around and comment them out and hard code values. Still can't get the scripts to work (thought they did work with 6.0). Has anyone been able to install WordPerfect on 7.0? Any information will be appreciated. Thanks, Lorne -- "Not my best work, but it's better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick." Richard in _Wizard's First Rule_ by Terry Goodkind.
[newbie] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION
Hi, folks!
What follows is probably a single most important letter I ever posted on
these mailing lists, so please read it very carefully!
[ANNOUNCEMENT]
We (Mandrakesoft) are starting internal discussions about future of
our distributions NOW. We want you to take part in the process of
improving our next distro.
- NOW is a time to ask us whatever you want: tell us what you like, tell
us what you hate, tell us what you dream of!
- NOW is a time for you to influence the future company decisions - start
thinking, and if you come up with a briliant idea, post it here.
Starting NOW, I am going to stop sleeping, eating, or doing any other job
which would interfere with currently most important task: Making sure we
make the best decisions based on whatever input we can get.
[RULES]
* Basically everything you can think of is open for discussion, except
question of including non-free software in the core of our distro, which
is absolute NO-NO.
* Listen to what other people have to say. Try keeping the signal/noise
ratio as high as possible.
* One topic per e-mail and informative subject line help us a lot. ("125
Great ideas!!!" is a very bad subject line.)
* Please, try to avoid any kind of flaming on the list for the next 10
days.
* Finaly, If you have time and skills to pick up ideas from long
discussion threads and write a good summary, please do it, it will help us
a lot.
[TOPICS]
Topics we are particularly interested in at this moment include:
1) ergonomics: What should our user interfaces look like in the
future, what should we improve in our desktop configuration, which things
need polishing...
2) install:Which features of our current installation
program (DrakX) do you like, which features are you missing, what is not
clear enough? The same question goes for post-install configuration
tools.
3) packages: which packages to add, what to remove from the distro,
which subset of packages is really nessesary for a minimal install,
and which packages are "just add-ons"?
4) tools: which new tools (packages) should we develop ourselves, or
improve in case we are already developing them? Many great
programs already exist out there, so we really badly need to know
which important linux tools you still miss, in order to
concentrate on them in the future.
5) system policy: We want to make our system "logical" by following the
Linux Standards, and being consistent in the way
"things" (services, settings) are implemented. Tell us where
we need to improve.
6) security policy: Closely related to point "6". You know that we care a
lot about security, don't you? Well, the problem is choosing right
security settings for various situations.
(If you feel that we have forgotten an important topic, just start a
discusion on it, the list should not be taken too strictly)
I am going to spend a lot of time in reading "newbie" and "expert" mailing
lists during next two weeks. Guillaume will do the same on the
"cooker" list, and other members of the company may pop-up and take
part in discussion too, for topics they may be particularly interested in
(and if they get time to do it, our schedule is bursting).
At the end of the discussion cycle (in two weeks), I will try to write a
resume of what has been decided and share it with you.
yours
Denis Havlik
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