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On Nov 1, 2005, at 6:03 AM, Irmeli Mattsson wrote:Islam should be added in your list as the number one of religions that have made the subservience of the women a dogma to keep men in their position of superiority and control over women. I think largely the problems of violent fanaticism is due to the subordinate position of women. That kind of women cannot raise healthy children, who can adopt in adulthood independent clear moral reasoning and who have no need to subjugate others to feel good about themselves. I just read in a magazine an interview of dr.Salman Asif. He was born in Pakistan and is working as a consultant in Britain in the Ministry of the Interior on non-violent crisis resolution. The article dealt with honour realated violence that is prevalent in Islam cultures. In the article he brings out many oddities (to me terrible features) in the moral reasoning related to women in Pakistan. For example a raped woman has to bring to court as witness four men or eight women. If she cannot, she will be put in prison. 70% of the prisoners in Pakistan are raped women! I felt myself sick and nauseous after reading the article. In some of the old "Stans" approx. 25% of the women are either sold into slavery or used as prostitutes.In Somalia, due to a religious Fatwa, all women who are to marry must have a clitoridectomy (surgical removal of the clitoris). If they don't they are considered "manly" and cannot marry. Approx. 90% of Somali have this procedure.The worshippers of the god Allah may represent the greatest threat to world peace. It's hard to tell if they or the followers of the torture device are number one in this regard. Why not call it a draw?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Hey, Ron, Do me a favor

2005-11-01 Thread Jason Spock












 Hey Vajranatha, remember, Pakistani's are hypocrites.
 Read this,
 _
 Friday, November 15, 2002
 The New York Times reports on a looming clash over pornography in Pakistan.

 PESHAWAR: The sight of an MMA government is cause for concern to many, especially those running theatres in the North West Frontier province of Pakistan, says a report by David Rhode in the New York Times on Friday.
 About a dozen young Pakistani men stood in silent clusters, he says, in front of the Shama movie theatre, doing their best to look casual. But when the box office opened, the rush was on. 
 The young men standing near the entrance surged forward and tried to slip in before anyone could see them. A few older men emerged from the shadows and darted inside. Stragglers arrived for the next 15 minutes, including one young man who held a scarf in front of his face as he entered the theatre. 

 It was "English movie" night here in Peshawar, Pakistan's conservative Islamic and famously anti-American city near the Afghan border. But for the next two hours, what appeared on screen had nothing to do with the American movies advertised outside. First came three Indian music videos featuring curvy starlets with long, shimmering black hair, clingy shirts and, in one or two scenes, gently sashaying hips. An abrupt reel change later, the screen flickered with a series of Pashto-language stag films: Pakistani women in bathing suits and underwear gyrating, singing and taking off their tops. But in the end, it was the Great Satan that delivered the night's feature presentation: a hardcore 1970's-era pornographic film starring an American bleached-blonde named Jennifer Welles.
 A coalition of religious fundamentalist parties won control of the provincial government in last month's election, on a platform which included a crackdown on pornography. The theater manager defends the screenings. "'If this closes, there will be more terrorism in their minds,' [the theater manager] said, referring to his patrons. 'If they see these movies, they are satisfied.'"
 Dubbed in German, the film opened with a lengthy conversation in an apartment that seemed to bore the packed gallery, which by now reeked of hashish. The plot quickly thickened. In a fast-paced scene set in a barn, two young women gave a returning Confederate soldier what could only be described as a heros welcome. Rhodes met a middle-age man outside the theatre who identified himself as the manager and explained to an American visitor that the evenings bill had 60 minutes to go and that the theatre also showed Dutch, French and Spanish films.
In addition to imposing Islamic law and driving American soldiers and FBI agents from Pakistan, the parties have vowed to ban pornography and end Ms Welless career in Pakistan, asserted the paper. 
 A man, who unlike the others wasnt ashamed of the practice, told the paper that closing the theatre would do nothing because pornographic videos and DVDs were available across the city. You can go to every video shop; they sell it, the manager seconded the man. 
 According to the paper, opponents of the religious parties also point out that previous crackdowns both here and in Afghanistan in the 1980s and 90s may have curbed sin but did not eliminate it.
 The report says, Despite the substantial social taboo, a sizeable number of people attend English movies, according to both supporters and detractors of the theatre. Nearby shop owners and the theatre manager estimated that at least 70 to 80 men attended each of its two daily screenings.
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 In some of the old "Stans" approx. 25% of the women are either sold into slavery or used as prostitutes.
 In Somalia, due to a religious Fatwa, all women who are to marry must have a clitoridectomy (surgical removal of the clitoris). If they don't they are considered "manly" and cannot marry. Approx. 90% of Somali have this procedure.
 The worshippers of the god Allah may represent the greatest threat to world peace. It's hard to tell if they or the followers of the torture device are number one in this regard. Why not call it a draw?

 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: US Constitution

2005-11-01 Thread Jason Spock











 ShempMcGurk, I think Alvin Toffler is more accurate. He says the constitutions and Politico-systems are Obsolete.

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 I suspect Hagelin would have been directly referring to the U.S. Constitution, Judy. And the reason is because it would have been in the context of what MMY was talking about at that time, which was constitutions of man and nature. That, coupled with the fact that the U.S. is deemed as corrupt in all shapes and forms by MMY, and one could see how Hagelin very well could have referred to the U.S. Constitution in such a manner.
 Of course, I agree with you that it's hard to see how the U.S. Constitution could be portrayed as corrupt.

 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Subconscious saMyama-like control of sound?



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 Don't know whether this anecdote is true, but:
 B.B.King once asked Hendrix something like:
 Where do all these sounds [of his Strat,
 and stuff] come from? Hendrix had replied:
 I don't know!
 Perhaps sometime in the 80's or 90's, Mike
 Bloomfield, or some such guy, told on a 
 TV documentary, that he still hasn't figured
 out how Hendrix created some of the weird
 sounds without that much effect gadgetry
 (just Octavia, fuzz-box and wah-wah, in
 addition to creative use of feed-back?).
 I've often thought if it was possible that 
 Jimi's intensive emotions during playing
 somehow could distort the sounds without
 his conscious effort to do so... naah!

Back in the day I was sitting stoned with my friend
listening to Hendrix and with both heard him playing
an ascending scale simultaneously with a descending
overtone scale. We both looked at each other and said
what the f**k? Hendrix blew minds with this
extra-dimensional sound. I'm happy to see that he
even didn't have a clue about its source.



 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Doumbek Lesson

I took my first Doumbek lesson from a master player
last Saturday. He lives 10 minutes from my house! It
was amazing to watch the guy play such simple things
with such perfection and raw power eminating from his
drum. You see this with anyone who has really mastered
a musical instrument. He and his wife played a duet.
She was the riqq (tamborine) and he on the
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[FairfieldLife] Are you part of a genetically engineered food experiment?

Food for thought:

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


snip

   The concept has been defunct for years. Find mention of O2 
 consumption 
   in any current research or any current talking points 
 scientific 
   charts.
  
  
  
  I did not say that 02 had been retained. What WAS retained 
 was state of rest twice as 
  deep as sleep, only now as indicated by metastudies, not by one 
 single, decisive measure.
  
  L B S
 
 
 Metastudies of what parameters?



The global physiological measures.

A metastudy is a mathematical workup of existing studies. The statistical 
methods are 
comparatively sophisticated, and in my opinion, comparatively more subject to 
manipulation for that reason.

Before this goes too far into the trees, let me once again identify the forest 
I am 
discussing:

For many years (based primarily on Wallace), TM teachers around the world 
proudly 
pointed to the O2 consumption chart and told audiences collectively numbering 
in the 
milllions that this one, single, incontrovertible measure proved beyond 
reasonable doubt 
that TM provided the deepest level of rest available to humanityan 
coincidentally, 
unavailable by any other method.

With Kesterson's finding, that claim was shattered. It was not, however, 
immediately 
withdrawn from public use. No bulletin was sent out to teachers in the field. 
(In fact, I'm 
sure there must be old timers out there still using it.) Instead, it was 
retired without 
fanfare. In its place were now claims that subtle measures of blood chemistry 
and other 
global measures showed that TM produced a level of rest twice as deep as 
sleep. So the 
concept was not dropped.

Looking back, at this point I do not remember whether the subtle blood 
chemistry 
argument was based on metastudies. The metastudy argument gained its greatest 
currency when a metastudy was produced to show that TM was more effective 
than all 
other meditation techniques.

My pointforgive me for belaboring it, but it's easy to overlookis that the 
simplest and 
most effective argument for TM had crumpled. It was replaced with something 
that is 
neither simple enough for the average person to undestand nor obvious enough to 
be 
acknowledged as decisive.

Generally speaking, every benefit of TM has been documented for other programs. 
Because TM has more research behind it, it is comparatively easy to make the 
global 
argument, that no other technique produces the overall benefits. This argument 
is suspect 
because of the generally bad reputation of TM research in general, which has 
been 
discussed elsewhere.

The bottom line, from my point of view, is that TM research will never again be 
able to 
establish the primacy of the TM technique among other forms of meditation and 
self-
improvement programs. On a practical level, it doesn't matter whether the 
reasons are 
sociological or scientific, a matter of prejudice or a matter of professional 
evaluation.

The arguments for the superiority of TM are of such a sophisticated level of 
science and 
mathematics that Joe Lunchbucket will never have a clue whether they mean 
anything or 
not. Nor will most of his neighbors who possess MAs and PhDs.

This is not to say that TM research does not generate scientific support or 
funding for TM 
programs, as some who post here are quick to point out. But the view from 
inside the 
movement is deeply skewed, and doesn't acknowledge that TMs competitors are out 
there 
making hay as well.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Are you part of a genetically engineered food experiment?

2005-11-01 Thread Alex Stanley

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Food for thought:
 
 http://www.thecampaign.org/krafted/index.html

People should also be aware that Bocaburger is a division of Kraft. So, for 
those of you who think soybeans cooked in a factory at high temperature in 
hydrochloric acid are a health food, you might consider switching to a brand 
that has a more responsible corporate parent.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly

On Nov 1, 2005, at 9:20 AM, L B Shriver wrote:For many years (based primarily on Wallace), TM teachers around the world proudly pointed to the O2 consumption chart and told audiences collectively numbering in the milllions that this one, single, incontrovertible measure proved beyond reasonable doubt that TM provided the deepest level of rest available to humanity—an coincidentally, unavailable by any other method. With Kesterson's finding, that claim was shattered. It was not, however, immediately withdrawn from public use. No bulletin was sent out to teachers in the field. (In fact, I'm sure there must be old timers out there still using it.) Instead, it was retired without fanfare. In its place were now claims that subtle measures of blood chemistry and other global measures showed that TM produced a level of rest "twice as deep as sleep". So the concept was not dropped. One that's not being mentioned and was one of the items that "sold" me as a 14-year old was the old chart you used to see that indicated (IIRC) that TM was something like 8 times deeper than sleep! It was the old chart of galvanic skin resistance chart showing this deep dip in the curve for TM. In fact they still seem to be using "galvanic skin resistance" as something they feel is an important indicator:http://www.mum.edu/tm_research/p1.htmlIf I find a picture of this chart, I'll try to post it here. IMO, that was probably the most misleading chart. I seem to remember being told that TM reduced the metabolic rate many times--6, 7 or 8 times--deeper than sleep. And they used this chart to sell it.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver 
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 Looking back, at this point I do not remember whether the subtle
 blood chemistry argument was based on metastudies.

I dug this up from an old post (March 200) of
mine on  alt.meditation.transcendental; I no
longer recall where I got the Wallace quote, but
I think it may be about the subtle blood
chemistry you're referring to:

Wallace writes of the Kesterton study, referring to the finding 
of many TM studies and also of Kesterton's study of periods of 
spontaneous breath suspension: 

   Recent studies have extended these results and more carefully 
   analyzed the neurophysiological control of respiratory patterns 
   during the TM technique.  These studies show both a decreased 
   sensitivity to increased levels of carbon dioxide added to the 
   air inhaled during meditation and an increased sensitivity to low 
   levels of oxygen.  This suggests an even more refined pattern of 
   physiological functioning, indicating that there are specific 
   alterations in centers within the brain that are involved with 
   monitoring both carbon dioxide and oxygen levels. 

In other words, Wallace's early findings may not have been 
accurate, but more detailed analysis shows even more interesting 
and complex changes than those he initially reported. 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly

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 I dug this up from an old post (March 200) of
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Are you part of a genetically engineered food experiment?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Food for thought:
 
 http://www.thecampaign.org/krafted/index.html

Interesting that you mention this. I and my family eat a pretty 
typical American diet, so we were at Safeway last weekend shopping. 
I try to buy stuff on sale, and I've noticed lately that this Kraft 
brand of frozen food, 'South Beach Diet' has been on sale. I like to 
buy those frozen meals to have around for convenience and usually 
have two or three in the freezer. I mention this to indicate there 
is no inherent bias against them in my family.

Anyway, when I was considering buying the Kraft ones, my daughter 
said she doesn't like them, but couldn't give a reason. She is very 
intuitive though. Then my wife tried one yesterday and she won't eat 
them again either. I had a couple and they aren't my fave either.

Although they taste similar to other frozen meals, there is 
something odd about them.

Anyway fwiw... 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly

Response below.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver 
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 snip
  Looking back, at this point I do not remember whether the subtle
  blood chemistry argument was based on metastudies.
 
 I dug this up from an old post (March 200) of
 mine on  alt.meditation.transcendental; I no
 longer recall where I got the Wallace quote, but
 I think it may be about the subtle blood
 chemistry you're referring to:
 
 Wallace writes of the Kesterton study, referring to the finding 
 of many TM studies and also of Kesterton's study of periods of 
 spontaneous breath suspension: 
 
Recent studies have extended these results and more carefully 
analyzed the neurophysiological control of respiratory patterns 
during the TM technique.  These studies show both a decreased 
sensitivity to increased levels of carbon dioxide added to the 
air inhaled during meditation and an increased sensitivity to low 
levels of oxygen.  This suggests an even more refined pattern of 
physiological functioning, indicating that there are specific 
alterations in centers within the brain that are involved with 
monitoring both carbon dioxide and oxygen levels. 
 
 In other words, Wallace's early findings may not have been 
 accurate, but more detailed analysis shows even more interesting 
 and complex changes than those he initially reported.



My recollection at this point is somewhat vague, but I think that other 
neurochemicals 
and/or hormonal and/or metabolic markers were involved.

However, regarding your last statement ^ above:

More complex, yes; but  more interesting? To whom?

To the TM enthusiast or the neurophysiologist, perhaps. However, the complexity 
and 
subtlety of these findings substantially mutes their impact on the public mind.

L B S






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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self

2005-11-01 Thread Paula Youmans












Soounds great. I suspect I'll be dead from a heart
attack or in a 
looney bin from the rollercoaster ride before that
happens to me. 
Never was good at rollercoasters.

OffWorld











Ironically enough, I did end up in a loony
bin from the roller coaster ride (thanks mom). 

No jokeIt gets intense! But I am
happy to say that years later and a couple of more rides under my belt have
helped me understand enough and gather enough tools that it dont
sound like a blathering idiot when going through it anymore lol (er, I think).

At first it was very hard to maintain any
cohesive thought in the physical worldbut I am hoping those days are
behind me. 

So far so good (thank god). 



J



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Indexing to FFL

I started an index at
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to it. It would be great if you added your index there, Doug. And anyone can
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly

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  snip
   Looking back, at this point I do not remember whether the subtle
   blood chemistry argument was based on metastudies.
  
  I dug this up from an old post (March 200) of
  mine on  alt.meditation.transcendental; I no
  longer recall where I got the Wallace quote, but
  I think it may be about the subtle blood
  chemistry you're referring to:
  
  Wallace writes of the Kesterton study, referring to the finding 
  of many TM studies and also of Kesterton's study of periods of 
  spontaneous breath suspension: 
  
 Recent studies have extended these results and more carefully 
 analyzed the neurophysiological control of respiratory 
patterns 
 during the TM technique.  These studies show both a decreased 
 sensitivity to increased levels of carbon dioxide added to the 
 air inhaled during meditation and an increased sensitivity to 
low 
 levels of oxygen.  This suggests an even more refined pattern 
of 
 physiological functioning, indicating that there are specific 
 alterations in centers within the brain that are involved with 
 monitoring both carbon dioxide and oxygen levels. 
  
  In other words, Wallace's early findings may not have been 
  accurate, but more detailed analysis shows even more interesting 
  and complex changes than those he initially reported.
 
 
 
 My recollection at this point is somewhat vague, but I think that 
other neurochemicals 
 and/or hormonal and/or metabolic markers were involved.
 
 However, regarding your last statement ^ above:
 
 More complex, yes; but  more interesting? To whom?
 
 To the TM enthusiast or the neurophysiologist, perhaps. However, 
the complexity and 
 subtlety of these findings substantially mutes their impact on the 
public mind.

Oh, absolutely.  I meant interesting scientifically.

To the extent that there are such interesting but
complicated scientific findings, it must drive the
researchers nuts knowing that laypeople aren't going
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self

2005-11-01 Thread markmeredith2002

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson
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snip
 If I could choose my company the priorities would be the following:
 
 1.Responsible, nonmanipulative, empathetic people, who are capable of
 being in a dialogue. Enlightened or not, no difference here.
 
 2.Animals
 
 3.People with character disorder
 
 4.Enlightened people with character disorder ( a common receipt for
 gurus)

Here's my evolutionary ladder:

Big Bang
Primordial soup
Bacteria, viruses, algae
Insects
Fundamentalists
Reptiles
Enlightened gurus
Fish
Average humans
Plant life
Mammals
Evolved humans
Dogs








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[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Maharishi's Comments on Mahalakshmi

All boiled down to everything is everywhere or is that everywhere
is everything


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 ---
 
 The following is reported to be Maharishi's beautiful comments on
 Mahalakshmi ... very timely for this auspicious occasion...
  
 HAPPY MAHALAKSHMI PUJA -- DIPAVALI - DIWALI !
 
 =
 
 ... Maha Lakshmi ... the first syllable is Maha. Maha, great. And
this great
 in the context of education is the characteristic of consciousness.
 
 This Maha is the goal of anyone who is not yet Maha. So, Maha goal
is the
 meaning of the word Laksha... Laksha means the goal (Maha means
unbounded,
 infinite, immortal, eternal, Brahm, Totality, whole).
 
 Maha is the goal of that which is not Maha. The goal of Maha is to
swing in
 his greatness. It should be a living reality.
 
 That the unbounded does not remain only silent. But in that silence,
there
 should be lively all possibilities. So, the Laksha, the goal, the
goal of
 Maha is to have many in its unified wholeness.
 
 And the goal of that what is not Maha, the goal of small is to be
big and
 the goal of big is to swing in its own expressions.
 Infinity wants to flow from one end of infinity to the other end of
infinity
 and it's flowing, it divides itself, it quantifies itself, it qualifies
 itself.
 
 So it is the qualification which makes one look to the goal. Small
wants to
 qualify itself into as big as possible. The big wants to qualify
itself as
 the field of all possibilities from this end to that end.
 Maha is a goal and MI is a very, very significant word which is made
of two
 values, MA and I. When we look to MA, naturally it is me, the first
to the
 self, ME, even in English me, but in the Vedic terminology MI we
understand
 as total value of all four Vedas. MA, what MA is, it's the HUM, Hummm.
 
 Agnim-m-m. Rig, Yajur, Sama, Atharva. Then Atharva is a Hum. Hum of
all the
 four Vedas... Agni, it s a collapse of all the progression of all
the Vedas
 into a Hum.
 
 Hum means the total values of all sounds; all sounds are inherent in
Hum.
 And in that Hum which is focused on a point, that reality of the
point is
 then transformed into dynamism, which is represented by I.
 
 So, Maha Lakshmi this is the total Veda, concentrated into the Hum
and made
 dynamism. Here is concentration at a point, which then in its nature
is all
 dynamism.
 
 So, in the word Maha Lakshmi we have that enormous, unbounded, total,
 infinite, eternal immortality expressed in all the Vedas and found
located
 in a point.
 And then expanding a point in infinity, and dynamism again into
Maha. So,
 here is the total expression of the Veda, total expression of pure
 knowledge.
 
 Along with its infinite organising power in one point concentrating and
 expanding. This point value, this is Maha Lakshmi...
 
 So, the element of Maha Lakshmi is a composite of two values of opposite
 directions. Focal point and expanding in its nature, this is called
 Anyonyabhava.
 
 It has two kinds of directions, coming in, expanding and going
out... So,
 the Laksha, the goal of expanding value is to concentrate.
 
 The goal of concentrated value is to expand. And here is the seed of
Maha.
 This is Maha Lakshmi, at the point, which is both, expansion and
 contraction, infinite potential of the expansion element we could
see along
 with infinite expansion of contraction element.
 
 That means no matter where the situation is, there is all
possibility, no
 matter at what level we are considering or at any level of
contraction or at
 any level of expansion, here or here, at any level is Maha Lakshmi.
 
 There is a field of all possibilities and the field of all
possibilities in
 each cell is a concentrated point of silence within the quality of
infinite
 dynamism. Silence and dynamism, that means completely fulfilled of
 wakefulness.
 
 Completely fulfilled because it is not devoid of anything. Infinite
silence
 concentrated, infinite dynamism concentrated and therefore it is eternal
 state of fulfilment.
 
 It is a fulfilment of eternal value. Fulfilment of immortal value
because
 there is a field of all possibilities and in this field of all
possibilities
 is the element of fulfilment, infinite bliss.
 
 Infinite bliss is a quality of fulfilment and fulfilment the quality
of lack
 of lack. Devoid of nothingness.
 
 It is all fullness, completely fulfilled, self-sufficient infinity,
 eternity, capable of flowing in terms of waves, modified, qualified and
 still remaining unqualified at all time.
 
 Unqualified qualified fulfilment, that means it is unmanifest total
 potential of all qualifications that may be thought or desired.
 
 Maha Lakshmi is an element of all possibilities, completely
self-sufficient
 at any time, and any place. It is the total potential of all
possibilities.
 In the expression of prosperity, the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


snip

 To the extent that there are such interesting but
 complicated scientific findings, it must drive the
 researchers nuts knowing that laypeople aren't going
 to be able to make head nor tail of them.



Yeah. I guess we all have a cross to bear.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly

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 My recollection at this point is somewhat vague,

Is this your Scooter Libby defense?








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly

2005-11-01 Thread TurquoiseB

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  My recollection at this point is somewhat vague,
 
 Is this your Scooter Libby defense?

LOL, literally.  That really got a chuckle out 
of me.  Thanks.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  My recollection at this point is somewhat vague,
 
 Is this your Scooter Libby defense?




I got it from Nixon, actually.






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[FairfieldLife] Housing Market Continues Decline as Bubble Signs Rise

2005-11-01 Thread akasha_108

* US median home prices fell 5.7 percent
* Florida (Brevard County) housing prices dropped 9 % in Sept
* 30-year fixed mortgage rates hit highest levels at 6.15%,
* In Mass in Sept, the median price of a house dropped (4%)
* Northern Nevada median price fell from $353,250 in Sept, down from
$360,000 in Aug.
* San Diego Default Noticesup 39% (annual)
* In Calif. from July-Sept default notices 3.5% increase
* Southern Maine's red-hot real estate market is cooling off
* Hong Kong housing market had a real decrease of 57% from 1997 to
2002.
* UCLA's Dr. Thornberg: California Housing 35% overvalued

Florida (Brevard County) housing prices dropped more than 9
percent in September,

Median home prices in Brevard County dropped more than 9 percent in
September, leading to speculation in the industry that the once-hot
real estate market is officially cooling.

The median selling price for existing homes -- the point at which half
the homes sell for more, half for less -- fell to $225,300 in
September, down from $248,700 a month earlier.

It was the first monthly drop in median price since January.

The real estate market has dropped, said Betty McCluskey, owner of
McCluskey Realty Inc./GMAC Real Estate in Melbourne and Suntree. It
has switched from a seller's market to a buyer's market. And it's been
very fast -- only in the last couple of months.
http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051026/BUSINESS/510260360/1003

US median home sales price fell 5.7 percent to $215,700.

While sales rose, the supply of homes available for sale shot up to a
record 493,000 at the end of September, surpassing August's high of
478,000. At September's sales pace, that represented a 4.9 months' supply.

The median home sales price fell 5.7 percent to $215,700.

Low mortgage rates have sustained a years-long rally in the U.S.
housing sector, but recent data have begun to suggest some cooling in
the market. Earlier this week, a trade group said home resales came in
flat in September but would have been lower if not for aggressive
buying around hurricane-impacted areas.
http://nalert.blogspot.com/2005/10/median-home-sales-price-fell-57.html

30-year fixed mortgage rates hit highest levels at 6.15%,

Average fixed mortgage rates continue to hover at their highest levels
in more than year, with the 30-year this week hitting 6.15%, Freddie
Mac's latest survey showed Thursday.

The 30-year rate has increased for seven weeks without pause, in step
with gains in U.S. Treasury yields as the bond market sees higher
inflation risks only partly offset by the Federal Reserve's
inclination to keep tightening interest rates to head off deep-seeded
inflation
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/archivedStory.asp?archive=truedist=ArchiveSplashsiteid=mktwguid=%7BD257F06D%2D768D%2D48E2%2D87C9%2D221343842092%7DreturnURL=%2Fnews%2Fstory%2Easp%3Fguid%3D%7BD257F06D%2D768D%2D48E2%2D87C9%2D221343842092%7D%26siteid%3Dmktw%26dist%3Dmorenews%26archive%3Dtrue%26param%3Darchive%26garden%3D%26minisite%3D

In Massachusetts in September, the median price of a
single-family house dropped (4%)

The median price of a single-family house dropped for the first time
in seven months as the pace of home sales weakened across
Massachusetts in September, according to the monthly market report
yesterday from the Massachusetts Association of Realtors.

The median selling price for a single-family house was $360,000 in
September, down 4 percent from $375,000 in August. That was the first
monthly price drop since February, though prices were still higher
than they were a year ago. The number of single-family home sales that
closed in September was 4,464, roughly equal to year-ago sales.
http://www.boston.com/realestate/articles/2005/10/26/mass_home_prices_fall_in_september?mode=PF

Northern Nevada median price fell from $353,250 in September, down
from $360,000 in August.

September might have given the first clue that the red-hot Northern
Nevada residential real estate market is finally beginning to slow.
The Northern Nevada Regional Multiple Listing Service monthly report
shows that the median price in Washoe County was $353,250 in
September, down from $360,000 in August. It is the first time the MLS
showed a drop from month to month since August 2004.
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051021/BIZ12/510210398/1083

In Calif. from July-September default notices 3.5% increased from
a year earlier.

Mortgage defaults in California rose for the first time in more than
three years during the third quarter, as slower price gains and
riskier loans gave struggling homeowners less margin for error, data
released Thursday showed.

A separate report released Thursday showed other signs of a cooling
housing market, as inventories of unsold new homes nationwide rose to
a record.

During the July-September quarter, lenders sent default notices to
12,568 California homeowners, a 3.5% increase from

[FairfieldLife] Its Here -- Sort of.

2005-11-01 Thread akasha_108

 The H5 avian influenza virus has been found in wild migratory birds
in Canada, officials said, but it is unlikely the deadly H5N1 strain
threatening Asia and Europe and there is no threat to human health.

The virus, whose subtype must still be determined, was detected in 28
ducks in the eastern province of Quebec and five in Manitoba in
central Canada out of approximately 4,800 samples, said Jim Clark of
the Canadian Food Inspection Agency. 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Its Here -- Sort of.

F**k Canada!

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 migratory birds
 in Canada, officials said, but it is unlikely the
 deadly H5N1 strain
 threatening Asia and Europe and there is no threat
 to human health.
 
 The virus, whose subtype must still be determined,
 was detected in 28
 ducks in the eastern province of Quebec and five in
 Manitoba in
 central Canada out of approximately 4,800 samples,
 said Jim Clark of
 the Canadian Food Inspection Agency. 
 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Its Here -- Sort of.

2005-11-01 Thread mrfishey2001




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F**k Canada!

Always ironic, and rarely interesting, is this urgent need for the 
advanced mind to appear pedestrian. 






















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[FairfieldLife] Re: Are you part of a genetically engineered food experiment?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Food for thought:
  
  http://www.thecampaign.org/krafted/index.html
 
 People should also be aware that Bocaburger is a division of Kraft.
So, for those of you who think soybeans cooked in a factory at high
temperature in hydrochloric acid are a health food, you might
consider switching to a brand that has a more responsible corporate
parent.
 
 Alex


Alex
Any recommendations?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Are you part of a genetically engineered food experiment?

2005-11-01 Thread tazarmfune

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Food for thought:
   
   http://www.thecampaign.org/krafted/index.html
  
  People should also be aware that Bocaburger is a division of Kraft.



And Unilever owns Ben  Jerry's.


Best bet is to READ the ingredients.
If it does not say ORGANIC, it ain't.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are you part of a genetically engineered food experiment?

on 11/1/05 12:18 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Food for thought:
 
 http://www.thecampaign.org/krafted/index.html
 
 People should also be aware that Bocaburger is a division of Kraft.
 So, for those of you who think soybeans cooked in a factory at high
 temperature in hydrochloric acid are a health food, you might
 consider switching to a brand that has a more responsible corporate
 parent.
 
 Alex
 
 
 Alex
 Any recommendations?

Amy's are good.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I beg your pardon?  When did I ever suggest I was
 enlightened?


Then why so adamant about your position on the topic?

(Further comments on Peter and Irmeli appear below).

After years of delving into these topics myself, I have come to a 
conclusion - if the important truths involved in the various levels of 
realization are so ineffable that the human intellect cannot grasp 
them, then any concepts that we may have acquired via reading from 
Maharishi's commentary on the Gita or from Ramana Maharishi or etc. 
are limited in value in a discussion between people who do not share 
the same concepts.

The concepts themselves were presumably, in their original intent, 
imperfect attempts by realized individuals to explain ineffable 
truths to others, or at least, to help others to come to the same 
ineffable realizations themselves. If, in addition, the concepts have 
a venerable tradition enshrined by religious authority, then they may 
have devolved over time to take into account the understandings of 
some who have not also had the ineffable realizations themselves.

For these reasons, what I look for in any discussion of this kind are 
candid expressions of personal experience (I put personal in 
quotes for the sake of those that would have it that there is no I 
to have them). I sometimes read such expressions from Irmeli, Peter, 
and others. They can be refreshing in their honest, yet apparently 
contradictory nature. I suspect some truth coming from each of these 
parties. And the contradictions do not bother me. After all, ultimate 
truth is said to contain all opposites.

Irmeli wrote in response to Peter:
Clearly it is futile to discuss these issues with you. With my waking
state reality I just cannot comprehend you.


Such a shame - you each have so much to contribute. BTW, there may be 
a problem with the term waking state here. Irmeli appears to be 
using it to mean the state that the body/mind is in when it arises 
from sleep and goes about the activities of the day. Peter appears to 
be using it to mean the state that the body/mind is in before a 
certain level of realization in the field of universal consciousness. 
After this, the body/mind still arises from sleep and goes about the 
activities of the day.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  I beg your pardon?  When did I ever suggest I was
  enlightened?
 
 
 Then why so adamant about your position on the topic?
 
 (Further comments on Peter and Irmeli appear below).
 
 After years of delving into these topics myself, I have come to a 
 conclusion - if the important truths involved in the various 
levels of 
 realization are so ineffable that the human intellect cannot grasp 
 them, then any concepts that we may have acquired via reading from 
 Maharishi's commentary on the Gita or from Ramana Maharishi or 
etc. 
 are limited in value in a discussion between people who do not 
share 
 the same concepts.
 
True. It is a strange thing to attempt to communicate the subjective 
experience of enlightenment or realization or Brahman, because it is 
only from the state of enlightenment or realization or Brahman that 
a person can surely go, 'Aha!', and see the similarity in all of the 
descriptions of such a state.

On the other hand, perhaps it remains useful to continue the attempt 
at communicating such a state in general, because if we trace our 
link from the senses to the intellect to the Atman or localized Self 
within us, whether we are aware of our Atman or not, there is a 
recognition, even among the unenlightened, of some element of truth  
within the words of those who attempt to explain or convey their 
subjective experience of enlightenment, and therefore a possible 
signpost or indicator for our personal experience, that we may use 
to strengthen our desire for enlightenment, and hence move closer to 
the goal.

 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Maharishi's Comments on Mahalakshmi

2005-11-01 Thread brahmachari108

Beautiful comments, I think not. 
Contributing to the incestuous knowledge base m.y. is.
Fullness of Emptiness, Emptiness of Fullness...beautiful?
How do we get Her? Empty words without application.
Maha Lakshmi acheived with such lack of Love? Doubt it.

closer to the mark msg 77884 from that hanuman guy is Beautiful as 
Maha Lakshmi is.

Happy Diwali




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 
  
 

 ---
 
 The following is reported to be Maharishi's beautiful comments on
 Mahalakshmi ... very timely for this auspicious occasion...
  
 HAPPY MAHALAKSHMI PUJA -- DIPAVALI - DIWALI !
 
 =
 
 ... Maha Lakshmi ... the first syllable is Maha. Maha, great. And this great
 in the context of education is the characteristic of consciousness.
 
 This Maha is the goal of anyone who is not yet Maha. So, Maha goal is the
 meaning of the word Laksha... Laksha means the goal (Maha means unbounded,
 infinite, immortal, eternal, Brahm, Totality, whole).
 
 Maha is the goal of that which is not Maha. The goal of Maha is to swing in
 his greatness. It should be a living reality.
 
 That the unbounded does not remain only silent. But in that silence, there
 should be lively all possibilities. So, the Laksha, the goal, the goal of
 Maha is to have many in its unified wholeness.
 
 And the goal of that what is not Maha, the goal of small is to be big and
 the goal of big is to swing in its own expressions.
 Infinity wants to flow from one end of infinity to the other end of infinity
 and it's flowing, it divides itself, it quantifies itself, it qualifies
 itself.
 
 So it is the qualification which makes one look to the goal. Small wants to
 qualify itself into as big as possible. The big wants to qualify itself as
 the field of all possibilities from this end to that end.
 Maha is a goal and MI is a very, very significant word which is made of two
 values, MA and I. When we look to MA, naturally it is me, the first to the
 self, ME, even in English me, but in the Vedic terminology MI we understand
 as total value of all four Vedas. MA, what MA is, it's the HUM, Hummm.
 
 Agnim-m-m. Rig, Yajur, Sama, Atharva. Then Atharva is a Hum. Hum of all the
 four Vedas... Agni, it s a collapse of all the progression of all the Vedas
 into a Hum.
 
 Hum means the total values of all sounds; all sounds are inherent in Hum.
 And in that Hum which is focused on a point, that reality of the point is
 then transformed into dynamism, which is represented by I.
 
 So, Maha Lakshmi this is the total Veda, concentrated into the Hum and made
 dynamism. Here is concentration at a point, which then in its nature is all
 dynamism.
 
 So, in the word Maha Lakshmi we have that enormous, unbounded, total,
 infinite, eternal immortality expressed in all the Vedas and found located
 in a point.
 And then expanding a point in infinity, and dynamism again into Maha. So,
 here is the total expression of the Veda, total expression of pure
 knowledge.
 
 Along with its infinite organising power in one point concentrating and
 expanding. This point value, this is Maha Lakshmi...
 
 So, the element of Maha Lakshmi is a composite of two values of opposite
 directions. Focal point and expanding in its nature, this is called
 Anyonyabhava.
 
 It has two kinds of directions, coming in, expanding and going out... So,
 the Laksha, the goal of expanding value is to concentrate.
 
 The goal of concentrated value is to expand. And here is the seed of Maha.
 This is Maha Lakshmi, at the point, which is both, expansion and
 contraction, infinite potential of the expansion element we could see along
 with infinite expansion of contraction element.
 
 That means no matter where the situation is, there is all possibility, no
 matter at what level we are considering or at any level of contraction or at
 any level of expansion, here or here, at any level is Maha Lakshmi.
 
 There is a field of all possibilities and the field of all possibilities in
 each cell is a concentrated point of silence within the quality of infinite
 dynamism. Silence and dynamism, that means completely fulfilled of
 wakefulness.
 
 Completely fulfilled because it is not devoid of anything. Infinite silence
 concentrated, infinite dynamism concentrated and therefore it is eternal
 state of fulfilment.
 
 It is a fulfilment of eternal value. Fulfilment of immortal value because
 there is a field of all possibilities and in this field of all possibilities
 is the element of fulfilment, infinite bliss.
 
 Infinite bliss is a quality of fulfilment and fulfilment the quality of lack
 of lack. Devoid of nothingness.
 
 It is all fullness, completely fulfilled, self-sufficient infinity,
 eternity, capable of flowing in terms of waves, modified, qualified and
 still remaining unqualified at all time.
 
 Unqualified qualified fulfilment, that means it

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-11-01 Thread brahmachari108



  
   Objectively?
   
   I belive MMY says that levitation is proof of samadhi.
   
   I suppose this means that if a person who is a known TMSP-practitioner
   repeatedly can take-off, hoover and settle down in a controlled
   manner, chances are this person is CC or above.


   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brahmachari108
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Horse crap.
 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 How so?

Notions of CC, GC, UC are inventions of Mahesh Yogi. 
Where in Veda are these mentioned?
What is above or below in the state of Turiya?










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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self

Reply below.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
   I beg your pardon?  When did I ever suggest I was
   enlightened?
  
  
  Then why so adamant about your position on the topic?
  
  (Further comments on Peter and Irmeli appear below).
  
  After years of delving into these topics myself, I have come to 
a 
  conclusion - if the important truths involved in the various 
 levels of 
  realization are so ineffable that the human intellect cannot 
grasp 
  them, then any concepts that we may have acquired via reading 
from 
  Maharishi's commentary on the Gita or from Ramana Maharishi or 
 etc. 
  are limited in value in a discussion between people who do not 
 share 
  the same concepts.
  
 True. It is a strange thing to attempt to communicate the 
subjective 
 experience of enlightenment or realization or Brahman, because it 
is 
 only from the state of enlightenment or realization or Brahman 
that 
 a person can surely go, 'Aha!', and see the similarity in all of 
the 
 descriptions of such a state.
 
 On the other hand, perhaps it remains useful to continue the 
attempt 
 at communicating such a state in general, because if we trace our 
 link from the senses to the intellect to the Atman or localized 
Self 
 within us, whether we are aware of our Atman or not, there is a 
 recognition, even among the unenlightened, of some element of 
truth  
 within the words of those who attempt to explain or convey their 
 subjective experience of enlightenment, and therefore a possible 
 signpost or indicator for our personal experience, that we may use 
 to strengthen our desire for enlightenment, and hence move closer 
to 
 the goal.



I think you are agreeing with me here. The remainder of my post, 
which you snipped, reflected on the refreshing value of personal 
expressions of personal experience. :D







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment..

2005-11-01 Thread brahmachari108

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brahmachari108 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  snip
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paula Youmans 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
  
Seriously.how does anyone ever know???
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   I don't believe anyone ever does, in an absolute sense. Life is 
 one 
   long continuum, from evolution to dissolution and over and over 
   again, so 'enlightenment' as we call it, is a step whereby we 
   recognize that our sense of ourselves transcends the limitations 
   that our prior evolution has placed on us. We are larger than we 
   ever imagined, and live and experience this as reality. 
   
   It seems as if that state is only called 'enlightenment' because 
 the 
   common experience in daily life and locked within our DNA is 
 that we 
   *are* in fact the sum of our limitations. It is how worlds are 
 built 
   typically on Earth, now. That whole 'not enough resources, grab 
 what 
   you can' mentality is a result of living as self-limited beings.
   
   So, when we stop living the surrealistic reality of our assumed 
   limitations, and become free, we are said to then 
 be 'enlightened'. 
   But it is merely relative to what our past experience has been. 
 In 
   reality, there is no actual enlightenment. It is just an 
   evolutionary stage we are very, very fond of here on Earth, 
 around 
   which a consensus has formed with regard to its desirability.
   
   On the one hand, it is a significant achievement, a milestone of 
   growth, and on the other hand it is no different really from the 
   achievements we have achieved all of our lives.
   
   Perhaps we prize it so greatly because of the subjective 
 experience 
   both of inner and outer freedom, and the knowledge, ability, 
   responsibility and love that comes with it. All admirable 
 qualities. 
   It both encompasses and transforms the human experience.
   
   And yet, once this state of inner and outer freedom is reached, 
 life 
   goes on, relative responsibilities and achievements continue, 
 and 
   one day we will look a long way back and realize 
   that 'enlightenment', that which seemed so important once, is 
 not so 
   relevant to our lives, that the importance of that awakening has 
   faded over the years, like the memory of a favorite relative, or 
 the 
   significant achievement of learning to walk as a young child. 
   
   Yet, on the horizon of our timeless lives ...another 
 enlightenment 
   beckons...
  
  
  Forgive please but what does your believing have to do with the 
 Truth of it?
  Interesting it is in this group how so many are so eager to let 
 others know what their 
  thinking is on enlightenment.
 
 What is your thinking on it?

What good is it to think on it? 

  
  Mental masturbation, this suppostion on the qualities of 
 enlightenment.
 
 Is that all you can do because you are 'brahmachari'-- *mental* 
 masturbation?

I don't do sex in any fashion. Mental or otherwise.
Brahmachari definition is not limited to sex.
Truth.

 
  TMO fallout.EGO.
 
 So you've had bad experiences with the TMO?

No, I had good experiences at the time, but found out these experiences 
really didn't 
provide Truth nor enlightenment.
No regrets.

 
  Flowery words making it sound as if there is none, yet the 
 proferring itself betrays.
 
 What are you talking about?

Reading your words and most others on their proclamations betrays the level of 
so called 
enlightenment.
Do you think that if someone were truly enlightened, he would feel the need to 
tell 
others? What other exists in enlightenment?
If enlightenment is egoless, then what drives this need?

  
  Just a few in this group actually contribute references within 
 their paths of practice without 
  the personal commentary of what they think they know.
  
  More useful and true to the mission of this group, it would be if 
 more of such 
  contributions were posted.
 
 What is the mission of this group, as you see it?

It's obvious that garrulity rules.
Let me tell you what I think...EGO may not be the mission but it appears 
clearly.
A place for worthless banter on subjects equally worthless from a group of 
supposedly 
spiritually advanced practitioners.

Save for a few gems.

  
  Worthless as well, this post.
 
 To each his own...

Indeed.

What do I know.

Nothing personal...

Peace.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  I beg your pardon?  When did I ever suggest I was
  enlightened?
 
 
 Then why so adamant about your position on the topic?

The topic of how difficult it is to discuss
enlightenment in relative terms, you mean?

One doesn't have to be enlightened to have a
sense of where the intellect leaves off and
what it can't do.






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[FairfieldLife] Ghosts calmed by TM

2005-11-01 Thread bbrigante

The atmosphere in the Idanha has been a little calmer these days. The 
old hotel was bought by investors who have been practicing 
Transcendental Meditation on the sixth floor.

We haven't felt its presence as much. The meditation and the drum 
playing seems to calm the ghost down, Dobson said.

http://tinyurl.com/7d5f9





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment..

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brahmachari108 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brahmachari108 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   snip
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paula Youmans 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
   
 Seriously.how does anyone ever know???
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
I don't believe anyone ever does, in an absolute sense. Life 
is 
  one 
long continuum, from evolution to dissolution and over and 
over 
again, so 'enlightenment' as we call it, is a step whereby 
we 
recognize that our sense of ourselves transcends the 
limitations 
that our prior evolution has placed on us. We are larger 
than we 
ever imagined, and live and experience this as reality. 

It seems as if that state is only called 'enlightenment' 
because 
  the 
common experience in daily life and locked within our DNA is 
  that we 
*are* in fact the sum of our limitations. It is how worlds 
are 
  built 
typically on Earth, now. That whole 'not enough resources, 
grab 
  what 
you can' mentality is a result of living as self-limited 
beings.

So, when we stop living the surrealistic reality of our 
assumed 
limitations, and become free, we are said to then 
  be 'enlightened'. 
But it is merely relative to what our past experience has 
been. 
  In 
reality, there is no actual enlightenment. It is just an 
evolutionary stage we are very, very fond of here on Earth, 
  around 
which a consensus has formed with regard to its desirability.

On the one hand, it is a significant achievement, a 
milestone of 
growth, and on the other hand it is no different really from 
the 
achievements we have achieved all of our lives.

Perhaps we prize it so greatly because of the subjective 
  experience 
both of inner and outer freedom, and the knowledge, ability, 
responsibility and love that comes with it. All admirable 
  qualities. 
It both encompasses and transforms the human experience.

And yet, once this state of inner and outer freedom is 
reached, 
  life 
goes on, relative responsibilities and achievements 
continue, 
  and 
one day we will look a long way back and realize 
that 'enlightenment', that which seemed so important once, 
is 
  not so 
relevant to our lives, that the importance of that awakening 
has 
faded over the years, like the memory of a favorite 
relative, or 
  the 
significant achievement of learning to walk as a young 
child. 

Yet, on the horizon of our timeless lives ...another 
  enlightenment 
beckons...
   
   
   Forgive please but what does your believing have to do with 
the 
  Truth of it?
   Interesting it is in this group how so many are so eager to 
let 
  others know what their 
   thinking is on enlightenment.
  
  What is your thinking on it?
 
 What good is it to think on it? 
 
   
   Mental masturbation, this suppostion on the qualities of 
  enlightenment.
  
  Is that all you can do because you are 'brahmachari'-- *mental* 
  masturbation?
 
 I don't do sex in any fashion. Mental or otherwise.
 Brahmachari definition is not limited to sex.
 Truth.
 
  
   TMO fallout.EGO.
  
  So you've had bad experiences with the TMO?
 
 No, I had good experiences at the time, but found out these 
experiences really didn't 
 provide Truth nor enlightenment.
 No regrets.
 
  
   Flowery words making it sound as if there is none, yet the 
  proferring itself betrays.
  
  What are you talking about?
 
 Reading your words and most others on their proclamations betrays 
the level of so called 
 enlightenment.
 Do you think that if someone were truly enlightened, he would feel 
the need to tell 
 others? What other exists in enlightenment?
 If enlightenment is egoless, then what drives this need?
 
   
   Just a few in this group actually contribute references within 
  their paths of practice without 
   the personal commentary of what they think they know.
   
   More useful and true to the mission of this group, it would be 
if 
  more of such 
   contributions were posted.
  
  What is the mission of this group, as you see it?
 
 It's obvious that garrulity rules.
 Let me tell you what I think...EGO may not be the mission but it 
appears clearly.
 A place for worthless banter on subjects equally worthless from a 
group of supposedly 
 spiritually advanced practitioners.
 
 Save for a few gems.
 
   
   Worthless as well, this post.
  
  To each his own...
 
 Indeed.
 
 What do I know.
 
 Nothing personal...
 
 Peace.

And peace to you. Someone once said that it is easy to be a critic. 
I personally enjoy sharing experiences and commenting on them. It is 
all pretty light-hearted actually. And if there are a few gems 
amongst all the dross, so be

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Introduction

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 *Subject:* TM Introduction
  
  Dr. Director of the TM Peace Palace Project:
  
 I hardly know how to begin other than to express my extreme 
disappointment
 and disillusionment over the introduction to the practice of TM 
and the
 potential of a Peace Palace being built here in our city.
  
 Your presentation was something right out of an L Ron Hubbard 
Dianetics
 seminar.
  
 I have had the TM web sight book marked quite some time. I have 
read about
 the meditative benefits and life changing opportunities on the web 
site, in
 many periodicals, most recently an article on meditation in my 
latest Yoga
 Journal. I have been reading about the quest that David Lynch has 
taken up
 and had thought it most noble.
  
 The total lack of altruism, and I believe misrepresentation, of 
your
 promotion of the TM practice and the Peace Palace is outrageously 
incredible
 and severely naïve for a group that promotes Enlightenment. I 
believe you
 will find our city much more enlightened than your group took our 
community
 for.
  
 I speak only for myself and Terri  but we have achieved a level of
 enlightenment through our separate searching's and readings and 
life choices
 and in our coming together to share and explore and meditate 
through many
 outlets  that I am quite embarrassed by your elementary attempt to 
reach
 out to the community under the guise of 'science meets 
enlightenment and
 world peace' at the low, low cost of $2500.
  
 There are other true Vedic teachers and others of many followings 
and
 beliefs, who teach, train mentor and guide to be found in the 
world who do
 so out of an inner desire to share and to love and to help and all 
they
 require in return is the possibility and potential of those that 
seek them
 and that come after.
  
 I find it hard to express succinctly exactly how I feel.
  
 I will be commenting on the TM web site and I will write to the 
editor of my
 Yoga Journal and pass on my experience with this introduction to 
the TM
 practice, and I will pass on to anyone who expresses an interest 
in the
 Peace Palace that, yes, it may be coming and may be available to
 anyone who is willing to pay.
 
  
 REPLY:
  
 
 e-Conversation with someone who came to my intro last night.  
Please don't
 forward to anyone without first removing my name and address.  
I've changed
 the names to protect the innocent.
 
 
 Hi Alice,
  
  Thanks for coming to the intro and for your candid if somewhat 
searing
 critique of our programs and presentation.  I was going to call 
you to get
 your feedback to see if it concurred with my intuition of your 
reception -
 that you (and Terri) were turned off by the price of instruction-
-$2500.
  
 Is that correct?  I'm sorry that I wasn't able to overcome that 
objection
 and it's a BIG objection, the dichotomy between what's commonly 
taken for
 spirituality and materialism.  This has even divided people in our
 organization--I know several TM teachers who have refused to teach 
at this
 rate.  I'm curious to know at what price point your objection 
would drop and
 you would begin the practice, as you indicate that you think it 
would be
 good to learn the Transcendental Meditation technique, with 
its meditative
 benefits and life changing opportunities.
  
 Thanks for taking the time to write this fairly long and 
thoughtful e-mail.
 I think we can respect each other's opinions and feelings--and if 
I can't
 convert you--that we can nevertheless, 'agree to disagree' 
(excuse the
 cliche') and maybe yet become friends?  Ultimately we want the 
same things
 for ourselves, our families and even our country, don't we?  
Perfect health,
 peace, prosperity, happiness, and the 24 hour bliss of Brahman 
(Unity)
 Consciousness?  In that respect are we not comrades rather than 
adversaries?
  
 As I have never been to one, I'll have to take your word for the 
Dianetics
 thing and take it as a complement?  And I agree that this city is a
 wonderful place with a lot of highly intelligent and creative 
people, but
 I'll disagree with your use of the term enlightened, reserving 
that for a
 specific state of human consciousness that increasingly can be 
verified by
 its physiological correlates--brain functioning primarily but many 
others as
 well.  The terms enlightened and enlightenment, like the co-opting 
of mantra
 and pundit, have come to mean something much less than their 
original
 meanings.  So when I use the term I will capitalize it and use it 
to mean
 one or all of the 5th thru 7th states that I presented last night--
Cosmic,
 God and Unity Consciousness.  To try to improve our communications 
(assuming
 if I may, that we will hopefully continue them), I will tell you 
that my
 understanding of Cosmic Consciousness is that this is the state 
somewhat
 commonly referred to as Nirvana, i.e., that there are two more 
states of
 consciousness beyond that.
  
 The sword

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Nov 1, 2005, at 9:20 AM, L B Shriver wrote:
 
  For many years (based primarily on Wallace), TM teachers around 
the  
  world proudly
  pointed to the O2 consumption chart and told audiences 
collectively  
  numbering in the
  milllions that this one, single, incontrovertible measure 
proved  
  beyond reasonable doubt
  that TM provided the deepest level of rest available to humanity
an  
  coincidentally,
  unavailable by any other method.
 
  With Kesterson's finding, that claim was shattered. It was not,  
  however, immediately
  withdrawn from public use. No bulletin was sent out to teachers 
in  
  the field. (In fact, I'm
  sure there must be old timers out there still using it.) 
Instead,  
  it was retired without
  fanfare. In its place were now claims that subtle measures of 
blood  
  chemistry and other
  global measures showed that TM produced a level of rest twice 
as  
  deep as sleep. So the
  concept was not dropped.
 
 
 One that's not being mentioned and was one of the items 
that sold  
 me as a 14-year old was the old chart you used to see that 
indicated  
 (IIRC) that TM was something like 8 times deeper than sleep! It 
was  
 the old chart of galvanic skin resistance chart showing this deep 
dip  
 in the curve for TM. In fact they still seem to be 
using galvanic  
 skin resistance as something they feel is an important indicator:
 
 http://www.mum.edu/tm_research/p1.html
 
 If I find a picture of this chart, I'll try to post it here. IMO,  
 that was probably the most misleading chart. I seem to remember 
being  
 told that TM reduced the metabolic rate many times--6, 7 or 8 
times-- 
 deeper than sleep. And they used this chart to sell it.


You've been had (fooled, tricked, worked, hoodwinked, bamboozeled).
The whole point of TM was hidden from you. The point of it was not 
to give you deeper sleep, but to WAKE YOU UP.
What a con.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 snip
  If I could choose my company the priorities would be the 
following:
  
  1.Responsible, nonmanipulative, empathetic people, who are 
capable of
  being in a dialogue. Enlightened or not, no difference here.
  
  2.Animals
  
  3.People with character disorder
  
  4.Enlightened people with character disorder ( a common 
receipt for
  gurus)
 


You missed some:


 Here's my evolutionary ladder:
 
 Big Bang
 Primordial soup
 Bacteria, viruses, algae, GW Bush 
 Insects
 Fundamentalists
 Reptiles, Dick Cheney
 Enlightened gurus
 Fish
 Average humans
 Plant life
 Mammals
 Evolved humans
 Dogs
 Laird Hamilton
 Singing mice.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paula Youmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 Soounds great. I suspect I'll be dead from a heart attack or in a 
 looney bin from the rollercoaster ride before that happens to me. 
 Never was good at rollercoasters.
 
 OffWorld
 
 
 
   _  
 
  
 
 Ironically enough, I did end up in a loony bin from the roller 
coaster ride
 (thanks mom). 
 
 No joke.It gets intense! But I am happy to say that years later 
and a couple
 of more rides under my belt have helped me understand enough and 
gather
 enough tools that it don't sound like a blathering idiot when 
going
 through it anymore lol (er, I think).
 
 At first it was very hard to maintain any cohesive thought in the 
physical
 world.but I am hoping those days are behind me. 
 
 So far so good (thank god). 
 
  
 
 :-)


Its all good, you can't go wrong.

OffWorld.







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[FairfieldLife] Know this for sure...

2005-11-01 Thread hanumanhoffman9

http://www.dattapeetham.com/india/bhaktimala/august98/darshisong.htm

www.dattapeetham.com

Happy Deepavali!

Hari Om Tat Sat





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Housing Market Continues Decline as Bubble Signs Rise

SHUDDUP ! ! !
I'm buying  my first friggin' house this week !
Stop freakin' me out !

OffWorld


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 * US median home prices fell 5.7 percent 
 * Florida (Brevard County) housing prices dropped 9 % in Sept
 * 30-year fixed mortgage rates hit highest levels at 6.15%, 
 * In Mass in Sept, the median price of a house dropped (4%) 
 * Northern Nevada median price fell from $353,250 in Sept, down 
from
 $360,000 in Aug. 
 * San Diego Default Noticesup 39% (annual)
 * In Calif. from July-Sept default notices 3.5% increase 
 * Southern Maine's red-hot real estate market is cooling off
 * Hong Kong housing market had a real decrease of 57% from 1997 
to
 2002. 
 * UCLA's Dr. Thornberg: California Housing 35% overvalued
 
 ==
 
 
  Florida (Brevard County) housing prices dropped more than 9
 percent in September,
 
 Median home prices in Brevard County dropped more than 9 percent in
 September, leading to speculation in the industry that the once-hot
 real estate market is officially cooling.
 
 The median selling price for existing homes -- the point at which 
half
 the homes sell for more, half for less -- fell to $225,300 in
 September, down from $248,700 a month earlier.
 
 It was the first monthly drop in median price since January.
 
 The real estate market has dropped, said Betty McCluskey, owner 
of
 McCluskey Realty Inc./GMAC Real Estate in Melbourne and 
Suntree. It
 has switched from a seller's market to a buyer's market. And it's 
been
 very fast -- only in the last couple of months.
 http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?
AID=/20051026/BUSINESS/510260360/1003
 
 
 
  US median home sales price fell 5.7 percent to $215,700.
 
 While sales rose, the supply of homes available for sale shot up 
to a
 record 493,000 at the end of September, surpassing August's high of
 478,000. At September's sales pace, that represented a 4.9 months' 
supply.
 
 The median home sales price fell 5.7 percent to $215,700.
 
 Low mortgage rates have sustained a years-long rally in the U.S.
 housing sector, but recent data have begun to suggest some cooling 
in
 the market. Earlier this week, a trade group said home resales 
came in
 flat in September but would have been lower if not for aggressive
 buying around hurricane-impacted areas.
 http://nalert.blogspot.com/2005/10/median-home-sales-price-fell-
57.html
 
 
 
  30-year fixed mortgage rates hit highest levels at 6.15%, 
 
 Average fixed mortgage rates continue to hover at their highest 
levels
 in more than year, with the 30-year this week hitting 6.15%, 
Freddie
 Mac's latest survey showed Thursday.
 
 The 30-year rate has increased for seven weeks without pause, in 
step
 with gains in U.S. Treasury yields as the bond market sees higher
 inflation risks only partly offset by the Federal Reserve's
 inclination to keep tightening interest rates to head off deep-
seeded
 inflation
 http://www.marketwatch.com/news/archivedStory.asp?
archive=truedist=ArchiveSplashsiteid=mktwguid=%7BD257F06D%2D768D%
2D48E2%2D87C9%2D221343842092%7DreturnURL=%2Fnews%2Fstory%2Easp%
3Fguid%3D%7BD257F06D%2D768D%2D48E2%2D87C9%2D221343842092%7D%26siteid%
3Dmktw%26dist%3Dmorenews%26archive%3Dtrue%26param%3Darchive%26garden%
3D%26minisite%3D
 
 
  In Massachusetts in September, the median price of a
 single-family house dropped (4%) 
 
 The median price of a single-family house dropped for the first 
time
 in seven months as the pace of home sales weakened across
 Massachusetts in September, according to the monthly market report
 yesterday from the Massachusetts Association of Realtors.
 
 The median selling price for a single-family house was $360,000 in
 September, down 4 percent from $375,000 in August. That was the 
first
 monthly price drop since February, though prices were still higher
 than they were a year ago. The number of single-family home sales 
that
 closed in September was 4,464, roughly equal to year-ago sales.
 
http://www.boston.com/realestate/articles/2005/10/26/mass_home_prices
_fall_in_september?mode=PF
 
 
 Northern Nevada median price fell from $353,250 in September, down
 from $360,000 in August. 
 
 September might have given the first clue that the red-hot Northern
 Nevada residential real estate market is finally beginning to slow.
 The Northern Nevada Regional Multiple Listing Service monthly 
report
 shows that the median price in Washoe County was $353,250 in
 September, down from $360,000 in August. It is the first time the 
MLS
 showed a drop from month to month since August 2004.
 http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?
AID=/20051021/BIZ12/510210398/1083
 
 
  In Calif. from July-September default notices 3.5% increased 
from
 a year earlier.
 
 Mortgage defaults in California rose for the first time in more 
than
 three years during the third quarter, as slower price gains and
 riskier loans gave struggling homeowners less margin for

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment


On Nov 1, 2005, at 3:38 PM, brahmachari108 wrote:

 Notions of CC, GC, UC are inventions of Mahesh Yogi.
 Where in Veda are these mentioned?
 What is above or below in the state of Turiya?


CC = samkhya and yoga
GC = mimamsa and Vaishnava devotionalism.
UC = Badarayana sutras

and numerous other places. Definitive work on CC and UC is  
jivanmuktiviveka of Shankaracharya Vidyaranya.

Mahesh weaned his take on these from reading the various commentaries  
of the Badaraynana sutras, esp. favoring Shankara's bhasya/comments/POV.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment..


On Nov 1, 2005, at 3:55 PM, brahmachari108 wrote:

 Reading your words and most others on their proclamations betrays  
 the level of so called
 enlightenment.
 Do you think that if someone were truly enlightened, he would feel  
 the need to tell
 others? What other exists in enlightenment?
 If enlightenment is egoless, then what drives this need?

applause

A fully enlightened Buddha cannot declare himself enlightened as it  
will harm other sentient beings.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Introduction

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  *Subject:* TM Introduction
   
   Dr. Director of the TM Peace Palace Project:
[BIG SNIP] 
 
 Why doesn't he just tell her it is about $40 a month over 5 years, 
 or  about $20 a month over 10 years. She probably spends more than 
 that on cafe-lattes and Japanese dine outs each month. Some seeker.
 When I was a seeker I was ready to give up everything at great 
risk 
 to myself and to my future finance, and go to India with nothing. 
 Those were the days of the true seekers. Now everyone wants it for 
 the price of a Cafe-Grande.
 Sad days indeed.
 
 OffWorld


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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
   I beg your pardon?  When did I ever suggest I was
   enlightened?
  
  
  Then why so adamant about your position on the topic?
 
 The topic of how difficult it is to discuss
 enlightenment in relative terms, you mean?
 
 One doesn't have to be enlightened to have a
 sense of where the intellect leaves off and
 what it can't do.

***
No. The topic of what enlightenment is. It's attributes. For example 
(only), whether or not the enlightened brahmin sees differences 
between a brahmin, a cow, etc.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Introduction

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   *Subject:* TM Introduction

Dr. Director of the TM Peace Palace Project:
 [BIG SNIP] 
  
  Why doesn't he just tell her it is about $40 a month over 5 
years, 
  or  about $20 a month over 10 years. She probably spends more 
than 
  that on cafe-lattes and Japanese dine outs each month. Some 
seeker.
  When I was a seeker I was ready to give up everything at great 
 risk 
  to myself and to my future finance, and go to India with 
nothing. 
  Those were the days of the true seekers. Now everyone wants it 
for 
  the price of a Cafe-Grande.
  Sad days indeed.
  
  OffWorld
 
 


 On the other hand, does the world really need the peace palaces?


Probably. 
Alternatively we could just start a casino or a hogfarm. Think it 
would be as good to have a casino in your town?

OffWorld






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
I beg your pardon?  When did I ever suggest I was
enlightened?
   
   
   Then why so adamant about your position on the topic?
  
  The topic of how difficult it is to discuss
  enlightenment in relative terms, you mean?
  
  One doesn't have to be enlightened to have a
  sense of where the intellect leaves off and
  what it can't do.
 
 ***
 No. The topic of what enlightenment is. It's attributes. For 
example 
 (only), whether or not the enlightened brahmin sees differences 
 between a brahmin, a cow, etc.

Jeez.  That was me *quoting Maharishi*.

I don't have to be enlightened to quote MMY,
do I?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Introduction

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   *Subject:* TM Introduction

Dr. Director of the TM Peace Palace Project:
 [BIG SNIP] 
  
  Why doesn't he just tell her it is about $40 a month over 5 
years, 
  or  about $20 a month over 10 years. She probably spends more 
than 
  that on cafe-lattes and Japanese dine outs each month. Some 
seeker.
  When I was a seeker I was ready to give up everything at great 
 risk 
  to myself and to my future finance, and go to India with 
nothing. 
  Those were the days of the true seekers. Now everyone wants it 
for 
  the price of a Cafe-Grande.
  Sad days indeed.
  
  OffWorld
 
 
 On the other hand, does the world really need the peace palaces?

Can't hurt. Eliminate a few weapons systems and there they are. 
Where there's a will, there's a way...Perhaps there is no will.





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wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
 I beg your pardon?  When did I ever suggest I was
 enlightened?


Then why so adamant about your position on the topic?
   
   The topic of how difficult it is to discuss
   enlightenment in relative terms, you mean?
   
   One doesn't have to be enlightened to have a
   sense of where the intellect leaves off and
   what it can't do.
  
  ***
  No. The topic of what enlightenment is. It's attributes. For 
 example 
  (only), whether or not the enlightened brahmin sees differences 
  between a brahmin, a cow, etc.
 
 Jeez.  That was me *quoting Maharishi*.
 
 I don't have to be enlightened to quote MMY,
 do I?

***
Not at all. Not really meaning to get on your case. You did a good 
job of quoting MMY.

And not to pick on you in particular. I just get a sense sometimes 
when reading threads such as this one that some people are living 
too much in their conceptual worlds about what enlightenment is 
supposed to be about based on formulaic expressions coming from a 
variety of sources, be they MMY or Buddhist teachings or what not.

Having done that for many years, I am very familiar with it. MMY's 
teachings were always home base. And I presumed them to be 
impeccable and the final word. Even though the topic was supposedly 
ineffable, it never occurred to me that memorizing a huge conceptual 
structure and ever learning more fine points of knowledge had very 
little to do with the actual business of progressing on a path or 
of recognizing one's own experiences for what they actually are.

Sometimes, I would venture out of the MMY home base and study some 
other teachings as an inspirational conceptual exercise. It was 
natural to try to understand other systems of knowledge in the 
light of SCI as MMY taught us to do. Eventually, I learned to 
understand other conceptual frameworks in their own light, and began 
to feel that MMY's words may not always be impeccable and the final 
word. And some time later, I became much more interested in my own 
growing experience of what's really going on here (meaning, in the 
realm of consciousness) than in what MMY might have said about it 
once. And along with that, I am thrilled and inspired to hear about 
the growing experiences of others, in their own, authentic words, 
not in the words of some conceptual structure originating outside of 
their own experiences.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Introduction



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 On the other hand, does the world really need the
 peace palaces?

I think the peace palaces will go the way of the
pundits. A lot of show but no go. They'll be used to
raise money for MMY's nephews. I think they need a new
palace themselves, don't they? Poor tykes!



 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment..



--- brahmachari108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

snip

 
 Reading your words and most others on their
 proclamations betrays the level of so called 
 enlightenment.
 Do you think that if someone were truly enlightened,
 he would feel the need to tell 
 others? What other exists in enlightenment?
 If enlightenment is egoless, then what drives this
 need?

The incentive to act is the same in the enlightened as
well as the unenlightened. Just that the unenlightened
think that they do it. The enlightened know that
nobody does anything. It just happens like the rising
and setting of the sun. But this understanding is
utterly useless for the dharma of waking state, that's
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment..

 --- brahmachari108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 snip
 
  
  Reading your words and most others on their
  proclamations betrays the level of so called 
  enlightenment.
  Do you think that if someone were truly enlightened,
  he would feel the need to tell 
  others? What other exists in enlightenment?
  If enlightenment is egoless, then what drives this
  need?


Are you speaking from personal experience? or from your understanding 
of what the behavior of enlightened people looks like?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Not at all. Not really meaning to get on your case. You did a good 
 job of quoting MMY.
 
 And not to pick on you in particular. I just get a sense sometimes 
 when reading threads such as this one that some people are living 
 too much in their conceptual worlds about what enlightenment is 
 supposed to be about based on formulaic expressions coming from a 
 variety of sources, be they MMY or Buddhist teachings or what not.
 
 Having done that for many years, I am very familiar with it. MMY's 
 teachings were always home base. And I presumed them to be 
 impeccable and the final word. Even though the topic was 
supposedly 
 ineffable, it never occurred to me that memorizing a huge 
conceptual 
 structure and ever learning more fine points of knowledge had 
very 
 little to do with the actual business of progressing on a path 
or 
 of recognizing one's own experiences for what they actually are.
 
 Sometimes, I would venture out of the MMY home base and study some 
 other teachings as an inspirational conceptual exercise. It was 
 natural to try to understand other systems of knowledge in the 
 light of SCI as MMY taught us to do. Eventually, I learned to 
 understand other conceptual frameworks in their own light, and 
began 
 to feel that MMY's words may not always be impeccable and the 
final 
 word. And some time later, I became much more interested in my own 
 growing experience of what's really going on here (meaning, in the 
 realm of consciousness) than in what MMY might have said about it 
 once. And along with that, I am thrilled and inspired to hear 
about 
 the growing experiences of others, in their own, authentic words, 
 not in the words of some conceptual structure originating outside 
of 
 their own experiences.
 
 So I just want to encourage that kind of interchange.

Cool! Yep, me too. Perhaps MMY provided a framework of 
understanding, a jumpstart of sorts, that then allows us after 
awhile to explore the realm of consciousness for its own sake, on 
our own terms. It seems to be both a good way to get started 
regarding the topic of consciousness (SCI, etc.), and a natural 
progression to move beyond it after awhile.

Much as we poke at MMY's faults, he did provide a far reaching 
framework for many of us to explore the realm of consciousness. For 
example, widely advertising that there are specific higher states,  
each with their own symptoms (*lol*). 

It isn't perfect, but at least gets the vehicle rolling in the right 
direction. Then we remember who is, and who isn't, really in the 
driver's seat, and the real ride begins!







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[FairfieldLife] We need 3 votes to save the Arctic Refuge!

2005-11-01 Thread John Adams, NRDC Action Fund

Dear NRDC BioGems Defender,

It's all come down to this.

The House of Representatives will vote as early as next week on a  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment..


On Nov 1, 2005, at 5:34 PM, Peter wrote:



 --- brahmachari108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 snip



 Reading your words and most others on their
 proclamations betrays the level of so called
 enlightenment.
 Do you think that if someone were truly enlightened,
 he would feel the need to tell
 others? What other exists in enlightenment?
 If enlightenment is egoless, then what drives this
 need?


 The incentive to act is the same in the enlightened as
 well as the unenlightened. Just that the unenlightened
 think that they do it. The enlightened know that
 nobody does anything. It just happens like the rising
 and setting of the sun. But this understanding is
 utterly useless for the dharma of waking state, that's
 for sure!

The enlightened know that?

Bumper sticker I'd like to see:

Narcissus loves me.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Ghosts calmed by TM


On Nov 1, 2005, at 4:12 PM, bbrigante wrote:

 The atmosphere in the Idanha has been a little calmer these days. The
 old hotel was bought by investors who have been practicing
 Transcendental Meditation on the sixth floor.

 We haven't felt its presence as much. The meditation and the drum
 playing seems to calm the ghost down, Dobson said.

 http://tinyurl.com/7d5f9

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ghosts calmed by TM

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Nov 1, 2005, at 4:12 PM, bbrigante wrote:
 
  The atmosphere in the Idanha has been a little calmer these 
days. The
  old hotel was bought by investors who have been practicing
  Transcendental Meditation on the sixth floor.
 
  We haven't felt its presence as much. The meditation and the 
drum
  playing seems to calm the ghost down, Dobson said.
 
  http://tinyurl.com/7d5f9
 
 Easy ojas...of course it calmed them. Don't you enjoy a nice 
meal? :-)

These stories of spirits influencing physical objects and/or making 
themselves known are commonplace. Has anyone come across an 
explanation for how this is possible?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Housing Market Continues Decline as Bubble Signs Rise

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 * US median home prices fell 5.7 percent 

When, over what period?

Home prices up 12.5% in year 
By Sue Kirchhoff, USA TODAY 
WASHINGTON  The average price of a U.S. home jumped 12.5% from the 
first quarter of 2004 to the first quarter of 2005  one of the 
heftiest increases in the past 25 years, the government said 
Wednesday. 

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/housing/2005-06-01-housing-
usat_x.htm?csp=36

If they were up 12.5 % nationwide in one year recently, whats the big 
deal about a small 6 % fluctuation over 6 months. Its normal. They are 
still a 7 or 8 % up on what they were 18 months ago. Thats a pretty 
good return on an investment.

Also, what about this. Is this likely to ever change?

Location! Location! Location! - Better Schools Mean Higher Property 
Values (USA Today), 
House Buyers are Willing to Pay for a Good Education, (The Wall 
Street Journal),
http://www.houseappreciation.com/main/aboutha.cfm

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Housing Market Continues Decline as Bubble Signs Rise

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
  * US median home prices fell 5.7 percent 
 
 When, over what period?
 
 Home prices up 12.5% in year 
 By Sue Kirchhoff, USA TODAY 
 WASHINGTON  The average price of a U.S. home jumped 12.5% from 
the 
 first quarter of 2004 to the first quarter of 2005  one of the 
 heftiest increases in the past 25 years, the government said 
 Wednesday. 
 
 http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/housing/2005-06-01-housing-
 usat_x.htm?csp=36
 
 If they were up 12.5 % nationwide in one year recently, whats the 
big 
 deal about a small 6 % fluctuation over 6 months. Its normal. They 
are 
 still a 7 or 8 % up on what they were 18 months ago. Thats a 
pretty 
 good return on an investment.
 
 Also, what about this. Is this likely to ever change?
 
 Location! Location! Location! - Better Schools Mean Higher 
Property 
 Values (USA Today), 
 House Buyers are Willing to Pay for a Good Education, (The Wall 
 Street Journal),
 http://www.houseappreciation.com/main/aboutha.cfm
 
 OffWorld

In my area (northern cal), prices continue to rise even in the face 
of a sluggish economy. The reasons are that only 16% of the local 
population can afford to live here, but everyone wants to, so there 
is constant pressure on the market. Also it attracts lots and lots 
of overseas investment because of the location. Even if housing 
prices dropped 30% which would be huge, they would still be way way 
above where they were just 6 or 7 years ago.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Are you part of a genetically engineered food experiment?

2005-11-01 Thread Alex Stanley

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Food for thought:
   
   http://www.thecampaign.org/krafted/index.html
  
  People should also be aware that Bocaburger is a division of Kraft.
 So, for those of you who think soybeans cooked in a factory at high
 temperature in hydrochloric acid are a health food, you might
 consider switching to a brand that has a more responsible corporate
 parent.
  
  Alex
 
 
 Alex
 Any recommendations?

Yeah: avoid soy protein isolate, texturized vegetable protein, etc. (the soy 
found in highly processed meat substitutes), and instead eat fermented/cultured 
soy products in small quantities. I.e., tempeh, miso, tamari, natto, and sufu. 
Tofu and edamame are also yummy on occasion, but they don't have the benefit of 
being made more digestible and less toxic by culturing.

There is quite a bit of controversy about soy. My personal opinion is that it 
isn't the virulent poison that some make it out to be, but it's also not the 
health food that the soy industry would have you believe it is. Hence, my 
suggestion of moderate consumption in the natural, traditional cultured forms.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Are you part of a genetically engineered food experiment?

2005-11-01 Thread bbrigante

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
   
Food for thought:

http://www.thecampaign.org/krafted/index.html
   
   People should also be aware that Bocaburger is a division of 
Kraft.
  So, for those of you who think soybeans cooked in a factory at 
high
  temperature in hydrochloric acid are a health food, you might
  consider switching to a brand that has a more responsible 
corporate
  parent.
   
   Alex
  
  
  Alex
  Any recommendations?
 
 Yeah: avoid soy protein isolate, texturized vegetable protein, 
etc. (the soy found in highly processed meat substitutes), and 
instead eat fermented/cultured soy products in small quantities. 
I.e., tempeh, miso, tamari, natto, and sufu. Tofu and edamame are 
also yummy on occasion, but they don't have the benefit of being 
made more digestible and less toxic by culturing.
 
 There is quite a bit of controversy about soy. My personal opinion 
is that it isn't the virulent poison that some make it out to be, 
but it's also not the health food that the soy industry would have 
you believe it is. Hence, my suggestion of moderate consumption in 
the natural, traditional cultured forms.
 
 Alex


*


I went to the link and saw the complaint that Kraft is using GMO 
food, but no mention of soybeans cooked in hydrochoric acid.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Introduction

2005-11-01 Thread Patrick Gillam

Comments interleaved below.

   An anonymous TM teacher wrote:
 
  the $2,500 
  course fee is infinitesimally small in comparison 
  to what you'll get from regular practice of
  Transcendental Meditation.  I tell you truthfully 
  that you can't begin to even imagine it!

Can't imagine what? How great TM is? I've been doing 
TM for 31 years, and I have no idea what this person 
is talking about. It's great and I love it, but it's not 
beyond imagining It's quiet, it's restful, there's some feeling
of love... seems to me that's wholly imaginable.

  And I tell 
  you truthfully that there is simply nothing
  else in this world that you can spend $2,500 to 
  learn that will bring you what this will.

If it's so great, why do so many people -- indeed, most 
people -- quit in their first year?

 --- off_world_beings wrote:

 Why doesn't he just tell her it is about $40 a month over 5 years, 
 or  about $20 a month over 10 years. 

Or why doesn't he tell her that if she quits after her first year, 
it'll only cost her $3.42 a meditation?

 She probably spends more than 
 that on cafe-lattes and Japanese dine outs each month. Some seeker.

Screw seeking. For $2,500, there damn well better be some finding, and fast.





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[FairfieldLife] Letter from Farrokh

Farrokh Anklesaria has been running the Enlightened Sentencing Project in
St. Louis from its inception. This is the program in which judges sentence
people to practice TM. A while back a conference was organized at MUM and
the judges were invited, but Bevan prevented Farrokh from attending. Judging
from the following letter, Farrokh decided to run this project independently
and it was Michael Dillbeck's responsibility to shut him down. This is
Farrokh's response:


Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:26:14 -0500
  To: Raja Michael Dillbeck
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  From: Farrokh  Ruffina Anklesaria
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Your activities

Dear Michael:

There are things enough in the movement to cause us all, and you,
consternation and dismay.  Our not being re-certified, as many thousands of
teachers, should not be one of them. We, like all the disenfranchised ex-TM
teachers, are not under your jurisdiction or anyone else's!  You and other
leaders should save your intimidation tactics and pontification for your
handful of re-certified teachers.

We have no interest in having our research published in the movement's
volume of scientific research.  Don't delude yourself into thinking that we
want to be in the in crowd.   (In, of course, refers to the in-sane
crowd who wish to be certified accordingly!) You guys have never appreciated
our work here with the 15 judges and what it means in terms of reversal of
the NJ court cases. Our consternation and surprise at the behavior of the
movement's leadership is amplified by the many thousands of ex-TM teachers
around the world whose TM centers are all closed as the movement tries to
rebuild the entire world and to face every building eastwards!  The movement
can't run one small university (MUM enjoys one of the lowest ranks in the
US) or its own small movement (more TM teachers are now OUT of the movement
than in), but it wants to rule the world!  Fat chance!

Don't come knocking on our door when the movement needs legal support, as
they did in the NC property case (Steve Rubin had us send all our tapes and
endorsements to the movement's lawyers) and when Richard Beall tried to
establish his charter school in NC. And don't come asking for endorsements
from the judges either.  The movement's leadership has entirely overlooked
the hard work done by the judges, especially Judge Mason, against a hostile
press, the ACLU and a judicial commission investigating him, for his
involvement in TM. Small and petty thinking is the order of the day instead
by Messrs. Bevan, John and company.

We are quite happy with our work and don't need pompous rajas lording it
over us.  You and your cohorts should not bother to call us unless you have
been specifically instructed by Maharishiji to do so.

And by the way, we know very well that you KNEW we were not re-certified.
Your assertion that you didn't was downright dishonest!

And Michael, don't delude yourself into believing that too many people are
paying you guys attention.  You all put on a good show for entertainment -
capes, crowns, gowns, limos, bagpipes and all -  but that's about all.   The
amazing sycophancy of the remaining few makes it all dull and predictable.
Whoever cares to watch is being entertained, but the volume is turned off!
Because frankly, who needs this sort of thing?  The days of lording it over
people are over.  The days of monarchs long past.  Wake up guys!  Hiding
behind the Master won't last forever.

Good luck!

PS:  We have heard from various sources of the desire of the TM movement to
confront us legally.  Fools rush in where angels fear to tread.  Please be
advised that the judges associated with TESP have secured for us a legal
representative, in the event that the TM movement feels the need to address
us legally.  TESP teaches  Transcendental Stress Management  or  TSM.
We do not teach Transcendental Meditation or TM.

Farrokh  Ruffina Anklesaria
  The Enlightened Sentencing Project (TESP)
  Administrative Office
  202 Tiffin Ave
  Ferguson, MO 63135
Visit our website at www.tesp.org
Tel: 314 521




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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Introduction

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Comments interleaved below.
 
An anonymous TM teacher wrote:
  
   the $2,500 
   course fee is infinitesimally small in comparison 
   to what you'll get from regular practice of
   Transcendental Meditation.  I tell you truthfully 
   that you can't begin to even imagine it!
 
 Can't imagine what? How great TM is? I've been doing 
 TM for 31 years, and I have no idea what this person 
 is talking about. It's great and I love it, but it's not 
 beyond imagining It's quiet, it's restful, there's some feeling
 of love... seems to me that's wholly imaginable.
 
   And I tell 
   you truthfully that there is simply nothing
   else in this world that you can spend $2,500 to 
   learn that will bring you what this will.
 
 If it's so great, why do so many people -- indeed, most 
 people -- quit in their first year?
 
  --- off_world_beings wrote:
 
  Why doesn't he just tell her it is about $40 a month over 5 
years, 
  or  about $20 a month over 10 years. 
 
 Or why doesn't he tell her that if she quits after her first year, 
 it'll only cost her $3.42 a meditation?
 
  She probably spends more than 
  that on cafe-lattes and Japanese dine outs each month. Some 
seeker.
 
 Screw seeking. For $2,500, there damn well better be some finding, 
and fast.

It is only a mere 1,400 British pounds. Whats all the fuss about?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Farrokh Anklesaria has been running the Enlightened Sentencing 
Project in
 St. Louis from its inception. This is the program in which judges 
sentence
 people to practice TM. A while back a conference was organized at 
MUM and
 the judges were invited, but Bevan prevented Farrokh from 
attending. Judging
 from the following letter, Farrokh decided to run this project 
independently
 and it was Michael Dillbeck's responsibility to shut him down. 
This is
 Farrokh's response:
 
 
 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:26:14 -0500
   To: Raja Michael Dillbeck
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   From: Farrokh  Ruffina Anklesaria
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: Your activities
 
 Dear Michael:
 
 There are things enough in the movement to cause us all, and you,
 consternation and dismay.  Our not being re-certified, as many 
thousands of
 teachers, should not be one of them. We, like all the 
disenfranchised ex-TM
 teachers, are not under your jurisdiction or anyone else's!  You 
and other
 leaders should save your intimidation tactics and pontification 
for your
 handful of re-certified teachers.
 
 We have no interest in having our research published in the 
movement's
 volume of scientific research.  Don't delude yourself into 
thinking that we
 want to be in the in crowd.   (In, of course, refers to 
the in-sane
 crowd who wish to be certified accordingly!) You guys have never 
appreciated
 our work here with the 15 judges and what it means in terms of 
reversal of
 the NJ court cases. Our consternation and surprise at the behavior 
of the
 movement's leadership is amplified by the many thousands of ex-TM 
teachers
 around the world whose TM centers are all closed as the movement 
tries to
 rebuild the entire world and to face every building eastwards!  
The movement
 can't run one small university (MUM enjoys one of the lowest ranks 
in the
 US) or its own small movement (more TM teachers are now OUT of the 
movement
 than in), but it wants to rule the world!  Fat chance!
 
 Don't come knocking on our door when the movement needs legal 
support, as
 they did in the NC property case (Steve Rubin had us send all our 
tapes and
 endorsements to the movement's lawyers) and when Richard Beall 
tried to
 establish his charter school in NC. And don't come asking for 
endorsements
 from the judges either.  The movement's leadership has entirely 
overlooked
 the hard work done by the judges, especially Judge Mason, against 
a hostile
 press, the ACLU and a judicial commission investigating him, for 
his
 involvement in TM. Small and petty thinking is the order of the 
day instead
 by Messrs. Bevan, John and company.
 
 We are quite happy with our work and don't need pompous rajas 
lording it
 over us.  You and your cohorts should not bother to call us unless 
you have
 been specifically instructed by Maharishiji to do so.
 
 And by the way, we know very well that you KNEW we were not re-
certified.
 Your assertion that you didn't was downright dishonest!
 
 And Michael, don't delude yourself into believing that too many 
people are
 paying you guys attention.  You all put on a good show for 
entertainment -
 capes, crowns, gowns, limos, bagpipes and all -  but that's about 
all.   The
 amazing sycophancy of the remaining few makes it all dull and 
predictable.
 Whoever cares to watch is being entertained, but the volume is 
turned off!
 Because frankly, who needs this sort of thing?  The days of 
lording it over
 people are over.  The days of monarchs long past.  Wake up guys!  
Hiding
 behind the Master won't last forever.
 
 Good luck!
 
 PS:  We have heard from various sources of the desire of the TM 
movement to
 confront us legally.  Fools rush in where angels fear to tread.  
Please be
 advised that the judges associated with TESP have secured for us a 
legal
 representative, in the event that the TM movement feels the need 
to address
 us legally.  TESP teaches  Transcendental Stress Management  
or  TSM.
 We do not teach Transcendental Meditation or TM.
 
 Farrokh  Ruffina Anklesaria
   The Enlightened Sentencing Project (TESP)
   Administrative Office
   202 Tiffin Ave
   Ferguson, MO 63135
 Visit our website at www.tesp.org
 Tel: 314 521



ROCK ON FARROKH !
I'M WITH YOU !  ! !
I always admired your work and wished I could have done more to 
help. I will do so if I get a chance.
Exemplary work. Some of the best ever done in the TM - Movement 
(despite years of neglect by MUM and TM movement...disgrace).

BACK OFF RAJAS ! ! !


OffWorld





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[FairfieldLife] Re: US Constitution

2005-11-01 Thread lurkernomore20002000

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  
 ShempMcGurk, I think Alvin Toffler is more accurate.  He says 
the constitutions and Politico-systems are Obsolete.
  
Back in the 10th grade or so, I remember reading Future Shock and 
being blown away by it.  I can't recall the basic predictions made.  
30 plus years later, how accurate was he?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  I beg your pardon?  When did I ever suggest I was
  enlightened?
 
 
 Then why so adamant about your position on the topic?

The topic of how difficult it is to discuss
enlightenment in relative terms, you mean?

One doesn't have to be enlightened to have a
sense of where the intellect leaves off and
what it can't do.
   
   ***
   No. The topic of what enlightenment is. It's attributes. For 
  example 
   (only), whether or not the enlightened brahmin sees differences 
   between a brahmin, a cow, etc.
  
  Jeez.  That was me *quoting Maharishi*.
  
  I don't have to be enlightened to quote MMY,
  do I?
 
 ***
 Not at all. Not really meaning to get on your case. You did a good 
 job of quoting MMY.
 
 And not to pick on you in particular. I just get a sense sometimes 
 when reading threads such as this one that some people are living 
 too much in their conceptual worlds about what enlightenment is 
 supposed to be about based on formulaic expressions coming from a 
 variety of sources, be they MMY or Buddhist teachings or what not.

If that's your point, it's a bit odd that you were
including me at all, since I was arguing that the
intellect cannot grasp what enlightenment is.

I've said here and on alt.m.t a number of times that
when you take any of MMY's teachings, or any authentic
intellectual teaching about consciousness, and take
it right down to the nitty-gritty, you end up in
contradiction or infinite regress, which is what
Self-reference looks like to the mistaken intellect.

I quoted MMY as an example of that.

And yes, what I just expressed is a concept, but
it's a concept about the nature of the limits of
the intellect, not about enlightenment per se.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Letter from Farrokh

Rick, do you know why Bevan stopped Judge Anklesaria
from coming to the conference? I wonder what the
stated reason was.

--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Farrokh Anklesaria has been running the Enlightened
 Sentencing Project in
 St. Louis from its inception. This is the program in
 which judges sentence
 people to practice TM. A while back a conference was
 organized at MUM and
 the judges were invited, but Bevan prevented Farrokh
 from attending. Judging
 from the following letter, Farrokh decided to run
 this project independently
 and it was Michael Dillbeck's responsibility to shut
 him down. This is
 Farrokh's response:
 
 
 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:26:14 -0500
   To: Raja Michael Dillbeck
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   From: Farrokh  Ruffina Anklesaria
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: Your activities
 
 Dear Michael:
 
 There are things enough in the movement to cause us
 all, and you,
 consternation and dismay.  Our not being
 re-certified, as many thousands of
 teachers, should not be one of them. We, like all
 the disenfranchised ex-TM
 teachers, are not under your jurisdiction or anyone
 else's!  You and other
 leaders should save your intimidation tactics and
 pontification for your
 handful of re-certified teachers.
 
 We have no interest in having our research published
 in the movement's
 volume of scientific research.  Don't delude
 yourself into thinking that we
 want to be in the in crowd.   (In, of course,
 refers to the in-sane
 crowd who wish to be certified accordingly!) You
 guys have never appreciated
 our work here with the 15 judges and what it means
 in terms of reversal of
 the NJ court cases. Our consternation and surprise
 at the behavior of the
 movement's leadership is amplified by the many
 thousands of ex-TM teachers
 around the world whose TM centers are all closed as
 the movement tries to
 rebuild the entire world and to face every building
 eastwards!  The movement
 can't run one small university (MUM enjoys one of
 the lowest ranks in the
 US) or its own small movement (more TM teachers are
 now OUT of the movement
 than in), but it wants to rule the world!  Fat
 chance!
 
 Don't come knocking on our door when the movement
 needs legal support, as
 they did in the NC property case (Steve Rubin had us
 send all our tapes and
 endorsements to the movement's lawyers) and when
 Richard Beall tried to
 establish his charter school in NC. And don't come
 asking for endorsements
 from the judges either.  The movement's leadership
 has entirely overlooked
 the hard work done by the judges, especially Judge
 Mason, against a hostile
 press, the ACLU and a judicial commission
 investigating him, for his
 involvement in TM. Small and petty thinking is the
 order of the day instead
 by Messrs. Bevan, John and company.
 
 We are quite happy with our work and don't need
 pompous rajas lording it
 over us.  You and your cohorts should not bother to
 call us unless you have
 been specifically instructed by Maharishiji to do
 so.
 
 And by the way, we know very well that you KNEW we
 were not re-certified.
 Your assertion that you didn't was downright
 dishonest!
 
 And Michael, don't delude yourself into believing
 that too many people are
 paying you guys attention.  You all put on a good
 show for entertainment -
 capes, crowns, gowns, limos, bagpipes and all -  but
 that's about all.   The
 amazing sycophancy of the remaining few makes it all
 dull and predictable.
 Whoever cares to watch is being entertained, but the
 volume is turned off!
 Because frankly, who needs this sort of thing?  The
 days of lording it over
 people are over.  The days of monarchs long past. 
 Wake up guys!  Hiding
 behind the Master won't last forever.
 
 Good luck!
 
 PS:  We have heard from various sources of the
 desire of the TM movement to
 confront us legally.  Fools rush in where angels
 fear to tread.  Please be
 advised that the judges associated with TESP have
 secured for us a legal
 representative, in the event that the TM movement
 feels the need to address
 us legally.  TESP teaches  Transcendental Stress
 Management  or  TSM.
 We do not teach Transcendental Meditation or TM.
 
 Farrokh  Ruffina Anklesaria
   The Enlightened Sentencing Project (TESP)
   Administrative Office
   202 Tiffin Ave
   Ferguson, MO 63135
 Visit our website at www.tesp.org
 Tel: 314 521
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh

2005-11-01 Thread bbrigante

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Rick, do you know why Bevan stopped Judge Anklesaria
 from coming to the conference? I wonder what the
 stated reason was.
 




Farrokh Anklesaria is not a judge -- he was a British lawyer:


http://fairfield.freehosting.net/96-97winter/judge.html

Maybe Farrokh would be willing to say what Bevan said to him:

http://www.enlightenedsentencing.org/contact-us.htm

My guess is that Farrokh went independent in teaching TM a couple 
years ago because of the price increases, so not being invited to 
the conference was not the last straw, but just an acknowledgement 
by the TMO that the break was final, since FA had already started a 
TM spinoff.

Bob 
http://geocities.com/bbrigante


 --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  Farrokh Anklesaria has been running the Enlightened
  Sentencing Project in
  St. Louis from its inception. This is the program in
  which judges sentence
  people to practice TM. A while back a conference was
  organized at MUM and
  the judges were invited, but Bevan prevented Farrokh
  from attending. Judging
  from the following letter, Farrokh decided to run
  this project independently
  and it was Michael Dillbeck's responsibility to shut
  him down. This is
  Farrokh's response:
  
  
  Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:26:14 -0500
To: Raja Michael Dillbeck
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Farrokh  Ruffina Anklesaria
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Your activities
  
  Dear Michael:
  
  There are things enough in the movement to cause us
  all, and you,
  consternation and dismay.  Our not being
  re-certified, as many thousands of
  teachers, should not be one of them. We, like all
  the disenfranchised ex-TM
  teachers, are not under your jurisdiction or anyone
  else's!  You and other
  leaders should save your intimidation tactics and
  pontification for your
  handful of re-certified teachers.
  
  We have no interest in having our research published
  in the movement's
  volume of scientific research.  Don't delude
  yourself into thinking that we
  want to be in the in crowd.   (In, of course,
  refers to the in-sane
  crowd who wish to be certified accordingly!) You
  guys have never appreciated
  our work here with the 15 judges and what it means
  in terms of reversal of
  the NJ court cases. Our consternation and surprise
  at the behavior of the
  movement's leadership is amplified by the many
  thousands of ex-TM teachers
  around the world whose TM centers are all closed as
  the movement tries to
  rebuild the entire world and to face every building
  eastwards!  The movement
  can't run one small university (MUM enjoys one of
  the lowest ranks in the
  US) or its own small movement (more TM teachers are
  now OUT of the movement
  than in), but it wants to rule the world!  Fat
  chance!
  
  Don't come knocking on our door when the movement
  needs legal support, as
  they did in the NC property case (Steve Rubin had us
  send all our tapes and
  endorsements to the movement's lawyers) and when
  Richard Beall tried to
  establish his charter school in NC. And don't come
  asking for endorsements
  from the judges either.  The movement's leadership
  has entirely overlooked
  the hard work done by the judges, especially Judge
  Mason, against a hostile
  press, the ACLU and a judicial commission
  investigating him, for his
  involvement in TM. Small and petty thinking is the
  order of the day instead
  by Messrs. Bevan, John and company.
  
  We are quite happy with our work and don't need
  pompous rajas lording it
  over us.  You and your cohorts should not bother to
  call us unless you have
  been specifically instructed by Maharishiji to do
  so.
  
  And by the way, we know very well that you KNEW we
  were not re-certified.
  Your assertion that you didn't was downright
  dishonest!
  
  And Michael, don't delude yourself into believing
  that too many people are
  paying you guys attention.  You all put on a good
  show for entertainment -
  capes, crowns, gowns, limos, bagpipes and all -  but
  that's about all.   The
  amazing sycophancy of the remaining few makes it all
  dull and predictable.
  Whoever cares to watch is being entertained, but the
  volume is turned off!
  Because frankly, who needs this sort of thing?  The
  days of lording it over
  people are over.  The days of monarchs long past. 
  Wake up guys!  Hiding
  behind the Master won't last forever.
  
  Good luck!
  
  PS:  We have heard from various sources of the
  desire of the TM movement to
  confront us legally.  Fools rush in where angels
  fear to tread.  Please be
  advised that the judges associated with TESP have
  secured for us a legal
  representative, in the event that the TM movement
  feels the need to address
  us legally.  TESP teaches  Transcendental Stress
  Management  or  TSM.
  We do not teach Transcendental Meditation or TM.
  
  Farrokh  Ruffina Anklesaria
The

[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Farrokh Anklesaria has been running the Enlightened Sentencing 
Project in
 St. Louis from its inception. This is the program in which judges 
sentence
 people to practice TM. A while back a conference was organized at 
MUM and
 the judges were invited, but Bevan prevented Farrokh from 
attending. Judging
 from the following letter, Farrokh decided to run this project 
independently
 and it was Michael Dillbeck's responsibility to shut him down. 
This is
 Farrokh's response:
snip

Great letter! I just sent Farrokh an email of appreciation and 
thanks for his clarity and telling the truth. Good for him! Dillbeck 
sounds like a bozo.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Letter from Farrokh

on 11/1/05 10:51 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Rick, do you know why Bevan stopped Judge Anklesaria
 from coming to the conference? I wonder what the
 stated reason was.

Farrokh is not a judge. He is a lawyer and a TM teacher. LB is the one who
told me the Conference/Bevan story. Maybe he can answer the question. Here
is Farrokh's web site: http://www.enlightenedsentencing.org/




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Ghosts calmed by TM

2005-11-01 Thread Bhairitu

bbrigante wrote:

The atmosphere in the Idanha has been a little calmer these days. The 
old hotel was bought by investors who have been practicing 
Transcendental Meditation on the sixth floor.

We haven't felt its presence as much. The meditation and the drum 
playing seems to calm the ghost down, Dobson said.

http://tinyurl.com/7d5f9


  

They should help the ghosts move on.There are simple rituals to do 
so.  Unfortunately MMY never taught those things (and I can't believe he 
doesn't know them).



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ghosts calmed by TM

2005-11-01 Thread Bhairitu

jim_flanegin wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

On Nov 1, 2005, at 4:12 PM, bbrigante wrote:



The atmosphere in the Idanha has been a little calmer these 
  

days. The
  

old hotel was bought by investors who have been practicing
Transcendental Meditation on the sixth floor.

We haven't felt its presence as much. The meditation and the 
  

drum
  

playing seems to calm the ghost down, Dobson said.

http://tinyurl.com/7d5f9
  

Easy ojas...of course it calmed them. Don't you enjoy a nice 


meal? :-)
  

These stories of spirits influencing physical objects and/or making 
themselves known are commonplace. Has anyone come across an 
explanation for how this is possible?


  

It's their subtle bodies.  People who die unnatural deaths are often 
trapped between this and the next world.  But don't expect the ignorant 
to finance research into it anytime soon.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: US Constitution

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
   
 
  Here is a speech and Link,
 
http://www.fuckthesouth.com
 
---OriginalMessage--
From: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]   
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:31:41 -0600 
Subject: [FairfieldLife] US Constitution 

  Another question from a friend:

  a few years ago Hagelin gave a commencement speech at 
 MSAE 
   about how corrupt the u.s. constitution is - do you or anyone 
   remember that speech?
 
   Wow! Hagelin needs to drink more vata tea! ;)
  
  It's hard to imagine how the Constitution could
  be portrayed as corrupt, since it's just a piece
  of paper.  I wonder if he might have been saying
  the U.S. *Congress* was corrupt, and Rick's friend
  just got the C-words confused.
 
 
 I suspect Hagelin would have been directly referring to the U.S. 
 Constitution, Judy.  And the reason is because it would have been 
in 
 the context of what MMY was talking about at that time, which was 
 constitutions of man and nature. That, coupled with the fact that 
 the U.S. is deemed as corrupt in all shapes and forms by MMY, and 
 one could see how Hagelin very well could have referred to the U.S. 
 Constitution in such a manner.
 
 Of course, I agree with you that it's hard to see how the U.S. 
 Constitution could be portrayed as corrupt.
 


All such documents would be corrupt in comparison to 
the Constitution of the Universe...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Hey, Ron, Do me a favor

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
  I tend to agree with Rama that it is actually
  *easier* for a woman to realize enlightenment
  than it is for a man.  It's not a value judge-
  ment; it's an energetic thing.  But it doesn't
  seem to happen as often as it should, and I 
  personally think that one of the reasons is the
  encapusaltion of sexual bigotry into religion.
  If a society that is run by men wants to *keep*
  being run by men, how do you pull that off?
  Easy.  You just make the superiority of men and
  the subservience of the women a part of the
  dogma of the prevalent religion.  Look at the 
  Catholic Church.  Look at India.
  
 
 
 Islam should be added in your list as the number one of religions 
that
 have made the subservience of the women a dogma to keep men in their
 position of superiority and control over women. I think largely the 
 problems of violent fanaticism is due to the subordinate position of
 women. That kind of women cannot raise healthy children, who can 
adopt
 in adulthood independent clear moral reasoning and who have no need 
to
 subjugate others to feel good about themselves.
 
 I just read in a magazine an interview of dr.Salman Asif. He was 
born
 in Pakistan and is working as a consultant in Britain in the 
Ministry
 of the Interior on non-violent crisis resolution.
 The article dealt with honour realated violence that is prevalent in
 Islam cultures.
 In the article he brings out many oddities (to me terrible features)
 in the moral reasoning related to women in Pakistan. For example a
 raped woman has to bring to court as witness four men or eight 
women.
 If she cannot, she will be put in prison. 70% of the prisoners in
 Pakistan are raped women!
 I felt myself sick and nauseous after reading the article.
 
 Irmeli


An interesting bit of trivia is that some in the Northern Alliance 
(our allies against the Taliban) were worse in their treatment of 
women than the Taliban, who were moderates in their treatment of 
women compared to some in Pakistan and Afghanistan -- many in the 
Northern Alliance are of the same tribal background as the worst 
offenders in Pakistan.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Hey, Ron, Do me a favor

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wrote:

  
  
  
   What I heard from many learned people is that, Asian men are very 
insecure and have many inferiority complexes.  They are afraid of the 
woman's sexual power and so they try to subjugate them as economic 
slaves.
  

Western men are much the same. We just have less obvious (to us) ways 
of denigrating women. Of course, women indulge in much the same 
behavior in more subtle ways, when dealing with men.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver 
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 snip
  Looking back, at this point I do not remember whether the subtle
  blood chemistry argument was based on metastudies.
 
 I dug this up from an old post (March 200) of
 mine on  alt.meditation.transcendental; I no
 longer recall where I got the Wallace quote, but
 I think it may be about the subtle blood
 chemistry you're referring to:
 
 Wallace writes of the Kesterton study, referring to the finding 
 of many TM studies and also of Kesterton's study of periods of 
 spontaneous breath suspension: 
 
Recent studies have extended these results and more carefully 
analyzed the neurophysiological control of respiratory patterns 
during the TM technique.  These studies show both a decreased 
sensitivity to increased levels of carbon dioxide added to the 
air inhaled during meditation and an increased sensitivity to 
low 
levels of oxygen.  This suggests an even more refined pattern of 
physiological functioning, indicating that there are specific 
alterations in centers within the brain that are involved with 
monitoring both carbon dioxide and oxygen levels. 
 
 In other words, Wallace's early findings may not have been 
 accurate, but more detailed analysis shows even more interesting 
 and complex changes than those he initially reported.


It may be true, and it also may be taken as a way of trying to spin 
the truth. My own take: the TMO researchers will say almost anything 
in non-scientific journals, but they're more careful in what they say 
when they formally publish. They are even more careful in what they 
ask non-TM resarchers to help them investigate.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Are you part of a genetically engineered food experiment?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tazarmfune [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
   
Food for thought:

http://www.thecampaign.org/krafted/index.html
   
   People should also be aware that Bocaburger is a division of 
Kraft.
 
 
 
 And Unilever owns Ben  Jerry's.
 
 
 Best bet is to READ the ingredients.
 If it does not say ORGANIC, it ain't.


There was a recent proposal to pass a federal law to allow organic 
to include additives of a certain kind. Anyone know if this went 
through?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Nov 1, 2005, at 3:38 PM, brahmachari108 wrote:
 
  Notions of CC, GC, UC are inventions of Mahesh Yogi.
  Where in Veda are these mentioned?
  What is above or below in the state of Turiya?
 
 
 CC = samkhya and yoga
 GC = mimamsa and Vaishnava devotionalism.
 UC = Badarayana sutras
 
 and numerous other places. Definitive work on CC and UC is  
 jivanmuktiviveka of Shankaracharya Vidyaranya.
 
 Mahesh weaned his take on these from reading the various 
commentaries  
 of the Badaraynana sutras, esp. favoring Shankara's 
bhasya/comments/POV.


Sez me old friend, Sanskrit and Vedic music scholar, Anoop 
Chandola, no-one can listen to him [MMY] without realizing that he 
is obviously speaking from personal experience...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Introduction

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wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   *Subject:* TM Introduction

Dr. Director of the TM Peace Palace Project:
 [BIG SNIP] 
  
  Why doesn't he just tell her it is about $40 a month over 5 
years, 
  or  about $20 a month over 10 years. She probably spends more 
than 
  that on cafe-lattes and Japanese dine outs each month. Some 
seeker.
  When I was a seeker I was ready to give up everything at great 
 risk 
  to myself and to my future finance, and go to India with nothing. 
  Those were the days of the true seekers. Now everyone wants it 
for 
  the price of a Cafe-Grande.
  Sad days indeed.
  
  OffWorld
 
 
 On the other hand, does the world really need the peace palaces?


Vastu outside to help establish vastu inside?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Introduction

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  
  
  On the other hand, does the world really need the
  peace palaces?
 
 I think the peace palaces will go the way of the
 pundits. A lot of show but no go. They'll be used to
 raise money for MMY's nephews. I think they need a new
 palace themselves, don't they? Poor tykes!
 


Just how well do MMY's nephews live?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Introduction

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
*Subject:* TM Introduction
 
 Dr. Director of the TM Peace Palace Project:
  [BIG SNIP] 
   
   Why doesn't he just tell her it is about $40 a month over 5 
 years, 
   or  about $20 a month over 10 years. She probably spends more 
 than 
   that on cafe-lattes and Japanese dine outs each month. Some 
 seeker.
   When I was a seeker I was ready to give up everything at great 
  risk 
   to myself and to my future finance, and go to India with 
 nothing. 
   Those were the days of the true seekers. Now everyone wants it 
 for 
   the price of a Cafe-Grande.
   Sad days indeed.
   
   OffWorld
  
  
  On the other hand, does the world really need the peace palaces?
 
 Can't hurt. Eliminate a few weapons systems and there they are. 
 Where there's a will, there's a way...Perhaps there is no will.


No Way.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ghosts calmed by TM

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  On Nov 1, 2005, at 4:12 PM, bbrigante wrote:
  
   The atmosphere in the Idanha has been a little calmer these 
 days. The
   old hotel was bought by investors who have been practicing
   Transcendental Meditation on the sixth floor.
  
   We haven't felt its presence as much. The meditation and the 
 drum
   playing seems to calm the ghost down, Dobson said.
  
   http://tinyurl.com/7d5f9
  
  Easy ojas...of course it calmed them. Don't you enjoy a nice 
 meal? :-)
 
 These stories of spirits influencing physical objects and/or making 
 themselves known are commonplace. Has anyone come across an 
 explanation for how this is possible?


Schizophrenia?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh

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 Farrokh Anklesaria has been running the Enlightened Sentencing 
Project in
 St. Louis from its inception. This is the program in which judges 
sentence
 people to practice TM. A while back a conference was organized at 
MUM and
 the judges were invited, but Bevan prevented Farrokh from 
attending. Judging
 from the following letter, Farrokh decided to run this project 
independently
 and it was Michael Dillbeck's responsibility to shut him down. This 
is
 Farrokh's response:
 
 
 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:26:14 -0500
   To: Raja Michael Dillbeck
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   From: Farrokh  Ruffina Anklesaria
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: Your activities

How very sad. Forrokh was the guy in charge of the Senegal Prison 
Project. Very competent person. I wonder if anyone has dared inform 
MMY of his response...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Farrokh Anklesaria has been running the Enlightened Sentencing 
 Project in
  St. Louis from its inception. This is the program in which judges 
 sentence
  people to practice TM. A while back a conference was organized at 
 MUM and
  the judges were invited, but Bevan prevented Farrokh from 
 attending. Judging
  from the following letter, Farrokh decided to run this project 
 independently
  and it was Michael Dillbeck's responsibility to shut him down. 
 This is
  Farrokh's response:
 snip
 
 Great letter! I just sent Farrokh an email of appreciation and 
 thanks for his clarity and telling the truth. Good for him! 
Dillbeck 
 sounds like a bozo.


MMY has said something that Dillbeck interprets a certain way. 
Farrokh refuses to go along with what MMY has said. The REAL issue 
is: is Dillbeck right about what MMY has said or is Farrokh doing the 
right thing?

Or can they both somehow be right?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh