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[FairfieldLife] Repost attempt #2

[Ron]

Hello group,

The first 2 posts didnt come out right so here goes third attempt:

Post 1:

__Om Namo Narayana - __* My SatGuru is one in physical form, yet I
have had no direct teachings. All have been in astral levels only.__G
any teachings that come solely through astral realms are suspect. __*
I do not have any direct Guru.

 __G this is unfortunate -

 __* Time to time I have had the needed trainings needed on my path.
And the growth has been much to my own satisfaction and phenomenal in
the eyes of many others. But the path is different than Tantra.

 __G what is the path ? 

__* While all in all any spiritual path is ultimately relating to
tantra, yet there are different pathways. I am sure you would
understand what I am conveying. __

G All paths Yes lead ultimately to the ONE Indivisible Truth of Being.
Yet the _methodologies are vastly different on how to reach this end.
__* Unfortunately I cannot disclose my satguru's identity because have
been advised to refrain from doing such in the very initial stage of
these astral transferences way back in 1997.

__G i would Never ever promote that all teachings come within the
realm of _Astral - as in Astral realm maybe what is given is correct -
maybe what comes _through is tinged with ego leanings - maybe what
comes is being masqueraded _and comes through another entity. This is
also a probability.  There is _very little stability with anything
Astrally connected. Parabrahman is BEYOND_all astral nonsense. So why
is the focal point within the realm of unending _phenomena ?

 __* With the grace flowing such, I have moved. Since almost a year
now, I have been a victim of Kali Tantra (in conjunction with the
energies of Rahu, Ketu, Shani and Mangal).

__G what are you terming being a victim of Kali Tantra ? As far as the
conjunction _of energies these only hold sway when one is within a
mental fixation about them. _The Light beyond lights is ALWAYS PURE
and the shadows are only flotsum of _reflected shadows. --- they have
no substance other than what you yourself _are attributing them to have.

 __* I dont mean any offence here to path of tantra which in my own
opinion is a sacred path.

 __G there is Tantra - and then there is an abusive aberation which i
do not term _tantra at all but rather black arts. --- black arts is
wrongly termed *tantra*. Just _as Occult is not Knowledge. Knowledge
is having gone beyond all such phenomena.

 __* But you would surely know that there are other sides of this
vidya also. I know the people also doing it. They have been caught
redhanded and there is documentary evidence also for the same. 

__G ok - and ? Why are you being held by fear ? 

__* Unfortunately or as destined, whatever, they are my own students
and trained in the same art that I practise.

 __G really ? so why did you teach your students such a thing ? or did
they get their _knowledge from Astral realm beings ? such is my
constraint on such things. _Only in ONE to ONE communication with Sat
Guru to Sadhaka in the form of face _to face teaching and guidance is
Reliable. 

__* I take this also as a state of Shakti Parikshan for myself.

 __G there is examination and then Examination. My questioning is why
_a secrecy concerning a Sat Guru - these are not the actions of a Sat
Guru to _require secrecy concerning their name. There is something
very suspect in _this.

 __* A lot has been happenning since and there is undercover himsa
that is affecting many people right from small children to old people.
And there is regular suffering for many at physical, emotional, mental
levels in this spiritual evolution thrown across at them without their
wish or will through a use of force.__G what do you mean by this ? 

__* I have tried out all means for settlement. 

__G settlement in what way ? What needs to be settled ?

 __* The group involved is itself not really knowing what is wished
for. They seem to have just one thing in mind. That I should surrender
to them bowing on my feet, and then they would be the ones to uplift
me in worldly realms of things, and see to it that I become a kind of
star. They claim to be having such instruction from the same astral
source. And to me this is catastrophy.__

G there is no good thing there - This is NOT the way of a Spiritual
Teacher - _one is not a Sat Guru UNTIL one has gone Beyond all such
drama's. A Sat Guru _would not for one instant put up with any of this
drama. So my questioning _is - that perhaps your Guru is not in fact a
Sat Guru (completed) but rather _something else. __in order to fully
advise i need a transparent disclosure. __But what you are describing
has all the earmarks of a cultic persuation. _One that has gone off
the mark and is not headed towards the Liberation _of a Surrender to
that Light beyond lights. But rather a fear based and greed _based
dynamic and what has this to do with Realization and becoming free _of
the egoic mind drama ? __Understand that Kali brings tough experience
but it is with an 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Demoralization of America'

[Robert Gimbel]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  Forgot to add: Via Ilkka Kokkarinen, a 1984 interview with Soviet 
 defector Yuri Bezmenov, formerly of the KGB...
In the interview he mocks Maharishi and his followers, calling them 
fools- gives insight to the Soviet mentality, that still prevails 
today... 
 
  http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=915448763957391352
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I raised the point, partly, from the memory of speaking absolutely
 confidently, definitively, authoritatively about things like Chrst,
 drawing from my memorized (TMO) catechism, Christ never suffered,
 Christ's main message was that the kingdom of heaven is within. 
 etc. It was SO logical, it HAD to be true. So I / we spoke it as 
 if it was an established fact.

That's really the issue, the thing that is so shocking
about someone repeating the catechism of Maharishi is 
responsible for every good thing I see in the world or
Maharishi is perfect and can do no wrong or even TM
is the best technique of meditation in the world (even
though I've never tried another one).

There is no thought behind the statements, mere repetition
of what one has been taught to say, and think. Catechism.
And even more shocking, there is zero awareness in the 
person who is speaking that they get that they are saying 
things that 99% of the people on the planet would consider 
insane.

Imagine saying the things you mention above, New, in front
of a strong Christian. You'd have said them, as you say,
confidently, definitely and authoritatively, with no
hesitation, exactly *as* catechism. And the Christian would
have been looking at you as if you had just uttered heresy.

The reason I think it's good that such examples of cate-
chism are occasionally challenged and discussed here is 
that a few otherwise sane people really need to understand 
that if they said in public the things they say here, most
people would react to them the way that they themselves
react when Nablus and Lou speak just as confidently, 
definitely and authoritatively about UFOs and the 
Space Brothers. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: why not relinquish TM?

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, qntmpkt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --Right - getting zapped is pretty useless, unless you can take 
 it with you anytime, anyplace like TM. I got zapped by Muktananda 
 on many occasions. Didn't help much.

The point of the story I told below, and why the teacher 
in question left the room, was to make the point that you 
*can* take it with you. Everyone opened their eyes to 
realize that they'd been sitting in samadhi for over an 
hour *by themselves* with no outside assistance.

What is the conclusion that one might draw from that?

That one can get there on one's own. And, now, having 
had an extended experience of what samadhi is like, one
might be able to recognize it when it appears in one's 
own meditation, unlike those TMers who still say after 
ten or fifteen years, I don't know if I've ever 
transcended. (Don't bristle...I was a TM teacher...I've
heard that line spoken to me by hundreds of meditators.)

The zapping is not a goal in itself, although admittedly
there are people in the world stupid enough to consider it
one and to flit from teacher to teacher like a druggie
doing the rounds of the local dealers. 

Done properly, it's part of a larger method of instruction.
The first part is instruction in how to meditate oneself.
The next part is a vision of possibilities, being shown
what the established goal of this particular meditation 
(samadhi, the fully conscious thoughtless state) is *like*,
and the third part is one's daily meditation, as one works
at being able to realize the goal more often and for longer
periods of time.

Don't try to judge it by TM standards. Maharishi *can't*
offer step two, so he doesn't. What he does offer (step one)
may be of value and you may prefer it, but to compare the 
two methods is like comparing apples and oranges.


 - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams 
 willytex@ wrote:
 
  TurquoiseB wrote:
   I've been in rooms where the teacher just zapped
   everyone into samadhi and then got up and left,
   and it was over an hour before anyone in the
   room could open their eyes and figure out that
   he *had* left. :-)
  
  So, you got zapped by Fred the Zen Master. Was that 
  before or after reading Fred's book Surfing the 
  Himalayas? :-)
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Repost attempt #2

[Peter]

Very interesting exchange. This poor woman, not swami
g, seems to be caught in some real subtle mental traps
and very confused. I wish her the best.

--- Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello group,
 
 The first 2 posts didnt come out right so here goes
 third attempt:
 
 Post 1:
 
 __Om Namo Narayana - __* My SatGuru is one in
 physical form, yet I
 have had no direct teachings. All have been in
 astral levels only.__G
 any teachings that come solely through astral realms
 are suspect. __*
 I do not have any direct Guru.
 
  __G this is unfortunate -
 
  __* Time to time I have had the needed trainings
 needed on my path.
 And the growth has been much to my own satisfaction
 and phenomenal in
 the eyes of many others. But the path is different
 than Tantra.
 
  __G what is the path ? 
 
 __* While all in all any spiritual path is
 ultimately relating to
 tantra, yet there are different pathways. I am sure
 you would
 understand what I am conveying. __
 
 G All paths Yes lead ultimately to the ONE
 Indivisible Truth of Being.
 Yet the _methodologies are vastly different on how
 to reach this end.
 __* Unfortunately I cannot disclose my satguru's
 identity because have
 been advised to refrain from doing such in the very
 initial stage of
 these astral transferences way back in 1997.
 
 __G i would Never ever promote that all teachings
 come within the
 realm of _Astral - as in Astral realm maybe what is
 given is correct -
 maybe what comes _through is tinged with ego
 leanings - maybe what
 comes is being masqueraded _and comes through
 another entity. This is
 also a probability.  There is _very little
 stability with anything
 Astrally connected. Parabrahman is BEYOND_all astral
 nonsense. So why
 is the focal point within the realm of unending
 _phenomena ?
 
  __* With the grace flowing such, I have moved.
 Since almost a year
 now, I have been a victim of Kali Tantra (in
 conjunction with the
 energies of Rahu, Ketu, Shani and Mangal).
 
 __G what are you terming being a victim of Kali
 Tantra ? As far as the
 conjunction _of energies these only hold sway when
 one is within a
 mental fixation about them. _The Light beyond lights
 is ALWAYS PURE
 and the shadows are only flotsum of _reflected
 shadows. --- they have
 no substance other than what you yourself _are
 attributing them to have.
 
  __* I dont mean any offence here to path of tantra
 which in my own
 opinion is a sacred path.
 
  __G there is Tantra - and then there is an abusive
 aberation which i
 do not term _tantra at all but rather black arts.
 --- black arts is
 wrongly termed *tantra*. Just _as Occult is not
 Knowledge. Knowledge
 is having gone beyond all such phenomena.
 
  __* But you would surely know that there are other
 sides of this
 vidya also. I know the people also doing it. They
 have been caught
 redhanded and there is documentary evidence also for
 the same. 
 
 __G ok - and ? Why are you being held by fear ? 
 
 __* Unfortunately or as destined, whatever, they are
 my own students
 and trained in the same art that I practise.
 
  __G really ? so why did you teach your students
 such a thing ? or did
 they get their _knowledge from Astral realm beings ?
 such is my
 constraint on such things. _Only in ONE to ONE
 communication with Sat
 Guru to Sadhaka in the form of face _to face
 teaching and guidance is
 Reliable. 
 
 __* I take this also as a state of Shakti Parikshan
 for myself.
 
  __G there is examination and then Examination. My
 questioning is why
 _a secrecy concerning a Sat Guru - these are not the
 actions of a Sat
 Guru to _require secrecy concerning their name.
 There is something
 very suspect in _this.
 
  __* A lot has been happenning since and there is
 undercover himsa
 that is affecting many people right from small
 children to old people.
 And there is regular suffering for many at physical,
 emotional, mental
 levels in this spiritual evolution thrown across at
 them without their
 wish or will through a use of force.__G what do you
 mean by this ? 
 
 __* I have tried out all means for settlement. 
 
 __G settlement in what way ? What needs to be
 settled ?
 
  __* The group involved is itself not really knowing
 what is wished
 for. They seem to have just one thing in mind. That
 I should surrender
 to them bowing on my feet, and then they would be
 the ones to uplift
 me in worldly realms of things, and see to it that I
 become a kind of
 star. They claim to be having such instruction from
 the same astral
 source. And to me this is catastrophy.__
 
 G there is no good thing there - This is NOT the way
 of a Spiritual
 Teacher - _one is not a Sat Guru UNTIL one has gone
 Beyond all such
 drama's. A Sat Guru _would not for one instant put
 up with any of this
 drama. So my questioning _is - that perhaps your
 Guru is not in fact a
 Sat Guru (completed) but rather _something else.
 __in order to fully
 advise i need a transparent disclosure. __But what
 you are describing
 has all the 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Torture

[Peter]

THIS IS A BEHEADING VIDEO!!! DO NOT WATCH THIS THING
IT WILL MAKE YOU SICK. IT PROFOUNDLY TRAUMATIZES YOUR
MIND/BODY. STAY AWAY!! IT IS INTRINSICALLY EVIL. THE
PEOPLE WHO DO THESE THINGS ARE CONTROLLED BY POWERFUL
DEMONIC INFLUENCES, SOMETHING YOU DON'T WANT TO SCREW
AROUND WITH!! 

--- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This post is for those that are under the impression
 that what goes on 
 at Gitmo or what went on at Abu Ghraib was torture.
 
 Go see the following video and then come back here
 and tell us if you 
 still feel what the Americans did was torture (do
 NOT see the video if 
 you are faint of heart because it very well may be
 the most disturbing 
 video you ever see.  That was certainly the case for
 me):
 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: why not relinquish TM?

[Peter]

Great post, extremely funny!

--- Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Bhairitu wrote:
  Most of everything in the meditation method of TM 
  can be found in a book or two published by Swami 
  Sivananda in the 1930s and that is just one
 example.
 
 So, how come Swami Satchitananda or Swami
 Vishnudevananda
 couldn't teach any of their students how to
 effortlessly 
 transcend? I took their course in Yoga back in the
 '70s
 and neither one of them said anything about
 transcending
 - I got the impression that they didn't have a clue
 and
 so that's why they taught concentration on the tip
 of 
 their nose.
 
  The reason so many teachers give shaktipat as part
 
  of the meditation instruction is so the student
 can 
  instantly transcend and it sets up the mind for 
  transcending with practicing the mantra.
 
 Maybe so, but I got shaktiput from Swami Muktananda
 when
 he visited California a few days before Franklin
 Jones
 met him. Later Jones called himself The Master Da,
 but
 neither one of them seemed to have a clue about
 teaching
 anyone how to transcend using a TM technique. If
 they
 did, I guess they would have said something about
 it, 
 would they not?
 
 At any rate, I guess it's now been settled: Vaj got 
 enlightened at seeing a guy sitting with locked
 legs in 
 a cafeteria in Honesburg, Barry got zapped by Fred
 Lentz at a light show in Los Angeles, and now you're
 telling us that you got enlightened by a power
 touch 
 in downtown Oakland.
 
 Maybe you three got touched in the head and you
 lost
 you marbles in a trance-induction state. Who knows?
 So,
 you guys have been in and out of cults for most of
 your 
 adult life, but I'm the one who eats prarie dog
 tacos? 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Repost attempt #2

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Very interesting exchange. This poor woman, not swami
 g, seems to be caught in some real subtle mental traps
 and very confused. I wish her the best.

I agree. In this case, IMO Swami G is giving 
good advice.

Who, after all, would dial a telephone number
at random, get someone they don't know from
Adam on the other end of the phone, and then
base everything they do and believe in their
lives on what that person says?

That's what those who trust in astral teachers
and communication with disembodied entities are 
doing.

As a teacher I worked with once said, Just
because they're dead doesn't make them smart.


 --- Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hello group,
  
  The first 2 posts didnt come out right so here goes
  third attempt:
  
  Post 1:
  
  __Om Namo Narayana - __* My SatGuru is one in
  physical form, yet I
  have had no direct teachings. All have been in
  astral levels only.__G
  any teachings that come solely through astral realms
  are suspect. __*
  I do not have any direct Guru.
  
   __G this is unfortunate -
  
   __* Time to time I have had the needed trainings
  needed on my path.
  And the growth has been much to my own satisfaction
  and phenomenal in
  the eyes of many others. But the path is different
  than Tantra.
  
   __G what is the path ? 
  
  __* While all in all any spiritual path is
  ultimately relating to
  tantra, yet there are different pathways. I am sure
  you would
  understand what I am conveying. __
  
  G All paths Yes lead ultimately to the ONE
  Indivisible Truth of Being.
  Yet the _methodologies are vastly different on how
  to reach this end.
  __* Unfortunately I cannot disclose my satguru's
  identity because have
  been advised to refrain from doing such in the very
  initial stage of
  these astral transferences way back in 1997.
  
  __G i would Never ever promote that all teachings
  come within the
  realm of _Astral - as in Astral realm maybe what is
  given is correct -
  maybe what comes _through is tinged with ego
  leanings - maybe what
  comes is being masqueraded _and comes through
  another entity. This is
  also a probability.  There is _very little
  stability with anything
  Astrally connected. Parabrahman is BEYOND_all astral
  nonsense. So why
  is the focal point within the realm of unending
  _phenomena ?
  
   __* With the grace flowing such, I have moved.
  Since almost a year
  now, I have been a victim of Kali Tantra (in
  conjunction with the
  energies of Rahu, Ketu, Shani and Mangal).
  
  __G what are you terming being a victim of Kali
  Tantra ? As far as the
  conjunction _of energies these only hold sway when
  one is within a
  mental fixation about them. _The Light beyond lights
  is ALWAYS PURE
  and the shadows are only flotsum of _reflected
  shadows. --- they have
  no substance other than what you yourself _are
  attributing them to have.
  
   __* I dont mean any offence here to path of tantra
  which in my own
  opinion is a sacred path.
  
   __G there is Tantra - and then there is an abusive
  aberation which i
  do not term _tantra at all but rather black arts.
  --- black arts is
  wrongly termed *tantra*. Just _as Occult is not
  Knowledge. Knowledge
  is having gone beyond all such phenomena.
  
   __* But you would surely know that there are other
  sides of this
  vidya also. I know the people also doing it. They
  have been caught
  redhanded and there is documentary evidence also for
  the same. 
  
  __G ok - and ? Why are you being held by fear ? 
  
  __* Unfortunately or as destined, whatever, they are
  my own students
  and trained in the same art that I practise.
  
   __G really ? so why did you teach your students
  such a thing ? or did
  they get their _knowledge from Astral realm beings ?
  such is my
  constraint on such things. _Only in ONE to ONE
  communication with Sat
  Guru to Sadhaka in the form of face _to face
  teaching and guidance is
  Reliable. 
  
  __* I take this also as a state of Shakti Parikshan
  for myself.
  
   __G there is examination and then Examination. My
  questioning is why
  _a secrecy concerning a Sat Guru - these are not the
  actions of a Sat
  Guru to _require secrecy concerning their name.
  There is something
  very suspect in _this.
  
   __* A lot has been happenning since and there is
  undercover himsa
  that is affecting many people right from small
  children to old people.
  And there is regular suffering for many at physical,
  emotional, mental
  levels in this spiritual evolution thrown across at
  them without their
  wish or will through a use of force.__G what do you
  mean by this ? 
  
  __* I have tried out all means for settlement. 
  
  __G settlement in what way ? What needs to be
  settled ?
  
   __* The group involved is itself not really knowing
  what is wished
  for. They seem to have just one thing in mind. That
  I should surrender
  to them bowing on my 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I raised the point, partly, from the memory of speaking absolutely
 confidently, definitively, authoritatively about things like Chrst,
 drawing from my memorized (TMO) catechism, Christ never suffered,
 Christ's main message was that the kingdom of heaven is within. etc.
 It was SO logical, it HAD to be true. So I / we spoke it as if it was
 an established fact.

It is.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak 
  geezerfreak@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
jflanegi@ 
  wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak 
geezerfreak@ wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
  jflanegi@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
no_reply@ 
  wrote:
   One gets the credit for accomplishments by actually
   accomplishing something, not by claiming that your 
   teacher did.
  
  I absolutely agree with this last bit. I also think you 
are 
taking 
  what I said to an absurd degree. What I have said is 
  analogous 
to 
  the fact that the electrification of the US wouldn't have 
occurred 
  were it not for Edison. You probably don't see it that 
way. 
  OK 
by 
  me. However to imply that I am denigrating those who 
  followed in 
  Maharishi's footsteps, like the Vanity Fair yoga 
  photographer, 
is 
  not at all what I am talking about, or that anyone who 
has 
  ever 
  accomplished anything spiritually including any of us 
here, 
hasn't 
  done so entirely on their own merits, through their own 
  choice, 
and 
  through their own efforts. 
  
  However, someone had to revitalize the spiritual momentum 
of 
  the 
  world. The religions weren't doing it. The fact that it 
is 
Maharishi 
  and Guru Dev doesn't matter much. It could have been 
anyone 
else. 
  Reality check: Its just that it wasn't, though Yogananda 
did 
  a 
great 
  job of softening up the soil in the West so to speak.
  
  And last, this implication that Maharishi and Guru Dev 
did 
  this 
and 
  therefore it reflects on me somehow is just plain 
  nonsensical. I 
  hope that clarifies to you what I have said originally. 
In a 
  nutshell I said what I said without any further 
implications 
  or 
  conclusions to be drawn. A settled mind. It is what it 
is, 
  and 
no 
  more. :-)
 
 According to you MMY is perfect and revitalized the 
spiritual 
momentum of the world.
 Do tell, oh settled mind, where is your proof of this?

Maharishi *and* Guru Dev. Do you have any proof that they 
  haven't?:-)
   
   Are you serious? 99.99% of the world's population has never 
  heard of either Guru Dev 
   or MMY. The majority of the world's population who are 
religious 
  follow traditions other 
   than Hinduism. And the vast majority of Hindus have nothing to 
do 
  with MMY.
   
   You've heard of the civil war going on on the Iraq, right? 
You've 
  heard of the other wars 
   going on in the middle east, right? Genocidesmany, in fact 
  most conducted in the name 
   of religion. Famine.
   
   What's YOUR proof? Pundits living behind barbed wire in FF? I'd 
  really like to know.
   
   Look, if believing in the fairy tale that MMY has revitalized 
the 
  spiritual momentum of the 
   world brings you pleasure in thinking that you rode the right 
  horse in this life, instead of 
   some other spiritual leader, good on you. There's nothing finer 
  than the security and warm 
   blanketness of being in the know, of being in on cosmic secret. 
  
  You too with the self aggrandizement argument? What is it with 
this? 
  Is that why you were interested in TM and Maharishi at one time?? 
I 
  don't get that connection. I've always derived a great deal from 
  Maharishi and Guru Dev's teaching and the practice of TM, vs. 
going 
  about smugly as a member of some sort of little club. My beliefs 
are 
  purely derived from my experience, and not the other way around. 
My 
  attitude has always been one of surrender vs. arrogance and 
  condescension, though I might have been in the minority. Don't 
know, 
  don't care.
  
  As to the world being unaware of Maharishi and Guru Dev's 
  contribution, couldn't that be similar to Copernicus's assertion 
in 
  the 15th century that the earth revolves around the sun vs the 
other 
  way around? One of the few with such a belief at that time, but 
  ultimately found to be right? Just asking the question. 
   
   But from outside this little cocoon, MMY is a big man in a tiny 
  and ever shrinking pond.
  
  Yes on the surface it would appear so. Just as on the surface the 
  sun definitely and unmistakably revolves around the earth.:-)
 
 vs. going about smugly as a member of some little club. I see. So 
you believe that, like 
 Copernicus, MMY alone has the keys to the castle, that he is way 
ahead of the spiritual 
 truth curve and humanity just has to catch up. You sure you aren't 
going about smugly as 
 a member of some little club?
 
 Like I said Jim, if this gives you personal satisfaction then enjoy 
your 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Torture

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 THIS IS A BEHEADING VIDEO!!! DO NOT WATCH THIS THING
 IT WILL MAKE YOU SICK. IT PROFOUNDLY TRAUMATIZES YOUR
 MIND/BODY. STAY AWAY!! IT IS INTRINSICALLY EVIL. THE
 PEOPLE WHO DO THESE THINGS ARE CONTROLLED BY POWERFUL
 DEMONIC INFLUENCES, SOMETHING YOU DON'T WANT TO SCREW
 AROUND WITH!! 

Dr. Pete is right! Don't watch it! I almost puked!  :/


 
 --- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  This post is for those that are under the impression
  that what goes on 
  at Gitmo or what went on at Abu Ghraib was torture.
  
  Go see the following video and then come back here
  and tell us if you 
  still feel what the Americans did was torture (do
  NOT see the video if 
  you are faint of heart because it very well may be
  the most disturbing 
  video you ever see.  That was certainly the case for
  me):
  
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Torture

[hugheshugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 This post is for those that are under the impression that what goes 
on 
 at Gitmo or what went on at Abu Ghraib was torture.
 
 Go see the following video and then come back here and tell us if you 
 still feel what the Americans did was torture (do NOT see the video 
if 
 you are faint of heart because it very well may be the most 
disturbing 
 video you ever see.  That was certainly the case for me):
 
 
http://www.bigducky.com/videos/beheading_videos/armstrong_beheading.htm


I can't look at this as I'm in a public library but the title tells me 
all I need to know. But surely beheading isn't torture it's execution? 
the idea of torture is to get information out of people, tricky to 
confess to anything when your head is any distance from your body.

The main question is, how do you know what the CIA are doing? Why do 
you think they've been flying people half-way round the world to 
countries that freely admit they practise torture? for the air-miles?

Setting dogs on people and giving them electric shocks IS torture, and 
it's illegal under international law and any sane moral code. Besides, 
it doesn't even work if the people are guilty let alone innocent as 
most are/were at gitmo  abu graib. I was going to end by saying the US 
doesn't get off because the people don't actually die but plenty have 
been beaten to death at the hands of the coalition of the willing 
Shame on us.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: why not relinquish TM?

[Vaj]

On Jun 25, 2007, at 11:51 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:


 The reason so many teachers give shaktipat as part
 of the meditation instruction is so the student can
 instantly transcend and it sets up the mind for
 transcending with practicing the mantra.

Maybe so, but I got shaktiput from Swami Muktananda when
he visited California a few days before Franklin Jones
met him. Later Jones called himself The Master Da, but
neither one of them seemed to have a clue about teaching
anyone how to transcend using a TM technique. If they
did, I guess they would have said something about it,
would they no



Maybe they wanted something deeper than transcending and only ripe  
students could perceive it.


That would certainly explain the dullness you seem to have. Makes one  
wonder if M. really does put a block on some peoples nervous systems  
as some of his closest students claimed.


I'm sure Larry Domash could transcend, but he dumped the Reesh for Da  
the Beer-bellied.


How come?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Please help me find a good astrologer

[pratap Mahapatra]

We shall be very happy to assist with Vedic astrology. We do compatibility 
analysis to check how compatible 2 or more people are for marriage, business or 
any kind of partnership. Our astrologers are very skilled and experienced 
having experience of more than 10 years. Some of them are having international 
exposure through TM Movement.
  Pratmah2001

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  In a message dated 6/25/2007 1:57:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   
   Go to Astrological Varieties . Lou Valentino uses both Western and Vedic 
for his clients.
  You should consult with Dr. Brendan Feeley who practices in the 
Washington DC area. You can google his name to find his website and 
email. He is primarily a vedic (jyotish) astrologer who also knows 
western astrology techniques.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I need a good astrologer, either Western or Jyotish. Someone who is 
skilled at 
 looking at two charts and seeing how the two people concerned fit 
together. 
 Does anyone have any suggestions? Eleven years ago I had an excellent 
 reading from a guy called Colin Maxwell. Anyone know him or where I 
could 
 contact him? Thanks in advance for any suggestions.







  
   




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Please help me find a good astrologer

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pratap Mahapatra
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 We shall be very happy to assist with Vedic astrology. We do 
 compatibility analysis to check how compatible 2 or more 
 people are for marriage, business or any kind of partnership. 

H. Given the general prudery of India and things
Vedic, I'm wondering what the reading would be like
for someone who ordered a compatibility chart for 
2 or more people as *marriage* partners.

I'm toying with the idea of ordering a compatibility
chart from these folks for me (as husband) and Isabelle 
Adjani, Eva Green, Salma Hayek, and Maribel Verdú (as 
wives). I'm convinced that we'd all get along smashingly,
but I'd like confirmation from God on this.

I'd surely have a heart attack after a few months (weeks?)
of such a marriage, but what a way to go, eh?  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Torture

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  This post is for those that are under the impression that
  what goes on at Gitmo or what went on at Abu Ghraib was
  torture.
  
  Go see the following video and then come back here and tell
  us if you still feel what the Americans did was torture (do
  NOT see the video if you are faint of heart because it very
  well may be the most disturbing video you ever see.  That was
  certainly the case for me):
  

 I can't look at this as I'm in a public library but the title
 tells me all I need to know. But surely beheading isn't torture
 it's execution? the idea of torture is to get information out
 of people, tricky to confess to anything when your head is any 
 distance from your body.

Not to mention, if you're beheaded, at least you're
spared prolonged, agonizing suffering.

 The main question is, how do you know what the CIA are doing? Why 
 do you think they've been flying people half-way round the world
 to countries that freely admit they practise torture? for the air-
 miles?
 
 Setting dogs on people and giving them electric shocks IS
 torture, and it's illegal under international law and any sane 
 moral code.

Not to mention waterboarding, stress positions,
sleep deprivation, extremes of temperature...and 
God knows what else.

 Besides, 
 it doesn't even work if the people are guilty let alone innocent
 as most are/were at gitmo  abu graib. I was going to end by
 saying the US doesn't get off because the people don't actually
 die but plenty have been beaten to death at the hands of 
 the coalition of the willing

And many others have been so psychologically
traumatized they'll never be normal.

 Shame on us.

Indeed.

The Washington Post has been publishing a series
of articles on Dick Cheney's vice presidency; his
activities in making torture a tool of U.S. policy
are truly sick-making.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: why not relinquish TM?

[Richard J. Williams]

TurquoiseB wrote:
 Everyone opened their eyes to realize that they'd 
 been sitting in samadhi for over an hour *by 
 themselves* with no outside assistance.

It doesn't usually require any assistance to sit in 
a crowd of people with your eyes closed, especially 
if you're bored stiff. But I'd say that if someone 
got zapped then that would certainly indicate they 
got SOME outside assistance. 
 
 What is the conclusion that one might draw from that?
 
That they were in a hypnotic, self-induced trance-state?

 That one can get there on one's own. 

And if, as you say, they got no outside assistance, then 
why would they need a teacher? And why would you give 
Freddy tens of thousands of dollars?

 And, now, having had an extended experience of what 
 samadhi is like, one might be able to recognize it when 
 it appears in one's own meditation, unlike those TMers 
 who still say after ten or fifteen years, I don't 
 know if I've ever transcended. 
 
I've never met any TMers, of ten or fifteen years, who
said I don't know if I've ever transcended, and I've
met and talked with thousands of TMers. Most people if
they fail to transcend quit the practice after a few 
days, not years. 

 (Don't bristle...I was a TM teacher...I've
 heard that line spoken to me by hundreds of meditators.)

Maybe they didn't get checked very often.
 
 The zapping is not a goal in itself, although admittedly
 there are people in the world stupid enough to consider it
 one and to flit from teacher to teacher like a druggie
 doing the rounds of the local dealers. 

Sort of like you have been doing all your adult life?
 
 Done properly, it's part of a larger method of instruction.
 The first part is instruction in how to meditate oneself.
 The next part is a vision of possibilities, being shown
 what the established goal of this particular meditation 
 (samadhi, the fully conscious thoughtless state) is *like*,
 and the third part is one's daily meditation, as one works
 at being able to realize the goal more often and for longer
 periods of time.
 
Maybe so, but I've never promised anything like enlightenment 
in 5-7 years like you did. I've simply pointed out that 
transcending is the greatest relaxation technique on the planet.

 Don't try to judge it by TM standards. Maharishi *can't*
 offer step two, so he doesn't. What he does offer (step one)
 may be of value and you may prefer it, but to compare the 
 two methods is like comparing apples and oranges.
 
Maybe so, but you've been saying for over ten years, getting 
zapped is no big deal.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: why not relinquish TM?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 The zapping is not a goal in itself, although admittedly
 there are people in the world stupid enough to consider it
 one and to flit from teacher to teacher like a druggie
 doing the rounds of the local dealers. 
 
 Done properly, it's part of a larger method of instruction.
 The first part is instruction in how to meditate oneself.
 The next part is a vision of possibilities, being shown
 what the established goal of this particular meditation 
 (samadhi, the fully conscious thoughtless state) is *like*,
 and the third part is one's daily meditation, as one works
 at being able to realize the goal more often and for longer
 periods of time.
 
 Don't try to judge it by TM standards. Maharishi *can't*
 offer step two, so he doesn't.

We don't know that, of course. In any case, it
isn't the established goal of TM, so why
should he?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote:
 
  I raised the point, partly, from the memory of speaking absolutely
  confidently, definitively, authoritatively about things like 
Chrst,
  drawing from my memorized (TMO) catechism, Christ never 
suffered,
  Christ's main message was that the kingdom of heaven is within. 
  etc. It was SO logical, it HAD to be true. So I / we spoke it as 
  if it was an established fact.
 
 That's really the issue, the thing that is so shocking
 about someone repeating the catechism of Maharishi is 
 responsible for every good thing I see in the world or
 Maharishi is perfect and can do no wrong or even TM
 is the best technique of meditation in the world (even
 though I've never tried another one).
 
 There is no thought behind the statements, mere repetition
 of what one has been taught to say, and think. Catechism.

Actually, I've never heard any of these statements
in the TM context (except from critics who invent
them to make TM sound bad, as here).

snip
 The reason I think it's good that such examples of cate-
 chism are occasionally challenged and discussed here is 
 that a few otherwise sane people really need to understand 
 that if they said in public the things they say here, most
 people would react to them the way that they themselves
 react when Nablus and Lou speak just as confidently, 
 definitely and authoritatively about UFOs and the 
 Space Brothers.

So what?? Are you suggesting that people should say
only what others are willing to accept?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: why not relinquish TM?

[Richard J. Williams]

  Maybe so, but I got shaktiput from Swami Muktananda when
  he visited California a few days before Franklin Jones
  met him. Later Jones called himself The Master Da, but
  neither one of them seemed to have a clue about teaching
  anyone how to transcend using a TM technique. If they
  did, I guess they would have said something about it,
  would they no
 
Vaj wrote:
 Maybe they wanted something deeper than transcending and 
 only ripe students could perceive it.

Maybe so, but how would you be knowing?
 
 That would certainly explain the dullness you seem to have.

So, you can't cite a single case of anyone ever reaching
enlightenment using a yoga technique taught by a yoga teacher.
And all you can do is argue with me about the efficacy of 
the Marshy's relaxation technigue, but I'm the dull one.
 
 Makes one wonder if M. really does put a block on some 
 peoples nervous systems as some of his closest students 
 claimed.

That would be pretty impressive in itself, since by all
accounts not a single student has even been in the same
room with the Marshy for at least thirty years.
 
 I'm sure Larry Domash could transcend, but he dumped the 
 Reesh for Da the Beer-bellied.

What makes you so sure?
 
 How come?

To recruit more female students for the Da?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Torture

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 This post is for those that are under the impression that what goes on 
 at Gitmo or what went on at Abu Ghraib was torture.
 
 Go see the following video and then come back here and tell us if you 
 still feel what the Americans did was torture (do NOT see the video if 
 you are faint of heart because it very well may be the most disturbing 
 video you ever see.  That was certainly the case for me):
 
 http://www.bigducky.com/videos/beheading_videos/armstrong_beheading.htm


PHOTOS of harmless fraternity pranks at Abu Ghraib

http://www.thememoryhole.com/war/iraqis_tortured/ 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Please help me find a good astrologer

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jun 26, 2007, at 6:55 AM, pratap Mahapatra wrote:

e shall be very happy to assist with Vedic astrology. We do 
compatibility analysis to check how compatible 2 or more people are 
for marriage


2 or more people?  You mean, like a group marriage?  You should 
probably get together with Michael Dean Goodman, he's into that kind of 
stuff too.


Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis

[Richard J. Williams]

TurquoiseB wrote: 
 That's really the issue, the thing that is so shocking
 about someone repeating the catechism of Maharishi is 
 responsible for every good thing I see in the world or
 Maharishi is perfect and can do no wrong or even TM
 is the best technique of meditation in the world (even
 though I've never tried another one).

Have any of the TMers on this forum ever said that? 
I think not. All I said was that Marshy taught me the
greatest relaxation technique on the planet and I've
tried quite a few relaxation techniques. Did I mention
Tony Robbins and Dale Carnegie?
 
 There is no thought behind the statements, mere repetition
 of what one has been taught to say, and think. Catechism.
 And even more shocking, there is zero awareness in the 
 person who is speaking that they get that they are saying 
 things that 99% of the people on the planet would consider 
 insane.

Sort of like you repeating the Rama Catechism about a guy who 
could do amazing things with light bulbs and people getting 
zapped in a movie theater. You do realize that 99% of the
people on this planet would consider you insane for joining
cult groups and giving them tens-of-thousands of dollars?
 
 Imagine saying the things you mention above, New, in front
 of a strong Christian. You'd have said them, as you say,
 confidently, definitely and authoritatively, with no
 hesitation, exactly *as* catechism. And the Christian would
 have been looking at you as if you had just uttered heresy.

Imagine you saying the things you do about Buddhism in front 
of just about any practicing Buddhist! Or, telling them your
name is Uncle Tantra when you haven't read a single tantra.
Or, calling yourself Shoki when you have never solved a 
single koan. Or, calling yourself a programmer when you've
never programmed a single person.

 The reason I think it's good that such examples of cate-
 chism are occasionally challenged and discussed here is 
 that a few otherwise sane people really need to understand 
 that if they said in public the things they say here, most
 people would react to them the way that they themselves
 react when Nablus and Lou speak just as confidently, 
 definitely and authoritatively about UFOs and the 
 Space Brothers.

So, lets discuss why you tried to recruit all those female
students for the Marshy for 14 years or why you helped the 
Rama guy mix up all that kool-aid for another 14 years and 
why you'd want to say all these insane things about a guy 
who put a dog collar on and killed hisself and tried to 
take his girlfriend with him, but I like to eat prarie 
dog tacos. Go figure.

[FairfieldLife] A Tantric Path described- recomended book

[Ron]

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kirsten schreiber
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Namaste Swami- G,

Namaste and OM - 

* Thank you for your guidance and support. I have had enough suffering
and do wish 
to find that peace. I don't want to be part of the blind leading the
blind and respect that 
this is a place where you who have completed the journey gives
guidance that can be 
taken or not.

G am glad there is clarity in this. 

* My questions in other areas (Hundred Mantra Symbol) is part of my
search to find the 
guidance that suits me. I'm not saying I haven't found it here...I'm
currious when others 
make suggestions. I know that Mantras are very powerful and using them
without 
guidance could do more harm than good ( that's my understanding any way).

G using a mantra that is not Charged and kept Charged by an Authentic 
Guru offers very little in the end. It is the Guru's transmission
which is the 
energetic force behind the mantra. It is more than simply various sounds 
and syllables. 

* I am seeking a Guru - one that I can trust and that will help me on
my path.I guess 
that's what so many of us going through this process struggle
withfinding someone 
who can guide us. There are many out there that make promises of
helping you reach 
realization and it's finding a match.

G it goes both ways - the Guru also looks to see if it is a match - if
there is 
sincerity - if the potential sadhaka can listen and follow through on
what is given - 
if there is enough maturity to handle this path and way - as this
Tantric path 
and Guru will challenge ones belief systems and will do everything
possible to 
aide in breaking through ones self created dramas. 

Again IF you are contemplating having this Sat Guru or any Guru or
Lama within 
a Vajra or Tantric path a requirement is to read  Dangerous Friend
 and 
you will quickly see that this is an established path modality ---
there are very 
few Actual Guru's and Tantric Lama Adepts that are geared towards and
remain 
in this One to One modality of working with Sadhaka's. 

Most have gone the way of pandering to society and the ego pampering
which 
will bring lots of seekers to their door. And while the feel good way
is more 
attractive it in the end only fosters enabling the illusory ME to keep
on it's throne 
of MY way - MY desires - MY truths - ME - MY - and all the drama that
keeps 
following that entrenchment. 

When people come there is a testing of sorts - When people come with this 
attitude of my truths are just as valid  and you need to respect
what i 
know etc.  and if there is this stubborness that simply won't even
use 
Namaste or a greeting which is respectful for all --- then again they
will 
be challenged most heavily to SEE IF they can get beyond thier own
foibles 
and are ready and open to having a Guide and Mentor OR if they are simply 
fooling themselves and looking for a place to have a rah rah club.
This path 
is really not about the rah rah club approach. It is about diving in - 
diving down - and finding that Pearl of Great Price. It's about digging 
and mining through the emotions - and blasting away the hard shell - 
about continuing on until that Perfect Diamond Gem is found - then one 
continues to cut it until the Perfection Sparkles in it's Clarity. 

This is simply not the path for all seekers. For those who are ready and 
for those who trully seek Realization and not a caracture of it ie: a way 
of personal self control or escapsim - then this Modality of the Trantric 
Way is quite rapid. Now what is different here than the tibetan model ? 
Here i don't have all the Ritualized Drama in place - it is stripped
down to 
it's most essential form - there is not the added scenery of pomp and 
circumstance that can also become a stumbling block of attachment. 
This Guru works in the form of the more Austere Yogi - bare bones - 
excuse the expression balls to the walls - out and out - let's get down 
to the bare bones way. 

Kali doesn't play around and when seekers get ready she will do
everything 
to cut the head of ego and bring Realization. Kali will be feared by man 
caught in their ME throne - as this energy and way uses the Blade of 
Discrimination to cut through to the heart of the matter. For those who 
understand this form of Kali then she is the greatest protector and
infinite 
Loving Mother - Kali gives what is needed and not always what is wanted. 
This path's icons are primarily - Ganesh which is Wisdom - the dispeller 
of Obstacles - The dynamic of coming in an open way. Shiva as ParaShiva 
or ParaBrhaman the Linga which represents that Eternal IS that is beyond 
form and is That to which Kali as Shakti and Kundalini and Guru will pull 
the aspirant ever forward to Merge within. When Shakti and ParaShiva are 
merged then Realization takes place - then 0 point balance may be entered 
and sustained IF the work has been done correctly. 

This is this path - this is this modality - this is the way this Guru

[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis

[curtisdeltablues]

Judy, You understand the problems with the lack of evidence in the
assertion. I am disappointed to see your support for his taking a
personal shot at me in the context of a discussion of ideas.

Jim   However, someone had to revitalize the spiritual momentum of the
  world. The religions weren't doing it. The fact that it is Maharishi
  and Guru Dev doesn't matter much. It could have been anyone else.
  Reality check: Its just that it wasn't, though Yogananda did a great
  job of softening up the soil in the West so to speak.

Me: The belief that MMY is unique in the ability to revitalize the
spiritual momentum of the world by a member of his tiny group does
remind me of the people who believe that they out of all the people on
the planet have the spiritual specialness to go to heaven because of
their beliefs.  The mechanism of inflating personal specialness is
identical, only the content of the belief is different.   In each case
the person believes that they are intrinsically special due to their
beliefs and subjective experiences.  I am not misstating the claim, I
am disagreeing with it exactly as it was stated and comparing it to
another example of that type of assertion by similarly sincere
religious people. 

By all means bring on the evidence for the claim of MMY revitalizing
the spiritual momentum of the world while Yogananda was merely
softening the soil, Judy.

Neither your phrase, grossly and insultingly misstated, nor

Judy:  As Robert correctly noted, this is the type of
 deliberate, malicious distortion we see from
 people like Karl Rove; decent people are at a
 loss to find an explation for it.

take the place of evidence for the claim, and they don't distract me
from the lack of it.  But I would love to hear how decent people
might come to the conclusion that my pointing out the lack of evidence
 for the assertion makes decent people compelled to claim that my
sexual energy is misdirected, whatever that means. (nice  but slippery
touch dropping his misdirected sexual energy  charge, it made him seem
so much more decent while making a personal attack in response to a
discussion of religious beliefs.) 

I was comparing the style of thinking with other sincere religious
people ( I was thinking of Catholics,  but many Christian sects
believe they will uniquely go to heaven, the fundies assumption was
your own invention)  Robert, and now you, are comparing my skepticism
to these claims and pointing out a similarity to other religious
people's beliefs to a reviled character in politics.  So unless you
feel that your belief in MMY's claims are so totally special that even
making a comparison to other religious people's beliefs is grossly
and insultingly misstated, you can hold the faux outrage and the
phony decent people routine.  

 Karl Rove!  Decent people! Misdirected sexual energy!  Oh my!








--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
  Perhaps it has to do with misdirected sexual energy?
 
  If you had any evidence to support the claim I was challenging then
  you wouldn't need to make degrading personal comments.  Casting
  aspersions on me personally doesn't help your cause, it just reveals
  your own limitations in a discussion of ideas.

 I think he was referring to the fact that you
 grossly and insultingly misstated what Jim had
 said about MMY and Guru Dev, equating it with
 fundies claiming they alone will go to heaven
 while people believing a slightly different
 version of the same myth will suffer in hell.

 As Robert correctly noted, this is the type of
 deliberate, malicious distortion we see from
 people like Karl Rove; decent people are at a
 loss to find an explation for it.





 
 
 
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@
  wrote:
  
(snip)
This kind of spiritual oneupmanship certainly isn't
restricted
 to MMY's tiny group.  Think of the spiritual arrogance at the
basis of
 huge factions of Christianity believing that they alone will
 go to
 heaven while people believing a slightly different version of
 the
same
 myth will suffer in hell for their lack of growing up in
the right
 version.

 But they all fall in the category of pretending to know
 things
that
 you couldn't possibly know.  It is a self inflation of value
 relegating poor Yogananda to fluffer status in this spiritual
 regeneration skin flick.

So, you are saying that I have at least a 50 percent chance of
   being
completely correct? And you have an equally 50% chance of being
completely wrong, right?
   
   
   And where did you get this notion that what I said is anything
remotely like the TM folks go to heaven and the rest go to
 hell?
That implied exclusivity is something Turq brought up also. I
 don't
get it. I have never implied or assumed anything like that. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis

[geezerfreak]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak 
   geezerfreak@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
 jflanegi@ 
   wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak 
 geezerfreak@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
   jflanegi@ 
 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
 no_reply@ 
   wrote:
One gets the credit for accomplishments by actually
accomplishing something, not by claiming that your 
teacher did.
   
   I absolutely agree with this last bit. I also think you 
 are 
 taking 
   what I said to an absurd degree. What I have said is 
   analogous 
 to 
   the fact that the electrification of the US wouldn't have 
 occurred 
   were it not for Edison. You probably don't see it that 
 way. 
   OK 
 by 
   me. However to imply that I am denigrating those who 
   followed in 
   Maharishi's footsteps, like the Vanity Fair yoga 
   photographer, 
 is 
   not at all what I am talking about, or that anyone who 
 has 
   ever 
   accomplished anything spiritually including any of us 
 here, 
 hasn't 
   done so entirely on their own merits, through their own 
   choice, 
 and 
   through their own efforts. 
   
   However, someone had to revitalize the spiritual momentum 
 of 
   the 
   world. The religions weren't doing it. The fact that it 
 is 
 Maharishi 
   and Guru Dev doesn't matter much. It could have been 
 anyone 
 else. 
   Reality check: Its just that it wasn't, though Yogananda 
 did 
   a 
 great 
   job of softening up the soil in the West so to speak.
   
   And last, this implication that Maharishi and Guru Dev 
 did 
   this 
 and 
   therefore it reflects on me somehow is just plain 
   nonsensical. I 
   hope that clarifies to you what I have said originally. 
 In a 
   nutshell I said what I said without any further 
 implications 
   or 
   conclusions to be drawn. A settled mind. It is what it 
 is, 
   and 
 no 
   more. :-)
  
  According to you MMY is perfect and revitalized the 
 spiritual 
 momentum of the world.
  Do tell, oh settled mind, where is your proof of this?
 
 Maharishi *and* Guru Dev. Do you have any proof that they 
   haven't?:-)

Are you serious? 99.99% of the world's population has never 
   heard of either Guru Dev 
or MMY. The majority of the world's population who are 
 religious 
   follow traditions other 
than Hinduism. And the vast majority of Hindus have nothing to 
 do 
   with MMY.

You've heard of the civil war going on on the Iraq, right? 
 You've 
   heard of the other wars 
going on in the middle east, right? Genocidesmany, in fact 
   most conducted in the name 
of religion. Famine.

What's YOUR proof? Pundits living behind barbed wire in FF? I'd 
   really like to know.

Look, if believing in the fairy tale that MMY has revitalized 
 the 
   spiritual momentum of the 
world brings you pleasure in thinking that you rode the right 
   horse in this life, instead of 
some other spiritual leader, good on you. There's nothing finer 
   than the security and warm 
blanketness of being in the know, of being in on cosmic secret. 
   
   You too with the self aggrandizement argument? What is it with 
 this? 
   Is that why you were interested in TM and Maharishi at one time?? 
 I 
   don't get that connection. I've always derived a great deal from 
   Maharishi and Guru Dev's teaching and the practice of TM, vs. 
 going 
   about smugly as a member of some sort of little club. My beliefs 
 are 
   purely derived from my experience, and not the other way around. 
 My 
   attitude has always been one of surrender vs. arrogance and 
   condescension, though I might have been in the minority. Don't 
 know, 
   don't care.
   
   As to the world being unaware of Maharishi and Guru Dev's 
   contribution, couldn't that be similar to Copernicus's assertion 
 in 
   the 15th century that the earth revolves around the sun vs the 
 other 
   way around? One of the few with such a belief at that time, but 
   ultimately found to be right? Just asking the question. 

But from outside this little cocoon, MMY is a big man in a tiny 
   and ever shrinking pond.
   
   Yes on the surface it would appear so. Just as on the surface the 
   sun definitely and unmistakably revolves around the earth.:-)
  
  vs. going about smugly as a member of some little club. I see. So 
 you believe that, like 
  Copernicus, MMY alone has the keys to the castle, that he is 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repost attempt #2

[Ron]

Well, I also thought it was interesting. The woman is showing a turnaround at 
the end of 
the post. I have seen a few dramitic turn arounds in the posts. one I filed 
away - it was 
aorund 15 posts total.

In that one, there was a dramitic turn around in the comments of the poster. It 
started out 
where the poster had all the perfect words placeing herself as Enlightened. It 
ended where 
the poster said she now sees where it wasn't the case and is contemplating 
deeply. This 
gave the appearence of one that was evloved but not quite there and a sincere 
and ripe 
seeker.

However, as the months went by, and more exchanges took place, it may have been 
looking more like this person wasn't even ripe and was more like lost. What 
started out as 
One declaring enlightenment ends with the woman talking about being depressed, 
angry, 
lonesome, with violent thinking.

So, my experience from the last year tells me that no matter what the 
experiences 
reported on paper, this is not going to substitute for spending time and being 
in the 
presence of both Guru's and disciples so that the real story is satisfied by 
the one looking 
for what they are looking for.

Seeing disciples and Guru's writings and even videos is one thing, and that may 
give 
insight which will actually hold once an intimate knowing on both sides is 
there. If there is 
lack of transparency or being able to get close is not possible, this is also a 
different story.

So weather this woman continues on the same lines or shows this dramatic turn 
around in 
understandings- whatever, but the fundementals are the woman appears to be all 
over in 
the place in my opinion, and the way out are the pointings that are listed- 
what unfolds 
next remains to be seen- As the world turns



 Very interesting exchange. This poor woman, not swami
 g, seems to be caught in some real subtle mental traps
 and very confused. I wish her the best.
 
 --- Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hello group,
  
  The first 2 posts didnt come out right so here goes
  third attempt:
  
  Post 1:
  
  __Om Namo Narayana - __* My SatGuru is one in
  physical form, yet I
  have had no direct teachings. All have been in
  astral levels only.__G
  any teachings that come solely through astral realms
  are suspect. __*
  I do not have any direct Guru.
  
   __G this is unfortunate -
  
   __* Time to time I have had the needed trainings
  needed on my path.
  And the growth has been much to my own satisfaction
  and phenomenal in
  the eyes of many others. But the path is different
  than Tantra.
  
   __G what is the path ? 
  
  __* While all in all any spiritual path is
  ultimately relating to
  tantra, yet there are different pathways. I am sure
  you would
  understand what I am conveying. __
  
  G All paths Yes lead ultimately to the ONE
  Indivisible Truth of Being.
  Yet the _methodologies are vastly different on how
  to reach this end.
  __* Unfortunately I cannot disclose my satguru's
  identity because have
  been advised to refrain from doing such in the very
  initial stage of
  these astral transferences way back in 1997.
  
  __G i would Never ever promote that all teachings
  come within the
  realm of _Astral - as in Astral realm maybe what is
  given is correct -
  maybe what comes _through is tinged with ego
  leanings - maybe what
  comes is being masqueraded _and comes through
  another entity. This is
  also a probability.  There is _very little
  stability with anything
  Astrally connected. Parabrahman is BEYOND_all astral
  nonsense. So why
  is the focal point within the realm of unending
  _phenomena ?
  
   __* With the grace flowing such, I have moved.
  Since almost a year
  now, I have been a victim of Kali Tantra (in
  conjunction with the
  energies of Rahu, Ketu, Shani and Mangal).
  
  __G what are you terming being a victim of Kali
  Tantra ? As far as the
  conjunction _of energies these only hold sway when
  one is within a
  mental fixation about them. _The Light beyond lights
  is ALWAYS PURE
  and the shadows are only flotsum of _reflected
  shadows. --- they have
  no substance other than what you yourself _are
  attributing them to have.
  
   __* I dont mean any offence here to path of tantra
  which in my own
  opinion is a sacred path.
  
   __G there is Tantra - and then there is an abusive
  aberation which i
  do not term _tantra at all but rather black arts.
  --- black arts is
  wrongly termed *tantra*. Just _as Occult is not
  Knowledge. Knowledge
  is having gone beyond all such phenomena.
  
   __* But you would surely know that there are other
  sides of this
  vidya also. I know the people also doing it. They
  have been caught
  redhanded and there is documentary evidence also for
  the same. 
  
  __G ok - and ? Why are you being held by fear ? 
  
  __* Unfortunately or as destined, whatever, they are
  my own students
  and trained in the same art that I practise.
  
   __G really ? so why did you teach your 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Judy, You understand the problems with the lack of evidence in the
 assertion. I am disappointed to see your support for his taking a
 personal shot at me in the context of a discussion of ideas.

Has nothing to do with whether there is evidence
for Jim's assertion, and you know it. It isn't
even about supporting Robert's shot at you.

You're trying to make it something that you
can self-righteously bluster about because you
can't defend your equation of what Jim said
with fundies (or Catholics, makes no difference) 
claiming everyone but them is going to hell.

Your entire response here is disgracefully
disingenuous. You know what the problem is.
Jim, Robert, and I have all pointed it out.

If you can't just acknowledge and, hopefully,
apologize for the bogus comparison, you'd do
much better to just keep quiet rather than
compound the problem by addressing it
dishonestly.





 
 Jim   However, someone had to revitalize the spiritual momentum 
of the
   world. The religions weren't doing it. The fact that it is 
Maharishi
   and Guru Dev doesn't matter much. It could have been anyone 
else.
   Reality check: Its just that it wasn't, though Yogananda did a 
great
   job of softening up the soil in the West so to speak.
 
 Me: The belief that MMY is unique in the ability to revitalize the
 spiritual momentum of the world by a member of his tiny group does
 remind me of the people who believe that they out of all the people 
on
 the planet have the spiritual specialness to go to heaven because of
 their beliefs.  The mechanism of inflating personal specialness is
 identical, only the content of the belief is different.   In each 
case
 the person believes that they are intrinsically special due to their
 beliefs and subjective experiences.  I am not misstating the claim, 
I
 am disagreeing with it exactly as it was stated and comparing it to
 another example of that type of assertion by similarly sincere
 religious people. 
 
 By all means bring on the evidence for the claim of 
MMY revitalizing
 the spiritual momentum of the world while Yogananda was merely
 softening the soil, Judy.
 
 Neither your phrase, grossly and insultingly misstated, nor
 
 Judy:  As Robert correctly noted, this is the type of
  deliberate, malicious distortion we see from
  people like Karl Rove; decent people are at a
  loss to find an explation for it.
 
 take the place of evidence for the claim, and they don't distract me
 from the lack of it.  But I would love to hear how decent people
 might come to the conclusion that my pointing out the lack of 
evidence
  for the assertion makes decent people compelled to claim that my
 sexual energy is misdirected, whatever that means. (nice  but 
slippery
 touch dropping his misdirected sexual energy  charge, it made him 
seem
 so much more decent while making a personal attack in response to 
a
 discussion of religious beliefs.) 
 
 I was comparing the style of thinking with other sincere religious
 people ( I was thinking of Catholics,  but many Christian sects
 believe they will uniquely go to heaven, the fundies assumption 
was
 your own invention)  Robert, and now you, are comparing my 
skepticism
 to these claims and pointing out a similarity to other religious
 people's beliefs to a reviled character in politics.  So unless you
 feel that your belief in MMY's claims are so totally special that 
even
 making a comparison to other religious people's beliefs is grossly
 and insultingly misstated, you can hold the faux outrage and the
 phony decent people routine.  
 
  Karl Rove!  Decent people! Misdirected sexual energy!  Oh my!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  
   Perhaps it has to do with misdirected sexual energy?
  
   If you had any evidence to support the claim I was challenging 
then
   you wouldn't need to make degrading personal comments.  Casting
   aspersions on me personally doesn't help your cause, it just 
reveals
   your own limitations in a discussion of ideas.
 
  I think he was referring to the fact that you
  grossly and insultingly misstated what Jim had
  said about MMY and Guru Dev, equating it with
  fundies claiming they alone will go to heaven
  while people believing a slightly different
  version of the same myth will suffer in hell.
 
  As Robert correctly noted, this is the type of
  deliberate, malicious distortion we see from
  people like Karl Rove; decent people are at a
  loss to find an explation for it.
 
 
 
 
 
  
  
  
  
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
babajii_99@
   wrote:
   
 (snip)
 This kind of spiritual oneupmanship certainly isn't
 restricted
  to MMY's tiny group.  Think of the spiritual arrogance at 
the
 basis of
  huge factions of Christianity believing that they 

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[Ron]

Hello to all,

Enlightenment means Liberation, no confinement what so ever, and 
certainly nothing on the outside touches this. Actually, the
Enlightened will 
tell you that there is no outside for all is One, no duality.

If I may ask, who transcribed this? Is this for sure what Maharihsi 
said? If so, what is your take on this ? I just gave mine.

Maybe those reading this can see the Universe offering a wake up call?


Ron

Maryanne Lee-Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
Maharishi on Vastu
 
 Global Confrence on Architecture,  17.5.07
 
 MAHARISHI:  ...I am reminded of a proverb `the taste of pudding is in 
 eating`, period. We can not describe what is indescribable. And what 
 is indescribebable is the benefit of Vastu structured buildings - 
 Sthapatya Ved buildings.
 
 I am living in the Sthapatya Ved building and what I feel is that the 
 walls of the house, they don`t produce a cage for me. I don`t feel I 
am 
 living inside the walls. The walls are as transparent as is the 
meaning of 
 cosmic living. You don`t feel you are cramped by the walls.
 
 I have been throughout all my life, 40-50 years, living wherever I 
 went, living whosoever kept me as his guest. And always I was feeling 
I am 
 caged within these walls.
 
 And ever since they gave me this house to live in, I am not feeling 
 restricted. This is cosmic living...
 
 ...and follow my advise that throughout my life I have been caged in,  
 and ever since these 12-15 years I am here in this house (in Vlodrop) 
my 
 thinking is absolutely unrestricted...
 
 ...I am alone, I know myself - the walls, I am living within the walls 
 but the walls are transparent for me. That is the experience. I am 
very 
 afraid to go to any house. I never feel to go because I will be caged 
in - 
 such freedom, such abundance, such enormous authority over space and 
time. 
 Such reality of living in cosmic magnitude. This is living in Vastu 
 buildings...
 
 ...it is such a thing, it is beyond speech...
 
 ...the law says the house should face the sun. Everyone knows sun is 
 the giver of health. The houses  facing the sun, facing the east, are 
 healthy. 
   
 That`s all, simple. Morning sun, evening sun, enter the door - it is 
 healthy. Morning rays of the sun are healthy, they are healthy. Just 
 the orientation...
 
 ...I have the experience of all these 80-90 years of life living in 
 wrong places. But somehow through the grace of Guru Dev, I never 
jolted from 
 my purpose of life. The purpose of life was to be fully enlightened. 
So 
 that was inside, that was very strong.
 
 And I was not living very long in some place - 2 days in some place, 
 15 days in some place, one month somewhere, like that. But ever since 
I 
 came to this house, the house never left me because it is the same 
thing if 
 one begins to live one`s cosmic status one can`t leave one`s Self, one 
 can`t stoop down to one`s individual status...
 
 Maryanne Lee-Hartman

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[Lsoma]

 
In a message dated 6/26/2007 12:05:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 It is clear that MMY is admitting he is not enlightened since his  inner 
experience is so dependent on structures outside of himself. Don't get me  
wrong The man is incredible. He has changed my life and thousands of people  
around the world. But, this is another sales pitch for Vastu living. If this is 
 
what he said then CC is not even developed since he would be in total bliss  
consciousness 24 hours a day regardless of the house he is living in. 
Lsoma.
 
 
 
 
 
 
Hello to all,

Enlightenment means Liberation, no confinement what so  ever, and 
certainly nothing on the outside touches this. Actually,  the
Enlightened will 
tell you that there is no outside for all is One, no  duality.

If I may ask, who transcribed this? Is this for sure what  Maharishi 
said? If so, what is your take on this ? I just gave  mine.

Maybe those reading this can see the Universe offering a wake up  call?

Ron

Maryanne Lee-Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])   wrote: 

Maharishi on Vastu

Global Confrence on Architecture,  17.5.07

MAHARISHI: ...I am reminded of a proverb `the taste of pudding is  in 
eating`, period. We can not describe what is indescribable. And what  
is indescribebable is the benefit of Vastu structured buildings -  
Sthapatya Ved buildings.

I am living in the Sthapatya Ved building  and what I feel is that the 
walls of the house, they don`t produce a cage  for me. I don`t feel I 
am 
living inside the walls. The walls are as  transparent as is the 
meaning of 
cosmic living. You don`t feel you are  cramped by the walls.

I have been throughout all my life, 40-50 years,  living wherever I 
went, living whosoever kept me as his guest. And always I  was feeling 
I am 
caged within these walls.

And ever since they  gave me this house to live in, I am not feeling 
restricted. This is cosmic  living...

...and follow my advise that throughout my life I have been  caged in, 
and ever since these 12-15 years I am here in this house (in  Vlodrop) 
my 
thinking is absolutely unrestricted.th

...I am  alone, I know myself - the walls, I am living within the walls 
but the walls  are transparent for me. That is the experience. I am 
very 
afraid to go  to any house. I never feel to go because I will be caged 
in - 
such  freedom, such abundance, such enormous authority over space and 
time.  
Such reality of living in cosmic magnitude. This is living in Vastu  
buildings...

...it is such a thing, it is beyond  speech...

...the law says the house should face the sun. Everyone knows  sun is 
the giver of health. The houses facing the sun, facing the east, are  
healthy. 

That`s all, simple. Morning sun, evening sun, enter the  door - it is 
healthy. Morning rays of the sun are healthy, they are healthy.  Just 
the orientation.th

...I have the experience of all these  80-90 years of life living in 
wrong places. But somehow through the grace of  Guru Dev, I never 
jolted from 
my purpose of life. The purpose of life  was to be fully enlightened. 
So 
that was inside, that was very  strong.

And I was not living very long in some place - 2 days in some  place, 
15 days in some place, one month somewhere, like that. But ever since  
I 
came to this house, the house never left me because it is the same  
thing if 
one begins to live one`s cosmic status one can`t leave one`s  Self, one 
can`t stoop down to one`s individual status...

Maryanne  Lee-Hartman


 


 


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[Peter]

I find this to be very strange for MMY to give such
power to the shape and orientation of a building to
impact consciousness to such a degree. But I don't
think too much about it because it has nothing to do
with me or ME.
 
--- Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello to all,
 
 Enlightenment means Liberation, no confinement what
 so ever, and 
 certainly nothing on the outside touches this.
 Actually, the
 Enlightened will 
 tell you that there is no outside for all is One, no
 duality.
 
 If I may ask, who transcribed this? Is this for sure
 what Maharihsi 
 said? If so, what is your take on this ? I just gave
 mine.
 
 Maybe those reading this can see the Universe
 offering a wake up call?
 
 
 Ron
 
 Maryanne Lee-Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  
 Maharishi on Vastu
  
  Global Confrence on Architecture,  17.5.07
  
  MAHARISHI:  ...I am reminded of a proverb `the
 taste of pudding is in 
  eating`, period. We can not describe what is
 indescribable. And what 
  is indescribebable is the benefit of Vastu
 structured buildings - 
  Sthapatya Ved buildings.
  
  I am living in the Sthapatya Ved building and what
 I feel is that the 
  walls of the house, they don`t produce a cage for
 me. I don`t feel I 
 am 
  living inside the walls. The walls are as
 transparent as is the 
 meaning of 
  cosmic living. You don`t feel you are cramped by
 the walls.
  
  I have been throughout all my life, 40-50 years,
 living wherever I 
  went, living whosoever kept me as his guest. And
 always I was feeling 
 I am 
  caged within these walls.
  
  And ever since they gave me this house to live in,
 I am not feeling 
  restricted. This is cosmic living...
  
  ...and follow my advise that throughout my life I
 have been caged in,  
  and ever since these 12-15 years I am here in this
 house (in Vlodrop) 
 my 
  thinking is absolutely unrestricted...
  
  ...I am alone, I know myself - the walls, I am
 living within the walls 
  but the walls are transparent for me. That is the
 experience. I am 
 very 
  afraid to go to any house. I never feel to go
 because I will be caged 
 in - 
  such freedom, such abundance, such enormous
 authority over space and 
 time. 
  Such reality of living in cosmic magnitude. This is
 living in Vastu 
  buildings...
  
  ...it is such a thing, it is beyond speech...
  
  ...the law says the house should face the sun.
 Everyone knows sun is 
  the giver of health. The houses  facing the sun,
 facing the east, are 
  healthy. 

  That`s all, simple. Morning sun, evening sun, enter
 the door - it is 
  healthy. Morning rays of the sun are healthy, they
 are healthy. Just 
  the orientation...
  
  ...I have the experience of all these 80-90 years
 of life living in 
  wrong places. But somehow through the grace of Guru
 Dev, I never 
 jolted from 
  my purpose of life. The purpose of life was to be
 fully enlightened. 
 So 
  that was inside, that was very strong.
  
  And I was not living very long in some place - 2
 days in some place, 
  15 days in some place, one month somewhere, like
 that. But ever since 
 I 
  came to this house, the house never left me because
 it is the same 
 thing if 
  one begins to live one`s cosmic status one can`t
 leave one`s Self, one 
  can`t stoop down to one`s individual status...
  
  Maryanne Lee-Hartman
 
 
 
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[nablusoss1008]

   
  Maharishi on Vastu
   
   Global Confrence on Architecture,  17.5.07
   
   MAHARISHI:  ...I am reminded of a proverb `the
  taste of pudding is in 
   eating`, period. We can not describe what is
  indescribable. And what 
   is indescribebable is the benefit of Vastu
  structured buildings - 
   Sthapatya Ved buildings.
   
   I am living in the Sthapatya Ved building and what
  I feel is that the 
   walls of the house, they don`t produce a cage for
  me. I don`t feel I 
  am 
   living inside the walls. The walls are as
  transparent as is the 
  meaning of 
   cosmic living. You don`t feel you are cramped by
  the walls.
   
   I have been throughout all my life, 40-50 years,
  living wherever I 
   went, living whosoever kept me as his guest. And
  always I was feeling 
  I am 
   caged within these walls.
   
   And ever since they gave me this house to live in,
  I am not feeling 
   restricted. This is cosmic living...
   
   ...and follow my advise that throughout my life I
  have been caged in,  
   and ever since these 12-15 years I am here in this
  house (in Vlodrop) 
  my 
   thinking is absolutely unrestricted...
   
   ...I am alone, I know myself - the walls, I am
  living within the walls 
   but the walls are transparent for me. That is the
  experience. I am 
  very 
   afraid to go to any house. I never feel to go
  because I will be caged 
  in - 
   such freedom, such abundance, such enormous
  authority over space and 
  time. 
   Such reality of living in cosmic magnitude. This is
  living in Vastu 
   buildings...
   
   ...it is such a thing, it is beyond speech...
   
   ...the law says the house should face the sun.
  Everyone knows sun is 
   the giver of health. The houses  facing the sun,
  facing the east, are 
   healthy. 
 
   That`s all, simple. Morning sun, evening sun, enter
  the door - it is 
   healthy. Morning rays of the sun are healthy, they
  are healthy. Just 
   the orientation...
   
   ...I have the experience of all these 80-90 years
  of life living in 
   wrong places. But somehow through the grace of Guru
  Dev, I never 
  jolted from 
   my purpose of life. The purpose of life was to be
  fully enlightened. 
  So 
   that was inside, that was very strong.


Very interesting quote; this is actually the first time I have seen 
Maharishi reffering to His own enlightenment.

[FairfieldLife] Re: This post not approved by TM friends Yahoo group

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 6/26/2007 12:05:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
  It is clear that MMY is admitting he is not enlightened since 
his  inner 
 experience is so dependent on structures outside of himself. Don't 
get me  
 wrong The man is incredible. He has changed my life and thousands 
of people  
 around the world. But, this is another sales pitch for Vastu 
living. If this is  
 what he said then CC is not even developed since he would be in 
total bliss  
 consciousness 24 hours a day regardless of the house he is living 
in. 
 Lsoma.
  
  
  
  
  
  
 Hello to all,
 
 Enlightenment means Liberation, no confinement what so  ever, and 
 certainly nothing on the outside touches this. Actually,  the
 Enlightened will 
 tell you that there is no outside for all is One, no  duality.
 
 If I may ask, who transcribed this? Is this for sure what  
Maharishi 
 said? If so, what is your take on this ? I just gave  mine.
 
 Maybe those reading this can see the Universe offering a wake up  
call?
 
 Ron
 
 Maryanne Lee-Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])   wrote: 
 
 Maharishi on Vastu
 
 Global Confrence on Architecture,  17.5.07
 
 MAHARISHI: ...I am reminded of a proverb `the taste of pudding is  
in 
 eating`, period. We can not describe what is indescribable. And 
what  
 is indescribebable is the benefit of Vastu structured buildings -  
 Sthapatya Ved buildings.
 
 I am living in the Sthapatya Ved building  and what I feel is that 
the 
 walls of the house, they don`t produce a cage  for me. I don`t feel 
I 
 am 
 living inside the walls. The walls are as  transparent as is the 
 meaning of 
 cosmic living. You don`t feel you are  cramped by the walls.
 
 I have been throughout all my life, 40-50 years,  living wherever I 
 went, living whosoever kept me as his guest. And always I  was 
feeling 
 I am 
 caged within these walls.
 
 And ever since they  gave me this house to live in, I am not 
feeling 
 restricted. This is cosmic  living...
 
 ...and follow my advise that throughout my life I have been  caged 
in, 
 and ever since these 12-15 years I am here in this house (in  
Vlodrop) 
 my 
 thinking is absolutely unrestricted.th
 
 ...I am  alone, I know myself - the walls, I am living within the 
walls 
 but the walls  are transparent for me. That is the experience. I am 
 very 
 afraid to go  to any house. I never feel to go because I will be 
caged 
 in - 
 such  freedom, such abundance, such enormous authority over space 
and 
 time.  
 Such reality of living in cosmic magnitude. This is living in 
Vastu  
 buildings...
 
 ...it is such a thing, it is beyond  speech...
 
 ...the law says the house should face the sun. Everyone knows  sun 
is 
 the giver of health. The houses facing the sun, facing the east, 
are  
 healthy. 
 
 That`s all, simple. Morning sun, evening sun, enter the  door - it 
is 
 healthy. Morning rays of the sun are healthy, they are healthy.  
Just 
 the orientation.th
 
 ...

I have the experience of all these  80-90 years of life living in 
 wrong places. But somehow through the grace of  Guru Dev, I never 
 jolted from 
 my purpose of life. The purpose of life  was to be fully 
enlightened. 
 So 
 that was inside, that was very  strong.





Hey Lou; did you actually read the above ? What a strange question 
since it is self-evident that you did not...




 
 And I was not living very long in some place - 2 days in some  
place, 
 15 days in some place, one month somewhere, like that. But ever 
since  
 I 
 came to this house, the house never left me because it is the same  
 thing if 
 one begins to live one`s cosmic status one can`t leave one`s  Self, 
one 
 can`t stoop down to one`s individual status...
 
 Maryanne  Lee-Hartman
 
 
  
 
 
  
 
 
 ** See what's free at 
http://www.aol.com.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis

[nablusoss1008]

snip

 But when 
   you make grand pronouncements about MMY and GD being the 
spiritual 
  saviors of 
   mankind I'm going to speak up. I've been deep in there 
  
  Very deep for sure. This forum is full of ex-tmers who claim to 
have 
  been deep in there. But I remember this restless crowd from 
  countless courses in Switzerland and elsewere; they would always 
  stroll around somewhere outside, skipping this or that part of 
the 
  programme, overeating, staying up late, sleeping during 
programme, 
  talking during silence, etcetc - the list is endless - never 
taking 
  the whole thing very seriously. Now they brag about having 
been deep 
  in there. What a joke.
 
 'Zat so Nabby? Didn't know I was a member of the restless crowd. 
Of course you know 
 nothing about me or my activities in the TMO. I was young, but not 
restless.

Probably overeating then.

[FairfieldLife] Beatles on LKL tonight

[Sal Sunshine]

Channel 50, 8:00 CST, Paul, Ringo, along with Yoko Ono and Olivia 
Harrison.  Should be quite interesting.

Feel free to send this to any TBs you still know.  I just love their 
reaction when anybody so much as mentions the Beatles--it's so, well, 
one-pointed. :)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis

[geezerfreak]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 snip
 
  But when 
you make grand pronouncements about MMY and GD being the 
 spiritual 
   saviors of 
mankind I'm going to speak up. I've been deep in there 
   
   Very deep for sure. This forum is full of ex-tmers who claim to 
 have 
   been deep in there. But I remember this restless crowd from 
   countless courses in Switzerland and elsewere; they would always 
   stroll around somewhere outside, skipping this or that part of 
 the 
   programme, overeating, staying up late, sleeping during 
 programme, 
   talking during silence, etcetc - the list is endless - never 
 taking 
   the whole thing very seriously. Now they brag about having 
 been deep 
   in there. What a joke.
  
  'Zat so Nabby? Didn't know I was a member of the restless crowd. 
 Of course you know 
  nothing about me or my activities in the TMO. I was young, but not 
 restless.
 
 Probably overeating then.

Tough to do on a diet of Swiss Chard. Being a special techniques teacher I did 
run into 
plenty of fatties looking for eating techniques though.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Torture

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@
 wrote:
 
  This post is for those that are under the impression that what 
goes on 
  at Gitmo or what went on at Abu Ghraib was torture.
  
  Go see the following video and then come back here and tell us if 
you 
  still feel what the Americans did was torture (do NOT see the 
video if 
  you are faint of heart because it very well may be the most 
disturbing 
  video you ever see.  That was certainly the case for me):
  
  
http://www.bigducky.com/videos/beheading_videos/armstrong_beheading.ht
m
 
 
 PHOTOS of harmless fraternity pranks at Abu Ghraib
 
 http://www.thememoryhole.com/war/iraqis_tortured/


The photos from the link you post are significantly different from 
the ones that Salon.com originally posted back when the Abu Ghraib 
scandal first broke.  Those original photos WERE, indeed, on the 
level of harmless fraternity pranks.  These ones aren't and are 
clearly indicative of torture.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: why not relinquish TM?

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Makes one  
 wonder if M. really does put a block on some peoples nervous 
systems  
 as some of his closest students claimed.
You need to begin submitting your material to the Comedy Club in LA. 
Its that funny!:-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] This post not approved by TM friends Yahoo group

[Peter]

Perhaps MMY is speaking about a condition of mind and
not pure consciousness. 
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 6/26/2007 12:05:49 P.M. Eastern
 Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
  It is clear that MMY is admitting he is not
 enlightened since his  inner 
 experience is so dependent on structures outside of
 himself. Don't get me  
 wrong The man is incredible. He has changed my
 life and thousands of people  
 around the world. But, this is another sales pitch
 for Vastu living. If this is  
 what he said then CC is not even developed since he
 would be in total bliss  
 consciousness 24 hours a day regardless of the house
 he is living in. 
 Lsoma.
  
  
  
  
  
  
 Hello to all,
 
 Enlightenment means Liberation, no confinement what
 so  ever, and 
 certainly nothing on the outside touches this.
 Actually,  the
 Enlightened will 
 tell you that there is no outside for all is One, no
  duality.
 
 If I may ask, who transcribed this? Is this for sure
 what  Maharishi 
 said? If so, what is your take on this ? I just gave
  mine.
 
 Maybe those reading this can see the Universe
 offering a wake up  call?
 
 Ron
 
 Maryanne Lee-Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])   wrote: 
 
 Maharishi on Vastu
 
 Global Confrence on Architecture,  17.5.07
 
 MAHARISHI: ...I am reminded of a proverb `the taste
 of pudding is  in 
 eating`, period. We can not describe what is
 indescribable. And what  
 is indescribebable is the benefit of Vastu
 structured buildings -  
 Sthapatya Ved buildings.
 
 I am living in the Sthapatya Ved building  and what
 I feel is that the 
 walls of the house, they don`t produce a cage  for
 me. I don`t feel I 
 am 
 living inside the walls. The walls are as 
 transparent as is the 
 meaning of 
 cosmic living. You don`t feel you are  cramped by
 the walls.
 
 I have been throughout all my life, 40-50 years, 
 living wherever I 
 went, living whosoever kept me as his guest. And
 always I  was feeling 
 I am 
 caged within these walls.
 
 And ever since they  gave me this house to live in,
 I am not feeling 
 restricted. This is cosmic  living...
 
 ...and follow my advise that throughout my life I
 have been  caged in, 
 and ever since these 12-15 years I am here in this
 house (in  Vlodrop) 
 my 
 thinking is absolutely unrestricted.th
 
 ...I am  alone, I know myself - the walls, I am
 living within the walls 
 but the walls  are transparent for me. That is the
 experience. I am 
 very 
 afraid to go  to any house. I never feel to go
 because I will be caged 
 in - 
 such  freedom, such abundance, such enormous
 authority over space and 
 time.  
 Such reality of living in cosmic magnitude. This is
 living in Vastu  
 buildings...
 
 ...it is such a thing, it is beyond  speech...
 
 ...the law says the house should face the sun.
 Everyone knows  sun is 
 the giver of health. The houses facing the sun,
 facing the east, are  
 healthy. 
 
 That`s all, simple. Morning sun, evening sun, enter
 the  door - it is 
 healthy. Morning rays of the sun are healthy, they
 are healthy.  Just 
 the orientation.th
 
 ...I have the experience of all these  80-90 years
 of life living in 
 wrong places. But somehow through the grace of  Guru
 Dev, I never 
 jolted from 
 my purpose of life. The purpose of life  was to be
 fully enlightened. 
 So 
 that was inside, that was very  strong.
 
 And I was not living very long in some place - 2
 days in some  place, 
 15 days in some place, one month somewhere, like
 that. But ever since  
 I 
 came to this house, the house never left me because
 it is the same  
 thing if 
 one begins to live one`s cosmic status one can`t
 leave one`s  Self, one 
 can`t stoop down to one`s individual status...
 
 Maryanne  Lee-Hartman
 
 
  
 
 
  
 
 
 ** See what's
 free at http://www.aol.com.
 



  

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Please help me find a good astrologer

[qntmpkt]

--Try Astro Computing Services, the oldest such service in the US.  
But there's a certain misunderstanding about Western astrology, 
i.e. transits.  Transits in themselves are totally non-interpretive 
angular relationships between the planets; e.g. Mars can be opposed 
to Pluto (it remains to be seen if Pluto's demotion will affect 
astrology).
 In general, oppositions between Malefic planets tend to be 
associated with undesirable misfortunes.  A minimum of interpretation 
is required. The basic interpretations are already set out in 
Hand's Planets in Transit.
 A computerized reading just selects the predominant influential 
transits and extracts a composite reading from Hand's text. It's all 
very straightforward and generally reliable.
 OTOH, Vedic astrologers tend to use more subjective means, less 
universal and more secret types of interpretations carried down 
through families or in disciplic succession. 


- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pratap Mahapatra
 pratmah2001@ wrote:
 
  We shall be very happy to assist with Vedic astrology. We do 
  compatibility analysis to check how compatible 2 or more 
  people are for marriage, business or any kind of partnership. 
 
 H. Given the general prudery of India and things
 Vedic, I'm wondering what the reading would be like
 for someone who ordered a compatibility chart for 
 2 or more people as *marriage* partners.
 
 I'm toying with the idea of ordering a compatibility
 chart from these folks for me (as husband) and Isabelle 
 Adjani, Eva Green, Salma Hayek, and Maribel Verdú (as 
 wives). I'm convinced that we'd all get along smashingly,
 but I'd like confirmation from God on this.
 
 I'd surely have a heart attack after a few months (weeks?)
 of such a marriage, but what a way to go, eh?  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: This post not approved by TM friends Yahoo group

[qntmpkt]

--Saying somebody is unenlightened by judging outer behavior is an 
erronous viewpoint.


- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Perhaps MMY is speaking about a condition of mind and
 not pure consciousness. 
 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   
  In a message dated 6/26/2007 12:05:49 P.M. Eastern
  Daylight Time,  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   
   It is clear that MMY is admitting he is not
  enlightened since his  inner 
  experience is so dependent on structures outside of
  himself. Don't get me  
  wrong The man is incredible. He has changed my
  life and thousands of people  
  around the world. But, this is another sales pitch
  for Vastu living. If this is  
  what he said then CC is not even developed since he
  would be in total bliss  
  consciousness 24 hours a day regardless of the house
  he is living in. 
  Lsoma.
   
   
   
   
   
   
  Hello to all,
  
  Enlightenment means Liberation, no confinement what
  so  ever, and 
  certainly nothing on the outside touches this.
  Actually,  the
  Enlightened will 
  tell you that there is no outside for all is One, no
   duality.
  
  If I may ask, who transcribed this? Is this for sure
  what  Maharishi 
  said? If so, what is your take on this ? I just gave
   mine.
  
  Maybe those reading this can see the Universe
  offering a wake up  call?
  
  Ron
  
  Maryanne Lee-Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])   wrote: 
  
  Maharishi on Vastu
  
  Global Confrence on Architecture,  17.5.07
  
  MAHARISHI: ...I am reminded of a proverb `the taste
  of pudding is  in 
  eating`, period. We can not describe what is
  indescribable. And what  
  is indescribebable is the benefit of Vastu
  structured buildings -  
  Sthapatya Ved buildings.
  
  I am living in the Sthapatya Ved building  and what
  I feel is that the 
  walls of the house, they don`t produce a cage  for
  me. I don`t feel I 
  am 
  living inside the walls. The walls are as 
  transparent as is the 
  meaning of 
  cosmic living. You don`t feel you are  cramped by
  the walls.
  
  I have been throughout all my life, 40-50 years, 
  living wherever I 
  went, living whosoever kept me as his guest. And
  always I  was feeling 
  I am 
  caged within these walls.
  
  And ever since they  gave me this house to live in,
  I am not feeling 
  restricted. This is cosmic  living...
  
  ...and follow my advise that throughout my life I
  have been  caged in, 
  and ever since these 12-15 years I am here in this
  house (in  Vlodrop) 
  my 
  thinking is absolutely unrestricted.th
  
  ...I am  alone, I know myself - the walls, I am
  living within the walls 
  but the walls  are transparent for me. That is the
  experience. I am 
  very 
  afraid to go  to any house. I never feel to go
  because I will be caged 
  in - 
  such  freedom, such abundance, such enormous
  authority over space and 
  time.  
  Such reality of living in cosmic magnitude. This is
  living in Vastu  
  buildings...
  
  ...it is such a thing, it is beyond  speech...
  
  ...the law says the house should face the sun.
  Everyone knows  sun is 
  the giver of health. The houses facing the sun,
  facing the east, are  
  healthy. 
  
  That`s all, simple. Morning sun, evening sun, enter
  the  door - it is 
  healthy. Morning rays of the sun are healthy, they
  are healthy.  Just 
  the orientation.th
  
  ...I have the experience of all these  80-90 years
  of life living in 
  wrong places. But somehow through the grace of  Guru
  Dev, I never 
  jolted from 
  my purpose of life. The purpose of life  was to be
  fully enlightened. 
  So 
  that was inside, that was very  strong.
  
  And I was not living very long in some place - 2
  days in some  place, 
  15 days in some place, one month somewhere, like
  that. But ever since  
  I 
  came to this house, the house never left me because
  it is the same  
  thing if 
  one begins to live one`s cosmic status one can`t
  leave one`s  Self, one 
  can`t stoop down to one`s individual status...
  
  Maryanne  Lee-Hartman
  
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
  ** See what's
  free at http://www.aol.com.
  
 
 
 
   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak 
  geezerfreak@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
jflanegi@ 
  wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak 
geezerfreak@ wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
  jflanegi@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
no_reply@ 
  wrote:
   One gets the credit for accomplishments by actually
   accomplishing something, not by claiming that your 
   teacher did.
  
  I absolutely agree with this last bit. I also think you 
are 
taking 
  what I said to an absurd degree. What I have said is 
  analogous 
to 
  the fact that the electrification of the US wouldn't 
have 
occurred 
  were it not for Edison. You probably don't see it that 
way. 
  OK 
by 
  me. However to imply that I am denigrating those who 
  followed in 
  Maharishi's footsteps, like the Vanity Fair yoga 
  photographer, 
is 
  not at all what I am talking about, or that anyone who 
has 
  ever 
  accomplished anything spiritually including any of us 
here, 
hasn't 
  done so entirely on their own merits, through their own 
  choice, 
and 
  through their own efforts. 
  
  However, someone had to revitalize the spiritual 
momentum of 
  the 
  world. The religions weren't doing it. The fact that it 
is 
Maharishi 
  and Guru Dev doesn't matter much. It could have been 
anyone 
else. 
  Reality check: Its just that it wasn't, though Yogananda 
did 
  a 
great 
  job of softening up the soil in the West so to speak.
  
  And last, this implication that Maharishi and Guru Dev 
did 
  this 
and 
  therefore it reflects on me somehow is just plain 
  nonsensical. I 
  hope that clarifies to you what I have said originally. 
In a 
  nutshell I said what I said without any further 
implications 
  or 
  conclusions to be drawn. A settled mind. It is what it 
is, 
  and 
no 
  more. :-)
 
 According to you MMY is perfect and revitalized the 
spiritual 
momentum of the world.
 Do tell, oh settled mind, where is your proof of this?

Maharishi *and* Guru Dev. Do you have any proof that they 
  haven't?:-)
   
   Are you serious? 99.99% of the world's population has 
never 
  heard of either Guru Dev 
   or MMY. The majority of the world's population who are 
religious 
  follow traditions other 
   than Hinduism. And the vast majority of Hindus have nothing to 
do 
  with MMY.
   
   You've heard of the civil war going on on the Iraq, right? 
You've 
  heard of the other wars 
   going on in the middle east, right? Genocidesmany, in fact 
  most conducted in the name 
   of religion. Famine.
   
   What's YOUR proof? Pundits living behind barbed wire in FF? 
I'd 
  really like to know.
   
   Look, if believing in the fairy tale that MMY has revitalized 
the 
  spiritual momentum of the 
   world brings you pleasure in thinking that you rode the right 
  horse in this life, instead of 
   some other spiritual leader, good on you. There's nothing 
finer 
  than the security and warm 
   blanketness of being in the know, of being in on cosmic 
secret. 
  
  You too with the self aggrandizement argument? What is it with 
this? 
  Is that why you were interested in TM and Maharishi at one 
time?? I 
  don't get that connection. I've always derived a great deal from 
  Maharishi and Guru Dev's teaching and the practice of TM, vs. 
going 
  about smugly as a member of some sort of little club. My beliefs 
are 
  purely derived from my experience, and not the other way around. 
My 
  attitude has always been one of surrender vs. arrogance and 
  condescension, though I might have been in the minority. Don't 
know, 
  don't care.
  
  As to the world being unaware of Maharishi and Guru Dev's 
  contribution, couldn't that be similar to Copernicus's assertion 
in 
  the 15th century that the earth revolves around the sun vs the 
other 
  way around? One of the few with such a belief at that time, but 
  ultimately found to be right? Just asking the question. 
   
   But from outside this little cocoon, MMY is a big man in a 
tiny 
  and ever shrinking pond.
  
  Yes on the surface it would appear so. Just as on the surface 
the 
  sun definitely and unmistakably revolves around the earth.:-)
 
 vs. going about smugly as a member of some little club. I see. 
So you believe that, like 
 Copernicus, MMY alone has the keys to the castle, that he is way 
ahead of the spiritual 
 truth curve and humanity just has to catch up. You sure you aren't 
going about smugly as 
 a member of some little club?
 
 Like I said Jim, if this gives you personal satisfaction then 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: why not relinquish TM?

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, qntmpkt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --Right - getting zapped is pretty useless, unless you can take it 
with 
 you anytime, anyplace like TM. I got zapped by Muktananda on many 
 occasions. Didn't help much.
 
The best quote I heard on that was that instantaneous enlight6enment 
is just that- it lasts for an instant.:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: This post not approved by TM friends Yahoo group

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I find this to be very strange for MMY to give such
 power to the shape and orientation of a building to
 impact consciousness to such a degree. But I don't
 think too much about it because it has nothing to do
 with me or ME.
  
It seems entirely normal if you read it as a man expressing himself, 
with the complex personality that each of us has, personal likes and 
dislikes. However if you view it under a microscope, it looks weird.:-)

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McCartney + Starr come together for chat with bandmates' widows
world entertainment news via Yahoo! UK  Ireland News Tue, 26 Jun 2007 1:35 AM 
PDT
Beatles Sir Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr will make TV history on Tuesday 
night in America when they join George Harrison and John Lennon's widows for a 
panel chat. 
Lennon's sons hug and make up
Detroit Free Press Tue, 26 Jun 2007 0:17 AM PDT
They gave peace a chance! Half-brothers Julian and Sean Lennon have begun 
speaking to each other again, the New York post reports. Their reconciliation 
follows Julian's eight-year feud with Sean, 31, and Sean's mother, Yoko Ono, 
the widow of the men's father, Beatle John Lennon. 
George Harrison to get Walk Of Fame star
Yahoo! Music via Yahoo! News Mon, 25 Jun 2007 9:00 AM PDT
The late George Harrison will join his former bandmate John Lennon on the 
Hollywood Walk Of Fame. 
Giving peace a chance
Miami Herald Tue, 26 Jun 2007 0:07 AM PDT
Half brothers Julian and Sean Lennon have begun speaking to each other again. 
Their reconciliation follows Julian's eight-year feud with Sean, 31, and Sean's 
mother, Yoko Ono , the widow of the men's father, Beatle John Lennon . 
This Week in Immigration History: John Lennon Gets His Green Card
About.com Mon, 25 Jun 2007 7:05 AM PDT
After much political banter between John Lennon and Nixon and co., the British 
pop star is finally granted his green card, becoming a permanent resident of 
the U.S. ... U2, Christina Aguilera, R.E.M. Cover John Lennon for 
Darfur CD
Bloomberg.com Mon, 25 Jun 2007 9:52 PM PDT
June 26 (Bloomberg) -- R.E.M., Lenny Kravitz and Avril Lavigne: names like this 
might be enough to sell a CD alone. If not, the cause might: ``Instant Karma: 
The Amnesty International Campaign to Save Darfur'' speaks for itself. 
   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Please help me find a good astrologer

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, qntmpkt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --Try Astro Computing Services, the oldest such service in the 
US.  
 But there's a certain misunderstanding about Western astrology, 
 i.e. transits.  Transits in themselves are totally non-
interpretive 
 angular relationships between the planets; e.g. Mars can be 
opposed 
 to Pluto (it remains to be seen if Pluto's demotion will affect 
 astrology).
  In general, oppositions between Malefic planets tend to be 
 associated with undesirable misfortunes.  A minimum of 
interpretation 
 is required. The basic interpretations are already set out in 
 Hand's Planets in Transit.

http://www.astro.com/

Sample interpretations by Robert Hand, Liz Greene, and stuff. :D

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: why not relinquish TM?

[Bhairitu]

Richard J. Williams wrote:
 Bhairitu wrote:
   
 Most of everything in the meditation method of TM 
 can be found in a book or two published by Swami 
 Sivananda in the 1930s and that is just one example.

 
 So, how come Swami Satchitananda or Swami Vishnudevananda
 couldn't teach any of their students how to effortlessly 
 transcend? I took their course in Yoga back in the '70s
 and neither one of them said anything about transcending
 - I got the impression that they didn't have a clue and
 so that's why they taught concentration on the tip of 
 their nose.

   
Sounds like you were learning stretching exercises not meditation.
 The reason so many teachers give shaktipat as part 
 of the meditation instruction is so the student can 
 instantly transcend and it sets up the mind for 
 transcending with practicing the mantra.

 
 Maybe so, but I got shaktiput from Swami Muktananda when
 he visited California a few days before Franklin Jones
 met him. Later Jones called himself The Master Da, but
 neither one of them seemed to have a clue about teaching
 anyone how to transcend using a TM technique. If they
 did, I guess they would have said something about it, 
 would they not?

   
Shaktipat is one thing as if often just given as a blessing when 
crowds assemble.  In conjunction with teaching meditation it is a 
jumpstart for the meditation.  I take it you didn't learn meditation 
from them.
 At any rate, I guess it's now been settled: Vaj got 
 enlightened at seeing a guy sitting with locked legs in 
 a cafeteria in Honesburg, Barry got zapped by Fred
 Lentz at a light show in Los Angeles, and now you're
 telling us that you got enlightened by a power touch 
 in downtown Oakland.

 Maybe you three got touched in the head and you lost
 you marbles in a trance-induction state. Who knows? So,
 you guys have been in and out of cults for most of your 
 adult life, but I'm the one who eats prarie dog tacos? 

 Eat your rice, then wash your bowl!


   
Enjoy your prairie dog stew.  Then take the garbage out.

[FairfieldLife] FW: Special Event Tonight!

[Rick Archer]

Hi All,

I just got an email notifying me about this event, hence the last minute
nature of this.  Sounds to be well worth attending if you can make it.
Perhaps those with cars could stop by the Golden Dome Market before going
out to see if anyone not having a car might be there looking for a ride.  I
will stop by the dome market at around 7:40 to see if anyone is there
needing a ride. 

Big Green Summer is having a Sustainable Tuesdays presentation tonight on
home gardens at Lonnie's place.  Students will be offering a local foods
meal for $6.00 from 6:30-7:30, program starts at 7:45, childrens program
also offered. 

Directions:

HEAD NORTH ON HIGHWAY 1, GO WEST (LEFT) ON 185TH STREET EXACTLY 2 MILES TO
WOODLAND DRIVE (You will notice 6 mailboxes at the entrance).  THEN WE ARE
THE FIRST  PLACE ON THE RIGHT W/WIND GENERATOR.  

I look forward to seeing many of you out there.

Best regards,

Tim


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[FairfieldLife] What I did on my summer vacation

[bob_brigante]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/26/world/europe/26rome.html

[FairfieldLife] Darwin upgrade?

[bob_brigante]

But just as the erosive power of a river changes the future options 
for the course of the river, so evolution itself changes future 
evolutionary possibilities. This can happen in simple ways, as 
termites construct their own environment by building termite mounds. 
These mounds may last for dozens or hundreds of years and provide a 
sort of ecological inheritance for generations of termites. 

The first cyanobacteria turned carbon dioxide into oxygen and set off 
a revolution that completely changed the chemistry of the oceans and 
atmosphere. Most species modify their environment and this often 
changes how selection affects them: they construct, at least in part, 
their own environment. As evolutionary biologists we have little 
understanding of what these processes mean for evolution. 

Does all this add up to a new modern synthesis? There is certainly no 
consensus among evolutionary biologists, but development, ecology, 
genetics and paleontology all provide new perspectives on how 
evolution operates, and how we should study it. None of these 
concerns provide a scintilla of hope for creationists, as scientific 
investigations are already providing new insights into these issues. 
The foundations for a paradigm shift may be in place, but it may be 
some time before we see whether a truly novel perspective develops or 
these tensions are accommodated within an expanded modern synthesis. 

more at link http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/26/science/26essay.html

[FairfieldLife] U.S. Senate to be opened with Hindu prayer

[authfriend]

Hindu Prayer Will Open Senate Session in July
By Nathan Burchfiel
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
June 26, 2007

(CNSNews.com) - For what is believed to be the first time in its 
history, the U.S. Senate will on July 12 be opened with a Hindu 
prayer, the Senate Chaplain's Office confirmed Monday.

For more than 200 years, the Senate has opened each workday with a 
prayer usually delivered by the Senate Chaplain, currently Barry 
Black, a Seventh Day Adventist. It is common, however, for senators 
to recommend religious leaders from their home states to serve as 
guest chaplains.

Rajan Zed, a Hindu chaplain from Nevada, will become the first Hindu 
to deliver the morning prayer. In a statement announcing his 
scheduled appearance, Zed called the occasion an illustrious day for 
all Americans and a memorable day for us.

Read more at CNSNews.com:
http://tinyurl.com/34s9uw

(This is the same chap who recently delivered the
prayer for the Nevada state legislature.)

Re: [FairfieldLife] U.S. Senate to be opened with Hindu prayer

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jun 26, 2007, at 4:49 PM, authfriend wrote:


For more than 200 years, the Senate has opened each workday with a
prayer usually delivered by the Senate Chaplain, currently Barry
Black, a Seventh Day Adventist. It is common, however, for senators
to recommend religious leaders from their home states to serve as
guest chaplains.


So much for separation of Church and State.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: This post not approved by TM friends Yahoo group

[martyboi]

200% of life -perhaps that means 100% human along with 100%
enlightenment. I wonder if enlightenment is more simple than our
projections?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I find this to be very strange for MMY to give such
 power to the shape and orientation of a building to
 impact consciousness to such a degree. But I don't
 think too much about it because it has nothing to do
 with me or ME.
  

[FairfieldLife] Re: This post not approved by TM friends Yahoo group

[Ron]

I asked G to comment:

Dr peter: 
Perhaps MMY is speaking about a condition of mind and
 not pure consciousness. 

G there is No conditioned mind in Pure Consciousness. If that were the 
case then there is simply an intellectual knowledge being paraded as 
Pure Consciousness. 
 
Regarding the following post, I offer my comments:

Post:200% of life -perhaps that means 100% human along with 100%
enlightenment. I wonder if enlightenment is more simple than our
projections?

Tanmay: G said once you are there, it is never what you thought it was
going to  be. My thought is how complicated can it be if Ramana
Maharishi's cow and other animals were enlightened ?- what is it that
they knew about Madduchandas and devatas?

Following that trend, what is it that happens to the simplicity if it
is shrouded with circleing explanations that no one can understand- it
ends up driving one further down the road of confusion than the
clarity that rests in the simplicity of Being.

100% human- hmmm- I would say yes and no- You can fit that in with G's
comments, enlightenment is the life of all lives and the death of all
deaths.

100% enlightenment- hmmm- it seems more like either enlightened or
not, just like one is either pregnant or not.

Typically sadakas think my Guru is the One, but the Sat Guru knows
'Sat Guru is One- That One essence is either directly known or not-
one Guru doesnt have 89 percent, another 93 percent- it is all or
nothing, either enlightened or not. The Gurus talk of a deepening
within that Enlightenment- but you wont find Ramana Maharihsi at any
time talking about being caged in- He was covered with insects and it
had no effect on consciousness.

Main point to all of this is the Guru can take you only to the degree
that they themselves are, so this is the value in considering the
consciousness of the Guru and his sadakas. it is a mixture of the
grace in the path and wisdom of descrimination- each has their choices
they have to live with in the journey.

[FairfieldLife] Re: This post not approved by TM friends Yahoo group

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I asked G to comment:
 
 Dr peter: 
 Perhaps MMY is speaking about a condition of mind and
  not pure consciousness. 
 
 G there is No conditioned mind in Pure Consciousness. If that
 were the case then there is simply an intellectual knowledge
 being paraded as Pure Consciousness. 

Complete non sequitur. She has no idea what Peter
is talking about. Did you not give her the context?
If you did, she obviously didn't bother to read it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] U.S. Senate to be opened with Hindu prayer

[Vaj]

On Jun 26, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote:


On Jun 26, 2007, at 4:49 PM, authfriend wrote:


For more than 200 years, the Senate has opened each workday with a
prayer usually delivered by the Senate Chaplain, currently Barry
Black, a Seventh Day Adventist. It is common, however, for senators
to recommend religious leaders from their home states to serve as
guest chaplains.


So much for separation of Church and State.



Hinduism is not a religion, it's a science Sal.

Don't you know anything about Quantum Mechanics?

Don't make me tell you about AGNI because it's really, really long!

[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. Senate to be opened with Hindu prayer

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On Jun 26, 2007, at 4:49 PM, authfriend wrote:
 
  For more than 200 years, the Senate has opened each workday with a
  prayer usually delivered by the Senate Chaplain, currently Barry
  Black, a Seventh Day Adventist. It is common, however, for senators
  to recommend religious leaders from their home states to serve as
  guest chaplains.
 
 So much for separation of Church and State.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment
of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

As long as they have representatives of different
religions delivering the prayer, they're fine.

Re: [FairfieldLife] U.S. Senate to be opened with Hindu prayer

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jun 26, 2007, at 6:35 PM, Vaj wrote:


On Jun 26, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote:

On Jun 26, 2007, at 4:49 PM, authfriend wrote:

For more than 200 years, the Senate has opened each workday with a 
prayer usually delivered by the Senate Chaplain, currently Barry 
Black, a Seventh Day Adventist. It is common, however, for senators 
to recommend religious leaders from their home states to serve as 
guest chaplains.

So much for separation of Church and State.


Hinduism is not a religion, it's a science Sal.


Sure.  And Creationism is on a par with Darwin.


Don't you know anything about Quantum Mechanics?


No, but I've passed by the Quantum Mechanic sign here in FF many 
times, so that probably qualifies me as an expert.


Don't make me tell you about AGNI because it's really, really long!


No problem, Vaj.  Like many recovering meditators, I have an endless 
tolerance for boredom.  Learned from the best.


Want to hear something funny?  When I just ran my spell check, and had 
mistyped boredom, one of the choices it gave me was bore-dome.  If 
only they knew how fitting *that* was.


Sal

Re: [FairfieldLife] U.S. Senate to be opened with Hindu prayer

[MDixon6569]

 
In a message dated 6/26/07 4:54:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

For more  than 200 years, the Senate has opened each workday with a
 prayer  usually delivered by the Senate Chaplain, currently Barry
 Black, a  Seventh Day Adventist. It is common, however, for senators
 to  recommend religious leaders from their home states to serve as
 guest  chaplains.

So much for separation of Church and  State.

Sal



It never has existed, at least how people interpret that phrase  today.



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[FairfieldLife] The Lion Whisperer/ Talking to Animals

[pranamoocher]

Fascinating article I found on Drudge Report link about a guy who can
communicate with lions closeup without any force or violence. He
somehow tunes into their ways and is sensitive enough to gain their
trust after a relatively short time.  Just shows how intelligence is
alive in animals but requires the right approach and consciousness to
tap into.

Since I'm a big animal lover, I was wondering if anyone has had any
experiences first hand communicating with their pets or other animals.
The siddhi for speaking to animals was discontinued soon after it was
given out, but I remember the rumors that John Shear was able to use
the siddhi once to communicate.  I know of a few pet psychics who
give readings to pet owners, but I assumed they were variable in
quality just as the regular psychics are.

From my limited experience, you can almost tune into an animal if you
have a quiet enough environment, but at the end, they'll do just what
they want regardless of what you think they are saying to you.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lion Whisperer/ Talking to Animals

[pranamoocher]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Fascinating article I found on Drudge Report link about a guy who can
 communicate with lions closeup without any force or violence. He
 somehow tunes into their ways and is sensitive enough to gain their
 trust after a relatively short time.  Just shows how intelligence is
 alive in animals but requires the right approach and consciousness to
 tap into.
 
 Since I'm a big animal lover, I was wondering if anyone has had any
 experiences first hand communicating with their pets or other animals.
 The siddhi for speaking to animals was discontinued soon after it was
 given out, but I remember the rumors that John Shear was able to use
 the siddhi once to communicate.  I know of a few pet psychics who
 give readings to pet owners, but I assumed they were variable in
 quality just as the regular psychics are.
 
 From my limited experience, you can almost tune into an animal if you
 have a quiet enough environment, but at the end, they'll do just what
 they want regardless of what you think they are saying to you.

FORGOT TO PASTE THE LINK, BELOW:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=464353in_page_id=1770

Re: [FairfieldLife] U.S. Senate to be opened with Hindu prayer

[Vaj]

On Jun 26, 2007, at 8:09 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote:

Want to hear something funny?  When I just ran my spell check, and  
had mistyped boredom, one of the choices it gave me was bore- 
dome.  If only they knew how fitting *that* was.



A coherence producing bore-dome with a leak isn't something to laugh  
about Sal.

[FairfieldLife] Re: This post not approved by TM friends Yahoo group

[Ron]

Since there is a limit on how many posts  can be made here, this is
one reason I am not going to reply to every post. In this case, the
question is directed to me but again, we have a limit so I am just not
 going to answer every one, many others probably do the same here.

Secondly, in my camp here, you have heard my story, I am working with
a Guru one to one- then I went on to say if there is something I
promote, they are  2 things- find a Sat Guru, then work one to one.

I also posted today what I thought was a profound description of a
Tantra path, for which I am on one. It is explained how there is a 2
way deal in a working relationship with the Guru.

From the Guru's side, they are willing to work with their sadakas to
see to it that the unfoldment of enlightenment, the removing of the
veil, is happening as fast as possible. Part of the process is that
they see to it that their disciples are not in confusion.

So, the Guru is right there to clear the air. However, for various
reasons, the Guru is their to clear the air for the sadakas they are
working with. If one with another Guru comes to another Guru, they
most likely would tell the sadaka, go to your own Guru to clear the air.

I mentioned all this because I had in mind that some comments are made
here for which I could attempt to connect my Guru to clear the air for
those interested but that is not either my Guru's job nor mine. I am
trying to explain this so that should, for whatever reason, some
confusion come out of this, again, I say if there is one thing I
promote, it is find your Sat Guru, work one to one and they should be
there to completely clear the air. If not, this may be a message from
the Universe to possibly question what it is you have for a Guru.

Now, back to this response- I choose to leave it as it is- my Guru,
Swami G, is aware of the connection of the mind and Realization, and
speaking from this platform, as she claims, has made that comment. You
may want to check what Ramana, considered one of the great one;s has
to say about the relationship of mind with One in Realization.

What the Guru says is one thing, the rest of the story is living what
they said within one's own existence- this trims the gap between what
they say is the goal and what one knows from their own consciousness
as a result of the connection and alignment to the Guru and the path

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron sidha7001@ wrote:
 
  I asked G to comment:
  
  Dr peter: 
  Perhaps MMY is speaking about a condition of mind and
   not pure consciousness. 
  
  G there is No conditioned mind in Pure Consciousness. If that
  were the case then there is simply an intellectual knowledge
  being paraded as Pure Consciousness. 
 
 Complete non sequitur. She has no idea what Peter
 is talking about. Did you not give her the context?
 If you did, she obviously didn't bother to read it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: This post not approved by TM friends Yahoo group

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 Now, back to this response- I choose to leave it as it is- my Guru,
 Swami G, is aware of the connection of the mind and Realization, and
 speaking from this platform, as she claims, has made that comment. 
 You may want to check what Ramana, considered one of the great 
 one;s has to say about the relationship of mind with One in 
 Realization.
 
 What the Guru says is one thing, the rest of the story is living 
 what they said within one's own existence- this trims the gap 
 between what they say is the goal and what one knows from their
 own consciousness as a result of the connection and alignment to 
 the Guru and the path

No, this is all still non sequitur in context.
Apparently you didn't read the context of Peter's
comment either.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron sidha7001@ wrote:
  
   I asked G to comment:
   
   Dr peter: 
   Perhaps MMY is speaking about a condition of mind and
not pure consciousness. 
   
   G there is No conditioned mind in Pure Consciousness. If that
   were the case then there is simply an intellectual knowledge
   being paraded as Pure Consciousness. 
  
  Complete non sequitur. She has no idea what Peter
  is talking about. Did you not give her the context?
  If you did, she obviously didn't bother to read it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: YouTube - We Are Theo - Chapter 1

[Patrick Gillam]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  www.jeremygillam.com
 
 Can't get it to play, and I have QuickTime 7...

It may have needed time, Judy. It 
downloads, as opposed to streaming.

Try YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joVCp13LX68

[FairfieldLife] Re: YouTube - We Are Theo - Chapter 1

[Patrick Gillam]

--- Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  maybe I'm just missing something, but to me 
 it looked like a lot of still shots, with music and dialogue in the 
 background.  Maybe it was supposed to be that way.

It's not an action movie, to be sure. I believe 
the next movie is to have bimbos and 
explosions, just to balance things out.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YouTube - We Are Theo - Chapter 1

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jun 26, 2007, at 8:55 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:


 maybe I'm just missing something, but to me
it looked like a lot of still shots, with music and dialogue in the
background.  Maybe it was supposed to be that way.


It's not an action movie, to be sure. I believe
the next movie is to have bimbos and
explosions, just to balance things out.


LOL...that's not what I meant, Patrick, I realize it's not an action 
movie.  What I was getting at was that it didn't really look like a 
movie, at least not in the typical sense, with moving images.  But 
that's fine, it's very well-done as it is.


Sal

Re: [FairfieldLife] U.S. Senate to be opened with Hindu prayer

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jun 26, 2007, at 7:46 PM, Vaj wrote:


On Jun 26, 2007, at 8:09 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote:

Want to hear something funny?  When I just ran my spell check, and had 
mistyped boredom, one of the choices it gave me was bore-dome.  If 
only they knew how fitting *that* was.



A coherence producing bore-dome with a leak isn't something to laugh 
about Sal.


Especially with so many moldy-oldies sitting in it.   I hope they get 
the bore-dome fixed soon.


Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: YouTube - We Are Theo - Chapter 1

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
   
   www.jeremygillam.com
  
  Can't get it to play, and I have QuickTime 7...
 
 It may have needed time, Judy. It 
 downloads, as opposed to streaming.

I know...I waited quite a while.

 Try YouTube:
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joVCp13LX68

Whoa, *very* impressive! He's a junior in *high school*??

I think you've got a major talent on your hands.

[FairfieldLife] According to the ancient Maharishis, Vastu equals 50% of spirituality. It solve

[shukra69]

According to the ancient Maharishis, Vaastu equals 50% of
spirituality. It solves 80% of life's problems. 
It's better to live in a hut under a tree than to live in bad
Vaastu, he states. 
http://www.kaleshwaravaastu.com/enu/vaastu_kaleshwaravaastu.htm

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Silver Beatles News Service'

[shempmcgurk]

Just saw the Larry King interview with the surviving Beatles and -- 
as Larry so delicately put it -- the widows.

I especially enjoyed the part where they showed the film footage 
from Let it Be where the Beatles perform Get Back on that roof in 
London.  And as this film footage was showing, there was Paul with 
Larry King on his right and Tojo herself to his left.





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

   
 
 John Lennon's sons are speaking again
 CTV.ca Mon, 25 Jun 2007 7:25 AM PDT
 Half brothers Julian and Sean Lennon have reconciled after an eight-
year feud. 
 McCartney + Starr come together for chat with bandmates' 
widows
 world entertainment news via Yahoo! UK  Ireland News Tue, 26 Jun 
2007 1:35 AM PDT
 Beatles Sir Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr will make TV history on 
Tuesday night in America when they join George Harrison and John 
Lennon's widows for a panel chat. 
 Lennon's sons hug and make up
 Detroit Free Press Tue, 26 Jun 2007 0:17 AM PDT
 They gave peace a chance! Half-brothers Julian and Sean Lennon have 
begun speaking to each other again, the New York post reports. Their 
reconciliation follows Julian's eight-year feud with Sean, 31, and 
Sean's mother, Yoko Ono, the widow of the men's father, Beatle John 
Lennon. 
 George Harrison to get Walk Of Fame star
 Yahoo! Music via Yahoo! News Mon, 25 Jun 2007 9:00 AM PDT
 The late George Harrison will join his former bandmate John Lennon 
on the Hollywood Walk Of Fame. 
 Giving peace a chance
 Miami Herald Tue, 26 Jun 2007 0:07 AM PDT
 Half brothers Julian and Sean Lennon have begun speaking to each 
other again. Their reconciliation follows Julian's eight-year feud 
with Sean, 31, and Sean's mother, Yoko Ono , the widow of the men's 
father, Beatle John Lennon . This Week in Immigration 
History: John Lennon Gets His Green Card
 About.com Mon, 25 Jun 2007 7:05 AM PDT
 After much political banter between John Lennon and Nixon and co., 
the British pop star is finally granted his green card, becoming a 
permanent resident of the U.S. ... U2, Christina Aguilera, 
R.E.M. Cover John Lennon for Darfur CD
 Bloomberg.com Mon, 25 Jun 2007 9:52 PM PDT
 June 26 (Bloomberg) -- R.E.M., Lenny Kravitz and Avril Lavigne: 
names like this might be enough to sell a CD alone. If not, the cause 
might: ``Instant Karma: The Amnesty International Campaign to Save 
Darfur'' speaks for itself. 

 -
 Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: 
mail, news, photos  more.

[FairfieldLife] Re: According to the ancient Maharishis, Vastu equals 50% of spirituality. It solve

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 According to the ancient Maharishis, Vaastu equals 50% of
 spirituality. It solves 80% of life's problems. 
 It's better to live in a hut under a tree than to live in bad
 Vaastu, he states. 
 http://www.kaleshwaravaastu.com/enu/vaastu_kaleshwaravaastu.htm





It's been my own experience that bad vastu does crimp life (and what 
little good vastu I have been in has an uplifting effect), and anyway I 
can't argue with MMY's assignment of authenticity to Vedic lit on vastu 
(by extrapolating confidence gained by my 4 decades of practice of TM). 
But this guy's web site is typical of the muddled thinking in India 
which has made a mess of life there. What MMY has done has re-introduce 
the centerpiece of Vedic life, expanded awareness, without which the 
Vedic guidelines are scrambled by confused and limited thinking, as is 
this guy's claim that some south entrances are OK:

http://www.kaleshwaravaastu.com/enu/vaastu_example1.htm

[FairfieldLife] Re: This post not approved by TM friends Yahoo group

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron sidha7001@ wrote:
 snip
  Now, back to this response- I choose to leave it as it is- my
  Guru, Swami G, is aware of the connection of the mind and 
  Realization, and speaking from this platform, as she claims, has 
  made that comment. You may want to check what Ramana, considered 
  one of the great one;s has to say about the relationship of mind 
  with One in Realization.
  
  What the Guru says is one thing, the rest of the story is living 
  what they said within one's own existence- this trims the gap 
  between what they say is the goal and what one knows from their
  own consciousness as a result of the connection and alignment to 
  the Guru and the path
 
 No, this is all still non sequitur in context.
 Apparently you didn't read the context of Peter's
 comment either.

Just to clarify:

I got a real chuckle from your recommendation 
that I read Ramana to verify Swami G's comment,
as if I were disputing what she said. Non
sequitur doesn't mean wrong, it means This
does not follow. It didn't have anything to
do with what Peter said.

It looks to me as though what happened was that
Swami G glanced at Peter's comment without reading
the context, saw an opportunity to put MMY down,
and, of course, took it.


  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron sidha7001@ wrote:
   
I asked G to comment:

Dr peter: 
Perhaps MMY is speaking about a condition of mind and
 not pure consciousness. 

G there is No conditioned mind in Pure Consciousness. If that
were the case then there is simply an intellectual knowledge
being paraded as Pure Consciousness. 
   
   Complete non sequitur. She has no idea what Peter
   is talking about. Did you not give her the context?
   If you did, she obviously didn't bother to read it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Silver Beatles News Service'

[Robert Gimbel]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Just saw the Larry King interview with the surviving Beatles and -- 
 as Larry so delicately put it -- the widows.
 
 I especially enjoyed the part where they showed the film footage 
 from Let it Be where the Beatles perform Get Back on that roof 
in 
 London.  And as this film footage was showing, there was Paul with 
 Larry King on his right and Tojo herself to his left.
 
I liked the comment by Ringo and Paul, that so many of their songs 
are known by the younger people, and that their songs were primarily 
about love...
Yoko did look very old, and detatched.
Shame, Cynthia couldn't be there...
Also, was impressed that both Yoko and Olivia Harrison said that they 
both felt the presence of their husbands all the time...
Interesting, entertaining and uplifting.
The music for the show, is also remixed and in surround sound.
Somehow still evolving.






 
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