[FairfieldLife] Vatican and Limbo

[John]

To All:

I've heard that the Vatican no longer believes in the existence of 
Limbo.  So, those unbaptized babies who died in the past have gone to 
heaven, we can assume.  

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's Interpretation of the Rig Veda

[John]

> Even more to the point - considering 6 million jews in the Shoah and 
10-20 million christians in Stalin's democide we can only conclude that 
dead daimons can't kick ass. 
> 
> What's left? Just those little devabijaksharas on Brahmarshi't fan 
folds.
> As they say here in mudville ... them is the real it.

You may be underestimating the power and significance of the subatomic 
particles.  They are the basis of the entire universe and the other 
universes outside our own.  These particles may the equivalence of the 
finest level of energies that the Hindus called the devatas.

I've read somewhere that, according to MMY, the juncture between the 
absolute and the relative (or the finest level of matter) is where 
Indra, the king of the devas, resides.

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's Interpretation of the Rig Veda

[John]

> 
> They've already talked about this. It's mentioned in the Unified  
> Field chart for Ayurveda, which contains an alleged formula for the 
5  
> tanmatras. Not that anyone but they believe in it. Kinda silly 
really.
> 
> My take on his whole "Rig Ved" spiel was it was what he purloined  
> from the father-son Vedic chanting duo he used to hang with, along  
> with his intellectual interests garnered from hanging around 
actual  
> physicists. As it turns out, the whole AGNI thing is not his. 
There  
> are huge compendia of analyses on Rig Vedic words, phrases and 
their  
> meaning. These are still just barely being preserved by 
traditional  
> pundit families. Much of it is committed to writing but none of 
it,  
> as far as I am aware, has been translated into English yet.
> 
> If someone wanted to be really enterprising and helpful, they 
could  
> start or fund a translation project to preserve these texts.
>

No matter what one thinks of MMY, one has to give him credit for 
summarizing the essence of the Rig Veda and its relationship with the 
latest scientific development is physics.  For my taste, the Rig Veda 
contains the essence of the basic elements since it discusses life 
here on earth.  As such, these elements should come from the finer 
fabrics of creation in accordance with sankya philosophy.

At the present time, the subatomic particles are the finest level of 
energies that the physicists could fathom and study.  If there are 
finer than the finest level of particles below them, we should not be 
surprised.

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's Interpretation of the Rig Veda

[John]

 
> Maharishi has us listen to the Rig Veda to enliven subatomic 
particles?
> Yeah, sure.  Round about the Taste of Utopia I would have not 
believed that
> but out of shear exhaustion would have said, "yeah, well, OK".  But 
that was
> then, this is now.
>

Subatomic particles are the modern day euphemism for the Hindu devatas 
or gods like Agni for fire, Indra for water, Vayu for air and a hosts 
of other devatas in the Hindu pantheon.

[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[enlightened_dawn11]

i am not claiming anything, nor am i unsure about the application of 
the term enlightenment. 

however i don't think that the actions and speech we associate with 
enlightened historical figures and recluses and saints are 
necessarily transferable to us householders. (on the other hand, you 
may be sending e-mails to FFL from a monastery or temple-- i don't 
know.) 

the reason i make this point is that on the one hand, wanting to 
emulate great saints is laudable, and on the other hand it could be 
a convenient way to keep the ego alive and although we might profess 
to be sold out to enlightenment, we may conveniently never get to 
enlightenment because we have set for ourselves an impossible goal. 
it happens.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  
wrote:
>
> ---Seems you are now uncertain as to the usage of the term 
> Enlightenment. So why use it in reference to yourself if you're 
not 
> sure?
> To clarify my previous phrase "true state of 
Enlightenment"...that's 
> redundant.  There's only Enlightenment; and any claimants should 
> measure up to the "original" E'd person, Sakyamuni Buddha. This 
> includes not only "Being"; but Power, Wisdom, and the potential to 
> control the elements if desired.
> 
> 
>  In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11  
> wrote:
> >
> > thanks for sharing this. "the true state of enlightenment"- 
quite a 
> > mouthful. though i think we are talking apples and oranges. 
> although 
> > Hsuan Hua appears to be a very evolved person, and probably a 
nice 
> > enough guy, does it really make sense that we should all emulate 
> > him, any more than we should all emulate the Maharishi, or 
Mother 
> > Teresa, or pick your saint? 
> > 
> > who knows what the world we live in becomes, and what our world 
> > becomes with the injection of enlightenment? none of us comes 
from 
> a 
> > recluse or monk tradition, and so there is no template to 
determine 
> > how we express enlightenment in the everyday world.
> > 
> > everyone has some idea of how enlightened spiritual teachers 
act, 
> > based on the process of observation you describe. but 
enlightened 
> > people living in the world, who don't want to be teachers? no 
way. 
> > no way at all to assess them.
> > 
> > i am not making excuses or trying to justify anything, one way, 
or 
> > the other. just making the point that what works for recluses 
> > doesn't work for us. 
> > 
> > i am not sure there is any commonality at all, any intersection 
at 
> > all, between the things we hear, read, and observe about 
> enlightened 
> > monks and recluses and spiritual teachers, and how enlightenment 
> > plays out for us average, daily go to work, do the dishes and 
> > laundry, go to the movies, type of folks. no template.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > ---Precisely! I doubt that there are lots of Enlightened 
people 
> > out 
> > > there.  
> > > My approach is to select somebody whom I consider to be 
> > Enlightened:
> > > Hsuan Hua (I attended his lectures on many occasions and was 
> > honored to 
> > > eat at the same table as him).
> > > Then, compare his statements with the many "Neo-Advaitins" who 
> > also 
> > > claim Enlightenment. Then, I use my own powers of perception, 
> > limited 
> > > as those tools are.
> > > My conclusion is that there's a vast gulf between the "many" 
Neo-
> > > Advaitins out there and the true state of Enlightenment.:
> > > http://www.advite.com/sf/life/lifeindex.html
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Abandon thought

[Rick Archer]

>From a friend:

 

204888

Hi Rick,

this is an reply to the messg. Nr. 204888,
abandon thought.

So just to tell you.
I instructed my mother in `74,
but never did any 3days cheking.
Didnt give her any philosphical input,
nothing.
Only pure TM.


After years, I asked her, if she still
meditates, and she said yes.
When I asked why ?
She said, it was doing her good.

Years later, I instructed a collegue of
her, and when she attended the 3days checking 
with that woman, I coudnt say a word, since my mother
answered all questions.

She really had all the points.
How and why to meditate etc.
So it really is natural understanding
of how to dive inside and enjoying it.

--..-.-.-.-.

So I have skype now installed.
If you like e could jump ino a session,
exchangng something from Belgium.
It is 35 years these days, that I got TM teacher there...

cheers

joerg.

PS: Maybe you want to ad this to the ongoing
discussion about wether the maharishi had a girlfriend or not.

I just spoke at length with a friend, who also was there
on TTC in Belgium. He earned that course on staff.
And later was about 8 years very near to zze maharishi.

One night, maharishi knocked at his door, and asked a 
flight ticket to be issued right away.
My friend started to work it out, and maharishi was
waiting all the time, bout 30 in., otside at his door.

So especially in 1978, maharishi was in Hertenstein,
only accompanied by three german guys, one my friend.
He rested there a lot. Nadk. had to stay one the 2d floor of
that hotel. maharishi had one room, and the three boys stayed in one room
next to his.

My friend said, there was NO chance that EVER was a woman
to be present in maharishis room, without noticing it by them.
He even had the intercom on during the nights, so that he could give out
instructions to the boys.
Any noise would have been heard in the other room.

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[yifuxero]

---Seems you are now uncertain as to the usage of the term 
Enlightenment. So why use it in reference to yourself if you're not 
sure?
To clarify my previous phrase "true state of Enlightenment"...that's 
redundant.  There's only Enlightenment; and any claimants should 
measure up to the "original" E'd person, Sakyamuni Buddha. This 
includes not only "Being"; but Power, Wisdom, and the potential to 
control the elements if desired.


 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11  
wrote:
>
> thanks for sharing this. "the true state of enlightenment"- quite a 
> mouthful. though i think we are talking apples and oranges. 
although 
> Hsuan Hua appears to be a very evolved person, and probably a nice 
> enough guy, does it really make sense that we should all emulate 
> him, any more than we should all emulate the Maharishi, or Mother 
> Teresa, or pick your saint? 
> 
> who knows what the world we live in becomes, and what our world 
> becomes with the injection of enlightenment? none of us comes from 
a 
> recluse or monk tradition, and so there is no template to determine 
> how we express enlightenment in the everyday world.
> 
> everyone has some idea of how enlightened spiritual teachers act, 
> based on the process of observation you describe. but enlightened 
> people living in the world, who don't want to be teachers? no way. 
> no way at all to assess them.
> 
> i am not making excuses or trying to justify anything, one way, or 
> the other. just making the point that what works for recluses 
> doesn't work for us. 
> 
> i am not sure there is any commonality at all, any intersection at 
> all, between the things we hear, read, and observe about 
enlightened 
> monks and recluses and spiritual teachers, and how enlightenment 
> plays out for us average, daily go to work, do the dishes and 
> laundry, go to the movies, type of folks. no template.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  
> wrote:
> >
> > ---Precisely! I doubt that there are lots of Enlightened people 
> out 
> > there.  
> > My approach is to select somebody whom I consider to be 
> Enlightened:
> > Hsuan Hua (I attended his lectures on many occasions and was 
> honored to 
> > eat at the same table as him).
> > Then, compare his statements with the many "Neo-Advaitins" who 
> also 
> > claim Enlightenment. Then, I use my own powers of perception, 
> limited 
> > as those tools are.
> > My conclusion is that there's a vast gulf between the "many" Neo-
> > Advaitins out there and the true state of Enlightenment.:
> > http://www.advite.com/sf/life/lifeindex.html
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[authfriend]

Gee, this is well said, ed11. It's very much a
DIY project.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 
 wrote:
>
> thanks for sharing this. "the true state of enlightenment"- quite a 
> mouthful. though i think we are talking apples and oranges. 
although 
> Hsuan Hua appears to be a very evolved person, and probably a nice 
> enough guy, does it really make sense that we should all emulate 
> him, any more than we should all emulate the Maharishi, or Mother 
> Teresa, or pick your saint? 
> 
> who knows what the world we live in becomes, and what our world 
> becomes with the injection of enlightenment? none of us comes from 
a 
> recluse or monk tradition, and so there is no template to determine 
> how we express enlightenment in the everyday world.
> 
> everyone has some idea of how enlightened spiritual teachers act, 
> based on the process of observation you describe. but enlightened 
> people living in the world, who don't want to be teachers? no way. 
> no way at all to assess them.
> 
> i am not making excuses or trying to justify anything, one way, or 
> the other. just making the point that what works for recluses 
> doesn't work for us. 
> 
> i am not sure there is any commonality at all, any intersection at 
> all, between the things we hear, read, and observe about 
enlightened 
> monks and recluses and spiritual teachers, and how enlightenment 
> plays out for us average, daily go to work, do the dishes and 
> laundry, go to the movies, type of folks. no template.

[FairfieldLife] Re: was: Bacon! now: Brigante in New Orleans, 1963

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mainstream20016" 
 wrote:
>
>  bob_brigante  wrote:
> > 45 years ago I worked at a White Castle in New Orleans on the  
midnite-8AM shift  
> 
> 
> New Orleans, 1963 ?   When were you born, Bob ?
> FWIW - Did you meet Lee Harvey O, David Ferry, and/or Clay Shaw ?
>

***

I've got pics from the grassy knoll for sale -- serious offers only, no 
broker, pls.

[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[Marek Reavis]

Very well put, Ruth.  I enjoy meditation and am a big fan of 
Maharishi, but it is undeniable that we know very little of the 
concrete value of either meditation (as taught by Maharishi) or the 
existence of the so-called "higher" states of consciousness he 
described that would purportedly result from the successful practice 
of his technique.

It would surprise me if there were more than ten-thousand people in 
the world practicing twice-daily TM, regardless of the millions 
initiated.  Not unlike yourself and 'I Am Eternal', the number of 
folks I've met out and about in the workaday world who even started 
TM, much less still practice it, is virtually zero.  The single 
exception I can remember was one day, when I first moved to Humboldt 
about 3 years ago; I met two women at the beach, and it turned out 
that the younger of the two (maybe mid-40s) mentioned that she had 
learned TM and meditated "religiously" twice a day for 7 years, and 
then without exactly knowing why, she just stopped.  That was many 
years earlier.  She was positive about the time and experience but 
expressed no interest in ever doing it again.  It was just something 
she had picked up and done along the way of her life for sometime and 
then discontinued in the same casual fashion.

Not atypical of many folks who learned TM, I would think, and 
certainly true of everyone in my family and among my friends at that 
time (late 60s-late 70s) who learned to meditate when it was 
fashionable.  Maharishi, his message, and TM itself rose on a wave of 
interest in eastern philosophy and religion at that time, and culled 
from the ranks of those drawn to him/it a few thousand persons (like 
many, if not most here at FFL) who were willing to change the course 
of their lives to conform (to one degree or another) to that 
personality and philosophy.

Nothing wrong with that, necessarily, and many here remain satisfied 
with what they either have or took from their time in the TMO; I do.  
But the wave of interest has largely moved on from this particular 
version and practice of the perennial philosophy.  If the TMO is still 
around in 25 years, it will be interesting to see if it has expanded 
at all or shrunk even further into relative irrelevance.

I'm really interested in what the Purusha monks develop into, since 
they are living a lifestyle far more congruent with the Indian 
tradition of asceticism and monasticism.  I'd be surprised if there 
weren't some heavy (and interesting) personalities developing there.

Maybe time will tell.

Thanks for all your input, I really value it.

Marek

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
>  wrote:
> >
> > because of the reliability, effectiveness and mechanical nature of 
the 
> > technique. like if you gave a million people a nail and a hammer 
and 
> > showed them how to hammer the nail into the wall. some would hit 
their 
> > thumbs, others would give up, but a good percentage would suceed. 
> >
> 
> No, it doesn't work that way. You are assuming a conclusion that
> simply can't be assumed.   We have no idea as to whether TM
> successfully produces enlightenment or "unity consciousness."  The 
TMO
> does not say that out of X number of meditators, Y have reached GC, 
or
> UC.  
> 
> Plus, even more importantly, we don't even know if higher states of
> consciousness are in fact higher or important or just different.  
> 
> After all these years we know next to nothing. The 60s, the 70s, the
> 80s, the 90s, and soon the 00's will pass.  Meditators get old,
> meditators die, still thinking that they are hammering a nail when
> there is no indication that they have either a hammer or nail.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[enlightened_dawn11]

thanks for sharing this. "the true state of enlightenment"- quite a 
mouthful. though i think we are talking apples and oranges. although 
Hsuan Hua appears to be a very evolved person, and probably a nice 
enough guy, does it really make sense that we should all emulate 
him, any more than we should all emulate the Maharishi, or Mother 
Teresa, or pick your saint? 

who knows what the world we live in becomes, and what our world 
becomes with the injection of enlightenment? none of us comes from a 
recluse or monk tradition, and so there is no template to determine 
how we express enlightenment in the everyday world.

everyone has some idea of how enlightened spiritual teachers act, 
based on the process of observation you describe. but enlightened 
people living in the world, who don't want to be teachers? no way. 
no way at all to assess them.

i am not making excuses or trying to justify anything, one way, or 
the other. just making the point that what works for recluses 
doesn't work for us. 

i am not sure there is any commonality at all, any intersection at 
all, between the things we hear, read, and observe about enlightened 
monks and recluses and spiritual teachers, and how enlightenment 
plays out for us average, daily go to work, do the dishes and 
laundry, go to the movies, type of folks. no template.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  
wrote:
>
> ---Precisely! I doubt that there are lots of Enlightened people 
out 
> there.  
> My approach is to select somebody whom I consider to be 
Enlightened:
> Hsuan Hua (I attended his lectures on many occasions and was 
honored to 
> eat at the same table as him).
> Then, compare his statements with the many "Neo-Advaitins" who 
also 
> claim Enlightenment. Then, I use my own powers of perception, 
limited 
> as those tools are.
> My conclusion is that there's a vast gulf between the "many" Neo-
> Advaitins out there and the true state of Enlightenment.:
> http://www.advite.com/sf/life/lifeindex.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[mainstream20016]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
>
> On Jan 12, 2009, at 8:53 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote:
> 
> > My experience is similar, though I doubt that I have told as many as
> > you have told that I used to do TM.
> >
> > I sure would like to know the drop out rate.
> 
> 95%.
> 
> Sal
>


"Show your hand - you who learned TM.then dropped out.Yes, Yes - Almost 
Everyone " !
HAH ! hah  hah hah hah hah hah hah.  It's Beautiful.. Beautiful

[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[yifuxero]

---I don't know about "all" Sidhis, but Hsuan Hua matter-of-factly 
stated once, without any boasting that I could detect: that he could 
control typhoons and did so when he was living in Hong Kong, 
preventing them from hitting that City.  He also stated that he could 
control the (using a Chinese word) "spirits" controling the elements.


 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Jan 12, 2009, at 3:54 PM, yifuxero wrote:
> > 
> > > ---1. This is to vague to be the sole objective criterion of
> > > Enlightenment: "when i say that i equate enlightenment with 
being in
> > > tune with nature"
> > >
> > > 2. It's virtually a useless/hopeless endeavor to make a claim 
for
> > > Enlightenment in the context of what MMY taught, since he 
rarely if
> > > ever used that term.
> > >
> > > 3.  Since the term "Enlightenment" is for the most part derived 
from
> > > Buddhism, which Buddhist School does the claimant conform to, 
and
> > > which particular set of definitions?
> > >
> > > 4. Since this form is generally oriented to (pro or con) MMY, 
Guru
> > > Dev; etc, and MMY used the terms CC, GC, and UC, claimants to 
those
> > > states of awareness should first not use the 
term "Enlightenment" but
> > > rather CC, GC, or UC.
> > > Next, they should briefly (imo) list the criteria MMY has 
mentioned
> > > regarding those states, then it's OK to say something like:
> > > "I'm in CC (whatever) because what I experience matches MMY's
> > > descriptions of those states".
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The only thing I would add is:
> > 
> > --you should include the traditional criteria for Turiyatita 
(CC),  
> > Bhagavad Chetana (GC), and Brahman Chetana (UC). Also keep in 
mind, TM  
> > ONLY corresponds to turiyatita. The other two correspond to 
other  
> > darshanas (i.e. Bhakti Vaishnavism and Advaita Vedanta). This is 
not,  
> > as far as I am aware, ever explained to TM/TMSP practitioners. 
Most  
> > people just seem to "go along with it" (i.e. believe what they 
are  
> > told), lemmings to the sea of consciousness. :-)
> >
> 
> H DOn't know that rankd and file TMers are told much about
> GC and UC unless they go to advanced lectures and/or take SCI.
> 
> And, MMY's exposition on Unity includes the ability to perfectly 
perform any and
> all Sidhis, as desired, certainly implies that no Sidha *I* have 
ever seen can
> rightfully claim full Unity Consciousness...
> 
> 
> Lawson
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[mainstream20016]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
>
> On Jan 12, 2009, at 8:53 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote:
> 
> > My experience is similar, though I doubt that I have told as many as
> > you have told that I used to do TM.
> >
> > I sure would like to know the drop out rate.
> 
> 95%.
> 
> Sal


"Raise your hand..show your hand ..Who learned TM - and  dropped it?   

.."Almost Everyone" ! HAH ! haha haha haha haha haha "It's 
Beautifulyes, beautiful".

[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Jan 12, 2009, at 3:54 PM, yifuxero wrote:
> 
> > ---1. This is to vague to be the sole objective criterion of
> > Enlightenment: "when i say that i equate enlightenment with being in
> > tune with nature"
> >
> > 2. It's virtually a useless/hopeless endeavor to make a claim for
> > Enlightenment in the context of what MMY taught, since he rarely if
> > ever used that term.
> >
> > 3.  Since the term "Enlightenment" is for the most part derived from
> > Buddhism, which Buddhist School does the claimant conform to, and
> > which particular set of definitions?
> >
> > 4. Since this form is generally oriented to (pro or con) MMY, Guru
> > Dev; etc, and MMY used the terms CC, GC, and UC, claimants to those
> > states of awareness should first not use the term "Enlightenment" but
> > rather CC, GC, or UC.
> > Next, they should briefly (imo) list the criteria MMY has mentioned
> > regarding those states, then it's OK to say something like:
> > "I'm in CC (whatever) because what I experience matches MMY's
> > descriptions of those states".
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The only thing I would add is:
> 
> --you should include the traditional criteria for Turiyatita (CC),  
> Bhagavad Chetana (GC), and Brahman Chetana (UC). Also keep in mind, TM  
> ONLY corresponds to turiyatita. The other two correspond to other  
> darshanas (i.e. Bhakti Vaishnavism and Advaita Vedanta). This is not,  
> as far as I am aware, ever explained to TM/TMSP practitioners. Most  
> people just seem to "go along with it" (i.e. believe what they are  
> told), lemmings to the sea of consciousness. :-)
>

H DOn't know that rankd and file TMers are told much about
GC and UC unless they go to advanced lectures and/or take SCI.

And, MMY's exposition on Unity includes the ability to perfectly perform any and
all Sidhis, as desired, certainly implies that no Sidha *I* have ever seen can
rightfully claim full Unity Consciousness...


Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
>  wrote:
> >
> >
> > regarding the achievement of a state of continuous samadhi, 
> > and "shouting it from every rooftop", perhaps the organization whose 
> > purpose it is to spread TM would, but what purpose would it serve 
> > for a run of the mill TMer experiencing continuous samadhi to ever 
> > mention it, to anyone? 
> 
> Given how the TMOs push marketing (as evidenced by the recent
> promotion of the non-study on ADHD),


Careful, your bias is showing. The study itself is explicit about what was done
and what was found. The fact that it is being used for marketing in ways you
disagree with doesn't invalidate teh study.


L
 if people were achieving a state
> of continuous samadhi, the TMO would be shouting it from the rooftops.
>  However, the TMO keeps mighty quiet on enlightenment. Orme-Johnson 
> in response to the hypothetical, "is anyone getting enlightened"
> writes on his web site: 
> 
> "Many people are experiencing the classical milestones of
> enlightenment, which arise from regular practice of the Transcendental
> Meditation program. These include witnessing of sleep and activity,
> equanimity during challenging experiences, and increase
> creativity.Recent published research on these individuals has
> scientifically verified the reality of unique physiological
> characteristics and benefits of enlightenment. Moreover, the entire
> body of research on the Transcendental Meditation program demonstrates
> holistic development of the qualities of enlightenment."
> 
> This is rather a non-answer; he does not say "yes" in response to the
> question. And he appears to imply that the definition of enlightenment
> is under development.
>

Well, obviously, a set of scientific criteria of enlightenment is under 
development,
and by definition, technically will always be ("Laws' OF Science doesn't mean it
really a "law," only something for which no counter-evidence has been found-
at least within specific boundary conditions, likewise with any other scientific
cfriteria).


L

[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[enlightened_dawn11]

i agree that is a pretty accurate number -- i recall hearing that 
about 2 million have been initiated globally, though that might be low 
since i don't know whether that number includes all of the initiations 
in India. i'd guess 90 to 95% quit, leaving between 100,000 and 
200,000 long time TMers globally.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  
wrote:
>
> On Jan 12, 2009, at 8:53 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote:
> 
> > My experience is similar, though I doubt that I have told as many 
as
> > you have told that I used to do TM.
> >
> > I sure would like to know the drop out rate.
> 
> 95%.
> 
> Sal
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Speaks of Guru Dev

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> >
> > I believe that that is pretty much how Indians view history: through
> the filter
> > of a moral/spiritual teaching story, NOT a sequential list of
> events. The events are
> > ordered to fit in properly with the story, not the other way 'round.
> > 
> > 
> > Lawson
> >
> 
> And for some fundamentalist Hindus, apparently this is also the way
> they view science, squeezing it to fit properly with the story.
>

Its all a story from their perspective, you know...


L.

[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[yifuxero]

---Turning the Wheel of the Law:

http://www.advite.com/sf/life/life11.html



 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > because of the reliability, effectiveness and mechanical nature 
> of the 
> > > technique. like if you gave a million people a nail and a 
hammer 
> and 
> > > showed them how to hammer the nail into the wall. some would 
hit 
> their 
> > > thumbs, others would give up, but a good percentage would 
> suceed. 
> > >
> > 
> > No, it doesn't work that way. You are assuming a conclusion that
> > simply can't be assumed.   We have no idea as to whether TM
> > successfully produces enlightenment or "unity consciousness."  
The 
> TMO
> > does not say that out of X number of meditators, Y have reached 
> GC, or
> > UC.  
> > 
> > Plus, even more importantly, we don't even know if higher states 
of
> > consciousness are in fact higher or important or just different.  
> > 
> > After all these years we know next to nothing. The 60s, the 70s, 
> the
> > 80s, the 90s, and soon the 00's will pass.  Meditators get old,
> > meditators die, still thinking that they are hammering a nail when
> > there is no indication that they have either a hammer or nail.
> >
> all i am left with is suggesting you try TM for awhile, and draw 
> your own conclusions. 
> 
> you say "we know nothing", but all you are talking about is 
> yourself. you say "we don't even know if higher states of 
> consciousness are in fact higher or important or just different", 
> and again you are just speaking about yourself. 
> 
> the so called conventional wisdom is often just conventional, and 
> not wisdom at all. go out on a limb, you might enjoy the view.
>

[FairfieldLife] was: Bacon! now: Brigante in New Orleans, 1963

[mainstream20016]

 bob_brigante  wrote:
> 45 years ago I worked at a White Castle in New Orleans on the  midnite-8AM 
> shift  


New Orleans, 1963 ?   When were you born, Bob ?
FWIW - Did you meet Lee Harvey O, David Ferry, and/or Clay Shaw ?

[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[enlightened_dawn11]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
>  wrote:
> >
> > because of the reliability, effectiveness and mechanical nature 
of the 
> > technique. like if you gave a million people a nail and a hammer 
and 
> > showed them how to hammer the nail into the wall. some would hit 
their 
> > thumbs, others would give up, but a good percentage would 
suceed. 
> >
> 
> No, it doesn't work that way. You are assuming a conclusion that
> simply can't be assumed.   We have no idea as to whether TM
> successfully produces enlightenment or "unity consciousness."  The 
TMO
> does not say that out of X number of meditators, Y have reached 
GC, or
> UC.  
> 
> Plus, even more importantly, we don't even know if higher states of
> consciousness are in fact higher or important or just different.  
> 
> After all these years we know next to nothing. The 60s, the 70s, 
the
> 80s, the 90s, and soon the 00's will pass.  Meditators get old,
> meditators die, still thinking that they are hammering a nail when
> there is no indication that they have either a hammer or nail.
>
all i am left with is suggesting you try TM for awhile, and draw 
your own conclusions. 

you say "we know nothing", but all you are talking about is 
yourself. you say "we don't even know if higher states of 
consciousness are in fact higher or important or just different", 
and again you are just speaking about yourself. 

the so called conventional wisdom is often just conventional, and 
not wisdom at all. go out on a limb, you might enjoy the view. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: A 9/11 'What If?'

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Arhata Osho
 wrote:
>
> My and your tax dollars killed created grief and loss of lives for
millions..
>   Let us not let up on the government being honest about 9/11.
> Arhata

Reproducing an entire article without permission of the author is
copyright infringement, even if you give the author credit.  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bacon! Bacon! Bacon!

[mainstream20016]

 bob_brigante  wrote:
> 45 years ago I worked at a White Castle in New Orleans on the midnite - 8AM 
> shift  


New Orleans, 1963 ?When were you born, Bob ?
FWIW, Did you meet Lee Harvey O, David Ferry, or Clay Shaw ?  

[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> No worries, the Buddhist's are too busy feeling "spescial".
> 
> Maharishi would never ask anyone in Enlightenment to publiscise his/her
> state of freedom.
>

Nabby, if that is the case, are we to take it on faith that we will
become enlightened?  

[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
 wrote:
>
> because of the reliability, effectiveness and mechanical nature of the 
> technique. like if you gave a million people a nail and a hammer and 
> showed them how to hammer the nail into the wall. some would hit their 
> thumbs, others would give up, but a good percentage would suceed. 
>

No, it doesn't work that way. You are assuming a conclusion that
simply can't be assumed.   We have no idea as to whether TM
successfully produces enlightenment or "unity consciousness."  The TMO
does not say that out of X number of meditators, Y have reached GC, or
UC.  

Plus, even more importantly, we don't even know if higher states of
consciousness are in fact higher or important or just different.  

After all these years we know next to nothing. The 60s, the 70s, the
80s, the 90s, and soon the 00's will pass.  Meditators get old,
meditators die, still thinking that they are hammering a nail when
there is no indication that they have either a hammer or nail.

[FairfieldLife] A 9/11 'What If?'

[Arhata Osho]

My and your tax dollars killed created grief and loss of lives for millions..
  Let us not let up on the government being honest about 9/11.
Arhata












What if we had never gone to war? What if, after the shocking 
crimes 

of September 11, 2001, the United States had pursued a different 

course?



A 9/11 'What If?'

By Peter Dyer 

http://consortiumne ws.com/2008/ 091108a.html 



What if all the blood which has been spilled in the name of justice 

still flowed in living veins; all the American, Iraqi and other lives 

shattered were still whole; all the homes destroyed or lost still 

standing, still occupied by families who never harmed us?



We have spent monumental treasure and energy on two wars. What if, 

instead, we had invested a fraction of that in a determined, 

unrelenting effort to bring Osama bin Laden to justice in a fair and 

transparent trial in a court of law?



Of course, we'll never know. 



When we were confronted with the most heinous series of terrorist 

acts in our history Americans overwhelmingly lined up behind 

President Bush's call for a "Global War on Terror."



We can only speculate on what might have been the result of a 

different course of action, guided by a fundamentally different 

vision. 



For two reasons, though, such speculation would not be entirely 

baseless:



One week after the U.S. began bombing Afghanistan, the Taliban 

presented us with an opportunity to investigate the possibility of a 

peaceful, legal resolution to the crimes of 9/11.



On Oct. 14, 2001, Afghanistan' s deputy prime minister, Haji Abdul 

Kabir, announced that if the United States stopped the bombing and 

produced evidence of bin Laden's guilt, "we would be ready to hand 

him over to a third country" for trial.



President Bush, determined to launch and pursue the "war on terror," 

refused even to discuss, much less investigate this possibility.



A Different Course



Exactly 30 months after 9/11 there was another catastrophic terrorist 

attack in another country: Spain. On March 11, 2004, 191 people in 

Madrid were killed and over 1,800 injured when 10 backpack bombs 

exploded on four morning rush-hour commuter trains.



As with 9/11, "11-M" was the most devastating series of terrorist 

acts in Spanish history.

 

But Spain chose the path the U.S. rejected.



The Spanish government addressed the crimes of 11-M with the tools, 

techniques and resources of law enforcement. There was an 

investigation, arrests, a trial, and appeals. 



This process is today essentially complete.



Spain has demonstrated an effective alternative to war as a means of 

addressing and resolving the bloody horrors of terrorism. 



The Spanish example can thus help us make an educated guess at how 

things might have gone had the Bush administration not immediately 

and contemptuously rejected Kabir's offer of Oct. 14, 2001.



And while such an endeavor can't undo the past seven years, perhaps 

it can help us make a better choice next time our leaders tell us 

it's time for another war.



Here's how Spain did it.



Two days after the bombings, the police made their first arrests.

   

After a 25-month investigation, 29 people – 15 Moroccans, nine 

Spaniards, two Syrians, one Egyptian, one Algerian and one Lebanese – 

were indicted on April 11, 2006. The Madrid bombing trial opened on 

Feb. 15, 2007, and ended on July 2.

 

Four months later, on Oct. 31, 2007, the three-judge tribunal 

delivered the verdicts.



Three men were convicted of murder, attempted murder and committing 

terrorist acts. They were sentenced to thousands of years in prison 

each, although under Spanish law, none will serve longer than 40 

years. There is no capital punishment in Spain. 



Eighteen were found guilty of lesser offenses. Seven were acquitted. 

During the trial all charges were dropped against one of the 

defendants.



0n July 18 of this year, four of the sentences were overturned on 

appeal to the Supreme Court. Thus, in the

end, 17 out of the original 29 indicted have been convicted.



The Supreme Court also concluded that the real ringleaders of the 

crimes of 11-M were among seven suspects who, three weeks after the 

bombs exploded, blew themselves up in an apartment outside Madrid 

when a police assault began.



The U.S. experience and the Spanish experience are, of course, not 

identical. But there are arguably enough parallels to facilitate a 

comparison and enable some credible answers to the question: what if?



Parallels/Contrasts



Each (9/11 and 11-M) was the worst terrorist attack in the history of 

the country, inflicting massive, unprecedented, public physical and 

emotional trauma.



In both countries the attacks were brought about primarily by foreign 

Islamic terrorists.



Although many more people were killed on 9/11, taking into account 

the relative population sizes, the numbers come much closer: the U.S. 

su

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jan 12, 2009, at 8:53 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote:

> My experience is similar, though I doubt that I have told as many as
> you have told that I used to do TM.
>
> I sure would like to know the drop out rate.

95%.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "I am the eternal"
 wrote:
>
>
> 
> In my experience, mentioning that I do TM, the odds are excellent
that I'll
> hear something like "I used to do TM".  I have no clue how many
still do TM.
>   I haven't in my years of travel, work, mentioning to people that I
do TM,
> found another person who though initiated, do TM.  I do know that of the
> dozen or so people I sponsored to learn TM, not a single one still
practices
> it.  Of the dozen or so in my CIC group at the San Francisco Capital
of the
> Age of Enlightenment, perhaps two still do TM.  I still do but I'm
giving
> the initiator who learned TM in our group the benefit of the doubt.  How
> many people still do TM?  10,000?  Less?
> 

My experience is similar, though I doubt that I have told as many as
you have told that I used to do TM.  

I sure would like to know the drop out rate.  

[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:

> 
> Let's not forget the last study putsch: the TM is good for your heart  
> marketing campaign. Luckily the BBC caught them on that one, as did  
> some physicians reviews. But it makes me wonder: should someone be  
> pointing all this out to the NIH? Should the NIH sue for fraud and  
> deception? I mean, these are our tax dollars they are, quite  
> actually, stealing.
> 
> If you look at it, it's pretty clear what they're trying to do: cash  
> in on insurers who are already paying for treatments like MBCT for  
> depression. Once they can get into the medical system with their  
> product, they be able to rake in the $$$ with their over-inflated  
> mantra prices.

I  have done some letters to Senate and Congress regarding the NIH
Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine, which is a big
money pit for poor research.  I think it should be disbanded and
research money for alternative therapies needs to be tied to more
rigorous requirements. 
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[yifuxero]

---Precisely! I doubt that there are lots of Enlightened people out 
there.  
My approach is to select somebody whom I consider to be Enlightened:
Hsuan Hua (I attended his lectures on many occasions and was honored to 
eat at the same table as him).
Then, compare his statements with the many "Neo-Advaitins" who also 
claim Enlightenment. Then, I use my own powers of perception, limited 
as those tools are.
My conclusion is that there's a vast gulf between the "many" Neo-
Advaitins out there and the true state of Enlightenment.:
http://www.advite.com/sf/life/lifeindex.html



 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
>  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > millions of us learned TM, and the odds are excellent that there are
> > plenty of enlightened folks out there as a result. the thing about
> > TM and TMSP is that there is no requirement to practice in a group
> > or formally participate in a group.
> 
> Why would the odds be excellent?  Simply because a lot of people were
> taught TM tells us nothing about its effectiveness. 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[enlightened_dawn11]

because of the reliability, effectiveness and mechanical nature of the 
technique. like if you gave a million people a nail and a hammer and 
showed them how to hammer the nail into the wall. some would hit their 
thumbs, others would give up, but a good percentage would suceed. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
>  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > millions of us learned TM, and the odds are excellent that there 
are
> > plenty of enlightened folks out there as a result. the thing about
> > TM and TMSP is that there is no requirement to practice in a group
> > or formally participate in a group.
> 
> Why would the odds be excellent?  Simply because a lot of people were
> taught TM tells us nothing about its effectiveness. 
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[I am the eternal]

On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:07 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
>  wrote:
> >
> >
> > millions of us learned TM, and the odds are excellent that there are
> > plenty of enlightened folks out there as a result. the thing about
> > TM and TMSP is that there is no requirement to practice in a group
> > or formally participate in a group.
>
> Why would the odds be excellent?  Simply because a lot of people were
> taught TM tells us nothing about its effectiveness.
>

In my experience, mentioning that I do TM, the odds are excellent that I'll
hear something like "I used to do TM".  I have no clue how many still do TM.
  I haven't in my years of travel, work, mentioning to people that I do TM,
found another person who though initiated, do TM.  I do know that of the
dozen or so people I sponsored to learn TM, not a single one still practices
it.  Of the dozen or so in my CIC group at the San Francisco Capital of the
Age of Enlightenment, perhaps two still do TM.  I still do but I'm giving
the initiator who learned TM in our group the benefit of the doubt.  How
many people still do TM?  10,000?  Less?


Some people are like slinkies.  Not useful for much but they sure make you
laugh when you push them down the stairs.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Segway inventor deciding whether to pack it in or not

[gullible fool]

 
Further proof Segway's are way cool:
 
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm275155456/tt1114740

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1504283136/tt1114740
 
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm526813696/tt1114740
 
"Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only 
love." 
 
- Amma  

--- On Mon, 1/12/09, TurquoiseB  wrote:

From: TurquoiseB 
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Segway inventor deciding whether to pack it in or 
not
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 1:58 PM

As cute as they were, they are completely 
impractical even as a "city machine" because
1) you can't sit down on them and 2) there
is nowhere to stash what you buy if you take
them when you go shopping. 

In Sitges, where one could easily live just
fine without a car, but where you might want 
a little something other than leg power to
get around while shopping, there are any
number of alternative electric bikes. You
can sit down, they have baskets to store your
groceries, you can pedal them home if the
battery runs out, and they sell for one-tenth
the cost of a Segway.

Nerds. Some of them still believe that if you
build a better mousetrap the world will beat
a path to your door. Even the people who don't
have mice in their house will buy it because 
it's so cute.

Yeah, right.

On the other hand, I still like that the only
known human being to ever tip one over (they
are gyroscopically balanced to *keep* them
from tipping over) was George W. Bush. He
probably misunderestimated it.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "I am the eternal"
 wrote:
>
>
http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/worklife/01/12/entrepreneur.psychology/index.html
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/8uu7p4*
> 
> *I have a special feeling in my heart for the Segway.  One of
mocking.  When
> I walk alone or with friends in downtown Austin and spy the tour of
all 12
> Segways we have in Austin, I often double over laughing.
> 
> Why?  Because I remember reading with great anticipation how Dotcom
> billionaires were paying hundreds of millions to be part of the
thing that
> would make all cities obsolete.  I remember on Slashdot.org debating
with
> people what this fabulous gift to Humanity was going to be.  There were
> rumors that it was a scotter of sorts.  Of course we laughed at the
rumors.
> How could a scotter transform urban life?  The answer:  it can't and
it
> couldn't.  During the Dotcom days I was in Kansas City .  I got these
> constant calls from Living.com (wanting to sell furniture over the
> Internat), Drugstore.com and so many other Dotcoms.  They all offered me
> zillions in unpaid overtime, a couple thousand in real salary and
zillions
> in stock options.  I told them to call back when they could offer double
> what I was making.
> 
> I loved the Dotcom days because they were just so amusing.  I
received an
> email from someone who saw that I was in Kansas City.  He told me
how much
> he longed for KC, working as he did in his new home, San Jose, CA. 
I asked
> him if he negotiated a round trip move into his signon package.  He just
> didn't get why I was asking such a question.
> 
> Segway.  Real, palpable proof that I wasn't so stupid round about
the turn
> of the century after all.
>





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[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
 wrote:
>
> 
> millions of us learned TM, and the odds are excellent that there are
> plenty of enlightened folks out there as a result. the thing about
> TM and TMSP is that there is no requirement to practice in a group
> or formally participate in a group.

Why would the odds be excellent?  Simply because a lot of people were
taught TM tells us nothing about its effectiveness. 
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Richard M's post: Post of the Month!

[authfriend]

Hey, Shemp--

Pravda--the publication with the Ice Age
prediction--features all kinds of important
scientific  breakthroughs. Here's just a few
I found:

France unveils secret images of aliens and their spaceships

http://english.pravda.ru/photo/report/UFO-1584
http://tinyurl.com/9a8sd4

Dog gives birth to mutant creature that resembles human being

http://english.pravda.ru/photo/report/mutant-3050
http://tinyurl.com/yqk3yw

Hellish hairy sea monster cast ashore 

http://english.pravda.ru/photo/report/sea_monster-1816
http://tinyurl.com/4k8obs

Young woman grows ugly nipple on her foot

http://www.funreports.com/fun/20-03-2007/1502-nipple_foot-0
http://tinyurl.com/2laglu

Check 'em out!



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
wrote:

> > > Interesting.
> > > 
> > > Now we have even more reasons to not only
> > > continue but to ratchet up our use of
> > > fossil fuels.  We have to be responsible for
> > > the current and future generations and 
> > > counter-act the cold by making things as warms
> > > as possible.

> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Pravda:
> > > > 
> > > > Earth on the Brink of an Ice Age
> > > > 11.01.2009 Source: Pravda.Ru
> > > > URL: http://english.pravda.ru/science/earth/106922-
> earth_ice_age-0

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's Interpretation of the Rig Veda

[billy jim]

I was not present. My description came from that same friend who was present at 
Tahoe for some of those recording. We had a discussion at the time about where 
Maharishi could have obtained his meditation bija-mantras.

My friend and I knew something about mantra sourcing since we were both 
students of a remarkable European Buddhologist at collegetown. However, we only 
had Arthur Avaon and some other works on Tantric mantra. Thus we really 
couldn't determine more at the time.

As far as other individuals are concerned, according to my friend, there was a 
Mr. Barrel Wight present in L.A. in that era. He looked sort of scarry yet 
didn't seem to be speaking much at the time. My friend assumed he was engaging 
in the practice of silence but maybe he was just a stoner. I did know someone 
who liked to shoot smack and then do tm on the down. If I remember correctly 
that person did have a special mantra - hum hum hu mm mm uh uh. However, I 
don't believe his name was Barrel Wight, so it's all a dream to me.
   

[FairfieldLife] Re: visvamitra?

[enlightened_dawn11]

is that the best you can do, "vaj"? c'mon, that little ego of yours 
I AM SURE has some -covert- message for me...still feeling small? 
let's show everyone what you've got! arrogance, spite, anger and 
revulsion to the fore for "vaj"! do it dude.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Jan 12, 2009, at 7:34 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
> 
> > i see i hit a nerve with you "vaj". figures. all of your faux
> > compassion and buddhist principles turn nasty, as you seek 
through
> > mean spiritedness to reinvigorate your arrogance.
> >
> > can't hide behind showing me 'the truth', or some teacher you 
once
> > studied with. can't hide behind the feel good vibes of that last
> > meditation retreat, either.
> >
> > your ego can't fake it dude, and you reveal yourself now as just
> > another puffy little pissed off prick-  lol
> >
> > i'll clue you in just this once: the problem you are chronically
> > trying to solve has nothing to do with TM.
> 
> 
> Gee thanks Dawn. You should've been a therapist. You're just SO  
> insightful.
> 
> The only nerve you ever hit with me was the one that causes 
reverse  
> peristalsis.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: visvamitra?

[enlightened_dawn11]

yes, sri vyuha presents a unique path to Brahman, the death of the 
ego. he has written his voluminous materials to give the aspirant a 
clue to the path that he is specially offering to each of us, namely 
that the aspirant, the chela, will in fact die a divine death...of 
utter and complete boredom.-lol-

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "johnbloggs1080"  
wrote:
>
> anyone know who this guy is?
> 
> www.srivyuha.org
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: visvamitra?

[Vaj]

On Jan 12, 2009, at 7:34 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:

> i see i hit a nerve with you "vaj". figures. all of your faux
> compassion and buddhist principles turn nasty, as you seek through
> mean spiritedness to reinvigorate your arrogance.
>
> can't hide behind showing me 'the truth', or some teacher you once
> studied with. can't hide behind the feel good vibes of that last
> meditation retreat, either.
>
> your ego can't fake it dude, and you reveal yourself now as just
> another puffy little pissed off prick-  lol
>
> i'll clue you in just this once: the problem you are chronically
> trying to solve has nothing to do with TM.


Gee thanks Dawn. You should've been a therapist. You're just SO  
insightful.

The only nerve you ever hit with me was the one that causes reverse  
peristalsis.

[FairfieldLife] Re: visvamitra?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> A former or current THP marketeer. Welcome to the
> TM-EX spiritual supermarket!
> 
> It reeks of TM marketing doesn't it? Now you know
> why. TM teachers are programmed to, once they've
> moved on to other pastures, apply the same or
> similar marketing techniques on a similar marketing
> segment. Spiritual Materialism Is Us.

Bullshit. Marketing isn't unique to TM.

> This is one good example from this list. Another
> is Michael Dean Goodman who left after Sal reamed
> him a new asshole for letting his FF house fall
> into (allegedly) utter decrepitude.

Vaj is lying.

Michael Dean Goodman pops in and out of FFL very
briefly at intervals. He left four posts here, from
August to November 2007, after Sal made her post
about his house, so he didn't "leave" because of it.

 His scam has allowed  
> him to market himself as a tantric master and
> victimize many women. He's polyamorous by nature.
> Not sure if he does men.
> 
> Don't worry. He's in tune with natural law. Just
> please don't ask his ex-wife!
> 
> Man can he spiel the TM scam like no one I know!
> Judy just loves him. He's a hoot to listen to.

I've never "listened to" Michael, I certainly don't
"love" him, and I have no more idea than Vaj does
whether he's "victimized" women or whether his
counseling service is a scam. The service itself
doesn't seem to feature TM, in any case.

But he does write some of the clearest explanations
of MMY's teaching that I've ever read.

[FairfieldLife] Re: visvamitra?

[enlightened_dawn11]

i see i hit a nerve with you "vaj". figures. all of your faux 
compassion and buddhist principles turn nasty, as you seek through 
mean spiritedness to reinvigorate your arrogance. 

can't hide behind showing me 'the truth', or some teacher you once 
studied with. can't hide behind the feel good vibes of that last 
meditation retreat, either. 

your ego can't fake it dude, and you reveal yourself now as just 
another puffy little pissed off prick-  lol 

i'll clue you in just this once: the problem you are chronically 
trying to solve has nothing to do with TM. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> A former or current THP marketeer. Welcome to the TM-EX spiritual  
> supermarket!
> 
> It reeks of TM marketing doesn't it? Now you know why. TM teachers 
are  
> programmed to, once they've moved on to other pastures, apply the 
same  
> or similar marketing techniques on a similar marketing segment.  
> Spiritual Materialism Is Us.
> 
> This is one good example from this list. Another is Michael Dean  
> Goodman who left after Sal reamed him a new asshole for letting 
his FF  
> house fall into (allegedly) utter decrepitude. His scam has 
allowed  
> him to market himself as a tantric master and victimize many 
women.  
> He's polyamorous by nature. Not sure if he does men.
> 
> Don't worry. He's in tune with natural law. Just please don't ask 
his  
> ex-wife!
> 
> Man can he spiel the TM scam like no one I know! Judy just loves 
him.  
> He's a hoot to listen to.
> 
> 
> On Jan 12, 2009, at 6:45 PM, johnbloggs1080 wrote:
> 
> > anyone know who this guy is?
> >
> > www.srivyuha.org
>

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Re: [FairfieldLife] visvamitra?

[Vaj]

A former or current THP marketeer. Welcome to the TM-EX spiritual  
supermarket!


It reeks of TM marketing doesn't it? Now you know why. TM teachers are  
programmed to, once they've moved on to other pastures, apply the same  
or similar marketing techniques on a similar marketing segment.  
Spiritual Materialism Is Us.


This is one good example from this list. Another is Michael Dean  
Goodman who left after Sal reamed him a new asshole for letting his FF  
house fall into (allegedly) utter decrepitude. His scam has allowed  
him to market himself as a tantric master and victimize many women.  
He's polyamorous by nature. Not sure if he does men.


Don't worry. He's in tune with natural law. Just please don't ask his  
ex-wife!


Man can he spiel the TM scam like no one I know! Judy just loves him.  
He's a hoot to listen to.



On Jan 12, 2009, at 6:45 PM, johnbloggs1080 wrote:


anyone know who this guy is?

www.srivyuha.org

Re: [FairfieldLife] visvamitra?

[Peter]

X purusha guy who did one round too many. Now markets perfect knowledge.


--- On Mon, 1/12/09, johnbloggs1080  wrote:

> From: johnbloggs1080 
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] visvamitra?
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 6:45 PM
> anyone know who this guy is?
> 
> www.srivyuha.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[FairfieldLife] visvamitra?

[johnbloggs1080]

anyone know who this guy is?

www.srivyuha.org

[FairfieldLife] Group Conflict

[Arhata Osho]

The below are guidelines from another Yahoo Group.
Ahata




If you find that someone in our group rubs you the wrong way, someone 

who you find it difficult to deal with, then its certainly about you 

and not them. Yes this group will every once in awhile throw up 

someone who may be difficult. But for the most part, if anyone has a 

problem with someone, look to yourself first, instead of immediately 

placing the blame on him or her for being difficult, and the onus on 

them to change to make you feel better.



NOBODY is responsible for how you feel - YOU ARE!



If you make someone in this group responsible for how you feel, you 

give the other the power, and you can easily make yourself a victim 

to them. 



And yes there are people who bully and that is horrible. But the 

bottom line is still that you can either choose to be a victum to 

their communication styles or you can take charge of the exchange.

Up to you. Remember their are always consequences.



So one persons difficult person may be another persons friend. You 

might be the only person who does not get on with this  group member. 

alternatively you might be the only one who does.



You are always going to have difficult people in your life. You'll 

find difficult people, someone else will find you difficult. However, 

with a bit of practice you can ensure that they dont rule your 

postings and sharings in our beautiful group Loving Osho, where 

opportunities to look at ourselves will most likely be presented.



Love

Kartar




  






 

















  

[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[enlightened_dawn11]

"vaj", would you like some cheese with that whine?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Jan 12, 2009, at 5:18 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
> 
> > Most Buddhist's are too busy catering to threir own egos and 
pride  
> > than to probe into the possebility of Freedom and Enlightenment  
> > through TM.
> >
> > Just ask "Vaj"
> >
> Ask me?
> 
> I find most TMers claiming "enlightenment" to be some of the most  
> egocentric people I've ever met, either overtly or (more often)  
> covertly.
> 
> I suspect Buddhists claiming to be Buddhas--and oh so willing to 
tell  
> everyone about it--would be the very same way. So I do suspect 
there'd  
> be some great similarities Nabby.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self CPR

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Arhata Osho
 wrote:
>
[snip]

http://www.snopes.com/medical/homecure/coughcpr.asp

[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[enlightened_dawn11]

speaking of cars i saw a bumper sticker today that reminded me of 
you-- it said "if only people with closed minds also had closed 
mouths".

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Jan 12, 2009, at 4:20 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
> 
> > the only thing i am stating is that the practice of TM results in
> > full enlightenment. this isn't a contest or a claim- it is a
> > statement of fact.
> 
> 
> Unfortunately Dawn just claiming to be special isn't very 
convincing.  
> Nor is saying you feel "in tune" with nature. Will you still feel 
that  
> way when you run over a squirrel with your car? Are will you just  
> frame it as enacting god's will?
> 
> Now go on YouTube hermetically sealed in an airtight glass 
enclosure,  
> enter samadhi and we'll let you out in a couple of days. Then we 
can  
> talk. :-)
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[enlightened_dawn11]

"lemmings to the sea of consciousness". Yes, personally I like that, 
and agree with it completely.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Jan 12, 2009, at 3:54 PM, yifuxero wrote:
> 
> > ---1. This is to vague to be the sole objective criterion of
> > Enlightenment: "when i say that i equate enlightenment with 
being in
> > tune with nature"
> >
> > 2. It's virtually a useless/hopeless endeavor to make a claim for
> > Enlightenment in the context of what MMY taught, since he rarely 
if
> > ever used that term.
> >
> > 3.  Since the term "Enlightenment" is for the most part derived 
from
> > Buddhism, which Buddhist School does the claimant conform to, and
> > which particular set of definitions?
> >
> > 4. Since this form is generally oriented to (pro or con) MMY, 
Guru
> > Dev; etc, and MMY used the terms CC, GC, and UC, claimants to 
those
> > states of awareness should first not use the 
term "Enlightenment" but
> > rather CC, GC, or UC.
> > Next, they should briefly (imo) list the criteria MMY has 
mentioned
> > regarding those states, then it's OK to say something like:
> > "I'm in CC (whatever) because what I experience matches MMY's
> > descriptions of those states".
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The only thing I would add is:
> 
> --you should include the traditional criteria for Turiyatita 
(CC),  
> Bhagavad Chetana (GC), and Brahman Chetana (UC). Also keep in 
mind, TM  
> ONLY corresponds to turiyatita. The other two correspond to other  
> darshanas (i.e. Bhakti Vaishnavism and Advaita Vedanta). This is 
not,  
> as far as I am aware, ever explained to TM/TMSP practitioners. 
Most  
> people just seem to "go along with it" (i.e. believe what they 
are  
> told), lemmings to the sea of consciousness. :-)
>

[FairfieldLife] Weakest Housing Markets

[Arhata Osho]

Jan 12, 2009




Weakest housing markets 
Nearly 96% of all homes in one hard-hit large city are losing value. » More 
foreclosures inevitable


http://www.freedomofspeech.netfirms.com/


  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[Vaj]

On Jan 12, 2009, at 5:18 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote:

> Most Buddhist's are too busy catering to threir own egos and pride  
> than to probe into the possebility of Freedom and Enlightenment  
> through TM.
>
> Just ask "Vaj"
>
Ask me?

I find most TMers claiming "enlightenment" to be some of the most  
egocentric people I've ever met, either overtly or (more often)  
covertly.

I suspect Buddhists claiming to be Buddhas--and oh so willing to tell  
everyone about it--would be the very same way. So I do suspect there'd  
be some great similarities Nabby.

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's Interpretation of the Rig Veda

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, billy jim  wrote:
> 
> As a point of fact, Brahmarshi agreed with MMY about the 
foundational importance of the the first word, first line and the 
first hymn. However, this was before Maharishi presented in detail 
his sprout-seed-leaf-branch-tree analogy.
> 
> Those recordings were our first chance as westerners to steal the 
Veda by copying Brahmarshi's recording and practicing the chhandas by 
directly hearing them from this remarkable mahapandit. Since non 
twice-born and Mlechhas like me were killed in the old days just for 
hearing the Veda, I guess we blew our chances in those few months.
> 
> On a humorous note: a friend of mine tried to play a recording from 
it at my home in collegetown but the tape tangled and self-destructed 
during the attempt. He was sure this incident proved we were being 
punished by "natural law". My feeling was different because I was 
less superstitious. Later I realized with some certainty that we 
simply screwed up by using old equipment.
> 
> And as far as punishing laws of nature ... ppffuu. Manu smanu.
> Dharmaphalas? ... ppffuuhhh. Ekajati no longer cuts the arortas of 
transgressors. 
> 
> Even more to the point - considering 6 million jews in the Shoah 
and 10-20 million christians in Stalin's democide we can only 
conclude that dead daimons can't kick ass. 
> 
> What's left? Just those little devabijaksharas on Brahmarshi't fan 
folds.
> As they say here in mudville ... them is the real it.

Interesting story and nicely written. Where you also present in LA 
when Barry Wright was kicked out of the Movement for security 
reasons ?

[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
> -snip-
>
> > Don't try to hide your intellectual dishonesty and obfuscation
> behind
> > ad hominems Dawn.
> >
> wtf? the thing you fail to realize about TM is that not all of us
> practicing the technique, and gaining enlightenment from it, are
> speaking and thinking in lockstep. there is no such requirement in
> order to do the technique properly, and gain the world from its
> practice.
>
> in fact i don't personally know -any- TMers who think and speak in
> terms of the ideas you laid out earlier. All of us have taken the
> teaching to heart and just go about our lives using the technique
> successfully. sorry- lol
>
> when i say that i equate enlightenment with being in tune with
> nature, that is my experience and that is what i mean. there is
> nothing dishonest about that. i just don't think in terms
> of "Natural Law" or dharma, or the laws of manu. maybe you know some
> TMers who do, but i am not one of them.
>
> as to my comment about your evasiveness, it is because you are
> avoiding answering my earlier question. i'll try again:
>
> as to the supreme satisfaction derived from a continuous state of
> samadhi, and therefore no need to preach, or shout it from the
> rooftops, what do you say about that?
>
> millions of us learned TM, and the odds are excellent that there are
> plenty of enlightened folks out there as a result. the thing about
> TM and TMSP is that there is no requirement to practice in a group
> or formally participate in a group.



Most Buddhist's are too busy catering to threir own egos and pride than
to probe into the possebility of Freedom and Enlightenment through TM.

Just ask "Vaj"




>

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's Interpretation of the Rig Veda

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:

> I've often wondered what happened to the Devarats.
> That was one of MMY's great suits, he could hunt
> down and find the best gurus, pandits and vaidyas.

Hmm, wonder why all these top guys were willing to
work with MMY if he was such a know-nothing clown?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's Interpretation of the Rig Veda

[Vaj]

On Jan 12, 2009, at 4:39 PM, billy jim wrote:



Vaj ... "My take on his whole "Rig Ved" spiel was it was what he  
purloined

from the father-son Vedic chanting duo he used to hang with"

That was Mahapandit Brahmarshi Devaratji and his son.

He was the pandit with the fan that had various devabijakshara on  
the fan folds. During the Tahoe Rig recordings (in-between  
recitations) someone asked him about the symbols on the fan. He  
verbally repeated them for the audience ... and many of them were  
the bijas used for the tm practice.


Yep, that's the guys. These pundits have long commentaries on all the  
words and verses of Rig Veda, they just have yet to hit the west.  
Given the grim way the world is turning, there could be a lot that is  
lost. Most of the tantras and agamas have yet to be translated and  
some contain the basis of what was to become the Vaishnavite-tinged  
Bhagavad-Gita, a "borrowed" work.


I've often wondered what happened to the Devarats. That was one of  
MMY's great suits, he could hunt down and find the best gurus, pandits  
and vaidyas.

[FairfieldLife] Took "only" 26 years!

[cardemaister]

http://tinyurl.com/799xd2

Rubik's Cube finally solved after 26 years by avid fan
Puzzle fan Graham Parker has finally solved his Rubik's Cube - after
26 years' worth of attempts.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bacon! Bacon! Bacon!

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 
 wrote:
>
> funny that the topic of bacon should resound here today so loudly. 
i 
> cooked up about twenty strips on Sunday. (bake for ~15 min at 400, 
> remove pan and pour off fat, then back into the oven for another 
~10 
> min at 350--) no fat spatters on the stove, or danger of grease 
> burns. also, the bacon comes out perfectly cooked.
> 
> my take on the whole low fat craze is that we as americans 
> habitually overeat, eating when we are no longer hungry. i also 
> suspect that corporations have set huge portions for us because the 
> more they serve, the more they can charge per meal. 
> 
> i eat whatever i want, but when i am full, i am done.
> 





45 years ago I worked at a White Castle in New Orleans on the 
midnite - 8AM shift, which allowed me to fix and eat whatever I liked 
in my pre-veggie days. I used to put a whole pound of bacon in the 
french fryer -- absolutely the best way to prep bacon, but really 
pissed off the managers as it burned up the fryer grease, so they 
said. Hundreds of rednecks burn down their trailers these days by 
deep frying turkeys, so I was ahead of my time...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[Vaj]

On Jan 12, 2009, at 4:20 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:

> the only thing i am stating is that the practice of TM results in
> full enlightenment. this isn't a contest or a claim- it is a
> statement of fact.


Unfortunately Dawn just claiming to be special isn't very convincing.  
Nor is saying you feel "in tune" with nature. Will you still feel that  
way when you run over a squirrel with your car? Are will you just  
frame it as enacting god's will?

Now go on YouTube hermetically sealed in an airtight glass enclosure,  
enter samadhi and we'll let you out in a couple of days. Then we can  
talk. :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's Interpretation of the Rig Veda

[billy jim]

 Vaj ... "My take on his whole "Rig Ved" spiel was it was what he purloined  
 from the father-son Vedic chanting duo he used to hang with"

That was Mahapandit Brahmarshi Devaratji and his son. 

He was the pandit with the fan that had various devabijakshara on the fan 
folds. During the Tahoe Rig recordings (in-between recitations) someone asked 
him about the symbols on the fan. He verbally repeated them for the audience 
... and many of them were the bijas used for the tm practice.

As a point of fact, Brahmarshi agreed with MMY about the foundational 
importance of the the first word, first line and the first hymn. However, this 
was before Maharishi presented in detail his sprout-seed-leaf-branch-tree 
analogy.

Those recordings were our first chance as westerners to steal the Veda by 
copying Brahmarshi's recording and practicing the chhandas by directly hearing 
them from this remarkable mahapandit. Since non twice-born and Mlechhas like me 
were killed in the old days just for hearing the Veda, I guess we blew our 
chances in those few months.

On a humorous note: a friend of mine tried to play a recording from it at my 
home in collegetown but the tape tangled and self-destructed during the 
attempt. He was sure this incident proved we were being punished by "natural 
law". My feeling was different because I was less superstitious. Later I 
realized with some certainty that we simply screwed up by using old equipment.

And as far as punishing laws of nature ... ppffuu. Manu smanu.
Dharmaphalas? ... ppffuuhhh. Ekajati no longer cuts the arortas of 
transgressors. 

Even more to the point - considering 6 million jews in the Shoah and 10-20 
million christians in Stalin's democide we can only conclude that dead daimons 
can't kick ass. 

What's left? Just those little devabijaksharas on Brahmarshi't fan folds.
As they say here in mudville ... them is the real it.

 








   

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interested in learning Sanskrit?

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> cardemaister wrote:
> > In case you are interested in learning Sanskrit,
> > I think I can recommend Thomas Egenes' Introduction
> > to Sanskrit Part One. I got Part Two a couple of
> > Xmas ago. Just started reading it more systematically,
> > or stuff. It's IMO very well written from the didactic(?)
> > POV.
> In the US, the American Sanskrit Institute has weekend workshops that 
> will get you started.  I bought their full cassette course years ago
and 
> found it very useful.
> http://www.americansanskrit.com/learn/classes.php
>

Cool! Thanks! :D

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[Vaj]

On Jan 12, 2009, at 3:54 PM, yifuxero wrote:

> ---1. This is to vague to be the sole objective criterion of
> Enlightenment: "when i say that i equate enlightenment with being in
> tune with nature"
>
> 2. It's virtually a useless/hopeless endeavor to make a claim for
> Enlightenment in the context of what MMY taught, since he rarely if
> ever used that term.
>
> 3.  Since the term "Enlightenment" is for the most part derived from
> Buddhism, which Buddhist School does the claimant conform to, and
> which particular set of definitions?
>
> 4. Since this form is generally oriented to (pro or con) MMY, Guru
> Dev; etc, and MMY used the terms CC, GC, and UC, claimants to those
> states of awareness should first not use the term "Enlightenment" but
> rather CC, GC, or UC.
> Next, they should briefly (imo) list the criteria MMY has mentioned
> regarding those states, then it's OK to say something like:
> "I'm in CC (whatever) because what I experience matches MMY's
> descriptions of those states".




The only thing I would add is:

--you should include the traditional criteria for Turiyatita (CC),  
Bhagavad Chetana (GC), and Brahman Chetana (UC). Also keep in mind, TM  
ONLY corresponds to turiyatita. The other two correspond to other  
darshanas (i.e. Bhakti Vaishnavism and Advaita Vedanta). This is not,  
as far as I am aware, ever explained to TM/TMSP practitioners. Most  
people just seem to "go along with it" (i.e. believe what they are  
told), lemmings to the sea of consciousness. :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[enlightened_dawn11]

the only thing i am stating is that the practice of TM results in 
full enlightenment. this isn't a contest or a claim- it is a 
statement of fact.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  
wrote:
>
> ---1. This is to vague to be the sole objective criterion of 
> Enlightenment: "when i say that i equate enlightenment with being 
in 
> tune with nature"
> 
> 2. It's virtually a useless/hopeless endeavor to make a claim for 
> Enlightenment in the context of what MMY taught, since he rarely 
if 
> ever used that term.
> 
> 3.  Since the term "Enlightenment" is for the most part derived 
from 
> Buddhism, which Buddhist School does the claimant conform to, and 
> which particular set of definitions?
> 
> 4. Since this form is generally oriented to (pro or con) MMY, Guru 
> Dev; etc, and MMY used the terms CC, GC, and UC, claimants to 
those 
> states of awareness should first not use the term "Enlightenment" 
but 
> rather CC, GC, or UC.
>  Next, they should briefly (imo) list the criteria MMY has 
mentioned 
> regarding those states, then it's OK to say something like:
>  "I'm in CC (whatever) because what I experience matches MMY's 
> descriptions of those states".
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Jan 12, 2009, at 2:35 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > > -snip-
> > >
> > >> Don't try to hide your intellectual dishonesty and obfuscation
> > > behind
> > >> ad hominems Dawn.
> > >>
> > > wtf? the thing you fail to realize about TM is that not all of 
us
> > > practicing the technique, and gaining enlightenment from it, 
are
> > > speaking and thinking in lockstep. there is no such 
requirement in
> > > order to do the technique properly, and gain the world from its
> > > practice.
> > >
> > > in fact i don't personally know -any- TMers who think and 
speak in
> > > terms of the ideas you laid out earlier. All of us have taken 
the
> > > teaching to heart and just go about our lives using the 
technique
> > > successfully. sorry- lol
> > >
> > > when i say that i equate enlightenment with being in tune with
> > > nature, that is my experience and that is what i mean. there is
> > > nothing dishonest about that. i just don't think in terms
> > > of "Natural Law" or dharma, or the laws of manu. maybe you 
know 
> some
> > > TMers who do, but i am not one of them.
> > 
> > Well, unfortunately, that's apparently what the Hindu tradition 
> feels  
> > it means and whether or not you realize that is what you 
> attempting  
> > to parrot from TM dogma, it clearly is. People have been 
parroting  
> > that dogma for years my dear. It's always "their experience". 
> Usually  
> > when you inquire further the answer becomes "well, it's very 
> subtle"  
> > or some similarly parsed schlock.
> > 
> > > as to my comment about your evasiveness, it is because you are
> > > avoiding answering my earlier question. i'll try again:
> > >
> > > as to the supreme satisfaction derived from a continuous state 
of
> > > samadhi, and therefore no need to preach, or shout it from the
> > > rooftops, what do you say about that?
> > 
> > I don't buy it. If the TMO had one person in such a state, 
they'd 
> be  
> > marketing the hell out of it to sell more product. Actually, 
they  
> > already HAVE tried it! So there's no reason, based on their 
past  
> > performance, they wouldn't try the same thing over again. If in 
> fact  
> > such a person existed who could, say, go into samadhi for just 
3  
> > hours like has now been replicated in other yogis, it'd be such 
a  
> > media sensation people WOULD want to hear about it.
> > 
> > It's always good to have real evidence to back up your claims.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> On Jan 12, 2009, at 2:35 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:

> > when i say that i equate enlightenment with being
> > in tune with nature, that is my experience and
> > that is what i mean. there is nothing dishonest
> > about that. i just don't think in terms of
> > "Natural Law" or dharma, or the laws of manu. maybe
> > you know some TMers who do, but i am not one of them.
> 
> Well, unfortunately, that's apparently what the Hindu
> tradition feels it means and whether or not you realize
> that is what you attempting to parrot from TM dogma,
> it clearly is. People have been parroting that dogma
> for years my dear.

That's absurd. Hindus don't have a patent on the
experience of "being in tune with nature"; it's been
reported throughout history and across cultures, and
there's no earthly reason to assume ed11 is 
"attempting to parrot" it from "TM dogma" when she
says that is her experience.

> It's always "their experience".

What the hell else would it be?

 Usually  
> when you inquire further the answer becomes "well,
> it's very subtle" or some similarly parsed schlock.

But ed11 didn't say that, did she? Nor did you
inquire further.

> > as to my comment about your evasiveness, it is
> > because you are avoiding answering my earlier
> > question.

Typical with Vaj.

> > i'll try again:
> >
> > as to the supreme satisfaction derived from a
> > continuous state of samadhi, and therefore no
> > need to preach, or shout it from the rooftops,
> > what do you say about that?
> 
> I don't buy it. If the TMO had one person in such
> a state,

That they *knew* about. That's ed11's point,
sweetie poops.

 they'd be  
> marketing the hell out of it to sell more product.
> Actually, they already HAVE tried it!

And when was this?

 So there's no reason, based on their past  
> performance, they wouldn't try the same thing
> over again. If in fact such a person existed
> who could, say, go into samadhi for just 3  
> hours like has now been replicated in other
> yogis, it'd be such a media sensation people
> WOULD want to hear about it.

So why haven't people heard about it, Vaj, if
there are all these "other yogis" who can do it?

In fact, the TMO would be very unlikely to make
a big deal of it; nor would the media be
interested if they did, at least in the West.
TM's market isn't people who are yearning to be
able to go into samadhi for three hours; it's
those who want to sleep better, have more energy,
be more productive, be healthier, etc., etc.

> It's always good to have real evidence to back
> up your claims.

She didn't make any claims that are subject to
evidence, nitwit. She's talking about her
subjective experience.

[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[enlightened_dawn11]

there doesn't seem to be anything i can say to you in plain english 
that you will take at face value. your stock answer is that you 
don't buy it. OK-- but don't think you come across as credible - as 
the expression goes, you can lead a Buddhist to water but you can't 
make him drink. well, here's the H2O. 

the practice of TM does in fact result in enlightenment; continuous 
samadhi 24/7, an enlightenment every bit as substantial, real and 
practical as that achieved through any other practice.

you say the TMO would market the hell out of anyone they found that 
was enlightened. i replied to an earlier poster that the TMO would 
have to find them first :). us run of the mill TMers like the 
knowledge and practice because we can integrate it perfectly into 
our various daily lives, without interference. 

just because you find that inconvenient in terms of your strong bias 
against TM and the Maharishi doesn't change a thing.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
-snip- People have been parroting  
> that dogma for years my dear. It's always "their experience". 
Usually  
> when you inquire further the answer becomes "well, it's very 
subtle"  
> or some similarly parsed schlock.
> 
> > as to my comment about your evasiveness, it is because you are
> > avoiding answering my earlier question. i'll try again:
> >
> > as to the supreme satisfaction derived from a continuous state of
> > samadhi, and therefore no need to preach, or shout it from the
> > rooftops, what do you say about that?
> 
> I don't buy it. If the TMO had one person in such a state, they'd 
be  
> marketing the hell out of it to sell more product. Actually, they  
> already HAVE tried it! So there's no reason, based on their past  
> performance, they wouldn't try the same thing over again. If in 
fact  
> such a person existed who could, say, go into samadhi for just 3  
> hours like has now been replicated in other yogis, it'd be such a  
> media sensation people WOULD want to hear about it.
> 
> It's always good to have real evidence to back up your claims.
>

[FairfieldLife] Letterman - Dick Cheney Lie Count

[do.rflex]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw-jNBKg57E 

[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Jan 12, 2009, at 2:35 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > -snip-
> >
> >> Don't try to hide your intellectual dishonesty and obfuscation
> > behind
> >> ad hominems Dawn.
> >>
> > wtf? the thing you fail to realize about TM is that not all of us
> > practicing the technique, and gaining enlightenment from it, are
> > speaking and thinking in lockstep. there is no such requirement in
> > order to do the technique properly, and gain the world from its
> > practice.
> >
> > in fact i don't personally know -any- TMers who think and speak in
> > terms of the ideas you laid out earlier. All of us have taken the
> > teaching to heart and just go about our lives using the technique
> > successfully. sorry- lol
> >
> > when i say that i equate enlightenment with being in tune with
> > nature, that is my experience and that is what i mean. there is
> > nothing dishonest about that. i just don't think in terms
> > of "Natural Law" or dharma, or the laws of manu. maybe you know some
> > TMers who do, but i am not one of them.
> 
> Well, unfortunately, that's apparently what the Hindu tradition feels  
> it means and whether or not you realize that is what you attempting  
> to parrot from TM dogma, it clearly is. People have been parroting  
> that dogma for years my dear. It's always "their experience". Usually  
> when you inquire further the answer becomes "well, it's very subtle"  
> or some similarly parsed schlock.
> 
> > as to my comment about your evasiveness, it is because you are
> > avoiding answering my earlier question. i'll try again:
> >
> > as to the supreme satisfaction derived from a continuous state of
> > samadhi, and therefore no need to preach, or shout it from the
> > rooftops, what do you say about that?
> 
> I don't buy it. If the TMO had one person in such a state, they'd be  
> marketing the hell out of it to sell more product. Actually, they  
> already HAVE tried it! So there's no reason, based on their past  
> performance, they wouldn't try the same thing over again. If in fact  
> such a person existed who could, say, go into samadhi for just 3  
> hours like has now been replicated in other yogis, it'd be such a  
> media sensation people WOULD want to hear about it.
> 
> It's always good to have real evidence to back up your claims.
>


WEll, as I have pointed out many times, they DO market the hell out of it,
but you don't accept their marketing definitions.


There is a woman who enters samadhi for up to a minute at a time, for 
up to 50% of the total time she spends meditating. Two different studies 
mention her. Ironically, the researchers you like to cite don't read original
research and instead read people who misquote the original research,
so the criteria for breath suspension according to Austin, as picked up
by your favorite Buddhist researchers, becomes 15 seconds in samadhi,
instead of 15-60 seconds samadhi.

Likewise, the research on people who report transcendental consciousness
24/7 gets warped as well since its reported via telephone effect instead of
researchers going back and reading the original study.


Oh well...


L.

[FairfieldLife] Israel Admits: No Hamas Rockets during Ceasefire - what the hell!

[Arhata Osho]

LIES got US into war as well, and only the TRUTH will get us OUT!



By deception thou shalt do war

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[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[yifuxero]

---1. This is to vague to be the sole objective criterion of 
Enlightenment: "when i say that i equate enlightenment with being in 
tune with nature"

2. It's virtually a useless/hopeless endeavor to make a claim for 
Enlightenment in the context of what MMY taught, since he rarely if 
ever used that term.

3.  Since the term "Enlightenment" is for the most part derived from 
Buddhism, which Buddhist School does the claimant conform to, and 
which particular set of definitions?

4. Since this form is generally oriented to (pro or con) MMY, Guru 
Dev; etc, and MMY used the terms CC, GC, and UC, claimants to those 
states of awareness should first not use the term "Enlightenment" but 
rather CC, GC, or UC.
 Next, they should briefly (imo) list the criteria MMY has mentioned 
regarding those states, then it's OK to say something like:
 "I'm in CC (whatever) because what I experience matches MMY's 
descriptions of those states".


 




 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Jan 12, 2009, at 2:35 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > -snip-
> >
> >> Don't try to hide your intellectual dishonesty and obfuscation
> > behind
> >> ad hominems Dawn.
> >>
> > wtf? the thing you fail to realize about TM is that not all of us
> > practicing the technique, and gaining enlightenment from it, are
> > speaking and thinking in lockstep. there is no such requirement in
> > order to do the technique properly, and gain the world from its
> > practice.
> >
> > in fact i don't personally know -any- TMers who think and speak in
> > terms of the ideas you laid out earlier. All of us have taken the
> > teaching to heart and just go about our lives using the technique
> > successfully. sorry- lol
> >
> > when i say that i equate enlightenment with being in tune with
> > nature, that is my experience and that is what i mean. there is
> > nothing dishonest about that. i just don't think in terms
> > of "Natural Law" or dharma, or the laws of manu. maybe you know 
some
> > TMers who do, but i am not one of them.
> 
> Well, unfortunately, that's apparently what the Hindu tradition 
feels  
> it means and whether or not you realize that is what you 
attempting  
> to parrot from TM dogma, it clearly is. People have been parroting  
> that dogma for years my dear. It's always "their experience". 
Usually  
> when you inquire further the answer becomes "well, it's very 
subtle"  
> or some similarly parsed schlock.
> 
> > as to my comment about your evasiveness, it is because you are
> > avoiding answering my earlier question. i'll try again:
> >
> > as to the supreme satisfaction derived from a continuous state of
> > samadhi, and therefore no need to preach, or shout it from the
> > rooftops, what do you say about that?
> 
> I don't buy it. If the TMO had one person in such a state, they'd 
be  
> marketing the hell out of it to sell more product. Actually, they  
> already HAVE tried it! So there's no reason, based on their past  
> performance, they wouldn't try the same thing over again. If in 
fact  
> such a person existed who could, say, go into samadhi for just 3  
> hours like has now been replicated in other yogis, it'd be such a  
> media sensation people WOULD want to hear about it.
> 
> It's always good to have real evidence to back up your claims.
>

[FairfieldLife] Humboldt County #1 in California. . .

[Marek Reavis]

in shark attacks.  Bummer.

But all in all, only about a dozen or so in the last 18 years, and 
everyone survived.

http://www.times-standard.com/ci_11433846?source=most_viewed

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: From Shemp's Buddies over at....

[Bhairitu]

Sal Sunshine wrote:
> On Jan 12, 2009, at 2:16 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
>
>   
>> After freezing our buns off in the Bay Area for about the last two
>> months we finally have some warm weather.
>> 
>
> Aw, boo hoo.  I have a funny feeling you guys don't know
> what "cold" is.
>
> Sal
Not this, guy.  I grew up in the Northwest with 2 foot snow drifts and 
driving to work in sub zero temperatures with studded tires on icy 
roads.  You can have the cold all you want.  I would like to move to the 
tropics where it is in the 80's all year round but if there is going to 
be an "ice age" they'll probably ban immigration to a lot of those 
countries.  No wonder Bush bought a ranch in Paraguay.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: From Shemp's Buddies over at....

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jan 12, 2009, at 2:16 PM, Bhairitu wrote:

> After freezing our buns off in the Bay Area for about the last two
> months we finally have some warm weather.

Aw, boo hoo.  I have a funny feeling you guys don't know
what "cold" is.

Sal

Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY's Interpretation of the Rig Veda

[I am the eternal]

On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Vaj  wrote:

>
>
> But the sad thing is God Almighty / El Shaddai such shenanigans detract and
> diminish the actual commentaries on Rig veda which do exist. Once you make
> something SO silly, how do you expect anyone to take it seriously? Not
> everything was designed to be sold or used as a marketing mythos.
>  
>

Vaj,  I made it clear when I started posting heavily that my reference to El
Shaddai/God Almighty, is that as the Fundy song El Shaddai goes, I adore God
Almighty. I see God Almighty all working through me and being in me.  I am
merely an instrument through which God Almightly sees the world and works in
the world, as are you, in my experience.  It's not a belief.  It's as clear
and personal as the back of my hand.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: From Shemp's Buddies over at....

[Bhairitu]

After freezing our buns off in the Bay Area for about the last two 
months we finally have some warm weather.  It was almost warm enough to 
take my morning walk in shorts.  That's fine as long as we get some rain 
so the water tables stay up and my doors open and close smoothly.

Shemp, the Democrats in the California assembly has actually proposed an 
extra tax if you have a hybrid because they use less gas.  Sort of 
misses the point of owning a hybrid.  But I didn't know you were such a 
Democrat. :-D

shempmcgurk wrote:
> Interesting.
>
> Now we have even more reasons to not only continue but to ratchet up 
> our use of fossil fuels.  We have to be responsible for the current 
> and future generations and counter-act the cold by making things as 
> warms as possible.
>
> There should be a de-carbon tax on all modes of energy usage.  For 
> example, any car, such as the Prius, that gets over 30 miles per 
> gallon should have $2.00 per gallon added at the pump.  Registration 
> should have an extra $500.00 annually added to the cost.
>
> All nuclear, windmill, solar, and natural gas projects should be 
> taxed at 150% and Exxon and every other oil company be given a 50% 
> tax credit so that, effectively, they have no corporate income tax.
>
> Any home caught with a thermostat set below 78 degrees in winter and 
> above 68 degrees in summer will be fined $2,000.00.
>
> And so on.
>   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Interested in learning Sanskrit?

[Vaj]

On Jan 12, 2009, at 2:53 PM, Bhairitu wrote:


cardemaister wrote:

In case you are interested in learning Sanskrit,
I think I can recommend Thomas Egenes' Introduction
to Sanskrit Part One. I got Part Two a couple of
Xmas ago. Just started reading it more systematically,
or stuff. It's IMO very well written from the didactic(?)
POV.

In the US, the American Sanskrit Institute has weekend workshops that
will get you started.  I bought their full cassette course years  
ago and

found it very useful.
http://www.americansanskrit.com/learn/classes.php



I took their immersion class in an Ashram setting, it was not only  
excellent, it was one of the best learning experiences I've ever had.  
He takes you to the level where the letters are just a form of play-- 
and you just absorb the material so easily. And you have a lot of  
fun. There were educators there just for the learning experience and  
the way he taught the material.


I have a copy of Egenes' course. It was adequate and he obviously put  
some thought into it (nice guy too), but nothing to write home about.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Golden Globe Nominations

[Bhairitu]

"Slumdog Millionaire" was great but I am also a fan of Danny Boyle's 
work including "Trainspotting" and "Sunshine."  The latter is too "dark" 
for many people but I thought it had a very profound spiritual message.  
I've seen the trailer for "The Wrestler" and think I'll take it in this 
week since it is at the local art house.  Since I liked "Mad Men" I may 
have to take a look see at "Revolutionary Road" even though the trailers 
didn't do anything for me.  Or then I can just wait for the Blu-Ray 
releases.

Speaking  of which the local Fry's has been having blowouts on some of 
the HD-DVD titles they have.  I picked up the first season of 
"Battlestar Gallactica" on HD-DVD for $15.

You might want check out a little film called "The Wackness" with Ben 
Kingsley and Famke Janssen.  The Kingsley role appears to be written for 
Harvey Keitel so it is Ben Kingsley playing the role as Keitel would.  
This is a "coming of age" film that takes place in 1994.

 
TurquoiseB wrote:
> http://www.goldenglobes.org/nominations/
>
> I only got 62% correct. On the one hand, that
> doesn't put me in the same category of "accurate
> predictions" as Lou Valentino's claim of "85% 
> accuracy." On the other hand, I didn't have to
> go back and edit my predictions after the fact
> the way Lou does to score as highly as I did, 
> and I don't have to live with being a charlatan,
> so I guess it all balances out.  :-)
>
> The sweep by "Slumdog Millionaire" doesn't 
> surprise me. Giving any recognition at all to 
> "Revolutionary Road" does. I guess there are
> critics out there whose lives are even more
> painful and tedious and boring than the ones
> in the film, so the movie looked like a "step
> up" to them.
>
> I think it may be related in some way to "Mad
> Men" winning Best TV Drama. Same painful and
> tedious and boring lives, every week. Yes,
> it's an interesting series in some ways, but
> what I think *appeals* to people in "Revol-
> utionary Road" and "Mad Men" is nostalgia
> for the era of the 1950s and early 1960s 
> where the worst that Americans had to worry
> about was that their perfect lives in the
> perfect home in the perfect suburbs might not 
> be quite as perfect as advertised. 
>
> Now they have to worry about being homeless
> or starving. Painful, tedious, and boring
> in Fantasyland are starting to look good to 
> people faced with the alternative of reality
> in America.
>   

Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY's Interpretation of the Rig Veda

[Vaj]

On Jan 12, 2009, at 2:38 PM, I am the eternal wrote:


On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Vaj  wrote:



They've already talked about this. It's mentioned in the Unified  
Field chart for Ayurveda, which contains an alleged formula for the  
5 tanmatras. Not that anyone but they believe in it. Kinda silly  
really.


My take on his whole "Rig Ved" spiel was it was what he purloined  
from the father-son Vedic chanting duo he used to hang with, along  
with his intellectual interests garnered from hanging around actual  
physicists. As it turns out, the whole AGNI thing is not his. There  
are huge compendia of analyses on Rig Vedic words, phrases and  
their meaning. These are still just barely being preserved by  
traditional pundit families. Much of it is committed to writing but  
none of it, as far as I am aware, has been translated into English  
yet.


If someone wanted to be really enterprising and helpful, they could  
start or fund a translation project to preserve these texts.

_


Maharishi was the Great Promoter.  Had few if any original thoughts  
during his whole life.  He didn't cognize Ayurveda, Vastu or any of  
the other Vedic disciplines.  He just pulled together people to  
speel on what they were an expert on, then of course put his SCI  
spin on it all.  Sometimes the spin doesn't take, as it didn't take  
with Herbert Benson.  Benson looked at what he saw in TMers and  
decided that a mantra of "one" would do just as well.


What I find most fascinating is that Maharishi's prize, Chopra, was  
pretty much a mirror of Maharishi.  Chopra hasn't had an original  
thought in his life.  I used to marvel during his weekend seminars  
how well he could peace together everybody else's thoughts and  
conclusions.  Maharishi was and Chopra is the big reformatters.


Maharishi has us listen to the Rig Veda to enliven subatomic  
particles?  Yeah, sure.  Round about the Taste of Utopia I would  
have not believed that but out of shear exhaustion would have said,  
"yeah, well, OK".  But that was then, this is now.


But the sad thing is God Almighty / El Shaddai such shenanigans  
detract and diminish the actual commentaries on Rig veda which do  
exist. Once you make something SO silly, how do you expect anyone to  
take it seriously? Not everything was designed to be sold or used as  
a marketing mythos.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[Vaj]

On Jan 12, 2009, at 2:35 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
-snip-


Don't try to hide your intellectual dishonesty and obfuscation

behind

ad hominems Dawn.


wtf? the thing you fail to realize about TM is that not all of us
practicing the technique, and gaining enlightenment from it, are
speaking and thinking in lockstep. there is no such requirement in
order to do the technique properly, and gain the world from its
practice.

in fact i don't personally know -any- TMers who think and speak in
terms of the ideas you laid out earlier. All of us have taken the
teaching to heart and just go about our lives using the technique
successfully. sorry- lol

when i say that i equate enlightenment with being in tune with
nature, that is my experience and that is what i mean. there is
nothing dishonest about that. i just don't think in terms
of "Natural Law" or dharma, or the laws of manu. maybe you know some
TMers who do, but i am not one of them.


Well, unfortunately, that's apparently what the Hindu tradition feels  
it means and whether or not you realize that is what you attempting  
to parrot from TM dogma, it clearly is. People have been parroting  
that dogma for years my dear. It's always "their experience". Usually  
when you inquire further the answer becomes "well, it's very subtle"  
or some similarly parsed schlock.



as to my comment about your evasiveness, it is because you are
avoiding answering my earlier question. i'll try again:

as to the supreme satisfaction derived from a continuous state of
samadhi, and therefore no need to preach, or shout it from the
rooftops, what do you say about that?


I don't buy it. If the TMO had one person in such a state, they'd be  
marketing the hell out of it to sell more product. Actually, they  
already HAVE tried it! So there's no reason, based on their past  
performance, they wouldn't try the same thing over again. If in fact  
such a person existed who could, say, go into samadhi for just 3  
hours like has now been replicated in other yogis, it'd be such a  
media sensation people WOULD want to hear about it.


It's always good to have real evidence to back up your claims.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Interested in learning Sanskrit?

[Bhairitu]

cardemaister wrote:
> In case you are interested in learning Sanskrit,
> I think I can recommend Thomas Egenes' Introduction
> to Sanskrit Part One. I got Part Two a couple of
> Xmas ago. Just started reading it more systematically,
> or stuff. It's IMO very well written from the didactic(?)
> POV.
In the US, the American Sanskrit Institute has weekend workshops that 
will get you started.  I bought their full cassette course years ago and 
found it very useful.
http://www.americansanskrit.com/learn/classes.php

Re: [FairfieldLife] "Staying in touch" -- a good thing or not?

[Bhairitu]

I am the eternal wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 7:17 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
>
> I hate mobile phones.  And I've managed to get through life with just a
> prepaid phone which I got 2 years ago.  I've used about 100 minutes on the
> phone.  I also have Blackberrys and suspect I'd hate an iPhone.  I am too
> much one with a real QWERTY keyboard that is just the right size.  I had to
> carry a Blackberry for a couple of years and composing a note was such a
> pain.
>
> Are we addicted?  Well, I am addicted in a different way.  I'm addicted to
> reading a few national status newspapers with my breakfast.  I keep checking
> cnn.com on the Internet and turn on CNN wherever I go.
>
> You never want to experience the withdrawal I experience (and never get
> over) when I go deep into a part of the Middle East where I can't get my CNN
> and multiple (not government controlled) newspaper fix every day.  After 6
> months I am still suffering.  I will very eagerly, as soon as I get to a
> more international place,  seek out a one or two week old CNN International,
> all 4 pages of it, and gladly pay $10 or more for it.
>
> This mobile phone addiction is exactly that.  In Austin it is something you
> see with the people of color (Hispanics and Blacks).  I'm sure part of that
> is that the cell phone replaces a land line, and in the case of Hispanics,
> you can get some really good rates to south of the Rio Grande on cell
> phones.  We have two cell phone companies in my part of Texas which offer
> unlimited calling/texting for $35 a month.
>
> It's interesting to see that the puppy and collegiate use of cell phones is
> falling off, from my observation.  Cell phone usage amongst those age groups
> peaked at the turn of the century.
If you've been to India you know it doesn't have much in the way of 
landlines.  So people there rarely have a phone in their house unless 
they are wealthy.  At least it was that way 12 years ago when I was 
then.  Since the country has gone mobile since that made more sense than 
more landlines.  Bill Gates dropped into India about 1998 and wanted to 
finance landlines mainly for more Internet.  He came just short of 
getting a "quit India" order.  A coalition of the telecoms there had 
lobbied for more cell towers and infrastructure and here was Gates, not 
understanding the culture, wanting to mess things up.  So if you watch a 
movie based in India you'll notice many have a cell phones.  And yes 
they are as obsessive about it or more so than wacky Americans.  And 
then there is the Japanese culture where they're so nuts about cell 
phones they make horror movies about them including "Pulse" and "One 
Missed Call." :-D

I develop software for PDAs and now am working on some mobile phone 
versions.  Everyone wants to get rid of their old PDAs and just have 
their software on their phone.  I bought my first cell phone 1994 but 
rarely used it and had a low cost plan anyway.  I've bumped my plan 
nowadays and cut back on the extras on my landline.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[Vaj]

On Jan 12, 2009, at 12:07 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
 wrote:



regarding the achievement of a state of continuous samadhi,
and "shouting it from every rooftop", perhaps the organization whose
purpose it is to spread TM would, but what purpose would it serve
for a run of the mill TMer experiencing continuous samadhi to ever
mention it, to anyone?


Given how the TMOs push marketing (as evidenced by the recent
promotion of the non-study on ADHD), if people were achieving a state
of continuous samadhi, the TMO would be shouting it from the rooftops.
 However, the TMO keeps mighty quiet on enlightenment. Orme-Johnson
in response to the hypothetical, "is anyone getting enlightened"
writes on his web site:



Let's not forget the last study putsch: the TM is good for your heart  
marketing campaign. Luckily the BBC caught them on that one, as did  
some physicians reviews. But it makes me wonder: should someone be  
pointing all this out to the NIH? Should the NIH sue for fraud and  
deception? I mean, these are our tax dollars they are, quite  
actually, stealing.


If you look at it, it's pretty clear what they're trying to do: cash  
in on insurers who are already paying for treatments like MBCT for  
depression. Once they can get into the medical system with their  
product, they be able to rake in the $$$ with their over-inflated  
mantra prices.

Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY's Interpretation of the Rig Veda

[I am the eternal]

On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Vaj  wrote:

>
>
>
> They've already talked about this. It's mentioned in the Unified Field
> chart for Ayurveda, which contains an alleged formula for the 5 tanmatras.
> Not that anyone but they believe in it. Kinda silly really.
>
> My take on his whole "Rig Ved" spiel was it was what he purloined from the
> father-son Vedic chanting duo he used to hang with, along with his
> intellectual interests garnered from hanging around actual physicists. As it
> turns out, the whole AGNI thing is not his. There are huge compendia
> of analyses on Rig Vedic words, phrases and their meaning. These are still
> just barely being preserved by traditional pundit families. Much of it is
> committed to writing but none of it, as far as I am aware, has been
> translated into English yet.
>
> If someone wanted to be really enterprising and helpful, they could start
> or fund a translation project to preserve these texts.
> _
>


Maharishi was the Great Promoter.  Had few if any original thoughts during
his whole life.  He didn't cognize Ayurveda, Vastu or any of the other Vedic
disciplines.  He just pulled together people to speel on what they were an
expert on, then of course put his SCI spin on it all.  Sometimes the spin
doesn't take, as it didn't take with Herbert Benson.  Benson looked at what
he saw in TMers and decided that a mantra of "one" would do just as well.

What I find most fascinating is that Maharishi's prize, Chopra, was pretty
much a mirror of Maharishi.  Chopra hasn't had an original thought in his
life.  I used to marvel during his weekend seminars how well he could peace
together everybody else's thoughts and conclusions.  Maharishi was and
Chopra is the big reformatters.

Maharishi has us listen to the Rig Veda to enliven subatomic particles?
Yeah, sure.  Round about the Taste of Utopia I would have not believed that
but out of shear exhaustion would have said, "yeah, well, OK".  But that was
then, this is now.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Segway inventor deciding whether to pack it in or not

[gullible fool]

On the other hand, I still like that the only
known human being to ever tip one over (they
are gyroscopically balanced to *keep* them
from tipping over) was George W. Bush. He
probably misunderestimated it.
 
You mean this George W. Bush?

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushdropsdog.htm
 
http://www.uncoveror.com/firstdog.htm


"Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only 
love." 
 
- Amma  

--- On Mon, 1/12/09, TurquoiseB  wrote:

From: TurquoiseB 
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Segway inventor deciding whether to pack it in or 
not
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 1:58 PM

As cute as they were, they are completely 
impractical even as a "city machine" because
1) you can't sit down on them and 2) there
is nowhere to stash what you buy if you take
them when you go shopping. 

In Sitges, where one could easily live just
fine without a car, but where you might want 
a little something other than leg power to
get around while shopping, there are any
number of alternative electric bikes. You
can sit down, they have baskets to store your
groceries, you can pedal them home if the
battery runs out, and they sell for one-tenth
the cost of a Segway.

Nerds. Some of them still believe that if you
build a better mousetrap the world will beat
a path to your door. Even the people who don't
have mice in their house will buy it because 
it's so cute.

Yeah, right.

On the other hand, I still like that the only
known human being to ever tip one over (they
are gyroscopically balanced to *keep* them
from tipping over) was George W. Bush. He
probably misunderestimated it.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "I am the eternal"
 wrote:
>
>
http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/worklife/01/12/entrepreneur.psychology/index.html
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/8uu7p4*
> 
> *I have a special feeling in my heart for the Segway.  One of
mocking.  When
> I walk alone or with friends in downtown Austin and spy the tour of
all 12
> Segways we have in Austin, I often double over laughing.
> 
> Why?  Because I remember reading with great anticipation how Dotcom
> billionaires were paying hundreds of millions to be part of the
thing that
> would make all cities obsolete.  I remember on Slashdot.org debating
with
> people what this fabulous gift to Humanity was going to be.  There were
> rumors that it was a scotter of sorts.  Of course we laughed at the
rumors.
> How could a scotter transform urban life?  The answer:  it can't and
it
> couldn't.  During the Dotcom days I was in Kansas City .  I got these
> constant calls from Living.com (wanting to sell furniture over the
> Internat), Drugstore.com and so many other Dotcoms.  They all offered me
> zillions in unpaid overtime, a couple thousand in real salary and
zillions
> in stock options.  I told them to call back when they could offer double
> what I was making.
> 
> I loved the Dotcom days because they were just so amusing.  I
received an
> email from someone who saw that I was in Kansas City.  He told me
how much
> he longed for KC, working as he did in his new home, San Jose, CA. 
I asked
> him if he negotiated a round trip move into his signon package.  He just
> didn't get why I was asking such a question.
> 
> Segway.  Real, palpable proof that I wasn't so stupid round about
the turn
> of the century after all.
>





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[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[enlightened_dawn11]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
-snip-

> Don't try to hide your intellectual dishonesty and obfuscation 
behind  
> ad hominems Dawn.
>
wtf? the thing you fail to realize about TM is that not all of us 
practicing the technique, and gaining enlightenment from it, are 
speaking and thinking in lockstep. there is no such requirement in 
order to do the technique properly, and gain the world from its 
practice. 

in fact i don't personally know -any- TMers who think and speak in 
terms of the ideas you laid out earlier. All of us have taken the 
teaching to heart and just go about our lives using the technique 
successfully. sorry- lol

when i say that i equate enlightenment with being in tune with 
nature, that is my experience and that is what i mean. there is 
nothing dishonest about that. i just don't think in terms 
of "Natural Law" or dharma, or the laws of manu. maybe you know some 
TMers who do, but i am not one of them.

as to my comment about your evasiveness, it is because you are 
avoiding answering my earlier question. i'll try again:

as to the supreme satisfaction derived from a continuous state of
samadhi, and therefore no need to preach, or shout it from the
rooftops, what do you say about that?

millions of us learned TM, and the odds are excellent that there are
plenty of enlightened folks out there as a result. the thing about
TM and TMSP is that there is no requirement to practice in a group
or formally participate in a group.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[Vaj]

On Jan 12, 2009, at 1:49 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:



On Jan 12, 2009, at 1:11 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:


To be supported by Natural Law is, IMO, wrongly

understood by most TMers, because they don't get the source of

this

idea. -snip-


you are off on a tangent here-- i didn't mention the natural law
angle, nor dharma, nor the laws of manu. all straw men.


Hey, it's not my fault you didn't understand the origin of the

term.

It's been a part of MMY's teaching for quite some time. In fact I
believe it used to be the name of a MMY booklet: "Life Supported

by

Natural Law".



are all Buddhists as evasive as you are?


Don't try to hide your intellectual dishonesty and obfuscation behind  
ad hominems Dawn.

Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY's Interpretation of the Rig Veda

[Vaj]

On Jan 12, 2009, at 1:56 PM, John wrote:


To All:

We may never really know the details of MMY's thoughts regarding the
Rig Veda.  From his apaurusia(?), we are told that the Rig Veda
contains the constitution of the universe, and that the various
stanzas in the Rig Veda corresponds to an esoteric physics formula
which most of us have never heard of or know anything about.

From my own POV, it appears that MMY may be talking about the
subatomic structure which physicists today are still trying to
understand and discover.  Based on the vedic principles, there could
be a corresponding subatomic structure which "previews" the five
elements: fire, earth, wind, water and ether.



They've already talked about this. It's mentioned in the Unified  
Field chart for Ayurveda, which contains an alleged formula for the 5  
tanmatras. Not that anyone but they believe in it. Kinda silly really.


My take on his whole "Rig Ved" spiel was it was what he purloined  
from the father-son Vedic chanting duo he used to hang with, along  
with his intellectual interests garnered from hanging around actual  
physicists. As it turns out, the whole AGNI thing is not his. There  
are huge compendia of analyses on Rig Vedic words, phrases and their  
meaning. These are still just barely being preserved by traditional  
pundit families. Much of it is committed to writing but none of it,  
as far as I am aware, has been translated into English yet.


If someone wanted to be really enterprising and helpful, they could  
start or fund a translation project to preserve these texts. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Segway inventor deciding whether to pack it in or not

[Bhairitu]

I am the eternal wrote:
> I loved the Dotcom days because they were just so amusing.  I received an
> email from someone who saw that I was in Kansas City.  He told me how much
> he longed for KC, working as he did in his new home, San Jose, CA.  I asked
> him if he negotiated a round trip move into his signon package.  He just
> didn't get why I was asking such a question.
Living in San Jose if his gig ran out or he got tired of the company he 
could just play "musical jobs" as everyone else does down there.  I 
always have to ask someone "where are you working now" if they are from 
that area.   Of course nowadays the jobs there may be running out but 
then you can always put something "green" on your resume (and I don't 
mean money) and get a job at one of the new  "green" companies which are 
the new "dotcoms."

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bacon! Bacon! Bacon!

[Duveyoung]

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/42402/

Jim Gaffigan lets loose with about 40 bacon jokes in a row in 3 1/2
minutes.  Enjoy.

Edg


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
wrote:
>
> This is how I feel about 90% of the day (do you think I should cut down 
> my meditation time?):
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxBKy78eP28
> 
> 
> 
> .
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 
wrote:
>
> > Please go learn the TM checking procedure and then get back to us
> > Dawn. Thanks.
>
> are you channeling Nabby?
>
>
> regarding the achievement of a state of continuous samadhi,
> and "shouting it from every rooftop", perhaps the organization whose
> purpose it is to spread TM would, but what purpose would it serve
> for a run of the mill TMer experiencing continuous samadhi to ever
> mention it, to anyone?
>
> if in fact enlightenment is to be in tune with the natural order of
> things, what is the purpose of becoming a human megaphone for
> enlightenment? the enjoyment of the state itself is satisfaction
> enough.
>
> the Maharishi always taught that we may quietly recognize elements
> of enlightenment, without becoming lay preachers, in effect, for TM.
> i think your very superficial assumption needs re-examination.
>
> as to being afraid of science, i have no fear of science. however i
> am grounded enough to recognize the limitations of it.
>
> last, if Buddhism was all it was cracked up to be, TM would have
> never enjoyed, and continue to enjoy, the popularity that it has and
> does.


No worries, the Buddhist's are too busy feeling "spescial".

Maharishi would never ask anyone in Enlightenment to publiscise his/her
state of freedom.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Segway inventor deciding whether to pack it in or not

[TurquoiseB]

As cute as they were, they are completely 
impractical even as a "city machine" because
1) you can't sit down on them and 2) there
is nowhere to stash what you buy if you take
them when you go shopping. 

In Sitges, where one could easily live just
fine without a car, but where you might want 
a little something other than leg power to
get around while shopping, there are any
number of alternative electric bikes. You
can sit down, they have baskets to store your
groceries, you can pedal them home if the
battery runs out, and they sell for one-tenth
the cost of a Segway.

Nerds. Some of them still believe that if you
build a better mousetrap the world will beat
a path to your door. Even the people who don't
have mice in their house will buy it because 
it's so cute.

Yeah, right.

On the other hand, I still like that the only
known human being to ever tip one over (they
are gyroscopically balanced to *keep* them
from tipping over) was George W. Bush. He
probably misunderestimated it.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "I am the eternal"
 wrote:
>
>
http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/worklife/01/12/entrepreneur.psychology/index.html
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/8uu7p4*
> 
> *I have a special feeling in my heart for the Segway.  One of
mocking.  When
> I walk alone or with friends in downtown Austin and spy the tour of
all 12
> Segways we have in Austin, I often double over laughing.
> 
> Why?  Because I remember reading with great anticipation how Dotcom
> billionaires were paying hundreds of millions to be part of the
thing that
> would make all cities obsolete.  I remember on Slashdot.org debating
with
> people what this fabulous gift to Humanity was going to be.  There were
> rumors that it was a scotter of sorts.  Of course we laughed at the
rumors.
> How could a scotter transform urban life?  The answer:  it can't and it
> couldn't.  During the Dotcom days I was in Kansas City .  I got these
> constant calls from Living.com (wanting to sell furniture over the
> Internat), Drugstore.com and so many other Dotcoms.  They all offered me
> zillions in unpaid overtime, a couple thousand in real salary and
zillions
> in stock options.  I told them to call back when they could offer double
> what I was making.
> 
> I loved the Dotcom days because they were just so amusing.  I
received an
> email from someone who saw that I was in Kansas City.  He told me
how much
> he longed for KC, working as he did in his new home, San Jose, CA. 
I asked
> him if he negotiated a round trip move into his signon package.  He just
> didn't get why I was asking such a question.
> 
> Segway.  Real, palpable proof that I wasn't so stupid round about
the turn
> of the century after all.
>

[FairfieldLife] MMY's Interpretation of the Rig Veda

[John]

To All:

We may never really know the details of MMY's thoughts regarding the 
Rig Veda.  From his apaurusia(?), we are told that the Rig Veda 
contains the constitution of the universe, and that the various 
stanzas in the Rig Veda corresponds to an esoteric physics formula 
which most of us have never heard of or know anything about.

>From my own POV, it appears that MMY may be talking about the 
subatomic structure which physicists today are still trying to 
understand and discover.  Based on the vedic principles, there could 
be a corresponding subatomic structure which "previews" the five 
elements: fire, earth, wind, water and ether.

Perhaps, this is one of the reasons why MMY recommended to his 
students to listen to the chants of the Rig Veda as often as 
possible.  And, that is to enliven the subatomic particles, the 
constitution of the universe.

JR

[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[enlightened_dawn11]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Jan 12, 2009, at 1:11 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
> 
> > To be supported by Natural Law is, IMO, wrongly
> >> understood by most TMers, because they don't get the source of
> > this
> >> idea. -snip-
> >
> > you are off on a tangent here-- i didn't mention the natural law
> > angle, nor dharma, nor the laws of manu. all straw men.
> 
> Hey, it's not my fault you didn't understand the origin of the 
term.  
> It's been a part of MMY's teaching for quite some time. In fact I  
> believe it used to be the name of a MMY booklet: "Life Supported 
by  
> Natural Law".
>

are all Buddhists as evasive as you are?

[FairfieldLife] Fairfield Participates in National Day of Service Inaugural Events

[Rick Archer]

From: Jerrie Noyes [mailto:jerriejea...@mchsi.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 12:41 PM
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Subject: Fairfield Participates in National Day of Service Inaugural Events

 

I need volunteers to man the desk at the library in 2-3 hour shifts on
Monday, Jan 19.  9:30-12:00, 12:00-3:00, 3:00-5:30 and 6:00-8:00 PM.

Please reply to this email if you would like to participate, it will be fun.
We will be in touch with the Presidential Inaugural Committee and other
activities all over the country.  Love, jerrie

 

Please feel free to forward the following to your email lists:

 

 

The President Elect of the United States and the Inaugural Committee have
called for a National Day of Service on Monday, January 19, Martin Luther
King Day.  

 

"As a tribute to the legacy of Martin Luther King and the very real needs of
our nation, the President-elect and Vice President-elect have launched a
national organizing effort on the eve of their Inauguration to engage
Americans in service. This national day of service will fall on Martin
Luther King, Jr. Day, January 19, 2009 and, unlike past calls to service,
President-elect Obama is calling on all Americans to do more than just offer
a single day of service to their cities, towns and neighborhoods.  He is
asking all of us to make an ongoing commitment to our communities. Never has
it been more important to come together in shared purpose to tackle the
common challenges we face ." www.usaservice.org 

 

Fairfield can participate in this initiative at the Volunteer Center service
desk at the Fairfield Public Library, 104 W. Adams, 472-6551,  which will be
open 9:30 am to 8:00 PM on Monday, Jan. 19 to receive donations of paper
products, cleaning supplies, & non perishable food items for the Women and
Families Crisis Center of Jefferson and Wapello County.  We would like to
make it a community goal to supply a year's worth of these needs for this
very deserving community service project.

 

The Volunteer Desk will have information and sign up sheets for continuing
community service involvement opportunities.

 

Donations of non-perishable food will also be accepted at the Lord's
Cupboard of Jefferson County, 54 S. B Street. Call 472-8457 for hours.

 

Please call Jerrie Noyes, 472-1646 if you have items to donate or want more
information and you are not available during the hours on Monday, January
19.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bacon! Bacon! Bacon!

[enlightened_dawn11]

funny that the topic of bacon should resound here today so loudly. i 
cooked up about twenty strips on Sunday. (bake for ~15 min at 400, 
remove pan and pour off fat, then back into the oven for another ~10 
min at 350--) no fat spatters on the stove, or danger of grease 
burns. also, the bacon comes out perfectly cooked.

my take on the whole low fat craze is that we as americans 
habitually overeat, eating when we are no longer hungry. i also 
suspect that corporations have set huge portions for us because the 
more they serve, the more they can charge per meal. 

i eat whatever i want, but when i am full, i am done.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
 wrote:
>
> > Well, the doggy version of bacon is probably not
> > nearly so bad for you as the real thing, so maybe
> > not.
> 
> Santa brought me a book called "Fat, an Appreciation of a
> Misunderstood Ingredient"  http://tinyurl.com/8q2mvf  Written by 
the
> same person who wrote my last year's favorite cooking ingredient 
book:
> "Bones: Recipes, History, and Lore", Jennifer McLagan
> 
> She claims that medicine has been refining its understanding of 
fats
> and focusing on the values of monounsaturated (45% in bacon) and
> polyunsaturated fats (11% in bacon). with the latest research we 
may
> have thrown the baby (I'll bet they have tasty fat...) with the 
bath. 
> 
> In America particularly we have spent too much time focusing on 
foods
> as "bad", when the medicine may not support a ban on animal fats in
> our diet.  
> 
> Recently I rendered some duck fat and cooking with it is a 
revelation.
>  I have always made my own ghee but now I have rendered lard, and 
for
> certain dishes, it is as magical as ghee. (I know Hindu gods would 
not
> agree!)
> 
> America's low fat craze has ruined our pigs with fanatical breeding
> out the fat principles.  The "other white meat" is a dry tasteless 
joke.
> 
> Now I know that this topic in a group with many vegetarians may 
have
> the social effect of loudly passing wind in church...
> but I must speak up for all things pork.  I too wish that we didn't
> have to dispatch the little buggers with the intelligence of dogs. 
> But their sacrifice is met with reverence at my table.
> 
> Try frying up a bit of Pancetta if you can get it or bacon if you
> can't and use that to saute your garlic and onions (could I dig my
> movement grave any deeper?) before adding your tomatoes and fresh
> basil for your next pasta sauce.  Finnish the dish with a splash 
of 
> cold pressed olive oil and the best romano cheese you can get your
> hands on, Fulvi Pecorino is my favorite and Whole Food carries it.
> 
> Then the magic of pork products will reveal itself in the magical
> depth it will give your dish.  It may convert someone to the 
reverence
> for all things piggy. For anyone who wants an advanced technique I
> will reveal my favorite cut of pork, much misunderstood in American
> cuisine: pork necks.
> 
> Oh yeah and if anyone does have any spare babies lying around that 
you
> don't need...I figure that if I'm walking on thin ice anyway, I 
might
> as well dance!
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > This is how I feel about 90% of the day (do you
> > > think I should cut down my meditation time?):
> > > 
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxBKy78eP28
> > 
> > Well, the doggy version of bacon is probably not
> > nearly so bad for you as the real thing, so maybe
> > not.
> > 
> > (The older version of that commercial--the second
> > one in the video--is a work of sheer genius. Both
> > the writer and the actor somehow managed to capture
> > the simple essence of Doggymind.)
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Segway inventor deciding whether to pack it in or not

[I am the eternal]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/worklife/01/12/entrepreneur.psychology/index.html

http://tinyurl.com/8uu7p4*

*I have a special feeling in my heart for the Segway.  One of mocking.  When
I walk alone or with friends in downtown Austin and spy the tour of all 12
Segways we have in Austin, I often double over laughing.

Why?  Because I remember reading with great anticipation how Dotcom
billionaires were paying hundreds of millions to be part of the thing that
would make all cities obsolete.  I remember on Slashdot.org debating with
people what this fabulous gift to Humanity was going to be.  There were
rumors that it was a scotter of sorts.  Of course we laughed at the rumors.
How could a scotter transform urban life?  The answer:  it can't and it
couldn't.  During the Dotcom days I was in Kansas City .  I got these
constant calls from Living.com (wanting to sell furniture over the
Internat), Drugstore.com and so many other Dotcoms.  They all offered me
zillions in unpaid overtime, a couple thousand in real salary and zillions
in stock options.  I told them to call back when they could offer double
what I was making.

I loved the Dotcom days because they were just so amusing.  I received an
email from someone who saw that I was in Kansas City.  He told me how much
he longed for KC, working as he did in his new home, San Jose, CA.  I asked
him if he negotiated a round trip move into his signon package.  He just
didn't get why I was asking such a question.

Segway.  Real, palpable proof that I wasn't so stupid round about the turn
of the century after all.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[Vaj]

On Jan 12, 2009, at 1:11 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:


To be supported by Natural Law is, IMO, wrongly

understood by most TMers, because they don't get the source of

this

idea. -snip-


you are off on a tangent here-- i didn't mention the natural law
angle, nor dharma, nor the laws of manu. all straw men.


Hey, it's not my fault you didn't understand the origin of the term.  
It's been a part of MMY's teaching for quite some time. In fact I  
believe it used to be the name of a MMY booklet: "Life Supported by  
Natural Law".

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bacon! Bacon! Bacon!

[curtisdeltablues]

> Well, the doggy version of bacon is probably not
> nearly so bad for you as the real thing, so maybe
> not.

Santa brought me a book called "Fat, an Appreciation of a
Misunderstood Ingredient"  http://tinyurl.com/8q2mvf  Written by the
same person who wrote my last year's favorite cooking ingredient book:
"Bones: Recipes, History, and Lore", Jennifer McLagan

She claims that medicine has been refining its understanding of fats
and focusing on the values of monounsaturated (45% in bacon) and
polyunsaturated fats (11% in bacon). with the latest research we may
have thrown the baby (I'll bet they have tasty fat...) with the bath. 

In America particularly we have spent too much time focusing on foods
as "bad", when the medicine may not support a ban on animal fats in
our diet.  

Recently I rendered some duck fat and cooking with it is a revelation.
 I have always made my own ghee but now I have rendered lard, and for
certain dishes, it is as magical as ghee. (I know Hindu gods would not
agree!)

America's low fat craze has ruined our pigs with fanatical breeding
out the fat principles.  The "other white meat" is a dry tasteless joke.

Now I know that this topic in a group with many vegetarians may have
the social effect of loudly passing wind in church...
but I must speak up for all things pork.  I too wish that we didn't
have to dispatch the little buggers with the intelligence of dogs. 
But their sacrifice is met with reverence at my table.

Try frying up a bit of Pancetta if you can get it or bacon if you
can't and use that to saute your garlic and onions (could I dig my
movement grave any deeper?) before adding your tomatoes and fresh
basil for your next pasta sauce.  Finnish the dish with a splash of 
cold pressed olive oil and the best romano cheese you can get your
hands on, Fulvi Pecorino is my favorite and Whole Food carries it.

Then the magic of pork products will reveal itself in the magical
depth it will give your dish.  It may convert someone to the reverence
for all things piggy. For anyone who wants an advanced technique I
will reveal my favorite cut of pork, much misunderstood in American
cuisine: pork necks.

Oh yeah and if anyone does have any spare babies lying around that you
don't need...I figure that if I'm walking on thin ice anyway, I might
as well dance!
 




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > This is how I feel about 90% of the day (do you
> > think I should cut down my meditation time?):
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxBKy78eP28
> 
> Well, the doggy version of bacon is probably not
> nearly so bad for you as the real thing, so maybe
> not.
> 
> (The older version of that commercial--the second
> one in the video--is a work of sheer genius. Both
> the writer and the actor somehow managed to capture
> the simple essence of Doggymind.)
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought

[enlightened_dawn11]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Jan 12, 2009, at 11:38 AM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
> 
> >> Please go learn the TM checking procedure and then get back to 
us
> >> Dawn. Thanks.
> >
> > are you channeling Nabby?
> 
> Or is Nabby channelling me. I'll never tell.
> 
> >
> >
> > regarding the achievement of a state of continuous samadhi,
> > and "shouting it from every rooftop", perhaps the organization 
whose
> > purpose it is to spread TM would, but what purpose would it serve
> > for a run of the mill TMer experiencing continuous samadhi to 
ever
> > mention it, to anyone?
> >
> > if in fact enlightenment is to be in tune with the natural order 
of
> > things, what is the purpose of becoming a human megaphone for
> > enlightenment? the enjoyment of the state itself is satisfaction
> > enough.
> 
> I don't buy that "enlightenment is to be in tune with the natural  
> order of  things". 

although your response seems incredible, i can't really go any 
further discussing this with you, then. if enlightenment is NOT in 
tune with the natural order of things, then is it out of tune? 

as to the supreme satisfaction derived from a continuous state of 
samadhi, and therefore no need to preach, or shout it from the 
rooftops, what do you say about that? 

millions of us learned TM, and the odds are excellent that there are 
plenty of enlightened folks out there as a result. the thing about 
TM and TMSP is that there is no requirement to practice in a group 
or formally participate in a group.

To be supported by Natural Law is, IMO, wrongly  
> understood by most TMers, because they don't get the source of 
this  
> idea. -snip-

you are off on a tangent here-- i didn't mention the natural law 
angle, nor dharma, nor the laws of manu. all straw men.

Re: [FairfieldLife] "Staying in touch" -- a good thing or not?

[Bhairitu]

TurquoiseB wrote:
> One of the things that shocked me the most when
> I moved to Europe was the number of mobile phone
> users, and the number of times they seem to use
> them. I had not seen anything quite like it in
> the US. Possibly that was because I was not look-
> ing, or possibly the US had a better land-line 
> infrastructure, and didn't swing over to mobile
> phone use as quickly and as all-pervasively as
> Europe did. (In the Netherlands, for example,
> it can take six months to get a land line, but
> only a few seconds to get a mobile.)
>
> But it wasn't just the proliferation of mobiles
> that shocked me (and continues to), but the seem-
> ing *dependence* on them that people seem to have
> developed. On the streets, in restaurants, and
> even in theaters, people are on them *constantly*.
> It is almost impossible to have a dinner with 
> someone without it being interrupted by a mobile
> phone call or five. And they *take* the phone 
> calls. Call me an old fogey, but to me, that's 
> just rude. They put "Off" buttons on these 
> devices for a reason.
>
> This story today got me thinking about all of this,
> and the possibly *addicting* nature of "staying
> in touch." This article is about a father who found
> that his 13-year-old daughter made 13,528 text mes-
> sages a month. That is one message every two minutes
> for every one of her waking hours.
>
> http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2009/01/11/Girl_13_sends_14528_texts_in_a_month/UPI-83341231704427/
>
> Now I ask you...isn't this a bit obsessive?
>
> Me, I tend to treasure my privacy. Yes, I have a 
> mobile phone. But I have given that number to only
> ten people. If it rings, I know that it's one of 
> them, and that I *might* just want to speak to them.
> I just don't DO "texting," and my 10 friends know
> this, so they don't bother with it.
>
> But when I walk the streets of Sitges or Barcelona
> and watch people bumping into each other or into
> lampposts because they're busy reading some text
> message or writing one, or walking in front of an
> oncoming bus because they are so lost in their
> phone conversation that they don't notice it, I 
> start to wonder.
>
> Sometimes I kinda long for the days when you had 
> to find a pay phone and plunk some money into it
> to "stay in touch" with people when you were away
> from home. It made "staying in touch" feel almost
> like a good thing, something you had the option to
> do or not. What I see on the streets and in rest-
> aurants and...well...pretty much everywhere else 
> doesn't really strike me that way. I kinda wonder 
> about people who are so uneasy being themselves
> that they have to "stay in touch" with other 
> people 24/7, just to remember who they are.
They are doing this because they aren't on FFL playing badminton games. :-D

I have a cell phone but I have a year's worth of rollover minutes on the 
account.  That's because most people that call me on it have the same 
provider so the call is free.   And I'm not much of a phone person.  I 
do most of my communication via email.  Some people will bite your head 
off if you call them at the wrong time so I don't call them.

I don't know what all these people have to talk about.  Maybe they're 
all just insecure or merely co-dependent on their cell phone.  Hmm, 
maybe a cellular rehab business might do well.

My 50 year old niece sent me a text message a couple weeks back.  I sent 
her back a text message and for the fun of it let it degenerate into the 
short texting words.   I told here when she called she had sent me my 
first "text" message other than the ones I get from the provider.  That 
was also the first one I've sent.  I can see texting over trying to give 
someone an address over the phone.

I have a Bluetooth headset but I never use it because I hardly ever get 
any calls and anyone who wants to call  me while I'm driving can just go 
to voicemail and I'll call them back.  Or if I'm driving along a city 
street and there's space I'll just pull over and take the call.  But 
you'd be surprised in spite of the "hands free" law how many are still 
driving around holding a phone to their ear and often driving 20 mph 
under speed limit (on the freeway).   Apparently they haven't been 
ticketed for it yet and the first time it is just a warning so they 
probably feel they can get away with it.  As of the first of the year 
you can't drive and text.  Imagine that!  They had to make a law for 
something that should be common sense.

We must be witnessing the decline of western civilization.  Naw, the 
pundits will save us!

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Staying in touch" -- a good thing or not?

[martyboi]

I went out to a wonderful Italian restaurant with a group of about 16
business professionals a while back. As I was enjoying my lunch, the
whole tenor of the room changes causing me to look up from the
delicious plate of food I was feverishly enjoying. What I anticipated
seeing was that majik moment during a good meal when the room becomes
totally silent – like when a group of stoned college kids are eating
pizza. Instead, I looked up and saw fifteen people on their cell
phones - all with anxious faces desperate to status some important
work related issue. Cell phones suck