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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[I am the eternal]

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Robert  wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal  wrote:
>>
> Great song...reminds me of my once intimate friend, Maggie May...
> R.G.

I've always loved this C & W song.  It says so very much:

Tell me a lie
Say I look familiar
Though I know that you don’t even know my name
Tell me a lie
Say ya just got into town
Even though I’ve seen you here before
Just hangin’ around

Umm, tell me a lie
Say you’re not a married man
‘Cause you don’t know I saw you
Slip off your wedding band
Ooh, tell me a lie
Say ya got no place to stay
But you’ll be glad to drive me home
‘Cause it’s on your way

Tell me a lie
When you take me home
(Tell me a lie)
I don’t really want to spend the night alone
Tell me a lie
Don’t worry about my sorrow
You’ll be long gone tomorrow
And you won’t have to see me cry
Just tell me a lie

Tell me a lie
Come on, tell me that you need me
And I’ll pretend that it’s for real
The way you want me to
Please, tell me a lie
When you’re lying close beside me
And whisper when you hold me
Sweet words “I love you”

Ooh, tell me a lie
When our night is almost over
And make it easy on us both
When it’s time for you to go
Come on, tell me a lie
Say you’d really like to stay
Just tell me one more lie
That you’ll be back one day

Tell me a lie
When you take me home
(Tell me a lie)
I don’t really want to spend the night alone
Tell me a lie
Don’t worry about my sorrow
You’ll be long gone tomorrow
And you won’t have to see me cry
Just tell me a lie


Maggie Mays is the name of a very well known collegiate bar on 6th St.
here in Austin.  They have quite a number of well known (in Austin)
bumper stickers available at the bar.  One of these says

Beer.  It's just not for breakfast anymore.
Maggie Mays
Austin

Beats the Hell out of the one put out by Bertha's (raw and shell fish)
Bar in Glen Bernie, Baltimore:

Eat Bertha's Mussels




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[FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[Robert]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal  wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Mike Doughney  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >>
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk"  wrote:
> >
> >> I used to see a similar behavior pattern among
> >> the supposedly-celibate guys working on staff
> >> at Seelisberg and on courses in Europe, but in
> >> a heterosexual way. These guys would see a
> >> woman they liked and seduce her with the olde
> >> "I know that I should be celibate but you're
> >> just s beautiful" routine. And after one
> >> or two rolls in the hay, they would forget
> >> the women.
> >>
> >> Not just drop them, FORGET them.
> >
> >
> 
> And you're saying that this isn't typical guy behavior?  Love 'em and
> leave 'em is a slogan that's been around since the beginning of time.
> 
> 
> 
> There'll be no strings to bind your hands
> Not if my love can't bind your heart.
> And there's no need to take a stand
> For it was I who chose to start.
> I see no need to take me home,
> I'm old enough to face the dawn.
> 
> Just call me angel of the morning ANGEL
> Just touch my cheek before you leave me, baby.
> Just call me angel of the morning ANGEL
> then slowly turn away from me.
> 
> Maybe the sun's light will be dim
> And it won't matter anyhow.
> If morning's echo says we've sinned,
> Well, it was what I wanted now.
> And if we're the victims of the night,
> I won't be blinded by light.
> 
> Just call me angel of the morning ANGEL
> Just touch my cheek before you leave me, baby.
> Just call me angel of the morning ANGEL
> Then slowly turn away,
> I won't beg you to stay with me
> Through the tears of the day,
> Of the years, baby baby baby.
> Just call me angel of the morning ANGEL
> Just touch my cheek before you leave me, baby.
>
Great song...reminds me of my once intimate friend, Maggie May...
R.G.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[I am the eternal]

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Mike Doughney  wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>>
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk"  wrote:
>
>> I used to see a similar behavior pattern among
>> the supposedly-celibate guys working on staff
>> at Seelisberg and on courses in Europe, but in
>> a heterosexual way. These guys would see a
>> woman they liked and seduce her with the olde
>> "I know that I should be celibate but you're
>> just s beautiful" routine. And after one
>> or two rolls in the hay, they would forget
>> the women.
>>
>> Not just drop them, FORGET them.
>
>

And you're saying that this isn't typical guy behavior?  Love 'em and
leave 'em is a slogan that's been around since the beginning of time.



There'll be no strings to bind your hands
Not if my love can't bind your heart.
And there's no need to take a stand
For it was I who chose to start.
I see no need to take me home,
I'm old enough to face the dawn.

Just call me angel of the morning ANGEL
Just touch my cheek before you leave me, baby.
Just call me angel of the morning ANGEL
then slowly turn away from me.

Maybe the sun's light will be dim
And it won't matter anyhow.
If morning's echo says we've sinned,
Well, it was what I wanted now.
And if we're the victims of the night,
I won't be blinded by light.

Just call me angel of the morning ANGEL
Just touch my cheek before you leave me, baby.
Just call me angel of the morning ANGEL
Then slowly turn away,
I won't beg you to stay with me
Through the tears of the day,
Of the years, baby baby baby.
Just call me angel of the morning ANGEL
Just touch my cheek before you leave me, baby.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Homeland Security Warns of Rightwing Extremists

[enlightened_dawn11]

on the other hand, i am happy to see more balance in the media vs the 
relentless right wing drumbeat by faux news and CNN that we've been subjected 
to over the last 8 years. maybe it means extremes at both ends of the spectrum 
for awhile, but even that is a welcome relief. the Ed Show is quite good.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "boo_lives"  wrote:
> >
> > The report came out just as a right wing militia type extremist killed 
> > several policemen and the right wing routinely discusses armed revolt 
> > against those it does not like.
> > 
> > The DHS has not harassed one non violent right wing nutcase or puma, so 
> > please leave your oppression fantasies aside and teabag in peace.
> > 
> 
> Obama says he won't raise your taxes. Right. He probably won't do it now, but 
> he will have to do it in 2011 on his way out the door because we will be up 
> to our eyeballs in debt.  So here, we have concerned citizens, across party 
> lines, pissed off at both the Democrats and Republicans, having tea parties 
> protesting the indentured servitude they see for their families in the future 
> and all they get is a cheap shot from the Obama toadies at MSNBC, Shuster and 
> Maddow calling them "tea-baggers." Real classy.
> 
> Tea-bagging Urban Dictionary: "The act of dipping a man's ball sack into 
> another person's mouth with the intent of sexual gratification." It can be a 
> heterosexual activity, but usually it is associated with gay men. 
> 
> I always find it interesting that the so-called liberal left, defenders of 
> the oppressed, only give lip service to the support of gays and don't see any 
> hypocrisy using a put down of gay men, "tea-baggers," to disparage fellow 
> citizens protesting rising taxes and out-of-control government spending. Ever 
> since Obama started running for president, this country has lost it mind, 
> manners and compassion. I always considered myself a progressive, but during 
> the primary, I have never seen more cruelty in politics, threats, 
> intimidation, verbal assaults, sexism, racism, lies and cheating than what 
> Obama has allowed the left to dish out. The blogger boyz and the MSNBC 
> talking heads that have fouled America with the stench of cruelty and 
> disrespect for fellow citizens are despicable.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Homeland Security Warns of Rightwing Extremists

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "boo_lives"  wrote:
>
> The report came out just as a right wing militia type extremist killed 
> several policemen and the right wing routinely discusses armed revolt against 
> those it does not like.
> 
> The DHS has not harassed one non violent right wing nutcase or puma, so 
> please leave your oppression fantasies aside and teabag in peace.
> 

Obama says he won't raise your taxes. Right. He probably won't do it now, but 
he will have to do it in 2011 on his way out the door because we will be up to 
our eyeballs in debt.  So here, we have concerned citizens, across party lines, 
pissed off at both the Democrats and Republicans, having tea parties protesting 
the indentured servitude they see for their families in the future and all they 
get is a cheap shot from the Obama toadies at MSNBC, Shuster and Maddow calling 
them "tea-baggers." Real classy.

Tea-bagging Urban Dictionary: "The act of dipping a man's ball sack into 
another person's mouth with the intent of sexual gratification." It can be a 
heterosexual activity, but usually it is associated with gay men. 

I always find it interesting that the so-called liberal left, defenders of the 
oppressed, only give lip service to the support of gays and don't see any 
hypocrisy using a put down of gay men, "tea-baggers," to disparage fellow 
citizens protesting rising taxes and out-of-control government spending. Ever 
since Obama started running for president, this country has lost it mind, 
manners and compassion. I always considered myself a progressive, but during 
the primary, I have never seen more cruelty in politics, threats, intimidation, 
verbal assaults, sexism, racism, lies and cheating than what Obama has allowed 
the left to dish out. The blogger boyz and the MSNBC talking heads that have 
fouled America with the stench of cruelty and disrespect for fellow citizens 
are despicable.

[FairfieldLife] Okay, time is right

[Kirk]

Thanks again peeps for all the fine times. But the shoulder shagging is getting 
a bit furry.  Time for this crying baby to be on his way. Till next time. 
Adios. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: If you had to be a true believer, which one would you be?

[Robert]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
> >
> > TurquoiseB wrote:
> > > I am definitely NOT a Buddhist...
> > >
> > From: Uncle Tantra
> > Subject: Re: The "Disappearing" Of Aran A. Mous 
> > Newsgroups: alt.dreams.castaneda
> > Date: March, 12, 2003 
> > 
> > I'm a Buddhist.
> >
> 
> 
> Where do you get all this stuff from RJ?
> 
> Do you remember it all or do you go in search of
> hopefully embarrassing quotes when someone you don't
> like posts something. Seems like a lot of work either
> way.
> 
> More to the point, are you going to be quoting me at 
> myself in ten years time with irrelevant drivel I posted
> here whilst bored on a tea break or waiting for The Simpsons
> to start?
>
I tend to write spontaneously, when I have something that catches my attention, 
and I want to make a point, or further the discussion, or dispute something I 
feel is off track or doesn't make sense...
Sometimes I research to see if there is anything more I can find on a subject, 
to clarify my point...
I assure you, my intention is not to dredge up some drivel, and I really have 
no interest in watching the Simpsons, as I think it's stupid.
R.G.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If you had to be a true believer, which one would you be?

[Kirk]

In lieu of this fascinating discussion, you got me.  Actually it seems I'm 
part of this dog and pony show wether I mean to be or not.  You guys are 
getting to be a bit smug. (as if) I prefer people of actual integrity.

- Original Message - 
From: "I am the eternal" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If you had to be a true believer, which one 
would you be?


On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 6:15 PM, nablusoss1008  
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>  wrote:
>
>> That has nothing to do with you being Jim and oddly thinking I don't 
>> know. I'm sure you have some metaphysical reason why you are doing this, 
>> but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be something I would care about. I had a 
>> decent posting relationship with you when you weren't playing this game. 
>> Now you are coming across a bit creepy.
>
> Are you not aware that you are coming across as not only "a bit creepy" 
> yourself, but also as the great fool; Barry's main Poodle on FFL that has 
> bought into his fantasies, "sink and hookers" ?

He's got you there, Curtis.  Barry starts it, you pipe in, then Kirk
and or Vaj.  Except Kirk has now absented himself because wasn't
responded to the way he expected.  Poor baby.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: If you had to be a true believer, which one would you be?

[enlightened_dawn11]

correct L.Shaddai-- definitely a group of little boys and girls with Barry as 
the ringleader, playing out their school yard routine, over and over again, 
including Vaj. 

what is funny is how transparent the whole thing is, yet neither Barry, Curtis, 
Vaj or Sal even see it. my experiment today was to post Barry's exact words 
back to Curtis and he was so fixated on it being "Jim" that he didn't realize, 
nor react as if it was Barry. 

this little gang of know-nothings level charges all day and all night at those 
whom they see as inferior to themselves (practitioners of TM), they, the 
know-nothings who see the "truth" and reality behind TM and the Maharishi. and 
yet they are the real true believers on this forum, not a hairsbreadth 
difference of opinion among the lot of them.

not only that, but we all find it incredibly odd that this little gang hasn't 
practiced TM collectively for something like 100 YEARS, over A CENTURY OF 
NON-PRACTICE, but can't do much else but discuss endlessly its shortcomings, 
week in and week out. very, very strange behavior. 

its like if any of the rest of us were to go onto a forum about learning to 
drive, having given it up 20 or 30 years ago, and now constantly screeched 
about how driving was a bad thing, and drivers just did it to feel special, and 
that driving didn't work, didn't get anybody anywhere. 

if this little gang of misfits were to admit their behavior to anyone outside 
of FFL, they'd either be laughed out of the room, or given some very peculiar 
looks:

Barry, Curtis, Vaj or Sal: "Yep, I belong to a forum called Fairfield Life 
(FFL) and mostly write posts critical of elements of TM and its founder, the 
Maharishi"

Barry, Curtis, Vaj or Sal: "uh, no...I haven't practiced the technique for 
awhile. I don't believe in it..."

Barry, Curtis, Vaj or Sal: "right, I talk about it and criticize it constantly"

Barry, Curtis, Vaj or Sal: " uh...I haven't done it for several 
decades...right, twenty or thirty years..."

Barry, Curtis, Vaj or Sal: "my reason for still talking about it?? ...uh...to 
show those who do it how wrong they are...to cast doubt in their minds about 
the practice...to complain about it, and to rehash my now decades old negative 
impressions"

Barry, Curtis, Vaj or Sal: "...right...I've been on the forum for years...What? 
Has anyone stopped or changed their thinking as a result of my thousands of 
posts? u...no..."

Barry, Curtis, Vaj or Sal: "...right, like I said I haven't done TM for 
decades..."

Barry, Curtis, Vaj or Sal: "why am I still on the forum?? ...hey, why are you 
asking me all of these questions anyway? you don't practice TM DO YOU? TM is a 
lousy beginner's technique, for fools and people who are BRAINWASHED! THEY ARE 
TRUE BELIEVERS!! TRUE BELIEVERS, I TELL YOU!!!I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO KEEP 
CRITICIZING TM FOR ANOTHER THIRTY YEARS!!!...I'LL NEVER STOP! I'LL Never 
Stop!...never stop!...never"

isn't there something just plain wrong with that picture??   

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal  wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Vaj  wrote:
> > Are you not aware that you are coming across as not only "a bit creepy"
> > yourself, but also as the great fool; Barry's main Poodle on FFL that has
> > bought into his fantasies, "sink and hookers" ?
> >
> > He's got you there, Curtis.  Barry starts it, you pipe in, then Kirk
> > and or Vaj.  Except Kirk has now absented himself because wasn't
> > responded to the way he expected.  Poor baby.
> >
> >
> > Not an honest answer.
> > I rarely chime in on a Nabby post, if I do it's more incidental than
> > intended. I just don't see his posts as anything worth commenting on...they
> > kinda speak for for themselves and need little comment: like a fundie
> > preacher, a Neocon politician, someone off their Haldol or someone who lost
> > their Thorazine shuffle way too soon.
> >
> 
> One of us misunderstood. I didn't think this tread was about Nabby
> anymore.  I thought it just had to do with the way threats are
> introduced and proceed through the elaboration process.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[Mike Doughney]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk"  wrote:

> I used to see a similar behavior pattern among
> the supposedly-celibate guys working on staff
> at Seelisberg and on courses in Europe, but in
> a heterosexual way. These guys would see a 
> woman they liked and seduce her with the olde
> "I know that I should be celibate but you're
> just s beautiful" routine. And after one
> or two rolls in the hay, they would forget 
> the women. 
> 
> Not just drop them, FORGET them. 


The way this sort of thing was told to me, by a woman (a 
meditator/checker) who was very briefly involved with one such TM 
initiator sleazebag, was that after a night of rolling in the hay, so 
to speak, she was met with hostility and a lot of canned language 
about how their "evolution" had been sidetracked by having sex. After 
having consensual sex, the next morning the guy basically blamed her 
for harming him.

Just another data point illustrating how involvement with the TMO 
correlates with all kinds of unhealthy habits and attitudes, 
particularly with respect to intimate matters, like sex.

[FairfieldLife] Top Ten Questions To Ask Yourself Before Becoming A Somali Pirate

[fflmod]

Top Ten Questions To Ask Yourself Before Becoming A Somali Pirate



  

















Is piracy a recession-proof industry?







How am I at ducking sniper fire?







Is there enough swash in my buckle?







Before committing, should I temp as a pirate?







Am I doing this just to get babes?







Is there an all-inclusive meal plan?







Will I get to meet Johnny Depp?







Will I get along with Ross Ohlendorf? (Sorry, that's a question to ask yourself 
before becoming a Pittsburgh Pirate)







Is there more opportunity for advancement in Al Qaeda?







How's the commute from Jersey?

"Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only 
love." 
 
- Amma  


  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[fflmod]

 
Somebody out of the 2000 members here might be intrigued to consider the topic.

 
Only 1250 members are subscribed to FFL, 150 of whom are bouncing and so 
probably not active. 
 
"Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only 
love." 
 
- Amma  

--- On Wed, 4/15/09, Kirk  wrote:


From: Kirk 
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 9:03 PM


William, there's other people lurking out there who are rarely inspired to 
post due to obvious lack of content. It's to them I asked the question, or 
even to you, if you have a definite, or indefinite opinion. Somebody out of 
the 2000 members here might be intrigued to consider the topic.

But I catch your drift.  More ego here, more often, less valuable 
conversation.

- Original Message - 
From: "Richard J. Williams" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 2:59 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits


> Kirk wrote:
>> > What do you all think? Or is everyone so caught up
>> > in their maras...
>> >
> Curtis wrote:
>> First of all it was Mara who ordered all those disgusting
>> lemon drop shots and it was Mara who conveniently spilled
>> one on her tank top turning her headlights on and which
>> lead me to invite her back to my place where she ate
>> everything in my fridge and then puked into the cat litter
>> box putting an end to any designs I had on her at the
>> beginning of the evening.
>>
> Yep, it always seems to come back to sex with guys like
> Curtis - almost any message is an excuse for posting some
> tid-bit about their sexual repression, or libertinism.
>
> The answer to Kirk is yes, they are so caught up in their
> 'maras' that they think 'maras' is 'Mara' -they don't even
> have a clue what you're talking about Kirk - not a clue.
>
> It's all just an excuse to spout off and pass the time of
> day. I mean, their hero is Vaj and Uncle Tantra and they
> can't stand Judy.
>
> Give it up Kirk - you should know better by now - you've
> been posting for what, ten years now? Do you seriously
> think you are going to find out anything of substance
> from a 'Delta Blues' guy, a 'Vaj Nath' or an 'Uncle Tantra'?
>
> You'd probably find out more about life by visiting a
> bowling alley on Skid Row.
>
>
>
> 
>
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Homeland Security Warns of Rightwing Extremists

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >  , "raunchydog" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Just as Bush tried to squash free speech by rounding up protesters the
> > Republican National Convention in New York in 2004, the hyper vigilance
> > of the DHS will be the undoing of what little we have left of the bill
> > of rights. Get this straight. Most people who go to a protest, whether
> > on the left of right of the political spectrum are law abiding citizens
> > who do not mean the president harm.>
> > 
> > Er, they are not talking about protesters dummy.
> > 
> > They are talking about right-wing armed militia who intend to operate
> > outside the bounds of the law.
> > 
> > OffWorld
> >
>   Wasn't that a similar case in the late seventeen hundreds?
>

Yes, if you are referring to the Continental Army, which "...had no money, and 
few soldiers. The Continental Congress raised eight companies of soldiers, each 
numbering 120 men. These companies were made up entirely of cripples, invalids, 
blind men, and men missing arms and legs. But, they were fighting on there own 
land, for their own land, and for freedom. And, they had a great leader. They 
got supplies by stealing them from the British. (Fort Ticonderoga)

George Washington lamented that the Continental Army had 'very little 
discipline, order or government' at the beginning of the Revolutionary War. As 
the war progressed, his soldiers learned European military drill, and combined 
it with their determination and frontier know-how to defeat the redcoats, one 
of the world's best-trained and best-equipped armies."

Is the DHS preparing to squash a Revolutionary War? It sure as hell sounds like 
it. IMO the power of the DHS is more frightening and a greater danger to our 
freedom than any threat an extremist group could pose to the president. My God, 
if any president was ever in danger of getting whacked, it is likely it would 
have been Bush than the popular president we now have, Obama. Bush is still 
standing and Obama will as well, and without the machinations and propaganda of 
the DHS scaring the shit out of us, causing us to be paranoid and mistrust our 
fellow citizens. Divide and conquer. It's an old trick, doncha know. 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Homeland Security Warns of Rightwing Extremists

[boo_lives]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >  , "raunchydog" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Just as Bush tried to squash free speech by rounding up protesters the
> > Republican National Convention in New York in 2004, the hyper vigilance
> > of the DHS will be the undoing of what little we have left of the bill
> > of rights. Get this straight. Most people who go to a protest, whether
> > on the left of right of the political spectrum are law abiding citizens
> > who do not mean the president harm.>
> > 
> > Er, they are not talking about protesters dummy.
> > 
> > They are talking about right-wing armed militia who intend to operate
> > outside the bounds of the law.
> > 
> > OffWorld
> >
> 
> It is not a coincidence the DHS report came out just in time for the Tea 
> Party protests. Make no mistake about it, this is a warning to the people who 
> disagree with Obama.

The report came out just as a right wing militia type extremist killed several 
policemen and the right wing routinely discusses armed revolt against those it 
does not like.

The DHS has not harassed one non violent right wing nutcase or puma, so please 
leave your oppression fantasies aside and teabag in peace.
 
> 
> The DHS report conveniently leaves out any reference to leftist groups and 
> lumps all conservatives in with a small number of extremists. Shockingly, 
> they also include veterans because they can be turned into Timothy McVeys by 
> extremist groups. So now we should fear veterans? Ridiculous.
> 
> The DHS is an unaccountable political arm of whatever party is in power; 
> first Bush and now Obama. We should disband the entire organization. The 
> right wing wanted the DHS until Obama got it and the left wanted to shut it 
> down when Bush had it. Either way, it only points out the obvious; it is a 
> political organization, that can exert the sort of power not anticipated by 
> the framers of the Constitution.
> 
> "Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor 
> security."
> Benjamin Franklin 
> 
> Youtube: "Obama's Response Tea Party Movement"
> http://tinyurl.com/c34y2v
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Homeland Security Warns of Rightwing Extremists

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , "raunchydog" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Just as Bush tried to squash free speech by rounding up protesters the
> Republican National Convention in New York in 2004, the hyper vigilance
> of the DHS will be the undoing of what little we have left of the bill
> of rights. Get this straight. Most people who go to a protest, whether
> on the left of right of the political spectrum are law abiding citizens
> who do not mean the president harm.>
> 
> Er, they are not talking about protesters dummy.
> 
> They are talking about right-wing armed militia who intend to operate
> outside the bounds of the law.
> 
> OffWorld
>
  Wasn't that a similar case in the late seventeen hundreds?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Homeland Security Warns of Rightwing Extremists

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , "raunchydog" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Just as Bush tried to squash free speech by rounding up protesters the
> Republican National Convention in New York in 2004, the hyper vigilance
> of the DHS will be the undoing of what little we have left of the bill
> of rights. Get this straight. Most people who go to a protest, whether
> on the left of right of the political spectrum are law abiding citizens
> who do not mean the president harm.>
> 
> Er, they are not talking about protesters dummy.
> 
> They are talking about right-wing armed militia who intend to operate
> outside the bounds of the law.
> 
> OffWorld
>

It is not a coincidence the DHS report came out just in time for the Tea Party 
protests. Make no mistake about it, this is a warning to the people who 
disagree with Obama.

The DHS report conveniently leaves out any reference to leftist groups and 
lumps all conservatives in with a small number of extremists. Shockingly, they 
also include veterans because they can be turned into Timothy McVeys by 
extremist groups. So now we should fear veterans? Ridiculous.

The DHS is an unaccountable political arm of whatever party is in power; first 
Bush and now Obama. We should disband the entire organization. The right wing 
wanted the DHS until Obama got it and the left wanted to shut it down when Bush 
had it. Either way, it only points out the obvious; it is a political 
organization, that can exert the sort of power not anticipated by the framers 
of the Constitution.

"Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security."
Benjamin Franklin 

Youtube: "Obama's Response Tea Party Movement"
http://tinyurl.com/c34y2v

[FairfieldLife] Re: Homeland Security Warns of Rightwing Extremists

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> Just as Bush tried to squash free speech by rounding up protesters the 
> Republican National Convention in New York in 2004, the hyper vigilance of 
> the DHS will be the undoing of what little we have left of the bill of 
> rights. Get this straight. Most people who go to a protest, whether on the 
> left of right of the political spectrum are law abiding citizens who do not 
> mean the president harm. If you cheer an indiscriminate sweep of protesters 
> in a climate of paranoia, or spying on fellow citizens with whom you 
> disagree, you risk sacrificing your own right to petition your government and 
> so much more. 
> 
>snip
  If you disagree with government policy you become a terrorist?
  Thing are starting to look suspicious- does anyone notice?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[Sal Sunshine]

On Apr 15, 2009, at 8:03 PM, Kirk wrote:

William, there's other people lurking out there who are rarely  
inspired to
post due to obvious lack of content. It's to them I asked the  
question, or
even to you, if you have a definite, or indefinite opinion. Somebody  
out of

the 2000 members here might be intrigued to consider the topic.

But I catch your drift.  More ego here, more often, less valuable
conversation.


You got an ego here, an ego there, and pretty
soon you're talking real egos!

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk"  wrote:
> >
> > Ah, my experience is that yagyas have an effect.
> 
> I don't believe that causality is ever experienced.  It is belief that 
> bridges the cause and the effect in a person's mind.
> 
>

Good explanation.  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[I am the eternal]

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Kirk  wrote:
> Ah, my experience is that yagyas have an effect. But then I do have them
> done and I don't just spout off about them without ever having had one.
>
> Some people get on a flippant roll and think they actually are saying
> something.

I have not done yagnas but have assisted in my own yagnas.   I've
sponsored perhaps 1,200 yagnas.  Then there was a year or two of
abortive yagnas with Ben Collins and my monthly yagns since 8/2005
with Yagna by Choice.

I have very powerful experiences with Yagna by Choice yagnas.  The
question doesn't come up, I don't believe, on the moral or sexual
activities of the pundits who perform my yagnas, since they are former
Maharish pundits who live, quite happily in a Vedic village.  These
are sidhas but they aren't part of the TMO machine.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk"  wrote:
>
> Ah, my experience is that yagyas have an effect.

I don't believe that causality is ever experienced.  It is belief that bridges 
the cause and the effect in a person's mind.

 But then I do have them 
> done and I don't just spout off about them without ever having had one.

I actually have had a few and was there in person. Very enjoyable.  They have 
all sorts of benifits other than the claimed results.  I'm not selling you my 
POV, but it wasn't gained by me being never having had one.



> 
> Some people get on a flippant roll and think they actually are saying 
> something.
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "curtisdeltablues" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 1:40 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits
> 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk"  wrote:
> >>
> >> I am sorry but this whole Maharishi gayness thread is wa off track as
> >> pertains to any sort of import.  My original question, I thought, was 
> >> much
> >> more ineresting and would provide much more insight into mechanics of
> >> consciousness than this flubber.
> >
> > You talking about my stomach or my argument?  I want you to know that I 
> > have a perfectly good set of six pack abs under there which I am 
> > protecting with that layer contributed mostly by members of the porcine 
> > product line.  When I grow it thick enough I'm gunna cure it into bacon.
> >
> >>
> >> My question was, does the ethos of the individual pundit effect the 
> >> outcome > of a yagya?
> >
> > No.  The outcome is equally nil except as a believe enhancing ritual for 
> > the participants and whoever was unlucky enough to give their money to 
> > have it done.
> >
> >
> > What do you all think? Or is everyone so caught up in their
> >> maras
> >
> > First of all it was Mara who ordered all those disgusting lemon drop shots 
> > and it was Mara who conveniently spilled one on her tank top turning her 
> > headlights on and which lead me to invite her back to my place where she 
> > ate everything in my fridge and then puked into the cat litter box putting 
> > an end to any designs I had on her at the beginning of the evening.
> >
> > that they can't think coherently any longer?
> >>
> >> My guess is yes.
> >
> > Well you got that right.  Functioning while not being able to think 
> > coherently is a bit of a hobby for me.  My favorite is attempting to 
> > perform music that way.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Anyway, neverthefuckmind. it's all theory, and therefore as specious as 
> >> the
> >> present argument. I'll come back tomorrow when people wake up - 
> >> hopefully.
> >
> > And after I get all that Mara puke out of my cat box, hopefully.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> - Original Message - 
> >> From: "Duveyoung" 
> >> To: 
> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:13 AM
> >> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits
> >>
> >>
> >> > "curtisdeltablues"  wrote:
> >> > So you are still missing the point?  It is the hypocrisy of his 
> >> > position
> >> > on gayness that I am criticizing. Not that he might be gay.  You remind 
> >> > me
> >> > of my cats Judy.  When I point my finger at a treat, they look at my
> >> > finger.
> >> >
> >> > Curtis,
> >> >
> >> > Now that was funny.  Judy in a nutshellemphasis on the word 
> >> > "shell."
> >> >
> >> > I'm continually amazed that you debate her when you know it will come 
> >> > to
> >> > naught in terms of helping her evolve her POV.
> >> >
> >> > I'm guessing that you do it as an intellectual exercise for your own
> >> > benefit -- practice makes clarity.
> >> >
> >> > Edg
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 
> >> >
> >> > To subscribe, send a message to:
> >> > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com
> >> >
> >> > Or go to:
> >> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
> >> > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> > To subscribe, send a message to:
> > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Or go to:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
> > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[Kirk]

William, there's other people lurking out there who are rarely inspired to 
post due to obvious lack of content. It's to them I asked the question, or 
even to you, if you have a definite, or indefinite opinion. Somebody out of 
the 2000 members here might be intrigued to consider the topic.

But I catch your drift.  More ego here, more often, less valuable 
conversation.

- Original Message - 
From: "Richard J. Williams" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 2:59 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits


> Kirk wrote:
>> > What do you all think? Or is everyone so caught up
>> > in their maras...
>> >
> Curtis wrote:
>> First of all it was Mara who ordered all those disgusting
>> lemon drop shots and it was Mara who conveniently spilled
>> one on her tank top turning her headlights on and which
>> lead me to invite her back to my place where she ate
>> everything in my fridge and then puked into the cat litter
>> box putting an end to any designs I had on her at the
>> beginning of the evening.
>>
> Yep, it always seems to come back to sex with guys like
> Curtis - almost any message is an excuse for posting some
> tid-bit about their sexual repression, or libertinism.
>
> The answer to Kirk is yes, they are so caught up in their
> 'maras' that they think 'maras' is 'Mara' -they don't even
> have a clue what you're talking about Kirk - not a clue.
>
> It's all just an excuse to spout off and pass the time of
> day. I mean, their hero is Vaj and Uncle Tantra and they
> can't stand Judy.
>
> Give it up Kirk - you should know better by now - you've
> been posting for what, ten years now? Do you seriously
> think you are going to find out anything of substance
> from a 'Delta Blues' guy, a 'Vaj Nath' or an 'Uncle Tantra'?
>
> You'd probably find out more about life by visiting a
> bowling alley on Skid Row.
>
>
>
> 
>
> To subscribe, send a message to:
> fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com
>
> Or go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
> and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[Kirk]

Ah, my experience is that yagyas have an effect. But then I do have them 
done and I don't just spout off about them without ever having had one.

Some people get on a flippant roll and think they actually are saying 
something.

- Original Message - 
From: "curtisdeltablues" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 1:40 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk"  wrote:
>>
>> I am sorry but this whole Maharishi gayness thread is wa off track as
>> pertains to any sort of import.  My original question, I thought, was 
>> much
>> more ineresting and would provide much more insight into mechanics of
>> consciousness than this flubber.
>
> You talking about my stomach or my argument?  I want you to know that I 
> have a perfectly good set of six pack abs under there which I am 
> protecting with that layer contributed mostly by members of the porcine 
> product line.  When I grow it thick enough I'm gunna cure it into bacon.
>
>>
>> My question was, does the ethos of the individual pundit effect the 
>> outcome > of a yagya?
>
> No.  The outcome is equally nil except as a believe enhancing ritual for 
> the participants and whoever was unlucky enough to give their money to 
> have it done.
>
>
> What do you all think? Or is everyone so caught up in their
>> maras
>
> First of all it was Mara who ordered all those disgusting lemon drop shots 
> and it was Mara who conveniently spilled one on her tank top turning her 
> headlights on and which lead me to invite her back to my place where she 
> ate everything in my fridge and then puked into the cat litter box putting 
> an end to any designs I had on her at the beginning of the evening.
>
> that they can't think coherently any longer?
>>
>> My guess is yes.
>
> Well you got that right.  Functioning while not being able to think 
> coherently is a bit of a hobby for me.  My favorite is attempting to 
> perform music that way.
>
>
>>
>> Anyway, neverthefuckmind. it's all theory, and therefore as specious as 
>> the
>> present argument. I'll come back tomorrow when people wake up - 
>> hopefully.
>
> And after I get all that Mara puke out of my cat box, hopefully.
>
>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Duveyoung" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:13 AM
>> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits
>>
>>
>> > "curtisdeltablues"  wrote:
>> > So you are still missing the point?  It is the hypocrisy of his 
>> > position
>> > on gayness that I am criticizing. Not that he might be gay.  You remind 
>> > me
>> > of my cats Judy.  When I point my finger at a treat, they look at my
>> > finger.
>> >
>> > Curtis,
>> >
>> > Now that was funny.  Judy in a nutshellemphasis on the word 
>> > "shell."
>> >
>> > I'm continually amazed that you debate her when you know it will come 
>> > to
>> > naught in terms of helping her evolve her POV.
>> >
>> > I'm guessing that you do it as an intellectual exercise for your own
>> > benefit -- practice makes clarity.
>> >
>> > Edg
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> > To subscribe, send a message to:
>> > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com
>> >
>> > Or go to:
>> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
>> > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> To subscribe, send a message to:
> fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com
>
> Or go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
> and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fairfield in the news

[Sal Sunshine]

On Apr 15, 2009, at 4:44 PM, Rick Archer wrote:


14 GREEN MAYORS  In the News!

Ed Malloy, Fairfield  is on the 4th page 
:http://cityguides.msn.com/citylife/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=19025643&imageindex=4


Remember the good old days?
Rasmussen, eat your heart out...

Sal

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: MSN - 14 Greenest Mayors, includes Fairfield Mayor Ed Malloy

[Sal Sunshine]

Looks pretty white to me...

Sal

Re: [FairfieldLife] Homeland Security Warns of Rightwing Extremists

[Sal Sunshine]

On Apr 15, 2009, at 10:38 AM, do.rflex wrote:


LONE WOLVES

"Despite similarities to the climate of the 1990s, the threat posed  
by lone wolves and small terrorist cells is more pronounced than in  
past years," the report said.


The Internet has made it easier to locate specific targets,  
communicate with like-minded people and find information on bombs  
and weapons, it said.


Extremist groups are preying on fears that President Barack Obama,  
the first African American U.S. president, would restrict gun  
ownership, boost immigration and expand social programs for  
minorities, the report said.


It said such groups were also exploiting anti-Semitic sentiment with  
accusations that "a cabal of Jewish financial elites" had conspired  
to collapse the economy.


Oh, them again.

Sal

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34 nablusoss1008 
28 Robert 
27 Vaj 
26 "Richard J. Williams" 
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16 ruthsimplicity 
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[FairfieldLife] MSV Vastu Association of Fairfield

[dhamiltony2k5]

Begin forwarded message:


From: Maharishi Sthapatya Veda Coordinating Council of Fairfield 

Date: April 15, 2009 4:41:30 PM CDT


Subject: Vastu Association of Fairfield - Next Meeting April 20th in the  
Festival Hall


Vastu Association of Fairfield - Next Meeting April 20th in the Festival Hall.  
See times, as follows:
 
Agenda
8:15 pm:  Strategies for Renters - Creating a base of participants to inspire 
an investor to build.  Budget for advertising to find more participants.
8:25 pm:  Land Purchase Briefing - This information will directly apply to 
those who are able and ready to pay $10,000 to $15,000 for land close to campus 
and interested to consider making an offer within the next two to three weeks 
on land available for purchase.  We will discuss the steps to create a Vastu 
Homeowners' Association (see points below).
8:45 pm:  Questions and Answers
8:50 pm:  Reports from researchers as available, and breakout group discussion 
for: those who wish to participate in land acquisition activities at a later 
date those who wish to live in a remote, rural location not close to campus
 
 
POINTS FOR MAKING AN OFFER ON LAND AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE
 
Land is available.  This session will briefly layout some preliminary 
requirements for making an offer to purchase land.
 
Some points for potential members of the "Land Purchase Session" to consider 
are: 
How many people are ready to participate in an offer to purchase.  If the offer 
is accepted, then the following points will need to be considered. 
Are you prepared in the next 4 to 6 weeks to commit a payment of $10,000 to 
$15,000 to a Vastu Homeowners' Association for the purchase of land, if we all 
decide that this is what we want? 
Are you prepared to bring a check for $100 to a land purchase offer meeting?  
Funds will be for refundable earnest money and, as directed by the group, for 
necessary evaluation expenses (Like Vastu evaluation, etc.)  (Earnest money 
accompanies a buyer offer, and could be anywhere from $1000 to $3000.)  Further 
details will be explained. 
Are you prepared for appropriate real estate attorney expenses to set up a 
Maharishi Vastu Homeowners' Association once the offer we submit to purchase 
the property has been accepted? 
Are you ready to sign a MEMBERSHIP & CONFIDENTIALITY AGREEMENT ?
If there is sufficient interest and financial strength to make an offer on 
land, then those interested in moving forward with the purchase offer (a formal 
legal agreement to purchase land for a specific price that we would set) will 
need to meet again separately to:
Read and sign a membership and confidentiality agreement to commit our 
participation to legally and financially establish a Homeowners' Association to 
make the land offer, and an agreement to maintain the privacy and integrity of 
the information regarding the land.  
The details of the land parcels available will be presented.  We will arrange 
to view the land sites.  There are at least two excellent possibilities, close 
to campus.  
A general discussion will enable questions to be resolved and a procedure for 
going forward to be drafted.  
Funds for the earnest money and evaluation fees could be discussed and a date 
set when the first input of funds would be collected from all members.
Following the preliminary purchase meeting, and the collection of preliminary 
funds,
We will obtain appropriate real estate, legal and negotiating advice to obtain 
the best deal, and to conform with State and local laws. 
We will obtain appropriate Maharishi Vastu advice to ensure the land conforms 
to MSV principles. 
We will obtain engineering bids to estimate the cost of bringing in utilities, 
of earth-moving, etc. 
We will submit a bid for the land or lands of choice, along with refundable 
earnest money deposit, and negotiate the final sale price with the total 
unanimous approval of ALL MEMBERS.  
Any member may opt out prior to the purchase date if they consider the final 
price is too high, and have their deposit refunded, less their share of 
expenses to date, 
However the TOTAL CONFIDENTIALITY AGREEMENT will remain in force.  That is, 
once we have received the private information about this purchase possibility, 
it is considered a confidential business agreement and may not be discussed 
outside the member group.  This is the standard legal procedure in the case of 
any business, or in this case a group or joint purchase.  This privacy 
agreement helps ensure the strength of our group will not be compromised.
You may wish to print this message to follow the discussion.
 
Jai Guru Dev

Maharishi Vastu Association of Fairfield

[FairfieldLife] Republican Party will become Generational Minority

[off_world_beings]

Republican Party will become Generational Minority.

WOOOH ! ! !

How's that feel FFL  Bush and McCain supporters?  Ha ha !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZfKFsBlII0


OffWorld

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If you had to be a true believer, which one would you be?

[I am the eternal]

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Vaj  wrote:
> Are you not aware that you are coming across as not only "a bit creepy"
> yourself, but also as the great fool; Barry's main Poodle on FFL that has
> bought into his fantasies, "sink and hookers" ?
>
> He's got you there, Curtis.  Barry starts it, you pipe in, then Kirk
> and or Vaj.  Except Kirk has now absented himself because wasn't
> responded to the way he expected.  Poor baby.
>
>
> Not an honest answer.
> I rarely chime in on a Nabby post, if I do it's more incidental than
> intended. I just don't see his posts as anything worth commenting on...they
> kinda speak for for themselves and need little comment: like a fundie
> preacher, a Neocon politician, someone off their Haldol or someone who lost
> their Thorazine shuffle way too soon.
>

One of us misunderstood. I didn't think this tread was about Nabby
anymore.  I thought it just had to do with the way threats are
introduced and proceed through the elaboration process.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If you had to be a true believer, which one would you be?

[Vaj]

On Apr 15, 2009, at 7:20 PM, I am the eternal wrote:

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 6:15 PM, nablusoss1008 > wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
 wrote:


That has nothing to do with you being Jim and oddly thinking I  
don't know. I'm sure you have some metaphysical reason why you are  
doing this, but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be something I would  
care about.  I had a decent posting relationship with you when you  
weren't playing this game.  Now you are coming across a bit creepy.


Are you not aware that you are coming across as not only "a bit  
creepy" yourself, but also as the great fool; Barry's main Poodle  
on FFL that has bought into his fantasies, "sink and hookers" ?


He's got you there, Curtis.  Barry starts it, you pipe in, then Kirk
and or Vaj.  Except Kirk has now absented himself because wasn't
responded to the way he expected.  Poor baby.



Not an honest answer.

I rarely chime in on a Nabby post, if I do it's more incidental than  
intended. I just don't see his posts as anything worth commenting  
on...they kinda speak for for themselves and need little comment: like  
a fundie preacher, a Neocon politician, someone off their Haldol or  
someone who lost their Thorazine shuffle way too soon.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If you had to be a true believer, which one would you be?

[I am the eternal]

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 6:15 PM, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>  wrote:
>
>> That has nothing to do with you being Jim and oddly thinking I don't know. 
>> I'm sure you have some metaphysical reason why you are doing this, but I'm 
>> pretty sure it wouldn't be something I would care about.  I had a decent 
>> posting relationship with you when you weren't playing this game.  Now you 
>> are coming across a bit creepy.
>
> Are you not aware that you are coming across as not only "a bit creepy" 
> yourself, but also as the great fool; Barry's main Poodle on FFL that has 
> bought into his fantasies, "sink and hookers" ?

He's got you there, Curtis.  Barry starts it, you pipe in, then Kirk
and or Vaj.  Except Kirk has now absented himself because wasn't
responded to the way he expected.  Poor baby.

[FairfieldLife] Re: If you had to be a true believer, which one would you be?

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
 
> That has nothing to do with you being Jim and oddly thinking I don't know. 
> I'm sure you have some metaphysical reason why you are doing this, but I'm 
> pretty sure it wouldn't be something I would care about.  I had a decent 
> posting relationship with you when you weren't playing this game.  Now you 
> are coming across a bit creepy.

Are you not aware that you are coming across as not only "a bit creepy" 
yourself, but also as the great fool; Barry's main Poodle on FFL that has 
bought into his fantasies, "sink and hookers" ?

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Conspiracy Theories

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Did it ever occur to you how utterly and intensely boring you present 
> yourself  ?

No, I have my fans including myself.  I am always entertained by what I write.  
I make my whole living out of not being boring, so you are not going to get 
much traction out of that angle.

Try another one, and lets see if you can hurt my feelings in order to express 
how spiritual and on a higher level you are to me.



>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Conspiracy Theories

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:


Did it ever occur to you how utterly and intensely boring you present yourself  
?

[FairfieldLife] Re: If you had to be a true believer, which one would you be?

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11  wrote:
>
> kinda funny you thinking that was "Jim" in my last post. 

Dude I'm over it. I know who you are.  

to paraphrase Richard, its all about "Jim", isn't it? please see post 210889 
from March 4th. 

so you were quoting a Turq's post in your last post adding another layer of 
insincerity since you didn't put it in quotes.  Got ya.  I took it as a sincere 
post and answered you honestly.  You got me!  Fooled me.  You are the little 
trickster aren't you!

That has nothing to do with you being Jim and oddly thinking I don't know. I'm 
sure you have some metaphysical reason why you are doing this, but I'm pretty 
sure it wouldn't be something I would care about.  I had a decent posting 
relationship with you when you weren't playing this game.  Now you are coming 
across a bit creepy.

  


> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11  wrote:
> > >
> > > i'm not terribly hung up about sex. i talk about it here far more often 
> > > than i actually have sex. But i do talk about it often because so many 
> > > here are caught up in rigid views about sex and sexuality that they seem 
> > > to have picked up from the spiritual, social, and religious systems that 
> > > they are "within" and that they identify with. 
> > > 
> > > so i post funny or light stuff about sex and then just step back and 
> > > watch to see who can respond in a similar funny or light manner and who 
> > > cannot, and feels that they have to respond in an emotionally-charged 
> > > "heavy" way.
> > 
> > Hey perhaps I am guilty as charged for taking it too seriously.  With the 
> > context of your other harsh posts I took it seriously.  So if I missed a 
> > joke at my expense, sorry Jim.  I'll try seeing it from that angle next 
> > time first. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > talk about a couple of latent homosexuals...
> > > > 
> > > > Using the accusation of homosexuality as a personal insult...  I 
> > > > haven't seen this kind of enlightened perspective since around 5th 
> > > > grade.  There are many ugly things in your using this phrase this way 
> > > > Jim. But the more you repeat it, the more I wonder about that dress of 
> > > > yours.  What IS that all about?
> > > > 
> > > > But give our love to your toddler. It must be sooo hard chasing around 
> > > > the little tyke at your age.  So did you risk the advanced age 
> > > > pregnancy or did you go all Madonna and Angelina and just buy one?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 
> > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jim? you have your opinion, Barry, and i have mine. 
> > > > > > > > aside from your confused mind, we'll just leave it 
> > > > > > > > at that. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Oooohh, I get it now. I call you by your REAL name 
> > > > > > > and then you call me by a FAKE name and that makes 
> > > > > > > it look like the REAL name I called you is a FAKE 
> > > > > > > name too!  You are like some kind of Vedic secret 
> > > > > > > agent moving through the world aren't you Jim?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Is that what it is?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I thought that the putdown du jour was 
> > > > > > to call *everyone* you don't like "Barry."
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The idea is that Judy has spent so many
> > > > > > years demonizing the name "Barry" that if
> > > > > > you called Gandhi "Barry" everyone would
> > > > > > think that he was Satan.  :-)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 
> > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > glad you think so, Barry.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Little too late for that routine Jim.  You had your little 
> > > > > > > > > run.  Now it's over.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 
> > > > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > talk about a couple of latent homosexuals...
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Wow, very enlightened Jim.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bhakti -- The Double-Edged Sword

[enlightened_dawn11]

if you get off on the idea of enlightenment more than you get off on the other 
things in your life, then by all means you should pursue it. And you should 
pursue it one-pointedly, if that's how you think such things should be done.

But I'm going to pass on that one. Been there, done that, didn't find "there" 
that much different or better than "here." I'm going to focus on appreciating 
here, and now, and leave pursuit of something that lies in their future to 
those who like that sorta thing.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> Since it appears that the only person on this 
> forum who noticed the caveats that I put into
> my posts on the subject of guru-bhakti in big
> capital letters that Judy (typically) mistook
> for shouting, I will spell out what my insertion
> of the phrase ON ONE LEVEL meant.
> 
> It meant that there are MANY ways of viewing and
> interpreting the practice of guru-bhakti, NONE
> of them "the truth," NONE of them the "definitive"
> definition of the practice.
> 
> ON ONE LEVEL, I think that anyone who can't see
> that the thousands of years of "men in monasteries"
> ragging on women and describing them as temptresses
> whose only function in life is to lure men away from
> the true path to God and righteousness as...uh...more
> than a little gay has got their head firmly up the
> orifice leading to their lowest chakra.
> 
> ON ANOTHER LEVEL, I can see that bhakti has some
> positive benefits for the beginning spiritual seeker.
> By encouraging such beginners to project all of their
> most positive fantasies onto the teacher, those 
> students are trained to *focus* on these positive 
> qualities. True, NONE of these qualities may actually 
> be present in the teachers they project them onto, or 
> may exist in them only to the same extent they exist 
> in us, but focusing on the positive qualities has merit, 
> and may in the long run have some kind of lasting 
> spiritual benefit.
> 
> HOWEVER (that was not a shout, Judy...merely emphasis),
> such projection also has a substantial *drawback* in
> my opinion because it is by definition *externalization*
> of these positive qualities. By following the tenets of
> guru-bhakti and projecting them onto one's teacher, one
> is effectively raising the teacher on a pedestal of
> projected good qualities. And that's cool, I guess, if
> you get off on that sorta thing, except that the higher
> you make the pedestal via the projection of these good
> qualities, the further your teacher is away from you. 
> And the "higher" the pedestal, the "lower" by comparison 
> you become.
> 
> I think that a more possibly valuable practice of 
> bhakti might involve skipping the guru component 
> entirely and projecting these high and noble qualities 
> onto OURSELVES.
> 
> They are all WITHIN us. They are NOT merely external,
> embodied only in the people who have convinced us that
> they embody them and that we do not. 
> 
> Bhakti "cuts both ways." The more you project these
> higher qualities of life onto a guru-figure, the more
> you project those qualities outward, *away* from 
> yourself. And the more that you train yourself to see
> them only in an external being, separate from your 
> self, the less able you are to see those same qualities
> in your self, and thus recognize it as inseparable from
> your Self.
> 
> So bhakti yourself silly, if that's what gets you off.
> Me, I think it's wiser to treat the teachers in our lives
> as our EQUALS, not our superiors. I think it's wiser to
> think of them as residing on the same "level" that we
> do, not up on some idealized pedestal. I think it's
> wiser to realize that we cannot even *imagine* something 
> in these teachers that is not *already* present in 
> ourselves. And if it's already present, why externalize 
> it? Why not just realize it and live it?
> 
> Your mileage may vary.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Conspiracy Theories

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>

> 
> Do you want me to take you seriously;

I don't know what that might mean in your fantasy world.

< do you want to know where Lincoln is living today ?>

He is dead.  He isn't living anywhere now.

> I will not tell hillbillies

Ouch! Come one now, poodles are sooo cute and hillbillies aren't ( at least the 
GUY hillbillies.)  Now the chicks at Petticoat Junction and Elly-May Clampett 
were lookers.

< like you what neighbourhood Lincoln is living in DC today.>

Let me guess, someone with an British accent TOLD you this.

< You could easily become a security-problem. >

I would ask him to cough up a buck like anyone else walking by me while busking 
but otherwise I never associate with zombies back from the dead. (After one 
drink the brain eating always starts.)



Well at least I'm not claiming I know where dead people live after their 
Thriller video rise from the dead.

< Many hillbillies are, due to extensive inbreeding.>

You will kindly leave my parents out of this conversation.  You couldn't be 
more wrong about them.

> 
> Regarding Maitreya; it's far beyond you ability to comprehend, unfortunately. 

Well you got that right.  Like IF God was coming back to straighten out the 
mess he created here, why would he let YOU in on it?  I find that more 
incomprehensible than the whole Maitreya nonsense itself.



And deprive me of your enlightenment?  I'm guessing that the first thing God is 
gunna do when he gets here is round up nasty pieces of work like you.  Remember 
how UN-elitist Jesus was?  He was all for the commoner, not people like you.  
I'm thinking that after a couple of bourbons Maitreya and I will be big buddies 
and the first bug I'm putting in his ear is to send you and your kind to 
Calcutta for a lesson in the rest of humanity beneath your upturned nose.
> 
> But I do wish you well.

Obviously.  The sincere love came right through the layers of malicious 
putdowns.  Right through.  Not gunna help you one bit when I get Maitreya on my 
side though.  Once we start high fiving like old fraternity buddies I'm gunna 
get him to open a can of old Yaweh cosmic wup ass on you.  Those cans must be 
getting mighty ripe by now.



>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Homeland Security Warns of Rightwing Extremists

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "raunchydog" 
wrote:
>
> Just as Bush tried to squash free speech by rounding up protesters the
Republican National Convention in New York in 2004, the hyper vigilance
of the DHS will be the undoing of what little we have left of the bill
of rights. Get this straight. Most people who go to a protest, whether
on the left of right of the political spectrum are law abiding citizens
who do not mean the president harm.>

Er, they are not talking about protesters dummy.

They are talking about right-wing armed militia who intend to operate
outside the bounds of the law.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: If you had to be a true believer, which one would you be?

[enlightened_dawn11]

kinda funny you thinking that was "Jim" in my last post. to paraphrase Richard, 
its all about "Jim", isn't it? please see post 210889 from March 4th. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11  wrote:
> >
> > i'm not terribly hung up about sex. i talk about it here far more often 
> > than i actually have sex. But i do talk about it often because so many here 
> > are caught up in rigid views about sex and sexuality that they seem to have 
> > picked up from the spiritual, social, and religious systems that they are 
> > "within" and that they identify with. 
> > 
> > so i post funny or light stuff about sex and then just step back and watch 
> > to see who can respond in a similar funny or light manner and who cannot, 
> > and feels that they have to respond in an emotionally-charged "heavy" way.
> 
> Hey perhaps I am guilty as charged for taking it too seriously.  With the 
> context of your other harsh posts I took it seriously.  So if I missed a joke 
> at my expense, sorry Jim.  I'll try seeing it from that angle next time 
> first. 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > talk about a couple of latent homosexuals...
> > > 
> > > Using the accusation of homosexuality as a personal insult...  I haven't 
> > > seen this kind of enlightened perspective since around 5th grade.  There 
> > > are many ugly things in your using this phrase this way Jim. But the more 
> > > you repeat it, the more I wonder about that dress of yours.  What IS that 
> > > all about?
> > > 
> > > But give our love to your toddler. It must be sooo hard chasing around 
> > > the little tyke at your age.  So did you risk the advanced age pregnancy 
> > > or did you go all Madonna and Angelina and just buy one?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jim? you have your opinion, Barry, and i have mine. 
> > > > > > > aside from your confused mind, we'll just leave it 
> > > > > > > at that. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Oooohh, I get it now. I call you by your REAL name 
> > > > > > and then you call me by a FAKE name and that makes 
> > > > > > it look like the REAL name I called you is a FAKE 
> > > > > > name too!  You are like some kind of Vedic secret 
> > > > > > agent moving through the world aren't you Jim?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Is that what it is?
> > > > > 
> > > > > I thought that the putdown du jour was 
> > > > > to call *everyone* you don't like "Barry."
> > > > > 
> > > > > The idea is that Judy has spent so many
> > > > > years demonizing the name "Barry" that if
> > > > > you called Gandhi "Barry" everyone would
> > > > > think that he was Satan.  :-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 
> > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > glad you think so, Barry.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Little too late for that routine Jim.  You had your little run. 
> > > > > > > >  Now it's over.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 
> > > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > talk about a couple of latent homosexuals...
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Wow, very enlightened Jim.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 
> > > > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Williams"  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Judy Stein 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: For Uncle Tantra about DHMO 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: March 20, 2004 
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Barry simply cannot stop himself from lying, 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > even when he knows there isn't the slightest
> > > > > > > > > > > > > chance of his fooling anybody...
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Bingo. But he does manange to fool some fools. Curtis 
> > > > > > > > > > > > comes to mind; he always buyes into whatever is the new 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Barry fantasy.
> > > > > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Conspiracy Theories

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> snip
> > 
> > 
> > Poodle;
> 
> Let's see, smartest dog under Border Collie on the intelligence chart, 
> hypoallergenic, almost made it into the White House if it wasn't for that 
> bitch Portuguese Water Dog, better than "hillbilly", OK I'll take that.
> 
> < why do you believe everything someone tells you in the first place ?>
> 
> Yeah, thats MY biggest problem.  Now let's get back to how you KNOW where 
> Lincoln reincarnated and how you KNOW all about Lord Maitreya...
> 
> > 
> > I'm extremely close to advice you to have a checking, but I will not 
> > because I do not want to waste the time of the TM-Teacher.
> 
> Whao, stinging rebuke!  But seriously let's get back to  how you KNOW where 
> Lincoln reincarnated and how you KNOW all about Lord Maitreya...

Do you want me to take you seriously; do you want to know where Lincoln is 
living today ? 
I will not tell hillbillies like you what neighbourhood Lincoln is living in DC 
today. You could easily become a security-problem. In fact from all your 
unstable comments on FFL you are a walking security-relability. Many 
hillbillies are, due to extensive inbreeding.

Regarding Maitreya; it's far beyond you ability to comprehend, unfortunately. 
So we can safely leave that issue out as well. 

But I do wish you well.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If you had to be a true believer, which one would you be?

[Vaj]

On Apr 15, 2009, at 10:32 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


The idea is that Judy has spent so many
years demonizing the name "Barry" that if
you called Gandhi "Barry" everyone would
think that he was Satan.  :-)



Your online relationship with the Judy-shakti always reminds me of the  
Richard Thompson song "I Can't Wake Up To Save My Life" which is a  
song about a relationship which is more like a nightmare that you  
can't wake up from, even if it means dying!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thom Hartmann and Alex Jones Simulcast

[Bhairitu]

Richard J. Williams wrote:
> Bhairitu wrote:
>   
>> In the second hour of both broadcaster's shows 
>> Thom Hartmann and Alex Jones are going to be 
>> simulcasting with each interviewing each other 
>> and taking calls.  
>>
>> 
> According to what I've read, in early 2000 Jones 
> was one of seven Republican candidates for state 
> representative in Texas House District 48, an 
> open seat swing district based in Austin, Texas. 
Nope. Alex is in his early to mid 30's and does get confused with that 
individual.

[FairfieldLife] Fairfield in the news

[Rick Archer]

14 GREEN MAYORS  In the News!  

Ed Malloy, Fairfield  is on the 4th page :
http://cityguides.msn.com/citylife/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=19025643&ima
geindex=4

--
I was contacted by someone from MSN.com last week about a story they were
doing on  Green Mayors. I don't know how they got my name, but they
published the story today
http://cityguides.msn.com/citylife/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=19025643.
We're in pretty good company! He asked for a non-traditional photo (head
shot) so I sent a picture speaking to the President when he was in Fairfield
and told him we were having a conversation about sustainable communities.
Enjoy!
 Ed 
 

[FairfieldLife] Bhakti -- The Double-Edged Sword

[TurquoiseB]

Since it appears that the only person on this 
forum who noticed the caveats that I put into
my posts on the subject of guru-bhakti in big
capital letters that Judy (typically) mistook
for shouting, I will spell out what my insertion
of the phrase ON ONE LEVEL meant.

It meant that there are MANY ways of viewing and
interpreting the practice of guru-bhakti, NONE
of them "the truth," NONE of them the "definitive"
definition of the practice.

ON ONE LEVEL, I think that anyone who can't see
that the thousands of years of "men in monasteries"
ragging on women and describing them as temptresses
whose only function in life is to lure men away from
the true path to God and righteousness as...uh...more
than a little gay has got their head firmly up the
orifice leading to their lowest chakra.

ON ANOTHER LEVEL, I can see that bhakti has some
positive benefits for the beginning spiritual seeker.
By encouraging such beginners to project all of their
most positive fantasies onto the teacher, those 
students are trained to *focus* on these positive 
qualities. True, NONE of these qualities may actually 
be present in the teachers they project them onto, or 
may exist in them only to the same extent they exist 
in us, but focusing on the positive qualities has merit, 
and may in the long run have some kind of lasting 
spiritual benefit.

HOWEVER (that was not a shout, Judy...merely emphasis),
such projection also has a substantial *drawback* in
my opinion because it is by definition *externalization*
of these positive qualities. By following the tenets of
guru-bhakti and projecting them onto one's teacher, one
is effectively raising the teacher on a pedestal of
projected good qualities. And that's cool, I guess, if
you get off on that sorta thing, except that the higher
you make the pedestal via the projection of these good
qualities, the further your teacher is away from you. 
And the "higher" the pedestal, the "lower" by comparison 
you become.

I think that a more possibly valuable practice of 
bhakti might involve skipping the guru component 
entirely and projecting these high and noble qualities 
onto OURSELVES.

They are all WITHIN us. They are NOT merely external,
embodied only in the people who have convinced us that
they embody them and that we do not. 

Bhakti "cuts both ways." The more you project these
higher qualities of life onto a guru-figure, the more
you project those qualities outward, *away* from 
yourself. And the more that you train yourself to see
them only in an external being, separate from your 
self, the less able you are to see those same qualities
in your self, and thus recognize it as inseparable from
your Self.

So bhakti yourself silly, if that's what gets you off.
Me, I think it's wiser to treat the teachers in our lives
as our EQUALS, not our superiors. I think it's wiser to
think of them as residing on the same "level" that we
do, not up on some idealized pedestal. I think it's
wiser to realize that we cannot even *imagine* something 
in these teachers that is not *already* present in 
ourselves. And if it's already present, why externalize 
it? Why not just realize it and live it?

Your mileage may vary.

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Conspiracy Theories

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
snip
> 
> 
> Poodle;

Let's see, smartest dog under Border Collie on the intelligence chart, 
hypoallergenic, almost made it into the White House if it wasn't for that 
bitch Portuguese Water Dog, better than "hillbilly", OK I'll take that.

< why do you believe everything someone tells you in the first place ?>

Yeah, thats MY biggest problem.  Now let's get back to how you KNOW where 
Lincoln reincarnated and how you KNOW all about Lord Maitreya...

> 
> I'm extremely close to advice you to have a checking, but I will not because 
> I do not want to waste the time of the TM-Teacher.

Whao, stinging rebuke!  But seriously let's get back to  how you KNOW where 
Lincoln reincarnated and how you KNOW all about Lord Maitreya...



>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: MSN - 14 Greenest Mayors, includes Fairfield Mayor Ed Malloy

[pranamoocher]

Anyone got the MSN list for the 14 Meanest Mayors?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays  wrote:
>
> >Delivered-To: dickm...@...
> >Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:09:10 -0500
> >Subject: MSN - 14 Greenest Mayors, includes Fairfield Mayor Ed Malloy
> >From: Ken Chawkin kchaw...@...
> >To: Movement News Groups kchaw...@...
> >Thread-Topic: MSN - 14 Greenest Mayors, includes Fairfield Mayor Ed
Malloy
> >Thread-Index: Acm9/UKwgUVSdCnwEd66cAAbY7DedAAAGVUc
> >X-pstn-neptune: 0/0/0.00/0
> >X-pstn-levels: (S: 4.44310/99.9 CV: 1.1311 FC:95.5390
> >LC:95.5390 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0282 C:98.6951 )
> >
> >From: Ed Malloy mayormal...@...
> >Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:54:22 -0500
> >
> >I was contacted by someone from MSN.com last week about a story they
> >were doing on Green Mayors. I don't know how they got my name, but
> >they published the story today
>
>http://cityguides.msn.com/citylife/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=19025\
643.
> >We're in pretty good company! He asked for a non-traditional photo
> >(head shot) so I sent a picture speaking to the President when he
> >was in Fairfield and told him we were having a conversation about
> >sustainable communities. Enjoy!
> >
> >Ed
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >11. Ed Malloy, Fairfield, Iowa - pop. 9,650
> >   14 Greenest Mayors
> >Malloy: Courtesy of Ed Malloy
> >
> >In November, the city fathers in this liberal southeastern Iowa
> >
> > outpost unanimously adopted a Green Strategic Plan. Their vote was
> >more than ceremonial: they also secured a state-funded grant to hire
> >a sustainability coordinator, to inventory their greenhouse gases
> >and to create educational materials for residents. The new plan
> >envisions everything from conserving energy to supporting local
> >farms. Malloy, who's been mayor since 2001 and heads up a local oil
> >company, says the environment-economy connection is clear. He hopes
> >Fairfield's ideas will catch on saying
>
>\

> >, "We want to create a model community, a virtual template that
> >other small towns can adopt to create the same results."
> >
>
>
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Conspiracy Theories

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> 
> Would that be a better version of believing everything someone tells me?
> 
> 
> 
> > 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ERnT1X9HPw&NR=1


Poodle; why do you believe everything someone tells you in the first place ?

I'm extremely close to advice you to have a checking, but I will not because I 
do not want to waste the time of the TM-Teacher.

[FairfieldLife] Re: USA already has a (nearly) flat tax

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  wrote:
>
>
> "As you can see, when you add up all federal taxes and compare it to
> where the money is, our system is only barely progressive at all. The
> bottom quintile doesn't do too badly, though they're probably paying a
> little more than they should, but CEOs and bankers are paying only
> slightly more than teachers and engineers. And if you add in state and
> local taxes,
>
 &base_name=why_do_state_and_local_taxes_h> even this small amount of
> progressivity goes away. You can come at this from a lot of different
> angles, but you always end up with the same answer: taken as a whole,
> our tax system is close to flat. Does this seem fair to you? It
> shouldn't.
>
> full article:
> http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2009/04/my-tax-day-post
> 
> 
> How to Think About Taxes — By Kevin Drum
>  | Wed April 15, 2009
> 12:52 AM PST
> 
> —Photo from flickr user RogueSun Media
>  .
>
> Here's my contribution to today's tax day festivities: an effort to
get
> you to think about federal taxes a little bit differently than usual.
> Normally, when we talk about taxes, we end up talking about
percentages
> of people: the top 1% pay a certain amount, the bottom third pay a
> different amount, etc. But this is the wrong way to look at things.
> What we ought to be looking at is percentages of income.
>
> Have your eyes glazed over yet? Just wait! It's going to get worse.
> But first a caveat: the numbers that follow aren't exact. I don't
think
> they're way off the mark, but they're the result of some rough
> interpolation from several different data sources. Anyone with access
> to more detailed data is welcome to correct this, but in the meantime
it
> should be close enough to give you an idea of how to look at this
stuff.
>
> So: percentages of income. What I mean by this is that you'd expect a
> group of people with, say, one-fifth of the nation's total income to
pay
> one-fifth of total federal taxes. (Note: one-fifth = 20%, or one
> quintile in tax-speak.) It doesn't really matter if that group has
> one-fifth of the people or not, just that it has one-fifth of the
money.
> Like this:
>
> [http://www.motherjones.com/files/images/Blog_Federal_Taxes_1.gif]
>
> But hold on. That's a flat tax, and I want to appeal to your native
> sense of fairness here. Even most conservatives agree that taxation
> ought to be at least mildly progressive, so let's make this mildly
> progressive. First, let's say that the middle quintile, almost by
> definition, ought to pay 20% of total taxes. Like so:
>
> [http://www.motherjones.com/files/images/Blog_Federal_Taxes_2.gif]
>
> The next quintile up ought to pay a higher share, and the quintile
above
> that even more. The slope of the increase doesn't need to look like a
> hockey stick, but it should trend clearly upward. Let's say it should
> be 8% more for each quintile:
>
> [http://www.motherjones.com/files/images/Blog_Federal_Taxes_3.gif]
>
> Likewise, the quintile below the middle ought to pay a lower share,
and
> the poorest quintile ought to pay even less. Something like this:
>
> [http://www.motherjones.com/files/images/Blog_Federal_Taxes_4.gif]
>
> Question: does this seem roughly fair to you? If you're a die-hard
> flat-taxer, it won't, but for most people, even conservatives, it
ought
> to seem reasonable. It's progressive, but the slope is moderate and
> consistent. So now let's take a look at the income cutoffs that
produce
> our five quintiles. Here they are:
>
> [http://www.motherjones.com/files/images/Blog_Federal_Taxes_5.gif]
>
> Most people are surprised at how high the income cutoffs are. But
> that's how it works out. If you add up the incomes of every single
> household that makes less than $50,000 — all 50 million of them
> — they earn only a fifth of the total income. If you add up the
> tiny number of people who make more than $300,000, they also earn a
> fifth of total income. So now, instead of looking at our theoretical
> progressive system, let's see the actual numbers. Here they are:
>




> [http://www.motherjones.com/files/images/Blog_Federal_Taxes_6_0.gif]
>
> As you can see, when you add up all federal taxes and compare it to
> where the money is, our system is only barely progressive at all. The
> bottom quintile doesn't do too badly, though they're probably paying a
> little more than they should, but CEOs and bankers are paying only
> slightly more than teachers and engineers. And if you add in state and
> local taxes,
>
 &base_name=why_do_state_and_local_taxes_h> even this small am

[FairfieldLife] USA already has a (nearly) flat tax

[bob_brigante]

"As you can see, when you add up all federal taxes and compare it to
where the money is, our system is only barely progressive at all.  The
bottom quintile doesn't do too badly, though they're probably paying a
little more than they should, but CEOs and bankers are paying only
slightly more than teachers and engineers.  And if you add in state and
local taxes,
  even this small amount of
progressivity goes away.  You can come at this from a lot of different
angles, but you always end up with the same answer: taken as a whole,
our tax system is close to flat.  Does this seem fair to you?  It
shouldn't.

full article:
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2009/04/my-tax-day-post
 

How to Think About Taxes — By Kevin Drum
  | Wed April 15, 2009
12:52 AM PST 
 
—Photo from flickr user RogueSun Media
 .

Here's my contribution to today's tax day festivities: an effort to get
you to think about federal taxes a little bit differently than usual. 
Normally, when we talk about taxes, we end up talking about percentages
of people: the top 1% pay a certain amount, the bottom third pay a
different amount, etc.  But this is the wrong way to look at things. 
What we ought to be looking at is percentages of income.

Have your eyes glazed over yet?  Just wait!  It's going to get worse. 
But first a caveat: the numbers that follow aren't exact.  I don't think
they're way off the mark, but they're the result of some rough
interpolation from several different data sources.  Anyone with access
to more detailed data is welcome to correct this, but in the meantime it
should be close enough to give you an idea of how to look at this stuff.

So: percentages of income.  What I mean by this is that you'd expect a
group of people with, say, one-fifth of the nation's total income to pay
one-fifth of total federal taxes.  (Note: one-fifth = 20%, or one
quintile in tax-speak.)  It doesn't really matter if that group has
one-fifth of the people or not, just that it has one-fifth of the money.
Like this:

  [http://www.motherjones.com/files/images/Blog_Federal_Taxes_1.gif]

But hold on.  That's a flat tax, and I want to appeal to your native
sense of fairness here.  Even most conservatives agree that taxation
ought to be at least mildly progressive, so let's make this mildly
progressive.  First, let's say that the middle quintile, almost by
definition, ought to pay 20% of total taxes.  Like so:

  [http://www.motherjones.com/files/images/Blog_Federal_Taxes_2.gif]

The next quintile up ought to pay a higher share, and the quintile above
that even more.  The slope of the increase doesn't need to look like a
hockey stick, but it should trend clearly upward.  Let's say it should
be 8% more for each quintile:

  [http://www.motherjones.com/files/images/Blog_Federal_Taxes_3.gif]

Likewise, the quintile below the middle ought to pay a lower share, and
the poorest quintile ought to pay even less.  Something like this:

  [http://www.motherjones.com/files/images/Blog_Federal_Taxes_4.gif]

Question: does this seem roughly fair to you?  If you're a die-hard
flat-taxer, it won't, but for most people, even conservatives, it ought
to seem reasonable.  It's progressive, but the slope is moderate and
consistent.  So now let's take a look at the income cutoffs that produce
our five quintiles.  Here they are:

  [http://www.motherjones.com/files/images/Blog_Federal_Taxes_5.gif]

Most people are surprised at how high the income cutoffs are.  But
that's how it works out.  If you add up the incomes of every single
household that makes less than $50,000 — all 50 million of them
— they earn only a fifth of the total income.  If you add up the
tiny number of people who make more than $300,000, they also earn a
fifth of total income.  So now, instead of looking at our theoretical
progressive system, let's see the actual numbers.  Here they are:

  [http://www.motherjones.com/files/images/Blog_Federal_Taxes_6_0.gif]

As you can see, when you add up all federal taxes and compare it to
where the money is, our system is only barely progressive at all.  The
bottom quintile doesn't do too badly, though they're probably paying a
little more than they should, but CEOs and bankers are paying only
slightly more than teachers and engineers.  And if you add in state and
local taxes,
  even this small amount of
progressivity goes away.  You can come at this from a lot of different
angles, but you always end up with the same answer: taken as a whole,
our tax system is close to flat.  Does th

[FairfieldLife] Re: If you had to be a true believer, which one would you be?

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  
wrote:
>
> enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
> > i'm not terribly hung up about sex. i talk about 
> > it here far more often than i actually have sex. 
> > But i do talk about it often because so many here 
> > are caught up in rigid views about sex and sexuality 
> > that they seem to have picked up from the spiritual, 
> > social, and religious systems that they are "within" 
> > and that they identify with... 
> > 
> It always seems to come back to sex with these guys - 
> they talk about it all the time - it's like they want 
> it, but don't get it, so they talk about it here. It's
> probably on their minds most of the time - they may 
> even dream about it in their sleep. 

They are getting oldish, Barry probably lost his virilty years ago due to the 
abuse of alcohol. 

His favority referrance from the world of TV used to be the scene in Seinfeld 
when Elaine was considering what men where "spongeworthy". Barry the Turq is 
getting older and have felt this problem rather intensely, as he has related 
here on FFL.

Now to his intense horror he has discovered that Seinfeld is a long-time TM'er 
since 30 years and he will never again make a refferanse to his favorite 
TV-series. 

[FairfieldLife] Fwd: MSN - 14 Greenest Mayors, includes Fairfield Mayor Ed Malloy

[Dick Mays]

Delivered-To: dickm...@lisco.com
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:09:10 -0500
Subject: MSN - 14 Greenest Mayors, includes Fairfield Mayor Ed Malloy
From: Ken Chawkin 
To: Movement News Groups 
Thread-Topic: MSN - 14 Greenest Mayors, includes Fairfield Mayor Ed Malloy
Thread-Index: Acm9/UKwgUVSdCnwEd66cAAbY7DedAAAGVUc
X-pstn-neptune: 0/0/0.00/0
X-pstn-levels: (S: 4.44310/99.9 CV: 1.1311 FC:95.5390 
LC:95.5390 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0282 C:98.6951 )


From: Ed Malloy 
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:54:22 -0500

I was contacted by someone from MSN.com last week about a story they 
were doing on Green Mayors. I don't know how they got my name, but 
they published the story today 
http://cityguides.msn.com/citylife/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=19025643. 
We're in pretty good company! He asked for a non-traditional photo 
(head shot) so I sent a picture speaking to the President when he 
was in Fairfield and told him we were having a conversation about 
sustainable communities. Enjoy!


Ed




11. Ed Malloy, Fairfield, Iowa - pop. 9,650 
  14 Greenest Mayors

Malloy: Courtesy of Ed Malloy

In November, the city fathers in this liberal southeastern Iowa 
 
outpost unanimously adopted a Green Strategic Plan. Their vote was 
more than ceremonial: they also secured a state-funded grant to hire 
a sustainability coordinator, to inventory their greenhouse gases 
and to create educational materials for residents. The new plan 
envisions everything from conserving energy to supporting local 
farms. Malloy, who's been mayor since 2001 and heads up a local oil 
company, says the environment-economy connection is clear. He hopes 
Fairfield's ideas will catch on saying 
 
, "We want to create a model community, a virtual template that 
other small towns can adopt to create the same results."




<><>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Viewing the world through desperate-colored glasses

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk"  wrote:
>
> Am I anyway close to the truth here Barry? Only you can tell me.

Nh. I'm just a liar and a minion of Satan with
an agenda straight from the bowels of Hell. Nabby 
and Judy are right. I am the very personification 
of evil.

But thanks for the balanced thoughts. They are a 
rarity on this forum. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Homeland Security Warns of Rightwing Extremists

[guyfawkes91]

> A more recent example of violence from these groups was seen on April 4, 2009 
> when a man shot dead three police officers in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. The 
> gunman's reactions were "influenced by his racist ideology and belief in 
> antigovernment conspiracy theories related to gun confiscations, citizen 
> detention camps, and a Jewish-controlled 'one world government,'" the report 
> says.
> 
> Racism in general is a major problem. According to the report, issues of job 
> loss and home foreclosures have been a hot topic for the rightwing extremists 
> in online discussions—issues that the anti-Semitic groups are blaming on 
> "deliberate conspiracy conducted by a cabal of Jewish 'financial entities.'"

I always find it very strange that the right-wing has these anti-semitic nut 
jobs, and yet they voted for Bush who pretty much let Israel take de-facto 
control of US foreign policy. It's just so weird that the same people who think 
US interests are the same as Israeli interests are mixing with people who fear 
the US is going to be taken over by a Jewish world government. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Conspiracy Theories

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11  wrote:
> >
> > We can complain because rose bushes have thorns,
> > or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.
> > - Abraham Lincoln
> 
>
Without a shred of self-awareness:
 
> Lincoln has reincarnated in Washington DC and is living there at this very 
> moment. And no, he is not Obama.

In his previous post:


So I'm guessing that the problem is WHO I being accused of believing everything 
from.  What it Barry assumes a British accent and starts claiming that Lord 
Maitreya is on earth right now, waiting to jump out of whatever closet he is 
hiding in at any moment when the masters decide to spring him on humanity...

Would that be a better version of believing everything someone tells me?



> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ERnT1X9HPw&NR=1
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Viewing the world through desperate-colored glasses

[Vaj]

On Apr 15, 2009, at 10:18 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


Apparently this is what goes for spirituality in FF
these daze...


It actually sounds tame and fairly harmless compared
to what passed for spirituality in Santa Fe. Now THAT
was a Me-Zoo. The difference being that many of the
animals in that particular Zoo were not merely small-
town Me-gos. They were *name* Me-gos. They had large
followings and speaking tours and book contracts.



It is a relatively harmless, feel-good kinda thang. In fact, since  
these are enlightened TMers, expressing negativity is very verboten-- 
even talking about wrathful enlightened activity is sure to cause some  
disapproving messages.


(Incidentally I was tossed off without a word after the last message  
on Jim)


In fact, all of the TM "we're enlightened" satsangs I've attended were  
pretty harmless, relatively speaking, but on another level they were  
clear aberrations of authentic spirituality for the most part, serious  
departures from the traditions they claimed to be from. I remember the  
first one I went to was when a friend, an old time TM teacher,  
declared he was enlightened. He felt it was so important to share with  
others (even though almost no one was interested). Shortly thereafter  
he rented a hotel conference room and then begged all of his friends  
to come to a weekend lecture series. Needless to say, we all wondered  
why he just couldn't come to our house (or we could go to his) and he  
could tell us all about it for free. No, this "knowledge" was special  
and the teaching was meant to be shared and perpetuated with others.  
The money would help him share his message, which was how to get  
enlightened in a way that was easily understandable to all TM initiates.


Well, after much begging, we dished out a couple of hundred dollars  
and went. It was amazing how it was presented in very familiar TM  
instruction format and how the primary diagram looked suspiciously  
like the "bubble diagram", but definitely unique in some ways. It  
turned out, most if not all of us learned nothing really new, and were  
out a couple hundred bucks. The only people who bought that he was  
actually enlightened was a couple of whom the husband thought he was  
enlightened and had some popular books out on crystals. They used to  
"channel" together.  It's too bad there wasn't a video-capable  
internet back then. He could have just set up a chat room like Rory  
does (and I could have been 300 dollars richer).


Shortly thereafter another person began claiming the same thing. This  
time it had something to do with the virgin Mary and grounding the  
energy into the world. She proselytized to all her friends, lectured  
wherever she could and would show up at any conference or new age  
gathering if they would let her in. Eventually her "enlightenment" got  
in the way of her marriage--or her marriage got in the way of her  
enlightenment--and her mission, and she and her husband went through a  
nasty divorce. I always enjoyed talking to her, but as her "mission"  
grew I found she really stopped listening to what others wanted to  
share and just wanted to preach her "message". You couldn't "just  
talk" to her anymore. If you were around her, you were a potential  
part of spreading that message, that all.


Having seen all these kinda trips, it really helped me understand how,  
in an earlier era when seances were considered "in", you could  
actually found something like the Theosophical Society. Both scenes  
ring with a similar level of authenticity (although the THeosophical  
Society was obviously much bigger and did some good work at the same  
time).

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Conspiracy Theories

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11  wrote:
>
> We can complain because rose bushes have thorns,
> or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.
> - Abraham Lincoln


Lincoln has reincarnated in Washington DC and is living there at this very 
moment. And no, he is not Obama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ERnT1X9HPw&NR=1

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thom Hartmann and Alex Jones Simulcast

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> In the second hour of both broadcaster's shows Thom Hartmann and Alex 
> Jones are going to be simulcasting with each interviewing each other and 
> taking calls.  Should be interesting.  Second hour will be 10-11 AM PT 
> or 1-2 PM ET.
> 
> www.thomhartmann.com
> www.infowars.com
> 
> Happy Tax Day!


The Taxman:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yKdGWXTUG4

[FairfieldLife] Re: If you had to be a true believer, which one would you be?

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11  wrote:
> >
> > Jim? you have your opinion, Barry, and i have mine. aside from your 
> > confused mind, we'll just leave it at that. 
> 
> Oooohh, I get it now.  I call you by your REAL name and then you call me by a 
> FAKE name and that makes it look like the REAL name I called you is a FAKE 
> name too!  You are like some kind of Vedic secret agent moving through the 
> world aren't you Jim?

Amazing and funny; you really believe everything Barry tells you Curtis ! 
Nice little Poodle for sure ;-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] FW: Poster found in a Texas Gun Shop

[Vaj]

On Apr 15, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:


 Poster found in a Gun Shop: Ya gotta LOVE those Texans & the NRA



It would have been more honest to have a symbol for the Republican  
party. One of their favorite tactics is, since it's hard to get  
working people to vote for a party which is ostensibly against them,  
they use fear tactics and life-style choices to scare the uneducated  
to their side. Typical examples include:


-they're going to take our guns!

-they're going to make your children gay!

-they're going to let your child rip her baby out of her uterus!

...and so without thinking of the consequences, they vote Republican,  
stock up on Ammo and buy more guns. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[Richard J. Williams]

Kirk wrote:
> > What do you all think? Or is everyone so caught up 
> > in their maras...
> >
Curtis wrote:
> First of all it was Mara who ordered all those disgusting 
> lemon drop shots and it was Mara who conveniently spilled 
> one on her tank top turning her headlights on and which 
> lead me to invite her back to my place where she ate 
> everything in my fridge and then puked into the cat litter 
> box putting an end to any designs I had on her at the 
> beginning of the evening.
> 
Yep, it always seems to come back to sex with guys like
Curtis - almost any message is an excuse for posting some
tid-bit about their sexual repression, or libertinism.

The answer to Kirk is yes, they are so caught up in their
'maras' that they think 'maras' is 'Mara' -they don't even
have a clue what you're talking about Kirk - not a clue. 

It's all just an excuse to spout off and pass the time of
day. I mean, their hero is Vaj and Uncle Tantra and they
can't stand Judy. 

Give it up Kirk - you should know better by now - you've 
been posting for what, ten years now? Do you seriously 
think you are going to find out anything of substance 
from a 'Delta Blues' guy, a 'Vaj Nath' or an 'Uncle Tantra'? 

You'd probably find out more about life by visiting a 
bowling alley on Skid Row.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thom Hartmann and Alex Jones Simulcast

[Richard J. Williams]

Bhairitu wrote:
> In the second hour of both broadcaster's shows 
> Thom Hartmann and Alex Jones are going to be 
> simulcasting with each interviewing each other 
> and taking calls.  
>
According to what I've read, in early 2000 Jones 
was one of seven Republican candidates for state 
representative in Texas House District 48, an 
open seat swing district based in Austin, Texas. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: If you had to be a true believer, which one would you be?

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11  wrote:
>
> sounds like you think me sitting back and making a joke at your expense is 
> not that cool, huh?

Since my response said exactly the opposite, I'm gunna go with a "no" to that. 
But all such humor needs a context of intent from the person to be perceived as 
friendly, which is why I object to your new veiled persona.  In the context of 
a person's unfriendly intent then it isn't a joke at all.  If you are joking 
you will find your audience more receptive to that angle if you are able to 
make fun of yourself a bit,which is not a quality you have shown here lately.

Let's use Edg for an example.  In the beginning we were kind of harsh with each 
other. But neither of us had developed a trust context.  But over time he 
demonstrated a self-effacing quality that I accept as genuine.  So he could 
call me a flaming asshole now, and my first default would be humor rather than 
that he had gone Mr. Hyde on me.  I trust that he isn't defaulting to the worst 
impression of who I am. As another poster who is never just "joking" with his 
putdowns, we have Richard.

Since you have abandoned the context of our previous posting relationship I'm 
really not sure how to take your posts.  But as I said, I'll accept that your 
intent is more humor than malicious and run what you write through that filter 
first next time.

But if you are interacting with someone who is transparently being themselves 
here through a filter of anonymity, you are not gunna get the benefit of the 
doubt automatically.  Imagine being at a party and a guy wearing a mask comes 
up to you and announces: "Hey everybody, look at this asshole!"  Your first 
response might not be, "Wow this guy is using friendly put-down humor to 
communicate with me. I'll just assume that without being able to even see his 
eyes."





> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11  wrote:
> > >
> > > i'm not terribly hung up about sex. i talk about it here far more often 
> > > than i actually have sex. But i do talk about it often because so many 
> > > here are caught up in rigid views about sex and sexuality that they seem 
> > > to have picked up from the spiritual, social, and religious systems that 
> > > they are "within" and that they identify with. 
> > > 
> > > so i post funny or light stuff about sex and then just step back and 
> > > watch to see who can respond in a similar funny or light manner and who 
> > > cannot, and feels that they have to respond in an emotionally-charged 
> > > "heavy" way.
> > 
> > Hey perhaps I am guilty as charged for taking it too seriously.  With the 
> > context of your other harsh posts I took it seriously.  So if I missed a 
> > joke at my expense, sorry Jim.  I'll try seeing it from that angle next 
> > time first. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > talk about a couple of latent homosexuals...
> > > > 
> > > > Using the accusation of homosexuality as a personal insult...  I 
> > > > haven't seen this kind of enlightened perspective since around 5th 
> > > > grade.  There are many ugly things in your using this phrase this way 
> > > > Jim. But the more you repeat it, the more I wonder about that dress of 
> > > > yours.  What IS that all about?
> > > > 
> > > > But give our love to your toddler. It must be sooo hard chasing around 
> > > > the little tyke at your age.  So did you risk the advanced age 
> > > > pregnancy or did you go all Madonna and Angelina and just buy one?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 
> > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jim? you have your opinion, Barry, and i have mine. 
> > > > > > > > aside from your confused mind, we'll just leave it 
> > > > > > > > at that. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Oooohh, I get it now. I call you by your REAL name 
> > > > > > > and then you call me by a FAKE name and that makes 
> > > > > > > it look like the REAL name I called you is a FAKE 
> > > > > > > name too!  You are like some kind of Vedic secret 
> > > > > > > agent moving through the world aren't you Jim?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Is that what it is?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I thought that the putdown du jour was 
> > > > > > to call *everyone* you don't like "Barry."
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The idea is that Judy has spent so many
> > > > > > years demonizing the name "Barry" that if
> > > > > > you called Gandhi "Barry" everyone would
> > > > > > think that he was Satan.  :-)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: If you had to be a true believer, which one would you be?

[Richard J. Williams]

enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
> i'm not terribly hung up about sex. i talk about 
> it here far more often than i actually have sex. 
> But i do talk about it often because so many here 
> are caught up in rigid views about sex and sexuality 
> that they seem to have picked up from the spiritual, 
> social, and religious systems that they are "within" 
> and that they identify with... 
> 
It always seems to come back to sex with these guys - 
they talk about it all the time - it's like they want 
it, but don't get it, so they talk about it here. It's
probably on their minds most of the time - they may 
even dream about it in their sleep. 

But, now they're actually talking about the sex life, 
or lack thereof, between two dead guys. Now that's 
REALLY strange, and one of them claims to be 'Uncle
Tantra'. I'd say that these three, Curtis, Barry, and 
Edg are probably more hung-up on sex and homosexuality
than the Marshy ever was - I mean, look how they 
defend themselves - arguing with Judy.

Now they're even fantasizing how the Marshy did, or 
wanted to, do it to the Guru Dev. It always seems to
come back to sex with these guys. I wonder if the real
reason they're here is to engage in sex talk.

But you have to take into consideration that these
three were cult leaders and obviously sexually 
repressed individuals, or at least sexually conflicted,
otherwise, why in the world would they have joined a 
cult in the first place? 

The fact that they're still talking about the Marshy's 
private sex life after all these years should indicate 
the depth of the love they had for the man. They will
say that it was only platonic love, but all the 
arguments they've used against the Marshy can be 
applied to them as well.

It may be that the three need some really good 
professional counseling, but that apparently is not to 
be - I mean, has anyone of them ever said that they 
consulted a good cult exit counselor after they got
kicked out? What are we supposed to be, their online
shrinks?

[FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[Richard J. Williams]

> > Understanding a person's culture doesn't get him off 
> > the hook for being a dick.  And I notice you are not 
> > extending me the same courtesy for my opinion being 
> > influenced by my culture and upbringing, are you?  
> > So your "understanding" only extends to defending him 
> > doesn't it?
> >
Judy wrote:
> Huh?? Your last sentence makes no sense to me.
> 
Actually we should be holding Curtis, Barry, and Edg to a
higher standard than the Marshy. They knew better than to
persecute the gays in the TMO - but they chose not to
denounce these activities, knowing full well that it was 
immoral to be prejudiced against anyone's sexual preference.

But, Curtis, Barry, and Edg loved the Marshy and would do
anything to please him. Maybe they too had a secret desire
to have sexual relations with the Marshy. According to a
recent study cited by Curtis, these desires even increase
when attempting monkdom.

What's so nonsensical about this thread is that the Marshy
loved the Guru Dev, but it probably wasn't sexual love at
all, but platonic. It's really weird to see the gang-of-three
bashing the Marshy now, when for twenty or more years
they did his bidding.

In my *opinion*, what the three did was a lot worse than
the Marshy being homophobic - the three were actually
deceitful - wanting to be gurus themselves, but lacking
the honesty to speak up against the Marshy, until now,
years later, when it doesn't do any good and nobody cares
what they say anymore.

The three don't get off the hook by saying that they knew
it was wrong at the time, but didn't say anything because 
they loved the Marshy so much. Now that the Marshy is dead
they want to be forgiven?

[FairfieldLife] Re: If you had to be a true believer, which one would you be?

[enlightened_dawn11]

sounds like you think me sitting back and making a joke at your expense is not 
that cool, huh?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11  wrote:
> >
> > i'm not terribly hung up about sex. i talk about it here far more often 
> > than i actually have sex. But i do talk about it often because so many here 
> > are caught up in rigid views about sex and sexuality that they seem to have 
> > picked up from the spiritual, social, and religious systems that they are 
> > "within" and that they identify with. 
> > 
> > so i post funny or light stuff about sex and then just step back and watch 
> > to see who can respond in a similar funny or light manner and who cannot, 
> > and feels that they have to respond in an emotionally-charged "heavy" way.
> 
> Hey perhaps I am guilty as charged for taking it too seriously.  With the 
> context of your other harsh posts I took it seriously.  So if I missed a joke 
> at my expense, sorry Jim.  I'll try seeing it from that angle next time 
> first. 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > talk about a couple of latent homosexuals...
> > > 
> > > Using the accusation of homosexuality as a personal insult...  I haven't 
> > > seen this kind of enlightened perspective since around 5th grade.  There 
> > > are many ugly things in your using this phrase this way Jim. But the more 
> > > you repeat it, the more I wonder about that dress of yours.  What IS that 
> > > all about?
> > > 
> > > But give our love to your toddler. It must be sooo hard chasing around 
> > > the little tyke at your age.  So did you risk the advanced age pregnancy 
> > > or did you go all Madonna and Angelina and just buy one?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jim? you have your opinion, Barry, and i have mine. 
> > > > > > > aside from your confused mind, we'll just leave it 
> > > > > > > at that. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Oooohh, I get it now. I call you by your REAL name 
> > > > > > and then you call me by a FAKE name and that makes 
> > > > > > it look like the REAL name I called you is a FAKE 
> > > > > > name too!  You are like some kind of Vedic secret 
> > > > > > agent moving through the world aren't you Jim?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Is that what it is?
> > > > > 
> > > > > I thought that the putdown du jour was 
> > > > > to call *everyone* you don't like "Barry."
> > > > > 
> > > > > The idea is that Judy has spent so many
> > > > > years demonizing the name "Barry" that if
> > > > > you called Gandhi "Barry" everyone would
> > > > > think that he was Satan.  :-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 
> > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > glad you think so, Barry.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Little too late for that routine Jim.  You had your little run. 
> > > > > > > >  Now it's over.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 
> > > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > talk about a couple of latent homosexuals...
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Wow, very enlightened Jim.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 
> > > > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Williams"  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Judy Stein 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: For Uncle Tantra about DHMO 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: March 20, 2004 
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Barry simply cannot stop himself from lying, 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > even when he knows there isn't the slightest
> > > > > > > > > > > > > chance of his fooling anybody...
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Bingo. But he does manange to fool some fools. Curtis 
> > > > > > > > > > > > comes to mind; he always buyes into whatever is the new 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Barry fantasy.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: If you had to be a true believer, which one would you be?

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11  wrote:
>
> i'm not terribly hung up about sex. i talk about it here far more often than 
> i actually have sex. But i do talk about it often because so many here are 
> caught up in rigid views about sex and sexuality that they seem to have 
> picked up from the spiritual, social, and religious systems that they are 
> "within" and that they identify with. 
> 
> so i post funny or light stuff about sex and then just step back and watch to 
> see who can respond in a similar funny or light manner and who cannot, and 
> feels that they have to respond in an emotionally-charged "heavy" way.

Hey perhaps I am guilty as charged for taking it too seriously.  With the 
context of your other harsh posts I took it seriously.  So if I missed a joke 
at my expense, sorry Jim.  I'll try seeing it from that angle next time first. 



> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11  wrote:
> > >
> > > talk about a couple of latent homosexuals...
> > 
> > Using the accusation of homosexuality as a personal insult...  I haven't 
> > seen this kind of enlightened perspective since around 5th grade.  There 
> > are many ugly things in your using this phrase this way Jim. But the more 
> > you repeat it, the more I wonder about that dress of yours.  What IS that 
> > all about?
> > 
> > But give our love to your toddler. It must be sooo hard chasing around the 
> > little tyke at your age.  So did you risk the advanced age pregnancy or did 
> > you go all Madonna and Angelina and just buy one?
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jim? you have your opinion, Barry, and i have mine. 
> > > > > > aside from your confused mind, we'll just leave it 
> > > > > > at that. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Oooohh, I get it now. I call you by your REAL name 
> > > > > and then you call me by a FAKE name and that makes 
> > > > > it look like the REAL name I called you is a FAKE 
> > > > > name too!  You are like some kind of Vedic secret 
> > > > > agent moving through the world aren't you Jim?
> > > > 
> > > > Is that what it is?
> > > > 
> > > > I thought that the putdown du jour was 
> > > > to call *everyone* you don't like "Barry."
> > > > 
> > > > The idea is that Judy has spent so many
> > > > years demonizing the name "Barry" that if
> > > > you called Gandhi "Barry" everyone would
> > > > think that he was Satan.  :-)
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 
> > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > glad you think so, Barry.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Little too late for that routine Jim.  You had your little run.  
> > > > > > > Now it's over.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 
> > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > talk about a couple of latent homosexuals...
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Wow, very enlightened Jim.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 
> > > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. 
> > > > > > > > > > > Williams"  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > From: Judy Stein 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: For Uncle Tantra about DHMO 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
> > > > > > > > > > > > Date: March 20, 2004 
> > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > Barry simply cannot stop himself from lying, 
> > > > > > > > > > > > even when he knows there isn't the slightest
> > > > > > > > > > > > chance of his fooling anybody...
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Bingo. But he does manange to fool some fools. Curtis 
> > > > > > > > > > > comes to mind; he always buyes into whatever is the new 
> > > > > > > > > > > Barry fantasy.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk"  wrote:
>
> I am sorry but this whole Maharishi gayness thread is wa off track as 
> pertains to any sort of import.  My original question, I thought, was much 
> more ineresting and would provide much more insight into mechanics of 
> consciousness than this flubber.

You talking about my stomach or my argument?  I want you to know that I have a 
perfectly good set of six pack abs under there which I am protecting with that 
layer contributed mostly by members of the porcine product line.  When I grow 
it thick enough I'm gunna cure it into bacon.

> 
> My question was, does the ethos of the individual pundit effect the outcome > 
> of a yagya? 

No.  The outcome is equally nil except as a believe enhancing ritual for the 
participants and whoever was unlucky enough to give their money to have it done.


 What do you all think? Or is everyone so caught up in their 
> maras

First of all it was Mara who ordered all those disgusting lemon drop shots and 
it was Mara who conveniently spilled one on her tank top turning her headlights 
on and which lead me to invite her back to my place where she ate everything in 
my fridge and then puked into the cat litter box putting an end to any designs 
I had on her at the beginning of the evening.

 that they can't think coherently any longer?
> 
> My guess is yes.

Well you got that right.  Functioning while not being able to think coherently 
is a bit of a hobby for me.  My favorite is attempting to perform music that 
way.


> 
> Anyway, neverthefuckmind. it's all theory, and therefore as specious as the 
> present argument. I'll come back tomorrow when people wake up - hopefully.

And after I get all that Mara puke out of my cat box, hopefully.


> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Duveyoung" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:13 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits
> 
> 
> > "curtisdeltablues"  wrote:
> > So you are still missing the point?  It is the hypocrisy of his position 
> > on gayness that I am criticizing. Not that he might be gay.  You remind me 
> > of my cats Judy.  When I point my finger at a treat, they look at my 
> > finger.
> >
> > Curtis,
> >
> > Now that was funny.  Judy in a nutshellemphasis on the word "shell."
> >
> > I'm continually amazed that you debate her when you know it will come to 
> > naught in terms of helping her evolve her POV.
> >
> > I'm guessing that you do it as an intellectual exercise for your own 
> > benefit -- practice makes clarity.
> >
> > Edg
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> > To subscribe, send a message to:
> > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Or go to:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
> > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: If you had to be a true believer, which one would you be?

[enlightened_dawn11]

i'm not terribly hung up about sex. i talk about it here far more often than i 
actually have sex. But i do talk about it often because so many here are caught 
up in rigid views about sex and sexuality that they seem to have picked up from 
the spiritual, social, and religious systems that they are "within" and that 
they identify with. 

so i post funny or light stuff about sex and then just step back and watch to 
see who can respond in a similar funny or light manner and who cannot, and 
feels that they have to respond in an emotionally-charged "heavy" way.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11  wrote:
> >
> > talk about a couple of latent homosexuals...
> 
> Using the accusation of homosexuality as a personal insult...  I haven't seen 
> this kind of enlightened perspective since around 5th grade.  There are many 
> ugly things in your using this phrase this way Jim. But the more you repeat 
> it, the more I wonder about that dress of yours.  What IS that all about?
> 
> But give our love to your toddler. It must be sooo hard chasing around the 
> little tyke at your age.  So did you risk the advanced age pregnancy or did 
> you go all Madonna and Angelina and just buy one?
> 
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim? you have your opinion, Barry, and i have mine. 
> > > > > aside from your confused mind, we'll just leave it 
> > > > > at that. 
> > > > 
> > > > Oooohh, I get it now. I call you by your REAL name 
> > > > and then you call me by a FAKE name and that makes 
> > > > it look like the REAL name I called you is a FAKE 
> > > > name too!  You are like some kind of Vedic secret 
> > > > agent moving through the world aren't you Jim?
> > > 
> > > Is that what it is?
> > > 
> > > I thought that the putdown du jour was 
> > > to call *everyone* you don't like "Barry."
> > > 
> > > The idea is that Judy has spent so many
> > > years demonizing the name "Barry" that if
> > > you called Gandhi "Barry" everyone would
> > > think that he was Satan.  :-)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > glad you think so, Barry.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Little too late for that routine Jim.  You had your little run.  
> > > > > > Now it's over.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 
> > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > talk about a couple of latent homosexuals...
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Wow, very enlightened Jim.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 
> > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" 
> > > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > From: Judy Stein 
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: For Uncle Tantra about DHMO 
> > > > > > > > > > > Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
> > > > > > > > > > > Date: March 20, 2004 
> > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > Barry simply cannot stop himself from lying, 
> > > > > > > > > > > even when he knows there isn't the slightest
> > > > > > > > > > > chance of his fooling anybody...
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Bingo. But he does manange to fool some fools. Curtis comes 
> > > > > > > > > > to mind; he always buyes into whatever is the new Barry 
> > > > > > > > > > fantasy.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[Kirk]

BuhBye!

- Original Message - 
From: "authfriend" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:15 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits


> (Although the Post Count will register this as my 51st
> post for the week, in fact I had a duplicate post on
> Monday (215357 and 215358), so this is really my 50th.)
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>  wrote:
>>
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>>
>> > The homophobic views were bad enough. What I'm
>> > objecting to is your *adding* the hypocrisy charge
>> > when there's zero evidence for it.
>>
>> Obviously I don't share that opinion.  I don't share
>> your tolerance for his intolerance either. Understanding
>> a person's culture doesn't get him off the hook for
>> being a dick.  And I notice you are not extending me the
>> same courtesy for my opinion being influenced by my
>> culture and upbringing, are you?  So your "understanding"
>> only extends to defending him doesn't it?
>
> Huh?? Your last sentence makes no sense to me.
>
>>  That's petty and
>> > meanspirited and entirely gratuitous.
>>
>> For calling the guy a hypocrite?  You have your
>> meanspirited meter set too low.
>
> We disagree.
>
>  You might want to
>> raise it to say, people who present themselves as
>> enlightened beings who teach their followers that
>> gay people are destroying their personal evolution.
>> If you knew anything about the gay purging that
>> went on at MIU you would understand the meaning of
>> the word meanspirited.
>
> So because very meanspirited things happened at MIU
> many years ago, that makes it OK for you to be
> somewhat meanspirited here?
>
> 
>> > That's a pretty standard form of sadhana in India. It's
>> > called Guru-Bhakti Yoga. In that context, it's not at
>> > all out-of-the-box.
>>
>> And neither you nor I know anything about what is
>> involved in that relationship do we?  Like the
>> relationship of a Catholic priest and his favorite
>> alter boy perhaps?  Neither of us know.
>
> Is that what you're calling "out-of-the-box male
> bonding"?
>
> Do you agree with Barry that the *entire tradition*
> has always been a cover for homosexuality?
>
> Just one point on the *rationality* of your
> speculation: Ashrams are pressure cookers, and it's
> not easy to keep secrets. The other disciples of
> Guru Dev were reportedly pissed off at MMY in the
> first place because he'd maneuvered himself into the
> position of Guru Dev's secretary, to the point that
> rumors were started after Guru Dev's death that MMY
> had murdered him.
>
> Do you really think that if there'd been any
> suspicion that MMY lusted after Guru Dev, not a
> whiff of it would have been noted anywhere on the
> record?
>
>> What started out as an experiment in speculation like
>> the entire media does with the personal life of public
>> figures has turned into an interesting experiment in
>> how long term meditators deal with cognitive dissonance.
>
> The "cognitive dissonance" mantra is intellectually
> dishonest. It's just a cheap way to dismiss and
> demean any objection to TM critics' ideas, no matter
> how absurd those ideas may be.
>
> If I suggested that you were a child abuser, would
> it be cognitive dissonance for you to object?
>
>> But as usual you made many good points among the
>> attempts to turn anything I say against the perfect
>> image of Maharishi against me personally.
>
> Right, like my acknowledgments that he was a flawed
> human being, had a highly objectionable view of
> homosexuality, and had committed lots of other
> hypocrisies. Yup, I'm sure defending a perfect image
> of MMY, all right.
>
>> > So a dude who grew up in India and went from college
>> > straight into an ashram who isn't understanding to
>> > your modern Western standards is hypocritical?
>>
>> The guy was a world traveler who had plenty of time to
>> learn that he was wrong. He had more exposure to people
>> and ideas than I will ever have in m life.
>
> People, yes. Ideas, especially about homosexuality,
> I seriously doubt. And the ideas about homosexuality
> back then were generally significantly less liberal
> than those you've been exposed to. More likely he'd
> have been exposed to *confirmation* of his ideas.
>
>  But he didn't learn and never amended his prejudice.
>> Mr. Enlightened.
>>
>> But I'm the bad guy for pointing this out.
>
> You're a lot harder on him than is reasonable or fair,
> yes. And sometimes you have to stand on your head to
> justify adding yet another sin to the list.
>
> BTW, the notion that higher consciousness fosters
> perfect behavior according to human standards is a
> pernicious one, IMHO (and if there are nonhuman
> standards, we don't know what they are).
>
> Either MMY believed higher consciousness *did* foster
> perfect behavior and was wrong, or he knew it wasn't
> but figured the idea that it was would nudge meditators
> to improve their behavior in line with *his* standards.
>
> But if that was h

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[Kirk]

I am sorry but this whole Maharishi gayness thread is wa off track as 
pertains to any sort of import.  My original question, I thought, was much 
more ineresting and would provide much more insight into mechanics of 
consciousness than this flubber.

My question was, does the ethos of the individual pundit effect the outcome 
of a yagya?  What do you all think? Or is everyone so caught up in their 
maras that they can't think coherently any longer?

My guess is yes.

Anyway, neverthefuckmind. it's all theory, and therefore as specious as the 
present argument. I'll come back tomorrow when people wake up - hopefully.

- Original Message - 
From: "Duveyoung" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:13 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits


> "curtisdeltablues"  wrote:
> So you are still missing the point?  It is the hypocrisy of his position 
> on gayness that I am criticizing. Not that he might be gay.  You remind me 
> of my cats Judy.  When I point my finger at a treat, they look at my 
> finger.
>
> Curtis,
>
> Now that was funny.  Judy in a nutshellemphasis on the word "shell."
>
> I'm continually amazed that you debate her when you know it will come to 
> naught in terms of helping her evolve her POV.
>
> I'm guessing that you do it as an intellectual exercise for your own 
> benefit -- practice makes clarity.
>
> Edg
>
>
>
> 
>
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>
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> and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: 1,500 Farmers Commit Mass Suicide In India

[shempmcgurk]

If you're a farmer and you live near a large metropolitain area the water 
rations that are given out to farmers can actually make you rich.  These 
farmers truck in vats of water -- of which they are entitled for their crops -- 
and sell the water on the streets.

I guess it depends where in India you live.  Sadly, these folks didn't get 
enough.

1,500 dead.  Very, very sad.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> http://digg.com/d1om3A
> 
> 1,500 Farmers Commit Mass Suicide In India
> independent.co.uk — Over 1,500 farmers in an Indian state committed  
> suicide after being driven to debt by crop failure, it was reported  
> today. The agricultural state of Chattisgarh was hit by falling water  
> levels. "The water level has gone down below 250 feet here. It used  
> to be at 40 feet a few years ago," Shatrughan Sahu, a villager in one  
> of the districts...More… (World News)
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:


> You're making yourself look like a raving 
> paranoid lunatic.

Look like ?
 

> Calm down before you bust an artery.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: If you had to be a true believer, which one would you be?

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11  wrote:
>
> talk about a couple of latent homosexuals...

Using the accusation of homosexuality as a personal insult...  I haven't seen 
this kind of enlightened perspective since around 5th grade.  There are many 
ugly things in your using this phrase this way Jim. But the more you repeat it, 
the more I wonder about that dress of yours.  What IS that all about?

But give our love to your toddler. It must be sooo hard chasing around the 
little tyke at your age.  So did you risk the advanced age pregnancy or did you 
go all Madonna and Angelina and just buy one?


> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Jim? you have your opinion, Barry, and i have mine. 
> > > > aside from your confused mind, we'll just leave it 
> > > > at that. 
> > > 
> > > Oooohh, I get it now. I call you by your REAL name 
> > > and then you call me by a FAKE name and that makes 
> > > it look like the REAL name I called you is a FAKE 
> > > name too!  You are like some kind of Vedic secret 
> > > agent moving through the world aren't you Jim?
> > 
> > Is that what it is?
> > 
> > I thought that the putdown du jour was 
> > to call *everyone* you don't like "Barry."
> > 
> > The idea is that Judy has spent so many
> > years demonizing the name "Barry" that if
> > you called Gandhi "Barry" everyone would
> > think that he was Satan.  :-)
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > glad you think so, Barry.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Little too late for that routine Jim.  You had your little run.  Now 
> > > > > it's over.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 
> > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > talk about a couple of latent homosexuals...
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Wow, very enlightened Jim.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" 
> > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > From: Judy Stein 
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: For Uncle Tantra about DHMO 
> > > > > > > > > > Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
> > > > > > > > > > Date: March 20, 2004 
> > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > Barry simply cannot stop himself from lying, 
> > > > > > > > > > even when he knows there isn't the slightest
> > > > > > > > > > chance of his fooling anybody...
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Bingo. But he does manange to fool some fools. Curtis comes 
> > > > > > > > > to mind; he always buyes into whatever is the new Barry 
> > > > > > > > > fantasy.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Viewing the world through desperate-colored glasses

[Kirk]

>
> you are someone who delights in pushing others' buttons and finding fault 
> with their beliefs. so be it. but don't try to hide this as your opinion, 
> when in fact it is your agenda.

-Barry is very intelligent and a great writer. I think he is pushing 
buttons to engage others not for any other reason than for entertainment. 
It's pretty clear to me that Barry is more at home in the gray areas of 
paradox and the uncertain than most others. Thus he likes to pome fun at 
people's certainty about unknowable subjects.  People's buttons get pushed. 
He has never pushed mine, so I am guessing that some people have bigger 
buttons than others. At any rate I believe that Barry finds any certainty in 
the mystical arena to be fodder for fools and subject for exploitation.  I 
am quite certain that Barry finds it a form of entertainment. Or else he 
couldn't have possibly interacted with Judy and the other AMT OG's for as 
long as he has.

Also it's quite obvious that TM and its cult environs have made a big 
impression upon him, or else he would have long ago moved on.  Like many, if 
not most TMers nowadays the shambles of the TM Movement were for them like a 
death resulting in the usual steps of acceptance starting with shock, then 
anger, and so on. we are most still caught up in that cycle somewhere, and 
few of us have adapted to the new and 'improved' TM Org.  Starting with the 
price increase of a few years back.

We are all exploring within ourselves whether we can support the Movement as 
it now stands with the emphasis on materialism and beurocratic rank and 
file.  The TMO is a Pandora's Box and it stands to reason that we are the 
forerunners of the old movement insofar as we at FFLife are the morphagenic 
meme explorers, each trying to cogitate through the extremely radical and 
controversial views of the Movement. So much of the Movement is merely 
supposition without any real solid basis in anyones experience.

I have been reading "Psychoanalysis and Buddhism" (Jeremy Saffran, 2003). 
In this book one of the authors discusses the differences of Zen systems, 
explaining two entirely discrete methodologies.  One of them the author 
describes as 'top down' and the other as 'bottom up.'  The top down system 
uses certain phrases, such as 'Mu' which means 'not' to arrive at the 
experience of oneness.  The bottom up system uses sitting meditation.  The 
former system can lead to experiences of onesess which can have a narcissism 
furthering tendency because one takes those experiences and feels 
condisention to others.  While the bottom up system takes one through a very 
hard system of rigorous sitting contemplation which is very painful, but 
which allows one to sit with their pain and thus start to feel a closeness 
to others through shared pain.

What I am arriving at, through this analogical view of Zen is that TM 
because it gives one mystical and profound experiences tends to make one 
feel superior to others. And this is clearly shown in the way Movement 
frontrunners show little compassion towards other people in general.

It is my thought that Barry constantly tries to open people's minds and 
hearts by elasticising them, which itself is bound to stir up trouble 
especially in those who hold onto a discursive and epistimological ethos 
separate from hard reality.

Hard reality is that we're all in the same boat and that this reality we 
face now is pretty much the only reality we can know.  Heaven on Earth, life 
after death, Gods and so on are really not subjects which can be answered, 
or if they can be, they are not answered in any systematic procedure for all 
people. This stream of thought alone tends to run counterindicatory to the 
whole basic premis of TM which is that anyone who can think a thought can 
reach unity consciousness through TM alone.

The history of the Movement proves otherwise, and that fact blows down the 
whole house of cards which Maharishi built.  In fact, nothing Maharishi 
taught is entirely the whole truth.  Much of what he accomplished he did so 
by playing on people's fears and former religious teachings.  The concept of 
heaven walking on earth is a Christian fundamental and Zionistic notion and 
is found nowhere in the Vedas except insofar as it pertains historically or 
mysthologically.  Nowhere in the Vedas does it say we can open a door onto 
sat Yuga.

My point is that anything less than full disclosure in a religious system is 
suspect, and so fair game to anyone who wishes to look into it.

Certainly one need not disrespect Maharishi to make such points, so maybe 
Barry crosses the line of good taste, and yet, as I noted heretofor, we are 
all ion a state of shock, anger, or suspended belief, at the death of 
Maharishi but moreso at the death of the TM Movement which we helped create 
through our blood sweat and tears, and calloused asses.

I don't blame Barry for his speaking volumns of irony.  I don't see why 
anyone does get shaken up by

[FairfieldLife] Re: If you had to be a true believer, which one would you be?

[enlightened_dawn11]

talk about a couple of latent homosexuals...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11  wrote:
> > >
> > > Jim? you have your opinion, Barry, and i have mine. 
> > > aside from your confused mind, we'll just leave it 
> > > at that. 
> > 
> > Oooohh, I get it now. I call you by your REAL name 
> > and then you call me by a FAKE name and that makes 
> > it look like the REAL name I called you is a FAKE 
> > name too!  You are like some kind of Vedic secret 
> > agent moving through the world aren't you Jim?
> 
> Is that what it is?
> 
> I thought that the putdown du jour was 
> to call *everyone* you don't like "Barry."
> 
> The idea is that Judy has spent so many
> years demonizing the name "Barry" that if
> you called Gandhi "Barry" everyone would
> think that he was Satan.  :-)
> 
> 
> > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > glad you think so, Barry.
> > > > 
> > > > Little too late for that routine Jim.  You had your little run.  Now 
> > > > it's over.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > talk about a couple of latent homosexuals...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Wow, very enlightened Jim.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" 
> > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > From: Judy Stein 
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: For Uncle Tantra about DHMO 
> > > > > > > > > Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
> > > > > > > > > Date: March 20, 2004 
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > Barry simply cannot stop himself from lying, 
> > > > > > > > > even when he knows there isn't the slightest
> > > > > > > > > chance of his fooling anybody...
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Bingo. But he does manange to fool some fools. Curtis comes to 
> > > > > > > > mind; he always buyes into whatever is the new Barry fantasy.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Conspiracy Theories

[enlightened_dawn11]

We can complain because rose bushes have thorns,
or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.
- Abraham Lincoln

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
> >
> > 1. The Maharishi, in a conspiracy with the 
> > Joshimutt Ashram cook, poisoned his guru to 
> > death, so that he, Mahesh Prasad Varma, 
> > could inherit the high chair and the sandals 
> > of his teacher, which would enable Mr. Varma 
> > to build a word-wide following and get rich, 
> > becoming a billionaire, so he could live in 
> > Vlodrop, Holland inside an air-conditioned 
> > log cabin all by himself.
> > 
> > 2. Saddam Hussien, in a conspiracy with Osama 
> > bin Laden, planted explosives underneath 
> > seven buildings at the World Trade Center, 
> > years before 9/11, in order to bring them all 
> > down at once; in reality, there were no planes 
> > or hijackers, no al Qaeda, no Taliban, and 
> > no training camps anywhere in Afghanistan or 
> > Iraq or anywhere else in the world.
> > 
> > 3. The second person on the grassy knoll at 
> > the Texas School Book Depository, was Marina 
> > Oswald, who killed Lee Harvey Oswald BEFORE 
> > he fired a single shot. Then Marina Oswald was 
> > framed by the Warren Commission to make it 
> > look like John F. Kennedy was killed, but in 
> > fact, Kennedy was never killed and is now 
> > working at a Texaco gas station in San Antonio 
> > with Elvis Presley as his assistant.
> >
> 
> 4. TM critics, flummoxed by their inability of actually detonate an exploding 
> TMer head, blame the launching of duds on and the conspiracy theory that 
> Maharishi planted seeds in said heads, capable of only sprouting flowers when 
> under attack, thereby defusing their missiles. Curses! Flowered again!
>

[FairfieldLife] 1,500 Farmers Commit Mass Suicide In India

[Vaj]

http://digg.com/d1om3A

1,500 Farmers Commit Mass Suicide In India
independent.co.uk — Over 1,500 farmers in an Indian state committed  
suicide after being driven to debt by crop failure, it was reported  
today. The agricultural state of Chattisgarh was hit by falling water  
levels. "The water level has gone down below 250 feet here. It used  
to be at 40 feet a few years ago," Shatrughan Sahu, a villager in one  
of the districts...More… (World News)

[FairfieldLife] So that's why Hispanics and Gringos are fat

[I am the eternal]

I had to go out without breakfast this morning so I thought I'd stop
into my favorite Mexican restaurant for breakfast.  This was my first
Mexican restaurant north of the border.  I ordered huevos con chirizo.
 Fried potatoes, refried beans and tortillas (I chose flour) came with
it.  I expected a little bite as I get in Mexico, something that would
blow off my plate if I breathed hard.  Instead I got what looked to be
6 extra large eggs fried with chirizo, slices of a good sized potato
sliced and fried, refried beans, a basket of floor tortillas and a
sweetish red pepper sausa.  I was shocked.  I ate about 1/3 of it.

So now I understand why Mexican Mexicans are thin and Hispanics are
hefty.  In Mexico I'd get one or two regular eggs fried with chirizo,
a few papas fritas, some refried beans and a couple of tortillas.

So Hispanic food's been supersized too.  And Austin isn't as bad as
Dallas but it's close.  Austin isn't a town built for walking very
far.  Mexican towns are built for walking.  Indeed some towns can only
be accessed by walking.  So plenty of intake with little calories
burned versus fewer calories with lots of calories burned.

There are 10 kinds of people in the world... those who understand
binary and those who don't

[FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:

> I got a kick out of that too--it could be a nyaya sutra:
> 
> "Points finger at catnip but cat looks at finger."
> 
> Moral of sutra: the cat missing the catnip and choosing the finger is  
> a metaphor for those who intuitively or deliberately miss the point  
> of a comment.

The funny thing is that my cats have actually developed the ability to follow 
my finger's direction now.  I sometimes have to move it a bit in the direction 
to make it work.  This is one of the distinctions I have read about dog 
intelligence as shaped by human contact over higher level primates.  Apes don't 
"get" this connection as quickly as dogs do.


>
> 
> On Apr 15, 2009, at 11:13 AM, Duveyoung wrote:
> 
> > "curtisdeltablues"  wrote:
> >  So you are still missing the point?  It is the hypocrisy of his  
> > position on gayness that I am criticizing. Not that he might be  
> > gay.  You remind me of my cats Judy.  When I point my finger at a  
> > treat, they look at my finger.
> >
> > Curtis,
> >
> > Now that was funny.  Judy in a nutshellemphasis on the word  
> > "shell."
> >
> > I'm continually amazed that you debate her when you know it will  
> > come to naught in terms of helping her evolve her POV.
> >
> > I'm guessing that you do it as an intellectual exercise for your  
> > own benefit -- practice makes clarity.
> 
> 
> I got a kick out of that too--it could be a nyaya sutra:
> 
> "Points finger at catnip but cat looks at finger."
> 
> Moral of sutra: the cat missing the catnip and choosing the finger is  
> a metaphor for those who intuitively or deliberately miss the point  
> of a comment.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> (Although the Post Count will register this as my 51st
> post for the week, in fact I had a duplicate post on
> Monday (215357 and 215358), so this is really my 50th.)
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > 
> > > The homophobic views were bad enough. What I'm
> > > objecting to is your *adding* the hypocrisy charge
> > > when there's zero evidence for it.
> > 
> > Obviously I don't share that opinion.  I don't share
> > your tolerance for his intolerance either. Understanding
> > a person's culture doesn't get him off the hook for
> > being a dick.  And I notice you are not extending me the
> > same courtesy for my opinion being influenced by my
> > culture and upbringing, are you?  So your "understanding"
> > only extends to defending him doesn't it?
> 
> Huh?? Your last sentence makes no sense to me.

You are making excuses based on the cultural upbringing and culture for 
Maharishi for his views.  But my views are also shaped by my culture and 
upbringing.  For me to express mine is labeled as "meanspirited."  But for him, 
whose views actually hurt real people, it is just a cultural thing that we 
should all just understand and overlook like  when Uncle John scratches his 
balls at family gatherings.

> 
> >  That's petty and
> > > meanspirited and entirely gratuitous.
> > 
> > For calling the guy a hypocrite?  You have your
> > meanspirited meter set too low.
> 
> We disagree.
> 
>   You might want to
> > raise it to say, people who present themselves as
> > enlightened beings who teach their followers that
> > gay people are destroying their personal evolution.
> > If you knew anything about the gay purging that
> > went on at MIU you would understand the meaning of
> > the word meanspirited.
> 
> So because very meanspirited things happened at MIU
> many years ago, that makes it OK for you to be 
> somewhat meanspirited here?

I object to this whole angle Judy.  The guy is dead.  His feelings are not 
being hurt by my speculations.  IMO this whole discussion would have been 
vastly improved without this distraction. 

> 
> 
> > > That's a pretty standard form of sadhana in India. It's
> > > called Guru-Bhakti Yoga. In that context, it's not at
> > > all out-of-the-box.
> > 
> > And neither you nor I know anything about what is
> > involved in that relationship do we?  Like the
> > relationship of a Catholic priest and his favorite
> > alter boy perhaps?  Neither of us know.
> 
> Is that what you're calling "out-of-the-box male
> bonding"?

I am saying that I don't know the range of behaviors and you don't either.  But 
in my experience, the claim of asexuality often a cover for gay activity.  I 
don't believe that it is normal to be asexual.  When I tried to be a monk it 
just made my desire for women become stronger.  The intensity of fantasy life, 
the intensity of whenever I was with women makes me believe that more often 
something is going on.  I know people claim some men aren't like this.  I'll 
believe it when I see it and I haven't so far. Especially in over the top 
ambitious men like Maharishi.

> 
> Do you agree with Barry that the *entire tradition*
> has always been a cover for homosexuality?

I doubt he believes this either.  But it is not all one way or another.  Just 
as we know from the Catholic Church, religious institutions can be a context 
where gay men can exist in a society that forbids it.

> 
> Just one point on the *rationality* of your
> speculation: Ashrams are pressure cookers, and it's
> not easy to keep secrets. The other disciples of
> Guru Dev were reportedly pissed off at MMY in the
> first place because he'd maneuvered himself into the
> position of Guru Dev's secretary, to the point that
> rumors were started after Guru Dev's death that MMY
> had murdered him.
> 
> Do you really think that if there'd been any
> suspicion that MMY lusted after Guru Dev, not a
> whiff of it would have been noted anywhere on the
> record?

Neither of us know what rumors swirled around the ashram when his doors were 
closed.  For all we know this is an acceptable thing in the context of the 
"enlightened."  People sure were able to rationalize anything Maharishi did.  
So I don't take a lack of a recorded account of accusations to mean anything.  
It is not an unreasonable speculation for me.  We are only arguing about what 
his seemingly obsessive man-love included.

> 
> > What started out as an experiment in speculation like
> > the entire media does with the personal life of public
> > figures has turned into an interesting experiment in
> > how long term meditators deal with cognitive dissonance.
> 
> The "cognitive dissonance" mantra is intellectually
> dishonest. It's just a cheap way to dismiss and
> demean any objection to TM critics' ideas, no matter
> how absurd those ideas may be.
> 
> If I suggested that 

[FairfieldLife] Thom Hartmann and Alex Jones Simulcast

[Bhairitu]

In the second hour of both broadcaster's shows Thom Hartmann and Alex 
Jones are going to be simulcasting with each interviewing each other and 
taking calls.  Should be interesting.  Second hour will be 10-11 AM PT 
or 1-2 PM ET.

www.thomhartmann.com
www.infowars.com

Happy Tax Day!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[Vaj]

On Apr 15, 2009, at 11:13 AM, Duveyoung wrote:


"curtisdeltablues"  wrote:
 So you are still missing the point?  It is the hypocrisy of his  
position on gayness that I am criticizing. Not that he might be  
gay.  You remind me of my cats Judy.  When I point my finger at a  
treat, they look at my finger.


Curtis,

Now that was funny.  Judy in a nutshellemphasis on the word  
"shell."


I'm continually amazed that you debate her when you know it will  
come to naught in terms of helping her evolve her POV.


I'm guessing that you do it as an intellectual exercise for your  
own benefit -- practice makes clarity.



I got a kick out of that too--it could be a nyaya sutra:

"Points finger at catnip but cat looks at finger."

Moral of sutra: the cat missing the catnip and choosing the finger is  
a metaphor for those who intuitively or deliberately miss the point  
of a comment.

Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Dallas, Texas: Going Gay?'

[I am the eternal]

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 1:40 AM, Robert  wrote:
>
>
> Dallas: Texas' Biggest Gay Community
>

It's with deep regret that I must also tell you that Dallas is also
one of the biggest homophobe communities in the US.  Anybody remember
the two gay bashers who killed a gay guy and the judge said it's about
right, after all, the gay guy was a homosexual?

Also note that Lawrence v. Texas started in Houston, another very
large gay community.

There are very few gay bashings here in Austin because gay men fit in
as much as possible, acting "butch" when downtown.  It's only gaydar
and seeing two guys walking into the bar with the rainbow in front of
it that you can spot two gays.  Austin has this blessing or curse.  We
have a very small downtown.  So unlike Dallas with it's Harry Hines
Blvd. and Forest Lawn, Houston with its Montrose section, we have
homeless shelters, gay bars, straight bars of all sorts, martini
lounges, expresso bars and restaurants all within the area of a few
blocks.  It's always been like this.  And although our motto is Keep
Austin Weird, well, there are redneck male husters which prey upon gay
guys so once in a while we have a gay bashing.  By and large, though,
it's live and let live.   An apartment maintenance guy lives down the
street from me and when he walks and talks he sets everything on fire.
 None the less, he's just another one of the guests at neighborhood
barbeques and the like.  Tolerance is something of a religion here in
Austin, though religious tolerance isn't practiced by the born agains
who live here.  Even those people have the sense to not mouth off
about gays outside of their churches.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Homeland Security Warns of Rightwing Extremists

[raunchydog]

Just as Bush tried to squash free speech by rounding up protesters the 
Republican National Convention in New York in 2004, the hyper vigilance of the 
DHS will be the undoing of what little we have left of the bill of rights. Get 
this straight. Most people who go to a protest, whether on the left of right of 
the political spectrum are law abiding citizens who do not mean the president 
harm. If you cheer an indiscriminate sweep of protesters in a climate of 
paranoia, or spying on fellow citizens with whom you disagree, you risk 
sacrificing your own right to petition your government and so much more. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> [Fueled by the corporate sponsored FOX Noise Ministry of Information]
> 
> 
> MIAMI (Reuters) - Right-wing extremists in the United States are gaining new 
> recruits by exploiting fears about the economy and the election of the first 
> black U.S. president, the Department of Homeland Security warned in a report 
> to law enforcement officials.
> 
> The April 7 report, which Reuters and other news media obtained on Tuesday, 
> said such fears were driving a resurgence in "recruitment and radicalization 
> activity" by white supremacist groups, antigovernment extremists and militia 
> movements. It did not identify any by name.
> 
> DHS had no specific information about pending violence and said threats had 
> so far been "largely rhetorical."
> 
> But it warned that home foreclosures, unemployment and other consequences of 
> the economic recession "could create a fertile recruiting environment for 
> right-wing extremists."
> 
> "To the extent that these factors persist, right-wing extremism is likely to 
> grow in strength," DHS said.
> 
> The report warned that military veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan 
> with combat skills could be recruitment targets, especially those having 
> trouble finding jobs or fitting back into civilian society.
> 
> The department "is concerned that right-wing extremists will attempt to 
> recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to boost their violent 
> capabilities," the report said.
> 
> DHS spokeswoman Sara Kuban said on Tuesday the report was one of an ongoing 
> series of threat assessments aimed at "a greater understanding of violent 
> radicalization in the U.S."
> 
> A similar assessment of left-wing radicals completed in January was 
> distributed to federal, state and local police agencies at that time.
> 
> "These assessments are done all the time, this is nothing unusual," Kuban 
> said.
> 
> The Department of Homeland Security was formed in response to the September 
> 11 attacks of 2001 and has focused largely on threats from Islamist 
> extremists.
> 
> The report said domestic right-wing terrorist groups grew during the economic 
> recession of the early 1990s but subsided as the economy improved.
> 
> Government scrutiny disrupted violent plots following the April 1995 bombing 
> of a federal building in Oklahoma City by Army veteran Timothy McVeigh which 
> killed 168 people.
> 
> LONE WOLVES
> 
> "Despite similarities to the climate of the 1990s, the threat posed by lone 
> wolves and small terrorist cells is more pronounced than in past years," the 
> report said.
> 
> The Internet has made it easier to locate specific targets, communicate with 
> like-minded people and find information on bombs and weapons, it said.
> 
> Extremist groups are preying on fears that President Barack Obama, the first 
> African American U.S. president, would restrict gun ownership, boost 
> immigration and expand social programs for minorities, the report said.
> 
> It said such groups were also exploiting anti-Semitic sentiment with 
> accusations that "a cabal of Jewish financial elites" had conspired to 
> collapse the economy.
> 
> "This trend is likely to accelerate if the economy is perceived to worsen," 
> the report said.
> 
> ===
> 
> Rightwing extremist groups may be on the rise amid the current social and 
> economic situation, describes a new report from the Department of Homeland 
> Security (DHS).
> 
> The report was released Tuesday in coordination with the Federal Bureau of 
> Investigation (FBI) and was sent to various state, federal, and law 
> enforcement officials to alert them of the potential threat. The report is 
> called "Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling 
> Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment."
> 
> It addresses growing white supremacist and rightwing extremist groups and the 
> stockpiling of weapons amid the election of the first African American 
> president, liberal policy changes, possible gun restrictions, and an economic 
> downturn. The groups are using such issues to recruit new members, create 
> propaganda and mobilize those already in support of their cause.
> 
> Although the groups have not indicated plans to carry out violent acts, these 
> issues "could create a fertile recruiting environment for righ

Re: [FairfieldLife] Calling all true believers . . . (Re: Reflections on developments)

[Vaj]

On Apr 15, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Duveyoung wrote:

The below is what I was talking about the other day when I said  
that Vaj puts us in the right place in which to look for sparklers  
of truth.


Well, thanks for all the credit, but all I did was cut and paste!



Let's see if even one true believer here will tackle the immense  
amount of truth in Vaj's post and show where Maharishi trained his  
teachers to have this kind of intimacy with the thought process.


Not that Maharishi attempted to get his teachers to have this kind  
of scholarship, but that this kind of material is so basic and so  
clear that it is a major WTF? to have Maharishi send his teachers  
out to the real world so unarmed and without conceptual grasp of  
their own "product for sale."


If one has been doing TM for decades, this should be  pretty basic  
stuff, because the below is merely an intellectual delineation of  
the kinds of thinking that ANY human being has in ordinary  
consciousness -- except that the ordinary person doesn't spend  
enough time "within" to get conceptually jiggy with the processes  
enough to see how one state ever so slightly differs from another  
state of consciousness.  Your long time TMer would be expected to  
easily understand the below if they've been "wafting downwards  
gently exploring the various levels of consciousness."  They may  
understand the below, but where are the long time TMers who could  
spontaneously manifest this kind of conceptual grasp?


The important thing IMO to TM folks, would be to be able to delineate  
the different levels of their everyday, easy practice of TM with the  
signs already present in what they're doing. For example, how do I  
follow sound to light (the origin of sound), then to the origin of  
the mind and then to the dissolution of the mind?  How do I know when  
I'm ready to "go for the highest first" and switch from mantra  
meditation to Vedantic contemplation? How do I know when the mantra  
is being is being repeated at the level of manas or Buddhi or the  
citta? Which level is it mechanical, which level is easy and  
automatic? What's the difference? How can Buddhi grasp atman? How do  
you locate the shaksi or witness as the atman? Inevitably, instead,  
it ends in the dead-end of jada "samadhi" (the sign the vasanas were  
not eliminated); their breath stops and they think they're in Pure  
Consciousness. Sometimes a gap is just a gap (sorry Freud).


But sadly, such easy experiential methods are not taught.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[authfriend]

(Although the Post Count will register this as my 51st
post for the week, in fact I had a duplicate post on
Monday (215357 and 215358), so this is really my 50th.)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> 
> > The homophobic views were bad enough. What I'm
> > objecting to is your *adding* the hypocrisy charge
> > when there's zero evidence for it.
> 
> Obviously I don't share that opinion.  I don't share
> your tolerance for his intolerance either. Understanding
> a person's culture doesn't get him off the hook for
> being a dick.  And I notice you are not extending me the
> same courtesy for my opinion being influenced by my
> culture and upbringing, are you?  So your "understanding"
> only extends to defending him doesn't it?

Huh?? Your last sentence makes no sense to me.

>  That's petty and
> > meanspirited and entirely gratuitous.
> 
> For calling the guy a hypocrite?  You have your
> meanspirited meter set too low.

We disagree.

  You might want to
> raise it to say, people who present themselves as
> enlightened beings who teach their followers that
> gay people are destroying their personal evolution.
> If you knew anything about the gay purging that
> went on at MIU you would understand the meaning of
> the word meanspirited.

So because very meanspirited things happened at MIU
many years ago, that makes it OK for you to be 
somewhat meanspirited here?


> > That's a pretty standard form of sadhana in India. It's
> > called Guru-Bhakti Yoga. In that context, it's not at
> > all out-of-the-box.
> 
> And neither you nor I know anything about what is
> involved in that relationship do we?  Like the
> relationship of a Catholic priest and his favorite
> alter boy perhaps?  Neither of us know.

Is that what you're calling "out-of-the-box male
bonding"?

Do you agree with Barry that the *entire tradition*
has always been a cover for homosexuality?

Just one point on the *rationality* of your
speculation: Ashrams are pressure cookers, and it's
not easy to keep secrets. The other disciples of
Guru Dev were reportedly pissed off at MMY in the
first place because he'd maneuvered himself into the
position of Guru Dev's secretary, to the point that
rumors were started after Guru Dev's death that MMY
had murdered him.

Do you really think that if there'd been any
suspicion that MMY lusted after Guru Dev, not a
whiff of it would have been noted anywhere on the
record?

> What started out as an experiment in speculation like
> the entire media does with the personal life of public
> figures has turned into an interesting experiment in
> how long term meditators deal with cognitive dissonance.

The "cognitive dissonance" mantra is intellectually
dishonest. It's just a cheap way to dismiss and
demean any objection to TM critics' ideas, no matter
how absurd those ideas may be.

If I suggested that you were a child abuser, would
it be cognitive dissonance for you to object?

> But as usual you made many good points among the
> attempts to turn anything I say against the perfect
> image of Maharishi against me personally.

Right, like my acknowledgments that he was a flawed
human being, had a highly objectionable view of
homosexuality, and had committed lots of other
hypocrisies. Yup, I'm sure defending a perfect image
of MMY, all right.

> > So a dude who grew up in India and went from college
> > straight into an ashram who isn't understanding to
> > your modern Western standards is hypocritical?
> 
> The guy was a world traveler who had plenty of time to
> learn that he was wrong. He had more exposure to people
> and ideas than I will ever have in m life.

People, yes. Ideas, especially about homosexuality,
I seriously doubt. And the ideas about homosexuality
back then were generally significantly less liberal
than those you've been exposed to. More likely he'd
have been exposed to *confirmation* of his ideas.

  But he didn't learn and never amended his prejudice. 
> Mr. Enlightened.
> 
> But I'm the bad guy for pointing this out.

You're a lot harder on him than is reasonable or fair,
yes. And sometimes you have to stand on your head to
justify adding yet another sin to the list.

BTW, the notion that higher consciousness fosters
perfect behavior according to human standards is a
pernicious one, IMHO (and if there are nonhuman
standards, we don't know what they are).

Either MMY believed higher consciousness *did* foster
perfect behavior and was wrong, or he knew it wasn't
but figured the idea that it was would nudge meditators
to improve their behavior in line with *his* standards.

But if that was his motivation, it backfired on him,
because *he* couldn't maintain those standards.

I don't think higher consciousness has much of any
correlation with behavior, positive or negative. So
I evaluate MMY's behavior as I would anyone else's.
But by the same token, I don't subtract enlightenment
points on the basis of his bad 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> "curtisdeltablues"  wrote:
>  So you are still missing the point?  It is the hypocrisy of his position on 
> gayness that I am criticizing. Not that he might be gay.  You remind me of my 
> cats Judy.  When I point my finger at a treat, they look at my finger.  
> 
> Curtis,
> 
> Now that was funny.  Judy in a nutshellemphasis on the word "shell."
> 
> I'm continually amazed that you debate her when you know it will come to 
> naught in terms of helping her evolve her POV.

I'm definitely not trying to change her perspective on anything.  I can't 
remember any instance of this happening.  She has changed my POV sometimes 
though, by making me see something in a different way.

> 
> I'm guessing that you do it as an intellectual exercise for your own benefit 
> -- practice makes clarity.

It is a real asset for me to find out how I feel about something.  Most of the 
distracting noise of personal insults has subsided to a comfortable background 
drone.  I know I am discussing something with a person who thinks poorly of me 
and this keeps me on my toes.

But the real value is the invitation to discuss something in detail knowing 
that any slip will be challenged.  Although I am not always in agreement with 
what she is challenging, the general effect is sort of editor-like for my 
writing.  And since my main payoff here is not the content of the discussion, 
but the process of writing itself, this is a gift.

Although Judy can't be considered a friend here like I consider you, someone 
who wishes me well, and will not immediately interpret what I write as evidence 
of my personal faults, she is one of the main reasons I have stuck around. If 
you compare what she has written in this last exchange to the posters who have 
used it as a reason to fling the oddest personal insults only, you see how rare 
this is.  Most people with a TM orientation would ignore such an offensive 
thought exercise, some would fling invectives.  But there is Judy actually 
engaging in the topic in detail!

And I could say the same for you Edg.  You have also offered me the gift of a 
detailed response numerous times.  But with you I can relax a bit with that 
"bro is at home" good-will feeling underneath the challenges.  If I had my 
druthers, this is what I prefer.







> 
> Edg
>

[FairfieldLife] Homeland Security Warns of Rightwing Extremists

[do.rflex]

[Fueled by the corporate sponsored FOX Noise Ministry of Information]


MIAMI (Reuters) - Right-wing extremists in the United States are gaining new 
recruits by exploiting fears about the economy and the election of the first 
black U.S. president, the Department of Homeland Security warned in a report to 
law enforcement officials.

The April 7 report, which Reuters and other news media obtained on Tuesday, 
said such fears were driving a resurgence in "recruitment and radicalization 
activity" by white supremacist groups, antigovernment extremists and militia 
movements. It did not identify any by name.

DHS had no specific information about pending violence and said threats had so 
far been "largely rhetorical."

But it warned that home foreclosures, unemployment and other consequences of 
the economic recession "could create a fertile recruiting environment for 
right-wing extremists."

"To the extent that these factors persist, right-wing extremism is likely to 
grow in strength," DHS said.

The report warned that military veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan 
with combat skills could be recruitment targets, especially those having 
trouble finding jobs or fitting back into civilian society.

The department "is concerned that right-wing extremists will attempt to recruit 
and radicalize returning veterans in order to boost their violent 
capabilities," the report said.

DHS spokeswoman Sara Kuban said on Tuesday the report was one of an ongoing 
series of threat assessments aimed at "a greater understanding of violent 
radicalization in the U.S."

A similar assessment of left-wing radicals completed in January was distributed 
to federal, state and local police agencies at that time.

"These assessments are done all the time, this is nothing unusual," Kuban said.

The Department of Homeland Security was formed in response to the September 11 
attacks of 2001 and has focused largely on threats from Islamist extremists.

The report said domestic right-wing terrorist groups grew during the economic 
recession of the early 1990s but subsided as the economy improved.

Government scrutiny disrupted violent plots following the April 1995 bombing of 
a federal building in Oklahoma City by Army veteran Timothy McVeigh which 
killed 168 people.

LONE WOLVES

"Despite similarities to the climate of the 1990s, the threat posed by lone 
wolves and small terrorist cells is more pronounced than in past years," the 
report said.

The Internet has made it easier to locate specific targets, communicate with 
like-minded people and find information on bombs and weapons, it said.

Extremist groups are preying on fears that President Barack Obama, the first 
African American U.S. president, would restrict gun ownership, boost 
immigration and expand social programs for minorities, the report said.

It said such groups were also exploiting anti-Semitic sentiment with 
accusations that "a cabal of Jewish financial elites" had conspired to collapse 
the economy.

"This trend is likely to accelerate if the economy is perceived to worsen," the 
report said.

===

Rightwing extremist groups may be on the rise amid the current social and 
economic situation, describes a new report from the Department of Homeland 
Security (DHS).

The report was released Tuesday in coordination with the Federal Bureau of 
Investigation (FBI) and was sent to various state, federal, and law enforcement 
officials to alert them of the potential threat. The report is called 
"Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence 
in Radicalization and Recruitment."

It addresses growing white supremacist and rightwing extremist groups and the 
stockpiling of weapons amid the election of the first African American 
president, liberal policy changes, possible gun restrictions, and an economic 
downturn. The groups are using such issues to recruit new members, create 
propaganda and mobilize those already in support of their cause.

Although the groups have not indicated plans to carry out violent acts, these 
issues "could create a fertile recruiting environment for rightwing extremists 
and even result in confrontations between such groups and government 
authorities similar to those in the past."

The report mentions military veterans returning home may present a risk as 
rightwing extremist groups may attempt to recruit them for their combat skills. 
The extremists try to recruit people with such skills "in order to boost their 
violent capabilities."

Such issues have been a problem in the past. Following Operation Desert Shield 
and Operation Desert Storm in 1990 and 1991, several veterans—including Timothy 
McVeigh—joined or began associating themselves with rightwing extremist groups, 
ultimately leading to the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995.

The FBI said in a 2008 report on the white supremacist movement that some 
returning military veterans from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are joining 
rightwing extrem

[FairfieldLife] 12 Jyothirlinga Mantras

[shukra69]

The 12 Jyothirlinga can be used as a remedy for karmic influences symbolized by 
the planets based on the Jyothirlinga that creates that problem planets 
exhaltation:

http://blog.himalayavedicworld.com/blog1.php/2008/10/24/the-12-jyotirlingam

Both the forms of the mantras based on Om namah shivayah and without Om (namah 
shivayah) are prasiddhi and can be done by anyone regardless of considerations 
like name , birth nakshatra etc.

also see
http://blog.himalayavedicworld.com/blog1.php/2008/10/24/the-12-jyotirlingam

mantras given out by Achyuta Parampara are a bit different ie 
Somanathaaya
Omkareshaaya
bija of Sadashiva (haum) or Mahamrityunja (jum) sa can be used 
certain modifications of the mantras are valid and allow the removal of energy 
(esp from negative houses in one's birth chart) according to the number of 
words, and the addition of energy to other houses (according to the number of 
syllables) 
ie 
Om namah shivayah somanathaaya haum jum sah
takes energy from 7th house, benefits the 2nd house good if malefic in 7th for 
example and desire is to strenghten 2nd

Namah Shivayah somanathaya haum sah
takes energy from 5th, benefits twelth 

http://rayofsolaris.co.uk/jyotisa/?content=jyotirlinga&itrans=yes

Mantras can be done mentally if purity at the time of chanting cannot be 
maintained but chanting outloud can also benefit the environment.

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Conspiracy Theories

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  
wrote:
>
> 1. The Maharishi, in a conspiracy with the 
> Joshimutt Ashram cook, poisoned his guru to 
> death, so that he, Mahesh Prasad Varma, 
> could inherit the high chair and the sandals 
> of his teacher, which would enable Mr. Varma 
> to build a word-wide following and get rich, 
> becoming a billionaire, so he could live in 
> Vlodrop, Holland inside an air-conditioned 
> log cabin all by himself.
> 
> 2. Saddam Hussien, in a conspiracy with Osama 
> bin Laden, planted explosives underneath 
> seven buildings at the World Trade Center, 
> years before 9/11, in order to bring them all 
> down at once; in reality, there were no planes 
> or hijackers, no al Qaeda, no Taliban, and 
> no training camps anywhere in Afghanistan or 
> Iraq or anywhere else in the world.
> 
> 3. The second person on the grassy knoll at 
> the Texas School Book Depository, was Marina 
> Oswald, who killed Lee Harvey Oswald BEFORE 
> he fired a single shot. Then Marina Oswald was 
> framed by the Warren Commission to make it 
> look like John F. Kennedy was killed, but in 
> fact, Kennedy was never killed and is now 
> working at a Texaco gas station in San Antonio 
> with Elvis Presley as his assistant.
>

4. TM critics, flummoxed by their inability of actually detonate an exploding 
TMer head, blame the launching of duds on and the conspiracy theory that 
Maharishi planted seeds in said heads, capable of only sprouting flowers when 
under attack, thereby defusing their missiles. Curses! Flowered again! 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[Duveyoung]

"curtisdeltablues"  wrote:
 So you are still missing the point?  It is the hypocrisy of his position on 
gayness that I am criticizing. Not that he might be gay.  You remind me of my 
cats Judy.  When I point my finger at a treat, they look at my finger.  

Curtis,

Now that was funny.  Judy in a nutshellemphasis on the word "shell."

I'm continually amazed that you debate her when you know it will come to naught 
in terms of helping her evolve her POV.

I'm guessing that you do it as an intellectual exercise for your own benefit -- 
practice makes clarity.

Edg

[FairfieldLife] Calling all true believers . . . (Re: Reflections on developments)

[Duveyoung]

The below is what I was talking about the other day when I said that Vaj puts 
us in the right place in which to look for sparklers of truth.

Let's see if even one true believer here will tackle the immense amount of 
truth in Vaj's post and show where Maharishi trained his teachers to have this 
kind of intimacy with the thought process. 

Not that Maharishi attempted to get his teachers to have this kind of 
scholarship, but that this kind of material is so basic and so clear that it is 
a major WTF? to have Maharishi send his teachers out to the real world so 
unarmed and without conceptual grasp of their own "product for sale."  

If one has been doing TM for decades, this should be  pretty basic stuff, 
because the below is merely an intellectual delineation of the kinds of 
thinking that ANY human being has in ordinary consciousness -- except that the 
ordinary person doesn't spend enough time "within" to get conceptually jiggy 
with the processes enough to see how one state ever so slightly differs from 
another state of consciousness.  Your long time TMer would be expected to 
easily understand the below if they've been "wafting downwards gently exploring 
the various levels of consciousness."  They may understand the below, but where 
are the long time TMers who could spontaneously manifest this kind of 
conceptual grasp?

Maharishi would  have told us "not to analyze the dark," if the  below was 
presented to him.  He tossed aside almost all the below clarity in favor of 
having zombies hit the streets with memorized blurbs to create the illusion 
that they, the teachers, had some sort of spiritual ken, but only the rarest of 
the TM teachers could possibly handle a question from someone about the below 
material.  No teacher had to write a "blue book" about consciousness in order 
to get the mantras.  Parrots R Us was the deal.

Imagine someone getting up at a first lecture and asking:  

"Does TM work at the level of volition at least enough such that, despite the 
effortlessness of the technique in most regards, there is this residual amount 
of "effort by the mind to attend to the mantra" even if this effort is so 
natural and subtle that it is largely unnoticed by the meditator during 
meditation?"

Yeah, almost any teacher could dodge such a question at a first lecture, but, 
get the point here: most teachers would make a fool of themselves to try to 
explain the thinking process like the below material does with ease.  If 
anything, Maharishi could have had us all memorize the below stuff, but no, if 
he'd done that, then we'd  all have had a thousand questions that  we needed to 
work on, and that would make us all into independent thinkers (Buddhist 
neophytes) instead of zombies.

So let's hear  it  you true believers -- if you really think you know the TM 
dogma, then it should be a snap to translate the below into TM-speak and show 
how all the below  is encompassed by the TM technique such that any expertise 
obtained by a Buddhist meditator who is able to meditate with the below 
intellectual clarity  will be equaled by the TM meditator using the TM 
technique.   

As an example, a true believer  should be able to explain how the TM technique  
eventually creates a mind/person that can routinely produce this "awareness 
about awareness" experience: "(emptiness) involves conceptual processing, 
before the non-conceptual vastness arises."  

The above is a nuance about the concept "awareness."  In all of Maharishi's 
teachings to me about higher states of consciousness, where was the above 
information about awareness?  It may have been "touched upon," here and there, 
maybe it was "derivable by a sufficiently intelligent person," but never once 
did Maharishi tell me that eventually, as a milestone of progress towards 
enlightenment, I'd have a mind that was so adroitly able to grasp the mechanics 
of awareness that even the above nuance would be as obvious to me as a gunshot 
in a phone booth?  

We heard about God Consciousness being the state where -- it was assumed -- one 
would spontaneously know about such nuances -- the Trotakacharya Effect -- 
see...a dummy all your life but suddenly you come out with pure poetry in 
perfect meter.  Like that. In GC one can know anything one thought at a time, 
right?  Where are the Trotakacharya after all these decades.  The 3,000 TMers 
in FF should have produced every sort of saint by now who could handle these 
concepts with ease.  But, nope.  They're all a uneducated as they were the day 
they got their mantras.

Present the below material to any long time TMer, and it will be as if new 
stuff to them.  We don't see long time meditators coming out with such delicate 
grasp that must necessarily be achieved if the promises of Unity are to be 
fulfilled.  Maharishi said "home of all knowledge" a zillion times, right?  

Critics of Buddhism can diss them as "mere philosophy majors," but  if one 
doesn't know the below material, then the  w

[FairfieldLife] More Conspiracy Theories

[Richard J. Williams]

1. The Maharishi, in a conspiracy with the 
Joshimutt Ashram cook, poisoned his guru to 
death, so that he, Mahesh Prasad Varma, 
could inherit the high chair and the sandals 
of his teacher, which would enable Mr. Varma 
to build a word-wide following and get rich, 
becoming a billionaire, so he could live in 
Vlodrop, Holland inside an air-conditioned 
log cabin all by himself.

2. Saddam Hussien, in a conspiracy with Osama 
bin Laden, planted explosives underneath 
seven buildings at the World Trade Center, 
years before 9/11, in order to bring them all 
down at once; in reality, there were no planes 
or hijackers, no al Qaeda, no Taliban, and 
no training camps anywhere in Afghanistan or 
Iraq or anywhere else in the world.

3. The second person on the grassy knoll at 
the Texas School Book Depository, was Marina 
Oswald, who killed Lee Harvey Oswald BEFORE 
he fired a single shot. Then Marina Oswald was 
framed by the Warren Commission to make it 
look like John F. Kennedy was killed, but in 
fact, Kennedy was never killed and is now 
working at a Texaco gas station in San Antonio 
with Elvis Presley as his assistant.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific American article. . .

[grate . swan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis"  wrote:
>
> . . . on the decriminalization of street drugs in Portugal.
> 
> 
> In the face of a growing number of deaths and cases of HIV linked to drug 
> abuse, the Portuguese government in 2001 tried a new tack to get a handle on 
> the problem—it decriminalized the use and possession of heroin, cocaine, 
> marijuana, LSD and other illicit street drugs. The theory: focusing on 
> treatment and prevention instead of jailing users would decrease the number 
> of deaths and infections.
>  
>  Five years later, the number of deaths from street drug overdoses dropped 
> from around 400 to 290 annually, and the number of new HIV cases caused by 
> using dirty needles to inject heroin, cocaine and other illegal substances 
> plummeted from nearly 1,400 in 2000 to about 400 in 2006,  according to a 
> report released recently by the Cato Institute, a Washington, D.C, 
> libertarian think tank.
>  
> 
> Full article at:  http://snipurl.com/fxzdt
>


"Drug legalization removes all criminal penalties for producing, selling and 
using drugs; no country has tried it. In contrast, decriminalization, as 
practiced in Portugal, eliminates jail time for drug users but maintains 
criminal penalties for dealers. Spain and Italy have also decriminalized 
personal use of drugs and Mexico's president has proposed doing the same. ."

Its interesting that they did not legalize it -- as I had misread the above 
post. By making the supply side illegal, supply is reduced, keeping prices 
artificially high -- with the primary, and most negative effect of illegal 
drugs --- at many levels it funds criminal cartels and reactionary / terrorist 
groups. (not at all levels, your local indoor pit grower is not part of a crime 
syndicate and is oly making a buck)

Legalization of supply would stop the mexican drug wars overnight. And the drug 
money funding corrupt political systems would stop. And the Taliban, al-quada 
and all would would not obtain massive funding from the opium trade. 

And prisons would lose half their inmates -- and the released would not receive 
their on-going first class education in the skills of crime. 
 
In the time of tight budgets, why not take a huge slice out of military, 
prison, state dept (having to deal with corrupt drug funded regimes), police 
and homeland security budgets by legalizing drugs. 

Yes, we will continue to have crack moms and  other horror stories, but the 
incidence I view would go down dramatically with increased funding (from the 
above savings) of drug education and rehabilitation (if needed).  Its not like 
current policies have reduced crack moms, etc.

And if those who seek or are driven to self-medicate, having more variety would 
help them choose drugs more suited to their needs, not have to rely on crack 
because its cheaper and more available.

Perhaps have a license to use drugs. Requiring taking several courses on 
effects, dangers, getting at and healing core motivations to need and take 
drugs. 

The article notes decriminalization in Spain. I know its that way with pot, but 
is it for all drugs? Turq, seen any effects of such policies in Spain?

 

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[FairfieldLife] Jyotirmath Lineage (RFC)

[Richard J. Williams]

Well, I think I'm in a better position than 
just about anyone to summarize the known 
facts concerning Swami Brahmanand's untimely 
demise. I've read all the pertinent published 
literature, which I have cited, with copious 
footnotes, and I've interviewed three direct 
disciples of Brahmanand Saraswati, one that 
is still living, Swami Prakashanand Saraswati, 
who lives at Barsana Dham, one of the largest 
Hindu temples outside India, which is about a 
mile from my house.

In contrast, nobody else has referenced any 
published works, named no witnesses, or even 
spoken to the most famous living disciple. In 
my opinion, Perino and Vaj are perpetuating 
political rumors and posting mis-information. 

There's no evidence that Mahesh Yogi, in a 
conspiracy with the Jyotirmath ashram cook, 
murdered Brahmanand by putting poison in his 
food when he was at Calcutta. 

That's preposterous on its face!

I wonder, where, exactly, do they get their 
information?

I'm still waiting for anyone (and Professor 
Sawyer) to post a list of works cited. Please 
post any references to books, newspapers 
articles, reports, internet - any source that 
would support your position.

The facts:

In fact, there is no real Shankaracharya of 
Jyorirmath because that lineage was extinct. 
The following exchange, which appeared on 
Usenet and on Yahoo! FairfieldLife, has been 
formatted for easy reading. 

Full text available here: 
 
'So Kindly You Say!'
http://tinyurl.com/rzm7t 

Updated essay here:
http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/jyotirmath_lineage.pdf