[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepest, Dark, Midwinter
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost...@... wrote: This is it - 30 minutes to the low point... Winter solstice is 17:47 UTC by my calender. The *new light* will (we trust) be born shortly. Happy (pagan) New Year! Between the woods and frozen lake The darkest evening of the year. Light thickens, and the crow Makes wing to the rooky wood: Good things of day begin to droop, and drowze; While night's black agents to their preys do rouze. -- Macbeth (never read it...)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Number of the mornings at the Sun's uprising???
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG wg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: Rgveda VII 76 3 Great is, in truth, the number of the Mornings which were aforetime at the Sun's uprising. Since thou, O Dawn, hast been beheld repairing as to thy love, as one no more to leave him. Beautifulwhat does it mean!! :-) I guess according to Tilak it refers to the fact(?) that Aryans once lived in a region where morning lasted for several days, or stuff, that is, near a polar region??? Does that make any sense? :D http://tinyurl.com/y98l5zc
[FairfieldLife] Re: Number of the mornings at the Sun's uprising???
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: Rgveda VII 76 3 Great is, in truth, the number of the Mornings which were aforetime at the Sun's uprising. Since thou, O Dawn, hast been beheld repairing as to thy love, as one no more to leave him. Beautifulwhat does it mean!! :-) I guess according to Tilak it refers to the fact(?) that Aryans once lived in a region where morning lasted for several days, or stuff, that is, near a polar region??? Does that make any sense? :D http://tinyurl.com/y98l5zc Or, perhaps, rather, Dawn (the devataa uSas, below ' uá¹£aḥ'): uSasf. morning light, dawn (often personif.), also evening light; pada-paaTha of VII 76, 3: tÄni | it | ahÄni | bahulÄni | Äsan | yÄ | prÄcÄ«nam | ut-itÄ | sÅ«ryasya | yataḥ | pari | jÄraḥ-iva | ÄcarantÄ« | *uá¹£aḥ* | dadá¹ká¹£e | na | punaḥ | yatÄ«-iva // RV_7,76.3 // saMhitaa-paaTha(sp?) of the same (uSho) tAnIdahA\'ni bahu\`lAnyA\'sa\`nyA prA\`chIna\`mudi\'tA\` sUrya\'sya | yata\`H pari\' jA\`ra i\'vA\`chara\`nty**uSho**\' dadR^i\`kShe na puna\'rya\`tIva\' || 7\.076\.03
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just Been Thinking
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 waybac...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: The Sparrow was Russell's first novel. It won the Arthur C. Clarke Award, James Tiptree, Jr. Award, Kurd-Laßwitz-Preis and the British Science Fiction Association Award. But please don't think that these science fiction credentials make it lightweight on in any way a genre novel. Mary Doria Russell's favorite author is the same as mine, Dorothy Dunnett. That's a pretty awesome role model to feel that you have to live up to in your own writing. She does. I read The Sparrow years ago and loved it - and will now get Children of God and try some books by Dunnett. Children Of God finishes the story. Don't expect anything similar to Mary Doria Russell in the *content* of Dorothy Dunnett's novels...the simi- larity I'm talking about is in terms of quality of writing and depth of characterization. Dorothy wrote (primarily) historical fiction, not science fiction. The best to start with if you really want to give her a shot is probably The Game Of Kings, which is the first in a six-novel series called The Lymond Chronicles. No harm, no foul if it isn't your cuppa tea; some people like her, others don't. For those of us who do, she's a writing God. I first met Mary Doria Russell on a list of writers who got together to discuss and admire Dunnett's work. Other fairly famous writers like Guy Gavriel Kay were also in on the discussions. It was great fun. Totally different but incredibly wise and well written is Fifth Business by Robertson Davies, a Canadina Jungian writer - I am rereading it and enjoying it even more 15 years later. I'll look for it, even though I wouldn't know what a Canadina Jungian writer was if one came up and bit me on the ass. :-) Why I'll check it out is you saying that you enjoy it more on a reread. That is one of my criteria for great writing -- that it only gets better and better the more often you read it. I have read Dunnett's The Lymond Chronicles six or seven times now.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: How about a Christmas present, Rick, in the form of upping the weekly count to 100, seeing as many of us will be holidaying at home and in front of the computer a lot? How about a different form of Christmas present, and cutting down the posting limit for the two remaining chronic overposters on this forum for whom it was invented to 25. Think about it. Here is one of the people who categorically refused to cut down on the number of his posts when asked politely, saying that once again he'd like to use Fairfield Life as a spewing ground to alleviate the boredom of his life all over again. That is not a prospect that fills me with warm, fuzzy Christmasy feel- ings, and I doubt I'm alone in that. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
On Dec 22, 2009, at 4:37 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: How about a Christmas present, Rick, in the form of upping the weekly count to 100, seeing as many of us will be holidaying at home and in front of the computer a lot? How about a different form of Christmas present, and cutting down the posting limit for the two remaining chronic overposters on this forum for whom it was invented to 25. Think about it. Here is one of the people who categorically refused to cut down on the number of his posts when asked politely, saying that once again he'd like to use Fairfield Life as a spewing ground to alleviate the boredom of his life all over again. That is not a prospect that fills me with warm, fuzzy Christmasy feel- ings, and I doubt I'm alone in that. :-) I agree. If your life's that lonely, get an inflatable doll.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Swami Rama's Son comes forward with expose
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: Swami Rama's alleged son comes forth with his side of the story on Swami Rama: http://www.sonofaswami.com/ Well, brahmacarya, or whatever, seems to make sages of many cultures rather horny (female nudity): http://tinyurl.com/yewbmk6
[FairfieldLife] Sanskrit's origin
From Dr. Logananthan The Origins of Tamil - Veer Linguistics We describe below Veer Linguistics as developed by Pavanar where it is strictly ETYMOLOGICAL. In fact this was developed by way of criticism of the Etymological Dictionary of Dravidian Languages of Burrow and Emeneau where words similar in phonology and meaning were collected together by way of proving that the words listed are Dravidian and so forth. By this strategy BE missed out on many words in SK [Sanskrit] and which are in fact Dravidian in origin. In fact seen from SumeroTamil Sk is just a variant of Sumerian Elements of Veer Linguistics. As I have already mentioned, there are already book length studies of this field by Pavanar (mostly in Tamil) and I will only illustrate it very briefly here. The idea is that words have their Primordial Roots (Muula Veer) and from which by adding various consonants at the initial and post positions we have the generation of secondary roots. This can also proceed further in which case we can have tertiary roots. Thus we have a situation where higher order words are generated out of an agglutinative process. The point is that once we locate the primordial, secondary and tertiary roots of a language, we also gain a way of identifying a language and along with it a family of languages that are further developments from that language. Thus we have a set of ROOT words that go into the developments of various kinds of BRANCH languages, sharing the same set of ROOT words but perhaps differing in the way these are glued to generate novel words. Thus we have a ROOT Language as the language that contains the BASIC set of root words and forming the BASIS of a number of languages. It is on the basis of such studies that we can say that Sumerian is Archaic Tamil and that SK is a Dravidian language that has SumeroTamil as its basis. The SK language does NOT have its own roots but exploits the roots of Tamil in a different way thereby generating a language that only superficially appears different but as a matter of fact not. Now I believe that Turkic Siraiki Pali and so forth may be such languages – exploitations of the ROOT words of Archaic Tamil (= Sumerian) and hence essentially Dravidian Some example may make the point clear. From Exordium of In-Anna , we have the words u, ur, u-a etc as below: 1. nin me sar-ra u(4) –dalla-e-a ( Lady of all me’s, resplendent light) Ta. Nin mey sarva uu ( ul, oL) teLLiya ( The lady of all powers, radiating out clear light) 14. an-ne me-si-ma nin ur-ra u-a ( Endowed with me’s by An, lady mounted on a beast) Ta. aaNNee mey siiyimma Nin uur-va oo-va ( Blessed with all the powers by An himself, the lady who rides a lion) Here we have the same ‘u’ (uu) in Sumerian and Tamil : u (Ta. uu, uL, oL , oN etc) meaning ‘radiating light’. We have ur ( Ta. uur: to crawl, move; uurti: a vehicle, conveyance etc). u(to ride) (Ta oo, oovu, ooccu : to ride, drive etc) We can see that the primordial condition of uttering ‘uu’ is that of rounding the lips and fronting it by way of imitating a forward movement with the lips. Thus perhaps the word ‘uu’ originated in a primordial situation where man wanted to communicate a movement of radiating out. This also shows that it is the most primordial condition of the origin of this word and hence there cannot be a prior language from which it is borrowed. It is a fundamental root word native to Sumerian and Tamil and which leads us to identify Sumerian as Archaic Tamil Now this is further reinforced when we look at some of the secondary developments - su (Ta. suu, suur, ) mu ( Ta. muu. mun, muL etc) bu ( Ta. puu : to blossom) etc. Thus from the primordial “uu” common to Sumerian and Tamil and with the basic meaning of ‘radiating out” we have a set of secondary root words where we have the introduction of consonants by way of DIFFERENTIATING the primordial meaning of ‘uu’ To this list we can also ur ( Ta. uuru : to crawl, move etc) and from which we have Ta. uur-ti: a vehicle. In Su. ur remains in the general sense to ‘move’ and ur-ra , as that which moves meaning the mobile creatures. Now we can also see that while uu suu suur are primordial word generating processes, the changes sur sul sun etc are merely phonological but where specialized meanings are also possible. Now such phonological changes along with meaning is clear in the change of u, uu Ta. oo, oovu, ooccu etc We can go on with such studies of the word-generative process as Pavanar has done quite extensively ( suur kuur( sharp) suur tuur (distant, clear ) etc. The point of such studies is that : a. We can locate the primordial roots which show that they do not have a language prior to that from which they are borrowed. b. There are generations of secondary and tertiary roots by adding consonants to the word
[FairfieldLife] Americans Judge The Bush Decade: Awful And Not So Good
Americans Judge The Bush Decade: `Awful' And `Not So Good' [Mission Accomplished] A new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/12/21/2156876.aspx finds that Americans are entering 2010 with a negative view of the events of the past decade, which was largely marked by President Bush's tenure from 2001-2009: According to the poll, a combined 58% said the decade was either awful or not so good, 29% said it was fair, and just 12% said it was either good or great. [...] Asked what they thought had the greatest negative impact on America this past decade, 38% cited the 9/11 terrorist attacks, 23% picked the mortgage and housing crisis, 20% said the Iraq war, 11% chose the stock market crash, and 6% said Hurricane Katrina. But 37% said it lost ground on the environment, 46% said it lost ground on health and well being, 50% said it lost ground on peace and national security, 54% said lost ground on the nation's sense of unity, 55% said it lost ground in treating others with respect, 66% said it lost ground on moral values, and a whopping 74% said it lost ground on economic prosperity. Census Bureau figures http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/09/closing_the_book_on_the_bush_le\ gacy.php released in September largely support the public's pessimistic take on the last decade: On every major measurement, the Census Bureau report shows that the country lost ground during Bush's two terms. While Bush was in office, the median household income declined, poverty increased, childhood poverty increased even more, and the number of Americans without health insurance spiked. By contrast, the country's condition improved on each of those measures during Bill Clinton's two terms, often substantially. [...] Bush built his economic strategy around tax cuts, passing large reductions both in 2001 and 2003. But the bleak economic results from Bush's two terms, tarnish, to put it mildly, the idea that tax cuts represent an economic silver bullet. The poll comes as loyal Bushies are attempting to rewrite http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/26/ashcroft-texas/ the http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/02/bush-alumni-website/ former http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/16/bush-bio-iraq/ president's http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/11/bush-dynamic-texan/ legacy http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/17/cheney-iraq-al-qaeda-again/ and delude the public into believing that the country's current problems are all the fault of President Obama. Former White House adviser Karl Rove, for example, has been all over the media, issuing statements like the Bush administration has no responsibility http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/11/rove-deficits/ for current budget deficits. Bush officials have even tried to claim that they made Afghanistan a top priority http://thinkprogress.org/2009/10/15/rove-afghanistan-troops/ and that Obama is the one who has been screwing up their work http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/11/rove-deficits/ . Fox News host Sean Hannity has gone so far as to say that Bush deserved the Nobel Peace Prize http://thinkprogress.org/2009/10/14/hannity-nobel-obama/ , and Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) is claiming that the cure to the country's problems is to just give political control back to Republicans http://thinkprogress.org/2009/12/04/hatch-forgets-gop-control/ (which was true for a large part of the last decade). Historians have ranked Bush as one of the top 10 worst presidents http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/15/bush-worst-cspan/ in U.S. history and believe his legacy will most resemble http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/18/bush-hoover-nixon/ that of former presidents Richard Nixon and Herbert Hoover. Time magazine recently did a feature calling the past 10 years the decade from Hell http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1942834,00.html . http://thinkprogress.org/2009/12/21/decade-awful-bush/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
On Dec 22, 2009, at 6:18 AM, Vaj wrote: On Dec 22, 2009, at 4:37 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: How about a Christmas present, Rick, in the form of upping the weekly count to 100, seeing as many of us will be holidaying at home and in front of the computer a lot? How about a different form of Christmas present, and cutting down the posting limit for the two remaining chronic overposters on this forum for whom it was invented to 25. Think about it. Here is one of the people who categorically refused to cut down on the number of his posts when asked politely, saying that once again he'd like to use Fairfield Life as a spewing ground to alleviate the boredom of his life all over again. That is not a prospect that fills me with warm, fuzzy Christmasy feel- ings, and I doubt I'm alone in that. :-) I agree. If your life's that lonely, get an inflatable doll. LOL...and seeing as how only 2 or at the most 3 would be affected by a greater limit, it would be torture for the rest of us. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit's origin
Vaj wrote: Thus we have a ROOT Language as the language that contains the BASIC set of root words and forming the BASIS of a number of languages... So, the Sumerian speakers came out of Mesopotamia into South Asia, and taught the Dravidians Sankrit. But, in fact, we don't know where the Sumerians came from. They used cunieform on stone, I guess. Apparently the Phoenicians invented the alphabet. So, I wonder how did Sanskrit turn into Persian, Latin, and the other European languages? From what I've read, almost nobody in India could read or write Sanskrit at anytime - it's been a dead language for thousands of years. It's only around the time of Panini that Sanskrit got a grammar. Apparently the first known instance of writing in India is the Pillars of Ashoka (circa 200 BC), and none of them have Sanskrit inscriptions.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit's origin
On Dec 22, 2009, at 10:13 AM, WillyTex wrote: Vaj wrote: Thus we have a ROOT Language as the language that contains the BASIC set of root words and forming the BASIS of a number of languages... So, the Sumerian speakers came out of Mesopotamia into South Asia, and taught the Dravidians Sankrit. No, it developed as proto-Tamil, which was borrowed from (perfected) to form Sanskrit.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Swami Rama's Son comes forward with expose
Vaj wrote: Swami Rama's alleged son comes forth with his side of the story on Swami Rama... Swami Rama was your guru, right, and the Krishnamurti? And then the Marshy, the Trungpa Tulku, Kalu and Sogyal, and then the Shakaracharya of Kanchi?
[FairfieldLife] Buddhist learn real meditation
Thai and Japanese Buddhists have already initiated crowds of monks into real meditation. Global Family Chats December 21st http://streaming.mou.org/MOU/Chat/21_dec_09.wmv Japan: An education conference was held in 4 cities. The 300 attendees immediately went to work and now many schools are now starting TM; The first MAV training course for doctors was run by Dr Moelk; The Maharishi Youth Foundation was established in Japan and Hamsa (Hungary). They meet once a week for fun events, and will be the furure leaders of Invincible Japan; An Invincible Japan Assembly has been started; Maharishi Light Therapy with Gems has been a great success with over 1000 treatments in the first few months; Expansion campaigns have increased initiations 2.5 times; $675,000 has been raised through the issue of World Peace Bonds. Hamsa (Hungary): The land is being cleared for a Vedic Medical College on an island in the Danube; 300 Students have learned TM in a university. They are having beautiful experiences of Unity, and next year they will have SCI and then TTC will be offered to create the teachers needed for implementing TM in schools; The 40 teachers and staff at a school have learned TM, and the students and more schools are to follow; The MAV Training Course for doctors was offered by Dr Moelk; A Maharishi Spa has opened and two Hungarians are now offering Maharishi Light Therapy with Gems; The Director of Communication has translated over 100 hours of course material. In Uzbekistan two recently graduated Governors are teaching people to meditate and formally registering the Movement. In Egypt the visit of Dr Ashley Deans stirred tremendous interest in TM and Consciousness-Based Education. Approval has been received from all required government ministries for a large University of World Peace to go ahead on 2,000 acres, where it is planned to have 3,000 students for invincibility. A company, Gift of the Nile Organics, has been established to trade in organic produce from Egypt. http://www.maharishichannel.in/archives/gfc-archive.html http://www.maharishichannel.in/archives/gfc-archive.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit's origin
Thus we have a ROOT Language as the language that contains the BASIC set of root words and forming the BASIS of a number of languages... So, the Sumerian speakers came out of Mesopotamia into South Asia, and taught the Dravidians Sankrit. Vaj wrote: No, it developed as proto-Tamil, which was borrowed from (perfected) to form Sanskrit. Sorry, you're just not making any sense, Vaj. The Sumerians, wherever they came from, died out long before the Caucasians entered Iran bringing with them Sanskrit. Sumerian was a dead language before the invention of the alphabet.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Swami Rama's Son comes forward with expose
On Dec 22, 2009, at 10:33 AM, WillyTex wrote: Vaj wrote: Swami Rama's alleged son comes forth with his side of the story on Swami Rama... Swami Rama was your guru, right, and the Krishnamurti? And then the Marshy, the Trungpa Tulku, Kalu and Sogyal, and then the Shakaracharya of Kanchi? No, sorry, wrong on all counts.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
How about a Christmas present, Rick, in the form of upping the weekly count to 100, seeing as many of us will be holidaying at home and in front of the computer a lot? TurquoiseB wrote: How about a different form of Christmas present, and cutting down the posting limit... Why not just stop getting FFL messages as email? That way, the only time you'd be reading the messages on FFL is when you were so bored that you logged on to Yahoo! to find something to do. Go to a cafe or something and watch Spanish TV. But, for Gawd's sake leave us alone for just a few hours!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit's origin
On Dec 22, 2009, at 10:38 AM, WillyTex wrote: Thus we have a ROOT Language as the language that contains the BASIC set of root words and forming the BASIS of a number of languages... So, the Sumerian speakers came out of Mesopotamia into South Asia, and taught the Dravidians Sankrit. Vaj wrote: No, it developed as proto-Tamil, which was borrowed from (perfected) to form Sanskrit. Sorry, you're just not making any sense, Vaj. The Sumerians, wherever they came from, died out long before the Caucasians entered Iran bringing with them Sanskrit. Sumerian was a dead language before the invention of the alphabet. It is believed they used the well known annual monsoons and an ocean route.
[FairfieldLife] AVATAR
Reading the reviews of AVATAR on this forum since Friday have made me wonder. Wonder whether all the hype was a hype. Wonder whether the film that cost $230,000,000 and took 15 years to make and that has been touted as the film that will change filmmaking forever was just shuck 'n jive. But more, wonder whether posters here have to some extent lost their ability to experience wonder. It's the latter. AVATAR is a wonder. Every penny of that $230,000,000 is up on screen. There has simply never been a visual experience projected onto theater screens that is in the same ballpark as this one. And not only is it vision to behold, it's visionary. Yes, it references and draws some of its inspiration from great science fiction and fantasy of the past. But at risk of sounding like Jerry Seinfeld, Not that that's a bad thing. If you're shooting for the best, steal from the best. And Cameron did. One can see images and ideas stolen from Anne McCaffery here, and Tolkien, and especially Ursula Le Guin. But there is a great deal of original thought and vision, too. To reduce this film to an elevator pitch of Star Wars meets Dances With Wolves so far misses the mark that it's ludicrous. To reduce the plotline to Boy starts off on an adventure, faces dangers, grows to manhood and becomes the hero he was always meant to be, and saves the world is no more insulting when aimed at AVATAR than it would be aimed at The Lord Of The Rings, or Beowulf, or any great myth in history. But if you're not into great myth, see the film just for the visuals. If there are not scenes in this film so beautiful that they bring tears to your eyes, you really have lost your ability to experience wonder.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Swami Rama's Son comes forward with expose
Swami Rama's alleged son comes forth with his side of the story on Swami Rama... ...the Trungpa Tulku Vaj wrote: No, sorry, wrong on all counts. Maybe you got the name 'Vajradhatu' from someone else. You sound a lot like him sometimes. What's up with that? Vajradhatu was the name of the umbrella organization of Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche, one of the first Tibetan Buddhist lamas to visit and teach in the West... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vajradhatu
Re: [FairfieldLife] AVATAR
On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:00 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: But if you're not into great myth, see the film just for the visuals. If there are not scenes in this film so beautiful that they bring tears to your eyes, you really have lost your ability to experience wonder. I rarely would go to see a movie twice, but I will go see this one again and take someone with me. It really truly defines a new film genre. And I was pleasantly surprised to see the ray-traced aliens actually looked BETTER on film, than in the pictures I'd seen all over the web. Much of it is simply breathtaking--esp. if you ever liked the art of Roger Dean.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit's origin
The Sumerians, wherever they came from, died out long before the Caucasians entered Iran bringing with them Sanskrit. Vaj wrote: It is believed they used the well known annual monsoons and an ocean route. So, the Dravidians went to Mesopotamia by sea? Or, do you mean the Sumerians went to South Asia by sea? I wonder how Sanskrit got to Europe and Scandinavia? Frawley thinks it came out of India.
[FairfieldLife] Re: AVATAR
But if you're not into great myth, see the film just for the visuals. If there are not scenes in this film so beautiful that they bring tears to your eyes, you really have lost your ability to experience wonder. Vaj wrote: I rarely would go to see a movie twice, but I will go see this one again and take someone with me. It would be interesting to take a video camera with you to the theater - not to video the movie - but to video your own facial expressions, to watch at home later.
[FairfieldLife] Re: AVATAR
TurquoiseB wrote: Reading the reviews of AVATAR on this forum since Friday have made me wonder. Hey, I thought you said you rarely read reviews! Wonder whether all the hype was a hype. Wonder whether the film that cost $230,000,000 and took 15 years to make and that has been touted as the film that will change filmmaking forever was just shuck 'n jive. But more, wonder whether posters here have to some extent lost their ability to experience wonder. It's the latter. AVATAR is a wonder. Every penny of that $230,000,000 is up on screen. There has simply never been a visual experience projected onto theater screens that is in the same ballpark as this one. And not only is it vision to behold, it's visionary. Yes, it references and draws some of its inspiration from great science fiction and fantasy of the past. But at risk of sounding like Jerry Seinfeld, Not that that's a bad thing. If you're shooting for the best, steal from the best. And Cameron did. One can see images and ideas stolen from Anne McCaffery here, and Tolkien, and especially Ursula Le Guin. But there is a great deal of original thought and vision, too. To reduce this film to an elevator pitch of Star Wars meets Dances With Wolves so far misses the mark that it's ludicrous. To reduce the plotline to Boy starts off on an adventure, faces dangers, grows to manhood and becomes the hero he was always meant to be, and saves the world is no more insulting when aimed at AVATAR than it would be aimed at The Lord Of The Rings, or Beowulf, or any great myth in history. But if you're not into great myth, see the film just for the visuals. If there are not scenes in this film so beautiful that they bring tears to your eyes, you really have lost your ability to experience wonder.
[FairfieldLife] Re: AVATAR
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:00 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: But if you're not into great myth, see the film just for the visuals. If there are not scenes in this film so beautiful that they bring tears to your eyes, you really have lost your ability to experience wonder. I rarely would go to see a movie twice, but I will go see this one again and take someone with me. I'll see it several times. Now that I've seen it in English and know the dialog, I'll see it in Spanish just to watch it on a big screen. Then, when it finally comes to the IMAX theatre in Barcelona, I'll see it again there to see it in 3D. Probably multiple times. It really truly defines a new film genre. And I was pleasantly surprised to see the ray-traced aliens actually looked BETTER on film, than in the pictures I'd seen all over the web. My feelings exactly. It's almost as if they released low-res versions of things so that you'd be surprised when you saw the real thing. Much of it is simply breathtaking--esp. if you ever liked the art of Roger Dean. Breathtaking is the right word. The dragon sequences were beyond amazing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: AVATAR
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Reading the reviews of AVATAR on this forum since Friday have made me wonder. Wonder whether all the hype was a hype. Wonder whether the film that cost $230,000,000 and took 15 years to make and that has been touted as the film that will change filmmaking forever was just shuck 'n jive. But more, wonder whether posters here have to some extent lost their ability to experience wonder. Notice that Barry is constitutionally incapable of simply saying he loved the film; he has to put down those who didn't as well, or he somehow wouldn't feel complete. He has to make it clear that he's a *better person* than they are because they didn't think it was as great as he did. And he's not even aware that this is his consistent pattern.
[FairfieldLife] Re: AVATAR
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: [snip] If you're shooting for the best, steal from the best. And Cameron did. [snip] Quentin Tarantino, of course, made stealing ideas, scenes, plots and dialogue snippets from other movies an art form...and he announced that he was doing it loudly and clearly. Stealing of course only works when done properly; then it is both art and homage. When it's done improperly, it's neither art nor homage, just plain stealing. And it is the latter that came to mind this past week-end when I finally saw the supposed cult movie Boondock Saints by Troy Duffy. Here's who Duffy stole from: Pulp Fiction, Platoon, Silence of the Lambs, Blue Velvet, Kill Bill, the Godfather, and, yes, even Seinfeld. But it was horribly cliche-ish and badly done. As for Avatar -- which I haven't seen yet -- I am incredibly excited just reading the box office tallies as reported in places like boxofficemojo.com . Other than the fact that Cameron has already had a Cinderella story with Titanic I would use that phrase to describe what is going on with Avatar. It is very exciting to see one's vision come to fruition as it is with Cameron and, at the same time, see it reflected in Box Office. Sometimes financial success and true art DO mix and perhaps this is an instance in which it does. I was not a big fan of Titanic although I have liked previous movies that Cameron has done. But as Barry explains -- and pretty much every critic who I've seen or read also says -- this is something special. So it is really nice to see the payoff now for Cameron after risking so much money for his vision. It is the same way I felt for Mel Gibson when he made Passion of the Christ, a movie I've never seen and probably won't (I'm not into homoerotic dei-icide snuff films as I think Christopher Hitchens called it). Gibson was rejected by every studio so he put his own money into it and ended up making northwards of $200 million.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Barry re Dexter
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 6:48 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Barry re Dexter On Dec 21, 2009, at 3:11 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: I presume you finished watching it. What did you think of the ending? Sets up whole new possibilities for the future. Esp. considering Trinity's family is going to eventually figure out that Kyle is Dexter. And Deb is suspicious, having discovered Dexter's background and wondering how he showed up at Trinity's house before all the other cops.
[FairfieldLife] $3 billion prediction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: [snip] I'll see it several times. Now that I've seen it in English and know the dialog, I'll see it in Spanish just to watch it on a big screen. Then, when it finally comes to the IMAX theatre in Barcelona, I'll see it again there to see it in 3D. Probably multiple times. [snip] One of the reasons Titanic made the nearly $2 billion in worldwide box office is that teenage girls went to see it multiple times. Same thing of course for virtually all the Star War films with Sci-Fi geeks. It's pretty obvious that Avatar is shaping up as the same sort of phenomenon with the following difference: the repeat demographic is probably, for the first time in cinematic history, going to be ACROSS THE BOARD. That is, EVERYONE regardless of age and gender is going to go see this thing more than once. PREDICTION: Avatar will not only gross $3 billion in worldwide box office it will do it faster than the previous box office winner in real dollars -- Titanic -- did it getting to $2 billion and faster than the all-time winner in adjusted for inflation dollars -- Gone with the wind -- did it getting to its total.
[FairfieldLife] Re: AVATAR
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: It really truly defines a new film genre. It'll be interesting to see what Cameron thinks of the response to the film. He can't be displeased with the box office (highest ever for a non-franchise, non-sequel original film), but my bet is he's watch- ing to see what the inner response to the film is. He spoke in pre-release promotional engagements about his hopes that the film would affect audiences at a somewhat deeper level than your everyday SciFi shoot- em-up-adventure movie. From Wikipedia: At Comic Con 2009, Cameron told attendees that he wanted to make something that has this spoonful of sugar of all the action and the adventure and all that. He wanted this to thrill him as a fan but also have a conscience that maybe in the enjoying of it makes you think a little bit about the way you interact with nature and your fellow man. He added that the Na'vi represent something that is our higher selves, or our aspirational selves, what we would like to think we are and that even though there are good humans within the film, the humans represent what we know to be the parts of ourselves that are trashing our world and maybe condemning ourselves to a grim future. There is much to be discussed about this film. My bet is that we will find little of that discussion here. Instead, people who have seen the film -- and at least one who has not and probably never will because it now has Barry's official seal of approval on it :-) -- will steer discussions of AVATAR to the low ground. They'll use it to fight or perpetuate petty ego battles or political/environmental battles, or just rag on it because it's popular. Meanwhile, Cameron will be off making the two sequels to the film, probably wondering whether his deeper message about this alien planet will be as lost on the viewers of those films as the deeper message of our own planet was lost on the delegates in Copenhagen. All I can say is that it's a banner day when a new science fiction film pushes its way into my Top Five SciFi Films Ever Made List. Especially when the same director already had two other films on the list, and still does.
Re: [FairfieldLife] $3 billion prediction
On Dec 22, 2009, at 12:18 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: [snip] I'll see it several times. Now that I've seen it in English and know the dialog, I'll see it in Spanish just to watch it on a big screen. Then, when it finally comes to the IMAX theatre in Barcelona, I'll see it again there to see it in 3D. Probably multiple times. [snip] One of the reasons Titanic made the nearly $2 billion in worldwide box office is that teenage girls went to see it multiple times. Same thing of course for virtually all the Star War films with Sci- Fi geeks. It's pretty obvious that Avatar is shaping up as the same sort of phenomenon with the following difference: the repeat demographic is probably, for the first time in cinematic history, going to be ACROSS THE BOARD. That is, EVERYONE regardless of age and gender is going to go see this thing more than once. PREDICTION: Avatar will not only gross $3 billion in worldwide box office it will do it faster than the previous box office winner in real dollars -- Titanic -- did it getting to $2 billion and faster than the all-time winner in adjusted for inflation dollars -- Gone with the wind -- did it getting to its total. And since the home 3D spec for Blueray is just out, what do you want to bet will be the first huge home 3D TV best seller? It's perfect timing. We could see 3D TV's and 3D Blueray players being THE big thing next Christmas.
[FairfieldLife] Re: To Barry re Dexter
I presume you finished watching it. What did you think of the ending? Sets up whole new possibilities for the future. Esp. considering Trinity's family is going to eventually figure out that Kyle is Dexter. And Deb is suspicious, having discovered Dexter's background and wondering how he showed up at Trinity's house before all the other cops. All of those things are possible, although so predictable I for one hope they don't go there. Where I see the interest lying is in what effect this has on Dexter Morgan the person. He could go any number of ways after this. That's what Michael C. Hall talked about in an interview after the final episode. He's interested in where it takes Dexter, and of co-discovering it with him. As Executive Producer of the show, he can bail and end the series any time he wants. He's looking forward to this next season, so I suspect it'll take us all to some very interesting places.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dollhouse -- Is Echo the most feminist character ever on TV or in movies?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfiend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: So, as a followup, I've named in this post a few of my favorite feminist characters in film and television. What are yours? Peg Bundy from the TV series Married With Children. Definately. Very spiritual. The series was once referred to by a critic as Mankind's Finest Achievement. Hey, az, we actually have something in common. BTW, I'm also a Pfeffernüsse fan. Married with Children (at least the first few seasons) is one of my all-time favorite shows. I thought Kelly Bundy was the best character, though. Christina Applegate should have gotten an Emmy. So Kelly made your putter flutter. Interesting. I won't be drawn into one of your nitpick contests over which was the better character and actress. Both were excellent and the show,while also making biting social commentary, made me laugh till I cried.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Which states are happiest?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: California and New Jersey scored #46 and #47 respectively. Do we see any correlation with the happiness quotient demonstrated by FFL posters from these states? So, it's all about Judy. 47. New Jersey 48. Indiana 49. Michigan 50. Connecticut 51. New York Willy, don't you just *hate* happy people?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp, sell your house!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: nablusoss1008 wrote: If you couldn't stand some noise during meditation, plain food or a leaking sink you are not fit to become a TM-teacher. There was a guy on a CCP back in the early seventies that got kicked off the course because he couldn't resist going across the street to get chocolate ice cream before he went to sleep, Can you believe that, nabby? He had to have ice some cream! Don't you just *hate* those ice cream eating sidhas?
[FairfieldLife] Re: $3 billion prediction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Dec 22, 2009, at 12:18 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: [snip] I'll see it several times. Now that I've seen it in English and know the dialog, I'll see it in Spanish just to watch it on a big screen. Then, when it finally comes to the IMAX theatre in Barcelona, I'll see it again there to see it in 3D. Probably multiple times. [snip] One of the reasons Titanic made the nearly $2 billion in worldwide box office is that teenage girls went to see it multiple times. Same thing of course for virtually all the Star War films with Sci- Fi geeks. It's pretty obvious that Avatar is shaping up as the same sort of phenomenon with the following difference: the repeat demographic is probably, for the first time in cinematic history, going to be ACROSS THE BOARD. That is, EVERYONE regardless of age and gender is going to go see this thing more than once. PREDICTION: Avatar will not only gross $3 billion in worldwide box office it will do it faster than the previous box office winner in real dollars -- Titanic -- did it getting to $2 billion and faster than the all-time winner in adjusted for inflation dollars -- Gone with the wind -- did it getting to its total. And since the home 3D spec for Blueray is just out, what do you want to bet will be the first huge home 3D TV best seller? It's perfect timing. We could see 3D TV's and 3D Blueray players being THE big thing next Christmas. On average, theatre box office represents only about 23% of total revenue for a studio from its movies. Other sources of revenue for a movie are: pay-TV, cable TV, network TV, DVDs, and merchandising. This percentage differs of course from one movie to the next so the 23% figure may not apply to Avatar and its theatrical release box office may be the largest percentage of its total revenue. But who knows? Maybe it will be the smallest percentage! But just imagine what it may do not only for the sale of Blueray DVDs of the movie itself but, as Vaj points out, of Blueray players and 3D TVs. The bloody movie may be responsible for revenues that will exceed several third world countries (and I'm actually serious!)
[FairfieldLife] Chutzpah
A little old lady sold pretzels on a street corner for 25 cents each. Every day a young man would leave his office building at lunch time and as he passed the pretzel stand he would leave her a quarter, but never take a pretzel. And this went on for more then 3 years. The two of them never spoke. One day as the young man passed the old lady's stand and left his quarter as usual, the pretzel lady spoke to him. Without blinking an eye she said: They're 35 cents now.
[FairfieldLife] Re: AVATAR
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip There is much to be discussed about this film. My bet is that we will find little of that discussion here. Instead, people who have seen the film -- and at least one who has not and probably never will because it now has Barry's official seal of approval on it :-) -- will steer discussions of AVATAR to the low ground. No need. Barry's already done that, and he just did it again.
[FairfieldLife] Fuck Kumbayah
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: [snip] At Comic Con 2009, Cameron told attendees that he wanted to make something that has this spoonful of sugar of all the action and the adventure and all that. He wanted this to thrill him as a fan but also have a conscience that maybe in the enjoying of it makes you think a little bit about the way you interact with nature and your fellow man. He added that the Na'vi represent something that is our higher selves, or our aspirational selves, what we would like to think we are and that even though there are good humans within the film, the humans represent what we know to be the parts of ourselves that are trashing our world and maybe condemning ourselves to a grim future. [snip] Fuck Kumbayah and the horse it rode in on. The myth of the Noble Savage at one with nature is just that: a myth. Certainly at least as far as the native peoples of North America are concerned. In addition to practising slavery (some tribes) and living the ideal of Darwinism and Social Darwinism (survival of the fittest taken to the Nth degree), North American aboriginals were far from the caring environmentalists and stewards of the flora and fauna that Hollywood and liberals make them out to be. For example, if a plains Indian wanted to munch on some buffalo meat, he didn't think twice about directing a herd of, say, 1,000 bison off a cliff just so he could get a thigh or a leg off of one to bring home for a snack. Want some land to live off of? Why, simply torch a few thousand acres of forest so you can have the convenience of 200 square feet to pitch your teepee. Remember that crying Indian in those public service environmental commercials from the '60s and '70s? Well, the myth of the one-with-nature Indian was as fake as the Indian who appeared in those commercials: he turned out to be an Italian-American from Brooklyn.
[FairfieldLife] Jimmy Page....or a FFL member?
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30762401id=1315545758op=1view=\ globalsubj=672990734 Compare the above photo of a certain FFL member with a young Jimmy Page from the following youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTO7WVxjz3A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTO7WVxjz3A Have you ever seen them in the same room together?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Jimmy Page....or a FFL member?
I just bought the documentary It Might Get Loud (excellent BTW) which delves in the creative process of three guitarists, one of the them Jimmy Page. The movie contains vintage photos and footage of Page as a youngster, and this person below looks nothing like him. On Dec 22, 2009, at 1:31 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote: Compare the above photo of a certain FFL member with a young Jimmy Page from the following youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTO7WVxjz3A Have you ever seen them in the same room together?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jimmy Page....or a FFL member?
The summer of 1967 my band opened for the Yardbirds at a concert in Richmond, BC (just outside Vancouver). Jeff Beck had just left the Yardbirds and they had a new guitarist, Jimmy Page. Of course the Jimmy Page of today looks nothing like the skinny young kid I remember from back them. :-D ShempMcGurk wrote: Spoilsport. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: I just bought the documentary It Might Get Loud (excellent BTW) which delves in the creative process of three guitarists, one of the them Jimmy Page. The movie contains vintage photos and footage of Page as a youngster, and this person below looks nothing like him. On Dec 22, 2009, at 1:31 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote: Compare the above photo of a certain FFL member with a young Jimmy Page from the following youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTO7WVxjz3A Have you ever seen them in the same room together?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jimmy Page....or a FFL member?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: The summer of 1967 my band opened for the Yardbirds at a concert in Richmond, BC (just outside Vancouver). Jeff Beck had just left the Yardbirds and they had a new guitarist, Jimmy Page. Of course the Jimmy Page of today looks nothing like the skinny young kid I remember from back them. :-D What was your impression of him as a musician?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jimmy Page....or a FFL member?
PaliGap wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: The summer of 1967 my band opened for the Yardbirds at a concert in Richmond, BC (just outside Vancouver). Jeff Beck had just left the Yardbirds and they had a new guitarist, Jimmy Page. Of course the Jimmy Page of today looks nothing like the skinny young kid I remember from back them. :-D What was your impression of him as a musician? I didn't pay much attention to the rock players other than the musical devices they came up with. Many, like myself, had more extensive backgrounds in music (jazz and classical) but were just having some fun with the music and hoping to have a hit to make a bunch of money. Page was shy and we chatted mostly with the lead singer.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Which states are happiest?
California and New Jersey scored #46 and #47 respectively. Do we see any correlation with the happiness quotient demonstrated by FFL posters from these states? So, it's all about Judy. 47. New Jersey 48. Indiana 49. Michigan 50. Connecticut 51. New York azgrey wrote: Willy, don't you just *hate* happy people? So, now it's all about Willy?
Re: [FairfieldLife] AVATAR
watched Avatar... disapointed... looks like New Age John Wayne in psyihodelic environment...
Re: [FairfieldLife] AVATAR
On Dec 22, 2009, at 3:01 PM, Zoran Krneta wrote: watched Avatar... disapointed... looks like New Age John Wayne in psyihodelic environment... lol--gotta admit, this is funny. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: X-Democrat and Doctor blasts health care reform!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG wg...@... wrote: http://www.politico.com/singletitlevideo.html?bcpid=1155201977bctid=585\ 76111001 Link bad, you can see it here: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30896.html
[FairfieldLife] Across the universe performed by Laibach
This is Slovenian experimental music group, Laibach, performing The Beatles song 'Across the universe' with a very peculiar video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q5mlb3Bjzs
Re: [FairfieldLife] AVATAR
On Dec 22, 2009, at 4:01 PM, Zoran Krneta wrote: watched Avatar... disapointed... looks like New Age John Wayne in psyihodelic environment... Aren't you in India Zoran? Where did you see it at?
[FairfieldLife] Re: $3 billion prediction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: [snip] I'll see it several times. Now that I've seen it in English and know the dialog, I'll see it in Spanish just to watch it on a big screen. Then, when it finally comes to the IMAX theatre in Barcelona, I'll see it again there to see it in 3D. Probably multiple times. [snip] One of the reasons Titanic made the nearly $2 billion in worldwide box office is that teenage girls went to see it multiple times. I heard of one woman that saw it 25 times ! ! No kidding. It's pretty obvious that Avatar is shaping up as the same sort of phenomenon with the following difference: the repeat demographic is probably, for the first time in cinematic history, going to be ACROSS THE BOARD. That is, EVERYONE regardless of age and gender is going to go see this thing more than once. So is there a hot new chic or dude in it? If not, why do you think people will watch it 10 times or more? (I haven't seen it, its not my cup of tea, seems more targeted at the lowest common denominator in society ;-) A socialist equality for Ja Ja Binks et al, it sounds like - not usually your kind of politics Shemp? PREDICTION: Avatar will not only gross $3 billion in worldwide box office it will do it faster than the previous box office winner in real dollars -- Titanic -- did it getting to $2 billion and faster than the all-time winner in adjusted for inflation dollars -- Gone with the wind -- did it getting to its total. How much is 2 billion dollars in todays money 10-12 years later? OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
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[FairfieldLife] Re: AVATAR
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Reading the reviews of AVATAR on this forum since Friday have made me wonder. Wonder whether all the hype was a hype. Wonder whether the film that cost $230,000,000 and took 15 years to make and that has been touted as the film that will change filmmaking forever was just shuck 'n jive. But more, wonder whether posters here have to some extent lost their ability to experience wonder. Notice that Barry is constitutionally incapable of simply saying he loved the film; he has to put down those who didn't as well, or he somehow wouldn't feel complete. He has to make it clear that he's a *better person* than they are because they didn't think it was as great as he did. I know, its like a religious fundamentalism before anyone says anything -- Turq sounds like Bill O'Reilly or the Taliban. Knowing Cameron and his movies it will be pure sentimental indulgence, but I will see the movie though, since often when I go in knowing I am going to likely dis-like a movie, I usually end up liking it for mild entertainment reasons. OffWorld And he's not even aware that this is his consistent pattern.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit's origin
How come you don't put a link or a date on this. This sounds dated. What does the cardemeister think? OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: From Dr. Logananthan The Origins of Tamil - Veer Linguistics We describe below Veer Linguistics as developed by Pavanar where it is strictly ETYMOLOGICAL. In fact this was developed by way of criticism of the Etymological Dictionary of Dravidian Languages of Burrow and Emeneau where words similar in phonology and meaning were collected together by way of proving that the words listed are Dravidian and so forth. By this strategy BE missed out on many words in SK [Sanskrit] and which are in fact Dravidian in origin. In fact seen from SumeroTamil Sk is just a variant of Sumerian Elements of Veer Linguistics. As I have already mentioned, there are already book length studies of this field by Pavanar (mostly in Tamil) and I will only illustrate it very briefly here. The idea is that words have their Primordial Roots (Muula Veer) and from which by adding various consonants at the initial and post positions we have the generation of secondary roots. This can also proceed further in which case we can have tertiary roots. Thus we have a situation where higher order words are generated out of an agglutinative process. The point is that once we locate the primordial, secondary and tertiary roots of a language, we also gain a way of identifying a language and along with it a family of languages that are further developments from that language. Thus we have a set of ROOT words that go into the developments of various kinds of BRANCH languages, sharing the same set of ROOT words but perhaps differing in the way these are glued to generate novel words. Thus we have a ROOT Language as the language that contains the BASIC set of root words and forming the BASIS of a number of languages. It is on the basis of such studies that we can say that Sumerian is Archaic Tamil and that SK is a Dravidian language that has SumeroTamil as its basis. The SK language does NOT have its own roots but exploits the roots of Tamil in a different way thereby generating a language that only superficially appears different but as a matter of fact not. Now I believe that Turkic Siraiki Pali and so forth may be such languages exploitations of the ROOT words of Archaic Tamil (= Sumerian) and hence essentially Dravidian Some example may make the point clear. From Exordium of In-Anna , we have the words u, ur, u-a etc as below: 1. nin me sar-ra u(4) dalla-e-a ( Lady of all me's, resplendent light) Ta. Nin mey sarva uu ( ul, oL) teLLiya ( The lady of all powers, radiating out clear light) 14. an-ne me-si-ma nin ur-ra u-a ( Endowed with me's by An, lady mounted on a beast) Ta. aaNNee mey siiyimma Nin uur-va oo-va ( Blessed with all the powers by An himself, the lady who rides a lion) Here we have the same `u' (uu) in Sumerian and Tamil : u (Ta. uu, uL, oL , oN etc) meaning `radiating light'. We have ur ( Ta. uur: to crawl, move; uurti: a vehicle, conveyance etc). u(to ride) (Ta oo, oovu, ooccu : to ride, drive etc) We can see that the primordial condition of uttering `uu' is that of rounding the lips and fronting it by way of imitating a forward movement with the lips. Thus perhaps the word `uu' originated in a primordial situation where man wanted to communicate a movement of radiating out. This also shows that it is the most primordial condition of the origin of this word and hence there cannot be a prior language from which it is borrowed. It is a fundamental root word native to Sumerian and Tamil and which leads us to identify Sumerian as Archaic Tamil Now this is further reinforced when we look at some of the secondary developments - su (Ta. suu, suur, ) mu ( Ta. muu. mun, muL etc) bu ( Ta. puu : to blossom) etc. Thus from the primordial uu common to Sumerian and Tamil and with the basic meaning of `radiating out we have a set of secondary root words where we have the introduction of consonants by way of DIFFERENTIATING the primordial meaning of `uu' To this list we can also ur ( Ta. uuru : to crawl, move etc) and from which we have Ta. uur-ti: a vehicle. In Su. ur remains in the general sense to `move' and ur-ra , as that which moves meaning the mobile creatures. Now we can also see that while uu suu suur are primordial word generating processes, the changes sur sul sun etc are merely phonological but where specialized meanings are also possible. Now such phonological changes along with meaning is clear in the change of u, uu Ta. oo, oovu, ooccu etc We can go on with such studies of the word-generative process as Pavanar has done quite extensively ( suur kuur( sharp) suur tuur (distant, clear ) etc. The point of such studies is that : a. We can locate the primordial roots which show that they do not have a language prior to that from which
[FairfieldLife] Re: 1957
1967 Maharishi's Year of Unity Consciousness Maharishi explains experiences of Transcendental Meditation in terms of Unity Consciousness. Maharishi inaugurates the first European Meditation Academy in Bremen, Germany 1966 Maharishi's Year of Academy of Meditation In the year of the great Kumbha Mela in Allahabad, India, Maharishi inaugurates the first International Academy of Meditation, Shankaracharya Nagar, Rishikesh, India, with the second International Transcendental Meditation Teacher Training Course. 1965 Maharishi's Year of Bhagavad-Gita Maharishi explains expereiences of Transcendental Meditation in terms of the principle of action: Nishkama karma yog, yogastah kuru karmani; Established in Unity, perform action -Bhagavad-Gita II 45, and completes his commentary on the Bhagavad-Gita. 1964 Maharishi's Year of God Consciousness Maharishi explains experiences of Transcendental Meditation in terms of the most refined state of Cosmic Consciousness -God Consciousness. 1963 Maharishi's Year of the Science of Being and Art of Living Maharishi presents a profound and practical philosophy of living for the modern scientific age. 1962 Maharishi's Year of Theory of the Absolute Maharishi brings to light the Theory of the Absolute and trains hundreds of Meditation Guides to help bring the direct experience of the absolute to people everywhere. 1961 Maharishi's Year of Teacher Training. Maharishi's inspiration to multiply himself by training teachers of Transcendental Meditation: the first international course is held in Rishikesh, India. 1960 Maharishi's Year of Cosmic Consciousness. Maharishi explains experiences of Transcendental Meditation in terms of Cosmic Consciousness. In London, Maharishi inaugurates his First Three Year Plan to spiritually regenerate the world. 1959 Maharishi's Year of Global Awakening Maharishi starts to teach Transcendental Meditation around the world. 1958 Maharishi's Year of Spiritual Regeneration Movement. Inspired to raise the quality of life in the world through the practice of Transcendental Meditation, Maharishi inaugurates the Spiritual Regeneration Movement to spiritually regenerate mankind. 1957 Maharishi's Year of Transcendental Meditation Maharishi evolves a simple, natural practice for the mind to come to a balanced state, and thereby gain the ability to spontaneously function in accord with all the laws of nature. This was the year of revival of Yog, philosophy and practice; this was the year of revival of Vedic wisdom for perfection in life.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 30th Anniversary Celebrations!
10 years ago Rick writing: I'd love to see a public announcement like the following from the Department of the Development of Consciousness (the people who give out the badges): Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors, First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built. Jai Guru Dev, The Department of the Development of Consciousness http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/7 16 years ago Bevan returned to Fairfield around July 1st and stayed through the start of the Guru Purnima course. During his visit, he methodically worked his way through MIU faculty, students, and staff, and the TSR community declaring to each group: 1) That our friends and neighbors who were on the various working groups created by Keith's initiative to address improvements in the community were 'enemies of the movement', 2) asserted the party line that all the issues had been taken care of, 3a) asserted that the movement is for those who have faith and belief in Maharishi (rebuffing the old premise for participation, that anyone who could think could meditate and supplanting his new doctrine of faith!) and 3b) Encouraged the non-believers to leave, 4) Raised the dome fees to $100 @ month, 5) Locked out of that Guru Purnima celebration, with no prior notice, scores of loyal long-time governors and sidhas, 6) Reaffirmed the old guard of the President's Office, and 7) abruptly leaves town. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/15 Yeah, they did take a turn down a bad road from then. Don't seem to have got turned round right yet today. Was tragic turn of events and seems still is. 30 years ago In the summer of 1979 almost 3000 people gathered for the very first World Peace Assembly in the United States at Amherst, Massachusetts. It was during this historic WPA that Maharishi asked all the Governors and Sidhas to move their families and businesses to Fairfield, Iowa to set up the first Creating Coherence community -- a permanent group to create coherence for the whole nation. 16 years ago. Today we have hundreds and hundreds of meditators/Sidhas...long time meditators who are living here in the TSR community who have, in effect, been spurned by the leadership of your office. Today you have hundreds of practising Sidhas carrying on their lives here in Fairfield with little reason, other than your apparent spite, to have contact with you or the movement. Incredible! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/15 10 years ago. We each have old time movement friends whose badges have recently been lifted or who were recently denied registration. We all know people and there is an anguish that goes on because of the tyranny of the situation here. We know our friends' stories and we know their lives. These are our friends and neighbors here. These are long time movement people. There is a lot of needless intolerance and rigidity on the part of what is left of the movement. Rick makes a good point. There is anger and disillusion that others are being treated this way. Just since Sept. 11th, we all know people who have been denied access for their hair being too long, beards being too long, having studied jyotish or some other franchised thing the movement markets, or for having visited other saints. I can think of ten friends right now. These are just people in my circle of friends. Everyone has their circle of friends they could think of too. I was told of a person today who had come from the West Coast specifically to be in the Dome and who was denied access because he had a beard. Neither the teaching nor the program is going to fall because of these guys but the feeling about the bad administration and bad policy is bringing about the downfall of our movement in the aggregate. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/419 5 years ago. the questioning was one guy practically pointing out that he came to FF for the group meditations that had 2,000 people then, and now just a small number. The status quo was all that was offered by Keith Wallace and
[FairfieldLife] Oneness (Deeksha) organization changes
It's now possible to become a Oneness Deeksha giver (in the tradition of Bhagavan of South India)in a weekend course in the US. There have also been major changes in the organization. Bhagavan's top leaders are now in a separate organization. Details of that: 3 top leaders that had served Bhagavan for up to 15 years, his soon Krishna, and 23 Indian guides who had been training all the westerners who went to India or Fiji or Italy to become blessing givers are now teaching in the separate One World Academy. Below are details of all this-- Statement of SRI BHAGAVANI, Bhagavan 1. All courses must be made either free or charged only to the extent of covering theexpenses. The movement should not make any profit through its courses or any of its activities.Money and spirituality do not go well together and eventually ONENESS would be destroyed.2. The Oneness Trainers must themselves be trained to conduct the Living in Onenessprogrammes and the Level-1 and Level-2 programmes in their respective countries. The seniorguides and the other guides must only be involved in training the trainers and not conductingthe courses themselves. All the remittances collected should only be shared between thetrainers and their local body in order to promote the work. No part of it should go to any otherbody or used for personal benefit. This would prevent it from becoming a money making Cult.3. Anybody wanting to meet us should have direct access to us and there should be nointermediaries and conditions attached. People should have easy and free access to us. Thisway we could help them grow rapidly.4. After the passing away of Amma Bhagavan, there should neither be a successor norsuccessors and no organized spiritual structure left behind. This would prevent it frombecoming another CULT. Let ONENESS live in the hearts of millions of people and not in anorganized structure of hierarchies. Man has been repeating this mistake time and again.5. Our vision has always been to set man totally and unconditionally free. Let not ONENESSyet again bind millions of people through its structures, through its hierarchies and throughmoneymaking activities.Help me to keep this vision alive.-__ Bhagavan: I want Oneness Trainers to initiate people into becoming blessing givers. After the two day course, they will initiate the participants into becoming blessing givers. After sunrise on December 3, this can happen. We will be doing certain processes and rituals in India to initiate the trainers to be able to initiate blessing givers. They will have the power to initiate blessing givers. We are doing this as an emergency measure because we are running out of time for 2012. 2012 is our main focus and our mission and we are rapidly losing time. We need more blessing givers. We need more trainers. We can't wait for trips to India and courses in India. Letter from Krishnaji 25/11/2009, son of Bhagavan Dear Oneness Family,We would like to brief you of the current developments in the Oneness Movement. After discussions with Sri Bhagavan, we plan to constitute a new organization with the vision of aiding people's inner growth. The name, website and other details of this organization are still in the process of being finalized and we will let you know as soon as possible. We are most deeply thankful to all our friends and well-wishers that have offered their love and support to us all these years as well as during these most challenging times and wish to state that we enjoyed every moment of working with you. We also take this opportunity to inform you that the three senior guides (Anandagiriji, Samadarshiniji Vimalakeerthiji) have met with Sri Bhagavan. It was a very poignant moment for them to meet with Sri Bhagavan and spend time together with love and affection. Sri Bhagavan is happy and pleased and feels this to be the best course of action at this point of time. This decision is purely a functional step based on ideological differences. Irrespective of how we intend to work, we would continue to love and honor Sri Amma-Bhagavan in our hearts. We also seek your blessings for our success and growth in this new endeavor trust we would continue to remain friends and continue to support each other as we always have. Please know that you will always be in our hearts and in our prayers. Thank you for all your support and love.With love,Sri Krishnaji. The `One World Academy' is an organization that provides education to awaken individuals to their truth. This truth is not an existing religion or yet another religion, a new scripture, universal principles or a set of laws. It is not a new conditioning nor is it a projected end. This truth is about `you'. It is about discovering who you are. Such a discovery is essential to bring about a new state of consciousness. A state of consciousness where there is freedom from the past, its
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit's origin
He posted it yesterday. On Dec 22, 2009, at 7:36 PM, off_world_beings wrote: How come you don't put a link or a date on this. This sounds dated. What does the cardemeister think?
[FairfieldLife] Re: A great blonde joke
Just thought I'd let you know, this joke has gotten high marks from the teenagers in my family. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: A similar puzzle joke: A gaggle of blondes come into a bar shouting Eight weeks! Eight weeks! They order drinks and sit at a table shouting the same thing over and over, obviously celebrating something. The bartender, when he brings their drinks, says, What are you gals celebrating? One blonde says, Well, we're members of a puzzle club. We get together and assemble jigsaw puzzles. The latest one said right on the box, '1 to 2 years' and we finished it in only eight weeks!
[FairfieldLife] Re: A great blonde joke
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: Just thought I'd let you know, this joke has gotten high marks from the teenagers in my family. Sounds like a Kelly Bundy line. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: A similar puzzle joke: A gaggle of blondes come into a bar shouting Eight weeks! Eight weeks! They order drinks and sit at a table shouting the same thing over and over, obviously celebrating something. The bartender, when he brings their drinks, says, What are you gals celebrating? One blonde says, Well, we're members of a puzzle club. We get together and assemble jigsaw puzzles. The latest one said right on the box, '1 to 2 years' and we finished it in only eight weeks!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit's origin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: He posted it yesterday. Where? On Dec 22, 2009, at 7:36 PM, off_world_beings wrote: How come you don't put a link or a date on this. This sounds dated. What does the cardemeister think?
[FairfieldLife] Re: $3 billion prediction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: [snip] I'll see it several times. Now that I've seen it in English and know the dialog, I'll see it in Spanish just to watch it on a big screen. Then, when it finally comes to the IMAX theatre in Barcelona, I'll see it again there to see it in 3D. Probably multiple times. [snip] One of the reasons Titanic made the nearly $2 billion in worldwide box office is that teenage girls went to see it multiple times. I heard of one woman that saw it 25 times ! ! No kidding. It's pretty obvious that Avatar is shaping up as the same sort of phenomenon with the following difference: the repeat demographic is probably, for the first time in cinematic history, going to be ACROSS THE BOARD. That is, EVERYONE regardless of age and gender is going to go see this thing more than once. So is there a hot new chic or dude in it? If not, why do you think people will watch it 10 times or more? (I haven't seen it, its not my cup of tea, seems more targeted at the lowest common denominator in society ;-) A socialist equality for Ja Ja Binks et al, it sounds like - not usually your kind of politics Shemp? PREDICTION: Avatar will not only gross $3 billion in worldwide box office it will do it faster than the previous box office winner in real dollars -- Titanic -- did it getting to $2 billion and faster than the all-time winner in adjusted for inflation dollars -- Gone with the wind -- did it getting to its total. How much is 2 billion dollars in todays money 10-12 years later? OffWorld The inflation calculator at http://www.westegg.com/inflation/ says: What cost $20 in 1997 would cost $2672500089.36 in 2008. Also, if you were to buy exactly the same products in 2008 and 1997, they would cost you $20 and $1527631705.78 respectively.
[FairfieldLife] 10 Reasons to Kill the Senate Bill
I signed the FDL petition with this note: Dear Senator Harkin, This bill gives my employer an incentive to drop my excellent group plan which will then force me to buy junk insurance with such a high deductible that I cannot afford to use it. The insurance companies will make a profit on my premiums and if I do not use my insurance because I cannot afford to pay the out of pocket deductible on top of the premiums, profits are even better. No wonder healthcare stocks skyrocketed the day after the Senate passed the bill! The evil of this bill far outweighs any good you hope will come of it. The Republicans cannot wait to hang this pig around your neck. You should have forced this bill into reconciliation. At least there, you could have fought for a woman's right to choose and the public option or perhaps single payer. Now you have neither and you face losing House and Senate seats in 2010 despite all the noise the Democrats made on the Hill pretending to fight for the little guy. http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/21/10- 10 Reasons to Kill the Senate Bill http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/21/10-reasons-to-kill-the-sena\ te-bill/By: Jane Hamsher http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/author/Jane-2/ Monday December 21, 2009 7:10 am FDL has become the go-to place for coverage of the health care bill due to the work of our incredible team. Jon Walker's second-to-none knowledge of the health care bill has made the policy and political analysis he offers up at FDL Action http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/ a driving force. Dave Dayen's reporting at the FDL News Desk http://news.firedoglake.com/ , Marcy Wheeler 's research and in-depth analysis at Emptywheel http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/ , Laura Flanders' interviews at GritTV, our FDL http://firedoglake.com/ team of writers and editors, and our community members at The Seminal http://seminal.firedoglake.com/ provide the most independent and comprehensive picture of what's happening moment-by-moment on the health care debate to be found anywhere. So, I asked them to help make it simple: how do we let people know what's going to happen to them if the Senate bill passes? Everyone put their heads together and came up with a list: Top 10 Reasons to Kill Senate Health Care Bill 1. Forces you to pay up to 8% of your income to private insurance corporations whether you want to or not. 2. If you refuse to buy the insurance, you'll have to pay penalties of up to 2% of your annual income to the IRS. 3. Many will be forced to buy poor-quality insurance they can't afford to use, with $11,900 in annual out-of-pocket expenses over and above their annual premiums. 4. Massive restriction on a woman's right to choose, designed to trigger a challenge to Roe v. Wade in the Supreme Court. 5. Paid for by taxes on the middle class insurance plan you have right now through your employer, causing them to cut back benefits and increase co-pays. 6. Many of the taxes to pay for the bill start now, but most Americans won't see any benefits like an end to discrimination against those with preexisting conditions until 2014 when the program begins. 7. Allows insurance companies to charge people who are older 300% more than others. 8. Grants monopolies to drug companies that will keep generic versions of expensive biotech drugs from ever coming to market. 9. No re-importation of prescription drugs, which would save consumers $100 billion over 10 years. 10. The cost of medical care will continue to rise, and insurance premiums for a family of four will rise an average of $1,000 a year meaning in 10 years, your family's insurance premium will be $10,000 more annually than it is right now. Background information on each point: 1. Hardship Waiver And Restrictions On Immigrants Buying Insurance Undercut Arguments For An Individual Mandate, by Jon Walker http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/21/2009/12/18/hardship-wavier-\ and-restrictions-on-immigrants-buying-insurance-undercut-arguments-for-a\ n-individual-mandate/ 2. What's in the Manager's Amendment by David Dayen http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/12/19/whats-in-the-managers-amendment/\ 3. MyBarackObama Tax by Marcy Wheeler http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/12/16/the-mybarackobamatax/ 4. Emperor Ben Nelson: All Your Uteruses Are Belong To Me by Scarecrow http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/19778 5. The Senate Bill is Designed to Make Your Health Insurance Worse by Jon Walker http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/21/2009/12/15/the-senate-bill-\ is-designed-to-make-your-health-insurance-worse/ 6. Best way to Fix It Later Is With No Individual Mandate Now by Jon Walker http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/21/2009/12/17/best-way-to-%E2%\ 80%9Cfix-it-later%E2%80%9D-is-with-no-individual-mandate-now/ 7. The Senate Health Care Bill is Built on a Mountain of Sand by Jon Walker
[FairfieldLife] Brittany Murphy
Does anyone know the birth data of Ms. Murphy? She left this world rather too soon. May she rest in peace. JR
