[FairfieldLife] Re: To shaktipat the Planet Earth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote:
Padma-Pada /wiki/Padmap%C4%81da , Hasta-Malaka
/wiki/Hastamalakacharya ,
That's prolly 'hastaamalaka' (hasta + aamalaka, hand-amalaki):
(someone with an) amalaki-fruit (aamalaka) (in their) hand(s) (hasta)
http://emblica-officinalis.101herbs.com/
Amalaka m. and %{I} f. (g. %{gaurA7di} Pa1n2. 4-1 , 41) Emblic
Myrobalan , Emblica Officinalis Gaertn. ;
[FairfieldLife] Re: To shaktipat the Planet Earth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
Padma-Pada /wiki/Padmap%C4%81da , Hasta-Malaka
/wiki/Hastamalakacharya ,
That's prolly 'hastaamalaka' (hasta + aamalaka, hand-amalaki):
(someone with an) amalaki-fruit (aamalaka) (in their) hand(s) (hasta)
http://emblica-officinalis.101herbs.com/
Amalaka m. and %{I} f. (g. %{gaurA7di} Pa1n2. 4-1 , 41) Emblic
Myrobalan , Emblica Officinalis Gaertn. ;
You could probably give shaktipat to quite a few finns here and there yourself
carde without using herbs. It's not a big deal.
But, with the blessings of Brahmananda Saraswati, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
shaktipated this whole Planet for more than 50 years.
Every day, 24/7 !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Project Camelot Interview
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: Watch this clip and let us know if these guys are for real.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSYXrWIA618NR=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSYXrWIA618NR=1 It's a mixed bag, to say the least. You might find this interesting: * http://shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2010/2010-03.htm#top UFOs: Their Spiritual Mission Conference Questions and Answers with Benjamin Creme Part 1 An excerpt `UFOs Their Spiritual Mission' was the theme of Benjamin Creme's keynote talk at the US and European Transmission Meditation Conferences in 2009. His talk was published in Share International, January/February 2010. The Question and Answer sessions from both Conferences follow. The Space Brothers' work on Earth Q. What is the nature of the Space Brothers' spiritual mission? Will they be teachers, for instance? A. They are teachers in a sense. Through Adamski they have given quite a body of teaching, especially the Venusian Master on the mothership in Adamski's book, Inside the Spaceships. This Master's teaching is close to that of Maitreya. It is about the relationship of man to man, and man to what we call God, the spiritual nature of all beings throughout cosmos. That is teaching, but they do not come out onto the platform and put out leaflets or write books, not that kind of teaching. [(c) Steve Alexander, crop_circle_milk_hill] http://shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2010/images/201002_crop_circle\ _milk_hill1.jpg Cropcircle - Milk Hill - 01.07.2000 photo © Steve Alexander The Space Brothers are already involved in replicating on the dense-physical plane the magnetic envelope of our planet. In our future science, called by Maitreya the science of light, all our energy needs will be met by energy obtained directly from the sun. This energy, related to the Earth's magnetic energy now being laid down on the physical plane by the Space Brothers, is the basis of the new science. The Space Brothers know that certain shapes have certain energetic qualities. In the cities of the future there will be energy storehouses of different shapes for our various needs. These energies can all be stepped down and regulated according to their function. Eventually we ourselves will conquer space. It is only a matter of time before we will build by thought spacecraft, which will go out and explore the galaxy. Q. Apart from Adamski, are there any other teachings that come from the Space Brothers? A. This is like every aspect of New Age thinking. It is a minefield and you have to pick your way very carefully through it all. There is authentic teaching such as that of Adamski but there is also a tremendous amount of glamour and illusion. [Maitreya and the Master Jesus in the guise] http://shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2010/images/201002_star_yotsuk\ aido.jpg Yotsukaido, Japan, 27 April 2009 Q. What is the purpose of the Space Brothers' underground bases on this planet? What are they doing there? A. We have despoiled everything on this planet. All land, air, rivers, sea and oceans are polluted. The spaceships go down into the depths of the oceans and neutralize the pollution as far as they are allowed. We have stored nuclear energy waste in the Atlantic and Pacific, and the Space Brothers do their best to nullify the effects of these terrible sources of toxic waste, so they have a lot to do. It is an ongoing process. They have devices which can neutralize the worst elements of pollution, particularly that of high-level nuclear radiation. But they are limited by the Law of Karma in how much they are allowed to help us. Q. Are the Space Brothers involved in healing work? Will they have any role in Transmission Meditation or are they somehow connected with Transmission Meditation? A. Do they have a healing role? No, not per se. Are they involved in Transmission Meditation? No, they are not directly involved in Transmission Meditation, but they are transmitters of cosmic and planetary energies to our Hierarchy, who distribute them through Transmission Meditation groups. They do not interfere in our life. They come to help. It is a rescue mission in which they are involved to save Planet Earth, and to save humanity from the terrible havoc that we have caused through nuclear radiation and all the ravages of the Earth, the forests and so on. It is a planetary mission rather than interfering in our modus operandi. [Light patterns on a building in Vrsac, Serbia, created by Maitreya and the Space Brothers. Photograph sent by Z. V.] http://shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2010/images/201002_light_forma\ tion_vrsac.jpg Light patterns on a building in Vrsac, Serbia, created by Maitreya and the Space Brothers. Photograph sent by Z. V. Q. Will there be an increased closeness and co-operation with the Space Brothers after the Day of Declaration? A. Yes. Q. Will the Space Brothers help to teach us about the art of living? A. Indirectly, yes.
[FairfieldLife] CAN one intellectually know enlightenment? (was: Re: Jihadis)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip To believe that their records of what he said and what he meant by what he said were either accurate or unbiased is like believing THE CORRECTOR (who, like Saint Paul, was never even in the same room with her teacher) when she claims to know what he really taught. :-) If St. Paul had just bothered to study the videotapes and audiotapes of Jesus's lectures, and to read all his books, we could probably be a lot more confident that he *did* know what Jesus really taught. Heck, we might even just want to check for ourselves. snicker For the record, and replying to the issue, not the claimant, THIS in my opinion is what is wrong with most humans' approach to the enlightenment process -- they honestly believe that they can know enlightenment as a result of intellectually examining and pondering enlightenment. IMO, they cannot. It's an experiential process. The intellect is of use only to clarify or build upon experience; it can never replace experience. Without the personal experience of enlightenment, or at the very least being in the close proximity of enlightenment, there is no more possibility of knowing what it is than there is of knowing the taste of a fruit one has never tasted. The alternative argument is ludicrous. That would imply that one believes that one *can* understand or know an experience one has never experienced. Some are comfortable with this level of delusion. Me, having tasted the fruit from time to time, feel that this sense of comfort is better termed ego and delusion than it is knowledge. YMMV. Is it live or is it Memorex? 'Nuff said.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anonymous leeches can't bet with humans
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: You've got some unresolved business in these parts, pardner. Which parts? Colorado is it? OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Afghani Jihadist War Heroes -- Was She Shot Him 6 Times
Many scholars also think that the divinity of Christ is much later doctrine of the church. When Christ was alive he was just an ordinary man. but after he died he was elevated to a divine status. --- On Sun, 3/21/10, tartbrain no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Afghani Jihadist War Heroes -- Was She Shot Him 6 Times Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 9:26 PM I was thinking of his followers. However, the fruit of a teacher's message/methods are revealed to some extent in their followers. Though hundreds of years later -- distortions are inevitable. I just read some things by one of the foremost scholars of the Dead Sea Scrolls and he thinks the core of Jesus' teaching was lost within a century.
Re: [FairfieldLife] CAN one intellectually know enlightenment? (was: Re: Jihadis)
On Mar 22, 2010, at 8:06 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
snip
To believe that their records of what he said and
what he meant by what he said were either accurate
or unbiased is like believing THE CORRECTOR
(who, like Saint Paul, was never even in the same
room with her teacher) when she claims to know
what he really taught. :-)
If St. Paul had just bothered to study the videotapes
and audiotapes of Jesus's lectures, and to read all
his books, we could probably be a lot more confident
that he *did* know what Jesus really taught.
Heck, we might even just want to check for ourselves.
snicker
For the record, and replying to the issue, not
the claimant, THIS in my opinion is what is wrong
with most humans' approach to the enlightenment
process -- they honestly believe that they can
know enlightenment as a result of intellectually
examining and pondering enlightenment.
IMO, they cannot. It's an experiential process.
The intellect is of use only to clarify or build
upon experience; it can never replace experience.
One common external and behavioral sign easily observable to the
public and generally accepted as a criterion for enlightenment is
ethical behavior (or lack thereof). As a couple of recent
documentaries on India have demonstrated, the saints in India seem to
universally agree that those pseudo-saints who succumb to money
scandals or to breaking their vows of celibacy, spiritual incest,
etc. are not the real enlightened ones, no matter how well they dress
for the part or no matter who convincingly they talk the talk.
While generally believed to be inscrutable in some cases, ethical
behavior belies one of the paradoxes of enlightenment, the paradox of
the absolute and the relative, the Two Truths: ethical behavior is
dualistic behavior ('do this, don't do that) so dualistic behavior
will not cause you to become enlightened--but without ethical
behavior, you will not become enlightened!
What creates further confusion is the fact that while some legit.
masters will use unconventional behavior as a way to help their
students wake up to their own ever-present condition, other less
reputable masters will use this fact as a cover for their own bad
behavior.
Ultimately the only way to navigate such a paradox and begin to grok
the actions of avatards behaving badly is too have grokked the
paradox of our own ever-present natural state ourselves. Then and
only then can you claim a POV where you can no longer be fooled by
gurus behaving badly.
But even then, some teachers are truly inscrutable. But in general,
such teachers are few and far between; a rare breed.
The I'm a crazy wisdom master excuse has become the spiritual
equivalent of 'innocent by reason of insanity pleas' in the court of
common laws. Such realities of genuine crazy wisdom masters are in
fact so rare, like their real law counterparts, it's probably safe to
assume when your guru starts claiming he or she acted badly out of
the unconventional need to wake you up using you (or your children's)
genitalia or your banking account (or what's left of it), that it's
time to keep the kids off of guruji's lap and rescind that donation
form you signed. Time to call the lawyer.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trivedi Coup de TM
a simple DNA test can validate that. maybe he could cure haemophilia, cystic fibrosis etc etc.?? --- On Sun, 3/21/10, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trivedi Coup de TM Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 8:27 PM The report I got on the guy is that he has different organs in his body than ordinary people, and that he can change your DNA. Naturally I asked for evidence. No response.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trivedi Coup de TM
If you look under Publications in the Scientific Research section of Trivedi Foundation web site, you will find a number of published research studies. Odd that you weren't able to find them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I never said there were. I never said you did. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Were you able to find any? I already said no. Why can't you answer my question? Never mind. I assume the reason you're avoiding an answer is that there are not, in fact, any published scientific studies on the Web site. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I have no idea. Did you? Are there any published scientific studies listed on that Web site? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: OK, I couldn't find any published studies. These seem to be all anecdotal reports. Did I miss something? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: http://www.trivedifoundation.org/scientific-research --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: The constant stream of negative comments from people who live many miles away and have never met the man and have no idea of how this event was promoted Well, we do have *some* idea from the promotional piece that was posted here. or the scientific research that has been done on Trivedi's work So tell us about the scientific research.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did you have this experience in India ? If so how did it influence you ?
Socialist forces in India prevented automation in industries and mechanisation in agriculture. Everything became labor intensive. --- On Tue, 3/9/10, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@netscape.net wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Did you have this experience in India ? If so how did it influence you ? Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 9:54 AM ...perhaps more in line with Gandhi than Guru Dev, but not Maharishi who in his later years, like Gandhi, had a visceral reaction to democracy and globalisation. Recall that Gandhi sentenced several generations of Indians to dire poverty by his protectionist policies...that' s what that whole silly spinning of cotton crap that he was engaged in was meant to do AND be symbolic of: we grow the cotton in India and we ship it off to England to be manufactured! Well, we must do the whole vertical manufacturing here in India! Grow, spin, manufacture, make into clothing, said the insane economist Gandhi. And 10s of millions of Ambassador cars later that never worked properly and the rest of the economy that were crippled by this policy and, finally, India is getting out of the grip of that madness. Raj Patel wants India to go back to that and so did Maharishi from what I could tell.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Healthcare. Have you Septic Tanks gone civilised?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: And how do you feel that your health system costs the British taxpayer half of what the US system costs the US taxpayer? OffWorld A lot of Nones here. As for the last, these insurance companies, now with a flood of new custom, are going to be very interested in remedies that are cost effective. They could have a very pragmatic attitude. TM should get in the frame.
[FairfieldLife] CAN one intellectually know enlightenment? (was: Re: Jihadis)
TurquoiseB: ...they honestly believe that they can know enlightenment as a result of intellectually examining and pondering enlightenment. Shankaracharya apparently believed in the truth of the Upanishads. Shankara taught that knowledge of the truth was gained by meditating on the scriptures. Once you know that there is an enlightened state to be attained, you can then pursue a technique under a teacher. Without the knowledge of the Absolute, gained through the valid means of knowledge, that is, scriptural knowledge, verbal testimony, and inference, you would not be able to understand even the idea of attaining enlightenment. Knowledge of the enlightened state is not apriori knowledge - that's the point of Jnana Yoga. You are not born with wisdom, you must cultivate it. You are not born with the innate idea of attaining an enlightened state. You probably heard about enlightenment or you read about it in a book. The alternative argument is ludicrous. That would imply that one believes that one *can* understand or know an experience one has never experienced. Not everyone even ascribes to the possibility of an enlightened state, Turq. To call them ludicrous is very arrogant. You haven't made an argument for the enlightened state! You must believe that there is an enlightened state to be attained, otherwise, you would never seek to attain it. Me, having tasted the fruit from time to time, feel that this sense of comfort is better termed ego and delusion than it is knowledge... But, how would you really know that you had tasted enlightenment, if you had never experienced the enlightened state before? So, your thesis doesn't hold up under scrutiny. Also, you failed, again, to define enlightenment (your word). What, exactly, is enlightenment?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trivedi Coup de TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 fest...@... wrote: If you look under Publications in the Scientific Research section of Trivedi Foundation web site, you will find a number of published research studies. Odd that you weren't able to find them. And you didn't mention this when I first asked, instead dancing around it for several posts, because...? You are correct, there are six published studies. You have to click on the links at the bottom of the page to get to the topic pages, then again on the links at the bottom of those pages to get to the actual study citations. Only the first two links yield any study citations. The other five give you a page with a single sentence saying that studies have been submitted. I clicked on Physiology and then Medical Science, saw that sentence, and assumed the others had the same. Moreover, the text on the initial Publications page is all about how shortsighted journal editors won't even consider studies submitted on Trivedi. The headline sentence in bold says, Many open-minded journal editors have published the findings of our research in Materials Science and Microbiology. Six papers have recently been published and many papers are under process of consideration. I'm not sure six qualifies as many. In any case, it would have been helpful to include an explicit mention of the links at the bottom of the page to Materials Science and Microbiology for readers to check out the six studies. They would do much better to put the six citations front and center. It almost seems as though they wanted to discourage readers from finding them, but they appear to be perfectly legitimate, so I'm not sure why they wouldn't feature them conspicuously. I spent more time looking for them than I suspect most readers would. Anyway, thanks for finally coming through with the goods. You could have saved us both a number of posts had you done so to begin with. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I never said there were. I never said you did. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Were you able to find any? I already said no. Why can't you answer my question? Never mind. I assume the reason you're avoiding an answer is that there are not, in fact, any published scientific studies on the Web site. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I have no idea. Did you? Are there any published scientific studies listed on that Web site? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: OK, I couldn't find any published studies. These seem to be all anecdotal reports. Did I miss something? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: http://www.trivedifoundation.org/scientific-research --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: The constant stream of negative comments from people who live many miles away and have never met the man and have no idea of how this event was promoted Well, we do have *some* idea from the promotional piece that was posted here. or the scientific research that has been done on Trivedi's work So tell us about the scientific research.
[FairfieldLife] CAN one intellectually know enlightenment? (was: Re: Jihadis)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip To believe that their records of what he said and what he meant by what he said were either accurate or unbiased is like believing THE CORRECTOR (who, like Saint Paul, was never even in the same room with her teacher) when she claims to know what he really taught. :-) If St. Paul had just bothered to study the videotapes and audiotapes of Jesus's lectures, and to read all his books, we could probably be a lot more confident that he *did* know what Jesus really taught. Heck, we might even just want to check for ourselves. snicker For the record, and replying to the issue, not the claimant, Actually, of course, it isn't even responding to the *issue*, much less to what the claimant said. What it *is*, is an attempt to put down the claimant by attributing to her beliefs she doesn't hold and then dumping on those beliefs, while not addressing the point the claimant made. The attempted putdown is a function, as usual, of Barry's embarrassment and anger at having been caught in yet another silly booboo--his failure to recognize, in his eagerness to put down THE CORRECTOR in his previous post, that we *can* know what MMY taught because we have extensive records of MMY himself actually teaching, entirely unlike the situation of Jesus's followers. THIS in my opinion is what is wrong with most humans' approach to the enlightenment process -- they honestly believe that they can know enlightenment as a result of intellectually examining and pondering enlightenment. Of course we can't know enlightenment on a purely intellectual basis. I don't know that anybody makes this claim or holds this belief. Looks like a straw man set up to be knocked down (and hardly for the first time from Barry, either; it's one of his standard tropes dressed up to look like a new insight). In any case, it's not at all clear that what Jesus was teaching had to do with enlightenment in the classical sense. If it was, that teaching has been lost or thoroughly obscured. One can only guess-- again, entirely unlike with MMY. The tragedy of knowledge in MMY's case is a result, generally speaking, of *ignoring* what he said, *forgetting* what he said even when we have the records of the man himself saying it. If we really *want* to know what he taught, we can always consult those records. But some prefer to put their own words and ideas in his mouth--or attribute to him words and ideas they disagree with so they can challenge them--and then dump on anybody who dares CORRECT them. IMO, they cannot. It's an experiential process. The intellect is of use only to clarify or build upon experience; it can never replace experience. Without the personal experience of enlightenment, or at the very least being in the close proximity of enlightenment, there is no more possibility of knowing what it is than there is of knowing the taste of a fruit one has never tasted. Which is, of course, *exactly what MMY taught*. The alternative argument (Which nobody makes...) is ludicrous. That would imply that one believes that one *can* understand or know an experience one has never experienced. Some are comfortable with this level of delusion. Me, having tasted the fruit from time to time, feel that this sense of comfort is better termed ego and delusion than it is knowledge. YMMV. Because Barry, you see, *knows*. cackle Is it live or is it Memorex? 'Nuff said. Says Barry, neatly but entirely inadvertently stepping on his own point. The Memorex slogan highlights the *accuracy* of the reproduction-- one can't even be sure which one is hearing, the live or the recorded performance. That's similar to the situation with MMY's teaching, unlike with that of Jesus, where we don't even have the Memorex.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: She Shot Him 6 Times
Wow, Rick, that's pretty radical of you. You would actually consider shooting someone who only wanted a few of your *things* to sell and feed his poor starving family? What's up with that? Must be one of those Hindu thangs. You did say, if I were her. I guess you meant,if you were in her body. But shooting an intruder in the leg is really stupid. What if they pulled out a gun and shot you back or hobbled over to you and cut your throat? My third rule, if you're going to pull a gun on somebody, be prepared to use it, with deadly force,or they might take it away from you and use it on you. But then if your horoscope doesn't show you going through a death cycle at that time, you might consider a shot in the legif you're really that mean. From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, March 21, 2010 8:38:25 AM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: She Shot Him 6 Times From:FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:FairfieldLi f...@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of lurkernomore2000200 0 Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 7:08 PM To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: She Shot Him 6 Times --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: That's the way gangs work. They mete out justice swiftly and finally without messing with all that legal stuff. You, apparently, would like the whole society to function that way. Rick, I believe gangs typically interact with other gangs. When they encroach on traditional law abiding citizens they generally run into a lot of organized resistance from police or other organized groups. Take a look at what is happening in Mexico. There you have the gangs encroaching into non gang, traditional life. The response from the authorities is rising up to deal with the crisis. When the gangs were just killing each other, the concern wasn't so great. There are many other examples. Look at how the west was won. Why did not outlaw gangs take over? Because most citizens are law abiding, have strong sense of right and wrong, and know what constitutes justice. And they are willing to enforce that by consensus, and often that mens force. Isn't that what kept law and order during this period. I think it is a little lame to suggest that I am advocating gang type revenge justice. I am just saying that you tread on me in such a way as to deprive me of my rights, be prepared for forceful action. Certainly there are many times when I would like to harm someone for treating me in what I feel to be an unfair manner. And I recognize that I must pursue it in a civil (court) manner. I have a customer right now who owes my (our) company $600.00, and he won't discuss it, and I would like to do something radical to show my anger and frustration. But I recognize that I may just have to go after him in small court. What do you think. You're points are well-taken. I suppose we have laws to offer a civil alternative to venting our anger in ways our baser instincts might dictate. I once knew a woman in the Indian Village area of downtown Detroit, a wealthy neighborhood directly abutting a poor neighborhood. She said that more than once, she'd wake up in the middle of the night to find a thief rummaging through her belongings in her bedroom. She got a dog, but the guy make friends with the dog when she was walking it in the park, so the next time he broke in, the dog didn't react. It's hard for me to imagine shooting anyone, but if I were her, I'd be tempted to have a gun under my pillow and shoot the guy. Maybe I'd aim for the legs. That should send a pretty clear message.
[FairfieldLife] Himalayan Odyssey - A Paragliding Expedition in the Himalayas
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Trivedi Coup de TM
I didn't know they were there until I looked this morning. I wasn't the one who was interested in finding them; you were. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: If you look under Publications in the Scientific Research section of Trivedi Foundation web site, you will find a number of published research studies. Odd that you weren't able to find them. And you didn't mention this when I first asked, instead dancing around it for several posts, because...? You are correct, there are six published studies. You have to click on the links at the bottom of the page to get to the topic pages, then again on the links at the bottom of those pages to get to the actual study citations. Only the first two links yield any study citations. The other five give you a page with a single sentence saying that studies have been submitted. I clicked on Physiology and then Medical Science, saw that sentence, and assumed the others had the same. Moreover, the text on the initial Publications page is all about how shortsighted journal editors won't even consider studies submitted on Trivedi. The headline sentence in bold says, Many open-minded journal editors have published the findings of our research in Materials Science and Microbiology. Six papers have recently been published and many papers are under process of consideration. I'm not sure six qualifies as many. In any case, it would have been helpful to include an explicit mention of the links at the bottom of the page to Materials Science and Microbiology for readers to check out the six studies. They would do much better to put the six citations front and center. It almost seems as though they wanted to discourage readers from finding them, but they appear to be perfectly legitimate, so I'm not sure why they wouldn't feature them conspicuously. I spent more time looking for them than I suspect most readers would. Anyway, thanks for finally coming through with the goods. You could have saved us both a number of posts had you done so to begin with. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I never said there were. I never said you did. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Were you able to find any? I already said no. Why can't you answer my question? Never mind. I assume the reason you're avoiding an answer is that there are not, in fact, any published scientific studies on the Web site. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I have no idea. Did you? Are there any published scientific studies listed on that Web site? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: OK, I couldn't find any published studies. These seem to be all anecdotal reports. Did I miss something? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: http://www.trivedifoundation.org/scientific-research --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: The constant stream of negative comments from people who live many miles away and have never met the man and have no idea of how this event was promoted Well, we do have *some* idea from the promotional piece that was posted here. or the scientific research that has been done on Trivedi's work So tell us about the scientific research.
[FairfieldLife] Are there Polar Bears in Finland?
Miss Finland answers this question. She also appears to be interested in yogic flying. A potential siddha perhaps? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9V-BFJkxE4
[FairfieldLife] Re: Afghani Jihadist War Heroes -- Was She Shot Him 6 Times
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_sp...@... wrote: Many scholars also think that the divinity of Christ is much later doctrine of the church. When Christ was alive he was just an ordinary man. but after he died he was elevated to a divine status. Sorta like Maharishi. One day, just a feeble old guy. The next, higher than all the other saints and gurus in heaven. It appears that the only thing one has to do to become divine is diet. I think I've got that one covered, so one day people may be worshipping me. :-) --- On Sun, 3/21/10, tartbrain no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Afghani Jihadist War Heroes -- Was She Shot Him 6 Times Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 9:26 PM I was thinking of his followers. However, the fruit of a teacher's message/methods are revealed to some extent in their followers. Though hundreds of years later -- distortions are inevitable. I just read some things by one of the foremost scholars of the Dead Sea Scrolls and he thinks the core of Jesus' teaching was lost within a century.
[FairfieldLife] 3 down, 179 to go....
We're three days into the $50,000 6-month bet between Off_World and Shemp and -- surprise, surprise! -- Ron Paul still hasn't come out with the statement on global warming that Off predicted he would. I am still waiting for Off to provide me with the name, address, and phone number of a LEGITIMATE attorney so that I can provide him with my I.D. etc. Funnily enough -- but, of course, not very surprising -- Off provided a phony name and address of a NON-attorney for me to contact in another state! First he asks me to give my information to his attorney and when I asked him where to send the info, he comes up with the false name and stuff. What's with this guy? Is he having yet another of his famous psychotic episodes? Off, please come clean.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Afghani Jihadist War Heroes -- Was She Shot Him 6 Times
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Many scholars also think that the divinity of Christ is much later doctrine of the church. When Christ was alive he was just an ordinary man. but after he died he was elevated to a divine status. Sorta like Maharishi. One day, just a feeble old guy. The next, higher than all the other saints and gurus in heaven. It appears that the only thing one has to do to become divine is diet. I think I've got that one covered, so one day people may be worshipping me. :-) Interesting typo...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Healthcare. Have you Septic Tanks gone civilised?
uns_tressor wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: And how do you feel that your health system costs the British taxpayer half of what the US system costs the US taxpayer? OffWorld A lot of Nones here. As for the last, these insurance companies, now with a flood of new custom, are going to be very interested in remedies that are cost effective. They could have a very pragmatic attitude. TM should get in the frame. The best thing would be to regulate these parasitic insurance companies out of business.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Afghani Jihadist War Heroes -- Was She Shot Him 6 Times
Jason: When Christ was alive he was just an ordinary man... Apparently Jesus of Nazereth was born a Jew. So, why shouldn't a Jew be able to build a home in Nazereth, Jason? It doesn't make any sense to partition Judea and then not allow a Jew to build a house in half the capitol city of the Jews, Jerusalem. Why do the they want to partition Judea, with a 'Palestinian' section, and then keep the Jews out?
[FairfieldLife] Re: CAN one intellectually know enlightenment? (was: Re: Jihadis)
I think you really trapped Vaj. if he got fooled five or more times, he probably lacks discerning capablities.?? BTW, how do you define enlightenment.?? --- On Mon, 3/22/10, WillyTex willy...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] CAN one intellectually know enlightenment? (was: Re: Jihadis) Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 8:43 AM It has been proved beyond the shadow of a doubt, that at least five of your teachers were probably unethical: Kalu had a secret mistress; Trungpa died from riotous living; your teacher Osel Tendzin died of AIDS; one of your Shankaracharyas is in court accused of murder; and your other guru was convicted of raping a student. If the reports you posted are to be believed, your guru, the Maharishi, was suspected of murder and having sexual relations with his students, yet you seem to have been a Maharishi follower for several years. So, the question becomes, if you were fooled once, why would you be willing to get fooled four more times? It doesn't make any sense. I mean, if they fooled you, and you're so smart, how would the average person know how to discriminate between ethical teachers and those that are unethical? You'd think so, but you've been in and out of cults for most of your adult life. You've had at least five spiritual teachers that I know about, but you're still acting unethical on this forum, trying to make us believe there is *enlightenment to be attained*. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] CAN one intellectually know enlightenment? (was: Re: Jihadis)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Mar 22, 2010, at 8:06 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
snip
To believe that their records of what he said and
what he meant by what he said were either accurate
or unbiased is like believing THE CORRECTOR
(who, like Saint Paul, was never even in the same
room with her teacher) when she claims to know
what he really taught. :-)
If St. Paul had just bothered to study the videotapes
and audiotapes of Jesus's lectures, and to read all
his books, we could probably be a lot more confident
that he *did* know what Jesus really taught.
Heck, we might even just want to check for ourselves.
snicker
For the record, and replying to the issue, not
the claimant, THIS in my opinion is what is wrong
with most humans' approach to the enlightenment
process -- they honestly believe that they can
know enlightenment as a result of intellectually
examining and pondering enlightenment.
IMO, they cannot. It's an experiential process.
The intellect is of use only to clarify or build
upon experience; it can never replace experience.
One common external and behavioral sign easily observable to the
public and generally accepted as a criterion for enlightenment is
ethical behavior (or lack thereof). As a couple of recent
documentaries on India have demonstrated, the saints in India seem to
universally agree that those pseudo-saints who succumb to money
scandals or to breaking their vows of celibacy, spiritual incest,
etc. are not the real enlightened ones, no matter how well they dress
for the part or no matter who convincingly they talk the talk.
While generally believed to be inscrutable in some cases, ethical
behavior belies one of the paradoxes of enlightenment, the paradox of
the absolute and the relative, the Two Truths: ethical behavior is
dualistic behavior ('do this, don't do that) so dualistic behavior
will not cause you to become enlightened--but without ethical
behavior, you will not become enlightened!
What creates further confusion is the fact that while some legit.
masters will use unconventional behavior as a way to help their
students wake up to their own ever-present condition, other less
reputable masters will use this fact as a cover for their own bad
behavior.
Ultimately the only way to navigate such a paradox and begin to grok
the actions of avatards behaving badly is too have grokked the
paradox of our own ever-present natural state ourselves. Then and
only then can you claim a POV where you can no longer be fooled by
gurus behaving badly.
But even then, some teachers are truly inscrutable. But in general,
such teachers are few and far between; a rare breed.
The I'm a crazy wisdom master excuse has become the spiritual
equivalent of 'innocent by reason of insanity pleas' in the court of
common laws. Such realities of genuine crazy wisdom masters are in
fact so rare, like their real law counterparts, it's probably safe to
assume when your guru starts claiming he or she acted badly out of
the unconventional need to wake you up using you (or your children's)
genitalia or your banking account (or what's left of it), that it's
time to keep the kids off of guruji's lap and rescind that donation
form you signed. Time to call the lawyer.
While I agree with everything you say, Vaj (while
spitting my coffee out at the word 'avatards'), I
would never use behavior alone as an indicator of
the presence of or lack of enlightenment. Nor (for
what should be obvious reasons to anyone who has
been following my posts here) would I see the
ability to perform siddhis or any of the classic
'indicators' of enlightenment presented in the
various 'scriptures' passed down to us.
While these things are indicators of *something*,
I for one am not convinced it is 'enlightenment.'
While IMO any teacher who pooh-poohs traditional
'measures' of enlightenment better have some good
explanations for why he or she does so, I don't
hold any of these measures to be the 'gold standard'
that allows one to stamp ENLIGHTENED on their
passport.
Me, I've been fortunate enough to have a few
fleeting enlightenment experiences, and have been
fortunate enough to sit with a few individuals I
suspect of having realized their enlightenment, or
something pretty damned close to it. I would never
say definitively that *any* of them were enlight-
ened, but I seriously suspect that they were, at
least at the time I interacted with them.
I base this suspicion on one thing and one thing
only -- what it feels like to meditate in the
same room with them, as they are meditating, too.
There is a certain level of Silence or near-absolute
transcendence emanating from the ones I suspect of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Afghani Jihadist War Heroes -- Was She Shot Him 6 Times
I agree with you on the partition issue. Partitions create artificial states. Kuwait, Taiwan, pakistan. It leads to years and years of war. It also leads to massive displacement of people. They should have avoided partition and enacted a special law by which jews who want to settle there come in by legal immigration procedures. nothing wrong with that. How do you undo the partition and recreate the original Judea.?? --- On Mon, 3/22/10, WillyTex willy...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Afghani Jihadist War Heroes -- Was She Shot Him 6 Times Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 8:55 AM Apparently Jesus of Nazereth was born a Jew. So, why shouldn't a Jew be able to build a home in Nazereth, Jason? It doesn't make any sense to partition Judea and then not allow a Jew to build a house in half the capitol city of the Jews, Jerusalem. Why do the they want to partition Judea, with a 'Palestinian' section, and then keep the Jews out?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Afghani Jihadist War Heroes -- Was She Shot Him 6 Times
I meant to type 'die,' not 'diet.' Maharishi had the former covered, but not the latter. I'm pretty sure I've got the former covered as well, and don't need the latter. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Many scholars also think that the divinity of Christ is much later doctrine of the church. When Christ was alive he was just an ordinary man. but after he died he was elevated to a divine status. Sorta like Maharishi. One day, just a feeble old guy. The next, higher than all the other saints and gurus in heaven. It appears that the only thing one has to do to become divine is diet. I think I've got that one covered, so one day people may be worshipping me. :-) --- On Sun, 3/21/10, tartbrain no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Afghani Jihadist War Heroes -- Was She Shot Him 6 Times Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 9:26 PM I was thinking of his followers. However, the fruit of a teacher's message/methods are revealed to some extent in their followers. Though hundreds of years later -- distortions are inevitable. I just read some things by one of the foremost scholars of the Dead Sea Scrolls and he thinks the core of Jesus' teaching was lost within a century.
[FairfieldLife] Cleveland UFO 10 Nights In A Row
http://tinyurl.com/yjwj2mc
[FairfieldLife] Flashback of the Day
The health care bill, ObamaCare, is dead with not the slightest prospect of resurrection. -- Wingnut handjob Fred Barnes, in the Weekly Standard in January http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/health-care-bill-dead http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/health-care-bill-dead
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trivedi Coup de TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Methinks the stage is set for Girish to vent, kick some ass, and take firmer hold of the MUM reins if they're allowing a non-TM teacher to get himself scientifically validated in the eyes of the FF community. Anyone want to drop a line to Girish? Heh heh. What next? Caesar Millan gets authorized to create Vedic dogs? Things be sliding down the slope purdy fast seems like. Edg Yep, Trivedi's now certified by the TM researchers. Was quite the coup. Has he been up to buddhist research-central in Madison yet? Or UCLA where they do real research on consciousness? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Trivedi was up visiting on campus this morning and they hooked him up to Fred Travis' equipment. Fred confirmed Trivedi is functioning at a very high level. A Coup of TM-movement. Turns out the Saturday afternoon meeting at Morningstar Studio was not for personal blessings but was for a group blessing. Trivedi and the shakti girls had moved from visiting around up on campus to meeting at Morningstar for a group blessing with Trivedi. Some of the Campus folks followed too. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: It's intended for people on low incomes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Downtown FF, word on the street is that personal blessing is now also open to folks walking in this afternoon. Held at Morningstar Studio $25 cash per person.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jihadi Supremacy Illegitimate birth
...Communism and Islam are bastard Ideologies. tartbrain: And people are still puzzled as to why some in Islamic countries hate the US and Americans. Don't you just hate those bastards! But, it's not a puzzle because Karl Marx and Abrahma both fucked their maids. But, what is a puzzle is why anyone would blame the Afghanistan mess on Hagar, the maid that got fucked by Abraham! Go figure. Clearly a job for the UN blue-helmets. It think the international community as a whole must take the blame for the mess there. Karl Marx fucked his maid servant and gave birth to Communism. Abraham fucked his maid servant and gave birth to Islam.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Cleveland UFO 10 Nights In A Row
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:28 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Cleveland UFO 10 Nights In A Row http://tinyurl.com/yjwj2mc Maybe Dennis Kucinich invited them. (He became mayor there at the age of 31.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Afghani Jihadist War Heroes -- Was She Shot Him 6 Times
TurquoiseB: I meant to type 'die,' not 'diet.' Maharishi had the former covered, but not the latter. I'm pretty sure I've got the former covered as well, and don't need the latter. So, what form of soul-monad do you think you'll reincarnate in after you die? An enlightened soul, no doubt, but what form, male or female? If you don't don't diet here, you can die at home. It appears that the only thing one has to do to become divine is diet.
[FairfieldLife] The health care meltdown
It's really fascinating being in the United States as this momentous bill passes. It's even more fascinating being stuck in a hotel room working and, contrary to my normal habits, watching the 'pundits' on the TV news melt down over this. FOX has gone bull goose loony. There is not even the pretense of fair and balanced. It's pure propaganda, verging on hate crime. If they're not preaching to the camera quoting polls that don't exist, they're playing lead the witness by trying to put words into the mouths of anyone they interview who is even slightly in favor of the bill. It's like watching Off or Shemp melt down when something they believe could never happen happens. But on TV.
[FairfieldLife] CAN one intellectually know enlightenment? (was: Re: Jihadis)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: My guideline is, If I can even *have* a thought while meditating with the person, they aren't a candidate for 'suspicion of enlightenmentitude.' If their samadhi is so powerful that it 'reaches out' and draws me into it and becomes my samadhi as well, then they are. This ofcourse is where the Turq went wrong, where he shows his basic misunderstanding of any 6'th grader in spiritual matters. A real Master would never do such a thing as the Turq describes. The experience of spirituality must be based on the ability of the student to have such experiences totally and completely independent of any other person, including a Guru or teacher or whoever. But then again the Turq never had such kind of experiences in this life because he finished them off in a past lifetime. He never even had a Kundalini-experience. As the americans says; go figure !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Healthcare. Have you Septic Tanks gone civilised?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor uns_tres...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: And how do you feel that your health system costs the British taxpayer half of what the US system costs the US taxpayer? OffWorld A lot of Nones here. As for the last, these insurance companies, now with a flood of new custom, are going to be very interested in remedies that are cost effective. They could have a very pragmatic attitude. TM should get in the frame. You're right - as a newly reconstituted SIMS-like pre-1975 secular TM organization, based in the U.S., the only product of which is TM instruction, TM checking and residence courses. Start by decoupling from the Global Country of World Peace. Eliminate isolation of the stand alone Peace Palace location as a storefront and associate with existing group medical practices, which provide a stream of referrals and space. Advance the concept of health care instead of disease care where the medical group is compensated for the health of its patients instead of the treatment of disease. Creation of a TMer Health Insurance Exchange will bring many financial advantages to its members, lower health insurance premiums, and thereby rejuvenate interest in TM. Who in the U.S. TM movement has the courage to make it happen ? Fullfill Maharishi's goal to make TM available to every human on earth !!!
RE: [FairfieldLife] The health care meltdown
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:37 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] The health care meltdown It's really fascinating being in the United States as this momentous bill passes. It's even more fascinating being stuck in a hotel room working and, contrary to my normal habits, watching the 'pundits' on the TV news melt down over this. FOX has gone bull goose loony. There is not even the pretense of fair and balanced. It's pure propaganda, verging on hate crime. If they're not preaching to the camera quoting polls that don't exist, they're playing lead the witness by trying to put words into the mouths of anyone they interview who is even slightly in favor of the bill. It's like watching Off or Shemp melt down when something they believe could never happen happens. But on TV. Hopefully you're watching the death throes of an outmoded paradigm.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Health insurance reform: TM's future
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor uns_tres...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: And how do you feel that your health system costs the British taxpayer half of what the US system costs the US taxpayer? OffWorld A lot of Nones here. As for the last, these insurance companies, now with a flood of new custom, are going to be very interested in remedies that are cost effective. They could have a very pragmatic attitude. TM should get in the frame. You're right - as a newly reconstituted SIMS-like pre-1975 secular TM organization, based in the U.S., the only product of which is TM instruction, TM checking and residence courses. Start by decoupling from the Global Country of World Peace. Eliminate the isolation and high overhead of the stand alone Peace Palace location as a storefront - associate with existing group medical practices, which provide a stream of referrals and space. Advance the concept of health care instead of disease care where the medical group is compensated for the health of its patients instead of the treatment of disease. Creation of a TMer Health Insurance Exchange will bring many financial advantages to its members, lower health insurance premiums, and thereby rejuvenate interest in TM. Who in the U.S. TM movement has the courage to make it happen ? Fullfill Maharishi's goal to make TM widely available !!!
[FairfieldLife] NASA's Alien Anomalies caught on film - A compilation of stunning UFO footage
Do turn the volume down. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlLN_Jcg1pc
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trivedi Coup de TM
Trivedi was up visiting on campus this morning and they hooked him up to Fred Travis' equipment. Fred confirmed Trivedi is functioning at a very high level. A Coup of TM-movement. Turns out the Saturday afternoon meeting at Morningstar Studio was not for personal blessings but was for a group blessing. Trivedi and the shakti girls had moved from visiting around up on campus to meeting at Morningstar for a group blessing with Trivedi. Some of the Campus folks followed too. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: It's intended for people on low incomes. Om, the lady saints come around and do the same thing for free. If he is in it for money he'll proly do real well with the folks around handling him. Downtown FF, word on the street is that personal blessing is now also open to folks walking in this afternoon. Held at Morningstar Studio $25 cash per person.
[FairfieldLife] Mr. NoWhereMan...lost his marbles.
No bet was made Shemp, as you know. An Anonymous-No-Where-Man, throwing out a number, and pretending someone took you up on a bet is a typical dishonest trait that arises with the psychosis known as Parasite-Cyber-Sad-Syndrome (or PISS for short.) In addition, Anonymous-No-Where-Men cannot make bets, because they do not exist. No-one is interested in this phony bet of yours. You don't have the money, and you are not even an actual person. You are a non-entity who refuses to give his name -- even though you keep pretending you will. The law firm address was an old address, they changed their comapny name and offices apparently, but on second thoughts, you are not a trustworthy citizen so giving any personal information to you is not desirable. No-Where-Men don't get to interact in the real world. Put up your name, or shut up Mr. NoWhereMan.
Re: [FairfieldLife] CAN one intellectually know enlightenment? (was: Re: Jihadis)
On Mar 22, 2010, at 11:43 AM, WillyTex wrote: As a couple of recent documentaries on India have demonstrated, the saints in India seem to universally agree that those pseudo-saints who succumb to money scandals or to breaking their vows of celibacy, spiritual incest, etc. are not the real enlightened ones, no matter how well they dress for the part or no matter who convincingly they talk the talk. It has been proved beyond the shadow of a doubt, that at least five of your teachers were probably unethical: Kalu had a secret mistress; Trungpa died from riotous living; your teacher Osel Tendzin died of AIDS; one of your Shankaracharyas is in court accused of murder; and your other guru was convicted of raping a student. Uh Willy, for at least the third, none of these are my teachers. You do love your strawmen though, doncha? Although you've stated online that Trungpa was one of your teachers! Go figure, huh?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The health care meltdown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:37 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] The health care meltdown It's really fascinating being in the United States as this momentous bill passes. It's even more fascinating being stuck in a hotel room working and, contrary to my normal habits, watching the 'pundits' on the TV news melt down over this. FOX has gone bull goose loony. There is not even the pretense of fair and balanced. It's pure propaganda, verging on hate crime. If they're not preaching to the camera quoting polls that don't exist, they're playing lead the witness by trying to put words into the mouths of anyone they interview who is even slightly in favor of the bill. It's like watching Off or Shemp melt down when something they believe could never happen happens. But on TV. Hopefully you're watching the death throes of an outmoded paradigm. I don't think so. I think the Bush administration's publicly successful promotion of misinformation and lies gave legitimacy to and empowered the normally safely confined in their respective asylum abodes loonie tunes, whack-a-doodle alternate reality fringe. Now they consider themselves mainstream and even have corporate backing. And they don't even appear to have the capability to discern that they're not telling the truth.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Afghani Jihadist War Heroes -- Was She Shot Him 6 Times
Why do the they want to partition Judea, with a 'Palestinian' section, and then keep the Jews out? Jason: I agree with you on the partition issue. Partitions create artificial states. Kuwait, Taiwan, pakistan. So, do you acknowledge the right of Saudi Arabia to exist as a Muslim nation? If so, then it's hard to see on what grounds you would deny a comparable right to Israel and Jews to build a house in their own land. It leads to years and years of war. It also leads to massive displacement of people. They should have avoided partition What the Palestinians and most other Arabs really want is not partition, but to wipe the Jewish state of Israel out of existence. and enacted a special law by which jews who want to settle there come in by legal immigration procedures. In that case, all the inhabitants of Gaza and the West Bank would have to leave and return to Jordan, Syria, and Egypt, where they came from. nothing wrong with that. Anyone who actively supports the continued existence of Israel as a Jewish nation is a zionist. There's nothing wrong with winning a war, when your enemies all spring on you on a religious holiday. So, when you win a just war, like the Seven Day War, you own the land you fought for, and you can do what you want with it to, to make your country secure. How do you undo the partition and recreate the original Judea? The question is, who should be in control of Jerusalem? Answers to choose from: A. Palestinians/Muslims B. Israelis/Jews C. It should be under joint control, since it's important to both religions. D. The United Nations Answers: A is clearly anti-semitic. C and D are pretty much equivalent, and both are borderline antisemitism, or possibly just plain ignorance. B makes the most sense, and is the obvious choice if one has any respect at all for Jews and their traditions... Read more: Author: Delia Subject: Instant Anti-semitism Test Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: October 31, 2003 http://tinyurl.com/y8676oo
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The health care meltdown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: It's really fascinating being in the United States as this momentous bill passes. It's even more fascinating being stuck in a hotel room working and, contrary to my normal habits, watching the 'pundits' on the TV news melt down over this. Actually, most of the TV news pundits are pleased. Fox is an exception. FOX has gone bull goose loony. No worse than the Republicans in the House last night. There is not even the pretense of fair and balanced. It's pure propaganda, verging on hate crime. If they're not preaching to the camera quoting polls that don't exist, they're playing lead the witness by trying to put words into the mouths of anyone they interview who is even slightly in favor of the bill. It's like watching Off or Shemp melt down when something they believe could never happen happens. But on TV. They've known it was going to happen for some days already. What they're after now is making it seem like a disaster so they can use it against Democrats in the 2010 elections. They'll probably succeed in many cases, because a lot of the provisions in the bill won't go into effect until 2014.
[FairfieldLife] Bewildered Author Vows He's Not The Messiah
BEWILDERED AUTHOR VOWS HE'S NOT THE MESSIAH By Bobbie Johnson SMH March 22, 2010 http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/books/bewildered-author-vows-hes-not-the -messiah-20100321-qo0i.html A religious group bizarrely believes a writer has come to save the world. The trouble started when Raj Patel appeared on American TV to plug his latest book, an analysis of the financial crisis called The Value of Nothing. The San Francisco-based author, 37, thought his slot on comedy talk show The Colbert Report went well enough: the host made a few jokes, Patel talked about his work and then, job done, he went home. Shortly afterwards, however, things took a strange turn. Over the course of a couple of days, cryptic messages started filling his inbox. I started getting emails saying, 'Have you heard of Benjamin Creme?' and 'Are you the world teacher?' he said. Then all of a sudden it wasn't just random internet folk, but also friends saying, 'Have you seen this?' What he had written off as gobbledygook suddenly turned into something altogether more bizarre: he was being lauded by members of an obscure religious group who had decided that Patel -- a food activist who grew up in a corner shop in Golders Green in north-west London -- was the messiah. Their reasoning? Patel's background and work coincidentally matched a series of prophecies made by an 87-year-old Scottish mystic called Benjamin Creme, the leader of a little-known religious group called Share International. Because he matched the profile, hundreds of people around the world believed that Patel was the living embodiment of a figure they called Maitreya, the Christ or the world teacher. His job? To save the world, and everyone on it. It was just really weird, he said. Clearly a case of mistaken identity and clearly a case of people on the internet getting things wrong. What started as an oddity kept snowballing until suddenly, in the middle of his book tour and awaiting the arrival of his first child, Patel was inundated by questions, messages of support and even threats. The influx was so heavy that he put a statement on his website referencing Monty Python's Life of Brian and categorically stating that he was not Maitreya. Instead of settling the issue, his denial merely fanned the flames for some believers. Patel's career -- spent at Oxford University, the London School of Economics, the World Bank and think tank Food First -- has been spent trying to understand the inequalities and problems caused by free-market economics, particularly as it relates to the developing world. His first book, Stuffed and Starved, rips through the problems in global food production and examines how the free market has kept millions hungry. The Value of Nothing, meanwhile, draws on the economic collapse to look at how we might improve the lives of billions around the globe. Unravelling exactly what it is that Share International's followers believe is tricky. Their creed is based on an amalgam of various religions, spiritualism and metaphysics. Creme -- who joined a UFO cult in the 1950s before starting Share -- says that Maitreya represents a group of beings from Venus called the Space Brothers. This 18-million-year-old saviour, he says, has been resting somewhere in the Himalayas for 2,000 years and -- as a figure who combines messianism for Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews and Muslims alike -- is due to return any time now. While Patel struggles with this unwanted anointment, his friends and family are tickled. They think it's hilarious, he said. My parents came to visit recently, and they brought clothes that said 'he's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy'. To them, it's just amusing. NHNE Wavemaker News List: Send Some Green Love To NHNE: http://www.nhne.org/DONATE/tabid/398/Default.aspx To subscribe, send a message to: nhnenews-subscr...@yahoogroups.com mailto:nhnenews-subscribe%40yahoogroups.com To unsubscribe, send a message to: nhnenews-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com mailto:nhnenews-unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com To review current posts: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nhnenews/messages http://www.nhne.org/tabid/1044/Default.aspx NHNE's Mother Ship: http://www.nhne.org/ NHNE on Facebook: http://bit.ly/afCLPo NHNE Pulse: http://nhne-pulse.org/ Integral NHNE: http://integralnhne.ning.com/ Published by David Sunfellow NewHeavenNewEarth (NHNE) eMail: n...@nhne.org mailto:nhne%40nhne.org Phone: (928) 257-3200 Fax: (815) 642-0117 P.O. Box 2242 Sedona, AZ 86339
[FairfieldLife] Re: The health care meltdown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: snip Hopefully you're watching the death throes of an outmoded paradigm. It's got a ways to go yet. The Republicans have a shot at getting back the House and the Senate in 2010 because of the way the administration and the Dems mishandled the process. They ended up not only sabotaging the bill but sabotaging the public perception thereof (or rather, failing to sabotage the Republicans' crusade to shape the public perception their way). One hopes they didn't mess up the bill so badly that it will do more harm than good; but that won't be apparent, either way, for some time yet.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The health care meltdown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: It's really fascinating being in the United States as this momentous bill passes. It's even more fascinating being stuck in a hotel room working and, contrary to my normal habits, watching the 'pundits' on the TV news melt down over this. FOX has gone bull goose loony. There is not even the pretense of fair and balanced. It's pure propaganda, verging on hate crime. If they're not preaching to the camera quoting polls that don't exist, they're playing lead the witness by trying to put words into the mouths of anyone they interview who is even slightly in favor of the bill. It's like watching Off or Shemp melt down when something they believe could never happen happens. Actually, its more like when you meltdown Turq, and start hating on people and chasing them away from FFL -- just like you did here below with this person, and many other times. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Bronte Baxter brontebaxter8@ wrote: Turq and other guru enthusiasts... Bronte and other idiots, take a look at yourselves. You're PROJECTING your own shit, babe. As almost anyone here could tell you, I am no guru enthusiast. Get your own act together before you start bagging others, eh? I didn't even bother to read the rest of your post, and probably won't until you catch a clue. --Turq. in Message 148985 OffWorld
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The health care meltdown
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 12:38 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The health care meltdown --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer r...@... wrote: snip Hopefully you're watching the death throes of an outmoded paradigm. It's got a ways to go yet. The Republicans have a shot at getting back the House and the Senate in 2010 because of the way the administration and the Dems mishandled the process. They ended up not only sabotaging the bill but sabotaging the public perception thereof (or rather, failing to sabotage the Republicans' crusade to shape the public perception their way). One hopes they didn't mess up the bill so badly that it will do more harm than good; but that won't be apparent, either way, for some time yet. I'm thinking bigger-picture, transition into the New Age/Age of Enlightenment kind of stuff. If it's actually happening, then we're watching it happen, although we may be unable to see the forest for the trees.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The health care meltdown
On Mar 22, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Hopefully you're watching the death throes of an outmoded paradigm. Hopefully the win will cause an upsurge in Obama and the Dem's popularity and a downsurge in the Party of NO. On watching how this whole healthcare bill as it transpired and the incredible effort and intellect of Obama in pulling this off, I have a hard time imagining this pulled off by Hillary or any other Dem. It looks like we voted for the right man for the job when we voted for Obama. Super-big high-five to the O-man. Ted Kennedy's smiling down on us all. Hopefully we'll begin to bring all that military money BACK HOME now and start downsizing the military.
[FairfieldLife] CAN one intellectually know enlightenment? (was: Re: Jihadis)
...none of these are my teachers. So, you did not take initiation from the Maharishi and study his system of meditation? Thanks for the correction, Vaj. I always suspected you were fibbing about that. But, your name is 'Vajradhatu', which was founded by the Trungpa Tulku; you once attended a seminar at Nalanda under the direction of Osel Tendzin; you once wrote a letter to, and then met with Swami Rama; you said you once sat at the feet of the Shankaracharya; and you claimed to have studied with the Maharishi for years to become a TM teacher. Go figure, huh? So, I just figured you had at least five teachers. But, now you don't even want to acknowldge the Kalu Rinpoche as one of your Buddhist meditation teachers? That's a hard one to figure out! It has been proved beyond the shadow of a doubt, that at least five of your teachers were probably unethical: Kalu had a secret mistress; Trungpa died from riotous living; your teacher Osel Tendzin died of AIDS; one of your Shankaracharyas is in court accused of murder; and your other guru was convicted of raping a student.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The health care meltdown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: snip It looks like we voted for the right man for the job when we voted for Obama. Super-big high-five to the O-man. Ted Kennedy's smiling down on us all. Ted Kennedy is royally pissed because Obama sacrificed the public option (while pretending to still be for it).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Afghani Jihadist War Heroes -- Was She Shot Him 6 Times
What I meant Willie is that partitioning the territory was a tragic blunder. Unified Judea should be a non-religious state. special Laws should been enacted so that jews who want to settle there come in through LEGAL immigration process like in United States. Muslims who want to settle there also come in through Legal immigration process. The state itself should be non-religious. right now you have ended up creating two fundi racist states. one is like a island holed up inside the other. --- On Mon, 3/22/10, WillyTex willy...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Afghani Jihadist War Heroes -- Was She Shot Him 6 Times Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 10:25 AM Jason: I agree with you on the partition issue. Partitions create artificial states. Kuwait, Taiwan, pakistan. So, do you acknowledge the right of Saudi Arabia to exist as a Muslim nation? If so, then it's hard to see on what grounds you would deny a comparable right to Israel and Jews to build a house in their own land. It leads to years and years of war. It also leads to massive displacement of people. They should have avoided partition What the Palestinians and most other Arabs really want is not partition, but to wipe the Jewish state of Israel out of existence. and enacted a special law by which jews who want to settle there come in by legal immigration procedures. In that case, all the inhabitants of Gaza and the West Bank would have to leave and return to Jordan, Syria, and Egypt, where they came from. nothing wrong with that. Anyone who actively supports the continued existence of Israel as a Jewish nation is a zionist. There's nothing wrong with winning a war, when your enemies all spring on you on a religious holiday. So, when you win a just war, like the Seven Day War, you own the land you fought for, and you can do what you want with it to, to make your country secure. How do you undo the partition and recreate the original Judea? The question is, who should be in control of Jerusalem? Answers to choose from: A. Palestinians/ Muslims B. Israelis/Jews C. It should be under joint control, since it's important to both religions. D. The United Nations Answers: A is clearly anti-semitic. C and D are pretty much equivalent, and both are borderline antisemitism, or possibly just plain ignorance. B makes the most sense, and is the obvious choice if one has any respect at all for Jews and their traditions.. . Read more: Author: Delia Subject: Instant Anti-semitism Test Newsgroups: alt.meditation. transcendental Date: October 31, 2003 http://tinyurl. com/y8676oo
[FairfieldLife] Bush speechwriter David Frum: This is GOPs Waterloo
Waterloo by David Frum http://www.frumforum.com/davidfrum Conservatives and Republicans today suffered their most crushing legislative defeat since the 1960s. It's hard to exaggerate the magnitude of the disaster. Conservatives may cheer themselves that they'll compensate for today's expected vote with a big win in the November 2010 elections. But: (1) It's a good bet that conservatives are over-optimistic about November by then the economy will have improved and the immediate goodies in the healthcare bill will be reaching key voting blocs. (2) So what? Legislative majorities come and go. This healthcare bill is forever. A win in November is very poor compensation for this debacle now. So far, I think a lot of conservatives will agree with me. Now comes the hard lesson: A huge part of the blame for today's disaster attaches to conservatives and Republicans ourselves. At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obama's Waterloo just as healthcare was Clinton's in 1994. Only, the hardliners overlooked a few key facts: Obama was elected with 53% of the vote, not Clinton's 42%. The liberal block within the Democratic congressional caucus is bigger and stronger than it was in 1993-94. And of course the Democrats also remember their history, and also remember the consequences of their 1994 failure. This time, when we went for all the marbles, we ended with none. Could a deal have been reached? Who knows? But we do know that the gap between this plan and traditional Republican ideas is not very big. The Obama plan has a broad family resemblance to Mitt Romney's Massachusetts plan. It builds on ideas developed at the Heritage Foundation in the early 1990s that formed the basis for Republican counter-proposals to Clintoncare in 1993-1994. Barack Obama badly wanted Republican votes for his plan. Could we have leveraged his desire to align the plan more closely with conservative views? To finance it without redistributive taxes on productive enterprise without weighing so heavily on small business without expanding Medicaid? Too late now. They are all the law. No illusions please: This bill will not be repealed. Even if Republicans scored a 1994 style landslide in November, how many votes could we muster to re-open the doughnut hole and charge seniors more for prescription drugs? How many votes to re-allow insurers to rescind policies when they discover a pre-existing condition? How many votes to banish 25 year olds from their parents' insurance coverage? And even if the votes were there would President Obama sign such a repeal? We followed the most radical voices in the party and the movement, and they led us to abject and irreversible defeat. There were leaders who knew better, who would have liked to deal. But they were trapped. Conservative talkers on Fox and talk radio had whipped the Republican voting base into such a frenzy that deal-making was rendered impossible. How do you negotiate with somebody who wants to murder your grandmother? Or more exactly with somebody whom your voters have been persuaded to believe wants to murder their grandmother? I've been on a soapbox for months now about the harm that our overheated talk is doing to us. Yes it mobilizes supporters but by mobilizing them with hysterical accusations and pseudo-information, overheated talk has made it impossible for representatives to represent and elected leaders to lead. The real leaders are on TV and radio, and they have very different imperatives from people in government. Talk radio thrives on confrontation and recrimination. When Rush Limbaugh said that he wanted President Obama to fail, he was intelligently explaining his own interests. What he omitted to say but what is equally true is that he also wants Republicans to fail. If Republicans succeed if they govern successfully in office and negotiate attractive compromises out of office Rush's listeners get less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio less, and hear fewer ads for Sleepnumber beds. So today's defeat for free-market economics and Republican values is a huge win for the conservative entertainment industry. Their listeners and viewers will now be even more enraged, even more frustrated, even more disappointed in everybody except the responsibility-free talkers on television and radio. For them, it's mission accomplished. For the cause they purport to represent, it's Waterloo all right: ours. http://www.frumforum.com/waterloo Cry me a river, David... -jrm
[FairfieldLife] Ted Kennedy is Smiling
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Mar 22, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Hopefully you're watching the death throes of an outmoded paradigm. Hopefully the win will cause an upsurge in Obama and the Dem's popularity and a downsurge in the Party of NO. On watching how this whole healthcare bill as it transpired and the incredible effort and intellect of Obama in pulling this off, I have a hard time imagining this pulled off by Hillary or any other Dem. It looks like we voted for the right man for the job when we voted for Obama. Super-big high-five to the O-man. Ted Kennedy's smiling down on us all. Yes, it was a great victory, after the right-wingnuts showed their true colors over the last year, and Fox News has been exposed as the blatant Lie Machine that it is. Also, now more and more of the more moderate crazies and isolationist libertarians will realize that Fox and others have been feeding them lies about creating communism, forcing people to pay even if they can't afford it, killing grandma, etc., and will start to realize that the bill helps millions, brings Amercia into the civilised world, and that insurance companies cannot make people and companies bankrupt anymore. The passing of this bill will have knock-on effects on society that are MUCH bigger than this bill. It is a water-shed moment. AN AUSPICIOUS DAY for sure ! Right-wingers start to attack right-wingers at this point, and their world of hate will unravel so fast now. Obama may be a reflection of an evolution in national consciousness, just as Maharishi described every leaders' nature and role. But, yes, some way to start visibly winding down the wars will need to happen soon. OffWorld
Re: [FairfieldLife] CAN one intellectually know enlightenment? (was: Re: Jihadis)
I was referring to this statement Willy: On Mar 22, 2010, at 1:55 PM, WillyTex wrote: It has been proved beyond the shadow of a doubt, that at least five of your teachers were probably unethical: Kalu had a secret mistress; Trungpa died from riotous living; your teacher Osel Tendzin died of AIDS; one of your Shankaracharyas is in court accused of murder; and your other guru was convicted of raping a student. And no, I never considered Mahesh my guru, although I liked some of his early teachings when I was younger. Kalu had a karma-mudra. So can anyone desiring such practice, with the proper tantric and yogic initiation. But that's neither here, nor there: he wasn't my teacher.
[FairfieldLife] Trivedi/Guruji
Comments from someone in FF: Trivedi/Guruji was in Fairfield this past weekend. He offers blessings to both groups and individuals. Huge crowd on Wednesday the 17th at Sondheim. Then smaller crowd at Morning Star on Sat the 20th, more individual attention. He's returning to FF on April 18. Group sessions are $15-25. Still powerful. Some knowledge, etc. from him: Earth changing consciousness faster than individuals. Mother Earth's frequency is alpha. If we resonate with Her, then She can meet Her responsibility of taking care of us. People immediately shift to alpha when being blessed by Trivedi. MUM scientist Alaric Arenander tested his wife Cynthia who's been rounding for 3+ years. Her alpha, already high, increased with eyes closed, then dramatically increased when Trivedi did blessing. Conductivity is very important word on this planet, ability to flow energy. 5% of people are super conductors, 20% good conductors. Depends on receiver having low resistance. Trivedi's blessings kick out radioactivity and GMO, even in next generation. Experiments show that he can change size of atom, increase energy bt atoms Experiments also show that: his pituitary is egg-shaped and larger than other humans skin elasticity better than new born baby no plaque in arteries at age of 46 sympathetic and parasympathetic systems run simultaneously does not breathe from diaphragm FF people reported less fear, more happiness, more blissful yogic flying. Final output of blessing is more happiness in all areas of life. Less mental restlessness, more calm, better sleep. On the other hand, Trivedi says that spirit is always resting. Check out Trivedi Foundation for details of research.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The health care meltdown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: snip It looks like we voted for the right man for the job when we voted for Obama. Super-big high-five to the O-man. Ted Kennedy's smiling down on us all. Ted Kennedy is royally pissed because Obama sacrificed the public option (while pretending to still be for it). It is WAY better than any Public Option. It insures millions more, and in time will cover anyone currently not covered. It is now illegal for people to not have coverage, but just like in the past, the Democrats made it illegal for hospitals to refuse someone, and so local, state, and federal funding HAD to cover the treatment costs. As it should be. NOW everyone who is not insured has to have insurance, but THEY do not have to pay a penny if they cannot afford it - it is subsidized by the tax payers now. Those who can afford it, but do not want health insurance of any kind (like Willyltex for example, if he was ever self-employed), it will simply be like a tiny insignificant tax on them that they won't even notice, and they will have to put up or shut up, just like in Britain. And the British like their system, and the health insurance tax (which is seperated out on payroll checks) is the LAST thing they would complain about on their paycheck deductions. I saw this is what Obama was doing a long time ago, and these rules will never be repealed, even if Republicans gain in the Fall --- which they won't. This is a GREAT day for America. This is a watershed moment for America, and due to its influence, for the world. The Neocons and Fundies are dead in the water. Change has come. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trivedi/Guruji
Experiments show that he can change size of atom, increase energy bt atoms 'Holy Ganges', 'Jumping Jellyfish', I want to see this happen. He can change the size of an atom, eh.?? --- On Mon, 3/22/10, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Trivedi/Guruji Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 11:18 AM Comments from someone in FF: Trivedi/Guruji was in Fairfield this past weekend. He offers blessings to both groups and individuals. Huge crowd on Wednesday the 17th at Sondheim. Then smaller crowd at Morning Star on Sat the 20th, more individual attention. He's returning to FF on April 18. Group sessions are $15-25. Still powerful. Some knowledge, etc. from him: Earth changing consciousness faster than individuals. Mother Earth's frequency is alpha. If we resonate with Her, then She can meet Her responsibility of taking care of us. People immediately shift to alpha when being blessed by Trivedi. MUM scientist Alaric Arenander tested his wife Cynthia who's been rounding for 3+ years. Her alpha, already high, increased with eyes closed, then dramatically increased when Trivedi did blessing. Conductivity is very important word on this planet, ability to flow energy. 5% of people are super conductors, 20% good conductors. Depends on receiver having low resistance. Trivedi's blessings kick out radioactivity and GMO, even in next generation. Experiments show that he can change size of atom, increase energy bt atoms Experiments also show that: his pituitary is egg-shaped and larger than other humans skin elasticity better than new born baby no plaque in arteries at age of 46 sympathetic and parasympathetic systems run simultaneously does not breathe from diaphragm FF people reported less fear, more happiness, more blissful yogic flying. Final output of blessing is more happiness in all areas of life. Less mental restlessness, more calm, better sleep. On the other hand, Trivedi says that spirit is always resting. Check out Trivedi Foundation for details of research.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The health care meltdown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: snip Ted Kennedy's smiling down on us all. Ted Kennedy is royally pissed because Obama sacrificed the public option (while pretending to still be for it). It is WAY better than any Public Option. It insures millions more, and in time will cover anyone currently not covered. Oopsie, you need to read up on what the public option would have involved: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_health_insurance_option The public option wasn't *replaced* by anything that's in the bill now. It was an additional option, a low-cost plan offered by the government that would have competed with private plans, lowering premiums and increasing benefits. It wouldn't have resulted in fewer people being covered than will be covered by the current bill.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trivedi/Guruji
Anyone can change the size of an atom. There I just did one myself. See? Oh, you're not advanced enough to know if I did or not? Sucks to be you. Gimme $15. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_sp...@... wrote: Experiments show that he can change size of atom, increase energy bt atoms 'Holy Ganges', 'Jumping Jellyfish', I want to see this happen. He can change the size of an atom, eh.?? --- On Mon, 3/22/10, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Trivedi/Guruji Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 11:18 AM Comments from someone in FF: Trivedi/Guruji was in Fairfield this past weekend. He offers blessings to both groups and individuals. Huge crowd on Wednesday the 17th at Sondheim. Then smaller crowd at Morning Star on Sat the 20th, more individual attention. He's returning to FF on April 18. Group sessions are $15-25. Still powerful. Some knowledge, etc. from him: Earth changing consciousness faster than individuals. Mother Earth's frequency is alpha. If we resonate with Her, then She can meet Her responsibility of taking care of us. People immediately shift to alpha when being blessed by Trivedi. MUM scientist Alaric Arenander tested his wife Cynthia who's been rounding for 3+ years. Her alpha, already high, increased with eyes closed, then dramatically increased when Trivedi did blessing. Conductivity is very important word on this planet, ability to flow energy. 5% of people are super conductors, 20% good conductors. Depends on receiver having low resistance. Trivedi's blessings kick out radioactivity and GMO, even in next generation. Experiments show that he can change size of atom, increase energy bt atoms Experiments also show that: his pituitary is egg-shaped and larger than other humans skin elasticity better than new born baby no plaque in arteries at age of 46 sympathetic and parasympathetic systems run simultaneously does not breathe from diaphragm FF people reported less fear, more happiness, more blissful yogic flying. Final output of blessing is more happiness in all areas of life. Less mental restlessness, more calm, better sleep. On the other hand, Trivedi says that spirit is always resting. Check out Trivedi Foundation for details of research.
[FairfieldLife] Ted Kennedy On Health Care 1978
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhYtMmw9OVk
[FairfieldLife] Re: The health care meltdown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: snip Ted Kennedy's smiling down on us all. Ted Kennedy is royally pissed because Obama sacrificed the public option (while pretending to still be for it). It is WAY better than any Public Option. It insures millions more, and in time will cover anyone currently not covered. Oopsie, you need to read up on what the public option would have involved: I know what the Public Option is. But like I said in the post (try reading next time) -- Quote: This bill is WAY better than any Public Option. It insures millions more, and in time will cover anyone currently not covered. It is now illegal for people to not have coverage, but just like in the past, the Democrats made it illegal for hospitals to refuse someone, and so local, state, and federal funding HAD to cover the treatment costs. As it should be. NOW everyone who is not insured has to have insurance, but THEY do not have to pay a penny if they cannot afford it - it is subsidized by the tax payers now. Those who can afford it, but do not want health insurance of any kind (like Willyltex for example, if he was ever self-employed), it will simply be like a tiny insignificant tax on them that they won't even notice, and they will have to put up or shut up, just like in Britain. And the British like their system, and the health insurance tax (which is seperated out on payroll checks) is the LAST thing they would complain about on their paycheck deductions. I saw this is what Obama was doing a long time ago, and these rules will never be repealed, even if Republicans gain in the Fall --- which they won't. This is a GREAT day for America. This is a watershed moment for America, and due to its influence, for the world. The Neocons and Fundies are dead in the water. Change has come. OffWorld
Re: [FairfieldLife] The health care meltdown
TurquoiseB wrote: It's really fascinating being in the United States as this momentous bill passes. It's even more fascinating being stuck in a hotel room working and, contrary to my normal habits, watching the 'pundits' on the TV news melt down over this. FOX has gone bull goose loony. There is not even the pretense of fair and balanced. It's pure propaganda, verging on hate crime. If they're not preaching to the camera quoting polls that don't exist, they're playing lead the witness by trying to put words into the mouths of anyone they interview who is even slightly in favor of the bill. It's like watching Off or Shemp melt down when something they believe could never happen happens. But on TV. I had C-SPAN on one of the computers here for the last couple hours of the debate while I was doing some work. It was incredible what the subspecies called Republicans (shitheads is more like it). spewed out of their gullets. Many were chanting something though we need to hold them to the next time a war spending bill comes up: the government is bankrupt. Never seem to have heard them say that any other time. As far as I can tell I have no horse in this race because by the time most of this kicks in I'll be on Medicare. I haven't looked over everything but my current plan with the Anthem-Blue Cross crooks is a high deductible and if it were to kick in immediately would they require me to pay a lower deductible plan and I just wouldn't participate. I'm seriously considering leaving the country anyway as the populace is too dumb and gets what it deserves, that is if the US survives at all. We could easily wind up in a road warrior world with local war lords running things. But they've programmed the non-thinking populace (about 80%) into fearing the word socialism but ask any of them to define it and they can't. Capitalism is a Frankenstein Monster that has gone out of control and destroying the world. We need to capture it and put it out of its misery.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The health care meltdown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: snip Ted Kennedy's smiling down on us all. Ted Kennedy is royally pissed because Obama sacrificed the public option (while pretending to still be for it). It is WAY better than any Public Option. It insures millions more, and in time will cover anyone currently not covered. Oopsie, you need to read up on what the public option would have involved: I know what the Public Option is. But like I said in the post (try reading next time) -- Quote: I read what you said. All that would have been the same with the public option, except that there would have been the *additional* component of competition with the private insurance companies to bring down premiums and increase benefits. To say the current bill is better than the public option makes no sense; it's like saying a car without brakes is better than a set of brakes. The public option was a component of the bill, not the bill itself. The bill would have been better with a public option. Again, check Wikipedia so you have some idea what you're talking about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_health_insurance_option This bill is WAY better than any Public Option. It insures millions more, and in time will cover anyone currently not covered. It is now illegal for people to not have coverage, but just like in the past, the Democrats made it illegal for hospitals to refuse someone, and so local, state, and federal funding HAD to cover the treatment costs. As it should be. NOW everyone who is not insured has to have insurance, but THEY do not have to pay a penny if they cannot afford it - it is subsidized by the tax payers now. Those who can afford it, but do not want health insurance of any kind (like Willyltex for example, if he was ever self-employed), it will simply be like a tiny insignificant tax on them that they won't even notice, and they will have to put up or shut up, just like in Britain. And the British like their system, and the health insurance tax (which is seperated out on payroll checks) is the LAST thing they would complain about on their paycheck deductions. I saw this is what Obama was doing a long time ago, and these rules will never be repealed, even if Republicans gain in the Fall --- which they won't. This is a GREAT day for America. This is a watershed moment for America, and due to its influence, for the world. The Neocons and Fundies are dead in the water. Change has come. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Climate gold
1. UK warmists now scaring kids: 'Government has been reduced to rallying support for its reviled global warming schemes by scaring kids' http://www.torontosun.com/comment/editorial/2010/03/19/13291086.html 2. Claim: Climate Change battle has been won -- 'It is unlikely that the U.S. will now implement any drastic program to manage CO2' http://cobourgskeptic.com/archives/611 3. Study: 'Swirling winds' caused record breaking loss of ice in Arctic -- not global warming http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/mar/22/wind-sea-ice-loss-arc\ tic 4. Meteorology Professor slaps down latest Arctic Scare book with foreword by Al Gore http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comme\ nts/overheating_detected_in_arctic#68583 5. Climate Astrology: Flowers losing scent due to global warming: 'Scents in flowers last longer in colder climate as plants can hold on to their essential oils longer' http://news.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/Malaysia/Story/A1Story20100\ 322-206015.html 6. Physicist Bob Park seems to be losing his religion: Now asks: 'Is Earth's climate determined entirely by the Sun, or is there a component of anthropogenic warming?' http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2010/03/another-one-bites-dust-alarmist-b\ ob.html 7. Butterflies freeze in Mexico; CO2 blamed: 'Monarch Butterflies Dwindle Due to Harsh Winter Weather' http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2010/03/butterflies-freeze-in-mexico-carb\ on.html 8. End-phase of the Climate Wars? 'All 3 warmings since 1860 (and MWP) could have exceeded the bounds of natural variability if all were forced by the same external influence' http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/doomed-planet/2010/03/end-phase-of-the\ -climate-wars 9. More than 20 wind farms operating at less than one-fifth full power 'because it's not breezy enough' http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1259573/More-20-wind-farms-oper\ ating-fifth-power-breezy-enough.html# 10. Counter: 'One single map that refutes this entire [warming violence] theory...highest crime rates seem to be in relatively cool countries' http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/03/21/climate-craizness-of-the-week-glo\ bal-warming-leads-to-more-violence/ 11. 'How government cash created the Climategate scandal...Global warming science corrupted by politics and money' http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comme\ nts/how_government_cash_created_the_climategate_scandal#68680 12. 'Irefutable' Study: Global warming can lead to increased violence in human beings -- My study is 'very well researched' claims Psychology Prof. Craig Anderson (c...@iastate.edu) http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/562481/?sc=rsln 13. Greenies Ask: 'Why aren't climate scientists talking about healthcare reform?' http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2010/03/why-arent-climate-scientists-talk\ ing.html 14. WWF hopes to find $60 billion growing on trees: 'Carbon credits scheme would make WWF and its partners much richer, but with no lowering of overall CO2 emissions' http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/7488629\ /WWF-hopes-to-find-60-billion-growing-on-trees.html 15. NASA Scientist's Admissions: We don't currently understand cloud feedbacks; we can't separate man-made from natural climate variations http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2010/03/alarmists-should-be-stunned-by-th\ ese.html 16. Flashback April 2009: Democrats Refuse to Allow Skeptic to Testify Alongside Gore At Congressional Hearing ../../a/429/Flashback-April-2009-Democrats-Refuse-to-Allow-Skeptic-to-T\ estify-Alongside-Gore-At-Congressional-Hearing 17. Flashback: Gore: U.S. Climate Bill Will Help Bring About 'Global Governance' ../../a/1893/Flashback-Gore-US-Climate-Bill-Will-Help-Bring-About-Globa\ l-Governance 18. Read All About it! Climate Depot Exclusive - Continuously Updated 'ClimateGate' News Round Up ../../a/3943/Read-All-About-it-Climate-Depot-Exclusive--Continuously-Up\ dated-ClimateGate-News-Round-Up 19. Watch Now: Climate Depot's Morano on Fox News talking Climategate, UN and latest science ../../a/4401/Watch-Now-Climate-Depots-Morano-on-Fox-News-talking-Climat\ egate-UN-and-latest-science 20. Sec. Chu's assertions 'quite simply being proven wrong by the latest climate data' ../../a/327/Sec-Chus-assertionsnbspquite-simply-being-proven-wrong-by-t\ he-latest-climate-data 21. 'Execute' Skeptics! Shock Call To Action: 'At what point do we jail or execute global warming deniers' -- 'Shouldn't we start punishing them now?' ../../a/1096/Execute-Skeptics-Shock-Call-To-Action-At-what-point-do-we-\ jail-or-execute-global-warming-deniers--Shouldnt-we-start-punishing-them\ -now 22. Climate Depot Aims To Redefine Global Warming Reporting ../../a/40/Climate-Depot-Aims-To-Redefine-Global-Warming-Reporting 23. Earth's 'Fever' Breaks! Global temperatures 'have plunged .74°F since Gore released An Inconvenient Truth'
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The health care meltdown
off_world_beings wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: snip It looks like we voted for the right man for the job when we voted for Obama. Super-big high-five to the O-man. Ted Kennedy's smiling down on us all. Ted Kennedy is royally pissed because Obama sacrificed the public option (while pretending to still be for it). It is WAY better than any Public Option. It insures millions more, and in time will cover anyone currently not covered. It is now illegal for people to not have coverage, but just like in the past, the Democrats made it illegal for hospitals to refuse someone, and so local, state, and federal funding HAD to cover the treatment costs. As it should be. NOW everyone who is not insured has to have insurance, but THEY do not have to pay a penny if they cannot afford it - it is subsidized by the tax payers now. Those who can afford it, but do not want health insurance of any kind (like Willyltex for example, if he was ever self-employed), it will simply be like a tiny insignificant tax on them that they won't even notice, and they will have to put up or shut up, just like in Britain. And the British like their system, and the health insurance tax (which is seperated out on payroll checks) is the LAST thing they would complain about on their paycheck deductions. I saw this is what Obama was doing a long time ago, and these rules will never be repealed, even if Republicans gain in the Fall --- which they won't. This is a GREAT day for America. This is a watershed moment for America, and due to its influence, for the world. The Neocons and Fundies are dead in the water. Change has come. OffWorld I think health insurance should be like car insurance: if you use alternative and preventative medicine to keep yourself healthy you should get a tremendous break on your bill. You get one for being a safe driver on auto insurance so why not health insurance? The problem would be the way the dumbed down way health insurance companies measure things. But the health insurance companies are crooks anyway and need to be regulated out of business or just provide premium care for the elite. And we need to get the AMA out formula too. Let's help people who may not come from a line of doctors become one if they are interested. Groups like the AMA lobby to keep the entrants into medical schools down so the cost of medicine is high. Let's expose this fraud. There are all kinds of things that could be done to reduce the cost of health care. But dummies with health care benefits from work run to the doctor if they even have the sniffles. People need to learn that is not what it is for.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The health care meltdown
Whoa, Off. This bill is a necessary small step in the right direction, not in itself an admirable bill. All of inefficient stake holders in the health care industry are boosted by this bill. Private health insurance companies, exhorbitantly-priced pharmaceuticals, for-profit and non-profits who act as for-profit hospitals and health care personell will all see a boost from this bill. The inefficiencies and profit motivation of the private health insurance industry are still in place, despite this bill. How is that admirable, when 40% of health insurance premiums will still go to profits and administrative overhead. Had I not been paying attention to the issue for the past decade and was presented today's headlines and stories on the bill, I'd have thought the Republicans sponsored the bill, because this bill favors the Republican party's interests. Hopefully, this bill is a small step toward a single-payer healthcare system which hopefully will be funded by the top 15% of the U.S. population who've disproportionately benefitted most over the past 30 years. The Republicans, normally loathe to advocate for tax increases, will now advocate FOR a national sales tax, which as a regressive tax would place a greater burden on low-income and middle-class taxpayers. Charles Krauthammer, a conservative columnist, today proposed a national sales tax to pay for healthcare costs. Republicans represent the wealthiest among us, and they will begin to advocate for a national sales tax, to protect the interest of the wealthies among us. -Mainstream --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: snip It looks like we voted for the right man for the job when we voted for Obama. Super-big high-five to the O-man. Ted Kennedy's smiling down on us all. Ted Kennedy is royally pissed because Obama sacrificed the public option (while pretending to still be for it). It is WAY better than any Public Option. It insures millions more, and in time will cover anyone currently not covered. It is now illegal for people to not have coverage, but just like in the past, the Democrats made it illegal for hospitals to refuse someone, and so local, state, and federal funding HAD to cover the treatment costs. As it should be. NOW everyone who is not insured has to have insurance, but THEY do not have to pay a penny if they cannot afford it - it is subsidized by the tax payers now. Those who can afford it, but do not want health insurance of any kind (like Willyltex for example, if he was ever self-employed), it will simply be like a tiny insignificant tax on them that they won't even notice, and they will have to put up or shut up, just like in Britain. And the British like their system, and the health insurance tax (which is seperated out on payroll checks) is the LAST thing they would complain about on their paycheck deductions. I saw this is what Obama was doing a long time ago, and these rules will never be repealed, even if Republicans gain in the Fall --- which they won't. This is a GREAT day for America. This is a watershed moment for America, and due to its influence, for the world. The Neocons and Fundies are dead in the water. Change has come. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush speechwriter David Frum: This is GOPs Waterloo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: snip No illusions please: This bill will not be repealed. Even if Republicans scored a 1994 style landslide in November, how many votes could we muster to re-open the doughnut hole and charge seniors more for prescription drugs? [etc.] True, BUT: The Republicans will use the *threat* of repeal to get votes in November, and they'll get at least some because their base won't realize it can't be repealed, and the Democrats are too chicken to call the Republicans liars, just as they have been throughout this ordeal. And if the Republicans *do* manage to take over the majorities, the rest of Obama's agenda is down the tubes-- regulation and global warming and withdrawal from Afghanistan and everything else we need to get done. The Republicans are beyond the pale. But if the Democrats had only had some spine, they could have discredited the Republicans from the start. And if Obama hadn't been so entranced by his vision of himself as the great bipartisan hero, the bill we have now wouldn't be such a clunker. We had the majorities; we could have gotten through a much better bill by bulldozing the Republicans.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The health care meltdown
Whoa, Off. This bill is a necessary small step in the right direction, not in itself an admirable bill. All of inefficient stake holders in the health care industry are boosted by this bill. Private health insurance companies, exhorbitantly-priced pharmaceuticals, for-profit and non-profits who act as for-profit hospitals and health care personell will all see a boost from this bill. The inefficiencies and profit motivation of the private health insurance industry are still in place, despite this bill. How is that admirable, when 40% of health insurance premiums will still go to profits and administrative overhead. Had I not been paying attention to the issue for the past decade and was presented today's headlines and stories on the bill, I'd have thought the Republicans sponsored the bill, because this bill favors the Republican party's interests. Hopefully, this bill is a small step toward a single-payer healthcare system which hopefully will be funded by the top 15% of the U.S. population who've disproportionately benefitted most over the past 30 years. The Republicans, normally loathe to advocate for tax increases, will now advocate FOR a national sales tax, which as a regressive tax would place a greater burden on low-income and middle-class taxpayers. Charles Krauthammer, a conservative columnist, today proposed a national sales tax to pay for healthcare costs. Republicans represent the wealthiest among us, and they will begin to advocate for a national sales tax, to divert attention away from any move toward re-establishing a progressive tax system. -Mainstream --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: snip It looks like we voted for the right man for the job when we voted for Obama. Super-big high-five to the O-man. Ted Kennedy's smiling down on us all. Ted Kennedy is royally pissed because Obama sacrificed the public option (while pretending to still be for it). It is WAY better than any Public Option. It insures millions more, and in time will cover anyone currently not covered. It is now illegal for people to not have coverage, but just like in the past, the Democrats made it illegal for hospitals to refuse someone, and so local, state, and federal funding HAD to cover the treatment costs. As it should be. NOW everyone who is not insured has to have insurance, but THEY do not have to pay a penny if they cannot afford it - it is subsidized by the tax payers now. Those who can afford it, but do not want health insurance of any kind (like Willyltex for example, if he was ever self-employed), it will simply be like a tiny insignificant tax on them that they won't even notice, and they will have to put up or shut up, just like in Britain. And the British like their system, and the health insurance tax (which is seperated out on payroll checks) is the LAST thing they would complain about on their paycheck deductions. I saw this is what Obama was doing a long time ago, and these rules will never be repealed, even if Republicans gain in the Fall --- which they won't. This is a GREAT day for America. This is a watershed moment for America, and due to its influence, for the world. The Neocons and Fundies are dead in the water. Change has come. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: The health care meltdown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20...@... wrote: Whoa, Off. This bill is a necessary small step in the right direction, not in itself an admirable bill. All of inefficient stake holders in the health care industry are boosted by this bill. Private health insurance companies, exhorbitantly-priced pharmaceuticals, for-profit and non-profits who act as for-profit hospitals and health care personell will all see a boost from this bill. The inefficiencies and profit motivation of the private health insurance industry are still in place, despite this bill. Exactly right. This is what the public option would have been able to curb to some extent, by introducing competition.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The health care meltdown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: snip I had C-SPAN on one of the computers here for the last couple hours of the debate while I was doing some work. It was incredible what the subspecies called Republicans (shitheads is more like it). spewed out of their gullets. It was appalling. And it was *all grandstanding*, because they knew the Dems had the votes to pass the bill. They've known it ever since Pelosi scheduled the vote.
[FairfieldLife] Healthcare Barometrics
Healthcare BarometricsBy Raj http://rajpatel.org/author/raj/ on 03/22/2010 in Uncategorized http://rajpatel.org/category/uncategorized/ The Congressional healthcare melodrama here in the US took another twist today, with the passage of the House version of the bill. The mediocre bill will become worse in the Senate on Tuesday. The tragedy, of course, is that single-payer healthcare was always the most sensible option. Underlying the dire need for bigger thinking is a recent report from Amnesty International, as covered by a terrific article by Michelle Chen on RaceWire http://www.racewire.org/archives/2010/03/death_by_birth_race_and_matern\ al_mortality.html , about maternal mortality rates. According to Amnesty Maternal mortality ratios have increased from 6.6 deaths per 100,000 live births in 1987 to 13.3 deaths per 100,000 live births in 2006. While some of the recorded increase is due to improved data collection, the fact remains that maternal mortality ratios have risen significantly. The USA spends more than any other country on health care, and more on maternal health than any other type of hospital care. Despite this, women in the USA have a higher risk of dying of pregnancy-related complications than those in 40 other countries. For example, the likelihood of a woman dying in childbirth in the USA is five times greater than in Greece, four times greater than in Germany, and three times greater than in Spain. African-American women are nearly four times more likely to die of pregnancy-related complications than white women. These rates and disparities have not improved in more than 20 years. Even in the best case, the benefits of this reform will only begin in 2014. Between now and then, over a thousand women will die just so we can carry on learning that the only way to get healthcare is to pay for it. Full report here http://www.amnestyusa.org/demand-dignity/maternal-health-is-a-human-rig\ ht/the-united-states/page.do?id=1351091 . http://rajpatel.org/ http://rajpatel.org/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trivedi/Guruji
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Comments from someone in FF: Trivedi/Guruji was in Fairfield this past weekend. He offers blessings to both groups and individuals. Huge crowd on Wednesday the 17th at Sondheim. Then smaller crowd at Morning Star on Sat the 20th, more individual attention. He's returning to FF on April 18. Group sessions are $15-25. Still powerful. Some knowledge, etc. from him: Earth changing consciousness faster than individuals. Mother Earth's frequency is alpha. If we resonate with Her, then She can meet Her responsibility of taking care of us. People immediately shift to alpha when being blessed by Trivedi. MUM scientist Alaric Arenander tested his wife Cynthia who's been rounding for 3+ years. Her alpha, already high, increased with eyes closed, then dramatically increased when Trivedi did blessing. Conductivity is very important word on this planet, ability to flow energy. 5% of people are super conductors, 20% good conductors. Depends on receiver having low resistance. Trivedi's blessings kick out radioactivity and GMO, even in next generation. Experiments show that he can change size of atom, increase energy bt atoms Experiments also show that: his pituitary is egg-shaped and larger than other humans skin elasticity better than new born baby no plaque in arteries at age of 46 sympathetic and parasympathetic systems run simultaneously does not breathe from diaphragm FF people reported less fear, more happiness, more blissful yogic flying. Final output of blessing is more happiness in all areas of life. Less mental restlessness, more calm, better sleep. Yep, more vivid experience in meditation practice. Alot of juice in the practice of healing too. That's the real deal in spiritual practice. On the other hand, Trivedi says that spirit is always resting. Check out Trivedi Foundation for details of research.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bush speechwriter David Frum: This is GOPs Waterloo
On Mar 22, 2010, at 12:59 PM, do.rflex wrote: My favorite part: No illusions please: This bill will not be repealed. Even if Republicans scored a 1994 style landslide in November, how many votes could we muster to re-open the doughnut hole and charge seniors more for prescription drugs? How many votes to re-allow insurers to rescind policies when they discover a pre-existing condition? How many votes to banish 25 year olds from their parents' insurance coverage? And even if the votes were there – would President Obama sign such a repeal? So he's saying, in effect, that the bill is a disaster because seniors *can't* be overcharged for their medicine, insurers can no longer rescind policies, and young adults can no longer be kicked off of their parents' policies, which before left many uninsured. That's what he considers a disaster. What a schmuck. We followed the most radical voices in the party and the movement, and they led us to abject and irreversible defeat. And let's hope the party of perversion goes the same way--quickly. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The health care meltdown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: off_world_beings wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: snip It looks like we voted for the right man for the job when we voted for Obama. Super-big high-five to the O-man. Ted Kennedy's smiling down on us all. Ted Kennedy is royally pissed because Obama sacrificed the public option (while pretending to still be for it). It is WAY better than any Public Option. It insures millions more, and in time will cover anyone currently not covered. It is now illegal for people to not have coverage, but just like in the past, the Democrats made it illegal for hospitals to refuse someone, and so local, state, and federal funding HAD to cover the treatment costs. As it should be. NOW everyone who is not insured has to have insurance, but THEY do not have to pay a penny if they cannot afford it - it is subsidized by the tax payers now. Those who can afford it, but do not want health insurance of any kind (like Willyltex for example, if he was ever self-employed), it will simply be like a tiny insignificant tax on them that they won't even notice, and they will have to put up or shut up, just like in Britain. And the British like their system, and the health insurance tax (which is seperated out on payroll checks) is the LAST thing they would complain about on their paycheck deductions. I saw this is what Obama was doing a long time ago, and these rules will never be repealed, even if Republicans gain in the Fall --- which they won't. This is a GREAT day for America. This is a watershed moment for America, and due to its influence, for the world. The Neocons and Fundies are dead in the water. Change has come. OffWorld I think health insurance should be like car insurance: if you use alternative and preventative medicine to keep yourself healthy you should get a tremendous break on your bill. You get one for being a safe driver on auto insurance so why not health insurance? In one sense insurance companies already do that; in another sense, they don't. If you have a group insurance policy through work, you'll pay the same rate as everyone else in your demographic group (age and gender) whether you are sick as a dog or as healthy as Superman. If you have an individual policy you can not only be rated but have certain pre-existing conditions excluded from coverage. And you can be declined for coverage. You can't be declined under a group policy (although there may be waiting periods for pre-existing conditions). Life insurance of course rates people and declines them as well. The problem would be the way the dumbed down way health insurance companies measure things. But the health insurance companies are crooks anyway and need to be regulated out of business or just provide premium care for the elite. And we need to get the AMA out formula too. That point, for me, is the biggest bone of contention I have about the whole thing. For all their talk about free markets, I never hear much from the conservative side about breaking the AMA monopoly. And this should be something of concern for the kinds of folks that read FFL because, I assume, we've all tried various forms of alternative medicines, including Ayur-Veda. Well, for starters, let's let other associations provide rules for western medicine as well as the AMA (which can control supply of doctors) as well as putting alternative medicines and practitioners on a par with those licensed under the AMA. Let's help people who may not come from a line of doctors become one if they are interested. Groups like the AMA lobby to keep the entrants into medical schools down so the cost of medicine is high. Precisely! (I actually wrote what I did above before I read this by Bhairitu). Bhairitu, you are talking like a true free-marketer! You should go to the Ludwig Von Mises site; they've got great articles on the AMA monopoly. Let's expose this fraud. There are all kinds of things that could be done to reduce the cost of health care. But dummies with health care benefits from work run to the doctor if they even have the sniffles. People need to learn that is not what it is for. ...and now you're sounding like Rush Limbaugh (I mean that as a complement) because he talks a lot about how health insurance should NOT be paying for doctor's visits and all that but for catastrophic coverage. By the way, there are many in the insurance industry that want to see high deductible insurance policies made available but, apparently, the government makes it difficult for such policies to come into existance. I'm not up on it enough to know the reasons why, but high deductible healthcare policies may be the wave of the future.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush speechwriter David Frum: This is GOPs Waterloo
Canadians reading this forum will know that David Frum's mother, the late Barbara Frum, was considered the Edward R. Murrow or, perhaps, the Walter Cronkite of Canadian Television News. She was untouchable as a journalist and anchored the CBC Evening News for years. Frum once interviewed Maharishi. It was the ONLY interview I have EVER seen of him before or since that was done with such incredibly well-done research...and done with such intelligence. If you read the transcript you would have thought that a TM teacher had prepared the questions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Mar 22, 2010, at 12:59 PM, do.rflex wrote: My favorite part: No illusions please: This bill will not be repealed. Even if Republicans scored a 1994 style landslide in November, how many votes could we muster to re-open the doughnut hole and charge seniors more for prescription drugs? How many votes to re-allow insurers to rescind policies when they discover a pre-existing condition? How many votes to banish 25 year olds from their parents' insurance coverage? And even if the votes were there would President Obama sign such a repeal? So he's saying, in effect, that the bill is a disaster because seniors *can't* be overcharged for their medicine, insurers can no longer rescind policies, and young adults can no longer be kicked off of their parents' policies, which before left many uninsured. That's what he considers a disaster. What a schmuck. We followed the most radical voices in the party and the movement, and they led us to abject and irreversible defeat. And let's hope the party of perversion goes the same way--quickly. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Healthcare Barometrics
Another thing too, comfortable people do not think about:http://www.king5.com/news/local/Death-with-dignity-no-easy-way-out-88276107.html His right to end his life and what about the right to be left alone by the irs? Maybe if the man did not have foreclosure and people picking from his bones while still alive, he may have lived a couple of more years enjoying his family and friends and maybe a few alternative treatments could have him in better spirits, but how could anyone enjoy anything with that much going on...we will be seeing more of this type of thing, these coming years with forced healthcare and the irs as its usher and guide. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 22 March, 2010 2:44:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Healthcare Barometrics Healthcare BarometricsBy Rajon 03/22/2010 in Uncategorized The Congressional healthcare melodrama here in the US took another twist today, with the passage of the House version of the bill. The mediocre bill will become worse in the Senate on Tuesday. The tragedy, of course, is that single-payer healthcare was always the most sensible option. Underlying the dire need for bigger thinking is a recent report from Amnesty International, as covered by a terrific article by Michelle Chen on RaceWire, about maternal mortality rates. According to Amnesty Maternal mortality ratios have increased from 6.6 deaths per 100,000 live births in 1987 to 13.3 deaths per 100,000 live births in 2006. While some of the recorded increase is due to improved data collection, the fact remains that maternal mortality ratios have risen significantly. The USA spends more than any other country on health care, and more on maternal health than any other type of hospital care. Despite this, women in the USA have a higher risk of dying of pregnancy-related complications than those in 40 other countries. For example, the likelihood of a woman dying in childbirth in the USA is five times greater than in Greece, four times greater than in Germany, and three times greater than in Spain. African-American women are nearly four times more likely to die of pregnancy-related complications than white women. These rates and disparities have not improved in more than 20 years. Even in the best case, the benefits of this reform will only begin in 2014. Between now and then, over a thousand women will die just so we can carry on learning that the only way to get healthcare is to pay for it. Full report here. http://rajpatel. org/ The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The health care meltdown
ShempMcGurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: off_world_beings wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: snip It looks like we voted for the right man for the job when we voted for Obama. Super-big high-five to the O-man. Ted Kennedy's smiling down on us all. Ted Kennedy is royally pissed because Obama sacrificed the public option (while pretending to still be for it). It is WAY better than any Public Option. It insures millions more, and in time will cover anyone currently not covered. It is now illegal for people to not have coverage, but just like in the past, the Democrats made it illegal for hospitals to refuse someone, and so local, state, and federal funding HAD to cover the treatment costs. As it should be. NOW everyone who is not insured has to have insurance, but THEY do not have to pay a penny if they cannot afford it - it is subsidized by the tax payers now. Those who can afford it, but do not want health insurance of any kind (like Willyltex for example, if he was ever self-employed), it will simply be like a tiny insignificant tax on them that they won't even notice, and they will have to put up or shut up, just like in Britain. And the British like their system, and the health insurance tax (which is seperated out on payroll checks) is the LAST thing they would complain about on their paycheck deductions. I saw this is what Obama was doing a long time ago, and these rules will never be repealed, even if Republicans gain in the Fall --- which they won't. This is a GREAT day for America. This is a watershed moment for America, and due to its influence, for the world. The Neocons and Fundies are dead in the water. Change has come. OffWorld I think health insurance should be like car insurance: if you use alternative and preventative medicine to keep yourself healthy you should get a tremendous break on your bill. You get one for being a safe driver on auto insurance so why not health insurance? In one sense insurance companies already do that; in another sense, they don't. If you have a group insurance policy through work, you'll pay the same rate as everyone else in your demographic group (age and gender) whether you are sick as a dog or as healthy as Superman. If you have an individual policy you can not only be rated but have certain pre-existing conditions excluded from coverage. And you can be declined for coverage. You can't be declined under a group policy (although there may be waiting periods for pre-existing conditions). Life insurance of course rates people and declines them as well. When I went off the COBRA and called the insurance company to set up a new policy the agent mentioned something about being overweight and I said, I suppose everyone at Blue Cross is all fit and trim. Big pause on the other end of the line. Well, she said, if you aren't going to be using insurance that much then we have these higher deductible policies Hehe, wasn't going to trot out the cheaper policies unless I forced them to I guess. Now my question without having to wade through those horribly formatted PDFs of the bill is will I be forced to pay for a more expensive premium right away because they won't be allowing high deductible any more? I'll fight that. Or hey, maybe I can become a guru too and scam people to cover the extra for my insurance premiums. Maybe I can write a book on how to be a scam guru. That's the ticket! The problem would be the way the dumbed down way health insurance companies measure things. But the health insurance companies are crooks anyway and need to be regulated out of business or just provide premium care for the elite. And we need to get the AMA out formula too. That point, for me, is the biggest bone of contention I have about the whole thing. For all their talk about free markets, I never hear much from the conservative side about breaking the AMA monopoly. And this should be something of concern for the kinds of folks that read FFL because, I assume, we've all tried various forms of alternative medicines, including Ayur-Veda. Well, for starters, let's let other associations provide rules for western medicine as well as the AMA (which can control supply of doctors) as well as putting alternative medicines and practitioners on a par with those licensed under the AMA. It's easy for organized medicine to call a lot of stuff quackery because they can trust the public won't know any better. I have to laugh at how many things 30 years ago was considered quackery but now a part of mainstream medicine. Let's help people who may not come from a line of doctors become one if they are interested.
[FairfieldLife] FAIRFIELD SPECIAL SCHOOL ELECTION APRIL 6th
A hot local issue: Subject: Re: - FAIRFIELD SPECIAL SCHOOL ELECTION Ed, The vote is April 6th. There are many things involved. You can go to www.fairfieldsfuture.org and click on April 6th Referendum on the left side of the main page. This will give you some information from the school district's point of view. This vote is the most local opportunity we have to make a difference in the ever increasing tax burden issue. They want to raise our property taxes up to $4.05 per $1000.00 of assessed value. If this passes, our district will have the highest taxed bond referendum in the state of Iowa. I am very opposed to this and their proposed spending plans. They have continued to spend blindly even in the most recent meetings, passing expenditures with plans of getting this passed. I want to get the word out to as many people as possible. I would be happy to speak with you and anyone else who has a concern for our local economy and taxation situation. The school board just last week voted to close Lincoln Elementary School for the reason (they say) to save money because the district is seeing a shortfall in enrollment. Then at the same meeting, they discuss adding on to the high school. They talk poor and spend rich! We need to stop them and make them accountable for every penny they spend of our money! Please help us stop this...it is NOT the time to raise taxes AGAIN! If you have any further questions please call me! 641-472-0380 -Carol Lee :-( Didn't they promise in the Ledger that this referendum would not cost more thanabout 30 million dollars? YES, I WANT MY CHILDREN TO RECEIVE THE BEST EDUCATION POSSIBLE BUT NO, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE CURRENT SCHOOL BOARD HAS EDUCATION IN PRIORITY. THE SCHOOL BOARD SEES OUR TAX DOLLARS AS AN EASY MEANS TO CONTINUE A BAD SPENDING HABIT. AS VOTING CITIZENS OF THE FAIRFIELD COMMUNITY SCHOOL DISTRICT- WE HAVE A VOICE - LET IT BE HEARD! I ATTENDED EVERY MEETING REGARDING THE CLOSURE OF LINCOLN ELEMENTARY AND THE MOVE OF THE FIFTH GRADE TO MIDDLE SCHOOL. A FEW PERSONS SPOKE UP AT THE MEETINGS IN AN ATTEMPT DISSUADE THE ALREADY CONCRETE MINDS OF THE BOARD MEMBERS (ASIDE FROM MR. WAUGH) (THE ONLY ONE BRAVE ENOUGH TO CAST A NO VOTE). THE SCHOOL BOARD LET US KNOW THAT THEY WOULD NOT LISTEN TO THE VOICES OF A FEW - BUT THEY MUST LISTEN TO THE VOICES OF THE MANY! IF YOU SUPPORT ME IN THE NO (DON'T RAISE OUR TAXES UNDER THE GUISE OF EDUCATION) VOTE, PLEASE CONTACT ME. I ENCOURAGE YOUR EMAIL RESPONSES AND OR PHONE CALLS. CAROL LEE KESSEL 641-472-0380 CELL: 641-233-0092 EMAIL: silverla...@iowatelecom.net WE CANNOT AFFORD TO BE COMPLACENT ANY LONGER!
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The health care meltdown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: snip Ted Kennedy's smiling down on us all. Ted Kennedy is royally pissed because Obama sacrificed the public option (while pretending to still be for it). It is WAY better than any Public Option. It insures millions more, and in time will cover anyone currently not covered. Oopsie, you need to read up on what the public option would have involved: I know what the Public Option is. But like I said in the post (try reading next time) -- Quote: I read what you said. All that would have been the same with the public option, except that there would have been the *additional* component of competition with the private insurance companies to bring down premiums and increase benefits. To say the current bill is better than the public option makes no sense; it's like saying a car without brakes is better than a set of brakes. I can assure you, it is a much better option. A public option would not have worked to bring down insurance costs unless you pumped tons of taxpayer money into it. Now what you have is restraints on insurance companies, which will slowly translate into less of the rampant use of needless costly technologies, and eventually the big pharma will have to get more reasonable in pricing to get the larger mareket that is now out there - (eg. millions more insured and therefore able to pay for medicines and treatments.) It will be the market that decides, and that means, an insurance company will compete with lower rates, but work with and doctors who are more careful about giving expensive unneccessary treatments - that in the past made them money (like MRI scans for someone with an upset stomache -- seriously, they tried to give it to a friend of mine who simple had some acidity in her stomache. And the doctors make money from that, and the MRI manufactureres and the politicians too. ) Now the focus will not be on getting the most expensive charges to a smaller pool of people. Now the inseentive will be to gain as much of the client base as possible -- which will eventually be a potential 300 million paying customers -- all of whom can pay due to required insurance. Now, an insurance company will start to offer lower rates because EVERYONE has to get insured, and they want to capture as much of that market as possible, and encourage the use of doctors who are not in that money-vice, and prices will go down. But fret not, there is a bill in congress now, to let anyone buy into Medicare. Get the word out. Alan Grayson is the sponsor. The change has come. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: FAIRFIELD SPECIAL SCHOOL ELECTION APRIL 6th
FFSD is seeking an increase of property tax levy from $2.70 / $1,000 to $4.05 / $1,000. Sounds rich, particularly for Iowa, which has managed to produce excellent public education at the existing lower levy. What is particularly troubling is the referendum provides no recourse for renewal, but could allow the higher rate of taxation indefinitely. That's a cardinal no - no, IMHO. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: A hot local issue: Subject: Re: - FAIRFIELD SPECIAL SCHOOL ELECTION Ed, The vote is April 6th. There are many things involved. You can go to www.fairfieldsfuture.org and click on April 6th Referendum on the left side of the main page. This will give you some information from the school district's point of view. This vote is the most local opportunity we have to make a difference in the ever increasing tax burden issue. They want to raise our property taxes up to $4.05 per $1000.00 of assessed value. If this passes, our district will have the highest taxed bond referendum in the state of Iowa. I am very opposed to this and their proposed spending plans. They have continued to spend blindly even in the most recent meetings, passing expenditures with plans of getting this passed. I want to get the word out to as many people as possible. I would be happy to speak with you and anyone else who has a concern for our local economy and taxation situation. The school board just last week voted to close Lincoln Elementary School for the reason (they say) to save money because the district is seeing a shortfall in enrollment. Then at the same meeting, they discuss adding on to the high school. They talk poor and spend rich! We need to stop them and make them accountable for every penny they spend of our money! Please help us stop this...it is NOT the time to raise taxes AGAIN! If you have any further questions please call me! 641-472-0380 -Carol Lee :-( Didn't they promise in the Ledger that this referendum would not cost more thanabout 30 million dollars? YES, I WANT MY CHILDREN TO RECEIVE THE BEST EDUCATION POSSIBLE BUT NO, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE CURRENT SCHOOL BOARD HAS EDUCATION IN PRIORITY. THE SCHOOL BOARD SEES OUR TAX DOLLARS AS AN EASY MEANS TO CONTINUE A BAD SPENDING HABIT. AS VOTING CITIZENS OF THE FAIRFIELD COMMUNITY SCHOOL DISTRICT- WE HAVE A VOICE - LET IT BE HEARD! I ATTENDED EVERY MEETING REGARDING THE CLOSURE OF LINCOLN ELEMENTARY AND THE MOVE OF THE FIFTH GRADE TO MIDDLE SCHOOL. A FEW PERSONS SPOKE UP AT THE MEETINGS IN AN ATTEMPT DISSUADE THE ALREADY CONCRETE MINDS OF THE BOARD MEMBERS (ASIDE FROM MR. WAUGH) (THE ONLY ONE BRAVE ENOUGH TO CAST A NO VOTE). THE SCHOOL BOARD LET US KNOW THAT THEY WOULD NOT LISTEN TO THE VOICES OF A FEW - BUT THEY MUST LISTEN TO THE VOICES OF THE MANY! IF YOU SUPPORT ME IN THE NO (DON'T RAISE OUR TAXES UNDER THE GUISE OF EDUCATION) VOTE, PLEASE CONTACT ME. I ENCOURAGE YOUR EMAIL RESPONSES AND OR PHONE CALLS. CAROL LEE KESSEL 641-472-0380 CELL: 641-233-0092 EMAIL: silverla...@... WE CANNOT AFFORD TO BE COMPLACENT ANY LONGER!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trivedi/Guruji
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Comments from someone in FF: Trivedi/Guruji was in Fairfield this past weekend. He offers blessings to both groups and individuals. Huge crowd on Wednesday the 17th at Sondheim. Then smaller crowd at Morning Star on Sat the 20th, more individual attention. He's returning to FF on April 18. Group sessions are $15-25. Still powerful. Some knowledge, etc. from him: Earth changing consciousness faster than individuals. Mother Earth's frequency is alpha. If we resonate with Her, then She can meet Her responsibility of taking care of us. People immediately shift to alpha when being blessed by Trivedi. MUM scientist Alaric Arenander tested his wife Cynthia who's been rounding for 3+ years. Her alpha, already high, increased with eyes closed, then dramatically increased when Trivedi did blessing. I am certainly out of touch with the latest in the TMO, but I thought Aleric and his wife were real TB's and so would never visit someone of the program. IF people like this go and see other saints and healers, then the TMO will stop shunning folks who do. Conductivity is very important word on this planet, ability to flow energy. 5% of people are super conductors, 20% good conductors. Depends on receiver having low resistance. Trivedi's blessings kick out radioactivity and GMO, even in next generation. Experiments show that he can change size of atom, increase energy bt atoms Experiments also show that: his pituitary is egg-shaped and larger than other humans skin elasticity better than new born baby no plaque in arteries at age of 46 sympathetic and parasympathetic systems run simultaneously does not breathe from diaphragm FF people reported less fear, more happiness, more blissful yogic flying. Final output of blessing is more happiness in all areas of life. Less mental restlessness, more calm, better sleep. On the other hand, Trivedi says that spirit is always resting. Check out Trivedi Foundation for details of research.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush speechwriter David Frum: This is GOPs Waterloo
The blame can be squarley blamed on religion. The religious fundamentalists destroyed the Republican party -- it goes way back to Billy Graham's influence over them in the 1960's. A close friend of the Bush's, and Reagan, and Nixon. Christian fundamentalism on the one side, and outright greed on the other, destroyed the Republican party. OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: Waterloo by David Frum http://www.frumforum.com/davidfrum http://www.frumforum.com/davidfrum Conservatives and Republicans today suffered their most crushing legislative defeat since the 1960s. It's hard to exaggerate the magnitude of the disaster. Conservatives may cheer themselves that they'll compensate for today's expected vote with a big win in the November 2010 elections. But: (1) It's a good bet that conservatives are over-optimistic about November by then the economy will have improved and the immediate goodies in the healthcare bill will be reaching key voting blocs. (2) So what? Legislative majorities come and go. This healthcare bill is forever. A win in November is very poor compensation for this debacle now. So far, I think a lot of conservatives will agree with me. Now comes the hard lesson: A huge part of the blame for today's disaster attaches to conservatives and Republicans ourselves. At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obama's Waterloo just as healthcare was Clinton's in 1994. Only, the hardliners overlooked a few key facts: Obama was elected with 53% of the vote, not Clinton's 42%. The liberal block within the Democratic congressional caucus is bigger and stronger than it was in 1993-94. And of course the Democrats also remember their history, and also remember the consequences of their 1994 failure. This time, when we went for all the marbles, we ended with none. Could a deal have been reached? Who knows? But we do know that the gap between this plan and traditional Republican ideas is not very big. The Obama plan has a broad family resemblance to Mitt Romney's Massachusetts plan. It builds on ideas developed at the Heritage Foundation in the early 1990s that formed the basis for Republican counter-proposals to Clintoncare in 1993-1994. Barack Obama badly wanted Republican votes for his plan. Could we have leveraged his desire to align the plan more closely with conservative views? To finance it without redistributive taxes on productive enterprise without weighing so heavily on small business without expanding Medicaid? Too late now. They are all the law. No illusions please: This bill will not be repealed. Even if Republicans scored a 1994 style landslide in November, how many votes could we muster to re-open the doughnut hole and charge seniors more for prescription drugs? How many votes to re-allow insurers to rescind policies when they discover a pre-existing condition? How many votes to banish 25 year olds from their parents' insurance coverage? And even if the votes were there would President Obama sign such a repeal? We followed the most radical voices in the party and the movement, and they led us to abject and irreversible defeat. There were leaders who knew better, who would have liked to deal. But they were trapped. Conservative talkers on Fox and talk radio had whipped the Republican voting base into such a frenzy that deal-making was rendered impossible. How do you negotiate with somebody who wants to murder your grandmother? Or more exactly with somebody whom your voters have been persuaded to believe wants to murder their grandmother? I've been on a soapbox for months now about the harm that our overheated talk is doing to us. Yes it mobilizes supporters but by mobilizing them with hysterical accusations and pseudo-information, overheated talk has made it impossible for representatives to represent and elected leaders to lead. The real leaders are on TV and radio, and they have very different imperatives from people in government. Talk radio thrives on confrontation and recrimination. When Rush Limbaugh said that he wanted President Obama to fail, he was intelligently explaining his own interests. What he omitted to say but what is equally true is that he also wants Republicans to fail. If Republicans succeed if they govern successfully in office and negotiate attractive compromises out of office Rush's listeners get less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio less, and hear fewer ads for Sleepnumber beds. So today's defeat for free-market economics and Republican values is a huge win for the conservative entertainment industry.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush speechwriter David Frum: This is GOPs Waterloo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Mar 22, 2010, at 12:59 PM, do.rflex wrote: My favorite part: No illusions please: This bill will not be repealed. Even if Republicans scored a 1994 style landslide in November, how many votes could we muster to re-open the doughnut hole and charge seniors more for prescription drugs? How many votes to re-allow insurers to rescind policies when they discover a pre-existing condition? How many votes to banish 25 year olds from their parents' insurance coverage? And even if the votes were there would President Obama sign such a repeal? So he's saying, in effect, that the bill is a disaster because seniors *can't* be overcharged for their medicine, insurers can no longer rescind policies, and young adults can no longer be kicked off of their parents' policies, which before left many uninsured. That's what he considers a disaster. No, that is *not* what he considers a disasater. Read the whole article, dimwit. Never mind, it wouldn't help. What a schmuck. What an idiot.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trivedi/Guruji
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wayback71 Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 5:07 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trivedi/Guruji I am certainly out of touch with the latest in the TMO, but I thought Aleric and his wife were real TB's and so would never visit someone of the program. IF people like this go and see other saints and healers, then the TMO will stop shunning folks who do. Somehow this guy is an approved saint or healer. The criteria for approval or disapproval are not at all clear. He's referred to as guruji and he does take in a lot of money, which have blacklisted other gurus, but he doesn't give out mantras, which also blacklist them, and he heals, which apparently is OK, except if it's not.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The health care meltdown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip I read what you said. All that would have been the same with the public option, except that there would have been the *additional* component of competition with the private insurance companies to bring down premiums and increase benefits. To say the current bill is better than the public option makes no sense; it's like saying a car without brakes is better than a set of brakes. I can assure you, it is a much better option. One more time: The options were (a) the current bill but with a public option, and (b) the identical bill except with no public option. We got (b).
[FairfieldLife] Average income tax refund jumps by 10% to $3,036
USA TODAY - The average income tax refund is up nearly 10% from a year ago, reflecting tax credits included in last year's economic stimulus package, according to IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman. Vice President Biden is expected to announce the increase Monday as part of a month-long effort to promote tax benefits available through the Recovery Act of 2009. Through March 12, the average tax refund was a record $3,036, up $266 from the same period a year earlier, Shulman said in a statement. The Recovery Act is a major factor behind these larger, record refunds, Shulman said. About half of all Americans haven't filed their taxes yet, so we urge them to look carefully at these Recovery provisions. Some 69 million individual tax returns were filed through March 13, according to the IRS. The Recovery Act provided a tax credit of $400 for workers, or $800 for married couples. Most workers who have taxes withheld from their paychecks received the credit through an adjustment in their withholding. But those who didn't receive the full credit through withholding will receive the balance in their refunds. Other provisions in the Recovery Act that could boost refunds include: A $2,500 American Opportunity Credit for qualified college expenses. A tax credit of up to $8,000 for first-time home buyers. Congress expanded this credit in November to provide a $6,500 credit for repeat buyers. A deduction for state and local taxes on new vehicle purchases. An increase in the Earned Income Tax Credit and the Child Tax Credit. A tax break for unemployment benefits. Ordinarily, jobless benefits are taxable, but under the Recovery Act, the first $2,500 in unemployment benefits received in 2009 is tax-free. The new tax credits have created confusion among some taxpayers. More than 2 million returns filed this year contained an error in connection with the Making Work Pay credit, according to the IRS. The IRS will recalculate the credit for taxpayers who fail to claim it, but that could delay their refunds. http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/2010-03-22-taxrefunds22_ST_N.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trivedi/Guruji
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trivedi/Guruji I am certainly out of touch with the latest in the TMO, but I thought Aleric and his wife were real TB's and so would never visit someone off the program. IF people like this go and see other saints and healers, then the TMO will stop shunning folks who do. (?) That is a large question. Somehow this guy is an approved saint or healer. The criteria for approval or disapproval are not at all clear. He's referred to as guruji and he does take in a lot of money, which have blacklisted other gurus, but he doesn't give out mantras, which also blacklist them, and he heals, which apparently is OK, except if it's not.
[FairfieldLife] CAN one intellectually know enlightenment? (was: Re: Jihadis)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Is it live or is it Memorex? 'Nuff said. Says Barry, neatly but entirely inadvertently stepping on his own point. The Memorex slogan highlights the *accuracy* of the reproduction-- one can't even be sure which one is hearing, the live or the recorded performance. That's similar to the situation with MMY's teaching, unlike with that of Jesus, where we don't even have the Memorex. Again dealing with the issue, let's take an example of MMY's teaching, and have you tell us what his teaching really was, based on the recordings. If you were able to get ahold of tapes from Squaw Valley 1968, you would hear a fellow who was sitting next to me ask Maharishi about the siddhis, in particular things like levitation. Maharishi's response was, Capture the fort. He told this fellow, and the whole audience to have *nothing* to do with the siddhis. He said emphatically that they were a *distrac- tion* to the enlightenment process, possibly dangerous, and unnecessary because if one transcended regularly via TM you would capture the fort with no need to waste time trying to capture outlying minor outposts like flying. Cut to the 1976-77 period, during which MMY taught emphatically that everyone should learn to fly using the TM-Sidhi techniques he was experimenting with, because it would greatly speed their own enlightenment. This is also recorded on Memorex. Later being able to actually levitate became the proof of full enlightenment or Unity, also recorded on tape. Then it became less about the individual, and more of a thing you do for the world, creating powerful waves of invincibility for the nation and the world. Again, probably recorded on tape. So which tape is What Maharishi taught? I'll wait. The *naivete* of believing that one can read *one instance* of teaching on a particular subject and know from that What a teacher taught astounds to me. Teachers contradict themselves from year to year, sometimes more often. Teachers say one thing to one audience and another thing to another audience. What is recorded on Memorex may have been spoken to a large group or to a particular person asking a question. If the latter, is it an answer for everyone in the room and everyone listening to the tape, or just the person who asked the question? The idea that one can learn about a spiritual teacher's teaching by listening to the tapes or reading the books assumes two things that my experience has shown me are not true. The first is that teachings can be assumed to be static. In reality teachings *change* from time to time and from audience to audience. The second is more important, and has to do with teachings about the nature enlightenment itself. That can *never* be captured in words, so it doesn't matter how many tapes you listen to, you still aren't going to be able to understand enlightenment.
[FairfieldLife] CAN one intellectually know enlightenment? (was: Re: Jihadis)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Is it live or is it Memorex? 'Nuff said. Says Barry, neatly but entirely inadvertently stepping on his own point. The Memorex slogan highlights the *accuracy* of the reproduction-- one can't even be sure which one is hearing, the live or the recorded performance. That's similar to the situation with MMY's teaching, unlike with that of Jesus, where we don't even have the Memorex. Again dealing with the issue, let's take an example of MMY's teaching, and have you tell us what his teaching really was, based on the recordings. If you were able to get ahold of tapes from Squaw Valley 1968, you would hear a fellow who was sitting next to me ask Maharishi about the siddhis, in particular things like levitation. Maharishi's response was, Capture the fort. He told this fellow, and the whole audience to have *nothing* to do with the siddhis. He said emphatically that they were a *distrac- tion* to the enlightenment process, possibly dangerous, and unnecessary because if one transcended regularly via TM you would capture the fort with no need to waste time trying to capture outlying minor outposts like flying. Cut to the 1976-77 period, during which MMY taught emphatically that everyone should learn to fly using the TM-Sidhi techniques he was experimenting with, because it would greatly speed their own enlightenment. This is also recorded on Memorex. Later being able to actually levitate became the proof of full enlightenment or Unity, also recorded on tape. Then it became less about the individual, and more of a thing you do for the world, creating powerful waves of invincibility for the nation and the world. Again, probably recorded on tape. So which tape is What Maharishi taught? I'll wait. All of them. duh The *naivete* of believing that one can read *one instance* of teaching on a particular subject and know from that What a teacher taught astounds to me. Lots of things that astound to [sic] you never existed anywhere but in your own mind. The above is an excellent example. Teachers contradict themselves from year to year, sometimes more often. Teachers say one thing to one audience and another thing to another audience. What is recorded on Memorex may have been spoken to a large group or to a particular person asking a question. If the latter, is it an answer for everyone in the room and everyone listening to the tape, or just the person who asked the question? The idea that one can learn about a spiritual teacher's teaching by listening to the tapes or reading the books assumes two things that my experience has shown me are not true. The first is that teachings can be assumed to be static. That's an assumption you've fabricated and attributed to me, not one I've ever made. In reality teachings *change* from time to time and from audience to audience. Quite likely. And so...? What does that have to do with anything? The second is more important, and has to do with teachings about the nature enlightenment itself. That can *never* be captured in words, so it doesn't matter how many tapes you listen to, you still aren't going to be able to understand enlightenment. Another assumption you've fabricated and attributed to me, not one I've ever made. In fact, that enlightenment can never be captured in words *is exactly what MMY taught*.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The health care meltdown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip I read what you said. All that would have been the same with the public option, except that there would have been the *additional* component of competition with the private insurance companies to bring down premiums and increase benefits. To say the current bill is better than the public option makes no sense; it's like saying a car without brakes is better than a set of brakes. I can assure you, it is a much better option. One more time: The options were (a) the current bill but with a public option, and (b) the identical bill except with no public option. We got (b). Your logic assumes the (a) version, with the public option, was acceptable to the Senate. It was not. Perhaps your hero Hillary would have insisted on the (a) version, but she would have failed insisting on it, similar to her failures on the health care issue in 1994. Obama is head and shoulders above everyone, in intellect and termperment. Thank God he beat Hillary.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The health care meltdown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip I read what you said. All that would have been the same with the public option, except that there would have been the *additional* component of competition with the private insurance companies to bring down premiums and increase benefits. To say the current bill is better than the public option makes no sense; it's like saying a car without brakes is better than a set of brakes. I can assure you, it is a much better option. One more time: The options were (a) the current bill but with a public option, and (b) the identical bill except with no public option. We got (b). Your logic assumes the (a) version (with the public option), was acceptable to the Senate. It was not. Perhaps your hero Hillary would have insisted on the (a) version, but she would have failed insisting on it, similar to her failures on the health care issue in 1994. Obama is head and shoulders above everyone, in intellect and temperament. Thank God he beat Hillary.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Afghani Jihadist War Heroes -- Was She Shot Him 6 Times
or gay, just like Abraham Lincoln. Or maybe he was really poisoned by arsenic. Probably some strong evidence to support this as well. Or any number of other things that people discover --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_sp...@... wrote: Many scholars also think that the divinity of Christ is much later doctrine of the church. When Christ was alive he was just an ordinary man. but after he died he was elevated to a divine status. --- On Sun, 3/21/10, tartbrain no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Afghani Jihadist War Heroes -- Was She Shot Him 6 Times Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 9:26 PM I was thinking of his followers. However, the fruit of a teacher's message/methods are revealed to some extent in their followers. Though hundreds of years later -- distortions are inevitable. I just read some things by one of the foremost scholars of the Dead Sea Scrolls and he thinks the core of Jesus' teaching was lost within a century.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anonymous leeches can't bet with humans
Where I come from, when one issues a challenge, and then backs down from it, they're yella. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: You've got some unresolved business in these parts, pardner. Which parts? Colorado is it? OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trivedi Coup de TM
He speaks! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 fest...@... wrote: If you look under Publications in the Scientific Research section of Trivedi Foundation web site, you will find a number of published research studies. Odd that you weren't able to find them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I never said there were. I never said you did. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Were you able to find any? I already said no. Why can't you answer my question? Never mind. I assume the reason you're avoiding an answer is that there are not, in fact, any published scientific studies on the Web site. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I have no idea. Did you? Are there any published scientific studies listed on that Web site? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: OK, I couldn't find any published studies. These seem to be all anecdotal reports. Did I miss something? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: http://www.trivedifoundation.org/scientific-research --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: The constant stream of negative comments from people who live many miles away and have never met the man and have no idea of how this event was promoted Well, we do have *some* idea from the promotional piece that was posted here. or the scientific research that has been done on Trivedi's work So tell us about the scientific research.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Health insurance reform: TM's future
mainstream20016 uns_tressor uns_tressor@ . As for the last, these insurance companies, now with a flood of new custom, are going to be very interested in remedies that are cost effective. They could have a very pragmatic attitude. TM should get in the frame. You're right - as a newly reconstituted SIMS-like pre-1975 secular TM organization, based in the U.S., the only product of which is TM instruction, TM checking and residence courses. Yup. You're right. Back to Basics. Everyone wins.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Healthcare. Have you Septic Tanks gone civilised?
Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: uns_tressor wrote: As for the last, these insurance companies, now with a flood of new custom, are going to be very interested in remedies that are cost effective. They could have a very pragmatic attitude. TM should get in the frame. The best thing would be to regulate these parasitic insurance companies out of business... ..and nationalise them? Government run? The British model? It could be made to work.
