[FairfieldLife] Re: Call to Meditation

[Robert]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Those who tread the earth gently,
>  when the ignorant speak to them,
>  they only utter peace.  
> In the privacy of the night they meditate. 
>Quron 25:63-66
>
Nice Quote, thanks...

[FairfieldLife] Butch Cassidy and the Wild Bunch

[Yifu]

1900
http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/5/49294.jpg

[FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq]

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
 wrote:

> But I may be wrong. Trot out some "cheap shots" and I'll see if I can
justify them.


Fair nuf, at least as I see it.  But so often you hear a "click" on the
other end.

[FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq]

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" 
wrote:
>
> Maharishi's general advice aside, there is nothing wrong or scary
about taking on the karma of someone else. Its actually quite an amazing
experience, and a great indicator of attachment to our ideas.


Would you care to elaborate on this?  Give an example of what you mean?

[FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq]

[curtisdeltablues]

So what do you consider a cheap shot that I have taken at Maharishi?  I can't 
think of anything I have said about him that I didn't sincerely mean. My shots 
are carefully considered and not cheap at all. 

I was a teenager and forming my adult identity when I first saw Maharishi in 
person.  Your characterization of me losing my identity is an opinion based on 
speculation without knowing me as a young man.  I consider my time with him to 
be part of my maturation and an important part of my finding my adult identity. 
 Your unflattering mischaracterization is much more of a cheap shot than 
anything I have said about him. I was no more lost at that age then you were.

You seem proud that you never took the time to spend time with the guy and go 
on his most intensive programs.  But it leads to you having a fantasy bond with 
your own imagination about him.  Your objections to my opinion about him have 
no basis in who he actually was.  He is just a made up abstractions based on 
whatever few tapes they let sidhas see. 

But I may be wrong.  Trot out some "cheap shots" and I'll see if I can justify 
them.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>
> It was a challenge, but not a challenge to your SOC vs. mine, more a 
> curiosity about how you defined such a thing as self realization. There was 
> no snark in my remark about it being a gimme, more like saying if you in fact 
> do drive a car, pointing out the accelerator should be no big deal. 
> 
> As for my so-called harsh post, I meant every word of it. I agree with you 
> that you became so incredibly seduced by Maharishi at one point that you lost 
> any semblance of who you really were, and are now trying to make sense of 
> where you stand wrt him. However I also see you taking cheap shots at him 
> that belie your attempts to figure him out. You admit as much and I 
> appreciate that, however I think you could write about MMY as far less than 
> perfect, as many on here do, without the cheap shots.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > >
> > > wtf? I ask you a question and all of a sudden you are the victim of 
> > > spiritual one-upsmanship?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hey Jim,
> > 
> > It came on the heels of a pretty harsh post from you which said :
> > 
> >  > self realization, without any attempt to accomplish it yourselves.> 
> > > 
> > 
> > There is a whole heaping helping of one upmanship in that insult stream so 
> > I didn't know you had switched gears.  I have a hard time taking your "WTF" 
> > seriously.  I don't believe I have read you wrong. I am taking you are face 
> > value, you are claiming that you are in a special state of consciousness 
> > and I am not.  
> > 
> > I was also reading the snark in the line:   >If you are indeed self 
> > realized, this should be a gimme for you.>
> > 
> > That is not the start of a friendly discussion, it was a challenge.
> > 
> > I don't feel as though you are being straight with me.
> > 
> > This was in reaction to my own post which was not a personal attack on you, 
> > but was about ideas, and how mine differ from Maharishi's.  I don't know 
> > why you feel compelled to make such discussions personal.  You and I have 
> > had a very different relationship with the guy.  I am entitled to my 
> > opinion without having to defend myself personally. 
> > 
> > My view of self realization is independent from any of the states produced 
> > through Maharishi's programs. But it certainly includes the ability to 
> > discuss ideas without having to insult the person who doesn't share your 
> > beliefs.  That would be about the lowest bar required IMO.  
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > >
> > > wtf? I ask you a question and all of a sudden you are the victim of 
> > > spiritual one-upsmanship? I am curious how your def of self realization 
> > > differs. What I meant when I asked about your SOC was that you have been 
> > > in the Movement so you know what the milestones of CC, GC and UC are. 
> > > Whether you accept Maharishi's definitions, self-realization has specific 
> > > attributes. That's where I was going with it. Just as I don't read every 
> > > word of yours, it is clear you don't read mine (which is nbd), otherwise 
> > > you would know I have never played spiritual one upsmanship games here. 
> > > The only folks that do are B and V. It is a huge time waster and 
> > > distraction, imo. 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > > Yes, we want to see your papers, Herr Curtis! There are some reported 
> > > > > hoodlums and lower rogue elements masquerading as self-realized 
> > > > > beings. We have orders to shoot these frauds on sight.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Remembe

[FairfieldLife] Terrible pet

[Yifu]

I once had a pet like that. Didn't last long though...probably didn't like the 
grubs I fed it.

http://skeletonart.com/Detailed/516.html

[FairfieldLife] "All American Boys"

[Yifu]

http://skeletonart.com/Detailed/817.html

[FairfieldLife] Feral gallery

[Yifu]

http://skeletonart.com/Feral/index.html

[FairfieldLife] "Monkeys will die"

[Yifu]

and others...

http://skeletonart.com/Detailed/676.html

[FairfieldLife] Itch fighting cortex ointment

[Yifu]

http://www.redmeat.com/redmeat/1997-08-04/index.html

[FairfieldLife] Zap

[Yifu]

http://lib.calpoly.edu/spec_coll/comix/bigcovers/zap0.gif

[FairfieldLife] Evolution of Venus

[Yifu]

http://artfangs.com/NewFiles/Venus.html

[FairfieldLife] "I know my American history"

[Yifu]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/06/05/2011-06-05_sarah_palin_defends_paul_revere_comments_i_know_my_american_history.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Kali in action

[Yifu]

http://artfangs.com/NewFiles/Painting27.html

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>
> That is quite a photo collage - did she tweet it to you? lol
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu"  wrote:
> >
> > couldn't help herself...no free will:
> > http://farm1.static.flickr.com/39/73958454_0bd561b285.jpg
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: 911 Towers had several explosions -- new video footage reveals.

[whynotnow7]

I don't think it was in any way a blatant conspiracy. I do recall Condaleeza 
Rice's first comments on the news about it. She said they knew a plane could be 
hijacked, but had no idea someone would fly it into a building (!). So the way 
I read it is that the PNAC cabal was picking up intel of an impending action 
against the US and let it happen so they could unleash the American war machine 
again, this time in Iraq. I don't think they knew the specifics of 911. Then 
again, they weren't too concerned about how a hostile action against the US 
might manifest, since they were planning to use it as a catalyst for war, 
regardless.  



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 06/09/2011 12:49 PM, WillyTex wrote:
> >
> >>> It doesn't make any sense that anyone but a fringe
> >>> nutcase would believe this, but it looks like a few
> >>> FFL informants really do believe in doomsday scenarios.
> >>>
> > Bhairitu:
> >> Boy you have no ability to see the bigger picture, do
> >> you?
> >>
> > To plant hidden explosives inside the WTC, to explode
> > AFTER the planes hit, someone would have had to bypass
> > all the video cameras and security inside the WTC.
> >
> > But, that feat would pale in comparison to getting over
> > 5,000 government employees to keep the conspiracy a
> > secret! Have you seen any Wiki-leaks that could support
> > any of your WTC conspiracy theories?
> 
> Uh-huh.  Just as I thought, you haven't even looked at any of the 
> speculation on 9-11.  Part of the scenario were some "remodeling" on the 
> building prior to 9-11 that lead to some areas being closed and 
> allegedly that was when the explosives were planted.  I guess you assume 
> some janitor might have alerted authorities.  5000 government employees 
> wouldn't have been involved.  Only a couple hundred at best and most so 
> compartmentalized that they had no idea of their involvement.
> 
> A lot of people don't want to take a position other than the "official 
> conspiracy theory" on 9-11 even though there was a lot of evidence it 
> was a false flag event because they don't want their bruise their egos 
> and be called a "conspiracy theorist".  I could give a shit.
> 
> Anyway keep waiting for Santa, the Easter Bunny and that Maharishi was a 
> member of the X-Men. :-D
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sarah Palin and Paul Revere

[seventhray1]

I saw this clip (of her) a couple days ago.  But I have to say, ( and
watching very little TV, and no political TV) that this piece with Bill
Maher struck me as somewhat eliticist and condescending.  I am no fan of
Sarah Palin, but it seemed  (from this tiny little segment) that Bill is
there with his minions who take anything he says as just the height of
cleverness and funniness, and then they proceed to lampoon whoever they
view as their adversary.

By coincidence earlier today I tuned into Rush Limbaugh, (not finding
anything else of interest), and  he was saying that the main strength of
Sarah Palin is that "we know she is a conservative".  He said nothing
else matters.  He said specifically it doesn't matter if she makes dumb
comments (or at least portrayed as dumb by the media, as he put it),
that fact is that we know she will promote so called conservative
values-period.  To me that attitude is more eye opening.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> Yes sir just when you thought she couldn't get any dumber:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpHfY1Hor9g
>
> And then Stephen Colbert does a send up - beautiful (from Daily Kos):
> howl-arious
>
>
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/06/07/982824/-Sarah-Palin-Vindicated:\
Colb
> ert-Re-enactment-Proves-It!?via=siderec
>
 bert-Re-enactment-Proves-It%21?via=siderec>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Kali in action

[whynotnow7]

That is quite a photo collage - did she tweet it to you? lol

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu"  wrote:
>
> couldn't help herself...no free will:
> http://farm1.static.flickr.com/39/73958454_0bd561b285.jpg
>

[FairfieldLife] Kali in action

[Yifu]

couldn't help herself...no free will:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/39/73958454_0bd561b285.jpg

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reply from Senator Harkin re GE foods

[WillyTex]

> > Whole Foods Market carries a full line of
> > organic produce and meat. That's one of the
> > reason I'm still living here.
> >
authfriend:
> Well, no, it isn't. Whole Foods Market has
> around 300 stores across the United States.
>
There's only one Whole Foods World Headquarters,
the Flagship Store where I shop. But, that's just
one of the reason I still live here. It's right down the
road from my place - about a mile. So, fer now I'm
staying here, close to the original.

On a clear day I can see all the way to the Whole
Foods store from Radiance, the TM Ideal Village,
home of the Superradiance Program and the
Maharishi Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge.

It's like being at the center of the whole universe!

> > Whole Foods World Headquarters
> > Austin, Texas.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reply from Senator Harkin re GE foods

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> Don't know if you ever listen to KGO-AM but Gene Burns did 3 hours last 
> night on the possibility of riots this summer in the US based on the 
> rising number of unemployed.  Now as you know and for the benefit of 
> others who don't know KGO it is not a fringe little radio station but a 
> 50KW mainstream key San Francisco radio station.  It is a news talk 
> station and Burns is topical and Libertarian (who voted for Obama).  But 
> the topic came up due to him watching a segment on Wolf Blitzer's CNN 
> show yesterday where Jack Cafferty also a CNN staffer commented on the 
> possibility of civil unrest.  Here's the report that Burns was referring to:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7QnwYwHQIM
> 

Can't stand Cafferty.

> There of course has been quite a bit of civil unrest in Europe as well 
> as Asia.  Maybe Turq isn't paying attention.  We also are having reports 
> from this year's Bilderberg meeting in the news.  It's being held in St. 
> Moritz and I got a kick out of seeing a road sign posted on an article 
> because it listed Sils where my grandfather grew up and in the 
> neighborhood.  My nephew visited Sils recently and told me being next to 
> St. Moritz is a pricey place and that his slice of pizza for lunch cost 
> $20.  But I digress.
> 
> Indeed the press around here reminds us all the time especially after we 
> have minor quakes to be sure to have supplies on hand.
> 

> On 06/09/2011 01:23 PM, whynotnow7 wrote:
> > In Bhairatu's case and mine too, earthquakes are a real threat here, so I 
> > have my survival kit in place, stored outside in a dry place where I can 
> > get to it if necessary. Things are pretty ugly here economically, though I 
> > think the probability of rebellion or revolution is *extremely* remote. I 
> > wouldn't mind though if all of the 20+ million unemployed converged on 
> > Washington DC and shut it down for awhile though.
> >

A lot of good a survival kit will do you stored outside in a tornado.

"As of June 8, there have been 1,458 tornadoes reported in the US in 2011 (of 
which at least 1,039 were confirmed). 2011 has been an exceptionally 
destructive and deadly year for tornadoes; worldwide, at least 539 people 
perished due to tornadoes: 12 in Bangladesh, one in New Zealand, one in the 
Philippines and an estimated 525 in the United States (compared to 564 US 
deaths in the 10 years prior) [1]. Due in large part to several extremely large 
tornado outbreaks in the middle and end of April and in late May, the year is 
currently on record pace. It is also the deadliest year in the United States 
since 1936, due mostly to the 322 tornadic deaths that occured during the April 
27 outbreak across the Southeastern United States and the 151 tornadic deaths 
in the 2011 Joplin Tornado."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tornadoes_of_2011

A Tornado destroyed 30% of Joplin, MO, population 50,000. Catastrophic events 
are a big story in the news for a few days, then we don't hear very much about 
it afterwards. What happened to the folks who lived though Katrina?  How many 
came back to New Orleans? No one seems to keep track of where these people went 
or what happened to them after they lost everything, it's yesterday's news.

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[FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq]

[whynotnow7]

Maharishi's general advice aside, there is nothing wrong or scary about taking 
on the karma of someone else. Its actually quite an amazing experience, and a 
great indicator of attachment to our ideas.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
> > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 1:02 PM
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was
> > Re:Two...questions from Turq]
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >  , "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > >
> > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> > [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >  ]
> > > On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 12:42 PM
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > 
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the
> > work[was
> > > Re:Two...questions from Turq]
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Having lost direction in life, some rejoice in posting on a forum for
> > > nitwits brought about by the "King of Irony and the Disenchantment"; Rick
> > > Archer
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hey Nabby, I don't have time to read FFL much lately, much less post, but
> > > I'm glad I happened to notice this post, as it brings joy to my heart to
> > > know you're still thinking of me, and expressing your sentiments so
> > > poetically. Where's my crown?
> > 
> > Hear, hear; the King of Inverted Irony speaks yet again !
> > 
> > Yes, I clambered out of my ironic pit of disenchantment, was dazzled by
> > golden, enchanted rays of certainty, and now must return and resume
> > wallowing.
> 
> 
> 
> Fine my friend. You're an idiot.
> 
> It's clear that those once close to Maharishi, that found themselves shelved 
> somewhere, not invited anywhere, those who felt as if struck by lightening, 
> are the same men who later was found to be rude and unfriendly to His 
> students. Sometimes it was found that they, in their eagerness to serve 
> Maharishi, were rude to complete strangers also. 
> 
> I have thought of this fact lately. I went trhough some of Maharishi's points 
> this morning. One was not to speak ill of anyone. He claimed that by doing so 
> one would acquire the carma of that particular person.
> 
> The last thing I would want is to have anything to do with the weird carma of 
> Rick Archer.
> 
> I therefore solemnly swear that I from now on will not denounce anyone, so 
> help me God !
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reply from Senator Harkin re GE foods

[whynotnow7]

True. We don't get tornadoes, at least not destructive ones, in the SF Bay 
area. I do remember an exceedingly rare one about 15 years ago in Sunnyvale 
that tore half the roof off of a church, and a funnel cloud that didn't touch 
down was spotted a couple of years ago. On the other hand we have noticeable 
quakes maybe three or four times a year here - who *doesn't* have cracks in all 
their interior walls? My survival kit is kept in an outbuilding, so it is 
covered, but would be easier to get to than digging through my house wreckage 
if we had a bad shaker. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > Don't know if you ever listen to KGO-AM but Gene Burns did 3 hours last 
> > night on the possibility of riots this summer in the US based on the 
> > rising number of unemployed.  Now as you know and for the benefit of 
> > others who don't know KGO it is not a fringe little radio station but a 
> > 50KW mainstream key San Francisco radio station.  It is a news talk 
> > station and Burns is topical and Libertarian (who voted for Obama).  But 
> > the topic came up due to him watching a segment on Wolf Blitzer's CNN 
> > show yesterday where Jack Cafferty also a CNN staffer commented on the 
> > possibility of civil unrest.  Here's the report that Burns was referring to:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7QnwYwHQIM
> > 
> 
> Can't stand Cafferty.
> 
> > There of course has been quite a bit of civil unrest in Europe as well 
> > as Asia.  Maybe Turq isn't paying attention.  We also are having reports 
> > from this year's Bilderberg meeting in the news.  It's being held in St. 
> > Moritz and I got a kick out of seeing a road sign posted on an article 
> > because it listed Sils where my grandfather grew up and in the 
> > neighborhood.  My nephew visited Sils recently and told me being next to 
> > St. Moritz is a pricey place and that his slice of pizza for lunch cost 
> > $20.  But I digress.
> > 
> > Indeed the press around here reminds us all the time especially after we 
> > have minor quakes to be sure to have supplies on hand.
> > 
> 
> > On 06/09/2011 01:23 PM, whynotnow7 wrote:
> > > In Bhairatu's case and mine too, earthquakes are a real threat here, so I 
> > > have my survival kit in place, stored outside in a dry place where I can 
> > > get to it if necessary. Things are pretty ugly here economically, though 
> > > I think the probability of rebellion or revolution is *extremely* remote. 
> > > I wouldn't mind though if all of the 20+ million unemployed converged on 
> > > Washington DC and shut it down for awhile though.
> > >
> 
> A lot of good a survival kit will do you stored outside in a tornado.
> 
> "As of June 8, there have been 1,458 tornadoes reported in the US in 2011 (of 
> which at least 1,039 were confirmed). 2011 has been an exceptionally 
> destructive and deadly year for tornadoes; worldwide, at least 539 people 
> perished due to tornadoes: 12 in Bangladesh, one in New Zealand, one in the 
> Philippines and an estimated 525 in the United States (compared to 564 US 
> deaths in the 10 years prior) [1]. Due in large part to several extremely 
> large tornado outbreaks in the middle and end of April and in late May, the 
> year is currently on record pace. It is also the deadliest year in the United 
> States since 1936, due mostly to the 322 tornadic deaths that occured during 
> the April 27 outbreak across the Southeastern United States and the 151 
> tornadic deaths in the 2011 Joplin Tornado."
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tornadoes_of_2011
> 
> A Tornado destroyed 30% of Joplin, MO, population 50,000. Catastrophic events 
> are a big story in the news for a few days, then we don't hear very much 
> about it afterwards. What happened to the folks who lived though Katrina?  
> How many came back to New Orleans? No one seems to keep track of where these 
> people went or what happened to them after they lost everything, it's 
> yesterday's news.
>

[FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq]

[whynotnow7]

It was a challenge, but not a challenge to your SOC vs. mine, more a curiosity 
about how you defined such a thing as self realization. There was no snark in 
my remark about it being a gimme, more like saying if you in fact do drive a 
car, pointing out the accelerator should be no big deal. 

As for my so-called harsh post, I meant every word of it. I agree with you that 
you became so incredibly seduced by Maharishi at one point that you lost any 
semblance of who you really were, and are now trying to make sense of where you 
stand wrt him. However I also see you taking cheap shots at him that belie your 
attempts to figure him out. You admit as much and I appreciate that, however I 
think you could write about MMY as far less than perfect, as many on here do, 
without the cheap shots.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> >
> > wtf? I ask you a question and all of a sudden you are the victim of 
> > spiritual one-upsmanship?
> 
> 
> 
> Hey Jim,
> 
> It came on the heels of a pretty harsh post from you which said :
> 
>  self realization, without any attempt to accomplish it yourselves.> 
> > 
> 
> There is a whole heaping helping of one upmanship in that insult stream so I 
> didn't know you had switched gears.  I have a hard time taking your "WTF" 
> seriously.  I don't believe I have read you wrong. I am taking you are face 
> value, you are claiming that you are in a special state of consciousness and 
> I am not.  
> 
> I was also reading the snark in the line:   >If you are indeed self realized, 
> this should be a gimme for you.>
> 
> That is not the start of a friendly discussion, it was a challenge.
> 
> I don't feel as though you are being straight with me.
> 
> This was in reaction to my own post which was not a personal attack on you, 
> but was about ideas, and how mine differ from Maharishi's.  I don't know why 
> you feel compelled to make such discussions personal.  You and I have had a 
> very different relationship with the guy.  I am entitled to my opinion 
> without having to defend myself personally. 
> 
> My view of self realization is independent from any of the states produced 
> through Maharishi's programs. But it certainly includes the ability to 
> discuss ideas without having to insult the person who doesn't share your 
> beliefs.  That would be about the lowest bar required IMO.  
> 
> 
>  
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> >
> > wtf? I ask you a question and all of a sudden you are the victim of 
> > spiritual one-upsmanship? I am curious how your def of self realization 
> > differs. What I meant when I asked about your SOC was that you have been in 
> > the Movement so you know what the milestones of CC, GC and UC are. Whether 
> > you accept Maharishi's definitions, self-realization has specific 
> > attributes. That's where I was going with it. Just as I don't read every 
> > word of yours, it is clear you don't read mine (which is nbd), otherwise 
> > you would know I have never played spiritual one upsmanship games here. The 
> > only folks that do are B and V. It is a huge time waster and distraction, 
> > imo. 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > > >
> > > 
> > > > Yes, we want to see your papers, Herr Curtis! There are some reported 
> > > > hoodlums and lower rogue elements masquerading as self-realized beings. 
> > > > We have orders to shoot these frauds on sight.
> > > > 
> > > > Remember Herr Curtis, you can't simply bask in the joy of your own 
> > > > existence. You must be certified to do so. And enjoying life without 
> > > > proper papers and titles, impossible!
> > > 
> > > Ya vol mein herr!
> > > 
> > > The first rule of spiritual one upmanship is that MY self-realization is 
> > > the right one, and yours is the wrong one. 
> > > 
> > > The second is, if you dont't use the authorized names to describe it that 
> > > I do,then your self realization is relative and superficial, and mine is 
> > > absolute and deep.
> > > 
> > > The third rule is never talk about fight club.  Wait a second, that is 
> > > supposed to be the first rule, sorry! 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey Curtis, my responses below:
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How do you know what someone in CC, GC, or UC perceives, or 
> > > > > > > doesn't? 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Same way I know what anyone does, by what they express. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Seems like you, Curtis and Vaj enjoy wasting your time 
> > > > > > > speculating about se

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reply from Senator Harkin re GE foods

[whynotnow7]

I haven't listened to Gene Burns for a few years, though when I had a lng 
commute to the city I used to. Always enjoyed his show - he is interested in 
discussions vs. rabble rousing. I don't think we are at the brink of utter 
hopelessness yet to cause riots,  though *everyone* sees the hypocrisy of a 
government that no longer cares about them. I hear it constantly now, as if it 
is a given, so there is MAJOR alienation in the USA now and it is growing.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> Don't know if you ever listen to KGO-AM but Gene Burns did 3 hours last 
> night on the possibility of riots this summer in the US based on the 
> rising number of unemployed.  Now as you know and for the benefit of 
> others who don't know KGO it is not a fringe little radio station but a 
> 50KW mainstream key San Francisco radio station.  It is a news talk 
> station and Burns is topical and Libertarian (who voted for Obama).  But 
> the topic came up due to him watching a segment on Wolf Blitzer's CNN 
> show yesterday where Jack Cafferty also a CNN staffer commented on the 
> possibility of civil unrest.  Here's the report that Burns was referring to:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7QnwYwHQIM
> 
> There of course has been quite a bit of civil unrest in Europe as well 
> as Asia.  Maybe Turq isn't paying attention.  We also are having reports 
> from this year's Bilderberg meeting in the news.  It's being held in St. 
> Moritz and I got a kick out of seeing a road sign posted on an article 
> because it listed Sils where my grandfather grew up and in the 
> neighborhood.  My nephew visited Sils recently and told me being next to 
> St. Moritz is a pricey place and that his slice of pizza for lunch cost 
> $20.  But I digress.
> 
> Indeed the press around here reminds us all the time especially after we 
> have minor quakes to be sure to have supplies on hand.
> 
> On 06/09/2011 01:23 PM, whynotnow7 wrote:
> > In Bhairatu's case and mine too, earthquakes are a real threat here, so I 
> > have my survival kit in place, stored outside in a dry place where I can 
> > get to it if necessary. Things are pretty ugly here economically, though I 
> > think the probability of rebellion or revolution is *extremely* remote. I 
> > wouldn't mind though if all of the 20+ million unemployed converged on 
> > Washington DC and shut it down for awhile though.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >>> On 06/09/2011 12:29 PM, WillyTex wrote:
>  Bottom line is, how much food have you been
>  able to store up for emergencies? You'd
>  probably be one of the first people to starve
>  to death because you don't have much of a seed
>  cache and you live miles from a store.
> 
>  The city folk would surely beat you to the
>  source of your food supply.
> 
>  You'd probably last about two weeks if you had
>  some potable water to drink. Since I live only
>  about a mile from Whole Foods, I'd be able to
>  add to my stocks in about ten minutes and there
>  is a spring nearby.
> 
>  And, I'm armed so I could keep bandits off my
>  property a lot longer than you could.
> 
>  You need to get some smarts and forget about
>  the GMO issue - just concentrate on getting
>  something, anything, to eat stored up in your
>  cupboard for the bad day that's going to come.
> 
>  Here is a list to get you started:
> 
>  1. Guns
>  2. Ammo
>  3. Water
>  4. Canned goods
>  5. Seeds and beans
>  6. Matches and BIC lighters
>  7. Candles and wax
>  8. Gasoline and oil
>  9. Crank radio
>  10. Flashlight and batteries
>  11. Jerky and trail mix
> >>> And listen to GCN, RBN and Rense daily. :-D
> >>>
> >>> I keep plenty of bottled water on hand and there is
> >>> always plenty survival stuff here.  You're forgetting
> >>> I live in earthquake area where it is highly recommended
> >>> to stay stocked. That said the ability to do that is
> >>> pretty dismal as apparently those survival kits aren't
> >>> sold in stores. Costco sells a kit but the review by
> >>> locally TV said the food was pretty dismal and it was
> >>> all soy protein which I try to limit.  Most of the
> >>> "survival foods" kits have beef dishes in them which
> >>> I don't want either.
> >>>
> >>> Oh, you forgot the portable potty.  What ya gonna due
> >>> if the sewage system goes down? :-D
> >> Has anyone else noticed that we don't tend to
> >> see these survivalist fantasies coming from the
> >> European or Asian members of our forum, only
> >> from the Americans?
> >>
> >> Just sayin'...
> >>
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reply from Senator Harkin re GE foods

[whynotnow7]

I haven't listened to Gene Burns for a few years, though when I had a For the 
mostlng commute to the city I used to. Always enjoyed his show - he is 
interested in discussions vs. rabble rousing. I don't think we are at the brink 
of utter hopelessness yet to cause riots,  though *everyone* sees the hypocrisy 
of a government that no longer cares about them. I hear it constantly now, as 
if it is a given, so there is MAJOR alienation in the USA now and it is growing.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> Don't know if you ever listen to KGO-AM but Gene Burns did 3 hours last 
> night on the possibility of riots this summer in the US based on the 
> rising number of unemployed.  Now as you know and for the benefit of 
> others who don't know KGO it is not a fringe little radio station but a 
> 50KW mainstream key San Francisco radio station.  It is a news talk 
> station and Burns is topical and Libertarian (who voted for Obama).  But 
> the topic came up due to him watching a segment on Wolf Blitzer's CNN 
> show yesterday where Jack Cafferty also a CNN staffer commented on the 
> possibility of civil unrest.  Here's the report that Burns was referring to:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7QnwYwHQIM
> 
> There of course has been quite a bit of civil unrest in Europe as well 
> as Asia.  Maybe Turq isn't paying attention.  We also are having reports 
> from this year's Bilderberg meeting in the news.  It's being held in St. 
> Moritz and I got a kick out of seeing a road sign posted on an article 
> because it listed Sils where my grandfather grew up and in the 
> neighborhood.  My nephew visited Sils recently and told me being next to 
> St. Moritz is a pricey place and that his slice of pizza for lunch cost 
> $20.  But I digress.
> 
> Indeed the press around here reminds us all the time especially after we 
> have minor quakes to be sure to have supplies on hand.
> 
> On 06/09/2011 01:23 PM, whynotnow7 wrote:
> > In Bhairatu's case and mine too, earthquakes are a real threat here, so I 
> > have my survival kit in place, stored outside in a dry place where I can 
> > get to it if necessary. Things are pretty ugly here economically, though I 
> > think the probability of rebellion or revolution is *extremely* remote. I 
> > wouldn't mind though if all of the 20+ million unemployed converged on 
> > Washington DC and shut it down for awhile though.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >>> On 06/09/2011 12:29 PM, WillyTex wrote:
>  Bottom line is, how much food have you been
>  able to store up for emergencies? You'd
>  probably be one of the first people to starve
>  to death because you don't have much of a seed
>  cache and you live miles from a store.
> 
>  The city folk would surely beat you to the
>  source of your food supply.
> 
>  You'd probably last about two weeks if you had
>  some potable water to drink. Since I live only
>  about a mile from Whole Foods, I'd be able to
>  add to my stocks in about ten minutes and there
>  is a spring nearby.
> 
>  And, I'm armed so I could keep bandits off my
>  property a lot longer than you could.
> 
>  You need to get some smarts and forget about
>  the GMO issue - just concentrate on getting
>  something, anything, to eat stored up in your
>  cupboard for the bad day that's going to come.
> 
>  Here is a list to get you started:
> 
>  1. Guns
>  2. Ammo
>  3. Water
>  4. Canned goods
>  5. Seeds and beans
>  6. Matches and BIC lighters
>  7. Candles and wax
>  8. Gasoline and oil
>  9. Crank radio
>  10. Flashlight and batteries
>  11. Jerky and trail mix
> >>> And listen to GCN, RBN and Rense daily. :-D
> >>>
> >>> I keep plenty of bottled water on hand and there is
> >>> always plenty survival stuff here.  You're forgetting
> >>> I live in earthquake area where it is highly recommended
> >>> to stay stocked. That said the ability to do that is
> >>> pretty dismal as apparently those survival kits aren't
> >>> sold in stores. Costco sells a kit but the review by
> >>> locally TV said the food was pretty dismal and it was
> >>> all soy protein which I try to limit.  Most of the
> >>> "survival foods" kits have beef dishes in them which
> >>> I don't want either.
> >>>
> >>> Oh, you forgot the portable potty.  What ya gonna due
> >>> if the sewage system goes down? :-D
> >> Has anyone else noticed that we don't tend to
> >> see these survivalist fantasies coming from the
> >> European or Asian members of our forum, only
> >> from the Americans?
> >>
> >> Just sayin'...
> >>
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will / Sam Harris Once Again

[wayback71]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Sam Harris has posted a second follow up to his post on his 
> > own blog about free will (the link to which tartbrain originally 
> > posted on this forum). In this post he takes a slightly different 
> > tack on the subject:
> > 
> > You Do Not Choose What You Choose 
> > 
> > Many readers continue to find my position on free will 
> > bewildering. 
> 
> 
> As I have suggested about other believers in the 
> lack of free will here (and that they have failed
> to reply to), if they are so convinced that there 
> is no free will, WHY are they working so hard to 
> convince others (whom they insist have no free will)
> to change their minds and embrace the "no free will"
> position?
> 
> If Harris is correct, his thoughts on this matter
> and his ability to decide for free will or against
> it are not his own. The decision was made for him.
> He at no point had the ability to "choose what he
> chose."
> 
> If he is correct, all of the people he seems a bit
> perturbed with for not understanding or agreeing
> with his position *also* have no free will. Just 
> like him, they also at no point had the ability 
> to "choose what they chose."
> 
> So why is he continuing to argue, as if they (or
> *anyone* reading what he writes) had the free will 
> to choose to change their minds as a result of
> reading it?

Because he does not have the free will to decide not to?  It just feels as if 
he does.  

> 
> Something in this scenario doth not compute.
> 
> 
> > Most of the criticism I’ve received consists of some 
> > combination of the following claims:
> > 
> >1. Your account assumes that mental events are, at bottom, 
> > physical events. But if the mind is distinct from the brain 
> > (to any degree), this would allow for freedom of will.
> > 
> >2. You admit that mental eventsâ€"like choices, efforts, 
> > intentions, reasoning, etcâ€"cause certain of our actions. 
> > But such mental states presuppose free will for their very 
> > existence. Your position is self-contradictory: Either we 
> > are free to think and behave as we will, or there is no such 
> > thing as choice, effort, intention, reasoning, etc.
> > 
> >3. Even if my thoughts and actions are the product of 
> > unconscious causes, they are still my thoughts and actions. 
> > Anything that my brain does or chooses, whether consciously 
> > or not, is something that I have done or chosen. The fact 
> > that I cannot always be subjectively aware of the causes of 
> > my actions does not negate free will.
> > 
> > All of these objections express confusion about my basic 
> > premise. The first is simply falseâ€"my argument against 
> > free will does not require philosophical materialism. There 
> > is no question that (most) mental events are the product of 
> > physical eventsâ€"but even if the human mind were part soul-
> > stuff, nothing about my argument would change. The unconscious 
> > operations of a soul would grant you no more freedom than the 
> > unconscious physiology of your brain does.
> > 
> > Continues:
> > http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/you-do-not-choose-what-you-choose/
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Call to Meditation

[Buck]

Meditate and let thine eye be single,
and the whole body shall be full of light.  
Matthew 6: 22

>
> Those who tread the earth gently,
>  when the ignorant speak to them,
>  they only utter peace.  
> In the privacy of the night they meditate. 
>Quron 25:63-66
>

[FairfieldLife] Call to Meditation

[Buck]

Those who tread the earth gently,
 when the ignorant speak to them,
 they only utter peace.  
In the privacy of the night they meditate. 
   Quron 25:63-66

[FairfieldLife] True Yoga

[Yifu]

no, not Patanjali. Chris Freytag!

http://chrisfreytag.com/photo-galleries/fun-and-fitness/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 911 Towers had several explosions -- new video footage reveals.

[Bhairitu]

On 06/09/2011 12:49 PM, WillyTex wrote:
>
>>> It doesn't make any sense that anyone but a fringe
>>> nutcase would believe this, but it looks like a few
>>> FFL informants really do believe in doomsday scenarios.
>>>
> Bhairitu:
>> Boy you have no ability to see the bigger picture, do
>> you?
>>
> To plant hidden explosives inside the WTC, to explode
> AFTER the planes hit, someone would have had to bypass
> all the video cameras and security inside the WTC.
>
> But, that feat would pale in comparison to getting over
> 5,000 government employees to keep the conspiracy a
> secret! Have you seen any Wiki-leaks that could support
> any of your WTC conspiracy theories?

Uh-huh.  Just as I thought, you haven't even looked at any of the 
speculation on 9-11.  Part of the scenario were some "remodeling" on the 
building prior to 9-11 that lead to some areas being closed and 
allegedly that was when the explosives were planted.  I guess you assume 
some janitor might have alerted authorities.  5000 government employees 
wouldn't have been involved.  Only a couple hundred at best and most so 
compartmentalized that they had no idea of their involvement.

A lot of people don't want to take a position other than the "official 
conspiracy theory" on 9-11 even though there was a lot of evidence it 
was a false flag event because they don't want their bruise their egos 
and be called a "conspiracy theorist".  I could give a shit.

Anyway keep waiting for Santa, the Easter Bunny and that Maharishi was a 
member of the X-Men. :-D

[FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq]

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
   
> 
> Fine my friend. You're an idiot.
> 
> It's clear that those once close to Maharishi, that found themselves shelved
> somewhere, not invited anywhere, those who felt as if struck by lightening,
> are the same men who later was found to be rude and unfriendly to His
> students. Sometimes it was found that they, in their eagerness to serve
> Maharishi, were rude to complete strangers also. 
> 
> I have thought of this fact lately. I went trhough some of Maharishi's
> points this morning. One was not to speak ill of anyone. He claimed that by
> doing so one would acquire the carma of that particular person.
> 
> The last thing I would want is to have anything to do with the weird carma
> of Rick Archer.
> 
> I therefore solemnly swear that I from now on will not denounce anyone, so
> help me God !
> 
> It seems you made that resolution between the time you began this post by
> calling me an idiot and the time you concluded it.




That's right Rick, very clever, I appalud your presence of mind !


Is a start only. Do have patience !

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reply from Senator Harkin re GE foods

[Bhairitu]

Don't know if you ever listen to KGO-AM but Gene Burns did 3 hours last 
night on the possibility of riots this summer in the US based on the 
rising number of unemployed.  Now as you know and for the benefit of 
others who don't know KGO it is not a fringe little radio station but a 
50KW mainstream key San Francisco radio station.  It is a news talk 
station and Burns is topical and Libertarian (who voted for Obama).  But 
the topic came up due to him watching a segment on Wolf Blitzer's CNN 
show yesterday where Jack Cafferty also a CNN staffer commented on the 
possibility of civil unrest.  Here's the report that Burns was referring to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7QnwYwHQIM

There of course has been quite a bit of civil unrest in Europe as well 
as Asia.  Maybe Turq isn't paying attention.  We also are having reports 
from this year's Bilderberg meeting in the news.  It's being held in St. 
Moritz and I got a kick out of seeing a road sign posted on an article 
because it listed Sils where my grandfather grew up and in the 
neighborhood.  My nephew visited Sils recently and told me being next to 
St. Moritz is a pricey place and that his slice of pizza for lunch cost 
$20.  But I digress.

Indeed the press around here reminds us all the time especially after we 
have minor quakes to be sure to have supplies on hand.

On 06/09/2011 01:23 PM, whynotnow7 wrote:
> In Bhairatu's case and mine too, earthquakes are a real threat here, so I 
> have my survival kit in place, stored outside in a dry place where I can get 
> to it if necessary. Things are pretty ugly here economically, though I think 
> the probability of rebellion or revolution is *extremely* remote. I wouldn't 
> mind though if all of the 20+ million unemployed converged on Washington DC 
> and shut it down for awhile though.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>>> On 06/09/2011 12:29 PM, WillyTex wrote:
 Bottom line is, how much food have you been
 able to store up for emergencies? You'd
 probably be one of the first people to starve
 to death because you don't have much of a seed
 cache and you live miles from a store.

 The city folk would surely beat you to the
 source of your food supply.

 You'd probably last about two weeks if you had
 some potable water to drink. Since I live only
 about a mile from Whole Foods, I'd be able to
 add to my stocks in about ten minutes and there
 is a spring nearby.

 And, I'm armed so I could keep bandits off my
 property a lot longer than you could.

 You need to get some smarts and forget about
 the GMO issue - just concentrate on getting
 something, anything, to eat stored up in your
 cupboard for the bad day that's going to come.

 Here is a list to get you started:

 1. Guns
 2. Ammo
 3. Water
 4. Canned goods
 5. Seeds and beans
 6. Matches and BIC lighters
 7. Candles and wax
 8. Gasoline and oil
 9. Crank radio
 10. Flashlight and batteries
 11. Jerky and trail mix
>>> And listen to GCN, RBN and Rense daily. :-D
>>>
>>> I keep plenty of bottled water on hand and there is
>>> always plenty survival stuff here.  You're forgetting
>>> I live in earthquake area where it is highly recommended
>>> to stay stocked. That said the ability to do that is
>>> pretty dismal as apparently those survival kits aren't
>>> sold in stores. Costco sells a kit but the review by
>>> locally TV said the food was pretty dismal and it was
>>> all soy protein which I try to limit.  Most of the
>>> "survival foods" kits have beef dishes in them which
>>> I don't want either.
>>>
>>> Oh, you forgot the portable potty.  What ya gonna due
>>> if the sewage system goes down? :-D
>> Has anyone else noticed that we don't tend to
>> see these survivalist fantasies coming from the
>> European or Asian members of our forum, only
>> from the Americans?
>>
>> Just sayin'...
>>
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Comic attack

[Yifu]

http://comicattack.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Uncanny522cover_02.jpg

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will / Sam Harris Once Again

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  
> 
> I was suggesting that I have a similar Bzzt reaction
> when seeing Harris claim that there is no free will and
> no ability to choose, and yet arguing for several posts
> now with others, seemingly in an attempt to get them to
> choose. Bt.

If Harris is 'right,' what difference does it make if someone 'chooses' one way 
or the other, or just ignores that a choice is available? If Harris is 'wrong,' 
what difference does it make if someone chooses one way or the other, or just 
ignores that a choice is available? Does one have a free choice to think that 
there is no choice? If there is no free choice, can one be impelled to think 
there is? If you undeviatingly always make the same choice, is that free?

RE: [FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq]

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 3:31 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was
Re:Two...questions from Turq]

 

  

Fine my friend. You're an idiot.

It's clear that those once close to Maharishi, that found themselves shelved
somewhere, not invited anywhere, those who felt as if struck by lightening,
are the same men who later was found to be rude and unfriendly to His
students. Sometimes it was found that they, in their eagerness to serve
Maharishi, were rude to complete strangers also. 

I have thought of this fact lately. I went trhough some of Maharishi's
points this morning. One was not to speak ill of anyone. He claimed that by
doing so one would acquire the carma of that particular person.

The last thing I would want is to have anything to do with the weird carma
of Rick Archer.

I therefore solemnly swear that I from now on will not denounce anyone, so
help me God !

It seems you made that resolution between the time you began this post by
calling me an idiot and the time you concluded it.

[FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq]

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>
> wtf? I ask you a question and all of a sudden you are the victim of spiritual 
> one-upsmanship?



Hey Jim,

It came on the heels of a pretty harsh post from you which said :

 
> 

There is a whole heaping helping of one upmanship in that insult stream so I 
didn't know you had switched gears.  I have a hard time taking your "WTF" 
seriously.  I don't believe I have read you wrong. I am taking you are face 
value, you are claiming that you are in a special state of consciousness and I 
am not.  

I was also reading the snark in the line:   >If you are indeed self realized, 
this should be a gimme for you.>

That is not the start of a friendly discussion, it was a challenge.

I don't feel as though you are being straight with me.

This was in reaction to my own post which was not a personal attack on you, but 
was about ideas, and how mine differ from Maharishi's.  I don't know why you 
feel compelled to make such discussions personal.  You and I have had a very 
different relationship with the guy.  I am entitled to my opinion without 
having to defend myself personally. 

My view of self realization is independent from any of the states produced 
through Maharishi's programs. But it certainly includes the ability to discuss 
ideas without having to insult the person who doesn't share your beliefs.  That 
would be about the lowest bar required IMO.  


 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>
> wtf? I ask you a question and all of a sudden you are the victim of spiritual 
> one-upsmanship? I am curious how your def of self realization differs. What I 
> meant when I asked about your SOC was that you have been in the Movement so 
> you know what the milestones of CC, GC and UC are. Whether you accept 
> Maharishi's definitions, self-realization has specific attributes. That's 
> where I was going with it. Just as I don't read every word of yours, it is 
> clear you don't read mine (which is nbd), otherwise you would know I have 
> never played spiritual one upsmanship games here. The only folks that do are 
> B and V. It is a huge time waster and distraction, imo. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > >
> > 
> > > Yes, we want to see your papers, Herr Curtis! There are some reported 
> > > hoodlums and lower rogue elements masquerading as self-realized beings. 
> > > We have orders to shoot these frauds on sight.
> > > 
> > > Remember Herr Curtis, you can't simply bask in the joy of your own 
> > > existence. You must be certified to do so. And enjoying life without 
> > > proper papers and titles, impossible!
> > 
> > Ya vol mein herr!
> > 
> > The first rule of spiritual one upmanship is that MY self-realization is 
> > the right one, and yours is the wrong one. 
> > 
> > The second is, if you dont't use the authorized names to describe it that I 
> > do,then your self realization is relative and superficial, and mine is 
> > absolute and deep.
> > 
> > The third rule is never talk about fight club.  Wait a second, that is 
> > supposed to be the first rule, sorry! 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey Curtis, my responses below:
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How do you know what someone in CC, GC, or UC perceives, or 
> > > > > > doesn't? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Same way I know what anyone does, by what they express. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Seems like you, Curtis and Vaj enjoy wasting your time speculating 
> > > > > > about self realization, without any attempt to accomplish it 
> > > > > > yourselves. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I am self realized.
> > > > 
> > > > Which state of consciousness please (CC, GC, UC)? 
> > > 
> > > Yes, we want to see your papers, Herr Curtis! There are some reported 
> > > hoodlums and lower rogue elements masquerading as self-realized beings. 
> > > We have orders to shoot these frauds on sight.
> > > 
> > > Remember Herr Curtis, you can't simply bask in the joy of your own 
> > > existence. You must be certified to do so. And enjoying life without 
> > > proper papers and titles, impossible!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >If you are indeed self realized, this should be a gimme for you.
> > > > 
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq]

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 1:02 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was
> Re:Two...questions from Turq]
> 
>  
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> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> 
> [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  ]
> > On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
> > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 12:42 PM
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> 
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the
> work[was
> > Re:Two...questions from Turq]
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Having lost direction in life, some rejoice in posting on a forum for
> > nitwits brought about by the "King of Irony and the Disenchantment"; Rick
> > Archer
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hey Nabby, I don't have time to read FFL much lately, much less post, but
> > I'm glad I happened to notice this post, as it brings joy to my heart to
> > know you're still thinking of me, and expressing your sentiments so
> > poetically. Where's my crown?
> 
> Hear, hear; the King of Inverted Irony speaks yet again !
> 
> Yes, I clambered out of my ironic pit of disenchantment, was dazzled by
> golden, enchanted rays of certainty, and now must return and resume
> wallowing.



Fine my friend. You're an idiot.

It's clear that those once close to Maharishi, that found themselves shelved 
somewhere, not invited anywhere, those who felt as if struck by lightening, are 
the same men who later was found to be rude and unfriendly to His students. 
Sometimes it was found that they, in their eagerness to serve Maharishi, were 
rude to complete strangers also. 

I have thought of this fact lately. I went trhough some of Maharishi's points 
this morning. One was not to speak ill of anyone. He claimed that by doing so 
one would acquire the carma of that particular person.

The last thing I would want is to have anything to do with the weird carma of 
Rick Archer.

I therefore solemnly swear that I from now on will not denounce anyone, so help 
me God !

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: FW: Fwd: Fw: Classic movie quotes - UNCUT and FUNNY

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Reply from Senator Harkin re GE foods

[whynotnow7]

In Bhairatu's case and mine too, earthquakes are a real threat here, so I have 
my survival kit in place, stored outside in a dry place where I can get to it 
if necessary. Things are pretty ugly here economically, though I think the 
probability of rebellion or revolution is *extremely* remote. I wouldn't mind 
though if all of the 20+ million unemployed converged on Washington DC and shut 
it down for awhile though.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > On 06/09/2011 12:29 PM, WillyTex wrote:
> > >
> > > Bottom line is, how much food have you been
> > > able to store up for emergencies? You'd
> > > probably be one of the first people to starve
> > > to death because you don't have much of a seed
> > > cache and you live miles from a store.
> > >
> > > The city folk would surely beat you to the
> > > source of your food supply.
> > >
> > > You'd probably last about two weeks if you had
> > > some potable water to drink. Since I live only
> > > about a mile from Whole Foods, I'd be able to
> > > add to my stocks in about ten minutes and there
> > > is a spring nearby.
> > >
> > > And, I'm armed so I could keep bandits off my
> > > property a lot longer than you could.
> > >
> > > You need to get some smarts and forget about
> > > the GMO issue - just concentrate on getting
> > > something, anything, to eat stored up in your
> > > cupboard for the bad day that's going to come.
> > >
> > > Here is a list to get you started:
> > >
> > > 1. Guns
> > > 2. Ammo
> > > 3. Water
> > > 4. Canned goods
> > > 5. Seeds and beans
> > > 6. Matches and BIC lighters
> > > 7. Candles and wax
> > > 8. Gasoline and oil
> > > 9. Crank radio
> > > 10. Flashlight and batteries
> > > 11. Jerky and trail mix
> > 
> > And listen to GCN, RBN and Rense daily. :-D
> > 
> > I keep plenty of bottled water on hand and there is 
> > always plenty survival stuff here.  You're forgetting 
> > I live in earthquake area where it is highly recommended 
> > to stay stocked. That said the ability to do that is 
> > pretty dismal as apparently those survival kits aren't 
> > sold in stores. Costco sells a kit but the review by 
> > locally TV said the food was pretty dismal and it was 
> > all soy protein which I try to limit.  Most of the 
> > "survival foods" kits have beef dishes in them which 
> > I don't want either.
> > 
> > Oh, you forgot the portable potty.  What ya gonna due 
> > if the sewage system goes down? :-D
> 
> Has anyone else noticed that we don't tend to 
> see these survivalist fantasies coming from the
> European or Asian members of our forum, only
> from the Americans?
> 
> Just sayin'...
>

[FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq]

[whynotnow7]

Adyashanti has a different take on those who muddle or quit their sadhana which 
I appreciated because it was more a choice by them to continue exercising their 
will and ego, which is deliberately challenged and brought to crisis by 
spiritual practice, vs continuing with the practice. Takes a lot of the rancor 
out of the equation. 

I also wouldn't personally toss Rick in with the disenchantment crowd. Like 
many of us, he has found his own way, and finds no pleasure that I can see in 
relentlessly bashing MMY and the TMO.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> >
> > Thanks - There is some excellent follow on info to what I am referring to 
> > in the talk Rick sent out by Adyashanti, where Adyashanti speaks 
> > specifically in the beginning of his talk about the process of challenging 
> > the will or ego through spiritual practice. He mentions those who were not 
> > all that serious about their quest, either changing teachers numerous times 
> > or giving up altogether on spiritual growth, preferring material and even 
> > spiritual distractions. I listened to the whole thing - quite good.
> 
> 
> Thanks. Again you point to the heart of the matter regarding the posters here 
> who almost hate Maharishi, Muktananda or any other Master who tried, and 
> sucessfully did spread Light to the western world.
> 
> Their own Sahdhana was a failiure, thus their spiritual lives are in ruin, 
> running off to esoteric studies which brings them nowhere or Buddhism which 
> brings them to yet another dead end of nothingness.
> 
> Blaming some of the only Masters they had the good fortune of meeting in this 
> life is the easy way of explaining their misery.
> 
> My idea, since reading the post of these failiures for several years on FFL 
> is simply that having had this opportunity does not mean they will have the 
> good opportunity again in an incarnation anytime soon. 
> 
> I seems to me the Masters of Wisdom have made an experiment by exposing some 
> of their youngest Masters to the "Hard rocks of Ignorance", the Western 
> World. Even sending some of them to live and teach in Europe and the USA. 
> 
> These Masters came through brilliantly, many of their socalled "students"; 
> not so much. 
> 
> Having lost direction in life, some rejoice in posting on a forum for nitwits 
> brought about by the "King of Irony and the Disenchantment"; Rick Archer.
>

[FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq]

[whynotnow7]

yeah I did several about faces regarding MMY's 7 SOC since learning TM. For the 
first few decades I was all gung ho about it, looking for any indications of my 
SOC re: TC, CC, GC, UC. Then not knowing what it was, I exhausted myself into 
CC. Went through the Big Relief honeymoon phase where it no longer mattered to 
me. Then being someone who is always up for a challenge, I began looking at my 
SOC from the POV of MMY's 7 SOC to see if there were correlations. And found 
that as I evolved past CC, there were signposts, and in retrospect clear 
signposts re: CC too. So that is where I am coming from. PS I really enjoyed 
Rick's post of Adyashanti's talk on the dark nights of the will.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > >
> > 
> > > Yes, we want to see your papers, Herr Curtis! There are some reported 
> > > hoodlums and lower rogue elements masquerading as self-realized beings. 
> > > We have orders to shoot these frauds on sight.
> > > 
> > > Remember Herr Curtis, you can't simply bask in the joy of your own 
> > > existence. You must be certified to do so. And enjoying life without 
> > > proper papers and titles, impossible!
> > 
> > Ya vol mein herr!
> > 
> > The first rule of spiritual one upmanship is that MY self-realization is 
> > the right one, and yours is the wrong one. 
> > 
> > The second is, if you dont't use the authorized names to describe it that I 
> > do,then your self realization is relative and superficial, and mine is 
> > absolute and deep.
> > 
> > The third rule is never talk about fight club.  Wait a second, that is 
> > supposed to be the first rule, sorry! 
> > 
> 
> Actually, self-realization is a  huge joke some himalayan yogis made up. 
> Realization is that there is no self-of substance. Its just a faceted mind 
> states overlain on pure existence. Those that make a huge deal of their mind 
> states, with fancy labels, make the yogis roar with laughter. 
> 
>  
>  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey Curtis, my responses below:
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How do you know what someone in CC, GC, or UC perceives, or 
> > > > > > doesn't? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Same way I know what anyone does, by what they express. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Seems like you, Curtis and Vaj enjoy wasting your time speculating 
> > > > > > about self realization, without any attempt to accomplish it 
> > > > > > yourselves. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I am self realized.
> > > > 
> > > > Which state of consciousness please (CC, GC, UC)? 
> > > 
> > > Yes, we want to see your papers, Herr Curtis! There are some reported 
> > > hoodlums and lower rogue elements masquerading as self-realized beings. 
> > > We have orders to shoot these frauds on sight.
> > > 
> > > Remember Herr Curtis, you can't simply bask in the joy of your own 
> > > existence. You must be certified to do so. And enjoying life without 
> > > proper papers and titles, impossible!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >If you are indeed self realized, this should be a gimme for you.
> > > > 
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reply from Senator Harkin re GE foods

[WillyTex]

> > You need to get some smarts and forget about
> > the GMO issue - just concentrate on getting
> > something, anything, to eat stored up in your
> > cupboard for the bad day that's going to come.
> >
Bhairitu:
> Oh, you forgot the portable potty...
>
Well, I already have a brick shit-house on my 
property and lots of corn cobs too, both yellow 
and brown.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sarah Palin and Paul Revere

[WillyTex]

Bhairitu:
> Weiner's wiener is the big distraction now...
> 
So, Weiner's 'wiener' is a distraction from Sarah 
Palin? How are you Dems going to win an election
running on that platform, when Palin isn't even 
in office?

[FairfieldLife] Re: 911 Towers had several explosions -- new video footage reveals.

[WillyTex]

> > It doesn't make any sense that anyone but a fringe
> > nutcase would believe this, but it looks like a few
> > FFL informants really do believe in doomsday scenarios.
> >
Bhairitu: 
> Boy you have no ability to see the bigger picture, do 
> you? 
>
To plant hidden explosives inside the WTC, to explode 
AFTER the planes hit, someone would have had to bypass 
all the video cameras and security inside the WTC. 

But, that feat would pale in comparison to getting over 
5,000 government employees to keep the conspiracy a 
secret! Have you seen any Wiki-leaks that could support
any of your WTC conspiracy theories?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sarah Palin and Paul Revere

[WillyTex]

Rick Archer:
> Yes sir just when you thought she couldn't 
> get any dumber:
> 
So, you're thinking that Sarah Palin is the
most important issue in the next election?

Go figure.

But, if I were you and I was worried about 
the next election, I'd be worried as hell 
that Rick Perry might run for the top office!

[FairfieldLife] Benjamin Creme on Cause, Effect and Harmlesness

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ558j7g1OY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CorVGZQgmN4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHqncRa4fcA&feature=related



Being an architectual photographer, I don't work with telephoto. 

Seing the Star I grabbed the camera, a silly little Canon G9, leaned on to a 
pole and did this photo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNlH9zLzot4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrc4t43pWkg&NR=1

All glory to the eternal Masters of Wisdom !
All Glory to Guru Dev !
All Glory to Maharishi !

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reply from Senator Harkin re GE foods

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 06/09/2011 12:29 PM, WillyTex wrote:
> >
> > Bottom line is, how much food have you been
> > able to store up for emergencies? You'd
> > probably be one of the first people to starve
> > to death because you don't have much of a seed
> > cache and you live miles from a store.
> >
> > The city folk would surely beat you to the
> > source of your food supply.
> >
> > You'd probably last about two weeks if you had
> > some potable water to drink. Since I live only
> > about a mile from Whole Foods, I'd be able to
> > add to my stocks in about ten minutes and there
> > is a spring nearby.
> >
> > And, I'm armed so I could keep bandits off my
> > property a lot longer than you could.
> >
> > You need to get some smarts and forget about
> > the GMO issue - just concentrate on getting
> > something, anything, to eat stored up in your
> > cupboard for the bad day that's going to come.
> >
> > Here is a list to get you started:
> >
> > 1. Guns
> > 2. Ammo
> > 3. Water
> > 4. Canned goods
> > 5. Seeds and beans
> > 6. Matches and BIC lighters
> > 7. Candles and wax
> > 8. Gasoline and oil
> > 9. Crank radio
> > 10. Flashlight and batteries
> > 11. Jerky and trail mix
> 
> And listen to GCN, RBN and Rense daily. :-D
> 
> I keep plenty of bottled water on hand and there is 
> always plenty survival stuff here.  You're forgetting 
> I live in earthquake area where it is highly recommended 
> to stay stocked. That said the ability to do that is 
> pretty dismal as apparently those survival kits aren't 
> sold in stores. Costco sells a kit but the review by 
> locally TV said the food was pretty dismal and it was 
> all soy protein which I try to limit.  Most of the 
> "survival foods" kits have beef dishes in them which 
> I don't want either.
> 
> Oh, you forgot the portable potty.  What ya gonna due 
> if the sewage system goes down? :-D

Has anyone else noticed that we don't tend to 
see these survivalist fantasies coming from the
European or Asian members of our forum, only
from the Americans?

Just sayin'...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reply from Senator Harkin re GE foods

[Bhairitu]

On 06/09/2011 12:29 PM, WillyTex wrote:
>
>>> But, none of our Texas prairie dogs are GMO,
>>> they are all organic! According to what I've
>>> read almost ALL of your meat sources in CA
>>> are fed with GMO livestock feed! Good luck.
>>>
> Bhairitu:
>> How do you know your prairie dogs didn't get
>> into some PCBs?
>>
> Just don't let them out of the house!
>
> Bottom line is, how much food have you been
> able to store up for emergencies? You'd
> probably be one of the first people to starve
> to death because you don't have much of a seed
> cache and you live miles from a store.
>
> The city folk would surely beat you to the
> source of your food supply.
>
> You'd probably last about two weeks if you had
> some potable water to drink. Since I live only
> about a mile from Whole Foods, I'd be able to
> add to my stocks in about ten minutes and there
> is a spring nearby.
>
> And, I'm armed so I could keep bandits off my
> property a lot longer than you could.
>
> You need to get some smarts and forget about
> the GMO issue - just concentrate on getting
> something, anything, to eat stored up in your
> cupboard for the bad day that's going to come.
>
> Here is a list to get you started:
>
> 1. Guns
> 2. Ammo
> 3. Water
> 4. Canned goods
> 5. Seeds and beans
> 6. Matches and BIC lighters
> 7. Candles and wax
> 8. Gasoline and oil
> 9. Crank radio
> 10. Flashlight and batteries
> 11. Jerky and trail mix

And listen to GCN, RBN and Rense daily. :-D

I keep plenty of bottled water on hand and there is always plenty 
survival stuff here.  You're forgetting I live in earthquake area where 
it is highly recommended to stay stocked.  That said the ability to do 
that is pretty dismal as apparently those survival kits aren't sold in 
stores.  Costco sells a kit but the review by locally TV said the food 
was pretty dismal and it was all soy protein which I try to limit.  Most 
of the "survival foods" kits have beef dishes in them which I don't want 
either.

Oh, you forgot the portable potty.  What ya gonna due if the sewage 
system goes down? :-D

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reply from Senator Harkin re GE foods

[WillyTex]

> > But, none of our Texas prairie dogs are GMO,
> > they are all organic! According to what I've
> > read almost ALL of your meat sources in CA
> > are fed with GMO livestock feed! Good luck.
> >
Bhairitu:
> How do you know your prairie dogs didn't get 
> into some PCBs?
>
Just don't let them out of the house!

Bottom line is, how much food have you been
able to store up for emergencies? You'd
probably be one of the first people to starve
to death because you don't have much of a seed 
cache and you live miles from a store. 

The city folk would surely beat you to the 
source of your food supply.

You'd probably last about two weeks if you had 
some potable water to drink. Since I live only 
about a mile from Whole Foods, I'd be able to 
add to my stocks in about ten minutes and there
is a spring nearby. 

And, I'm armed so I could keep bandits off my
property a lot longer than you could. 

You need to get some smarts and forget about 
the GMO issue - just concentrate on getting 
something, anything, to eat stored up in your 
cupboard for the bad day that's going to come.

Here is a list to get you started:

1. Guns
2. Ammo
3. Water
4. Canned goods
5. Seeds and beans
6. Matches and BIC lighters
7. Candles and wax
8. Gasoline and oil
9. Crank radio
10. Flashlight and batteries
11. Jerky and trail mix

[FairfieldLife] Rare Documentary: Maitreya's appearance in Nairobi, Kenya, 1988

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WounDKQ0sn8&feature=related

[FairfieldLife] Raj Patel: Cap, But Don't Trade

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n21S231Pe70&feature=fvst

The Value of Nothing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P03nNeYiJo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oagmlbhobnY&feature=fvwrel

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reply from Senator Harkin re GE foods

[Bhairitu]

On 06/09/2011 09:57 AM, WillyTex wrote:
>
>>> Not all of Whole Foods organics are modified,
>>> but compared to what you're getting at your
>>> local Safeway, it's pretty organic!
>>>
> Bhairitu:
>> The closest grocer is a Knob Hill which is a
>> Bay Area chain and they have an organic
>> section...
>>
> There's "no way to tell if packaged products
> contain GMO ingredients", so you've probably
> been eating GMO foods for years, no matter where
> you buy it.
>
> About all you can hope for is to avoid the kind
> of illness they are experiencing now in Europe
> with the contaminated produce.
>
> But, none of our Texas prairie dogs are GMO,
> they are all organic! According to what I've
> read almost ALL of your meat sources in CA
> are fed with GMO livestock feed! Good luck.
>
> http://www.naturalnews.com/032628_Whole_Foods_GMOs.html

How do you know your prairie dogs didn't get into some PCBs?   Do you 
take your prairie dog meat in to get tested?

[FairfieldLife] Buddhist Economics? Raj Patel Suggests a Middle Path [DailyFinance]

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hno7NgF82DM

RE: [FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq]

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 1:02 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was
Re:Two...questions from Turq]

 

  



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 ]
> On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 12:42 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 

> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the
work[was
> Re:Two...questions from Turq]
> 
> 
> 
> Having lost direction in life, some rejoice in posting on a forum for
> nitwits brought about by the "King of Irony and the Disenchantment"; Rick
> Archer
> 
> 
> 
> Hey Nabby, I don't have time to read FFL much lately, much less post, but
> I'm glad I happened to notice this post, as it brings joy to my heart to
> know you're still thinking of me, and expressing your sentiments so
> poetically. Where's my crown?

Hear, hear; the King of Inverted Irony speaks yet again !

Yes, I clambered out of my ironic pit of disenchantment, was dazzled by
golden, enchanted rays of certainty, and now must return and resume
wallowing.

[FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq]

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 12:42 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was
> Re:Two...questions from Turq]
> 
>  
> 
> Having lost direction in life, some rejoice in posting on a forum for
> nitwits brought about by the "King of Irony and the Disenchantment"; Rick
> Archer
> 
>  
> 
> Hey Nabby, I don't have time to read FFL much lately, much less post, but
> I'm glad I happened to notice this post, as it brings joy to my heart to
> know you're still thinking of me, and expressing your sentiments so
> poetically. Where's my crown?


Hear, hear; the King of Inverted Irony speaks yet again !
>

RE: [FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq]

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 12:42 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was
Re:Two...questions from Turq]

 

Having lost direction in life, some rejoice in posting on a forum for
nitwits brought about by the "King of Irony and the Disenchantment"; Rick
Archer

 

Hey Nabby, I don't have time to read FFL much lately, much less post, but
I'm glad I happened to notice this post, as it brings joy to my heart to
know you're still thinking of me, and expressing your sentiments so
poetically. Where's my crown?

 

[FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq]

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>
> Thanks - There is some excellent follow on info to what I am referring to in 
> the talk Rick sent out by Adyashanti, where Adyashanti speaks specifically in 
> the beginning of his talk about the process of challenging the will or ego 
> through spiritual practice. He mentions those who were not all that serious 
> about their quest, either changing teachers numerous times or giving up 
> altogether on spiritual growth, preferring material and even spiritual 
> distractions. I listened to the whole thing - quite good.


Thanks. Again you point to the heart of the matter regarding the posters here 
who almost hate Maharishi, Muktananda or any other Master who tried, and 
sucessfully did spread Light to the western world.

Their own Sahdhana was a failiure, thus their spiritual lives are in ruin, 
running off to esoteric studies which brings them nowhere or Buddhism which 
brings them to yet another dead end of nothingness.

Blaming some of the only Masters they had the good fortune of meeting in this 
life is the easy way of explaining their misery.

My idea, since reading the post of these failiures for several years on FFL is 
simply that having had this opportunity does not mean they will have the good 
opportunity again in an incarnation anytime soon. 

I seems to me the Masters of Wisdom have made an experiment by exposing some of 
their youngest Masters to the "Hard rocks of Ignorance", the Western World. 
Even sending some of them to live and teach in Europe and the USA. 

These Masters came through brilliantly, many of their socalled "students"; not 
so much. 

Having lost direction in life, some rejoice in posting on a forum for nitwits 
brought about by the "King of Irony and the Disenchantment"; Rick Archer.

[FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq]

[whynotnow7]

wtf? I ask you a question and all of a sudden you are the victim of spiritual 
one-upsmanship? I am curious how your def of self realization differs. What I 
meant when I asked about your SOC was that you have been in the Movement so you 
know what the milestones of CC, GC and UC are. Whether you accept Maharishi's 
definitions, self-realization has specific attributes. That's where I was going 
with it. Just as I don't read every word of yours, it is clear you don't read 
mine (which is nbd), otherwise you would know I have never played spiritual one 
upsmanship games here. The only folks that do are B and V. It is a huge time 
waster and distraction, imo. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> >
> 
> > Yes, we want to see your papers, Herr Curtis! There are some reported 
> > hoodlums and lower rogue elements masquerading as self-realized beings. We 
> > have orders to shoot these frauds on sight.
> > 
> > Remember Herr Curtis, you can't simply bask in the joy of your own 
> > existence. You must be certified to do so. And enjoying life without proper 
> > papers and titles, impossible!
> 
> Ya vol mein herr!
> 
> The first rule of spiritual one upmanship is that MY self-realization is the 
> right one, and yours is the wrong one. 
> 
> The second is, if you dont't use the authorized names to describe it that I 
> do,then your self realization is relative and superficial, and mine is 
> absolute and deep.
> 
> The third rule is never talk about fight club.  Wait a second, that is 
> supposed to be the first rule, sorry! 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey Curtis, my responses below:
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > How do you know what someone in CC, GC, or UC perceives, or doesn't? 
> > > > 
> > > > Same way I know what anyone does, by what they express. 
> > > > 
> > > > > Seems like you, Curtis and Vaj enjoy wasting your time speculating 
> > > > > about self realization, without any attempt to accomplish it 
> > > > > yourselves. 
> > > > 
> > > > I am self realized.
> > > 
> > > Which state of consciousness please (CC, GC, UC)? 
> > 
> > Yes, we want to see your papers, Herr Curtis! There are some reported 
> > hoodlums and lower rogue elements masquerading as self-realized beings. We 
> > have orders to shoot these frauds on sight.
> > 
> > Remember Herr Curtis, you can't simply bask in the joy of your own 
> > existence. You must be certified to do so. And enjoying life without proper 
> > papers and titles, impossible!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >If you are indeed self realized, this should be a gimme for you.
> > > 
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reply from Senator Harkin re GE foods

[WillyTex]

> > Not all of Whole Foods organics are modified,
> > but compared to what you're getting at your
> > local Safeway, it's pretty organic!
> >
Bhairitu:
> The closest grocer is a Knob Hill which is a 
> Bay Area chain and they have an organic 
> section...
>
There's "no way to tell if packaged products 
contain GMO ingredients", so you've probably 
been eating GMO foods for years, no matter where 
you buy it. 

About all you can hope for is to avoid the kind 
of illness they are experiencing now in Europe 
with the contaminated produce. 

But, none of our Texas prairie dogs are GMO, 
they are all organic! According to what I've
read almost ALL of your meat sources in CA
are fed with GMO livestock feed! Good luck.

http://www.naturalnews.com/032628_Whole_Foods_GMOs.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 911 Towers had several explosions -- new video footage reveals.

[Bhairitu]

On 06/09/2011 09:14 AM, Duveyoung wrote:
> Bhairitu wrote:
>
> "Now Edg, you know on FFL you've got to connect that somehow to whether  the 
> world is going to end and FFL'ers didn't even make it to CC.   Obviously 
> looking at the hot topics here that's whats really important,  not the 
> biggest bank heist in the history of the world.  Or that this  summer is 
> going to be a riot. ;-)"
>
>
> Okay, how about, "the Maharishi Effect didn't prevent it" as the 
> conversational nexus?
>
> Or, "Those firemen were probably so stressed up from the experience that 
> virtually all their elephants were deeply sleeping and needing much rest to 
> heal, so therefore these firemen were speaking straight from pure being in 
> that no elephant was stomping around producing non-natural thoughts; 
> therefore: their testimony is indisputable."
>
> Or, "Did anyone notice that Turq was conveniently out of the country when it 
> all happened?"
>
> Or, "Where's all this extra extra powerful force that Maharishi was supposed 
> to become after he shed the body which was taking up so much of his mojo?  
> Shouldn't he have reversed time by now?"
>
> Or, "If you play this video backwards, one can clearly hear "The Beatles did 
> it in revenge against Sexy Sadie."
>
> Need more?
>
> Edg

Or maybe just titling the thread "Did Free Will Lead to 9-11?" :-D

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 911 Towers had several explosions -- new video footage reveals.

[Bhairitu]

On 06/09/2011 09:39 AM, WillyTex wrote:
>
> Bhairitu:
>> Now Edg, you know on FFL you've got to connect that
>> somehow to whether the world is going to end..
>>
> So, you're thinking that explosives were planted in the
> WTC and timed to go off at almost the exact time the
> planes hit the WTC? How would anyone know WHEN EXACTLY
> the planes would hit the building, so they could activate
> the explosions AFTER but no BEFORE the planes hit?
>
> We all know that the disastrous attack has been planned
> and executed by the American CIA and the Israeli Mossad,
> right? So that the U.S. and it's allies could accuse
> the Taliban and then invade Afghanistan?
>
> So, for what reason would the U.S. invade Iraq, since
> it is obvious that Saddam had nothing to do with the WTC
> attack of 9/11? To drive the world to 'doomsday' by
> starting World War III?
>
> It doesn't make any sense that anyone but a fringe
> nutcase would believe this, but it looks like a few
> FFL informants really do believe in doomsday scenarios.
>
> Go figure.

Boy you have no ability to see the bigger picture, do you?   You must 
have missed that sidhi. :-D

Re: [FairfieldLife] 911 Towers had several explosions -- new video footage reveals.

[Bhairitu]

On 06/09/2011 09:24 AM, Vaj wrote:
>
> On Jun 9, 2011, at 12:02 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
>
>> On 06/09/2011 06:19 AM, Duveyoung wrote:
>>> http://www.disinfo.com/2010/10/911-firefighters-reveal-huge-explosions-before-towers-collapsed/
>>>  
>>>
>>
>> Now Edg, you know on FFL you've got to connect that somehow to whether
>> the world is going to end and FFL'ers didn't even make it to CC.
>> Obviously looking at the hot topics here that's whats really important,
>> not the biggest bank heist in the history of the world.  Or that this
>> summer is going to be a riot. ;-)
>
> What they'd have to do is show that planes filled with jet fuel 
> wouldn't cause such explosions of and by themselves. I'm no expert, 
> but I know from the times I've seen regular gasoline vapor catch a 
> spark or a flame, it causes a huge explosion - out in the open! I 
> think it's pretty ludicrous to assume thousands of gallons of jet fuel 
> pouring down huge stairwells and into various cavities of a skyscraper 
> would not create an ideal situation for jet fuel explosions.
>
> And of course the entire building was probably piped for natural gas.
>
> Have they ruled out these most common sense explanations?
>
> What about the internal pancaking of the building and the ensuing 
> pressures that would cause before showing signs of external collapse? 
> (the WTCs had a weird exoskeleton-kind of construction) Wouldn't that 
> also cause explosion-like artifacts?

Would have helped if they hadn't cleaned up the crime scene so fast, 
wouldn't it.  Investigator might have had time to determine if the beams 
had been precut.  But looking at the bigger picture it was just a huge 
bank heist as well as the first "shock and awe" to get the century of 
"endless war" started.  Bunch of guys with box cutters, give me a break!

[FairfieldLife] Re: 911 Towers had several explosions -- new video footage reveals.

[WillyTex]

Bhairitu:
> Now Edg, you know on FFL you've got to connect that 
> somehow to whether the world is going to end..
>
So, you're thinking that explosives were planted in the 
WTC and timed to go off at almost the exact time the 
planes hit the WTC? How would anyone know WHEN EXACTLY 
the planes would hit the building, so they could activate 
the explosions AFTER but no BEFORE the planes hit?

We all know that the disastrous attack has been planned 
and executed by the American CIA and the Israeli Mossad, 
right? So that the U.S. and it's allies could accuse 
the Taliban and then invade Afghanistan? 

So, for what reason would the U.S. invade Iraq, since 
it is obvious that Saddam had nothing to do with the WTC 
attack of 9/11? To drive the world to 'doomsday' by 
starting World War III? 

It doesn't make any sense that anyone but a fringe 
nutcase would believe this, but it looks like a few 
FFL informants really do believe in doomsday scenarios. 

Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 911 Towers had several explosions -- new video footage reveals.

[Vaj]

On Jun 9, 2011, at 12:14 PM, Duveyoung wrote:


Bhairitu wrote:

"Now Edg, you know on FFL you've got to connect that somehow to  
whether  the world is going to end and FFL'ers didn't even make it  
to CC.   Obviously looking at the hot topics here that's whats  
really important,  not the biggest bank heist in the history of the  
world.  Or that this  summer is going to be a riot. ;-)"



Okay, how about, "the Maharishi Effect didn't prevent it" as the  
conversational nexus?


Or, "Those firemen were probably so stressed up from the experience  
that virtually all their elephants were deeply sleeping and needing  
much rest to heal, so therefore these firemen were speaking  
straight from pure being in that no elephant was stomping around  
producing non-natural thoughts; therefore: their testimony is  
indisputable."


Or, "Did anyone notice that Turq was conveniently out of the  
country when it all happened?"


Or, "Where's all this extra extra powerful force that Maharishi was  
supposed to become after he shed the body which was taking up so  
much of his mojo?  Shouldn't he have reversed time by now?"


Or, "If you play this video backwards, one can clearly hear "The  
Beatles did it in revenge against Sexy Sadie."


Need more?


Nah, it was probably just the result of a Necronomicon-based  
interdimensional portal opening up, creating a wormhole between our  
world and that of the Ancient Ones.


I'm pretty sure I saw a video where the tentacles of Cthulu could  
clearly be seen. Of course all the news outlets refused to play that  
particular angle.

Re: [FairfieldLife] 911 Towers had several explosions -- new video footage reveals.

[Vaj]

On Jun 9, 2011, at 12:02 PM, Bhairitu wrote:


On 06/09/2011 06:19 AM, Duveyoung wrote:
http://www.disinfo.com/2010/10/911-firefighters-reveal-huge- 
explosions-before-towers-collapsed/


Now Edg, you know on FFL you've got to connect that somehow to whether
the world is going to end and FFL'ers didn't even make it to CC.
Obviously looking at the hot topics here that's whats really  
important,

not the biggest bank heist in the history of the world.  Or that this
summer is going to be a riot. ;-)


What they'd have to do is show that planes filled with jet fuel  
wouldn't cause such explosions of and by themselves. I'm no expert,  
but I know from the times I've seen regular gasoline vapor catch a  
spark or a flame, it causes a huge explosion - out in the open! I  
think it's pretty ludicrous to assume thousands of gallons of jet  
fuel pouring down huge stairwells and into various cavities of a  
skyscraper would not create an ideal situation for jet fuel explosions.


And of course the entire building was probably piped for natural gas.

Have they ruled out these most common sense explanations?

What about the internal pancaking of the building and the ensuing  
pressures that would cause before showing signs of external collapse?  
(the WTCs had a weird exoskeleton-kind of construction) Wouldn't that  
also cause explosion-like artifacts?

[FairfieldLife] Re: 911 Towers had several explosions -- new video footage reveals.

[Duveyoung]

Bhairitu wrote:

"Now Edg, you know on FFL you've got to connect that somehow to whether  the 
world is going to end and FFL'ers didn't even make it to CC.   Obviously 
looking at the hot topics here that's whats really important,  not the biggest 
bank heist in the history of the world.  Or that this  summer is going to be a 
riot. ;-)"


Okay, how about, "the Maharishi Effect didn't prevent it" as the conversational 
nexus?

Or, "Those firemen were probably so stressed up from the experience that 
virtually all their elephants were deeply sleeping and needing much rest to 
heal, so therefore these firemen were speaking straight from pure being in that 
no elephant was stomping around producing non-natural thoughts; therefore: 
their testimony is indisputable."

Or, "Did anyone notice that Turq was conveniently out of the country when it 
all happened?"

Or, "Where's all this extra extra powerful force that Maharishi was supposed to 
become after he shed the body which was taking up so much of his mojo?  
Shouldn't he have reversed time by now?"  

Or, "If you play this video backwards, one can clearly hear "The Beatles did it 
in revenge against Sexy Sadie."

Need more?

Edg

Re: [FairfieldLife] 911 Towers had several explosions -- new video footage reveals.

[Bhairitu]

On 06/09/2011 06:19 AM, Duveyoung wrote:
> http://www.disinfo.com/2010/10/911-firefighters-reveal-huge-explosions-before-towers-collapsed/

Now Edg, you know on FFL you've got to connect that somehow to whether 
the world is going to end and FFL'ers didn't even make it to CC.  
Obviously looking at the hot topics here that's whats really important, 
not the biggest bank heist in the history of the world.  Or that this 
summer is going to be a riot. ;-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sarah Palin and Paul Revere

[Bhairitu]

You guys gotta keep up.  That was last weekends news.   Weiner's wiener 
is the big distraction now. :-D

On 06/09/2011 08:49 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> Even better, Sarah Palin's fans have gotten caught trying
> to edit the Wikipedia page on Paul Revere to make it agree
> with her twisted view of history.
>
> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9217359/Sarah_Palin_fans_try_to_rewrite_history_on_Wikipedia
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>> Yes sir just when you thought she couldn't get any dumber:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpHfY1Hor9g
>>
>> And then Stephen Colbert does a send up - beautiful (from Daily
>> Kos): howl-arious
>>
>> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/06/07/982824/-Sarah-Palin-Vindicated:Colbert-Re-enactment-Proves-It!?via=siderec
>> 
>>
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will / Sam Harris Once Again

[tartbrain]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 06/08/2011 07:53 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote:
> > Sam Harris has posted a second follow up to his post on his own blog about 
> > free will (the link to which tartbrain originally posted on this forum). In 
> > this post he takes a slightly different tack on the subject:
> >
> > You Do Not Choose What You Choose
> >
> > Many readers continue to find my position on free will bewildering. Most of 
> > the criticism I’ve received consists of some combination of the following 
> > claims:
> >
> > 1. Your account assumes that mental events are, at bottom, physical 
> > events. But if the mind is distinct from the brain (to any degree), this 
> > would allow for freedom of will.
> >
> > 2. You admit that mental eventsâ€"like choices, efforts, intentions, 
> > reasoning, etcâ€"cause certain of our actions. But such mental states 
> > presuppose free will for their very existence. Your position is 
> > self-contradictory: Either we are free to think and behave as we will, or 
> > there is no such thing as choice, effort, intention, reasoning, etc.
> >
> > 3. Even if my thoughts and actions are the product of unconscious 
> > causes, they are still my thoughts and actions. Anything that my brain does 
> > or chooses, whether consciously or not, is something that I have done or 
> > chosen. The fact that I cannot always be subjectively aware of the causes 
> > of my actions does not negate free will.
> >
> > All of these objections express confusion about my basic premise. The first 
> > is simply falseâ€"my argument against free will does not require 
> > philosophical materialism. There is no question that (most) mental events 
> > are the product of physical eventsâ€"but even if the human mind were part 
> > soul-stuff, nothing about my argument would change. The unconscious 
> > operations of a soul would grant you no more freedom than the unconscious 
> > physiology of your brain does.
> >
> > Continues:
> > http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/you-do-not-choose-what-you-choose/
> 
> Cosmic masturbation. Why waste your time?

Doesn't have the free will not to?

[FairfieldLife] Re: How The Bush Tax Cuts Blew Up The Deficit And Debt

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
>
> Yes, but you are forgetting that low marginal tax rates are what keeps the 
> entrepenurial fires lit and makes America the massive job creation engine 
> that it is. Low marginal tax rates are the "price" we pay for incredibly low 
> unemployment and rising wages an salaries at all levels of society. :)
> 


It's amazing that so many right wingers actually STILL buy into that baloney.







> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > June 7, 2011 marks the 10th anniversary of the first of
> > President George W. Bush's two tax cuts, which have played
> > a disproportionate role in blowing up the deficit and debt.
> > 
> > As the Center for American Progress' Michael Ettlinger and
> > Michael Linden found, the federal debt would be at a sustainable
> > level today — even with the wars and the financial crisis — were it
> > not for the Bush tax cuts.
> > 
> > This short animation shows how the Bush tax cuts drove the deficit
> > and debt up and are still ruining the budget picture today.
> > 
> > Watch 1 minute animation:: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDC8pmfmYc4
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Free Will / Sam Harris Once Again

[Bhairitu]

On 06/08/2011 07:53 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote:
> Sam Harris has posted a second follow up to his post on his own blog about 
> free will (the link to which tartbrain originally posted on this forum). In 
> this post he takes a slightly different tack on the subject:
>
> You Do Not Choose What You Choose
>
> Many readers continue to find my position on free will bewildering. Most of 
> the criticism I’ve received consists of some combination of the following 
> claims:
>
> 1. Your account assumes that mental events are, at bottom, physical 
> events. But if the mind is distinct from the brain (to any degree), this 
> would allow for freedom of will.
>
> 2. You admit that mental eventsâ€"like choices, efforts, intentions, 
> reasoning, etcâ€"cause certain of our actions. But such mental states 
> presuppose free will for their very existence. Your position is 
> self-contradictory: Either we are free to think and behave as we will, or 
> there is no such thing as choice, effort, intention, reasoning, etc.
>
> 3. Even if my thoughts and actions are the product of unconscious causes, 
> they are still my thoughts and actions. Anything that my brain does or 
> chooses, whether consciously or not, is something that I have done or chosen. 
> The fact that I cannot always be subjectively aware of the causes of my 
> actions does not negate free will.
>
> All of these objections express confusion about my basic premise. The first 
> is simply falseâ€"my argument against free will does not require 
> philosophical materialism. There is no question that (most) mental events are 
> the product of physical eventsâ€"but even if the human mind were part 
> soul-stuff, nothing about my argument would change. The unconscious 
> operations of a soul would grant you no more freedom than the unconscious 
> physiology of your brain does.
>
> Continues:
> http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/you-do-not-choose-what-you-choose/

Cosmic masturbation. Why waste your time?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Sarah Palin and Paul Revere

[turquoiseb]

Even better, Sarah Palin's fans have gotten caught trying
to edit the Wikipedia page on Paul Revere to make it agree
with her twisted view of history.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9217359/Sarah_Palin_fans_try_to_rewrite_history_on_Wikipedia


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> Yes sir just when you thought she couldn't get any dumber:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpHfY1Hor9g
> 
> And then Stephen Colbert does a send up - beautiful (from Daily 
> Kos): howl-arious
> 
> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/06/07/982824/-Sarah-Palin-Vindicated:Colbert-Re-enactment-Proves-It!?via=siderec
> 
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will / Sam Harris Once Again

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > As I have suggested about other believers in the 
> > lack of free will here (and that they have failed
> > to reply to), if they are so convinced that there 
> > is no free will, WHY are they working so hard to 
> > convince others (whom they insist have no free will)
> > to change their minds and embrace the "no free will"
> > position?
> > 
> > If Harris is correct, his thoughts on this matter
> > and his ability to decide for free will or against
> > it are not his own. The decision was made for him.
> > 
> > He at no point had the ability to "choose what he
> > chose."
> > 
> > If he is correct, all of the people he seems a bit
> > perturbed with for not understanding or agreeing
> > with his position *also* have no free will. Just 
> > like him, they also at no point had the ability 
> > to "choose what they chose."
> > 
> > So why is he continuing to argue, as if they (or
> > *anyone* reading what he writes) had the free will 
> > to choose to change their minds as a result of
> > reading it?
> > 
> > Something in this scenario doth not compute.
> 
> Really? (as in SNL "Really!!??") Are you suggesting that 
> its only one  of two discrete possibilities.   Either: 1) 
> one is totally independent of any outside or internal sub 
> conscious forces makes decisions or 2) some entity makes 
> the decisions and then tells him what to do? (I know 
> "mother is at home", but is she calling all the shots? 
> (Cut to old aspirin commercial "Mother! I would rather 
> do it myself!!"))
> 
> Do you consider your culture, family, education, training, 
> career, to have any effect in molding, shaping or filtering 
> your, or anyone's, thoughts as to what the "best thing" to 
> do in any moment is?
> 
> Are you, or anyone, conscious of every single normally (in 
> we mere mortals) subconscious process that shapes our 
> thoughts, impulses, motivations and desires?
> 
> If not, then I suggest we do not have full free will -- and 
> yet there is no "entity" that has made our decisions for us. 
> Is it not true that some posters have no free in that they 
> have not choice but to respond to your proddings?
> 
> The degree of freewill that we have appears to be the issue: 
> a) some, b) a little or c) none. Total Free will is not an 
> option, IMO. 

Cool. I have no desire to argue with you or to try to
convince you of anything. I merely commented on the
seeming disparity between the title of Harris' blog
post ("You Do Not Choose What You Choose") and his
behavior, which it seems to me consists of trying to 
convince readers to *choose* the position he's advo-
cating. Bzzzt. Does not compute.

This strikes me as similar to the behavior of a friend
of mine. She's a total "Let Thy will be done" God freak.
She categorically *refuses* to make any life decisions
for herself, claiming that "God will do it all." But *at
the same time*, while professing to believe what she is
saying, she spends 90% of her time bitching and moaning
and complaining about the circumstances of her life.

Bzzt. Does not compute. Seems to me that if she 
really believes what she claims to believe, then God
did *everything she is complaining about*, and that
she has no right to bitch. 

I was suggesting that I have a similar Bzzt reaction
when seeing Harris claim that there is no free will and
no ability to choose, and yet arguing for several posts
now with others, seemingly in an attempt to get them to
choose. Bt.

As for the rest of your rap, I have no interest in talk-
ing the existence or non-existence of free will. To me 
it's pure theory, and not relevant to my life. As I've
said before, my position is that I see no "up side" to
having or professing a belief that there is no free will.
And so far in all of these discussions, not a single
person has ever proposed such an "up side."

>From my pragmatic, everyday POV, I seem to have free will.
Therefore, I believe (pragmatically) that I do. To do so
makes my everyday behavior *consistent with* what I believe. 
But for those who profess to believe that there is no free
will, they have admitted that while they may believe that,
they *act* as if they did have it. Their behavior is NOT 
consistent with what they profess to believe. Cognitive 
dissonance.

I experience no such cognitive dissonance. My behavior 
(acting as if I have free will) is consistent with my
beliefs (that I have it). If it turns out that there 
is no free will, as I have also said many times, No
Harm, No Foul. I cannot be held karmically responsible
for anything I did or failed to do, because I never
had the ability to choose to do or not do it in the
first place. By behaving in a manner consistent with
my beliefs, I get off scot-free, whether it turns out
that those beliefs are "true" in some cosmic sense
or not. :-)

To me the question of whether free will exists or not
on some theoret

[FairfieldLife] Sarah Palin and Paul Revere

[Rick Archer]

Yes sir just when you thought she couldn't get any dumber:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpHfY1Hor9g

And then Stephen Colbert does a send up - beautiful  (from Daily Kos):
howl-arious

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/06/07/982824/-Sarah-Palin-Vindicated:Colb
ert-Re-enactment-Proves-It!?via=siderec
 

[FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq]

[tartbrain]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> >
> 
> > Yes, we want to see your papers, Herr Curtis! There are some reported 
> > hoodlums and lower rogue elements masquerading as self-realized beings. We 
> > have orders to shoot these frauds on sight.
> > 
> > Remember Herr Curtis, you can't simply bask in the joy of your own 
> > existence. You must be certified to do so. And enjoying life without proper 
> > papers and titles, impossible!
> 
> Ya vol mein herr!
> 
> The first rule of spiritual one upmanship is that MY self-realization is the 
> right one, and yours is the wrong one. 
> 
> The second is, if you dont't use the authorized names to describe it that I 
> do,then your self realization is relative and superficial, and mine is 
> absolute and deep.
> 
> The third rule is never talk about fight club.  Wait a second, that is 
> supposed to be the first rule, sorry! 
> 

Actually, self-realization is a  huge joke some himalayan yogis made up. 
Realization is that there is no self-of substance. Its just a faceted mind 
states overlain on pure existence. Those that make a huge deal of their mind 
states, with fancy labels, make the yogis roar with laughter. 

 
 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey Curtis, my responses below:
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > How do you know what someone in CC, GC, or UC perceives, or doesn't? 
> > > > 
> > > > Same way I know what anyone does, by what they express. 
> > > > 
> > > > > Seems like you, Curtis and Vaj enjoy wasting your time speculating 
> > > > > about self realization, without any attempt to accomplish it 
> > > > > yourselves. 
> > > > 
> > > > I am self realized.
> > > 
> > > Which state of consciousness please (CC, GC, UC)? 
> > 
> > Yes, we want to see your papers, Herr Curtis! There are some reported 
> > hoodlums and lower rogue elements masquerading as self-realized beings. We 
> > have orders to shoot these frauds on sight.
> > 
> > Remember Herr Curtis, you can't simply bask in the joy of your own 
> > existence. You must be certified to do so. And enjoying life without proper 
> > papers and titles, impossible!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >If you are indeed self realized, this should be a gimme for you.
> > > 
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: How The Bush Tax Cuts Blew Up The Deficit And Debt

[tartbrain]

Yes, but you are forgetting that low marginal tax rates are what keeps the 
entrepenurial fires lit and makes America the massive job creation engine that 
it is. Low marginal tax rates are the "price" we pay for incredibly low 
unemployment and rising wages an salaries at all levels of society. :)




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> June 7, 2011 marks the 10th anniversary of the first of
> President George W. Bush's two tax cuts, which have played
> a disproportionate role in blowing up the deficit and debt.
> 
> As the Center for American Progress' Michael Ettlinger and
> Michael Linden found, the federal debt would be at a sustainable
> level today — even with the wars and the financial crisis — were it
> not for the Bush tax cuts.
> 
> This short animation shows how the Bush tax cuts drove the deficit
> and debt up and are still ruining the budget picture today.
> 
> Watch 1 minute animation:: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDC8pmfmYc4
>

[FairfieldLife] How The Bush Tax Cuts Blew Up The Deficit And Debt

[do.rflex]

June 7, 2011 marks the 10th anniversary of the first of
President George W. Bush's two tax cuts, which have played
a disproportionate role in blowing up the deficit and debt.

As the Center for American Progress' Michael Ettlinger and
Michael Linden found, the federal debt would be at a sustainable
level today — even with the wars and the financial crisis — were it
not for the Bush tax cuts.

This short animation shows how the Bush tax cuts drove the deficit
and debt up and are still ruining the budget picture today.

Watch 1 minute animation:: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDC8pmfmYc4

[FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq]

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
>

> Yes, we want to see your papers, Herr Curtis! There are some reported 
> hoodlums and lower rogue elements masquerading as self-realized beings. We 
> have orders to shoot these frauds on sight.
> 
> Remember Herr Curtis, you can't simply bask in the joy of your own existence. 
> You must be certified to do so. And enjoying life without proper papers and 
> titles, impossible!

Ya vol mein herr!

The first rule of spiritual one upmanship is that MY self-realization is the 
right one, and yours is the wrong one. 

The second is, if you dont't use the authorized names to describe it that I 
do,then your self realization is relative and superficial, and mine is absolute 
and deep.

The third rule is never talk about fight club.  Wait a second, that is supposed 
to be the first rule, sorry! 







> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> >
> > Hey Curtis, my responses below:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > How do you know what someone in CC, GC, or UC perceives, or doesn't? 
> > > 
> > > Same way I know what anyone does, by what they express. 
> > > 
> > > > Seems like you, Curtis and Vaj enjoy wasting your time speculating 
> > > > about self realization, without any attempt to accomplish it 
> > > > yourselves. 
> > > 
> > > I am self realized.
> > 
> > Which state of consciousness please (CC, GC, UC)? 
> 
> Yes, we want to see your papers, Herr Curtis! There are some reported 
> hoodlums and lower rogue elements masquerading as self-realized beings. We 
> have orders to shoot these frauds on sight.
> 
> Remember Herr Curtis, you can't simply bask in the joy of your own existence. 
> You must be certified to do so. And enjoying life without proper papers and 
> titles, impossible!






> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >If you are indeed self realized, this should be a gimme for you.
> > 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dark Night of the Soul

[Buck]

>
> >
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Krishna then addressed him whose eyes were bedimmed with 
> > > > > > > > tears, and who was overcome with pity and discouragement."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > "In such a critical moment, whence comes upon thee, this 
> > > > > > > despondency, disgraceful, detrimental to the attainment of 
> > > > > > > heaven?"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > "Surrender not to unmanliness; it is unbecoming to thee.  Forsake 
> > > > > > this small weakheartedness! Arise!"
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > Parantapa declared to Govinda: "I will not fight!"; then remained 
> > > > > silent.
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > The ideas of heat and cold, pleasure and pain, are produced by the 
> > > > contacts of the senses with their objects.  Such ideas are limited by a 
> > > > beginning and an end.  The are transitory; bear them with patience.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > As in the body the embodied Self passes through childhood, youth, and old 
> > > age, so is its passage into another body; the wise thereat are not 
> > > disturbed. 
> > >
> > 
> > The Vedas are concerned with the three universal qualities.  Free thyself 
> > from the triple qualities and from the pairs of opposites!  Ever calm, 
> > harboring no thoughts of receiving and keeping, become thou settled in the 
> > Self.
> >
> 
> When thine intelligence penetrates beyond the darkness of delusion, then wilt 
> thou attain indifference regarding matters that have been heard and matters 
> yet to be heard.
>

When thine intelligence, bewildered by the variety of revealed truths, becomes 
securely anchored in the ecstasy of soul bliss, then wilt thou attain the final 
union. 
 

> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > A file has been sent to you via the  
> > > > > > > > >  YouSendIt File Delivery Service.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Download the file - 01 Dark Night of the Soul.mp3 
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Your file will expire after 7 days or 100 downloads.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Brilliant talk by Adyashanti.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dark Night of the Soul

[Buck]

>
> >
> > 
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Krishna then addressed him whose eyes were bedimmed with tears, 
> > > > > > > and who was overcome with pity and discouragement."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > "In such a critical moment, whence comes upon thee, this 
> > > > > > despondency, disgraceful, detrimental to the attainment of heaven?"
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > "Surrender not to unmanliness; it is unbecoming to thee.  Forsake 
> > > > > this small weakheartedness! Arise!"
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Parantapa declared to Govinda: "I will not fight!"; then remained 
> > > > silent.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > The ideas of heat and cold, pleasure and pain, are produced by the 
> > > contacts of the senses with their objects.  Such ideas are limited by a 
> > > beginning and an end.  The are transitory; bear them with patience.
> > >
> > 
> > As in the body the embodied Self passes through childhood, youth, and old 
> > age, so is its passage into another body; the wise thereat are not 
> > disturbed. 
> >
> 
> The Vedas are concerned with the three universal qualities.  Free thyself 
> from the triple qualities and from the pairs of opposites!  Ever calm, 
> harboring no thoughts of receiving and keeping, become thou settled in the 
> Self.
>

When thine intelligence penetrates beyond the darkness of delusion, then wilt 
thou attain indifference regarding matters that have been heard and matters yet 
to be heard.

   
> > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > A file has been sent to you via the   
> > > > > > > > YouSendIt File Delivery Service.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Download the file - 01 Dark Night of the Soul.mp3 
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Your file will expire after 7 days or 100 downloads.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Brilliant talk by Adyashanti.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dark Night of the Soul

[Buck]

>
> 
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Krishna then addressed him whose eyes were bedimmed with tears, 
> > > > > > and who was overcome with pity and discouragement."
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > "In such a critical moment, whence comes upon thee, this despondency, 
> > > > > disgraceful, detrimental to the attainment of heaven?"
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > "Surrender not to unmanliness; it is unbecoming to thee.  Forsake this 
> > > > small weakheartedness! Arise!"
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Parantapa declared to Govinda: "I will not fight!"; then remained silent.
> > >
> > 
> > The ideas of heat and cold, pleasure and pain, are produced by the contacts 
> > of the senses with their objects.  Such ideas are limited by a beginning 
> > and an end.  The are transitory; bear them with patience.
> >
> 
> As in the body the embodied Self passes through childhood, youth, and old 
> age, so is its passage into another body; the wise thereat are not disturbed. 
>

The Vedas are concerned with the three universal qualities.  Free thyself from 
the triple qualities and from the pairs of opposites!  Ever calm, harboring no 
thoughts of receiving and keeping, become thou settled in the Self.
  
> > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > A file has been sent to you via the   
> > > > > > > YouSendIt File Delivery Service.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Download the file - 01 Dark Night of the Soul.mp3 
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Your file will expire after 7 days or 100 downloads.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Brilliant talk by Adyashanti.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dark Night of the Soul

[Buck]

>
> >
> > >
> > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > > "Krishna then addressed him whose eyes were bedimmed with tears, and 
> > > > > who was overcome with pity and discouragement."
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > "In such a critical moment, whence comes upon thee, this despondency, 
> > > > disgraceful, detrimental to the attainment of heaven?"
> > > >
> > > 
> > > "Surrender not to unmanliness; it is unbecoming to thee.  Forsake this 
> > > small weakheartedness! Arise!"
> > >
> > 
> > Parantapa declared to Govinda: "I will not fight!"; then remained silent.
> >
> 
> The ideas of heat and cold, pleasure and pain, are produced by the contacts 
> of the senses with their objects.  Such ideas are limited by a beginning and 
> an end.  The are transitory; bear them with patience.
>

As in the body the embodied Self passes through childhood, youth, and old age, 
so is its passage into another body; the wise thereat are not disturbed. 
 
> > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > A file has been sent to you via the   
> > > > > > YouSendIt File Delivery Service.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Download the file - 01 Dark Night of the Soul.mp3 
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Your file will expire after 7 days or 100 downloads.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Brilliant talk by Adyashanti.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will / Sam Harris Once Again

[tartbrain]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Sam Harris has posted a second follow up to his post on his 
> > > own blog about free will (the link to which tartbrain originally 
> > > posted on this forum). In this post he takes a slightly different 
> > > tack on the subject:
> > > 
> > > You Do Not Choose What You Choose 
> > > 
> > > Many readers continue to find my position on free will 
> > > bewildering. 
> > 
> > 
> > As I have suggested about other believers in the 
> > lack of free will here (and that they have failed
> > to reply to), if they are so convinced that there 
> > is no free will, WHY are they working so hard to 
> > convince others (whom they insist have no free will)
> > to change their minds and embrace the "no free will"
> > position?
> > 
> > If Harris is correct, his thoughts on this matter
> > and his ability to decide for free will or against
> > it are not his own. The decision was made for him.
> 
> Really? (as in SNL "Really!!??") Are you suggesting that its only one  of two 
> discrete possibilities.   Either: 1) one is totally independent of any 
> outside or internal sub conscious forces makes decisions or 2) some entity 
> makes the decisions and then tells him what to do? (I know "mother is at 
> home", but is she calling all the shots? 

I wonder if we are meaning the same thing by the term "free will". I would 
venture that if, generally speaking, someone could only conceive of the above 
two discrete options, then they have very little actual free will  -- though 
perhaps scads of imaginary free will. If there are 100 options and one is only 
aware of, or can only conceive of, two of them, he has very little free will 
IMO. EVEN if he can freely choose among the two options. He is so bound up in 
his limited world, he has no idea how much free will he doesn't have. I don't 
think that you are necessarily looking at a micro set of all possible options  
(though we all are to a degree). We don't know what we don't know. 

For example, say a guy has boiled it down to three things: eating , sleeping 
and f*ing. And he has total free will to chose what he wants to do in this and 
each moment: eat, sleep or F. I don't think this guy has much free will at all 
but he is going to think that he has total free will. He doesn't know what he 
doesn't know. We all don't know what we don't know.

And then, even if we are fully aware of all options (an impossible or terribly 
rare state, IMO) do we really chose among them in a totally free, unbiased, 
untrained, culture-free way? I think not (but that is probably just my 
cultural, educational, and life experience bias speaking). 

Let me ask some questions that may clarify some of the points I have been 
attempting to make. 

*Does someone who has worked full time, full heart into it, for TMO for 20 
years, an has no just left, do they have total free will to see things as they 
are?  (Not if FFL is representative, IMO).

*Someone who has large unfulfilled ego needs and thus bashes everyone insight 
to make them feel better about themselves. Does this person have much free will?

*Someone sees a post and just HAS to respond. Do they have much free-will?

*Two high school chums go in different directions. One goes to Harvard, the 
other goes lives in a small cabin high in the Rockies and  explores and 
rejoices in nature each and every minute. After 4-5 years, does each enjoy the 
same free will? I would suggest that any free will they do experience (or feel 
that they do) will be of quite a different type, two barely intersecting sets 
of free-will. Each has taken a path that has opened up lots of options and also 
has closed off a lot of options. Each has quite different sets of (perceived) 
free will (if any or much at all in reality).

*A sports fan during playoffs. Do they have much free will NOT to 
watch them?

*Eva Greene walks into a bar, alone, an sits next to you at the bar. do you 
have ANY free-will at that moment?  Do you really have the free will to get up 
and walk away.










>(Cut to old aspirin commercial "Mother! I would rather do it myself!!"))
> 
> Do you consider your culture, family, education, training, career, to have 
> any effect in molding, shaping or filtering your, or anyone's,  thoughts as 
> to what the "best thing" to do in any moment is?
> 
> Are you, or anyone, conscious of every single normally (in we mere mortals) 
> subconscious process that shapes our thoughts, impulses, motivations and 
> desires?
> 
> If not, then I suggest we do not have full free will -- and yet there is no 
> "entity" that has made our decisions for us. Is it not true that some posters 
> have no free in that they have not choice but to respond to your proddings?
> 
> The degree of freewill that we have appears to be the issue: a) some, b) a 
> li

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dark Night of the Soul

[Buck]

>
> >
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > "Krishna then addressed him whose eyes were bedimmed with tears, and 
> > > > who was overcome with pity and discouragement."
> > > >
> > > 
> > > "In such a critical moment, whence comes upon thee, this despondency, 
> > > disgraceful, detrimental to the attainment of heaven?"
> > >
> > 
> > "Surrender not to unmanliness; it is unbecoming to thee.  Forsake this 
> > small weakheartedness! Arise!"
> >
> 
> Parantapa declared to Govinda: "I will not fight!"; then remained silent.
>

The ideas of heat and cold, pleasure and pain, are produced by the contacts of 
the senses with their objects.  Such ideas are limited by a beginning and an 
end.  The are transitory; bear them with patience.

> > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > A file has been sent to you via the   
> > > > > YouSendIt File Delivery Service.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Download the file - 01 Dark Night of the Soul.mp3 
> > > > >  
> > > > > 
> > > > > Your file will expire after 7 days or 100 downloads.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Brilliant talk by Adyashanti.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq]

[whynotnow7]

Thanks - There is some excellent follow on info to what I am referring to in 
the talk Rick sent out by Adyashanti, where Adyashanti speaks specifically in 
the beginning of his talk about the process of challenging the will or ego 
through spiritual practice. He mentions those who were not all that serious 
about their quest, either changing teachers numerous times or giving up 
altogether on spiritual growth, preferring material and even spiritual 
distractions. I listened to the whole thing - quite good.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> fabulous post Whynot, i wasn't following this thread neither but happened to 
> read this of yours. Reads a lot like Krishna on that battlefield with that 
> spiritually depressed Arjuna guy.  Same advice that rings true while tightly 
> said.  Thanks for taking the moment to write it and again point the way. -Buck
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> >
> > How do you know what someone in CC, GC, or UC perceives, or doesn't? 
> > Seems like you, Curtis and Vaj enjoy wasting your time speculating about 
> > self realization, without any attempt to accomplish it yourselves. 
> > 
> > You come across like flat earthers, afraid to complete the journey which 
> > will radically alter your perspectives forever, content to stay where you 
> > are, limited view and all. 
> > 
> > As a result, of course you are complaining and whining all the time. Of 
> > course you mostly discuss your failures wrt self realization here. Of 
> > course you project your lack of progress and cynicism on the departed 
> > Maharishi and others here. I don't think there is a greater hell a moral 
> > person could put themselves through than to attempt self realization and 
> > then try to give up on it. 
> > 
> > Once the possibility for self realization is discovered it becomes a need 
> > second only to food, sleep and shelter. If denied, it causes a lot of 
> > misery, which an ignorant person sees all around them, instead of tracing 
> > it back to its source. "The world is as you are".
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > Although I'm not terribly interested in this discussion,
> > > I'm interested in how Lawson deals with your simple 
> > > question below, "How would you know?" Seems to me he's
> > > just stating ideas in pronouncements, the same way they
> > > were stated to him, without any more rational filtering 
> > > or analysis being performed on the output of those ideas
> > > to you than was performed on the input of them to him. :-)
> > > 
> > > Same thing with Robert, in his recent post that I took
> > > issue with. Parroting pronouncements, not only as if they
> > > constituted some sort of Truth, but as if the parroting 
> > > of them should cause the other party to STFU. Same with
> > > posts claiming that someone could "know" things fersure,
> > > based solely on one's own subjective experience. I don't
> > > buy that whether the person claiming to "know" claims to
> > > be unenlightened or enlightened; it's still the same
> > > subjective experience and opinion as far as I can tell, 
> > > claiming to be something other than subjective experience 
> > > and opinion. I really get the feeling that "speaking in
> > > pronouncements" like this is an attempt to get others to
> > > STFU and just accept the stuff being parroted to them as
> > > some kind of thought-stopper "Truth," just as the parrots 
> > > accepted it when it was parroted to them.
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "PaliGap"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "PaliGap"  wrote:
> > > > > [...]
> > > > > > I think I would say "yes & yes". Between asterix (asterixes?),
> > > > > > true that. But I think those words are not expressing properly
> > > > > > his position as (fairly consistently) expressed elsewhere. MMY
> > > > > > was not a reductionist/materialist as would seem to be implied
> > > > > > by "consciousness is the product of brain functioning".
> > > > > 
> > > > > human consciousness is the product of the human brain's functioning.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Sheesh. Is it really this hard to grasp? 
> > > > 
> > > > For me, yes.
> > > > 
> > > > > He's talking about humans and their spiritual experiences as humans.
> > > > > 
> > > > > An angel's consciousness is the result of the [whatever the 
> > > > > equivalent of an angel's brain]'s functioning. You can't have a 
> > > > > localized (whether it is in time or space or both) observer without 
> > > > > some kind of associated structure (nervous system).
> > > > 
> > > > If that's true (how would you know?), it does not follow 
> > > > that the system is the product of the structure. 
> > > > 
> > > > If X is a necessary condition for Y, it does not follow (from
> > > > just that) that Y is a product of X (or, as materialists might
> > > > say, "Y is nothin

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dark Night of the Soul

[Buck]

>
> 
> > 
> > >
> > > "Krishna then addressed him whose eyes were bedimmed with tears, and who 
> > > was overcome with pity and discouragement."
> > >
> > 
> > "In such a critical moment, whence comes upon thee, this despondency, 
> > disgraceful, detrimental to the attainment of heaven?"
> >
> 
> "Surrender not to unmanliness; it is unbecoming to thee.  Forsake this small 
> weakheartedness! Arise!"
>

Parantapa declared to Govinda: "I will not fight!"; then remained silent.
   
> 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > A file has been sent to you via the   
> > > > YouSendIt File Delivery Service.
> > > > 
> > > > Download the file - 01 Dark Night of the Soul.mp3 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > Your file will expire after 7 days or 100 downloads.
> > > > 
> > > > Brilliant talk by Adyashanti.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dark Night of the Soul

[Buck]

> 
> >
> > "Krishna then addressed him whose eyes were bedimmed with tears, and who 
> > was overcome with pity and discouragement."
> >
> 
> "In such a critical moment, whence comes upon thee, this despondency, 
> disgraceful, detrimental to the attainment of heaven?"
>

"Surrender not to unmanliness; it is unbecoming to thee.  Forsake this small 
weakheartedness! Arise!"
  

> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > A file has been sent to you via the   YouSendIt 
> > > File Delivery Service.
> > > 
> > > Download the file - 01 Dark Night of the Soul.mp3 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Your file will expire after 7 days or 100 downloads.
> > > 
> > > Brilliant talk by Adyashanti.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will / Sam Harris Once Again

[tartbrain]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Sam Harris has posted a second follow up to his post on his 
> > own blog about free will (the link to which tartbrain originally 
> > posted on this forum). In this post he takes a slightly different 
> > tack on the subject:
> > 
> > You Do Not Choose What You Choose 
> > 
> > Many readers continue to find my position on free will 
> > bewildering. 
> 
> 
> As I have suggested about other believers in the 
> lack of free will here (and that they have failed
> to reply to), if they are so convinced that there 
> is no free will, WHY are they working so hard to 
> convince others (whom they insist have no free will)
> to change their minds and embrace the "no free will"
> position?
> 
> If Harris is correct, his thoughts on this matter
> and his ability to decide for free will or against
> it are not his own. The decision was made for him.

Really? (as in SNL "Really!!??") Are you suggesting that its only one  of two 
discrete possibilities.   Either: 1) one is totally independent of any outside 
or internal sub conscious forces makes decisions or 2) some entity makes the 
decisions and then tells him what to do? (I know "mother is at home", but is 
she calling all the shots? (Cut to old aspirin commercial "Mother! I would 
rather do it myself!!"))

Do you consider your culture, family, education, training, career, to have any 
effect in molding, shaping or filtering your, or anyone's,  thoughts as to what 
the "best thing" to do in any moment is?

Are you, or anyone, conscious of every single normally (in we mere mortals) 
subconscious process that shapes our thoughts, impulses, motivations and 
desires?

If not, then I suggest we do not have full free will -- and yet there is no 
"entity" that has made our decisions for us. Is it not true that some posters 
have no free in that they have not choice but to respond to your proddings?

The degree of freewill that we have appears to be the issue: a) some, b) a 
little or c) none. Total Free will is not an option, IMO. 

Given that the intellect is generally the inner "deciding" mechanism (perhaps 
along with "gut" or intuition) are what we normally perceive to be the agents 
of free will.  But how free is the intellect? It has been uber trained, 
conditioned, programmed and pavloved to act in specific, complex ways (of and 
for which we are no longer fully conscious of the inner processes). Personally, 
I don't see huge amounts of ACTUAL free will -- though I concede its very easy 
to see a lot of imaginary free will i our decisions and actions.

Perhaps you have transcended all outer and inner conditioning, training, 
programming, influences, culture, etc and make each decision   
 in totally fresh and independent ways, free of any axioms or postulates as to 
how the world works, looking at each new problems and its solution outside the 
context of any history or other events. I have not achieved that state -- and 
frankly, not sure I care for it.

I do agree with your attachment theme. With less attachment, and the ability to 
go with what is happening in each moment, not tied to needed, desired, or "out 
to be" outcomes, one is "freer". However, even that is not real Free Will, IMO. 
(Did I get that right mother/god/dictating entity? I seem to be hard of hearing 
this morning as you dictate my every word and impulse.) :)
 





> He at no point had the ability to "choose what he
> chose."
> 
> If he is correct, all of the people he seems a bit
> perturbed with for not understanding or agreeing
> with his position *also* have no free will. Just 
> like him, they also at no point had the ability 
> to "choose what they chose."
> 
> So why is he continuing to argue, as if they (or
> *anyone* reading what he writes) had the free will 
> to choose to change their minds as a result of
> reading it?
> 
> Something in this scenario doth not compute.
> 
> 
> > Most of the criticism I’ve received consists of some 
> > combination of the following claims:
> > 
> >1. Your account assumes that mental events are, at bottom, 
> > physical events. But if the mind is distinct from the brain 
> > (to any degree), this would allow for freedom of will.
> > 
> >2. You admit that mental eventsâ€"like choices, efforts, 
> > intentions, reasoning, etcâ€"cause certain of our actions. 
> > But such mental states presuppose free will for their very 
> > existence. Your position is self-contradictory: Either we 
> > are free to think and behave as we will, or there is no such 
> > thing as choice, effort, intention, reasoning, etc.
> > 
> >3. Even if my thoughts and actions are the product of 
> > unconscious causes, they are still my thoughts and actions. 
> > Anything that my brain does or chooses, whether consciously 
> > or not, is something that I have done or chosen. The fact 
> > that I cannot always be subjectively

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dark Night of the Soul

[Buck]

>
> "Krishna then addressed him whose eyes were bedimmed with tears, and who was 
> overcome with pity and discouragement."
>

"In such a critical moment, whence comes upon thee, this despondency, 
disgraceful, detrimental to the attainment of heaven?"
 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > A file has been sent to you via the   YouSendIt 
> > File Delivery Service.
> > 
> > Download the file - 01 Dark Night of the Soul.mp3 
> >  
> > 
> > Your file will expire after 7 days or 100 downloads.
> > 
> > Brilliant talk by Adyashanti.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] 911 Towers had several explosions -- new video footage reveals.

[Duveyoung]

http://www.disinfo.com/2010/10/911-firefighters-reveal-huge-explosions-before-towers-collapsed/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dark Night of the Soul

[Buck]

"Krishna then addressed him whose eyes were bedimmed with tears, and who was 
overcome with pity and discouragement."

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> 
> A file has been sent to you via the   YouSendIt 
> File Delivery Service.
> 
> Download the file - 01 Dark Night of the Soul.mp3 
>  
> 
> Your file will expire after 7 days or 100 downloads.
> 
> Brilliant talk by Adyashanti.
>

[FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq]

[Buck]

>
> fabulous post Whynot, i wasn't following this thread neither but happened to 
> read this of yours. Reads a lot like Krishna on that battlefield with that 
> spiritually depressed Arjuna guy.  Same advice that rings true while tightly 
> said.  Thanks for taking the moment to write it and again point the way. -Buck
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> >
> > How do you know what someone in CC, GC, or UC perceives, or doesn't? 
> > Seems like you, Curtis and Vaj enjoy wasting your time speculating about 
> > self realization, without any attempt to accomplish it yourselves. 
> > 
> > You come across like flat earthers, afraid to complete the journey which 
> > will radically alter your perspectives forever, content to stay where you 
> > are, limited view and all. 
> > 
> > As a result, of course you are complaining and whining all the time. Of 
> > course you mostly discuss your failures wrt self realization here. Of 
> > course you project your lack of progress and cynicism on the departed 
> > Maharishi and others here. I don't think there is a greater hell a moral 
> > person could put themselves through than to attempt self realization and 
> > then try to give up on it. 
> >

Yup, is pitiable.  "Some assembly needed, batteries not included, just add 
discipline".

 
> > Once the possibility for self realization is discovered it becomes a need 
> > second only to food, sleep and shelter. If denied, it causes a lot of 
> > misery, which an ignorant person sees all around them, instead of tracing 
> > it back to its source. "The world is as you are".
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > Although I'm not terribly interested in this discussion,
> > > I'm interested in how Lawson deals with your simple 
> > > question below, "How would you know?" Seems to me he's
> > > just stating ideas in pronouncements, the same way they
> > > were stated to him, without any more rational filtering 
> > > or analysis being performed on the output of those ideas
> > > to you than was performed on the input of them to him. :-)
> > > 
> > > Same thing with Robert, in his recent post that I took
> > > issue with. Parroting pronouncements, not only as if they
> > > constituted some sort of Truth, but as if the parroting 
> > > of them should cause the other party to STFU. Same with
> > > posts claiming that someone could "know" things fersure,
> > > based solely on one's own subjective experience. I don't
> > > buy that whether the person claiming to "know" claims to
> > > be unenlightened or enlightened; it's still the same
> > > subjective experience and opinion as far as I can tell, 
> > > claiming to be something other than subjective experience 
> > > and opinion. I really get the feeling that "speaking in
> > > pronouncements" like this is an attempt to get others to
> > > STFU and just accept the stuff being parroted to them as
> > > some kind of thought-stopper "Truth," just as the parrots 
> > > accepted it when it was parroted to them.
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "PaliGap"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "PaliGap"  wrote:
> > > > > [...]
> > > > > > I think I would say "yes & yes". Between asterix (asterixes?),
> > > > > > true that. But I think those words are not expressing properly
> > > > > > his position as (fairly consistently) expressed elsewhere. MMY
> > > > > > was not a reductionist/materialist as would seem to be implied
> > > > > > by "consciousness is the product of brain functioning".
> > > > > 
> > > > > human consciousness is the product of the human brain's functioning.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Sheesh. Is it really this hard to grasp? 
> > > > 
> > > > For me, yes.
> > > > 
> > > > > He's talking about humans and their spiritual experiences as humans.
> > > > > 
> > > > > An angel's consciousness is the result of the [whatever the 
> > > > > equivalent of an angel's brain]'s functioning. You can't have a 
> > > > > localized (whether it is in time or space or both) observer without 
> > > > > some kind of associated structure (nervous system).
> > > > 
> > > > If that's true (how would you know?), it does not follow 
> > > > that the system is the product of the structure. 
> > > > 
> > > > If X is a necessary condition for Y, it does not follow (from
> > > > just that) that Y is a product of X (or, as materialists might
> > > > say, "Y is nothing but X"). For example, some structure in the
> > > > form of buildings is necessary for a university, but of course
> > > > the statement "the university IS a product of the buildings, or
> > > > can be reduced to the set of buildings that comprise it" is
> > > > false.
> > > > 
> > > > I am thinking MMY is a "for every university there exists
> > > > some associated physical structure" kind of guy. But he's 
> > > > not an "and that's ALL the university IS" kind of 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and intestinal serotonin!

[Buck]

It's true, it would seem some of the people even here suffering from such 
negative thoughts from so far down in their guts should proly feel a whole lot 
better if they could just come back to regular meditation.  -Buck in FF 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
>
> 
> 3. New Research Shows Higher Levels of Serotonin
> 
> A new study has found that those who practice the Transcendental Meditation®
> technique have higher levels of intestinal serotonin production and that
> this correlates with reduced anxiety, depression, aggression, and
> impulsiveness.
> 
> Faculty member Ken Walton recently presented the research at the 69th annual
> meeting of the American Psychosomatic Society held in San Antonio, Texas.
> The theme of the conference was "Biobehavioral Processes and Health:
> Understanding Mechanisms, Implementing Interventions."
> 
> Dr. Walton presented his finding that excretion of the serotonin metabolite
> 5-HIAA correlates inversely with scores on tests of anxiety, depression,
> aggression and impulsiveness.
> 
> According to Dr. Walton, serotonin is a neurohormone produced in the brain,
> in cells lining the intestine, and in other parts of the body. Dr. Walton's
> interpretation of his finding is that the body's activity of serotonin is
> diminished in individuals who are experiencing negative mood states.
> 
> "This finding is in line with research of others suggesting that serotonin
> in the brain is involved in producing states of well being and positive
> mood," Dr. Walton said. "What's most unusual about this is that the measure
> I used -- urinary 5-HIAA excretion -- is thought to reflect primarily
> activity of serotonin cells in the intestine. The implication is that
> serotonin activity in the intestine may parallel that of the brain in
> relation to mood states and well being."
> 
> The correlations were observed both in people who had practiced the
> Transcendental Meditation technique long term and in those who had never
> learned the technique.
> 
> However, the Transcendental Meditation practitioners were significantly
> higher in 5-HIAA and significantly lower in their scores on these negative
> mood scales, consistent with their expected lower stress level and higher
> state of well being.
> 
> "These findings may have important implications for understanding the
> effects of the Transcendental Meditation technique on mental states and well
> being as well as for understanding the potential role of serotonin in other
> parts of the body besides the brain," Dr. Walton said.
>

[FairfieldLife] TM and intestinal serotonin!

[cardemaister]

3. New Research Shows Higher Levels of Serotonin

A new study has found that those who practice the Transcendental Meditation®
technique have higher levels of intestinal serotonin production and that
this correlates with reduced anxiety, depression, aggression, and
impulsiveness.

Faculty member Ken Walton recently presented the research at the 69th annual
meeting of the American Psychosomatic Society held in San Antonio, Texas.
The theme of the conference was "Biobehavioral Processes and Health:
Understanding Mechanisms, Implementing Interventions."

Dr. Walton presented his finding that excretion of the serotonin metabolite
5-HIAA correlates inversely with scores on tests of anxiety, depression,
aggression and impulsiveness.

According to Dr. Walton, serotonin is a neurohormone produced in the brain,
in cells lining the intestine, and in other parts of the body. Dr. Walton's
interpretation of his finding is that the body's activity of serotonin is
diminished in individuals who are experiencing negative mood states.

"This finding is in line with research of others suggesting that serotonin
in the brain is involved in producing states of well being and positive
mood," Dr. Walton said. "What's most unusual about this is that the measure
I used -- urinary 5-HIAA excretion -- is thought to reflect primarily
activity of serotonin cells in the intestine. The implication is that
serotonin activity in the intestine may parallel that of the brain in
relation to mood states and well being."

The correlations were observed both in people who had practiced the
Transcendental Meditation technique long term and in those who had never
learned the technique.

However, the Transcendental Meditation practitioners were significantly
higher in 5-HIAA and significantly lower in their scores on these negative
mood scales, consistent with their expected lower stress level and higher
state of well being.

"These findings may have important implications for understanding the
effects of the Transcendental Meditation technique on mental states and well
being as well as for understanding the potential role of serotonin in other
parts of the body besides the brain," Dr. Walton said.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Does lack of self control = too much self?

[Ravi Yogi]

Keep 'em honest Barry. You are only enlightened if you don't react to Barry's 
lies, deception, taunts, abuse and bullying. Hey wait a second, that's 
tartbrain  So that's it, it's all settled, tartbrain is the self-realized 
soul that Barry et al have been looking for. Bow to the tart Barry.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Sometimes, just for the fun of it, I try to relate my
> early training in the martial arts to the enlightenment
> process. It's easier than it sounds.
> 
> For example, what one longs for in a martial arts situ-
> ation is an opponent who has no self control. Such a 
> person can be provoked into becoming angry, and thus
> losing their balance. In the martial arts, he who has
> lost his balance has lost the match.
> 
> In the world of spiritual practice, one of the main
> descriptors of the "more evolved" state (or enlight-
> ened or self realized state) is a lack of attachment 
> to self, or to one's image of self. In my experience, 
> a little poking and prodding at the self image of
> those who claim to be "more evolved" revealeth much.
> 
> If they profess to be "more evolved than thou," or even
> "enlightened" or "self realized," I have found that a
> little poking and prodding can very quickly ascertain
> how true those claims are. For example, with some folks
> who I suspect of really living up to their claims of
> being "more evolved," I have found that *no amount of
> poking and prodding* can get them to lose their cool,
> and overreact. With others...uh...not so much.
> 
> My contention is that when one of these Not So Much
> types is *easily* poked and prodded into losing it and
> lashing out in a stream of insults and ad hominem, 
> they are *demonstrating* that they're not nearly as
> "enlightened" as they claim to be. What, after all,
> feels the need to vehemently "defend" challenges to
> one's self and self image *but* a self?
> 
> I have witnessed (in person and on other forums) more 
> balanced spiritual types react to poking and prodding
> without ever reacting (let alone overreacting) to it.
> It's a veritable reenactment of the famous "Is that so?"
> story. My assessment of these claimants to the state of 
> enlightenment or self realization who cannot be provoked
> into a loss of self control is that there is some possi-
> bility that their claims are true, and they indeed may
> have very little self.
> 
> On the other hand, my experience on this forum is that 
> *almost all* of the people who have claimed to be 
> enlightened or self realized were also the people *most* 
> easily provoked into losing their self control and lashing 
> out when their self image was challenged. This leads me 
> to believe that their claims of "no self" are...uh...
> exaggerated, if not delusional.
> 
> YMMV.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will / Sam Harris Once Again

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> Sam Harris has posted a second follow up to his post on his 
> own blog about free will (the link to which tartbrain originally 
> posted on this forum). In this post he takes a slightly different 
> tack on the subject:
> 
> You Do Not Choose What You Choose 
> 
> Many readers continue to find my position on free will 
> bewildering. 


As I have suggested about other believers in the 
lack of free will here (and that they have failed
to reply to), if they are so convinced that there 
is no free will, WHY are they working so hard to 
convince others (whom they insist have no free will)
to change their minds and embrace the "no free will"
position?

If Harris is correct, his thoughts on this matter
and his ability to decide for free will or against
it are not his own. The decision was made for him.
He at no point had the ability to "choose what he
chose."

If he is correct, all of the people he seems a bit
perturbed with for not understanding or agreeing
with his position *also* have no free will. Just 
like him, they also at no point had the ability 
to "choose what they chose."

So why is he continuing to argue, as if they (or
*anyone* reading what he writes) had the free will 
to choose to change their minds as a result of
reading it?

Something in this scenario doth not compute.


> Most of the criticism I’ve received consists of some 
> combination of the following claims:
> 
>1. Your account assumes that mental events are, at bottom, 
> physical events. But if the mind is distinct from the brain 
> (to any degree), this would allow for freedom of will.
> 
>2. You admit that mental eventsâ€"like choices, efforts, 
> intentions, reasoning, etcâ€"cause certain of our actions. 
> But such mental states presuppose free will for their very 
> existence. Your position is self-contradictory: Either we 
> are free to think and behave as we will, or there is no such 
> thing as choice, effort, intention, reasoning, etc.
> 
>3. Even if my thoughts and actions are the product of 
> unconscious causes, they are still my thoughts and actions. 
> Anything that my brain does or chooses, whether consciously 
> or not, is something that I have done or chosen. The fact 
> that I cannot always be subjectively aware of the causes of 
> my actions does not negate free will.
> 
> All of these objections express confusion about my basic 
> premise. The first is simply falseâ€"my argument against 
> free will does not require philosophical materialism. There 
> is no question that (most) mental events are the product of 
> physical eventsâ€"but even if the human mind were part soul-
> stuff, nothing about my argument would change. The unconscious 
> operations of a soul would grant you no more freedom than the 
> unconscious physiology of your brain does.
> 
> Continues:
> http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/you-do-not-choose-what-you-choose/

[FairfieldLife] Does lack of self control = too much self?

[turquoiseb]

Sometimes, just for the fun of it, I try to relate my
early training in the martial arts to the enlightenment
process. It's easier than it sounds.

For example, what one longs for in a martial arts situ-
ation is an opponent who has no self control. Such a 
person can be provoked into becoming angry, and thus
losing their balance. In the martial arts, he who has
lost his balance has lost the match.

In the world of spiritual practice, one of the main
descriptors of the "more evolved" state (or enlight-
ened or self realized state) is a lack of attachment 
to self, or to one's image of self. In my experience, 
a little poking and prodding at the self image of
those who claim to be "more evolved" revealeth much.

If they profess to be "more evolved than thou," or even
"enlightened" or "self realized," I have found that a
little poking and prodding can very quickly ascertain
how true those claims are. For example, with some folks
who I suspect of really living up to their claims of
being "more evolved," I have found that *no amount of
poking and prodding* can get them to lose their cool,
and overreact. With others...uh...not so much.

My contention is that when one of these Not So Much
types is *easily* poked and prodded into losing it and
lashing out in a stream of insults and ad hominem, 
they are *demonstrating* that they're not nearly as
"enlightened" as they claim to be. What, after all,
feels the need to vehemently "defend" challenges to
one's self and self image *but* a self?

I have witnessed (in person and on other forums) more 
balanced spiritual types react to poking and prodding
without ever reacting (let alone overreacting) to it.
It's a veritable reenactment of the famous "Is that so?"
story. My assessment of these claimants to the state of 
enlightenment or self realization who cannot be provoked
into a loss of self control is that there is some possi-
bility that their claims are true, and they indeed may
have very little self.

On the other hand, my experience on this forum is that 
*almost all* of the people who have claimed to be 
enlightened or self realized were also the people *most* 
easily provoked into losing their self control and lashing 
out when their self image was challenged. This leads me 
to believe that their claims of "no self" are...uh...
exaggerated, if not delusional.

YMMV.

[FairfieldLife] TBT: attachment is as attachment does (was Re: Maharishi ignored curtis)

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > 
> > Now, and for the rest of his life he will denounce the 
> > only Master he ever physically met.
> 
> Denounce?  What are you in Glee or something Nabbie? Lay 
> off the drama pills, they don't suit you.

Au contraire, Pierre. Nabby's outraged drama queen
antics provide one of the most enduring and enter-
taining soap operas on this forum.  :-)

For some of us, who find the eternally-repeating
discussions of the Same Old Shit here boring, the
drama queen antics provide us with some laughs,
and the occasional opportunity to practice the 
ancient martial art of TBT (True Believer Taunting). 

Caveat: I know that you don't do this as much as
you used to, Curtis, preferring a kinder, gentler,
"Let's see if there is any there there in some of
these people to find a resonance with" approach,
and I respect that. It's just that I'm WAY past
that point with some of the TBs here, and have lost
any hope that there will *ever* be any there there
to interact with. So I occasionally have fun with 
them in other ways. 

For example, yesterday I was replying to a post of
yours and got to a sloppily-written, ill-conceived
sentence by one such TB. In that sentence, the TB
hinted at "having been in the audience" when MMY
made certain statements. I knew that this had never
happened, and in fact despite her act as "authori-
tative about things Maharishi" on this forum she
had never been in the same room with him, and was
arguably the *least* authoritative person on the 
forum, and was outrageously sensitive about having
this fact pointed out. It is possible that she is, 
in fact, the person who has seen the *fewest* tapes 
of MMY of anyone on this forum, yet she consistently 
presents herself as the most knowledgeable about 
"What MMY taught." This is a key facet of the self
image she tries to project here. So I decided to have 
a little fun with the badly-written sentence, and see 
if I could get her to "post out" with only one sentence, 
the first I had directed to her all week.

It worked like a charm. I wrote one short sentence
taking (as Curtis said) the least charitable view
of what she had written possible. I figured that
since she had already spent almost half of her 
posts this week trying to "get" someone who was
ignoring her completely (moi), she deserved a little 
"poking at." And she reacted *exactly* as I thought
she would. Now she's gone for the rest of the week,
while I still have 20 posts to play with. Do less,
accomplish more. :-)

The thing is, I have explained what I do with this
TBT strategy many times, trying to clue in the folks
I do it to as to what's being done to them, and They
Just Don't Get It. My theory is that if one feels
that someone on an Internet forum personifies the
*worst* traits of a spiritual tradition while con-
sistently positioning themselves as a "defender of
the faith" for that spiritual tradition, you don't
try to *say* what you think about their lower traits;
you just push their buttons and then sit back and
wait for them to overreact, and thus demonstrate them.

It is my contention that one of the worst traits one
finds in spirituality is Religious Fanatic Syndrome,
in which the TB can be easily taunted into revealing
how thin-skinned and predictable they are. With the
TB in question, her laughable attempts to portray 
herself as Ms. I Never Lie over the years are the
tip-off as to what most pushes her buttons. She is
SO attached to her carefully-crafted image that she
flies into an ill-concealed rage every time that 
image is challenged. So I challenged it, and then
sat back and waited for her to go ballistic and 
"post out" in one day. She did not disappoint. :-)

But we see the same thin-skinned "I can be provoked
into lashing out by the simplest shit" even in those
who claim on this forum to be "enlightened" or "self
realized." Push their buttons, and *they* oblige by
demonstrating how attached they are to *their* self
image as well. Jimbo couldn't resist yesterday,
either, and jumped into the fray wearing his "I'm
so enlightened and free from attachment I'm going
to demonstrate it by spending several posts reacting
angrily and trying to insult those who have poked
fun at the teachers and ideas I'm attached to" T-shirt.

I'm writing this just to see whether either of them,
or Nabby, who is arguably not as smart as either ( and
that's really saying something when dealing with the
Turgid Turnip :-) can recognize that they were Owned
yesterday by someone who had simply figured out their
attachments, and taken advantage of them.

My bet is no. Their egos (which, after all, are what
a button-pusher takes advantage of when practicing
TBT) cannot allow them to admit that they were Owned.
But they were. One of them went so ballistic that she
has to sit out the rest of the week on the I Couldn't
Control Myself bench. The other may join her there 
soo

[FairfieldLife] 77 Warriors struck by Lightning in Mississippi'...

[Robert]

 
Indra


(YouTube.com)
(CBS News) 
Seventy-seven Air Force cadets are being sent to a local hospital after a 
lightning strike at the Camp Shelby Joint Forces Training Center near 
Hattiesburg, Miss. While there did not appear to be serious injuries, two of 
the cadets were taken by amdulance to the hospital, while the other 75 rode in 
busses.
The Army said in a press release that the soldiers were being taken in for 
"medical evaluation" following the strike around 2 p.m. Four personnel were in 
close vicinity to the strike but were still "responsive and in stable 
condition," the release said.

Forrest County emergency operations director Terry Steed told a National 
Weather Service forecaster that nobody was directly hit when lightning hit a 
power pole near tents. All were taken to hospitals as a precaution, said Mike 
Edmonston, a senior meteorologist in Jackson.

The cadets went to Forrest General Hospital, CBS affiliate WLBT reports.

Air Force Reserve cadets from around the country were at the Joint Forces 
Training Center for two weeks of work, said Army National Guard Maj. Deidre 
Musgrave.

Camp Shelby near Hattiesburg is the nation's largest state-owned military 
training center. Its 136,000 acres cut out of southern Mississippi's rolling 
hills and pine forests includes mock cities designed to look like Iraq and 
Afghanistan to give soldiers realistic training.

Soldiers and airmen from around the country train there each year and tens of 
thousands of National Guard troops from across the country have prepared there 
for missions in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Read more: 
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/06/08/national/main20070184.shtml#ixzz1OlBaDF5i