[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[maskedzebra]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra  wrote:
> >
> > Because in reading Catholic philosophers—like Aquinas—I find
> > myself intuiting the cosmos as they experienced it—I sort of
> > read this off of their writing.
> 
> MZ, I have a question for you.
> 
> Xeno called attention to the fact that Aquinas late in life
> had some kind of experience that "silenced" him and led him
> to declare, "All that I have written seems like straw to me."
> 
> I'm wondering what you think happened to him. (If you've
> already commented on this, forgive me; I did a quick search
> but couldn't find anything.)
> 
> And I have a hypothetical: Let's say you cut your spiritual
> teeth on the writings of Aquinas and thorughly internalized
> his views. You never encountered MMY, knew nothing about him
> or TM or the Eastern idea of enlightenment.
> 
> One day in 1976, out of the blue, with no warning, you had
> the same experience you had on the mountain with MMY that
> you now refer to as "slipping into Unity Consciousness,"
> except that you had no preparation whatsoever and no context
> (and let's say it didn't last very long, a few hours or days).
> 
> How would that have affected your take on Aquinas's writings?
> How long would it have taken you to decide that the experience
> wasn't "real" but Aquinas was?


Dear Authfriend,

I consider this a great question, and I will do my best to answer it.

Had I started to experience exactly what happened to me on that mountain just 
above Arosa, Switzerland in September 1976—having only known (about) reality 
through the writing of Thomas Aquinas—now realize, I am going to be totally 
honest here—I WOULD HAVE IMMEDIATELY SENSED SOMETHING MYSTICALLY FOREIGN AND 
EVEN ANTITHETICAL TO THE TRUTH I LEARNED FROM AQUINAS.

Now you understand, authfriend, in this hypothetical situation, I did not, 
before this moment, have any EXPERIENCE of reality—beyond my ordinary waking 
state experience. That is, I am not, for purposes of answering your question in 
the way that I believe draws out the meaning and import that is behind the 
posing of this hypothetical situation, assuming ANY contact with reality in any 
mystical or supernatural sense. I have had, as it were, up until this decisive 
moment in my life, no religious experiences whatsoever—a very different 
antecedent circumstance than what was the case when I historically (actually) 
went through this enlightenment experience ('slipping into Unity').

You see, authfriend, the experience that began to take me over on that mountain 
was the dissolving of my individuality and the classic pantheistic vision of 
seeing the natural world charged with not, in Hopkins's words, the "grandeur" 
of God, BUT WITH GOD HIMSELF (or Itself).

So, then, having made myself completely familiar with the writings of Aquinas, 
in which the universe is the creation of God, and my own person also a creation 
of God, and that GOD IS WHOLLY SEPARATE FROM AND OTHER THAN HIS CREATION, to 
begin to behold that God WAS his creation—and that this same God WAS my 
innermost self—I would have (if the impression and conviction formed in me by 
Aquinas's writings was dominant) resisted the experience, and therefore if I 
had had the power to reject and withdraw myself from what was overtaking 
(Maharishi word there) me, this is what I would have done. That is, refuse to 
allow myself to surrender to God in this Hindu-pantheistic form, and realize 
that, somehow, fallen angels were deceiving me into experiencing reality in 
such a way which was contrary to THE WAY IT ACTUALLY IS.

(You see, Aquinas had told me that God is only immediately present to the human 
being in terms of having originally GIVEN EXISTENCE to him or her, and then 
KEEPING him or her IN EXISTENCE. God could never BECOME something he created. 
And conversely, a human being could never BECOME  what had created him or her.)

Now, I don't know if, given what actually happened to me on that mountain in 
September of 1976, I actually COULD HAVE stopped what was happening me (had I 
been certain that the Catholic description of reality was true, and the pagan 
description false)—I rather doubt it, since my overwhelming sensation of 
"slipping into Unity" was that it was ineluctable and inexorable. But—remember 
in this imagined circumstance I have had no prior EXPERIENCES that would have 
confirmed the Thomistic/Catholic vision of God and creation—had I been devout 
and obedient (as an adherent of Aquinas—that is, had a perfect faith in the 
reliability and veracity of his theology) I would have fought against the 
relentless and conquering power of the enlightenment experience—even if, in the 
end, I found myself succumbing physiologically, mechanically—and yes, 
metaphysically—to its authority and power over me.

But the main point is that the nature of going into Unity Consciousness WOULD 
have been recognized by me (as a follower of 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Voices of the Universe

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> >
> > Put on your headphones and pump up the volume.
> > 
> > Walter Ruttmann's famous experimental silent film from 1927, Berlin: 
> > Symphony of a Great City. Music by Urmas Sisask: "Voices of the Universe."
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G_eVwiS_rQo
> >
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urmas_Sisask
>

GF (and a TM dropout) of a friend of mine was a fan of another Estonian 
composer, Arvo Part (Pärt). I've never intentionally listened to him before:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtFPdBUl7XQ

BTW, shortly after my siddhis course, she rang to me saying
that during her meditation everything suddenly went all light!
She was very excited. Can't remember what I said to her. 

Have never experienced anything like that during meditation.
Reminds me of YS's (III 44) 'prakaashaavaraNakSayaH' (light-covering-
destruction). Taimni: (From it = vRtti called mahaa-videhaa [great
bodylessness(is that a word?)]) [is] destroyed the covering of light.

Well, a paraphrase of 'prakaasha-aavaraNa-kSayaH' is of course II 52:

tataH kSiiyate prakaashaavaraNam.

That suutra follows II 51:

baahyaabhyantaraviSayaakSepii caturthaH.

Taimni: That praaNaayaama which goes beyond the sphere of internal
and external is the fourth (variety).

That (her experiencing the light during meditation) kinda "proves" TM 
"produces" the fourth praaNaayaama?
(Bhojadeva: stambha-ruupo gativicchedaH [scil. praaNasya]).

[FairfieldLife] Re: Voices of the Universe

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> Put on your headphones and pump up the volume.
> 
> Walter Ruttmann's famous experimental silent film from 1927, Berlin: Symphony 
> of a Great City. Music by Urmas Sisask: "Voices of the Universe."
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G_eVwiS_rQo
>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urmas_Sisask

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Aquinas, reconsidered

[Bob Price]

From: authfriend 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 9:24:15 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Aquinas, reconsidered

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
> 
> From: authfriend 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 7:34:23 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Aquinas, reconsidered
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
> >
> > > Not to ruin anyones fun or pretend I can do justice to such
> > > an excellent question, I'm wondering if we can establish a
> > > few ground rules before my boy starts doing any heavy
> > > lifting? I mean, we do have high expectations for this 
> > > "out of towner" but as mentioned previously its important
> > > MZ paces himself. 
> > > 
> > > Please feel free to join in anyone.
> > > 
> > > Rule 1
> > > 
> > > Can we agree that an answer to an excellent hypothetical
> > > question, no matter how excellent in itself, can never be
> > > more than hypothetical?
> >
> > Rule 2
> >
> > Discussions concerning the MZ world tour (hypothetical or
> > otherwise) being arranged by PriceLess Management Inc. will
> > take place offline.
>
> Rule 3
> Ignore Rule 2 and offer a novena that Rick isn't replaced
> with someone with no sense of humour.

The first few iterations were funny, honey, but the
concept had a limited shelf life. With humor, as with
most everything else in life, there's such a thing as
reaching the point of diminishing returns.

Also, just a general thought to ponder: Sometimes a
good sense of humor is defined by what a person
*doesn't* find funny. (Sort of a koan, actually.)
Do you mean it when you call me honey, I hope so. 
When you get to me my age you'll know what I mean. 
These days the girls just seem to look right through me.
And thank you for the koan. 
In all those years with Paul Reps in Kyoto and all that "What is Mu" music I've 
never had such clarity. 
Like a light. In the distance. I hear a train coming. 
As long as MZ has had time to collect his thoughts, I'm happy. 
Are you happy, like I said, I hope so. 
   

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Flood Wall Fails

[authfriend]

Maddow's faux-ironic delivery has become so affected she's
unwatchable.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> The flood wall at Fort Calhoun Nuclear Power Plant has failed,
> but don't worry, everything is fine.

It wasn't a "flood wall," it was a big rubber tube filled
with water, an extra line of defense outside the main flood
barriers. It didn't "fail"--that's sensationalist language.
"Fail" is what happens when the power of the water is so
great it breaches a levee or other barrier. In this case, a
worker accidentally punctured the rubber tube. They'll have
another one up next week.

> Rachel Maddow called attention to a problem that's been
> brewing at the Fort Calhoun nuclear power plant in Nebraska,
> on the shores of the Missouri River.

It isn't a "problem that's been brewing." It's a situation
that had been anticipated for months, time for many measures
to be taken to ensure it didn't *become* a problem.

> The power plant is currently flooding, due to heavy
> rainfall this season, and errors by plant workers that have
> broken down the facility's defenses against floods.

One error, the one described above; and what was "broken
down" was an extra line of defense outside the main
flood barriers. As noted, they'll have a new one up next
week.
 
> She called nuclear power "the world's most terrifying and
> consequential means of boiling water," and though that
> sounds fairly simple, exposed a number of flaws within the
> Nebraska plant.

She didn't "expose" a thing. Everything she reported has
already been covered in detail. And the "flaws" in question
have been remedied.

> "For now, everything is fine, if occasionally wet at Fort
> Calhoun, we are told," Maddow said, but noted that the rainy
> summer could raise the Missouri River the two additional
> feet it would take to flood the reactor cores.

But it's not expected to rise that high; and you can't
"flood the reactor cores" anyway; they're completely
enclosed.

I think Raw Story is to blame for much of this misleading
sensationalist language, but Maddow also tried her best to
make the situation seem much more dire than it actually is,
including by showing lots of footage of the destruction at
Fukushima, as if they were comparable.

That's not to say the situation couldn't *become* dire if
lots of things go wrong. But at this point it's well under
control.



> 
> Raw Replay, Rachel Maddow:
> 
> http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/06/rachel-maddow-explains-scary-n\
> uclear-power-plant-flood-in-nebraska/
> 
> 
>  
> [http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Fh8djQZba50/TgNPbNeyqJI/DM8/GcbpU13iK\
> q0/s1600/fort+calhoun+hi+res+june+14th+2011+photo+AP+Nati+Harnik.jpg]
> 
> Photo of Fort Calhoun Nuclear Power Plant before flood wall failed
> 
> Video of Fort Calhoun Nuclear Power Plant after flood wall failed
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8JqACkhKM4
> 
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[Ravi Yogi]

Dear MZ, my responses below.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra  wrote:
>
> Dear Ravi,
>
> Well, I think I will let someone else (good friend that he is) speak
on behalf of myself—and who knows? maybe you too. Here's what this
very nice fellow said—it's been a while, mind you, since he said it,
but I think he still believes the same thing—No, in fact I am sure
he does. You there, Ravi? Here goes:
>
> "Not merely learning about divine things but also experiencing
them—that does not come from mere intellectual acquaintance. . . but
from loving the things of God and cleaving to them by affection.
Fellow-feeling comes from fondness rather than from cognizance, for
things understood are in the mind in the mind's own fashion, whereas
desire goes out to things as they are in themselves; love would
transform us into the very condition of their being. Thus by the settled
bent of his affections. . . the lover of divine matters divinely catches
their gist."
>
> Isn't this Ravi Yogi all over?
>
Yes.
> But (this close friend of mine) also said (not incompatible with
previous statement):
>
> "Truth is a divine thing, a friend more excellent than any human
friend."
>
> To the consternation and chagrin of a few readers on this blog I
happen to believe wholeheartedly in both these—let me call them
this—PERCEPTIONS.
>
Wow - that has come as a shocker.
> The last—Hi, Ravi—idea of my friend (It is not exactly an
original notion I'd say—but it's the succinctness of the way of it
getting said that sticks with me) is, even in a purely psychological
sense, germane to our present situation:
>
> "Everything is provided for in the scheme of the universal cause;
nothing can evade it."
>
Perfect !!!
> (Although speaking on behalf of myself, as a victim of your
eviscerations of my beliefs and autobiographical confessions, I would
have to end with a final quote—same person:
> "Nothing appears more to impugn divine providence in human affairs
than the affliction of the innocent.")
>
Good quote - I have addressed the "affliction of the innocent" part
below.
> But let's get serious, Ravi.
>
> We both seem more or less unyielding in our own original ways of
seeing things, Ravi [my erstwhile Unity Consciousness, your ongoing
Self-Realization]. I am happy to leave it at that. This friend, whom I
have quoted here, he did teach me (directly and indirectly) more than
MMY did—although nothing in my experience can touch the brilliance,
the power, and the joy of those eighteen years when I thought Maharishi
Mahesh Yogi (and his Teaching—and the context he created inside
creation for me to exist and thrive) the functional equivalent of God.
>
> Since (in my opinion) Maharishi (and his metaphysical context) went as
far as anything could go towards the experience and reality of Heaven
itself (inside of oneself I suppose), the fact that in the end he proved
to be a charlatan—and oh so subtly corrupt through and
through—must mean that he (and his Teaching) was mocking something
that WAS real and true (or so I must infer, given the person that I am).
>
> Therefore, Ravi, there is a truth ("more excellent than any
friend"—or, I would add, any lover) that we will enter into when we
go through the experience of death.
True and I appreciate that as well.
> My reason for posting on this blog, believe it or not, is to prepare
myself for just this very non-contingent reality. It's coming up for me,
in other words, whether I like it or not.
>
Good luck with that !!
> I excepte your Beloved in this; I realize he/she never even got born.
That, I have to admit, is a considerable advantage over myself. He/she
ain't no afraid of dying either.
>
Beloved is just a metaphor, it doesn't really stand for a thing or a
person in particular, I'm not sure if its even personal or impersonal or
if its inside or outside of me.
> In any case, I have to conclude that opposition from the Ravi Yogi,
why, it's just part of the happy ordeal of getting ready for what I will
encounter (and never be fully ready for) when my soul
is—forcibly—separated from my body.
>
That's good to know.
> When that famous saint [something I have quoted previous posts] said:
"Everything is grace", what she meant was that everything that is
happening in the universe—including the decisions made by our own
very private free wills—and all the suffering and violence and
injustice—can be apprehended, if one is given supernaturally this
perspective, to be not happening outside of the intention of a Personal
Intelligence.
>
> Alas, I have not been afforded this sainted viewpoint.
>
Tough luck.
> But anyhow, Ravi, even this quarrel between us, when I am rendered
dumbfounded by your chameleon, protean, quicksilver shifts of mood and
thought, is—necessarily—part of this grace.
>
> And so, I should be content. And, I think, after this latest exchange
(at least when it comes to the happy, merry, infuriating flourishes of
one Ravi Yogi), I am.
That's good to know.
>
> Can we leave it at that, Ravi?
Yes.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Aquinas, reconsidered

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
> 
> From: authfriend 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 7:34:23 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Aquinas, reconsidered
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
> >
> > > Not to ruin anyones fun or pretend I can do justice to such
> > > an excellent question, I'm wondering if we can establish a
> > > few ground rules before my boy starts doing any heavy
> > > lifting? I mean, we do have high expectations for this 
> > > "out of towner" but as mentioned previously its important
> > > MZ paces himself. 
> > > 
> > > Please feel free to join in anyone.
> > > 
> > > Rule 1
> > > 
> > > Can we agree that an answer to an excellent hypothetical
> > > question, no matter how excellent in itself, can never be
> > > more than hypothetical?
> >
> > Rule 2
> >
> > Discussions concerning the MZ world tour (hypothetical or
> > otherwise) being arranged by PriceLess Management Inc. will
> > take place offline.
>
> Rule 3
> Ignore Rule 2 and offer a novena that Rick isn't replaced
> with someone with no sense of humour.

The first few iterations were funny, honey, but the
concept had a limited shelf life. With humor, as with
most everything else in life, there's such a thing as
reaching the point of diminishing returns.

Also, just a general thought to ponder: Sometimes a
good sense of humor is defined by what a person
*doesn't* find funny. (Sort of a koan, actually.)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Aquinas, reconsidered

[jr_esq]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "at_man_and_brahman" 
 wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra  wrote:
> > >
> > > Because in reading Catholic philosophers—like Aquinas—I find
> > > myself intuiting the cosmos as they experienced it—I sort of
> > > read this off of their writing.
> > 
> > MZ, I have a question for you.
> > 
> > Xeno called attention to the fact that Aquinas late in life
> > had some kind of experience that "silenced" him and led him
> > to declare, "All that I have written seems like straw to me."
> > 
> > I'm wondering what you think happened to him. (If you've
> > already commented on this, forgive me; I did a quick search
> > but couldn't find anything.)
> > 
> > And I have a hypothetical: Let's say you cut your spiritual
> > teeth on the writings of Aquinas and thorughly internalized
> > his views. You never encountered MMY, knew nothing about him
> > or TM or the Eastern idea of enlightenment.
> > 
> > One day in 1976, out of the blue, with no warning, you had
> > the same experience you had on the mountain with MMY that
> > you now refer to as "slipping into Unity Consciousness,"
> > except that you had no preparation whatsoever and no context
> > (and let's say it didn't last very long, a few hours or days).
> > 
> > How would that have affected your take on Aquinas's writings?
> > How long would it have taken you to decide that the experience
> > wasn't "real" but Aquinas was?
> 
> Excellent question, Judy. My Catholic girlfriend posed exactly the same 
> question over the weekend when I was trying to explain the whole RC thing and 
> his detailed reply to my question. I'm not expert on Aquinas, but his 
> epiphany what have been similar to that of Malcolm X at Mecca, when he had 
> his own vision of a unity of sorts.
> >
>
It appears that Aquinas experienced a higher form of samadhi which is a result 
of his meditations both in silence and in his writings.  IMO, his experience 
was a culmination of all his intellectual work and meditations.  In vedic 
terms, he was practicing gyani yoga, which emphasizes the intellect and inquiry 
in the human mind.

[FairfieldLife] A Female Maharishi?

[John]

Marlese Karlin appears to be saying the same thing as MMY.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFaU0X5U_b4&feature=related

[FairfieldLife] Voices of the Universe

[raunchydog]

Put on your headphones and pump up the volume.

Walter Ruttmann's famous experimental silent film from 1927, Berlin: Symphony 
of a Great City. Music by Urmas Sisask: "Voices of the Universe."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G_eVwiS_rQo

[FairfieldLife] Re: So who is Jay Lathom? Is that a pseudonym?

[seventhray1]

Dan, just FYI,  today is Tuesday, June 28th, 2011.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002"
 wrote:
>
>
> Ricks sense of balance is questionable, but he defends it
unquestioningly. Maybe questioning is a good thing.
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote:
> >
> > Judy gave a URL to an old message (
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/71883 ), quoting
an
> > excerpt of a book by this Jay Lathom fellow. This Jay's new to me. I
> > stopped reading about spiritual/enlightenment matters after reading
> > *Autobiography
> > of a Yogi* and *Be Here Now*. IME, reading about enlightenment and
> > spiritual matters is about as satisfying compared to experiencing as
> > watching porn is compared to engaging in the real thing. I /think/
the
> > implication was that JL was describing RC's encounter with Maharishi
and
> > Maharishi's "validation" of RC's ?enlightenment?. Am I correct in
the
> > assumption? Is Jay Lathom another pseudonym for FFL's latest
noodnick,
> > Masked Zebra?
> >
> > With respect to Masked Zebra/RC. I notice that though RC posted out,
he's
> > still posting. Shows to go you how Rick never just set this group in
> > motion, hands off, and never, ever provides his slant on things.
Rick
> > receives I'm sure, dozens of emails a day yet only certain ones he
posts to
> > the group and then only in the spirit of fairness and balance. Yeah.
> > Nabby, there are some things I have to agree with you about.
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Aquinas, reconsidered

[Bob Price]

From: authfriend 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 7:34:23 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Aquinas, reconsidered

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
>
> Not to ruin anyones fun or pretend I can do justice to such
> an excellent question, I'm wondering if we can establish a
> few ground rules before my boy starts doing any heavy
> lifting? I mean, we do have high expectations for this 
> "out of towner" but as mentioned previously its important
> MZ paces himself. 
> 
> Please feel free to join in anyone.
> 
> Rule 1
> 
> Can we agree that an answer to an excellent hypothetical
> question, no matter how excellent in itself, can never be
> more than hypothetical?

Rule 2

Discussions concerning the MZ world tour (hypothetical or
otherwise) being arranged by PriceLess Management Inc. will
take place offline.
Rule 3
Ignore Rule 2 and offer a novena that Rick isn't replaced with someone with no 
sense of humour.
Moniker's a keeper though.

 

[FairfieldLife] Flood Wall Fails

[raunchydog]

The flood wall at Fort Calhoun Nuclear Power Plant has failed, but don't
worry, everything is fine.

Rachel Maddow called attention to a problem that's been brewing at
the Fort Calhoun nuclear power plant in Nebraska, on the shores of the
Missouri River. The power plant is currently flooding, due to heavy
rainfall this season, and errors by plant workers that have broken down
the facility's defenses against floods.

She called nuclear power "the world's most terrifying and
consequential means of boiling water," and though that sounds fairly
simple, exposed a number of flaws within the Nebraska plant.

"For now, everything is fine, if occasionally wet at Fort Calhoun,
we are told," Maddow said, but noted that the rainy summer could
raise the Missouri River the two additional feet it would take to flood
the reactor cores.

Raw Replay, Rachel Maddow:

http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/06/rachel-maddow-explains-scary-n\
uclear-power-plant-flood-in-nebraska/


 
[http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Fh8djQZba50/TgNPbNeyqJI/DM8/GcbpU13iK\
q0/s1600/fort+calhoun+hi+res+june+14th+2011+photo+AP+Nati+Harnik.jpg]

Photo of Fort Calhoun Nuclear Power Plant before flood wall failed

Video of Fort Calhoun Nuclear Power Plant after flood wall failed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8JqACkhKM4

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[RoryGoff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002"  
wrote:
>
> 
> Are these tricks commonplace on FFL? Just need to know what I'm getting in to.
> 
> Alternatively, are these accusations commonplace on FFL. Just need to know 
> what I'm getting in to.
> 
> A Reader beware posting might help clarify.

Yes, these tricks are very commonplace. An easy rule of thumb or "Cliff Notes" 
to sort out the Dramatis Personae might be, "Whatever and whoever I encounter 
on FFL* -- that too is essentially Only Me, as it arises out of and is made of 
nothing but a perturbation of My own awareness..." 

*or anywhere else, for that matter

(And for Curtis, Turq et al., that's *pertur-*, though verily many a  *Master* 
has also baited or been baited by his- or her own reflection,  before 
remembering that it is all, after all, only the Self playing with itSelf.)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Aquinas, reconsidered

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
>
> Not to ruin anyones fun or pretend I can do justice to such
> an excellent question, I'm wondering if we can establish a
> few ground rules before my boy starts doing any heavy
> lifting? I mean, we do have high expectations for this 
> "out of towner" but as mentioned previously its important
> MZ paces himself. 
> 
> Please feel free to join in anyone.
> 
> Rule 1
> 
> Can we agree that an answer to an excellent hypothetical
> question, no matter how excellent in itself, can never be
> more than hypothetical?

Rule 2

Discussions concerning the MZ world tour (hypothetical or
otherwise) being arranged by PriceLess Management Inc. will
take place offline.

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "richardjwilliamstexas"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> > > Thanks for the irony-tuning.
> > >
> azgrey:
> > ...the uniquely historically valuable website 
> > devoted to Ms. Stein maintained by the esteemed 
> > journalist Andrew A. Skolnick... 
> > 
> > http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/
> >
> You can pretty much tell when an informant is in
> a conversation that is way over their heads when 
> they resort to linking to assholenick's Judy 
> site!
> 
> Hey, assgrey - you'd be a lot better at being a Judy 
> critic if you'd bother to read the posts of Andrew 
> Skolnick on Usenet *in context*.
> 
> IF you were not such a prejudiced weasel. 
> 
> But, in fact, Judy thinks that Andrew putting up a 
> web site with quotes is a compliment, because it 
> proves that Andrew could not win a fair debate, so 
> it was his last resort to try and win an argument. 
> 
> LoL!
> 
> Andrew Skolnick:
> http://tinyurl.com/3uquuoz
>

Hey, *I* never got my own website, though I did get an honorable mention...

L.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall  wrote:
> Saint Amma, OTOH, requires lots of logistics to handle the multitude,
> change money in the temple, run the store, help out at initiations,
cook and
> serve food, herd the multitude, get people in position then out of
position
> as quickly as possible for their hug and Ma, Ma. Gotta shine her
silver
> crown and all that stuff. Heck, a visit from Amma makes a visit from
the
> Pope look tame and uneventful.
>
Accidental Tom.  You're focused on the accidental.  Find the essential
behind the accidental and you will know peace my son.  (-:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Children of the Night

[sparaig]

The research was yanked from online publication at the very last minute (12 
minutes to be exact) because new data was submitted that no-one had had time to 
evaluate. If the data turns out to be neutral or reinforce the findings, then 
the researchers merely have egg on their face for untimeliness. If, OTOH, the 
research weakens the conclusions of the study, the researchers have rotten egg 
on their faces.

L.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "richardjwilliamstexas"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Vaj:
> > I feel sorry for the children and the soldiers 
> > and the cardiac patients they fool...
> >
> This deception must be vast, judging by the news
> story in today's Telegraph! But, I'm beginning to
> think that the research cited by Vaj is the faked
> research, NOT the TM research mentioned in many 
> peer-reviewed scientific journals. Go figure. 
> 
> In the news:
> 
> Transcendental meditation, the relaxation technique 
> made famous by the Beatles, can cut heart attack and 
> stroke death rates by up to 50%, new research has 
> found. 
> 
> "The practice, which involves the continual repeating 
> of a mantra, was found to reduce high blood pressure, 
> cholesterol and thickening of the arteries. It is 
> also protects against diabetes..." 
> 
> Full story:
> 
> 'Meditation can cut heart attacks by as much as half'
> By Richard Alleyne
> The Telegraph, June 28, 2011
> http://tinyurl.com/5uqqu39
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
Well one thing we know for sure is that I can't write nearly as
> well as those other two manifestations, or at least punctuate.

Yea, but you are willing to write in a font size about two sizes smaller
than any one else, and that should count for something.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint -Lose Your BadgeNO SIGN EVER inDOMES

[curtisdeltablues]

I'm with Sal on this one Dan.  This request is not reasonable.

And as far as Rick not coming through with facts, he backed Judith's account 
for years, was way ahead of the curve, and then the book came out. So I think 
we can drop the tired "innuendo" routine now.

What Rick is "prone" to is having an open mind. He has created a place where 
atheist's can interact with the formerly enlightened as well as the currently 
"whatever".  Not too shabby IMO.  

Although we have come down in different places concerning spirituality, I have 
respect for the integrity of the process that lead him to his own different 
conclusions.  

And if he smells smoke, I'm betting on fire soon to come.






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
>
> On Jun 28, 2011, at 8:19 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote:
> 
> > Your request for a picture of a sign is a good one. But then we'd be 
> > dealing with facts. Rick's prone to innuendo, not facts.
> 
> Um, Dan...Rick hasn't been in the Doom in years.
> And, like most other people without badges,
> has no way of getting in.  And do you really
> think with all the paranoia in the TMO they'd
> let someone take pictures?  You ask for
> evidence that I'm pretty sure you know nobody
> can supply.  Therefore, for you the situation 
> doesn't exist.  If that works for you, great.
> 
> Sal
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge

[RoryGoff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey  wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you for the great rap on Blues history Curtis.
> > > It is interesting, informative, and entertaining. I find 
> > > it interesting that it was drawn out by the much pilloried
> > > maskedzebra. Anytime you want to lay a blues history rap
> > > out there, I for one, will relish reading it.
> > > 
> > > One of my favorites, Howlin' Wolf, probably falls outside of 
> > > your acoustic blues historiography. I recently heard the 
> > > plaintive wailing of a few bars of "Smokestack Lightnin'"
> > > emanating from my television. I looked up to see it had been 
> > > appropriated for a Viagra commercial. I briefly felt like
> > > I had died a little inside.  
> > 
> > Different...uh...strokes for different folks. I kinda
> > spring a woodie when I hear Smokestack Lightnin', so
> > the commercial works for me physiologically. :-)
> 
> 
> I'm sure Rory has filed away that factoid Turq.

Um... yeah. I know I filed it away somewhere. 

I think it was under D for "Don't Ask Don't Tell."

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[Ravi Yogi]

Looks like it Bob :-), anyway thanks to Alex for the explanation.
Dan - anyone can start playing tricks and making wild accusations here -
that's the nature of this list which provides for anonymous posting.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
>
> If my post to Ravi is thought of as anything more than a joke I need
more
> writing practise.
>
>
>
> 
> From: danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@...
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 6:13:59 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe
William of Occam
>
>
>
> Are these tricks commonplace on FFL? Just need to know what I'm
getting in to.
>
> Alternatively, are these accusations commonplace on FFL. Just need to
know what
> I'm getting in to.
>
> A Reader beware posting might help clarify.
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote:
> >
> > Ravi,
> >
> > I apologize in advance for this and please correct me if I'm wrong,
I hate to
> >be
> >
> > thought of as a fink. But I was just looking at the Post Count and I
would
> >swear
> >
> > you are listed twice. I don't think this is the same as MZ, Turq and
myself
> > being the same poster.
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 2:12:03 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe
William of
> >Occam
> >
> >
> > Thanks Bob for humorous musings, welcome and apologies. Trust me no
offense
> > taken, what you say makes sense since I sat on your message for a
while and
> > didn't even feel like responding anything. Surely I'm the first one
to deserve
>
> > these cheapshots since I constantly indulge in it as well though I'm
pretty
> > shameless.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
> > >
> > > Ravi,
> > >
> > > I was wondering when you would get around to me. Actually I was
hoping you
> > > missed it because I've been feeling a bit ashamed of myself. The
Golden Rule
> >is
> >
> > >
> > > about all I have left and I completely blew it with what can only
be viewed
> >as
> >
> > >a
> > >
> > >  cheap shot. Sorry for that, sincerely, and thank you for not
forgetting me.
> >Oh
> >
> > >
> > > and I almost forgot. Thank you for figuring out my real name.
Bobby, as in up
> >
> > > and down. I'm guessing that you've probably considered the
possibility that
> >MZ
> > > and I could be the same poster. Although if we head down that road
possibly
> >MZ
> > > is an invention of Turq, which he may have done out of shear
boredom. Isn't
> > > there a vedic creation myth that says thats what all the creation
is? The big
> >
> > > guy got bored? Well one thing we know for sure is that I can't
write nearly
> >as
> >
> >
> > > well as those other two manifestations, or at least punctuate.
Anyway I love
>
> > >you
> > >
> > > man and I'm glad you're here both on the post and in this crazy
old creation
> >of
> >
> > >
> > > MZ's. Om Shanti bro.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[Bob Price]

If my post to Ravi is thought of as anything more than a joke I need more 
writing practise. 




From: danfriedman2002 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 6:13:59 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

  

Are these tricks commonplace on FFL? Just need to know what I'm getting in to.

Alternatively, are these accusations commonplace on FFL. Just need to know what 
I'm getting in to.

A Reader beware posting might help clarify.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
>
> Ravi,
> 
> I apologize in advance for this and please correct me if I'm wrong, I hate to 
>be 
>
> thought of as a fink. But I was just looking at the Post Count and I would 
>swear 
>
> you are listed twice. I don't think this is the same as MZ, Turq and myself 
> being the same poster. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Ravi Yogi 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 2:12:03 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of 
>Occam
> 
> 
> Thanks Bob for humorous musings, welcome and apologies. Trust me no offense 
> taken, what you say makes sense since I sat on your message for a while and 
> didn't even feel like responding anything. Surely I'm the first one to 
> deserve 

> these cheapshots since I constantly indulge in it as well though I'm pretty 
> shameless.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
> >
> > Ravi,
> > 
> > I was wondering when you would get around to me. Actually I was hoping you 
> > missed it because I've been feeling a bit ashamed of myself. The Golden 
> > Rule 
>is 
>
> >
> > about all I have left and I completely blew it with what can only be viewed 
>as 
>
> >a 
> >
> >  cheap shot. Sorry for that, sincerely, and thank you for not forgetting 
> > me. 
>Oh 
>
> >
> > and I almost forgot. Thank you for figuring out my real name. Bobby, as in 
> > up 
>
> > and down. I'm guessing that you've probably considered the possibility that 
>MZ
> > and I could be the same poster. Although if we head down that road possibly 
>MZ
> > is an invention of Turq, which he may have done out of shear boredom. Isn't 
> > there a vedic creation myth that says thats what all the creation is? The 
> > big 
>
> > guy got bored? Well one thing we know for sure is that I can't write nearly 
>as 
>
> 
> > well as those other two manifestations, or at least punctuate. Anyway I 
> > love 

> >you 
> >
> > man and I'm glad you're here both on the post and in this crazy old 
> > creation 
>of 
>
> >
> > MZ's. Om Shanti bro.
> > 
> > 
> >
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
>
> Ravi,
> 
> I apologize in advance for this and please correct me if I'm
> wrong, I hate to be thought of as a fink. But I was just looking
> at the Post Count and I would swear you are listed twice. I don't
> think this is the same as MZ, Turq and myself being the same
> poster. 

Because this group allows posting with email and IP addresses not disclosed, 
multiple individuals show up as having the same no_re...@yahoogroups.com email 
address. Therefore, the Post Count determines individuals not by the email 
address, but the name next to the email address. Some people have multiple 
methods of posting to the group that result in multiple names showing up next 
to their email address, and the post count script treats them as separate 
individuals. It is the responsibility of people who choose to post with 
multiple names associated with their email address to add up the post counts of 
all their names. For people who don't post much, it's not an issue; heavy 
posters need to keep track of all their separate post counts.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint -Lose Your BadgeNO SIGN EVER inDOMES

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jun 28, 2011, at 8:19 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote:

> Your request for a picture of a sign is a good one. But then we'd be dealing 
> with facts. Rick's prone to innuendo, not facts.

Um, Dan...Rick hasn't been in the Doom in years.
And, like most other people without badges,
has no way of getting in.  And do you really
think with all the paranoia in the TMO they'd
let someone take pictures?  You ask for
evidence that I'm pretty sure you know nobody
can supply.  Therefore, for you the situation 
doesn't exist.  If that works for you, great.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint -Lose Your BadgeNO SIGN EVER inDOMES

[danfriedman2002]

Your request for a picture of a sign is a good one. But then we'd be dealing 
with facts. Rick's prone to innuendo, not facts.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@... wrote:
>
> 
> 
>  
> In a message dated 6/27/2011 8:17:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> thomas.pall@... writes:
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at  6:31 PM, Rick Archer <_rick@..._ 
> (mailto:rick@...) >  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I started  this thread by stating that there was a sign up in the dome(s) 
> stating that  you would lose your badge if you helped a saint. I heard 
> recently that in  the office where you go to get your dome badge, there is a 
> sign 
> stating that  it’s OK to visit saints, but not OK to help them in any way. 
> Amma was just  in Iowa this weekend, and there was a good turnout.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> A good friend of mine just recently applied for an IA badge and did not  
> see this sign and when he asked about visiting saints, he got a very cold  
> reception.   Would you kindly attach a picture of this sign to your post?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: So who is Jay Lathom? Is that a pseudonym?

[danfriedman2002]

Ricks sense of balance is questionable, but he defends it unquestioningly. 
Maybe questioning is a good thing.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall  wrote:
>
> Judy gave a URL to an old message (
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/71883 ), quoting an
> excerpt of a book by this Jay Lathom fellow.  This Jay's new to me.  I
> stopped reading about spiritual/enlightenment matters after reading
> *Autobiography
> of a Yogi* and *Be Here Now*.  IME, reading about enlightenment and
> spiritual matters is about as satisfying compared to experiencing as
> watching porn is compared to engaging in the real thing.   I /think/ the
> implication was that JL was describing RC's encounter with Maharishi and
> Maharishi's "validation" of RC's ?enlightenment?.  Am I correct in the
> assumption?   Is Jay Lathom another pseudonym for FFL's latest noodnick,
> Masked Zebra?
> 
> With respect to Masked Zebra/RC.  I notice that though RC posted out, he's
> still posting.  Shows to go you how Rick never just set this group in
> motion, hands off, and never, ever provides his slant on things.   Rick
> receives I'm sure, dozens of emails a day yet only certain ones he posts to
> the group and then only in the spirit of fairness and balance.  Yeah.
> Nabby, there are some things I have to agree with you about.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[danfriedman2002]

Are these tricks commonplace on FFL? Just need to know what I'm getting in to.

Alternatively, are these accusations commonplace on FFL. Just need to know what 
I'm getting in to.

A Reader beware posting might help clarify.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
>
> Ravi,
> 
> I apologize in advance for this and please correct me if I'm wrong, I hate to 
> be 
> thought of as a fink. But I was just looking at the Post Count and I would 
> swear 
> you are listed twice. I don't think this is the same as MZ, Turq and myself 
> being the same poster. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Ravi Yogi 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 2:12:03 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of 
> Occam
> 
>   
> Thanks Bob for humorous musings, welcome and apologies. Trust me no offense 
> taken, what you say makes sense since I sat on your message for a while and 
> didn't even feel like responding anything. Surely I'm the first one to 
> deserve 
> these cheapshots since I constantly indulge in it as well though I'm pretty 
> shameless.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
> >
> > Ravi,
> > 
> > I was wondering when you would get around to me. Actually I was hoping you 
> > missed it because I've been feeling a bit ashamed of myself. The Golden 
> > Rule is 
> >
> > about all I have left and I completely blew it with what can only be viewed 
> > as 
> >a 
> >
> >  cheap shot. Sorry for that, sincerely, and thank you for not forgetting 
> > me. Oh 
> >
> > and I almost forgot. Thank you for figuring out my real name. Bobby, as in 
> > up 
> > and down. I'm guessing that you've probably considered the possibility that 
> > MZ
> > and I could be the same poster. Although if we head down that road possibly 
> > MZ
> > is an invention of Turq, which he may have done out of shear boredom. Isn't 
> > there a vedic creation myth that says thats what all the creation is? The 
> > big 
> > guy got bored? Well one thing we know for sure is that I can't write nearly 
> > as 
> 
> > well as those other two manifestations, or at least punctuate. Anyway I 
> > love 
> >you 
> >
> > man and I'm glad you're here both on the post and in this crazy old 
> > creation of 
> >
> > MZ's. Om Shanti bro.
> > 
> > 
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[Bob Price]

Ravi,

I apologize in advance for this and please correct me if I'm wrong, I hate to 
be 
thought of as a fink. But I was just looking at the Post Count and I would 
swear 
you are listed twice. I don't think this is the same as MZ, Turq and myself 
being the same poster. 




From: Ravi Yogi 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 2:12:03 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

  
Thanks Bob for humorous musings, welcome and apologies. Trust me no offense 
taken, what you say makes sense since I sat on your message for a while and 
didn't even feel like responding anything. Surely I'm the first one to deserve 
these cheapshots since I constantly indulge in it as well though I'm pretty 
shameless.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
>
> Ravi,
> 
> I was wondering when you would get around to me. Actually I was hoping you 
> missed it because I've been feeling a bit ashamed of myself. The Golden Rule 
> is 
>
> about all I have left and I completely blew it with what can only be viewed 
> as 
>a 
>
>  cheap shot. Sorry for that, sincerely, and thank you for not forgetting me. 
> Oh 
>
> and I almost forgot. Thank you for figuring out my real name. Bobby, as in up 
> and down. I'm guessing that you've probably considered the possibility that MZ
> and I could be the same poster. Although if we head down that road possibly MZ
> is an invention of Turq, which he may have done out of shear boredom. Isn't 
> there a vedic creation myth that says thats what all the creation is? The big 
> guy got bored? Well one thing we know for sure is that I can't write nearly 
> as 

> well as those other two manifestations, or at least punctuate. Anyway I love 
>you 
>
> man and I'm glad you're here both on the post and in this crazy old creation 
> of 
>
> MZ's. Om Shanti bro.
> 
> 
>

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Aquinas, reconsidered

[Bob Price]

Not to ruin anyones fun or pretend I can do justice to such an excellent 
question, I'm wondering if we can establish a few ground rules before my boy 
starts doing any heavy lifting? I mean, we do have high expectations for this 
"out of towner" but as mentioned previously its important MZ paces himself. 

Please feel free to join in anyone.

Rule 1

Can we agree that an answer to an excellent hypothetical question, no matter 
how 
excellent in itself, can never be more than hypothetical?




From: at_man_and_brahman 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 5:46:43 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Aquinas, reconsidered

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra  wrote:
> >
> > Because in reading Catholic philosophers—like Aquinas—I find
> > myself intuiting the cosmos as they experienced it—I sort of
> > read this off of their writing.
> 
> MZ, I have a question for you.
> 
> Xeno called attention to the fact that Aquinas late in life
> had some kind of experience that "silenced" him and led him
> to declare, "All that I have written seems like straw to me."
> 
> I'm wondering what you think happened to him. (If you've
> already commented on this, forgive me; I did a quick search
> but couldn't find anything.)
> 
> And I have a hypothetical: Let's say you cut your spiritual
> teeth on the writings of Aquinas and thorughly internalized
> his views. You never encountered MMY, knew nothing about him
> or TM or the Eastern idea of enlightenment.
> 
> One day in 1976, out of the blue, with no warning, you had
> the same experience you had on the mountain with MMY that
> you now refer to as "slipping into Unity Consciousness,"
> except that you had no preparation whatsoever and no context
> (and let's say it didn't last very long, a few hours or days).
> 
> How would that have affected your take on Aquinas's writings?
> How long would it have taken you to decide that the experience
> wasn't "real" but Aquinas was?

Excellent question, Judy. My Catholic girlfriend posed exactly the same 
question 
over the weekend when I was trying to explain the whole RC thing and his 
detailed reply to my question. I'm not expert on Aquinas, but his epiphany what 
have been similar to that of Malcolm X at Mecca, when he had his own vision of 
a 
unity of sorts.
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Aquinas, reconsidered

[at_man_and_brahman]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra  wrote:
> >
> > Because in reading Catholic philosophers—like Aquinas—I find
> > myself intuiting the cosmos as they experienced it—I sort of
> > read this off of their writing.
> 
> MZ, I have a question for you.
> 
> Xeno called attention to the fact that Aquinas late in life
> had some kind of experience that "silenced" him and led him
> to declare, "All that I have written seems like straw to me."
> 
> I'm wondering what you think happened to him. (If you've
> already commented on this, forgive me; I did a quick search
> but couldn't find anything.)
> 
> And I have a hypothetical: Let's say you cut your spiritual
> teeth on the writings of Aquinas and thorughly internalized
> his views. You never encountered MMY, knew nothing about him
> or TM or the Eastern idea of enlightenment.
> 
> One day in 1976, out of the blue, with no warning, you had
> the same experience you had on the mountain with MMY that
> you now refer to as "slipping into Unity Consciousness,"
> except that you had no preparation whatsoever and no context
> (and let's say it didn't last very long, a few hours or days).
> 
> How would that have affected your take on Aquinas's writings?
> How long would it have taken you to decide that the experience
> wasn't "real" but Aquinas was?

Excellent question, Judy. My Catholic girlfriend posed exactly the same 
question over the weekend when I was trying to explain the whole RC thing and 
his detailed reply to my question. I'm not expert on Aquinas, but his epiphany 
what have been similar to that of Malcolm X at Mecca, when he had his own 
vision of a unity of sorts.
>

[FairfieldLife] Post Count

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24 Ravi Yogi 
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17 Bhairitu 
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14 seventhray1 
14 Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
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12 Bob Price 
11 richardjwilliamstexas 
11 cardemaister 
11 Robert 
10 raunchydog 
10 Tom Pall 
 9 maskedzebra 
 8 curtisdeltablues 
 6 emptybill 
 6 Denise Evans 
 5 azgrey 
 5 Vaj 
 5 Alex Stanley 
 4 Sal Sunshine 
 3 merlin 
 3 wle...@aol.com
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 2 feste37 
 2 at_man_and_brahman 
 2 PaliGap 
 2 Jean 
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 1 anartaxius 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra  wrote:
>
> Because in reading Catholic philosophers—like Aquinas—I find
> myself intuiting the cosmos as they experienced it—I sort of
> read this off of their writing.

MZ, I have a question for you.

Xeno called attention to the fact that Aquinas late in life
had some kind of experience that "silenced" him and led him
to declare, "All that I have written seems like straw to me."

I'm wondering what you think happened to him. (If you've
already commented on this, forgive me; I did a quick search
but couldn't find anything.)

And I have a hypothetical: Let's say you cut your spiritual
teeth on the writings of Aquinas and thorughly internalized
his views. You never encountered MMY, knew nothing about him
or TM or the Eastern idea of enlightenment.

One day in 1976, out of the blue, with no warning, you had
the same experience you had on the mountain with MMY that
you now refer to as "slipping into Unity Consciousness,"
except that you had no preparation whatsoever and no context
(and let's say it didn't last very long, a few hours or days).

How would that have affected your take on Aquinas's writings?
How long would it have taken you to decide that the experience
wasn't "real" but Aquinas was?

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra  wrote:

> > RESPONSE: I think that pretty much settles this issue, 
> > authfriend, as it would be impossible for you to hold to
> > this idea if experience had not confirmed it—else, with
> > such an attitude, you yourself would have been a victim
> > of an ironic truth that you were not in on. And from all
> . that I can tell you seem totally unscathed —not someone
> > who, unintentionally, sets themselves up to be mocked.
> > 
> > Thanks for the irony-tuning.
> 
> MZ, you obviously have not completed your de-enlightenment
> as you still seem to be rockin' that omniscience thang as confirmed 
> in the uniquely historically valuable website devoted to Ms. Stein 
> maintained by the esteemed journalist Andrew A. Skolnick. 
> 
> http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/

Say, az, did you give up on your project to defend Vaj
from my and others' allegation that he was never a TM
teacher? It was quite some time ago that you demanded
the evidence and I supplied it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Goddess of Liberty, Texas State Capitol

[richardjwilliamstexas]

> > Why are almost all the TM Teacher informants on FFL 
> > so prejudiced against certain groups of people? 
> >
azgrey:
> Willy, don't you just hate those TM teachers?
> 
Only the lying weasel informants on FFL!

> Go figure.
>
Well, I figured that if I didn't see your name, 'azgrey'
on the TMO approved list of teachers, that you were not 
one of them, or that you got kicked out. 

Something tells me you have not been within a thousand 
miles of a Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge in many years. 
Correct me if I'm wrong about this. 

Are you still making those TMO status claims? Let's have 
some proof you're not just trolling. Rick can smell an
impostor like he can smell a fart inside a car.

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[richardjwilliamstexas]

> > Thanks for the irony-tuning.
> >
azgrey:
> ...the uniquely historically valuable website 
> devoted to Ms. Stein maintained by the esteemed 
> journalist Andrew A. Skolnick... 
> 
> http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/
>
You can pretty much tell when an informant is in
a conversation that is way over their heads when 
they resort to linking to assholenick's Judy 
site!

Hey, assgrey - you'd be a lot better at being a Judy 
critic if you'd bother to read the posts of Andrew 
Skolnick on Usenet *in context*.

IF you were not such a prejudiced weasel. 

But, in fact, Judy thinks that Andrew putting up a 
web site with quotes is a compliment, because it 
proves that Andrew could not win a fair debate, so 
it was his last resort to try and win an argument. 

LoL!

Andrew Skolnick:
http://tinyurl.com/3uquuoz

[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge

[azgrey]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey  wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for the great rap on Blues history Curtis.
> > It is interesting, informative, and entertaining. I find 
> > it interesting that it was drawn out by the much pilloried
> > maskedzebra. Anytime you want to lay a blues history rap
> > out there, I for one, will relish reading it.
> > 
> > One of my favorites, Howlin' Wolf, probably falls outside of 
> > your acoustic blues historiography. I recently heard the 
> > plaintive wailing of a few bars of "Smokestack Lightnin'"
> > emanating from my television. I looked up to see it had been 
> > appropriated for a Viagra commercial. I briefly felt like
> > I had died a little inside.  
> 
> Different...uh...strokes for different folks. I kinda
> spring a woodie when I hear Smokestack Lightnin', so
> the commercial works for me physiologically. :-)


I'm sure Rory has filed away that factoid Turq. 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[azgrey]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
> > 
> > > > Turq is the real deal too~~he always saves his best
> > > > for when you're not looking for it. 
> > > 
> > > RESPONSE: You are about the third person who has warned me
> > > about the formidable and dangerous (if he should challenge
> > > you) Turq, whereas I, in sizing him up from his posts in
> > > response to me, have found him unthreatening.
> > 
> > MZ, I think you may have missed the irony in the warnings of
> > the other two posters. (Sal, however, is quite serious.)
> 
> RESPONSE: I think that pretty much settles this issue, authfriend, as it 
> would be impossible for you to hold to this idea if experience had not 
> confirmed it—else, with such an attitude, you yourself would have been a 
> victim of an ironic truth that you were not in on. And from all that I can 
> tell you seem totally unscathed —not someone who, unintentionally, sets 
> themselves up to be mocked.
> 
> Thanks for the irony-tuning.

MZ, you obviously have not completed your de-enlightenment
as you still seem to be rockin' that omniscience thang as confirmed 
in the uniquely historically valuable website devoted to Ms. Stein 
maintained by the esteemed journalist Andrew A. Skolnick. 

http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge

[Ravi Yogi]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall  wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I don't pretend to understandbut how does one "help" a saint
> > anyhowexcept for giving $$ perhaps to organization.
> >
> > How did your visit to Amma go?
> >
> > -
> >
>
> It depends on the Saint.  SSRS requires no help.  There's no
orchestration.
>   Saint Amma, OTOH, requires lots of logistics to handle the
multitude,
> change money in the temple, run the store, help out at initiations,
cook and
> serve food, herd the multitude, get people in position then out of
position
> as quickly as possible for their hug and Ma, Ma.   Gotta shine her
silver
> crown and all that stuff.   Heck, a visit from Amma makes a visit from
the
> Pope look tame and uneventful.
>

You liar, you don't need to spend a dime to have Amma's darshan.

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[Ravi Yogi]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans 
wrote:
>
> Well, I do not pretend to have achieved the simplicity of this
goal...so perhaps an "existential leap" is required...I have been
focused on observing my interactions with the rest of the world and
slowing my reactions of late.
Sounds good.
> It is true that I have been reading (to much amusement) many of the
posts on this site and I must say that, in some threads, it seems there
is much discussion that is mired in debating the semantics of choice for
the respective commenters - it reminds me that our brain/ego tends to
overcomplicate in its desire to be recognized and then the core message
is lost in the distraction of the words.
Right again.
> Did you visit Amma this year in Iowa and what did you come away with?
>
I visited Amma in the Bay area and LA, I will be in Boston as well. It's
just a love affair with Ammachi now, a true lover doesn't care for any
acknowledgement from his beloved, it's all about giving and sharing my
love, I have everything I need now.

>
> --- On Mon, 6/27/11, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
>
> From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@...
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe
William of Occam
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 7:51 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@ wrote:
> >
> > Snip:  "Enlightenment is just being oneself, a state of
absolute self-love (narcissism as Barry would say) that then extends
outwards, the unique expression of divine, the divine admiring its own
creation in its unique limited localized manifestation and then all
individuals are part of this whole. "
> > So, enlightenment is "self-love" extended to others.  (True
self-love is not narcissism - narcissism is based on development of a
false self to cover up and protect one's real self). ÂÂ
> > Loving self, others, and living in the moment.  Doesn't seem
too complicated.
> >Â
> Yes indeed doesn't seem too complicated Denise but it really requires
an existential leap to reach this simple utterly relaxed state, at least
for me.
> I realized I had collected so much neurosis, from the society, that I
need to be a millionaire with a million dollar wife, million dollar kids
and a million dollar car and house to be happy. That I needed to be a
model citizen, a model parent, a model child, that I needed to help
someone, help suffering people in Sudan, that I had to be a Gandhi, had
to be a Teresa, that I had to million things in order to feel happy.
> To achieve this state, this state where you don't need to do anything,
you don't owe anyone anything, to feel that every moment the existence
is in a blissful orgasm with you, that the existence is somehow
incomplete with you, this state truly requires an existential leap.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[Ravi Yogi]

Thanks Bob for humorous musings, welcome and apologies. Trust me no
offense taken, what you say makes sense since I sat on your message for
a while and didn't even feel like responding anything. Surely I'm the
first one to deserve these cheapshots since I constantly indulge in it
as well though I'm pretty shameless.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
>
> Ravi,
>
> I was wondering when you would get around to me. Actually I was hoping
you
> missed it because I've been feeling a bit ashamed of myself. The
Golden Rule is
> about all I have left and I completely blew it with what can only be
viewed as a
>  cheap shot. Sorry for that, sincerely, and thank you for not
forgetting me. Oh
> and I almost forgot. Thank you for figuring out my real name. Bobby,
as in up
> and down. I'm guessing that you've probably considered the possibility
that MZ
> and I could be the same poster. Although if we head down that road
possibly MZ
> is an invention of Turq, which he may have done out of shear boredom.
Isn't
> there a vedic creation myth that says thats what all the creation is?
The big
> guy got bored? Well one thing we know for sure is that I can't write
nearly as
> well as those other two manifestations, or at least punctuate. Anyway
I love you
> man and I'm glad you're here both on the post and in this crazy old
creation of
> MZ's. Om Shanti bro.
>
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[maskedzebra]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
> 
> > > Turq is the real deal too~~he always saves his best
> > > for when you're not looking for it. 
> > 
> > RESPONSE: You are about the third person who has warned me
> > about the formidable and dangerous (if he should challenge
> > you) Turq, whereas I, in sizing him up from his posts in
> > response to me, have found him unthreatening.
> 
> MZ, I think you may have missed the irony in the warnings of
> the other two posters. (Sal, however, is quite serious.)

RESPONSE: I think that pretty much settles this issue, authfriend, as it would 
be impossible for you to hold to this idea if experience had not confirmed 
it—else, with such an attitude, you yourself would have been a victim of an 
ironic truth that you were not in on. And from all that I can tell you seem 
totally unscathed —not someone who, unintentionally, sets themselves up to be 
mocked.

Thanks for the irony-tuning.


>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[Bob Price]

MZ,

I'm walking on sunshine. I'm so pleased that like us other oldies on the blog 
you're back in action after a goods nights rest. I intentionally avoid the word 
sleep as I'm hoping you didn't give up all the perks when you DE-enlightened. 

I'm posting to assure you that there will be no repeats in our upcoming "Great 
Master-less Tour". As tempting as it would be to repeat the previous chopper 
event we're going LARGE which calls for large ideas. That's why FFL is the 
place 
to work out the kinks, think of it as an out of towner before we open on 
Broadway. 

So for our chopper event I'm thinking some hybrid of Captain Duvall in 
Apocalypse Now and Abbie Hoffman at the NYSE. Of course the music won't work, I 
see you more Bach than "Ride of the Valkyries". And course for Abbie's part of 
throwing US dollars on the exchange floor won't work either. These days, to get 
any ones attention we'd have to throw so many dollars out we might hurt 
someone. 
I'm thinking more Kuwati Dinars or something. We did invade that place didn't 
we? There must be a few bags stored somewhere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V92OBNsQgxU

Unfortunately I have some bad news although no way a deal breaker. I spoke to 
our backers. I won't confirm if the Kaplan's are involved. No way on the 
trailer 
Bigger than Will Smith's. My God, that was longer than a Manhattan block! They 
want to assure you though its not the cost (count your fingers) its that so 
many 
things could go wrong with the press. If it became an item we'd have follow 
Will' lead and they just can't see you out there glad handing the great 
unwashed. I think they may have a point. So we're wondering if the top floor of 
the Plaza would work? Of course with the assurance that you won't bump into 
Charlie Sheen is in the hallway brawling with some hookers. MZ, we're going to 
make mince meat of his tweeter record.

http://www.businessinsider.com/will-smith-trailer-2011-5

I loved your insights on money. Have you read "Money And The Meaning of Life" 
by 
Jacob Needleman. Highly recommend. I don't think he's been baptized, but I 
think 
he has a firm grip on the old testament. . 

http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/09/meaning.html








From: maskedzebra 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 12:00:33 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
>
> On Jun 27, 2011, at 3:09 PM, maskedzebra wrote:
> 
> > I am, however, going to ask you to slow down on the tour preparations. 
> > That's 
>a pretty big move for this willed introvert (once exuberant performer).
> 
> Never mind the tour, mz~~could you just do another
> helicopter drop?  That was one of the coolest sights
> I've ever seen on the MUM campus.  That was real,
> man.  It's definitely high time for a repeat.

RESPONSE: Yeah, it was inspired (came out of UC, remember). Only trouble was 
that, as I remember, the letters were dropped not exactly when everyone was 
emerging from the Domes, but a little before then. This meant the event was not 
timed perfectly, and even that much of what was dropped was scooped up before 
(a 
clarion call from the enlightened man) could be read—and the TM reformation put 
into motion. But Beatle music was blasting loudly, and it was one moment that 
seemed to be breaking into the mind-locked set in the TMO. I was not up there 
in 
the helicopter, however—I left that to two of my top disciples (by the way, 
even 
though I was, I suppose, a cult leader, everyone had total mental freedom to 
THINK WHATEVER THEY WISHED AND ACT HOWEVER THEY SAW FIT [see how defensive an 
ex-UC guy can get? Take it easy, MZ]. But upon hearing about the event, there 
was a kind of burst of happy energy that was still resonating—let me, try it, 
Sal:—through the universe!

But as for a much wished-for repeat, just on principle I would never (and did 
not when enlightened) repeat anything I did. We'd have to come up with 
something 
else. And besides, the sense of silent defeatedness inside the 
TMO—unrecognized, 
denied as it is—is in a pretty advanced state these days—even as I notice that 
scientific studies touting TM for reducing tension continue to be published. 
Defeatedness here means: no chance of enlightenment, no chance of inner 
permanent happiness, no hovering, no reduction in the inward neurotic 
existential tension of being a human being, no visible 'Support of Nature' 
(although that certainly WAS once there), no sense of spiritual romance; no 
expectation of a wonderful breakthrough in one's spiritual progress, no 
innocent 
enthusiasm for TM, growing embarrassment about the personal reputation of 
Maharishi; faith as a substitute for experience—I am sure you are as familiar 
with all this as I am, Sal.

There's not the same uptight, repressed, trance-like context to arouse and 
provoke as there was back there in 1983. I had expe

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:

> > Turq is the real deal too~~he always saves his best
> > for when you're not looking for it. 
> 
> RESPONSE: You are about the third person who has warned me
> about the formidable and dangerous (if he should challenge
> you) Turq, whereas I, in sizing him up from his posts in
> response to me, have found him unthreatening.

MZ, I think you may have missed the irony in the warnings of
the other two posters. (Sal, however, is quite serious.)

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Denise Evans
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 10:31 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge

 

  


I don't pretend to understandbut how does one "help" a saint 
anyhowexcept for giving $$ perhaps to organization.

 

Things before the program like putting up posters, organizing, etc. Many jobs 
to do during the program.

 

How did your visit to Amma go?  

 

Great. Fun and uplifting.


 

 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Tom Pall
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 7:13 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge

 

  

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Rick Archer  wrote:

 

I started this thread by stating that there was a sign up in the dome(s)
stating that you would lose your badge if you helped a saint. I heard
recently that in the office where you go to get your dome badge, there is a
sign stating that it's OK to visit saints, but not OK to help them in any
way. Amma was just in Iowa this weekend, and there was a good turnout.

 

A good friend of mine just recently applied for an IA badge and did not see
this sign and when he asked about visiting saints, he got a very cold
reception.   Would you kindly attach a picture of this sign to your post? 

 

No can do. Didn't see the sign myself. Was just told about it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Nokia's last cool phone?

[Bhairitu]

On 06/28/2011 11:49 AM, cardemaister wrote:
> http://mobilementalism.com/2011/06/21/why-the-nokia-n9-left-me-lost-for-words/
>
> I'm afraid the first Windoze phone shall suck compared to
> N9... : /

Meanwhile Android is getting over 500,000 activations a day.
http://phandroid.com/2011/06/28/andy-rubin-now-over-50-android-device-activations-per-day/

Nokia should have just gone Android. Phone company narcissism?

[FairfieldLife] Re: News blackout about flooding at Nebraska nuke plant?

[azgrey]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall  wrote:
>
> Nebraska has the Black Hills and the stately buffalo.  Iowa's got pigs and
> rajas.
>


So geography really isn't your thing.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Goddess of Liberty, Texas State Capitol

[azgrey]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "richardjwilliamstexas"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> azgrey:
> > From what I've heard he knows a whole lot more more 
> > about those Texas prarie dogs than he lets on...
> > 
> Why are almost all the TM Teacher informants on FFL 
> so prejudiced against certain groups of people? 

Willy, don't you just hate those TM teachers?

Go figure.

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[maskedzebra]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
>
> On Jun 27, 2011, at 3:09 PM, maskedzebra wrote:
> 
> > I am, however, going to ask you to slow down on the tour preparations. 
> > That's a pretty big move for this willed introvert (once exuberant 
> > performer).
> 
> Never mind the tour, mz~~could you just do another
> helicopter drop?  That was one of the coolest sights
> I've ever seen on the MUM campus.  That was real,
> man.  It's definitely high time for a repeat.

RESPONSE: Yeah, it was inspired (came out of UC, remember). Only trouble was 
that, as I remember, the letters were dropped not exactly when everyone was 
emerging from the Domes, but a little before then. This meant the event was not 
timed perfectly, and even that much of what was dropped was scooped up before 
(a clarion call from the enlightened man) could be read—and the TM reformation 
put into motion. But Beatle music was blasting loudly, and it was one moment 
that seemed to be breaking into the mind-locked set in the TMO. I was not up 
there in the helicopter, however—I left that to two of my top disciples (by the 
way, even though I was, I suppose, a cult leader, everyone had total mental 
freedom to THINK WHATEVER THEY WISHED AND ACT HOWEVER THEY SAW FIT [see how 
defensive an ex-UC guy can get? Take it easy, MZ]. But upon hearing about the 
event, there was a kind of burst of happy energy that was still resonating—let 
me, try it, Sal:—through the universe!

But as for a much wished-for repeat, just on principle I would never (and did 
not when enlightened) repeat anything I did. We'd have to come up with 
something else. And besides, the sense of silent defeatedness inside the 
TMO—unrecognized, denied as it is—is in a pretty advanced state these days—even 
as I notice that scientific studies touting TM for reducing tension continue to 
be published. Defeatedness here means: no chance of enlightenment, no chance of 
inner permanent happiness, no hovering, no reduction in the inward neurotic 
existential tension of being a human being, no visible 'Support of Nature' 
(although that certainly WAS once there), no sense of spiritual romance; no 
expectation of a wonderful breakthrough in one's spiritual progress, no 
innocent enthusiasm for TM, growing embarrassment about the personal reputation 
of Maharishi; faith as a substitute for experience—I am sure you are as 
familiar with all this as I am, Sal.

There's not the same uptight, repressed, trance-like context to arouse and 
provoke as there was back there in 1983. I had expected the helicopter (and the 
Beatle music) to create a space for a different kind of initiation. Making 
Things Personal. But I must get a grip here, Sal—or I am likely to go off.

When I came up with the helicopter drop-off idea, I was still in love with 
Maharishi, and convinced that the Movement only had to become the beneficiary 
of my enlightenment. Then we really could go ahead and change the world. 
(Because of the integration of West and East.) Me and the people who were with 
me (mostly initiators loyal to MMY) had created out own spiritual context 
inside the universe, and we were familiar with that universe. It was just the 
TM universe with a difference: The personal side of reality fused with the 
impersonal side. Of course in the end in the most profound sense, even this was 
BS. As I had to discover the hard way.

By the way, Maharishi held off—for 6 years—putting any kind of obstacle in my 
way, as I continued to do my Western enlightenment thing. Then under the 
imperative of the law, he was forced to show his hand—and, I believe against 
his will, he refused to endorse my enlightenment.

Have I gone on too long here, Sal? Gotta watch that unconscious narcissism. For 
me, there at MUM, THERE'S NOTHING TO STRIKE AT ANYMORE. It's not as if the 
universe is threatened to be taken over by Bevan—but at one time, in my 
experience at least, it seemed that MMY and TM and the TMO WAS going to take 
over the universe. And that helicopter drop-off with the Beatle music blaring 
was my attempt to infuse soul into this cosmic take-over—before it was too late.

I guess, from what you say here, you were THERE?

I was pretty goddamn provocative and fearless in those days. But yes, this was 
one of the better ideas I had—but I was, believe it or not, still in love with 
Maharishi and certain he, secretly, approved of my carrying out this act of 
celebratory confrontation of his moribund Movement.
> 
> > But if you can guarantee the cash up front, I might consider it.
> 
> Now you're talking like a true TMer!  Forget mantras, 
> we *know* what's important, right?

RESPONSE: Look, Sal, the money is going to have to be VERY GOOD indeed to yank 
me out of my forced seclusion. But yes, the matter of how much money is offered 
up front and guaranteed, this will be the determinative in whether I give the 
green light to Bob or not. Money is a kind of poetry as one American writer 
said. But the

[FairfieldLife] Nokia's last cool phone?

[cardemaister]

http://mobilementalism.com/2011/06/21/why-the-nokia-n9-left-me-lost-for-words/

I'm afraid the first Windoze phone shall suck compared to
N9... : /

[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge

[whynotnow7]

That's giving Hagelin a break, but I think Harris could pull it off.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > "Battle Of The Saints". C'mon someone HAS to make that movie!
> > 
> > Already casting it in my head. So far I've got Samuel
> > L. Jackson playing Maharishi and Margo Martindale (from
> > "Dexter" and "Justified") playing Amma. I considered
> > John Goodman for Bevan but it just didn't work because
> > Goodman is funny.
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
> > wrote:
> Ed Harris as John Hagelin?
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[Bob Price]

My god Sal, am I so out of date? It was 1% when I left in 76 and now you tell 
me 
they've gotten it all the way down to 1/10 of 1%. Holy Jamoli. Well, that's 
just 
another hundred or two million for us. I was thinking left as juxtaposed to 
right and behind juxtaposed to front. To use another of these pesky quotes, 
"Follow me the wise man said, but he walked behind".-Leonard Cohen.




From: Sal Sunshine 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 9:54:13 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of 
Occam

  
On Jun 28, 2011, at 11:08 AM, Bob Price wrote:
Sal,
>
>
>My only recent disappointment, with this thread, has been your absence. 

Bob, I knew that.  Which is why I decided to step back in,
and not deny anyone the benefit of my posts any longer.
Don't thank me, it's nothing.

I'm now, with your help, nearing fulfilment although I'm going to resist any 
sense of oneness with anyone cause frankly, I just don't have time to respond 
to 
all the posts those feelings might create.

Me neither, considering my huge following on FFL.

I may be be sticking my neck out here, we're still in negotiations on his final 
package, book rights could be an issue, but I think I speak for MZ when I say 
anyone with as developed a sense of humour as you is welcome on the "World 
Tour". You can consider the chopper a done deal although we will have to speak 
about the tarot cards, don't forget we're going main stream here. Our 
demographic is the 99. (you know what I mean) % the TMO has 
left 
behind.

Left Behind??  Uh, oh...
But really, I thought that 00.1% is all we needed.
Were we misled?

Sal 

 

[FairfieldLife] NO such sign there in domes Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge

[WLeed3]

 
In a message dated 6/28/2011 12:40:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
waybac...@yahoo.com writes:



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb   wrote:
>
> --- In  FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > "Battle Of The Saints". C'mon someone HAS to  make that movie!
> 
> Already casting it in my head. So far I've  got Samuel
> L. Jackson playing Maharishi and Margo Martindale  (from
> "Dexter" and "Justified") playing Amma. I considered
>  John Goodman for Bevan but it just didn't work because
> Goodman is  funny.
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal  Sunshine 
> wrote:
Ed Harris as John  Hagelin?





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jun 28, 2011, at 11:08 AM, Bob Price wrote:

> Sal,
> 
> My only recent disappointment, with this thread, has been your absence.

Bob, I knew that.  Which is why I decided to step back in,
and not deny anyone the benefit of my posts any longer.
Don't thank me, it's nothing.

> I'm now, with your help, nearing fulfilment although I'm going to resist any 
> sense of oneness with anyone cause frankly, I just don't have time to respond 
> to all the posts those feelings might create.

Me neither, considering my huge following on FFL.

> I may be be sticking my neck out here, we're still in negotiations on his 
> final package, book rights could be an issue, but I think I speak for MZ when 
> I say anyone with as developed a sense of humour as you is welcome on the 
> "World Tour". You can consider the chopper a done deal although we will have 
> to speak about the tarot cards, don't forget we're going main stream here. 
> Our demographic is the 99. (you know what I mean) % the TMO 
> has left behind.

Left Behind??  Uh, oh...
But really, I thought that 00.1% is all we needed.
Were we misled?

Sal

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[Bob Price]

From: RoryGoff 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 9:10:50 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
>
> Sal,
> 
> My only recent disappointment, with this thread, has been your absence. I'm 
>now, 
>
> with your help, nearing fulfilment although I'm going to resist any sense of 
> oneness with anyone cause frankly, I just don't have time to respond to all 
> the 
>
> posts those feelings might create. I may be be sticking my neck out here, 
> we're 
>
> still in negotiations on his final package, book rights could be an issue, 
> but 
>I 
>
> think I speak for MZ when I say anyone with as developed a sense of humour as 
> you is welcome on the "World Tour". You can consider the chopper a done deal 
> although we will have to speak about the tarot cards, don't forget we're 
> going 

> main stream here. Our demographic is the 99. (you know what I 
> mean) % the TMO has left behind.

* * Why not simply have the chopper drop the tarot cards? Two birds and all 
that.
Finally some real ideas. I hope we're not going to have any prior art issues 
with you when the money starts rollin in. 
MZ and I have discussed this and we were thinking a little more Mesopotamia 
adventures, a real deck of cards with pictures
of the saints, say; Maharishi as the ace of spades, Amma the Queen of hearts 
and 
of course Krishnamurti as the joker. Might even throw WE in as a deuce 
of something. Anyway, early days.

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Circus begins

[richardjwilliamstexas]

> > OMG - another gaffe by a politician!!!
> >
authfriend:
> As Willytex knows, the quote above did not refer to her
> gaffe (in fact, I said of it, "But that's relatively
> trivial").
> 
> What the quote referred to was an article about her
> appalling record of nontrivial falsehoods. 
>
So, you don't want to talk about the Barack Obama gaffe 
machine of nontrivial falsehoods. Yes, I already knew 
that. I'd say that Obama is a chronic liar AND exceedingly 
poorly informed. LoL!

But, does that matter in a political election? Apparently
not, since he may get re-elected. So, why pick on Michele
Bachmann? Go figure.

"We only have a certain number of them and if they are 
all in Iraq, then it's harder for us to use them in
Afghanistan." The real reason it's "harder for us to use 
them" in Afghanistan: Iraqis speak Arabic or Kurdish. 
The Afghanis speak Pashto, Farsi, or other non-Arabic 
languages.

http://tinyurl.com/5fh676 


> It's hard to tell whether Bachmann is just exceedingly
> poorly informed, or a chronic liar.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>
> Samuel L Jackson as Maharishi? That would be badass. 

Maharishi: [shoots the man on the hug line at Amma's] I'm 
sorry, did I break your concentration? I didn't mean to do 
that. Please, continue, you were saying something about best 
intentions. What's the matter? Oh, you were finished! Well, 
allow me to retort. What does Maharishi Mahesh Yogi look like?
Brett: What?
Maharishi: What country are you from?
Brett: What? What? Wh - ?
Maharishi: "What" ain't no country I've ever heard of. They 
speak English in What?
Brett: What?
Maharishi: English, motherfucker, do you speak it?
Brett: Yes! Yes!
Maharishi: Then you know what I'm sayin'!
Brett: Yes!
Maharishi: Describe what Maharishi Mahesh Yogi looks like!
Brett: What?
Maharishi: Say 'what' again. Say 'what' again, I dare you, I 
double dare you motherfucker, say what one more Goddamn time!
Brett: He's Indian.
Maharishi: Go on!
Brett: He's bald.
Maharishi: Does he look like a bitch?
Brett: What?
Maharishi: [Shoots Brett in the shoulder] Does he LOOK like a 
bitch?!
Brett: No!
Maharishi: Then why'd you try to fuck him like a bitch, Brett?
Brett: I didn't!
Maharishi: Yes, you did! Yes, you did, Brett! You tried to 
fuck him. And Maharishi Mahesh Yogi don't like to be fucked 
by anybody except Mother Divine. And the occasional groupie.

> Didn't John Goodman lose a good bit of weight? 

Another reason he wouldn't work as Bevan.

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > "Battle Of The Saints". C'mon someone HAS to make that movie!
> > 
> > Already casting it in my head. So far I've got Samuel
> > L. Jackson playing Maharishi and Margo Martindale (from
> > "Dexter" and "Justified") playing Amma. I considered
> > John Goodman for Bevan but it just didn't work because
> > Goodman is funny.
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Jun 27, 2011, at 5:31 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I started this thread by stating that there was a sign up in the
> > dome(s) stating
> > > > > that you would lose your badge if you helped a saint. I heard
> > recently that in
> > > > > the office where you go to get your dome badge, there is a sign
> > stating that it's
> > > > > OK to visit saints, but not OK to help them in any way. Amma was
> > just in
> > > > > Iowa this weekend, and there was a good turnout.
> > > >
> > > > But not here in Fairfield, which is undoubtedly where
> > > > her biggest audience is.
> > > >
> > > > Sal
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge

[wayback71]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" 
> wrote:
> >
> > "Battle Of The Saints". C'mon someone HAS to make that movie!
> 
> Already casting it in my head. So far I've got Samuel
> L. Jackson playing Maharishi and Margo Martindale (from
> "Dexter" and "Justified") playing Amma. I considered
> John Goodman for Bevan but it just didn't work because
> Goodman is funny.
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
> wrote:
Ed Harris as John Hagelin?

[FairfieldLife] Ray Kurzweil and Death

[Bhairitu]

Last night I finally got around to watching "Transcendent Man" which was 
in my Netflix queue.  It's  documentary about inventor and futurist Ray 
Kruzweil.  A few years back a relative gave me a copy of Kurzweil's book 
"Singularity" which is much discussed in the film.  I never thought much 
of Kurzweil's ideas though he made a decent synthesizer and did 
meritorious work for the blind.  But his concept of merging man and 
machine would of course turn off someone who is spiritually inclined.

Kurweil has a fear of death and wants to work on stuff to keep him 
living forever.  Personally I don't think he is going to make it.  You 
look at the logarithm he's draw for Singularity and think "when it is 
fully vertical it will fall over."  In fact there are already signs of 
why his theory won't play out.  First of all most of society can't keep 
pace with such development and the folly of fragmentation is beginning 
to show up.  Then we have the corporate wars as companies fight over who 
owns what.  Oh dear, poor Ray.

But then as I got to know Ray in the documentary I figured him out: he's 
like a jazz musician just riffing on ideas.  Some of his ideas will work 
and probably a lot won't.  The ones that work got him some where.  The 
rest are pretty much BS.  Who cares about details, just be creative.

Of course that's what we'd expect of a son of a professional musician 
and concert master.  Those of you who've probably played in orchestras 
know what I'm talking about and we can see in the film that Kurzweil's 
father made quite and impression on him.  Concert masters (orchestra 
conductors) can be quite meglomanical.

I resonate more with the ideas of Hugo de Garis who is interviewed in 
the film.  I think he has a better idea of where this society is going.  
But overall the film is an interesting watch and available Watch 
Instantly on Netflix:
http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Transcendent_Man/70117003

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1117394/

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[maskedzebra]

Dear Ravi,

Well, I think I will let someone else (good friend that he is) speak on behalf 
of myself—and who knows? maybe you too. Here's what this very nice fellow 
said—it's been a while, mind you, since he said it, but I think he still 
believes the same thing—No, in fact I am sure he does. You there, Ravi? Here 
goes:

"Not merely learning about divine things but also experiencing them—that does 
not come from mere intellectual acquaintance. . . but from loving the things of 
God and cleaving to them by affection. Fellow-feeling comes from fondness 
rather than from cognizance, for things understood are in the mind in the 
mind's own fashion, whereas desire goes out to things as they are in 
themselves; love would transform us into the very condition of their being. 
Thus by the settled bent of his affections. . . the lover of divine matters 
divinely catches their gist."

Isn't this Ravi Yogi all over?

But (this close friend of mine) also said (not incompatible with previous 
statement):

"Truth is a divine thing, a friend more excellent than any human friend."

To the consternation and chagrin of a few readers on this blog I happen to 
believe wholeheartedly in both these—let me call them this—PERCEPTIONS.

The last—Hi, Ravi—idea of my friend (It is not exactly an original notion I'd 
say—but it's the succinctness of the way of it getting said that sticks with 
me) is, even in a purely psychological sense, germane to our present situation:

"Everything is provided for in the scheme of the universal cause; nothing can 
evade it."

(Although speaking on behalf of myself, as a victim of your eviscerations of my 
beliefs and autobiographical confessions, I would have to end with a final 
quote—same person:
"Nothing appears more to impugn divine providence in human affairs than the 
affliction of the innocent.")

But let's get serious, Ravi.

We both seem more or less unyielding in our own original ways of seeing things, 
Ravi [my erstwhile Unity Consciousness, your ongoing Self-Realization]. I am 
happy to leave it at that. This friend, whom I have quoted here, he did teach 
me (directly and indirectly) more than MMY did—although nothing in my 
experience can touch the brilliance, the power, and the joy of those eighteen 
years when I thought Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (and his Teaching—and the context he 
created inside creation for me to exist and thrive) the functional equivalent 
of God.

Since (in my opinion) Maharishi (and his metaphysical context) went as far as 
anything could go towards the experience and reality of Heaven itself (inside 
of oneself I suppose), the fact that in the end he proved to be a charlatan—and 
oh so subtly corrupt through and through—must mean that he (and his Teaching) 
was mocking something that WAS real and true (or so I must infer, given the 
person that I am).

Therefore, Ravi, there is a truth ("more excellent than any friend"—or, I would 
add, any lover) that we will enter into when we go through the experience of 
death. My reason for posting on this blog, believe it or not, is to prepare 
myself for just this very non-contingent reality. It's coming up for me, in 
other words, whether I like it or not.

I excepte your Beloved in this; I realize he/she never even got born. That, I 
have to admit, is a considerable advantage over myself. He/she ain't no afraid 
of dying either.

In any case, I have to conclude that opposition from the Ravi Yogi, why, it's 
just part of the happy ordeal of getting ready for what I will encounter (and 
never be fully ready for) when my soul is—forcibly—separated from my body.

When that famous saint [something I have quoted previous posts] said: 
"Everything is grace", what she meant was that everything that is happening in 
the universe—including the decisions made by our own very private free 
wills—and all the suffering and violence and injustice—can be apprehended, if 
one is given supernaturally this perspective, to be not happening outside of 
the intention of a Personal Intelligence.

Alas, I have not been afforded this sainted viewpoint.

But anyhow, Ravi, even this quarrel between us, when I am rendered dumbfounded 
by your chameleon, protean, quicksilver shifts of mood and thought, 
is—necessarily—part of this grace.

And so, I should be content. And, I think, after this latest exchange (at least 
when it comes to the happy, merry, infuriating flourishes of one Ravi Yogi), I 
am.

Can we leave it at that, Ravi?—I mean with the implicit promise you will not 
"afflict the innocent"? Like St Francis, I am more trusting in Sister Death 
than the whirling dervish Indian engineer who has so tormented [Why, oh why, 
God?] me since I came onto this blog.

But you must NEVER think you have pierced the armour of my unassailable and 
indefectible personal belief system. Only Mr Death can do that (I have, I know, 
switched genders).

Look, Ravi—and by golly this is the last time I am going to tell you this: I AM 
RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge

[whynotnow7]

Samuel L Jackson as Maharishi? That would be badass. Didn't John Goodman loose 
a good bit of weight? 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" 
> wrote:
> >
> > "Battle Of The Saints". C'mon someone HAS to make that movie!
> 
> Already casting it in my head. So far I've got Samuel
> L. Jackson playing Maharishi and Margo Martindale (from
> "Dexter" and "Justified") playing Amma. I considered
> John Goodman for Bevan but it just didn't work because
> Goodman is funny.
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Jun 27, 2011, at 5:31 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
> > >
> > > > I started this thread by stating that there was a sign up in the
> dome(s) stating
> > > > that you would lose your badge if you helped a saint. I heard
> recently that in
> > > > the office where you go to get your dome badge, there is a sign
> stating that it's
> > > > OK to visit saints, but not OK to help them in any way. Amma was
> just in
> > > > Iowa this weekend, and there was a good turnout.
> > >
> > > But not here in Fairfield, which is undoubtedly where
> > > her biggest audience is.
> > >
> > > Sal
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[RoryGoff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
>
> Sal,
> 
> My only recent disappointment, with this thread, has been your absence. I'm 
> now, 
> with your help, nearing fulfilment although I'm going to resist any sense of 
> oneness with anyone cause frankly, I just don't have time to respond to all 
> the 
> posts those feelings might create. I may be be sticking my neck out here, 
> we're 
> still in negotiations on his final package, book rights could be an issue, 
> but I 
> think I speak for MZ when I say anyone with as developed a sense of humour as 
> you is welcome on the "World Tour". You can consider the chopper a done deal 
> although we will have to speak about the tarot cards, don't forget we're 
> going 
> main stream here. Our demographic is the 99. (you know what I 
> mean) % the TMO has left behind.

 
* * Why not simply have the chopper drop the tarot cards? Two birds and all 
that.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[Bob Price]

Sal,

My only recent disappointment, with this thread, has been your absence. I'm 
now, 
with your help, nearing fulfilment although I'm going to resist any sense of 
oneness with anyone cause frankly, I just don't have time to respond to all the 
posts those feelings might create. I may be be sticking my neck out here, we're 
still in negotiations on his final package, book rights could be an issue, but 
I 
think I speak for MZ when I say anyone with as developed a sense of humour as 
you is welcome on the "World Tour". You can consider the chopper a done deal 
although we will have to speak about the tarot cards, don't forget we're going 
main stream here. Our demographic is the 99. (you know what I 
mean) % the TMO has left behind.

Best.




From: Sal Sunshine 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 6:51:12 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of 
Occam

On Jun 27, 2011, at 3:09 PM, maskedzebra wrote:

> I am, however, going to ask you to slow down on the tour preparations. That's 
> a 
>pretty big move for this willed introvert (once exuberant performer).

Never mind the tour, mz~~could you just do another
helicopter drop?  That was one of the coolest sights
I've ever seen on the MUM campus.  That was real,
man.  It's definitely high time for a repeat.

> But if you can guarantee the cash up front, I might consider it.

Now you're talking like a true TMer!  Forget mantras, 
we *know* what's important, right?

> But in the meantime let me do a Novena on it, and then pay for a Yagya to be 
>down by the sages in India. I'll put in a fast and some silence while I'm at 
>it. 
>And, I promise you,  DO MY PROGRAM.

Aren't you forgetting the tarot cards and salt over
the shoulder?

> I've getting a little nervous that well before the week is out, I will find 
>myself approaching twelve o'clock (50 posts), and therefore will leave many of 
>my dear readers frustrated—and imperilled by their ignorance.

mz, that is thoughtful of you to consider your many
devoted readers here~~but, as the song says, if
you post out early, well...WE WILL SURVIVE.


> (Yes, you are right: this means I WILL continue to post.

Whew.

> Reason? It's that CurtisDeltaBlues fella—if he weren't on this blog I never 
>even would have begun to post—let alone be persuaded to stay with it for a 
>while 
>longer. I like that guy, even though I only know him from his posts—and his 
>music via video.)

Curtis is the real deal.

> But, who knows why? you have decided to put the welcome mat out for me, and 
>believe me, I appreciate it. I can keep my stiletto in my pocket (only used 
>for 
>defensive purposes of course) when writing to you. No tricky stick-handling—or 
>hard body-checks.
> 
> Yeah, that Maharishi guy, he was SOMETHING ELSE. No one yet has defined him 
> in 
>terms of how he appears in eternity (you know, at the level of the actual: 
>where 
>things get DONE in creation)—like what kind of greeting he got when he went 
>through his dying. No doubt about it, the shrewdest, most hardball, brilliant 
>(in more than an intellectual sense), slyly egotistical, beautiful, seductive 
>human being for two thousand years.

Yes, MMY and Jesus~~sooner or later their 
names will almost certainly become interchangeable.


> And more stage presence than anyone other than Jesus. But for all this, not a 
>good man, I think. Not, then, loved by God (wherever he is, whatever he's 
>doing). But so far, it seems, my life has pretty much been all about him—and 
>then getting the hate on for him. The best proof of God it seems to me (in 
>this 
>era at least: since we were born) is the very fact of the existence of someone 
>like Maharishi, for, like no one else could—or ever did since Christ—he made 
>you 
>feel: "This is It!"—he gave me (and you I must believe)—at least in the 
>beginning—the best version of what could be the TRUTH—measured by 
>EXPERIENCE—that was possible. Once he went down (sort of disgracing himself at 
>the end: becoming slightly mad and touched) then there was no one. All of us 
>former initiators are living in the negative or ambivalent (or for some, 
>positive) legacy of Maharishi. We can't help it. It sets us apart from the 
>rest 
>of humanity. A different form I guess of the mark of the beast. To try on 
>another metaphor.
> 
> About that Turq guy, i am sure he'll put me on my guard soon enough, but 
> given 
>your tacit warning, I think he must be doing a rope-a-dope, because but so far 
>at least, I don't get the feeling he is about to surprise me with a fast 
>uppercut. No blows landed so far. But, based upon your implicit estimation of 
>him, I'll be watching for the knock-out punch.

Turq is the real deal too~~he always saves his best
for when you're not looking for it.  

Sal





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge

[Tom Pall]

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Denise Evans  wrote:

>
>
> I don't pretend to understandbut how does one "help" a saint
> anyhowexcept for giving $$ perhaps to organization.
>
> How did your visit to Amma go?
>
> -
>

It depends on the Saint.  SSRS requires no help.  There's no orchestration.
  Saint Amma, OTOH, requires lots of logistics to handle the multitude,
change money in the temple, run the store, help out at initiations, cook and
serve food, herd the multitude, get people in position then out of position
as quickly as possible for their hug and Ma, Ma.   Gotta shine her silver
crown and all that stuff.   Heck, a visit from Amma makes a visit from the
Pope look tame and uneventful.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[Bob Price]

Ravi,

I was wondering when you would get around to me. Actually I was hoping you 
missed it because I've been feeling a bit ashamed of myself. The Golden Rule is 
about all I have left and I completely blew it with what can only be viewed as 
a 
 cheap shot. Sorry for that, sincerely, and thank you for not forgetting me. Oh 
and I almost forgot. Thank you for figuring out my real name. Bobby, as in up 
and down. I'm guessing that you've probably considered the possibility that MZ 
and I could be the same poster. Although if we head down that road possibly MZ 
is an invention of Turq, which he may have done out of shear boredom. Isn't 
there a vedic creation myth that says thats what all the creation is? The big 
guy got bored? Well one thing we know for sure is that I can't write nearly as 
well as those other two manifestations, or at least punctuate. Anyway I love 
you 
man and I'm glad you're here both on the post and in this crazy old creation of 
MZ's. Om Shanti bro.




From: Ravi Yogi 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 12:20:10 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
>
> MZ,
> 
> snip Bobby's lurkage.
>

> Please don't take too long a breather 
> cause heaven forbid Ravi may go back on his meds and from previous experience 
> that can get messy. 
> 

Bravo Bobby - usually people have attributed my behavior to being off the meds, 
you have really carved a new chapter by attributing my behavior to being "on 
the 
meds". May be people on the "Ravi-should-be-on-meds" bandwagon should now try 
your new tactic.

Tom, Vaj, Joey (wonder what happened to him, hope he is still alive), Barry, we 
are turning back, let's all follow Bobby now. But wait - how is it all going to 
work out? So they can't make fun of me anymore - well I will let you guys 
figure 
it out.



 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[Denise Evans]

Well, I do not pretend to have achieved the simplicity of this goal...so 
perhaps an "existential leap" is required...I have been focused on observing my 
interactions with the rest of the world and slowing my reactions of late.  
It is true that I have been reading (to much amusement) many of the posts on 
this site and I must say that, in some threads, it seems there is much 
discussion that is mired in debating the semantics of choice for the respective 
commenters - it reminds me that our brain/ego tends to overcomplicate in its 
desire to be recognized and then the core message is lost in the distraction of 
the words.
Did you visit Amma this year in Iowa and what did you come away with?


--- On Mon, 6/27/11, Ravi Yogi  wrote:

From: Ravi Yogi 
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 7:51 PM















 
 



  



  
  
  



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans  wrote:
>
> Snip:  "Enlightenment is just being oneself, a state of absolute self-love 
> (narcissism as Barry would say) that then extends outwards, the unique 
> expression of divine, the divine admiring its own creation in its unique 
> limited localized manifestation and then all individuals are part of this 
> whole. "
> So, enlightenment is "self-love" extended to others.  (True self-love is not 
> narcissism - narcissism is based on development of a false self to cover up 
> and protect one's real self).  
> Loving self, others, and living in the moment.  Doesn't seem too complicated.
> 
Yes indeed doesn't seem too complicated Denise but it really requires an 
existential leap to reach this simple utterly relaxed state, at least for me.
I realized I had collected so much neurosis, from the society, that I need to 
be a millionaire with a million dollar wife, million dollar kids and a million 
dollar car and house to be happy. That I needed to be a model citizen, a model 
parent, a model child, that I needed to help someone, help suffering people in 
Sudan, that I had to be a Gandhi, had to be a Teresa, that I had to million 
things in order to feel happy.
To achieve this state, this state where you don't need to do anything, you 
don't owe anyone anything, to feel that every moment the existence is in a 
blissful orgasm with you, that the existence is somehow incomplete with you, 
this state truly requires an existential leap.







 





 



  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" 
wrote:
>
> "Battle Of The Saints". C'mon someone HAS to make that movie!

Already casting it in my head. So far I've got Samuel
L. Jackson playing Maharishi and Margo Martindale (from
"Dexter" and "Justified") playing Amma. I considered
John Goodman for Bevan but it just didn't work because
Goodman is funny.

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
wrote:
> >
> > On Jun 27, 2011, at 5:31 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
> >
> > > I started this thread by stating that there was a sign up in the
dome(s) stating
> > > that you would lose your badge if you helped a saint. I heard
recently that in
> > > the office where you go to get your dome badge, there is a sign
stating that it's
> > > OK to visit saints, but not OK to help them in any way. Amma was
just in
> > > Iowa this weekend, and there was a good turnout.
> >
> > But not here in Fairfield, which is undoubtedly where
> > her biggest audience is.
> >
> > Sal
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge

[whynotnow7]

"Battle Of The Saints". C'mon someone HAS to make that movie!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
>
> On Jun 27, 2011, at 5:31 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
> 
> I started this thread by stating that there was a sign up in the dome(s) 
> stating that you would lose your badge if you helped a saint. I heard 
> recently that in the office where you go to get your dome badge, there is a 
> sign stating that it's OK to visit saints, but not OK to help them in any 
> way. Amma was just in Iowa this weekend, and there was a good turnout. >>
> 
> But not here in Fairfield, which is undoubtedly where
> her biggest audience is.
> 
> Sal
>

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge

[Denise Evans]

I don't pretend to understandbut how does one "help" a saint 
anyhowexcept for giving $$ perhaps to organization.
How did your visit to Amma go?  

--- On Mon, 6/27/11, Rick Archer  wrote:

From: Rick Archer 
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 3:31 PM















 
 



  



  
  
  I started this thread by stating that there was a sign up in the dome(s) 
stating that you would lose your badge if you helped a saint. I heard recently 
that in the office where you go to get your dome badge, there is a sign stating 
that it’s OK to visit saints, but not OK to help them in any way. Amma was just 
in Iowa this weekend, and there was a good turnout. 


 





 



  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Movie Review

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > OK, here's a rare Turq review of a film that isn't a 
> > horror/scifi/comedy gem like "Paul" or "Tucker & Dale 
> > vs Evil." It's not an arthouse classic like "In Bruges"
> > or "Doubt" and it's not an undiscovered masterpiece that 
> > nobody has heard of before. The film, in fact, is embar-
> > rassingly mainstream. It's done $147 mil in box office 
> > so far, gotten a 3-1/2 star review from Roger Ebert, and 
> > scored 90% on the Rotten Tomatoes 'Tomatometer.' Even more 
> > of a surprise to those who portray me as a misogynist, 
> > it's a chick flick. Go figure.
> > 
> > Why I loved it is that it's a brilliant chick flick, co-
> > written by and starring Kristen Wiig. I haven't lived in
> > the US for some time and thus don't watch Saturday Night
> > Live, so I didn't really know her from that show. I saw
> > her in "Paul" and loved her low-key but hilarious perform-
> > ance in that movie so much that when I saw her name in 
> > the credits for this one I just had to see it. Good call. 
> > 
> > "Bridesmaids" rocks. It contains got some of the funniest 
> > dialog I've heard in years. While on some levels it's 
> > cringe-inducing to be a male fly on the wall and watch 
> > these women interact and hear them talk, I admit to more
> > than once laughing so hard that I sprayed the row in front 
> > of me with mouthfuls of popcorn. 
> > 
> > The basic plot is classic chick flick. Annie (Wiig), is
> > a bit on the skids -- dumped by her latest boyfriend, her
> > bakery business killed by the recession, and broke. So at
> > this point she gets asked by her best friend to be the
> > maid of honor at her wedding. Worse, she finds herself 
> > having to compete for this dubious honor with the groom's
> > boss's trophy wife Helen (Rose Byrne), who is already
> > known as the best party and wedding organizer in town.
> > 
> > Sound excruciating yet, guys? :-) It's not. If it's 
> > starting to sound like a Judd Apatow "guy flick" gone bad 
> > because some studio flunky misread the script and cast it
> > with women instead of men...well, he's the producer. There 
> > is some seriously funny stuff in "Bridesmaids," stuff that 
> > way transcends gender. Almost. The ending is kinda more
> > chick flick than I wanted, but it was all worth it for
> > the popcorn-spewing laughter moments.
> 
> Thanks for the review, Turq; I'll check it out. (And 
> for the cautionary note not to sit in front of you at 
> a comedy if you're eating popcorn. A whole new form 
> of golden shower.)

The folks in front of me were just lucky I hadn't
stopped for Brazilian food before the movie. You
won't get this until you see the flick. :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Movie Review

[RoryGoff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> OK, here's a rare Turq review of a film that isn't a 
> horror/scifi/comedy gem like "Paul" or "Tucker & Dale 
> vs Evil." It's not an arthouse classic like "In Bruges"
> or "Doubt" and it's not an undiscovered masterpiece that 
> nobody has heard of before. The film, in fact, is embar-
> rassingly mainstream. It's done $147 mil in box office 
> so far, gotten a 3-1/2 star review from Roger Ebert, and 
> scored 90% on the Rotten Tomatoes 'Tomatometer.' Even more 
> of a surprise to those who portray me as a misogynist, 
> it's a chick flick. Go figure.
> 
> Why I loved it is that it's a brilliant chick flick, co-
> written by and starring Kristen Wiig. I haven't lived in
> the US for some time and thus don't watch Saturday Night
> Live, so I didn't really know her from that show. I saw
> her in "Paul" and loved her low-key but hilarious perform-
> ance in that movie so much that when I saw her name in 
> the credits for this one I just had to see it. Good call. 
> 
> "Bridesmaids" rocks. It contains got some of the funniest 
> dialog I've heard in years. While on some levels it's 
> cringe-inducing to be a male fly on the wall and watch 
> these women interact and hear them talk, I admit to more
> than once laughing so hard that I sprayed the row in front 
> of me with mouthfuls of popcorn. 
> 
> The basic plot is classic chick flick. Annie (Wiig), is
> a bit on the skids -- dumped by her latest boyfriend, her
> bakery business killed by the recession, and broke. So at
> this point she gets asked by her best friend to be the
> maid of honor at her wedding. Worse, she finds herself 
> having to compete for this dubious honor with the groom's
> boss's trophy wife Helen (Rose Byrne), who is already
> known as the best party and wedding organizer in town.
> 
> Sound excruciating yet, guys? :-) It's not. If it's 
> starting to sound like a Judd Apatow "guy flick" gone bad 
> because some studio flunky misread the script and cast it
> with women instead of men...well, he's the producer. There 
> is some seriously funny stuff in "Bridesmaids," stuff that 
> way transcends gender. Almost. The ending is kinda more
> chick flick than I wanted, but it was all worth it for
> the popcorn-spewing laughter moments.

Thanks for the review, Turq; I'll check it out. (And for the cautionary note 
not to sit in front of you at a comedy if you're eating popcorn. A whole new 
form of golden shower.)

[FairfieldLife] Movie Review

[turquoiseb]

OK, here's a rare Turq review of a film that isn't a 
horror/scifi/comedy gem like "Paul" or "Tucker & Dale 
vs Evil." It's not an arthouse classic like "In Bruges"
or "Doubt" and it's not an undiscovered masterpiece that 
nobody has heard of before. The film, in fact, is embar-
rassingly mainstream. It's done $147 mil in box office 
so far, gotten a 3-1/2 star review from Roger Ebert, and 
scored 90% on the Rotten Tomatoes 'Tomatometer.' Even more 
of a surprise to those who portray me as a misogynist, 
it's a chick flick. Go figure.

Why I loved it is that it's a brilliant chick flick, co-
written by and starring Kristen Wiig. I haven't lived in
the US for some time and thus don't watch Saturday Night
Live, so I didn't really know her from that show. I saw
her in "Paul" and loved her low-key but hilarious perform-
ance in that movie so much that when I saw her name in 
the credits for this one I just had to see it. Good call. 

"Bridesmaids" rocks. It contains got some of the funniest 
dialog I've heard in years. While on some levels it's 
cringe-inducing to be a male fly on the wall and watch 
these women interact and hear them talk, I admit to more
than once laughing so hard that I sprayed the row in front 
of me with mouthfuls of popcorn. 

The basic plot is classic chick flick. Annie (Wiig), is
a bit on the skids -- dumped by her latest boyfriend, her
bakery business killed by the recession, and broke. So at
this point she gets asked by her best friend to be the
maid of honor at her wedding. Worse, she finds herself 
having to compete for this dubious honor with the groom's
boss's trophy wife Helen (Rose Byrne), who is already
known as the best party and wedding organizer in town.

Sound excruciating yet, guys? :-) It's not. If it's 
starting to sound like a Judd Apatow "guy flick" gone bad 
because some studio flunky misread the script and cast it
with women instead of men...well, he's the producer. There 
is some seriously funny stuff in "Bridesmaids," stuff that 
way transcends gender. Almost. The ending is kinda more
chick flick than I wanted, but it was all worth it for
the popcorn-spewing laughter moments.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Circus begins

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "richardjwilliamstexas"  
wrote:
> 
> authfriend:
> > More to read about Bachmann:
> >
> OMG - another gaffe by a politician!!!

As Willytex knows, the quote above did not refer to her
gaffe (in fact, I said of it, "But that's relatively
trivial").

What the quote referred to was an article about her
appalling record of nontrivial falsehoods. Money quote:

"Examining 24 of her statements, Politifact.com, the Pulitzer
Prize-winning fact-checking service of the St. Petersburg
(Fla.) Times, found just one to be fully true and 17 to be
false (seven of them "pants on fire" false). No other
Republican candidate whose statements have been vigorously
vetted matched that record of inaccuracy."

http://old.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110628/ap_on_el_ge/us_bachmann_fact_check

http://tinyurl.com/3qd24kt

It's hard to tell whether Bachmann is just exceedingly
poorly informed, or a chronic liar.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jun 27, 2011, at 5:31 PM, Rick Archer wrote:

I started this thread by stating that there was a sign up in the dome(s) 
stating that you would lose your badge if you helped a saint. I heard recently 
that in the office where you go to get your dome badge, there is a sign stating 
that it’s OK to visit saints, but not OK to help them in any way. Amma was just 
in Iowa this weekend, and there was a good turnout. >>

But not here in Fairfield, which is undoubtedly where
her biggest audience is.

Sal

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jun 27, 2011, at 3:09 PM, maskedzebra wrote:

> I am, however, going to ask you to slow down on the tour preparations. That's 
> a pretty big move for this willed introvert (once exuberant performer).

Never mind the tour, mz~~could you just do another
helicopter drop?  That was one of the coolest sights
I've ever seen on the MUM campus.  That was real,
man.  It's definitely high time for a repeat.

> But if you can guarantee the cash up front, I might consider it.

Now you're talking like a true TMer!  Forget mantras, 
we *know* what's important, right?

> But in the meantime let me do a Novena on it, and then pay for a Yagya to be 
> down by the sages in India. I'll put in a fast and some silence while I'm at 
> it. And, I promise you,  DO MY PROGRAM.

Aren't you forgetting the tarot cards and salt over
the shoulder?

> I've getting a little nervous that well before the week is out, I will find 
> myself approaching twelve o'clock (50 posts), and therefore will leave many 
> of my dear readers frustrated—and imperilled by their ignorance.

mz, that is thoughtful of you to consider your many
devoted readers here~~but, as the song says, if
you post out early, well...WE WILL SURVIVE.


> (Yes, you are right: this means I WILL continue to post.

Whew.

> Reason? It's that CurtisDeltaBlues fella—if he weren't on this blog I never 
> even would have begun to post—let alone be persuaded to stay with it for a 
> while longer. I like that guy, even though I only know him from his posts—and 
> his music via video.)

Curtis is the real deal.

> But, who knows why? you have decided to put the welcome mat out for me, and 
> believe me, I appreciate it. I can keep my stiletto in my pocket (only used 
> for defensive purposes of course) when writing to you. No tricky 
> stick-handling—or hard body-checks.
> 
> Yeah, that Maharishi guy, he was SOMETHING ELSE. No one yet has defined him 
> in terms of how he appears in eternity (you know, at the level of the actual: 
> where things get DONE in creation)—like what kind of greeting he got when he 
> went through his dying. No doubt about it, the shrewdest, most hardball, 
> brilliant (in more than an intellectual sense), slyly egotistical, beautiful, 
> seductive human being for two thousand years.

Yes, MMY and Jesus~~sooner or later their 
names will almost certainly become interchangeable.


> And more stage presence than anyone other than Jesus. But for all this, not a 
> good man, I think. Not, then, loved by God (wherever he is, whatever he's 
> doing). But so far, it seems, my life has pretty much been all about him—and 
> then getting the hate on for him. The best proof of God it seems to me (in 
> this era at least: since we were born) is the very fact of the existence of 
> someone like Maharishi, for, like no one else could—or ever did since 
> Christ—he made you feel: "This is It!"—he gave me (and you I must believe)—at 
> least in the beginning—the best version of what could be the TRUTH—measured 
> by EXPERIENCE—that was possible. Once he went down (sort of disgracing 
> himself at the end: becoming slightly mad and touched) then there was no one. 
> All of us former initiators are living in the negative or ambivalent (or for 
> some, positive) legacy of Maharishi. We can't help it. It sets us apart from 
> the rest of humanity. A different form I guess of the mark of the beast. To 
> try on another metaphor.
> 
> About that Turq guy, i am sure he'll put me on my guard soon enough, but 
> given your tacit warning, I think he must be doing a rope-a-dope, because but 
> so far at least, I don't get the feeling he is about to surprise me with a 
> fast uppercut. No blows landed so far. But, based upon your implicit 
> estimation of him, I'll be watching for the knock-out punch.

Turq is the real deal too~~he always saves his best
for when you're not looking for it.  

Sal





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Circus begins

[richardjwilliamstexas]

authfriend:
> More to read about Bachmann:
>
OMG - another gaffe by a politician!!!

Let's see , there are what, "57" states in the 
federal union, right? LoL!

"A comrade of yours, Jared Monti, was the first 
person who I was able to award the Medal of Honor 
to who actually came back and wasn't receiving 
it posthumously..."

http://tinyurl.com/64ctlh8

"The American voter doesn't care about substance.  
All the American voter cares about is what 
somebody looks like on television and how they 
sound.  If they look good, they sound smart, 
that's all it takes to become president..."

http://tinyurl.com/6k7w94j
 
> http://old.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110628/ap_on_el_ge/us_bachmann_fact_check
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/3qd24kt
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71"  wrote:
> , no one much cares what
> > > a substitute teacher thinks about anything.
> >
> > Oooh nasty. I am not a sub tacher, but I work with a few. Like most of
> us, many have their own personal area of interest or passion. Some are
> downright interesting or creative, and use sub teaching to have a
> flexible life style so they can do other things than work. I have been
> stunned to hear some of the things they do in their free time - hike the
> App Trail, habitat for humnanity, big time bird watching, painting,
> major photography. Some are struggling mightily to get a bit of money so
> they can be at home when their kids are. Others are dealing with some
> personal fragility and don't want the responsibilitiy - at least for a
> few years - of their own classroom. Have a heart here, Barry.
> At the risk of being a ditto head.  I was wondering how long it would be
> before this snub surfaced.  No long it turns out.  Can you imagine, can
> you just imagine Barry making a similiar comment about a street
> musician? 

An obvious example of a derision-worthy occupation. I think we can all relate 
to your example.



 I didn't comment on it, cause I thought Barry was making a
> joke.  I hope he was.
> It's as if
> > > their legends-in-their-own-minds "celebrity" was
> > > completely dependent on associating themselves with
> > > another "celebrity."
> > >
> > Honestly, Barry, I think most people on this forum don't derive any
> sense of status or sheen from their days with MMY. And I don't get that
> just about anyone here feels they are a legend in their own mind. Maybe
> it is just that I don't consider them anything more special than typical
> - and if they do, that is their problem and really out of touch.
> I don't think there is anything that can disabuse Barry of this notion. 
> This is one of the foundations of his posting here.  Generally, it
> something that must be reiterated in some fashion twice or three times a
> day.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Children of the Night

[richardjwilliamstexas]

Vaj:
> I feel sorry for the children and the soldiers 
> and the cardiac patients they fool...
>
This deception must be vast, judging by the news
story in today's Telegraph! But, I'm beginning to
think that the research cited by Vaj is the faked
research, NOT the TM research mentioned in many 
peer-reviewed scientific journals. Go figure. 

In the news:

Transcendental meditation, the relaxation technique 
made famous by the Beatles, can cut heart attack and 
stroke death rates by up to 50%, new research has 
found. 

"The practice, which involves the continual repeating 
of a mantra, was found to reduce high blood pressure, 
cholesterol and thickening of the arteries. It is 
also protects against diabetes..." 

Full story:

'Meditation can cut heart attacks by as much as half'
By Richard Alleyne
The Telegraph, June 28, 2011
http://tinyurl.com/5uqqu39

[FairfieldLife] Re: So who is Jay Lathom? Is that a pseudonym?

[richardjwilliamstexas]

Tom Pall:
> ...an excerpt of a book by this Jay Lathom fellow.
>
"He was a sensory feast to behold, seated in the highest 
position in the room on his "throne" chair that was placed 
directly underneath what looked like the same unbrella 
that Guru Dev had sat under as Shankaracharya. The man
had a pure white halo that encircled his whole body..."

Read more:

Subject: Galaxy of Fire
From: Willytex
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: June 3, 2002
http://tinyurl.com/3hukkmh

[FairfieldLife] Re: So who is Jay Lathom? Is that a pseudonym?

[richardjwilliamstexas]

> > I stopped reading about spiritual/enlightenment 
> > matters after reading *Autobiography of a Yogi* 
> > and *Be Here Now*...
> >
Bhairitu:
> I hear ya.  I do like to read about people "journeys" 
> and missteps like the one guy who wandered off to 
> India as a teenager and learned all kinds of stuff 
> and came back and wrote a book about it...
>
"The book is an intriguing portrait of what it 
was like to be right in the middle of it. The 
real gurus, the fake gurus, the zealous devotees, 
the drugs, the sex, the confusion. 

In India he studied with several famous teachers 
and when he gets back to America, Allen Ginsberg, 
Alan Watts (who was apparently a notorious drunk!) 
and Ram Dass, among others are constantly floating 
in and out of his life. It is also an interesting 
to see how he dealt with his unwanted fame..." 

Read more:

'It's Here Now (Are You?)'
By Bhagavan Das
Broadway, 1998 
Amazon reviews:
http://tinyurl.com/3q3puzo

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit in London!

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
>
> 
> http://u.bb/315657/sanskrit-in-london
>

1:45 (Rgveda I 1 6):

yad an.ga daashuSe tuam,
agne, bhadraM kariSyasi,
tavet tat satyam, an.giraH.

Note, that that girl pronounces
the final visarga (H) without 
the so called echo vowel (which would be
an.giraha[a])!

[FairfieldLife] Sanskrit in London!

[cardemaister]

http://u.bb/315657/sanskrit-in-london

[FairfieldLife] Ravit?

[cardemaister]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cll82zMWFzE

'Ravit' is plural for 'ravi' (trot)...

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> > Honestly, Barry, I think most people on this forum don't 
> > derive any sense of status or sheen from their days with 
> > MMY. And I don't get that just about anyone here feels 
> > they are a legend in their own mind. 

Haven't read much Nabby lately, eh?

> > Maybe it is just that I don't consider them anything more 
> > special than typical

Wise of you.

> > - and if they do, that is their problem and really out of 
> > touch.

My point exactly.

> I don't think there is anything that can disabuse Barry of 
> this notion. This is one of the foundations of his posting 
> here. Generally, it something that must be reiterated in 
> some fashion twice or three times a day.

Is one of the foundations of *your* posting here
imagining things that don't happen? I'd like you
to produce the "two or three times a day" posts
you claim. :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Naagaarjuna and OCD?

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "richardjwilliamstexas"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> > Naagaarjuna seems to repeat various forms derived 
> > from the root 'gam' (to go)..
> >
> Because MMK 2 is an investigation of 'Coming and Going'?
> 
> madhyamaka karika:
> http://www.stephenbatchelor.org/verses2.htm
>

Oh sh*t! Thanks for the link, Richard! ;D

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[Ravi Yogi]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
>
> MZ,
>
> snip Bobby's lurkage.>
> Please don't take too long a breather
> cause heaven forbid Ravi may go back on his meds and from previous
experience
> that can get messy.
>
Bravo Bobby - usually people have attributed my behavior to being off
the meds, you have really carved a new chapter by attributing my
behavior to being "on the meds". May be people on the
"Ravi-should-be-on-meds" bandwagon should now try your new tactic.
Tom, Vaj, Joey (wonder what happened to him, hope he is still alive),
Barry, we are turning back, let's all follow Bobby now. But wait - how
is it all going to work out? So they can't make fun of me anymore - well
I will let you guys figure it out.

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[Ravi Yogi]

Dear maskedzebra, I have refrained from commenting on your experiences
such as your battles with the Vedic Gods and such since these are your
metaphors for your battles, my comments on the rest below.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra  wrote:
>
> Try this thought experiment: if you had never heard of enlightenment:
it was a concept about which you were entirely ignorant (you didn't know
of its existence, either in your vocabulary or in your experience), and
you were describing what it was like to be Ravi Yogi RIGHT NOW, would
you be forced to—virginally, innocently—describe, and thus
discover, the necessity of, the reality of enlightenment (as classically
delineated in your own scriptures)? Would, then, enlightenment, as a
concept, as an empirical description of a certain style of functioning
of your consciousness and your self, be required in order for you to 1.
explain your experience to yourself; 2. explain your experience to
others?
>
First of all you have to let me know what my scriptures are and what is
their concept of enlightenment. Because all the scriptures I have read
didn't give any concept, just pointers to it. So I will answer your
question though it's not exactly well stated. I have been and continue
to be at a loss of words for my experience, but I, as in my rational
mind, does want to do both 1 & 2 - i.e. explain my experience to myself
and others, daily, my rational mind is constantly at it, every minute,
trying to explain it away. So the integration of the rational mind with
the experience is the metaphors I throw out - some my own, some well
repeated ones. I don't just parrot the well repeated ones but they mesh
well with what I feel.
> In my case, the violent shift from one state of consciousness to
another state of consciousness (although occurring seemingly smoothly
and irresistibly) was dramatic and extraordinary. And the attendant
powers and abilities immediately conferred upon one simultaneous with
effecting that transition from one state of consciousness into another,
never-before-experienced state of consciousness, COULD NOT EXIST INSIDE
ORDINARY WAKING STATE CONSCIOUSNESS.
>
> I, then, in making sense of what happened to me in Arosa in September
1976, WOULD [in this same thought experiment] REQUIRE a concept that
entailed, in its nascent articulation, a perfect and felicitous
conformity to what Maharishi defined as Unity Consciousness. So I would
not have had to have an idea of enlightenment, in order to
experientially validate its existence and its components for the first
time when it happened to me.
>
> My putative enlightenment occurred not with respect to everything I
had learned or knew about what enlightenment was before the moment I
became enlightened. It happened, and I recognized what it was that was
happening, based upon what I had learned from Maharishi.
>
> Now I don't say this same situation CANNOT apply to yourself, but I am
interested in whether it DOES so apply.
Mine - the first was dramatic and extraordinary too, but it has followed
with periods of integration and another dramatic transition with higher
intensity. But it doesn't seem to have the finality as you conclude
yours to be, mine has more been like a rise and coast, another rise and
coast, more like an airplane ascending, I can't say I have reached the
destination.
Unlike yours my idea of enlightenment hasn't included dominating others,
besting others, or resulted or felt the need for an acknowledgement from
others or need to put in a predefined bucket or the need to show off as
a special state to be emulated by others.
I have to say you have been cheated by Maharishi or that you missed the
pun.
I loved the quote - "Ignorance has no beginning but an end whereas
Enlightenment has a beginning but no end". I don't know why your
experience could not exist in the ordinary waking state consciousness -
doesn't make any sense to me. Enlightenment is not opposed to the waking
state.
> Because if it does, then there is no such thing as enlightenment,
since if enlightenment has anything to do with a true state of
consciousness, it must represent reality accurately, and your critique
(as expressed here in this post) of my enlightenment is at variance
(obviously without your conscious knowledge of this) with reality. It is
indeed the evidence of the non-fit between your subjective experience
and the reality out of which you even have your individual
existence—and your capacity to form the very judgment you have in
this instance.
>
Doesn't make any sense to me - what are your definitions of "reality"
and "enlightenment" and why doesn't enlightenment represent "reality"
accurately?

> I have been told that after Rick Archer interviewed you about your
self-realized state, you said you were actually only giving a
mock-interview; that you were playing Rick for a fool (and I believe
there were unwanted consequences to this decision of yours to publicly
declare this). Well, I don't say in this instance you