[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis & Robin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > Jesus Judy. Please accept my apology for all the snarky > bullshit in my previous post. That's OK, the post of mine I assume you were responding to was pretty snarky too. In any case, yours hasn't shown up on the Web. That was one of the nicest > posts I have ever read and I take it to heart. Thanks. You're welcome. If only there were more of that sort of thing here. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > (Yahoo appears to have eaten my first send of this > > post.) > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > I believe that it is a rare bird who would enjoy wading > > > through this personal conversation with Robin. > > > > I guess I'm one of those birds, because I've been > > loving it. For me it's like watching one of the old > > cliff-hanger movie serials. When I finish reading > > one of the posts, I'm thinking, Wow, how is > > Curtis/Robin going to deal with *this*? I'm > > practically on the edge of my seat waiting to find > > out. > > > > And then when the response gets posted, I'm cheering > > how it dealt with the previous post and wondering how > > the other guy is possibly going to produce a good > > comeback. The two of them keep out-thinking each other, > > as well as illuminating their own POVs. It's really > > a superbly executed and fascinating dialectic, the > > best we've seen here in a long while, because both > > of them have the intestinal fortitude to actually > > *engage* with each other.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Israel wants to pick a fight
They could very well start the Armageddon since there are many Christian Americans who believe in this prophecy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > Seems those crazy people over in Israel who believe the magic man in the > sky has given them some magic land all for themselves want to pick a > fight with their neighbor Iran. Either that or they want to distract > the world from a pending class war. > http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/02/in-israel-speculation-over-strike-on-iran-grows/ > > No US lives for Israel! >
[FairfieldLife] #5# Think About This... Spiritual treasures
Think About This... Spiritual treasures "But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal" (Matthew 6:20). Have we kept spiritual treasures, that fill us of happiness and remain for ever, or material, that, when disappear, carry our happiness? Paulo Barbosa tprob...@terra.com.br
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis & Robin
Dear Steve, I receive your thanks with much appreciation. As you will have guessed, I am putting all of myself into those postso, in a sense, if you don't like the posts, you probably won't like me. To get a review like this oneright after the delightful piece by raunchydogmakes Canada seem all the livelier. No, it means something that there are persons who actually read through those long postsand insist the process is worth it. This just might even add a few years to my life, after that expatriate Holland guy threw his shoe at me. George was more surprised, however, than I was. And I take notice of those words: Intriguing and enlightening. And I must say I am more inclined to go along with this adjudication than the one from Amsterdam. You see, more of the feeling of the person that you are comes through in this than the real feeling of Holland guy comes through his anti-Robin postshis true feelings come to the fore in his loyalty to Curtismy dialectic opponent. Thanks, Steve. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" wrote: > > > Ditto on that. Sending my thanks to both of them for an intriguing and > enlightening discussion. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" > wrote: > > I've been quietly lurking, reading most of Curtis and Robin's posts. > It's a lot to wade through but it's worth the effort. Their conversation > invites me to get in synch with their thought processes and experience > the unfolding of their deeply felt, yet, uniquely intellectual > approaches to reality. The brain power between them could light up a > city. > > > > The only sport my Dad enjoyed watching on TV was boxing, so very early > on I learned to cheer evenly matched opponents. Busker Boy Curtis in > Boxer-Blue shorts vrs. Fancy Pants Robin in Cardinal Red pantaloons are > evenly matched heavy weights. Jabs, hooks, one-two punches, he's up, > he's down and so far it's a draw! Thanks for tickets to ring-side, guys. > Ding! > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: "...no evidence for consciousness exists in the physical world"
It doesn't appear he has reflected on the subject he's writing about. If he did, he would have found the contradictions of what he's saying. IOW, if there was no evidence of consciousness, then why does he write about the subject? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu" wrote: > > Sam Harris on the Mystery of Consciousness I and II from > http://www.samharris.org > > Harris distinguishes between "underlying consciousness" and the things > entities are conscious of, but seems to skirt around making definitive > conclusions as to what consciousness "is" - relative consciousness of course. > Harris briefly ventured into the realm of mystical Consciousness in a > previous book, but has backtracked from that venture, leaving anything out > related to "Pure Consciousness", mysticism, Buddhism, etc. > ... > Note that in part I Harris states that there's no evidence for consciousness > in the physical world (and by implication, any known world since Harris is a > materialist neurophysicist). He completely avoids the question of an > afterlife. > > "The problem, however, is that no evidence for consciousness exists in the > physical world.[6] Physical events are simply mute as to whether it is "like > something" to be what they are. The only thing in this universe that attests > to the existence of consciousness is consciousness itself; the only clue to > subjectivity, as such, is subjectivity. Absolutely nothing about a brain, > when surveyed as a physical system, suggests that it is a locus of > experience. Were we not already brimming with consciousness ourselves, we > would find no evidence of it in the physical universenor would we have any > notion of the many experiential states that it gives rise to. The painfulness > of pain, for instance, puts in an appearance only in consciousness. And no > description of C-fibers or pain-avoiding behavior will bring the subjective > reality into view." >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis & Robin
Re: Conversation between Curtis & Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > > I believe that it is a rare bird who would enjoy wading > > through this personal conversation with Robin. > > I guess I'm one of those birds, because I've been > loving it. For me it's like watching one of the old > movie serials. When I finish reading one of the > posts, I'm thinking, Wow, how is Curtis/Robin going > to deal with *this*? I'm practically on the edge of > my seat waiting to find out. > > And then when the response gets posted, I'm cheering > how it dealt with the previous post and wondering how > the other guy is possibly going to produce a good > comeback. The two of them keep out-thinking each other, > as well as illuminating their own POVs. It's really > a superbly executed and fascinating dialectic, the > best we've seen here in a long while, because both > of them have the intestinal fortitude to actually > *engage* with each other. > I've been quietly lurking, reading most of Curtis and Robin's posts. It's a lot to wade through but it's worth the effort. Their conversation invites me to get in synch with their thought processes and experience the unfolding of their deeply felt, yet, uniquely intellectual approaches to reality. The brain power between them could light up a city. The only sport my Dad enjoyed watching on TV was boxing, so very early on I learned to cheer evenly matched opponents. Busker Boy Curtis in Boxer-Blue shorts vrs. Fancy Pants Robin in Cardinal Red pantaloons are evenly matched heavy weights. Jabs, hooks, one-two punches, he's up, he's down and so far it's a draw! Thanks for tickets to ring-side, guys. Ding! Dear raunchydog, I have to read my bad reviews from The Netherlands (and, apparently from elsewhere too, since that scathing critic insists that quietly others in the audience are also boredor find the performance of one of the actors sexually ambiguous). I have to admit, then, to receive an ovation like this one is encouraging, and more than just a consolation. I suppose Socrates did not philosophize for the applause, but I am no Socrates, but a human being who, after receiving the harshest of judgments, feels soothed and happyand almost vindicatedby all that you say here. Not only this:I can't resist making this point: my critics must forgive mebut I find the manner of your expressing your appreciation for the Robin-Curtis dialogues (contentious as they are) more entertaining and refreshing than how my primary critic has managed to persuade me of his disgust and revulsion [Curtis says his friend would rather sit on a hot Hibachi than read one of those Curtis-Robin conversations.]. AndI need to score a point herethe fact that you can be inspired to create an original and piquant post like this suggests there might be more reason to have a favourable view of those dialogues than to have an unfavourable one. Which is whyto follow this principle to its endChartres Cathedral looks more impressive than the Ryugyong Hotel in North Korea. The Virgin Mary inspires a somewhat different quality of architecture than does Karl Marx. (And you see I am punching away at Curtis even here: since notwithstanding the inspirational absence of the Mother of Godsince Monte CassinoI am yet standing in the tradition of Chartresas the singular theist; while Curtis shares the sentiments of the builders in Pyongyang, who, we must presume, worship the good Herr Marx. Not that the architecture of his prose is in any way inferior to my own: I think it probably the reverse.) Your description of the two boxers is not just witty but even insightful. Busker Curtis in Boxer-Blue shorts vrs Fancy Pants Robin in Cardinal Red pantaloons. Great fun reading this, raunchydog. And I thank you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > On 11/02/2011 06:19 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > >> Interesting article on Steve Jobs dietary quirks (not too unlike some > >> quirks people have here) and comments by nutritional experts: > >> http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/02/8598251-the-strange-eating-habits-of-steve-jobs > >> > > Lots and lots of speculation going on. The fruitarians are saying he'd have > > never gotten cancer if only he'd stuck to fruitarianism all along. The > > low-carbers think he should have ditched all the cancer-food carbs and > > switched to a ketogenic diet. I'd side with the ketogenic diet over > > fruitarianism, but I really think he should have jumped at the chance to > > have that rare, survivable fucker cut out of his body early, when he had > > the chance. > > > > A friend of mine in FF was diagnosed with ovarian cancer early enough that > > she would have likely survived had she gotten surgery. But, she opted for a > > yearlong death spiral, doing all sorts of new-age alternative nonsense. > > Honestly, I think she really just wanted outta here. > > My brother was never into anything new age but came down with colon > cancer at age 52. The last few months he was into trying anything but I > knew it was too late. Now if he had just eaten the diet he was eating > in his last few months he may have never gotten cancer in the first place. > It is not only diet that is causing cancer. Lot's of vegetarians die of cancer. In the seventies, I remember science teachers saying cancers would be creeping up in the next twenty years or later because of all the nuclear testings and bombs dropped, etc. I buy this story before the belief that diet causes cancer. Although, I do believe relief can be had for any ailment with a healthy diet and make life feel a bit better. Diet takes the blame out of all the government testings, thereby liability is passed to the individual exposed to all the crap. Another theory is our lives have changed so much due to work, environment, moving around etc., that the body is trying to adapt by evolving at an accelerated rate (evolution gone haywire), increasing the incidences of cancer tumors, (they do grow their own supply of veins). Somewhere, there is an article on the net supporting the later and it made sense. it is not a mystery black mass like in one of the Hollywood movies I saw. lol... I can't find it right now.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > On 11/02/2011 06:19 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > >> Interesting article on Steve Jobs dietary quirks (not too unlike some > >> quirks people have here) and comments by nutritional experts: > >> http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/02/8598251-the-strange-eating-habits-of-steve-jobs > >> > > Lots and lots of speculation going on. The fruitarians are saying he'd have > > never gotten cancer if only he'd stuck to fruitarianism all along. The > > low-carbers think he should have ditched all the cancer-food carbs and > > switched to a ketogenic diet. I'd side with the ketogenic diet over > > fruitarianism, but I really think he should have jumped at the chance to > > have that rare, survivable fucker cut out of his body early, when he had > > the chance. > > > > A friend of mine in FF was diagnosed with ovarian cancer early enough that > > she would have likely survived had she gotten surgery. But, she opted for a > > yearlong death spiral, doing all sorts of new-age alternative nonsense. > > Honestly, I think she really just wanted outta here. > > My brother was never into anything new age but came down with colon > cancer at age 52. The last few months he was into trying anything but I > knew it was too late. Now if he had just eaten the diet he was eating > in his last few months he may have never gotten cancer in the first place. >
[FairfieldLife] Dream #186 Block Party
http://www.marionpeck.com/paintings/2008-2009/dream_186_block_party.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis & Robin
Ditto on that. Sending my thanks to both of them for an intriguing and enlightening discussion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote: > I've been quietly lurking, reading most of Curtis and Robin's posts. It's a lot to wade through but it's worth the effort. Their conversation invites me to get in synch with their thought processes and experience the unfolding of their deeply felt, yet, uniquely intellectual approaches to reality. The brain power between them could light up a city. > > The only sport my Dad enjoyed watching on TV was boxing, so very early on I learned to cheer evenly matched opponents. Busker Boy Curtis in Boxer-Blue shorts vrs. Fancy Pants Robin in Cardinal Red pantaloons are evenly matched heavy weights. Jabs, hooks, one-two punches, he's up, he's down and so far it's a draw! Thanks for tickets to ring-side, guys. Ding! >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis & Robin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > I believe that it is a rare bird who would enjoy wading > > through this personal conversation with Robin. > > I guess I'm one of those birds, because I've been > loving it. For me it's like watching one of the old > movie serials. When I finish reading one of the > posts, I'm thinking, Wow, how is Curtis/Robin going > to deal with *this*? I'm practically on the edge of > my seat waiting to find out. > > And then when the response gets posted, I'm cheering > how it dealt with the previous post and wondering how > the other guy is possibly going to produce a good > comeback. The two of them keep out-thinking each other, > as well as illuminating their own POVs. It's really > a superbly executed and fascinating dialectic, the > best we've seen here in a long while, because both > of them have the intestinal fortitude to actually > *engage* with each other. > I've been quietly lurking, reading most of Curtis and Robin's posts. It's a lot to wade through but it's worth the effort. Their conversation invites me to get in synch with their thought processes and experience the unfolding of their deeply felt, yet, uniquely intellectual approaches to reality. The brain power between them could light up a city. The only sport my Dad enjoyed watching on TV was boxing, so very early on I learned to cheer evenly matched opponents. Busker Boy Curtis in Boxer-Blue shorts vrs. Fancy Pants Robin in Cardinal Red pantaloons are evenly matched heavy weights. Jabs, hooks, one-two punches, he's up, he's down and so far it's a draw! Thanks for tickets to ring-side, guys. Ding!
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Day That TMers Became Officially Crazy
Did not live there. My dad and uncle bought a condominium from the blue prints in Snowmass Villiage around 1971 or '72, and we would go out there once a winter to ski, and I would go out during the summer for various activities. We still own it today, but don't utilize as much, and because of the economy, the rentals haven't really been offsetting the annual assessments, so we are thinking about selling it.-that is, my sisters and I. I had many fun times there, especially in the summer. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote: > > > You lived in Snowmass / Aspen? What years? > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@ wrote: > > > > > > Did my SCI at Cobb Mountain the summer or fall of '74. I remember > > sticking my thumb out at the intersection of Brush Creek Rd. and Hwy. 82 > > in Snowmass Colorado and hitchhiking to Cobb Mountain. Good times! > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 3:40 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com > > wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I worked on the Houston (Navasota, Grimes County) capital for > > > > > room and board. And yes, shared an unheated cabin. Barhroom > > > > > was the bushes outside. Yes, it gets cold in Texas during the > > > > > Winter. Maharishi was absolutely right. The movement belongs > > > > > to those who move large quantities of cash across national > > > > > borders, undetected. > > > > > > > > I never went to any of the more modern TM hovels. > > > > I used to teach a lot of residence courses at > > > > Soboba (I think the name was) in southern CA, > > > > and attended many courses at Cobb Mountain in > > > > northern CA. The former didn't really have much > > > > personality, but the latter did. It had been > > > > some kind of camp or retreat facility before > > > > the TMO acquired it, and I found it charming, > > > > with its old clapboard cottages and rustic > > > > camp-era dining/meeting hall. Plus, the fact > > > > that most everyone was in a separate cottage > > > > made it easier to fool around on ATR courses. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > I attended many course at Cobb, including my ?flying? block. My flying > > > block had a lot of live wires. The cabins closest to the main > > buildings > > > were given to married, "senior" people. They brought with them the > > proper > > > mixings for martinis and had cocktail hour before time to do evening > > > program. I went back for many WPAs and the men often flew on what had > > > been the dance floor. That place had been a really hopping place for > > > Summers and especially the weekend. The dance floor was on springs, > > and > > > yes, in typical TMO style, Cobb Mountain had a reputation for lots of > > > alcohol flowing, lots of extramarital sex. Back to my flying block. We > > > had a fiddler from Boston. When our mommies and daddies went to bed we > > had > > > hoe downs outside the main buildings. A couple times we woke up the > > sidhi > > > administrators who told us to cut out the dancing and go to bed. > > > > > > Cobb Mountain was in typical decay and the cabins were drafty as heck. > > > And yes, we were within something like 1,500 feet of the tree line so > > it > > > got cold, even in Spring and Fall. > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blues
I remember the first time my son laughed. It was a belly laugh and it was while I was giving him a bath. I was moving the soap away from him and then towards him and for some reason it cracked him up. Fun moment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi wrote: > > Cute babies ..:-) > > On Nov 2, 2011, at 3:16 PM, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: > > > > > > > I agree with you; lets make them happy again---but we should be careful, they cry so easily. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=9F3dUbqtvdc > > > > > > From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... > > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 3:08:32 PM > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blues > > > > And I can understand why Curtis feels so protective of him :-). He's just being a protective parent though setting a bad example to other patents..LOL.. > > > > Now Vaj is another story, he is just a crook :-) > > > > On Nov 2, 2011, at 3:03 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: > > > > >Bob, > > > > > > > > >Sure he is..this message is typical of his. But I have looked at Barry's pictures on FB, he looks pretty naive and innocent. So he may be emotionally a child, come across as vicious, harsh and offensive but he seems pretty harmless. > > > > > > > > >I'm surprised at the naïveté of some of the TM'ers and I can see why they feel harmed by their involvement with cults and Gurus. > > > > > > > > >So I like having him here and making fun of him. > > > > > > > > > > > >On Nov 2, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>Ravi, > > >> > > >>Was this King Baby's farewell speech? > > >> > > >>That was easy. > > >> > > >> > > >>From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com > > >>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > >>Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 10:34:01 AM > > >>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blues > > >> > > >>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" curtisdeltablues@ wrote: > > >>> > > >>> BTW from now on, any missile Barry lobs your way is hereby > > >>> labeled a bang flag on a toy gun, and I will delight in > > >>> pointing our whether it causes you to get "freaked" about > > >>> it. But only to help you improve your skills understanding > > >>> other people's POV here. > > >> > > >>BTW from now on I doubt I will be lobbing any > > >>even "bang flag" missiles her way, or Robin's, > > >>or Bob's. I've done the "setup" for this week's > > >>experiment, and now they are free to react as > > >>they wish. Judy has only one more post this week > > >>in which to do so, so we'll see how attached she > > >>is to holding a grudge when she returns next week. > > >> > > >>It's been fun "chumming the waters" a little > > >>this week, but a kind of fun I will have less > > >>time for soon, so don't hope for more of it. > > >> > > >>When it comes to the people I have taken "bang > > >>flag" potshots at, I have either made my case, > > >>or I have not. Unlike them, I don't feel that > > >>repeating it ad infinitum is going to convince > > >>anyone of anything. They are free to continue > > >>to try to make any case against me they wish, > > >>if they'd like. As if -- if my assessment of > > >>them is correct -- they have any choice. :-) > > >> > > >>I really am hoping to "step away from the news- > > >>group" a little. As you've probably noticed, > > >>there is little said here that interests me > > >>intellectually all that much these days; I just > > >>can't identify with much of it. So I have (mea > > >>culpa) tried to fill the "interest gap" by > > >>perversely pushing a few easily-pushed buttons. > > >>But there's really no challenge even in that > > >>any more, since the buttons are SO easily > > >>pushed. Better I should do like the more > > >>sensible posters here and just lay low until > > >>and if something is said that I actually > > >>find interesting. > > >> > > >>Or not. We'll see... > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Day That TMers Became Officially Crazy
You lived in Snowmass / Aspen? What years? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" wrote: > > > Did my SCI at Cobb Mountain the summer or fall of '74. I remember > sticking my thumb out at the intersection of Brush Creek Rd. and Hwy. 82 > in Snowmass Colorado and hitchhiking to Cobb Mountain. Good times! > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall wrote: > > > > On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 3:40 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com > wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote: > > > > > > > > I worked on the Houston (Navasota, Grimes County) capital for > > > > room and board. And yes, shared an unheated cabin. Barhroom > > > > was the bushes outside. Yes, it gets cold in Texas during the > > > > Winter. Maharishi was absolutely right. The movement belongs > > > > to those who move large quantities of cash across national > > > > borders, undetected. > > > > > > I never went to any of the more modern TM hovels. > > > I used to teach a lot of residence courses at > > > Soboba (I think the name was) in southern CA, > > > and attended many courses at Cobb Mountain in > > > northern CA. The former didn't really have much > > > personality, but the latter did. It had been > > > some kind of camp or retreat facility before > > > the TMO acquired it, and I found it charming, > > > with its old clapboard cottages and rustic > > > camp-era dining/meeting hall. Plus, the fact > > > that most everyone was in a separate cottage > > > made it easier to fool around on ATR courses. :-) > > > > > > > > I attended many course at Cobb, including my ?flying? block. My flying > > block had a lot of live wires. The cabins closest to the main > buildings > > were given to married, "senior" people. They brought with them the > proper > > mixings for martinis and had cocktail hour before time to do evening > > program. I went back for many WPAs and the men often flew on what had > > been the dance floor. That place had been a really hopping place for > > Summers and especially the weekend. The dance floor was on springs, > and > > yes, in typical TMO style, Cobb Mountain had a reputation for lots of > > alcohol flowing, lots of extramarital sex. Back to my flying block. We > > had a fiddler from Boston. When our mommies and daddies went to bed we > had > > hoe downs outside the main buildings. A couple times we woke up the > sidhi > > administrators who told us to cut out the dancing and go to bed. > > > > Cobb Mountain was in typical decay and the cabins were drafty as heck. > > And yes, we were within something like 1,500 feet of the tree line so > it > > got cold, even in Spring and Fall. > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Merudanda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote: > > Thanks, Jim. It won't come to that. The auction house is satisfied with > what they have. I'd just like to secure a stronger letter for any potential > buyer if possible. Meru is the only person I've been able to find with > direct experience of part of the event. What is it, the third time you try to make Merud. make a statment for your benefit ? Perhaps you should respect his wishes for staying away from this business.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Day That TMers Became Officially Crazy
Did my SCI at Cobb Mountain the summer or fall of '74. I remember sticking my thumb out at the intersection of Brush Creek Rd. and Hwy. 82 in Snowmass Colorado and hitchhiking to Cobb Mountain. Good times! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 3:40 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote: > > > > > > I worked on the Houston (Navasota, Grimes County) capital for > > > room and board. And yes, shared an unheated cabin. Barhroom > > > was the bushes outside. Yes, it gets cold in Texas during the > > > Winter. Maharishi was absolutely right. The movement belongs > > > to those who move large quantities of cash across national > > > borders, undetected. > > > > I never went to any of the more modern TM hovels. > > I used to teach a lot of residence courses at > > Soboba (I think the name was) in southern CA, > > and attended many courses at Cobb Mountain in > > northern CA. The former didn't really have much > > personality, but the latter did. It had been > > some kind of camp or retreat facility before > > the TMO acquired it, and I found it charming, > > with its old clapboard cottages and rustic > > camp-era dining/meeting hall. Plus, the fact > > that most everyone was in a separate cottage > > made it easier to fool around on ATR courses. :-) > > > > > I attended many course at Cobb, including my ?flying? block. My flying > block had a lot of live wires. The cabins closest to the main buildings > were given to married, "senior" people. They brought with them the proper > mixings for martinis and had cocktail hour before time to do evening > program. I went back for many WPAs and the men often flew on what had > been the dance floor. That place had been a really hopping place for > Summers and especially the weekend. The dance floor was on springs, and > yes, in typical TMO style, Cobb Mountain had a reputation for lots of > alcohol flowing, lots of extramarital sex. Back to my flying block. We > had a fiddler from Boston. When our mommies and daddies went to bed we had > hoe downs outside the main buildings. A couple times we woke up the sidhi > administrators who told us to cut out the dancing and go to bed. > > Cobb Mountain was in typical decay and the cabins were drafty as heck. > And yes, we were within something like 1,500 feet of the tree line so it > got cold, even in Spring and Fall. >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks
On 11/02/2011 07:17 PM, tartbrain wrote: > And the quality control on Droid apps is kind of uneven. Some great apps, > lots of crap. Less so for i-touch apps, but I have some really crappy apple > apps too. There is no quality control on the Android Market. It is completely open. You just sign up for $25 and can upload anything ... almost. But like any "gold rush" there are a lot of people panning. Some are very clever and some are down right amateurs. The biggest problem is the market is so flooded (as is the iPhone market) that you can't sell an app for very much and most people just want free ones. As for viruses and trojans I don't understand why Google just doesn't scan every submission and alert the developer if they find something. The scan would take so little time and resources. Amazon tests the Android apps on their store before they are released. Selling them there costs $99 a year per developer (not app) though currently the first year is free. However their app store is only available in the US.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thousands March on Port of Oakland
Truthout has been providing updates for the Port of Oakland shutdown. Union leaders and management are against a strike, but many longshoremen called in sick today. They will form a picket line tonight. They believe other longshoremen will not cross the picket line. Stay tuned: http://www.truth-out.org/source-port-oakland-effectively-shut-down-solidarity-occupy-oakland-general-strike/1320253405 http://tinyurl.com/42mvd2l http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/11/occupy-oakland-thousands-of-protesters-rally-at-port.html http://tinyurl.com/3sr35ef --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > Quite a turn out over in Oakland. They are now arriving at the Port of > Oakland shutting it down. Not much police presence. Lots of families > coming out for the protest too. > http://www.livestream.com/occupyoakland > and > http://www.kron4.com/Default.aspx >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis & Robin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > I believe that it is a rare bird who would enjoy wading > through this personal conversation with Robin. I guess I'm one of those birds, because I've been loving it. For me it's like watching one of the old movie serials. When I finish reading one of the posts, I'm thinking, Wow, how is Curtis/Robin going to deal with *this*? I'm practically on the edge of my seat waiting to find out. And then when the response gets posted, I'm cheering how it dealt with the previous post and wondering how the other guy is possibly going to produce a good comeback. The two of them keep out-thinking each other, as well as illuminating their own POVs. It's really a superbly executed and fascinating dialectic, the best we've seen here in a long while, because both of them have the intestinal fortitude to actually *engage* with each other.
[FairfieldLife] Re: "...no evidence for consciousness exists in the physical world"
Right, precisely. The words Harris uses such as "compassion, awe, devotion, feelings of oneness, etc..." are very similar to those used by other materialists such as Hawking to explain what they mean by (the closest entity to): "God". Unfortunately, few of such people venture into "Transcendence" apart from such mood-making - although there are certainly many recorded cases (Cf. Bucke's "Cosmic Consciousness" and the works of William James); in which various feelings of "awe" may provide a bridge to "actual" Transcendence as TM'ers may experience IT as Gnosis. In other words, "feelings of Oneness", or Oceanic feelings (as Freud put it), may go along with Transcendence as in MMY's usage of the word, but may not. Certainly, people like Harris don't even get as far as Aristotle and Aquinas. They're having enough difficulity dealing with relative consciousness, let alone "Pure Consciousness". ... Unfortunately, such feelings are not necessarily The Self experientially, subjectively; and thus, materialists like Harris and Hawking offend nobody in their camp but fail to cross the bridge into the realm of Transcendental Awareness - either due to lack of direct experience or perhaps fear of offending people such as their PhD advisors. (Harris' latest book is a rehashed PhD thesis). Going against the grain of ignorance in one's Department can readily get one kicked out. Oh, the horror of being an Apostate! ... http://www.laluzdejesus.com/shows/2011/LaLuz_XXV_1/Jordan.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu" wrote: > > > > Sam Harris on the Mystery of Consciousness I and II from > > http://www.samharris.org > > > > Harris distinguishes between "underlying consciousness" and the things > > entities are conscious of, but seems to skirt around making definitive > > conclusions as to what consciousness "is" - relative consciousness of > > course. Harris briefly ventured into the realm of mystical Consciousness > > in a previous book, but has backtracked from that venture, leaving anything > > out related to "Pure Consciousness", mysticism, Buddhism, etc. > > ... > > Note that in part I Harris states that there's no evidence for > > consciousness in the physical world (and by implication, any known world > > since Harris is a materialist neurophysicist). He completely avoids the > > question of an afterlife. > > > > "The problem, however, is that no evidence for consciousness exists in the > > physical world.[6] Physical events are simply mute as to whether it is > > "like something" to be what they are. The only thing in this universe that > > attests to the existence of consciousness is consciousness itself; the only > > clue to subjectivity, as such, is subjectivity. Absolutely nothing about a > > brain, when surveyed as a physical system, suggests that it is a locus of > > experience. Were we not already brimming with consciousness ourselves, we > > would find no evidence of it in the physical universenor would we have any > > notion of the many experiential states that it gives rise to. The > > painfulness of pain, for instance, puts in an appearance only in > > consciousness. And no description of C-fibers or pain-avoiding behavior > > will bring the subjective reality into view." > > > > "Harris wishes to incorporate spirituality in the domain of human reason. He > draws inspiration from the practices of Eastern religion, in particular that > of meditation, as described principally by Hindu and Buddhist practitioners. > By paying close attention to moment-to-moment conscious experience, Harris > suggests, it is possible to make our sense of "self" vanish and thereby > uncover a new state of personal well-being. Moreover, Harris argues that such > states of mind should be subjected to formal scientific investigation, > without incorporating the myth and superstition that often accompanies > meditation in the religious context. "There is clearly no greater obstacle to > a truly empirical approach to spiritual experience than our current beliefs > about God," he writes.[14]p. 214. > > Despite his anti-religious sentiments, Sam Harris also claims that there is > "nothing irrational about seeking the states of mind that lie at the core of > many religions. Compassion, awe, devotion and feelings of oneness are surely > among the most valuable experiences a person can have."[10]" >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" wrote: > > > In other words, "heads I win, tails you lose". You got it! You are definitely large corporate CEO material (or congressman). That seems to be how you > frame interactions. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > curtisdeltablues@ wrote: > > > > > > BTW from now on, any missile Barry lobs your way is hereby > > > labeled a bang flag on a toy gun, and I will delight in > > > pointing our whether it causes you to get "freaked" about > > > it. But only to help you improve your skills understanding > > > other people's POV here. > > > > BTW from now on I doubt I will be lobbing any > > even "bang flag" missiles her way, or Robin's, > > or Bob's. I've done the "setup" for this week's > > experiment, and now they are free to react as > > they wish. Judy has only one more post this week > > in which to do so, so we'll see how attached she > > is to holding a grudge when she returns next week. > > > > It's been fun "chumming the waters" a little > > this week, but a kind of fun I will have less > > time for soon, so don't hope for more of it. > > > > When it comes to the people I have taken "bang > > flag" potshots at, I have either made my case, > > or I have not. Unlike them, I don't feel that > > repeating it ad infinitum is going to convince > > anyone of anything. They are free to continue > > to try to make any case against me they wish, > > if they'd like. As if -- if my assessment of > > them is correct -- they have any choice. :-) > > > > I really am hoping to "step away from the news- > > group" a little. As you've probably noticed, > > there is little said here that interests me > > intellectually all that much these days; I just > > can't identify with much of it. So I have (mea > > culpa) tried to fill the "interest gap" by > > perversely pushing a few easily-pushed buttons. > > But there's really no challenge even in that > > any more, since the buttons are SO easily > > pushed. Better I should do like the more > > sensible posters here and just lay low until > > and if something is said that I actually > > find interesting. > > > > Or not. We'll see... > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > On 11/02/2011 06:49 PM, tartbrain wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > >> On 11/02/2011 05:57 PM, tartbrain wrote: > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > On Nov 2, 2011, at 4:22 PM, Vaj wrote: > > > On Nov 2, 2011, at 5:08 PM, Bhairitu wrote: > > > >> Interesting article on Steve Jobs dietary quirks (not too unlike some > >> quirks people have here) and comments by nutritional experts: > >> http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/02/8598251-the-strange-eating-habits-of-steve-jobs > > Yeah, Jobs (whose strange health habits were fairly well known) reminds > > me a lot of TM Org and other New Ages faddists: weird diets, odd > > supplementation regimes, unusual approaches to disease and avoidance of > > modern mainstream healthcare. Often these are taken to obsessive and > > excessive levels: worrying about the latest-greatest supplements or > > dosing up on Indian or Chinese herbs to the point of heavy-metal > > overload. > It was the carrots-and-apples-for-weeks that > kind of got to me. Besides overload, really > boring. Probably explain his shifting > moods too. Not such a great idea being CEO of a > major company, holding meetings, etc while you're > basically starving yourself. Wonder what his > wife's take on all of that including his > unconventional ideas on his cancer treatment was. > > > Jobs clearly signed his own death certificate with the strange idea > > that he could force a rare form of pancreatic CA into remission through > > diet. Occasionally you'll see someone who gets lucky with such an > > approach, but almost invariably these types just suddenly disappear. > > Gone. > > > > The only good news in this case is now I may eventually get Flash on my > > iPad > Really? So then they should work with, say, > Amazon instant videos? That would be nice. > Just one more thing to thank Steve for. > > > Sal > >>> Presumably the $199 Amazon Kindle Fire will also play Amazon Instant > >>> Video. And for Prime members, much of that library is free. An offer > >>> I-tunes lacks (or have I missed that.) Amazon Instant Video recently > >>> acquired access to all PBS content. The expands their library a lot -- > >>> for quality programming (should one be inclined towards documentaries -- > >>> I like a lot of their stuff.) > >>> > >>> Way cheaper tablet, way cheaper content. And Droid Honeycomb looks great. > >> The Kindle Fire will be running Gingerbread Android 2.33 not Honeycomb. > > Thanks for the clarification. Can the fire be upgraded to Honeycomb, or is > > that a round peg in a square hole sort of thing? > > They should skip over 3.2 which is mainly for tablets and do Ice Cream > Sandwich or 4.0 which will be better for that device. The Fire only has > a 1024x600 screen. But I think the concept is good. My 10" Acer A500 > plays Netflix WI and movies from the Android Market at 1280x720p. I can > also plug it into the HDMI port of a TV and watch that way. I think wireless streaming from device to large monitors will become the norm soon. I have the Netgear thing built into my lap top, Sony Viao. Works pretty well, but is tempermental. Its kind of crazy. My lap top picks up a 20 MB wireless wifi connection, which then shoots the HD video wirelessly to my flatscreen, and I listen via wireless headphones. (Look ma, no hands.) > I suspect > that after sales lull for the Fire in the spring Amazon may make a video > app available for other tablets. MSpot is another movie service > available on Android but I haven't looked into it. > > > And the Fire, as I understand, is Amazons quick to market for Christmas > > season. The REAL tablet which they have spend most of their time and > > resources developing, and lots of consumer sessions, is coming in spring > > 2012. Hopefully that will run the latest version of Droid. > > The mobile scene is crazy. Google rushes stuff out and breaks things. > They feel they have to do that to stay ahead of the pack. They also > don't have much senior management and it shows. > And the quality control on Droid apps is kind of uneven. Some great apps, lots of crap. Less so for i-touch apps, but I have some really crappy apple apps too.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blues
In other words, "heads I win, tails you lose". That seems to be how you frame interactions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" curtisdeltablues@ wrote: > > > > BTW from now on, any missile Barry lobs your way is hereby > > labeled a bang flag on a toy gun, and I will delight in > > pointing our whether it causes you to get "freaked" about > > it. But only to help you improve your skills understanding > > other people's POV here. > > BTW from now on I doubt I will be lobbing any > even "bang flag" missiles her way, or Robin's, > or Bob's. I've done the "setup" for this week's > experiment, and now they are free to react as > they wish. Judy has only one more post this week > in which to do so, so we'll see how attached she > is to holding a grudge when she returns next week. > > It's been fun "chumming the waters" a little > this week, but a kind of fun I will have less > time for soon, so don't hope for more of it. > > When it comes to the people I have taken "bang > flag" potshots at, I have either made my case, > or I have not. Unlike them, I don't feel that > repeating it ad infinitum is going to convince > anyone of anything. They are free to continue > to try to make any case against me they wish, > if they'd like. As if -- if my assessment of > them is correct -- they have any choice. :-) > > I really am hoping to "step away from the news- > group" a little. As you've probably noticed, > there is little said here that interests me > intellectually all that much these days; I just > can't identify with much of it. So I have (mea > culpa) tried to fill the "interest gap" by > perversely pushing a few easily-pushed buttons. > But there's really no challenge even in that > any more, since the buttons are SO easily > pushed. Better I should do like the more > sensible posters here and just lay low until > and if something is said that I actually > find interesting. > > Or not. We'll see... >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > On Nov 2, 2011, at 7:57 PM, tartbrain wrote: > > >>> > >>> The only good news in this case is now I may eventually get Flash on my > >>> iPad > >> > >> Really? So then they should work with, say, > >> Amazon instant videos? That would be nice. > >> Just one more thing to thank Steve for. > >> > >> > >> Sal > > > > Presumably the $199 Amazon Kindle Fire will also play Amazon Instant Video. > > And for Prime members, much of that library is free. An offer I-tunes lacks > > (or have I missed that.) Amazon Instant Video recently acquired access to > > all PBS content. The expands their library a lot -- for quality programming > > (should one be inclined towards documentaries -- I like a lot of their > > stuff.) > > > > Way cheaper tablet, way cheaper content. And Droid Honeycomb looks great. > > Agreed. We have Prime, and love it, so will probably > get a Fire as well. But it sure would be nice to be > able to also use our iPad for that too. > Sal > Or maybe cutting board, ping pong paddle, dinner plate, square frisbee, snow scapper, paper weight, body armor, target practice. Actually, I am thinking about the ipad 3 when it emerges -- 1080p resolution as I understand -- and lots of other improvements (and curved glass case -- I would not pay extra for it, but sounds interesting. ) Or Fire II. I have a Dell Streak 7 now (for $150 through a botched 4g t-mobile contract), nice, but not quite there.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks
On 11/02/2011 06:49 PM, tartbrain wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: >> On 11/02/2011 05:57 PM, tartbrain wrote: >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: On Nov 2, 2011, at 4:22 PM, Vaj wrote: > On Nov 2, 2011, at 5:08 PM, Bhairitu wrote: > >> Interesting article on Steve Jobs dietary quirks (not too unlike some >> quirks people have here) and comments by nutritional experts: >> http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/02/8598251-the-strange-eating-habits-of-steve-jobs > Yeah, Jobs (whose strange health habits were fairly well known) reminds > me a lot of TM Org and other New Ages faddists: weird diets, odd > supplementation regimes, unusual approaches to disease and avoidance of > modern mainstream healthcare. Often these are taken to obsessive and > excessive levels: worrying about the latest-greatest supplements or > dosing up on Indian or Chinese herbs to the point of heavy-metal overload. It was the carrots-and-apples-for-weeks that kind of got to me. Besides overload, really boring. Probably explain his shifting moods too. Not such a great idea being CEO of a major company, holding meetings, etc while you're basically starving yourself. Wonder what his wife's take on all of that including his unconventional ideas on his cancer treatment was. > Jobs clearly signed his own death certificate with the strange idea that > he could force a rare form of pancreatic CA into remission through diet. > Occasionally you'll see someone who gets lucky with such an approach, but > almost invariably these types just suddenly disappear. Gone. > > The only good news in this case is now I may eventually get Flash on my > iPad… Really? So then they should work with, say, Amazon instant videos? That would be nice. Just one more thing to thank Steve for. Sal >>> Presumably the $199 Amazon Kindle Fire will also play Amazon Instant Video. >>> And for Prime members, much of that library is free. An offer I-tunes lacks >>> (or have I missed that.) Amazon Instant Video recently acquired access to >>> all PBS content. The expands their library a lot -- for quality programming >>> (should one be inclined towards documentaries -- I like a lot of their >>> stuff.) >>> >>> Way cheaper tablet, way cheaper content. And Droid Honeycomb looks great. >> The Kindle Fire will be running Gingerbread Android 2.33 not Honeycomb. > Thanks for the clarification. Can the fire be upgraded to Honeycomb, or is > that a round peg in a square hole sort of thing? They should skip over 3.2 which is mainly for tablets and do Ice Cream Sandwich or 4.0 which will be better for that device. The Fire only has a 1024x600 screen. But I think the concept is good. My 10" Acer A500 plays Netflix WI and movies from the Android Market at 1280x720p. I can also plug it into the HDMI port of a TV and watch that way. I suspect that after sales lull for the Fire in the spring Amazon may make a video app available for other tablets. MSpot is another movie service available on Android but I haven't looked into it. > And the Fire, as I understand, is Amazons quick to market for Christmas > season. The REAL tablet which they have spend most of their time and > resources developing, and lots of consumer sessions, is coming in spring > 2012. Hopefully that will run the latest version of Droid. The mobile scene is crazy. Google rushes stuff out and breaks things. They feel they have to do that to stay ahead of the pack. They also don't have much senior management and it shows. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: "...no evidence for consciousness exists in the physical world"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu" wrote: > > Sam Harris on the Mystery of Consciousness I and II from > http://www.samharris.org > > Harris distinguishes between "underlying consciousness" and the things > entities are conscious of, but seems to skirt around making definitive > conclusions as to what consciousness "is" - relative consciousness of course. > Harris briefly ventured into the realm of mystical Consciousness in a > previous book, but has backtracked from that venture, leaving anything out > related to "Pure Consciousness", mysticism, Buddhism, etc. > ... > Note that in part I Harris states that there's no evidence for consciousness > in the physical world (and by implication, any known world since Harris is a > materialist neurophysicist). He completely avoids the question of an > afterlife. > > "The problem, however, is that no evidence for consciousness exists in the > physical world.[6] Physical events are simply mute as to whether it is "like > something" to be what they are. The only thing in this universe that attests > to the existence of consciousness is consciousness itself; the only clue to > subjectivity, as such, is subjectivity. Absolutely nothing about a brain, > when surveyed as a physical system, suggests that it is a locus of > experience. Were we not already brimming with consciousness ourselves, we > would find no evidence of it in the physical universenor would we have any > notion of the many experiential states that it gives rise to. The painfulness > of pain, for instance, puts in an appearance only in consciousness. And no > description of C-fibers or pain-avoiding behavior will bring the subjective > reality into view." > "Harris wishes to incorporate spirituality in the domain of human reason. He draws inspiration from the practices of Eastern religion, in particular that of meditation, as described principally by Hindu and Buddhist practitioners. By paying close attention to moment-to-moment conscious experience, Harris suggests, it is possible to make our sense of "self" vanish and thereby uncover a new state of personal well-being. Moreover, Harris argues that such states of mind should be subjected to formal scientific investigation, without incorporating the myth and superstition that often accompanies meditation in the religious context. "There is clearly no greater obstacle to a truly empirical approach to spiritual experience than our current beliefs about God," he writes.[14]p. 214. Despite his anti-religious sentiments, Sam Harris also claims that there is "nothing irrational about seeking the states of mind that lie at the core of many religions. Compassion, awe, devotion and feelings of oneness are surely among the most valuable experiences a person can have."[10]"
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blues
This is where things get kind of screwy, (or so I think). You think the point has been made, but then it still goes on. But I guess it is important to Judy to keep driving it home. To me it crosses a line from a normal discussion to something quite obsessive. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" curtisdeltablues@ wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote > > > And you know what? I've been pondering what Robin has > > > said about your appropriation of context. I think this > > > is an example. You have terrible difficulty perceiving > > > any context but your own. Not that we all aren't limited > > > to some degree in perceiving another person's context, > > > but most of us do take a stab at it, if only so that we > > > can more effectively argue our own perspective. You > > > rarely even try. > > > > When it concerns a misrepresentation of my own POV I am not > > open to considering what point you think I was making. And > > if you are making a case for having a superior ability for > > understanding my context this would be a counterexample for > > that claim. You have attempted to reframe the discussion > > about whether or not I was "comparing" Maharishi and Mao, > > which was never in question, of course I was. > > This is what you said to Nabby: > > Usually I would > > > > > > correct you concerning this vicious lie pointing out that > > > > > > my point about Mao had to do with the unreliability of > > > > > > people's subjective darshon experiences > > No "of course I was" about it. You were telling Nabby > that you *hadn't* been comparing MMY and Mao, that > your point about Mao had to do only with the darshan > experiences of his followers. > > Nor did you contradict Nabby's assertion that you'd > said MMY was "worse than Mao." You didn't even mention > it. *I* was the one who mentioned it, calling it a "lie." > I even *documented* that it was a lie by quoting you to > the effect that MMY was "a dim bulb" by comparison with > Mao. > > > But that comparison did not have the odious and practically > > insane suggestion that a pop guru was worse than the single > > greatest mass murder in history whose status in buttholery > > might only be challenged by Stalin. > > Right. That's a given, and I acknowledged and documented > it, as noted. Nabby's gun said "Bang!" and you freaked. > > > So no, I am not open to the bullshit context you are > > attempting and that is not evidence of my lack of ability > > to understand another person's POV. > > Well, yes, it is, because you've completely missed my > context in this post as well. > > > The question I have for you is why you thought you would > > get away with such a weak case while demonstrating the very > > lack of perceptiveness you are accusing me of? You haven't > > demonstrated that you get my context, quite the opposite. > > You've just proved my (and Robin's) point in spades, but > you're incapable of recognizing it. > > You weren't even going after Nabby in your initial post, > BTW; you were going after me *via* Nabby. But you were so > intent on getting me that you lost focus and shot yourself > in the foot instead. >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Steve Jobs diet quirks
On Nov 2, 2011, at 7:57 PM, tartbrain wrote: >>> >>> The only good news in this case is now I may eventually get Flash on my >>> iPad… >> >> Really? So then they should work with, say, >> Amazon instant videos? That would be nice. >> Just one more thing to thank Steve for. >> >> >> Sal > > Presumably the $199 Amazon Kindle Fire will also play Amazon Instant Video. > And for Prime members, much of that library is free. An offer I-tunes lacks > (or have I missed that.) Amazon Instant Video recently acquired access to all > PBS content. The expands their library a lot -- for quality programming > (should one be inclined towards documentaries -- I like a lot of their > stuff.) > > Way cheaper tablet, way cheaper content. And Droid Honeycomb looks great. Agreed. We have Prime, and love it, so will probably get a Fire as well. But it sure would be nice to be able to also use our iPad for that too. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > On 11/02/2011 05:57 PM, tartbrain wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > >> On Nov 2, 2011, at 4:22 PM, Vaj wrote: > >> > >>> On Nov 2, 2011, at 5:08 PM, Bhairitu wrote: > >>> > Interesting article on Steve Jobs dietary quirks (not too unlike some > quirks people have here) and comments by nutritional experts: > http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/02/8598251-the-strange-eating-habits-of-steve-jobs > >>> > >>> Yeah, Jobs (whose strange health habits were fairly well known) reminds > >>> me a lot of TM Org and other New Ages faddists: weird diets, odd > >>> supplementation regimes, unusual approaches to disease and avoidance of > >>> modern mainstream healthcare. Often these are taken to obsessive and > >>> excessive levels: worrying about the latest-greatest supplements or > >>> dosing up on Indian or Chinese herbs to the point of heavy-metal overload. > >> It was the carrots-and-apples-for-weeks that > >> kind of got to me. Besides overload, really > >> boring. Probably explain his shifting > >> moods too. Not such a great idea being CEO of a > >> major company, holding meetings, etc while you're > >> basically starving yourself. Wonder what his > >> wife's take on all of that including his > >> unconventional ideas on his cancer treatment was. > >> > >>> Jobs clearly signed his own death certificate with the strange idea that > >>> he could force a rare form of pancreatic CA into remission through diet. > >>> Occasionally you'll see someone who gets lucky with such an approach, but > >>> almost invariably these types just suddenly disappear. Gone. > >>> > >>> The only good news in this case is now I may eventually get Flash on my > >>> iPad > >> Really? So then they should work with, say, > >> Amazon instant videos? That would be nice. > >> Just one more thing to thank Steve for. > >> > >> > >> Sal > > Presumably the $199 Amazon Kindle Fire will also play Amazon Instant Video. > > And for Prime members, much of that library is free. An offer I-tunes lacks > > (or have I missed that.) Amazon Instant Video recently acquired access to > > all PBS content. The expands their library a lot -- for quality programming > > (should one be inclined towards documentaries -- I like a lot of their > > stuff.) > > > > Way cheaper tablet, way cheaper content. And Droid Honeycomb looks great. > > The Kindle Fire will be running Gingerbread Android 2.33 not Honeycomb. Thanks for the clarification. Can the fire be upgraded to Honeycomb, or is that a round peg in a square hole sort of thing? And the Fire, as I understand, is Amazons quick to market for Christmas season. The REAL tablet which they have spend most of their time and resources developing, and lots of consumer sessions, is coming in spring 2012. Hopefully that will run the latest version of Droid. > I just want the Amazon app on my Bluray player and have been waiting > over a year for it. There are almost no devices that have everything > however. > Yes, there are always tradeoffs of features, and of costs. Until omnicience dawns, I guess we are stuck with compromise. (Or until the dissolution of mind states that see gadgets, including omnicience as substantive.)
[FairfieldLife] Linda Stewart's NDE
Reports getting sucked into the Void but being saved by (in her word), "Christ". http://www.near-death.com/stewart.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Day That TMers Became Officially Crazy
I agree, but that was tartbrain - I was using his quote as a starting point. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote: > > > > "The movement belongs to those who move. Those who were stuck on the idea > > that the movement and the TMO were ONLY about the 7-step program were, > > well, stuck. I think M and TM were always a moving target about gateways to > > consciousness and purifying collective consciousness, via a lot of > > different avenues." > > > BINGO ! > > > The lazy ones refused to change and later, even to meditate. In fact many > stopped TM because it brings about change. > Can't have that. >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks
On 11/02/2011 06:19 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: >> Interesting article on Steve Jobs dietary quirks (not too unlike some >> quirks people have here) and comments by nutritional experts: >> http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/02/8598251-the-strange-eating-habits-of-steve-jobs >> > Lots and lots of speculation going on. The fruitarians are saying he'd have > never gotten cancer if only he'd stuck to fruitarianism all along. The > low-carbers think he should have ditched all the cancer-food carbs and > switched to a ketogenic diet. I'd side with the ketogenic diet over > fruitarianism, but I really think he should have jumped at the chance to have > that rare, survivable fucker cut out of his body early, when he had the > chance. > > A friend of mine in FF was diagnosed with ovarian cancer early enough that > she would have likely survived had she gotten surgery. But, she opted for a > yearlong death spiral, doing all sorts of new-age alternative nonsense. > Honestly, I think she really just wanted outta here. My brother was never into anything new age but came down with colon cancer at age 52. The last few months he was into trying anything but I knew it was too late. Now if he had just eaten the diet he was eating in his last few months he may have never gotten cancer in the first place.
[FairfieldLife] NDE's and the Void
The Void in the NDE context is a condition or "realm" of one's own making constructed only of the thoughts and mental constructions along with the emotional baggage available to those persons. Various case histories point to a state that is generally to be avoided, since a world only of one's fantasies can turn out to be a Hellish prison. ... Otoh, in certain Sci-Fi stories, people can supposedly be trapped in a type of Void that is "apparently" Happy, while the inhabitants believe they are in a "real" Heaven. This of course leads us to an interesting philosophical conundrum; but the Void in the article below appears to be an isolationist world not characterized by the happiness that Vicki experienced in her meeting with Jesus and the dead people (Cf. previous NDE post). "http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research15.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks
On 11/02/2011 05:57 PM, tartbrain wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: >> On Nov 2, 2011, at 4:22 PM, Vaj wrote: >> >>> On Nov 2, 2011, at 5:08 PM, Bhairitu wrote: >>> Interesting article on Steve Jobs dietary quirks (not too unlike some quirks people have here) and comments by nutritional experts: http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/02/8598251-the-strange-eating-habits-of-steve-jobs >>> >>> Yeah, Jobs (whose strange health habits were fairly well known) reminds me >>> a lot of TM Org and other New Ages faddists: weird diets, odd >>> supplementation regimes, unusual approaches to disease and avoidance of >>> modern mainstream healthcare. Often these are taken to obsessive and >>> excessive levels: worrying about the latest-greatest supplements or dosing >>> up on Indian or Chinese herbs to the point of heavy-metal overload. >> It was the carrots-and-apples-for-weeks that >> kind of got to me. Besides overload, really >> boring. Probably explain his shifting >> moods too. Not such a great idea being CEO of a >> major company, holding meetings, etc while you're >> basically starving yourself. Wonder what his >> wife's take on all of that including his >> unconventional ideas on his cancer treatment was. >> >>> Jobs clearly signed his own death certificate with the strange idea that he >>> could force a rare form of pancreatic CA into remission through diet. >>> Occasionally you'll see someone who gets lucky with such an approach, but >>> almost invariably these types just suddenly disappear. Gone. >>> >>> The only good news in this case is now I may eventually get Flash on my >>> iPad… >> Really? So then they should work with, say, >> Amazon instant videos? That would be nice. >> Just one more thing to thank Steve for. >> >> >> Sal > Presumably the $199 Amazon Kindle Fire will also play Amazon Instant Video. > And for Prime members, much of that library is free. An offer I-tunes lacks > (or have I missed that.) Amazon Instant Video recently acquired access to all > PBS content. The expands their library a lot -- for quality programming > (should one be inclined towards documentaries -- I like a lot of their stuff.) > > Way cheaper tablet, way cheaper content. And Droid Honeycomb looks great. The Kindle Fire will be running Gingerbread Android 2.33 not Honeycomb. I just want the Amazon app on my Bluray player and have been waiting over a year for it. There are almost no devices that have everything however. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: "Enlightened" and FFL, continued
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > Curtis, because you're one of my homeboys and we like a lot of the > same things and all, I'll take your advice and do everything you say > in this post. I'll do this knowing that it won't change a damned thing, > and that the Spiritual Vigilantes (had to find a new name for them as > a performing group since there are now more than 3 of them and thus > "the Pips" is no longer appropriate) will keep up the same act anyway. > > And because you're one of my buds and all, I'll go even further. First, > I'll avoid giving away the real source of the "Robin wears women's > clothing when he posts" line that someone found so offensive here. ME: That was a bit of passive aggressive private conversation betrayal Barry, what's up with that? The line you are referring to from a private email in the middle of July was: "But I had a good time uncovering his personal world like an anthropologist and I felt genuine affection and compassion for the guy. It would not surprise me in the least if on meeting him he was dressed as a woman." It reflected the context of a lot of emphasis on Lady Gaga in our discussions which could be taken as code, and I was genuinely wondering. My amended view of his orientation came as a result of personal emails. And it was not meant as a putdown, but as my perspective that I was dealing with a person who lives very far outside the box. And I still feel that way about Robin, although not in this specific way. So I guess the gang has uncovered their cherished goal of getting me to sincerely correct your behavior about something Barry. I would appreciate if you kept the contents of our private emails between us, and especially don't want it used outside the intended context to make me look like a dick. > Second, I'll promise not to reveal the details of any of those private > email exchanges that some on the vigilante squads have accused us > of having behind their backs in our continuing attempts to tell lies > about them, TM, Maharishi, and the American Way. Third, I'll > listen to more of the Delta Blues from time to time, even though > it's not my favorite kinda music. > > I hope that this will help to keep us best buds, because as everyone > knows best buds have to agree with each other about pretty much > everything in life. > > Yo, > > Barry > > P.S. For the record, I don't think Robin is gay either. I was merely > using a good one-liner I heard from somewhere to point out the > rather drama-queen-y / drag queen-y nature of some of his suck-up > verbiage. If I were to really guess as to his sexuality I would assume > him to be asexual, because I honestly can't see anyone that narcissistic > having a real-life relationship with anyone other than themselves, be > they male or female. > > P.S.S. I sure hope that P.S. wasn't offensive. Could you check with the > standard-keeper for me? > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > Barry, > > > > recently > > -- comes in. This place has been a hotbed of people asserting that > they > > not only have the right to try to change people they don't like, > they've > > been asserting that it's some kind of ethical or moral duty, and that > > anyone who *doesn't* "do as they do" and try to impose their view of > how > > things should be on others is ethically deficient. > > > > Bzt. As Curtis has pointed out so well, this just does not > compute. > > The only environment in which such a 'tude *does* compute is a cult, > > especially one that has a history of treating its members like > children > > who "need" to be corrected by their betters. In other words, the TM > > movement. > > > > Such a sense of entitlement has no place on a forum composed of > adults. > > Adults don't really need anyone to "stand up for them" when someone > says > > something about them that they might not agree with. Adults suck it up > > and realize that the other person's view of them is just as valid as > > their own. They don't go around trying to impose their values on other > > people; they just do what adults do, try to do their best to live up > to > > their own values, and allow others to do the same. Groups can't become > > cults if the people in them act like adults. They can only become > cults > > if most of them act like children, and as if the gurus and the fellow > > cultists around them trying to make them "more like them" are right.> > > > > Hey Barry, > > > > Hey listen, uh...I've been hearing some things from people that you > said some things that they don't like and found offensive...and since > you and I get along here pretty well...uh I was wondering if you could > uh do..er...not do...say,,,I not mean say anything that people might > find offensive here? Now I read your first post to Robin where you > called him a drama queen and accused him of acting as if he wanted us to > treat him as a special person and
[FairfieldLife] "...no evidence for consciousness exists in the physical world"
Sam Harris on the Mystery of Consciousness I and II from http://www.samharris.org Harris distinguishes between "underlying consciousness" and the things entities are conscious of, but seems to skirt around making definitive conclusions as to what consciousness "is" - relative consciousness of course. Harris briefly ventured into the realm of mystical Consciousness in a previous book, but has backtracked from that venture, leaving anything out related to "Pure Consciousness", mysticism, Buddhism, etc. ... Note that in part I Harris states that there's no evidence for consciousness in the physical world (and by implication, any known world since Harris is a materialist neurophysicist). He completely avoids the question of an afterlife. "The problem, however, is that no evidence for consciousness exists in the physical world.[6] Physical events are simply mute as to whether it is "like something" to be what they are. The only thing in this universe that attests to the existence of consciousness is consciousness itself; the only clue to subjectivity, as such, is subjectivity. Absolutely nothing about a brain, when surveyed as a physical system, suggests that it is a locus of experience. Were we not already brimming with consciousness ourselves, we would find no evidence of it in the physical universenor would we have any notion of the many experiential states that it gives rise to. The painfulness of pain, for instance, puts in an appearance only in consciousness. And no description of C-fibers or pain-avoiding behavior will bring the subjective reality into view."
[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > Interesting article on Steve Jobs dietary quirks (not too unlike some > quirks people have here) and comments by nutritional experts: > http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/02/8598251-the-strange-eating-habits-of-steve-jobs > Lots and lots of speculation going on. The fruitarians are saying he'd have never gotten cancer if only he'd stuck to fruitarianism all along. The low-carbers think he should have ditched all the cancer-food carbs and switched to a ketogenic diet. I'd side with the ketogenic diet over fruitarianism, but I really think he should have jumped at the chance to have that rare, survivable fucker cut out of his body early, when he had the chance. A friend of mine in FF was diagnosed with ovarian cancer early enough that she would have likely survived had she gotten surgery. But, she opted for a yearlong death spiral, doing all sorts of new-age alternative nonsense. Honestly, I think she really just wanted outta here.
[FairfieldLife] Can blind people see during NDE's?
This case involving a congenitally blind person (Vicki); suggests so. She reported seeing and conversing with Jesus: http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence03.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs Last Words
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > On Nov 2, 2011, at 4:22 PM, Vaj wrote: > > > On Nov 2, 2011, at 5:08 PM, Bhairitu wrote: > > > >> Interesting article on Steve Jobs dietary quirks (not too unlike some > >> quirks people have here) and comments by nutritional experts: > >> http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/02/8598251-the-strange-eating-habits-of-steve-jobs > > > > > > Yeah, Jobs (whose strange health habits were fairly well known) reminds me > > a lot of TM Org and other New Ages faddists: weird diets, odd > > supplementation regimes, unusual approaches to disease and avoidance of > > modern mainstream healthcare. Often these are taken to obsessive and > > excessive levels: worrying about the latest-greatest supplements or dosing > > up on Indian or Chinese herbs to the point of heavy-metal overload. > > It was the carrots-and-apples-for-weeks that > kind of got to me. Besides overload, really > boring. Probably explain his shifting > moods too. Not such a great idea being CEO of a > major company, holding meetings, etc while you're > basically starving yourself. Wonder what his > wife's take on all of that including his > unconventional ideas on his cancer treatment was. > > > Jobs clearly signed his own death certificate with the strange idea that he > > could force a rare form of pancreatic CA into remission through diet. > > Occasionally you'll see someone who gets lucky with such an approach, but > > almost invariably these types just suddenly disappear. Gone. His sister said his last words were "Oh Wow. Oh Wow, Oh Wow" as he looked past his family surrounding him, into the broader expanse of the room. Like he saw something not apparent to the bystanders. Reminiscent of other death, near death reports. Something roughly parallel when my dad died. And my mom said similar when her mom died. ( I know. Sometimes I slip out of rational, empirical mode into sentimental spiritualism state. Damn, slap me.)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Republican
Wow! I didn't realize Michelle Obama was such a Republican! From: Tom Pall To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2011 10:31 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Republican [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from Tom Pall included below]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > On Nov 2, 2011, at 4:22 PM, Vaj wrote: > > > On Nov 2, 2011, at 5:08 PM, Bhairitu wrote: > > > >> Interesting article on Steve Jobs dietary quirks (not too unlike some > >> quirks people have here) and comments by nutritional experts: > >> http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/02/8598251-the-strange-eating-habits-of-steve-jobs > > > > > > Yeah, Jobs (whose strange health habits were fairly well known) reminds me > > a lot of TM Org and other New Ages faddists: weird diets, odd > > supplementation regimes, unusual approaches to disease and avoidance of > > modern mainstream healthcare. Often these are taken to obsessive and > > excessive levels: worrying about the latest-greatest supplements or dosing > > up on Indian or Chinese herbs to the point of heavy-metal overload. > > It was the carrots-and-apples-for-weeks that > kind of got to me. Besides overload, really > boring. Probably explain his shifting > moods too. Not such a great idea being CEO of a > major company, holding meetings, etc while you're > basically starving yourself. Wonder what his > wife's take on all of that including his > unconventional ideas on his cancer treatment was. > > > Jobs clearly signed his own death certificate with the strange idea that he > > could force a rare form of pancreatic CA into remission through diet. > > Occasionally you'll see someone who gets lucky with such an approach, but > > almost invariably these types just suddenly disappear. Gone. > > > > The only good news in this case is now I may eventually get Flash on my > > iPad > > Really? So then they should work with, say, > Amazon instant videos? That would be nice. > Just one more thing to thank Steve for. > > > Sal Presumably the $199 Amazon Kindle Fire will also play Amazon Instant Video. And for Prime members, much of that library is free. An offer I-tunes lacks (or have I missed that.) Amazon Instant Video recently acquired access to all PBS content. The expands their library a lot -- for quality programming (should one be inclined towards documentaries -- I like a lot of their stuff.) Way cheaper tablet, way cheaper content. And Droid Honeycomb looks great.
[FairfieldLife] Israel wants to pick a fight
Seems those crazy people over in Israel who believe the magic man in the sky has given them some magic land all for themselves want to pick a fight with their neighbor Iran. Either that or they want to distract the world from a pending class war. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/02/in-israel-speculation-over-strike-on-iran-grows/ No US lives for Israel!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Steve Jobs diet quirks
On 11/02/2011 03:29 PM, Vaj wrote: > On Nov 2, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Bhairitu wrote: > >> "Modern mainstream healthcare" isn't very good when it comes to diet. > It depends on the physician. I see an MD who's an Integrative practitioner. Yes it does depend on the physician. My ayurvedic doc was an MD. Moved out of the area to run a hospital up north. California isn't as hip about such stuff as people might think because the California Medical Association rules with an iron hand in lockstep with Big Pharma. Doctors have become drug pushers. >> >> Too many doctors want a "one diet fits all" approach and that won't >> work. And how many times have you heard as I have from air head >> nationalists "eat plenty of fruits and vegetables." Vegetables yes but >> fruits can cause blood sugar imbalances and need to be addressed with >> care. Doctors are lucky if they get one semester on nutrition. >> Probably the biggest influence on the body is what you eat daily. >> >> The ancients had a good handle on it be it Ayurveda or Chinese >> medicine. It's really nothing much more than biochemistry but as one >> former med student told me many med students find biochemistry >> challenging and have difficulty passing the course. Perhaps we should >> limit medicine to those with actually have a talent for it rather than >> those whose parents were doctors. > Biochem and P-chem are usually the make or break courses for most pre-Med > students. > > Foods are drugs, albeit in very dilute forms. It's really that simple or that > complex. Element based medical systems put a friendly user interface on this > complexity so anyone can use it. But it's not a be-all and end-all. Much of > the laws of karma are stored in our underlying DNA. > > Some things are actually much more difficult to handle with herbs and > supplementation than with common pharmaceuticals. And most holistic-type > practitioners do not possess the wisdom to distinguish the differences. I would disagree with that. After all the holistic practitioners I had *were* MDs. And as you should know there are pharmaceuticals that were derived from the molecular structure of herbs used for remedies. I'm just not big on conventional medicine since I've had years of success with alternative care. Sure there are things like a cataract that alternative does not even get into. I think there are too many sour grapes on FFL because of a few bad alternative practitioners. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Thousands March on Port of Oakland
Quite a turn out over in Oakland. They are now arriving at the Port of Oakland shutting it down. Not much police presence. Lots of families coming out for the protest too. http://www.livestream.com/occupyoakland and http://www.kron4.com/Default.aspx
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Steve Jobs diet quirks
On Nov 2, 2011, at 4:22 PM, Vaj wrote: > On Nov 2, 2011, at 5:08 PM, Bhairitu wrote: > >> Interesting article on Steve Jobs dietary quirks (not too unlike some >> quirks people have here) and comments by nutritional experts: >> http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/02/8598251-the-strange-eating-habits-of-steve-jobs > > > Yeah, Jobs (whose strange health habits were fairly well known) reminds me a > lot of TM Org and other New Ages faddists: weird diets, odd supplementation > regimes, unusual approaches to disease and avoidance of modern mainstream > healthcare. Often these are taken to obsessive and excessive levels: worrying > about the latest-greatest supplements or dosing up on Indian or Chinese herbs > to the point of heavy-metal overload. It was the carrots-and-apples-for-weeks that kind of got to me. Besides overload, really boring. Probably explain his shifting moods too. Not such a great idea being CEO of a major company, holding meetings, etc while you're basically starving yourself. Wonder what his wife's take on all of that including his unconventional ideas on his cancer treatment was. > Jobs clearly signed his own death certificate with the strange idea that he > could force a rare form of pancreatic CA into remission through diet. > Occasionally you'll see someone who gets lucky with such an approach, but > almost invariably these types just suddenly disappear. Gone. > > The only good news in this case is now I may eventually get Flash on my iPad… Really? So then they should work with, say, Amazon instant videos? That would be nice. Just one more thing to thank Steve for. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blues
Cute babies ..:-) On Nov 2, 2011, at 3:16 PM, Bob Price wrote: > > > I agree with you; lets make them happy again---but we should be careful, they > cry so easily. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=9F3dUbqtvdc > > > From: Ravi Yogi > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" > Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 3:08:32 PM > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blues > > And I can understand why Curtis feels so protective of him :-). He's just > being a protective parent though setting a bad example to other patents..LOL.. > > Now Vaj is another story, he is just a crook :-) > > On Nov 2, 2011, at 3:03 PM, Ravi Yogi wrote: > > >Bob, > > > > > >Sure he is..this message is typical of his. But I have looked at Barry's > >pictures on FB, he looks pretty naive and innocent. So he may be emotionally > >a child, come across as vicious, harsh and offensive but he seems pretty > >harmless. > > > > > >I'm surprised at the naïveté of some of the TM'ers and I can see why they > >feel harmed by their involvement with cults and Gurus. > > > > > >So I like having him here and making fun of him. > > > > > > > >On Nov 2, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Bob Price wrote: > > > > > > > >>Ravi, > >> > >>Was this King Baby's farewell speech? > >> > >>That was easy. > >> > >> > >>From: turquoiseb > >>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > >>Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 10:34:01 AM > >>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blues > >> > >>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> BTW from now on, any missile Barry lobs your way is hereby > >>> labeled a bang flag on a toy gun, and I will delight in > >>> pointing our whether it causes you to get "freaked" about > >>> it. But only to help you improve your skills understanding > >>> other people's POV here. > >> > >>BTW from now on I doubt I will be lobbing any > >>even "bang flag" missiles her way, or Robin's, > >>or Bob's. I've done the "setup" for this week's > >>experiment, and now they are free to react as > >>they wish. Judy has only one more post this week > >>in which to do so, so we'll see how attached she > >>is to holding a grudge when she returns next week. > >> > >>It's been fun "chumming the waters" a little > >>this week, but a kind of fun I will have less > >>time for soon, so don't hope for more of it. > >> > >>When it comes to the people I have taken "bang > >>flag" potshots at, I have either made my case, > >>or I have not. Unlike them, I don't feel that > >>repeating it ad infinitum is going to convince > >>anyone of anything. They are free to continue > >>to try to make any case against me they wish, > >>if they'd like. As if -- if my assessment of > >>them is correct -- they have any choice. :-) > >> > >>I really am hoping to "step away from the news- > >>group" a little. As you've probably noticed, > >>there is little said here that interests me > >>intellectually all that much these days; I just > >>can't identify with much of it. So I have (mea > >>culpa) tried to fill the "interest gap" by > >>perversely pushing a few easily-pushed buttons. > >>But there's really no challenge even in that > >>any more, since the buttons are SO easily > >>pushed. Better I should do like the more > >>sensible posters here and just lay low until > >>and if something is said that I actually > >>find interesting. > >> > >>Or not. We'll see... > >> > >> > >> > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear curtis, I know what blues is. But hearing what you > > > > > manage to shriek about MMM, the latest him being worse > > > > > than Mao, > > > > > > > > Ah Nabbie, what a gift you have bestowed. Usually I would > > > > correct you concerning this vicious lie pointing out that > > > > my point about Mao had to do with the unreliability of > > > > people's subjective darshon experiences since he had so > > > > many more millions who attributed God-like status on him > > > > and commented on his powerful presence filling Tienanmen > > > > Square. > > > > > > This was one of your points. Another, however, had to > > > do with how both MMY and Mao "staged" their appearances > > > before their followers specifically to evoke this > > > subjective darshan experience that led their followers > > > to confer God-like status on them. > > > > > > Other points involved personality traits the two of > > > them had in common, such as hypocrisy (concerning their > > > sexual dalliances, for example). > > > > > > So in fact it wasn't just about the unreliability of > > > darshan experiences; you were comparing MMY and Mao as > > > human beings. > > > > > > But you're quite right, Nabby is "lying" in one respect: > > > You never said MMY was *worse* than Mao. Rather, you > > > said MMY was "a rather dim bulb compared to Mao." > > > > > > Actually, in context, maybe that *does* qualify as > > > "worse," and Nabby isn't "lying" after all. > > > > > > (You tried this sort of approach once before, Curtis, > > > with regard to a different issue, and you fouled it up > > > then too. You just aren't very good at it. You have > > > trouble picking *parallels*, among other things.) > > > > So I never said that Maharishi was worse than Mao despite > > your attempt to twist it into that with a clumsy two step. > > It is obvious how Nabbie meant it and your attempts at > > obfuscation have failed. > > Sheesh, Curtis, that was a jocular throwaway afterthought. > > > And the upshot is for you to attempt to correct me about what > > point I was making > > I *did* correct your claim about the point you had > been making. You attempted to limit it to the darshan > experiences of followers, whereas in fact you also > compared Mao and MMY as men. That is, of course, what > Nabby was referring to. So if he was being dishonest > about the comparison, so were you to claim you weren't > comparing them. > > rather than show some ethical disapproval > > for this blatant and offensive lie. > > Remember what I said about the kind of gun Nabby uses? > Please read the parenthetical above again. > > > Thanks for being predictable. Now you can drop the superior > > ethical facade because you have just proven how fake and self- > > serving the act was. > > Nice try, no cigar. As I said, you aren't very good > at this sort of approach. > > And you know what? I've been pondering what Robin has > said about your appropriation of context. I think this > is an example. You have terrible difficulty perceiving > any context but your own. Not that we all aren't limited > to some degree in perceiving another person's context, > but most of us do take a stab at it, if only so that we > can more effectively argue our own perspective. You > rarely even try. In my experience, everyone has difficulty in perceiving any context but their own. Now why would that be? Think about it. Exactly where is all the information we process located, if we are thinking about it? As for the argument going on here, I have not been following it; I am not commenting on the merits of demerits of the discussion or its context. There has been a certain lack of power and connectivity in the New York Tri-State area, and I have been interested in other things than the forum lately, what with attempting to stay warm etc., and having a strong interest in what is happening in Greece and Europe. But I am glad to see the forum is still here.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blues
Nice :-), sure will do. On Nov 2, 2011, at 3:37 PM, Bob Price wrote: > > > Great place you are moving too. If you haven't already; drive north on > highway 1 to the Hearst Castle---fantastic trip. The tapestries, in the pool > room---alone, are worth the trip. I walked around the grounds imagining Cary > Grant staring up at bright white clouds in a blue blue sky---absolutely > snookered on acid. > > > From: Ravi Yogi > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" > Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 3:25:08 PM > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blues > > Trust me I do feel bad (not guilty) teasing him, so I go through phases of > teasing and not teasing Barry. And you are right it's about time I stopped > since he doesn't understand or unwilling to acknowledge my point anyway. I > can offer my serious rebuttal to his posts which I have done several times in > the past anyway. His posts are almost always so outrageous that I sometimes > don't have time and I just mock/tease but yeah I should reconsider. > > Others might differ. > > Sorry couldn't watch the video - my damn iPhone doesn't load it. > > P.S I'm moving to an apartment 2 blocks from Rose Market and a block away > from the beach, weird coincidence :-) > > On Nov 2, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Bob Price wrote: > > >Ravi, > > > >Right on, do you we should stop teasing them? > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laxyoaHOP1c&feature=related > > > > > >From: Ravi Yogi > >To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" > >Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 3:03:57 PM > >Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blues > > > >Bob, > > > >Sure he is..this message is typical of his. But I have looked at Barry's > >pictures on FB, he looks pretty naive and innocent. So he may be emotionally > >a child, come across as vicious, harsh and offensive but he seems pretty > >harmless. > > > >I'm surprised at the naïveté of some of the TM'ers and I can see why they > >feel harmed by their involvement with cults and Gurus. > > > >So I like having him here and making fun of him. > > > >On Nov 2, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Bob Price wrote: > > > >>Ravi, > >> > >>Was this King Baby's farewell speech? > >> > >>That was easy. > >> > >> > >>From: turquoiseb > >>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > >>Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 10:34:01 AM > >>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blues > >> > >>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> BTW from now on, any missile Barry lobs your way is hereby > >>> labeled a bang flag on a toy gun, and I will delight in > >>> pointing our whether it causes you to get "freaked" about > >>> it. But only to help you improve your skills understanding > >>> other people's POV here. > >> > >>BTW from now on I doubt I will be lobbing any > >>even "bang flag" missiles her way, or Robin's, > >>or Bob's. I've done the "setup" for this week's > >>experiment, and now they are free to react as > >>they wish. Judy has only one more post this week > >>in which to do so, so we'll see how attached she > >>is to holding a grudge when she returns next week. > >> > >>It's been fun "chumming the waters" a little > >>this week, but a kind of fun I will have less > >>time for soon, so don't hope for more of it. > >> > >>When it comes to the people I have taken "bang > >>flag" potshots at, I have either made my case, > >>or I have not. Unlike them, I don't feel that > >>repeating it ad infinitum is going to convince > >>anyone of anything. They are free to continue > >>to try to make any case against me they wish, > >>if they'd like. As if -- if my assessment of > >>them is correct -- they have any choice. :-) > >> > >>I really am hoping to "step away from the news- > >>group" a little. As you've probably noticed, > >>there is little said here that interests me > >>intellectually all that much these days; I just > >>can't identify with much of it. So I have (mea > >>culpa) tried to fill the "interest gap" by > >>perversely pushing a few easily-pushed buttons. > >>But there's really no challenge even in that > >>any more, since the buttons are SO easily > >>pushed. Better I should do like the more > >>sensible posters here and just lay low until > >>and if something is said that I actually > >>find interesting. > >> > >>Or not. We'll see... > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blues
Great place you are moving too. If you haven't already; drive north on highway 1 to the Hearst Castle---fantastic trip. The tapestries, in the pool room---alone, are worth the trip. I walked around the grounds imagining Cary Grant staring up at bright white clouds in a blue blue sky---absolutely snookered on acid. From: Ravi Yogi To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 3:25:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blues Trust me I do feel bad (not guilty) teasing him, so I go through phases of teasing and not teasing Barry. And you are right it's about time I stopped since he doesn't understand or unwilling to acknowledge my point anyway. I can offer my serious rebuttal to his posts which I have done several times in the past anyway. His posts are almost always so outrageous that I sometimes don't have time and I just mock/tease but yeah I should reconsider. Others might differ. Sorry couldn't watch the video - my damn iPhone doesn't load it. P.S I'm moving to an apartment 2 blocks from Rose Market and a block away from the beach, weird coincidence :-) On Nov 2, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Bob Price wrote: >Ravi, > >Right on, do you we should stop teasing them? > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laxyoaHOP1c&feature=related > > >From: Ravi Yogi >To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" >Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 3:03:57 PM >Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blues > >Bob, > >Sure he is..this message is typical of his. But I have looked at Barry's >pictures on FB, he looks pretty naive and innocent. So he may be emotionally a >child, come across as vicious, harsh and offensive but he seems pretty >harmless. > >I'm surprised at the naïveté of some of the TM'ers and I can see why they feel >harmed by their involvement with cults and Gurus. > >So I like having him here and making fun of him. > >On Nov 2, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Bob Price wrote: > >>Ravi, >> >>Was this King Baby's farewell speech? >> >>That was easy. >> >> >>From: turquoiseb >>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 10:34:01 AM >>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blues >> >>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" >> wrote: >>> >>> BTW from now on, any missile Barry lobs your way is hereby >>> labeled a bang flag on a toy gun, and I will delight in >>> pointing our whether it causes you to get "freaked" about >>> it. But only to help you improve your skills understanding >>> other people's POV here. >> >>BTW from now on I doubt I will be lobbing any >>even "bang flag" missiles her way, or Robin's, >>or Bob's. I've done the "setup" for this week's >>experiment, and now they are free to react as >>they wish. Judy has only one more post this week >>in which to do so, so we'll see how attached she >>is to holding a grudge when she returns next week. >> >>It's been fun "chumming the waters" a little >>this week, but a kind of fun I will have less >>time for soon, so don't hope for more of it. >> >>When it comes to the people I have taken "bang >>flag" potshots at, I have either made my case, >>or I have not. Unlike them, I don't feel that >>repeating it ad infinitum is going to convince >>anyone of anything. They are free to continue >>to try to make any case against me they wish, >>if they'd like. As if -- if my assessment of >>them is correct -- they have any choice. :-) >> >>I really am hoping to "step away from the news- >>group" a little. As you've probably noticed, >>there is little said here that interests me >>intellectually all that much these days; I just >>can't identify with much of it. So I have (mea >>culpa) tried to fill the "interest gap" by >>perversely pushing a few easily-pushed buttons. >>But there's really no challenge even in that >>any more, since the buttons are SO easily >>pushed. Better I should do like the more >>sensible posters here and just lay low until >>and if something is said that I actually >>find interesting. >> >>Or not. We'll see... >> >> >> > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] The iPad's $0.99 Moog synthesizer
On Nov 2, 2011, at 6:22 PM, Bhairitu wrote: > On 11/02/2011 02:36 PM, Vaj wrote: > > If you have an iPad, don't miss the 99 cent version of the Moog synth, the > > Animoog. It will soon go up to 30 USD. It's incredible in that you can do > > much more on this than with an original Minimoog. And it's MIDI compatible. > > > > Here's a great review, tutorial and intro: > > > > http://createdigitalmusic.com/2011/10/animoog-moogs-first-ipad-synth-in-videos-and-instrumental-use/ > > Cute but the Mini Moog is so dated. This is way beyond the Minimoog. It's not only polyphonic, it's a microtonal polytouch instrument as well.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Steve Jobs diet quirks
On Nov 2, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Bhairitu wrote: > "Modern mainstream healthcare" isn't very good when it comes to diet. It depends on the physician. I see an MD who's an Integrative practitioner. > > Too many doctors want a "one diet fits all" approach and that won't > work. And how many times have you heard as I have from air head > nationalists "eat plenty of fruits and vegetables." Vegetables yes but > fruits can cause blood sugar imbalances and need to be addressed with > care. Doctors are lucky if they get one semester on nutrition. > Probably the biggest influence on the body is what you eat daily. > > The ancients had a good handle on it be it Ayurveda or Chinese > medicine. It's really nothing much more than biochemistry but as one > former med student told me many med students find biochemistry > challenging and have difficulty passing the course. Perhaps we should > limit medicine to those with actually have a talent for it rather than > those whose parents were doctors. Biochem and P-chem are usually the make or break courses for most pre-Med students. Foods are drugs, albeit in very dilute forms. It's really that simple or that complex. Element based medical systems put a friendly user interface on this complexity so anyone can use it. But it's not a be-all and end-all. Much of the laws of karma are stored in our underlying DNA. Some things are actually much more difficult to handle with herbs and supplementation than with common pharmaceuticals. And most holistic-type practitioners do not possess the wisdom to distinguish the differences. > >> Jobs clearly signed his own death certificate with the strange idea that he >> could force a rare form of pancreatic CA into remission through diet. >> Occasionally you'll see someone who gets lucky with such an approach, but >> almost invariably these types just suddenly disappear. Gone. > > I haven't checked into it yet but I heard a claim that he lived 8 years > beyond diagnosis when 1 to 2 years is the average so some things he did > might have helped. The type of pancreatic cancer he had was a relatively rare one which was survivable - if you didn't do the weird diet miracle-cure BS. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blues
Trust me I do feel bad (not guilty) teasing him, so I go through phases of teasing and not teasing Barry. And you are right it's about time I stopped since he doesn't understand or unwilling to acknowledge my point anyway. I can offer my serious rebuttal to his posts which I have done several times in the past anyway. His posts are almost always so outrageous that I sometimes don't have time and I just mock/tease but yeah I should reconsider. Others might differ. Sorry couldn't watch the video - my damn iPhone doesn't load it. P.S I'm moving to an apartment 2 blocks from Rose Market and a block away from the beach, weird coincidence :-) On Nov 2, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Bob Price wrote: > Ravi, > > Right on, do you we should stop teasing them? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laxyoaHOP1c&feature=related > > > From: Ravi Yogi > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" > Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 3:03:57 PM > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blues > > Bob, > > Sure he is..this message is typical of his. But I have looked at Barry's > pictures on FB, he looks pretty naive and innocent. So he may be emotionally > a child, come across as vicious, harsh and offensive but he seems pretty > harmless. > > I'm surprised at the naïveté of some of the TM'ers and I can see why they > feel harmed by their involvement with cults and Gurus. > > So I like having him here and making fun of him. > > On Nov 2, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Bob Price wrote: > > >Ravi, > > > >Was this King Baby's farewell speech? > > > >That was easy. > > > > > >From: turquoiseb > >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > >Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 10:34:01 AM > >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blues > > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > >> > >> BTW from now on, any missile Barry lobs your way is hereby > >> labeled a bang flag on a toy gun, and I will delight in > >> pointing our whether it causes you to get "freaked" about > >> it. But only to help you improve your skills understanding > >> other people's POV here. > > > >BTW from now on I doubt I will be lobbing any > >even "bang flag" missiles her way, or Robin's, > >or Bob's. I've done the "setup" for this week's > >experiment, and now they are free to react as > >they wish. Judy has only one more post this week > >in which to do so, so we'll see how attached she > >is to holding a grudge when she returns next week. > > > >It's been fun "chumming the waters" a little > >this week, but a kind of fun I will have less > >time for soon, so don't hope for more of it. > > > >When it comes to the people I have taken "bang > >flag" potshots at, I have either made my case, > >or I have not. Unlike them, I don't feel that > >repeating it ad infinitum is going to convince > >anyone of anything. They are free to continue > >to try to make any case against me they wish, > >if they'd like. As if -- if my assessment of > >them is correct -- they have any choice. :-) > > > >I really am hoping to "step away from the news- > >group" a little. As you've probably noticed, > >there is little said here that interests me > >intellectually all that much these days; I just > >can't identify with much of it. So I have (mea > >culpa) tried to fill the "interest gap" by > >perversely pushing a few easily-pushed buttons. > >But there's really no challenge even in that > >any more, since the buttons are SO easily > >pushed. Better I should do like the more > >sensible posters here and just lay low until > >and if something is said that I actually > >find interesting. > > > >Or not. We'll see... > > > > > > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] The iPad's $0.99 Moog synthesizer
On 11/02/2011 02:36 PM, Vaj wrote: > If you have an iPad, don't miss the 99 cent version of the Moog synth, the > Animoog. It will soon go up to 30 USD. It's incredible in that you can do > much more on this than with an original Minimoog. And it's MIDI compatible. > > Here's a great review, tutorial and intro: > > http://createdigitalmusic.com/2011/10/animoog-moogs-first-ipad-synth-in-videos-and-instrumental-use/ Cute but the Mini Moog is so dated. Most music programs come with banks of legacy synths including it. When I came back from TTC, a friend who operated a music store hired me to "hang out" in his store and help drummers and keyboard players. I actually sold more Mini Moogs than drums. With drums I was a local "fast gun" and with keyboards I just knew how to navigate the synth which was a little daunting to even experienced keyboardists. What pisses me about Android is they removed the full MIDI library as I have an app idea that requires it for real time controllable algorithmic music.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blues
I agree with you; lets make them happy again---but we should be careful, they cry so easily. http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=9F3dUbqtvdc From: Ravi Yogi To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 3:08:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blues And I can understand why Curtis feels so protective of him :-). He's just being a protective parent though setting a bad example to other patents..LOL.. Now Vaj is another story, he is just a crook :-) On Nov 2, 2011, at 3:03 PM, Ravi Yogi wrote: >Bob, > > >Sure he is..this message is typical of his. But I have looked at Barry's >pictures on FB, he looks pretty naive and innocent. So he may be emotionally a >child, come across as vicious, harsh and offensive but he seems pretty >harmless. > > >I'm surprised at the naïveté of some of the TM'ers and I can see why they feel >harmed by their involvement with cults and Gurus. > > >So I like having him here and making fun of him. > > > >On Nov 2, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Bob Price wrote: > > > >>Ravi, >> >>Was this King Baby's farewell speech? >> >>That was easy. >> >> >>From: turquoiseb >>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 10:34:01 AM >>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blues >> >>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" >> wrote: >>> >>> BTW from now on, any missile Barry lobs your way is hereby >>> labeled a bang flag on a toy gun, and I will delight in >>> pointing our whether it causes you to get "freaked" about >>> it. But only to help you improve your skills understanding >>> other people's POV here. >> >>BTW from now on I doubt I will be lobbing any >>even "bang flag" missiles her way, or Robin's, >>or Bob's. I've done the "setup" for this week's >>experiment, and now they are free to react as >>they wish. Judy has only one more post this week >>in which to do so, so we'll see how attached she >>is to holding a grudge when she returns next week. >> >>It's been fun "chumming the waters" a little >>this week, but a kind of fun I will have less >>time for soon, so don't hope for more of it. >> >>When it comes to the people I have taken "bang >>flag" potshots at, I have either made my case, >>or I have not. Unlike them, I don't feel that >>repeating it ad infinitum is going to convince >>anyone of anything. They are free to continue >>to try to make any case against me they wish, >>if they'd like. As if -- if my assessment of >>them is correct -- they have any choice. :-) >> >>I really am hoping to "step away from the news- >>group" a little. As you've probably noticed, >>there is little said here that interests me >>intellectually all that much these days; I just >>can't identify with much of it. So I have (mea >>culpa) tried to fill the "interest gap" by >>perversely pushing a few easily-pushed buttons. >>But there's really no challenge even in that >>any more, since the buttons are SO easily >>pushed. Better I should do like the more >>sensible posters here and just lay low until >>and if something is said that I actually >>find interesting. >> >>Or not. We'll see... >> >> >>
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blues
Ravi, Right on, do you we should stop teasing them? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laxyoaHOP1c&feature=related From: Ravi Yogi To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 3:03:57 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blues Bob, Sure he is..this message is typical of his. But I have looked at Barry's pictures on FB, he looks pretty naive and innocent. So he may be emotionally a child, come across as vicious, harsh and offensive but he seems pretty harmless. I'm surprised at the naïveté of some of the TM'ers and I can see why they feel harmed by their involvement with cults and Gurus. So I like having him here and making fun of him. On Nov 2, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Bob Price wrote: >Ravi, > >Was this King Baby's farewell speech? > >That was easy. > > >From: turquoiseb >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 10:34:01 AM >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blues > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: >> >> BTW from now on, any missile Barry lobs your way is hereby >> labeled a bang flag on a toy gun, and I will delight in >> pointing our whether it causes you to get "freaked" about >> it. But only to help you improve your skills understanding >> other people's POV here. > >BTW from now on I doubt I will be lobbing any >even "bang flag" missiles her way, or Robin's, >or Bob's. I've done the "setup" for this week's >experiment, and now they are free to react as >they wish. Judy has only one more post this week >in which to do so, so we'll see how attached she >is to holding a grudge when she returns next week. > >It's been fun "chumming the waters" a little >this week, but a kind of fun I will have less >time for soon, so don't hope for more of it. > >When it comes to the people I have taken "bang >flag" potshots at, I have either made my case, >or I have not. Unlike them, I don't feel that >repeating it ad infinitum is going to convince >anyone of anything. They are free to continue >to try to make any case against me they wish, >if they'd like. As if -- if my assessment of >them is correct -- they have any choice. :-) > >I really am hoping to "step away from the news- >group" a little. As you've probably noticed, >there is little said here that interests me >intellectually all that much these days; I just >can't identify with much of it. So I have (mea >culpa) tried to fill the "interest gap" by >perversely pushing a few easily-pushed buttons. >But there's really no challenge even in that >any more, since the buttons are SO easily >pushed. Better I should do like the more >sensible posters here and just lay low until >and if something is said that I actually >find interesting. > >Or not. We'll see... > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blues
And I can understand why Curtis feels so protective of him :-). He's just being a protective parent though setting a bad example to other patents..LOL.. Now Vaj is another story, he is just a crook :-) On Nov 2, 2011, at 3:03 PM, Ravi Yogi wrote: > Bob, > > Sure he is..this message is typical of his. But I have looked at Barry's > pictures on FB, he looks pretty naive and innocent. So he may be emotionally > a child, come across as vicious, harsh and offensive but he seems pretty > harmless. > > I'm surprised at the naïveté of some of the TM'ers and I can see why they > feel harmed by their involvement with cults and Gurus. > > So I like having him here and making fun of him. > > > On Nov 2, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Bob Price wrote: > >> >> Ravi, >> >> Was this King Baby's farewell speech? >> >> That was easy. >> >> >> From: turquoiseb >> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 10:34:01 AM >> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blues >> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" >> wrote: >> > >> > BTW from now on, any missile Barry lobs your way is hereby >> > labeled a bang flag on a toy gun, and I will delight in >> > pointing our whether it causes you to get "freaked" about >> > it. But only to help you improve your skills understanding >> > other people's POV here. >> >> BTW from now on I doubt I will be lobbing any >> even "bang flag" missiles her way, or Robin's, >> or Bob's. I've done the "setup" for this week's >> experiment, and now they are free to react as >> they wish. Judy has only one more post this week >> in which to do so, so we'll see how attached she >> is to holding a grudge when she returns next week. >> >> It's been fun "chumming the waters" a little >> this week, but a kind of fun I will have less >> time for soon, so don't hope for more of it. >> >> When it comes to the people I have taken "bang >> flag" potshots at, I have either made my case, >> or I have not. Unlike them, I don't feel that >> repeating it ad infinitum is going to convince >> anyone of anything. They are free to continue >> to try to make any case against me they wish, >> if they'd like. As if -- if my assessment of >> them is correct -- they have any choice. :-) >> >> I really am hoping to "step away from the news- >> group" a little. As you've probably noticed, >> there is little said here that interests me >> intellectually all that much these days; I just >> can't identify with much of it. So I have (mea >> culpa) tried to fill the "interest gap" by >> perversely pushing a few easily-pushed buttons. >> But there's really no challenge even in that >> any more, since the buttons are SO easily >> pushed. Better I should do like the more >> sensible posters here and just lay low until >> and if something is said that I actually >> find interesting. >> >> Or not. We'll see... >> >> > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blues
Bob, Sure he is..this message is typical of his. But I have looked at Barry's pictures on FB, he looks pretty naive and innocent. So he may be emotionally a child, come across as vicious, harsh and offensive but he seems pretty harmless. I'm surprised at the naïveté of some of the TM'ers and I can see why they feel harmed by their involvement with cults and Gurus. So I like having him here and making fun of him. On Nov 2, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Bob Price wrote: > Ravi, > > Was this King Baby's farewell speech? > > That was easy. > > > From: turquoiseb > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 10:34:01 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blues > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > BTW from now on, any missile Barry lobs your way is hereby > > labeled a bang flag on a toy gun, and I will delight in > > pointing our whether it causes you to get "freaked" about > > it. But only to help you improve your skills understanding > > other people's POV here. > > BTW from now on I doubt I will be lobbing any > even "bang flag" missiles her way, or Robin's, > or Bob's. I've done the "setup" for this week's > experiment, and now they are free to react as > they wish. Judy has only one more post this week > in which to do so, so we'll see how attached she > is to holding a grudge when she returns next week. > > It's been fun "chumming the waters" a little > this week, but a kind of fun I will have less > time for soon, so don't hope for more of it. > > When it comes to the people I have taken "bang > flag" potshots at, I have either made my case, > or I have not. Unlike them, I don't feel that > repeating it ad infinitum is going to convince > anyone of anything. They are free to continue > to try to make any case against me they wish, > if they'd like. As if -- if my assessment of > them is correct -- they have any choice. :-) > > I really am hoping to "step away from the news- > group" a little. As you've probably noticed, > there is little said here that interests me > intellectually all that much these days; I just > can't identify with much of it. So I have (mea > culpa) tried to fill the "interest gap" by > perversely pushing a few easily-pushed buttons. > But there's really no challenge even in that > any more, since the buttons are SO easily > pushed. Better I should do like the more > sensible posters here and just lay low until > and if something is said that I actually > find interesting. > > Or not. We'll see... > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Day That TMers Became Officially Crazy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote: > > "The movement belongs to those who move. Those who were stuck on the idea > that the movement and the TMO were ONLY about the 7-step program were, well, > stuck. I think M and TM were always a moving target about gateways to > consciousness and purifying collective consciousness, via a lot of different > avenues." BINGO ! The lazy ones refused to change and later, even to meditate. In fact many stopped TM because it brings about change. Can't have that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Day That TMers Became Officially Crazy
> > ...but somehow the TMO went 'bat-shit crazy' > > because you went over to work for Fred Lenz. LoL! > wayback71: > Richard, I doubt Barry will read or respond to > your post. > Barry reads every single post here, every single day. > But I think Barry was active in the TMO for > several years beyond 1972... > Maybe so, but I just thought it was funny when Barry said the TMO went bat-shit crazy and then Barry went over to the bat-shit crazy Lenz. LoL!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Steve Jobs diet quirks
On 11/02/2011 02:22 PM, Vaj wrote: > On Nov 2, 2011, at 5:08 PM, Bhairitu wrote: > >> Interesting article on Steve Jobs dietary quirks (not too unlike some >> quirks people have here) and comments by nutritional experts: >> http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/02/8598251-the-strange-eating-habits-of-steve-jobs > > Yeah, Jobs (whose strange health habits were fairly well known) reminds me a > lot of TM Org and other New Ages faddists: weird diets, odd supplementation > regimes, unusual approaches to disease and avoidance of modern mainstream > healthcare. Often these are taken to obsessive and excessive levels: worrying > about the latest-greatest supplements or dosing up on Indian or Chinese herbs > to the point of heavy-metal overload. "Modern mainstream healthcare" isn't very good when it comes to diet. Too many doctors want a "one diet fits all" approach and that won't work. And how many times have you heard as I have from air head nationalists "eat plenty of fruits and vegetables." Vegetables yes but fruits can cause blood sugar imbalances and need to be addressed with care. Doctors are lucky if they get one semester on nutrition. Probably the biggest influence on the body is what you eat daily. The ancients had a good handle on it be it Ayurveda or Chinese medicine. It's really nothing much more than biochemistry but as one former med student told me many med students find biochemistry challenging and have difficulty passing the course. Perhaps we should limit medicine to those with actually have a talent for it rather than those whose parents were doctors. > Jobs clearly signed his own death certificate with the strange idea that he > could force a rare form of pancreatic CA into remission through diet. > Occasionally you'll see someone who gets lucky with such an approach, but > almost invariably these types just suddenly disappear. Gone. I haven't checked into it yet but I heard a claim that he lived 8 years beyond diagnosis when 1 to 2 years is the average so some things he did might have helped. > The only good news in this case is now I may eventually get Flash on my > iPad…but otherwise what a waste of a life, all based on holding strange > untenable beliefs. You mean like I have on my Android tablet. :-D To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The iPad's $0.99 Moog synthesizer
If you have an iPad, don't miss the 99 cent version of the Moog synth, the Animoog. It will soon go up to 30 USD. It's incredible in that you can do much more on this than with an original Minimoog. And it's MIDI compatible. Here's a great review, tutorial and intro: http://createdigitalmusic.com/2011/10/animoog-moogs-first-ipad-synth-in-videos-and-instrumental-use/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blues
HA! King Baby! great band name too. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price wrote: > > Ravi, > > > > Was this King Baby's farewell speech? > > > That was easy. > > > > From: turquoiseb > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 10:34:01 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blues > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > BTW from now on, any missile Barry lobs your way is hereby > > labeled a bang flag on a toy gun, and I will delight in > > pointing our whether it causes you to get "freaked" about > > it. But only to help you improve your skills understanding > > other people's POV here. > > BTW from now on I doubt I will be lobbing any > even "bang flag" missiles her way, or Robin's, > or Bob's. I've done the "setup" for this week's > experiment, and now they are free to react as > they wish. Judy has only one more post this week > in which to do so, so we'll see how attached she > is to holding a grudge when she returns next week. > > It's been fun "chumming the waters" a little > this week, but a kind of fun I will have less > time for soon, so don't hope for more of it. > > When it comes to the people I have taken "bang > flag" potshots at, I have either made my case, > or I have not. Unlike them, I don't feel that > repeating it ad infinitum is going to convince > anyone of anything. They are free to continue > to try to make any case against me they wish, > if they'd like. As if -- if my assessment of > them is correct -- they have any choice. :-) > > I really am hoping to "step away from the news- > group" a little. As you've probably noticed, > there is little said here that interests me > intellectually all that much these days; I just > can't identify with much of it. So I have (mea > culpa) tried to fill the "interest gap" by > perversely pushing a few easily-pushed buttons. > But there's really no challenge even in that > any more, since the buttons are SO easily > pushed. Better I should do like the more > sensible posters here and just lay low until > and if something is said that I actually > find interesting. > > Or not. We'll see... > > > Â >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Steve Jobs diet quirks
On Nov 2, 2011, at 5:08 PM, Bhairitu wrote: > Interesting article on Steve Jobs dietary quirks (not too unlike some > quirks people have here) and comments by nutritional experts: > http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/02/8598251-the-strange-eating-habits-of-steve-jobs Yeah, Jobs (whose strange health habits were fairly well known) reminds me a lot of TM Org and other New Ages faddists: weird diets, odd supplementation regimes, unusual approaches to disease and avoidance of modern mainstream healthcare. Often these are taken to obsessive and excessive levels: worrying about the latest-greatest supplements or dosing up on Indian or Chinese herbs to the point of heavy-metal overload. Jobs clearly signed his own death certificate with the strange idea that he could force a rare form of pancreatic CA into remission through diet. Occasionally you'll see someone who gets lucky with such an approach, but almost invariably these types just suddenly disappear. Gone. The only good news in this case is now I may eventually get Flash on my iPad…but otherwise what a waste of a life, all based on holding strange untenable beliefs.
[FairfieldLife] Steve Jobs diet quirks
Interesting article on Steve Jobs dietary quirks (not too unlike some quirks people have here) and comments by nutritional experts: http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/02/8598251-the-strange-eating-habits-of-steve-jobs
[FairfieldLife] The Origin of the Universe and the Arrow of Time
The lecturer speculates as to what happened before the Big Bang. He states that there was a huge black empty space of nothingness. But since empty space has dark energy, this force eventually created the background for the Big Bang to occur. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEr-t17m2Fo&NR=1
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Day That TMers Became Officially Crazy
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 3:40 PM, turquoiseb wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall wrote: > > > > I worked on the Houston (Navasota, Grimes County) capital for > > room and board. And yes, shared an unheated cabin. Barhroom > > was the bushes outside. Yes, it gets cold in Texas during the > > Winter. Maharishi was absolutely right. The movement belongs > > to those who move large quantities of cash across national > > borders, undetected. > > I never went to any of the more modern TM hovels. > I used to teach a lot of residence courses at > Soboba (I think the name was) in southern CA, > and attended many courses at Cobb Mountain in > northern CA. The former didn't really have much > personality, but the latter did. It had been > some kind of camp or retreat facility before > the TMO acquired it, and I found it charming, > with its old clapboard cottages and rustic > camp-era dining/meeting hall. Plus, the fact > that most everyone was in a separate cottage > made it easier to fool around on ATR courses. :-) > > I attended many course at Cobb, including my ?flying? block. My flying block had a lot of live wires. The cabins closest to the main buildings were given to married, "senior" people. They brought with them the proper mixings for martinis and had cocktail hour before time to do evening program. I went back for many WPAs and the men often flew on what had been the dance floor. That place had been a really hopping place for Summers and especially the weekend. The dance floor was on springs, and yes, in typical TMO style, Cobb Mountain had a reputation for lots of alcohol flowing, lots of extramarital sex. Back to my flying block. We had a fiddler from Boston. When our mommies and daddies went to bed we had hoe downs outside the main buildings. A couple times we woke up the sidhi administrators who told us to cut out the dancing and go to bed. Cobb Mountain was in typical decay and the cabins were drafty as heck. And yes, we were within something like 1,500 feet of the tree line so it got cold, even in Spring and Fall.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Day That TMers Became Officially Crazy
;-)... From: turquoiseb To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 12:40:04 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Day That TMers Became Officially Crazy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall wrote: > > I worked on the Houston (Navasota, Grimes County) capital for > room and board. And yes, shared an unheated cabin. Barhroom > was the bushes outside. Yes, it gets cold in Texas during the > Winter. Maharishi was absolutely right. The movement belongs > to those who move large quantities of cash across national > borders, undetected. I never went to any of the more modern TM hovels. I used to teach a lot of residence courses at Soboba (I think the name was) in southern CA, and attended many courses at Cobb Mountain in northern CA. The former didn't really have much personality, but the latter did. It had been some kind of camp or retreat facility before the TMO acquired it, and I found it charming, with its old clapboard cottages and rustic camp-era dining/meeting hall. Plus, the fact that most everyone was in a separate cottage made it easier to fool around on ATR courses. :-) The worst facility experience I had, in retro- spect, was probably at Poland Springs, ME. I got to see the balance sheets for that one after the course was over. The TMO paid something like $15 per night per participant for the room, and was supposed to pay something like $10 per person per day for food. They charged us a great deal more than that for the rooms, and actually (according to the financial records for the course) spent less than $4 per person per day on food. Half of the fruit served to us at meals was rotten. In Europe most facilities were acceptable, because they were owned (and thus maintained) by someone other than the TMO. The minute they started buy- ing their own places, however, all concept of maintenance or improvement went in the toilet and they allowed the places to slide into dis- repair and in some cases public health hazard status. And they could do this because they knew that no one would ever complain; the course par- ticipants were too spaced out and guru-whipped to even *consider* complaining.
Re: [FairfieldLife] "Enlightened" and FFL, continued
I probably look at the show a little differently than you though they
are definitely lampooning zealousness. Dern would have her experience
from TM and probably Lynch's zealousness while Mike White has a whole
different angle. His dad was a closet gay writer for people like Pat
Robertson and so probably had Jayzuz thrust down his throat. Then there
is the lampooning of corporate America. Even the kayaking thing is a bit
lampooning and the MC Gainey ("Lost") character as a former TV show
writer ripping Hollywood. And of course corporate America is or was
very into these kayaking things as "team building" events. Never
participated in one though the company would have some. It would have
been a good way to kill myself. ;-)
And definitely Amy's mom and ex have issues so it is fair to delve into
those too. Not to mention her co-workers.
Problem is that it is not a "ha-ha" funny show. That may limit it to
one season. OTOH, "Hung" usually delivers some yucks and this last
episode had some good ones.
As for much of anyone seeing these series outside of an HBO subscription
or an illegal torrent they have to wait until dumb ass Time-Warner
releases them to disc or preferably streaming. Today there is an
article about declining revenue at Time-Warner's home video division at
News.com:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-20128929-261/time-warners-home-video-revenue-plunges
For some reason their execs overvalue their products. When Hollywood
Video was still around he told me that Warner did not allow them to sell
the HBO series at the end of a rental run but had to send them back.
I'm even sure they were allowed to sell Warner DVDs due to the revenue
sharing agreement. Fact is a lot of other studios don't bother with
such nonsense.
Earlier this year when the 1930's film "Gabriel Over the White House"
was mentioned on Roger Ebert's "At the Movies" it was not available from
Netflix or anywhere for that matter. I was available for $20 as a
one-off DVD from Warner Classics. They have WMV streaming version for
$15 which you "own" in that you can play it any time you want. But I
couldn't play it on my BD player so opted for the DVD instead. I really
wasn't interested in buying the disc but just watching it. A Netflix
streaming version would have been just fine or second to that a DVD
rental. But this title never was mass produced on DVD, just VHS.
Pricing content is a high art form and something I think that MBA
schooled execs are clueless about. Even my client I have done some game
ports for when I asked how some of the titles were selling because IMO
he has them priced too high told me he perceived their value at that.
Problem is the public doesn't. And that's who you need to please to
sell anything. That doesn't mean you have to give it away either.
On 11/02/2011 02:41 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> To some extent, I've been less charmed by the latest two episodes of
> HBO's "Enlightened" while watching it, but in retrospect I've realized
> that Mike White and Laura Dern *are* still dealing with material that is
> relevant to FFL and to the cult of spiritual narcissism; it's just more
> subtle than in the first 2 episodes.
>
> It's now been a week since Amy has returned from her idyllic (although
> enforced) retreat in Hawaii. Her epiphany -- whatever it was -- had
> faded in significance, and now she's focused on trying to still "live an
> enlightened life" out in the real world. In Ep4, confronted with her
> first weekend, she has to figure out what to do with it.
>
> She first decides to spend it meditating, which gives us a classic (and
> hilarious) opportunity to listen to her inner thoughts" in pretty much
> the classic TMer meditation. That is, all thoughts, no silence, all
> trivia and self-involvement. Her first thoughts are about being 40 and
> having wrinkles. Then she "comes back to the mantra" and tries to
> visualize something more positive, and lapses into thoughts of a happier
> time. But then, inspired by visions of that happy time, she sets out to
> recreate this fantasy happier time. And that's where the trouble begins.
>
> She phones her ex-husband in the middle of the night, waking him, and
> tells him that he's just got to go off river rafting with her. At 7:00
> AM the next morning. And here's where the connection to TM and to
> cultism comes in; she doesn't *ask* him whether he wants to go, she
> tells him that he needs to, and makes the reservations herself. Being
> essentially a nice guy, he thinks she's crazy, but agrees to go anyway.
> They get there, are out on the river, and for a few minutes both are
> feeling a little of the fantasy happiness she was seeking.
>
> But then reality intrudes. She finds that he brought along a bag full of
> drugs and, offended in the way that only a New Age twif can be offended,
> throws them away. He goes ballistic, and storms away, her following. As
> he finds a new stash and gets high, she harangues h
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Day That TMers Became Officially Crazy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall wrote: > > I worked on the Houston (Navasota, Grimes County) capital for > room and board. And yes, shared an unheated cabin. Barhroom > was the bushes outside. Yes, it gets cold in Texas during the > Winter. Maharishi was absolutely right. The movement belongs > to those who move large quantities of cash across national > borders, undetected. I never went to any of the more modern TM hovels. I used to teach a lot of residence courses at Soboba (I think the name was) in southern CA, and attended many courses at Cobb Mountain in northern CA. The former didn't really have much personality, but the latter did. It had been some kind of camp or retreat facility before the TMO acquired it, and I found it charming, with its old clapboard cottages and rustic camp-era dining/meeting hall. Plus, the fact that most everyone was in a separate cottage made it easier to fool around on ATR courses. :-) The worst facility experience I had, in retro- spect, was probably at Poland Springs, ME. I got to see the balance sheets for that one after the course was over. The TMO paid something like $15 per night per participant for the room, and was supposed to pay something like $10 per person per day for food. They charged us a great deal more than that for the rooms, and actually (according to the financial records for the course) spent less than $4 per person per day on food. Half of the fruit served to us at meals was rotten. In Europe most facilities were acceptable, because they were owned (and thus maintained) by someone other than the TMO. The minute they started buy- ing their own places, however, all concept of maintenance or improvement went in the toilet and they allowed the places to slide into dis- repair and in some cases public health hazard status. And they could do this because they knew that no one would ever complain; the course par- ticipants were too spaced out and guru-whipped to even *consider* complaining.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blues
Ravi, Was this King Baby's farewell speech? That was easy. From: turquoiseb To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 10:34:01 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blues --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > BTW from now on, any missile Barry lobs your way is hereby > labeled a bang flag on a toy gun, and I will delight in > pointing our whether it causes you to get "freaked" about > it. But only to help you improve your skills understanding > other people's POV here. BTW from now on I doubt I will be lobbing any even "bang flag" missiles her way, or Robin's, or Bob's. I've done the "setup" for this week's experiment, and now they are free to react as they wish. Judy has only one more post this week in which to do so, so we'll see how attached she is to holding a grudge when she returns next week. It's been fun "chumming the waters" a little this week, but a kind of fun I will have less time for soon, so don't hope for more of it. When it comes to the people I have taken "bang flag" potshots at, I have either made my case, or I have not. Unlike them, I don't feel that repeating it ad infinitum is going to convince anyone of anything. They are free to continue to try to make any case against me they wish, if they'd like. As if -- if my assessment of them is correct -- they have any choice. :-) I really am hoping to "step away from the news- group" a little. As you've probably noticed, there is little said here that interests me intellectually all that much these days; I just can't identify with much of it. So I have (mea culpa) tried to fill the "interest gap" by perversely pushing a few easily-pushed buttons. But there's really no challenge even in that any more, since the buttons are SO easily pushed. Better I should do like the more sensible posters here and just lay low until and if something is said that I actually find interesting. Or not. We'll see...
[FairfieldLife] worse than Mao
Stalin maybe, Hitler too; all variants on the theme of evil, so take your pick. But in terms of numbers, especially as a percentage of the world's population: first would be the Mongol invasion(s). http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/5/48012.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Day That TMers Became Officially Crazy
Ha-ha! It was always pretty rustic. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 1:03 PM, whynotnow7 wrote: > > > "The movement belongs to those who move. Those who were stuck on the idea > > that the movement and the TMO were ONLY about the 7-step program were, > > well, stuck. I think M and TM were always a moving target about gateways to > > consciousness and purifying collective consciousness, via a lot of > > different avenues." > > > > Exactly. I was initiated in late 75, then in 78 I worked for the Movement > > in LManor, for $5 per month and an unheated cabin, just after it became a > > men's only facility, working in the kitchen and the A of E press for a > > year. We were hosting Guv training courses with the flying technique then > > too - lots of whooping and hollering! The staff meditators went on > > residence courses one weekend a month and normally had a 2x2 daily > > schedule, but the siddhis were taught in blocks then, and I wasn't selected > > for the first block. > > > > Came back to work for the Movement in mid 79 to mid 80, about 100 miles > > east of Kansas City, MO, building a 30 room residence course and flying > > hall facility, farming 14 acres of organic strawberries, and tending a 10 > > acre apple orchard and pressing facility next door. Got the Siddhis as > > work/study, with a $25/mo. stipend, living out of an unheated garage, and > > then a trailer. Didn't pay any taxes that year either...:-) > > > > Then one more time around 82, I went to work for the Missouri facility > > again, decided I wanted to be a teacher, applied for TTC, then took a much > > closer look at what the Movement was, and how different it was from where I > > wanted to be, so I left, and that was that. > > > > I continued to do the TM-Sid program for another 12 years, went on my last > > course in the early 90's - that big DC one, then did TM until about March > > of this year, when the practice just fell off and wasn't missed (though > > always available). > > > > > > > I worked on the Houston (Navasota, Grimes County) capital for room and > board. And yes, shared an unheated cabin. Barhroom was the bushes > outside. Yes, it gets cold in Texas during the Winter.Maharishi was > absolutely right. The movement belongs to those who move large quantities > of cash across national borders, undetected. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > On 11/01/2011 04:10 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > Dear curtis, I know what blues is. But hearing what you manage to shriek > > about MMM, the latest him being worse than Mao, your music simply SOUNDS > > like Hillbillymusic, in my ears. > > > > http://tinyurl.com/67kzho3 http://tinyurl.com/5s59bod > Musicologists believe that the blues originated from the Muslim call to > prayer which uses a similar scale. > > "Hillbilly music" was influenced by gospel music some of which has some > roots in the blues. "Hillbilly" or country western was popularized back > in the 1940s when the ASCAP strike occurred and radio stations needed > material that wasn't ASCAP and formed BMI. BMI signed folk, blue grass > and country groups. > > Maybe you need bigger ears. Funny thing is I have been noticing that > the younger generation in general has smaller ears than a lot of older > folks including baby boomers. Don't know that means but it is an > interesting phenomena. :-D Interesting observation. Perhaps I simply don't favor how curtis sings very much, it reminds me of some greadful hillbillies I once heard. And perhaps, when he goes on and on how terrible Maharishi was or the TMO is it reminds me of those gruesome sounds. Or call med prejudiced :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Day That TMers Became Officially Crazy
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 1:03 PM, whynotnow7 wrote: > "The movement belongs to those who move. Those who were stuck on the idea > that the movement and the TMO were ONLY about the 7-step program were, > well, stuck. I think M and TM were always a moving target about gateways to > consciousness and purifying collective consciousness, via a lot of > different avenues." > > Exactly. I was initiated in late 75, then in 78 I worked for the Movement > in LManor, for $5 per month and an unheated cabin, just after it became a > men's only facility, working in the kitchen and the A of E press for a > year. We were hosting Guv training courses with the flying technique then > too - lots of whooping and hollering! The staff meditators went on > residence courses one weekend a month and normally had a 2x2 daily > schedule, but the siddhis were taught in blocks then, and I wasn't selected > for the first block. > > Came back to work for the Movement in mid 79 to mid 80, about 100 miles > east of Kansas City, MO, building a 30 room residence course and flying > hall facility, farming 14 acres of organic strawberries, and tending a 10 > acre apple orchard and pressing facility next door. Got the Siddhis as > work/study, with a $25/mo. stipend, living out of an unheated garage, and > then a trailer. Didn't pay any taxes that year either...:-) > > Then one more time around 82, I went to work for the Missouri facility > again, decided I wanted to be a teacher, applied for TTC, then took a much > closer look at what the Movement was, and how different it was from where I > wanted to be, so I left, and that was that. > > I continued to do the TM-Sid program for another 12 years, went on my last > course in the early 90's - that big DC one, then did TM until about March > of this year, when the practice just fell off and wasn't missed (though > always available). > > > I worked on the Houston (Navasota, Grimes County) capital for room and board. And yes, shared an unheated cabin. Barhroom was the bushes outside. Yes, it gets cold in Texas during the Winter.Maharishi was absolutely right. The movement belongs to those who move large quantities of cash across national borders, undetected.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > You are more oblivious to other people's contexts than > anyone else on FFL.> I don't believe my history of getting to know people here supports this claim Judy. I think you are just trying to say something mean and got a little desperate about it. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote > > > > > And you know what? I've been pondering what Robin has > > > > > said about your appropriation of context. I think this > > > > > is an example. You have terrible difficulty perceiving > > > > > any context but your own. Not that we all aren't limited > > > > > to some degree in perceiving another person's context, > > > > > but most of us do take a stab at it, if only so that we > > > > > can more effectively argue our own perspective. You > > > > > rarely even try. > > > > > > > > When it concerns a misrepresentation of my own POV I am not > > > > open to considering what point you think I was making. And > > > > if you are making a case for having a superior ability for > > > > understanding my context this would be a counterexample for > > > > that claim. You have attempted to reframe the discussion > > > > about whether or not I was "comparing" Maharishi and Mao, > > > > which was never in question, of course I was. > > > > > > This is what you said to Nabby: > > > > > > Usually I would > > > > > > > > correct you concerning this vicious lie pointing out that > > > > > > > > my point about Mao had to do with the unreliability of > > > > > > > > people's subjective darshon experiences > > > > > > No "of course I was" about it. You were telling Nabby > > > that you *hadn't* been comparing MMY and Mao, that > > > your point about Mao had to do only with the darshan > > > experiences of his followers. > > > > Wow you really can't get out of your own context to > > understand my point can you? That was my central point > > about Mao and of course it is a comparison, but not in > > the way Nabbie was implying. There was no comparison I > > have ever made that could be summed up in the misleading > > phrase "worse than Mao". > > Yes, as I've acknowledged how many times now, including > in my original response, where I *documented* that you > hadn't said MMY was "worse than Mao"? > > You miss the context *even when it's right in front > of your nose*, even when you *quote* it: > > > > > Nor did you contradict Nabby's assertion that you'd > > > said MMY was "worse than Mao." You didn't even mention > > > it. *I* was the one who mentioned it, calling it a "lie." > > > I even *documented* that it was a lie by quoting you to > > > the effect that MMY was "a dim bulb" by comparison with > > > Mao. > > > > > > > But that comparison did not have the odious and practically > > > > insane suggestion that a pop guru was worse than the single > > > > greatest mass murder in history whose status in buttholery > > > > might only be challenged by Stalin. > > > > > > Right. That's a given, and I acknowledged and documented > > > it, as noted. Nabby's gun said "Bang!" and you freaked. > > > > Ah the use of spin is so delightful, isn't it? "Freaked' did I? > > Says Curtis, focusing on one word and completely missing > the context of what I wrote. Except in this case I think > it's just a dance move to *avoid* the context. > > > > > So no, I am not open to the bullshit context you are > > > > attempting and that is not evidence of my lack of ability > > > > to understand another person's POV. > > > > > > Well, yes, it is, because you've completely missed my > > > context in this post as well. > > > > As have you Judy. It is the nature of having different POVs > > and is not a special case of you being better at it than I am. > > You are more oblivious to other people's contexts than > anyone else on FFL. > > I got your context. That's what I was *tweaking*, doncha > know. > > > > > The question I have for you is why you thought you would > > > > get away with such a weak case while demonstrating the very > > > > lack of perceptiveness you are accusing me of? You haven't > > > > demonstrated that you get my context, quite the opposite. > > > > > > You've just proved my (and Robin's) point in spades, but > > > you're incapable of recognizing it. > > > > > > You weren't even going after Nabby in your initial post, > > > BTW; you were going after me *via* Nabby. But you were so > > > intent on getting me that you lost focus and shot yourself > > > in the foot instead. > > > > Funny how you missed how I cleverly did correct Nabbie in > > my response while simultaneously exposing your double > > standards for correcting blatant lies about a person. > > And because you were trying to
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote > > > > And you know what? I've been pondering what Robin has > > > > said about your appropriation of context. I think this > > > > is an example. You have terrible difficulty perceiving > > > > any context but your own. Not that we all aren't limited > > > > to some degree in perceiving another person's context, > > > > but most of us do take a stab at it, if only so that we > > > > can more effectively argue our own perspective. You > > > > rarely even try. > > > > > > When it concerns a misrepresentation of my own POV I am not > > > open to considering what point you think I was making. And > > > if you are making a case for having a superior ability for > > > understanding my context this would be a counterexample for > > > that claim. You have attempted to reframe the discussion > > > about whether or not I was "comparing" Maharishi and Mao, > > > which was never in question, of course I was. > > > > This is what you said to Nabby: > > > > Usually I would > > > > > > > correct you concerning this vicious lie pointing out that > > > > > > > my point about Mao had to do with the unreliability of > > > > > > > people's subjective darshon experiences > > > > No "of course I was" about it. You were telling Nabby > > that you *hadn't* been comparing MMY and Mao, that > > your point about Mao had to do only with the darshan > > experiences of his followers. > > Wow you really can't get out of your own context to > understand my point can you? That was my central point > about Mao and of course it is a comparison, but not in > the way Nabbie was implying. There was no comparison I > have ever made that could be summed up in the misleading > phrase "worse than Mao". Yes, as I've acknowledged how many times now, including in my original response, where I *documented* that you hadn't said MMY was "worse than Mao"? You miss the context *even when it's right in front of your nose*, even when you *quote* it: > > Nor did you contradict Nabby's assertion that you'd > > said MMY was "worse than Mao." You didn't even mention > > it. *I* was the one who mentioned it, calling it a "lie." > > I even *documented* that it was a lie by quoting you to > > the effect that MMY was "a dim bulb" by comparison with > > Mao. > > > > > But that comparison did not have the odious and practically > > > insane suggestion that a pop guru was worse than the single > > > greatest mass murder in history whose status in buttholery > > > might only be challenged by Stalin. > > > > Right. That's a given, and I acknowledged and documented > > it, as noted. Nabby's gun said "Bang!" and you freaked. > > Ah the use of spin is so delightful, isn't it? "Freaked' did I? Says Curtis, focusing on one word and completely missing the context of what I wrote. Except in this case I think it's just a dance move to *avoid* the context. > > > So no, I am not open to the bullshit context you are > > > attempting and that is not evidence of my lack of ability > > > to understand another person's POV. > > > > Well, yes, it is, because you've completely missed my > > context in this post as well. > > As have you Judy. It is the nature of having different POVs > and is not a special case of you being better at it than I am. You are more oblivious to other people's contexts than anyone else on FFL. I got your context. That's what I was *tweaking*, doncha know. > > > The question I have for you is why you thought you would > > > get away with such a weak case while demonstrating the very > > > lack of perceptiveness you are accusing me of? You haven't > > > demonstrated that you get my context, quite the opposite. > > > > You've just proved my (and Robin's) point in spades, but > > you're incapable of recognizing it. > > > > You weren't even going after Nabby in your initial post, > > BTW; you were going after me *via* Nabby. But you were so > > intent on getting me that you lost focus and shot yourself > > in the foot instead. > > Funny how you missed how I cleverly did correct Nabbie in > my response while simultaneously exposing your double > standards for correcting blatant lies about a person. And because you were trying to use Nabby to get at me, you missed both shots. > But I forgive you because I know you are very good at taking > another person's perspective here. > > BTW from now on, any missile Barry lobs your way is hereby > labeled a bang flag on a toy gun Which label would, of course, in most if not all cases be thoroughly dishonest. No surprise there; you're blind to Barry's context as well. (BTW, did you notice how he's claiming to have "done the setup for this week's experiment"? Did he explain to you in private beforehand what he was going
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Enlightened" and FFL, continued
Ok hope the dust settled, let's remember Barry's suggestions to act like mature adults. Hold it, huh? what? Barry started all this? OMG !!! Oops.., never mind please ignore me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis & Robin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra wrote: > > > > > And I am sure, at least in the case of myself, Curtis > > > > would admit this to you. (But I have a hunch he wants > > > > to cover off for Barry, and he will only tacitly > > > > indicate that I am not far wrong in what I have said.) > > > > > > Bingo. He already did, actually, in a post chiding > > > Bhairitu for his inability to appreciate your dialogue: > > > > I was chiding him for equating my interest in long > > discussions with a pathology. I was in no way chiding > > him for being unable to appreciate our dialogue. > > Um, OK. You chided him for saying nasty things > about you because he couldn't "get beyond his > personal preferences," i.e., was unable to > appreciate your dialogue. ME: I'll just keep putting the snipped line out as long as you keep misrepresenting this conversation. Me clarifying to verify that her intentions are dishonest in this exchange: "Isn't it good enough that you just don't dig what we are serving up? Not your cup of tea." He didn't have to accuse me of pathology because my exchange with Robin was not his cup of tea. I don't care if now one buy Robin reads our exchanges but was requesting that he not use the exchanges that he doesn't prefer as evidence of me being neurotic. I get along fine with Bhairitu so I felt like my objection would be received how I meant it. But you knew all this. I guess we don't share the same ethical standards. Or would you like to make a case that you aren't too good at analyzing all this words stuff? > > So if he wasn't able to appreciate your dialogue, > he should have kept his mouth shut, right? ME: I didn't appreciate his accusation. I was responding. > > Wait. What would it have looked like, I wonder, > what would he have said, if he *could* get beyond > his personal preferences? What might he have said > in that case, instead of equating your interest > in long discussions with a pathology? > > I get it now. He might have said you were a saint-- > the "Mother Teresa of the Internet," for example-- > while equating *Robin's* interest in long discussions > with a pathology, one for which you had great > compassion, to "provide these oh-so-needy people > with the attention that they so desperately seek." > > As long as it's Robin who is said to have "an > almost pathological need to use as many words as > humanly possible to convince others of that > [self-]importance, all while coming up with a > near-absolute dearth of creative ideas (or even > original ideas)," and you're feigning interest > in what he says out of your saintly commitment > to "selfless service," that's fine with you. ME: Robin is defending himself with Barry just fine. Are you now advocating that I now enter Robin's battle with Barry like you wanted me to do with your own? Cuz he isn't a good worder, and can't pull it together for himself perhaps? > > That's what "getting beyond personal preferences" > might look like, as far as you're concerned. > > Right? ME: Hi Sour Plum. Haven't seen you lately. > > I've misjudged you, Curtis. I thought that by > chiding Bhairitu, you were sending a subtle signal > to Barry that he too ought to get beyond his > personal preferences. I should have known better. > > > I don't expect anyone to give a shit about our > > discussion. I would prefer that people didn't try > > to use it as evidence that I have an "overstimulated > > intellect" or too much "vatta" which he went on to > > describe as in modern terms as neurotic. > > Right. Fine for somebody to try to use your > discussion with Robin as evidence that *Robin* > is neurotic, as long as you're portrayed as so > saintly as to admire the running sores of the > lepers with whom you compassionately engage. ME: Oh the busy dealings of the Sour Plum. Not enough issues of her own to fix. So very busy is her body. ME:Oh here it is, out of context and so forlorn. The clarifying section that you have not responded to. I'm sure you will here... > > > But of course you knew this which is why you > > selectively snipped the sentence before your quote > > when I made that clear: > > > > "Isn't it good enough that you just don't dig what > > we are serving up? Not your cup of tea." > > My apologies. I genuinely did not understand > the difference you perceived between what Barry > said (dumping on Robin and exalting you) and what > Bhairitu said (dumping on both of you). I still > don't quite get, however, why the sentence I > snipped should have conveyed that difference. ME: Neither Barry nor I believe I am a saint, it was parody poking fun, using me as a device. He was actually taking a shot at Robin which Robin handled nicely himself without the meddlin
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > BTW from now on, any missile Barry lobs your way is hereby > labeled a bang flag on a toy gun, and I will delight in > pointing our whether it causes you to get "freaked" about > it. But only to help you improve your skills understanding > other people's POV here. BTW from now on I doubt I will be lobbing any even "bang flag" missiles her way, or Robin's, or Bob's. I've done the "setup" for this week's experiment, and now they are free to react as they wish. Judy has only one more post this week in which to do so, so we'll see how attached she is to holding a grudge when she returns next week. It's been fun "chumming the waters" a little this week, but a kind of fun I will have less time for soon, so don't hope for more of it. When it comes to the people I have taken "bang flag" potshots at, I have either made my case, or I have not. Unlike them, I don't feel that repeating it ad infinitum is going to convince anyone of anything. They are free to continue to try to make any case against me they wish, if they'd like. As if -- if my assessment of them is correct -- they have any choice. :-) I really am hoping to "step away from the news- group" a little. As you've probably noticed, there is little said here that interests me intellectually all that much these days; I just can't identify with much of it. So I have (mea culpa) tried to fill the "interest gap" by perversely pushing a few easily-pushed buttons. But there's really no challenge even in that any more, since the buttons are SO easily pushed. Better I should do like the more sensible posters here and just lay low until and if something is said that I actually find interesting. Or not. We'll see...
[FairfieldLife] Re: "Enlightened" and FFL, continued
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra wrote: > I think it a brilliantbut in the literal sense, mistakenimpression of me, > that you would not be surprised if, when you met me, I was dressed as a > woman. In a sense this is an insight of a kind about me which I find quite > remarkable. But it is metaphorically truewhereas in actual fact I am as > straight as they come. As I am sure your anthropological research proved. I appreciate that you get the spirit of the speculation. It was not even about your orientation but that I considered you such a unique human with such an open ability to dramatically reveal your own uniqueness here, that lead to express it that way. It was literally true that it would not have surprised me or made me miss a beat if you had shown up in a woman's dress or a full gorilla suit or painted blue. You are an original intelligence here. And it is rare that I find someone as willing to go with the metaphorical flow as we have in our posts. Thanks for understanding my intention. We can revisit the topic of your POV concerning my ability to see your POV I hope. I'll give it some thought, and perhaps you can give me some assistance in seeing what you meant. I know for sure that if I am to understand this point it will be from your friendly perspective. > > Curtis, > > I don't mind being called gay. I am not gay, but so what? I detected from > Barry's post the implication that he was in possession of 'the smoking gun'; > that is, you had divulged to him that you were in possession of the forensics > which would make of my gayness a fact. > > If I were gay, and you had concrete evidence of this, no problem. Although I > would be a hypocrite and a liar for using all that outrageous irony with > Barry in response to this insinuation. > > If Barry never intended to imply that he knows "the real source" of this > characterization; that it was all just as you say, then I have misinterpreted > the degree of specificity in Barry intent in that post. He actedor so it > seemed to meas if he and you knew what 'really was the truth'. > > So I apologize to Barry (and to yourself) for raising the notion of Iago > here. I was wrong. And I accept your explanation entirely. > > I think it a brilliantbut in the literal sense, mistakenimpression of me, > that you would not be surprised if, when you met me, I was dressed as a > woman. In a sense this is an insight of a kind about me which I find quite > remarkable. But it is metaphorically truewhereas in actual fact I am as > straight as they come. As I am sure your anthropological research proved. > > You are an even more complex and versatile fellow than I thought. Imagine > that: you all the while knew so much more about me than I assumedfrom how > you wrote to methat you did. Curtis, he is up the moment; or at least he's > better be. > > Barry's negative response to me, I now take as very serious and intense. I > thought before it was somewhat petty and mindless. But he is very sincere in > his revulsion of Robin. I get this. And I think it very significant. And I am > glad he has his supporters who write to him offline that they agree with his > take on me. That's good to know. > > For myself, writing here on FFL, I have only one aim: to understand myself > better; to clarify my own philosophy; to learn from the tension I sense as > others take positions that are in opposition to what I believe; and to tease > out reality (in the form of these other postsmost notably your own) such > that I can use these cues to somehow get to know where my destiny is taking > me. > > My motives in all that I have written on FFL are honest and without prejudice. > > I find it simply nonplussing that someone (like Barry, and a few others > evidently) can misconstrue this and declare: You are a fucking pain in the > neck (I switched anatomically there, for obvious reasons), Robin. > > I don't doubt this is Barry's experience; it is just that it seems so wide of > the mark. > > It might just be happening for me to shut up for awhile after this. > > I appreciate your explaining yourself. And of course I exonerate you. > > Robin > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > Robin, > > > > Well this is all getting a bit Jr High but I am happy to explain further > > once you read the full line on my post to Barry. > > > > In the beginning of our conversations I just assumed you were gay. I > > believed the Lady Gaga discussions were code like "friend of Dorthy." Over > > time I began to question my assumptions and once we emailed each other > > outside the more dramatic context of FFL I decided that I had been wrong. > > But it was never a putdown on you to have thought that. We both have > > dramatic sides that could lead to people thinking I was gay. I couldn't > > care less. > > > > In the context of Barry calling you a drama
[FairfieldLife] Re: "Enlightened" and FFL, continued
Barry tried the same thing with me, the unsolicited email on the side. I didn't go for it either. I wonder how many others he's done this to? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price wrote: > > > > Nice try, no cigar (remember Groncho). > > > > Post your direct email to me on FFL, or at least send it to > > Curtis who may have the cajones to post it. > > Wow. He just snipped this part of your post entirely: > > "And while you're at it, please post the email you sent > directly to me yesterday (unsolicited since its been 50 > years since i hung out with eight year old's) that > portrays Curtis as quite the hypocrite (which I don't > believe for a minute)." > > > > > > From: turquoiseb > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 9:30:09 AM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Enlightened" and FFL, continued > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price wrote: > > > > > > Yes, how fickle you are. > > > > > > This is so much fun; > > > > Gawd, dude. You're as into "gotcha" consciousness as Judy. > > > > > ...now that you've admitted you read all of Robin's posts, > > > why don't you come clean bout the hours and hours you spend > > > reading all of Judy's posts and composing your bank shot > > > responses to everyone. > > > > Because it isn't true. I can honestly state that > > Robin's writing style gives me the heebie-jeebies > > such that I haven't read a single one of his posts > > in its entirety. Judy's I ignore for other reasons. > > But there really isn't any *reason* to read more. > > > > Anyone who can't tell what they're on about from > > the few sentences one can't avoid in Yahoo's message > > view or from a quick skim just doesn't have very > > good reading skills. Heck, such a poor reader might > > even believe that hacks like Truman Capote are good > > writers.  :-) > > > > Sorry you've gotten your buttons pushed so thor- > > oughly, dude, but really, they're YOUR buttons. > > > > > >  > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote > > > And you know what? I've been pondering what Robin has > > > said about your appropriation of context. I think this > > > is an example. You have terrible difficulty perceiving > > > any context but your own. Not that we all aren't limited > > > to some degree in perceiving another person's context, > > > but most of us do take a stab at it, if only so that we > > > can more effectively argue our own perspective. You > > > rarely even try. > > > > When it concerns a misrepresentation of my own POV I am not > > open to considering what point you think I was making. And > > if you are making a case for having a superior ability for > > understanding my context this would be a counterexample for > > that claim. You have attempted to reframe the discussion > > about whether or not I was "comparing" Maharishi and Mao, > > which was never in question, of course I was. > > This is what you said to Nabby: > > Usually I would > > > > > > correct you concerning this vicious lie pointing out that > > > > > > my point about Mao had to do with the unreliability of > > > > > > people's subjective darshon experiences > > No "of course I was" about it. You were telling Nabby > that you *hadn't* been comparing MMY and Mao, that > your point about Mao had to do only with the darshan > experiences of his followers. Wow you really can't get out of your own context to understand my point can you? That was my central point about Mao and of course it is a comparison, but not in the way Nabbie was implying. There was no comparison I have ever made that could be summed up in the misleading phrase "worse than Mao". And here is where I have a bit of an upper hand since I am the one inhabiting my own skull and know what it is I mean by what I express here. The darshon point is key to how I view the world. The other comparisons of lifestyle are minor points of how alpha chimps abuse power even if they have holiness in their self appointed name. You are trying to pull a trees for the forest Judy game and it is not going to work concerning the meaning of my own points. > > Nor did you contradict Nabby's assertion that you'd > said MMY was "worse than Mao." You didn't even mention > it. *I* was the one who mentioned it, calling it a "lie." > I even *documented* that it was a lie by quoting you to > the effect that MMY was "a dim bulb" by comparison with > Mao. > > > But that comparison did not have the odious and practically > > insane suggestion that a pop guru was worse than the single > > greatest mass murder in history whose status in buttholery > > might only be challenged by Stalin. > > Right. That's a given, and I acknowledged and documented > it, as noted. Nabby's gun said "Bang!" and you freaked. Ah the use of spin is so delightful, isn't it? "Freaked' did I? > > > So no, I am not open to the bullshit context you are > > attempting and that is not evidence of my lack of ability > > to understand another person's POV. > > Well, yes, it is, because you've completely missed my > context in this post as well. As have you Judy. It is the nature of having different POVs and is not a special case of you being better at it than I am. > > > The question I have for you is why you thought you would > > get away with such a weak case while demonstrating the very > > lack of perceptiveness you are accusing me of? You haven't > > demonstrated that you get my context, quite the opposite. > > You've just proved my (and Robin's) point in spades, but > you're incapable of recognizing it. > > You weren't even going after Nabby in your initial post, > BTW; you were going after me *via* Nabby. But you were so > intent on getting me that you lost focus and shot yourself > in the foot instead. Funny how you missed how I cleverly did correct Nabbie in my response while simultaneously exposing your double standards for correcting blatant lies about a person. But I forgive you because I know you are very good at taking another person's perspective here. BTW from now on, any missile Barry lobs your way is hereby labeled a bang flag on a toy gun, and I will delight in pointing our whether it causes you to get "freaked" about it. But only to help you improve your skills understanding other people's POV here. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Day That TMers Became Officially Crazy
"The movement belongs to those who move. Those who were stuck on the idea that the movement and the TMO were ONLY about the 7-step program were, well, stuck. I think M and TM were always a moving target about gateways to consciousness and purifying collective consciousness, via a lot of different avenues." Exactly. I was initiated in late 75, then in 78 I worked for the Movement in LManor, for $5 per month and an unheated cabin, just after it became a men's only facility, working in the kitchen and the A of E press for a year. We were hosting Guv training courses with the flying technique then too - lots of whooping and hollering! The staff meditators went on residence courses one weekend a month and normally had a 2x2 daily schedule, but the siddhis were taught in blocks then, and I wasn't selected for the first block. Came back to work for the Movement in mid 79 to mid 80, about 100 miles east of Kansas City, MO, building a 30 room residence course and flying hall facility, farming 14 acres of organic strawberries, and tending a 10 acre apple orchard and pressing facility next door. Got the Siddhis as work/study, with a $25/mo. stipend, living out of an unheated garage, and then a trailer. Didn't pay any taxes that year either...:-) Then one more time around 82, I went to work for the Missouri facility again, decided I wanted to be a teacher, applied for TTC, then took a much closer look at what the Movement was, and how different it was from where I wanted to be, so I left, and that was that. I continued to do the TM-Sid program for another 12 years, went on my last course in the early 90's - that big DC one, then did TM until about March of this year, when the practice just fell off and wasn't missed (though always available). -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote: > > > > > > > > So you keep talking about Maharishi in great analysis and detail to > > > > keep from thinking about how Lenz fucked up your head and heart? > > > > > > > > That's what it looks like. Freddy was exceptionally gifted and > > > > insecure. Probably suffering parental rejection, so he got together a > > > > few of you and made sure HE was the boss, HE was the Guru. You kissed > > > > HIS butt, but you get the picture- you lived it. Now instead of coming > > > > to grips with it, you deflect everything about Lenz onto Maharishi. > > > > > > > > Free clue: Grow a pair and start living in the present and/or see a > > > > therapist about the Lenz shit and clear yourself out. Its kind of > > > > pathetic to see you in this state, all blind to it and misguidedly > > > > throwing all of your pain on Maharishi. After all, Lenz was the > > > > mentally ill one, the crazy one, the one you can't grow past even now. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote: > > > > > > > > > > This is not a counter rebuttal, simply another view, a point for > > > > > further discussion and examination. > > > > > > > > > > The tipping point was when a portion (I think it was 11.73% but > > > > > others may quibble on this)of the full time community -- and some > > > > > ardent part-timers, kept clung to the notion that M. and his TMOs > > > > > were all about, only about, the seven step program for teaching 20 > > > > > min 2x / day. > > > > > > > > > > A parallel is Apple and Steve Jobs. When he went more digital > > > > > (i-tunes, i-phone) and creating superb customer experiences (Apple > > > > > stores) etc, many of the faithful said, "Huh, what does this have to > > > > > do with selling Macs" and "What possible effect can a company with 3% > > > > > market share have on digital music". Steve's vision was that Apple > > > > > was a "digital gateway company" (or something along those lines with > > > > > a core emphasis on superb design. > > > > > > > > > > Apple would not be the company with the largest market capitalization > > > > > in the world (subject to check) and Steve Jobs would not be revered > > > > > as the CEO of the decade(s), if he limited his vision to selling > > > > > Macs. > > > > > > > > > > M. and his TMOs, in my view, were / are about being a "Consciousness > > > > > gateway org" -- not limited to 20 min 2x, but having 50 product lines > > > > > that enable Consciousness to shine in all parts of a persons life. > > > > > Yet many whined, "when will we get OUR old TMO back, 20 min 2x". > > > > > "When will M come to his senses and do what he is supposed to do, > > > > > teach TM". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The sense of near-desperation with which some on this forum are > > > > > > hoping > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: "Enlightened" and FFL, continued
Curtis, I don't mind being called gay. I am not gay, but so what? I detected from Barry's post the implication that he was in possession of 'the smoking gun'; that is, you had divulged to him that you were in possession of the forensics which would make of my gayness a fact. If I were gay, and you had concrete evidence of this, no problem. Although I would be a hypocrite and a liar for using all that outrageous irony with Barry in response to this insinuation. If Barry never intended to imply that he knows "the real source" of this characterization; that it was all just as you say, then I have misinterpreted the degree of specificity in Barry intent in that post. He actedor so it seemed to meas if he and you knew what 'really was the truth'. So I apologize to Barry (and to yourself) for raising the notion of Iago here. I was wrong. And I accept your explanation entirely. I think it a brilliantbut in the literal sense, mistakenimpression of me, that you would not be surprised if, when you met me, I was dressed as a woman. In a sense this is an insight of a kind about me which I find quite remarkable. But it is metaphorically truewhereas in actual fact I am as straight as they come. As I am sure your anthropological research proved. You are an even more complex and versatile fellow than I thought. Imagine that: you all the while knew so much more about me than I assumedfrom how you wrote to methat you did. Curtis, he is up the moment; or at least he's better be. Barry's negative response to me, I now take as very serious and intense. I thought before it was somewhat petty and mindless. But he is very sincere in his revulsion of Robin. I get this. And I think it very significant. And I am glad he has his supporters who write to him offline that they agree with his take on me. That's good to know. For myself, writing here on FFL, I have only one aim: to understand myself better; to clarify my own philosophy; to learn from the tension I sense as others take positions that are in opposition to what I believe; and to tease out reality (in the form of these other postsmost notably your own) such that I can use these cues to somehow get to know where my destiny is taking me. My motives in all that I have written on FFL are honest and without prejudice. I find it simply nonplussing that someone (like Barry, and a few others evidently) can misconstrue this and declare: You are a fucking pain in the neck (I switched anatomically there, for obvious reasons), Robin. I don't doubt this is Barry's experience; it is just that it seems so wide of the mark. It might just be happening for me to shut up for awhile after this. I appreciate your explaining yourself. And of course I exonerate you. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > Robin, > > Well this is all getting a bit Jr High but I am happy to explain further once > you read the full line on my post to Barry. > > In the beginning of our conversations I just assumed you were gay. I believed > the Lady Gaga discussions were code like "friend of Dorthy." Over time I > began to question my assumptions and once we emailed each other outside the > more dramatic context of FFL I decided that I had been wrong. But it was > never a putdown on you to have thought that. We both have dramatic sides > that could lead to people thinking I was gay. I couldn't care less. > > In the context of Barry calling you a drama-queen I don't believe he meant it > as a gay slur, he calls Jim that all the time and he is well known as hetero. > Perhaps in later posts he went further I don't know. > > But please don't hold it against me ( unfortunate phrase I know) if in the > beginning I speculated about your orientation. It was sincere confusion. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra wrote: > > > > And because you're one of my buds and all, I'll go even further. First, > > I'll avoid giving away the real source of the "Robin wears women's > > clothing when he posts" line that someone found so offensive here. > > Second, I'll promise not to reveal the details of any of those private > > email exchanges that some on the vigilante squads have accused us > > of having behind their backs in our continuing attempts to tell lies > > about them, TM, Maharishi, and the American Way. Third, I'll > > listen to more of the Delta Blues from time to time, even though > > it's not my favorite kinda music. [BW: November 2, 2011] > > > > RESPONSE: Am I to take from this disclosure by B, Curtis, that you have > > falsely and knowingly implied there is a real source to this "Robin wears > > women's clothing when he posts"? It sounds as if you have stated to B that > > you indeed have evidence of my more than feminine side. I challenge you to > > deny this in the strongest terms, since it is absolutely false. And I > > accuse youif you insinuated to B that you did in fact possess such
[FairfieldLife] Re: "Enlightened" and FFL, continued
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > and especially don't want it used outside the intended context to make me > > look like a dick. > > > > > > > That is totally over the top. I mean Curtis, you seem like a nice guy, > > maybe even an awesome guy, but for Barry to equate you with Shiva, and to > > worship you as Shiva is just bonkers on Barry's part. I mean maybe you are > > like up to par with the younger, less significant Ashwin twin, or one of > > the minor ten Adhytias, possible Vayau on a bad day, but Shiva no way. > > (Despite your consorts' oft screamed tribute "oh, my God!!") > > If you are asking if you can pour warm ghee on it, the answer is yes, but > please make sure it isn't too hot. > As fans of Janis (and who is not) used to offer her bottles of Southern Comfort that she would imbib in stage (loosens the vocal chords, even one of our famed sidha ex rockers said sipping before a concert was golden), I hear that some of your fans, often of the blonde and long legged part of the human genome, are prone to offer you jars of warm ghee on stage (well, sidewalk) hoping you will self anoint your self during or after your songs. Hope springs eternal for them. Just make sure no one is smoking withing 10 feet. That could be a disaster -- and could inspire a round of self-imolations among the OWS crowd, remenicent of Saigaon in 1963. Your sacrafice might actually be the trigger of the Grand phase transition. (I know life would change for you.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: "Enlightened" and FFL, continued
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price wrote: > > Nice try, no cigar (remember Groncho). > > Post your direct email to me on FFL, or at least send it to > Curtis who may have the cajones to post it. Wow. He just snipped this part of your post entirely: "And while you're at it, please post the email you sent directly to me yesterday (unsolicited since its been 50 years since i hung out with eight year old's) that portrays Curtis as quite the hypocrite (which I don't believe for a minute)." > > From: turquoiseb > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 9:30:09 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Enlightened" and FFL, continued > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price wrote: > > > > Yes, how fickle you are. > > > > This is so much fun; > > Gawd, dude. You're as into "gotcha" consciousness as Judy. > > > ...now that you've admitted you read all of Robin's posts, > > why don't you come clean bout the hours and hours you spend > > reading all of Judy's posts and composing your bank shot > > responses to everyone. > > Because it isn't true. I can honestly state that > Robin's writing style gives me the heebie-jeebies > such that I haven't read a single one of his posts > in its entirety. Judy's I ignore for other reasons. > But there really isn't any *reason* to read more. > > Anyone who can't tell what they're on about from > the few sentences one can't avoid in Yahoo's message > view or from a quick skim just doesn't have very > good reading skills. Heck, such a poor reader might > even believe that hacks like Truman Capote are good > writers.  :-) > > Sorry you've gotten your buttons pushed so thor- > oughly, dude, but really, they're YOUR buttons. > > >  >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Enlightened" and FFL, continued
Nice try, no cigar (remember Groncho). Post your direct email to me on FFL, or at least send it to Curtis who may have the cajones to post it. From: turquoiseb To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 9:30:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Enlightened" and FFL, continued --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price wrote: > > Yes, how fickle you are. > > This is so much fun; Gawd, dude. You're as into "gotcha" consciousness as Judy. > ...now that you've admitted you read all of Robin's posts, > why don't you come clean bout the hours and hours you spend > reading all of Judy's posts and composing your bank shot > responses to everyone. Because it isn't true. I can honestly state that Robin's writing style gives me the heebie-jeebies such that I haven't read a single one of his posts in its entirety. Judy's I ignore for other reasons. But there really isn't any *reason* to read more. Anyone who can't tell what they're on about from the few sentences one can't avoid in Yahoo's message view or from a quick skim just doesn't have very good reading skills. Heck, such a poor reader might even believe that hacks like Truman Capote are good writers. :-) Sorry you've gotten your buttons pushed so thor- oughly, dude, but really, they're YOUR buttons.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kansas Rural Students Done Good
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 12:26 PM, jr_esq wrote: > IMO, there is an advantage to having a relatively stable community, with a > homogenious population group, and common cultural set of values. This can > be done in the rural areas of the country. > > In cosmopolitan cities, however, this milieu cannot be maintained since > there are other people from different cultural backgrounds. Specifically, > many of the kids live in bilingual homes, where some parents cannot even > speak Eglish. As such, city schools have a unique set of challenges and do > not perform as well in scholastic achievements. > > > Except, unless the ethnic groups are Oriental. Very high study ethic. After dinner all the children gather around the dinner table and do their homework. Many of these student's parents can't speaking English. It's cultural, Dude.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote > > And you know what? I've been pondering what Robin has > > said about your appropriation of context. I think this > > is an example. You have terrible difficulty perceiving > > any context but your own. Not that we all aren't limited > > to some degree in perceiving another person's context, > > but most of us do take a stab at it, if only so that we > > can more effectively argue our own perspective. You > > rarely even try. > > When it concerns a misrepresentation of my own POV I am not > open to considering what point you think I was making. And > if you are making a case for having a superior ability for > understanding my context this would be a counterexample for > that claim. You have attempted to reframe the discussion > about whether or not I was "comparing" Maharishi and Mao, > which was never in question, of course I was. This is what you said to Nabby: Usually I would > > > > > correct you concerning this vicious lie pointing out that > > > > > my point about Mao had to do with the unreliability of > > > > > people's subjective darshon experiences No "of course I was" about it. You were telling Nabby that you *hadn't* been comparing MMY and Mao, that your point about Mao had to do only with the darshan experiences of his followers. Nor did you contradict Nabby's assertion that you'd said MMY was "worse than Mao." You didn't even mention it. *I* was the one who mentioned it, calling it a "lie." I even *documented* that it was a lie by quoting you to the effect that MMY was "a dim bulb" by comparison with Mao. > But that comparison did not have the odious and practically > insane suggestion that a pop guru was worse than the single > greatest mass murder in history whose status in buttholery > might only be challenged by Stalin. Right. That's a given, and I acknowledged and documented it, as noted. Nabby's gun said "Bang!" and you freaked. > So no, I am not open to the bullshit context you are > attempting and that is not evidence of my lack of ability > to understand another person's POV. Well, yes, it is, because you've completely missed my context in this post as well. > The question I have for you is why you thought you would > get away with such a weak case while demonstrating the very > lack of perceptiveness you are accusing me of? You haven't > demonstrated that you get my context, quite the opposite. You've just proved my (and Robin's) point in spades, but you're incapable of recognizing it. You weren't even going after Nabby in your initial post, BTW; you were going after me *via* Nabby. But you were so intent on getting me that you lost focus and shot yourself in the foot instead.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Enlightened" and FFL, continued
Curtis, I love you bro, but you need to keep up. As happens on FFL; the subject has moved on---from sexual orientation and homophobia---(although Barry's: "There's a black guy in my kids school" defense---is fun to watch), and we're now discussing hypocrisy or, if you prefer, duplicity (pick your poison). From: curtisdeltablues To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 9:15:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Enlightened" and FFL, continued Robin, Well this is all getting a bit Jr High but I am happy to explain further once you read the full line on my post to Barry. In the beginning of our conversations I just assumed you were gay. I believed the Lady Gaga discussions were code like "friend of Dorthy." Over time I began to question my assumptions and once we emailed each other outside the more dramatic context of FFL I decided that I had been wrong. But it was never a putdown on you to have thought that. We both have dramatic sides that could lead to people thinking I was gay. I couldn't care less. In the context of Barry calling you a drama-queen I don't believe he meant it as a gay slur, he calls Jim that all the time and he is well known as hetero. Perhaps in later posts he went further I don't know. But please don't hold it against me ( unfortunate phrase I know) if in the beginning I speculated about your orientation. It was sincere confusion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra wrote: > > And because you're one of my buds and all, I'll go even further. First, > I'll avoid giving away the real source of the "Robin wears women's > clothing when he posts" line that someone found so offensive here. > Second, I'll promise not to reveal the details of any of those private > email exchanges that some on the vigilante squads have accused us > of having behind their backs in our continuing attempts to tell lies > about them, TM, Maharishi, and the American Way. Third, I'll > listen to more of the Delta Blues from time to time, even though > it's not my favorite kinda music. [BW: November 2, 2011] > > RESPONSE: Am I to take from this disclosure by B, Curtis, that you have > falsely and knowingly implied there is a real source to this "Robin wears > women's clothing when he posts"? It sounds as if you have stated to B that > you indeed have evidence of my more than feminine side. I challenge you to > deny this in the strongest terms, since it is absolutely false. And I accuse > you—if you insinuated to B that you did in fact possess such evidence—of > being a liar and a deceiver. A real Iago kind of guy. > > What's the deal here, Curtis? Did you let B know that his suspicions about me > were founded in fact? And you have have access to this fact? > > This, if it is true, is the ultimate deal-breaker. And it dishonours your > name—unless you can, of course, explain yourself. > > Robin > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > Barry, > > > > > > > -- comes in. This place has been a hotbed of people asserting that they > > not only have the right to try to change people they don't like, they've > > been asserting that it's some kind of ethical or moral duty, and that > > anyone who *doesn't* "do as they do" and try to impose their view of how > > things should be on others is ethically deficient. > > > > Bzt. As Curtis has pointed out so well, this just does not compute. > > The only environment in which such a 'tude *does* compute is a cult, > > especially one that has a history of treating its members like children > > who "need" to be corrected by their betters. In other words, the TM > > movement. > > > > Such a sense of entitlement has no place on a forum composed of adults. > > Adults don't really need anyone to "stand up for them" when someone says > > something about them that they might not agree with. Adults suck it up > > and realize that the other person's view of them is just as valid as > > their own. They don't go around trying to impose their values on other > > people; they just do what adults do, try to do their best to live up to > > their own values, and allow others to do the same. Groups can't become > > cults if the people in them act like adults. They can only become cults > > if most of them act like children, and as if the gurus and the fellow > > cultists around them trying to make them "more like them" are right.> > > > > Hey Barry, > > > > Hey listen, uh...I've been hearing some things from people that you said > > some things that they don't like and found offensive...and since you and I > > get along here pretty well...uh I was wondering if you could uh > > do..er...not do...say,,,I not mean say anything that people might find > > offensive here? Now I read your first post to Robin where you called him a > > drama queen and accused him of acting as if he wanted us to treat him as a > > special person and you
[FairfieldLife] Dutch Psychologist faked at least 30 papers
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/achenblog/post/diederik-stapel-the-lying-dutchman/2011/11/01/gIQA86XOdM_blog.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: "Enlightened" and FFL, continued
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > Robin, > > Well this is all getting a bit Jr High but I am happy to explain further once > you read the full line on my post to Barry. > > In the beginning of our conversations I just assumed you were gay. I believed > the Lady Gaga discussions were code like "friend of Dorthy." Over time I > began to question my assumptions and once we emailed each other outside the > more dramatic context of FFL I decided that I had been wrong. But it was > never a putdown on you to have thought that. Why would thinking someone gay, or transgender, be a put down? Its like we are living in Don Draper days, only the subhumans are no longer women or blacks but humans with a different orientation than than those making the slurs and put downs. And wearing womens' clothes? All of the women I see day to day are generally dressed in shorts and t-shirts and sandals in the summer, and jeans and non-gender specific shirts in the winter. Some do wear shoes that make them appear a bit taller, hiking boots, but they are not like pink hiking boots. Am I a cross dresser if I dress like that? (Next you are going to tell me I can't wear my powdered wig! As if our founding fathers were not balsey enough for you.) We both have dramatic sides that could lead to people thinking I was gay. I couldn't care less. > > In the context of Barry calling you a drama-queen I don't believe he meant it > as a gay slur, he calls Jim that all the time and he is well known as hetero. > Perhaps in later posts he went further I don't know. > > But please don't hold it against me ( unfortunate phrase I know) if in the > beginning I speculated about your orientation. It was sincere confusion. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra wrote: > > > > And because you're one of my buds and all, I'll go even further. First, > > I'll avoid giving away the real source of the "Robin wears women's > > clothing when he posts" line that someone found so offensive here. > > Second, I'll promise not to reveal the details of any of those private > > email exchanges that some on the vigilante squads have accused us > > of having behind their backs in our continuing attempts to tell lies > > about them, TM, Maharishi, and the American Way. Third, I'll > > listen to more of the Delta Blues from time to time, even though > > it's not my favorite kinda music. [BW: November 2, 2011] > > > > RESPONSE: Am I to take from this disclosure by B, Curtis, that you have > > falsely and knowingly implied there is a real source to this "Robin wears > > women's clothing when he posts"? It sounds as if you have stated to B that > > you indeed have evidence of my more than feminine side. I challenge you to > > deny this in the strongest terms, since it is absolutely false. And I > > accuse youif you insinuated to B that you did in fact possess such > > evidenceof being a liar and a deceiver. A real Iago kind of guy. > > > > What's the deal here, Curtis? Did you let B know that his suspicions about > > me were founded in fact? And you have have access to this fact? > > > > This, if it is true, is the ultimate deal-breaker. And it dishonours your > > nameunless you can, of course, explain yourself. > > > > Robin > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > Barry, > > > > > > > > > > > -- comes in. This place has been a hotbed of people asserting that they > > > not only have the right to try to change people they don't like, they've > > > been asserting that it's some kind of ethical or moral duty, and that > > > anyone who *doesn't* "do as they do" and try to impose their view of how > > > things should be on others is ethically deficient. > > > > > > Bzt. As Curtis has pointed out so well, this just does not compute. > > > The only environment in which such a 'tude *does* compute is a cult, > > > especially one that has a history of treating its members like children > > > who "need" to be corrected by their betters. In other words, the TM > > > movement. > > > > > > Such a sense of entitlement has no place on a forum composed of adults. > > > Adults don't really need anyone to "stand up for them" when someone says > > > something about them that they might not agree with. Adults suck it up > > > and realize that the other person's view of them is just as valid as > > > their own. They don't go around trying to impose their values on other > > > people; they just do what adults do, try to do their best to live up to > > > their own values, and allow others to do the same. Groups can't become > > > cults if the people in them act like adults. They can only become cults > > > if most of them act like children, and as if the gurus and the fellow > > > cultists around them trying to make them "more like them" are right.> > > > > > > Hey Barry, > > > > > > Hey listen, uh...I've been hearing some things fro
[FairfieldLife] Re: "Enlightened" and FFL, continued
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price wrote: > > Yes, how fickle you are. > > This is so much fun; Gawd, dude. You're as into "gotcha" consciousness as Judy. > ...now that you've admitted you read all of Robin's posts, > why don't you come clean bout the hours and hours you spend > reading all of Judy's posts and composing your bank shot > responses to everyone. Because it isn't true. I can honestly state that Robin's writing style gives me the heebie-jeebies such that I haven't read a single one of his posts in its entirety. Judy's I ignore for other reasons. But there really isn't any *reason* to read more. Anyone who can't tell what they're on about from the few sentences one can't avoid in Yahoo's message view or from a quick skim just doesn't have very good reading skills. Heck, such a poor reader might even believe that hacks like Truman Capote are good writers. :-) Sorry you've gotten your buttons pushed so thor- oughly, dude, but really, they're YOUR buttons.
[FairfieldLife] Re: "Enlightened" and FFL, continued
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > and especially don't want it used outside the intended context to make me > look like a dick. > > > > That is totally over the top. I mean Curtis, you seem like a nice guy, maybe > even an awesome guy, but for Barry to equate you with Shiva, and to worship > you as Shiva is just bonkers on Barry's part. I mean maybe you are like up to > par with the younger, less significant Ashwin twin, or one of the minor ten > Adhytias, possible Vayau on a bad day, but Shiva no way. (Despite your > consorts' oft screamed tribute "oh, my God!!") If you are asking if you can pour warm ghee on it, the answer is yes, but please make sure it isn't too hot. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kansas Rural Students Done Good
IMO, there is an advantage to having a relatively stable community, with a homogenious population group, and common cultural set of values. This can be done in the rural areas of the country. In cosmopolitan cities, however, this milieu cannot be maintained since there are other people from different cultural backgrounds. Specifically, many of the kids live in bilingual homes, where some parents cannot even speak Eglish. As such, city schools have a unique set of challenges and do not perform as well in scholastic achievements. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 3:37 PM, John wrote: > > > They're scoring on tests better than the world competition. > > > > > > http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/tiny-rural-kansas-district-students-performing-global-competition-195446967.html#more-17478 > > > > > This is a shock? There are pretty traditional schools in many farm states > and little towns. With schools which still teach Latin and Greek. I went > to a high school which hired the best teachers money could get. I wondered > if there was a law about teachers working within 60 miles of where they > lived. I didn't realize at the time that it was something special to have > teachers who were scholars in Chemistry or Latin or English Lit, with > masters to prove it and, incidentally, they had some education credits > under their belt. This was a working class school system mostly and the > parents' and students' emphasis was on making something of ourselves. And > indeed we did. When students graduated out of our college prep track we > had our pick of colleges. An amazing number of National Merit scholars, > perfect SATs and on and on. I later found out the paddling was the norm > in the other surrounding school districts. We never heard of such a > thing. Yeah, we cut up a little but a look from a teacher and it stopped. > Then and there. There's no need for diversity training, no need for touchy > feely courses, no need for no child left behind, a laptop in ever student's > hands. We went on to prestigious school and just had books. We developed > our sense of self worth thru scholarship, athletics, community service and, > yes, home ec. > > It's the attitude of the parents which matters most. The parents instill > the need for learning or the need to be litigious. But we just can't or > don't want to grok that. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: "Enlightened" and FFL, continued
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > My apologies, Accepted you will note in retrospect that > 1) I never named the source of the remark The context was obvious and Robin immediate caught it. and 2) never > said that it was the only such remark. (It wasn't...at > least one other person made a similar comment before I > echoed it.) Hey, you outted me and I had to explain myself about my own confusion about Robin in the beginning. I was happier just rolling with my corrected view of him. I suspect this is going to kill all the gay-ntastic joking that we have been doing, but oh well. > > That said, I do apologize, and agree that any comment > you might have made was "early on," before you got into > deeper conversations with the guy. And you are welcome > to your impressions of him; I just have different ones. > > *That* said, and if there is any passive aggressive > intention involved on my part, it was to see how both > Bob and Robin react to learning that the image of Robin > sitting around in drag writing to FFL wasn't my invention? > > My intent was not to reveal any dickness on your part, > but on theirs. As you and most people here probably know > (but possibly not them, because they're both relative > newbies), I've lived in towns that are 40% gay, worked > for companies in which all employees other than myself > were gay, and am counted by my gay friends as one of > the least homophobic people they've ever met. What I > am is a sucker for metaphors that capture a particular > type of human behavior and a particular style of bad > writing. I still believe that the posting-in-drag > metaphor is right on. At least one person here agreed > publicly, and a couple more did in email responses. > But YMMV, and I don't want to push the metaphor on you > or anyone else if you disagree with it. I just stick > to my guns when it comes to my right to use it. The metaphor worked. I just feel that it is unfair to expose things in private emails out of context. The context was loving toward Robin and it came off as judgmental without correction. But I appreciate your owning it and would like to go back to our TM instructions: "Everything we learn in private, we keep private." Not because the view I expressed about Robin to you is different from what I express to him, they were not. But because you were using the metaphor in a very different way with different intentions. Thanks,now lets snuff out these joints, get out of this middle school bathroom and get out there for recess to see how Betty-May's bulbs are growing in that manly way we do that lets everyone know that we were in the same bathroom stall for the last 15 minutes doing only manly things. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > Curtis, because you're one of my homeboys and we like a lot of the > > > same things and all, I'll take your advice and do everything you say > > > in this post. I'll do this knowing that it won't change a damned thing, > > > and that the Spiritual Vigilantes (had to find a new name for them as > > > a performing group since there are now more than 3 of them and thus > > > "the Pips" is no longer appropriate) will keep up the same act anyway. > > > > > > And because you're one of my buds and all, I'll go even further. First, > > > I'll avoid giving away the real source of the "Robin wears women's > > > clothing when he posts" line that someone found so offensive here. > > > > ME: > > > > That was a bit of passive aggressive private conversation betrayal Barry, > > what's up with that? > > > > The line you are referring to from a private email in the middle of July > > was: "But I had a good time uncovering his personal world like an > > anthropologist and I felt genuine affection and compassion for the guy. > > It would not surprise me in the least if on meeting him he was dressed as a > > woman." > > > > It reflected the context of a lot of emphasis on Lady Gaga in our > > discussions which could be taken as code, and I was genuinely wondering. > > My amended view of his orientation came as a result of personal emails. > > And it was not meant as a putdown, but as my perspective that I was dealing > > with a person who lives very far outside the box. And I still feel that > > way about Robin, although not in this specific way. > > > > So I guess the gang has uncovered their cherished goal of getting me to > > sincerely correct your behavior about something Barry. I would appreciate > > if you kept the contents of our private emails between us, and especially > > don't want it used outside the intended context to make me look like a dick. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: "Enlightened" and FFL, continued
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > and especially don't want it used outside the intended context to make me look like a dick. > That is totally over the top. I mean Curtis, you seem like a nice guy, maybe even an awesome guy, but for Barry to equate you with Shiva, and to worship you as Shiva is just bonkers on Barry's part. I mean maybe you are like up to par with the younger, less significant Ashwin twin, or one of the minor ten Adhytias, possible Vayau on a bad day, but Shiva no way. (Despite your consorts' oft screamed tribute "oh, my God!!")
[FairfieldLife] Re: "Enlightened" and FFL, continued
My apologies, although you will note in retrospect that 1) I never named the source of the remark, and 2) never said that it was the only such remark. (It wasn't...at least one other person made a similar comment before I echoed it.) That said, I do apologize, and agree that any comment you might have made was "early on," before you got into deeper conversations with the guy. And you are welcome to your impressions of him; I just have different ones. *That* said, and if there is any passive aggressive intention involved on my part, it was to see how both Bob and Robin react to learning that the image of Robin sitting around in drag writing to FFL wasn't my invention? My intent was not to reveal any dickness on your part, but on theirs. As you and most people here probably know (but possibly not them, because they're both relative newbies), I've lived in towns that are 40% gay, worked for companies in which all employees other than myself were gay, and am counted by my gay friends as one of the least homophobic people they've ever met. What I am is a sucker for metaphors that capture a particular type of human behavior and a particular style of bad writing. I still believe that the posting-in-drag metaphor is right on. At least one person here agreed publicly, and a couple more did in email responses. But YMMV, and I don't want to push the metaphor on you or anyone else if you disagree with it. I just stick to my guns when it comes to my right to use it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > Curtis, because you're one of my homeboys and we like a lot of the > > same things and all, I'll take your advice and do everything you say > > in this post. I'll do this knowing that it won't change a damned thing, > > and that the Spiritual Vigilantes (had to find a new name for them as > > a performing group since there are now more than 3 of them and thus > > "the Pips" is no longer appropriate) will keep up the same act anyway. > > > > And because you're one of my buds and all, I'll go even further. First, > > I'll avoid giving away the real source of the "Robin wears women's > > clothing when he posts" line that someone found so offensive here. > > ME: > > That was a bit of passive aggressive private conversation betrayal Barry, > what's up with that? > > The line you are referring to from a private email in the middle of July was: > "But I had a good time uncovering his personal world like an anthropologist > and I felt genuine affection and compassion for the guy. It would not > surprise me in the least if on meeting him he was dressed as a woman." > > It reflected the context of a lot of emphasis on Lady Gaga in our discussions > which could be taken as code, and I was genuinely wondering. My amended view > of his orientation came as a result of personal emails. And it was not meant > as a putdown, but as my perspective that I was dealing with a person who > lives very far outside the box. And I still feel that way about Robin, > although not in this specific way. > > So I guess the gang has uncovered their cherished goal of getting me to > sincerely correct your behavior about something Barry. I would appreciate if > you kept the contents of our private emails between us, and especially don't > want it used outside the intended context to make me look like a dick.
[FairfieldLife] Re: "Enlightened" and FFL, continued
Robin, Well this is all getting a bit Jr High but I am happy to explain further once you read the full line on my post to Barry. In the beginning of our conversations I just assumed you were gay. I believed the Lady Gaga discussions were code like "friend of Dorthy." Over time I began to question my assumptions and once we emailed each other outside the more dramatic context of FFL I decided that I had been wrong. But it was never a putdown on you to have thought that. We both have dramatic sides that could lead to people thinking I was gay. I couldn't care less. In the context of Barry calling you a drama-queen I don't believe he meant it as a gay slur, he calls Jim that all the time and he is well known as hetero. Perhaps in later posts he went further I don't know. But please don't hold it against me ( unfortunate phrase I know) if in the beginning I speculated about your orientation. It was sincere confusion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra wrote: > > And because you're one of my buds and all, I'll go even further. First, > I'll avoid giving away the real source of the "Robin wears women's > clothing when he posts" line that someone found so offensive here. > Second, I'll promise not to reveal the details of any of those private > email exchanges that some on the vigilante squads have accused us > of having behind their backs in our continuing attempts to tell lies > about them, TM, Maharishi, and the American Way. Third, I'll > listen to more of the Delta Blues from time to time, even though > it's not my favorite kinda music. [BW: November 2, 2011] > > RESPONSE: Am I to take from this disclosure by B, Curtis, that you have > falsely and knowingly implied there is a real source to this "Robin wears > women's clothing when he posts"? It sounds as if you have stated to B that > you indeed have evidence of my more than feminine side. I challenge you to > deny this in the strongest terms, since it is absolutely false. And I accuse > youif you insinuated to B that you did in fact possess such evidenceof > being a liar and a deceiver. A real Iago kind of guy. > > What's the deal here, Curtis? Did you let B know that his suspicions about me > were founded in fact? And you have have access to this fact? > > This, if it is true, is the ultimate deal-breaker. And it dishonours your > nameunless you can, of course, explain yourself. > > Robin > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > Barry, > > > > > > > -- comes in. This place has been a hotbed of people asserting that they > > not only have the right to try to change people they don't like, they've > > been asserting that it's some kind of ethical or moral duty, and that > > anyone who *doesn't* "do as they do" and try to impose their view of how > > things should be on others is ethically deficient. > > > > Bzt. As Curtis has pointed out so well, this just does not compute. > > The only environment in which such a 'tude *does* compute is a cult, > > especially one that has a history of treating its members like children > > who "need" to be corrected by their betters. In other words, the TM > > movement. > > > > Such a sense of entitlement has no place on a forum composed of adults. > > Adults don't really need anyone to "stand up for them" when someone says > > something about them that they might not agree with. Adults suck it up > > and realize that the other person's view of them is just as valid as > > their own. They don't go around trying to impose their values on other > > people; they just do what adults do, try to do their best to live up to > > their own values, and allow others to do the same. Groups can't become > > cults if the people in them act like adults. They can only become cults > > if most of them act like children, and as if the gurus and the fellow > > cultists around them trying to make them "more like them" are right.> > > > > Hey Barry, > > > > Hey listen, uh...I've been hearing some things from people that you said > > some things that they don't like and found offensive...and since you and I > > get along here pretty well...uh I was wondering if you could uh > > do..er...not do...say,,,I not mean say anything that people might find > > offensive here? Now I read your first post to Robin where you called him a > > drama queen and accused him of acting as if he wanted us to treat him as a > > special person and you really let him have it and said that you were not > > going to treat him that way and that he is boring to you. Robin responded > > and I guess you had a few dustups after that because apparently some people > > here believe you were "sadistic" and "offensive" in those posts. > > > > ow as you know I've been having fun in long discussions with Robin so I > > seem to have a different opinion of him and since we are friends and all I > > was just thinking that it is probably my right to ask you to think mo
