date:20111230

Sure Emily, I will share my experiences now.
But first, your posting less is not a joy to me. I don't believe you are
an attention slut like King Baby, posting on multiple forums, so I would
hope you continue to post, I'm sure your daughters would be fine with
that. (Doesn't parenting end when kids become teens? I guess not for
Mothers huh?..:-)).
OK back to the topic, on fear, death, dying. I know you had asked me
about my suicide experience a while back and I'm going to address that
as well since it is related.
Growing up I was always against suicide, since I had watched my mom's
struggles, took her pain. I saved her life when she took 40 Valiums by
giving her salt water, told her it was Glucose water, so she spat most
of it. I so loved her, was attached to her that I was able to completely
let go of her once my hormones kicked in. I know she was terribly
disappointed and hurt because of my behavior because she expected me to
take personal care of her and I just abandoned her for my ex. She really
loved me, I never gave her any trouble, ate, drank whatever she gave me,
did all my homework, always ranked first in my school, I would sleep
next to her till I was 10, I would massage her feet. She never even
raised her voice against me, even if she said something I deemed was
objectionable I would go on a hunger strike till she pacified me for at
least half-hour :-).
So it was shocking and impulsive that I decided to end it all on Oct 31,
2005. I was so attached to my ex and the kids but she made my life
unbearable with her, I couldn't fathom living without her so I just said
to hell with it. I did my job so thoroughly that there was no chance of
surviving, how I did and survived with 5 days in the hospital is a story
and miracle in itself (for another day..:-)).
So during my Kundalini ascension period, the first one in Nov 2009, I
had tremendous death like experiences and  I realized it was the same
feeling, the same emotions as the one I went through as I was drowning
the 100 Benadryl and slipping into unconsciousness. Emily, it was a
powerful, intense experience in Nov 2009 because now I was conscious
throughout the experience. I relived that pain, those intense emotions
and it was really cathartic. I'm glad the existence made me go through
it and I could heal my pains with suicide so powerfully.
I'm touched and amazed at the grace of the existence !!!
There were more experiences later during my second round May 2010, when
my body went cold yet I was completely aware. I called my ex to bring
the kids. I warned them not to call 911 (In fact I threatened them, that
if they called 911, I would get up and act normal and make them look
like fools and get them arrested for making false 911 calls..LOL..). I
instructed them to cremate my body - my roommate, my ex totally freaked
out. But then I was fine after sometime.
The second one again when my body went absolutely cold, I even confirmed
with my brother by asking him to check my pulse. I again instructed him
not to call 911. Like before I was fine after a while. I was perfectly
aware yet I was cold, motionless, lifeless. It was powerful, intense,
and I overcame all fear of death. I know no one can harm me.
That's it.
Thanks for sharing your experiences. Confronting and moving into deep
fear is not a bad thing, and I wish you the best !!!
I did chat with Rory on Facebook a while back, he was doing well, busy
on a book that he was writing. I would say you can email him privately
or add him on FB.
Love,Ravi

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn 
wrote:
>
> Yes, when you feel moved, please do...as now that I am moving out of
shame I am moving directly into deep fear. Â I knew it was coming and
it isn't the "how am I going to support my family" kind of fear. Â
Funny the topic should show up here. Â I am very happy that I have
more confidence and more energy and more resolve to deal with the
demons, so to speak. Â I will be posting less to the joy of many, I'm
sure. Â My older daughter is here for the month of January and is
making it pretty clear that she needs me to "step it up" family-wise,
and I think she's right. Â My younger teen actually gives me way more
slack. Â
>
> But, action and a schedule will help allay fear on a daily basis. I
also really want to spend some time with some of the BatGap interviews.
I just spent two days reading Rory Goff's spiritual autobiography. Â
I can't remember what prompted me to look him up, but I'm glad I did. He
spent quite a bit of time in Seattle and may know someone who could help
me, so I might call him. Â
>
> Yes, Ravi, the car video was a great one...I didn't even notice the
ipod was swinging to the beat, but it is and that was very funny the
second time around. Â I think Obba must have special sight. Â
>
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Nityananda

2011-12-30 Thread Emily Reyn

Thanks for posting this - very informative in many ways.



 From: Yifu 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 4:13 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Nityananda
 

  
http://www.nityananda.us/life.htm

[FairfieldLife] Re: whynotnow7 = futur.musik

Hey Jim,
Yeah I guess we are constantly surrounded by death and dying yet project
all our fears into fantasies on others. I remember how back in May 2010
when everyone was so freaking out at my behavior and your cautioned on
how people were projecting their fears on to me. Rather than realizing
that we are always surrounded by death, rather than using that fact as a
way to go deeper to understand the meaning of life, people project
strange fantasies - such as Mayan Calendar 2012 prophecies, age of
enlightenment, age of Pisces and the like. Very interesting and
fascinating to me.
Thanks for sharing your insights - it's awesome - you have come come
back with a bang !!! :-)
P.S. Just wanted to clarify some of your comments on the video I made,
it was not a Bhajan, I don't usually sing Bhajans - it was Sufi rock and
I was actually driving myself !!!
Love,Ravi

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "futur.musik" 
wrote:
>
> Fear of death:
>
> This year, and Thank God they aren't all like this, I got my start on
death with my only Aunt's passing on Valentine's Day, February 14th. I
saw her several times in the hospice, having been alerted to her
condition. She was not very responsive, then I meditated at her bedside
with my wife. After perhaps 10 or 15 minutes I looked up from the foot
of her bed and she was staring fixedly at me, as if to say goodbye, and
then was gone. She was 95.
>
> Then after we had returned home to California, I received a phone call
May 21st that my step-mother was dying. Very suddenly. Although I rushed
to NC, we were not in time. We stayed for the funeral and my Dad
attended though he was in a wheelchair, and slipping fast. At her
funeral, I saw her standing next to my father, as the congregation was
focused on the casket. She was 84.
>
> After that, I was out to clear my dad and stepmom's place, and my Dad
was declining until August 1st, when he passed away. It was a glorious
ascension for him, and I was happy to see him go! He was 88.
>
> So after all of that, I am OK with whatever comes next. I have seen
too many of us pass into the next world to doubt that reality, although
that doesn't mean I understand the phenomenon, nor wish for it, at all.
I just have no fear whatsoever of the event called death.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "futur.musik" futur.musik@
wrote:
> >
> > Hi RV, when I was off the board I looked at FFL sometimes, and
happened across Emily's statement about living a fear based life
equating with rigid beliefs. It reminded me of past experiences of mine.
It seems like a common thing that many people, post "waking up" or aka
?, recognize that a life lived bound by identity is a life lived in
fear.
> >
> > Nothing unpredictable about that. When we are carrying around
anything more than ourselves, we must go through an incredible amount of
effort to retain it, especially if we think it is our identity.
> >
> > This label of indispensability that we attach to an idea of
ourselves immediately creates a fear of loss, and leads to all kinds of
contortions in order to realign to these ideas we hold as us.
> >
> > As they dissolve, the fear dissolves. The manufacturing of fear
becomes seen for the whole prehistoric game it is, of holding onto
something fictitious, superstitious, illusory, when there is in fact
nothing to hold onto, nothing to be afraid of, or afraid of losing.
> >
> > I also found that the longer I spent contemplating but not facing or
resolving a fear of mine made it grow larger, just like fertilizing it.
It grows an imaginary life of its own - never faced, it uses the shadows
of a runaway mind to assume grotesque proportions. Silly but true.
> >
> > I have also found that someone who tries to appear fearless, but
isn't, can be spotted easily, with the more obvious their attempts
making them stand out that much more clearly. As you know, sighted from
the rock solid foundation of Akasha, the hypocrites are toast. :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: whynotnow7 = futur.musik

2011-12-30 Thread Emily Reyn

Yes, when you feel moved, please do...as now that I am moving out of shame I am 
moving directly into deep fear.  I knew it was coming and it isn't the "how am 
I going to support my family" kind of fear.  Funny the topic should show up 
here.  I am very happy that I have more confidence and more energy and more 
resolve to deal with the demons, so to speak.  I will be posting less to the 
joy of many, I'm sure.  My older daughter is here for the month of January and 
is making it pretty clear that she needs me to "step it up" family-wise, and I 
think she's right.  My younger teen actually gives me way more slack.  

But, action and a schedule will help allay fear on a daily basis. I also really 
want to spend some time with some of the BatGap interviews. I just spent two 
days reading Rory Goff's spiritual autobiography.  I can't remember what 
prompted me to look him up, but I'm glad I did. He spent quite a bit of time in 
Seattle and may know someone who could help me, so I might call him.  

Yes, Ravi, the car video was a great one...I didn't even notice the ipod was 
swinging to the beat, but it is and that was very funny the second time around. 
 I think Obba must have special sight.  

 From: Ravi Chivukula 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: whynotnow7 = futur.musik

Jim, not sure what the context was for this discussion on fear but yes I have 
had my battles with it for the last 2 years and your views are much appreciated.

I really appreciated David and yours feedback on the Batgap list last year, on 
fear of death being one of the last of the attachments to go and I had really 
intense experiences as well which I have shared in the past. Now I can safely 
say that I have no more fears left :-), it's such a freedom !!!

I can discuss more if you or others are interested.

On Dec 30, 2011, at 6:22 PM, "futur.musik"  wrote:

>Hi Ravi! Sometimes fear teases me, but shows its illusory nature very quickly, 
>since I refuse to avert my gaze from it. When I first gained the ability to 
>stop thought altogether, I found a practical use for it, that of putting 
>myself to sleep at night. 
>
>Instead of the past, thoughts running without stopping, now they could be 
>stopped, at any time...like...that. However when I began doing it to fall 
>asleep, immediately after stopping my thoughts, my heart would involuntarily 
>race, in the absence of a point of identification, so ingrained was my habit.
>
>Or perhaps those were the final threads of that attachment to some memory of 
>me. Not gluey enough to prevent me from letting go of thought with no attempt 
>to get it back, yet still enough memory to trigger my autonomic nervous system 
>into a fight or flight response (even though it was ultimately afraid of 
>itself-lol).:-) 
>
>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
>wrote:
>>
>> Beautiful post !! Welcome back Jim !!!
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 30, 2011, at 4:05 PM, "futur.musik"  wrote:
>> 
>> > Hi everyone, I am back as futur.musik, a sometimes record label I've 
>> > played with in the past. I was whynotnow7, but got tired of it, sounded 
>> > stale, so here's the new me. 
>> > 
>> > Happy New Year almost! Merry Christmas, except to Vajihad, who is in some 
>> > white supremacist movie that I am not part of. Welcome back Ravi! Thank 
>> > you Bob for Santa's present! Thank you Nabby and Buck on behalf of the 
>> > posts you attempted to give whynotnow7! I hope everyone has a great coming 
>> > year!
>> > 
>> > Emily's observation that people with fixed beliefs (who cannot listen to 
>> > others) live a subconscious fear-based existence was right on. I also 
>> > enjoyed Ravi's candor earlier. The bhajan in the back of the car was 
>> > intense, and some good singing.
>> > 
>> > Funny when someone comes straight out with a shot of reality on here, it 
>> > cannot be ducked, and yet it is funny watching some here twist themselves 
>> > into pretzels trying to avoid it. There have been several exchanges as of 
>> > late that have been especially entertaining. Gives new meaning to the 
>> > expression you can run, but you cannot hide. 
>> > 
>> > It seems like some folks here get tweaked a few times and they are off to 
>> > the races, slaying straw men as fast as they can stand them up. Completely 
>> > lose touch with reality, diving inside their heads for the most distorted 
>> > stories of what has occurred. 
>> > 
>> > As a great example, the person on here with only opinions, who has an 
>> > actual *Do*Not*Read*List* lives the very picture of a fear based 
>> > existence. This person cannot take enough stock in their own ideas to 
>> > discuss them. Calls them mere 'opinions'. So to this person, they can only 
>> > be responsible for opinions, which change all the time anyway. 
>> > 
>> > So, to themselves, there is nothing to believe in, to follow, develop, 
>> > explore or

[FairfieldLife] Re: Uncommitted Delegates

2011-12-30 Thread Duveyoung

I keep thinking I was seeing Fairfielders on the Chris Matthews show.  Anyone?  
Any FFLers attending the caucuses?  

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> Several people in Jefferson County who normally caucus with the Democrats 
> have told me they will caucus with the Republicans to vote for Ron Paul 
> primarily because he is an antiwar candidate and they are not satisfied with 
> the President Obama's performance in this regard. They have their reasons and 
> I wish them well.
> 
> A few people have told me they will not attend either caucus because they are 
> unhappy with President Obama and dislike all the Republican candidates. I 
> hope they will reconsider and attend a caucus because they may be unaware 
> that there is another option.
> 
> January 3rd the Democratic Party caucus will allow you to form an uncommitted 
> preference group to send uncommitted delegates from your precinct to the 
> Jefferson County Convention March 10, then Second District Convention April 
> 28, and State Convention June 16. The links below will help you understand 
> the caucus process.
> 
> http://ankeny.patch.com/articles/some-occupy-iowa-members-planning-to-caucus-as-uncommited
> 
> http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/12/occupy-iowa-caucus
> 
> http://www.alternet.org/news/153613/occupiers_from_around_the_country_descend_on_iowa_caucuses
> 
> I am a life-long Democrat. It's in my DNA. I will caucus with the Democrats 
> no matter what. Please join me at the caucus, January 3rd. I hope we have a 
> terrific turn out. A good showing is important for Iowa to keeps its First in 
> Nation status.
> 
> Jefferson County Democrats will caucus at Lincoln Elementary School 401 W. 
> Stone, Fairfield IA. The doors open at 6:00 PM, registration begins at 6:30 
> PM and caucus will start at 7:00 PM sharp.
> 
> You may register to caucus with the Democrats January 3rd at 6:30 pm if you 
> are going to be 18 by November 6, 2012.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: whynotnow7 = futur.musik

2011-12-30 Thread Emily Reyn

I don't know if you saw this but it is the video this boy made before he died 
of a heart condition at a young age.  He had "cheated death" several times and 
"talks" about his near death experiences.  I put "talks" in quotes because the 
whole video is done without speaking.  It's very moving and very comforting 
actually.

http://gma.yahoo.com/video/news-26797925/sick-teen-s-videos-go-viral-after-death-27729605.html

 From: futur.musik 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 9:17 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: whynotnow7 = futur.musik

Fear of death: 

This year, and Thank God they aren't all like this, I got my start on death 
with my only Aunt's passing on Valentine's Day, February 14th. I saw her 
several times in the hospice, having been alerted to her condition. She was not 
very responsive, then I meditated at her bedside with my wife. After perhaps 10 
or 15 minutes I looked up from the foot of her bed and she was staring fixedly 
at me, as if to say goodbye, and then was gone. She was 95.

Then after we had returned home to California, I received a phone call May 21st 
that my step-mother was dying. Very suddenly. Although I rushed to NC, we were 
not in time. We stayed for the funeral and my Dad attended though he was in a 
wheelchair, and slipping fast. At her funeral, I saw her standing next to my 
father, as the congregation was focused on the casket. She was 84.

After that, I was out to clear my dad and stepmom's place, and my Dad was 
declining until August 1st, when he passed away. It was a glorious ascension 
for him, and I was happy to see him go! He was 88.

So after all of that, I am OK with whatever comes next. I have seen too many of 
us pass into the next world to doubt that reality, although that doesn't mean I 
understand the phenomenon, nor wish for it, at all. I just have no fear 
whatsoever of the event called death.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "futur.musik"  wrote:
>
> Hi RV, when I was off the board I looked at FFL sometimes, and happened 
> across Emily's statement about living a fear based life equating with rigid 
> beliefs. It reminded me of past experiences of mine. It seems like a common 
> thing that many people, post "waking up" or aka ?, recognize that a life 
> lived bound by identity is a life lived in fear. 
> 
> Nothing unpredictable about that. When we are carrying around anything more 
> than ourselves, we must go through an incredible amount of effort to retain 
> it, especially if we think it is our identity. 
> 
> This label of indispensability that we attach to an idea of ourselves 
> immediately creates a fear of loss, and leads to all kinds of contortions in 
> order to realign to these ideas we hold as us. 
> 
> As they dissolve, the fear dissolves. The manufacturing of fear becomes seen 
> for the whole prehistoric game it is, of holding onto something fictitious, 
> superstitious, illusory, when there is in fact nothing to hold onto, nothing 
> to be afraid of, or afraid of losing.
> 
> I also found that the longer I spent contemplating but not facing or 
> resolving a fear of mine made it grow larger, just like fertilizing it. It 
> grows an imaginary life of its own - never faced, it uses the shadows of a 
> runaway mind to assume grotesque proportions. Silly but true.
> 
> I have also found that someone who tries to appear fearless, but isn't, can 
> be spotted easily, with the more obvious their attempts making them stand out 
> that much more clearly. As you know, sighted from the rock solid foundation 
> of Akasha, the hypocrites are toast. :-)
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> >
> > Jim, not sure what the context was for this discussion on fear but yes I 
> > have had my battles with it for the last 2 years and your views are much 
> > appreciated.
> > 
> > I really appreciated David and yours feedback on the Batgap list last year, 
> > on fear of death being one of the last of the attachments to go and I had 
> > really intense experiences as well which I have shared in the past. Now I 
> > can safely say that I have no more fears left :-), it's such a freedom !!!
> > 
> > I can discuss more if you or others are interested.
> > 
> > 
> > On Dec 30, 2011, at 6:22 PM, "futur.musik"  wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi Ravi! Sometimes fear teases me, but shows its illusory nature very 
> > > quickly, since I refuse to avert my gaze from it. When I first gained the 
> > > ability to stop thought altogether, I found a practical use for it, that 
> > > of putting myself to sleep at night. 
> > > 
> > > Instead of the past, thoughts running without stopping, now they could be 
> > > stopped, at any time...like...that. However when I began doing it to fall 
> > > asleep, immediately after stopping my thoughts, my heart would 
> > > involuntarily race, in the absence of a point of identification, so 
> > > ingrained was my habit.
> > > 
> > > Or perhaps t

[FairfieldLife] Re: whynotnow7 = futur.musik

Fear of death: 

This year, and Thank God they aren't all like this, I got my start on death 
with my only Aunt's passing on Valentine's Day, February 14th. I saw her 
several times in the hospice, having been alerted to her condition. She was not 
very responsive, then I meditated at her bedside with my wife. After perhaps 10 
or 15 minutes I looked up from the foot of her bed and she was staring fixedly 
at me, as if to say goodbye, and then was gone. She was 95.

Then after we had returned home to California, I received a phone call May 21st 
that my step-mother was dying. Very suddenly. Although I rushed to NC, we were 
not in time. We stayed for the funeral and my Dad attended though he was in a 
wheelchair, and slipping fast. At her funeral, I saw her standing next to my 
father, as the congregation was focused on the casket. She was 84.

After that, I was out to clear my dad and stepmom's place, and my Dad was 
declining until August 1st, when he passed away. It was a glorious ascension 
for him, and I was happy to see him go! He was 88.

So after all of that, I am OK with whatever comes next. I have seen too many of 
us pass into the next world to doubt that reality, although that doesn't mean I 
understand the phenomenon, nor wish for it, at all. I just have no fear 
whatsoever of the event called death.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "futur.musik"  wrote:
>
> Hi RV, when I was off the board I looked at FFL sometimes, and happened 
> across Emily's statement about living a fear based life equating with rigid 
> beliefs. It reminded me of past experiences of mine. It seems like a common 
> thing that many people, post "waking up" or aka ?, recognize that a life 
> lived bound by identity is a life lived in fear. 
> 
> Nothing unpredictable about that. When we are carrying around anything more 
> than ourselves, we must go through an incredible amount of effort to retain 
> it, especially if we think it is our identity. 
> 
> This label of indispensability that we attach to an idea of ourselves 
> immediately creates a fear of loss, and leads to all kinds of contortions in 
> order to realign to these ideas we hold as us. 
> 
> As they dissolve, the fear dissolves. The manufacturing of fear becomes seen 
> for the whole prehistoric game it is, of holding onto something fictitious, 
> superstitious, illusory, when there is in fact nothing to hold onto, nothing 
> to be afraid of, or afraid of losing.
> 
> I also found that the longer I spent contemplating but not facing or 
> resolving a fear of mine made it grow larger, just like fertilizing it. It 
> grows an imaginary life of its own - never faced, it uses the shadows of a 
> runaway mind to assume grotesque proportions. Silly but true.
> 
> I have also found that someone who tries to appear fearless, but isn't, can 
> be spotted easily, with the more obvious their attempts making them stand out 
> that much more clearly. As you know, sighted from the rock solid foundation 
> of Akasha, the hypocrites are toast. :-)
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> >
> > Jim, not sure what the context was for this discussion on fear but yes I 
> > have had my battles with it for the last 2 years and your views are much 
> > appreciated.
> > 
> > I really appreciated David and yours feedback on the Batgap list last year, 
> > on fear of death being one of the last of the attachments to go and I had 
> > really intense experiences as well which I have shared in the past. Now I 
> > can safely say that I have no more fears left :-), it's such a freedom !!!
> > 
> > I can discuss more if you or others are interested.
> > 
> > 
> > On Dec 30, 2011, at 6:22 PM, "futur.musik"  wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi Ravi! Sometimes fear teases me, but shows its illusory nature very 
> > > quickly, since I refuse to avert my gaze from it. When I first gained the 
> > > ability to stop thought altogether, I found a practical use for it, that 
> > > of putting myself to sleep at night. 
> > > 
> > > Instead of the past, thoughts running without stopping, now they could be 
> > > stopped, at any time...like...that. However when I began doing it to fall 
> > > asleep, immediately after stopping my thoughts, my heart would 
> > > involuntarily race, in the absence of a point of identification, so 
> > > ingrained was my habit.
> > > 
> > > Or perhaps those were the final threads of that attachment to some memory 
> > > of me. Not gluey enough to prevent me from letting go of thought with no 
> > > attempt to get it back, yet still enough memory to trigger my autonomic 
> > > nervous system into a fight or flight response (even though it was 
> > > ultimately afraid of itself-lol).:-) 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Beautiful post !! Welcome back Jim !!!
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Dec 30, 2011, at 4:05 PM, "futur.musik"  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Hi everyone, I am back as futur.musik, a

[FairfieldLife] Re: whynotnow7 = futur.musik

Hi RV, when I was off the board I looked at FFL sometimes, and happened across 
Emily's statement about living a fear based life equating with rigid beliefs. 
It reminded me of past experiences of mine. It seems like a common thing that 
many people, post "waking up" or aka ?, recognize that a life lived bound by 
identity is a life lived in fear. 

Nothing unpredictable about that. When we are carrying around anything more 
than ourselves, we must go through an incredible amount of effort to retain it, 
especially if we think it is our identity. 

This label of indispensability that we attach to an idea of ourselves 
immediately creates a fear of loss, and leads to all kinds of contortions in 
order to realign to these ideas we hold as us. 

As they dissolve, the fear dissolves. The manufacturing of fear becomes seen 
for the whole prehistoric game it is, of holding onto something fictitious, 
superstitious, illusory, when there is in fact nothing to hold onto, nothing to 
be afraid of, or afraid of losing.

I also found that the longer I spent contemplating but not facing or resolving 
a fear of mine made it grow larger, just like fertilizing it. It grows an 
imaginary life of its own - never faced, it uses the shadows of a runaway mind 
to assume grotesque proportions. Silly but true.

I have also found that someone who tries to appear fearless, but isn't, can be 
spotted easily, with the more obvious their attempts making them stand out that 
much more clearly. As you know, sighted from the rock solid foundation of 
Akasha, the hypocrites are toast. :-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> Jim, not sure what the context was for this discussion on fear but yes I have 
> had my battles with it for the last 2 years and your views are much 
> appreciated.
> 
> I really appreciated David and yours feedback on the Batgap list last year, 
> on fear of death being one of the last of the attachments to go and I had 
> really intense experiences as well which I have shared in the past. Now I can 
> safely say that I have no more fears left :-), it's such a freedom !!!
> 
> I can discuss more if you or others are interested.
> 
> 
> On Dec 30, 2011, at 6:22 PM, "futur.musik"  wrote:
> 
> > Hi Ravi! Sometimes fear teases me, but shows its illusory nature very 
> > quickly, since I refuse to avert my gaze from it. When I first gained the 
> > ability to stop thought altogether, I found a practical use for it, that of 
> > putting myself to sleep at night. 
> > 
> > Instead of the past, thoughts running without stopping, now they could be 
> > stopped, at any time...like...that. However when I began doing it to fall 
> > asleep, immediately after stopping my thoughts, my heart would 
> > involuntarily race, in the absence of a point of identification, so 
> > ingrained was my habit.
> > 
> > Or perhaps those were the final threads of that attachment to some memory 
> > of me. Not gluey enough to prevent me from letting go of thought with no 
> > attempt to get it back, yet still enough memory to trigger my autonomic 
> > nervous system into a fight or flight response (even though it was 
> > ultimately afraid of itself-lol).:-) 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Beautiful post !! Welcome back Jim !!!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Dec 30, 2011, at 4:05 PM, "futur.musik"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Hi everyone, I am back as futur.musik, a sometimes record label I've 
> > > > played with in the past. I was whynotnow7, but got tired of it, sounded 
> > > > stale, so here's the new me. 
> > > > 
> > > > Happy New Year almost! Merry Christmas, except to Vajihad, who is in 
> > > > some white supremacist movie that I am not part of. Welcome back Ravi! 
> > > > Thank you Bob for Santa's present! Thank you Nabby and Buck on behalf 
> > > > of the posts you attempted to give whynotnow7! I hope everyone has a 
> > > > great coming year!
> > > > 
> > > > Emily's observation that people with fixed beliefs (who cannot listen 
> > > > to others) live a subconscious fear-based existence was right on. I 
> > > > also enjoyed Ravi's candor earlier. The bhajan in the back of the car 
> > > > was intense, and some good singing.
> > > > 
> > > > Funny when someone comes straight out with a shot of reality on here, 
> > > > it cannot be ducked, and yet it is funny watching some here twist 
> > > > themselves into pretzels trying to avoid it. There have been several 
> > > > exchanges as of late that have been especially entertaining. Gives new 
> > > > meaning to the expression you can run, but you cannot hide. 
> > > > 
> > > > It seems like some folks here get tweaked a few times and they are off 
> > > > to the races, slaying straw men as fast as they can stand them up. 
> > > > Completely lose touch with reality, diving inside their heads for the 
> > > > most distorted stories of what has occurred. 
> > > > 
> > > > As a great example, the person on here with only

[FairfieldLife] Light of Life

by De Ess Schwartberger

http://www.dees.at/p3/02.htm

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi's Youtube

:-).

Sure Judy I will make more, hope those little people play along !!!


On Dec 30, 2011, at 7:22 PM, "authfriend"  wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
> wrote:
> >
> > "At least, I don't think there is (a good reason)...but
> > with you, who knows?"
> 
> No, I meant, "At least, I don't think there is (a bunch of
> little people in your iPod)..."
> 
> > Well Judy, I guess if the intention is pure and innocent,
> > the existence cooperates with you. It was a very spontaneous
> > decision to record the video and it came out well :-).
> 
> OK, so DON'T tell me how you got those little people inside
> your iPod! See if I care!
> 
> ;-) ;-) ;-)
> 
> It did come out well. Do more!
> 
> > 
> > 
> > On Dec 30, 2011, at 5:29 PM, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Judy - thanks for the warm welcome.
> > > > 
> > > > I have been meaning to record my singing in the car for a long
> > > > time because the states of intense pain and ecstasy I hit
> > > > cannot be replicated elsewhere. Of course just because of the
> > > > fact that I record in itself rules out hitting those states,
> > > > but it's better than no glimpse into my states at all.
> > > > 
> > > > Well the bouncing is easy to explain. I had my iPhone hanging
> > > > on my rear view mirror and so it's my iPhone swinging rather
> > > > than the car..
> > > 
> > > Ravi. *How did you get the iPhone to swing in time to
> > > the music*?? It doesn't matter whether it was the car
> > > or the iPhone, there's no good reason why the swinging/
> > > bouncing should be in time to the music! It's not like
> > > there's a bunch of little people inside the iPhone
> > > making the music and tapping their little feet to make
> > > it swing.
> > > 
> > > At least, I don't think there is...but with you, who
> > > knows?
> > > 
> > > > LOL..anyway this is what makes the video fun. I tried figuring
> > > > out different ways to record myself but this was the best :-).
> > > 
> > > Loved it. Relaxed and intense at the same time.
> > > 
> > > > I will be here.
> > > > 
> > > > Love,
> > > > Ravi.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Dec 29, 2011, at 5:26 PM, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Ravi!! SO glad to see you back. Kiss-kiss.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Very cool video, this one. If I may ask, how the heck did
> > > > > you get the car to bounce in time with the music??
> > > > > 
> > > > > That's 50, and I'm out till the weekend. You better still
> > > > > be here, you hear?
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula" 
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Another video of mine from my pain-filled, bliss-filled mundane 
> > > > > > extraordinary life.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > http://youtu.be/XcH7lccVF0E
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > For my lovers..
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > OK, OK, fine, that elephant chasing, car chasing, tail fascinated 
> > > > > > obsessed kid of mine can watch it too 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > RaviI missed you and thank you for your words and the lovely 
> > > > > > > video. Ãƒâ€š 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > P.S. Robin's post was entirely awesome, I agree...it stands on 
> > > > > > > its own perfectly. Ãƒâ€š 
> > > > > 
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > 
> > >
> >
> 
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: whynotnow7 = futur.musik

Jim, not sure what the context was for this discussion on fear but yes I have 
had my battles with it for the last 2 years and your views are much appreciated.

I really appreciated David and yours feedback on the Batgap list last year, on 
fear of death being one of the last of the attachments to go and I had really 
intense experiences as well which I have shared in the past. Now I can safely 
say that I have no more fears left :-), it's such a freedom !!!

I can discuss more if you or others are interested.


On Dec 30, 2011, at 6:22 PM, "futur.musik"  wrote:

> Hi Ravi! Sometimes fear teases me, but shows its illusory nature very 
> quickly, since I refuse to avert my gaze from it. When I first gained the 
> ability to stop thought altogether, I found a practical use for it, that of 
> putting myself to sleep at night. 
> 
> Instead of the past, thoughts running without stopping, now they could be 
> stopped, at any time...like...that. However when I began doing it to fall 
> asleep, immediately after stopping my thoughts, my heart would involuntarily 
> race, in the absence of a point of identification, so ingrained was my habit.
> 
> Or perhaps those were the final threads of that attachment to some memory of 
> me. Not gluey enough to prevent me from letting go of thought with no attempt 
> to get it back, yet still enough memory to trigger my autonomic nervous 
> system into a fight or flight response (even though it was ultimately afraid 
> of itself-lol).:-) 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
> wrote:
> >
> > Beautiful post !! Welcome back Jim !!!
> > 
> > 
> > On Dec 30, 2011, at 4:05 PM, "futur.musik"  wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi everyone, I am back as futur.musik, a sometimes record label I've 
> > > played with in the past. I was whynotnow7, but got tired of it, sounded 
> > > stale, so here's the new me. 
> > > 
> > > Happy New Year almost! Merry Christmas, except to Vajihad, who is in some 
> > > white supremacist movie that I am not part of. Welcome back Ravi! Thank 
> > > you Bob for Santa's present! Thank you Nabby and Buck on behalf of the 
> > > posts you attempted to give whynotnow7! I hope everyone has a great 
> > > coming year!
> > > 
> > > Emily's observation that people with fixed beliefs (who cannot listen to 
> > > others) live a subconscious fear-based existence was right on. I also 
> > > enjoyed Ravi's candor earlier. The bhajan in the back of the car was 
> > > intense, and some good singing.
> > > 
> > > Funny when someone comes straight out with a shot of reality on here, it 
> > > cannot be ducked, and yet it is funny watching some here twist themselves 
> > > into pretzels trying to avoid it. There have been several exchanges as of 
> > > late that have been especially entertaining. Gives new meaning to the 
> > > expression you can run, but you cannot hide. 
> > > 
> > > It seems like some folks here get tweaked a few times and they are off to 
> > > the races, slaying straw men as fast as they can stand them up. 
> > > Completely lose touch with reality, diving inside their heads for the 
> > > most distorted stories of what has occurred. 
> > > 
> > > As a great example, the person on here with only opinions, who has an 
> > > actual *Do*Not*Read*List* lives the very picture of a fear based 
> > > existence. This person cannot take enough stock in their own ideas to 
> > > discuss them. Calls them mere 'opinions'. So to this person, they can 
> > > only be responsible for opinions, which change all the time anyway. 
> > > 
> > > So, to themselves, there is nothing to believe in, to follow, develop, 
> > > explore or take responsibility for. This person's ideas are so unstable 
> > > and ephemeral that they can only be referred to as 'opinions', never to 
> > > be challenged, examined or validated, even to themselves.
> > > 
> > > As time has passed on FairfieldLife, this person has grown increasingly 
> > > isolated, now on a forum of over a thousand members, interacting with 
> > > just *two* other people, with a special case for discussing a "safe" 
> > > subject with one other.
> > > 
> > > This person is the only member in the ten year history of FFL with a 
> > > specified Do Not Read List. The mere written words on a screen from a 
> > > growing list of members are too stressful to even look at for this 
> > > person, so they are denied the attention of one "immersed in Self" (the 
> > > way this person recently described themselves). 
> > > 
> > > Well, its a bit more complicated than that...you see, this person 
> > > actually *does* read the posts of those on that private DNRL. They simply 
> > > pretend otherwise. shhh.
> > > 
> > > Is this really what FFL is all about? Seems like the only reason this 
> > > person is on here is for some attention. No interest in interacting - 
> > > just a soapbox for 'opinions'. I guess it takes all kinds.
> > > 
> > > Anyway the point I was making is that we can live like this one person 
> > > does, l

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is the Internet mindset antithetical to spiritual life?

Oh nice Ms. Waybackward, you won't read other's posts or the majority of the 
posts but you have something smart to say about what's happening here and judge 
other people's posts.

No wonder you continue to be enticed, enthralled and entertained by the 
emotionally damaged King Baby Barry's mediocre movie reviews and Ramafied 
spirituality.

Way to go 

I say all power to mindblowing mediocrity, incredible idiocy and random 
retardedness !!!

Much love,
Ravi.


On Dec 30, 2011, at 8:06 PM, "Susan"  wrote:

> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Lately, I skip about 99 percent of the posts on FFL. I get 
> > > > that a few people are delighted to have an audience, anyone 
> > > > who will engage. I avoid them entirely. But for me the even 
> > > > bigger question is: why does anyone want to be that audience? 
> > > > Maybe I missed something along the way since I don't read 
> > > > these attention-seekers at all - not since reading their first 
> > > > few posts. Don't they and all the people who keep replying 
> > > > to them and stirring the pot have work to do, books to read, 
> > > > walks to take, dogs to walk, movies to see, friends and/or 
> > > > family to spend time with, dishes to wash, food to cook, meals 
> > > > to eat, even meditation and yoga to practice? You can analyze 
> > > > it well, but I mean, seriously, who cares for these people, and 
> > > > their audience? Who does the daily living stuff for them? How 
> > > > do they earn a living, live and then spend all this time posting 
> > > > about, about mind-jumbling uninteresting concepts.
> > 
> > You mean "mind-jumbling and uninteresting *to me*,"
> > right, Susan? I mean, in my observation, folks don't
> > tend to post about concepts they themselves find
> > uninteresting.
> > 
> > On the other hand, having one's mind jumbled can
> > itself be an interesting experience. And then in the
> > process of getting one's mind unjumbled, one often
> > finds that one's mental horizons have been enlarged.
> 
> Your point is heard. I think the discussions of the past few weeks have not 
> been of interest to me, I have not read most of the posts (and can't really 
> keep up with the pace of the posting anyway), and so don't really get what is 
> going on when I do tune in. In particular I find the writing and thinking 
> style of some to be annoying at best. Others might enjoy the banter, but I 
> have found it irritating lately - as if people are egging on other people so 
> as to be entertained. I know you would not do that - so perhaps I am missing 
> something here. As you say, it can appeal to others and expand horizons, I 
> guess. Not for me at this time.
> > 
> > Also, sometimes the personality dynamics among the
> > people on a forum can be as interesting as, or even
> > more interesting than, the topics themselves. If
> > one finds *people* interesting, that is. I guess not
> > everybody does.
> > 
> > > > Just saying I 
> > > > noticed the same things as you did here and it is interesting to 
> > > > hear that FFL is not the only place seeing the same Wonder what 
> > > > the next stage will be
> > > 
> > > It's definitely not just FFL. My little rant was occasioned
> > > by an attention slut outbreak on two other forums,
> > 
> > Hmmm, "so many forums I'm a part of" (see below) 
> > would amount to two forums, then, right?
> > 
> > Me, I learned years ago to stick to one forum at a
> > time. Participation in multiple forums *does* tend
> > to take time away from making a living and all the
> > other activities Susan lists.
> > 
> > For sure, if I were a part of multiple forums *and*
> > also spent lots of time sitting watching movies and
> > TV shows, it really *would* be hard to find time
> > for everything else. ;-)
> > 
> > not by
> > > anything in particular here, although we've certainly seen
> > > the same trend here. On those other two forums for the last
> > > week 80% of the posts have been made by 2 to 4 people, all 
> > > of them fitting into the attention slut description I posted 
> > > earlier. And to make things worse, there are no posting 
> > > limits on these forums, so it's like FFL in the Bad Old Days 
> > > before Rick wisely implemented the weekly limit of 50 posts. 
> > > Try to imagine what FFL would be like if those who tend to 
> > > make 20 to 30 posts in one day were able to continue doing 
> > > so all week -- that's what these other forums have become. :-(
> > > 
> > > I completely agree with your approach, and tend to base mine
> > > these days on time. It's the one thing I can't get back, and
> > > I tend not to want to waste it on reading or participating
> > > in conversations that in retrospect are going to turn out to
> > > be a waste of time for all concerned. 
> > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is the Internet mindset antithetical to spiritual life?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Lately, I skip about 99 percent of the posts on FFL.  I get 
> > > that a few people are delighted to have an audience, anyone 
> > > who will engage. I avoid them entirely.  But for me the even 
> > > bigger question is: why does anyone want to be that audience? 
> > > Maybe I missed something along the way since I don't read 
> > > these attention-seekers at all - not since reading their first 
> > > few posts.   Don't they and all the people who keep replying 
> > > to them and stirring the pot have work to do, books to read, 
> > > walks to take, dogs to walk, movies to see, friends and/or 
> > > family to spend time with, dishes to wash, food to cook, meals 
> > > to eat, even meditation and yoga to practice?  You can analyze 
> > > it well, but I mean, seriously, who cares for these people, and 
> > > their audience?  Who does the daily living stuff for them?  How 
> > > do they earn a living, live and then spend all this time posting 
> > > about, about mind-jumbling uninteresting concepts.
> 
> You mean "mind-jumbling and uninteresting *to me*,"
> right, Susan? I mean, in my observation, folks don't
> tend to post about concepts they themselves find
> uninteresting.
> 
> On the other hand, having one's mind jumbled can
> itself be an interesting experience. And then in the
> process of getting one's mind unjumbled, one often
> finds that one's mental horizons have been enlarged.

Your point is heard.  I think the discussions of the past few weeks have not 
been of interest to me, I have not read most of the posts (and can't really 
keep up with the pace of the posting anyway), and so don't really get what is 
going on when I do tune in.   In particular I find  the writing and thinking 
style of some to be annoying at best.  Others might enjoy the banter, but I 
have found it irritating lately - as if people are egging on other people so as 
 to be entertained. I know you would not do that - so perhaps I am missing 
something here.   As you say, it can appeal to others and expand horizons, I 
guess.  Not for me at this time.
> 
> Also, sometimes the personality dynamics among the
> people on a forum can be as interesting as, or even
> more interesting than, the topics themselves. If
> one finds *people* interesting, that is. I guess not
> everybody does.
> 
> > > Just saying I 
> > > noticed the same things as you did here and it is interesting to 
> > > hear that FFL is not the only place seeing the same  Wonder what 
> > > the next stage will be
> > 
> > It's definitely not just FFL. My little rant was occasioned
> > by an attention slut outbreak on two other forums,
> 
> Hmmm, "so many forums I'm a part of" (see below) 
> would amount to two forums, then, right?
> 
> Me, I learned years ago to stick to one forum at a
> time. Participation in multiple forums *does* tend
> to take time away from making a living and all the
> other activities Susan lists.
> 
> For sure, if I were a part of multiple forums *and*
> also spent lots of time sitting watching movies and
> TV shows, it really *would* be hard to find time
> for everything else. ;-)
> 
>  not by
> > anything in particular here, although we've certainly seen
> > the same trend here. On those other two forums for the last
> > week 80% of the posts have been made by 2 to 4 people, all 
> > of them fitting into the attention slut description I posted 
> > earlier. And to make things worse, there are no posting 
> > limits on these forums, so it's like FFL in the Bad Old Days 
> > before Rick wisely implemented the weekly limit of 50 posts. 
> > Try to imagine what FFL would be like if those who tend to 
> > make 20 to 30 posts in one day were able to continue doing 
> > so all week -- that's what these other forums have become. :-(
> > 
> > I completely agree with your approach, and tend to base mine
> > these days on time. It's the one thing I can't get back, and
> > I tend not to want to waste it on reading or participating
> > in conversations that in retrospect are going to turn out to
> > be a waste of time for all concerned. 
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I've been wondering about this lately, because so many forums I'm a part
> > > > of have been invaded by hordes of what I tend to call ( for want of the
> > > > proper Sanskrit term :-) attention sluts. You know the type of person
> > > > I'm talking about. Insecure, not many real-life friends, and seriously
> > > > in need of attention. Any kind of attention will seemingly do. So the
> > > > attention sluts tend to post a LOT, eating up bandwidth and
> > > > automatically rendering themselves uninteresting to those who don't
> > > > gravitate to Chatty Cathy types.
> 
>

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[FairfieldLife] The Breath of Dakini

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[FairfieldLife] Triumph over Suffering

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[FairfieldLife] Wired for Sound

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[FairfieldLife] Clockwork Leda

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[FairfieldLife] The Mysteries of St. Dominic

Totally mind-blowing Catholic art of Brigid Marlin.  

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[FairfieldLife] Angels and Demons

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi's Youtube

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> "At least, I don't think there is (a good reason)...but
> with you, who knows?"

No, I meant, "At least, I don't think there is (a bunch of
little people in your iPod)..."

> Well Judy, I guess if the intention is pure and innocent,
> the existence cooperates with you. It was a very spontaneous
> decision to record the video and it came out well :-).

OK, so DON'T tell me how you got those little people inside
your iPod! See if I care!

;-) ;-) ;-)

It did come out well. Do more!



> 
> 
> On Dec 30, 2011, at 5:29 PM, "authfriend"  wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Judy - thanks for the warm welcome.
> > > 
> > > I have been meaning to record my singing in the car for a long
> > > time because the states of intense pain and ecstasy I hit
> > > cannot be replicated elsewhere. Of course just because of the
> > > fact that I record in itself rules out hitting those states,
> > > but it's better than no glimpse into my states at all.
> > > 
> > > Well the bouncing is easy to explain. I had my iPhone hanging
> > > on my rear view mirror and so it's my iPhone swinging rather
> > > than the car..
> > 
> > Ravi. *How did you get the iPhone to swing in time to
> > the music*?? It doesn't matter whether it was the car
> > or the iPhone, there's no good reason why the swinging/
> > bouncing should be in time to the music! It's not like
> > there's a bunch of little people inside the iPhone
> > making the music and tapping their little feet to make
> > it swing.
> > 
> > At least, I don't think there is...but with you, who
> > knows?
> > 
> > > LOL..anyway this is what makes the video fun. I tried figuring
> > > out different ways to record myself but this was the best :-).
> > 
> > Loved it. Relaxed and intense at the same time.
> > 
> > > I will be here.
> > > 
> > > Love,
> > > Ravi.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Dec 29, 2011, at 5:26 PM, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Ravi!! SO glad to see you back. Kiss-kiss.
> > > > 
> > > > Very cool video, this one. If I may ask, how the heck did
> > > > you get the car to bounce in time with the music??
> > > > 
> > > > That's 50, and I'm out till the weekend. You better still
> > > > be here, you hear?
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Another video of mine from my pain-filled, bliss-filled mundane 
> > > > > extraordinary life.
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://youtu.be/XcH7lccVF0E
> > > > > 
> > > > > For my lovers..
> > > > > 
> > > > > OK, OK, fine, that elephant chasing, car chasing, tail fascinated 
> > > > > obsessed kid of mine can watch it too 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > RaviI missed you and thank you for your words and the lovely 
> > > > > > video. Ãâ 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > P.S. Robin's post was entirely awesome, I agree...it stands on its 
> > > > > > own perfectly. Ãâ 
> > > > 
> > > >
> > >
> > 
> >
>

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a type of Alien, by Giger
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[FairfieldLife] Uncommitted Delegates

2011-12-30 Thread raunchydog

Several people in Jefferson County who normally caucus with the Democrats have
told me they will caucus with the Republicans to vote for Ron Paul primarily
because he is an antiwar candidate and they are not satisfied with the
President Obama's performance in this regard. They have their reasons and I
wish them well.

A few people have told me they will not attend either caucus because they are
unhappy with President Obama and dislike all the Republican candidates. I hope
they will reconsider and attend a caucus because they may be unaware that there
is another option.

January 3rd the Democratic Party caucus will allow you to form an uncommitted
preference group to send uncommitted delegates from your precinct to the
Jefferson County Convention March 10, then Second District Convention April 28,
and State Convention June 16. The links below will help you understand the
caucus process.

http://ankeny.patch.com/articles/some-occupy-iowa-members-planning-to-caucus-as-uncommited

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/12/occupy-iowa-caucus

http://www.alternet.org/news/153613/occupiers_from_around_the_country_descend_on_iowa_caucuses

I am a life-long Democrat. It's in my DNA. I will caucus with the Democrats no
matter what. Please join me at the caucus, January 3rd. I hope we have a
terrific turn out. A good showing is important for Iowa to keeps its First in
Nation status.

Jefferson County Democrats will caucus at Lincoln Elementary School 401 W.
Stone, Fairfield IA. The doors open at 6:00 PM, registration begins at 6:30 PM
and caucus will start at 7:00 PM sharp.

You may register to caucus with the Democrats January 3rd at 6:30 pm if you are
going to be 18 by November 6, 2012.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New 'Synthetic' Marijuana

On 12/30/2011 05:49 PM, John wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>> On 12/30/2011 11:49 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb   wrote:
>>>
>>> There is a show called Weed Wars about life at the biggest dispensary in 
>>> California.  The body buzz weed is higher in CBD rather than THC so it is 
>>> less psychoactive but better for pain.  It is interesting to see how 
>>> precisely they match the patient to the right blend to give them the best 
>>> relief of symptoms.  They have gone way past the simple indica/sativa 
>>> distinctions.
>>>
>>> The analog molecules that are in the synthetic stuff isn't even close to 
>>> this level of sophistication...yet.  There is much more to understand about 
>>> the effects of this complex compound before you could do better than 
>>> nature. So far it is a near miss, but a miss just the same.  Or so I have 
>>> read...
>>>
>> Though I don't use I voted for the legalization.  Of course the fascists
>> convinced the public to vote against it but it did get quite a few yes
>> votes.  The running joke was that users were too stoned and forgot to go
>> vote for it.  Recreational drug laws have been used for years as a
>> method to suppress certain social groups.
>>
> Even if the state law was passed, it would still be in violation of the 
> federal laws.  This is the reason why the feds are raiding some of the pot 
> farms in Napa and Sonoma, where marijuana is legal in local county terms.

The fed needs wise up to. They are using pot as a device to control 
societal sectors and that is ridiculous.  Means a lot of government 
types and politicians really need to be deposed.

[FairfieldLife] Synchronization

by Peter Gric
http://www.gric.at/gallery/bild251.htm

[FairfieldLife] Artificial Sleep II

by Peter Gric
http://www.gric.at/gallery/bild241.htm

[FairfieldLife] featuring Bryan Kent Ward

http://www.bryankentward.com/gallery.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Stormy Weather in TM Celebrityville

2011-12-30 Thread shukra69

envy? trying to emulate Card. by being somewhat incomprehensible, or stuff

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Dec 30, 2011, at 4:13 PM, Mike Doughney wrote:
> 
> > Here's Katy Perry's parents on stage at a Christian youth conference, 
> > babbling about how horrible it was that Katy heard Freddie Mercury and 
> > Queen at a slumber party.
> 
> Everyone knows those Zoroastrian gays are the worst! Don't you just hate 
> those Zoroastrian gays! Heaven forbid they show up at your daughter's slumber 
> party. I bet he was wearing Prada.
> 
> Thank gawd she had that Jesus tattoo on her wrist - hell, that'll get you 
> into most NASCAR events gratis.
>

[FairfieldLife] L. Caruana's Visionary encounter with Myrette

(while on Cannabis,Caruana relates his experience; or rather Caruana 
relates his "experience while on Cannabis"...maybe both)

http://visionaryrevue.com/webtext4/myrvis.html

[FairfieldLife] America's Mystery Ground

[from the Charisma review, Jan 2012 - Jonathan Cahn's book, The 
Harbingerthe chapter "America's Mystery Ground"]
...
"When judgment came upon ancient Israel, the calamity reached its finality when 
it touched and destroyed the ground of the Temple Mount. There was a reason for 
that. This was where Israel had been consecrated to God".
...
"As a principle of judgment, destruction will often return to the very place 
where a nation was founded - its ground of consecration. This, in itself, is a 
sign or mystery of return; and for ancient Israel, god was calling the nation 
back to Himself".
...
[Cahn then goes on to describe ...]:
"History tell us that America's first day as a fully formed nation was not in 
1776, but actually April 30, 1789, when for the first time the nation and its 
government was led by a President".
...
"And on that first day, embedded in America's foundation is a prophetic message 
- a warning spoken by the nation's newly inaugurated President that is now 
coming to pass in our day".
...
"After that warning was given, the President led the nation's first fully 
formed government in its first act: to pray, to commit and to consecrate 
America's future to God. The President and members of Congress proceeded on 
foot to the place especially chosen for this act.  This was America's 
consecration ground".
...
"So where did this all take place? It happened at ground zero! In the days of 
judgement, the destruction return to the nation's ground of consecration. 
Ground zero was America's ground of consecration. God was calling America, as 
He had Israel, to return to the foundation upon which it was begun and to 
return to Him in prayer".

[FairfieldLife] Shemitah - debts and credit released

Rabbi Jonathan Cahn (the new book "The Harbinger"...review in Charisma 
Magazine, page 22, Jan. 2012); has some interesting insights into SHEMITAH, 
29-th day of the Hebrew month of Elul (in which all debts and credit are to be 
traditionally relased).
...
But first, he mentions some other Harbingers of Judgment - harkening back to 
repeated warnings given by God to ancient Israel through the Prophets.  
...
He states "In 732 BC, after years of alling Israel back - to no avail - God 
removed Israel's hedge of protection and allowed its enemies to breach its 
borders in a devastating strike that would traumatize the nation. It was an 
alarm and a call to return to God".
...
"Instead of heeding the call and responding with repentance, the nation 
reponded with defiance".
[note - this section may be confusing since Isaiah 9:9-10 on the surface 
presents a show of strength by the Israelites; but Cahn in this prophetic 
context alludes to it aa response with defiance]:
...
...where Isaiah 9:9-10 prefaces the statement with "...in pride and arrogance 
of heart", according to Cahn, then continues "The bricks have fallen down, but 
we will rebuild with hewn stones; the sycamores are cut down, but we will 
replace them with cedars".
...
[but then referring to the Biblical commentaries on Isaiah 9:9-10; these 
emphasize the weakness of the initial bricks, surpassed in strength with hewn 
stones; and the weak sycamores replaced with cedars. In this regard, Cahn then 
fast forwards to the morning after 9/11, where the Senate majority leader 
closed his speech with a proclamation, quoting the exact words of Isaiah 9-10. 
Cahn's point being - that the original statement was made by the Israelis in a 
state of defiance of the attack but without reliance on God].
...
[Cahn then presents a continuation of his argument leading to the SHEMITAH 
concept, or Sabbath Year:]

"In the days after the attack, the Federal reserve sought to defy the effect of 
9/11 by a series of actions that would slash the nation's interest rates to 
extreme levels. This attempt to defy 9/11 would create an economic house of 
cards that would come crashing down seven years later"
...
Getting to Cahn's chapter conclusion on SHEMITAH, the 29-th day of Elul, 
"...all debts and credit would be released":
"Obviously, the SHEMITAH affected the nation's economic and financial realms, 
wiping away its financial accounts and nullifying both credit and debt".
...
[Fianlly, Cahn makes the comparison to ancient Israel, saying]:
"And that's exactly what happened. As Israel departed from God, it was judged 
based on the Shemitah as the nation's financial accounts were wiped away, as 
the land was devastated, and all sowing, reaping, and trade came to a 
standstill".
...
"In September 2008, the American economy collapsed". "When did it happen? On 
the ancient biblical calendar, it happened on the 29-th day of the month of 
elul, the biblical day of the SHEMITAH - the very day appointed by God to wipe 
away a nations' financial accounts".
"Seven years before that was the greatest stock market crash in American 
history up to that date. It was the crash caused by 9/11. When did that crash 
take place? On the 29-th day of the month of Elul - the exact day of the 
SHEMITAH!"

[FairfieldLife] DC touts lowest homicide rate in nearly 50 years(Predicted!)

2011-12-30 Thread shukra69

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501363_162-57349894/dc-touts-lowest-homicide-rate-in-nearly-50-years/

due to the rise of coherence in the collective consciousness of America, as
predicted in advance by the Global Country of World Peace

"Rigorous statistical analysis shows that the upsurge of positive trends
publicly predicted in advance started when a group of 1200 experts in the
Transcendental Meditation program and its advanced techniques, including Yogic
Flying, assembled in Iowa from across the U.S. and around the world to create
coherent collective consciousness the basis of the national transformation.
(See www.invinciblity.org for preliminary research findings on the Invincible
America Assembly.)

We expected to hear good news coming from the Invincible Assembly and now we
are enjoying receiving it every day from the world press, Maharishi said.

Maharishi emphasized that this national transformation is just beginning.With
this group of Yogic Flyers permanently established in America, all good will
continue to come to the country a bright new sunshine is dawning right now for
America and the world.

Extensive Published Scientific Research Documents the Maharishi Effect
Dr. John Hagelin, a world-renowned quantum physicist and director of the
Invincible America Assembly, is leading a team of scientists and physicians who
are monitoring the effects of the group practice on national economic, social,
and even climatic trends. He said the positive developments created by the
Assembly are consistent with prior studies.

Extensive research published in leading, peer-reviewed scientific journals
documents reduced negative trends, including reduced crime and violence, and
improved economic and social trends when as few as the square root of one
percent of a population practice Yogic Flying together in a group, Dr. Hagelin
said.

Scientists named this phenomenon the Maharishi Effect after His Holiness
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the renowned Vedic scholar who founded the
Transcendental Meditation program, and who predicted the beneficial impact of
group meditation on social trends as early as 1975.

Group of 2000 Yogic Flyers Needed to Make the Nation Invincible
Dr. Hagelin said that the number of Yogic Flyers in the Assembly recently
increased from 1200 to 1500 further intensifying the positive effect for the
nation. And when the number of Yogic Flyers reaches the square root of one
percent of the U.S. population (about 2000), there will be an even more
dramatic improvement in national trends, and any lingering problems in the
country will be quickly resolved.

This is not wishful thinking, Dr. Hagelin said. This is hard science that has
been field tested for over 50 years and documented through more than 600
studies conducted at over 250 independent universities and research institutes
throughout the world.

Dr. Hagelin added that groups of Yogic Flyers are now being established in a
total of 40 countries to create a Ring of Invincibility around the globe and
quickly raise the whole world to a state of permanent peace.

The Invincible America Assembly is being funded by an annual $12 million grant
from the Howard and Alice Settle Foundation for an Invincible America.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi's Youtube

"At least, I don't think there is (a good reason)...but with you, who knows?"

Well Judy, I guess if the intention is pure and innocent, the existence 
cooperates with you. It was a very spontaneous decision to record the video and 
it came out well :-).


On Dec 30, 2011, at 5:29 PM, "authfriend"  wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Judy - thanks for the warm welcome.
> > 
> > I have been meaning to record my singing in the car for a long
> > time because the states of intense pain and ecstasy I hit
> > cannot be replicated elsewhere. Of course just because of the
> > fact that I record in itself rules out hitting those states,
> > but it's better than no glimpse into my states at all.
> > 
> > Well the bouncing is easy to explain. I had my iPhone hanging
> > on my rear view mirror and so it's my iPhone swinging rather
> > than the car..
> 
> Ravi. *How did you get the iPhone to swing in time to
> the music*?? It doesn't matter whether it was the car
> or the iPhone, there's no good reason why the swinging/
> bouncing should be in time to the music! It's not like
> there's a bunch of little people inside the iPhone
> making the music and tapping their little feet to make
> it swing.
> 
> At least, I don't think there is...but with you, who
> knows?
> 
> > LOL..anyway this is what makes the video fun. I tried figuring
> > out different ways to record myself but this was the best :-).
> 
> Loved it. Relaxed and intense at the same time.
> 
> > I will be here.
> > 
> > Love,
> > Ravi.
> > 
> > 
> > On Dec 29, 2011, at 5:26 PM, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > 
> > > Ravi!! SO glad to see you back. Kiss-kiss.
> > > 
> > > Very cool video, this one. If I may ask, how the heck did
> > > you get the car to bounce in time with the music??
> > > 
> > > That's 50, and I'm out till the weekend. You better still
> > > be here, you hear?
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Another video of mine from my pain-filled, bliss-filled mundane 
> > > > extraordinary life.
> > > > 
> > > > http://youtu.be/XcH7lccVF0E
> > > > 
> > > > For my lovers..
> > > > 
> > > > OK, OK, fine, that elephant chasing, car chasing, tail fascinated 
> > > > obsessed kid of mine can watch it too 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > RaviI missed you and thank you for your words and the lovely 
> > > > > video. Ã‚ 
> > > > > 
> > > > > P.S. Robin's post was entirely awesome, I agree...it stands on its 
> > > > > own perfectly. Ã‚ 
> > > 
> > >
> >
> 
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Third Open Letter to Ravi Chivukula

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > I got one claim wrong, he was claiming it was 15 minutes
> > after the crashes not before. There were a few crashes.
> > He might mean 15 mintues before the one that hit the
> > Pentagon
> 
> Fifteen minutes *after* the one that hit the Pentagon.
> The press conference was supposed to start at 10:00;
> he said people started to leave right before it started.

I don't find that credible, remember how your day went that day?

> 
> > but people wouldn't have been sticking around till then,
> > it was mayday from 9 on.
> 
> Not necessarily. Higher-level military folks would have
> been on alert shortly after the second plane hit the
> towers, but not desk jockeys, who would have been most
> likely to be the guys attending the press conference.
> When the Pentagon was hit, though, it would have been
> all hands on deck, because that put a whole new spin
> on things if the attacks weren't limited to NYC.

Of course I could be wrong but I don't find the story credible.  This doesn't 
have anything to do with my real objections to the claim.

> 
> Response to your first post:
> 
> 
> > So if you ask me, his general prediction seems good AFTER the
> > fact as they all do, and he really screwed up if he did have
> > predictive power in scheduling the solution to arrive AFTER the
> > problem. Even if it was 15 minutes before what good would that
> > do?  And if his message was so vital why let it get eclipsed by
> > these events if he knew so much?
> > 
> > In other words we have two choices here. Maharishi was either:
> > 
> > 1. A guy who made so many predictions some of them came true.
> > (Especially ones that we already feared for good reasons from
> > previous attacks.)
> > 
> > 2. He was an incompetent bungler who, blessed with magical
> > predictive ability to save lives, got it all just enough wrong
> > in the timing so that even if people took this fundraising
> > effort seriously, it would do no good.
> > 
> > So now we have the 20/20 hindsight on his bungling negligence
> > now also don't we?
> > 
> > I still am kinda fond of the guy so I am going with number 1.
> 
> It's still one helluva coincidence, isn't it? Very same
> day, really close to the same time.

We live in a world of coincidence and shape it into even cooler looking ones 
all the time.  Remember my singing "I want you to rock me" over and over for my 
guitar student before the earthquake hit DC?  That was a great one too.

> 
> I'm not sure why you aren't complaining about the fact
> that "bombs" weren't involved, or that it was weird to
> expect NATO to be the organization that would prevent
> the attacks.

I noticed that but it was a shaping detail that we tend to ignore.  But yes, 
you are right.

> 
> Remember that the newspaper ad was published "early in
> 2000." One could postulate that the chance to deter the
> 9/11 attacks was lost when governments didn't pick up
> immediately on MMY's Proposal for Permanent World Peace.
> That's when the solution "arrived," not at the time of
> the press conference a year and a half later.

Or Condie could have responded to the direct prediction about Bin Laden 
striking within the US.  This is what I mean about 20/20 hindsight.

> 
> I've always assumed the omniscience thing is on a "need
> to know" basis anyway. IOW, MMY wasn't supposed to know
> the timing of the attacks, just that, as of early 2000,
> if governments didn't snap to it and adopt his program,
> the attacks would happen in due course.

My omniscience also works this way. We are forgetting all the times he cried 
wolf and nothing happened aren't we?  Since I don't suspect either of us are 
invested in this perspective I am really more interested in our brains lack of 
ability to notice that the precision of this hindsight is illusion.  It does 
not work in reverse.
> 
> As to the timing of the press conference, it was most
> likely not MMY who picked it. But I can imagine "the
> universe" arranging things so it would coincide almost
> perfectly with the attacks, by way of making a point.

Kind of a cosmic FU to all of us huh?  What a douchebag the universe turned out 
to be!  We connect these things because of how our brain craves patterns and 
meaning.  It is a cognitive flaw that we need to keep an eye on.  The scenario 
of a universe that makes such a petty point is very unappealing to me.  But 
again,our brain is programmed to assign not only patterns but intentionality to 
events.  That way we might imagine a leaf rustling is a tiger who wants to eat 
us.  If we are wrong who cares, but our pre-conscious minds create that agency 
in a flash.
> 
> Or not, of course. Coulda just been an uncanny
> coincidence.

Again, it only seems uncanny in retrospect.  There were a million of these 
coincidences that day.  We noticed them because of the special day.
> 
> > "Can you imagine if bombs began

[FairfieldLife] Re: whynotnow7 = futur.musik

Hi Ravi! Sometimes fear teases me, but shows its illusory nature very quickly, 
since I refuse to avert my gaze from it. When I first gained the ability to 
stop thought altogether, I found a practical use for it, that of putting myself 
to sleep at night. 

Instead of the past, thoughts running without stopping, now they could be 
stopped, at any time...like...that. However when I began doing it to fall 
asleep, immediately after stopping my thoughts, my heart would involuntarily 
race, in the absence of a point of identification, so ingrained was my habit.

Or perhaps those were the final threads of that attachment to some memory of 
me. Not gluey enough to prevent me from letting go of thought with no attempt 
to get it back, yet still enough memory to trigger my autonomic nervous system 
into a fight or flight response (even though it was ultimately afraid of 
itself-lol).:-)  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> Beautiful post !! Welcome back Jim !!!
> 
> 
> On Dec 30, 2011, at 4:05 PM, "futur.musik"  wrote:
> 
> > Hi everyone, I am back as futur.musik, a sometimes record label I've played 
> > with in the past. I was whynotnow7, but got tired of it, sounded stale, so 
> > here's the new me. 
> > 
> > Happy New Year almost! Merry Christmas, except to Vajihad, who is in some 
> > white supremacist movie that I am not part of. Welcome back Ravi! Thank you 
> > Bob for Santa's present! Thank you Nabby and Buck on behalf of the posts 
> > you attempted to give whynotnow7! I hope everyone has a great coming year!
> > 
> > Emily's observation that people with fixed beliefs (who cannot listen to 
> > others) live a subconscious fear-based existence was right on. I also 
> > enjoyed Ravi's candor earlier. The bhajan in the back of the car was 
> > intense, and some good singing.
> > 
> > Funny when someone comes straight out with a shot of reality on here, it 
> > cannot be ducked, and yet it is funny watching some here twist themselves 
> > into pretzels trying to avoid it. There have been several exchanges as of 
> > late that have been especially entertaining. Gives new meaning to the 
> > expression you can run, but you cannot hide. 
> > 
> > It seems like some folks here get tweaked a few times and they are off to 
> > the races, slaying straw men as fast as they can stand them up. Completely 
> > lose touch with reality, diving inside their heads for the most distorted 
> > stories of what has occurred. 
> > 
> > As a great example, the person on here with only opinions, who has an 
> > actual *Do*Not*Read*List* lives the very picture of a fear based existence. 
> > This person cannot take enough stock in their own ideas to discuss them. 
> > Calls them mere 'opinions'. So to this person, they can only be responsible 
> > for opinions, which change all the time anyway. 
> > 
> > So, to themselves, there is nothing to believe in, to follow, develop, 
> > explore or take responsibility for. This person's ideas are so unstable and 
> > ephemeral that they can only be referred to as 'opinions', never to be 
> > challenged, examined or validated, even to themselves.
> > 
> > As time has passed on FairfieldLife, this person has grown increasingly 
> > isolated, now on a forum of over a thousand members, interacting with just 
> > *two* other people, with a special case for discussing a "safe" subject 
> > with one other.
> > 
> > This person is the only member in the ten year history of FFL with a 
> > specified Do Not Read List. The mere written words on a screen from a 
> > growing list of members are too stressful to even look at for this person, 
> > so they are denied the attention of one "immersed in Self" (the way this 
> > person recently described themselves). 
> > 
> > Well, its a bit more complicated than that...you see, this person actually 
> > *does* read the posts of those on that private DNRL. They simply pretend 
> > otherwise. shhh.
> > 
> > Is this really what FFL is all about? Seems like the only reason this 
> > person is on here is for some attention. No interest in interacting - just 
> > a soapbox for 'opinions'. I guess it takes all kinds.
> > 
> > Anyway the point I was making is that we can live like this one person 
> > does, locked up within their 'opinions', posting plenty but (pretending 
> > they are) not reading others, and certainly not interacting with more than 
> > just a couple of trusted buddies. 
> > 
> > Or we can be open and engage others and make this more of a community of 
> > ideas and fun and humor, as it has been lately. FDR and later, Living 
> > Colour, said it best, "The only thing to fear...is fear itself".
> > 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] 9/11 Prophecies of Jonathan Cahn

Lest the TMO be touted as #1 for reversed predictions, we feature the Rabbi 
Cahn:

Jonathan Cahn, chief Rabbi of the Messianic Beth Israel Worship Center, Wayne; 
NJ.
...
First thing that comes up is a request for donations pursuant to devastating 
impact of the recent hurricane Irene that went straight through that area...(as 
some may recall).

http://www.bethisraelworshipcenter.org/

Cahn's prophecy in reverse, page 24 of Charisma Magazine:
"What Does the Future Hold"?

"Two years before 9/11, I stood overlooking the Hudson River in a gathering of 
prayer for God's mercy on New York.  We had come together based on a prophetic 
sense that a terrorist attack would come to the city in future days.  As I led 
the group in prayer, my focus was drawn to the two towers of the World Trade 
Center across the water.  A deep sense came over me of things yet to come for 
America.  It would not be long before it all began".
...
Cahn says that 9/11 was a Harbinger of possible destruction paralleling the 
fate of Israel.. "In His mercy He has sent warning to wake us up that we might 
return to Him. His will is that none should perish".
...
Then, a Bible quote from (2 Chr. 7/:14): "If My people who care called by My 
name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their 
wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal 
their land".

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dee Ess Schwertberger's Dome of Peace

2011-12-30 Thread Alex Stanley



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu"  wrote:
>
> http://www.dees.at/domeofpeace/pics/tryp/right.htm
>

Not to be confused with the Cone of Silence

http://youtu.be/g1eUIK9CihA

[FairfieldLife] Dee Ess Schwertberger's Dome of Peace

http://www.dees.at/domeofpeace/pics/tryp/right.htm

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Third Open Letter to Ravi Chivukula

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> I got one claim wrong, he was claiming it was 15 minutes
> after the crashes not before. There were a few crashes.
> He might mean 15 mintues before the one that hit the
> Pentagon

Fifteen minutes *after* the one that hit the Pentagon.
The press conference was supposed to start at 10:00;
he said people started to leave right before it started.

> but people wouldn't have been sticking around till then,
> it was mayday from 9 on.

Not necessarily. Higher-level military folks would have
been on alert shortly after the second plane hit the
towers, but not desk jockeys, who would have been most
likely to be the guys attending the press conference.
When the Pentagon was hit, though, it would have been
all hands on deck, because that put a whole new spin
on things if the attacks weren't limited to NYC.

Response to your first post:

> So if you ask me, his general prediction seems good AFTER the
> fact as they all do, and he really screwed up if he did have
> predictive power in scheduling the solution to arrive AFTER the
> problem. Even if it was 15 minutes before what good would that
> do?  And if his message was so vital why let it get eclipsed by
> these events if he knew so much?
> 
> In other words we have two choices here. Maharishi was either:
> 
> 1. A guy who made so many predictions some of them came true.
> (Especially ones that we already feared for good reasons from
> previous attacks.)
> 
> 2. He was an incompetent bungler who, blessed with magical
> predictive ability to save lives, got it all just enough wrong
> in the timing so that even if people took this fundraising
> effort seriously, it would do no good.
> 
> So now we have the 20/20 hindsight on his bungling negligence
> now also don't we?
> 
> I still am kinda fond of the guy so I am going with number 1.

It's still one helluva coincidence, isn't it? Very same
day, really close to the same time.

I'm not sure why you aren't complaining about the fact
that "bombs" weren't involved, or that it was weird to
expect NATO to be the organization that would prevent
the attacks.

Remember that the newspaper ad was published "early in
2000." One could postulate that the chance to deter the
9/11 attacks was lost when governments didn't pick up
immediately on MMY's Proposal for Permanent World Peace.
That's when the solution "arrived," not at the time of
the press conference a year and a half later.

I've always assumed the omniscience thing is on a "need
to know" basis anyway. IOW, MMY wasn't supposed to know
the timing of the attacks, just that, as of early 2000,
if governments didn't snap to it and adopt his program,
the attacks would happen in due course.

As to the timing of the press conference, it was most
likely not MMY who picked it. But I can imagine "the
universe" arranging things so it would coincide almost
perfectly with the attacks, by way of making a point.

Or not, of course. Coulda just been an uncanny
coincidence.

> "Can you imagine if bombs began to fall on Washington
> D.C., and to destroy the high-rises of the money markets
> of New York? Will NATO be able to prevent this? When this
> happens it will be beyond the power even of the wealthy to
> save the situation."

"High-rises" kind of gives me the creeps. It's just a
little too specific. Why wouldn't it have just been
"destroy the money markets of New York"? I'd bet a buck
that's what it was originally, and MMY insisted on
adding "high-rises" because he had some kind of intution
about very tall buildings being involved. The Stock
Exchange and the buildings immediately surrounding it
weren't high-rises.

[FairfieldLife] Dee Ees Schwertberger

Untitled, possibly his iPhone
http://www.dees.at/p1/17.htm

[FairfieldLife] Re: New 'Synthetic' Marijuana

2011-12-30 Thread John



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 12/30/2011 11:49 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > There is a show called Weed Wars about life at the biggest dispensary in 
> > California.  The body buzz weed is higher in CBD rather than THC so it is 
> > less psychoactive but better for pain.  It is interesting to see how 
> > precisely they match the patient to the right blend to give them the best 
> > relief of symptoms.  They have gone way past the simple indica/sativa 
> > distinctions.
> >
> > The analog molecules that are in the synthetic stuff isn't even close to 
> > this level of sophistication...yet.  There is much more to understand about 
> > the effects of this complex compound before you could do better than 
> > nature. So far it is a near miss, but a miss just the same.  Or so I have 
> > read...
> >
> 
> Though I don't use I voted for the legalization.  Of course the fascists 
> convinced the public to vote against it but it did get quite a few yes 
> votes.  The running joke was that users were too stoned and forgot to go 
> vote for it.  Recreational drug laws have been used for years as a 
> method to suppress certain social groups.
>

Even if the state law was passed, it would still be in violation of the federal 
laws.  This is the reason why the feds are raiding some of the pot farms in 
Napa and Sonoma, where marijuana is legal in local county terms.

[FairfieldLife] Gnosis

by Johfra Bosschart
http://gnosispasto.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/johfra-full.jpg

[FairfieldLife] Spirit Wind

by Martina Hoffman
http://alchemeyez.com/images/stories/home/Spirit%20Wind%20by%20Martina%20Hoffmann.jpg

[FairfieldLife] Re: New 'Synthetic' Marijuana

2011-12-30 Thread John

Your concern about this new drug being taken in the military is well taken.  
That's the reason the top brass are not going to tolerate its use.  But for the 
average person in the city it may become acceptable-- at least for the time 
being when the police have not caught on to it.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > This is something new.  So far, it's legal.  But not for long.
> > 
> > http://news.yahoo.com/synthetic-marijuana-problem-us-military-082100931.html
> 
> Expect more of these designer drugs. There is money
> to be made in creating them, so they will be created.
> 
> I can speak only to what the Dutch have managed to
> do with lowly, grown-in-the-ground-or-in-hydroponic-
> tanks marijuana. When I first started coming to the
> Netherlands 15 or so years ago, I fully admit to 
> taking advantage of the herb's quasi-legal status and 
> trying some, pretty much for the first time since
> the Sixties.
> 
> What a difference a generation of Dutch geneticists
> made to that lowly weed. Back in the 60s I could 
> polish off a whole joint, no problem. But the modern
> stuff was 10 to 20 times more powerful, THC-wise. 
> The most I could handle was a couple of puffs. 
> 
> And the *variety*. There were blends that were prized
> for their inner or spiritual or hallucinatory qualities
> (which were the the only ones that interested me), and
> there were the "body stone" varieties that left you
> feeling drugged out and energyless and staring at a 
> wall for hours, without ever having any actual interest
> in the wall. 
> 
> The latter was just not my idea of a good time, and the 
> whole scene is not my idea of a good time any more, 
> period. But I was simply *amazed* that there were
> people toking up on the "body stone" weed, basically
> just "checking out" of life for a few hours, as if
> that was just the bees' knees for them. It was like
> the classic depictions of an opium den.
> 
> My suspicion, if this new synth marijuana is as
> powerful as is hinted at in the article, that that's
> the audience being targeted in the military. People
> who hate their lives so much that they just want those
> lives to *go away* for a few hours. Not my kinda scene, 
> and it kinda scares me that for so many, it is theirs.
> 
> Not to mention the concern expressed in the article
> for those making their lives go away and then oper-
> ating military-grade machinery. Even though I may
> have smoked my share of joints in my life, I was 
> *not* comforted to learn of half-smoked joints found
> on the floors of nuclear power plants. Similarly,
> having grown up on US military bases and knowing
> the kinds of toys they get to play with, I'm *not*
> comforted by hearing that this synth marijuana is
> popular on that playground.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi's Youtube

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> Dear Judy - thanks for the warm welcome.
> 
> I have been meaning to record my singing in the car for a long
> time because the states of intense pain and ecstasy I hit
> cannot be replicated elsewhere. Of course just because of the
> fact that I record in itself rules out hitting those states,
> but it's better than no glimpse into my states at all.
> 
> Well the bouncing is easy to explain. I had my iPhone hanging
> on my rear view mirror and so it's my iPhone swinging rather
> than the car..

Ravi. *How did you get the iPhone to swing in time to
the music*?? It doesn't matter whether it was the car
or the iPhone, there's no good reason why the swinging/
bouncing should be in time to the music! It's not like
there's a bunch of little people inside the iPhone
making the music and tapping their little feet to make
it swing.

At least, I don't think there is...but with you, who
knows?

> LOL..anyway this is what makes the video fun. I tried figuring
> out different ways to record myself but this was the best :-).

Loved it. Relaxed and intense at the same time.


> I will be here.
> 
> Love,
> Ravi.
> 
> 
> On Dec 29, 2011, at 5:26 PM, "authfriend"  wrote:
> 
> > Ravi!! SO glad to see you back. Kiss-kiss.
> > 
> > Very cool video, this one. If I may ask, how the heck did
> > you get the car to bounce in time with the music??
> > 
> > That's 50, and I'm out till the weekend. You better still
> > be here, you hear?
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Another video of mine from my pain-filled, bliss-filled mundane 
> > > extraordinary life.
> > > 
> > > http://youtu.be/XcH7lccVF0E
> > > 
> > > For my lovers..
> > > 
> > > OK, OK, fine, that elephant chasing, car chasing, tail fascinated 
> > > obsessed kid of mine can watch it too 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > RaviI missed you and thank you for your words and the lovely video. 
> > > > Ã 
> > > > 
> > > > P.S. Robin's post was entirely awesome, I agree...it stands on its own 
> > > > perfectly. Ã 
> > 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Boom Festival

2008, L. Caruana in Portugal
http://www.lcaruana.com/webtext/boom.html

[FairfieldLife] L. Caruana on Ayahuasca: "Am I the Buddha?"

http://www.lcaruana.com/webtext/amithebuddha.html

[FairfieldLife] Three hundred thousand

I just noticed that we had passed the three-hundred-
thousand-post mark. Went back to see whose post was
#30. I had in mind to dream up some kind of
award--but then I found it was mine.

And appropriately (or inappropriately, depending on
your perspective) enough, it was a post in which I
had blasted Barry for lying. ;-) Heck, if it weren't
for Barry lying and me blasting him for it, FFL would
still be quite a way from racking up 300,000 posts.

Anyway, congrats to us all, and especially to Rick 
for creating and maintaining a venue in which folks
simply can't stop talking to each other.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi's Youtube

Another old video I have made public, recorded during my last Kundalini 
descension, Unity or whatever you might want to label it.

It was too intense, even for me to watch it :-). But now I embrace it, some 
might have already watched this in May 2010.

http://youtu.be/X9iC5XbW6aQ

Love,
Ravi

On Dec 29, 2011, at 6:18 PM, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:

> Dear Judy - thanks for the warm welcome.
> 
> I have been meaning to record my singing in the car for a long time because 
> the states of intense pain and ecstasy I hit cannot be replicated elsewhere. 
> Of course just because of the fact that I record in itself rules out hitting 
> those states, but it's better than no glimpse into my states at all.
> 
> Well the bouncing is easy to explain. I had my iPhone hanging on my rear view 
> mirror and so it's my iPhone swinging rather than the car..LOL..anyway this 
> is what makes the video fun. I tried figuring out different ways to record 
> myself but this was the best :-).
> 
> I will be here.
> 
> Love,
> Ravi.
> 
> 
> On Dec 29, 2011, at 5:26 PM, "authfriend"  wrote:
> 
>> Ravi!! SO glad to see you back. Kiss-kiss.
>> 
>> Very cool video, this one. If I may ask, how the heck did
>> you get the car to bounce in time with the music??
>> 
>> That's 50, and I'm out till the weekend. You better still
>> be here, you hear?
>> 
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"  
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Another video of mine from my pain-filled, bliss-filled mundane 
>> > extraordinary life.
>> > 
>> > http://youtu.be/XcH7lccVF0E
>> > 
>> > For my lovers..
>> > 
>> > OK, OK, fine, that elephant chasing, car chasing, tail fascinated obsessed 
>> > kid of mine can watch it too 
>> > 
>> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > RaviI missed you and thank you for your words and the lovely video. 
>> > > Â 
>> > > 
>> > > P.S. Robin's post was entirely awesome, I agree...it stands on its own 
>> > > perfectly. Â 
>> 
>>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is the Internet mindset antithetical to spiritual life?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> >
> > Lately, I skip about 99 percent of the posts on FFL.  I get 
> > that a few people are delighted to have an audience, anyone 
> > who will engage. I avoid them entirely.  But for me the even 
> > bigger question is: why does anyone want to be that audience? 
> > Maybe I missed something along the way since I don't read 
> > these attention-seekers at all - not since reading their first 
> > few posts.   Don't they and all the people who keep replying 
> > to them and stirring the pot have work to do, books to read, 
> > walks to take, dogs to walk, movies to see, friends and/or 
> > family to spend time with, dishes to wash, food to cook, meals 
> > to eat, even meditation and yoga to practice?  You can analyze 
> > it well, but I mean, seriously, who cares for these people, and 
> > their audience?  Who does the daily living stuff for them?  How 
> > do they earn a living, live and then spend all this time posting 
> > about, about mind-jumbling uninteresting concepts.

You mean "mind-jumbling and uninteresting *to me*,"
right, Susan? I mean, in my observation, folks don't
tend to post about concepts they themselves find
uninteresting.

On the other hand, having one's mind jumbled can
itself be an interesting experience. And then in the
process of getting one's mind unjumbled, one often
finds that one's mental horizons have been enlarged.

Also, sometimes the personality dynamics among the
people on a forum can be as interesting as, or even
more interesting than, the topics themselves. If
one finds *people* interesting, that is. I guess not
everybody does.

> > Just saying I 
> > noticed the same things as you did here and it is interesting to 
> > hear that FFL is not the only place seeing the same  Wonder what 
> > the next stage will be
> 
> It's definitely not just FFL. My little rant was occasioned
> by an attention slut outbreak on two other forums,

Hmmm, "so many forums I'm a part of" (see below) 
would amount to two forums, then, right?

Me, I learned years ago to stick to one forum at a
time. Participation in multiple forums *does* tend
to take time away from making a living and all the
other activities Susan lists.

For sure, if I were a part of multiple forums *and*
also spent lots of time sitting watching movies and
TV shows, it really *would* be hard to find time
for everything else. ;-)

 not by
> anything in particular here, although we've certainly seen
> the same trend here. On those other two forums for the last
> week 80% of the posts have been made by 2 to 4 people, all 
> of them fitting into the attention slut description I posted 
> earlier. And to make things worse, there are no posting 
> limits on these forums, so it's like FFL in the Bad Old Days 
> before Rick wisely implemented the weekly limit of 50 posts. 
> Try to imagine what FFL would be like if those who tend to 
> make 20 to 30 posts in one day were able to continue doing 
> so all week -- that's what these other forums have become. :-(
> 
> I completely agree with your approach, and tend to base mine
> these days on time. It's the one thing I can't get back, and
> I tend not to want to waste it on reading or participating
> in conversations that in retrospect are going to turn out to
> be a waste of time for all concerned. 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > I've been wondering about this lately, because so many forums I'm a part
> > > of have been invaded by hordes of what I tend to call ( for want of the
> > > proper Sanskrit term :-) attention sluts. You know the type of person
> > > I'm talking about. Insecure, not many real-life friends, and seriously
> > > in need of attention. Any kind of attention will seemingly do. So the
> > > attention sluts tend to post a LOT, eating up bandwidth and
> > > automatically rendering themselves uninteresting to those who don't
> > > gravitate to Chatty Cathy types.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic War and the Pizza Effect

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> 
> On Dec 30, 2011, at 6:55 PM, emptybill wrote:
> 
> > Counterviews not considered, as usual. Vaj just talks the
> > usual stuff.
> > 
> > http://www.sandeepweb.com/2011/08/09/lies-damned-lies-and-meera-nanda/
> > 
> Don't you just hate those women caste protestors!

Funny, not a thing about caste protests or protestors
in that piece.

Re: [FairfieldLife] whynotnow7 = futur.musik

Beautiful post !! Welcome back Jim !!!


On Dec 30, 2011, at 4:05 PM, "futur.musik"  wrote:

> Hi everyone, I am back as futur.musik, a sometimes record label I've played 
> with in the past. I was whynotnow7, but got tired of it, sounded stale, so 
> here's the new me. 
> 
> Happy New Year almost! Merry Christmas, except to Vajihad, who is in some 
> white supremacist movie that I am not part of. Welcome back Ravi! Thank you 
> Bob for Santa's present! Thank you Nabby and Buck on behalf of the posts you 
> attempted to give whynotnow7! I hope everyone has a great coming year!
> 
> Emily's observation that people with fixed beliefs (who cannot listen to 
> others) live a subconscious fear-based existence was right on. I also enjoyed 
> Ravi's candor earlier. The bhajan in the back of the car was intense, and 
> some good singing.
> 
> Funny when someone comes straight out with a shot of reality on here, it 
> cannot be ducked, and yet it is funny watching some here twist themselves 
> into pretzels trying to avoid it. There have been several exchanges as of 
> late that have been especially entertaining. Gives new meaning to the 
> expression you can run, but you cannot hide. 
> 
> It seems like some folks here get tweaked a few times and they are off to the 
> races, slaying straw men as fast as they can stand them up. Completely lose 
> touch with reality, diving inside their heads for the most distorted stories 
> of what has occurred. 
> 
> As a great example, the person on here with only opinions, who has an actual 
> *Do*Not*Read*List* lives the very picture of a fear based existence. This 
> person cannot take enough stock in their own ideas to discuss them. Calls 
> them mere 'opinions'. So to this person, they can only be responsible for 
> opinions, which change all the time anyway. 
> 
> So, to themselves, there is nothing to believe in, to follow, develop, 
> explore or take responsibility for. This person's ideas are so unstable and 
> ephemeral that they can only be referred to as 'opinions', never to be 
> challenged, examined or validated, even to themselves.
> 
> As time has passed on FairfieldLife, this person has grown increasingly 
> isolated, now on a forum of over a thousand members, interacting with just 
> *two* other people, with a special case for discussing a "safe" subject with 
> one other.
> 
> This person is the only member in the ten year history of FFL with a 
> specified Do Not Read List. The mere written words on a screen from a growing 
> list of members are too stressful to even look at for this person, so they 
> are denied the attention of one "immersed in Self" (the way this person 
> recently described themselves). 
> 
> Well, its a bit more complicated than that...you see, this person actually 
> *does* read the posts of those on that private DNRL. They simply pretend 
> otherwise. shhh.
> 
> Is this really what FFL is all about? Seems like the only reason this person 
> is on here is for some attention. No interest in interacting - just a soapbox 
> for 'opinions'. I guess it takes all kinds.
> 
> Anyway the point I was making is that we can live like this one person does, 
> locked up within their 'opinions', posting plenty but (pretending they are) 
> not reading others, and certainly not interacting with more than just a 
> couple of trusted buddies. 
> 
> Or we can be open and engage others and make this more of a community of 
> ideas and fun and humor, as it has been lately. FDR and later, Living Colour, 
> said it best, "The only thing to fear...is fear itself".
> 
>

[FairfieldLife] Alicia and Corundum Chameleon

by Henryk Fantazos

http://henrykfantazos.us/Recent_Paintings/pages/Alicia%20and%20Corundum%20Chameleon.htm

[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting a Valid Badge, in China

from Dennis Balcombe's website:
http://rcmi.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/img_0153.jpg
...
and the Chinese butt-bouncers are where?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu"  wrote:
>
> Similarities to basic philosophy and practices of Falun Dafa (Falun Gong) 
> don't bode well for the TMO in China; easily confused by the Chinese paranoic 
> leaders with the former.
> 
> ...Typically, the Chinese leaders need 30 years to evaluate a 
> program/movement/idea coming from abroad; notwithstanding the ancient Taoist 
> Tradition with Chinese roots, which they've forgotten. Even statues of 
> Confucious are 'verboten'..
> ...
> Christianity is doing far better in modern China, probably since the modern 
> Missionaries have taken care not to directly confront the political 
> leadership; and don't forget the Biblicatl "Render under Caesar"
> ...
> See for example the website of  Missionary Dennis Balcombe (scroll down for 
> images of Chinese Christians).
> http://rcmi.wordpress.com/
> 
>  In Charisma Magazine, Jan 2012, page 55, he says "revival in China is 'like 
> the book of Acts'; and has spread even to the state churches, where people 
> are being filled with the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues".
> ...
> On page 36 of Charisma, China is mentioned as one of 12 Global Hot Spots for 
> conversions: "Mao Zedong tried to wipe out Christian faith in the 1970's when 
> there were only 2.7 million believers.  Today, the most conservative estimate 
> is that China had 75 million believers in 2010." 
> 
> But Missionary Freddie Sun  estimates that there are 150 million Protestants 
> and Catholics in China, compared with 60 million communist party members.  
> Sun states (Charisma, page 53): "Every day, 30,000 people believe in Jesus 
> [i.e. new believers in China] - even communist party members.  It's the 
> greatest revival in church history.".
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > To join, applicants need the backing of existing members and to undergo 
> > exhaustive checks and examination by their local party branch. They then 
> > face a year's probation, again involving assessments and training.
> > 
> > Organizational Chart
> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-13904437
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting a Valid Badge, in China

Similarities to basic philosophy and practices of Falun Dafa (Falun Gong) don't 
bode well for the TMO in China; easily confused by the Chinese paranoic leaders 
with the former.

...Typically, the Chinese leaders need 30 years to evaluate a 
program/movement/idea coming from abroad; notwithstanding the ancient Taoist 
Tradition with Chinese roots, which they've forgotten. Even statues of 
Confucious are 'verboten'..
...
Christianity is doing far better in modern China, probably since the modern 
Missionaries have taken care not to directly confront the political leadership; 
and don't forget the Biblicatl "Render under Caesar"
...
See for example the website of  Missionary Dennis Balcombe (scroll down for 
images of Chinese Christians).
http://rcmi.wordpress.com/

 In Charisma Magazine, Jan 2012, page 55, he says "revival in China is 'like 
the book of Acts'; and has spread even to the state churches, where people are 
being filled with the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues".
...
On page 36 of Charisma, China is mentioned as one of 12 Global Hot Spots for 
conversions: "Mao Zedong tried to wipe out Christian faith in the 1970's when 
there were only 2.7 million believers.  Today, the most conservative estimate 
is that China had 75 million believers in 2010." 

But Missionary Freddie Sun  estimates that there are 150 million Protestants 
and Catholics in China, compared with 60 million communist party members.  Sun 
states (Charisma, page 53): "Every day, 30,000 people believe in Jesus [i.e. 
new believers in China] - even communist party members.  It's the greatest 
revival in church history.".

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> To join, applicants need the backing of existing members and to undergo 
> exhaustive checks and examination by their local party branch. They then face 
> a year's probation, again involving assessments and training.
> 
> Organizational Chart
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-13904437
>

[FairfieldLife] Post Count

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic War and the Pizza Effect


On Dec 30, 2011, at 6:55 PM, emptybill wrote:

> Counterviews not considered, as usual. Vaj just talks the usual stuff.
> 
> http://www.sandeepweb.com/2011/08/09/lies-damned-lies-and-meera-nanda/
> 
> 

Don't you just hate those women caste protestors!

[FairfieldLife] whynotnow7 = futur.musik

Hi everyone, I am back as futur.musik, a sometimes record label I've played 
with in the past. I was whynotnow7, but got tired of it, sounded stale, so 
here's the new me. 

Happy New Year almost! Merry Christmas, except to Vajihad, who is in some white 
supremacist movie that I am not part of. Welcome back Ravi! Thank you Bob for 
Santa's present! Thank you Nabby and Buck on behalf of the posts you attempted 
to give whynotnow7! I hope everyone has a great coming year!

Emily's observation that people with fixed beliefs (who cannot listen to 
others) live a subconscious fear-based existence was right on. I also enjoyed 
Ravi's candor earlier. The bhajan in the back of the car was intense, and some 
good singing.

Funny when someone comes straight out with a shot of reality on here, it cannot 
be ducked, and yet it is funny watching some here twist themselves into 
pretzels trying to avoid it. There have been several exchanges as of late that 
have been especially entertaining. Gives new meaning to the expression you can 
run, but you cannot hide. 

It seems like some folks here get tweaked a few times and they are off to the 
races, slaying straw men as fast as they can stand them up. Completely lose 
touch with reality, diving inside their heads for the most distorted stories of 
what has occurred. 

As a great example, the person on here with only opinions, who has an actual 
*Do*Not*Read*List* lives the very picture of a fear based existence. This 
person cannot take enough stock in their own ideas to discuss them. Calls them 
mere 'opinions'. So to this person, they can only be responsible for opinions, 
which change all the time anyway. 

So, to themselves, there is nothing to believe in, to follow, develop, explore 
or take responsibility for. This person's ideas are so unstable and ephemeral 
that they can only be referred to as 'opinions', never to be challenged, 
examined or validated, even to themselves.

As time has passed on FairfieldLife, this person has grown increasingly 
isolated, now on a forum of over a thousand members, interacting with just 
*two* other people, with a special case for discussing a "safe" subject with 
one other.

This person is the only member in the ten year history of FFL with a specified 
Do Not Read List. The mere written words on a screen from a growing list of 
members are too stressful to even look at for this person, so they are denied 
the attention of one "immersed in Self" (the way this person recently described 
themselves). 

Well, its a bit more complicated than that...you see, this person actually 
*does* read the posts of those on that private DNRL. They simply pretend 
otherwise. shhh.

Is this really what FFL is all about? Seems like the only reason this person is 
on here is for some attention. No interest in interacting - just a soapbox for 
'opinions'. I guess it takes all kinds.

Anyway the point I was making is that we can live like this one person does, 
locked up within their 'opinions', posting plenty but (pretending they are) not 
reading others, and certainly not interacting with more than just a couple of 
trusted buddies. 

Or we can be open and engage others and make this more of a community of ideas 
and fun and humor, as it has been lately. FDR and later, Living Colour, said it 
best, "The only thing to fear...is fear itself".

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stormy Weather in TM Celebrityville

On Dec 30, 2011, at 4:13 PM, Mike Doughney wrote:

> Here's Katy Perry's parents on stage at a Christian youth conference, 
> babbling about how horrible it was that Katy heard Freddie Mercury and Queen 
> at a slumber party.

Everyone knows those Zoroastrian gays are the worst! Don't you just hate those 
Zoroastrian gays! Heaven forbid they show up at your daughter's slumber party. 
I bet he was wearing Prada.

Thank gawd she had that Jesus tattoo on her wrist - hell, that'll get you into 
most NASCAR events gratis.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic War and the Pizza Effect

2011-12-30 Thread emptybill


Counterviews not considered, as usual. Vaj just talks the usual stuff.

http://www.sandeepweb.com/2011/08/09/lies-damned-lies-and-meera-nanda/







--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
>
> On Dec 30, 2011, at 9:36 AM, Buck wrote:
>
> > >
> > > people remain
> > > mired in a view of the world that is deeply irrational and
> > > objectively false. 
> > >
> > > Nanda Meera
> > > Prophets Facing Backward
> > >
> >
> > Well, that's certainly a point of view from Nanda'a simple lack of
> > spiritual experience, just arguing with the progress of the new
> > age. He and intellectuals like him should come and sit in Fairfield
> > for a while now, then they'd know.
>
> She. Sorry I mis-pasted that, it's actually "Meera Nanda". Meera is
> already very familiar with both the TM movement, Indian traditions
> and New Age movements.
>
> > Jai the SatGurus, who have come forward as prophets,
>
> Since sat gurus would generally believe in sanatana-dharma, eternal
> dharma, they would be considered "prophets who look backwards" in
> Nanda's formulation as they fall for the lie of permanence:
> permanent, eternal laws of nature; the laws of Manu.
>
> Marshy himself would be an almost archetypal instance of a prophet
> who looked backwards, but we saw it as a "looking forward". And until
> that spell is broken, we continue to "believe the lie". It's only
> typically when we step into the larger context of Hindutva that we
> can see that Maharishi Vedic Science is simply Vedic Creationism and
> really not that different from fundamentalist beliefs seen in our own
> country.
>

[FairfieldLife] Getting a Valid Badge, in China

2011-12-30 Thread Buck

To join, applicants need the backing of existing members and to undergo 
exhaustive checks and examination by their local party branch. They then face a 
year's probation, again involving assessments and training.

Organizational Chart
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-13904437

Re: [FairfieldLife] Happy Boxing Day!

I'd have to be rich first to do that. I'm not rich like you, Mike.  
Given the current economy that may never be possible.  The rich became 
rich because our government allowed them to so they owe back the 
public.  Greed is a mental illness and we can reopen the closed public 
mental hospitals to treat the greedy rich.

On 12/30/2011 12:44 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:
> But, but  you could start a new *tradition* that would be much more 
> altruistic. You could make some rich person's servants love you more than the 
> people that pay them for their labor.OR, we could just let the government buy 
> them gifts and make the rich pay for them.
>
>
>
> 
>   From: Bhairitu
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 12:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Happy Boxing Day!
>
>
>   
>
> That's not the tradition.  I heard Nicole Sandler explain it on her show
> and the tradition was that the rich only gave gifts to their peers on
> Christmas and then on the day after to their servants.
>
> On 12/27/2011 10:41 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
>> Why not give a box of goodies to somebody else's servants?
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>From: Bhairitu
>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 12:43 PM
>> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Happy Boxing Day!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Be sure to give some gifts to your servants!
>>
>> I don't have any servants because I'm not one of the 1%.  But I've been
>> getting acquainted with my new camera to find what all it does and
>> doesn't do.  One little unclear bit of information is that the camera
>> does shoot in Apple's iFrame mode which is probably NOT of much use.
>> iFrame was developed to make HD video editing easier but only supports a
>> resolution of 960x540 which is kinda halfway between SD and HD.  Netflix
>> actually streams some of their non-HD offerings in this resolution.
>> iFrame stores each picture as a full frame or what is known in MPEG
>> compression parlance as an i-frame.
>>
>> Though I had my eyes set on a Canon T3i DSLR I couldn't justify the
>> expenditure at this time and since I was given a Best Buy gift care a
>> little over a week ago used it to buy a Canon PowerShot 310 HS.  This
>> camera supports iFrame but you have to use it from the manual settings.
>> The camera does not have a 960x540 setting but apparently stretches the
>> 960x540 image to 1280x720.  Ugh, not so good as 720p should have more
>> detail than that.  So iFrame is of not much use.
>>
>> But the 1080p setting shoots at 24 fps which is what I've been wanting
>> for years and the image is crisp.  One 1.5 minute video I shot Christmas
>> eve created a 440 MB QuickTime MOV file so there is little compression
>> going on using the AVCHD format anyways and the file loaded fine into my
>> editing software.  Video analysis software showed it was pretty much as
>> standard AVCHD file mostly of p-frames and some i-frames.  My bet is the
>> p-frames don't use a lot of compression.  This camera shoots better
>> video than my 2005 $1800 Sony camcorder which only did 1440x1080i and
>> the Canon was only $180.  The camera has both an USB port and an HDMI
>> port.  I'm using Class 10 sdcards with this camera which happened to be
>> on sale this last week for $15.  The higher speed card is recommended to
>> prevent dropouts.
>>
>> And of course the camera takes great stills.  I haven't had a really
>> good still camera since I had an SLR back in the 1970s.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Stormy Weather in TM Celebrityville

2011-12-30 Thread Mike Doughney




"Russell Brand and Katy Perry are getting a divorce, the British comedian told 
The Associated Press Friday."

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=541&sid=2688354

Her fundie Christian parents might have something to do with it, rumor has it 
Russell has serious problems with them.

Here's Katy Perry's parents on stage at a Christian youth conference, babbling 
about how horrible it was that Katy heard Freddie Mercury and Queen at a 
slumber party.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9lK-tyAH67E

Re: [FairfieldLife] Happy Boxing Day!

2011-12-30 Thread Mike Dixon

But, but  you could start a new *tradition* that would be much more 
altruistic. You could make some rich person's servants love you more than the 
people that pay them for their labor.OR, we could just let the government buy 
them gifts and make the rich pay for them.

 


 From: Bhairitu 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Happy Boxing Day!
 

   
 
That's not the tradition.  I heard Nicole Sandler explain it on her show 
and the tradition was that the rich only gave gifts to their peers on 
Christmas and then on the day after to their servants.

On 12/27/2011 10:41 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
> Why not give a box of goodies to somebody else's servants?
>
>
>
> 
>   From: Bhairitu
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 12:43 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Happy Boxing Day!
>
>
>
> 
>
> Be sure to give some gifts to your servants!
>
> I don't have any servants because I'm not one of the 1%.  But I've been
> getting acquainted with my new camera to find what all it does and
> doesn't do.  One little unclear bit of information is that the camera
> does shoot in Apple's iFrame mode which is probably NOT of much use.
> iFrame was developed to make HD video editing easier but only supports a
> resolution of 960x540 which is kinda halfway between SD and HD.  Netflix
> actually streams some of their non-HD offerings in this resolution.
> iFrame stores each picture as a full frame or what is known in MPEG
> compression parlance as an i-frame.
>
> Though I had my eyes set on a Canon T3i DSLR I couldn't justify the
> expenditure at this time and since I was given a Best Buy gift care a
> little over a week ago used it to buy a Canon PowerShot 310 HS.  This
> camera supports iFrame but you have to use it from the manual settings.
> The camera does not have a 960x540 setting but apparently stretches the
> 960x540 image to 1280x720.  Ugh, not so good as 720p should have more
> detail than that.  So iFrame is of not much use.
>
> But the 1080p setting shoots at 24 fps which is what I've been wanting
> for years and the image is crisp.  One 1.5 minute video I shot Christmas
> eve created a 440 MB QuickTime MOV file so there is little compression
> going on using the AVCHD format anyways and the file loaded fine into my
> editing software.  Video analysis software showed it was pretty much as
> standard AVCHD file mostly of p-frames and some i-frames.  My bet is the
> p-frames don't use a lot of compression.  This camera shoots better
> video than my 2005 $1800 Sony camcorder which only did 1440x1080i and
> the Canon was only $180.  The camera has both an USB port and an HDMI
> port.  I'm using Class 10 sdcards with this camera which happened to be
> on sale this last week for $15.  The higher speed card is recommended to
> prevent dropouts.
>
> And of course the camera takes great stills.  I haven't had a really
> good still camera since I had an SLR back in the 1970s.
>
>
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Vedic War and the Pizza Effect

I know Indians who when they travel here ask if we can go have a pizza.  
At least back in the 1990s Indian cheese wasn't good for making pizza.  
When I was at Ammachi's ashram the cheese in the sandwiches was imported 
from Germany  and a great alternative to the overly hot spiced free 
ashram meal.

On 12/30/2011 04:36 AM, Vaj wrote:
> In this section, I want to revisit how dharma took over the bomb, or 
> how Vedic metaphysics claimed nuclear physics. The rationale behind 
> this episode is sympto- matic of a much larger problem. Treating 
> modern science as just "another name" for Vedic science and vice versa 
> has become the state's justification for introducing Hindu precepts 
> and superstitions — Vedic astrology, priest-craft, and faith healing, 
> for example — as part of science education in colleges and 
> universities. Like "creation scientists" in the United States who have 
> been trying to smuggle the Bible into public schools, Vedic science 
> proponents are borrowing the prestige of sci- ence to smuggle in their 
> own peculiar interpretation of Hindu scriptures into schools and other 
> institutions in the public sphere. The situation in India is far more 
> frightening because this Hinduization of education is taking place in 
> the context of extreme Hindu chauvinism directed at Muslim and 
> Christian minorities.
>
> To recapitulate from the last chapter, the test-explosion of nuclear 
> devices in 1998 was experienced as a religious event by a large 
> proportion of Indian people. Nuclear weapons were justified and 
> packaged in dharmic terms by Hindutva ideologues allied with the 
> ruling Bharatiya Janata Party. They claimed that the bomb was foretold 
> by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita when he declared himself to be 
> "the radiance of a thousand suns, the splendor of the Mighty One I 
> am be- come Death." They celebrated the bomb by invoking gods and 
> goddesses symbolizing shakti (power) and vigyan (science). Even the 
> idols of Ganesh turned up with atomic halos around their 
> elephant-heads, and guns in their hands! Invocation of gods in the 
> context of nuclear weapons has become a constant feature of public 
> discourse. During the 2002 stand-off between India and Pakistan, 
> India's most popular newsmagazine, India Today, prefaced its tasteless 
> warmongering with references to the Mahabharata and the "thousand 
> suns." The net result of these references is to turn these ugly 
> developments into something like the Mahabharata, in which God Krishna 
> sided with the virtuous. 
>
> The invocation of the goddesses of shakti and vigyan was not 
> fortuitous. It was claimed at that time that the bombs were a symbol 
> of India's advanced science and technology, the roots of which could 
> be traced back to ancient Vedic texts. The idea of constructing a 
> temple to the goddess of learning at the site of the explosion was 
> meant to propagate the age-old popular myth that the Vedas presage all 
> important discoveries of science, especially quantum and nuclear 
> physics. A popular version of this myth was reported by Jonathan Parry 
> in his ethnography of the holy city of Benaras: "In Benaras, I have 
> often been told — and I have heard variants of the same story 
> elsewhere — that Max Miiller stole chunks of the Sama-Veda from India, 
> and it was by studying these that German scientists were able to 
> develop the atom bomb. The ancient rishis (sages) not only knew about 
> nuclear fission, but they also had supersonic airplanes and guided 
> missiles" (Parry 1985, 206).
>
> Finding physics in the Vedas is a good illustration of Hinduism's 
> peculiar dynamic: its tendency to claim for itself those elements of 
> alien traditions that it needs for its own aggrandization. Agehananda 
> Bharati, a.k.a. Leopold Fisher, a Viennese who spent many years as a 
> Hindu ascetic in India,' coined a new term to describe this peculiar 
> cultural dynamic. He called it the "pizza effect" (Bharati 1970, 273). 
> The pizza was originally the staple of Italian and Sicilian peasants. 
> It became a part of haute cuisine in Italy only after the Americans 
> popularized it around the world. Like the humble pizza, Bharati 
> argues, any traditional Hindu idea or practice, however obscure and 
> irrational it might have been through its history, gets the honorific 
> of "science" if it bears any resemblance at all, however remote, to an 
> idea that is valued (even for the wrong reasons) in the West. Thus, 
> obscure references in the Vedas get reinterpreted as referring to 
> nuclear physics. By staking a phony priority, modern science gets 
> domesticated; it was always contained in India's "wisdom" anyway. 
> Whatever good they might do for national pride, such claims cannot 
> cover up the fact that Indian people remain mired in a view of the 
> world that is deeply irrational and objectively false. 
>
> Nanda Meera
> Prophets Facing Backward
>
>
>
>



---

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New 'Synthetic' Marijuana

On 12/30/2011 11:49 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> There is a show called Weed Wars about life at the biggest dispensary in 
> California.  The body buzz weed is higher in CBD rather than THC so it is 
> less psychoactive but better for pain.  It is interesting to see how 
> precisely they match the patient to the right blend to give them the best 
> relief of symptoms.  They have gone way past the simple indica/sativa 
> distinctions.
>
> The analog molecules that are in the synthetic stuff isn't even close to this 
> level of sophistication...yet.  There is much more to understand about the 
> effects of this complex compound before you could do better than nature. So 
> far it is a near miss, but a miss just the same.  Or so I have read...
>

Though I don't use I voted for the legalization.  Of course the fascists 
convinced the public to vote against it but it did get quite a few yes 
votes.  The running joke was that users were too stoned and forgot to go 
vote for it.  Recreational drug laws have been used for years as a 
method to suppress certain social groups.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New 'Synthetic' Marijuana

On 12/30/2011 11:35 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>> This is something new.  So far, it's legal.  But not for long.
>>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/synthetic-marijuana-problem-us-military-082100931.html
> Expect more of these designer drugs. There is money
> to be made in creating them, so they will be created.
>
> I can speak only to what the Dutch have managed to
> do with lowly, grown-in-the-ground-or-in-hydroponic-
> tanks marijuana. When I first started coming to the
> Netherlands 15 or so years ago, I fully admit to
> taking advantage of the herb's quasi-legal status and
> trying some, pretty much for the first time since
> the Sixties.
>
> What a difference a generation of Dutch geneticists
> made to that lowly weed. Back in the 60s I could
> polish off a whole joint, no problem. But the modern
> stuff was 10 to 20 times more powerful, THC-wise.
> The most I could handle was a couple of puffs.

You must have been smoking the cheap stuff in the 1960s.   I knew one 
dealer whose clientèle was the rich and one toke of the Acapulco Gold 
would lay me low.  It looked golden too, like wheat, and hence the 
name.  I stopped smoking the stuff months before I started TM.

[FairfieldLife] Re: New 'Synthetic' Marijuana

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> 
> There is a show called Weed Wars about life at the biggest 
> dispensary in California.  The body buzz weed is higher in 
> CBD rather than THC so it is less psychoactive but better 
> for pain.  It is interesting to see how precisely they match 
> the patient to the right blend to give them the best relief 
> of symptoms.  They have gone way past the simple indica/sativa 
> distinctions. 

That's just fascinating. I shall search the torrentnet 
to see if that series is available. It sounds cool.

> The analog molecules that are in the synthetic stuff isn't 
> even close to this level of sophistication...yet.  There 
> is much more to understand about the effects of this complex 
> compound before you could do better than nature. So far it 
> is a near miss, but a miss just the same.  Or so I have read...

I've never even been exposed to this synthetic stuff.
The first I'd ever heard of it was in the article
JohnR posted. But more synthetic drugs are definitely
in our future, as are the fallout from using them. I
suspect it's going to be a bumpy ride.

> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> > >
> > > This is something new.  So far, it's legal.  But not for long.
> > > 
> > > http://news.yahoo.com/synthetic-marijuana-problem-us-military-082100931.html
> > 
> > Expect more of these designer drugs. There is money
> > to be made in creating them, so they will be created.
> > 
> > I can speak only to what the Dutch have managed to
> > do with lowly, grown-in-the-ground-or-in-hydroponic-
> > tanks marijuana. When I first started coming to the
> > Netherlands 15 or so years ago, I fully admit to 
> > taking advantage of the herb's quasi-legal status and 
> > trying some, pretty much for the first time since
> > the Sixties.
> > 
> > What a difference a generation of Dutch geneticists
> > made to that lowly weed. Back in the 60s I could 
> > polish off a whole joint, no problem. But the modern
> > stuff was 10 to 20 times more powerful, THC-wise. 
> > The most I could handle was a couple of puffs. 
> > 
> > And the *variety*. There were blends that were prized
> > for their inner or spiritual or hallucinatory qualities
> > (which were the the only ones that interested me), and
> > there were the "body stone" varieties that left you
> > feeling drugged out and energyless and staring at a 
> > wall for hours, without ever having any actual interest
> > in the wall. 
> > 
> > The latter was just not my idea of a good time, and the 
> > whole scene is not my idea of a good time any more, 
> > period. But I was simply *amazed* that there were
> > people toking up on the "body stone" weed, basically
> > just "checking out" of life for a few hours, as if
> > that was just the bees' knees for them. It was like
> > the classic depictions of an opium den.
> > 
> > My suspicion, if this new synth marijuana is as
> > powerful as is hinted at in the article, that that's
> > the audience being targeted in the military. People
> > who hate their lives so much that they just want those
> > lives to *go away* for a few hours. Not my kinda scene, 
> > and it kinda scares me that for so many, it is theirs.
> > 
> > Not to mention the concern expressed in the article
> > for those making their lives go away and then oper-
> > ating military-grade machinery. Even though I may
> > have smoked my share of joints in my life, I was 
> > *not* comforted to learn of half-smoked joints found
> > on the floors of nuclear power plants. Similarly,
> > having grown up on US military bases and knowing
> > the kinds of toys they get to play with, I'm *not*
> > comforted by hearing that this synth marijuana is
> > popular on that playground.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: New 'Synthetic' Marijuana

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

There is a show called Weed Wars about life at the biggest dispensary in 
California.  The body buzz weed is higher in CBD rather than THC so it is less 
psychoactive but better for pain.  It is interesting to see how precisely they 
match the patient to the right blend to give them the best relief of symptoms.  
They have gone way past the simple indica/sativa distinctions. 

The analog molecules that are in the synthetic stuff isn't even close to this 
level of sophistication...yet.  There is much more to understand about the 
effects of this complex compound before you could do better than nature. So far 
it is a near miss, but a miss just the same.  Or so I have read...

>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > This is something new.  So far, it's legal.  But not for long.
> > 
> > http://news.yahoo.com/synthetic-marijuana-problem-us-military-082100931.html
> 
> Expect more of these designer drugs. There is money
> to be made in creating them, so they will be created.
> 
> I can speak only to what the Dutch have managed to
> do with lowly, grown-in-the-ground-or-in-hydroponic-
> tanks marijuana. When I first started coming to the
> Netherlands 15 or so years ago, I fully admit to 
> taking advantage of the herb's quasi-legal status and 
> trying some, pretty much for the first time since
> the Sixties.
> 
> What a difference a generation of Dutch geneticists
> made to that lowly weed. Back in the 60s I could 
> polish off a whole joint, no problem. But the modern
> stuff was 10 to 20 times more powerful, THC-wise. 
> The most I could handle was a couple of puffs. 
> 
> And the *variety*. There were blends that were prized
> for their inner or spiritual or hallucinatory qualities
> (which were the the only ones that interested me), and
> there were the "body stone" varieties that left you
> feeling drugged out and energyless and staring at a 
> wall for hours, without ever having any actual interest
> in the wall. 
> 
> The latter was just not my idea of a good time, and the 
> whole scene is not my idea of a good time any more, 
> period. But I was simply *amazed* that there were
> people toking up on the "body stone" weed, basically
> just "checking out" of life for a few hours, as if
> that was just the bees' knees for them. It was like
> the classic depictions of an opium den.
> 
> My suspicion, if this new synth marijuana is as
> powerful as is hinted at in the article, that that's
> the audience being targeted in the military. People
> who hate their lives so much that they just want those
> lives to *go away* for a few hours. Not my kinda scene, 
> and it kinda scares me that for so many, it is theirs.
> 
> Not to mention the concern expressed in the article
> for those making their lives go away and then oper-
> ating military-grade machinery. Even though I may
> have smoked my share of joints in my life, I was 
> *not* comforted to learn of half-smoked joints found
> on the floors of nuclear power plants. Similarly,
> having grown up on US military bases and knowing
> the kinds of toys they get to play with, I'm *not*
> comforted by hearing that this synth marijuana is
> popular on that playground.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: New 'Synthetic' Marijuana

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> This is something new.  So far, it's legal.  But not for long.
> 
> http://news.yahoo.com/synthetic-marijuana-problem-us-military-082100931.html

Expect more of these designer drugs. There is money
to be made in creating them, so they will be created.

I can speak only to what the Dutch have managed to
do with lowly, grown-in-the-ground-or-in-hydroponic-
tanks marijuana. When I first started coming to the
Netherlands 15 or so years ago, I fully admit to 
taking advantage of the herb's quasi-legal status and 
trying some, pretty much for the first time since
the Sixties.

What a difference a generation of Dutch geneticists
made to that lowly weed. Back in the 60s I could 
polish off a whole joint, no problem. But the modern
stuff was 10 to 20 times more powerful, THC-wise. 
The most I could handle was a couple of puffs. 

And the *variety*. There were blends that were prized
for their inner or spiritual or hallucinatory qualities
(which were the the only ones that interested me), and
there were the "body stone" varieties that left you
feeling drugged out and energyless and staring at a 
wall for hours, without ever having any actual interest
in the wall. 

The latter was just not my idea of a good time, and the 
whole scene is not my idea of a good time any more, 
period. But I was simply *amazed* that there were
people toking up on the "body stone" weed, basically
just "checking out" of life for a few hours, as if
that was just the bees' knees for them. It was like
the classic depictions of an opium den.

My suspicion, if this new synth marijuana is as
powerful as is hinted at in the article, that that's
the audience being targeted in the military. People
who hate their lives so much that they just want those
lives to *go away* for a few hours. Not my kinda scene, 
and it kinda scares me that for so many, it is theirs.

Not to mention the concern expressed in the article
for those making their lives go away and then oper-
ating military-grade machinery. Even though I may
have smoked my share of joints in my life, I was 
*not* comforted to learn of half-smoked joints found
on the floors of nuclear power plants. Similarly,
having grown up on US military bases and knowing
the kinds of toys they get to play with, I'm *not*
comforted by hearing that this synth marijuana is
popular on that playground.

[FairfieldLife] New 'Synthetic' Marijuana

2011-12-30 Thread John

This is something new.  So far, it's legal.  But not for long.

http://news.yahoo.com/synthetic-marijuana-problem-us-military-082100931.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic War and the Pizza Effect

I recently read about people taking a technology sabbath on Sundays by having 
the whole family unplug for a day.  I would like to do it, it would do me so 
much good.  But short of an intervention I am not sure I am going to pull it 
off on my own!  





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > I am coining the term iphone orphans. I see it all the time, 
> > parents walking with kids and intend of interacting with them 
> > they are glued to screens. You can see whole families around 
> > restaurant tables each in their own cyber world.
> 
> It may actually be worse in Europe. In Spain I got used
> to seeing people walking through crowded streets, eyes
> glued to their phone screens, somehow using bat-like sonar
> to navigate the crowds without running into other people
> doing exactly the same thing. It was as if in losing con-
> tact with the real world they had developed some kind of 
> compensatory siddhi for getting by in it. :-) Same in 
> Paris last time I was there, and it's certainly the same 
> in the Netherlands. 
> 
> The other day one of my housemates was punching away at
> her iPhone, grousing that her boyfriend was on his way 
> here from the UK via train, and because there is some 
> kind of weird bad reception zone when crossing Belgium 
> he wasn't getting any of the texts she was sending to him. 
> I said quietly, "Have you tried actually calling him, as 
> if that's what phones were invented for?"
> 
> She cracked up, and so did I. She dialed, and he answered,
> no problem. 
> 
> As Marshall McLuhan said so wisely, "Man shapes his tools,
> but thereafter his tools shape him."
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Speaking of video gaming, I just learned of international 
> > > > competitions in a game called Star Craft 2.  Lots of money 
> > > > to be made if you win. The best players on the planet are 
> > > > young Koreans, who actually spend  every waking moment  
> > > > perfecting their strategy and their hand eye coordination.  
> > > > Apparently, Americans have gone to Korea to train with them 
> > > > and prepare for a big international playoff in February in 
> > > > Korea.
> > > > 
> > > > Technology is changing society and our brains.  Work places 
> > > > can no longer track the sites visited and amount of time spent 
> > > > when employees are on the job.  With IPhones, you don't need 
> > > > to use the company computer.  I see it at my job with a 
> > > > colleague addicted to her IPhone and texting her children - 
> > > > about half her day is spent texting (not an exaggeration) 
> > > > and her boss has no clue. Her college age children are 
> > > > connected to her all day long!!  Businesses lose as employees 
> > > > really only work part-time, and our brains are being rewired 
> > > > as we get ultra social with many many people non-stop. Near 
> > > > constant multi-tasking with little real in depth thinking. 
> > > > Or our kids narrow their focus to video games for hours on 
> > > > end. Some are wistful - I spoke with a 7th grader the other 
> > > > day and he said he wished he lived back in the days before 
> > > > everyone had IPhones, and email.  He has never known life 
> > > > without it all.  He said it all overwhelms him with 
> > > > information and the expectation to be on top of things. 
> > > > And even when his family goes to the beach they are all 
> > > > constantly looking at their phones.  It is not going away.
> > > 
> > > This touches on what I was rapping about earlier, whether
> > > the Internet mindset is antithetical to spiritual life. I
> > > think a lot of the rudeness and cluelessness we see on the
> > > Internet is due to the fact that people lost in these 
> > > everpresent cyberworlds have lost touch with what it's
> > > like to function in the real world. When people whose
> > > lives revolve around how many Facebook Friends they have
> > > or how many people follow them on Twitter hit a so-called
> > > spiritual forum, well duh...they're going to act there
> > > just like they act on the other social media. 
> > > 
> > > http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s14e04-you-have-0-friends
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: US Responds to Iran Threat

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Well said, and I agreed with everything up to the point of 
> > separating Maharishi's spiritual power from how he treated 
> > people. For me these are one and the same and he doesn't 
> > make the grade for the values I have now.
> > 
> > One of the worst fallouts for fulltime people was taking 
> > into our identity that we have no needs and should not look 
> > our for our individual interests in the midst of his super 
> > fantastic bubble plastic plan.  It got internalized that 
> > we were expendable worker ants in his colony.  It lead to 
> > an odd erosion of self-value and worth.  You become a human 
> > doing instead of a human being.  It is reminiscent of a 
> > dysfunctional family model with is one reason it was a fit 
> > for many of us.  Till it wasn't!
> 
> I remember well the very moment it all coalesced for me, and 
> I decided I could never work for the TMO or Maharishi again.  
> A shocker but a relief and it felt good to get clear about my 
> priorities and what was not acceptable.  And yes, it is true 
> that many of us put up with it all due to our own family 
> backgrounds.  I played that dutiful eldest child role way too 
> long in my birth family, and effortlessly found it again with 
> MMY.  Human doing is a great term.  And then I grew up, got 
> some therapy and started the ongoing process of living.

Interesting. The "walking away moment."

I have one for the Rama trip, but recollecting just now,
I don't think I have one for TM and Maharishi. I had gone
to my TM-Sidhi course in Switzerland, been underwhelmed
by the experience, and returned to the US, assuming that
I'd go back to work at National. Only for some reason 
when I got back to L.A. I resisted telling anyone at
National that I was back. Instead I went out and got a 
real-world job. Not a very good job, but a real world
job. I rented an apartment, worked during the day, and
when I felt like it drove over to the delapidated ware-
house that served as L.A.s butt-bouncing facility after
work, to "do program" there. It didn't take long for
me to figure out that "doing program" was the least
enjoyable part of my day. I stopped going, and stopped
thinking of myself as a TM teacher.

[FairfieldLife] Re: US Responds to Iran Threat

High five for making your life work!

'Human doing' was ripped off from John Bradshaw whose books helped me put my 
life back together after the movement.  He was a popular dysfunctional family 
therapist with a show on PBS and a couple of books out like The Family and 
Healing the Shame that Binds You.  It was tremedously helpful for me at the 
time dealing with the family issues that had only been prolonged by years in 
the movement.

So much of what I had hoped for in my development in my 20's has come from just 
growing up.  I wish I could go back in time and tell my young self to chill out 
on all the self development focus and to just get out in the world and interact 
with as many different kinds of people as possble.  Instead I went into the 
movemnt caccoon of people who thought like me!

But is it our life and we have to love it, right?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Well said, and I agreed with everything up to the point of separating 
> > Maharishi's spiritual power from how he treated people. For me these are 
> > one and the same and he doesn't make the grade for the values I have now.
> > 
> > One of the worst fallouts for fulltime people was taking into our identity 
> > that we have no needs and should not look our for our individual interests 
> > in the midst of his super fantastic bubble plastic plan.  It got 
> > internalized that we were expendable worker ants in his colony.  It lead to 
> > an odd erosion of self-value and worth.  You become a human doing instead 
> > of a human being.  It is reminiscent of a dysfunctional family model with 
> > is one reason it was a fit for many of us.  Till it wasn't!
> 
> I remember well the very moment it all coalesced for me, and I decided I 
> could never work for the TMO or Maharishi again.  A shocker but a relief and 
> it felt good to get clear about my priorities and what was not acceptable.  
> And yes, it is true that many of us put up with it all due to our own family 
> backgrounds.  I played that dutiful eldest child role way too long in my 
> birth family, and effortlessly found it again with MMY.  Human doing is a 
> great term.  And then I grew up, got some therapy and started the ongoing 
> process of living.
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Although he paid lip service to being against capitalism in your often 
> > > > repeated quote, I have never worked for a more capitalist boss than 
> > > > Maharishi.  His organization was always and continues to be ranked by 
> > > > the economic status of his members.  Working for him on staff was a 
> > > > challenging confrontation with this principle of the rich get 
> > > > everything and you get the leftovers.  I remember when I was working in 
> > > > his facility in DC full-time and met with the advanced technique 
> > > > teachers and the facility head staff.  I asked them why we have 
> > > > full-time people who can't afford the next techniques because they are 
> > > > working on staff and getting a tiny stipend.  Why  is it that the most 
> > > > devoted to fulfilling Maharishi's mission are the ones most likely to 
> > > > be cut out?
> > > > 
> > > > Their answer was pure Republican spun capitalism, it could have been 
> > > > delivered by Newt Gingrich.  Maharishi was using us to renovate that 
> > > > property which he flipped for a profit, sharing none of the profits 
> > > > with his workers for even something so fundamentally humane as health 
> > > > care.
> > > > 
> > > > So hearing Maharishi's quote about how capitalism is going to fail 
> > > > would ring a bit truer if it had failed in his own organization.   He 
> > > > was an old school robber baron capitalist to the end.
> > > 
> > > How very true!  Old School for sure. And your scenario played out over 
> > > and over and over in the TMO.  Full-time teachers of TM were paid as 
> > > individual contractors and therefore did not get deductions for (or 
> > > retirement buildup) of social security. Health benefits were not on the 
> > > table - who would need them if we meditated?  And there was no way MMY 
> > > was going to pay for that for anyone. Then there was the cancelation of 
> > > hard-earned  ATR credits (built up from each initiation over the years 
> > > and to be used to go on advanced courses. The idea was that instead of 
> > > paying you enough money, you got less cash income but this credit for 
> > > future advanced courses). He just insisted that it be cancelled one day - 
> > > some people had saved their credits for years!! TM teachers and all the 
> > > people working so hard on buildings were treated poorly. In retrospect, I 
> > > think this was the Ind

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic War and the Pizza Effect



On Dec 30, 2011, at 12:20 PM, Susan wrote:

I find this hard to believe - that the government is paying for  
these schools. But I am going to ask an Indian friend who returns  
to Delhi with her family every year for a few weeks. I know there  
is a sense that the Westerners rediscovered or co-opted yoga and  
Vedic science in the 1980's and 90's, and now the upper middle  
classes in India (and those Indians who have landed in the US) are  
noticing and reclaiming it.


I don't follow all your posts, but would it be accurate to say that  
you are very anti-Vedic "knowledge" and tradition and Vedic- 
inspired spiritual practices? Do you see any common ground with  
your Buddhist tradition?


I'm probably as open to it as anyone having studied with a Rig Veda  
pundit for many years when I was younger, I'm trained in Ayurveda and  
Jyotish as well. But I've also looked into the dark side of what  
Vedic tradition has done to India as well.


Buddhist tradition revises itself as new evidence comes in. Vedic  
tradition is "eternal". In one, the prophets face backwards, in the  
other, they face forward.



My first post was the following:

The real purpose of Vedic science is the establishment of Hindu  
supremacy. The main targets are the schools, both public and  
parochial, where a massive Hinduization of history and science  
curricula is going on. The fantastic claims of Hindu science  
enthusiasts are dangerous because under the current regime, they have  
a very good chance of finding their way into school textbooks. The  
Hindu nationalist groups together run some 20,000 low-cost private  
schools, teaching 2.4 million children, with nearly a thousand new  
schools coming up every month (The New York Times, May 13, 2002).  
These outfits also run special residential schools in tribal areas  
and urban slums where they openly indoctrinate disadvantaged children  
into hardcore nationalist ideology. These schools are the Hindu  
equivalent of madarasas in Pakistan. Science teaching in these  
schools is already heavily Hinduized. According to Tanika Sarkar  
(1996, 243) who has studied urban schools run by the Rashtriya  
Swayamsewak Sangh, "scientific education, whether on physics or  
mathematics, is always concluded with Hindu textual approximation  
mentioned as the real source of that knowledge. There is a confident  
disregard of authenticated detail, and of boundaries between myth and  
reality that postmodernists would appreciate."


The Rashtriya Swayamsewak Sangh's agenda of Hinduization of education  
is now close to becoming the official policy of the Indian  
government. The new National Curriculum Framework for School  
Education announced by the current government in November 2000  
promises to inculcate patriotism and national pride by "indigenizing  
education." A major component of indigenization will be highlighting  
"India's contribution to world wisdom" which will include all the  
usual items, from Ayurveda to yoga. In addition, the new curricula  
will require that religious/spiritual teachings be "judiciously  
integrated" with all subjects so as to raise the "spiritual quotient"  
of the students.' After two years of court challenges, in September  
2002, India's Supreme Court allowed the government to go ahead with  
the new framework.


The real threat of Vedic science is not to research and development  
in science, but to the educational system that is gearing up to  
produce a Hindu supremacist mind-set.


Prophets Facing Backward
Meera Nanda

A must read for all Vedic Science, MIU/MUM and MSAE fans past and  
present.

---

Some more Hints at how widespread this phenomenon are looking actual  
scientific advances made in India and how that is then Vedicized:


In April 2001, the Indian Space Research Organization made history by  
successfully putting a satellite into the geo-stationary orbit,  
36,000 km above the earth. In July 2001, the University Grants  
Commission, the central body overseeing the funding of higher  
education, announced its plans to offer courses in Vedic astrology  
[jyotish] as science courses in India's universities and colleges.  
Astrology has been declared to be a legitimate subject of scientific  
inquiry, worthy of new research and training, complete with funds for  
libraries, laboratories, and faculty, The same space power that takes  
justified pride in its ability to touch the stars, will soon start  
educating its youth in how to read our fortunes and misfortunes in  
the stars and how to propitiate the heavens through appropriate  
rituals. For all we know, the satellites launched by India's own  
launch vehicles might some day carry internet signals that will make  
horoscopes easier to match! The pizza effect was in action; the  
education ministry defended its decision to offer Vedic astrology in  
colleges and universities on the grounds that it was gaining new  
adherents in the West, and India needed to match the demand wit

Re: [FairfieldLife] Symbian not dead yet!?

On 12/30/2011 07:41 AM, cardemaister wrote:
> http://www.webpronews.com/nokia%E2%80%99s-symbian-finishes-as-2011%E2%80%99s-top-mobile-os-2011-12

Why Windows Phone 7 isn't going anywhere by the guy who helped develop it:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-57348604-17/oh-windows-phone-why-is-android-winning-an-ex-gm-laments/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic War and the Pizza Effect

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> I am coining the term iphone orphans. I see it all the time, 
> parents walking with kids and intend of interacting with them 
> they are glued to screens. You can see whole families around 
> restaurant tables each in their own cyber world.

It may actually be worse in Europe. In Spain I got used
to seeing people walking through crowded streets, eyes
glued to their phone screens, somehow using bat-like sonar
to navigate the crowds without running into other people
doing exactly the same thing. It was as if in losing con-
tact with the real world they had developed some kind of 
compensatory siddhi for getting by in it. :-) Same in 
Paris last time I was there, and it's certainly the same 
in the Netherlands. 

The other day one of my housemates was punching away at
her iPhone, grousing that her boyfriend was on his way 
here from the UK via train, and because there is some 
kind of weird bad reception zone when crossing Belgium 
he wasn't getting any of the texts she was sending to him. 
I said quietly, "Have you tried actually calling him, as 
if that's what phones were invented for?"

She cracked up, and so did I. She dialed, and he answered,
no problem. 

As Marshall McLuhan said so wisely, "Man shapes his tools,
but thereafter his tools shape him."

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Speaking of video gaming, I just learned of international 
> > > competitions in a game called Star Craft 2.  Lots of money 
> > > to be made if you win. The best players on the planet are 
> > > young Koreans, who actually spend  every waking moment  
> > > perfecting their strategy and their hand eye coordination.  
> > > Apparently, Americans have gone to Korea to train with them 
> > > and prepare for a big international playoff in February in 
> > > Korea.
> > > 
> > > Technology is changing society and our brains.  Work places 
> > > can no longer track the sites visited and amount of time spent 
> > > when employees are on the job.  With IPhones, you don't need 
> > > to use the company computer.  I see it at my job with a 
> > > colleague addicted to her IPhone and texting her children - 
> > > about half her day is spent texting (not an exaggeration) 
> > > and her boss has no clue. Her college age children are 
> > > connected to her all day long!!  Businesses lose as employees 
> > > really only work part-time, and our brains are being rewired 
> > > as we get ultra social with many many people non-stop. Near 
> > > constant multi-tasking with little real in depth thinking. 
> > > Or our kids narrow their focus to video games for hours on 
> > > end. Some are wistful - I spoke with a 7th grader the other 
> > > day and he said he wished he lived back in the days before 
> > > everyone had IPhones, and email.  He has never known life 
> > > without it all.  He said it all overwhelms him with 
> > > information and the expectation to be on top of things. 
> > > And even when his family goes to the beach they are all 
> > > constantly looking at their phones.  It is not going away.
> > 
> > This touches on what I was rapping about earlier, whether
> > the Internet mindset is antithetical to spiritual life. I
> > think a lot of the rudeness and cluelessness we see on the
> > Internet is due to the fact that people lost in these 
> > everpresent cyberworlds have lost touch with what it's
> > like to function in the real world. When people whose
> > lives revolve around how many Facebook Friends they have
> > or how many people follow them on Twitter hit a so-called
> > spiritual forum, well duh...they're going to act there
> > just like they act on the other social media. 
> > 
> > http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s14e04-you-have-0-friends
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Scientists propose new calendar

The only part of this I like is using UT and no time zones.  As I 
mentioned yesterday you would always know what time to call friend in 
Mumbango. Plus it would be easier to know when the Post Count roles 
over. ;-)

I don't think the public will like the rest of it either.
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Scientists-Propose-Drastic-Calendar-Change-136423238.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: US Responds to Iran Threat



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> Well said, and I agreed with everything up to the point of separating 
> Maharishi's spiritual power from how he treated people. For me these are one 
> and the same and he doesn't make the grade for the values I have now.
> 
> One of the worst fallouts for fulltime people was taking into our identity 
> that we have no needs and should not look our for our individual interests in 
> the midst of his super fantastic bubble plastic plan.  It got internalized 
> that we were expendable worker ants in his colony.  It lead to an odd erosion 
> of self-value and worth.  You become a human doing instead of a human being.  
> It is reminiscent of a dysfunctional family model with is one reason it was a 
> fit for many of us.  Till it wasn't!

I remember well the very moment it all coalesced for me, and I decided I could 
never work for the TMO or Maharishi again.  A shocker but a relief and it felt 
good to get clear about my priorities and what was not acceptable.  And yes, it 
is true that many of us put up with it all due to our own family backgrounds.  
I played that dutiful eldest child role way too long in my birth family, and 
effortlessly found it again with MMY.  Human doing is a great term.  And then I 
grew up, got some therapy and started the ongoing process of living.

> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > 
> > > Although he paid lip service to being against capitalism in your often 
> > > repeated quote, I have never worked for a more capitalist boss than 
> > > Maharishi.  His organization was always and continues to be ranked by the 
> > > economic status of his members.  Working for him on staff was a 
> > > challenging confrontation with this principle of the rich get everything 
> > > and you get the leftovers.  I remember when I was working in his facility 
> > > in DC full-time and met with the advanced technique teachers and the 
> > > facility head staff.  I asked them why we have full-time people who can't 
> > > afford the next techniques because they are working on staff and getting 
> > > a tiny stipend.  Why  is it that the most devoted to fulfilling 
> > > Maharishi's mission are the ones most likely to be cut out?
> > > 
> > > Their answer was pure Republican spun capitalism, it could have been 
> > > delivered by Newt Gingrich.  Maharishi was using us to renovate that 
> > > property which he flipped for a profit, sharing none of the profits with 
> > > his workers for even something so fundamentally humane as health care.
> > > 
> > > So hearing Maharishi's quote about how capitalism is going to fail would 
> > > ring a bit truer if it had failed in his own organization.   He was an 
> > > old school robber baron capitalist to the end.
> > 
> > How very true!  Old School for sure. And your scenario played out over and 
> > over and over in the TMO.  Full-time teachers of TM were paid as individual 
> > contractors and therefore did not get deductions for (or retirement 
> > buildup) of social security. Health benefits were not on the table - who 
> > would need them if we meditated?  And there was no way MMY was going to pay 
> > for that for anyone. Then there was the cancelation of hard-earned  ATR 
> > credits (built up from each initiation over the years and to be used to go 
> > on advanced courses. The idea was that instead of paying you enough money, 
> > you got less cash income but this credit for future advanced courses). He 
> > just insisted that it be cancelled one day - some people had saved their 
> > credits for years!! TM teachers and all the people working so hard on 
> > buildings were treated poorly. In retrospect, I think this was the Indian 
> > way to treat people below you. It was part of MMY's culture.  We all 
> > thought being a TM teacher was important and an act of devotion, but I 
> > think that most of the time MMY looked at us as employees in his business.  
> > Overlay all that with devotion to Maharishi and the guru mentality, and 
> > there was no way to ask for things to change.  If that is an example of an 
> > Enlightened Monarchy, then count me out.  There was no sense of the 
> > Enlightened leader wanting the best for his people, long term.  I would 
> > feel a heck of a lot safer with something like a union, or a leader who was 
> > reasonable and could put himself in the shoes of his people and see what 
> > they needed.  Enlightenment is not qualification enough to rule over 
> > others. Spiritually, MMY was powerful and incredible.  In real-life stuff, 
> > his background really got in the way of basic decency.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ==
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > ---

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic War and the Pizza Effect



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Dec 30, 2011, at 11:28 AM, Susan wrote:
> 
> > Wayback: Very interesting post, Vaj. The use of science to validate  
> > spiritual experiences is one thing, but using the Vedic knowledge  
> > to justify all sorts of applications of science is something I had  
> > not considered, altho it all rings familiar. I wonder how prevalent  
> > this view is in India, really?
> 
> 
> It's actually the rule rather than the exception. The Indian  
> government sponsors huge numbers of (basically) Vedic madrasas to  
> indoctrinate their children in Vedic Science.

I find this hard to believe - that the government is paying for these schools.  
But I am going to ask an Indian friend who returns to Delhi with her family 
every year for a few weeks.  I know there is a sense that the Westerners 
rediscovered or co-opted yoga and Vedic science in the 1980's and 90's, and now 
the upper middle classes in India (and those Indians who have landed in the US) 
are noticing and reclaiming it.

I don't follow all your posts, but would it be accurate to say that you are 
very anti-Vedic "knowledge" and tradition and Vedic-inspired spiritual 
practices?  Do you see any common ground with your Buddhist tradition?
> 
> If you can imagine some Republican Moral Majority party taking over  
> the US Govt. and imposing Creationism on our schools, museums, etc. -  
> that's what's already happened in India.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic War and the Pizza Effect

I am coining the term iphone orphans. I see it all the time, parents walking 
with kids and intend of interacting with them they are glued to screens.  You 
can see whole families around restaurant tables each in their own cyber world.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> >
> > Speaking of video gaming, I just learned of international 
> > competitions in a game called Star Craft 2.  Lots of money 
> > to be made if you win. The best players on the planet are 
> > young Koreans, who actually spend  every waking moment  
> > perfecting their strategy and their hand eye coordination.  
> > Apparently, Americans have gone to Korea to train with them 
> > and prepare for a big international playoff in February in 
> > Korea.
> > 
> > Technology is changing society and our brains.  Work places 
> > can no longer track the sites visited and amount of time spent 
> > when employees are on the job.  With IPhones, you don't need 
> > to use the company computer.  I see it at my job with a 
> > colleague addicted to her IPhone and texting her children - 
> > about half her day is spent texting (not an exaggeration) 
> > and her boss has no clue. Her college age children are 
> > connected to her all day long!!  Businesses lose as employees 
> > really only work part-time, and our brains are being rewired 
> > as we get ultra social with many many people non-stop. Near 
> > constant multi-tasking with little real in depth thinking. 
> > Or our kids narrow their focus to video games for hours on 
> > end. Some are wistful - I spoke with a 7th grader the other 
> > day and he said he wished he lived back in the days before 
> > everyone had IPhones, and email.  He has never known life 
> > without it all.  He said it all overwhelms him with 
> > information and the expectation to be on top of things. 
> > And even when his family goes to the beach they are all 
> > constantly looking at their phones.  It is not going away.
> 
> This touches on what I was rapping about earlier, whether
> the Internet mindset is antithetical to spiritual life. I
> think a lot of the rudeness and cluelessness we see on the
> Internet is due to the fact that people lost in these 
> everpresent cyberworlds have lost touch with what it's
> like to function in the real world. When people whose
> lives revolve around how many Facebook Friends they have
> or how many people follow them on Twitter hit a so-called
> spiritual forum, well duh...they're going to act there
> just like they act on the other social media. 
> 
> http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s14e04-you-have-0-friends
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: US Responds to Iran Threat

Well said, and I agreed with everything up to the point of separating 
Maharishi's spiritual power from how he treated people. For me these are one 
and the same and he doesn't make the grade for the values I have now.

One of the worst fallouts for fulltime people was taking into our identity that 
we have no needs and should not look our for our individual interests in the 
midst of his super fantastic bubble plastic plan.  It got internalized that we 
were expendable worker ants in his colony.  It lead to an odd erosion of 
self-value and worth.  You become a human doing instead of a human being.  It 
is reminiscent of a dysfunctional family model with is one reason it was a fit 
for many of us.  Till it wasn't!



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > 
> > Although he paid lip service to being against capitalism in your often 
> > repeated quote, I have never worked for a more capitalist boss than 
> > Maharishi.  His organization was always and continues to be ranked by the 
> > economic status of his members.  Working for him on staff was a challenging 
> > confrontation with this principle of the rich get everything and you get 
> > the leftovers.  I remember when I was working in his facility in DC 
> > full-time and met with the advanced technique teachers and the facility 
> > head staff.  I asked them why we have full-time people who can't afford the 
> > next techniques because they are working on staff and getting a tiny 
> > stipend.  Why  is it that the most devoted to fulfilling Maharishi's 
> > mission are the ones most likely to be cut out?
> > 
> > Their answer was pure Republican spun capitalism, it could have been 
> > delivered by Newt Gingrich.  Maharishi was using us to renovate that 
> > property which he flipped for a profit, sharing none of the profits with 
> > his workers for even something so fundamentally humane as health care.
> > 
> > So hearing Maharishi's quote about how capitalism is going to fail would 
> > ring a bit truer if it had failed in his own organization.   He was an old 
> > school robber baron capitalist to the end.
> 
> How very true!  Old School for sure. And your scenario played out over and 
> over and over in the TMO.  Full-time teachers of TM were paid as individual 
> contractors and therefore did not get deductions for (or retirement buildup) 
> of social security. Health benefits were not on the table - who would need 
> them if we meditated?  And there was no way MMY was going to pay for that for 
> anyone. Then there was the cancelation of hard-earned  ATR credits (built up 
> from each initiation over the years and to be used to go on advanced courses. 
> The idea was that instead of paying you enough money, you got less cash 
> income but this credit for future advanced courses). He just insisted that it 
> be cancelled one day - some people had saved their credits for years!! TM 
> teachers and all the people working so hard on buildings were treated poorly. 
> In retrospect, I think this was the Indian way to treat people below you. It 
> was part of MMY's culture.  We all thought being a TM teacher was important 
> and an act of devotion, but I think that most of the time MMY looked at us as 
> employees in his business.  Overlay all that with devotion to Maharishi and 
> the guru mentality, and there was no way to ask for things to change.  If 
> that is an example of an Enlightened Monarchy, then count me out.  There was 
> no sense of the Enlightened leader wanting the best for his people, long 
> term.  I would feel a heck of a lot safer with something like a union, or a 
> leader who was reasonable and could put himself in the shoes of his people 
> and see what they needed.  Enlightenment is not qualification enough to rule 
> over others. Spiritually, MMY was powerful and incredible.  In real-life 
> stuff, his background really got in the way of basic decency.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ==
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Abolishing public schools???  not a good idea.  I know they seem like 
> > > > > a failure, but that is only in the eyes of our own nation.  Try going 
> > > > > to other countries and see what it's like living somewhere where 
> > > > > there is no well established education. 
> > > > 
> > > > Wayback: Or try going to countries that have even more support for 
> > > > public education - where you can go to college for Free if you qualify. 
> > > >  College now costs over $50,000 per year at private schools in the US. 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > And all they learn is to try to perpetuate a doomed capitalistic system. 
> > > What a waste.
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apollo 18

On 12/29/2011 08:54 PM, ultrarishi wrote:
> Thanks for the review of the film.  Not exactly Capricorn One, but close.
>
> About the Blu Ray player.  Can you watch, for example, Daily Show episodes 
> using the browser feature?
>
> Happy Holidays!

I doubt it as the browser locked up on one page when I tried to play a 
YouTube video on it.  Of course there is a YouTube app to play any 
YouTube video.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic War and the Pizza Effect



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> >
> > Speaking of video gaming, I just learned of international 
> > competitions in a game called Star Craft 2.  Lots of money 
> > to be made if you win. The best players on the planet are 
> > young Koreans, who actually spend  every waking moment  
> > perfecting their strategy and their hand eye coordination.  
> > Apparently, Americans have gone to Korea to train with them 
> > and prepare for a big international playoff in February in 
> > Korea.
> > 
> > Technology is changing society and our brains.  Work places 
> > can no longer track the sites visited and amount of time spent 
> > when employees are on the job.  With IPhones, you don't need 
> > to use the company computer.  I see it at my job with a 
> > colleague addicted to her IPhone and texting her children - 
> > about half her day is spent texting (not an exaggeration) 
> > and her boss has no clue. Her college age children are 
> > connected to her all day long!!  Businesses lose as employees 
> > really only work part-time, and our brains are being rewired 
> > as we get ultra social with many many people non-stop. Near 
> > constant multi-tasking with little real in depth thinking. 
> > Or our kids narrow their focus to video games for hours on 
> > end. Some are wistful - I spoke with a 7th grader the other 
> > day and he said he wished he lived back in the days before 
> > everyone had IPhones, and email.  He has never known life 
> > without it all.  He said it all overwhelms him with 
> > information and the expectation to be on top of things. 
> > And even when his family goes to the beach they are all 
> > constantly looking at their phones.  It is not going away.
> 
> This touches on what I was rapping about earlier, whether
> the Internet mindset is antithetical to spiritual life. I
> think a lot of the rudeness and cluelessness we see on the
> Internet is due to the fact that people lost in these 
> everpresent cyberworlds have lost touch with what it's
> like to function in the real world. When people whose
> lives revolve around how many Facebook Friends they have
> or how many people follow them on Twitter hit a so-called
> spiritual forum, well duh...they're going to act there
> just like they act on the other social media. 
> 
> http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s14e04-you-have-0-friends
>

Saw that episode.  Love it!

[FairfieldLife] Re: US Responds to Iran Threat



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> 
> Although he paid lip service to being against capitalism in your often 
> repeated quote, I have never worked for a more capitalist boss than 
> Maharishi.  His organization was always and continues to be ranked by the 
> economic status of his members.  Working for him on staff was a challenging 
> confrontation with this principle of the rich get everything and you get the 
> leftovers.  I remember when I was working in his facility in DC full-time and 
> met with the advanced technique teachers and the facility head staff.  I 
> asked them why we have full-time people who can't afford the next techniques 
> because they are working on staff and getting a tiny stipend.  Why  is it 
> that the most devoted to fulfilling Maharishi's mission are the ones most 
> likely to be cut out?
> 
> Their answer was pure Republican spun capitalism, it could have been 
> delivered by Newt Gingrich.  Maharishi was using us to renovate that property 
> which he flipped for a profit, sharing none of the profits with his workers 
> for even something so fundamentally humane as health care.
> 
> So hearing Maharishi's quote about how capitalism is going to fail would ring 
> a bit truer if it had failed in his own organization.   He was an old school 
> robber baron capitalist to the end.

How very true!  Old School for sure. And your scenario played out over and over 
and over in the TMO.  Full-time teachers of TM were paid as individual 
contractors and therefore did not get deductions for (or retirement buildup) of 
social security. Health benefits were not on the table - who would need them if 
we meditated?  And there was no way MMY was going to pay for that for anyone. 
Then there was the cancelation of hard-earned  ATR credits (built up from each 
initiation over the years and to be used to go on advanced courses. The idea 
was that instead of paying you enough money, you got less cash income but this 
credit for future advanced courses). He just insisted that it be cancelled one 
day - some people had saved their credits for years!! TM teachers and all the 
people working so hard on buildings were treated poorly. In retrospect, I think 
this was the Indian way to treat people below you. It was part of MMY's 
culture.  We all thought being a TM teacher was important and an act of 
devotion, but I think that most of the time MMY looked at us as employees in 
his business.  Overlay all that with devotion to Maharishi and the guru 
mentality, and there was no way to ask for things to change.  If that is an 
example of an Enlightened Monarchy, then count me out.  There was no sense of 
the Enlightened leader wanting the best for his people, long term.  I would 
feel a heck of a lot safer with something like a union, or a leader who was 
reasonable and could put himself in the shoes of his people and see what they 
needed.  Enlightenment is not qualification enough to rule over others. 
Spiritually, MMY was powerful and incredible.  In real-life stuff, his 
background really got in the way of basic decency.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ==
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation"  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Abolishing public schools???  not a good idea.  I know they seem like a 
> > > > failure, but that is only in the eyes of our own nation.  Try going to 
> > > > other countries and see what it's like living somewhere where there is 
> > > > no well established education. 
> > > 
> > > Wayback: Or try going to countries that have even more support for public 
> > > education - where you can go to college for Free if you qualify.  College 
> > > now costs over $50,000 per year at private schools in the US. 
> >  
> > 
> > And all they learn is to try to perpetuate a doomed capitalistic system. 
> > What a waste.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic War and the Pizza Effect

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > 
> > I have a serious question for you and I hope you take a moment to answer 
> > it.  How do you determine who is a prophet?  In particular, how can you 
> > explain why Guru Dev is a prophet, but Rev, Sun Yung Moon is not?  What are 
> > the criteria and how can you transcends your provincialism of being 
> > attached to the group you have identified with for so long? How might a 
> > person who has spent the same time in Moon's group become convinced that 
> > they are following a false prophet and you have the right one?
> > 
> > This lies at the heart of all systems who appeal to the special status of 
> > insight for a group's leader.  What your challenge of coming to Fairfield 
> > basically says is, if you were one of us, you would think more like us.  
> > 
> > This is the dangerous failure of any system who relies on prophets in a 
> > multicultural world.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > people remain  
> > > > mired in a view of the world that is deeply irrational and  
> > > > objectively false. 
> > > > 
> > > > Nanda Meera
> > > > Prophets Facing Backward
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Well, that's certainly a point of view from Nanda'a simple lack of 
> > > spiritual experience, just arguing with the progress of the new age.  He 
> > > and intellectuals like him should come and sit in Fairfield for a while 
> > > now, then they'd know.
> > > 
> > > Jai the SatGurus, who have come forward as prophets,
> > > -Buck in FF
> > >
> >
> 
> Dear CurtisDb,  you know it when you experience it.
> The tru spiritual prophets are those who can teach it and give the experience.

First thanks for responding.  I think this is kind of a key point even from the 
perspective of your agenda of promoting TM.  I will challenge your response in 
that spirit that we can both further our thinking here.

Don't you see the problem with this answer?  Moonies experience "it" to and can 
say the same thing back to you. Have you had his darshon?  How can you dismiss 
that experience?

> It's like looking at Yifu's art work here or Ravi's ravings or some of the 
> prurient posts of others, you know the pornographic and un-spiritual ones 
> when you see them.  Communities have standards of these things.  Spiritual 
> communities have standards by experience too. 

Here you just make my point. Even here, given the similarities in our 
backgrounds and cultural contexts, the views of Ravi are all over the map.  We 
have Judy kissing what we can hopefully assume is his face, and others who 
think he is totally nucking futs.  So your description is circular and self 
centered on your background. In the spiritual communities in Afghanistan is is 
known to their hearts that honor killing is a spiritual duty of a family member 
and when interviewed after killing his own sister by Dianne Sawyer, the brother 
responded with pride, not shame for his actions. 

And lets look at how successful even your tiny community of Fairfield is on 
such a consensus.  You have no such consensus even there.

And who is going to be the judge of this?  Again your definitions are circular, 
if you think like me, you think like me.

<  Borrowing from old western terms, prophets in this sense are the helpful 
ones, the spiritual teachers who can bring spiritual experience by virtue of 
spiritual experience.  A lot of people in FF have had a lot of experience with 
this.  You might not know it but it is a more common and communal sense here by 
experience.>

If there was a consensus then every saint would have every one get darshon as 
if Maharishi came to town. That isn't what happens is it?  And it isn't only 
Raja oppression, some people just don't see every saint the same do they?
> 
> I got to go to work, move ewes from their ram now.  Work of the moment, I'll 
> be back after dark.>

What a life Doug! High five for that.  I would love to buy one of your lambs in 
the Spring and worship it with offerings of rosemary and garlic!  I bought some 
from a local farmer last year and it was the best lamb I have ever eaten. He 
says his sheep are dumb as rocks but his pigs are smart as dogs.
> 
> Best, 
> -Buck  
> 
> P.S., An amazing grace of human spirituality is that in addition to 1) people 
> just sharing their experience by talking about it, or 2) writing about it 
> (scriptural), 3) some can be helpful and 'give it' to others.  The amazing 
> grace of the modern world now is the scope of communication and now that 4) 
> science can even show and teach human spirituality.  It is a remarkable 
> change of just the last half century.  Even in spite of  spiritual skeptics, 
> doctrinaire religionists, god-less Maoist communists, and some here on FFL.

Mao was their God and they did experience his divinity.  Millions upon millions 
of people.  Again, you ma

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic War and the Pizza Effect



On Dec 30, 2011, at 11:28 AM, Susan wrote:

Wayback: Very interesting post, Vaj. The use of science to validate  
spiritual experiences is one thing, but using the Vedic knowledge  
to justify all sorts of applications of science is something I had  
not considered, altho it all rings familiar. I wonder how prevalent  
this view is in India, really?



It's actually the rule rather than the exception. The Indian  
government sponsors huge numbers of (basically) Vedic madrasas to  
indoctrinate their children in Vedic Science.


If you can imagine some Republican Moral Majority party taking over  
the US Govt. and imposing Creationism on our schools, museums, etc. -  
that's what's already happened in India.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic War and the Pizza Effect

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
>
> Speaking of video gaming, I just learned of international 
> competitions in a game called Star Craft 2.  Lots of money 
> to be made if you win. The best players on the planet are 
> young Koreans, who actually spend  every waking moment  
> perfecting their strategy and their hand eye coordination.  
> Apparently, Americans have gone to Korea to train with them 
> and prepare for a big international playoff in February in 
> Korea.
> 
> Technology is changing society and our brains.  Work places 
> can no longer track the sites visited and amount of time spent 
> when employees are on the job.  With IPhones, you don't need 
> to use the company computer.  I see it at my job with a 
> colleague addicted to her IPhone and texting her children - 
> about half her day is spent texting (not an exaggeration) 
> and her boss has no clue. Her college age children are 
> connected to her all day long!!  Businesses lose as employees 
> really only work part-time, and our brains are being rewired 
> as we get ultra social with many many people non-stop. Near 
> constant multi-tasking with little real in depth thinking. 
> Or our kids narrow their focus to video games for hours on 
> end. Some are wistful - I spoke with a 7th grader the other 
> day and he said he wished he lived back in the days before 
> everyone had IPhones, and email.  He has never known life 
> without it all.  He said it all overwhelms him with 
> information and the expectation to be on top of things. 
> And even when his family goes to the beach they are all 
> constantly looking at their phones.  It is not going away.

This touches on what I was rapping about earlier, whether
the Internet mindset is antithetical to spiritual life. I
think a lot of the rudeness and cluelessness we see on the
Internet is due to the fact that people lost in these 
everpresent cyberworlds have lost touch with what it's
like to function in the real world. When people whose
lives revolve around how many Facebook Friends they have
or how many people follow them on Twitter hit a so-called
spiritual forum, well duh...they're going to act there
just like they act on the other social media. 

http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s14e04-you-have-0-friends

[FairfieldLife] Re: US Responds to Iran Threat



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Abolishing public schools???  not a good idea.  I know they seem like a 
> > > failure, but that is only in the eyes of our own nation.  Try going to 
> > > other countries and see what it's like living somewhere where there is no 
> > > well established education. 
> > 
> > Wayback: Or try going to countries that have even more support for public 
> > education - where you can go to college for Free if you qualify.  College 
> > now costs over $50,000 per year at private schools in the US. 
>  
> 
> And all they learn is to try to perpetuate a doomed capitalistic system. What 
> a waste.
>
Susan/Wayback:  Ah, that is another topic entirely- what is taught in each 
discipline. In general, colleges profs are rather liberal and also creative in 
their thinking.  I would say business schools and perhaps law schools are in 
the business of perpetuating capitalism, others not so much, at least 
theoretically.  

I am guessing you want an Enlightened Monarchy of some sort, which is what 
Maharishi talked about as ideal.  But even in that system there could be lots 
of public education - if the head of state promoted that and wanted his people 
to be well-schooled.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic War and the Pizza Effect

2011-12-30 Thread Buck

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> 
> I have a serious question for you and I hope you take a moment to answer it.  
> How do you determine who is a prophet?  In particular, how can you explain 
> why Guru Dev is a prophet, but Rev, Sun Yung Moon is not?  What are the 
> criteria and how can you transcends your provincialism of being attached to 
> the group you have identified with for so long? How might a person who has 
> spent the same time in Moon's group become convinced that they are following 
> a false prophet and you have the right one?
> 
> This lies at the heart of all systems who appeal to the special status of 
> insight for a group's leader.  What your challenge of coming to Fairfield 
> basically says is, if you were one of us, you would think more like us.  
> 
> This is the dangerous failure of any system who relies on prophets in a 
> multicultural world.
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > > people remain  
> > > mired in a view of the world that is deeply irrational and  
> > > objectively false. 
> > > 
> > > Nanda Meera
> > > Prophets Facing Backward
> > >
> > 
> > Well, that's certainly a point of view from Nanda'a simple lack of 
> > spiritual experience, just arguing with the progress of the new age.  He 
> > and intellectuals like him should come and sit in Fairfield for a while 
> > now, then they'd know.
> > 
> > Jai the SatGurus, who have come forward as prophets,
> > -Buck in FF
> >
>

Dear CurtisDb,  you know it when you experience it.
The tru spiritual prophets are those who can teach it and give the experience.
It's like looking at Yifu's art work here or Ravi's ravings or some of the 
prurient posts of others, you know the pornographic and un-spiritual ones when 
you see them.  Communities have standards of these things.  Spiritual 
communities have standards by experience too.  Of course there is a range and 
standard deviation to the spiritual experience.  Some people might never have 
spiritual experience to relate to.  Borrowing from old western terms, prophets 
in this sense are the helpful ones, the spiritual teachers who can bring 
spiritual experience by virtue of spiritual experience.  A lot of people in FF 
have had a lot of experience with this.  You might not know it but it is a more 
common and communal sense here by experience.

I got to go to work, move ewes from their ram now.  Work of the moment, I'll be 
back after dark.

Best, 
-Buck  

P.S., An amazing grace of human spirituality is that in addition to 1) people 
just sharing their experience by talking about it, or 2) writing about it 
(scriptural), 3) some can be helpful and 'give it' to others.  The amazing 
grace of the modern world now is the scope of communication and now that 4) 
science can even show and teach human spirituality.  It is a remarkable change 
of just the last half century.  Even in spite of  spiritual skeptics, 
doctrinaire religionists, god-less Maoist communists, and some here on FFL.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic War and the Pizza Effect



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> This is such a nail down, thanks for posting this.  It explains so much about 
> Maharishi's triumphalist approach to science.  But deeper than that, since 
> time has marginalized the TM group, it reveals a major thinking flaw that 
> affects public policy.  And given India's rise in the world, this is a key 
> part of understanding what we are dealing with as they crank out more and 
> more scientists and engineers at the top 1% of their classes than we have in 
> our whole video game  playing student body.

Wayback: Very interesting post, Vaj.  The use of science to validate spiritual 
experiences is one thing, but using the Vedic knowledge to justify all sorts of 
applications of science is something  I had not considered, altho it all rings 
familiar. I wonder how prevalent this view is in India, really?

 Speaking of video gaming, I just learned of international competitions in a 
game called Star Craft 2.  Lots of money to be made if you win. The best 
players on the planet are young Koreans, who actually spend  every waking 
moment  perfecting their strategy and their hand eye coordination.  Apparently, 
Americans have gone to Korea to train with them and prepare for a big 
international playoff in February in Korea.

Technology is changing society and our brains.  Work places can no longer track 
the sites visited and amount of time spent when employees are on the job.  With 
IPhones, you don't need to use the company computer.  I see it at my job with a 
colleague addicted to her IPhone and texting her children - about half her day 
is spent texting (not an exaggeration) and her boss has no clue. Her college 
age children are connected to her all day long!!  Businesses lose as employees 
really only work part-time, and our brains are being rewired as we get ultra 
social with many many people non-stop. Near constant multi-tasking with little 
real in depth thinking. Or our kids narrow their focus to video games for hours 
on end. Some are wistful - I spoke with a 7th grader the other day and he said 
he wished he lived back in the days before everyone had IPhones, and email.  He 
has never known life without it all.  He said it all overwhelms him with 
information and the expectation to be on top of things. And even when his 
family goes to the beach they are all constantly looking at their phones.  It 
is not going away.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > In this section, I want to revisit how dharma took over the bomb, or  
> > how Vedic metaphysics claimed nuclear physics. The rationale behind  
> > this episode is sympto- matic of a much larger problem. Treating  
> > modern science as just "another name" for Vedic science and vice  
> > versa has become the state's justification for introducing Hindu  
> > precepts and superstitions  Vedic astrology, priest-craft, and faith  
> > healing, for example  as part of science education in colleges and  
> > universities. Like "creation scientists" in the United States who  
> > have been trying to smuggle the Bible into public schools, Vedic  
> > science proponents are borrowing the prestige of sci- ence to smuggle  
> > in their own peculiar interpretation of Hindu scriptures into schools  
> > and other institutions in the public sphere. The situation in India  
> > is far more frightening because this Hinduization of education is  
> > taking place in the context of extreme Hindu chauvinism directed at  
> > Muslim and Christian minorities.
> > 
> > To recapitulate from the last chapter, the test-explosion of nuclear  
> > devices in 1998 was experienced as a religious event by a large  
> > proportion of Indian people. Nuclear weapons were justified and  
> > packaged in dharmic terms by Hindutva ideologues allied with the  
> > ruling Bharatiya Janata Party. They claimed that the bomb was  
> > foretold by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita when he declared  
> > himself to be "the radiance of a thousand suns, the splendor of the  
> > Mighty One I am be- come Death." They celebrated the bomb by  
> > invoking gods and goddesses symbolizing shakti (power) and vigyan  
> > (science). Even the idols of Ganesh turned up with atomic halos  
> > around their elephant-heads, and guns in their hands! Invocation of  
> > gods in the context of nuclear weapons has become a constant feature  
> > of public discourse. During the 2002 stand-off between India and  
> > Pakistan, India's most popular newsmagazine, India Today, prefaced  
> > its tasteless warmongering with references to the Mahabharata and  
> > the "thousand suns." The net result of these references is to turn  
> > these ugly developments into something like the Mahabharata, in which  
> > God Krishna sided with the virtuous. 
> > 
> > The invocation of the goddesses of shakti and vigyan was not  
> > fortuitous. It was claimed at that time that the bombs were a symbol  
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: US Responds to Iran Threat

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:

Although he paid lip service to being against capitalism in your often repeated 
quote, I have never worked for a more capitalist boss than Maharishi.  His 
organization was always and continues to be ranked by the economic status of 
his members.  Working for him on staff was a challenging confrontation with 
this principle of the rich get everything and you get the leftovers.  I 
remember when I was working in his facility in DC full-time and met with the 
advanced technique teachers and the facility head staff.  I asked them why we 
have full-time people who can't afford the next techniques because they are 
working on staff and getting a tiny stipend.  Why  is it that the most devoted 
to fulfilling Maharishi's mission are the ones most likely to be cut out?

Their answer was pure Republican spun capitalism, it could have been delivered 
by Newt Gingrich.  Maharishi was using us to renovate that property which he 
flipped for a profit, sharing none of the profits with his workers for even 
something so fundamentally humane as health care.

So hearing Maharishi's quote about how capitalism is going to fail would ring a 
bit truer if it had failed in his own organization.   He was an old school 
robber baron capitalist to the end.

==
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Abolishing public schools???  not a good idea.  I know they seem like a 
> > > failure, but that is only in the eyes of our own nation.  Try going to 
> > > other countries and see what it's like living somewhere where there is no 
> > > well established education. 
> > 
> > Wayback: Or try going to countries that have even more support for public 
> > education - where you can go to college for Free if you qualify.  College 
> > now costs over $50,000 per year at private schools in the US. 
>  
> 
> And all they learn is to try to perpetuate a doomed capitalistic system. What 
> a waste.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: US Responds to Iran Threat

2011-12-30 Thread nablusoss1008



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Abolishing public schools???  not a good idea.  I know they seem like a 
> > failure, but that is only in the eyes of our own nation.  Try going to 
> > other countries and see what it's like living somewhere where there is no 
> > well established education. 
> 
> Wayback: Or try going to countries that have even more support for public 
> education - where you can go to college for Free if you qualify.  College now 
> costs over $50,000 per year at private schools in the US. 
 

And all they learn is to try to perpetuate a doomed capitalistic system. What a 
waste.

[FairfieldLife] Re: US Responds to Iran Threat

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation"  
wrote:
>
> Abolishing public schools???  not a good idea.  I know they seem like a 
> failure, but that is only in the eyes of our own nation.  Try going to other 
> countries and see what it's like living somewhere where there is no well 
> established education. 

Wayback: Or try going to countries that have even more support for public 
education - where you can go to college for Free if you qualify.  College now 
costs over $50,000 per year at private schools in the US.  Can't continue that 
way.   I agree with Richard in that something has to change (altho I totally 
disagree with most of his ideas), and for me it would be at the college and 
grad school levels.  I am going to read a book called The Faculty Lounge - saw 
the author interviewed the other night and she is an expert on education and a 
former Wall St Journal reporter.  She seems level headed and not extreme and 
had some good ideas regarding higher education (like doing away with tenure - 
it protects the jobs of about 400 conservative profs and costs tons and tons of 
money for us all).

PS going to a top private elementary or high school in NYC costs about $40,000 
per year!  While many get aide, this is incredible, and makes the amount spent 
per pupil at public schools look like peanuts.

 seeklib:Or better yet, try hanging out with a high school drop-out.  I'm not 
saying they're stupid, but they are much more likely to live problematic lives 
without some education.  
> 
> seekliberation
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > On 12/29/2011 09:53 AM, John wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "richardatrwilliamsdotus" 
> > >  wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> seventhray1:
> > >>> We just paid taxes of over $4,000.00 on our
> > >>> house in our metropolitan are.  Our home is
> > >>> nothing fantastic, but is reasonably nice.
> > >>>
> > >>> If  tea party people are objecting to what I
> > >>> consider to be these excesses, then I am
> > >>> sympathetic to their cause.
> > >>>
> > >> Property taxes should be abolished. It is an
> > >> unfair system. If I were elected, I would author
> > >> a bill that would replace all school district
> > >> property taxes and wipe out  the taxing ability
> > >> of local school boards.
> > >>
> > >> It's just outrageous, these property taxes! I
> > >> don't even have any children attending public
> > >> schools!
> > >>
> > >> In my government package, I would propose to
> > >> elimnate all public schools and the federal
> > >> department of education. The government has no
> > >> business running schools. The current system
> > >> of federal-run schools is a failure and is
> > >> costing voters and homeowners a bundle!
> > >>
> > > You're criticizing a long tradition of public education in the USA.  
> > > There have been many outstanding leaders and presidents who were educated 
> > > from the public school system.  Abandoning the system would deprive young 
> > > people with talent but with no financial support to get a better 
> > > education, which is the foundation of the democratic government in the 
> > > USA.
> > 
> > Willy wants kids dumb and uneducated.  They make better serfs and sex 
> > slaves that way.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Symbian not dead yet!?

2011-12-30 Thread cardemaister


http://www.webpronews.com/nokia%E2%80%99s-symbian-finishes-as-2011%E2%80%99s-top-mobile-os-2011-12

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic War and the Pizza Effect

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:

I have a serious question for you Doug and I hope you take a moment to answer 
it.  How do you determine who is a prophet?  In particular, how can you explain 
why Guru Dev is a prophet, but Rev, Sun Yung Moon is not?  What are the 
criteria and how can you transcends your provincialism of being attached to the 
group you have identified with for so long? How might a person who has spent 
the same time in Moon's group become convinced that they are following a false 
prophet and you have the right one?

This lies at the heart of all systems who appeal to the special status of 
insight for a group's leader.  What your challenge of coming to Fairfield 
basically says is, if you were one of us, you would think more like us.  

This is the dangerous failure of any system who relies on prophets in a 
multicultural world.

>
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > people remain  
> > mired in a view of the world that is deeply irrational and  
> > objectively false. 
> > 
> > Nanda Meera
> > Prophets Facing Backward
> >
> 
> Well, that's certainly a point of view from Nanda'a simple lack of spiritual 
> experience, just arguing with the progress of the new age.  He and 
> intellectuals like him should come and sit in Fairfield for a while now, then 
> they'd know.
> 
> Jai the SatGurus, who have come forward as prophets,
> -Buck in FF
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic War and the Pizza Effect

The antidote to the body buzz of sitting in the blissful atmosphere of 
Fairfield would be to actually read the Laws of Manu.  They represent some of 
the most hideous cruel backward thinking in any religious text.  And we have 
already been around the bend of Maharishi's phony claim that it was a 
description of levels of  consciousness rather than prescriptive.  If he was 
right then killing a woman, which is claimed to be the karmic equivalent to 
killing an insect, would show how evolved you were since reacting to it as an 
abomination would not reflect accurately the laws of nature presented by Manu.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Dec 30, 2011, at 9:36 AM, Buck wrote:
> 
> > >
> > > people remain
> > > mired in a view of the world that is deeply irrational and
> > > objectively false. 
> > >
> > > Nanda Meera
> > > Prophets Facing Backward
> > >
> >
> > Well, that's certainly a point of view from Nanda'a simple lack of  
> > spiritual experience, just arguing with the progress of the new  
> > age. He and intellectuals like him should come and sit in Fairfield  
> > for a while now, then they'd know.
> 
> She. Sorry I mis-pasted that, it's actually "Meera Nanda". Meera is  
> already very familiar with both the TM movement, Indian traditions  
> and New Age movements.
> 
> > Jai the SatGurus, who have come forward as prophets,
> 
> Since sat gurus would generally believe in sanatana-dharma, eternal  
> dharma, they would be considered "prophets who look backwards" in  
> Nanda's formulation as they fall for the lie of permanence:  
> permanent, eternal laws of nature; the laws of Manu.
> 
> Marshy himself would be an almost archetypal instance of a prophet  
> who looked backwards, but we saw it as a "looking forward". And until  
> that spell is broken, we continue to "believe the lie". It's only  
> typically when we step into the larger context of Hindutva that we  
> can see that Maharishi Vedic Science is simply Vedic Creationism and  
> really not that different from fundamentalist beliefs seen in our own  
> country.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: New UFO page

2011-12-30 Thread nablusoss1008



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > If I get one, I promise to do a flyover in your neighborhood, 
> > > so that you can finally say you've seen a UFO.
> > 
> > Don't worry about me, I've already seen a huge UFO on close range ! 
> > :-)
> 
> I saw a UFO once. It was on my TM-Sidhi course in
> St. Moritz. I was meditating in my room, about to
> do asanas, when I looked out the window and saw a
> large, round object floating past the window. It
> was bulbous, like a large tick that has engorged 
> itself with blood, but with only four appendages 
> instead of six. Kinda like an overinflated beach
> ball with doll's arms and legs stuck to it.


Saw them too - nice balloons ! :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic War and the Pizza Effect

This is such a nail down, thanks for posting this.  It explains so much about 
Maharishi's triumphalist approach to science.  But deeper than that, since time 
has marginalized the TM group, it reveals a major thinking flaw that affects 
public policy.  And given India's rise in the world, this is a key part of 
understanding what we are dealing with as they crank out more and more 
scientists and engineers at the top 1% of their classes than we have in our 
whole video game  playing student body.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> In this section, I want to revisit how dharma took over the bomb, or  
> how Vedic metaphysics claimed nuclear physics. The rationale behind  
> this episode is sympto- matic of a much larger problem. Treating  
> modern science as just "another name" for Vedic science and vice  
> versa has become the state's justification for introducing Hindu  
> precepts and superstitions  Vedic astrology, priest-craft, and faith  
> healing, for example  as part of science education in colleges and  
> universities. Like "creation scientists" in the United States who  
> have been trying to smuggle the Bible into public schools, Vedic  
> science proponents are borrowing the prestige of sci- ence to smuggle  
> in their own peculiar interpretation of Hindu scriptures into schools  
> and other institutions in the public sphere. The situation in India  
> is far more frightening because this Hinduization of education is  
> taking place in the context of extreme Hindu chauvinism directed at  
> Muslim and Christian minorities.
> 
> To recapitulate from the last chapter, the test-explosion of nuclear  
> devices in 1998 was experienced as a religious event by a large  
> proportion of Indian people. Nuclear weapons were justified and  
> packaged in dharmic terms by Hindutva ideologues allied with the  
> ruling Bharatiya Janata Party. They claimed that the bomb was  
> foretold by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita when he declared  
> himself to be "the radiance of a thousand suns, the splendor of the  
> Mighty One I am be- come Death." They celebrated the bomb by  
> invoking gods and goddesses symbolizing shakti (power) and vigyan  
> (science). Even the idols of Ganesh turned up with atomic halos  
> around their elephant-heads, and guns in their hands! Invocation of  
> gods in the context of nuclear weapons has become a constant feature  
> of public discourse. During the 2002 stand-off between India and  
> Pakistan, India's most popular newsmagazine, India Today, prefaced  
> its tasteless warmongering with references to the Mahabharata and  
> the "thousand suns." The net result of these references is to turn  
> these ugly developments into something like the Mahabharata, in which  
> God Krishna sided with the virtuous. 
> 
> The invocation of the goddesses of shakti and vigyan was not  
> fortuitous. It was claimed at that time that the bombs were a symbol  
> of India's advanced science and technology, the roots of which could  
> be traced back to ancient Vedic texts. The idea of constructing a  
> temple to the goddess of learning at the site of the explosion was  
> meant to propagate the age-old popular myth that the Vedas presage  
> all important discoveries of science, especially quantum and nuclear  
> physics. A popular version of this myth was reported by Jonathan  
> Parry in his ethnography of the holy city of Benaras: "In Benaras, I  
> have often been told  and I have heard variants of the same story  
> elsewhere  that Max Miiller stole chunks of the Sama-Veda from  
> India, and it was by studying these that German scientists were able  
> to develop the atom bomb. The ancient rishis (sages) not only knew  
> about nuclear fission, but they also had supersonic airplanes and  
> guided missiles" (Parry 1985, 206).
> 
> Finding physics in the Vedas is a good illustration of Hinduism's  
> peculiar dynamic: its tendency to claim for itself those elements of  
> alien traditions that it needs for its own aggrandization. Agehananda  
> Bharati, a.k.a. Leopold Fisher, a Viennese who spent many years as a  
> Hindu ascetic in India,' coined a new term to describe this peculiar  
> cultural dynamic. He called it the "pizza effect" (Bharati 1970,  
> 273). The pizza was originally the staple of Italian and Sicilian  
> peasants. It became a part of haute cuisine in Italy only after the  
> Americans popularized it around the world. Like the humble pizza,  
> Bharati argues, any traditional Hindu idea or practice, however  
> obscure and irrational it might have been through its history, gets  
> the honorific of "science" if it bears any resemblance at all,  
> however remote, to an idea that is valued (even for the wrong  
> reasons) in the West. Thus, obscure references in the Vedas get  
> reinterpreted as referring to nuclear physics. By staking a phony  
> priority, modern science gets domesticated; it was always contained  
> in Ind

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