[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: Hey, Emily, Judy, Raunchy, It appears all the dudes have gone away this evening. hahaha Look, no post from dudes. See? Check the time and lets count. We rule! We own them! God loves us! Yay for Venus transiting Aquarius! Yay! We won! Let's meet for tea sometime soon, okay? Oh, yeah, Susan too. Funny Obba! But maybe in all this, you should consider, that we didn't leave because we are cowards (oh the aggressiveness of it!), but because some of us simply live in different time zones. IOW, when Judy is just about to warm up, it's already past midnight here! Also Obba, I found your words last week very encouraging, but 10 min per day don't work for me, unfortunately I am a slow typer, and foreigner at that, so some of the more juicy words (usually signifying emotion, or moralistic POV's) I have to look up. And regarding some of the people here, it's not enough to just post in a straight forward way, you have to study a whole metaphysical system to even be able to converse with them! (and that's not a put down!) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Great rules! Maybe if these go across the board, everything will be alright! I once had the pissing submarines! You put them in the toilet and sink them. Potty target. Good link. Could work. For some reason, I think we need some adult diapers here too. Ultra protection. Us women stay out of it ; ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIaORknS1Dk --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Obbajeeba, you're quite right. Indiscriminate pissing on FFLife needs to be more accurate. Let's give the dudes something to aim for. How about a pissing contest? Pissing contest rules: 1. Dudes only. 2. Submit qualifying scores: time, distance, marksmanship. 3. Unacceptable targets: women and children. 4. Acceptable targets: trees, fire hydrants and each other. Training equipment: http://pottytarget.com/products/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: She is awesome even if she does not like Ron Paul. ; ) That does not stop me from seeing her value and reason and respect. : ) Raunchy too. : ) Not like some dudes on this forum who piss the spot with complete teeth grinding bark, protection for their red fire hydrant in multiple layers of consciousness available if only to break through their awareness as something more that tangible, all muddled together 75 foot lead wall with dancing football cheerleaders in cowboy lingerie. Nabby not included. He has some morals about morals. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Impeccable timeline, Judy. How *do* you do it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@ wrote: snip In fact, you should know, that Ravi takes clues from you whom to abuse, and whom to spare. As long as you had backed me up, he never mentioned me in an abusive way. The moment you started to become critical at me, and switched to your 'get-Barry' mode,(which actually started first in our off-board exchange after two posts), he started abusing me Yes, this is the Troika's party line whenever someone other than me begins to criticize any of them; we've seen it many, many times. I believe Barry originated it some time ago. How nice to see you've picked up on as well. I'm sure you'll get a lot of use out of it. Implicit in it is the premise that nobody would *ever* come independently to any negative conclusions about any of the Troika and their allies; it wouldn't ever even occur to anybody that there was anything to be criticized about them if I hadn't spoken up. In this case, Ravi could *never* have read your exchange with Barry speculating about Robin's mental health and thought ill of you for it unless he'd gotten it from me. Right? Yes, right. It's a simple observation, Judy can't help it. My accusations to masked zebra where much before, Ravi only started when you gave the signal. Ravi had been here only intermittently and didn't necessarily plow through all the posts when he *was* here, so he may well not have seen whatever you're referring to. In any case, if he had really just been taking cues from others, he might well have taken
[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Impeccable timeline, Judy. How *do* you do it? Well, when Yahoo Advanced Search is working, it isn't that difficult. Sure couldn't do it just from memory. Does take a bit of back and forth, and it does require familiarity with the search options. Well, I do it from memory. I will naturally notice more my inclusion in any of his lists then others here, and Ravi was also absent (overposting) for more than a week. AFAIK he started being degaratory to me only when putting my video in the subject line. And that was long, long time after Emily had posted her rant. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@ wrote: snip In fact, you should know, that Ravi takes clues from you whom to abuse, and whom to spare. As long as you had backed me up, he never mentioned me in an abusive way. The moment you started to become critical at me, and switched to your 'get-Barry' mode,(which actually started first in our off-board exchange after two posts), he started abusing me Yes, this is the Troika's party line whenever someone other than me begins to criticize any of them; we've seen it many, many times. I believe Barry originated it some time ago. How nice to see you've picked up on as well. I'm sure you'll get a lot of use out of it. Implicit in it is the premise that nobody would *ever* come independently to any negative conclusions about any of the Troika and their allies; it wouldn't ever even occur to anybody that there was anything to be criticized about them if I hadn't spoken up. In this case, Ravi could *never* have read your exchange with Barry speculating about Robin's mental health and thought ill of you for it unless he'd gotten it from me. Right? Yes, right. It's a simple observation, Judy can't help it. My accusations to masked zebra where much before, Ravi only started when you gave the signal. Ravi had been here only intermittently and didn't necessarily plow through all the posts when he *was* here, so he may well not have seen whatever you're referring to. In any case, if he had really just been taking cues from others, he might well have taken his anti-zarzari cue from *Emily's* post. Oh, but Emily took her cue from me, right? Well, that's not what I said, you are making it up now. Ooops, no, wait. My first response to your exchange with Barry was very mild, hardly denunciatory. Correct. It wasn't until Robin took after you big-time that I used the term slimy to refer to your post to Barry. And by that time Emily had already given the two of you a very thorough tongue-lashing, completely of her own accord. At the time I had to take an announced break, but the basis of this was your very unfortunate snipping of my original post, you know the one, where you started to lash out after my two word 'of course' with the rest of the quote being Barry's, and being entirely out of context, and also being misinterpreted by you and consequently by Emily, and which resulted into a series of mis-attributions of quotes by Barry. And Ravi didn't start going after you until you'd come back after your little vacation. That was *after* you'd already made several posts attacking me, but before I'd had a chance to respond. Well, I am not aware of those attacks, but I may have missed them. The ones I remember, where after you had gone ballistic. But, anyway he is gone, he also took cues from you in his whole line of argumentation, like you saying, that enlightened ones can't be judged by their behavior, a very unwholesome argument for him to use. So I'm afraid your theory just doesn't fit the timeline. Too bad. No clues The term you want here is cues, not clues. to take from Barry here. This is a a again your insidious insinuation. It's a reasonable assumption, given how many times Barry's used it (you responded Bingo to one such post); and Curtis has also used it quite recently.
[FairfieldLife] You'll Be Dying to Get?
http://www.businessinsider.com/nokia-lumia-900-att-2012-1?nr_email_referer=1utm_source=Triggermailutm_medium=emailutm_term=Business%20Insider%20Selectutm_campaign=new-BI%20Select As a stupidly honest chap, I wouldn't recommend that crap, if it's anything like my Lumia 800... :/
[FairfieldLife] Living Without Money
Anyone else compelled to try this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djzitB1xyocfeature=share
[FairfieldLife] Re: Freedom and virtue
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: very good!but people in the TMO are the worst offenders. Do you know what Jesus called such people? HINT: starts HY Lake Fairy, by Xian Lu http://features.cgsociety.org/newgallerycrits/g37/380437/380437_1309790469_large.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Raunchy, this is really a beautiful and practical spiritual teaching you posted here which deserves a bow. Namaste Thanks, -Buck Thanks, Buck. By the way, do you agree with Yifu that people in the TMO are the worst offenders? Offenders of what, I wondered. He doesn't give any specific examples of which or how often an entire group of individuals offend behavioral rasayans but proclaims that they do. Isn't that like saying all Muslims are terrorists who hide bombs in their underwear? Now I don't have anything against Muslims, some of my best friends are Muslims...but underwear, really? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Speaking the sweet truth is a behavioral rasayana. By following the traditional values, of one's cultural heritage, Maharishi believed one's path in life presented fewer roadblocks to well being, good health and enlightenment. Behavioral rasyanas are universally fundamental to all human beings in all cultures. The behavioral rasyana map of a well traveled road describes the territory, not the consciousness of the traveler. Behaviors and attitudes to maximize: Love Compassion Speech that uplifts people Cleanliness Charity and regular donation Religious observance Respect toward teachers and elders Being positive Moderation and self-control, especially with regard to alcohol and sex Simplicity Behaviors and attitudes to be avoided: Anger Violence Harsh or hurtful speech Conceit Speaking ill of others behind their backs Egotism * Dishonesty Coveting another's spouse or wealth http://www.mapi.com/ayurveda_health_care/newsletters/behavioral_rasayana.html Behavioral rasyanas describe the basic rules of how we treat each other as human beings. A society devoid of such behaviors descends into chaos. FFLife is a chaotic antimatter smashing machine of behavioral rasyanas, cynically obliterating, ridiculing, any sacred cow daring to lift its head from grazing in the pastures of social convention. Other than no porn, you are free to be as abusive and as childish as you like on one day and a warrior for truth, justice and sacred cows the next day. I'm not holding myself up as a model of always treating everyone with absolute fairness. I don't, nobody does. I prefer less chaos and more fairness in how in how we treat each other on FFLife, I just don't expect it. IMO the folks who have a longer check list in the positive column of behavioral rasyanas are more capable of speaking the sweet truth. They consistently treat others fairly. Just as reliably, self-centered abusive assholes with a long list of behaviors in the negative column don't give a fuck about treating others respectfully and are incapable of speaking the sweet truth. So sayeth raunchydog, not so sweetly.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Portals to Inner Landscapes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote: snip Likewise, to be one of the cccooolll, upscale TMO members, we delete the middle i in Maharishi, getting Maharshi. Actually it's the difference in which syllable is stressed. Americans say MahaRIshi; Indians (or Brits?) say MaHArishi. But if you listen closely, the i is still there; it just doesn't get pronounced distinctly in that configuration. Previously I thought the only possible sandhi for 'mahaa' + 'RSi' (in Sanskrit) would be 'maharSi (mahárshi)', that is, the long a-sound of 'mahaa' is shortened and the vocalic/syllabic R-sound changes to its consonantal counterpart, the normal r-sound. Recently learnt that an alternative sandhi (maha[-]RSi: mahaR´[í]shi) is also possible. In either case, the i-sound after the R is not phonemic, I believe; that is, it's there only because the pronunciation of the *vocalic/syllabic* R-sound is almost impossible without some i/ee -like sound after it, or stuff... And then there are the folks who mush it all together and get Marshy. Marshy. hahaha. Some call him Mahesh? : ) When I was a kid, I thought this song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzB5eRu6HOk was the same word. lol
[FairfieldLife] Re: Freedom and virtue
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: very good!but people in the TMO are the worst offenders. Do you know what Jesus called such people? HINT: starts HY It's true, things should go so much better for the TM-Rajas if they would repent their sinful rasyana-ic ways. There would be support of natural law. They have had a lot of chance to say to everyone since the movement reformed after Maharishi that Whatever that was we are not that, and that going forward we will be thus, virtuous only.. There was a long time silence from them about this as people waited for that sign of reconciliation. These short dome numbers seem to be showing how it is gone for the Rajas. Actions often speak louder than words, the Rajas don't seem to even have the tongue of repentence. The omission of just silence or hypocr...? Raunchydog lays it out right here underneath. Spiritually virtuous activities to maximize, spiritually sinful activities to minimize. The TM Rajas could take some lesson from their own teachings here on FFL. JGD, -Buck in FF A primitive hardshell old meditator --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Raunchy, this is really a beautiful and practical spiritual teaching you posted here which deserves a bow. Namaste Thanks, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Speaking the sweet truth is a behavioral rasayana. By following the traditional values, of one's cultural heritage, Maharishi believed one's path in life presented fewer roadblocks to well being, good health and enlightenment. Behavioral rasyanas are universally fundamental to all human beings in all cultures. The behavioral rasyana map of a well traveled road describes the territory, not the consciousness of the traveler. Behaviors and attitudes to maximize: Love Compassion Speech that uplifts people Cleanliness Charity and regular donation Religious observance Respect toward teachers and elders Being positive Moderation and self-control, especially with regard to alcohol and sex Simplicity Behaviors and attitudes to be avoided: Anger Violence Harsh or hurtful speech Conceit Speaking ill of others behind their backs Egotism * Dishonesty Coveting another's spouse or wealth http://www.mapi.com/ayurveda_health_care/newsletters/behavioral_rasayana.html Behavioral rasyanas describe the basic rules of how we treat each other as human beings. A society devoid of such behaviors descends into chaos. FFLife is a chaotic antimatter smashing machine of behavioral rasyanas, cynically obliterating, ridiculing, any sacred cow daring to lift its head from grazing in the pastures of social convention. Other than no porn, you are free to be as abusive and as childish as you like on one day and a warrior for truth, justice and sacred cows the next day. I'm not holding myself up as a model of always treating everyone with absolute fairness. I don't, nobody does. I prefer less chaos and more fairness in how in how we treat each other on FFLife, I just don't expect it. IMO the folks who have a longer check list in the positive column of behavioral rasyanas are more capable of speaking the sweet truth. They consistently treat others fairly. Just as reliably, self-centered abusive assholes with a long list of behaviors in the negative column don't give a fuck about treating others respectfully and are incapable of speaking the sweet truth. So sayeth raunchydog, not so sweetly.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Hey, Emily, Judy, Raunchy, It appears all the dudes have gone away this evening. hahaha Look, no post from dudes. See? Check the time and lets count. We rule! We own them! God loves us! Yay for Venus transiting Aquarius! Yay! We won! Let's meet for tea sometime soon, okay? Oh, yeah, Susan too. Funny Obba! But maybe in all this, you should consider, that we didn't leave because we are cowards (oh the aggressiveness of it!), but because some of us simply live in different time zones. IOW, when Judy is just about to warm up, it's already past midnight here! Also Obba, I found your words last week very encouraging, but 10 min per day don't work for me, unfortunately I am a slow typer, and foreigner at that, so some of the more juicy words (usually signifying emotion, or moralistic POV's) I have to look up. And regarding some of the people here, it's not enough to just post in a straight forward way, you have to study a whole metaphysical system to even be able to converse with them! (and that's not a put down!) Yeah, obbajeeba. Cut zarzari some slack. He has a timezone disability. Is there an icon for that? http://signsanddisplays.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/disability-sign-symbol-vectors.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Great rules! Maybe if these go across the board, everything will be alright! I once had the pissing submarines! You put them in the toilet and sink them. Potty target. Good link. Could work. For some reason, I think we need some adult diapers here too. Ultra protection. Us women stay out of it ; ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIaORknS1Dk --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Obbajeeba, you're quite right. Indiscriminate pissing on FFLife needs to be more accurate. Let's give the dudes something to aim for. How about a pissing contest? Pissing contest rules: 1. Dudes only. 2. Submit qualifying scores: time, distance, marksmanship. 3. Unacceptable targets: women and children. 4. Acceptable targets: trees, fire hydrants and each other. Training equipment: http://pottytarget.com/products/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Freedom and virtue
the tongue of repentance Hmmm...sounds sexy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote: very good!but people in the TMO are the worst offenders. Do you know what Jesus called such people? HINT: starts HY It's true, things should go so much better for the TM-Rajas if they would repent their sinful rasyana-ic ways. There would be support of natural law. They have had a lot of chance to say to everyone since the movement reformed after Maharishi that Whatever that was we are not that, and that going forward we will be thus, virtuous only.. There was a long time silence from them about this as people waited for that sign of reconciliation. These short dome numbers seem to be showing how it is gone for the Rajas. Actions often speak louder than words, the Rajas don't seem to even have the tongue of repentence. The omission of just silence or hypocr...? Raunchydog lays it out right here underneath. Spiritually virtuous activities to maximize, spiritually sinful activities to minimize. The TM Rajas could take some lesson from their own teachings here on FFL. JGD, -Buck in FF A primitive hardshell old meditator --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Raunchy, this is really a beautiful and practical spiritual teaching you posted here which deserves a bow. Namaste Thanks, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Speaking the sweet truth is a behavioral rasayana. By following the traditional values, of one's cultural heritage, Maharishi believed one's path in life presented fewer roadblocks to well being, good health and enlightenment. Behavioral rasyanas are universally fundamental to all human beings in all cultures. The behavioral rasyana map of a well traveled road describes the territory, not the consciousness of the traveler. Behaviors and attitudes to maximize: Love Compassion Speech that uplifts people Cleanliness Charity and regular donation Religious observance Respect toward teachers and elders Being positive Moderation and self-control, especially with regard to alcohol and sex Simplicity Behaviors and attitudes to be avoided: Anger Violence Harsh or hurtful speech Conceit Speaking ill of others behind their backs Egotism * Dishonesty Coveting another's spouse or wealth http://www.mapi.com/ayurveda_health_care/newsletters/behavioral_rasayana.html Behavioral rasyanas describe the basic rules of how we treat each other as human beings. A society devoid of such behaviors descends into chaos. FFLife is a chaotic antimatter smashing machine of behavioral rasyanas, cynically obliterating, ridiculing, any sacred cow daring to lift its head from grazing in the pastures of social convention. Other than no porn, you are free to be as abusive and as childish as you like on one day and a warrior for truth, justice and sacred cows the next day. I'm not holding myself up as a model of always treating everyone with absolute fairness. I don't, nobody does. I prefer less chaos and more fairness in how in how we treat each other on FFLife, I just don't expect it. IMO the folks who have a longer check list in the positive column of behavioral rasyanas are more capable of speaking the sweet truth. They consistently treat others fairly. Just as reliably, self-centered abusive assholes with a long list of behaviors in the negative column don't give a fuck about treating others respectfully and are incapable of speaking the sweet truth. So sayeth raunchydog, not so sweetly.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Freedom and virtue
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: the tongue of repentance Hmmm...sounds sexy. Not for you :p --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote: very good!but people in the TMO are the worst offenders. Do you know what Jesus called such people? HINT: starts HY It's true, things should go so much better for the TM-Rajas if they would repent their sinful rasyana-ic ways. There would be support of natural law. They have had a lot of chance to say to everyone since the movement reformed after Maharishi that Whatever that was we are not that, and that going forward we will be thus, virtuous only.. There was a long time silence from them about this as people waited for that sign of reconciliation. These short dome numbers seem to be showing how it is gone for the Rajas. Actions often speak louder than words, the Rajas don't seem to even have the tongue of repentence. The omission of just silence or hypocr...? Raunchydog lays it out right here underneath. Spiritually virtuous activities to maximize, spiritually sinful activities to minimize. The TM Rajas could take some lesson from their own teachings here on FFL. JGD, -Buck in FF A primitive hardshell old meditator --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Raunchy, this is really a beautiful and practical spiritual teaching you posted here which deserves a bow. Namaste Thanks, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Speaking the sweet truth is a behavioral rasayana. By following the traditional values, of one's cultural heritage, Maharishi believed one's path in life presented fewer roadblocks to well being, good health and enlightenment. Behavioral rasyanas are universally fundamental to all human beings in all cultures. The behavioral rasyana map of a well traveled road describes the territory, not the consciousness of the traveler. Behaviors and attitudes to maximize: Love Compassion Speech that uplifts people Cleanliness Charity and regular donation Religious observance Respect toward teachers and elders Being positive Moderation and self-control, especially with regard to alcohol and sex Simplicity Behaviors and attitudes to be avoided: Anger Violence Harsh or hurtful speech Conceit Speaking ill of others behind their backs Egotism * Dishonesty Coveting another's spouse or wealth http://www.mapi.com/ayurveda_health_care/newsletters/behavioral_rasayana.html Behavioral rasyanas describe the basic rules of how we treat each other as human beings. A society devoid of such behaviors descends into chaos. FFLife is a chaotic antimatter smashing machine of behavioral rasyanas, cynically obliterating, ridiculing, any sacred cow daring to lift its head from grazing in the pastures of social convention. Other than no porn, you are free to be as abusive and as childish as you like on one day and a warrior for truth, justice and sacred cows the next day. I'm not holding myself up as a model of always treating everyone with absolute fairness. I don't, nobody does. I prefer less chaos and more fairness in how in how we treat each other on FFLife, I just don't expect it. IMO the folks who have a longer check list in the positive column of behavioral rasyanas are more capable of speaking the sweet truth. They consistently treat others fairly. Just as reliably, self-centered abusive assholes with a long list of behaviors in the negative column don't give a fuck about treating others respectfully and are incapable of speaking the sweet truth. So sayeth raunchydog, not so sweetly.
[FairfieldLife] Anyone tried this?
From Cyril Henry Hoskin's a.k.a. Tuesday Lobsang Rampa's book Wisdom of the Ancients: Here is an exercise that enables one to keep warm in cold weather. It is something much practiced in Tibet where a lama can sit unclothed on ice, and even melt ice around him and dry off wet blankets draped around his shoulders. Here's how you do it. Sit comfortably ... and make sure that you really ARE sitting with your spine upright. You must have no tensions or pressing worries for the moment. Close your eyes, and think of yourself saying, 'OM, OM, OM', telepathically. Close your left nostril, and take us much air as you can through the right nostril. Then close the right (your thumb is the best for this because it is the most convenient), and retain the breath by pressing your chin hard against your chest, bring your chin up close to your neck. Hold your breath for a time, and then gradually exhale through the left nostril by closing the right nostril (again the thumb is easiest here). Careful note -- in this particular exercise one always breathes in through the right nostril, and always breathes out through the left nostril. You should do this from a start of ten breathings, during which you gradually increase the time of breath retention, up to some fifty times, but you must increase your breath retention very gradually, there is no need to rush, and while on the subject here is a little note which may free you from worry: when you have been doing it for some time, and you are doing it with deep breath retention, you may find that you perspire from the roots of the hair. That is perfectly safe, perfectly normal, and really does increase the health and cleanliness of the body.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: Not like some dudes on this forum who piss the spot with complete teeth grinding bark, protection for their red fire hydrant in multiple layers of consciousness available if only to break through their awareness as something more that tangible, all muddled together 75 foot lead wall with dancing football cheerleaders in cowboy lingerie. Nabby not included. He has some morals about morals. Let me guess. You've been taking the same How To Write Completely Incoherent English correspondence course that MZ, Ravi, and Bob Price took, right? :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Anyone tried this?
On Jan 10, 2012, at 7:50 AM, cardemaister wrote: From Cyril Henry Hoskin's a.k.a. Tuesday Lobsang Rampa's book Wisdom of the Ancients: Here is an exercise that enables one to keep warm in cold weather. It is something much practiced in Tibet where a lama can sit unclothed on ice, and even melt ice around him and dry off wet blankets draped around his shoulders. Here's how you do it. Sit comfortably ... and make sure that you really ARE sitting with your spine upright. You must have no tensions or pressing worries for the moment. Close your eyes, and think of yourself saying, 'OM, OM, OM', telepathically. Close your left nostril, and take us much air as you can through the right nostril. Then close the right (your thumb is the best for this because it is the most convenient), and retain the breath by pressing your chin hard against your chest, bring your chin up close to your neck. Hold your breath for a time, and then gradually exhale through the left nostril by closing the right nostril (again the thumb is easiest here). Careful note -- in this particular exercise one always breathes in through the right nostril, and always breathes out through the left nostril. You should do this from a start of ten breathings, during which you gradually increase the time of breath retention, up to some fifty times, but you must increase your breath retention very gradually, there is no need to rush, and while on the subject here is a little note which may free you from worry: when you have been doing it for some time, and you are doing it with deep breath retention, you may find that you perspire from the roots of the hair. That is perfectly safe, perfectly normal, and really does increase the health and cleanliness of the body. Lobsang Rampa was a phony fiction writer. These are not instructions for heat yoga (caNDAlI-yoga).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
Zarzar, haha, yes, the time zones and precisely why I posted the challenge. : ) Have to simulate activity on a board that may dwindle to 15 posts a day, total between all the members and what better way to push a button or two to avoid that. ; ) Although, in your case since 10 minutes a day is a bit too short of time, the posts dwindling could make it easier for you to participate in reading all of the posts! The metaphysical system it is! The words of emotion, you may have to look up, well that may explain some of the misunderstanding on the FFL board. Someone with a foreign background reads the meaning with different feelings. This may explain any misunderstanding you or Judy had with some goings back and forth. I have translated for a translator in the past, and it helped a lot in bringing a better understanding to the words spoken, to the feelings behind the words of emotion. A case in point is Ravi has a very strong intellect and a heart of an Indian, a different culture. If one could maybe hear what he wrote with his voice, no one would have wished to out him. If he had done an email search on google or any other search engine, anyone can find a name behind a username, if one uses an email other than for FFL and that is not his fault to point out what someone may wish to change, because he was showing that security flaw in people's perception of their privacy. Shooting the messenger is what happened to him. Maybe some words are considered foul, but why not make a rule against using some words? Right now, all we have is what is up to the administrator and if any members get their balls in a knot, then any rule could out anyone of us. It makes me afraid to post. All he was doing was pointing that out. He did not know a person's name using the secret anonymous username and called them out on it to harm them, he found it just like anyone can do on a search. Now if Ravi had purposely decided to ask people off of the board, what is his name, then I could see a breach in trust on FFL. It would have been best if the rules of the board, said no real names used, associated with anonymous handles, but I read people calling people all the time by their real name as the anonymous handle becomes wayside, regularly. This is something many have forgotten in the past 10 years on the Internet. He was definitely pushing buttons to make a point. Does one see Bob Price here or the Zebra man? I do not think they were afraid of Ravi. Some of the best writers, gone. I am not afraid of Ravi and I don't even know him. I would trust him with my kids, regardless of all the uproar trying to make him appear mentally ill on a message board. If the excitement is removed from FFL, I guess it will still be a good place to plug in to find past friends and chat with them about their experiences with dealing with life and what comes afterward. Welcome back! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Hey, Emily, Judy, Raunchy, It appears all the dudes have gone away this evening. hahaha Look, no post from dudes. See? Check the time and lets count. We rule! We own them! God loves us! Yay for Venus transiting Aquarius! Yay! We won! Let's meet for tea sometime soon, okay? Oh, yeah, Susan too. Funny Obba! But maybe in all this, you should consider, that we didn't leave because we are cowards (oh the aggressiveness of it!), but because some of us simply live in different time zones. IOW, when Judy is just about to warm up, it's already past midnight here! Also Obba, I found your words last week very encouraging, but 10 min per day don't work for me, unfortunately I am a slow typer, and foreigner at that, so some of the more juicy words (usually signifying emotion, or moralistic POV's) I have to look up. And regarding some of the people here, it's not enough to just post in a straight forward way, you have to study a whole metaphysical system to even be able to converse with them! (and that's not a put down!) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Great rules! Maybe if these go across the board, everything will be alright! I once had the pissing submarines! You put them in the toilet and sink them. Potty target. Good link. Could work. For some reason, I think we need some adult diapers here too. Ultra protection. Us women stay out of it ; ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIaORknS1Dk --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Obbajeeba, you're quite right. Indiscriminate pissing on FFLife needs to be more accurate. Let's give the dudes something to aim for. How about a pissing contest? Pissing contest rules: 1. Dudes only. 2. Submit qualifying scores: time, distance, marksmanship. 3. Unacceptable targets:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Not like some dudes on this forum who piss the spot with complete teeth grinding bark, protection for their red fire hydrant in multiple layers of consciousness available if only to break through their awareness as something more that tangible, all muddled together 75 foot lead wall with dancing football cheerleaders in cowboy lingerie. Nabby not included. He has some morals about morals. Let me guess. You've been taking the same How To Write Completely Incoherent English correspondence course that MZ, Ravi, and Bob Price took, right? :-) Replace the that, with than, just before tangible. I was lowering my standards to get to the group of very unaware seekers who think they know everything that is under the Ravi (Sun). LMAO. : ) Let me translate the above for you, since you appear to wish to understand: There are men who type on this FFL forum, who act like dogs and mark their location and their looking for other opposite sex dogs by peeing on a red fire hydrant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvjVO_n0XFg all the while their minds are thinking about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dgpsI1MdQI and say, Huh? Why can I not see past my own hand? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw0B4C__b-M and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKg8G9sMWUY You are not out of that category as you mention above, Turq. Add your name in there too. Always peeing on Judy's fire hydrant like a dog in heat. : )
[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Not like some dudes on this forum who piss the spot with complete teeth grinding bark, protection for their red fire hydrant in multiple layers of consciousness available if only to break through their awareness as something more that tangible, all muddled together 75 foot lead wall with dancing football cheerleaders in cowboy lingerie. Nabby not included. He has some morals about morals. Let me guess. You've been taking the same How To Write Completely Incoherent English correspondence course that MZ, Ravi, and Bob Price took, right? :-) For me, the thought/concern/problem was the the writing just might be an accurate reflection of the thinking process! But hey, they all had an amazing vocabulary and lots of esoteric info.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Not like some dudes on this forum who piss the spot with complete teeth grinding bark, protection for their red fire hydrant in multiple layers of consciousness available if only to break through their awareness as something more that tangible, all muddled together 75 foot lead wall with dancing football cheerleaders in cowboy lingerie. Nabby not included. He has some morals about morals. Let me guess. You've been taking the same How To Write Completely Incoherent English correspondence course that MZ, Ravi, and Bob Price took, right? :-) For me, the thought/concern/problem was the the writing just might be an accurate reflection of the thinking process! But hey, they all had an amazing vocabulary and lots of esoteric info. I do not know what you are talking about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5ih1IRIRxI The mind, the thinking process http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCKe65vjN58 could be no more than the very ill's interpretation of how others think is wrong http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luhvLYcLv7A Right, Ms. Ratchet? : )
[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Not like some dudes on this forum who piss the spot with complete teeth grinding bark, protection for their red fire hydrant in multiple layers of consciousness available if only to break through their awareness as something more that tangible, all muddled together 75 foot lead wall with dancing football cheerleaders in cowboy lingerie. Nabby not included. He has some morals about morals. Let me guess. You've been taking the same How To Write Completely Incoherent English correspondence course that MZ, Ravi, and Bob Price took, right? :-) For me, the thought/concern/problem was the the writing just might be an accurate reflection of the thinking process! My point exactly.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anyone tried this?
Here is an exercise that enables one to keep warm in cold weather... Vaj: Lobsang Rampa was a phony fiction writer. These are not instructions for heat yoga (caNDAlI-yoga). Candali (kundalini) is a Sanskrit translation of a Tibetan word - Tummo. But, in fact, 'Heat Yoga' was popularized by Bikram Choudhury. Bikram Yoga's goal is to obtain general health through hatha yoga poses and pranyama. Bikram Choudhury believes that the heated studio helps with deeper stretching, while reducing stress and tension. You can find the detailed instructions in Bikram's 'Pranayama Series' of Hatha Yoga poses, which are very similar to the instructions of T. Lobsang Rampa! Go figure. However, the practice of Tibetan 'Tummo', is the yoga of generating 'inner' heat. This practice has been described in detail by W.Y. Evans-Wentz in his book 'Tibetan Yoga and Secret Doctrines'. Tummo is a siddha meditation technique, similar to the practice of TM. According to MMY, this yoga technique, pranyama, when followed by deep meditation, accompanied by a non-semantic mnemonic, such as a bija mantra, produces an intensely blissful feeling. According to the Kagyu tradition of Tibetan Buddhism, Tummo was developed by the Mahasiddha Naropa, as a set of practices in the 'Six Yogas of Naropa', to be used in order to recognize the true nature of the mind. Read more: 'Foundations of Tibetan Mysticism' According to the Esoteric Teachings of the Great Mantra Om Mani Padme Hum By Lama Anagarika Govinda E.P. Dutton Co, 1960
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Anyone tried this?
On Jan 10, 2012, at 11:01 AM, richardatrwilliamsdotus wrote: Here is an exercise that enables one to keep warm in cold weather... Vaj: Lobsang Rampa was a phony fiction writer. These are not instructions for heat yoga (caNDAlI-yoga). Candali (kundalini) is a Sanskrit translation of a Tibetan word - Tummo. Actually gtum mo is a Tibetan translation of the Sanskrit. But, in fact, 'Heat Yoga' was popularized by Bikram Choudhury. Bikram Yoga's goal is to obtain general health through hatha yoga poses and pranyama. Different type of heat yoga Willy. Bikram Choudhury believes that the heated studio helps with deeper stretching, while reducing stress and tension. You can find the detailed instructions in Bikram's 'Pranayama Series' of Hatha Yoga poses, which are very similar to the instructions of T. Lobsang Rampa! Go figure. However, the practice of Tibetan 'Tummo', is the yoga of generating 'inner' heat. This practice has been described in detail by W.Y. Evans-Wentz in his book 'Tibetan Yoga and Secret Doctrines'. Tummo is a siddha meditation technique, similar to the practice of TM. Were you ever instructed in TM? I've been instructed in both TM and chandali-yoga and they're actually nothing alike.
[FairfieldLife] A Fourth and Final Open Letter to Ravi Chivukula
Dear Ravi Chivukula, Although it will be argued that you were silenced at FFL because of the specific things you said about certain people, the real reason why you have been sanctioned is because, just in general, you do not show any awareness of the subtle norms of Western Civilization discourse and debate and interpersonal interaction. You see, your transgressive mode (RTM) is intrinsic to your whole way of being in your life; it is not something that you construct artificially as a method of ambushing and violating and provoking those people with whom you disagree, or who you feel, according to you, are hypocrites, liars, or ignoramuses. You either refuse to insert this element of self-perspective and self-discipline into your writing, or else you are incapable, presently, of even attuning yourself to the 'good manners' of an adult who conducts 'business' (in this case posting and arguing at FFL) in the world. It is all very well to say: Well, I was just being honest; I was just calling it as I see it; I was inspired to expose dishonesty, disingenuousness, insincerity, wilful stupidity and so on. But you did this like some genius child, a child who lacks the maturity and reflective objectivity to have any idea whatsoever as to *how you were being perceived at FFL*. There was, then, Ravi, something oblivious, self-centered, impossibly impulsive about your posts. It is one thing to flout convention, but when someone, even inside perhaps a certain spontaneity and inspiration, criticizes, confronts, and excoriates other human beings, the reader (and not just the victim of your unabashed remarks) must sense that you have control over yourself*, you know what you are doing*, *you are aware of how this is playing inside the consciousness of others*. And this, Ravi, is what I think your most serious fault or limitation or flaw; and I believe in the end it is what brought you down. Even now I doubt you have any sense of shock or trauma or sadness that your posting privileges have been revokedI assume permanently. For you, it is all part of this unstoppable dance of perfect audacity, this cosmic transgressive destiny. Fine. Let's say this indeed is your mission, your calling: to go after various persons at FFL, and presumably in the world, who you feel deserve to be exposed and humiliated. But, Ravi, you are executing this inwardly felt compulsion without regard to the most basic graces that underpin and make possible the conventions of dialogue and debate in Western Civilization. Among adult human beings, that is. It isn't then just your refusal to acknowledge or conform to these implicit standards of discourse between mature human persons; it is your apparent obliviousness that such standards and conventions even exist. This, I believe, is what appalls, shocks, astonishes, and finally outrages people at FFL. This person, Ravi Chivukula, he may in some profound sense be innocent, but his innocence does not hold within itself the requisite maturity, self-knowingness, interpersonal awareness which would in some sense justify what he is saying. Ravi Chivukula is performing in front of us, and sometimes with a certain brilliance and virtuosity, but even at his best, he is still demonstrating to us that he is somehow arrested at a level of a childand we demand that in order to listen to him, to become his willing audience, we would ask him to exercise the self-control, the discretion, the prudence of an adult. Your unwillingness to do this starts to seem as if your *inability* to do this, and this is not normal; not normal, that is, in this culture. So, even among those of us who find you amusing, even insightfuland often hilariousthere is the recognition that you are always very near to crossing the line. And to repeat: the sense one gets in reading your posts is you don't know what is being asked or demanded of you in order to even legitimize your behaviour*. You pride yourself on your infinite independence and autonomy. But this comes off as not just healthy rebelliousness and nonconformity; it comes off as dangerously and hopelessly indiscreet. So that, no matter what you say about someone, positive or negative, the impression is: this guy is assuming the right and prerogative of epater les bourgeoisshocking and offending*without really taking any responsibility for doing this*. That is, without experiencing the impact of your actions within yourself. You are not, then, Ravi, passing through what is necessary within yourself in order to say these things. Your descriptions and analyses of certain posters at FFL lack any evidence of a certain moral responsibility and sophistication of self-knowledge which would in some sense entitle you to take these chances. To be this bold. To be this judgmental. For me, this is a great limitation, which you must seek to understand and overcome. Else your life will end in failure and ignominy. You are
[FairfieldLife] Gayatri
Greetings, Gayatri (Gail) has come to the surface to share her personal experiences with Ammachi and the Ashram in India. She has put together her memoirs and will be publishing a book soon. If you want to read some of her experiences go to examma yahoo group.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anyone tried this?
If Gingrich or Ron Paul find out about this - they'll want DHSS to teach pranyama to the homeless. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: From Cyril Henry Hoskin's a.k.a. Tuesday Lobsang Rampa's book Wisdom of the Ancients: Here is an exercise that enables one to keep warm in cold weather. It is something much practiced in Tibet where a lama can sit unclothed on ice, and even melt ice around him and dry off wet blankets draped around his shoulders. Here's how you do it. Sit comfortably ... and make sure that you really ARE sitting with your spine upright. You must have no tensions or pressing worries for the moment. Close your eyes, and think of yourself saying, 'OM, OM, OM', telepathically. Close your left nostril, and take us much air as you can through the right nostril. Then close the right (your thumb is the best for this because it is the most convenient), and retain the breath by pressing your chin hard against your chest, bring your chin up close to your neck. Hold your breath for a time, and then gradually exhale through the left nostril by closing the right nostril (again the thumb is easiest here). Careful note -- in this particular exercise one always breathes in through the right nostril, and always breathes out through the left nostril. You should do this from a start of ten breathings, during which you gradually increase the time of breath retention, up to some fifty times, but you must increase your breath retention very gradually, there is no need to rush, and while on the subject here is a little note which may free you from worry: when you have been doing it for some time, and you are doing it with deep breath retention, you may find that you perspire from the roots of the hair. That is perfectly safe, perfectly normal, and really does increase the health and cleanliness of the body.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Impeccable timeline, Judy. How *do* you do it? Well, when Yahoo Advanced Search is working, it isn't that difficult. Sure couldn't do it just from memory. Does take a bit of back and forth, and it does require familiarity with the search options. Well, I do it from memory. I will naturally notice more my inclusion in any of his lists then others here, and Ravi was also absent (overposting) for more than a week. AFAIK he started being degaratory to me only when putting my video in the subject line. And that was long, long time after Emily had posted her rant. That's right. But *before* I'd responded to any of your attacks on me that you made after your break. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@ wrote: snip In any case, if he had really just been taking cues from others, he might well have taken his anti-zarzari cue from *Emily's* post. Oh, but Emily took her cue from me, right? Well, that's not what I said, you are making it up now. That's why I said, Right? I was anticipating, sarcastically, that that's what you'd say. What I was doing in this post was eliminating every possibility that Ravi had attacked you because he was taking cues from me. The timeline of the posts just doesn't support that notion. Ooops, no, wait. My first response to your exchange with Barry was very mild, hardly denunciatory. Correct. It wasn't until Robin took after you big-time that I used the term slimy to refer to your post to Barry. And by that time Emily had already given the two of you a very thorough tongue-lashing, completely of her own accord. At the time I had to take an announced break, but the basis of this was your very unfortunate snipping of my original post, you know the one, where you started to lash out after my two word 'of course' with the rest of the quote being Barry's, and being entirely out of context, and also being misinterpreted by you and consequently by Emily, and which resulted into a series of mis-attributions of quotes by Barry. Emily didn't misinterpret, and that's not why Robin misattributed the quotes. Plus which, you just agreed that that post of mine was very mild. If it was lashing out, it was very restrained in that regard. You misunderstood the basis for my response to your Of course. I tried to explain it to you when you emailed me privately to object, but you didn't get it. I was calling your attention to the absurdity of *Barry's* statement, of its logical structure, not the content. Then I addressed the content by pointing out that his premise was inaccurate as well. Emily was responding to both you and Barry, and what she was objecting to was your *labeling*, whether with NPD or BPD. She used NPD--which Barry had used-- as an example, but she found both labels unacceptable. It was the fact of the labeling, not the specific label, that she was objecting to. The part I snipped from your post would not have made any difference to her objection (or to mine). Again, I tried to explain this to you privately, but you didn't understand. And Ravi didn't start going after you until you'd come back after your little vacation. That was *after* you'd already made several posts attacking me, but before I'd had a chance to respond. Well, I am not aware of those attacks, but I may have missed them. Which attacks? Ravi's? You just cited them above, the ones about your video. And obviously you didn't miss your own attacks on me. So you aren't making any sense here. The ones I remember, where after you had gone ballistic. I went ballistic in our *private exchange*, so obviously that couldn't have influenced Ravi. I didn't go after you in public until *after* Ravi did, after your break, in response to the attacks you'd made on me. The single harsh post I made about you before your break was my post to Robin correcting his attributions, the one in which I called what you'd said in your exchange with Barry slimy. And that was *after* Emily had posted her rant. But, anyway he is gone, he also took cues from you in his whole line of argumentation, like you saying, that enlightened ones can't be judged by their behavior, He had been making that point all along by contrasting his behavior with what he claimed about his inner state. It didn't come from me. a very unwholesome argument for him to use. Maybe, maybe not. We have no way of knowing whether it was unwholesome. In any case, it's idiotic for you to blame it on me. You just made the point *yourself* in another post that MMY had said enlightenment can't be determined from behavior, so why are you even objecting to
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Fourth and Final Open Letter to Ravi Chivukula
I think this is a brilliant analysis, Robin, and a beautiful, loving approach to Ravi. Kudos. I hope he reads it and takes it to heart. I hope everyone else here reads it as well and comes away with a clearer understanding of both Ravi and the often ragged, sometimes brutal interpersonal dynamics of FFL. We could all use a healthy dose of this kind of empathy, the recognition that there's more to a person, any person, than what we see on the surface via their posts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Dear Ravi Chivukula, Although it will be argued that you were silenced at FFL because of the specific things you said about certain people, the real reason why you have been sanctioned is because, just in general, you do not show any awareness of the subtle norms of Western Civilization discourse and debate and interpersonal interaction. You see, your transgressive mode (RTM) is intrinsic to your whole way of being in your life; it is not something that you construct artificially as a method of ambushing and violating and provoking those people with whom you disagree, or who you feel, according to you, are hypocrites, liars, or ignoramuses. You either refuse to insert this element of self-perspective and self-discipline into your writing, or else you are incapable, presently, of even attuning yourself to the 'good manners' of an adult who conducts 'business' (in this case posting and arguing at FFL) in the world. It is all very well to say: Well, I was just being honest; I was just calling it as I see it; I was inspired to expose dishonesty, disingenuousness, insincerity, wilful stupidity and so on. But you did this like some genius child, a child who lacks the maturity and reflective objectivity to have any idea whatsoever as to *how you were being perceived at FFL*. There was, then, Ravi, something oblivious, self-centered, impossibly impulsive about your posts. It is one thing to flout convention, but when someone, even inside perhaps a certain spontaneity and inspiration, criticizes, confronts, and excoriates other human beings, the reader (and not just the victim of your unabashed remarks) must sense that you have control over yourself*, you know what you are doing*, *you are aware of how this is playing inside the consciousness of others*. And this, Ravi, is what I think your most serious fault or limitation or flaw; and I believe in the end it is what brought you down. Even now I doubt you have any sense of shock or trauma or sadness that your posting privileges have been revokedI assume permanently. For you, it is all part of this unstoppable dance of perfect audacity, this cosmic transgressive destiny. Fine. Let's say this indeed is your mission, your calling: to go after various persons at FFL, and presumably in the world, who you feel deserve to be exposed and humiliated. But, Ravi, you are executing this inwardly felt compulsion without regard to the most basic graces that underpin and make possible the conventions of dialogue and debate in Western Civilization. Among adult human beings, that is. It isn't then just your refusal to acknowledge or conform to these implicit standards of discourse between mature human persons; it is your apparent obliviousness that such standards and conventions even exist. This, I believe, is what appalls, shocks, astonishes, and finally outrages people at FFL. This person, Ravi Chivukula, he may in some profound sense be innocent, but his innocence does not hold within itself the requisite maturity, self-knowingness, interpersonal awareness which would in some sense justify what he is saying. Ravi Chivukula is performing in front of us, and sometimes with a certain brilliance and virtuosity, but even at his best, he is still demonstrating to us that he is somehow arrested at a level of a childand we demand that in order to listen to him, to become his willing audience, we would ask him to exercise the self-control, the discretion, the prudence of an adult. Your unwillingness to do this starts to seem as if your *inability* to do this, and this is not normal; not normal, that is, in this culture. So, even among those of us who find you amusing, even insightfuland often hilariousthere is the recognition that you are always very near to crossing the line. And to repeat: the sense one gets in reading your posts is you don't know what is being asked or demanded of you in order to even legitimize your behaviour*. You pride yourself on your infinite independence and autonomy. But this comes off as not just healthy rebelliousness and nonconformity; it comes off as dangerously and hopelessly indiscreet. So that, no matter what you say about someone, positive or negative, the impression is: this guy is assuming the right and prerogative of epater les bourgeoisshocking and offending*without really taking any
Re: [FairfieldLife] Anyone tried this?
On 01/10/2012 04:50 AM, cardemaister wrote: From Cyril Henry Hoskin's a.k.a. Tuesday Lobsang Rampa's book Wisdom of the Ancients: Here is an exercise that enables one to keep warm in cold weather. It is something much practiced in Tibet where a lama can sit unclothed on ice, and even melt ice around him and dry off wet blankets draped around his shoulders. Here's how you do it. Sit comfortably ... and make sure that you really ARE sitting with your spine upright. You must have no tensions or pressing worries for the moment. Close your eyes, and think of yourself saying, 'OM, OM, OM', telepathically. Close your left nostril, and take us much air as you can through the right nostril. Then close the right (your thumb is the best for this because it is the most convenient), and retain the breath by pressing your chin hard against your chest, bring your chin up close to your neck. Hold your breath for a time, and then gradually exhale through the left nostril by closing the right nostril (again the thumb is easiest here). Careful note -- in this particular exercise one always breathes in through the right nostril, and always breathes out through the left nostril. You should do this from a start of ten breathings, during which you gradually increase the time of breath retention, up to some fifty times, but you must increase your breath retention very gradually, there is no need to rush, and while on the subject here is a little note which may free you from worry: when you have been doing it for some time, and you are doing it with deep breath retention, you may find that you perspire from the roots of the hair. That is perfectly safe, perfectly normal, and really does increase the health and cleanliness of the body. If TM'ers actually knew yoga then they would understand how this might work.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wallander
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: I've been watching both versions of Wallander lately, having missed them first time around. I thoroughly enjoy both, but tend to prefer the Swedish version. Yes me too - in fact I have enjoyed both Swedish versions (Krister Henriksson Rolf Lassgård as Wallander). Fine actor he may be, but I think Branagh does Henry V types better than flawed, non-charismatic 'everymen'. I was just so shocked when I learnt that the actress Johanna Sällström, who played opposite Krister Henriksson's Wallander as his daughter, had topped herself. Even more so given that she had a miraculous escape from the 2004 tsunami (and saved her young daughter too). Oddly it seems that her survival of the tsunami aggravated her tendency to depression, which led ultimately to suicide. ...this was only the final, devastating precipitous psychological decline she suffered in a life-long battle with depression. She had stated in an interview in 2006 with the editor of the magazine Tove, I always thought I would be dead at the age of thirty. Already battered and weakened by years of mental illness, the tsunami shattered her fragile psyche, culminating in her overdose on sleeping pills at the age of 32. She had made it past 30, but it could be said that her death was a self-fulfilling prophecy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Fourth and Final Open Letter to Ravi Chivukula
Yes, I agree that it is a brilliant analysis. I am sure dear Ravi is enjoying this read. Maybe repenting in a corner. lol MaskedZ's quote: The interpersonal context within Western Civilization, within adult intercourse in this society, can be even more intricate and subtle than the requirements of your present high-paying job as a software programmer. Tell it like it is, Robin! Amazon dot com (Tantric sex, disc 1, illustration B.) lol Oh another quote by the MaskedZ: Among adult human beings. LOL! Brilliant punch the the kisser of stone idols! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: I think this is a brilliant analysis, Robin, and a beautiful, loving approach to Ravi. Kudos. I hope he reads it and takes it to heart. I hope everyone else here reads it as well and comes away with a clearer understanding of both Ravi and the often ragged, sometimes brutal interpersonal dynamics of FFL. We could all use a healthy dose of this kind of empathy, the recognition that there's more to a person, any person, than what we see on the surface via their posts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Dear Ravi Chivukula, Although it will be argued that you were silenced at FFL because of the specific things you said about certain people, the real reason why you have been sanctioned is because, just in general, you do not show any awareness of the subtle norms of Western Civilization discourse and debate and interpersonal interaction. You see, your transgressive mode (RTM) is intrinsic to your whole way of being in your life; it is not something that you construct artificially as a method of ambushing and violating and provoking those people with whom you disagree, or who you feel, according to you, are hypocrites, liars, or ignoramuses. You either refuse to insert this element of self-perspective and self-discipline into your writing, or else you are incapable, presently, of even attuning yourself to the 'good manners' of an adult who conducts 'business' (in this case posting and arguing at FFL) in the world. It is all very well to say: Well, I was just being honest; I was just calling it as I see it; I was inspired to expose dishonesty, disingenuousness, insincerity, wilful stupidity and so on. But you did this like some genius child, a child who lacks the maturity and reflective objectivity to have any idea whatsoever as to *how you were being perceived at FFL*. There was, then, Ravi, something oblivious, self-centered, impossibly impulsive about your posts. It is one thing to flout convention, but when someone, even inside perhaps a certain spontaneity and inspiration, criticizes, confronts, and excoriates other human beings, the reader (and not just the victim of your unabashed remarks) must sense that you have control over yourself*, you know what you are doing*, *you are aware of how this is playing inside the consciousness of others*. And this, Ravi, is what I think your most serious fault or limitation or flaw; and I believe in the end it is what brought you down. Even now I doubt you have any sense of shock or trauma or sadness that your posting privileges have been revokedI assume permanently. For you, it is all part of this unstoppable dance of perfect audacity, this cosmic transgressive destiny. Fine. Let's say this indeed is your mission, your calling: to go after various persons at FFL, and presumably in the world, who you feel deserve to be exposed and humiliated. But, Ravi, you are executing this inwardly felt compulsion without regard to the most basic graces that underpin and make possible the conventions of dialogue and debate in Western Civilization. Among adult human beings, that is. It isn't then just your refusal to acknowledge or conform to these implicit standards of discourse between mature human persons; it is your apparent obliviousness that such standards and conventions even exist. This, I believe, is what appalls, shocks, astonishes, and finally outrages people at FFL. This person, Ravi Chivukula, he may in some profound sense be innocent, but his innocence does not hold within itself the requisite maturity, self-knowingness, interpersonal awareness which would in some sense justify what he is saying. Ravi Chivukula is performing in front of us, and sometimes with a certain brilliance and virtuosity, but even at his best, he is still demonstrating to us that he is somehow arrested at a level of a childand we demand that in order to listen to him, to become his willing audience, we would ask him to exercise the self-control, the discretion, the prudence of an adult. Your unwillingness to do this starts to seem as if your *inability* to do this, and this is not normal; not normal, that is, in this culture. So, even among those of us who find
[FairfieldLife] Re: Collapse of the Wave Function
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: WTF - What a wonderful juxtaposition of posts. LOL (Sorry to be so far behind) WTF..here I am talking about my beloved, love, sex, hate, pain, bliss, longing, separation, oneness and you are talking about this garbage. You must be suffering from irrevocable, irreparable, irretrievable brain damage, am I correct in assuming this shaim307? On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 7:37 PM, shainm307 shainm307@... wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shainm307 shainm307@ wrote: Is anyone else interested in how this works? It sure interests me. I don't have a clue how it works. Anyone else curious on how reality manifests itself and what determines differnt outcomes? This is what John Hagelin told us What's what John Hagelin told us? John told our physics class this when we asked him a few years back. but he made it clear that he isn't 100% certain That's intriguing. I've never heard him say that about anything (but then I haven't been listening to whatever he's said lately). He said something like You have no idea just how complicated this really is and you're not letting me off the hook here. Then he also said It honest to God is random. and it's more comlicated than you can imagine. He said that it is an unnatural question but reality will provide you with an answer. That's pretty cryptic. Any idea what he means? He also said it could be an entity on the other side. Whoa. What kind of entity? On the other side of what? And what's it referring to? He's probally refering to the Hidden Sector Matter part of the universe or the other side of the equation in Hectoratic E8xE8 also he said it's just the will of God. Anyone else have their speculations on how this works. I have my own speculation but I'm probably wrong on something. Why don't you post your speculation, give us something to bounce off of? I think how your reality manifests itself is based off random probabilities with the exception of Maxwell's Daemon which manifests things in an unrandom way. This is all due to the potentiality waves based off probabilities with the height of the wave the most likely outcome; Maxwells Demon just influences the probabilities( John made this clear in his physics class if you ever took it). So you live your day through the probabilities with the collapse of the wave function being determined in a random way(Randomness is my specualtation as scientists aren't sure). Now here comes the unrandom part: your thoughts determine what Maxwell's Demon determines in an unrandom fashion. The random part is the confusing part as it is hard to think how can something be random and what the sequence is in the whole process. This once again would be my speculation, as I think it is all determined by you. This is what I think matters in the whole randomness part: freewill, love, what matters, intelligence of the universe, creativity of the universe and of course God, plus probably a lot more. I havn't captured the whole random process but I imagine it's based off your freewill. Do not keep saying to yourself, if you can possibly avoid it, 'But how can it be like that?' because you will get 'down the drain,' into a blind alley from which nobody has yet escaped. Nobody knows how it can be like that.--Richard Feynman on the apparent absurdities of quantum behavior The chance is high that the truth lies in the fashionable direction. But, on the off chance that it is in another direction â a direction obvious from an unfashionable view of field theory â who will find it? Only someone who has sacrificed himself by teaching himself quantum electrodynamics from a peculiar and unfashionable point of view; one that he may have to invent for himself.--Richard Feynman, Nobel lecture, 1965
[FairfieldLife] The Mystery of Rick, Part II
And so it came to pass. Amen?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Collapse of the Wave Function
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: I actually created this world. I thought I planned it pretty good but I made a big mistake, I included myself in my creation subject to the same rules which I obviously can't remember. But I know this game has an end so I just ride along. So I know this is all mine, I own everyone's ass, but people think I'm mad and crazy, why? You stole my donkey - I want it back!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Collapse of the Wave Function
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: But then I get incredibly blissed because I know I'm the emperor that owns this fucking existence, 'cause I fucking created it !!! Fuck off. I did. I created you you twat.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Not like some dudes on this forum who piss the spot with complete teeth grinding bark, protection for their red fire hydrant in multiple layers of consciousness available if only to break through their awareness as something more that tangible, all muddled together 75 foot lead wall with dancing football cheerleaders in cowboy lingerie. Nabby not included. He has some morals about morals. Let me guess. You've been taking the same How To Write Completely Incoherent English correspondence course that MZ, Ravi, and Bob Price took, right? :-) Replace the that, with than, just before tangible. I was lowering my standards to get to the group of very unaware seekers who think they know everything that is under the Ravi (Sun). LMAO. : ) Let me translate the above for you, since you appear to wish to understand: No thanks. I was trying, in a humorous way, to express concern for you. I was hoping that last night's posts from you were the result of some kind of intoxicant, and that by morning you'd have sobered up or come down enough to realize that the things you posted made little sense. Instead you double down. This makes me even more concerned, suspecting that you actually believe that your original rant makes perfect sense if you just replace that with than. I for one am not convinced it does, or that the new rant helps it *to* make sense. There are men who type on this FFL forum, who act like dogs and mark their location and their looking for other opposite sex dogs by peeing on a red fire hydrant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvjVO_n0XFg all the while their minds are thinking about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dgpsI1MdQI and say, Huh? Why can I not see past my own hand? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw0B4C__b-M and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKg8G9sMWUY You are not out of that category as you mention above, Turq. Add your name in there too. Always peeing on Judy's fire hydrant like a dog in heat. : )
RE: [FairfieldLife] The Mystery of Rick, Part II
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 12:40 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Mystery of Rick, Part II And so it came to pass. Amen? I didn't realize there had been a Part I until I saw this. Apparently not much progress has been made in solving it.
[FairfieldLife] Strange Bedfellows
Like most liberals I have no use for Senator Paul Ryan but he recently spoke out against the SOPA bill in congress saying it would lead to censorship on the Internet. I'll applaud him for that and also Rep Darryl Issa for also speaking out against it. Let's hope this bill becomes stillborn. And also I applaud Orin Hatch for blocking a lot of the pull the ladder up vitamin supplement bills that have been introduced in congress. Occasionally conservatives are good for something.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Buck Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 8:18 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts Yep, I agree with Curtis here. What RaviC is doing here is sinful by resolution and no good for the community here. He is not contributing to the conversation but fishing it with this kind of spiritual abuse. As much as anything he is mocking Rick with this stuff. This is needless over the top abuse. The FFL list Moderators should unsubscribe this guy Ravi from FFL. The guy has fouled out, so to speak. Unsubscribe him now. -Buck I guess you all realize by now that Ravi has been unsubscribed. I don't have the time to follow these antics, but several people whom I respect emailed me, unbeknownst to each other, and expressed their concern not only for his violation of FFL guidelines, but for his sanity. So we nuked him.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Strange Bedfellows
On 01/10/2012 12:20 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Like most liberals I have no use for Senator Paul Ryan but he recently spoke out against the SOPA bill in congress saying it would lead to censorship on the Internet. I'll applaud him for that and also Rep Darryl Issa for also speaking out against it. Let's hope this bill becomes stillborn. And also I applaud Orin Hatch for blocking a lot of the pull the ladder up vitamin supplement bills that have been introduced in congress. Occasionally conservatives are good for something. Great report by Max Keiser about the SOPA law and how Hollywood is conning Congress: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=GX-gYrTxz9U http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=GX-gYrTxz9U Max ought to know. He is a former computer programmer who developed the Hollywood Stock Exchange. Only in America can you default on a mortgage and not go to jail but go to jail for 5 years for downloading a movie illegally.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
Ravi 4 Prez!!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Buck Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 8:18 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts Yep, I agree with Curtis here. What RaviC is doing here is sinful by resolution and no good for the community here. He is not contributing to the conversation but fishing it with this kind of spiritual abuse. As much as anything he is mocking Rick with this stuff. This is needless over the top abuse. The FFL list Moderators should unsubscribe this guy Ravi from FFL. The guy has fouled out, so to speak. Unsubscribe him now. -Buck I guess you all realize by now that Ravi has been unsubscribed. I don't have the time to follow these antics, but several people whom I respect emailed me, unbeknownst to each other, and expressed their concern not only for his violation of FFL guidelines, but for his sanity. So we nuked him.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Fourth and Final Open Letter to Ravi Chivukula
This was really well written Robin. While I think a much shorter exposition could contain the same basic idea, in this case the extensive detail is justified and called for. Ravi would benefit from digesting this and grasping all its implications. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Dear Ravi Chivukula, Although it will be argued that you were silenced at FFL because of the specific things you said about certain people, the real reason why you have been sanctioned is because, just in general, you do not show any awareness of the subtle norms of Western Civilization discourse and debate and interpersonal interaction. You see, your transgressive mode (RTM) is intrinsic to your whole way of being in your life; it is not something that you construct artificially as a method of ambushing and violating and provoking those people with whom you disagree, or who you feel, according to you, are hypocrites, liars, or ignoramuses. You either refuse to insert this element of self-perspective and self-discipline into your writing, or else you are incapable, presently, of even attuning yourself to the 'good manners' of an adult who conducts 'business' (in this case posting and arguing at FFL) in the world. It is all very well to say: Well, I was just being honest; I was just calling it as I see it; I was inspired to expose dishonesty, disingenuousness, insincerity, wilful stupidity and so on. But you did this like some genius child, a child who lacks the maturity and reflective objectivity to have any idea whatsoever as to *how you were being perceived at FFL*. There was, then, Ravi, something oblivious, self-centered, impossibly impulsive about your posts. It is one thing to flout convention, but when someone, even inside perhaps a certain spontaneity and inspiration, criticizes, confronts, and excoriates other human beings, the reader (and not just the victim of your unabashed remarks) must sense that you have control over yourself*, you know what you are doing*, *you are aware of how this is playing inside the consciousness of others*. And this, Ravi, is what I think your most serious fault or limitation or flaw; and I believe in the end it is what brought you down. Even now I doubt you have any sense of shock or trauma or sadness that your posting privileges have been revoked�I assume permanently. For you, it is all part of this unstoppable dance of perfect audacity, this cosmic transgressive destiny. Fine. Let's say this indeed is your mission, your calling: to go after various persons at FFL, and presumably in the world, who you feel deserve to be exposed and humiliated. But, Ravi, you are executing this inwardly felt compulsion without regard to the most basic graces that underpin and make possible the conventions of dialogue and debate in Western Civilization. Among adult human beings, that is. It isn't then just your refusal to acknowledge or conform to these implicit standards of discourse between mature human persons; it is your apparent obliviousness that such standards and conventions even exist. This, I believe, is what appalls, shocks, astonishes, and finally outrages people at FFL. This person, Ravi Chivukula, he may in some profound sense be innocent, but his innocence does not hold within itself the requisite maturity, self-knowingness, interpersonal awareness which would in some sense justify what he is saying. Ravi Chivukula is performing in front of us, and sometimes with a certain brilliance and virtuosity, but even at his best, he is still demonstrating to us that he is somehow arrested at a level of a child�and we demand that in order to listen to him, to become his willing audience, we would ask him to exercise the self-control, the discretion, the prudence of an adult. Your unwillingness to do this starts to seem as if your *inability* to do this, and this is not normal; not normal, that is, in this culture. So, even among those of us who find you amusing, even insightful�and often hilarious�there is the recognition that you are always very near to crossing the line. And to repeat: the sense one gets in reading your posts is you don't know what is being asked or demanded of you in order to even legitimize your behaviour*. You pride yourself on your infinite independence and autonomy. But this comes off as not just healthy rebelliousness and nonconformity; it comes off as dangerously and hopelessly indiscreet. So that, no matter what you say about someone, positive or negative, the impression is: this guy is assuming the right and prerogative of epater les bourgeois�shocking and offending�*without really taking any responsibility for doing this*. That is, without experiencing the impact of your actions within yourself. You are not, then, Ravi, passing through what is necessary within yourself in order to say
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Fourth and Final Open Letter to Ravi Chivukula
On Jan 10, 2012, at 5:39 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: This was really well written Robin. While I think a much shorter exposition could contain the same basic idea, in this case the extensive detail is justified and called for. Ravi would benefit from digesting this and grasping all its implications. He certainly has not lost his writing panache.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Fourth and Final Open Letter to Ravi Chivukula
Superb stuff, MZ. Beautifully written. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Dear Ravi Chivukula, Although it will be argued that you were silenced at FFL because of the specific things you said about certain people, the real reason why you have been sanctioned is because, just in general, you do not show any awareness of the subtle norms of Western Civilization discourse and debate and interpersonal interaction. You see, your transgressive mode (RTM) is intrinsic to your whole way of being in your life; it is not something that you construct artificially as a method of ambushing and violating and provoking those people with whom you disagree, or who you feel, according to you, are hypocrites, liars, or ignoramuses. You either refuse to insert this element of self-perspective and self-discipline into your writing, or else you are incapable, presently, of even attuning yourself to the 'good manners' of an adult who conducts 'business' (in this case posting and arguing at FFL) in the world. It is all very well to say: Well, I was just being honest; I was just calling it as I see it; I was inspired to expose dishonesty, disingenuousness, insincerity, wilful stupidity and so on. But you did this like some genius child, a child who lacks the maturity and reflective objectivity to have any idea whatsoever as to *how you were being perceived at FFL*. There was, then, Ravi, something oblivious, self-centered, impossibly impulsive about your posts. It is one thing to flout convention, but when someone, even inside perhaps a certain spontaneity and inspiration, criticizes, confronts, and excoriates other human beings, the reader (and not just the victim of your unabashed remarks) must sense that you have control over yourself*, you know what you are doing*, *you are aware of how this is playing inside the consciousness of others*. And this, Ravi, is what I think your most serious fault or limitation or flaw; and I believe in the end it is what brought you down. Even now I doubt you have any sense of shock or trauma or sadness that your posting privileges have been revokedI assume permanently. For you, it is all part of this unstoppable dance of perfect audacity, this cosmic transgressive destiny. Fine. Let's say this indeed is your mission, your calling: to go after various persons at FFL, and presumably in the world, who you feel deserve to be exposed and humiliated. But, Ravi, you are executing this inwardly felt compulsion without regard to the most basic graces that underpin and make possible the conventions of dialogue and debate in Western Civilization. Among adult human beings, that is. It isn't then just your refusal to acknowledge or conform to these implicit standards of discourse between mature human persons; it is your apparent obliviousness that such standards and conventions even exist. This, I believe, is what appalls, shocks, astonishes, and finally outrages people at FFL. This person, Ravi Chivukula, he may in some profound sense be innocent, but his innocence does not hold within itself the requisite maturity, self-knowingness, interpersonal awareness which would in some sense justify what he is saying. Ravi Chivukula is performing in front of us, and sometimes with a certain brilliance and virtuosity, but even at his best, he is still demonstrating to us that he is somehow arrested at a level of a childand we demand that in order to listen to him, to become his willing audience, we would ask him to exercise the self-control, the discretion, the prudence of an adult. Your unwillingness to do this starts to seem as if your *inability* to do this, and this is not normal; not normal, that is, in this culture. So, even among those of us who find you amusing, even insightfuland often hilariousthere is the recognition that you are always very near to crossing the line. And to repeat: the sense one gets in reading your posts is you don't know what is being asked or demanded of you in order to even legitimize your behaviour*. You pride yourself on your infinite independence and autonomy. But this comes off as not just healthy rebelliousness and nonconformity; it comes off as dangerously and hopelessly indiscreet. So that, no matter what you say about someone, positive or negative, the impression is: this guy is assuming the right and prerogative of epater les bourgeoisshocking and offending*without really taking any responsibility for doing this*. That is, without experiencing the impact of your actions within yourself. You are not, then, Ravi, passing through what is necessary within yourself in order to say these things. Your descriptions and analyses of certain posters at FFL lack any evidence of a certain moral responsibility and sophistication of self-knowledge which would in some sense entitle you to take these
[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
Actually, I am glad to learn, that I was not the only person who didn't understand, and that it wasn't really my missing English capabilities. You see, the girls were actually piling onto Judy's reaction to me, in the illusion she had just finished me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Not like some dudes on this forum who piss the spot with complete teeth grinding bark, protection for their red fire hydrant in multiple layers of consciousness available if only to break through their awareness as something more that tangible, all muddled together 75 foot lead wall with dancing football cheerleaders in cowboy lingerie. Nabby not included. He has some morals about morals. Let me guess. You've been taking the same How To Write Completely Incoherent English correspondence course that MZ, Ravi, and Bob Price took, right? :-) Replace the that, with than, just before tangible. I was lowering my standards to get to the group of very unaware seekers who think they know everything that is under the Ravi (Sun). LMAO. : ) Let me translate the above for you, since you appear to wish to understand: No thanks. I was trying, in a humorous way, to express concern for you. I was hoping that last night's posts from you were the result of some kind of intoxicant, and that by morning you'd have sobered up or come down enough to realize that the things you posted made little sense. Instead you double down. This makes me even more concerned, suspecting that you actually believe that your original rant makes perfect sense if you just replace that with than. I for one am not convinced it does, or that the new rant helps it *to* make sense. There are men who type on this FFL forum, who act like dogs and mark their location and their looking for other opposite sex dogs by peeing on a red fire hydrant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvjVO_n0XFg all the while their minds are thinking about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dgpsI1MdQI and say, Huh? Why can I not see past my own hand? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw0B4C__b-M and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKg8G9sMWUY You are not out of that category as you mention above, Turq. Add your name in there too. Always peeing on Judy's fire hydrant like a dog in heat. : )
[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Not like some dudes on this forum who piss the spot with complete teeth grinding bark, protection for their red fire hydrant in multiple layers of consciousness available if only to break through their awareness as something more that tangible, all muddled together 75 foot lead wall with dancing football cheerleaders in cowboy lingerie. Nabby not included. He has some morals about morals. Let me guess. You've been taking the same How To Write Completely Incoherent English correspondence course that MZ, Ravi, and Bob Price took, right? :-) Replace the that, with than, just before tangible. I was lowering my standards to get to the group of very unaware seekers who think they know everything that is under the Ravi (Sun). LMAO. : ) Let me translate the above for you, since you appear to wish to understand: No thanks. I was trying, in a humorous way, to express concern for you. I was hoping that last night's posts from you were the result of some kind of intoxicant, and that by morning you'd have sobered up or come down enough to realize that the things you posted made little sense. Instead you double down. This makes me even more concerned, suspecting that you actually believe that your original rant makes perfect sense if you just replace that with than. I for one am not convinced it does, or that the new rant helps it *to* make sense. Do you not like Christian posts, Turq? This group IS titled under, Spirituality. Jesus told me to do it, in a rather odd way. See ya next week or so! There are men who type on this FFL forum, who act like dogs and mark their location and their looking for other opposite sex dogs by peeing on a red fire hydrant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvjVO_n0XFg all the while their minds are thinking about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dgpsI1MdQI and say, Huh? Why can I not see past my own hand? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw0B4C__b-M and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKg8G9sMWUY You are not out of that category as you mention above, Turq. Add your name in there too. Always peeing on Judy's fire hydrant like a dog in heat. : )
[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
Oh wait, one more reply! I was sharing Christianity with you, the way the countrymen around me feel it. The bible is strong here. That was all. No understanding necessary. Just accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior and everything will be fine! Zar zar, I like you. I did not think Judy finished you. Judy and I stand alone, from each other, with respect. The girls may not all be girls, you silly girl. ; ) Okay, bye bye. Love you all. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@... wrote: Actually, I am glad to learn, that I was not the only person who didn't understand, and that it wasn't really my missing English capabilities. You see, the girls were actually piling onto Judy's reaction to me, in the illusion she had just finished me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Not like some dudes on this forum who piss the spot with complete teeth grinding bark, protection for their red fire hydrant in multiple layers of consciousness available if only to break through their awareness as something more that tangible, all muddled together 75 foot lead wall with dancing football cheerleaders in cowboy lingerie. Nabby not included. He has some morals about morals. Let me guess. You've been taking the same How To Write Completely Incoherent English correspondence course that MZ, Ravi, and Bob Price took, right? :-) Replace the that, with than, just before tangible. I was lowering my standards to get to the group of very unaware seekers who think they know everything that is under the Ravi (Sun). LMAO. : ) Let me translate the above for you, since you appear to wish to understand: No thanks. I was trying, in a humorous way, to express concern for you. I was hoping that last night's posts from you were the result of some kind of intoxicant, and that by morning you'd have sobered up or come down enough to realize that the things you posted made little sense. Instead you double down. This makes me even more concerned, suspecting that you actually believe that your original rant makes perfect sense if you just replace that with than. I for one am not convinced it does, or that the new rant helps it *to* make sense. There are men who type on this FFL forum, who act like dogs and mark their location and their looking for other opposite sex dogs by peeing on a red fire hydrant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvjVO_n0XFg all the while their minds are thinking about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dgpsI1MdQI and say, Huh? Why can I not see past my own hand? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw0B4C__b-M and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKg8G9sMWUY You are not out of that category as you mention above, Turq. Add your name in there too. Always peeing on Judy's fire hydrant like a dog in heat. : )
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Fourth and Final Open Letter to Ravi Chivukula
Xenophaneros, I appreciate these sentiments, Xenophaneros. Although it is easy to be convinced of the truth of what someone is saying when that person compliments you. But in this case, it just felt real and straightforward. I am grateful for your judgment of my letter to Ravi. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: This was really well written Robin. While I think a much shorter exposition could contain the same basic idea, in this case the extensive detail is justified and called for. Ravi would benefit from digesting this and grasping all its implications. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Dear Ravi Chivukula, Although it will be argued that you were silenced at FFL because of the specific things you said about certain people, the real reason why you have been sanctioned is because, just in general, you do not show any awareness of the subtle norms of Western Civilization discourse and debate and interpersonal interaction. You see, your transgressive mode (RTM) is intrinsic to your whole way of being in your life; it is not something that you construct artificially as a method of ambushing and violating and provoking those people with whom you disagree, or who you feel, according to you, are hypocrites, liars, or ignoramuses. You either refuse to insert this element of self-perspective and self-discipline into your writing, or else you are incapable, presently, of even attuning yourself to the 'good manners' of an adult who conducts 'business' (in this case posting and arguing at FFL) in the world. It is all very well to say: Well, I was just being honest; I was just calling it as I see it; I was inspired to expose dishonesty, disingenuousness, insincerity, wilful stupidity and so on. But you did this like some genius child, a child who lacks the maturity and reflective objectivity to have any idea whatsoever as to *how you were being perceived at FFL*. There was, then, Ravi, something oblivious, self-centered, impossibly impulsive about your posts. It is one thing to flout convention, but when someone, even inside perhaps a certain spontaneity and inspiration, criticizes, confronts, and excoriates other human beings, the reader (and not just the victim of your unabashed remarks) must sense that you have control over yourself*, you know what you are doing*, *you are aware of how this is playing inside the consciousness of others*. And this, Ravi, is what I think your most serious fault or limitation or flaw; and I believe in the end it is what brought you down. Even now I doubt you have any sense of shock or trauma or sadness that your posting privileges have been revoked�I assume permanently. For you, it is all part of this unstoppable dance of perfect audacity, this cosmic transgressive destiny. Fine. Let's say this indeed is your mission, your calling: to go after various persons at FFL, and presumably in the world, who you feel deserve to be exposed and humiliated. But, Ravi, you are executing this inwardly felt compulsion without regard to the most basic graces that underpin and make possible the conventions of dialogue and debate in Western Civilization. Among adult human beings, that is. It isn't then just your refusal to acknowledge or conform to these implicit standards of discourse between mature human persons; it is your apparent obliviousness that such standards and conventions even exist. This, I believe, is what appalls, shocks, astonishes, and finally outrages people at FFL. This person, Ravi Chivukula, he may in some profound sense be innocent, but his innocence does not hold within itself the requisite maturity, self-knowingness, interpersonal awareness which would in some sense justify what he is saying. Ravi Chivukula is performing in front of us, and sometimes with a certain brilliance and virtuosity, but even at his best, he is still demonstrating to us that he is somehow arrested at a level of a child�and we demand that in order to listen to him, to become his willing audience, we would ask him to exercise the self-control, the discretion, the prudence of an adult. Your unwillingness to do this starts to seem as if your *inability* to do this, and this is not normal; not normal, that is, in this culture. So, even among those of us who find you amusing, even insightful�and often hilarious�there is the recognition that you are always very near to crossing the line. And to repeat: the sense one gets in reading your posts is you don't know what is being asked or demanded of you in order to even legitimize your behaviour*. You pride yourself on your infinite independence and autonomy. But this comes off as not just healthy rebelliousness and nonconformity; it comes off as dangerously and
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Fourth and Final Open Letter to Ravi Chivukula
Thank you for this, feste37. Your comment here went right into me. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: Superb stuff, MZ. Beautifully written. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Dear Ravi Chivukula, Although it will be argued that you were silenced at FFL because of the specific things you said about certain people, the real reason why you have been sanctioned is because, just in general, you do not show any awareness of the subtle norms of Western Civilization discourse and debate and interpersonal interaction. You see, your transgressive mode (RTM) is intrinsic to your whole way of being in your life; it is not something that you construct artificially as a method of ambushing and violating and provoking those people with whom you disagree, or who you feel, according to you, are hypocrites, liars, or ignoramuses. You either refuse to insert this element of self-perspective and self-discipline into your writing, or else you are incapable, presently, of even attuning yourself to the 'good manners' of an adult who conducts 'business' (in this case posting and arguing at FFL) in the world. It is all very well to say: Well, I was just being honest; I was just calling it as I see it; I was inspired to expose dishonesty, disingenuousness, insincerity, wilful stupidity and so on. But you did this like some genius child, a child who lacks the maturity and reflective objectivity to have any idea whatsoever as to *how you were being perceived at FFL*. There was, then, Ravi, something oblivious, self-centered, impossibly impulsive about your posts. It is one thing to flout convention, but when someone, even inside perhaps a certain spontaneity and inspiration, criticizes, confronts, and excoriates other human beings, the reader (and not just the victim of your unabashed remarks) must sense that you have control over yourself*, you know what you are doing*, *you are aware of how this is playing inside the consciousness of others*. And this, Ravi, is what I think your most serious fault or limitation or flaw; and I believe in the end it is what brought you down. Even now I doubt you have any sense of shock or trauma or sadness that your posting privileges have been revokedI assume permanently. For you, it is all part of this unstoppable dance of perfect audacity, this cosmic transgressive destiny. Fine. Let's say this indeed is your mission, your calling: to go after various persons at FFL, and presumably in the world, who you feel deserve to be exposed and humiliated. But, Ravi, you are executing this inwardly felt compulsion without regard to the most basic graces that underpin and make possible the conventions of dialogue and debate in Western Civilization. Among adult human beings, that is. It isn't then just your refusal to acknowledge or conform to these implicit standards of discourse between mature human persons; it is your apparent obliviousness that such standards and conventions even exist. This, I believe, is what appalls, shocks, astonishes, and finally outrages people at FFL. This person, Ravi Chivukula, he may in some profound sense be innocent, but his innocence does not hold within itself the requisite maturity, self-knowingness, interpersonal awareness which would in some sense justify what he is saying. Ravi Chivukula is performing in front of us, and sometimes with a certain brilliance and virtuosity, but even at his best, he is still demonstrating to us that he is somehow arrested at a level of a childand we demand that in order to listen to him, to become his willing audience, we would ask him to exercise the self-control, the discretion, the prudence of an adult. Your unwillingness to do this starts to seem as if your *inability* to do this, and this is not normal; not normal, that is, in this culture. So, even among those of us who find you amusing, even insightfuland often hilariousthere is the recognition that you are always very near to crossing the line. And to repeat: the sense one gets in reading your posts is you don't know what is being asked or demanded of you in order to even legitimize your behaviour*. You pride yourself on your infinite independence and autonomy. But this comes off as not just healthy rebelliousness and nonconformity; it comes off as dangerously and hopelessly indiscreet. So that, no matter what you say about someone, positive or negative, the impression is: this guy is assuming the right and prerogative of epater les bourgeoisshocking and offending*without really taking any responsibility for doing this*. That is, without experiencing the impact of your actions within yourself. You are not, then, Ravi, passing through what is necessary within yourself in order to say these
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[FairfieldLife] Response to Robin
Hey guys, I don't care about others but I have much love and respect for Robin so it would be nice if you can post this. Reply to Robin's post and change the subject to say Ravi's response to A Fourth and Final Open Letter to Ravi Chivukula Robin, thank you for your excellent analysis. That you are so accurate in your analysis is an understatement. But you missed one thing from my FFL posts that explains my behavior. I'm actually quite aware of my behavior, it's limitations and if you would read my posts carefully it's quite clear that I am a wounded lover, my personal self yearns for a woman, for my beloved who I believe will help heal my personal wounds and bring the necessary balance to improve my behavior and make me a complete well-rounded, balanced person. In the absence of that, you are quite right, I'm doomed to be a failure, I understand and accept that. Love, Ravi Thank you, Ravi
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi's response to A Fourth and Final Open Letter to Ravi Chivukula
Robin, thank you for your excellent analysis. That you are so accurate in your analysis is an understatement. But you missed one thing from my FFL posts that explains my behavior. I'm actually quite aware of my behavior, it's limitations and if you would read my posts carefully it's quite clear that I am a wounded lover, my personal self yearns for a woman, for my beloved who I believe will help heal my personal wounds and bring the necessary balance to improve my behavior and make me a complete well-rounded, balanced person. In the absence of that, you are quite right, I'm doomed to be a failure, I understand and accept that. Love, Ravi --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Dear Ravi Chivukula, Although it will be argued that you were silenced at FFL because of the specific things you said about certain people, the real reason why you have been sanctioned is because, just in general, you do not show any awareness of the subtle norms of Western Civilization discourse and debate and interpersonal interaction. You see, your transgressive mode (RTM) is intrinsic to your whole way of being in your life; it is not something that you construct artificially as a method of ambushing and violating and provoking those people with whom you disagree, or who you feel, according to you, are hypocrites, liars, or ignoramuses. You either refuse to insert this element of self-perspective and self-discipline into your writing, or else you are incapable, presently, of even attuning yourself to the 'good manners' of an adult who conducts 'business' (in this case posting and arguing at FFL) in the world. It is all very well to say: Well, I was just being honest; I was just calling it as I see it; I was inspired to expose dishonesty, disingenuousness, insincerity, wilful stupidity and so on. But you did this like some genius child, a child who lacks the maturity and reflective objectivity to have any idea whatsoever as to *how you were being perceived at FFL*. There was, then, Ravi, something oblivious, self-centered, impossibly impulsive about your posts. It is one thing to flout convention, but when someone, even inside perhaps a certain spontaneity and inspiration, criticizes, confronts, and excoriates other human beings, the reader (and not just the victim of your unabashed remarks) must sense that you have control over yourself*, you know what you are doing*, *you are aware of how this is playing inside the consciousness of others*. And this, Ravi, is what I think your most serious fault or limitation or flaw; and I believe in the end it is what brought you down. Even now I doubt you have any sense of shock or trauma or sadness that your posting privileges have been revokedI assume permanently. For you, it is all part of this unstoppable dance of perfect audacity, this cosmic transgressive destiny. Fine. Let's say this indeed is your mission, your calling: to go after various persons at FFL, and presumably in the world, who you feel deserve to be exposed and humiliated. But, Ravi, you are executing this inwardly felt compulsion without regard to the most basic graces that underpin and make possible the conventions of dialogue and debate in Western Civilization. Among adult human beings, that is. It isn't then just your refusal to acknowledge or conform to these implicit standards of discourse between mature human persons; it is your apparent obliviousness that such standards and conventions even exist. This, I believe, is what appalls, shocks, astonishes, and finally outrages people at FFL. This person, Ravi Chivukula, he may in some profound sense be innocent, but his innocence does not hold within itself the requisite maturity, self-knowingness, interpersonal awareness which would in some sense justify what he is saying. Ravi Chivukula is performing in front of us, and sometimes with a certain brilliance and virtuosity, but even at his best, he is still demonstrating to us that he is somehow arrested at a level of a childand we demand that in order to listen to him, to become his willing audience, we would ask him to exercise the self-control, the discretion, the prudence of an adult. Your unwillingness to do this starts to seem as if your *inability* to do this, and this is not normal; not normal, that is, in this culture. So, even among those of us who find you amusing, even insightfuland often hilariousthere is the recognition that you are always very near to crossing the line. And to repeat: the sense one gets in reading your posts is you don't know what is being asked or demanded of you in order to even legitimize your behaviour*. You pride yourself on your infinite independence and autonomy. But this comes off as not just healthy rebelliousness and nonconformity; it comes off as dangerously and hopelessly indiscreet. So that, no matter what
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Response to Robin
On Jan 10, 2012, at 7:20 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Robin, thank you for your excellent analysis. That you are so accurate in your analysis is an understatement. But you missed one thing from my FFL posts that explains my behavior. I'm actually quite aware of my behavior, it's limitations and if you would read my posts carefully it's quite clear that I am a wounded lover, my personal self yearns for a woman, for my beloved who I believe will help heal my personal wounds and bring the necessary balance to improve my behavior and make me a complete well-rounded, balanced person. In the absence of that, you are quite right, I'm doomed to be a failure, I understand and accept that. Well, you could at least apologize to the people you've hurt using digital media. Isn't really the minimum spec on all software engineers, don'tcha think? Don't be a mega-pimp Ravi.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi's response to A Fourth and Final Open Letter to Ravi Chivukula
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: Robin, thank you for your excellent analysis. That you are so accurate in your analysis is an understatement. But you missed one thing from my FFL posts that explains my behavior. I'm actually quite aware of my behavior, it's limitations and if you would read my posts carefully it's quite clear that I am a wounded lover, my personal self yearns for a woman, for my beloved who I believe will help heal my personal wounds and bring the necessary balance to improve my behavior and make me a complete well-rounded, balanced person. In the absence of that, you are quite right, I'm doomed to be a failure, I understand and accept that. Love, Ravi Disclaimer: The above post as posted by obbajeeba as from instructions to, Hey guys, (even though I may or may not be one) from http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/301523 by Ravi c/o Rick for Maskedzebra. I have no affiliation with any of these men or usernames, except for the occasional post reply. Good night. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Dear Ravi Chivukula, Although it will be argued that you were silenced at FFL because of the specific things you said about certain people, the real reason why you have been sanctioned is because, just in general, you do not show any awareness of the subtle norms of Western Civilization discourse and debate and interpersonal interaction. You see, your transgressive mode (RTM) is intrinsic to your whole way of being in your life; it is not something that you construct artificially as a method of ambushing and violating and provoking those people with whom you disagree, or who you feel, according to you, are hypocrites, liars, or ignoramuses. You either refuse to insert this element of self-perspective and self-discipline into your writing, or else you are incapable, presently, of even attuning yourself to the 'good manners' of an adult who conducts 'business' (in this case posting and arguing at FFL) in the world. It is all very well to say: Well, I was just being honest; I was just calling it as I see it; I was inspired to expose dishonesty, disingenuousness, insincerity, wilful stupidity and so on. But you did this like some genius child, a child who lacks the maturity and reflective objectivity to have any idea whatsoever as to *how you were being perceived at FFL*. There was, then, Ravi, something oblivious, self-centered, impossibly impulsive about your posts. It is one thing to flout convention, but when someone, even inside perhaps a certain spontaneity and inspiration, criticizes, confronts, and excoriates other human beings, the reader (and not just the victim of your unabashed remarks) must sense that you have control over yourself*, you know what you are doing*, *you are aware of how this is playing inside the consciousness of others*. And this, Ravi, is what I think your most serious fault or limitation or flaw; and I believe in the end it is what brought you down. Even now I doubt you have any sense of shock or trauma or sadness that your posting privileges have been revokedI assume permanently. For you, it is all part of this unstoppable dance of perfect audacity, this cosmic transgressive destiny. Fine. Let's say this indeed is your mission, your calling: to go after various persons at FFL, and presumably in the world, who you feel deserve to be exposed and humiliated. But, Ravi, you are executing this inwardly felt compulsion without regard to the most basic graces that underpin and make possible the conventions of dialogue and debate in Western Civilization. Among adult human beings, that is. It isn't then just your refusal to acknowledge or conform to these implicit standards of discourse between mature human persons; it is your apparent obliviousness that such standards and conventions even exist. This, I believe, is what appalls, shocks, astonishes, and finally outrages people at FFL. This person, Ravi Chivukula, he may in some profound sense be innocent, but his innocence does not hold within itself the requisite maturity, self-knowingness, interpersonal awareness which would in some sense justify what he is saying. Ravi Chivukula is performing in front of us, and sometimes with a certain brilliance and virtuosity, but even at his best, he is still demonstrating to us that he is somehow arrested at a level of a childand we demand that in order to listen to him, to become his willing audience, we would ask him to exercise the self-control, the discretion, the prudence of an adult. Your unwillingness to do this starts to seem as if your *inability* to do this, and this is not normal; not normal, that is, in this culture. So, even among those of us who find you amusing, even
[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Impeccable timeline, Judy. How *do* you do it? Well, when Yahoo Advanced Search is working, it isn't that difficult. Sure couldn't do it just from memory. Does take a bit of back and forth, and it does require familiarity with the search options. Well, I do it from memory. I will naturally notice more my inclusion in any of his lists then others here, and Ravi was also absent (overposting) for more than a week. AFAIK he started being degaratory to me only when putting my video in the subject line. And that was long, long time after Emily had posted her rant. That's right. But *before* I'd responded to any of your attacks on me that you made after your break. Nope, after. You came back first, and you also responded first. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@ wrote: snip In any case, if he had really just been taking cues from others, he might well have taken his anti-zarzari cue from *Emily's* post. Oh, but Emily took her cue from me, right? Well, that's not what I said, you are making it up now. That's why I said, Right? I was anticipating, sarcastically, that that's what you'd say. I get the sarcastic tone, but if I make a sarcastic remark, you demand an answer, like in the case when I said I find it funny you cite me. It is quite obvious that I say this because we are at odds, so, if you need me as a giver of arguments, and take an argument of mine (that I had explicitly given as a background information, with the note that it is not applicaple, then it is funny, right? You don't have arguments of your own) What I was doing in this post was eliminating every possibility that Ravi had attacked you because he was taking cues from me. The timeline of the posts just doesn't support that notion. That's not how I remember it and you haven't shown. Ooops, no, wait. My first response to your exchange with Barry was very mild, hardly denunciatory. Correct. It wasn't until Robin took after you big-time that I used the term slimy to refer to your post to Barry. And by that time Emily had already given the two of you a very thorough tongue-lashing, completely of her own accord. At the time I had to take an announced break, but the basis of this was your very unfortunate snipping of my original post, you know the one, where you started to lash out after my two word 'of course' with the rest of the quote being Barry's, and being entirely out of context, and also being misinterpreted by you and consequently by Emily, and which resulted into a series of mis-attributions of quotes by Barry. Emily didn't misinterpret, She did, as I did not even mention NPD. and that's not why Robin misattributed the quotes. No, that was because of the way you had snipped the posts. You are the first one to complain if people snip stuff away from your posts, right, you do it all the time. Therefore it was hard for me to believe what I saw. I claim that the snipping was deliberate and mean. Plus which, you just agreed that that post of mine was very mild. If it was lashing out, it was very restrained in that regard. It wasn't directly aggressive yet. But the snipping was not justified, it was misleading, and you justify it as something irrelevant, which is again total rubbish. You misunderstood the basis for my response to your Of course. I tried to explain it to you when you emailed me privately to object, but you didn't get it. It's not that I didn't get it. You email was from the start aggressive, which surprised me. You admitted being very angry (which you don't do here on board) It's not that I 'didn't get' it, it is just that we disagree about its validity. The whole mis-attribution started because of it, you just were winding with extremely sophistic arguments, that were no explanations at all. It should be self evident, that in any dialoque the correct quoting matters. So if people get to thing that I said something that I didn't say this way, than this is obviously wrong, dishonest if you want. Your only arguments, which are extremely sophistic were, that what I had said before would amount to the same, but that is already your judgment which you mistake for evidence. I couldn't believe you make such insidious argumentation. When people attributed wrong quotes to me, addressed ME about it and started to judge ME about it, you thought you could get away with it by claiming that their arguments where only about the subject, and would therefore relate in this
[FairfieldLife] King and Fool
by Jake Baddeley http://www.jakebaddeley.com/paintings/2007/2007_09_king_fool.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Fourth and Final Open Letter to Ravi Chivukula
But did Jesus (and Him crucified) go right into you? Which was it ... the blood-stained body or the resurrected re-appearance? Are you cheating your way into heaven or paying lash by lash? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Thank you for this, feste37. Your comment here went right into me. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Superb stuff, MZ. Beautifully written. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Dear Ravi Chivukula, Although it will be argued that you were silenced at FFL because of the specific things you said about certain people, the real reason why you have been sanctioned is because, just in general, you do not show any awareness of the subtle norms of Western Civilization discourse and debate and interpersonal interaction. You see, your transgressive mode (RTM) is intrinsic to your whole way of being in your life; it is not something that you construct artificially as a method of ambushing and violating and provoking those people with whom you disagree, or who you feel, according to you, are hypocrites, liars, or ignoramuses. You either refuse to insert this element of self-perspective and self-discipline into your writing, or else you are incapable, presently, of even attuning yourself to the 'good manners' of an adult who conducts 'business' (in this case posting and arguing at FFL) in the world. It is all very well to say: Well, I was just being honest; I was just calling it as I see it; I was inspired to expose dishonesty, disingenuousness, insincerity, wilful stupidity and so on. But you did this like some genius child, a child who lacks the maturity and reflective objectivity to have any idea whatsoever as to *how you were being perceived at FFL*. There was, then, Ravi, something oblivious, self-centered, impossibly impulsive about your posts. It is one thing to flout convention, but when someone, even inside perhaps a certain spontaneity and inspiration, criticizes, confronts, and excoriates other human beings, the reader (and not just the victim of your unabashed remarks) must sense that you have control over yourself*, you know what you are doing*, *you are aware of how this is playing inside the consciousness of others*. And this, Ravi, is what I think your most serious fault or limitation or flaw; and I believe in the end it is what brought you down. Even now I doubt you have any sense of shock or trauma or sadness that your posting privileges have been revokedI assume permanently. For you, it is all part of this unstoppable dance of perfect audacity, this cosmic transgressive destiny. Fine. Let's say this indeed is your mission, your calling: to go after various persons at FFL, and presumably in the world, who you feel deserve to be exposed and humiliated. But, Ravi, you are executing this inwardly felt compulsion without regard to the most basic graces that underpin and make possible the conventions of dialogue and debate in Western Civilization. Among adult human beings, that is. It isn't then just your refusal to acknowledge or conform to these implicit standards of discourse between mature human persons; it is your apparent obliviousness that such standards and conventions even exist. This, I believe, is what appalls, shocks, astonishes, and finally outrages people at FFL. This person, Ravi Chivukula, he may in some profound sense be innocent, but his innocence does not hold within itself the requisite maturity, self-knowingness, interpersonal awareness which would in some sense justify what he is saying. Ravi Chivukula is performing in front of us, and sometimes with a certain brilliance and virtuosity, but even at his best, he is still demonstrating to us that he is somehow arrested at a level of a childand we demand that in order to listen to him, to become his willing audience, we would ask him to exercise the self-control, the discretion, the prudence of an adult. Your unwillingness to do this starts to seem as if your *inability* to do this, and this is not normal; not normal, that is, in this culture. So, even among those of us who find you amusing, even insightfuland often hilariousthere is the recognition that you are always very near to crossing the line. And to repeat: the sense one gets in reading your posts is you don't know what is being asked or demanded of you in order to even legitimize your behaviour*. You pride yourself on your infinite independence and autonomy. But this comes off as not just healthy rebelliousness and nonconformity; it comes off as dangerously and hopelessly indiscreet. So that, no matter what you say about someone, positive or negative, the impression is: this guy is assuming the right and prerogative of epater les bourgeoisshocking and offending*without really taking any responsibility for doing this*. That is, without experiencing the impact of your actions within yourself.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Review: The Girls With The Dragon Tattoos
Noomi was excellent as Salander. Very memorable. In the Sherlock film she was much the same so I wonder if she was simply well cast as Salander and can only play herself. A lot of actors are like this they act as themselves and if that suits the film wonderful. eg John Malkovich seems always the same to me. Woody Allen, Larry David etc
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anyone tried this?
Here is an exercise that enables one to keep warm in cold weather... Vaj: Lobsang Rampa was a phony fiction writer. These are not instructions for heat yoga (caNDAlI-yoga). Candali (kundalini) is a Sanskrit translation of a Tibetan word - Tummo. Actually gtum mo is a Tibetan translation of the Sanskrit. Tummo is a Tibetan word. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tummo But, in fact, 'Heat Yoga' was popularized by Bikram Choudhury. Bikram Yoga's goal is to obtain general health through hatha yoga poses and pranyama. Different type of heat yoga Willy. Hatha Yoga with 'pranyama' is heat yoga. All the tantric hatha yogis practiced a form of pranyama and meditation. That's what Hatha Yoga is - producing the inner heat in order to burn off the accumulated karma. Bikram Choudhury believes that the heated studio helps with deeper stretching, while reducing stress and tension. You can find the detailed instructions in Bikram's 'Pranayama Series' of Hatha Yoga poses, which are very similar to the instructions of T. Lobsang Rampa! Go figure. However, the practice of Tibetan 'Tummo', is the yoga of generating 'inner' heat. This practice has been described in detail by W.Y. Evans-Wentz in his book 'Tibetan Yoga and Secret Doctrines'. Tummo is a siddha meditation technique, similar to the practice of TM. Were you ever instructed in TM? Yes, I was taught how to meditate by the Maharishi himself. I've been instructed in both TM and chandali-yoga and they're actually nothing alike. It has not beem established that you know TM or any other yoga practice. Who was your guru? In fact, TM is Kundalini Yoga. The pranyama exercises and meditation leading up to 'tummo' or the generating of the inner heat, are described by Evans-Wentz in his book 'Tibet's Great Yogi Milarepa'. Other western witnesses of this practice include the adventurer Alexandra David-Néel and Lama Anagarika Govinda, whom I cited in a previous post. Several scientific studies have been conducted that show the physiological effects of Tummo and it has been shown that this practice is very similar to TM practice - rounding with hatha yoga and deep meditation utilizing bija mantras. Read more: 'The Six Yogas of Naropa' Tsongkhapa's Commentary By Glenn H. Mullin (Translator) Snow Lion, 2005 Work cited: 'Body temperature changes during the practice of g Tum-mo yoga' By Herbert Benson and Jeffrey Hopkins et al. Nature Magazine, January 21, 1982. Nature 295. Pages 234 - 236.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Review: The Girls With The Dragon Tattoos
On 01/10/2012 06:03 PM, David wrote: Noomi was excellent as Salander. Very memorable. In the Sherlock film she was much the same so I wonder if she was simply well cast as Salander and can only play herself. A lot of actors are like this they act as themselves and if that suits the film wonderful. eg John Malkovich seems always the same to me. Woody Allen, Larry David etc I often watch movies with the commentary track and actors are mentioned who really just play themselves. Jack Nicholson is another such actor. Nice shtick but the real skill of acting is being able to play a number of different characters. One particular actress who does this well is Robin Weigert who played Calamity Jane in Deadwood and pops up as different characters in a number of films and TV and is not always recognizable. Another thing is that Harvard did a study a few years ago that said that Hollywood is wasting money on paying big fees for name actors. It fell on deaf ears of course but then the top grossing film this past weekend Devil Inside was made for less than $1 million, has no recognizable names and yet made over $34 million last weekend. A lot of stage actors look down on film acting and some film actors like to do summer stock etc to keep real acting chops up. Friends who were in an episode of the original Star Trek talked about how easy TV acting is or was back in the day because most of the time it was just tight head shots and the actor only needed to speak lines. This has changed a bit since HDTV where tight head shots can look cheap.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: Shooting the messenger is what happened to him. Maybe some words are considered foul, but why not make a rule against using some words? Really, I am sorry to see him go. For me, all I asked was that he refrain from slander. And I think he got the point. But the place is nothing without insults. And short of slander why not get challenged to the core? He was good at that. Not that his challenges were particularly challenging. Mostly a lot of name calling, which alienated many here, except those who were on his approved list, which itself was subject to revision by the moment. And figure in that he was only good for 50 posts and likely would go over that number with a little provocation, I don't see where it was necessary to boot him. And figure in that he needed us (which of course he would not admit), even though we paid somewhat a price for that, I sort of felt it was worth it. Right now, all we have is what is up to the administrator and if any members get their balls in a knot, then any rule could out anyone of us. It makes me afraid to post. All he was doing was pointing that out. He did not know a person's name using the secret anonymous username and called them out on it to harm them, he found it just like anyone can do on a search. Now if Ravi had purposely decided to ask people off of the board, what is his name, then I could see a breach in trust on FFL. It would have been best if the rules of the board, said no real names used, associated with anonymous handles, but I read people calling people all the time by their real name as the anonymous handle becomes wayside, regularly. This is something many have forgotten in the past 10 years on the Internet. He was definitely pushing buttons to make a point. Does one see Bob Price here or the Zebra man? I do not think they were afraid of Ravi. Some of the best writers, gone. I am not afraid of Ravi and I don't even know him. I would trust him with my kids, regardless of all the uproar trying to make him appear mentally ill on a message board. If the excitement is removed from FFL, I guess it will still be a good place to plug in to find past friends and chat with them about their experiences with dealing with life and what comes afterward. Welcome back! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Hey, Emily, Judy, Raunchy, It appears all the dudes have gone away this evening. hahaha Look, no post from dudes. See? Check the time and lets count. We rule! We own them! God loves us! Yay for Venus transiting Aquarius! Yay! We won! Let's meet for tea sometime soon, okay? Oh, yeah, Susan too. Funny Obba! But maybe in all this, you should consider, that we didn't leave because we are cowards (oh the aggressiveness of it!), but because some of us simply live in different time zones. IOW, when Judy is just about to warm up, it's already past midnight here! Also Obba, I found your words last week very encouraging, but 10 min per day don't work for me, unfortunately I am a slow typer, and foreigner at that, so some of the more juicy words (usually signifying emotion, or moralistic POV's) I have to look up. And regarding some of the people here, it's not enough to just post in a straight forward way, you have to study a whole metaphysical system to even be able to converse with them! (and that's not a put down!) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Great rules! Maybe if these go across the board, everything will be alright! I once had the pissing submarines! You put them in the toilet and sink them. Potty target. Good link. Could work. For some reason, I think we need some adult diapers here too. Ultra protection. Us women stay out of it ; ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIaORknS1Dk --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Obbajeeba, you're quite right. Indiscriminate pissing on FFLife needs to be more accurate. Let's give the dudes something to aim for. How about a pissing contest? Pissing contest rules: 1. Dudes only. 2. Submit qualifying scores: time, distance, marksmanship. 3. Unacceptable targets: women and children. 4. Acceptable targets: trees, fire hydrants and each other. Training equipment: http://pottytarget.com/products/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: She is awesome even if she does not like Ron Paul. ; ) That does not stop me from seeing her value and reason and respect. : ) Raunchy too. : ) Not like some dudes on this forum who piss the spot with complete teeth
[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: I guess you all realize by now that Ravi has been unsubscribed. I don't have the time to follow these antics, but several people whom I respect emailed me, unbeknownst to each other, and expressed their concern not only for his violation of FFL guidelines, but for his sanity. So we nuked him. So do we now all pat ourselves on the back? Not a very compassionate phrase- we nuked him. I admit, I don't mind not coming under his constant attacks, but short of continued slander, I can't really see a grounds for booting someone off.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Shooting the messenger is what happened to him. Maybe some words are considered foul, but why not make a rule against using some words? Really, I am sorry to see him go. For me, all I asked was that he refrain from slander. And I think he got the point. But the place is nothing without insults. And short of slander why not get challenged to the core? He was good at that. Not that his challenges were particularly challenging. Mostly a lot of name calling, which alienated many here, except those who were on his approved list, which itself was subject to revision by the moment. And figure in that he was only good for 50 posts and likely would go over that number with a little provocation, I don't see where it was necessary to boot him. And figure in that he needed us (which of course he would not admit), even though we paid somewhat a price for that, I sort of felt it was worth it. Right now, all we have is what is up to the administrator and if any members get their balls in a knot, then any rule could out anyone of us. It makes me afraid to post. All he was doing was pointing that out. He did not know a person's name using the secret anonymous username and called them out on it to harm them, he found it just like anyone can do on a search. Steve, no matter what Rick does he isn't going to please everyone. It's probably why he stays out of our business as much as possible. I recall that you advocated for a timeout for Ravi's foul over the top rant at me. By the way, thanks for standing up for me. IMO you got more flack for that than you deserved, so thank you. At the time I thought only porn could get you the boot so I said Ravi shouldn't be censored. I figured he would still launch rants from time to time, so I decided I'd just stay out of his way. I'm sorry that Rick nuked him. At this juncture, I think a timeout, as you previously suggested, would have been a more appropriate action. After Ravi launched a full bore rant at me for jerking his chain, Bob jump on me for stuff I said to Robin about Ravi, then I had to deal with feelings of confusion and betrayal about whether Ravi's melt down was a fake, then a bunch of apologies and recriminations ensued. I gotta say, I have never felt so emotionally drained on FFLife. It makes me afraid to post is a bit hyperbolic. We have plenty of button pushers who could use a time out, but you aren't one of them. Ravi was in a class by himself. I believe he took Robin's beautiful post to heart. Maybe he could have learned something from his mistakes if Rick had had a three strikes [timeouts] and you're out policy, perhaps a warning prohibiting gratuitous abuse. Now we'll never know. I'll miss the motherfucker. Now if Ravi had purposely decided to ask people off of the board, what is his name, then I could see a breach in trust on FFL. It would have been best if the rules of the board, said no real names used, associated with anonymous handles, but I read people calling people all the time by their real name as the anonymous handle becomes wayside, regularly. This is something many have forgotten in the past 10 years on the Internet. He was definitely pushing buttons to make a point. Does one see Bob Price here or the Zebra man? I do not think they were afraid of Ravi. Some of the best writers, gone. I am not afraid of Ravi and I don't even know him. I would trust him with my kids, regardless of all the uproar trying to make him appear mentally ill on a message board. If the excitement is removed from FFL, I guess it will still be a good place to plug in to find past friends and chat with them about their experiences with dealing with life and what comes afterward. Welcome back! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Hey, Emily, Judy, Raunchy, It appears all the dudes have gone away this evening. hahaha Look, no post from dudes. See? Check the time and lets count. We rule! We own them! God loves us! Yay for Venus transiting Aquarius! Yay! We won! Let's meet for tea sometime soon, okay? Oh, yeah, Susan too. Funny Obba! But maybe in all this, you should consider, that we didn't leave because we are cowards (oh the aggressiveness of it!), but because some of us simply live in different time zones. IOW, when Judy is just about to warm up, it's already past midnight here! Also Obba, I found your words last week very encouraging, but 10 min per day don't work for me, unfortunately I am a slow typer, and foreigner at that, so some of the more juicy words (usually signifying emotion, or moralistic POV's) I have
[FairfieldLife] Re: Review: The Girls With The Dragon Tattoos
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, David fiskedavid@... wrote: Noomi was excellent as Salander. Very memorable. In the Sherlock film she was much the same so I wonder if she was simply well cast as Salander and can only play herself. A lot of actors are like this they act as themselves and if that suits the film wonderful. eg John Malkovich seems always the same to me. Woody Allen, Larry David etc Noomi Rapace was wasted in the Sherlock Holmes film, but I assumed that the reason for this is that Guy Ritchie is an idiot. You don't cast a talented actress for her cheekbones and then make use of her as if cheekbones are all she's got to give. :-) It's possible she won't turn out to be as versatile an actress as some hoped, but I wouldn't judge based on how she was utilized by Guy Ritchie. He has problems getting decent performances from people like Jude Law and Robert Downey Jr., much less her.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anyone tried this?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: mahaa-snepa Lobsang Rampa was a phony fiction writer. These are not instructions for heat yoga (caNDAlI-yoga). That word 'caNDAlI' (caNDaalii; ~~chun-duh-lee) is interesting. Its root seems to be 'caNDa', which according to Monier-Williams *probably* comes from 'candra' (shining, bright, lovely; moon; so, a bit playfully, it can be thought of as having a connection with 'soma' which also means, amongst other stuff, 'moon'[sic!]). According to Macdonell, 'caNDa' means for instance 'burning, violent'. According to M-W, caNDaala is 'man of the lowest stratum of society', and furthermore, offspring of a shuudra man and a braahman woman. The form 'caNDaalii' is a feminine gender form (nom. sing.) of the word 'caNDaala', meaning 'a caNDaala woman'. In the context of yoga, 'caNDaalii' fairly probably refers to heat, but that meaning we couldn't find in any of the dictionaries online... PS. Let's let the fancy flow: so, in Sanskrit 'candra' means 'lovely' and 'moon', etc; 'soma' means 'moon', etc; in Finnish 'soma' means 'cute, lovely'. The only difference between Finnish 'soma' and Sanskrit 'soma' is that in the latter the o-sound is long: ~ saw-muh, because in Sanskrit, the o-sound represents the former diphthong 'au' (~ as in 'how'; cf. om, aum). LoL!
