[FairfieldLife] Italianizing American cars!

2012-02-13 Thread cardemaister

Some famous Italian cars:

Ferrari, Bugatti, Lamborghini, Maserati, Alfa Romeo...

It would seem quite easy to italianize American cars,
and perhaps add some extra value to them:

Fordi, Chevroleti, Buicki, Cadillacki, Dodgi, Hummeri,
Jeepi, Lincolni, Pontiacki...






[FairfieldLife] OM: kuurma-naaDii and vasomotor rhinitis!

2012-02-13 Thread cardemaister

Just learned this, from Wiki:

Vasomotor rhinitis
Non-allergic rhinitis refers to runny nose that is not due to allergy. 
Non-allergic rhinitis can be classified as either non-inflammatory or 
inflammatory rhinitis. One very common type of non-inflammatory, non-allergic 
rhinitis that is sometimes confused with allergy is called vasomotor 
rhinitis,[11] in which certain non-allergic triggers such as smells, fumes, 
smoke, dusts, and temperature changes, cause rhinitis. There is still much to 
be learned about this entity, but it is thought that these non-allergic 
triggers cause dilation of the blood vessels in the lining of the nose, which 
results in swelling, and drainage. Vasomotor rhinitis can coexist with allergic 
rhinitis, and this is called mixed rhinitis. (Middleton's Allergy Principles 
and Practice, seventh edition.) The pathology of vasomotor rhinitis appears to 
involve neurogenic inflammation[12] and is as yet not very well understood. 
Vasomotor rhinitis appears to be significantly more common in women than men, 
leading some researchers to believe that hormones play a role. In general, age 
of onset occurs after 20 years of age, in contrast to allergic rhinitis which 
can be developed at any age. Individuals suffering from vasomotor rhinitis 
typically experience symptoms year-round, though symptoms may be exacerbated in 
the spring and autumn when rapid weather changes are more common.[13] An 
estimated 17 million United States citizens have vasomotor rhinitis. The 
antihistamines azelastine and olopatadine, applied as nasal sprays, may both be 
effective for vasomotor rhinitis.[14][15] Fluticasone propionate or budesonide 
(both are steroids) in nostril spray form may also be used for symptomatic 
treatment.

-

Now I realized I've had *that* kind of rhinitis for decades
now, prolly not (merely?) allergic rhinitis!

At least it would seem to make more sense why the kuurma-naaDii -siddhi (#5 in 
my set[1]) seems to alleviate my symptoms considerably. (My rhinitis may be a 
combination of allergic and vasomotor, because the symptoms are way more bad 
inside.)

1. kuurma-naaDyaaM [locative sing. of 'naaDii'] sthairyam.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Group Use

2012-02-13 Thread turquoiseb
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@...
wrote:

 Hey Buck, what's the subject?
 http://youtu.be/7SB16il97yw http://youtu.be/7SB16il97yw

I think the subject should be Have you found Jesus? And there is a
test to pass before you can post there -- if it takes you more than a
second to laugh at the test cartoon below, you're not worthy.  :-)

 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote:
 
  I don't blame you!!
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
  
   Off Topic,  I am thinking of starting a group as a forum for a
different subject and different group of people entirely.
  
  
   How do you folks see the difference between Yahoo groups and
Google groups as for forums hosting/facilitating discussion?  How is
Google groups different from Yahoo groups to use??
  
   I don't have much experience with Google groups.  I've never
really used google's groups much.
  
   Thanks in advance,
   -Buck
  
   you can e-mail me off this list at dhamiltony2k5 at yahoo.com
  
 




[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread wgm4u


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:


 We can live with the deficit, even a higher deficit, for
 the time being. Not forever, obviously, but long enough
 to get the economy back in shape.

The above is the Achilles heel in you argument, we've gone to that well 
(borrowing, taxing and spending) already once too often, the interest on the 
debt alone is killing us. Time to turn the tide and let businesses know what's 
coming their way. Government isn't the engine of the economy the private sector 
is.

If not NOW, Judy, then WHEN? Obama's stimulus is/was a failure, and you want 
more? pretty dangerous I'd say. The dollar will collapse first, your argument 
is nothing but, just a little bit more, dream on! FWIW.IMO.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread wgm4u


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote:

 The US has to improve its private business sector growing again.  This will 
 create the necessary tax base for the government tax income.  It's also 
 necessary to reduce the government spending to control the deficit and the 
 government longterm debt.
 
 This plan requires a concerted effort between the two major parties to reduce 
 the government debt.  It will take about 10 years or more to reduce the 
 government debt to a manageable level.  So, one president will not be able to 
 fix the problem.
 
 It would take Congress to pass a legislation to reduce the national debt.  
 That means, all the politicians will have to cooperate in a government 
 reduction program and a business stimulus package over many years to solve 
 the problem.
 
 The US has the income potential, know-how, capability, industries, and 
 workforce to get the job done.  Our leaders should take action now.  If they 
 don't, vote them out and replace them with people who can do the job.
 
 JR  


Right on JR, but I don't think our resident liberal, Judy, would agree! I don't 
know what her views are on gay-marriage but I could probably guess. Liberals 
don't have a problem with anal intercourse and in fact, indirectly encourage 
it, they even call it 'love'.



[FairfieldLife] Ascent Into Dvapara by The Aris

2012-02-13 Thread obbajeeba
http://thearis.bandcamp.com/



[FairfieldLife] Review: Holy Flying Circus

2012-02-13 Thread turquoiseb
OK, for all you Monty Python fans and persecutors of organized religion
out there, here is one to warm the cockles of your heart. Trolling the
torrentverse, I stumbled upon a film called Holy Flying Circus. Never
having heard of it before, and hoping beyond hope for the best, I looked
it up on the IMDB. Happy happy joy joy. I'm waiting for it to download
now, but so sure I'm going to love it that I'm starting this review
before actually watching it.

The premise is tremendous. Many of us forget how weird the world was
back in 1979, when Monty Python's The Life Of Brian was first
released. We forget that its subject matter -- a comedy about Jesus --
could be as controversial as it was. The film, as it turns out, was
picketed and banned and hotly debated. One ban against it in Ireland was
only lifted ten years ago. Shortly before the controversy had really hit
the fan, not knowing what the reaction to the film might be, Michael
Palin and John Cleese went on the BBC to talk about the upcoming film,
and then debate broadcaster and noted Christian Malcolm Muggeridge and
Mervyn Stockwood (the then Bishop of Southwark) about whether the film
was blasphemous or not. It's a classic of both comedy history and
religious history, and I have provided a link to it on YouTube at the
end.

Anyway, what Holy Flying Circus is is a re-imagining of this debate,
and the conversations among the Monty Python team that led up to it.
Actors play the Pythons. Here's all I know about the movie so far, three
clips gleaned from YouTube:

Palin and Cleese Arrive at the BBC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78p32OJvaKQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78p32OJvaKQ

Being Offensive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfnYJdT9fAo
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfnYJdT9fAo
The Fight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8UjASPt1yc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8UjASPt1yc

Now I'll watch the movie...

 insert appropriate interval of time here, simulated 

First, writer Tony Roche and director Owen Harris totally GET Monty
Python. Their use of both language and visuals are spot-on from the
opening scene and the rolling text at the beginning. If you are a MP
fan, you know even at that point that you are in good hands with this
film.

The actors do a great job capturing the mannerisms of the Pythons and
other well-known British figures. You don't know any of them, except
perhaps Steven Fry in the role of God, but they all do a jolly job IMO.
In a way, this film is remarkably like the comeback episode of Monty
Python's Flying Circus that we fans always wanted, but that never
happened. Tony Roche *really* did his homework. This is a fun movie,
*and* like The Life Of Brian itself, one with something to say.

One warning: if you have a history of becoming mightily offended by
either bad language (a list of banned words is actually read aloud at
one point) or making fun of speech impediments such as stammering or
Tourette's Syndrome, you might find things in this film to be offended
by. If so, tough bollocks. This is my review. If you want to protest and
have a place to spout off your opinions, write your own review.

Finally, here's the actual 1979 BBC Debate (in four parts). It is almost
shocking how offended by the film Malcolm Muggeridge and the Bishop were
and how NASTY they chose to be to John Cleese and Michael Palin. Good
one-liners are spouted on all sides, but it seems obvious to me that the
Pythons actually *understand* the nature of humor and its proximity to
Godliness and their two debate opponents do not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ni559bHXDg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ni559bHXDg

I think this debate, as I suggested before, is a classic of the history
of religion and its oppression of any who dare to make fun of religion.
It's VERY much like a modern-day conversation on Fairfield Life when
someone pokes fun at Maharishi or TM or some idea that TMers hold dear.
I'm thinking that in our FFL reenactments of this debate, Curtis and I
play the Pythons. You can decide for yourselves which FFL regulars the
Bishop and Malcolm Muggeridge remind you of. :-)




[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u anitaoaks4u@... wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  We can live with the deficit, even a higher deficit, for
  the time being. Not forever, obviously, but long enough
  to get the economy back in shape.
 
 The above is the Achilles heel in you argument, we've gone
 to that well (borrowing, taxing and spending) already once
 too often,

When we didn't need to, perhaps. This time we need to.

 the interest on the debt alone is killing us.

No, it's not. We can live with it awhile longer. It isn't
an emergency. Unemployment, lack of demand, and income
inequality are the emergency. Once we get a handle on
those three interrelated problems, we'll be in a position
to deal with the deficit.

 Time to turn the tide and let businesses know what's 
 coming their way.

Businesses' biggest complaint is not uncertainty but
lack of demand.

 Government isn't the engine of the economy the private
 sector is.

Which is why we have to increase demand. Businesses 
can't do that when people's pockets are empty.

 If not NOW, Judy, then WHEN? Obama's stimulus is/was a
 failure, and you want more?

Well, it wasn't a failure by any means, of course, it just
wasn't big enough to turn the tide.


 pretty dangerous I'd say. The dollar will collapse first, your argument is 
nothing but, just a little bit more, dream on! FWIW.IMO.





[FairfieldLife] Point Of View

2012-02-13 Thread turquoiseb

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread Richard J. Williams


Bhairitu:
 And we can't have meaningless make 
 work jobs just to employ people.

Not sure how you're going to run a hospital 
with 200 people! The problem now is the high 
cost of gasoline.

Chevron
4150 Redwood Rd  Mountain Blvd
$3.96
http://tinyurl.com/6rrlvsg

You are going to have to continue to pay high 
dollar for your foreign oil because you didn't 
support drilling in the U.S. or offshore.

And, you simply don't have the refining 
capacity out in California. That's going to 
prevent any small businesses from growing or 
getting started out there, fer sure.

My solution is to drill for more oil and get 
it to the refinery as soon as possible so 
people can have cheap gasoline to get to work 
at their small or large business job.

In fact, I told you about this years ago! 

Classic oil-shock + housing development 
arrested + financial crisis = Great Recession.

The Atlantic:
http://tinyurl.com/7w9u6vp



[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread Richard J. Williams


  And what short sighted ideas are those, Billy?
 
Buck:
 How about off-line, off-list between you.  Take 
 it outside!  What's this got to do with FFL? 

The last time I checked, 'small business' was just
about the only engine of the local economy in 
Fairfield, IA. Correct me if I'm wrong, Buck.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread wgm4u
Obama's 'green energy' fiascoes have severely impacted the economy, we may 
NEVER recover if the greenies get their way! But they don't care...scary!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote:

 
 
 Bhairitu:
  And we can't have meaningless make 
  work jobs just to employ people.
 
 Not sure how you're going to run a hospital 
 with 200 people! The problem now is the high 
 cost of gasoline.
 
 Chevron
 4150 Redwood Rd  Mountain Blvd
 $3.96
 http://tinyurl.com/6rrlvsg
 
 You are going to have to continue to pay high 
 dollar for your foreign oil because you didn't 
 support drilling in the U.S. or offshore.
 
 And, you simply don't have the refining 
 capacity out in California. That's going to 
 prevent any small businesses from growing or 
 getting started out there, fer sure.
 
 My solution is to drill for more oil and get 
 it to the refinery as soon as possible so 
 people can have cheap gasoline to get to work 
 at their small or large business job.
 
 In fact, I told you about this years ago! 
 
 Classic oil-shock + housing development 
 arrested + financial crisis = Great Recession.
 
 The Atlantic:
 http://tinyurl.com/7w9u6vp





[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread raunchydog


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote:

 
 
 Bhairitu:
  And we can't have meaningless make 
  work jobs just to employ people.
 
 Not sure how you're going to run a hospital 
 with 200 people! The problem now is the high 
 cost of gasoline.
 
 Chevron
 4150 Redwood Rd  Mountain Blvd
 $3.96
 http://tinyurl.com/6rrlvsg
 
 You are going to have to continue to pay high 
 dollar for your foreign oil because you didn't 
 support drilling in the U.S. or offshore.
 
 And, you simply don't have the refining 
 capacity out in California. That's going to 
 prevent any small businesses from growing or 
 getting started out there, fer sure.
 
 My solution is to drill for more oil and get 
 it to the refinery as soon as possible so 
 people can have cheap gasoline to get to work 
 at their small or large business job.
 
 In fact, I told you about this years ago! 
 
 Classic oil-shock + housing development 
 arrested + financial crisis = Great Recession.
 
 The Atlantic:
 http://tinyurl.com/7w9u6vp


1920 1,073,242,064
1940 1,885,861,306
1960 3,035,214,452
1980 4,474,418,280
2000 6,041,591,364
Now..6,944,238,500

http://galen.metapath.org/popclk.html



[FairfieldLife] Re: Group Use

2012-02-13 Thread Richard J. Williams
Buck:
 What a bunch of boneless chickens...

You need to get out more, Buck - I've posted over
5,000 messages to Google Groups (Usenet) in the
past ten years. Where were you when I needed you?

Go figure.

Usenet/archives.htm http://www.rwilliams.us/archives.htm

 I'm trying to do a focus group kind of question
 here.  If i form a new group, should it be with
 Yahoo or Google groups. Why?

You are cordially invited to post your questions
to Usenet - alt.meditation.transcendental - a friendly
place to dialog about the mechanics of consciousness -
no rules, no posting limits. LoL!

http://tinyurl.com/6nrkpvo http://tinyurl.com/6nrkpvo

Some people just feel better when they have someone
to talk to!



[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread marekreavis


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote:

 My solution is to drill for more oil and get 
 it to the refinery as soon as possible so 
 people can have cheap gasoline to get to work 
 at their small or large business job.
 
 In fact, I told you about this years ago! 
 
///

Oil is a fungible commodity sold on the world market with prices set by the 
free market. US oil is sold on the world market like any other country's oil. 
Oil leases granted by the government to big oil companies means only that the 
government shares the revenue of the sale of that oil with those companies. It 
doesn't mean that somehow that oil and it's derivatives stay in the domestic 
market, or is sold at some sort of discount to locals.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=can-offshore-drilling-make-us-independent

So are promises of U.S. oil independence real—or rhetoric? The issue is not 
whether the U.S. can significantly reduce its reliance on oil imports with 
domestic, offshore oil, say both Kaufman and Nathan, but whether there is 
enough that is recoverable to significantly lower the price of a barrel of oil 
on the global market.

...

Kaufman dismisses as nonsense any promises that offshore drilling could make 
the U.S. oil independent. Even if it could somehow insulate itself from the 
ups and downs of the global oil market, he notes, the U.S. would have to make a 
huge leap in domestic oil production to replace what it buys from overseas.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread wgm4u


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@ wrote:
 
  My solution is to drill for more oil and get 
  it to the refinery as soon as possible so 
  people can have cheap gasoline to get to work 
  at their small or large business job.
  
  In fact, I told you about this years ago! 
  
 ///
 
 Oil is a fungible commodity sold on the world market with prices set by the 
 free market. US oil is sold on the world market like any other country's 
 oil. Oil leases granted by the government to big oil companies means only 
 that the government shares the revenue of the sale of that oil with those 
 companies. It doesn't mean that somehow that oil and it's derivatives stay in 
 the domestic market, or is sold at some sort of discount to locals.
 
 http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=can-offshore-drilling-make-us-independent
 
 So are promises of U.S. oil independence real—or rhetoric? The issue is not 
 whether the U.S. can significantly reduce its reliance on oil imports with 
 domestic, offshore oil, say both Kaufman and Nathan, but whether there is 
 enough that is recoverable to significantly lower the price of a barrel of 
 oil on the global market.
 
 ...
 
 Kaufman dismisses as nonsense any promises that offshore drilling could 
 make the U.S. oil independent. Even if it could somehow insulate itself 
 from the ups and downs of the global oil market, he notes, the U.S. would 
 have to make a huge leap in domestic oil production to replace what it buys 
 from overseas.


Moreover, oil is an evil, dirty product, we should just kill all domestic oil 
production and go with Solar and Wind..it's so simple even Rick could figure it 
out! So what if Grandma freezes to death next winter, it's a small price to 
pay, (and hey, we get rid of grandma too).



[FairfieldLife] Re: You'll ditch yer iPhone??

2012-02-13 Thread Richard J. Williams
cardemaister:
 You'll ditch yer iPhone??

All it takes to get a Nokia Lumina 800, with the WP7.5 port with a
Carl Zeiss lens


  http://tinyurl.com/7sxl6hd


and a pre-paid month-to-month subscription and micro-Sim, is just a
short walk to your T-Mobile store!

HELSINKI -- Finland's Nokia Corp., the world's largest handset maker
by unit shipments, is no longer in the danger zone it was in a year
ago...

MarketWatch:
http://tinyurl.com/7sxl6hd http://tinyurl.com/7sxl6hd

Nokia Lumia 800 Review:
http://tinyurl.com/6o7qlqa http://tinyurl.com/6o7qlqa




[FairfieldLife] If you were God, who would you rather have a beer with?

2012-02-13 Thread turquoiseb
[ Those of you who already are God, please excuse my 
use of the hypothetical in posing this question. ]

Would You rather sit down over a cold brew with a guy 
or gal who could look at You and Your Creation and 
laugh at it all, or someone who felt compelled to 
Take It All Seriously? 

My kinda God would want to hang with the laughers.

It has always seemed absurd to suppose that a god 
would choose for his companions, during all eternity, 
the dear souls whose highest and only ambition is 
to obey.
- Robert Green Ingersoll





[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread raunchydog
Maybe you should stop listening to right-wing pundits on radio and TV get some 
factual information. The oligarchs have brainwashed you into believing you 
should cut your own social safety net, and pay zero taxes while they cash in on 
the Wall Street thievery that crashed the economy.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/
 
A Dark Age of Macroeconomics
A History Lesson for Allan Meltzer
America's Chinese Disease
China's Water Pistol
Core Logic
Currency Wars and the Impossible Trinity
IS-LMentary
Japan 1998
Liquidity Preference, Loanable Funds, and Niall Ferguson

Macro Policy In a Liquidity Trap
More on Friedman and Japan
Myths of Austerity
Optimal Fiscal Policy In a Liquidity Trap
Sam, Janet, and Fiscal Policy
Self-Defeating Austerity
The Doctrine of Immaculate Transfer
The Humbling of the Fed
The Instability of Moderation

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u anitaoaks4u@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
 
  We can live with the deficit, even a higher deficit, for
  the time being. Not forever, obviously, but long enough
  to get the economy back in shape.
 
 The above is the Achilles heel in you argument, we've gone to that well 
 (borrowing, taxing and spending) already once too often, the interest on the 
 debt alone is killing us. Time to turn the tide and let businesses know 
 what's coming their way. Government isn't the engine of the economy the 
 private sector is.
 
 If not NOW, Judy, then WHEN? Obama's stimulus is/was a failure, and you 
 want more? pretty dangerous I'd say. The dollar will collapse first, your 
 argument is nothing but, just a little bit more, dream on! FWIW.IMO.





[FairfieldLife] Re: If you were God, who would you rather have a beer with?

2012-02-13 Thread wgm4u


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 [ Those of you who already are God, please excuse my 
 use of the hypothetical in posing this question. ]
 
 Would You rather sit down over a cold brew with a guy 
 or gal who could look at You and Your Creation and 
 laugh at it all, or someone who felt compelled to 
 Take It All Seriously? 
 
 My kinda God would want to hang with the laughers.
 
 It has always seemed absurd to suppose that a god 
 would choose for his companions, during all eternity, 
 the dear souls whose highest and only ambition is 
 to obey.
 - Robert Green Ingersoll

After you wake up from a dream, you laugh, but when you're IN the dream it's a 
serious matter. So it all depends on your perspective, Life is a waking 
dream, Charlie Lutes.







Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread Bhairitu
On 02/13/2012 08:20 AM, wgm4u wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavisreavismarek@...  wrote:


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williamsrichard@  wrote:

 My solution is to drill for more oil and get
 it to the refinery as soon as possible so
 people can have cheap gasoline to get to work
 at their small or large business job.

 In fact, I told you about this years ago!

 ///

 Oil is a fungible commodity sold on the world market with prices set by the 
 free market. US oil is sold on the world market like any other country's 
 oil. Oil leases granted by the government to big oil companies means only 
 that the government shares the revenue of the sale of that oil with those 
 companies. It doesn't mean that somehow that oil and it's derivatives stay 
 in the domestic market, or is sold at some sort of discount to locals.

 http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=can-offshore-drilling-make-us-independent

 So are promises of U.S. oil independence real—or rhetoric? The issue is not 
 whether the U.S. can significantly reduce its reliance on oil imports with 
 domestic, offshore oil, say both Kaufman and Nathan, but whether there is 
 enough that is recoverable to significantly lower the price of a barrel of 
 oil on the global market.

 ...

 Kaufman dismisses as nonsense any promises that offshore drilling could 
 make the U.S. oil independent. Even if it could somehow insulate itself 
 from the ups and downs of the global oil market, he notes, the U.S. would 
 have to make a huge leap in domestic oil production to replace what it buys 
 from overseas.

 Moreover, oil is an evil, dirty product, we should just kill all domestic oil 
 production and go with Solar and Wind..it's so simple even Rick could figure 
 it out! So what if Grandma freezes to death next winter, it's a small price 
 to pay, (and hey, we get rid of grandma too).

But you just said:

Obama's 'green energy' fiascoes have severely impacted the economy, we may 
NEVER recover if the greenies get their way! But they don't care...scary!









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread marekreavis
The key words in your statement were so people can have cheap gasoline. My 
point was your solution to provide cheap gasoline is no solution at all. 

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote:

 
 
   My solution is to drill for more oil and get
   it to the refinery as soon as possible so
   people can have cheap gasoline to get to work
   at their small or large business job.
  
 Marek:
  Kaufman dismisses as nonsense any promises 
  that offshore drilling could make the U.S. oil
  independent...
 
 The key words here are get it to the refinery.
 
 So let's be practical - if the price of gasoline 
 goes up, there won't be any end to the current 
 recession because people won't be able to afford 
 to drive to get to work. 
 
 In order to recover from the recession we are 
 going to have to have stable prices on oil and 
 gasoline. 
 
 The biggest benefit to the U.S. economy back in 
 2011 was the consistently declining gas price. 
 Without stable gas prices you can kiss that 
 particular one-time stimulus to the economy 
 goodbye. 
 
 After all, who needs a secure energy source 
 from a best friend when you can pay a fortune to 
 buy it from unfriendly people in faraway 
 unstable places?
 
 'Obama kills Keystone pipeline plan; Why he did it'
 Investors Business Daily:
 http://tinyurl.com/86boyyy





[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread John


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u anitaoaks4u@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
 
  The US has to improve its private business sector growing again.  This will 
  create the necessary tax base for the government tax income.  It's also 
  necessary to reduce the government spending to control the deficit and the 
  government longterm debt.
  
  This plan requires a concerted effort between the two major parties to 
  reduce the government debt.  It will take about 10 years or more to reduce 
  the government debt to a manageable level.  So, one president will not be 
  able to fix the problem.
  
  It would take Congress to pass a legislation to reduce the national debt.  
  That means, all the politicians will have to cooperate in a government 
  reduction program and a business stimulus package over many years to solve 
  the problem.
  
  The US has the income potential, know-how, capability, industries, and 
  workforce to get the job done.  Our leaders should take action now.  If 
  they don't, vote them out and replace them with people who can do the job.
  
  JR  
 
 
 Right on JR, but I don't think our resident liberal, Judy, would agree! I 
 don't know what her views are on gay-marriage but I could probably guess. 
 Liberals don't have a problem with anal intercourse and in fact, indirectly 
 encourage it, they even call it 'love'.



Billy,

Thank you.  It's not a big secret to figure this one out.  The GAO has been 
saying this to Congress for many years.  But no one is doing anything for fear 
of NOT getting reelected.

I personally don't like gay-marriage.  But, here in California, if the US 
Supreme Court forces us to enact it, I can live with it.

JR



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread Bhairitu
On 02/13/2012 07:16 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:

 Bhairitu:
 And we can't have meaningless make
 work jobs just to employ people.

 Not sure how you're going to run a hospital
 with 200 people!

More small hospitals.

 The problem now is the high
 cost of gasoline.

 Chevron
 4150 Redwood Rd  Mountain Blvd
 $3.96
 http://tinyurl.com/6rrlvsg

 You are going to have to continue to pay high
 dollar for your foreign oil because you didn't
 support drilling in the U.S. or offshore.

 And, you simply don't have the refining
 capacity out in California. That's going to
 prevent any small businesses from growing or
 getting started out there, fer sure.

 My solution is to drill for more oil and get
 it to the refinery as soon as possible so
 people can have cheap gasoline to get to work
 at their small or large business job.

 In fact, I told you about this years ago!

 Classic oil-shock + housing development
 arrested + financial crisis = Great Recession.

 The Atlantic:
 http://tinyurl.com/7w9u6vp

Big Oil just like Big Pharma wants to bankrupt you.  You've got the 
foxes running the hen house.  We knew this problem back in the 1970s and 
knew we needed to stop dependence on oil and develop new energy 
sources.  What did we do instead?  We partied on.  Whereas the Carter 
Administration put solar panel on the roof of the White House the Reagan 
administration removed them.  The rich just want to get richer and leave 
you and Billy poorer.  Wake up and smell the reality.  But no one on FFL 
will hold our breathes for that! :-D







[FairfieldLife] Re: Italianizing American cars!

2012-02-13 Thread John
Carde,

You forgot Chrysler.  An Italian car company owns this American car company 
now.  You might see the revival of the Alfa Romeo, American style.

JR


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote:

 
 Some famous Italian cars:
 
 Ferrari, Bugatti, Lamborghini, Maserati, Alfa Romeo...
 
 It would seem quite easy to italianize American cars,
 and perhaps add some extra value to them:
 
 Fordi, Chevroleti, Buicki, Cadillacki, Dodgi, Hummeri,
 Jeepi, Lincolni, Pontiacki...





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread Vaj


On Feb 13, 2012, at 12:17 PM, marekreavis wrote:

The key words in your statement were so people can have cheap  
gasoline. My point was your solution to provide cheap gasoline is  
no solution at all.



Of course the fact that the only cost benefit to consumers would take  
about 20 years and would only amount to an estimated 10-20 cents per  
gallon savings isn't ultimately that beneficial. In the interim, we'd  
likely be plagued by numerous Deepwater Horizon-type events. The only  
people who'd really benefit is Big Oil and it's investors.


Add to that toxic tack Fracking and Clean Coal (there is no such  
thing) and you can say goodbye to the America we once knew, and the  
planet.

[FairfieldLife] Polyamory ( was Too many 'goodies' for too long :-)

2012-02-13 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u anitaoaks4u@ wrote:
 
  Right on JR, but I don't think our resident liberal,
  Judy, would agree! I don't know what her views are on
  gay-marriage but I could probably guess. Liberals don't
  have a problem with anal intercourse and in fact,
  indirectly encourage it, they even call it 'love'.

 I personally don't like gay-marriage.  But, here in
 California, if the US Supreme Court forces us to enact
 it, I can live with it.

Now that you've both checked in on the idea of love,
especially that Bad kind, where a person falls in love
with someone of the opposite sex, how do you stand on
polyamory? That's where a number of people form loving
relationships -- primarily heterosexual -- but not limited
to monogamy?

I ask because today I find myself a fly on the wall in
a household full of laughing, amazing well-adjusted and
well-loved children. The four people I live with -- two
women and one child -- are being visited by one of the
women's other boyfriends and his three kids. Tomorrow
the other boyfriend of one of the other women may show
up with his two kids.

With regard to Billy's in-quotes 'love'...there is more
of it in this household than in any monogamous marriage
or relationship I have ever encountered.

However, when same-sex marriage is finally adopted as
normal all around the world, it will still take YEARS
before governments and churches will accept polyamory.
That's not hyperbole; that's just the honest truth.

It's been an interesting experiment for me, as kind of a
loner, living with a polyamorous family for the last year.
I am neither romantically nor sexually involved with
either of the two women, and Roland definitely isn't my
type. :-) I don't really ask about their relationships with
each other, or with their occasional other partners, and
I don't really care. All I know is that in my immediate
extended family these three people do as fine a job of
loving each other and their daughter Maya as I have ever
seen done on this planet. They'd all love to be legally
married. But no way. That won't happen until decades
after people can no longer remember why there was any
furor over gay marriage.

 
[https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/392198_33122144689\
5543_10230716867_1286683_73982667_n.jpg]



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Italianizing American cars!

2012-02-13 Thread Bhairitu
On 02/13/2012 09:44 AM, John wrote:
 Carde,

 You forgot Chrysler.  An Italian car company owns this American car company 
 now.  You might see the revival of the Alfa Romeo, American style.

 JR


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaisterno_reply@...  wrote:

 Some famous Italian cars:

 Ferrari, Bugatti, Lamborghini, Maserati, Alfa Romeo...

 It would seem quite easy to italianize American cars,
 and perhaps add some extra value to them:

 Fordi, Chevroleti, Buicki, Cadillacki, Dodgi, Hummeri,
 Jeepi, Lincolni, Pontiacki...

I'm beginning to see people driving new small FIATs around here.  As for 
the Alpha Romeo, back in the 1970s a friend who had one was always 
asking me to drive him some place because he didn't have time to warm up 
the engine on the Alpha.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Polyamory ( was Too many 'goodies' for too long :-)

2012-02-13 Thread wgm4u
Turq-You can love someone of either sex, even hug and kiss them, but do you 
have to have SEX with them? Isn't that for children? or was it meant for 
'entertainment'?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u anitaoaks4u@ wrote:
  
   Right on JR, but I don't think our resident liberal,
   Judy, would agree! I don't know what her views are on
   gay-marriage but I could probably guess. Liberals don't
   have a problem with anal intercourse and in fact,
   indirectly encourage it, they even call it 'love'.
 
  I personally don't like gay-marriage.  But, here in
  California, if the US Supreme Court forces us to enact
  it, I can live with it.
 
 Now that you've both checked in on the idea of love,
 especially that Bad kind, where a person falls in love
 with someone of the opposite sex, how do you stand on
 polyamory? That's where a number of people form loving
 relationships -- primarily heterosexual -- but not limited
 to monogamy?
 
 I ask because today I find myself a fly on the wall in
 a household full of laughing, amazing well-adjusted and
 well-loved children. The four people I live with -- two
 women and one child -- are being visited by one of the
 women's other boyfriends and his three kids. Tomorrow
 the other boyfriend of one of the other women may show
 up with his two kids.
 
 With regard to Billy's in-quotes 'love'...there is more
 of it in this household than in any monogamous marriage
 or relationship I have ever encountered.
 
 However, when same-sex marriage is finally adopted as
 normal all around the world, it will still take YEARS
 before governments and churches will accept polyamory.
 That's not hyperbole; that's just the honest truth.
 
 It's been an interesting experiment for me, as kind of a
 loner, living with a polyamorous family for the last year.
 I am neither romantically nor sexually involved with
 either of the two women, and Roland definitely isn't my
 type. :-) I don't really ask about their relationships with
 each other, or with their occasional other partners, and
 I don't really care. All I know is that in my immediate
 extended family these three people do as fine a job of
 loving each other and their daughter Maya as I have ever
 seen done on this planet. They'd all love to be legally
 married. But no way. That won't happen until decades
 after people can no longer remember why there was any
 furor over gay marriage.
 
  
 [https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/392198_33122144689\
 5543_10230716867_1286683_73982667_n.jpg]





[FairfieldLife] Re: Italianizing American cars!

2012-02-13 Thread John


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 On 02/13/2012 09:44 AM, John wrote:
  Carde,
 
  You forgot Chrysler.  An Italian car company owns this American car company 
  now.  You might see the revival of the Alfa Romeo, American style.
 
  JR
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaisterno_reply@  wrote:
 
  Some famous Italian cars:
 
  Ferrari, Bugatti, Lamborghini, Maserati, Alfa Romeo...
 
  It would seem quite easy to italianize American cars,
  and perhaps add some extra value to them:
 
  Fordi, Chevroleti, Buicki, Cadillacki, Dodgi, Hummeri,
  Jeepi, Lincolni, Pontiacki...
 
 I'm beginning to see people driving new small FIATs around here.  As for 
 the Alpha Romeo, back in the 1970s a friend who had one was always 
 asking me to drive him some place because he didn't have time to warm up 
 the engine on the Alpha.



Here's an old joke:  What does FIAT mean?

Fix It Again Tony!

:)



[FairfieldLife] Re: Polyamory ( was Too many 'goodies' for too long :-)

2012-02-13 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 I ask because today I find myself a fly on the wall in
 a household full of laughing, amazing well-adjusted and
 well-loved children. The four people I live with -- two
 women and one child -- are being visited by one of the
 women's other boyfriends and his three kids. Tomorrow
 the other boyfriend of one of the other women may show
 up with his two kids.

Sorry -- two women, one guy, and one child. Two of
them are the biological parents of Maya, one is the
guy's legal wife. One of the women is my ex-girlfriend,
but we haven't been romantically involved for decades, 
and have evolved into best friends. Strangely, we all
get along. I have not witnessed a single argument 
between any of the parties in the time we've known 
each other. Go figure.

Anything for a weird life. - Zaphod Beebelbrox

:-)




[FairfieldLife] Re: Polyamory ( was Too many 'goodies' for too long :-)

2012-02-13 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u anitaoaks4u@... wrote:

 Turq-You can love someone of either sex, even hug and 
 kiss them, but do you have to have SEX with them? Isn't 
 that for children? or was it meant for 'entertainment'?

*Of course* sex was meant for entertainment. Do you 
see something sinful or wrong about entertainment?  :-)

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u anitaoaks4u@ wrote:
   
Right on JR, but I don't think our resident liberal,
Judy, would agree! I don't know what her views are on
gay-marriage but I could probably guess. Liberals don't
have a problem with anal intercourse and in fact,
indirectly encourage it, they even call it 'love'.
  
   I personally don't like gay-marriage.  But, here in
   California, if the US Supreme Court forces us to enact
   it, I can live with it.
  
  Now that you've both checked in on the idea of love,
  especially that Bad kind, where a person falls in love
  with someone of the opposite sex, how do you stand on
  polyamory? That's where a number of people form loving
  relationships -- primarily heterosexual -- but not limited
  to monogamy?
  
  I ask because today I find myself a fly on the wall in
  a household full of laughing, amazing well-adjusted and
  well-loved children. The four people I live with -- two
  women and one child -- are being visited by one of the
  women's other boyfriends and his three kids. Tomorrow
  the other boyfriend of one of the other women may show
  up with his two kids.
  
  With regard to Billy's in-quotes 'love'...there is more
  of it in this household than in any monogamous marriage
  or relationship I have ever encountered.
  
  However, when same-sex marriage is finally adopted as
  normal all around the world, it will still take YEARS
  before governments and churches will accept polyamory.
  That's not hyperbole; that's just the honest truth.
  
  It's been an interesting experiment for me, as kind of a
  loner, living with a polyamorous family for the last year.
  I am neither romantically nor sexually involved with
  either of the two women, and Roland definitely isn't my
  type. :-) I don't really ask about their relationships with
  each other, or with their occasional other partners, and
  I don't really care. All I know is that in my immediate
  extended family these three people do as fine a job of
  loving each other and their daughter Maya as I have ever
  seen done on this planet. They'd all love to be legally
  married. But no way. That won't happen until decades
  after people can no longer remember why there was any
  furor over gay marriage.
  
   
  [https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/392198_33122144689\
  5543_10230716867_1286683_73982667_n.jpg]
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's final words to mankind

2012-02-13 Thread Buck


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@ wrote:
 
   One more thing - I know Dr Pete, who used to post here, was adament that 
   enlightenment was not dependent on or a function of how the brain is 
   working.  Not sure why he felt that way.  I am just remembering that.
  
 
 It is true.  Yes there's the electro-chemistry of the body and brain that 
 provides a shell for the subtle bodies that fluoresce as the faculties and 
 chakra energy fields which are the forms that the Unified Field as a soul 
 then embodies.  It is quite beautiful and elegant.  The degree to which this 
 shows itself depends on a lot of things and grace of Natural Law.  


Yep. Repent ye sinners spiritual, prepare ye the way.
Before it is too late.  Life is for the living while you have it.
There is much to do. Come to meditation.  



 -Buck







[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's final words to mankind

2012-02-13 Thread Yifu
Let me get this straight. Dr. Pete was into TM, then SBS's 
programs;...definitely brain changing techniques!  (no brainer).
...
Indonesia's President, Susilo Bamgang Yudhoyono's
 composition From Jakarto Oslo for Our World:
...
Far away from the edge of the world
I come to bring hope
Together, allied, the servants of God
We must unite to save
The Purity of our world.



:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@ wrote:
  
One more thing - I know Dr Pete, who used to post here, was adament 
that enlightenment was not dependent on or a function of how the brain 
is working.  Not sure why he felt that way.  I am just remembering that.
   
  
  It is true.  Yes there's the electro-chemistry of the body and brain that 
  provides a shell for the subtle bodies that fluoresce as the faculties and 
  chakra energy fields which are the forms that the Unified Field as a soul 
  then embodies.  It is quite beautiful and elegant.  The degree to which 
  this shows itself depends on a lot of things and grace of Natural Law.  
 
 
 Yep. Repent ye sinners spiritual, prepare ye the way.
 Before it is too late.  Life is for the living while you have it.
 There is much to do. Come to meditation.  
 
 
 
  -Buck
 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread Bhairitu
On 02/13/2012 09:52 AM, Vaj wrote:

 On Feb 13, 2012, at 12:17 PM, marekreavis wrote:

 The key words in your statement were so people can have cheap 
 gasoline. My point was your solution to provide cheap gasoline is no 
 solution at all.


 Of course the fact that the only cost benefit to consumers would take 
 about 20 years and would only amount to an estimated 10-20 cents per 
 gallon savings isn't ultimately that beneficial. In the interim, we'd 
 likely be plagued by numerous Deepwater Horizon-type events. The only 
 people who'd really benefit is Big Oil and it's investors.

 Add to that toxic tack Fracking and Clean Coal (there is no such 
 thing) and you can say goodbye to the America we once knew, and the 
 planet.

I haven't seen anyone driving one but they could be easily mistaken for 
a Toyota Yaris, but they are selling the Mitsubishi electric which I 
started seeing about 6 months ago on display at the Mits dealer.  They 
have the range and speed to be a very practical car for around here but 
the damn thing costs about as much as my Forester did.  If I had the 
spare change I might get one (or the long promised not appearing Subaru 
electric) and keep the Forester for trips.  I could put solar cells on 
the roof to charge it though this community is putting in more charging 
stations (they have some downtown).  They are parking spots where you 
put change in the meter and hook up.

This is a refinery town but I swear there are more Prius's here than 
you'll see per capita elsewhere.  I think the refinery people know 
something.  Smart cars also appeared early here. The remaining (now 
gone) Chrysler dealer in this small down sold Gem cars too but those 
things were too slow that the couple driving one down the street 
switched to a smart car later.

The oil companies put this country in a very bad fix.  Dmitri Orlov who 
grew up in Russia and saw the collapse has written that Russia was 
better set up for an economic collapse since they had mass transit and 
apartments along those transit lines that people lived in.  America 
loved the freedom of the car especially here in Kalifornia.  And here it 
is difficult to get around unless you have a car probably because many 
towns were laid out before it became a state and land parcels were 
better laid out. IOW, squirrely winding streets in a lot of places.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 I haven't seen anyone driving one but they could be easily 
 mistaken for a Toyota Yaris, but they are selling the Mitsubishi 
 electric which I started seeing about 6 months ago on display at 
 the Mits dealer. They have the range and speed to be a very 
 practical car for around here but the damn thing costs about as 
 much as my Forester did. If I had the spare change I might get 
 one (or the long promised not appearing Subaru electric) and 
 keep the Forester for trips.  I could put solar cells on the 
 roof to charge it though this community is putting in more 
 charging stations (they have some downtown).  They are parking 
 spots where you put change in the meter and hook up.

I saw my first instance of this in a movie or TV show 
recently, although I (sadly) cannot remember in which
movie or TV show I saw it. Maybe it was an episode of
The Firm that I checked out recently to see if it 
had gotten any better; it hadn't. Anyway, a female 
detective or lawyer or whatever is driving her associate 
around town trying to solve a crime, and she exits from 
a public building, unplugs her car from the charging 
station, and drives away. It just made so much sense.

 This is a refinery town but I swear there are more Prius's 
 here than you'll see per capita elsewhere.  I think the 
 refinery people know something. Smart cars also appeared 
 early here. The remaining (now gone) Chrysler dealer in 
 this small down sold Gem cars too but those things were 
 too slow that the couple driving one down the street 
 switched to a smart car later.

You know me. I drive an old Peugeot 306 diesel that 
still gets better mileage (on diesel fuel, which costs
considerably less than gasoline here in Europe) than
any of the hybrid cars on the market. Also, if the
world really does go to hell in a handbasket, my car's
diesel engine can be easily converted to run on left-
over cooking oil from McDonalds.  :-)

That said, I rarely get in my car at all. The public
transportation here in the Netherlands is on the whole
cheaper, more stress-free, and faster than driving a
car. I ride my bike far more often than I use my car.
Different strokes for different folks; different rides
for different sides of the Atlantic.  :-)




[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread Richard J. Williams


  The key words here are get it to the refinery.
  
Marek:
 The key words in your statement were so people can 
 have cheap gasoline. My point was your solution to 
 provide cheap gasoline is no solution at all. 
 
You're not making any sense - how are you going to get 
ANY gasoline if you don't get oil to the refinery?

Your solution is to NOT drill and get oil to the
refinery? Go figure.

You'd think with gas prices topping $4 and consumers 
crying uncle, Congress would be moving fast to spur 
development of a domestic oil resource so vast - 800 
billion barrels of recoverable oil shale in Colorado, 
Utah and Wyoming alone - it could eventually rival 
the oil fields of Saudi Arabia.

Read more:

'DOMESTIC ENERGY PRODUCTION -- Not a goal, apparently:'
Posted by Glenn Reynolds
Instapundit, June 09, 2008
http://tinyurl.com/5heddm



[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread Richard J. Williams


  Not sure how you're going to run a hospital
  with 200 people!
 
Bhairitu:
 More small hospitals.
 
How can 200 people run a small hospital?

 Big Oil just like Big Pharma wants to bankrupt 
 you...  

Not if you had bought some stock in Texaco.

In short, pretty much every policy that the Democrats 
have pursued for the last three decades has contributed 
to the shortage of oil, and resulting high price of 
gasoline. For the Democrats to pretend that high prices 
are the fault of the oil companies--which, unlike the 
Democrats, actually go to great lengths to bring energy 
to American consumers--is beyond hypocrisy.

Read more:

'Incoherence'
Posted by John Hindraker:
Powerline, April 2, 2007
http://tinyurl.com/567hja



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread Bhairitu
On 02/13/2012 12:56 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:

 Not sure how you're going to run a hospital
 with 200 people!

 Bhairitu:
 More small hospitals.

 How can 200 people run a small hospital?

Sounds like you need to do a road trip outside of Austin.  There are 
small hospitals in small communities.  Some with staffs of 30 or so. Or 
you could read the many articles on small hospitals on the web.  Big 
pharma wants to kill them off though.

 Big Oil just like Big Pharma wants to bankrupt
 you...

 Not if you had bought some stock in Texaco.

 In short, pretty much every policy that the Democrats
 have pursued for the last three decades has contributed
 to the shortage of oil, and resulting high price of
 gasoline. For the Democrats to pretend that high prices
 are the fault of the oil companies--which, unlike the
 Democrats, actually go to great lengths to bring energy
 to American consumers--is beyond hypocrisy.

 Read more:

 'Incoherence'
 Posted by John Hindraker:
 Powerline, April 2, 2007
 http://tinyurl.com/567hja

Yeah right, more wingnut propaganda with one dimensional thinking.  
While you're at it rent There Will Be Blood.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread marekreavis
Mr. Williams, you're obviously a smart guy, but you're making a false statement 
and writing as if you hadn't read what I had posted.

*Your* point was that workers need cheap gasoline to get to their jobs at small 
and large businesses, and that the way to get them cheap gasoline was to open 
up more areas of the country to drilling so we would have cheap gasoline from 
domestic sources.

I was not offering an alternative solution to the problem you had identified 
(i.e., not enough cheap gasoline for American workers), and I never said 
anything about not drilling. All I pointed out was that your solution wasn't 
a solution at all to the problem you identified; domestic oil (and all it's 
refined derivatives, including gasoline) aren't cheaper just because they were 
exploited from domestic sources. 

Oil is a fungible product; its price is dictated not by where it is originally 
located, but by whatever the global market for that product is at any 
particular point in time. 

When you read that sentence, immediately above, does it look like it says We 
shouldn't drill and get oil to the refinery? Is that how you read it? 

Again, you're obviously a smart guy, even if reflexively oppositional, so I 
don't get why you made that stuff up, assert that I wrote it, and then put me 
down for writing it. How does that make any sense?

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote:

 
 
   The key words here are get it to the refinery.
   
 Marek:
  The key words in your statement were so people can 
  have cheap gasoline. My point was your solution to 
  provide cheap gasoline is no solution at all. 
  
 You're not making any sense - how are you going to get 
 ANY gasoline if you don't get oil to the refinery?
 
 Your solution is to NOT drill and get oil to the
 refinery? Go figure.
 
 You'd think with gas prices topping $4 and consumers 
 crying uncle, Congress would be moving fast to spur 
 development of a domestic oil resource so vast - 800 
 billion barrels of recoverable oil shale in Colorado, 
 Utah and Wyoming alone - it could eventually rival 
 the oil fields of Saudi Arabia.
 
 Read more:
 
 'DOMESTIC ENERGY PRODUCTION -- Not a goal, apparently:'
 Posted by Glenn Reynolds
 Instapundit, June 09, 2008
 http://tinyurl.com/5heddm





[FairfieldLife] The Government Can!

2012-02-13 Thread wgm4u
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=5u03KAcEbEo



[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread Richard J. Williams
  Classic oil-shock + housing development 
  arrested + financial crisis = Great Recession.
  
raunchydog:
 http://galen.metapath.org/popclk.html

 ...the population will start decreasing before 
 the end of the 21st century.

The U.S. population climbed 9.7 percent from 2000 
to 2010, according to Census Bureau data. Five 
states - Nevada, Arizona, Texas, Utah and Idaho -- 
grew at more than twice the national pace, as 
California, the most-populous, had its smallest 
increase ever, the 
data show...

'U.S. Population Migrates for Income Boost'
Bloomberg, December 20, 2011
http://tinyurl.com/6mt988m



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Are small businesses the engine of the economy?

2012-02-13 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
While I have not been a part of this ongoing discussion, here is some 
interesting information to throw into the mix. While a government can take 
certain liberties with finance that an individual, a company, or even a state, 
the recent problems we have seen in the United States and especially Europe, do 
indicate that financial matters are less robust than we thought, and we could 
be in danger. Debt represents our promises to do what has not yet been done. 
Whose promise is truth, and whose is a lie?

DEBT UNDER BUSH AND OBAMA (2 FEBRUARY 2012)
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/02/dueling-debt-deceptions/

FISCAL FACTCHECK (15 JULY 2011)
Does Washington have a spending problem or an income problem?
http://www.factcheck.org/2011/07/fiscal-factcheck/

UNEMPLOYMENT RATE
http://factcheck.org/2012/02/whats-the-real-jobless-rate/



[FairfieldLife] Re: If you were God, who would you rather have a beer with?

2012-02-13 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 [ Those of you who already are God, please excuse my 
 use of the hypothetical in posing this question. ]
 
 Would You rather sit down over a cold brew with a guy 
 or gal who could look at You and Your Creation and 
 laugh at it all, or someone who felt compelled to 
 Take It All Seriously? 
 
 My kinda God would want to hang with the laughers.
 
 It has always seemed absurd to suppose that a god 
 would choose for his companions, during all eternity, 
 the dear souls whose highest and only ambition is 
 to obey.
 - Robert Green Ingersoll

If I were god, not only would I own all the beer, all those drinking would be 
at my disposition regardless of what they think. I would have my beer, and 
drink it all too, via these surrogates. As for the drinkers, having given them 
a short life span, I have arranged for replacements from time to time; eternity 
is for me alone, not thee. I think I would start with the MUM keg party in the 
ladies dome, all invited.




[FairfieldLife] Non-meditation

2012-02-13 Thread Buck

Non-meditation

It seems to me that many non-meditators have forgotten—or never knew—what it is 
like to suffer an unhappy collision with scientific rationality. We are open to 
good evidence and sound argument as a matter of principle, and are generally 
willing to follow wherever they may lead. Certain of us have made careers out 
of bemoaning the failure of people to adopt this same attitude. 

However, I recently stumbled upon an example of secular intransigence that may 
give readers a sense of how spiritual people feel when their methods as 
technologies are criticized. As you will see but for the rigorous research 
conducted it suggests that it is worth thinking
about. We can call the phenomenon of non-meditation the delusion. 

The unhappy truth about non-meditation has been scientifically established to a 
moral certainty: That non-meditation is bad for you. It is bad for your 
children. It is bad for your neighbors and their children. Non-meditation is 
also completely unnecessary, because in the developed world we suppose we 
invariably have better and more effective alternatives for meditation even in 
our homes. If you
are a non-meditator in the United States, Europe, Australia, or any other 
developed nation, you are most likely doing so recreationally—and the 
persistence of this habit is a major source of anti-spiritual pollution in 
cities throughout the world.


 In fact, non-meditation often contributes more harmful parameters of 
negativity particulates to the urban air than any other source.
Certainly a human life is a terrible potential to waste in non-meditation. 

-Buck in FF




Re: [FairfieldLife] Non-meditation

2012-02-13 Thread Bhairitu
On 02/13/2012 06:11 PM, Buck wrote:
 Non-meditation

 It seems to me that many non-meditators have forgotten—or never knew—what it 
 is like to suffer an unhappy collision with scientific rationality. We are 
 open to good evidence and sound argument as a matter of principle, and are 
 generally willing to follow wherever they may lead. Certain of us have made 
 careers out of bemoaning the failure of people to adopt this same attitude.

 However, I recently stumbled upon an example of secular intransigence that 
 may give readers a sense of how spiritual people feel when their methods as 
 technologies are criticized. As you will see but for the rigorous research 
 conducted it suggests that it is worth thinking
 about. We can call the phenomenon of non-meditation the delusion.

 The unhappy truth about non-meditation has been scientifically established to 
 a moral certainty: That non-meditation is bad for you. It is bad for your 
 children. It is bad for your neighbors and their children. Non-meditation is 
 also completely unnecessary, because in the developed world we suppose we 
 invariably have better and more effective alternatives for meditation even in 
 our homes. If you
 are a non-meditator in the United States, Europe, Australia, or any other 
 developed nation, you are most likely doing so recreationally—and the 
 persistence of this habit is a major source of anti-spiritual pollution in 
 cities throughout the world.


   In fact, non-meditation often contributes more harmful parameters of 
 negativity particulates to the urban air than any other source.
 Certainly a human life is a terrible potential to waste in non-meditation.

 -Buck in FF

Who are the non-meditators, Buck?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-13 Thread John
Buck,

The Red Chinese are more likely non-meditators.  Yet in material terms, they 
appear to be properous than most countries in Southeast Asia.  They've bought 
about one trillion dollars in US government bonds.  Are you saying they are 
delusional?  

JR

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:

 
 Non-meditation
 
 It seems to me that many non-meditators have forgotten—or never knew—what it 
 is like to suffer an unhappy collision with scientific rationality. We are 
 open to good evidence and sound argument as a matter of principle, and are 
 generally willing to follow wherever they may lead. Certain of us have made 
 careers out of bemoaning the failure of people to adopt this same attitude. 
 
 However, I recently stumbled upon an example of secular intransigence that 
 may give readers a sense of how spiritual people feel when their methods as 
 technologies are criticized. As you will see but for the rigorous research 
 conducted it suggests that it is worth thinking
 about. We can call the phenomenon of non-meditation the delusion. 
 
 The unhappy truth about non-meditation has been scientifically established to 
 a moral certainty: That non-meditation is bad for you. It is bad for your 
 children. It is bad for your neighbors and their children. Non-meditation is 
 also completely unnecessary, because in the developed world we suppose we 
 invariably have better and more effective alternatives for meditation even in 
 our homes. If you
 are a non-meditator in the United States, Europe, Australia, or any other 
 developed nation, you are most likely doing so recreationally—and the 
 persistence of this habit is a major source of anti-spiritual pollution in 
 cities throughout the world.
 
 
  In fact, non-meditation often contributes more harmful parameters of 
 negativity particulates to the urban air than any other source.
 Certainly a human life is a terrible potential to waste in non-meditation. 
 
 -Buck in FF





[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-13 Thread Yifu
There aren't enough active meditators on the planet to make any such 
conclusions via cause and effect. There's no evidence for the ME.
...
How ya comin' on the list of Sins?
.
What if somebody ordered some Chinese food at the Olive Garden? Is that a sin 
and would the punishment be 10 slashes with a wet noodle?
..
What if you're a Civil War Re-enactor and you come to the battle on the Union 
side wearing gray? Is that sin and what's the punishment?
 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:

 
 Non-meditation
 
 It seems to me that many non-meditators have forgotten—or never knew—what it 
 is like to suffer an unhappy collision with scientific rationality. We are 
 open to good evidence and sound argument as a matter of principle, and are 
 generally willing to follow wherever they may lead. Certain of us have made 
 careers out of bemoaning the failure of people to adopt this same attitude. 
 
 However, I recently stumbled upon an example of secular intransigence that 
 may give readers a sense of how spiritual people feel when their methods as 
 technologies are criticized. As you will see but for the rigorous research 
 conducted it suggests that it is worth thinking
 about. We can call the phenomenon of non-meditation the delusion. 
 
 The unhappy truth about non-meditation has been scientifically established to 
 a moral certainty: That non-meditation is bad for you. It is bad for your 
 children. It is bad for your neighbors and their children. Non-meditation is 
 also completely unnecessary, because in the developed world we suppose we 
 invariably have better and more effective alternatives for meditation even in 
 our homes. If you
 are a non-meditator in the United States, Europe, Australia, or any other 
 developed nation, you are most likely doing so recreationally—and the 
 persistence of this habit is a major source of anti-spiritual pollution in 
 cities throughout the world.
 
 
  In fact, non-meditation often contributes more harmful parameters of 
 negativity particulates to the urban air than any other source.
 Certainly a human life is a terrible potential to waste in non-meditation. 
 
 -Buck in FF





[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-13 Thread azgrey


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:

 
 Non-meditation
 
 It seems to me that many non-meditators have forgotten—or never knew—what it 
 is like to suffer an unhappy collision with scientific rationality. We are 
 open to good evidence and sound argument as a matter of principle, and are 
 generally willing to follow wherever they may lead. Certain of us have made 
 careers out of bemoaning the failure of people to adopt this same attitude. 
 
 However, I recently stumbled upon an example of secular intransigence that 
 may give readers a sense of how spiritual people feel when their methods as 
 technologies are criticized. As you will see but for the rigorous research 
 conducted it suggests that it is worth thinking
 about. We can call the phenomenon of non-meditation the delusion. 
 
 The unhappy truth about non-meditation has been scientifically established to 
 a moral certainty: That non-meditation is bad for you. It is bad for your 
 children. It is bad for your neighbors and their children. Non-meditation is 
 also completely unnecessary, because in the developed world we suppose we 
 invariably have better and more effective alternatives for meditation even in 
 our homes. If you
 are a non-meditator in the United States, Europe, Australia, or any other 
 developed nation, you are most likely doing so recreationally—and the 
 persistence of this habit is a major source of anti-spiritual pollution in 
 cities throughout the world.
 
 
  In fact, non-meditation often contributes more harmful parameters of 
 negativity particulates to the urban air than any other source.
 Certainly a human life is a terrible potential to waste in non-meditation. 
 
 -Buck in FF


Buck, have you decided what crops to lay-in this spring?

I hear dental floss futures are trending higher.

Your cute lil pygmy pony would look mighty nice runnin'
thru a field of dental floss bushes.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-13 Thread azgrey


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
 
  
  Non-meditation
  
  It seems to me that many non-meditators have forgotten—or never knew—what 
  it is like to suffer an unhappy collision with scientific rationality. We 
  are open to good evidence and sound argument as a matter of principle, and 
  are generally willing to follow wherever they may lead. Certain of us have 
  made careers out of bemoaning the failure of people to adopt this same 
  attitude. 
  
  However, I recently stumbled upon an example of secular intransigence that 
  may give readers a sense of how spiritual people feel when their methods as 
  technologies are criticized. As you will see but for the rigorous research 
  conducted it suggests that it is worth thinking
  about. We can call the phenomenon of non-meditation the delusion. 
  
  The unhappy truth about non-meditation has been scientifically established 
  to a moral certainty: That non-meditation is bad for you. It is bad for 
  your children. It is bad for your neighbors and their children. 
  Non-meditation is also completely unnecessary, because in the developed 
  world we suppose we invariably have better and more effective alternatives 
  for meditation even in our homes. If you
  are a non-meditator in the United States, Europe, Australia, or any other 
  developed nation, you are most likely doing so recreationally—and the 
  persistence of this habit is a major source of anti-spiritual pollution in 
  cities throughout the world.
  
  
   In fact, non-meditation often contributes more harmful parameters of 
  negativity particulates to the urban air than any other source.
  Certainly a human life is a terrible potential to waste in non-meditation. 
  
  -Buck in FF
 
 
 Buck, have you decided what crops to lay-in this spring?
 
 I hear dental floss futures are trending higher.
 
 Your cute lil pygmy pony would look mighty nice runnin'
 thru a field of dental floss bushes.



Drop the sheep Buck.

You're too good for that.

AzGrey--a conservative meditator. 



[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-13 Thread nablusoss1008


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 On 02/13/2012 06:11 PM, Buck wrote:
  Non-meditation
 
  It seems to me that many non-meditators have forgotten—or never knew—what 
  it is like to suffer an unhappy collision with scientific rationality. We 
  are open to good evidence and sound argument as a matter of principle, and 
  are generally willing to follow wherever they may lead. Certain of us have 
  made careers out of bemoaning the failure of people to adopt this same 
  attitude.
 
  However, I recently stumbled upon an example of secular intransigence that 
  may give readers a sense of how spiritual people feel when their methods as 
  technologies are criticized. As you will see but for the rigorous research 
  conducted it suggests that it is worth thinking
  about. We can call the phenomenon of non-meditation the delusion.
 
  The unhappy truth about non-meditation has been scientifically established 
  to a moral certainty: That non-meditation is bad for you. It is bad for 
  your children. It is bad for your neighbors and their children. 
  Non-meditation is also completely unnecessary, because in the developed 
  world we suppose we invariably have better and more effective alternatives 
  for meditation even in our homes. If you
  are a non-meditator in the United States, Europe, Australia, or any other 
  developed nation, you are most likely doing so recreationally—and the 
  persistence of this habit is a major source of anti-spiritual pollution in 
  cities throughout the world.
 
 
In fact, non-meditation often contributes more harmful parameters of 
  negativity particulates to the urban air than any other source.
  Certainly a human life is a terrible potential to waste in non-meditation.
 
  -Buck in FF
 
 Who are the non-meditators, Buck?

The majority here, there and everywhere. :-)