[FairfieldLife] Re: Race and the blues.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Issues concerning race and the history of the blues is one of my favorite topics, personally and professionally. Thanks for the writing prompt Nabbie. Translation: Thanks, Nabby, for providing something I can use to get back at you (by shifting the context) for insulting me. Nabbie's use of the them wannabe Negro joins a long dark history of racist terms Unless, of course, it's not a racist term. disparages not only black people, but the whole human endeavor of the arts. If we identify any form of art by the race of the person who invented it, we are denying their brilliant artistic ability to express feelings common to all races. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harlem_Renaissance If we ridicule a person who performs a style of music as being a wannabe of the race who invented the style, we are saying two things. That only the people of the race who invented it can legitimately express themselves in that art form, and that races are simultaneously shut out of certain art forms because of their race. Or maybe we are saying the person so designated isn't very good at performing that style, that they don't meet the standard established by the folks who invented it. Whether accurately or not, that seems to have been what Nabby was saying: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/338208 So how about it, Nabby, are there some white performers you would consider genuine negroes in this sense, who *do* meet the standard? Or maybe, shock horror, Nabby just doesn't like Curtis because of his opinions about Marshy and so tries to insult him whenever he can in whatever way he can. That's not an or, it's an and. Perhaps you want to quiz him about the term Hillbilly why you're about it? I don't think Curtis has ever implicitly accused Nabby of being a racist for using the term hillbilly. Perhaps I missed something? Huh? Or perhaps you read something into my post that wasn't there? Ditto.
[FairfieldLife] smRti - muisti ?
Just for fun, some rly reeely stooopid folk etymology: In Finnish, 'memory' is 'muisti', in Sanskrit it's 'smRti' Especially in southern parts of India, it seems, people tend to pronounce the 'vocalic r-sound (R)' like 'ru': smruti. Shuffling the letters, one can get for instance 'muistr', which is quite close to 'muisti', now ain't it?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Race and the blues. to Curtis and Xeno
Curtis this and previous posts made me realize that we all, even scientists, have meta beliefs about beliefs and these are the ones that at least need to be recognized. Why do they need to be recognized? Well, for sure that's another belief. It got me thinking that in Western cultures there's a deeply buried meta belief that optimal human development is always good. In the spirit of questioning ALL beliefs, I ask: is it. Is optimal human growth always good? And with that we have to ask: good for what? Xeno, what do you think? Are there meta beliefs? How can they be dealt with? And why should we even bother with that? Thank you. From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 9:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Race and the blues. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: I really appreciate what you wrote Ann. I know you have a deep appreciation for the arts and people who try to live by their art. As I'm sure you know every artist just has to follow their own inner muse. I play music the way I like it, to please my own tastes. It can only be that way for the kind of blues I play. So I am really not too vulnerable to anyone expressing something here. I have put in too much time in front of people actually listening to my music without some agenda, so I know I am not the only one who hears the music as I do. And musical taste is so personal. I would never hold it against anyone who hated my musical style. There are some I don't like. And it is the same with philosophy. I don't care if someone doesn't share my beliefs or lack of beliefs here. I seek out people who see the world differently. Good intellectual boundaries means that I can accept that we can agree to disagree about our beliefs and not feel threatened if someone thinks I am crazy for my choices. Your points wer a sensitive ones and it was very cool of you to lay it out in such detail. Thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: Or maybe, shock horror, Nabby just doesn't like Curtis because of his opinions about Marshy and so tries to insult him whenever he can in whatever way he can. Perhaps you want to quiz him about the term Hillbilly why you're about it? Very funny. Nabbie has never heard my two CDs so he is basing his opinion on a few random videos on the Web. And of course he is welcome to not liking what I do for any reason. I just objected to the racist term he used in his latest putdown so that was what my post was about. His previous insistence that I am not playing black music but instead hillbilly music showed how deeply he has thought about the whole thing. He obviously does resent that I think his whole gullibility routine concerning how crop circles are actually mating beds for bigfoot is very silly. Or is it aliens or Maitreya running around sideways on the ground like Curly in the Three Stooges? It is so hard to keep up with all his foolishness. It is funny that people think that saying they don't like your art is going to hurt an artist. As if everyone is a pop star who needs to be liked by millions for their income. I just need to be liked by the person who signs my check for my next gig or who buys my CDs. That is the freedom of Indie music. Well, I would like to say a couple of things here. I do not think that others should criticize the art of another because of something they do not like about the artist unrelated to his art. I think the mere fact of making art, and music is definitely in this category, is something that, among other things, can bring out the vulnerability of someone. I believe that if one is willing to stand up in front of a group of one or one thousand then that person has opened themselves up to those people in the very act of making their art/music. I feel that it is a very poorly-aimed punch to go after Curtis, or anyone, by targeting what they do as their passion, as their creative thrust and as their gift to the outside world. And because of the passion and the love behind your desire to make and share music you obviously put yourself out there and it gets heard. No matter how much I may agree or disagree with your position on various subjects or how we may jibe at each other I would never attack you by belittling your music, Curtis. I respect you for what you do on the streets and in your paid gigs. It is not easy. I have seen some video of you performing and you are givin' 'er. You give your body and your voice and you exude the knowledge and love you have for your genre of music. I applaud you in this. You add something good to this planet with
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Candy Crowley Oozes Sympathy for Steubenville Rapists http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/candy-crowley-oozes-sympathy-steubenville-r Two-Year-Old Onion Story Perfectly Predicted CNN's Shocking Steubenville Rape Trial Coverage http://gawker.com/5991175/this-two+year+old-onion-story-perfectly-predicted-cnns-shocking-steubenville-rape-trial-coverage http://tinyurl.com/bsss4fl
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
You are not a disciplined thinker, MJ. You just pour out anything that enters your head, and you seem obsessed with criticizing other people's behavior. I find it all very juvenile. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: tell it to the tens of thousands of people who are reviling her for her sympathy for a couple of true idiots and abusers of a passed out 16 year old girl - in true TM addle-headed fashion, you are excusing asinine behavior purely because it is behavior of a TM'er and a TM'er who has been used to tout the greatness of TM - deal with it feste - TM is no panacea and a whole bunch of these celebrities like Howard Stern, Russell Brand, and Lynch himself are, perversely excellent poster children of TM for their bad behavior because it unintentionally highlights all that is screwed up and hypocritical in the Movement, but much like those who post some trivial bull manure that is happening in Latin America as proof of Raja Luis's phenomenal success in setting up flying groups there, while ignoring the other 25 things that are gong wrong in the same geographical area, you continue to embrace fantasy as reality. From: feste37 feste37@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 9:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars  Only an idiot would use this to take a swipe at TM. Time to grow up, MJ. I watched it. She is not oozing sympathy. There's nothing wrong with what she says. She's pursuing the story, that's all. The youth of the defendants, and what will happen to them, is part of that story. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Candy Crowley Oozes Sympathy for Steubenville Rapists http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/candy-crowley-oozes-sympathy-steubenville-r Candy Crowley, proud practitioner of TM is nearly as good an example of what TM can do for folks as cussing chain smoking David Lynch
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
And what do you consider whining about the effects of a relatively light sentence handed down on two punks who abused an unconscious girl? Juvenile? Insensitive? Adding to the already atrocious attitudes about women who are raped and sexually abused and the boys will be boys attitude about their attackers? Or is it ok to express such attitudes when one is a TM Practitioner? If TM celebrities are people to be looked up to since their TM practice makes them phenomenal people, surely they should be held to even a modicum of decent behavior, I am not even suggesting a higher standard of behavior than poor non-TM'ers. Now here is a subject for discussion on FFL and I have probably posted out. From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 8:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars You are not a disciplined thinker, MJ. You just pour out anything that enters your head, and you seem obsessed with criticizing other people's behavior. I find it all very juvenile. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: tell it to the tens of thousands of people who are reviling her for her sympathy for a couple of true idiots and abusers of a passed out 16 year old girl - in true TM addle-headed fashion, you are excusing asinine behavior purely because it is behavior of a TM'er and a TM'er who has been used to tout the greatness of TM - deal with it feste - TM is no panacea and a whole bunch of these celebrities like Howard Stern, Russell Brand, and Lynch himself are, perversely excellent poster children of TM for their bad behavior because it unintentionally highlights all that is screwed up and hypocritical in the Movement, but much like those who post some trivial bull manure that is happening in Latin America as proof of Raja Luis's phenomenal success in setting up flying groups there, while ignoring the other 25 things that are gong wrong in the same geographical area, you continue to embrace fantasy as reality. From: feste37 feste37@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 9:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars  Only an idiot would use this to take a swipe at TM. Time to grow up, MJ. I watched it. She is not oozing sympathy. There's nothing wrong with what she says. She's pursuing the story, that's all. The youth of the defendants, and what will happen to them, is part of that story. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Candy Crowley Oozes Sympathy for Steubenville Rapists http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/candy-crowley-oozes-sympathy-steubenville-r Candy Crowley, proud practitioner of TM is nearly as good an example of what TM can do for folks as cussing chain smoking David Lynch
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
You should know that this guy is MMY's nephew. In India, due to their belief in reincarnation, nepotism is the norm and is usually celebrated as the proper way things get done. The first Prime Minister of India was named Jawaharlal Nehru. Coincidentally, Indira Ghandi was his granddaughter, and Rajiv Ghandi was his great-grandson. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_India#Prime_Ministers The swami named in the will to succeed Gurudev was Gurudev's nephew, it turns out. Indians just assume that their relatives are the best person for the job because the cosmos chose them for it by causing them to be born as relatives of the person in power. That said, I've heard the rumors of the nephews of MMY being bad people for years. But those same rumors say that TM doesn't work, that all the research is bogus and so on. It wouldn't be surprising if some of the rumors were true. It also wouldn't be surprising if some of the rumors were false. L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: [...] Given that perspective by people who knew him when, how did he come to run the hugely lucrative TMO India? And why didn't people speak up? (Maybe they did but we would never know). Why did the American Rajas over there put up with this crap all these years? Surely they must have seen and sensed that things were not right.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is it possible for 'aware-ness' to be an object?
It turns out that the EEG pattern of long-term TMers during TM remains the same as the EEG pattern found in short-term TMers: it's simple relaxation, no matter how long you have been doing it. Pure Consciousness is just the same pattern in its most extreme form. In every other meditation technique with published research, you see a shift away from simple relaxation towards something different, as you become more experienced. In other words, I wouldn't trust the words of a non-TM teacher with regards to your TM practice. They literally don't understand where you are at and can only attempt to transform your practice into their practice. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: I would suggest forgetting whatever you learned with TM and just become aware of the one having the thought - of course its possible - it who you really are From: sound of stillness soundofstillness@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 2:03 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Is it possible for 'aware-ness' to be an object? Â I was listening to a meditation teacher (not a TM teacher) who when asked about thoughts, gave the instruction . . . Become aware of the one who is having the thoughts. Is it possible to become 'aware' of the one who is having a thought? Is it possible for 'aware-ness' to be an object? If not, if 'aware-ness' is always the 'subject', then what is the distinction between the instruction the meditation teacher gave and 'awareness becoming aware of itself', a.k.a. 'self-referral awareness'. Was the meditation teacher asking the student to 'do' something that isn't possible? Michael
[FairfieldLife] Re: CC - a stepping stone and Humpty Dumpty's purported Enlightenment
Thanks. Given the terse language in the passage, it does sound as if he underwent a profound transformation at a late age. Better late than never. Funny how the intellect can get so wrapped up in truth and right and wrong, and then after awhile it turns to the heart for support, and if the heart has retained its capacity to bring emotional awareness to everything the intellect discovers, the result is Yoga. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Doc, I thought you might appreciate this guy's experience illuminating of another age: He was a member of the orthodox branch of the Friends church, strictly moral and upright, although he did not experience a change of heart until he was 65 years of age. Would speak of it with great regret that he had lived so long without a religious experience. The change wrought a wonderful transfor- mation. Always manifesting a meek and quiet spirit, now he became even more tender and Christ-like in his life, striving to better the condition of those about him and gathering in the children to teach them the scriptures. He died at the home of his son, Richard, in Davis Co., Kansas, of neuralgia of the heart, 11th month, 17th, 1883. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Thanks, and best regards to you! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Doc, Yep, good writing. Nice perspective of experience. Best Regards, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: (couldn't figure out why my response to you wasn't posting, until I saw you had modified your post). Anyway, the previous one was better, and included the relevant portions of Xeno's post, so I kept my response, as it was, without an update: Ok, I'll start here. By the way, Ravi, I am not on some kind of vendetta towards you. You said some things that pissed me off, and I wanted to let you know it. Unless you have more to say about it, I don't. Regarding Xeno's post, I'll take it from here: (snipped his intro and some other stuff for clarity) XA: Especially with initial experiences there is a strong tendency, of which we are usually almost completely unaware, to be full of ourselves. We now 'know' something others do not know. Our ego co-ops the experience and we strut around like total ass holes with our new-found toy. **Before addressing your sweeping generalization, I'd like to touch on context. This forum serves as a sounding board for spiritual expression. Put another way, nothing is out of bounds, nor considered absolute here. Therefore, and considering there are some who can appreciate the expression, I will sometimes discuss elements of my enlightenment, and am always careful to point out that initial liberation is merely a marker, like CC. Personal growth never, ever stops - I think everyone here agrees with that statement, regardless of which side of the enlightenment divide, we sit on. I do not really know where I am relative to the seven states of consciousness that Maharishi set out. I remember CC quite well, and someone said it is the state where we relate to the Silence within us, but are most divorced from anything on the outside. We don't yet embrace the outside as ourselves. Still capable of individual love, but not yet universal love. Very true, and a hugely painful place to live. One that I confronted as much as possible, to get me the hell out of there as quickly as possible. Very unpleasant - poor emotional integration in CC. We have the whole world, only it is still us, and them. Leaks into the outer environment also - not just someplace like FFL, but real life as well. So, if I could try to explain what has happened since the onset of CC (early 2005), I would say that life events became increasingly challenging and stressful, imagine that, culminating in an almost unbearable intensity for about the last four years, and the only path for survival I had, was straight through the middle. Everyone and everything dear to me was slipping away from me, and I could do nothing but place myself in the center of it, and manage through it. This forced me to transcend the wall of ignorance I saw before me in CC, to something much more accessible and wonderful. A new, fresh world, of authentic human beings, each one a miracle in their own right. A life in general full of wonder. So many mysteries to be tickled by, and innocently discovered. By continuing to break down that wall between me and you, I have been able to experience everything, more and more, simply as myself - an identity shift. I enjoy some parts of myself
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: [...] Barry, you have used this argument a number of times already and it doesn't wash. Looking up old posts from FFL is not searching the web endlessly for any molecule of writing you have ever engaged in. You may think I am some vindictive cunt but no one has ever called me stupid and never will (unless of course you rise to the bait.) No need. Stupid vindictive cunts tend to make the case for what they are without my involvement. I refuse to descend to the level of that stupid vindictive cunt. Priceless. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck
Barry wrote years ago that he had gotten in touch with his inner assh*le (charming image). I suggest he do the same with this, the other troublesome organ of his anatomy, his inner stupid vindictive c*nt. I'll supply the flashlight and gloves. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: [...] Barry, you have used this argument a number of times already and it doesn't wash. Looking up old posts from FFL is not searching the web endlessly for any molecule of writing you have ever engaged in. You may think I am some vindictive cunt but no one has ever called me stupid and never will (unless of course you rise to the bait.) No need. Stupid vindictive cunts tend to make the case for what they are without my involvement. I refuse to descend to the level of that stupid vindictive cunt. Priceless. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: And what do you consider whining about the effects of a relatively light sentence handed down on two punks who abused an unconscious girl? It has been suggested here, that a person does not have full brain development until they are 25. And I think the part of the brain that is not fully developed, IIRC is that part which evaluates the future consequences of our actions. I am just putting that out there as one thing to consider. And are you losing sight that our criminal justice system is a more merciful system, with second and third chances. Maybe you don't like that fact. Juvenile? Insensitive? Adding to the already atrocious attitudes about women who are raped and sexually abused and the boys will be boys attitude about their attackers? What are you talking about? Not sure what you feel would be an appropriate punishment in this case. And evidently you feel it is out of line to feel sympathy for those boys. I feel sympathy for them. As well as the young woman. That goes without saying. Or is it ok to express such attitudes when one is a TM Practitioner? Finally. Well it took a little while for you to get to your main point. I suspect, this case has little meaning for you, outside of the tie in. If TM celebrities are people to be looked up to since their TM practice makes them phenomenal people, surely they should be held to even a modicum of decent behavior, I am not even suggesting a higher standard of behavior than poor non-TM'ers. Now here is a subject for discussion on FFL and I have probably posted out. I am not sure what behavior you would consider exemplary in your opinion, but I suspect that you want to see 1950 stereotypes of model citizens. I don't think it works that way. As regards Girish, unfortunately, you see it in every strata of life, where people who hold positions of power, will abuse that power. Those in the TMO are not immune to that. But I'd suspect that it may be more prevalent in countries where there has not been much progress in women's rights. But likely these types of incidents move cultures in that direction. From: feste37 feste37@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 8:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars  You are not a disciplined thinker, MJ. You just pour out anything that enters your head, and you seem obsessed with criticizing other people's behavior. I find it all very juvenile. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: tell it to the tens of thousands of people who are reviling her for her sympathy for a couple of true idiots and abusers of a passed out 16 year old girl - in true TM addle-headed fashion, you are excusing asinine behavior purely because it is behavior of a TM'er and a TM'er who has been used to tout the greatness of TM - deal with it feste - TM is no panacea and a whole bunch of these celebrities like Howard Stern, Russell Brand, and Lynch himself are, perversely excellent poster children of TM for their bad behavior because it unintentionally highlights all that is screwed up and hypocritical in the Movement, but much like those who post some trivial bull manure that is happening in Latin America as proof of Raja Luis's phenomenal success in setting up flying groups there, while ignoring the other 25 things that are gong wrong in the same geographical area, you continue to embrace fantasy as reality. From: feste37 feste37@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 9:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars àOnly an idiot would use this to take a swipe at TM. Time to grow up, MJ. I watched it. She is not oozing sympathy. There's nothing wrong with what she says. She's pursuing the story, that's all. The youth of the defendants, and what will happen to them, is part of that story. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Candy Crowley Oozes Sympathy for Steubenville Rapists http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/candy-crowley-oozes-sympathy-steubenvil\ le-r Candy Crowley, proud practitioner of TM is nearly as good an example of what TM can do for folks as cussing chain smoking David Lynch
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Post Count. to Judy
Right, only hard for me to grasp because I wasn't on FFL when Maharishi died. Biblical was, for me at least, a humorous reference to other posts. PS Old soul new soul is not really a concept I entertain. I replied simply because an attribution to me about it was made. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 7:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Post Count. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: dear Buck, I find I cannot quite grasp what is meant by extraordinary times of community need in the FFL context. Did such times occur in the past? Posting limits were lifted (for a couple weeks, as I recall) when Maharishi died. Not too hard to grasp, I don't think. Something biblical perhaps? Biblical?? Who would determine that such times were upon us? Rick, of course. And could such determination be made without undue pressure on any one individual? Speak! I have no idea what that means. Maybe Buck will. From: Buck dhamiltony2k5@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 5:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Post Count. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Curtis did, in fact, overpost, but that's because he kept getting an error on the website while trying to send his 50th post. Curtis emailed me, and I sent it on to Rick for him to pass judgment from upon high. Rick let him slide. Point of order, spare the rod spoil the writer. 50 posts per week is way more than enough to say what needs to be said. What is anyone saying even with coming close to 50 posts that they couldn't say more judiciously in 30 posts per week? The lack of civility that is endemic too often in posting here is only helped along with the lack of severity in administering the community guidelines. We should all be better here with a 30 post limit exept in extraordinary times of community need. Sincerely, -Buck
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
Thank you for this balanced view, Steve. It helped me clarify my own thoughts and feelings about it. Isn't it usually the news director who chooses the angle of a news story? I thought Crowley's intro of the reporter was objective. It was the reporter Harlow who was initially sympathetic to the 2 boys. And the legal expert Callan who came after her was very sympathetic. I'm just wondering if the news director chose him too and was attempting to present a balanced story. Crowley herself is the single mom of two teenaged boys but nonetheless I thought her comments were mostly objective given what she was commenting on, meaning the less objective angles taken by the reporter and the expert. In any case, I think for some on FFL it's damned if you do and damned if you don't. Meaning if you do TM and you make mistakes then TM isn't what it claims to be. But if you are successful and do TM and promote it, then it's because you're afraid of angering Oprah (-: From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: And what do you consider whining about the effects of a relatively light sentence handed down on two punks who abused an unconscious girl? It has been suggested here, that a person does not have full brain development until they are 25. And I think the part of the brain that is not fully developed, IIRC is that part which evaluates the future consequences of our actions. I am just putting that out there as one thing to consider. And are you losing sight that our criminal justice system is a more merciful system, with second and third chances. Maybe you don't like that fact. Juvenile? Insensitive? Adding to the already atrocious attitudes about women who are raped and sexually abused and the boys will be boys attitude about their attackers? What are you talking about? Not sure what you feel would be an appropriate punishment in this case. And evidently you feel it is out of line to feel sympathy for those boys. I feel sympathy for them. As well as the young woman. That goes without saying. Or is it ok to express such attitudes when one is a TM Practitioner? Finally. Well it took a little while for you to get to your main point. I suspect, this case has little meaning for you, outside of the tie in. If TM celebrities are people to be looked up to since their TM practice makes them phenomenal people, surely they should be held to even a modicum of decent behavior, I am not even suggesting a higher standard of behavior than poor non-TM'ers. Now here is a subject for discussion on FFL and I have probably posted out. I am not sure what behavior you would consider exemplary in your opinion, but I suspect that you want to see 1950 stereotypes of model citizens. I don't think it works that way. As regards Girish, unfortunately, you see it in every strata of life, where people who hold positions of power, will abuse that power. Those in the TMO are not immune to that. But I'd suspect that it may be more prevalent in countries where there has not been much progress in women's rights. But likely these types of incidents move cultures in that direction. From: feste37 feste37@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 8:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars  You are not a disciplined thinker, MJ. You just pour out anything that enters your head, and you seem obsessed with criticizing other people's behavior. I find it all very juvenile. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: tell it to the tens of thousands of people who are reviling her for her sympathy for a couple of true idiots and abusers of a passed out 16 year old girl - in true TM addle-headed fashion, you are excusing asinine behavior purely because it is behavior of a TM'er and a TM'er who has been used to tout the greatness of TM - deal with it feste - TM is no panacea and a whole bunch of these celebrities like Howard Stern, Russell Brand, and Lynch himself are, perversely excellent poster children of TM for their bad behavior because it unintentionally highlights all that is screwed up and hypocritical in the Movement, but much like those who post some trivial bull manure that is happening in Latin America as proof of Raja Luis's phenomenal success in setting up flying groups there, while ignoring the other 25 things that are gong wrong in the same geographical area, you continue to embrace fantasy as reality. From: feste37 feste37@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 9:24 PM Subject:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: You should know that this guy is MMY's nephew. In India, due to their belief in reincarnation, nepotism is the norm and is usually celebrated as the proper way things get done. The first Prime Minister of India was named Jawaharlal Nehru. Coincidentally, Indira Ghandi was his granddaughter, and Rajiv Ghandi was his great-grandson. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_India#Prime_Ministers The swami named in the will to succeed Gurudev was Gurudev's nephew, it turns out. Indians just assume that their relatives are the best person for the job because the cosmos chose them for it by causing them to be born as relatives of the person in power. That said, I've heard the rumors of the nephews of MMY being bad people for years. But those same rumors say that TM doesn't work, that all the research is bogus and so on. It wouldn't be surprising if some of the rumors were true. It also wouldn't be surprising if some of the rumors were false. L. Well it does seem by the newspaper accounts that this guy is getting caught with his hands in the cookie jar. It is going to be very interesting to see what Tony Nader and the TM movement does with this going forward. This is a very big deal that evidently was a long time in coming. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: [...] Given that perspective by people who knew him when, how did he come to run the hugely lucrative TMO India? And why didn't people speak up? (Maybe they did but we would never know). Why did the American Rajas over there put up with this crap all these years? Surely they must have seen and sensed that things were not right.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
Commenting as I go along --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Thank you for this balanced view, Steve. It helped me clarify my own thoughts and feelings about it. Isn't it usually the news director who chooses the angle of a news story? I thought Crowley's intro of the reporter was objective.Well, that makes two of us.It was the reporter Harlow who was initially sympathetic to the 2 boys.Of course. That would be the opinion of just about anybody who didn't have an agenda they wanted to push. And the legal expert Callan who came after her was very sympathetic.Right. I kept waiting to find this smoking gun, but it wasn't there. But, of course that matters not to Michael. He has shown he is able to skew most any statement or behavior in or about the TMO, to suit his ends. The fact that he looks foolish doing so, (at least most of the time), seems to make little difference. And yes, that does point to some other underlying issues, a nice childhood, notwithstanding.  I'm just wondering if the news director chose him too and was attempting to present a balanced story. Crowley herself is the single mom of two teenaged boys but nonetheless I thought her comments were mostly objective given what she was commenting on, meaning the less objective angles taken by the reporter and the expert. In any case, I think for some on FFL it's damned if you do and damned if you don't.Well, I think Michael is the poster child for that now. Meaning if you do TM and you make mistakes then TM isn't what it claims to be.Mike's strategy on TMO is heads I win, tails you lose, when presenting his opinions on the subject. But if you are successful and do TM and promote it, then it's because you're afraid of angering Oprah (-:Making me smile here Share. I can always use a smile. (-: From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: And what do you consider whining about the effects of a relatively light sentence handed down on two punks who abused an unconscious girl? It has been suggested here, that a person does not have full brain development until they are 25.  And I think the part of the brain that is not fully developed, IIRC is that part which evaluates the future consequences of our actions. I am just putting that out there as one thing to consider. And are you losing sight that our criminal justice system is a more merciful system, with second and third chances.  Maybe you don't like that fact. Juvenile? Insensitive? Adding to the already atrocious attitudes about women who are raped and sexually abused and the boys will be boys attitude about their attackers? What are you talking about?  Not sure what you feel would be an appropriate punishment in this case.  And evidently you feel it is out of line to feel sympathy for those boys.  I feel sympathy for them. As well as the young woman.  That goes without saying. Or is it ok to express such attitudes when one is a TM Practitioner? Finally.  Well it took a little while for you to get to your main point.  I suspect, this case has little meaning for you, outside of the tie in.  If TM celebrities are people to be looked up to since their TM practice makes them phenomenal people, surely they should be held to even a modicum of decent behavior, I am not even suggesting a higher standard of behavior than poor non-TM'ers. Now here is a subject for discussion on FFL and I have probably posted out. I am not sure what behavior you would consider exemplary in your opinion, but I suspect that you want to see 1950 stereotypes of model citizens.  I don't think it works that way. As regards Girish, unfortunately, you see it in every strata of life, where people who hold positions of power, will abuse that power.  Those in the TMO are not immune to that.  But I'd suspect that it may be more prevalent in countries where there has not been much progress in women's rights.  But likely these types of incidents move cultures in that direction. From: feste37 feste37@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 8:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars àYou are not a disciplined thinker, MJ. You just pour out anything that enters your head, and you seem obsessed with criticizing other people's behavior. I find it all very juvenile. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: tell it to the tens of thousands of people who are reviling her for her sympathy for a couple of true idiots and abusers of a passed out 16 year old girl - in true TM addle-headed fashion, you are excusing asinine behavior purely because it is behavior of a TM'er and a
[FairfieldLife] How to destroy a country for fun and money
Today is the 10th anniversary of the Iraq invasion announced by the smirking chimp. I was having dinner at a Greek restaurant with some friends as the chimp announced it. We knew this was not a good idea and would not end well. Time proved us correct. Here's an article by Dr. Paul Craig Roberts on the great mistake. http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/03/18/iraq-after-ten-years-paul-craig-roberts/ In case you still don't know what wars are about here's the REAL reason: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lSKu1WkA6U
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to destroy a country for fun and money
Great article. Many Americans would agree with this. It is also apparent that the White House or the president is under the control of a powerful lobby or the Illuminati which forces wars against the perceived enemies of the USA. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Today is the 10th anniversary of the Iraq invasion announced by the smirking chimp. I was having dinner at a Greek restaurant with some friends as the chimp announced it. We knew this was not a good idea and would not end well. Time proved us correct. Here's an article by Dr. Paul Craig Roberts on the great mistake. http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/03/18/iraq-after-ten-years-paul-craig-roberts/ In case you still don't know what wars are about here's the REAL reason: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lSKu1WkA6U
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: Commenting as I go along --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Thank you for this balanced view, Steve. It helped me clarify my own thoughts and feelings about it. Isn't it usually the news director who chooses the angle of a news story? I thought Crowley's intro of the reporter was objective. Well, that makes two of us. It was the reporter Harlow who was initially sympathetic to the 2 boys. Of course. That would be the opinion of just about anybody who didn't have an agenda they wanted to push. I find it positively bizarre that *anyone* could revile either Crowley or Harlow for how they reported this. Recognizing the negative consequences of a punishment for the perpetrators of a crime does NOT mean one does not think the punishment was well deserved or that the crime wasn't horrifying. I sure didn't detect even a trace of boys will be boys in that report. These kids did something incredibly stupid and cruel and insensitive, and they're going to regret it for the rest of their lives. Is it sympathy to point that out? What would count as decent behavior in this circumstance? Schadenfreude? Should Crowley and Harlow have *gloated* over the sentence? Should they have refrained from discussing the *fact* that the scene in the courtroom was highly emotional? Nobody said the emotion was all in favor of the boys. Common sense tells you it would have been split between those who were relieved the boys were convicted and would serve time, and those who had been hoping they'd get off. I'm not a fan of Crowley regardless of the fact that she's a TMer, BTW. But I can't find any fault in her reporting in this instance. One should also bear in mind that this breaking news report was hardly the only discussion of this crime and trial on CNN. I don't watch CNN, but I'd be astonished if folks who were distinctly unsympathetic to the boys hadn't had their say as well.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
Every exchange like this just reinforces my belief that long term TM makes ones brain turn into mush and removes the ability to think clearly. How many times do you hear reporters give a show of hand wringing over the fate of convicted rapists? A reporters job is to report the facts, not commiserate with the criminals - in no way shape or form was Crowley's remarks objective and the other reporters were even worse. Yeah Poppy Harlow started it - could Crowley not have used her TM enhanced Creative Intelligence to say Hey what are you doing Poppy!?! The standard of conduct I was referring to in my other post has nothing to do with 1950's - Jesus you people are beyond hope - its no wonder Turq cusses you out from time to time. Your attitude seems to be - Oh Candy is a TM'er and so anything she does is beyond reproach - you people really are screwed up. Take a look at what the non-TM world thinks of this crap: CNN's unconscionable coverage of the Steubenville Rape Case verdict is pissing everyone off. Newscaster Candy Crowley, general correspondent Poppy Harlow, and legal expert Paul Callan all did their very best to focus solely on the guilty verdict's repercussions on the two rapists. There's next to no coverage of the girl who was brutally raped; instead, they talk almost exclusively of the rapists— the two teenagers who had such bright futures, and now their lives are completely ruined from this one little indiscretion. Isn't it a shame how they suffer? http://jezebel.com/5991018/heres-what-cnn-shouldve-said-about-the-steubenville-rape-case From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars Thank you for this balanced view, Steve. It helped me clarify my own thoughts and feelings about it. Isn't it usually the news director who chooses the angle of a news story? I thought Crowley's intro of the reporter was objective. It was the reporter Harlow who was initially sympathetic to the 2 boys. And the legal expert Callan who came after her was very sympathetic. I'm just wondering if the news director chose him too and was attempting to present a balanced story. Crowley herself is the single mom of two teenaged boys but nonetheless I thought her comments were mostly objective given what she was commenting on, meaning the less objective angles taken by the reporter and the expert. In any case, I think for some on FFL it's damned if you do and damned if you don't. Meaning if you do TM and you make mistakes then TM isn't what it claims to be. But if you are successful and do TM and promote it, then it's because you're afraid of angering Oprah (-: From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: And what do you consider whining about the effects of a relatively light sentence handed down on two punks who abused an unconscious girl? It has been suggested here, that a person does not have full brain development until they are 25. And I think the part of the brain that is not fully developed, IIRC is that part which evaluates the future consequences of our actions. I am just putting that out there as one thing to consider. And are you losing sight that our criminal justice system is a more merciful system, with second and third chances. Maybe you don't like that fact. Juvenile? Insensitive? Adding to the already atrocious attitudes about women who are raped and sexually abused and the boys will be boys attitude about their attackers? What are you talking about? Not sure what you feel would be an appropriate punishment in this case. And evidently you feel it is out of line to feel sympathy for those boys. I feel sympathy for them. As well as the young woman. That goes without saying. Or is it ok to express such attitudes when one is a TM Practitioner? Finally. Well it took a little while for you to get to your main point. I suspect, this case has little meaning for you, outside of the tie in. If TM celebrities are people to be looked up to since their TM practice makes them phenomenal people, surely they should be held to even a modicum of decent behavior, I am not even suggesting a higher standard of behavior than poor non-TM'ers. Now here is a subject for discussion on FFL and I have probably posted out. I am not sure what behavior you would consider exemplary in your opinion, but I suspect that you want to see 1950 stereotypes of model citizens. I don't think it works that way. As regards Girish, unfortunately, you see it in every strata of life, where people who hold positions of power, will
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
It is an interesting coincidence [sic?] that all the TM bigwigs are in India just as this comes to a head. Judy may be right: this could be part of a power-struggle in the TM organization that goes beyond just India. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Well it does seem by the newspaper accounts that this guy is getting caught with his hands in the cookie jar. It is going to be very interesting to see what Tony Nader and the TM movement does with this going forward. This is a very big deal that evidently was a long time in coming.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to destroy a country for fun and money
The invasion of AFghanistan with the eye to nation-build was just as bad an idea. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Today is the 10th anniversary of the Iraq invasion announced by the smirking chimp. I was having dinner at a Greek restaurant with some friends as the chimp announced it. We knew this was not a good idea and would not end well. Time proved us correct. Here's an article by Dr. Paul Craig Roberts on the great mistake. http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/03/18/iraq-after-ten-years-paul-craig-roberts/ In case you still don't know what wars are about here's the REAL reason: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lSKu1WkA6U
[FairfieldLife] Review Bates Motel
We tantrics love our horror shows and Bates Motel built on the Psycho franchise is no exception. I figured Vera Farmiga would not be involved in any schlock series and the pilot episode which debuted last night on AE hit one out of the ballpark. It looks like AE didn't want to be left in the dust behind AMC and FX and if they can keep it up they'll have a hit series. The series opens as Norman played by Freddie Highmore finds his father dead, move ahead to Norman and his mother Norma (Farmiga) buy a broken down motel on the Oregon coast with an old mansion behind it. Norman makes a hit with the local high school girls and mama disapproves. We're getting the backstory here about why Norman became what he was in Psycho. The pilot didn't play like a TV episode but rather like a movie and well written. IMDB says filmed in Canada except that some exteriors I saw looked like they really were shot near Cannon Beach in Oregon because I don't think Canada has such coastlines (eh, Ann?) Rated not for Buck due to violence. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2188671/ Watch free here (probably blocked in Europe but we know our eyepatch friends have a way). http://www.aetv.com/bates-motel/video/first-you-dream-then-you-die-21892675898
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is it possible for 'aware-ness' to be an object?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: It turns out that the EEG pattern of long-term TMers during TM remains the same as the EEG pattern found in short-term TMers: it's simple relaxation, no matter how long you have been doing it. Pure Consciousness is just the same pattern in its most extreme form. In every other meditation technique with published research, you see a shift away from simple relaxation towards something different, as you become more experienced. In other words, I wouldn't trust the words of a non-TM teacher with regards to your TM practice. They literally don't understand where you are at and can only attempt to transform your practice into their practice. Ahem. Isn't another way of interpreting your first two paragraphs that there is no *progress* in TM? *You* are the one interpreting simple relaxation (which never gets deeper or more profound) with Pure Consciousness. I doubt that scientists would. As for not trusing non-TM teachers, I can say that TM teachers don't know diddleysquat except the stuff they were given to memorize and parrot. That's fine, as far as it goes, but it really doesn't go very deep, or have any relevance to the larger field of meditation. They know a little about one tiny technique, and nothing about any of the others. They are actually *prevented* from learning about any of the others, under pain of banishment. Just sayin'... If you dispute this, cite things that were taught to you on your TM Teacher Training course. Oh, that's right, you can't. Again, just sayin'... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: I would suggest forgetting whatever you learned with TM and just become aware of the one having the thought - of course its possible - it who you really are From: sound of stillness soundofstillness@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 2:03 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Is it possible for 'aware-ness' to be an object? Â I was listening to a meditation teacher (not a TM teacher) who when asked about thoughts, gave the instruction . . . Become aware of the one who is having the thoughts. Is it possible to become 'aware' of the one who is having a thought? Is it possible for 'aware-ness' to be an object? If not, if 'aware-ness' is always the 'subject', then what is the distinction between the instruction the meditation teacher gave and 'awareness becoming aware of itself', a.k.a. 'self-referral awareness'. Was the meditation teacher asking the student to 'do' something that isn't possible? Michael
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: It is an interesting coincidence [sic?] that all the TM bigwigs are in India just as this comes to a head. Judy may be right: this could be part of a power-struggle in the TM organization that goes beyond just India. I do hope so, I love a bit of scandal (don't we all!) The more they bicker and argue though the more laughable it all becomes. Shame they are so very cultish and won't ever admit to any negativity, we'll have to rely on hearsay and gossip as usual. About some of it anyway, Times of India is at least reporting the financial scandal about alleged missing funds. Who could ever have guessed the age of enlightenment would be so fraught - It's almost identical to the age of ignorance! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Well it does seem by the newspaper accounts that this guy is getting caught with his hands in the cookie jar. It is going to be very interesting to see what Tony Nader and the TM movement does with this going forward. This is a very big deal that evidently was a long time in coming.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: [...] Barry, you have used this argument a number of times already and it doesn't wash. Looking up old posts from FFL is not searching the web endlessly for any molecule of writing you have ever engaged in. You may think I am some vindictive cunt but no one has ever called me stupid and never will (unless of course you rise to the bait.) No need. Stupid vindictive cunts tend to make the case for what they are without my involvement. I refuse to descend to the level of that stupid vindictive cunt. Priceless. Learn to read, Lawson. I didn't call Ann a stupid vindictive cunt. She did that *herself*, quibbling only about the stupid part. I merely commented on what stupid vindictive cunts *generically* tend to do to reveal what they are. :-) People are SO afraid of words. Some, who mainly have no experience with how the word cunt is used in many places in the world, think that it has some pejorative meaning associated with the female anatomy. Not so. In most non-American cultures, calling either a man *or* a woman a cunt has a very clear meaning. A cunt is someone who is consistently vindictive and who not only holds grudges but who acts on them at every given opportunity. Male, female really doesn't matter. c.f. In Bruges.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: And what do you consider whining about the effects of a relatively light sentence handed down on two punks who abused an unconscious girl? It has been suggested here, that a person does not have full brain development until they are 25. And I think the part of the brain that is not fully developed, IIRC is that part which evaluates the future consequences of our actions. I am just putting that out there as one thing to consider. If that has been said here, it runs contrary to most literature on child-rearing. According to those authors, children develop the empathy to feel the effects of their actions on others and the ability to control actions that might negatively affect others at age six. If these guys hadn't gotten it down by their age, there is something wrong with them. End of story.
[FairfieldLife] Much Ado About Nothing
No longer can you take your seats for Krauss v Albert - the Rumble In the Ontological Jungle. http://tinyurl.com/cmx9dfw Among the speakers will be several leading physicists, including Lawrence M. Krauss, whose book A Universe from Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather Than Nothing became a cause célèbre in the scientific blogosphere last spring after a scathing review in the New York Times Book Review by the philosopher David Z. Albert. But Mr. Albert will not be onstage, having been abruptly disinvited by the museum several months after he agreed to take part. The tone of the dustup between Mr. Albert and Mr. Krauss summed up by one blogger as an ongoing cosmological street fight that had broken out broad media daylight would have certainly left those who saw both men's names on early publicity material anticipating something closer to a wrestling match than dispassionate scholarly discussion. In his review Mr. Albert, who also has a Ph.D. in theoretical physics, mocked Mr. Krauss's cocksure claim to have found in the laws of quantum mechanics a definitive answer to the vexing question of the ultimate origins of the universe. (So where did those laws come from? he asked.) Mr. Krauss countered with a pugnacious interview in The Atlantic, in which he called Mr. Albert moronic and dismissed the philosophy of science as worthless.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is it possible for 'aware-ness' to be an object?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: It turns out that the EEG pattern of long-term TMers during TM remains the same as the EEG pattern found in short-term TMers: it's simple relaxation, no matter how long you have been doing it. Pure Consciousness is just the same pattern in its most extreme form. In every other meditation technique with published research, you see a shift away from simple relaxation towards something different, as you become more experienced. In other words, I wouldn't trust the words of a non-TM teacher with regards to your TM practice. They literally don't understand where you are at and can only attempt to transform your practice into their practice. L And conversely, a TM teacher may not have any understanding of what happens with other forms of meditation. Now the ones I have been familiar with all had basically the same kind of minimal effortless kind of instruction as TM; none were overtly of the concentration type. But awareness does shift in a different way with these other meditations. The misunderstanding goes both ways.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars to Michael J
Michael I suggest you read what was actually written in the posts you're supposedly responding to. And then do some fact reporting yourself. Which includes BTW, not ignoring my questions about news directors and their part in such a news story, not to mention the part of CNN executives. You say that in no way shape or form was (sic) Crowley's remarks objective. Which indicates to me that you have no idea of what objective is. You discount the fact that Harlow started the sympathy and instead discredit Crowley, in a sarcastic way. Since you used quotation marks, which traditionally indicates that you're directly quoting someone, where specifically did any one of us say that Crowley is a TMer and so anything she does is beyond reproach? I realize that lots of people are upset by this incident. My friend, who's a TM recertified governor BTW, sent a petition to her email list, chock full of TMers, demanding apologies. Feel free to ignore this and any other facts for which you have no reply. Because I've been doing TMSP for so long and thus am not a sheeple, when I hear a world is thinking a certain way and being pissed off, my tendency is to question that thinking and to remind myself that probably a lot of people in the Nazi world were pissed off by Jews and gypsies. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars Every exchange like this just reinforces my belief that long term TM makes ones brain turn into mush and removes the ability to think clearly. How many times do you hear reporters give a show of hand wringing over the fate of convicted rapists? A reporters job is to report the facts, not commiserate with the criminals - in no way shape or form was Crowley's remarks objective and the other reporters were even worse. Yeah Poppy Harlow started it - could Crowley not have used her TM enhanced Creative Intelligence to say Hey what are you doing Poppy!?! The standard of conduct I was referring to in my other post has nothing to do with 1950's - Jesus you people are beyond hope - its no wonder Turq cusses you out from time to time. Your attitude seems to be - Oh Candy is a TM'er and so anything she does is beyond reproach - you people really are screwed up. Take a look at what the non-TM world thinks of this crap: CNN's unconscionable coverage of the Steubenville Rape Case verdict is pissing everyone off. Newscaster Candy Crowley, general correspondent Poppy Harlow, and legal expert Paul Callan all did their very best to focus solely on the guilty verdict's repercussions on the two rapists. There's next to no coverage of the girl who was brutally raped; instead, they talk almost exclusively of the rapists— the two teenagers who had such bright futures, and now their lives are completely ruined from this one little indiscretion. Isn't it a shame how they suffer? http://jezebel.com/5991018/heres-what-cnn-shouldve-said-about-the-steubenville-rape-case From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars Thank you for this balanced view, Steve. It helped me clarify my own thoughts and feelings about it. Isn't it usually the news director who chooses the angle of a news story? I thought Crowley's intro of the reporter was objective. It was the reporter Harlow who was initially sympathetic to the 2 boys. And the legal expert Callan who came after her was very sympathetic. I'm just wondering if the news director chose him too and was attempting to present a balanced story. Crowley herself is the single mom of two teenaged boys but nonetheless I thought her comments were mostly objective given what she was commenting on, meaning the less objective angles taken by the reporter and the expert. In any case, I think for some on FFL it's damned if you do and damned if you don't. Meaning if you do TM and you make mistakes then TM isn't what it claims to be. But if you are successful and do TM and promote it, then it's because you're afraid of angering Oprah (-: From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: And what do you consider whining about the effects of a relatively light sentence handed down on two punks who abused an unconscious girl? It has been suggested here, that a person does not have full brain development until they are 25. And I think the part of the brain that is not fully developed, IIRC is that
[FairfieldLife] Think your vegetable spring roll is safe from the sea gulls?
Think again! http://youtu.be/ol8c9bdp7YI
[FairfieldLife] A Tale Of Two Countries
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Race and the blues. to Curtis and Xeno
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Curtis this and previous posts made me realize that we all, even scientists, have meta beliefs about beliefs and these are the ones that at least need to be recognized. Why do they need to be recognized? Well, for sure that's another belief. It got me thinking that in Western cultures there's a deeply buried meta belief that optimal human development is always good. In the spirit of questioning ALL beliefs, I ask: is it. Is optimal human growth always good? And with that we have to ask: good for what? Xeno, what do you think? Are there meta beliefs? How can they be dealt with? And why should we even bother with that? Thank you.  We are saddled with beliefs from our parents, our culture, beliefs that result from mistaken interpretation of experiences. All these beliefs entangle with each other. There are lots of beliefs, how you catagorise them and put them in relationships, put them in levels, probably is not nearly as important as finding a way to see through them. Input from the senses is raw, but it is not necessarily reliable as signal processing goes on and re-patterns it, throws away some of it, even before it gets to the brain. This is a distortion that we cannot undo. But the mind, which is basically another form that consciousness takes, is not direct at all, it is a running commentary on the rest, attempting to organise all that information in some kind of useful way. Because it is indirect, it is at least one step away from whatever 'truth' might be. The simple observation that very few people fundamentally agree about anything seems to show the mind is not a source of truth. There was a recent paper from the National Institutes of Health. The authors were dealing with rats (an appropriate model for us here on FFL). Neurons that store information, during a state of rest, reverse the electrical flow, basically erasing some of the state previously encoded in the neuron. This is why we forget. However if a similar pattern is experienced next, the partly erased neurons seem primed to make an even stronger connexion the second time around, and subsequent times. This may have to do with why certain kinds of repetitive and intense experiences like PTSD get locked into the system. This might have something to do with why beliefs get locked into our systems. http://www.nichd.nih.gov/news/releases/Pages/031813-backwards-neurons.aspx Why is it they everyone, me included, thinks that what they believe is correct, and what others believe is usually wrong? Taking all of us in concert, it should be obvious that this could not possibly be correct. How often are we really right about anything? From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 9:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Race and the blues.  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: I really appreciate what you wrote Ann. I know you have a deep appreciation for the arts and people who try to live by their art. As I'm sure you know every artist just has to follow their own inner muse. I play music the way I like it, to please my own tastes. It can only be that way for the kind of blues I play. So I am really not too vulnerable to anyone expressing something here. I have put in too much time in front of people actually listening to my music without some agenda, so I know I am not the only one who hears the music as I do. And musical taste is so personal. I would never hold it against anyone who hated my musical style. There are some I don't like. And it is the same with philosophy. I don't care if someone doesn't share my beliefs or lack of beliefs here. I seek out people who see the world differently. Good intellectual boundaries means that I can accept that we can agree to disagree about our beliefs and not feel threatened if someone thinks I am crazy for my choices. Your points wer a sensitive ones and it was very cool of you to lay it out in such detail. Thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: Or maybe, shock horror, Nabby just doesn't like Curtis because of his opinions about Marshy and so tries to insult him whenever he can in whatever way he can. Perhaps you want to quiz him about the term Hillbilly why you're about it? Very funny. Nabbie has never heard my two CDs so he is basing his opinion on a few random videos on the Web. And of course he is welcome to not liking what I do for any reason. I just objected to the racist term he used in his latest putdown so that was what my post was about. His previous
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: It is an interesting coincidence [sic?] that all the TM bigwigs are in India just as this comes to a head. Judy may be right: this could be part of a power-struggle in the TM organization that goes beyond just India. I do hope so, I love a bit of scandal (don't we all!) The more they bicker and argue though the more laughable it all becomes. Shame they are so very cultish and won't ever admit to any negativity, we'll have to rely on hearsay and gossip as usual. About some of it anyway, Times of India is at least reporting the financial scandal about alleged missing funds. Who could ever have guessed the age of enlightenment would be so fraught - It's almost identical to the age of ignorance! Ah, you may have discovered the secret, that the age of enlightenment and the age of ignorance are identical. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Well it does seem by the newspaper accounts that this guy is getting caught with his hands in the cookie jar. It is going to be very interesting to see what Tony Nader and the TM movement does with this going forward. This is a very big deal that evidently was a long time in coming.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is it possible for 'aware-ness' to be an object?
On 03/19/2013 11:20 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: It turns out that the EEG pattern of long-term TMers during TM remains the same as the EEG pattern found in short-term TMers: it's simple relaxation, no matter how long you have been doing it. Pure Consciousness is just the same pattern in its most extreme form. In every other meditation technique with published research, you see a shift away from simple relaxation towards something different, as you become more experienced. In other words, I wouldn't trust the words of a non-TM teacher with regards to your TM practice. They literally don't understand where you are at and can only attempt to transform your practice into their practice. Ahem. Isn't another way of interpreting your first two paragraphs that there is no *progress* in TM? *You* are the one interpreting simple relaxation (which never gets deeper or more profound) with Pure Consciousness. I doubt that scientists would. As for not trusing non-TM teachers, I can say that TM teachers don't know diddleysquat except the stuff they were given to memorize and parrot. That's fine, as far as it goes, but it really doesn't go very deep, or have any relevance to the larger field of meditation. They know a little about one tiny technique, and nothing about any of the others. They are actually *prevented* from learning about any of the others, under pain of banishment. Just sayin'... If you dispute this, cite things that were taught to you on your TM Teacher Training course. Oh, that's right, you can't. Again, just sayin'... Some might think of Graham Hancock as being new age woo-woo but one should listen to his rap that Michael Ruppert presented on his March 10th Lifeboat Hour show on the Progressive Radio Network. Hancock presents a pretty good argument about what's wrong with modern day consciousness research. You can download or listen to the show here. http://prn.fm/category/archives/the-lifeboat-hour/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Think your vegetable spring roll is safe from the sea gulls?
On 03/19/2013 11:57 AM, PaliGap wrote: Think again! http://youtu.be/ol8c9bdp7YI There recently have been reports of a bald eagle in one of the nearby communities snatching cats and small dogs.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
Michael, my friend, I am afraid you are losing it. Or is it lost it. I'm not sure. But listen, I have just the solution. This posting stuff is obviously taking its toll. Take a break for a few days. Maybe until, say, Friday evening. Whaddya think? You'll thank me, you'll bless me. And hey, really, I enjoyed hearing about your wonderful childhood. The one thing you left out was anything about your schooling. You did attend school, right. Well, of course you did. Sorry about that. But did you take any courses that dealt with analytical thinking. What? You didn't. Well no worries. Many here say it's not my strong suit either. But one starting point may be to try to remove any obvious biases from your thinking. When you come to every situation with a fixed mindset, it sort of closes the door on any opportunity to learn something. And yes, in case you were wondering, I do love ya like brother --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Every exchange like this just reinforces my belief that long term TM makes ones brain turn into mush and removes the ability to think clearly. How many times do you hear reporters give a show of hand wringing over the fate of convicted rapists? A reporters job is to report the facts, not commiserate with the criminals - in no way shape or form was Crowley's remarks objective and the other reporters were even worse. Yeah Poppy Harlow started it - could Crowley not have used her TM enhanced Creative Intelligence to say Hey what are you doing Poppy!?! The standard of conduct I was referring to in my other post has nothing to do with 1950's - Jesus you people are beyond hope - its no wonder Turq cusses you out from time to time. Your attitude seems to be - Oh Candy is a TM'er and so anything she does is beyond reproach - you people really are screwed up. Take a look at what the non-TM world thinks of this crap: CNN's unconscionable coverage of the Steubenville Rape Case verdict is pissing everyone off. Newscaster Candy Crowley, general correspondent Poppy Harlow, and legal expert Paul Callan all did their very best to focus solely on the guilty verdict's repercussions on the two rapists. There's next to no coverage of the girl who was brutally raped; instead, they talk almost exclusively of the rapistsâ the two teenagers who had such bright futures, and now their lives are completely ruined from this one little indiscretion. Isn't it a shame how they suffer? http://jezebel.com/5991018/heres-what-cnn-shouldve-said-about-the-steube\ nville-rape-case From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars  Thank you for this balanced view, Steve. It helped me clarify my own thoughts and feelings about it. Isn't it usually the news director who chooses the angle of a news story? I thought Crowley's intro of the reporter was objective. It was the reporter Harlow who was initially sympathetic to the 2 boys. And the legal expert Callan who came after her was very sympathetic. I'm just wondering if the news director chose him too and was attempting to present a balanced story. Crowley herself is the single mom of two teenaged boys but nonetheless I thought her comments were mostly objective given what she was commenting on, meaning the less objective angles taken by the reporter and the expert. In any case, I think for some on FFL it's damned if you do and damned if you don't. Meaning if you do TM and you make mistakes then TM isn't what it claims to be. But if you are successful and do TM and promote it, then it's because you're afraid of angering Oprah (-:    From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: And what do you consider whining about the effects of a relatively light sentence handed down on two punks who abused an unconscious girl? It has been suggested here, that a person does not have full brain development until they are 25.  And I think the part of the brain that is not fully developed, IIRC is that part which evaluates the future consequences of our actions. I am just putting that out there as one thing to consider. And are you losing sight that our criminal justice system is a more merciful system, with second and third chances.  Maybe you don't like that fact. Juvenile? Insensitive? Adding to the already atrocious attitudes about women who are raped and sexually abused and the boys will be boys attitude about their attackers? What are you talking about?  Not sure what you feel would be an appropriate punishment in this case.  And
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: It has been suggested here, that a person does not have full brain development until they are 25. And I think the part of the brain that is not fully developed, IIRC is that part which evaluates the future consequences of our actions. I am just putting that out there as one thing to consider. Yes I see that has been mentioned here. There must be something wrong with my brain though, 'cos this idea seems to me to be off-the-wall bonkers beyond belief. Do you *really* believe this? Really? Einstein published his first paper at the age of 22. It was on Conclusions from the Capillarity Phenomena - But his brain had not yet reached the stage where it evaluates the future consequences of our actions? Then again perhaps it was 23 year old war hero Frank Edward Young (VC)'s brain that was at fault: On 18 September 1918 south-east of Havrincourt, France, during an enemy counter-attack and throughout intense enemy fire, Second Lieutenant Young visited all posts, warned the garrisons and encouraged the men. In the early stages of the attack he rescued two of his men who had been captured and bombed and silenced an enemy machine-gun. Then he fought his way back to the main barricade and drove out a party of the enemy assembling there. Throughout four hours of heavy fighting this officer set a fine example and was last seen fighting hand-to-hand against a considerable number of the enemy
[FairfieldLife] Re: Much Ado About Nothing
IMO, Krauss chickened out of the debate. And the organizer, Mr. DeGrasse Tyson who is a friend of Krauss was only too willing to disinvite Mr. Albert. Mr. Albert would have exposed the fallacies in the ideas of Krauss. The premise of Krauss' book is so erroneus a freshman student of Philosphy 101 would recognize the contradictions in logic. As such, one wonders why a major university is paying him to teach physics to students. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote: No longer can you take your seats for Krauss v Albert - the Rumble In the Ontological Jungle. http://tinyurl.com/cmx9dfw Among the speakers will be several leading physicists, including Lawrence M. Krauss, whose book A Universe from Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather Than Nothing became a cause célèbre in the scientific blogosphere last spring after a scathing review in the New York Times Book Review by the philosopher David Z. Albert. But Mr. Albert will not be onstage, having been abruptly disinvited by the museum several months after he agreed to take part. The tone of the dustup between Mr. Albert and Mr. Krauss summed up by one blogger as an ongoing cosmological street fight that had broken out broad media daylight would have certainly left those who saw both men's names on early publicity material anticipating something closer to a wrestling match than dispassionate scholarly discussion. In his review Mr. Albert, who also has a Ph.D. in theoretical physics, mocked Mr. Krauss's cocksure claim to have found in the laws of quantum mechanics a definitive answer to the vexing question of the ultimate origins of the universe. (So where did those laws come from? he asked.) Mr. Krauss countered with a pugnacious interview in The Atlantic, in which he called Mr. Albert moronic and dismissed the philosophy of science as worthless.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: It has been suggested here, that a person does not have full brain development until they are 25. And I think the part of the brain that is not fully developed, IIRC is that part which evaluates the future consequences of our actions. I am just putting that out there as one thing to consider. Yes I see that has been mentioned here. There must be something wrong with my brain though, 'cos this idea seems to me to be off-the-wall bonkers beyond belief. Do you *really* believe this? Really? Einstein published his first paper at the age of 22. It was on Conclusions from the Capillarity Phenomena - But his brain had not yet reached the stage where it evaluates the future consequences of our actions? Why would his brain have had to be fully developed to write a scientific paper? Then again perhaps it was 23 year old war hero Frank Edward Young (VC)'s brain that was at fault: On 18 September 1918 south-east of Havrincourt, France, during an enemy counter-attack and throughout intense enemy fire, Second Lieutenant Young visited all posts, warned the garrisons and encouraged the men. In the early stages of the attack he rescued two of his men who had been captured and bombed and silenced an enemy machine-gun. Then he fought his way back to the main barricade and drove out a party of the enemy assembling there. Throughout four hours of heavy fighting this officer set a fine example and was last seen fighting hand-to-hand against a considerable number of the enemy Why do you think a 'not fully' developed brain is at fault?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
Feeling the heat dear Steve..LOL. You probably think MJ is dumber than you - not that I disagree mind you. Anyway it's good to finally see someone after 3 years, threatening to usurp your position - I am loving it. I'm still rooting for you though, but remember MJ's from South Carolina - he's got the history, culture, genes on his side, so you need to be on the top of your game, tighten it up a bit, take it up a notch, insert any other favorite cliche of yours here. And yes, in case you were wondering, I do love ya like brother. On Mar 19, 2013, at 12:39 PM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Michael, my friend, I am afraid you are losing it. Or is it lost it. I'm not sure. But listen, I have just the solution. This posting stuff is obviously taking its toll. Take a break for a few days. Maybe until, say, Friday evening. Whaddya think? You'll thank me, you'll bless me. And hey, really, I enjoyed hearing about your wonderful childhood. The one thing you left out was anything about your schooling. You did attend school, right. Well, of course you did. Sorry about that. But did you take any courses that dealt with analytical thinking. What? You didn't. Well no worries. Many here say it's not my strong suit either. But one starting point may be to try to remove any obvious biases from your thinking. When you come to every situation with a fixed mindset, it sort of closes the door on any opportunity to learn something. And yes, in case you were wondering, I do love ya like brother --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Every exchange like this just reinforces my belief that long term TM makes ones brain turn into mush and removes the ability to think clearly. How many times do you hear reporters give a show of hand wringing over the fate of convicted rapists? A reporters job is to report the facts, not commiserate with the criminals - in no way shape or form was Crowley's remarks objective and the other reporters were even worse. Yeah Poppy Harlow started it - could Crowley not have used her TM enhanced Creative Intelligence to say Hey what are you doing Poppy!?! The standard of conduct I was referring to in my other post has nothing to do with 1950's - Jesus you people are beyond hope - its no wonder Turq cusses you out from time to time. Your attitude seems to be - Oh Candy is a TM'er and so anything she does is beyond reproach - you people really are screwed up. Take a look at what the non-TM world thinks of this crap: CNN's unconscionable coverage of the Steubenville Rape Case verdict is pissing everyone off. Newscaster Candy Crowley, general correspondent Poppy Harlow, and legal expert Paul Callan all did their very best to focus solely on the guilty verdict's repercussions on the two rapists. There's next to no coverage of the girl who was brutally raped; instead, they talk almost exclusively of the rapists†the two teenagers who had such bright futures, and now their lives are completely ruined from this one little indiscretion. Isn't it a shame how they suffer? http://jezebel.com/5991018/heres-what-cnn-shouldve-said-about-the-steubenville-rape-case From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars  Thank you for this balanced view, Steve. It helped me clarify my own thoughts and feelings about it. Isn't it usually the news director who chooses the angle of a news story? I thought Crowley's intro of the reporter was objective. It was the reporter Harlow who was initially sympathetic to the 2 boys. And the legal expert Callan who came after her was very sympathetic. I'm just wondering if the news director chose him too and was attempting to present a balanced story. Crowley herself is the single mom of two teenaged boys but nonetheless I thought her comments were mostly objective given what she was commenting on, meaning the less objective angles taken by the reporter and the expert. In any case, I think for some on FFL it's damned if you do and damned if you don't. Meaning if you do TM and you make mistakes then TM isn't what it claims to be. But if you are successful and do TM and promote it, then it's because you're afraid of angering Oprah (-:    From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: And what do you consider whining about the effects of a relatively light
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: It has been suggested here, that a person does not have full brain development until they are 25. And I think the part of the brain that is not fully developed, IIRC is that part which evaluates the future consequences of our actions. I am just putting that out there as one thing to consider. Yes I see that has been mentioned here. There must be something wrong with my brain though, 'cos this idea seems to me to be off-the-wall bonkers beyond belief. Do you *really* believe this? Really? Really, I have no idea. Nor do I really care. I brought it up because it was recently mentioned, and it's probably true. And as I said, the part of the brain that isn't fully developed has to do with appreciating the full consequences of our actions. I don't believe I said anything about writing scientific papers. So, before you go all Michael Jackson on me, and try to make a connection that doesn't make any sense, why don't you read what I wrote. I think that would require only junior high comprehension. (-: Einstein published his first paper at the age of 22. It was on Conclusions from the Capillarity Phenomena - But his brain had not yet reached the stage where it evaluates the future consequences of our actions? Then again perhaps it was 23 year old war hero Frank Edward Young (VC)'s brain that was at fault: On 18 September 1918 south-east of Havrincourt, France, during an enemy counter-attack and throughout intense enemy fire, Second Lieutenant Young visited all posts, warned the garrisons and encouraged the men. In the early stages of the attack he rescued two of his men who had been captured and bombed and silenced an enemy machine-gun. Then he fought his way back to the main barricade and drove out a party of the enemy assembling there. Throughout four hours of heavy fighting this officer set a fine example and was last seen fighting hand-to-hand against a considerable number of the enemy
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: [...] Barry, you have used this argument a number of times already and it doesn't wash. Looking up old posts from FFL is not searching the web endlessly for any molecule of writing you have ever engaged in. You may think I am some vindictive cunt but no one has ever called me stupid and never will (unless of course you rise to the bait.) No need. Stupid vindictive cunts tend to make the case for what they are without my involvement. I refuse to descend to the level of that stupid vindictive cunt. Priceless. Learn to read, Lawson. I didn't call Ann a stupid vindictive cunt. She did that *herself* No, she didn't. She said that was what you might think. Learn to read, Barry. Stop being such a stupid vindictive cunt.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: (snip) It has been suggested here, that a person does not have full brain development until they are 25. And I think the part of the brain that is not fully developed, IIRC is that part which evaluates the future consequences of our actions. I am just putting that out there as one thing to consider. If that has been said here, it runs contrary to most literature on child-rearing. According to those authors, children develop the empathy to feel the effects of their actions on others and the ability to control actions that might negatively affect others at age six. If these guys hadn't gotten it down by their age, there is something wrong with them. End of story. Opsie! Not quite the end: The per [sic]-frontal cortex, the one we need to imagine consequences for our actions is not fully developed until 24-26. Kids in college literally do not have the hardware to always be responsible in their behavior. They lose site [sic] of the future and get lost in the present. --Curtisdeltablues, 3/8/12 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/337423 Actually, of course, there's no conflict at all between what Curtis said and what Barry says. Barry claims there is by the simple expedient of interpreting not fully developed to mean completely undeveloped. But then, he considered it entirely within his rights to distort a comment made, he assumed, by a TMer, in order to slam the purported TMer. Unfortunately, it turns out that the original comment was made by Barry's great pal, Curtis. I'm sure Curtis won't mind Barry's distortion, though. snicker
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
Ah, comes now the great insulter, plying the skill he hones on those long walks with Devi. But always, I come to the same question. I mean, with your great intellect, here you are, day after day, stuck on a cubicle farm, thinking about how lonely you are and how you might be able to score a date. Of course, I was rooting for you on this last go around. But I knew it was a lost cause, when after ten minutes you started in with the Ravi Guru routine and told her how she wasting her time on meditation. Did you notice how things changed at that point? I didn't think so, you were so busy talking. Talk, talk. Talk, talk, talk. Nithyananda this, Nithydananday that, Satnam Sing this, Satnam Sing that. Did you notice her eyes gloss over? Did you notice her foot tapping nervously, and her frozen smile, broken only by an forced laugh at your awkward attempt at humor? Oops, suddenly she got that text message and had to leave. Hang in there Rav. Until you get a life, you can keep working the insult angle. You need something to keep busy. (-: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Feeling the heat dear Steve..LOL. You probably think MJ is dumber than you - not that I disagree mind you. Anyway it's good to finally see someone after 3 years, threatening to usurp your position - I am loving it. I'm still rooting for you though, but remember MJ's from South Carolina - he's got the history, culture, genes on his side, so you need to be on the top of your game, tighten it up a bit, take it up a notch, insert any other favorite cliche of yours here. And yes, in case you were wondering, I do love ya like brother. On Mar 19, 2013, at 12:39 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: Michael, my friend, I am afraid you are losing it. Or is it lost it. I'm not sure. But listen, I have just the solution. This posting stuff is obviously taking its toll. Take a break for a few days. Maybe until, say, Friday evening. Whaddya think? You'll thank me, you'll bless me. And hey, really, I enjoyed hearing about your wonderful childhood. The one thing you left out was anything about your schooling. You did attend school, right. Well, of course you did. Sorry about that. But did you take any courses that dealt with analytical thinking. What? You didn't. Well no worries. Many here say it's not my strong suit either. But one starting point may be to try to remove any obvious biases from your thinking. When you come to every situation with a fixed mindset, it sort of closes the door on any opportunity to learn something. And yes, in case you were wondering, I do love ya like brother --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Every exchange like this just reinforces my belief that long term TM makes ones brain turn into mush and removes the ability to think clearly. How many times do you hear reporters give a show of hand wringing over the fate of convicted rapists? A reporters job is to report the facts, not commiserate with the criminals - in no way shape or form was Crowley's remarks objective and the other reporters were even worse. Yeah Poppy Harlow started it - could Crowley not have used her TM enhanced Creative Intelligence to say Hey what are you doing Poppy!?! The standard of conduct I was referring to in my other post has nothing to do with 1950's - Jesus you people are beyond hope - its no wonder Turq cusses you out from time to time. Your attitude seems to be - Oh Candy is a TM'er and so anything she does is beyond reproach - you people really are screwed up. Take a look at what the non-TM world thinks of this crap: CNN's unconscionable coverage of the Steubenville Rape Case verdict is pissing everyone off. Newscaster Candy Crowley, general correspondent Poppy Harlow, and legal expert Paul Callan all did their very best to focus solely on the guilty verdict's repercussions on the two rapists. There's next to no coverage of the girl who was brutally raped; instead, they talk almost exclusively of the rapistsâ⬠the two teenagers who had such bright futures, and now their lives are completely ruined from this one little indiscretion. Isn't it a shame how they suffer? http://jezebel.com/5991018/heres-what-cnn-shouldve-said-about-the-steube\ nville-rape-case From: Share Long sharelong60@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars à Thank you for this balanced view, Steve.à It helped me clarify my own thoughts and feelings about it.à Isn't it usually the news director who chooses the angle of a news story?à I thought Crowley's intro of the reporter was objective.à It was the reporter Harlow who was initially sympathetic to the 2
[FairfieldLife] Free Man In Paris, v2.00
[https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/188956_452369191\ 497990_730757480_n.jpg] Marek's recent post (forwarded by Curtis) was such a classic example of finding the extraordinary in the ordinary that it (and discovering that this cafe I'm sitting in has free WiFi) has tempted me to write something about *my* ordinary life. I'm currently in a very nice cafe in the Butte aux Cailles near where I work, a fun village within a city that is being referred to in tourist publications as the new Montmartre. It's a fun area, full of ordinary Parisians living their lives as if they were extraordinary. And why the fuck not? Believer or non-believer, so-called spiritual or non-spiritual, NONE of us knows fersure whether there is any life after this one, so why not enjoy this one as if it were the only one possible *to* enjoy? To do otherwise seems folly to me. It seems that way to a lot of Parisians as well. They might actually be Christians or of some other persuasion that believes that there is an afterlife, but that's...uh...after life. And the afterlife's very existence is a matter of belief, not fact. This life -- here and now -- is fact. One can either use it or lose it. I consider myself fortunate these last few days since I arrived in Paris to be sharing them with folks who prefer to use them rather than lose them. At work, I'm surrounded by an American guy and a Brit guy in their fifties, and a couple of French interns who are in their early twenties. It makes for an interesting dynamic. The women are model-thin and lovely, but rather than fritter away *all* of their todays on frivolities, they enrolled in a university course to teach them about Information Architecture, and now they're working for one of the leading computer companies in the world, and digging it. Both are incredibly bright and motivated, and best of all, they laugh a lot. So do the two older guys, so I'm fortunate in my work crew. My playtime crew is just as diverse, but on the whole just as happy. I've seen none of the classic Parisian depression on this trip so far, only joie de vivre. In this cafe there are tables of French people discussing art or sports or literature or TV personalities or philosophy, the common denominator amongst all of them is that they seem to all be having a good time. Being French, they don't overdrink, meaning that I cannot detect a drunk person in the joint. They just sip at their wines and their beers and enjoy them, not chug them for the purpose (like the Brits) of getting drunk and losing their inhibitions. My take on that is that the French simply have fewer inhibitions to lose, so they can enjoy their beverages for the taste, and not treat them as a drug, or a means to an end. The crowd is also ethnically diverse. There are North Africans here, and Chinese (Butte aux Cailles being next door to one of Paris' Chinatowns) and Vietnamese and Arabs and even a few French-bread French. And they don't seem to have any problem with all of them being French. I see that in the Netherlands as well, but here it's more laid back, as if tolerance were not just politically correct, but Just How Things Are Done. Me, right now I'm the guy in the corner sitting at a small table and typing on his laptop. When I finish this post I'll close up the computer and join in some of the conversations, my French coming back to me far more rapidly than I imagined. Interestingly, I find myself *thinking* in French most of the time, and having to internally translate back to English. Go figure. That hasn't happened for me yet in Dutch. As for other differences between Paris and the Netherlands, I would have to say that the primary one that strikes me is a difference in the comfort that French people seem to have with their sexuality. In the Netherlands, people may be liberal, but they kinda pull it in. People rarely catch your eye and hold it flirtingly there; instead they tend to open up only after some period of getting to know you. Here, things are more open and immediate. Spring is not really here yet, but it's coming, and people can feel it, and seem to be already responding to the increased pheromone count in the air. As an example, this was the first poster I saw on my first walk around town. [http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8093/8572121285_a0c9152054.jpg] Anyway, I'm enjoying myself. Sorry to say that to those on this forum who were hoping that I wouldn't. And you *all* know that there are a few here who fall into that category. Fuck 'em. How are *they* spending their ordinary here-and-now days and nights? What can *they* find to write about them?
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: It has been suggested here, that a person does not have full brain development until they are 25. And I think the part of the brain that is not fully developed, IIRC is that part which evaluates the future consequences of our actions. I am just putting that out there as one thing to consider. Yes I see that has been mentioned here. There must be something wrong with my brain though, 'cos this idea seems to me to be off-the-wall bonkers beyond belief. Do you *really* believe this? Really? Einstein published his first paper at the age of 22. It was on Conclusions from the Capillarity Phenomena - But his brain had not yet reached the stage where it evaluates the future consequences of our actions? Why would his brain have had to be fully developed to write a scientific paper? Well it's not clear to me what a brain's being fully developed means. But it seems to me to be a reasonable starting point to suppose that being able to get published qualifies prima facie. Then again perhaps it was 23 year old war hero Frank Edward Young (VC)'s brain that was at fault: On 18 September 1918 south-east of Havrincourt, France, during an enemy counter-attack and throughout intense enemy fire, Second Lieutenant Young visited all posts, warned the garrisons and encouraged the men. In the early stages of the attack he rescued two of his men who had been captured and bombed and silenced an enemy machine-gun. Then he fought his way back to the main barricade and drove out a party of the enemy assembling there. Throughout four hours of heavy fighting this officer set a fine example and was last seen fighting hand-to-hand against a considerable number of the enemy Why do you think a 'not fully' developed brain is at fault? Well I don't (of course). This person's brain (if we are to talk this way) seems to have been capable of the highest functions. A counter-example to the brain theory we are considering here? Yet there is a response: Perhaps Frank Edward Young's bravery and heroism can be explained away in our brave new world of brain- talk. If only he had been twenty five he would have had sufficient cc's of grey matter to have understood the consequences of his actions. He could have laid low instead of rushing about getting shot at* (it seems we are to suppose that neither Einstein nor Young had the presence of mind/brain to realise that if you stick your head above the parapet the consequence of the action is that you come under fire). In other words these qualities of courage and bravery are a brain defect. They can be explained away. No doubt I am missing something of the theory I am criticising. But I'm just calling it as I see it. * As I think I would have done at any stage of my brain's development. Which suggests that even when puny, my brain had enough horsepower to make calculations of the form If I do x, y is likely to happen.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
Yes very sad, lonely, depressed. Very funny but try again. How does a giver become poor - doesn't add up dude. On Mar 19, 2013, at 2:22 PM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Ah, comes now the great insulter, plying the skill he hones on those long walks with Devi. But always, I come to the same question. I mean, with your great intellect, here you are, day after day, stuck on a cubicle farm, thinking about how lonely you are and how you might be able to score a date. Of course, I was rooting for you on this last go around. But I knew it was a lost cause, when after ten minutes you started in with the Ravi Guru routine and told her how she wasting her time on meditation. Did you notice how things changed at that point? I didn't think so, you were so busy talking. Talk, talk. Talk, talk, talk. Nithyananda this, Nithydananday that, Satnam Sing this, Satnam Sing that. Did you notice her eyes gloss over? Did you notice her foot tapping nervously, and her frozen smile, broken only by an forced laugh at your awkward attempt at humor? Oops, suddenly she got that text message and had to leave. Hang in there Rav. Until you get a life, you can keep working the insult angle. You need something to keep busy. (-: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Feeling the heat dear Steve..LOL. You probably think MJ is dumber than you - not that I disagree mind you. Anyway it's good to finally see someone after 3 years, threatening to usurp your position - I am loving it. I'm still rooting for you though, but remember MJ's from South Carolina - he's got the history, culture, genes on his side, so you need to be on the top of your game, tighten it up a bit, take it up a notch, insert any other favorite cliche of yours here. And yes, in case you were wondering, I do love ya like brother. On Mar 19, 2013, at 12:39 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: Michael, my friend, I am afraid you are losing it. Or is it lost it. I'm not sure. But listen, I have just the solution. This posting stuff is obviously taking its toll. Take a break for a few days. Maybe until, say, Friday evening. Whaddya think? You'll thank me, you'll bless me. And hey, really, I enjoyed hearing about your wonderful childhood. The one thing you left out was anything about your schooling. You did attend school, right. Well, of course you did. Sorry about that. But did you take any courses that dealt with analytical thinking. What? You didn't. Well no worries. Many here say it's not my strong suit either. But one starting point may be to try to remove any obvious biases from your thinking. When you come to every situation with a fixed mindset, it sort of closes the door on any opportunity to learn something. And yes, in case you were wondering, I do love ya like brother --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Every exchange like this just reinforces my belief that long term TM makes ones brain turn into mush and removes the ability to think clearly. How many times do you hear reporters give a show of hand wringing over the fate of convicted rapists? A reporters job is to report the facts, not commiserate with the criminals - in no way shape or form was Crowley's remarks objective and the other reporters were even worse. Yeah Poppy Harlow started it - could Crowley not have used her TM enhanced Creative Intelligence to say Hey what are you doing Poppy!?! The standard of conduct I was referring to in my other post has nothing to do with 1950's - Jesus you people are beyond hope - its no wonder Turq cusses you out from time to time. Your attitude seems to be - Oh Candy is a TM'er and so anything she does is beyond reproach - you people really are screwed up. Take a look at what the non-TM world thinks of this crap: CNN's unconscionable coverage of the Steubenville Rape Case verdict is pissing everyone off. Newscaster Candy Crowley, general correspondent Poppy Harlow, and legal expert Paul Callan all did their very best to focus solely on the guilty verdict's repercussions on the two rapists. There's next to no coverage of the girl who was brutally raped; instead, they talk almost exclusively of the rapists†the two teenagers who had such bright futures, and now their lives are completely ruined from this one little indiscretion. Isn't it a shame how they suffer? http://jezebel.com/5991018/heres-what-cnn-shouldve-said-about-the-steubenville-rape-case From: Share Long sharelong60@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Free Man In Paris, v2.00
On 03/19/2013 02:25 PM, turquoiseb wrote: My playtime crew is just as diverse, but on the whole just as happy. I've seen none of the classic Parisian depression on this trip so far, only joie de vivre. In this cafe there are tables of French people discussing art or sports or literature or TV personalities or philosophy, the common denominator amongst all of them is that they seem to all be having a good time. Being French, they don't overdrink, meaning that I cannot detect a drunk person in the joint. They just sip at their wines and their beers and enjoy them, not chug them for the purpose (like the Brits) of getting drunk and losing their inhibitions. My take on that is that the French simply have fewer inhibitions to lose, so they can enjoy their beverages for the taste, and not treat them as a drug, or a means to an end. The crowd is also ethnically diverse. There are North Africans here, and Chinese (Butte aux Cailles being next door to one of Paris' Chinatowns) and Vietnamese and Arabs and even a few French-bread French. And they don't seem to have any problem with all of them being French. I see that in the Netherlands as well, but here it's more laid back, as if tolerance were not just politically correct, but Just How Things Are Done. Me, right now I'm the guy in the corner sitting at a small table and typing on his laptop. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPmllQDYRMI#t=85s
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: snip Very funny but try again. How does a giver become poor - doesn't add up dude. Don't think I said that dude.Your giving is well documented.But you have chosen insults to be your main form of your interaction here. I admit, you are good at it. And if that's where you want to hang your hat, they you can be proud of your achievements. And really, I don't know how you stand down from that, and,-you know, relate man to man, or man to woman. You're a specialist. A hired insulter from the Bengal State. (don't know if it's true, but it sounded good) You're Django, (and the D is silent) Wait, she got the girl in the end. Maybe your story will have a happy ending too. Lord knows it's had plenty of fireworks! (where is that rascal anyway - LK?) On Mar 19, 2013, at 2:22 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: Ah, comes now the great insulter, plying the skill he hones on those long walks with Devi. But always, I come to the same question. I mean, with your great intellect, here you are, day after day, stuck on a cubicle farm, thinking about how lonely you are and how you might be able to score a date. Of course, I was rooting for you on this last go around. But I knew it was a lost cause, when after ten minutes you started in with the Ravi Guru routine and told her how she wasting her time on meditation. Did you notice how things changed at that point? I didn't think so, you were so busy talking. Talk, talk. Talk, talk, talk. Nithyananda this, Nithydananday that, Satnam Sing this, Satnam Sing that. Did you notice her eyes gloss over? Did you notice her foot tapping nervously, and her frozen smile, broken only by an forced laugh at your awkward attempt at humor? Oops, suddenly she got that text message and had to leave. Hang in there Rav. Until you get a life, you can keep working the insult angle. You need something to keep busy. (-: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Feeling the heat dear Steve..LOL. You probably think MJ is dumber than you - not that I disagree mind you. Anyway it's good to finally see someone after 3 years, threatening to usurp your position - I am loving it. I'm still rooting for you though, but remember MJ's from South Carolina - he's got the history, culture, genes on his side, so you need to be on the top of your game, tighten it up a bit, take it up a notch, insert any other favorite cliche of yours here. And yes, in case you were wondering, I do love ya like brother. On Mar 19, 2013, at 12:39 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Michael, my friend, I am afraid you are losing it. Or is it lost it. I'm not sure. But listen, I have just the solution. This posting stuff is obviously taking its toll. Take a break for a few days. Maybe until, say, Friday evening. Whaddya think? You'll thank me, you'll bless me. And hey, really, I enjoyed hearing about your wonderful childhood. The one thing you left out was anything about your schooling. You did attend school, right. Well, of course you did. Sorry about that. But did you take any courses that dealt with analytical thinking. What? You didn't. Well no worries. Many here say it's not my strong suit either. But one starting point may be to try to remove any obvious biases from your thinking. When you come to every situation with a fixed mindset, it sort of closes the door on any opportunity to learn something. And yes, in case you were wondering, I do love ya like brother --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Every exchange like this just reinforces my belief that long term TM makes ones brain turn into mush and removes the ability to think clearly. How many times do you hear reporters give a show of hand wringing over the fate of convicted rapists? A reporters job is to report the facts, not commiserate with the criminals - in no way shape or form was Crowley's remarks objective and the other reporters were even worse. Yeah Poppy Harlow started it - could Crowley not have used her TM enhanced Creative Intelligence to say Hey what are you doing Poppy!?! The standard of conduct I was referring to in my other post has nothing to do with 1950's - Jesus you people are beyond hope - its no wonder Turq cusses you out from time to time. Your attitude seems to be - Oh Candy is a TM'er and so anything she does is beyond reproach - you people really are screwed up. Take a look at what the non-TM world thinks of this crap: CNN's unconscionable coverage of the Steubenville Rape Case verdict is pissing everyone off. Newscaster Candy Crowley, general correspondent Poppy Harlow, and legal expert Paul Callan all did their very best to focus solely
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Every exchange like this just reinforces my belief that long term TM makes ones brain turn into mush and removes the ability to think clearly. Right, Michael, you're obviously the clear-thinking one here. Too bad you haven't been able to address a single one of the points that have been made. Too bad you can only make your case by wildly exaggerating what was said in that clip. How many times do you hear reporters give a show of hand wringing over the fate of convicted rapists? Is that what they were doing? Or were they deliberately emphasizing how bad the consequences were going to be for these boys *as a warning* to other boys who might be tempted to engage in similar misbehavior? As in: This was a crime, and these guys are going to suffer for it the rest of their lives. You don't want to end up like them. A reporters job is to report the facts, not commiserate with the criminals Neither of them was commiserating with the criminals. That's insane. (snip) Your attitude seems to be - Oh Candy is a TM'er and so anything she does is beyond reproach - you people really are screwed up. No, buster, that you would think any of us had that attitude is what's really screwed up. Take a look at what the non-TM world thinks of this crap: CNN's unconscionable coverage of the Steubenville Rape Case verdict is pissing everyone off. For the record, there were seven segments on CNN on Sunday about the verdict, not just the breaking-news item, which is what all the fuss is about. You can check out transcripts of all the segments here: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/2013.03.17.html Interestingly, in the breaking-news item, following the appearance of the legal expert, Crowley and Harlow continued their discussion. Here's the transcript of that portion of the breaking-news item (which was not included in the clip): - CROWLEY: Paul, thanks. I want to bring Poppy back in -- because, Poppy, there's -- you know, the 16-year-old victim, her life, never the same, again. And I understand you have been talking to some of the families involved. HARLOW: Her life never the same again. Absolutely, Candy. The last thing she wanted to do was sit on that stand and testify. She didn't want to bring these charges. She said it was up to her parents. But I want to tell our viewers about a statement that her mother just made, just made in the court after the sentencing. Her mother just said that she has pity on the two young boys that did this. She said human compassion is not taught by teachers or coaches. It's a God-given gift, saying that you displayed a lack of compassion, a lack of moral code, saying that you were your own accuser throughout this for posting about this all over social media. And she said she takes pity on them. As far as her daughter, she said she will persevere, she will get through this. But the words of an angry mother who now has a sentence, that I believe she would consider or a verdict, just -- Candy. CROWLEY: CNN's Poppy Harlow, thank you. Also to our legal contributor Paul Callan. Of course, we will be following this story throughout the day. - And they did. But the jezebel.com post says: Newscaster Candy Crowley, general correspondent Poppy Harlow, and legal expert Paul Callan all did their very best to focus solely on the guilty verdict's repercussions on the two rapists. There's next to no coverage of the girl who was brutally raped; instead, they talk almost exclusively of the rapistsâ the two teenagers who had such bright futures, and now their lives are completely ruined from this one little indiscretion. Isn't it a shame how they suffer? This is simply not true, as you can see from the transcript above. I read the transcripts of a couple of the later segments on Sunday on the verdict, and it isn't true of them either. As I said, I'm not a fan of Crowley. But she has been treated unfairly in this discussion for the purpose of advancing an anti-TM agenda. And I think that stinks.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
Right that's acceptable dear Steve, your concerns well articulated and thank you for wishing a happy ending - whatever that means. That 16 years of working in offices, cubicles, 4 years of single life and a belief system I am eager to peddle is causing me to insult you here on FFL is a fiction of yours. On Mar 19, 2013, at 2:54 PM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: snip Very funny but try again. How does a giver become poor - doesn't add up dude. Don't think I said that dude.Your giving is well documented.But you have chosen insults to be your main form of your interaction here. I admit, you are good at it. And if that's where you want to hang your hat, they you can be proud of your achievements. And really, I don't know how you stand down from that, and,-you know, relate man to man, or man to woman. You're a specialist. A hired insulter from the Bengal State. (don't know if it's true, but it sounded good) You're Django, (and the D is silent) Wait, she got the girl in the end. Maybe your story will have a happy ending too. Lord knows it's had plenty of fireworks! (where is that rascal anyway - LK?) On Mar 19, 2013, at 2:22 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: Ah, comes now the great insulter, plying the skill he hones on those long walks with Devi. But always, I come to the same question. I mean, with your great intellect, here you are, day after day, stuck on a cubicle farm, thinking about how lonely you are and how you might be able to score a date. Of course, I was rooting for you on this last go around. But I knew it was a lost cause, when after ten minutes you started in with the Ravi Guru routine and told her how she wasting her time on meditation. Did you notice how things changed at that point? I didn't think so, you were so busy talking. Talk, talk. Talk, talk, talk. Nithyananda this, Nithydananday that, Satnam Sing this, Satnam Sing that. Did you notice her eyes gloss over? Did you notice her foot tapping nervously, and her frozen smile, broken only by an forced laugh at your awkward attempt at humor? Oops, suddenly she got that text message and had to leave. Hang in there Rav. Until you get a life, you can keep working the insult angle. You need something to keep busy. (-: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Feeling the heat dear Steve..LOL. You probably think MJ is dumber than you - not that I disagree mind you. Anyway it's good to finally see someone after 3 years, threatening to usurp your position - I am loving it. I'm still rooting for you though, but remember MJ's from South Carolina - he's got the history, culture, genes on his side, so you need to be on the top of your game, tighten it up a bit, take it up a notch, insert any other favorite cliche of yours here. And yes, in case you were wondering, I do love ya like brother. On Mar 19, 2013, at 12:39 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Michael, my friend, I am afraid you are losing it. Or is it lost it. I'm not sure. But listen, I have just the solution. This posting stuff is obviously taking its toll. Take a break for a few days. Maybe until, say, Friday evening. Whaddya think? You'll thank me, you'll bless me. And hey, really, I enjoyed hearing about your wonderful childhood. The one thing you left out was anything about your schooling. You did attend school, right. Well, of course you did. Sorry about that. But did you take any courses that dealt with analytical thinking. What? You didn't. Well no worries. Many here say it's not my strong suit either. But one starting point may be to try to remove any obvious biases from your thinking. When you come to every situation with a fixed mindset, it sort of closes the door on any opportunity to learn something. And yes, in case you were wondering, I do love ya like brother --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Every exchange like this just reinforces my belief that long term TM makes ones brain turn into mush and removes the ability to think clearly. How many times do you hear reporters give a show of hand wringing over the fate of convicted rapists? A reporters job is to report the facts, not commiserate with the criminals - in no way shape or form was Crowley's remarks objective and the other reporters were even worse. Yeah Poppy Harlow started it - could Crowley not have used her TM enhanced Creative Intelligence
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
Yeah all this just reiterates that MJ may be a nice guy but he is totally idiotic, emotionally stunted, delusional even to use this incredibly distressing, painful rape incident - complex in its conception and implications to peddle his anti-TM paranoia. He's definitely crossed all limits here. On Mar 19, 2013, at 3:44 PM, authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Every exchange like this just reinforces my belief that long term TM makes ones brain turn into mush and removes the ability to think clearly. Right, Michael, you're obviously the clear-thinking one here. Too bad you haven't been able to address a single one of the points that have been made. Too bad you can only make your case by wildly exaggerating what was said in that clip. How many times do you hear reporters give a show of hand wringing over the fate of convicted rapists? Is that what they were doing? Or were they deliberately emphasizing how bad the consequences were going to be for these boys *as a warning* to other boys who might be tempted to engage in similar misbehavior? As in: This was a crime, and these guys are going to suffer for it the rest of their lives. You don't want to end up like them. A reporters job is to report the facts, not commiserate with the criminals Neither of them was commiserating with the criminals. That's insane. (snip) Your attitude seems to be - Oh Candy is a TM'er and so anything she does is beyond reproach - you people really are screwed up. No, buster, that you would think any of us had that attitude is what's really screwed up. Take a look at what the non-TM world thinks of this crap: CNN's unconscionable coverage of the Steubenville Rape Case verdict is pissing everyone off. For the record, there were seven segments on CNN on Sunday about the verdict, not just the breaking-news item, which is what all the fuss is about. You can check out transcripts of all the segments here: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/2013.03.17.html Interestingly, in the breaking-news item, following the appearance of the legal expert, Crowley and Harlow continued their discussion. Here's the transcript of that portion of the breaking-news item (which was not included in the clip): - CROWLEY: Paul, thanks. I want to bring Poppy back in -- because, Poppy, there's -- you know, the 16-year-old victim, her life, never the same, again. And I understand you have been talking to some of the families involved. HARLOW: Her life never the same again. Absolutely, Candy. The last thing she wanted to do was sit on that stand and testify. She didn't want to bring these charges. She said it was up to her parents. But I want to tell our viewers about a statement that her mother just made, just made in the court after the sentencing. Her mother just said that she has pity on the two young boys that did this. She said human compassion is not taught by teachers or coaches. It's a God-given gift, saying that you displayed a lack of compassion, a lack of moral code, saying that you were your own accuser throughout this for posting about this all over social media. And she said she takes pity on them. As far as her daughter, she said she will persevere, she will get through this. But the words of an angry mother who now has a sentence, that I believe she would consider or a verdict, just -- Candy. CROWLEY: CNN's Poppy Harlow, thank you. Also to our legal contributor Paul Callan. Of course, we will be following this story throughout the day. - And they did. But the jezebel.com post says: Newscaster Candy Crowley, general correspondent Poppy Harlow, and legal expert Paul Callan all did their very best to focus solely on the guilty verdict's repercussions on the two rapists. There's next to no coverage of the girl who was brutally raped; instead, they talk almost exclusively of the rapists†the two teenagers who had such bright futures, and now their lives are completely ruined from this one little indiscretion. Isn't it a shame how they suffer? This is simply not true, as you can see from the transcript above. I read the transcripts of a couple of the later segments on Sunday on the verdict, and it isn't true of them either. As I said, I'm not a fan of Crowley. But she has been treated unfairly in this discussion for the purpose of advancing an anti-TM agenda. And I think that stinks.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Man In Paris, v2.00
This quote by whom?I figured that if I said it often enough, I would convince the world that I really was the greatest - uuuhh -not who you may think : that's Muhammad Ali [https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-U9cQIXWo_g0/UEH0y3F3ZoI/zQA/\ 2od3drdo4K8/s253/12+-+1] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 03/19/2013 02:25 PM, turquoiseb wrote: My playtime crew is just as diverse, but on the whole just as happy. I've seen none of the classic Parisian depression on this trip so far, only joie de vivre. In this cafe there are tables of French people discussing art or sports or literature or TV personalities or philosophy, the common denominator amongst all of them is that they seem to all be having a good time. Being French, they don't overdrink, meaning that I cannot detect a drunk person in the joint. They just sip at their wines and their beers and enjoy them, not chug them for the purpose (like the Brits) of getting drunk and losing their inhibitions. My take on that is that the French simply have fewer inhibitions to lose, so they can enjoy their beverages for the taste, and not treat them as a drug, or a means to an end. The crowd is also ethnically diverse. There are North Africans here, and Chinese (Butte aux Cailles being next door to one of Paris' Chinatowns) and Vietnamese and Arabs and even a few French-bread French. And they don't seem to have any problem with all of them being French. I see that in the Netherlands as well, but here it's more laid back, as if tolerance were not just politically correct, but Just How Things Are Done. Me, right now I'm the guy in the corner sitting at a small table and typing on his laptop. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPmllQDYRMI#t=85s
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
Hey Judy thank you so much for posting the end of the exchange between Crowley and Harlow. Again I would guess that it was the news director or CNN execs who cut that segment out of the report. In that case I'd say their worst crime was bad judgement. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 5:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Every exchange like this just reinforces my belief that long term TM makes ones brain turn into mush and removes the ability to think clearly. Right, Michael, you're obviously the clear-thinking one here. Too bad you haven't been able to address a single one of the points that have been made. Too bad you can only make your case by wildly exaggerating what was said in that clip. How many times do you hear reporters give a show of hand wringing over the fate of convicted rapists? Is that what they were doing? Or were they deliberately emphasizing how bad the consequences were going to be for these boys *as a warning* to other boys who might be tempted to engage in similar misbehavior? As in: This was a crime, and these guys are going to suffer for it the rest of their lives. You don't want to end up like them. A reporters job is to report the facts, not commiserate with the criminals Neither of them was commiserating with the criminals. That's insane. (snip) Your attitude seems to be - Oh Candy is a TM'er and so anything she does is beyond reproach - you people really are screwed up. No, buster, that you would think any of us had that attitude is what's really screwed up. Take a look at what the non-TM world thinks of this crap: CNN's unconscionable coverage of the Steubenville Rape Case verdict is pissing everyone off. For the record, there were seven segments on CNN on Sunday about the verdict, not just the breaking-news item, which is what all the fuss is about. You can check out transcripts of all the segments here: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/2013.03.17.html Interestingly, in the breaking-news item, following the appearance of the legal expert, Crowley and Harlow continued their discussion. Here's the transcript of that portion of the breaking-news item (which was not included in the clip): - CROWLEY: Paul, thanks. I want to bring Poppy back in -- because, Poppy, there's -- you know, the 16-year-old victim, her life, never the same, again. And I understand you have been talking to some of the families involved. HARLOW: Her life never the same again. Absolutely, Candy. The last thing she wanted to do was sit on that stand and testify. She didn't want to bring these charges. She said it was up to her parents. But I want to tell our viewers about a statement that her mother just made, just made in the court after the sentencing. Her mother just said that she has pity on the two young boys that did this. She said human compassion is not taught by teachers or coaches. It's a God-given gift, saying that you displayed a lack of compassion, a lack of moral code, saying that you were your own accuser throughout this for posting about this all over social media. And she said she takes pity on them. As far as her daughter, she said she will persevere, she will get through this. But the words of an angry mother who now has a sentence, that I believe she would consider or a verdict, just -- Candy. CROWLEY: CNN's Poppy Harlow, thank you. Also to our legal contributor Paul Callan. Of course, we will be following this story throughout the day. - And they did. But the jezebel.com post says: Newscaster Candy Crowley, general correspondent Poppy Harlow, and legal expert Paul Callan all did their very best to focus solely on the guilty verdict's repercussions on the two rapists. There's next to no coverage of the girl who was brutally raped; instead, they talk almost exclusively of the rapists†the two teenagers who had such bright futures, and now their lives are completely ruined from this one little indiscretion. Isn't it a shame how they suffer? This is simply not true, as you can see from the transcript above. I read the transcripts of a couple of the later segments on Sunday on the verdict, and it isn't true of them either. As I said, I'm not a fan of Crowley. But she has been treated unfairly in this discussion for the purpose of advancing an anti-TM agenda. And I think that stinks.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Right that's acceptable dear Steve, your concerns well articulated and thank you for wishing a happy ending - whatever that means. That 16 years of working in offices, cubicles, 4 years of single life and a belief system I am eager to peddle is causing me to insult you here on FFL is a fiction of yours. You're moving closer to a first step, and that's a good thing. We can do this. Keepa coming. On Mar 19, 2013, at 2:54 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: snip Very funny but try again. How does a giver become poor - doesn't add up dude. Don't think I said that dude.Your giving is well documented.But you have chosen insults to be your main form of your interaction here. I admit, you are good at it. And if that's where you want to hang your hat, they you can be proud of your achievements. And really, I don't know how you stand down from that, and,-you know, relate man to man, or man to woman. You're a specialist. A hired insulter from the Bengal State. (don't know if it's true, but it sounded good) You're Django, (and the D is silent) Wait, she got the girl in the end. Maybe your story will have a happy ending too. Lord knows it's had plenty of fireworks! (where is that rascal anyway - LK?) On Mar 19, 2013, at 2:22 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Ah, comes now the great insulter, plying the skill he hones on those long walks with Devi. But always, I come to the same question. I mean, with your great intellect, here you are, day after day, stuck on a cubicle farm, thinking about how lonely you are and how you might be able to score a date. Of course, I was rooting for you on this last go around. But I knew it was a lost cause, when after ten minutes you started in with the Ravi Guru routine and told her how she wasting her time on meditation. Did you notice how things changed at that point? I didn't think so, you were so busy talking. Talk, talk. Talk, talk, talk. Nithyananda this, Nithydananday that, Satnam Sing this, Satnam Sing that. Did you notice her eyes gloss over? Did you notice her foot tapping nervously, and her frozen smile, broken only by an forced laugh at your awkward attempt at humor? Oops, suddenly she got that text message and had to leave. Hang in there Rav. Until you get a life, you can keep working the insult angle. You need something to keep busy. (-: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Feeling the heat dear Steve..LOL. You probably think MJ is dumber than you - not that I disagree mind you. Anyway it's good to finally see someone after 3 years, threatening to usurp your position - I am loving it. I'm still rooting for you though, but remember MJ's from South Carolina - he's got the history, culture, genes on his side, so you need to be on the top of your game, tighten it up a bit, take it up a notch, insert any other favorite cliche of yours here. And yes, in case you were wondering, I do love ya like brother. On Mar 19, 2013, at 12:39 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Michael, my friend, I am afraid you are losing it. Or is it lost it. I'm not sure. But listen, I have just the solution. This posting stuff is obviously taking its toll. Take a break for a few days. Maybe until, say, Friday evening. Whaddya think? You'll thank me, you'll bless me. And hey, really, I enjoyed hearing about your wonderful childhood. The one thing you left out was anything about your schooling. You did attend school, right. Well, of course you did. Sorry about that. But did you take any courses that dealt with analytical thinking. What? You didn't. Well no worries. Many here say it's not my strong suit either. But one starting point may be to try to remove any obvious biases from your thinking. When you come to every situation with a fixed mindset, it sort of closes the door on any opportunity to learn something. And yes, in case you were wondering, I do love ya like brother --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Every exchange like this just reinforces my belief that long term TM makes ones brain turn into mush and removes the ability to think clearly. How many times do you hear reporters give a show of hand wringing over the fate of convicted rapists? A reporters
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Man In Paris, v2.00
yeah: Repetition Is The Mother Of Retention but OTHO if this motherly- retained-repetition is so beautiful illustrated and described as these American-in Paris-posting i do not mind - do you? [http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5469/6923691534_817081a038_q.jpg] [http://pcdn.500px.net/6720624/ec2a48d412666a3e3878c81e50222a753a83f057/\ 3.jpg] And if sometimes, on the steps of a palace or the green grass of a ditch, in the mournful solitude of your room, you wake again, drunkenness already diminishing or gone, ask the wind, the wave, the star, the bird, the clock, everything that is flying, everything that is groaning, everything that is rolling, everything that is singing, everything that is speaking. . .ask what time it is and wind, wave, star, bird, clock will answer you: It is time to be drunk! - See more at: http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/16054#sthash.ThV46WsO.dpufAnd if sometimes, on the steps of a palace or the green grass of a ditch, in the mournful solitude of your room, you wake again, drunkenness already diminishing or gone, ask the wind, the wave, the star, the bird, the clock, everything that is flying, everything that is groaning, everything that is rolling, everything that is singing, everything that is speaking. . .ask what time it is and wind, wave, star, bird, clock will answer you: It is time to be drunk! --drunk of life Get drunk on what life has to offer And if sometimes, on the steps of a palace or the green grass of a ditch, in the mournful solitude of your room, you wake again, drunkenness already diminishing or gone, ask the wind, the wave, the star, the bird, the clock, everything that is flying, everything that is groaning, everything that is rolling, everything that is singing, everything that is speaking. . .ask what time it is and wind, wave, star, bird, clock will answer you: It is time to be drunk! - See more at: http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/16054#sthash.ThV46WsO.dpuf--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: This quote by whom?I figured that if I said it often enough, I would convince the world that I really was the greatest - uuuhh -not who you may think : that's Muhammad Ali [https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-U9cQIXWo_g0/UEH0y3F3ZoI/zQA/\ \ 2od3drdo4K8/s253/12+-+1] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 03/19/2013 02:25 PM, turquoiseb wrote: My playtime crew is just as diverse, but on the whole just as happy. I've seen none of the classic Parisian depression on this trip so far, only joie de vivre. In this cafe there are tables of French people discussing art or sports or literature or TV personalities or philosophy, the common denominator amongst all of them is that they seem to all be having a good time. Being French, they don't overdrink, meaning that I cannot detect a drunk person in the joint. They just sip at their wines and their beers and enjoy them, not chug them for the purpose (like the Brits) of getting drunk and losing their inhibitions. My take on that is that the French simply have fewer inhibitions to lose, so they can enjoy their beverages for the taste, and not treat them as a drug, or a means to an end. The crowd is also ethnically diverse. There are North Africans here, and Chinese (Butte aux Cailles being next door to one of Paris' Chinatowns) and Vietnamese and Arabs and even a few French-bread French. And they don't seem to have any problem with all of them being French. I see that in the Netherlands as well, but here it's more laid back, as if tolerance were not just politically correct, but Just How Things Are Done. Me, right now I'm the guy in the corner sitting at a small table and typing on his laptop. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPmllQDYRMI#t=85s
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Every exchange like this just reinforces my belief that long term TM makes ones brain turn into mush and removes the ability to think clearly. Right, Michael, you're obviously the clear-thinking one here. Too bad you haven't been able to address a single one of the points that have been made. Too bad you can only make your case by wildly exaggerating what was said in that clip. How many times do you hear reporters give a show of hand wringing over the fate of convicted rapists? Is that what they were doing? Or were they deliberately emphasizing how bad the consequences were going to be for these boys *as a warning* to other boys who might be tempted to engage in similar misbehavior? As in: This was a crime, and these guys are going to suffer for it the rest of their lives. You don't want to end up like them. A reporters job is to report the facts, not commiserate with the criminals Neither of them was commiserating with the criminals. That's insane. (snip) Your attitude seems to be - Oh Candy is a TM'er and so anything she does is beyond reproach - you people really are screwed up. No, buster, that you would think any of us had that attitude is what's really screwed up. Take a look at what the non-TM world thinks of this crap: CNN's unconscionable coverage of the Steubenville Rape Case verdict is pissing everyone off. For the record, there were seven segments on CNN on Sunday about the verdict, not just the breaking-news item, which is what all the fuss is about. You can check out transcripts of all the segments here: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/2013.03.17.html Interestingly, in the breaking-news item, following the appearance of the legal expert, Crowley and Harlow continued their discussion. Here's the transcript of that portion of the breaking-news item (which was not included in the clip): - CROWLEY: Paul, thanks. I want to bring Poppy back in -- because, Poppy, there's -- you know, the 16-year-old victim, her life, never the same, again. And I understand you have been talking to some of the families involved. HARLOW: Her life never the same again. Absolutely, Candy. The last thing she wanted to do was sit on that stand and testify. She didn't want to bring these charges. She said it was up to her parents. But I want to tell our viewers about a statement that her mother just made, just made in the court after the sentencing. Her mother just said that she has pity on the two young boys that did this. She said human compassion is not taught by teachers or coaches. It's a God-given gift, saying that you displayed a lack of compassion, a lack of moral code, saying that you were your own accuser throughout this for posting about this all over social media. And she said she takes pity on them. As far as her daughter, she said she will persevere, she will get through this. But the words of an angry mother who now has a sentence, that I believe she would consider or a verdict, just -- Candy. CROWLEY: CNN's Poppy Harlow, thank you. Also to our legal contributor Paul Callan. Of course, we will be following this story throughout the day. - And they did. But the jezebel.com post says: Newscaster Candy Crowley, general correspondent Poppy Harlow, and legal expert Paul Callan all did their very best to focus solely on the guilty verdict's repercussions on the two rapists. There's next to no coverage of the girl who was brutally raped; instead, they talk almost exclusively of the rapistsâ the two teenagers who had such bright futures, and now their lives are completely ruined from this one little indiscretion. Isn't it a shame how they suffer? This is simply not true, as you can see from the transcript above. I read the transcripts of a couple of the later segments on Sunday on the verdict, and it isn't true of them either. As I said, I'm not a fan of Crowley. But she has been treated unfairly in this discussion for the purpose of advancing an anti-TM agenda. And I think that stinks. Unfortunately, in his zeal to denounce TM, MJ has become a bigot. He attacks Crowley simply because she is a TMer. Is that any better than attacking someone for being a Catholic, or Mormon, or a Jew? Let's suppose that someone is angry at the Catholic Church (Those priests are all child molesters!) and then finds a news presenter who happens to be Catholic and attacks them for something innocuous they said, when his real purpose is to display anti-Catholic bigotry. Poor MJ seems to be in a state of permanent rage and righteous indignation, and bigotry is the result. I wish he would go fishing or something to calm down.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Man In Paris, v2.00
yeah: Repetition Is The Mother Of Retention but OTHO if this motherly- retained-repetition is so beautiful illustrated and described as these American-in Paris-posting i do not mind - do you? [http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5469/6923691534_817081a038_q.jpg] [http://pcdn.500px.net/6720624/ec2a48d412666a3e3878c81e50222a753a83f057/\ 3.jpg] And if sometimes, on the steps of a palace or the green grass of a ditch, in the mournful solitude of your room, you wake again, drunkenness already diminishing or gone, ask the wind, the wave, the star, the bird, the clock, everything that is flying, everything that is groaning, everything that is rolling, everything that is singing, everything that is speaking. . .ask what time it is and wind, wave, star, bird, clock will answer you: It is time to be drunk! -( by Charles Baudelaire-translated by Louis Simpson - See more at: http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/16054#sthash.ThV46WsO.dpuf by Charles Baudelaire http://www.poets.org/poet.php/prmPID/607 translated by Louis Simpson http://www.poets.org/poet.php/prmPID/86 - See more at: http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/16054#sthash.ThV46WsO.dpuf)See more at: http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/16054#sthash.ThV46WsO.dpuf) It is time to be drunk! --drunk of life Get drunk on what life has to offer --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: This quote by whom?I figured that if I said it often enough, I would convince the world that I really was the greatest - uuuhh -not who you may think : that's Muhammad Ali [https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-U9cQIXWo_g0/UEH0y3F3ZoI/zQA/\ \ 2od3drdo4K8/s253/12+-+1] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 03/19/2013 02:25 PM, turquoiseb wrote: My playtime crew is just as diverse, but on the whole just as happy. I've seen none of the classic Parisian depression on this trip so far, only joie de vivre. In this cafe there are tables of French people discussing art or sports or literature or TV personalities or philosophy, the common denominator amongst all of them is that they seem to all be having a good time. Being French, they don't overdrink, meaning that I cannot detect a drunk person in the joint. They just sip at their wines and their beers and enjoy them, not chug them for the purpose (like the Brits) of getting drunk and losing their inhibitions. My take on that is that the French simply have fewer inhibitions to lose, so they can enjoy their beverages for the taste, and not treat them as a drug, or a means to an end. The crowd is also ethnically diverse. There are North Africans here, and Chinese (Butte aux Cailles being next door to one of Paris' Chinatowns) and Vietnamese and Arabs and even a few French-bread French. And they don't seem to have any problem with all of them being French. I see that in the Netherlands as well, but here it's more laid back, as if tolerance were not just politically correct, but Just How Things Are Done. Me, right now I'm the guy in the corner sitting at a small table and typing on his laptop. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPmllQDYRMI#t=85s
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: It is an interesting coincidence [sic?] that all the TM bigwigs are in India just as this comes to a head. Judy may be right: this could be part of a power-struggle in the TM organization that goes beyond just India. L Would seem that whole side of the Maharishi family could stand to be stripped of their bank accounts, fancy cars, real estate and mansions and swiftly banished to caves somewhere in penance for all the trouble they cause the larger movement with this behavior. These molestation charges seem a tip of an iceberg with a lot more bad underneath. These charges are simply really bad and create quite a vacuum in the movement. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Well it does seem by the newspaper accounts that this guy is getting caught with his hands in the cookie jar. It is going to be very interesting to see what Tony Nader and the TM movement does with this going forward. This is a very big deal that evidently was a long time in coming.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: You should know that this guy is MMY's nephew. In India, due to their belief in reincarnation, nepotism is the norm and is usually celebrated as the proper way things get done. The first Prime Minister of India was named Jawaharlal Nehru. Coincidentally, Indira Ghandi was his granddaughter, and Rajiv Ghandi was his great-grandson. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_India#Prime_Ministers The swami named in the will to succeed Gurudev was Gurudev's nephew, it turns out. Indians just assume that their relatives are the best person for the job because the cosmos chose them for it by causing them to be born as relatives of the person in power. That said, I've heard the rumors of the nephews of MMY being bad people for years. But those same rumors say that TM doesn't work, that all the research is bogus and so on. It wouldn't be surprising if some of the rumors were true. It also wouldn't be surprising if some of the rumors were false. L. We've been hearing about Girish extorting kick-backs and such around pundits in the pundit program for some long time. I would not want to be the Westerners wading into figure out what is going on in the workings of the TM movement there. Sociopaths are not likely to put capable honorable people around them either. For as big as it is this is going to be extremely complicated for Tony and the board of trustees to manage. I'd really fear for their safety if and when they go over there to help straighten it out. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: [...] Given that perspective by people who knew him when, how did he come to run the hugely lucrative TMO India? And why didn't people speak up? (Maybe they did but we would never know). Why did the American Rajas over there put up with this crap all these years? Surely they must have seen and sensed that things were not right.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Hey Judy thank you so much for posting the end of the exchange between Crowley and Harlow. Again I would guess that it was the news director or CNN execs who cut that segment out of the report. In that case I'd say their worst crime was bad judgement. It wasn't cut out of the report. Not sure what you're talking about. From: authfriend authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 5:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Every exchange like this just reinforces my belief that long term TM makes ones brain turn into mush and removes the ability to think clearly. Right, Michael, you're obviously the clear-thinking one here. Too bad you haven't been able to address a single one of the points that have been made. Too bad you can only make your case by wildly exaggerating what was said in that clip. How many times do you hear reporters give a show of hand wringing over the fate of convicted rapists? Is that what they were doing? Or were they deliberately emphasizing how bad the consequences were going to be for these boys *as a warning* to other boys who might be tempted to engage in similar misbehavior? As in: This was a crime, and these guys are going to suffer for it the rest of their lives. You don't want to end up like them. A reporters job is to report the facts, not commiserate with the criminals Neither of them was commiserating with the criminals. That's insane. (snip) Your attitude seems to be - Oh Candy is a TM'er and so anything she does is beyond reproach - you people really are screwed up. No, buster, that you would think any of us had that attitude is what's really screwed up. Take a look at what the non-TM world thinks of this crap: CNN's unconscionable coverage of the Steubenville Rape Case verdict is pissing everyone off. For the record, there were seven segments on CNN on Sunday about the verdict, not just the breaking-news item, which is what all the fuss is about. You can check out transcripts of all the segments here: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/2013.03.17.html Interestingly, in the breaking-news item, following the appearance of the legal expert, Crowley and Harlow continued their discussion. Here's the transcript of that portion of the breaking-news item (which was not included in the clip): - CROWLEY: Paul, thanks. I want to bring Poppy back in -- because, Poppy, there's -- you know, the 16-year-old victim, her life, never the same, again. And I understand you have been talking to some of the families involved. HARLOW: Her life never the same again. Absolutely, Candy. The last thing she wanted to do was sit on that stand and testify. She didn't want to bring these charges. She said it was up to her parents. But I want to tell our viewers about a statement that her mother just made, just made in the court after the sentencing. Her mother just said that she has pity on the two young boys that did this. She said human compassion is not taught by teachers or coaches. It's a God-given gift, saying that you displayed a lack of compassion, a lack of moral code, saying that you were your own accuser throughout this for posting about this all over social media. And she said she takes pity on them. As far as her daughter, she said she will persevere, she will get through this. But the words of an angry mother who now has a sentence, that I believe she would consider or a verdict, just -- Candy. CROWLEY: CNN's Poppy Harlow, thank you. Also to our legal contributor Paul Callan. Of course, we will be following this story throughout the day. - And they did. But the jezebel.com post says: Newscaster Candy Crowley, general correspondent Poppy Harlow, and legal expert Paul Callan all did their very best to focus solely on the guilty verdict's repercussions on the two rapists. There's next to no coverage of the girl who was brutally raped; instead, they talk almost exclusively of the rapistsâ⬠the two teenagers who had such bright futures, and now their lives are completely ruined from this one little indiscretion. Isn't it a shame how they suffer? This is simply not true, as you can see from the transcript above. I read the transcripts of a couple of the later segments on Sunday on the verdict, and it isn't true of them either. As I said, I'm not a fan of Crowley. But she has been treated unfairly in this discussion for the purpose of advancing an anti-TM agenda. And I think that stinks.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: Buck, has there been any Tmo official response to this in Ffld or India? And who is in charge of all that money in India now that Girish is going? There must be some scrambling and realigning of the rajas and folks in charge Nothing here local yet, too new. Lot of our poobahs and people are still out of town to the inauguration of the big Temple to Maharishi's Presence in India. Mostly just underlings here now. Dome numbers are generally subdued with people still traveling. Likely still some discovery going on. Indian Newspapers are saying some other women are coming forward with similar complaints about Girish. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward and say,We are not that! and put good people in to those facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement. Make it clear. Make a break from the past. Even for the guy at the top. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Interesting this comes out now. We were just talking here comparing TM and the Papists the other morning. Such synchrony. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the movement in India will be dead. Navashok, Yup, these headlines keep coming out of India. Swiss woman gang raped in India http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-21812849 UK woman evades sex assault by jumping from hotel room window. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21843657 Women in India, In Guru Dev's time women had the civil rights of goats. In Maharishi's time they were toys. In modern India they are pure sex objects. Yep, would hope that Tony Nader should better get his ass over there to those TM movement facilities and sit in long meditation with those people to help them heal. This is really bad. Can you imagine how dangerous it would be to your person to go over there and look into this thing with Girish and the TM-movement? It seems part of the story with Earl Kaplan when he was looking in India for the stolen millions from him that he stopped when it became evident that the prospects were life-threatening. According to the newspaper accounts it is more than sexual harassment, 'twas molestation and predatory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment guideline for its employees and officers? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or testicles, there's gonna be trouble. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone around it now, for all the good people who work properly with extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great things. This is disheartening sickening. She's a very brave person. He's a very powerful man. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop williamgcoop@ wrote: Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir in Bhopalhttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Bhopal has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya Mandir group of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental torture. Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier this year at Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to Bhopal couple of days ago. The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission (SWC) alleging that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also worked with the group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with him.
[FairfieldLife] Idiot TM'ers
Idiot TM'ers or Let's Defend a Woman and her colleagues who defend wiring their hands over rapists having to face the consequences of their actions. You are saying I am a bigot because I think someone who has been touted as a great success story and example of what TM can do in a person's life showing on a live show that is aired all over the world more, much more concern for 2 sexual abusers than for their victim? Share, Feste, Ravi, Judy, and 7th Ray - you are thankfully vastly in the minority - of the tens of thousands of comments, blogs and articles about this situation, the vast majority are taking Harlow and Crowley to task for their stupid, insensitive and unprofessional behavior - thank you God that there are more people NOT doing TM in the world than those doing TM if you are going to actually condone these women's stupidity. It is NEVER ok for anyone to sexually abuse or misuse a woman, period and it is equally not ok for people to show sympathy for the abusers over the victims. So to those of you who have done so, I hope it never happens to you or your daughters if you have any, if it did I expect you will be singing a different tune. I have good female friends who are survivors of sexual abuse and your kinds of bullshit attitudes are the ones that make life much more difficult for these survivors - in my opinion these women survivors have more beauty, grace, integrity, courage, sattvic energy and common sense than all of you have collectively in your entire body/mind/emotions in this and all other lifetimes put together. I won't tell you to go to hell because you are already there. More than 200,000 people have signed the petition demanding an apology from CNN for these two women's bullshit reporting and hand wringing on behalf of the sex abusers - but you five know better than they do - its a shame you all aren't rajas - with your kind of thinking, you would really serve the TM propaganda machine very well. And ps, if you watched the tapes of the beginning of the trial those two little bastards were yucking it up till it became obvious they were going to be found guilty - your sympathy is wasted on them - they are only sorry they are being held accountable. I guess next you will say you have sympathy for the girls arrested for threatening to kill the rape victim. TM has realy made you into fine example of human beings. Last post of the week. And since it is, I will tell Buck don't worry about King Tony being at risk trying to straighten things out in India, all he has to do is think the way this lot is thinking, pat Girish on the back and ask for a cut of the money. He will do fine. From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 8:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Every exchange like this just reinforces my belief that long term TM makes ones brain turn into mush and removes the ability to think clearly. Right, Michael, you're obviously the clear-thinking one here. Too bad you haven't been able to address a single one of the points that have been made. Too bad you can only make your case by wildly exaggerating what was said in that clip. How many times do you hear reporters give a show of hand wringing over the fate of convicted rapists? Is that what they were doing? Or were they deliberately emphasizing how bad the consequences were going to be for these boys *as a warning* to other boys who might be tempted to engage in similar misbehavior? As in: This was a crime, and these guys are going to suffer for it the rest of their lives. You don't want to end up like them. A reporters job is to report the facts, not commiserate with the criminals Neither of them was commiserating with the criminals. That's insane. (snip) Your attitude seems to be - Oh Candy is a TM'er and so anything she does is beyond reproach - you people really are screwed up. No, buster, that you would think any of us had that attitude is what's really screwed up. Take a look at what the non-TM world thinks of this crap: CNN's unconscionable coverage of the Steubenville Rape Case verdict is pissing everyone off. For the record, there were seven segments on CNN on Sunday about the verdict, not just the breaking-news item, which is what all the fuss is about. You can check out transcripts of all the segments here: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/2013.03.17.html Interestingly, in the breaking-news item, following the appearance of the legal expert, Crowley and Harlow continued their discussion. Here's the transcript of that portion of the breaking-news item (which was not included in the clip): - CROWLEY: Paul, thanks. I want to
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: It is an interesting coincidence [sic?] that all the TM bigwigs are in India just as this comes to a head. Judy may be right: this could be part of a power-struggle in the TM organization that goes beyond just India. L Would seem that whole side of the Maharishi family could stand to be stripped of their bank accounts, fancy cars, real estate and mansions and swiftly banished to caves somewhere in penance for all the trouble they cause the larger movement with this behavior. These molestation charges seem a tip of an iceberg with a lot more bad underneath. These charges are simply really bad and create quite a vacuum in the movement. I think it is more likely that the whole side of the Maharishi family will keep the money and leave the TMO without much at all. I assume they own the bulk of the money. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Well it does seem by the newspaper accounts that this guy is getting caught with his hands in the cookie jar. It is going to be very interesting to see what Tony Nader and the TM movement does with this going forward. This is a very big deal that evidently was a long time in coming.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: You should know that this guy is MMY's nephew. In India, due to their belief in reincarnation, nepotism is the norm and is usually celebrated as the proper way things get done. The first Prime Minister of India was named Jawaharlal Nehru. Coincidentally, Indira Ghandi was his granddaughter, and Rajiv Ghandi was his great-grandson. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_India#Prime_Ministers The swami named in the will to succeed Gurudev was Gurudev's nephew, it turns out. Indians just assume that their relatives are the best person for the job because the cosmos chose them for it by causing them to be born as relatives of the person in power. That said, I've heard the rumors of the nephews of MMY being bad people for years. But those same rumors say that TM doesn't work, that all the research is bogus and so on. It wouldn't be surprising if some of the rumors were true. It also wouldn't be surprising if some of the rumors were false. L. We've been hearing about Girish extorting kick-backs and such around pundits in the pundit program for some long time. I would not want to be the Westerners wading into figure out what is going on in the workings of the TM movement there. Sociopaths are not likely to put capable honorable people around them either. For as big as it is this is going to be extremely complicated for Tony and the board of trustees to manage. I'd really fear for their safety if and when they go over there to help straighten it out. You mean, that despite the huge piles of money Girish and family have stashed away, and living very well indeed, he felt the need to make a few dollars from kickbacks from pundits? And people in Fairfield know about this for a long time? Bevan and John H knew this and stood by? The Rajas? They all looked the other way? If that is true, then trouble is ahead, big trouble. So Buck, are people talking about this is Fairfield? What is the general feeling about this? About the TMO's future given this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: [...] Given that perspective by people who knew him when, how did he come to run the hugely lucrative TMO India? And why didn't people speak up? (Maybe they did but we would never know). Why did the American Rajas over there put up with this crap all these years? Surely they must have seen and sensed that things were not right.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Idiot TM'ers
You are not very bright, are you, MJ? Did you ever have an education? Just wondering. You come across as a ranting lunatic with a serious reading comprehension problem. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Idiot TM'ers or Let's Defend a Woman and her colleagues who defend wiring their hands over rapists having to face the consequences of their actions. You are saying I am a bigot because I think someone who has been touted as a great success story and example of what TM can do in a person's life showing on a live show that is aired all over the world more, much more concern for 2 sexual abusers than for their victim? Share, Feste, Ravi, Judy, and 7th Ray - you are thankfully vastly in the minority - of the tens of thousands of comments, blogs and articles about this situation, the vast majority are taking Harlow and Crowley to task for their stupid, insensitive and unprofessional behavior - thank you God that there are more people NOT doing TM in the world than those doing TM if you are going to actually condone these women's stupidity. It is NEVER ok for anyone to sexually abuse or misuse a woman, period and it is equally not ok for people to show sympathy for the abusers over the victims. So to those of you who have done so, I hope it never happens to you or your daughters if you have any, if it did I expect you will be singing a different tune. I have good female friends who are survivors of sexual abuse and your kinds of bullshit attitudes are the ones that make life much more difficult for these survivors - in my opinion these women survivors have more beauty, grace, integrity, courage, sattvic energy and common sense than all of you have collectively in your entire body/mind/emotions in this and all other lifetimes put together. I won't tell you to go to hell because you are already there. More than 200,000 people have signed the petition demanding an apology from CNN for these two women's bullshit reporting and hand wringing on behalf of the sex abusers - but you five know better than they do - its a shame you all aren't rajas - with your kind of thinking, you would really serve the TM propaganda machine very well. And ps, if you watched the tapes of the beginning of the trial those two little bastards were yucking it up till it became obvious they were going to be found guilty - your sympathy is wasted on them - they are only sorry they are being held accountable. I guess next you will say you have sympathy for the girls arrested for threatening to kill the rape victim. TM has realy made you into fine example of human beings. Last post of the week. And since it is, I will tell Buck don't worry about King Tony being at risk trying to straighten things out in India, all he has to do is think the way this lot is thinking, pat Girish on the back and ask for a cut of the money. He will do fine. From: feste37 feste37@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 8:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Every exchange like this just reinforces my belief that long term TM makes ones brain turn into mush and removes the ability to think clearly. Right, Michael, you're obviously the clear-thinking one here. Too bad you haven't been able to address a single one of the points that have been made. Too bad you can only make your case by wildly exaggerating what was said in that clip. How many times do you hear reporters give a show of hand wringing over the fate of convicted rapists? Is that what they were doing? Or were they deliberately emphasizing how bad the consequences were going to be for these boys *as a warning* to other boys who might be tempted to engage in similar misbehavior? As in: This was a crime, and these guys are going to suffer for it the rest of their lives. You don't want to end up like them. A reporters job is to report the facts, not commiserate with the criminals Neither of them was commiserating with the criminals. That's insane. (snip) Your attitude seems to be - Oh Candy is a TM'er and so anything she does is beyond reproach - you people really are screwed up. No, buster, that you would think any of us had that attitude is what's really screwed up. Take a look at what the non-TM world thinks of this crap: CNN's unconscionable coverage of the Steubenville Rape Case verdict is pissing everyone off. For the record, there were seven segments on CNN on Sunday about the verdict, not just the breaking-news item, which is what all the fuss is about. You can check out transcripts of all the segments
[FairfieldLife] Re: Review Bates Motel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: We tantrics love our horror shows and Bates Motel built on the Psycho franchise is no exception. I figured Vera Farmiga would not be involved in any schlock series and the pilot episode which debuted last night on AE hit one out of the ballpark. It looks like AE didn't want to be left in the dust behind AMC and FX and if they can keep it up they'll have a hit series. The series opens as Norman played by Freddie Highmore finds his father dead, move ahead to Norman and his mother Norma (Farmiga) buy a broken down motel on the Oregon coast with an old mansion behind it. Norman makes a hit with the local high school girls and mama disapproves. We're getting the backstory here about why Norman became what he was in Psycho. The pilot didn't play like a TV episode but rather like a movie and well written. IMDB says filmed in Canada except that some exteriors I saw looked like they really were shot near Cannon Beach in Oregon because I don't think Canada has such coastlines (eh, Ann?) Rated not for Buck due to violence. Yes, my employee sat me down today for three minutes and made me watch some of the promo and making of the show on her computer. She loved it last night so maybe between the two of you I better take a look at the first episode. It was funny, because I glanced at one shot on the beach and thought for sure it had been filmed in either Vancouver or on the Island here (Vancouver Island). We have great coastlines too. Some typical landscapes on my island: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2188671/ Watch free here (probably blocked in Europe but we know our eyepatch friends have a way). http://www.aetv.com/bates-motel/video/first-you-dream-then-you-die-21892\ 675898
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: And what do you consider whining about the effects of a relatively light sentence handed down on two punks who abused an unconscious girl? It has been suggested here, that a person does not have full brain development until they are 25. And I think the part of the brain that is not fully developed, IIRC is that part which evaluates the future consequences of our actions. I am just putting that out there as one thing to consider. If that has been said here, it runs contrary to most literature on child-rearing. According to those authors, children develop the empathy to feel the effects of their actions on others and the ability to control actions that might negatively affect others at age six. If these guys hadn't gotten it down by their age, there is something wrong with them. End of story. Curtis posted this a few days ago re: brain development and age.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Idiot TM'ers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: You are not very bright, are you, MJ? Did you ever have an education? Just wondering. You come across as a ranting lunatic with a serious reading comprehension problem. He does have plenty of company in villifying Crowley and the reporter. It's one of those memes that goes viral without folks taking the time to really think about it, just reacting with their jerky knees. Happens all the time. And Michael is happily going along with it because it suits his agenda. The difference between him and the others is that he's had thoughtful arguments presented to him here as to why there isn't any there there, and he hasn't paid any attention to them, much less come up with any counterarguments. You can be sure he hasn't read the transcript I posted of what followed the crooksandliars clip. And then he claims *our* brains have turned to mush... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Idiot TM'ers or Let's Defend a Woman and her colleagues who defend wiring their hands over rapists having to face the consequences of their actions. You are saying I am a bigot because I think someone who has been touted as a great success story and example of what TM can do in a person's life showing on a live show that is aired all over the world more, much more concern for 2 sexual abusers than for their victim? Share, Feste, Ravi, Judy, and 7th Ray - you are thankfully vastly in the minority - of the tens of thousands of comments, blogs and articles about this situation, the vast majority are taking Harlow and Crowley to task for their stupid, insensitive and unprofessional behavior - thank you God that there are more people NOT doing TM in the world than those doing TM if you are going to actually condone these women's stupidity. It is NEVER ok for anyone to sexually abuse or misuse a woman, period and it is equally not ok for people to show sympathy for the abusers over the victims. So to those of you who have done so, I hope it never happens to you or your daughters if you have any, if it did I expect you will be singing a different tune. I have good female friends who are survivors of sexual abuse and your kinds of bullshit attitudes are the ones that make life much more difficult for these survivors - in my opinion these women survivors have more beauty, grace, integrity, courage, sattvic energy and common sense than all of you have collectively in your entire body/mind/emotions in this and all other lifetimes put together. I won't tell you to go to hell because you are already there. More than 200,000 people have signed the petition demanding an apology from CNN for these two women's bullshit reporting and hand wringing on behalf of the sex abusers - but you five know better than they do - its a shame you all aren't rajas - with your kind of thinking, you would really serve the TM propaganda machine very well. And ps, if you watched the tapes of the beginning of the trial those two little bastards were yucking it up till it became obvious they were going to be found guilty - your sympathy is wasted on them - they are only sorry they are being held accountable. I guess next you will say you have sympathy for the girls arrested for threatening to kill the rape victim. TM has realy made you into fine example of human beings. Last post of the week. And since it is, I will tell Buck don't worry about King Tony being at risk trying to straighten things out in India, all he has to do is think the way this lot is thinking, pat Girish on the back and ask for a cut of the money. He will do fine.
[FairfieldLife] seagull
seagull represents rahu in case anyone cares and didn't know, also Rahu was aspecting weak sun at the time of the conclave
[FairfieldLife] Re: Think your vegetable spring roll is safe from the sea gulls?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 03/19/2013 11:57 AM, PaliGap wrote: Think again! http://youtu.be/ol8c9bdp7YI There recently have been reports of a bald eagle in one of the nearby communities snatching cats and small dogs. As beautiful as bald eagles are they usually eat carrion. They are not great snatchers of live prey. I think someone is mistaking a bald eagle for some other eagle with a shaved head.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: (snip) It has been suggested here, that a person does not have full brain development until they are 25. And I think the part of the brain that is not fully developed, IIRC is that part which evaluates the future consequences of our actions. I am just putting that out there as one thing to consider. If that has been said here, it runs contrary to most literature on child-rearing. According to those authors, children develop the empathy to feel the effects of their actions on others and the ability to control actions that might negatively affect others at age six. If these guys hadn't gotten it down by their age, there is something wrong with them. End of story. Opsie! Not quite the end: The per [sic]-frontal cortex, the one we need to imagine consequences for our actions is not fully developed until 24-26. Kids in college literally do not have the hardware to always be responsible in their behavior. They lose site [sic] of the future and get lost in the present. --Curtisdeltablues, 3/8/12 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/337423 Actually, of course, there's no conflict at all between what Curtis said and what Barry says. Barry claims there is by the simple expedient of interpreting not fully developed to mean completely undeveloped. But then, he considered it entirely within his rights to distort a comment made, he assumed, by a TMer, in order to slam the purported TMer. Unfortunately, it turns out that the original comment was made by Barry's great pal, Curtis. I'm sure Curtis won't mind Barry's distortion, though. I just read your post now. I was lazy and didn't quote the post or post number but you did all the work for me and way before I got to it myself. I may be a bit younger in years than you Ms Judy, but you're twice as fast. snicker
Re: [FairfieldLife] Idiot TM'ers
Michael it's obvious that you care a lot about improving things. My wish for you is that you have deep peacefulness in your heart and mind along with your desire to help people and make the world a better place. Share From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 8:16 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Idiot TM'ers Idiot TM'ers or Let's Defend a Woman and her colleagues who defend wiring their hands over rapists having to face the consequences of their actions. You are saying I am a bigot because I think someone who has been touted as a great success story and example of what TM can do in a person's life showing on a live show that is aired all over the world more, much more concern for 2 sexual abusers than for their victim? Share, Feste, Ravi, Judy, and 7th Ray - you are thankfully vastly in the minority - of the tens of thousands of comments, blogs and articles about this situation, the vast majority are taking Harlow and Crowley to task for their stupid, insensitive and unprofessional behavior - thank you God that there are more people NOT doing TM in the world than those doing TM if you are going to actually condone these women's stupidity. It is NEVER ok for anyone to sexually abuse or misuse a woman, period and it is equally not ok for people to show sympathy for the abusers over the victims. So to those of you who have done so, I hope it never happens to you or your daughters if you have any, if it did I expect you will be singing a different tune. I have good female friends who are survivors of sexual abuse and your kinds of bullshit attitudes are the ones that make life much more difficult for these survivors - in my opinion these women survivors have more beauty, grace, integrity, courage, sattvic energy and common sense than all of you have collectively in your entire body/mind/emotions in this and all other lifetimes put together. I won't tell you to go to hell because you are already there. More than 200,000 people have signed the petition demanding an apology from CNN for these two women's bullshit reporting and hand wringing on behalf of the sex abusers - but you five know better than they do - its a shame you all aren't rajas - with your kind of thinking, you would really serve the TM propaganda machine very well. And ps, if you watched the tapes of the beginning of the trial those two little bastards were yucking it up till it became obvious they were going to be found guilty - your sympathy is wasted on them - they are only sorry they are being held accountable. I guess next you will say you have sympathy for the girls arrested for threatening to kill the rape victim. TM has realy made you into fine example of human beings. Last post of the week. And since it is, I will tell Buck don't worry about King Tony being at risk trying to straighten things out in India, all he has to do is think the way this lot is thinking, pat Girish on the back and ask for a cut of the money. He will do fine. From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 8:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Every exchange like this just reinforces my belief that long term TM makes ones brain turn into mush and removes the ability to think clearly. Right, Michael, you're obviously the clear-thinking one here. Too bad you haven't been able to address a single one of the points that have been made. Too bad you can only make your case by wildly exaggerating what was said in that clip. How many times do you hear reporters give a show of hand wringing over the fate of convicted rapists? Is that what they were doing? Or were they deliberately emphasizing how bad the consequences were going to be for these boys *as a warning* to other boys who might be tempted to engage in similar misbehavior? As in: This was a crime, and these guys are going to suffer for it the rest of their lives. You don't want to end up like them. A reporters job is to report the facts, not commiserate with the criminals Neither of them was commiserating with the criminals. That's insane. (snip) Your attitude seems to be - Oh Candy is a TM'er and so anything she does is beyond reproach - you people really are screwed up. No, buster, that you would think any of us had that attitude is what's really screwed up. Take a look at what the non-TM world thinks of this crap: CNN's unconscionable coverage of the Steubenville Rape Case verdict is pissing everyone off. For the record, there were seven segments on CNN on Sunday about the verdict, not just the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Man In Paris, v2.00
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: [https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/188956_452369191\ 497990_730757480_n.jpg] Marek's recent post (forwarded by Curtis) was such a classic example of finding the extraordinary in the ordinary that it (and discovering that this cafe I'm sitting in has free WiFi) has tempted me to write something about *my* ordinary life. I'm currently in a very nice cafe in the Butte aux Cailles near where I work, a fun village within a city that is being referred to in tourist publications as the new Montmartre. It's a fun area, full of ordinary Parisians living their lives as if they were extraordinary. And why the fuck not? Believer or non-believer, so-called spiritual or non-spiritual, NONE of us knows fersure whether there is any life after this one, so why not enjoy this one as if it were the only one possible *to* enjoy? To do otherwise seems folly to me. It seems that way to a lot of Parisians as well. They might actually be Christians or of some other persuasion that believes that there is an afterlife, but that's...uh...after life. And the afterlife's very existence is a matter of belief, not fact. This life -- here and now -- is fact. One can either use it or lose it. I consider myself fortunate these last few days since I arrived in Paris to be sharing them with folks who prefer to use them rather than lose them. At work, I'm surrounded by an American guy and a Brit guy in their fifties, and a couple of French interns who are in their early twenties. It makes for an interesting dynamic. The women are model-thin and lovely, but rather than fritter away *all* of their todays on frivolities, they enrolled in a university course to teach them about Information Architecture, and now they're working for one of the leading computer companies in the world, and digging it. Both are incredibly bright and motivated, and best of all, they laugh a lot. So do the two older guys, so I'm fortunate in my work crew. My playtime crew is just as diverse, but on the whole just as happy. I've seen none of the classic Parisian depression on this trip so far, only joie de vivre. In this cafe there are tables of French people discussing art or sports or literature or TV personalities or philosophy, the common denominator amongst all of them is that they seem to all be having a good time. Being French, they don't overdrink, meaning that I cannot detect a drunk person in the joint. They just sip at their wines and their beers and enjoy them, not chug them for the purpose (like the Brits) of getting drunk and losing their inhibitions. My take on that is that the French simply have fewer inhibitions to lose, so they can enjoy their beverages for the taste, and not treat them as a drug, or a means to an end. The crowd is also ethnically diverse. There are North Africans here, and Chinese (Butte aux Cailles being next door to one of Paris' Chinatowns) and Vietnamese and Arabs and even a few French-bread French. And they don't seem to have any problem with all of them being French. I see that in the Netherlands as well, but here it's more laid back, as if tolerance were not just politically correct, but Just How Things Are Done. Me, right now I'm the guy in the corner sitting at a small table and typing on his laptop. When I finish this post I'll close up the computer and join in some of the conversations, my French coming back to me far more rapidly than I imagined. Interestingly, I find myself *thinking* in French most of the time, and having to internally translate back to English. Go figure. That hasn't happened for me yet in Dutch. As for other differences between Paris and the Netherlands, I would have to say that the primary one that strikes me is a difference in the comfort that French people seem to have with their sexuality. In the Netherlands, people may be liberal, but they kinda pull it in. People rarely catch your eye and hold it flirtingly there; instead they tend to open up only after some period of getting to know you. Here, things are more open and immediate. Spring is not really here yet, but it's coming, and people can feel it, and seem to be already responding to the increased pheromone count in the air. As an example, this was the first poster I saw on my first walk around town. [http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8093/8572121285_a0c9152054.jpg] Anyway, I'm enjoying myself. Sorry to say that to those on this forum who were hoping that I wouldn't. And you *all* know that there are a few here who fall into that category. Fuck 'em. How are *they* spending their ordinary here-and-now days and nights? What can *they* find to write about them? God Barry. Your gloating is misplaced. It is not an attractive characteristic coming from you or from anyone else. Your comments will become self fulfilling if you don't knock it off. NOBODY obsesses whether
[FairfieldLife] Penis-Snatching Panics Resurface in Africa
Read why it's not reported in Western countries. http://news.yahoo.com/penis-snatching-panics-resurface-africa-182137805.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Man In Paris, v2.00
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: (snip) Anyway, I'm enjoying myself. Sorry to say that to those on this forum who were hoping that I wouldn't. And you *all* know that there are a few here who fall into that category. Fuck 'em. How are *they* spending their ordinary here-and- now days and nights? What can *they* find to write about them? God Barry. Your gloating is misplaced. It is not an attractive characteristic coming from you or from anyone else. Your comments will become self fulfilling if you don't knock it off. NOBODY obsesses whether you are happy or unhappy, if you make a million dollars or get fired. Can't you just enjoy your new city and stop worrying about what others think? I would, in your situation, immerse myself in Paris and forget about those that don't like you. You certainly carry FFL around with you wherever you go. Doesn't it get heavy after a while? But then, it is your second home. What's so sad is that he couldn't be happy with what was a really quite lovely post about his experiences in Paris unless he concluded it with one of his paranoid attacks on those he perceives to be his enemies. It leads one to suspect that while he was writing all that very nice stuff, the thought in the forefront of his mind was not how much he was enjoying himself, but This'll show 'em!
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Every exchange like this just reinforces my belief that long term TM makes ones brain turn into mush and removes the ability to think clearly. Right, Michael, you're obviously the clear-thinking one here. Too bad you haven't been able to address a single one of the points that have been made. Too bad you can only make your case by wildly exaggerating what was said in that clip. How many times do you hear reporters give a show of hand wringing over the fate of convicted rapists? Is that what they were doing? Or were they deliberately emphasizing how bad the consequences were going to be for these boys *as a warning* to other boys who might be tempted to engage in similar misbehavior? As in: This was a crime, and these guys are going to suffer for it the rest of their lives. You don't want to end up like them. A reporters job is to report the facts, not commiserate with the criminals Neither of them was commiserating with the criminals. That's insane. (snip) Your attitude seems to be - Oh Candy is a TM'er and so anything she does is beyond reproach - you people really are screwed up. No, buster, that you would think any of us had that attitude is what's really screwed up. Take a look at what the non-TM world thinks of this crap: CNN's unconscionable coverage of the Steubenville Rape Case verdict is pissing everyone off. For the record, there were seven segments on CNN on Sunday about the verdict, not just the breaking-news item, which is what all the fuss is about. You can check out transcripts of all the segments here: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/2013.03.17.html Interestingly, in the breaking-news item, following the appearance of the legal expert, Crowley and Harlow continued their discussion. Here's the transcript of that portion of the breaking-news item (which was not included in the clip): - CROWLEY: Paul, thanks. I want to bring Poppy back in -- because, Poppy, there's -- you know, the 16-year-old victim, her life, never the same, again. And I understand you have been talking to some of the families involved. HARLOW: Her life never the same again. Absolutely, Candy. The last thing she wanted to do was sit on that stand and testify. She didn't want to bring these charges. She said it was up to her parents. But I want to tell our viewers about a statement that her mother just made, just made in the court after the sentencing. Her mother just said that she has pity on the two young boys that did this. She said human compassion is not taught by teachers or coaches. It's a God-given gift, saying that you displayed a lack of compassion, a lack of moral code, saying that you were your own accuser throughout this for posting about this all over social media. And she said she takes pity on them. As far as her daughter, she said she will persevere, she will get through this. But the words of an angry mother who now has a sentence, that I believe she would consider or a verdict, just -- Candy. CROWLEY: CNN's Poppy Harlow, thank you. Also to our legal contributor Paul Callan. Of course, we will be following this story throughout the day. - And they did. But the jezebel.com post says: Newscaster Candy Crowley, general correspondent Poppy Harlow, and legal expert Paul Callan all did their very best to focus solely on the guilty verdict's repercussions on the two rapists. There's next to no coverage of the girl who was brutally raped; instead, they talk almost exclusively of the rapistsâ the two teenagers who had such bright futures, and now their lives are completely ruined from this one little indiscretion. Isn't it a shame how they suffer? This is simply not true, as you can see from the transcript above. I read the transcripts of a couple of the later segments on Sunday on the verdict, and it isn't true of them either. As I said, I'm not a fan of Crowley. But she has been treated unfairly in this discussion for the purpose of advancing an anti-TM agenda. And I think that stinks. Unfortunately, in his zeal to denounce TM, MJ has become a bigot. He attacks Crowley simply because she is a TMer. Is that any better than attacking someone for being a Catholic, or Mormon, or a Jew? Let's suppose that someone is angry at the Catholic Church (Those priests are all child molesters!) and then finds a news presenter who happens to be Catholic and attacks them for something innocuous they said, when his real purpose is to display anti-Catholic bigotry. Poor MJ seems to be in a state of permanent rage and
[FairfieldLife] Re: Idiot TM'ers
MJ - you have officially veered into the delusional category - you need help, thank god it's your 50th post. None of the 5 that you mentioned really commented on the actual incident in itself, I surely didn't - it's your anti-TM paranoia now delusional thinking. The kind of accusations you make are not funny MJ - you really need to get your retarded head straight. What I said was - Yeah all this just reiterates that MJ may be a nice guy but he is totally idiotic, emotionally stunted, delusional even to use this incredibly distressing, painful rape incident - complex in its conception and implications to peddle his anti-TM paranoia. On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 6:16 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.comwrote: ** Idiot TM'ers or Let's Defend a Woman and her colleagues who defend wiring their hands over rapists having to face the consequences of their actions. You are saying I am a bigot because I think someone who has been touted as a great success story and example of what TM can do in a person's life showing on a live show that is aired all over the world more, much more concern for 2 sexual abusers than for their victim? Share, Feste, Ravi, Judy, and 7th Ray - you are thankfully vastly in the minority - of the tens of thousands of comments, blogs and articles about this situation, the vast majority are taking Harlow and Crowley to task for their stupid, insensitive and unprofessional behavior - thank you God that there are more people NOT doing TM in the world than those doing TM if you are going to actually condone these women's stupidity. It is NEVER ok for anyone to sexually abuse or misuse a woman, period and it is equally not ok for people to show sympathy for the abusers over the victims. So to those of you who have done so, I hope it never happens to you or your daughters if you have any, if it did I expect you will be singing a different tune. I have good female friends who are survivors of sexual abuse and your kinds of bullshit attitudes are the ones that make life much more difficult for these survivors - in my opinion these women survivors have more beauty, grace, integrity, courage, sattvic energy and common sense than all of you have collectively in your entire body/mind/emotions in this and all other lifetimes put together. I won't tell you to go to hell because you are already there. More than 200,000 people have signed the petition demanding an apology from CNN for these two women's bullshit reporting and hand wringing on behalf of the sex abusers - but you five know better than they do - its a shame you all aren't rajas - with your kind of thinking, you would really serve the TM propaganda machine very well. And ps, if you watched the tapes of the beginning of the trial those two little bastards were yucking it up till it became obvious they were going to be found guilty - your sympathy is wasted on them - they are only sorry they are being held accountable. I guess next you will say you have sympathy for the girls arrested for threatening to kill the rape victim. TM has realy made you into fine example of human beings. Last post of the week. And since it is, I will tell Buck don't worry about King Tony being at risk trying to straighten things out in India, all he has to do is think the way this lot is thinking, pat Girish on the back and ask for a cut of the money. He will do fine. -- *From:* feste37 fest...@yahoo.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2013 8:37 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Every exchange like this just reinforces my belief that long term TM makes ones brain turn into mush and removes the ability to think clearly. Right, Michael, you're obviously the clear-thinking one here. Too bad you haven't been able to address a single one of the points that have been made. Too bad you can only make your case by wildly exaggerating what was said in that clip. How many times do you hear reporters give a show of hand wringing over the fate of convicted rapists? Is that what they were doing? Or were they deliberately emphasizing how bad the consequences were going to be for these boys *as a warning* to other boys who might be tempted to engage in similar misbehavior? As in: This was a crime, and these guys are going to suffer for it the rest of their lives. You don't want to end up like them. A reporters job is to report the facts, not commiserate with the criminals Neither of them was commiserating with the criminals. That's insane. (snip) Your attitude seems to be - Oh Candy is a TM'er and so anything she does is beyond reproach - you people really are screwed up. No, buster, that you would think any of us
[FairfieldLife] NEWFLASH: MJ accuses TMO of Penis-Snatching
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 8:27 PM, John jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Read why it's not reported in Western countries. http://news.yahoo.com/penis-snatching-panics-resurface-africa-182137805.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Man In Paris, v2.00
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: [https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/188956_452369191\ 497990_730757480_n.jpg] Marek's recent post (forwarded by Curtis) was such a classic example of finding the extraordinary in the ordinary that it (and discovering that this cafe I'm sitting in has free WiFi) has tempted me to write something about *my* ordinary life. I'm currently in a very nice cafe in the Butte aux Cailles near where I work, a fun village within a city that is being referred to in tourist publications as the new Montmartre. It's a fun area, full of ordinary Parisians living their lives as if they were extraordinary. And why the fuck not? Believer or non-believer, so-called spiritual or non-spiritual, NONE of us knows fersure whether there is any life after this one, so why not enjoy this one as if it were the only one possible *to* enjoy? To do otherwise seems folly to me. It seems that way to a lot of Parisians as well. They might actually be Christians or of some other persuasion that believes that there is an afterlife, but that's...uh...after life. And the afterlife's very existence is a matter of belief, not fact. This life -- here and now -- is fact. One can either use it or lose it. I consider myself fortunate these last few days since I arrived in Paris to be sharing them with folks who prefer to use them rather than lose them. At work, I'm surrounded by an American guy and a Brit guy in their fifties, and a couple of French interns who are in their early twenties. It makes for an interesting dynamic. The women are model-thin and lovely, but rather than fritter away *all* of their todays on frivolities, they enrolled in a university course to teach them about Information Architecture, and now they're working for one of the leading computer companies in the world, and digging it. Both are incredibly bright and motivated, and best of all, they laugh a lot. So do the two older guys, so I'm fortunate in my work crew. My playtime crew is just as diverse, but on the whole just as happy. I've seen none of the classic Parisian depression on this trip so far, only joie de vivre. In this cafe there are tables of French people discussing art or sports or literature or TV personalities or philosophy, the common denominator amongst all of them is that they seem to all be having a good time. Being French, they don't overdrink, meaning that I cannot detect a drunk person in the joint. They just sip at their wines and their beers and enjoy them, not chug them for the purpose (like the Brits) of getting drunk and losing their inhibitions. My take on that is that the French simply have fewer inhibitions to lose, so they can enjoy their beverages for the taste, and not treat them as a drug, or a means to an end. The crowd is also ethnically diverse. There are North Africans here, and Chinese (Butte aux Cailles being next door to one of Paris' Chinatowns) and Vietnamese and Arabs and even a few French-bread French. And they don't seem to have any problem with all of them being French. I see that in the Netherlands as well, but here it's more laid back, as if tolerance were not just politically correct, but Just How Things Are Done. Me, right now I'm the guy in the corner sitting at a small table and typing on his laptop. When I finish this post I'll close up the computer and join in some of the conversations, my French coming back to me far more rapidly than I imagined. Interestingly, I find myself *thinking* in French most of the time, and having to internally translate back to English. Go figure. That hasn't happened for me yet in Dutch. As for other differences between Paris and the Netherlands, I would have to say that the primary one that strikes me is a difference in the comfort that French people seem to have with their sexuality. In the Netherlands, people may be liberal, but they kinda pull it in. People rarely catch your eye and hold it flirtingly there; instead they tend to open up only after some period of getting to know you. Here, things are more open and immediate. Spring is not really here yet, but it's coming, and people can feel it, and seem to be already responding to the increased pheromone count in the air. As an example, this was the first poster I saw on my first walk around town. [http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8093/8572121285_a0c9152054.jpg] Anyway, I'm enjoying myself. Sorry to say that to those on this forum who were hoping that I wouldn't. And you *all* know that there are a few here who fall into that category. Fuck 'em. How are *they* spending their ordinary here-and-now days and nights? What can *they* find to write about them? Funny you should ask. For a start, I am sitting here in my beautiful house that my husband and I built, it is blowing and raining outside, I hear the wind in the chimney, the slash of water against the windows
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 5:23 PM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.comwrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Right that's acceptable dear Steve, your concerns well articulated and thank you for wishing a happy ending - whatever that means. That 16 years of working in offices, cubicles, 4 years of single life and a belief system I am eager to peddle is causing me to insult you here on FFL is a fiction of yours. You're moving closer to a first step, and that's a good thing. We can do this. Keepa coming. Yes you are amazing Steve - one of a kind. A dramatic breakthrough because of you - it's too overwhelming, I may have to be silent for the whole week to understand all the implications of this painful lesson. On Mar 19, 2013, at 2:54 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: snip Very funny but try again. How does a giver become poor - doesn't add up dude. Don't think I said that dude. Your giving is well documented. But you have chosen insults to be your main form of your interaction here. I admit, you are good at it. And if that's where you want to hang your hat, they you can be proud of your achievements. And really, I don't know how you stand down from that, and,-you know, relate man to man, or man to woman. You're a specialist. A hired insulter from the Bengal State. (don't know if it's true, but it sounded good) You're Django, (and the D is silent) Wait, she got the girl in the end. Maybe your story will have a happy ending too. Lord knows it's had plenty of fireworks! (where is that rascal anyway - LK?) On Mar 19, 2013, at 2:22 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Ah, comes now the great insulter, plying the skill he hones on those long walks with Devi. But always, I come to the same question. I mean, with your great intellect, here you are, day after day, stuck on a cubicle farm, thinking about how lonely you are and how you might be able to score a date. Of course, I was rooting for you on this last go around. But I knew it was a lost cause, when after ten minutes you started in with the Ravi Guru routine and told her how she wasting her time on meditation. Did you notice how things changed at that point? I didn't think so, you were so busy talking. Talk, talk. Talk, talk, talk. Nithyananda this, Nithydananday that, Satnam Sing this, Satnam Sing that. Did you notice her eyes gloss over? Did you notice her foot tapping nervously, and her frozen smile, broken only by an forced laugh at your awkward attempt at humor? Oops, suddenly she got that text message and had to leave. Hang in there Rav. Until you get a life, you can keep working the insult angle. You need something to keep busy. (-: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Feeling the heat dear Steve..LOL. You probably think MJ is dumber than you - not that I disagree mind you. Anyway it's good to finally see someone after 3 years, threatening to usurp your position - I am loving it. I'm still rooting for you though, but remember MJ's from South Carolina - he's got the history, culture, genes on his side, so you need to be on the top of your game, tighten it up a bit, take it up a notch, insert any other favorite cliche of yours here. And yes, in case you were wondering, I do love ya like brother. On Mar 19, 2013, at 12:39 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@wrote: Michael, my friend, I am afraid you are losing it. Or is it lost it. I'm not sure. But listen, I have just the solution. This posting stuff is obviously taking its toll. Take a break for a few days. Maybe until, say, Friday evening. Whaddya think? You'll thank me, you'll bless me. And hey, really, I enjoyed hearing about your wonderful childhood. The one thing you left out was anything about your schooling. You did attend school, right. Well, of course you did. Sorry about that. But did you take any courses that dealt with analytical thinking. What? You didn't. Well no worries. Many here say it's not my strong suit either. But one starting point may be to try to remove any obvious biases from your thinking. When you come to every situation with a fixed mindset, it sort of closes the door on any opportunity to learn something. And yes, in case you were wondering, I do love ya like brother --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Every exchange like this just reinforces my belief that long term TM makes ones brain turn into mush and removes the ability to think clearly. How many times do you hear
