[FairfieldLife] Re: Krishna like Christian evangelizing

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Sal, did you ever know Campbell in your past TM days?
> > 
> > No he's way before my time. I did like his book "The 7 states" 
> > though. I don't agree with much it now mind you, but it's as 
> > clearly written an exposition of the pre-sidhi teachings of Marshy
> > as you'd want.
> 
> Agree. (sigh)
> 
> He's written a lot since then, including one book that
> has a section detailing his disillusionment with TM
> ("Totality Beliefs and the Religious Imagination").
> 
> His Website:
> 
> http://www.skepticviews.org.uk/essays/index.html

Cheers, lots to read there: evolution and consciousness, Fortean
phenomena and even Julian Jaynes!

That'll keep me busy for a few days.

[FairfieldLife] Barry HAS NEVER experienced enlightenment [was Re: Free Man In Paris, v3.01]

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

Flashes of 'enlightenment' do not involve witnessing, its something else 
entirely. Flashes of CC involve witnessing, but CC is just, as Maharishi said 
(I think I got that from one of Judy's posts), 'glorified ignorance'.

Enlightenment is learning how to be in accord with what you experience in those 
flashes, it's growth of understanding and the ability to function according to 
the 'truth' you experience as a result of those awake moments, which can be 
brief or persistent. If they are not fully profound, you will fall back, but 
you keep going and may have others. It is almost certain that any particular 
person will not experience a full awakening all at once, and a lot of 
adjustment will be necessary, and a persistence to get at the truth of what one 
is going through. The truth is you do not get anything new at all. You are 
wearing down your fantasies, opinions, your constant dreaming. Once that crap 
gets pruned down enough, life begins to be lived naturally. Transcending was 
part of the crapfest. You are not involved with 'transcending'. Meditation of 
some kind can still be useful, but not in the same way it was before. 

Writers write. A writer still perfecting their craft will naturally feel some 
lack in their ability, and seek input, to learn more. When a would be writer 
becomes a writer, if they need input for a particular project, it will come to 
hand, they will know what they have to do to get that, but they won't at that 
stage be trying to learn how to write better, they will be confident in their 
writing ability.

A spiritual teacher once said, 'For God's sake, graduate.'

So, if you are engaged in a spiritual teaching, when do you leave the nest? 
Real unboundedness removes the tether. Religions are largely orphanages where 
the birds failed to leave the nest, and those inmates live their entire lives 
either arguing about or simply believing the information that was to be their 
ticket to freedom.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> Hi Share, Barry said something in his reply to you that is pretty confused, 
> and I wanted to clear it up. He states that he has, had long flashes or 
> periods of enlightenment. Wow, what a mess. 
> 
> Just so you know, he is talking about what I call "dirty" witnessing. There 
> is a temporary conditioning of the mind that can be triggered by extra 
> meditation, fasting, etc. where one gets the feeling of being outside of 
> oneself. This is absolutely NOT enlightenment, and never has been. Although 
> some silence may be there, and the physiology mimics a state of silence, the 
> shift in identity has not occurred, the enlightened realization that, "I am 
> not the small self", has not occurred. 
> 
> So Barry, contrary to his confusion has not experienced enlightenment, ever. 
> There are other examples of his confusion when he talks about it, but this 
> one is enough for now, to clearly illustrate the reality. The only way he 
> views enlightenment is as some sort of counter to his identity - he is afraid 
> of it, but doesn't have a clue what it is. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > turq, I often encounter devoted and long term TMers who 
> > > even currently enjoy spending time with their children 
> > > and grandchildren. As regards living for enlightenment, 
> > > many of the sidhas I know are living for the sake of 
> > > living itself, the richness of it, just riding those 
> > > waves of life. Yes, they engage in a particular activity 
> > > to develop themselves more, but isn't that part of being 
> > > human? 
> > 
> > Only for those who believe that life is not fulfilled
> > in every moment, and that there is something "more" to
> > achieve. 
> > 
> > > For example, don't you yourself engage in activities to 
> > > develop as a writer? 
> > 
> > Other than writing itself? Never. 
> > 
> > > Anyway, you sound angry in your last paragraph. Were you? 
> > 
> > The only reason I'm replying is that you are the fourth
> > person to have gotten their buttons pushed by two little
> > words, "Fuck enlightenment." When I saw the reactions
> > in Message View, I honestly had to go back to reread
> > the original piece to figure out what they were talking
> > about. There was not a *microgram* of anger in me as
> > I wrote that. It is simply how I feel about enlight-
> > enment. It, the reverence for it, and the desire to
> > attain or realize it simply have no place in my life.
> > I felt no emotion whatsoever writing those words, 
> > because the concept of enlightenment holds no interest
> > for me whatsoever. It was as meaningless an aside as
> > if I'd said, "Fuck ketchup." 
> > 
> > > If yes, why? 
> > 
> > Irrelevant. Someday you should learn that the fact that
> > someone does not necessarily have to feel the same way
> > about things as you do. Enlightenment, schmitenment.
> > I've never seen -- or

[FairfieldLife] Re: What are Dreams?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > (snip)
> > > > > > > >> Because individual minds seem so different and interpret the 
> > > > > > > >> world with such different perspectives, are we just local 
> > > > > > > >> realities in a larger reality, or hallucinations in a larger 
> > > > > > > >> reality?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Whose hallucinations?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > This is another question of interest. My thought on this is
> > > > > > > there is the field of experience, but there is no one, no
> > > > > > > who, that has them. There is no entity that has experience,
> > > > > > > it just simply exists that way, unadorned.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This strikes me as unhealthy in the extreme.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Why?
> > > > 
> > > > Because it rejects, nullifies, what makes you a human being.
> > > > It sells your birthright, your humanity, for a mess of
> > > > undifferentiated pottage. Or to use Guru Dev's metaphor,
> > > > for an ocean of uniformly salted water.
> > > > 
> > > That is absurd. So, your planning to quit meditation as a
> > > result of this? This is where it may lead.
> > 
> > Right, Xeno. There isn't a doubt in my mind that you have
> > the True Word on everything to do with enlightenment and
> > consciousness and meditation. Can't you tell?
> > 
> > *plonk*
> >
> You know, the word 'may' is a hedge, it is an hypothetical
> statement. Undifferentiated pottage is the way the ego sees
> this because it cannot grasp how sameness and differentiation
> coexist point for point; it imagines a uniform blah-ness. So
> what is my human birthright; what is my 'humanity', if as you
> are implying I have sold my birthright, for if I have, TM was
> the cashier.

Like I said...

*re-plonk*

[FairfieldLife] Re: What are Dreams?

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > (snip)
> > > > > > >> Because individual minds seem so different and interpret the 
> > > > > > >> world with such different perspectives, are we just local 
> > > > > > >> realities in a larger reality, or hallucinations in a larger 
> > > > > > >> reality?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Whose hallucinations?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This is another question of interest. My thought on this is
> > > > > > there is the field of experience, but there is no one, no
> > > > > > who, that has them. There is no entity that has experience,
> > > > > > it just simply exists that way, unadorned.
> > > > > 
> > > > > This strikes me as unhealthy in the extreme.
> > > > 
> > > > Why?
> > > 
> > > Because it rejects, nullifies, what makes you a human being.
> > > It sells your birthright, your humanity, for a mess of
> > > undifferentiated pottage. Or to use Guru Dev's metaphor,
> > > for an ocean of uniformly salted water.
> > > 
> > That is absurd. So, your planning to quit meditation as a
> > result of this? This is where it may lead.
> 
> Right, Xeno. There isn't a doubt in my mind that you have
> the True Word on everything to do with enlightenment and
> consciousness and meditation. Can't you tell?
> 
> *plonk*
>
You know, the word 'may' is a hedge, it is an hypothetical statement. 
Undifferentiated pottage is the way the ego sees this because it cannot grasp 
how sameness and differentiation coexist point for point; it imagines a uniform 
blah-ness. So what is my human birthright; what is my 'humanity', if as you are 
implying I have sold my birthright, for if I have, TM was the cashier. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Speaking of Affairs

[Bhairitu]

On 05/25/2013 09:27 AM, Ann wrote:
> This could be an interesting foray into the depths of depravity for anyone 
> interested in such things. I know I might be...
>
> http://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/television/behind-the-candelabra-a-liberace-tale-of-romance-and-malice/article12129909/
>
>

I'll probably record it but I may also be checking out the new episodes 
of "Arrested Development" on Netflix that debut tomorrow. I never 
watched the show when it was on FOX but one of our FFL members was the 
editor for the show and won an Emmy for his work. However he did not 
edit these new episodes.

For fun, games, work and geekness today I updated Ubuntu 10.04 to Ubuntu 
Studio 12.04.  That was the smoothest update I've even done and Studio 
is quite spiffy and runs much better than 10.04.  That's because it has 
a real time kernel.   When I downloaded and tried Ubuntu Studio 12.04 
LTS live off DVD it ran faster than any live distro I've ever run almost 
as if it were installed.  I used the disc for the install to by 
selecting upgrade over 10.04.

I now return you to your non-geek world of online psychotherapy.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: What are Dreams?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > (snip)
> > > > > >> Because individual minds seem so different and interpret the world 
> > > > > >> with such different perspectives, are we just local realities in a 
> > > > > >> larger reality, or hallucinations in a larger reality?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Whose hallucinations?
> > > > > 
> > > > > This is another question of interest. My thought on this is
> > > > > there is the field of experience, but there is no one, no
> > > > > who, that has them. There is no entity that has experience,
> > > > > it just simply exists that way, unadorned.
> > > > 
> > > > This strikes me as unhealthy in the extreme.
> > > 
> > > Why?
> > 
> > Because it rejects, nullifies, what makes you a human being.
> > It sells your birthright, your humanity, for a mess of
> > undifferentiated pottage. Or to use Guru Dev's metaphor,
> > for an ocean of uniformly salted water.
> > 
> That is absurd. So, your planning to quit meditation as a
> result of this? This is where it may lead.

Right, Xeno. There isn't a doubt in my mind that you have
the True Word on everything to do with enlightenment and
consciousness and meditation. Can't you tell?

*plonk*

[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Petition to offer meditation in schools

[doctordumbass]

Yep, agreed.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > I've talked to him - he's a decent guy doing the best he knows
> > > how. And his approach has some merit in fact.
> > 
> > He was on FFL for a while back when he was trying to figure
> > out how to sell Maharishi's sandals, had some very interesting
> > stuff to say about his time with Maharishi. Seemed very sweet
> > and very bright. He subsequently did a BatGap interview and
> > talked about the book he's selling now.
> > 
> > He was in bad financial shape with almost no resources at
> > the time he was selling the sandals. If he can now support
> > himself by selling the book he's written and the teaching
> > method he's developed because people find them useful,
> > more power to him.
>  
> I don't begrudge him selling a meditation book, but his petition makes it 
> sound like he's pushing for some purely altruistic project, when the 
> meditation instruction is actually from a book he wrote and sells. His 
> petition makes no mention of his financial self-interest, and IMO, that 
> doesn't pass the sniff test.
>  
> > > 
> > >  From: Alex Stanley 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 4:16 PM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Petition to offer meditation in schools
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > U
> > > > 
> > > > This appears to be a ploy to get his book better known.
> > > > 
> > > > Mark Landau is the author of the book he is advocating everyone read
> > > > to learn how to do the meditation he advocates the US encourage all
> > > > students to learn.
> > > 
> > > From used sandal salesman to new-age meditation huckster... that's quite 
> > > a career arc.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Barry HAS NEVER experienced enlightenment [was Re: Free Man In Paris, v3.01]

[doctordumbass]

Hi Share, Barry said something in his reply to you that is pretty confused, and 
I wanted to clear it up. He states that he has, had long flashes or periods of 
enlightenment. Wow, what a mess. 

Just so you know, he is talking about what I call "dirty" witnessing. There is 
a temporary conditioning of the mind that can be triggered by extra meditation, 
fasting, etc. where one gets the feeling of being outside of oneself. This is 
absolutely NOT enlightenment, and never has been. Although some silence may be 
there, and the physiology mimics a state of silence, the shift in identity has 
not occurred, the enlightened realization that, "I am not the small self", has 
not occurred. 

So Barry, contrary to his confusion has not experienced enlightenment, ever. 
There are other examples of his confusion when he talks about it, but this one 
is enough for now, to clearly illustrate the reality. The only way he views 
enlightenment is as some sort of counter to his identity - he is afraid of it, 
but doesn't have a clue what it is. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > turq, I often encounter devoted and long term TMers who 
> > even currently enjoy spending time with their children 
> > and grandchildren. As regards living for enlightenment, 
> > many of the sidhas I know are living for the sake of 
> > living itself, the richness of it, just riding those 
> > waves of life. Yes, they engage in a particular activity 
> > to develop themselves more, but isn't that part of being 
> > human? 
> 
> Only for those who believe that life is not fulfilled
> in every moment, and that there is something "more" to
> achieve. 
> 
> > For example, don't you yourself engage in activities to 
> > develop as a writer? 
> 
> Other than writing itself? Never. 
> 
> > Anyway, you sound angry in your last paragraph. Were you? 
> 
> The only reason I'm replying is that you are the fourth
> person to have gotten their buttons pushed by two little
> words, "Fuck enlightenment." When I saw the reactions
> in Message View, I honestly had to go back to reread
> the original piece to figure out what they were talking
> about. There was not a *microgram* of anger in me as
> I wrote that. It is simply how I feel about enlight-
> enment. It, the reverence for it, and the desire to
> attain or realize it simply have no place in my life.
> I felt no emotion whatsoever writing those words, 
> because the concept of enlightenment holds no interest
> for me whatsoever. It was as meaningless an aside as
> if I'd said, "Fuck ketchup." 
> 
> > If yes, why? 
> 
> Irrelevant. Someday you should learn that the fact that
> someone does not necessarily have to feel the same way
> about things as you do. Enlightenment, schmitenment.
> I've never seen -- or experienced -- any evidence that
> it does anything for anyone other than the person who
> is experiencing it. It's a *completely* subjective 
> experience, of no benefit to any other human being. 
> Living in hope of "attaining" or "realizing" that? 
> What a waste of life. But living in hope of doing 
> something nice for someone else? Now that's something 
> worth living for. 
> 
> Given a choice between spending a little quality time 
> with Maya or being enlightened, and I'd go for Mayatime 
> anytime. Given a choice of spending time with any 
> supposedly enlightened being in history -- including 
> the original Buddha -- and I'd go for Mayatime anytime. 
> 
> In all honesty, if you had ever had long flashes or 
> periods of enlightenment, you might feel differently
> about it. I have. I prefer Mayatime, and here-and-
> now-time, anytime. 
> 
> > 
> >  From: turquoiseb 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 4:59 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Free Man In Paris, v3.01
> >  
> > I was having dinner with a friend from work last night in a small
> > restaurant on the Ile St. Louis, and it turned into an interesting
> > opportunity to teach, and to learn. My friend is someone I work with --
> > another American ex-pat, a former jazz pianist turned tech writer,
> > originally from San Francisco but living and working here in Europe for
> > the last dozen years, so we have a lot in common and lots to talk about.
> > But we wound up talking about none of those things because two people
> > came in and sat at the small table next to us.
> > 
> > They were an older woman (but younger than either of us) and a young
> > girl (who we learned was 12). The girl heard us talking in English and
> > started a conversation, and I'm glad she did. It turns out she is from
> > Atlanta, brought here by her grandmother for her first trip to Europe.
> > The grandmother is doing this because the young girl is an aspiring
> > artist, and she wanted her granddaughter to have the experience of
> > seeing this place and its art close up, in person.
> > 
> > And they both

[FairfieldLife] Re: What are Dreams?

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > >  wrote:
> (snip)
> > > > >> Because individual minds seem so different and interpret the world 
> > > > >> with such different perspectives, are we just local realities in a 
> > > > >> larger reality, or hallucinations in a larger reality?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Whose hallucinations?
> > > > 
> > > > This is another question of interest. My thought on this is
> > > > there is the field of experience, but there is no one, no
> > > > who, that has them. There is no entity that has experience,
> > > > it just simply exists that way, unadorned.
> > > 
> > > This strikes me as unhealthy in the extreme.
> > 
> > Why?
> 
> Because it rejects, nullifies, what makes you a human being.
> It sells your birthright, your humanity, for a mess of
> undifferentiated pottage. Or to use Guru Dev's metaphor,
> for an ocean of uniformly salted water.
> 
That is absurd. So, your planning to quit meditation as a result of this? This 
is where it may lead.
> 
> > The idea that there is an entity that has experiences is just a name, such 
> > as 'me' that is applied to various processes in the field of experience. We 
> > are trained from birth to give the body and the experiences associated with 
> > it a name and a characteristic, like 'there is a soul in it'. It is a form 
> > of conditioning. It is, in terms of growing up and managing the world and 
> > the body a very convenient and often useful illusion. One of the more 
> > recent philosophical ideas is the self, that is, our ideas of self, and 
> > sense of self is a 'centre of narrative gravity' much like the concept of 
> > centre of mass in physics. Here is a paper on the idea:
> > 
> > http://ase.tufts.edu/cogstud/papers/selfctr.htm
> > 
> > That form of conditioning is loosened with meditation although initially 
> > with TC and CC the sense of an internal entity (or internal identity might 
> > be a better way of expressing it), may be increased (Atman), but that is a 
> > passing phase because it dissolves. Like Guru Dev's image of a doll of salt 
> > walking into the ocean and dissolving, the experience individual identity 
> > comes apart, the internal life one has begins to fade away, but it is not 
> > necessarily disturbing, at least if one is prepared. Even early on in 
> > meditation many people suddenly discover that the things they liked to do 
> > somehow seem to fall flat and interests change. It is like that, but far 
> > more extensive, one becomes as if transparent to the flow of nature, the 
> > internal narrative of the mind subdues and stops interpreting and sensory 
> > experience flows in without being twisted around in the intellect. The 
> > intellect, the thinking process then becomes more like a tool, useful when 
> > needed, but no longer is experienced as reality.
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  So I think of this question as not the right question to ask, though at 
> > > some stage of pondering what reality might be, it is probably a very 
> > > useful question.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Petition to offer meditation in schools

[Michael Jackson]

Maybe he learned from Marshy





 From: Alex Stanley 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 6:28 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Petition to offer meditation in schools
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > I've talked to him - he's a decent guy doing the best he knows
> > how. And his approach has some merit in fact.
> 
> He was on FFL for a while back when he was trying to figure
> out how to sell Maharishi's sandals, had some very interesting
> stuff to say about his time with Maharishi. Seemed very sweet
> and very bright. He subsequently did a BatGap interview and
> talked about the book he's selling now.
> 
> He was in bad financial shape with almost no resources at
> the time he was selling the sandals. If he can now support
> himself by selling the book he's written and the teaching
> method he's developed because people find them useful,
> more power to him.

I don't begrudge him selling a meditation book, but his petition makes it sound 
like he's pushing for some purely altruistic project, when the meditation 
instruction is actually from a book he wrote and sells. His petition makes no 
mention of his financial self-interest, and IMO, that doesn't pass the sniff 
test.

> > 
> >  From: Alex Stanley 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 4:16 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Petition to offer meditation in schools
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > >
> > > U
> > > 
> > > This appears to be a ploy to get his book better known.
> > > 
> > > Mark Landau is the author of the book he is advocating everyone read
> > > to learn how to do the meditation he advocates the US encourage all
> > > students to learn.
> > 
> > From used sandal salesman to new-age meditation huckster... that's quite a 
> > career arc.
> >
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Petition to offer meditation in schools

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > I've talked to him - he's a decent guy doing the best he knows
> > how. And his approach has some merit in fact.
> 
> He was on FFL for a while back when he was trying to figure
> out how to sell Maharishi's sandals, had some very interesting
> stuff to say about his time with Maharishi. Seemed very sweet
> and very bright. He subsequently did a BatGap interview and
> talked about the book he's selling now.
> 
> He was in bad financial shape with almost no resources at
> the time he was selling the sandals. If he can now support
> himself by selling the book he's written and the teaching
> method he's developed because people find them useful,
> more power to him.
 
I don't begrudge him selling a meditation book, but his petition makes it sound 
like he's pushing for some purely altruistic project, when the meditation 
instruction is actually from a book he wrote and sells. His petition makes no 
mention of his financial self-interest, and IMO, that doesn't pass the sniff 
test.
 
> > 
> >  From: Alex Stanley 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 4:16 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Petition to offer meditation in schools
> >  
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > >
> > > U
> > > 
> > > This appears to be a ploy to get his book better known.
> > > 
> > > Mark Landau is the author of the book he is advocating everyone read
> > > to learn how to do the meditation he advocates the US encourage all
> > > students to learn.
> > 
> > From used sandal salesman to new-age meditation huckster... that's quite a 
> > career arc.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Krishna like Christian evangelizing

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Thanks for posting this - its interesting that on his web page
> he lists all the books he has written EXCEPT for 7 States  - 
> speaks volumes in and of itself.

Actually what the omission says is: "This book is long out
of print." (Along with its sequel, whose title I forget.)

Notice the heading on his Web page: "My CURRENTLY PUBLISHED
Books."

Sheesh, Michael. It's not an academic bibliography or a
CV, it's a list of books he hopes folks will buy because
he'll make some money off them.

He's perfectly open about his stint with TM. As I told you,
his most recent book has a whole section on it.




>  From: authfriend 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 4:47 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Krishna like Christian evangelizing
>  
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  
> > wrote:
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sal, did you ever know Campbell in your past TM days?
> > > 
> > > No he's way before my time. I did like his book "The 7 states" 
> > > though. I don't agree with much it now mind you, but it's as 
> > > clearly written an exposition of the pre-sidhi teachings of Marshy
> > > as you'd want.
> > 
> > Agree. (sigh)
> > 
> > He's written a lot since then, including one book that
> > has a section detailing his disillusionment with TM
> > ("Totality Beliefs and the Religious Imagination").
> > 
> > His Website:
> > 
> > http://www.skepticviews.org.uk/essays/index.html
> 
> Sorry, that's a *page* on his Website. Here's the home
> page:
> 
> http://www.acampbell.org.uk/

[FairfieldLife] Re: What are Dreams?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> >  wrote:
(snip)
> > > >> Because individual minds seem so different and interpret the world 
> > > >> with such different perspectives, are we just local realities in a 
> > > >> larger reality, or hallucinations in a larger reality?
> > > > 
> > > > Whose hallucinations?
> > > 
> > > This is another question of interest. My thought on this is
> > > there is the field of experience, but there is no one, no
> > > who, that has them. There is no entity that has experience,
> > > it just simply exists that way, unadorned.
> > 
> > This strikes me as unhealthy in the extreme.
> 
> Why?

Because it rejects, nullifies, what makes you a human being.
It sells your birthright, your humanity, for a mess of
undifferentiated pottage. Or to use Guru Dev's metaphor,
for an ocean of uniformly salted water.



> The idea that there is an entity that has experiences is just a name, such as 
> 'me' that is applied to various processes in the field of experience. We are 
> trained from birth to give the body and the experiences associated with it a 
> name and a characteristic, like 'there is a soul in it'. It is a form of 
> conditioning. It is, in terms of growing up and managing the world and the 
> body a very convenient and often useful illusion. One of the more recent 
> philosophical ideas is the self, that is, our ideas of self, and sense of 
> self is a 'centre of narrative gravity' much like the concept of centre of 
> mass in physics. Here is a paper on the idea:
> 
> http://ase.tufts.edu/cogstud/papers/selfctr.htm
> 
> That form of conditioning is loosened with meditation although initially with 
> TC and CC the sense of an internal entity (or internal identity might be a 
> better way of expressing it), may be increased (Atman), but that is a passing 
> phase because it dissolves. Like Guru Dev's image of a doll of salt walking 
> into the ocean and dissolving, the experience individual identity comes 
> apart, the internal life one has begins to fade away, but it is not 
> necessarily disturbing, at least if one is prepared. Even early on in 
> meditation many people suddenly discover that the things they liked to do 
> somehow seem to fall flat and interests change. It is like that, but far more 
> extensive, one becomes as if transparent to the flow of nature, the internal 
> narrative of the mind subdues and stops interpreting and sensory experience 
> flows in without being twisted around in the intellect. The intellect, the 
> thinking process then becomes more like a tool, useful when needed, but no 
> longer is experienced as reality.
> > 
> > 
> >  So I think of this question as not the right question to ask, though at 
> > some stage of pondering what reality might be, it is probably a very useful 
> > question.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> I *said* that you couldn't do it, didn't I? But thank you for
> establishing once and for all which type of Missionary you are:

There's nothing to address in this, Barry. It's
not true, as anyone who reads my posts knows,
including you. Again, why do you bother to lie?

One more time:

"Just because something can be called a criticism
doesn't make it either valid or insightful, worth
making the effort to 'deal with.' Perhaps that's
what TMers are good at, knowing when a criticism
is so obviously feeble that all it merits is
mockery of the critic."

But thank *you* for proving my point that in this
post you weren't criticizing the TMO, contrary to
your claim; you were personally attacking your
"enemies" on FFL.


 
> The Unpaid Self-Appointed Malevolent Missionary.
> This is the type  most represented on FFL. You can always pinpoint
> them because they  rarely -- if ever -- post anything supportive of
> TM or Maharishi or the  TM-org without an *accompanying*
> putdown or insult. This type of  missionary seems to be motivated
> primarily by anger and outrage, as if  they are offended that anyone
> could DARE to challenge the Truth of  something they never have.
> They are the polar opposite of the 'bots in  that -- over time -- their
> credibility is diminished by the *sheer  amount* of personality
> they bring to what they say. Their *personal*  characteristics are
> often 180 degrees opposite of the qualities they're  claiming TM
> develops in its long-term practitioners.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > No, sorry, Barry, what I said about you stands. Has
> > > > nothing to do with how many of "us" there are.
> > > >
> > > > You dumped on DrD just the other day for not "dealing
> > > > with" your criticisms of him, but you never deal with
> > > > others' criticisms of you.
> > >
> > > That's a lie, or a deliberate attempt to misconstrue
> > > what I said. I criticized him -- and YOU -- for never
> > > dealing with my criticisms of the *TM movement* and
> > > its idiocies.
> >
> > Nope, you didn't specify which criticisms you had in
> > mind. In the post in question, you were criticizing *him*,
> > not the TM movement, in retaliation for his criticisms
> > of *you*.
> >
> > And you make far more personal criticisms than you do
> > criticisms of the movement in any case. You may have
> > known what you had in mind, but you didn't make it clear.
> >
> > > You don't even bother. What you do is
> > > just play "Shoot the messenger."
> >
> > Well, that isn't true of me, as you know. When you *do*
> > make criticisms of the TMO that have any substance to
> > them, I often respond substantively. Everyone here knows
> > this. Why do you bother to lie about it?
> >
> > > I neither expect nor want people to respond to any
> > > criticisms of them personally.
> >
> > That's revealing: You don't *want* anybody to respond
> > to your personal criticisms. Given what a high
> > percentage of them are grossly untrue, it's understandable
> > that you'd rather your targets didn't respond and point
> > out what a liar you are.
> >
> > > But when people have
> > > a tendency to lash out and react to criticisms of
> > > the TM movement with *only* attacks on the critic,
> > > I smell cult. I certainly smell it on you.
> >
> > I can't do anything about your olfactory problems
> > except suggest you consult an otorhinolaryngologist.
> > A psychiatrist might be helpful for your twisted
> > fantasies about the TMers here.
> >
> > > Or would you like to finally deal with my two posts
> > > a short while back about "The Missionary Position?"
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/343976
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/343977
> > >
> > > You didn't respond to that at all. Try to do it now
> > > without turning into a diatribe against me personally.
> > > I don't think you can.
> >
> > I'll repeat what I said earlier:
> >
> > "Just because something can be called a criticism
> > doesn't make it either valid or insightful, worth
> > making the effort to 'deal with.' Perhaps that's
> > what TMers are good at, knowing when a criticism
> > is so obviously feeble that all it merits is
> > mockery of the critic."
> >
> > You obviously took a lot of time with these and
> > were very proud of them. Sorry you didn't get the
> > response you believed you deserved, but I thought
> > they were pretty lame even for you.
> >
> > And in any case, they weren't criticisms of the TM
> > movement, they were personal attacks against your
> > "enemies" on FFL (except for the "celebrities"
> > afterthought post, which was just as lame as the
> > first).
> >
> > Just for fun, I'll put what you snipped from my post
> > back in so everyone sees what y

Re: [FairfieldLife] For Rick

[Michael Jackson]

I was just curious - I have heard about the grilling some people get for their 
activities, but never knew how it happened - it sounds like someone told 
someone who told someone and they booted you. Did they call you in and ask you 
to explain, or did they just say you were no longer welcome in the Dome. I 
wonder too if people who are not allowed in the Domes are allowed on campus for 
other functions like celebrations?





 From: Rick Archer 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 5:14 PM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] For Rick
 


  
From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Michael Jackson
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 2:43 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] For Rick
 
  
he hasn't said anything lately but in the past he has reviled her as a 
manipulative user and so forth - abuses people close to her an stuff like that.
 
Hasn’t been my experience, but then I’m not in the inner circle. I’ve found her 
to be incredibly giving of her time and energy, and her humanitarian projects 
are extensive.

So when you started to get into Amma, were you vocal about it, or just did it 
and somebody told somebody? 
 
I was sending out emails announcing little local events, making no attempt to 
conceal my identity.
 
 



From:Rick Archer 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 3:19 PM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] For Rick
 
  
 
From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Michael Jackson
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 7:39 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] For Rick
 
  
That is why they banned you from the Dome, for having FFL?
 
They banned me for Amma stuff. Ironically, I had started FFL a week or two 
before that, but they weren’t aware of it yet. Undoubtedly that was a more 
serious offence. But if I hadn’t done either of those, they would probably have 
banned me by now for doing BatGap (“promoting other teachers”). So three 
strikes and I’m out.

And since you have been doing Amma stuff, what do you think of Ravi's take on 
her?
 
Haven’t been following his posts. What’s the gist of it?
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Petition to offer meditation in schools

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> I've talked to him - he's a decent guy doing the best he knows
> how. And his approach has some merit in fact.

He was on FFL for a while back when he was trying to figure
out how to sell Maharishi's sandals, had some very interesting
stuff to say about his time with Maharishi. Seemed very sweet
and very bright. He subsequently did a BatGap interview and
talked about the book he's selling now.

He was in bad financial shape with almost no resources at
the time he was selling the sandals. If he can now support
himself by selling the book he's written and the teaching
method he's developed because people find them useful,
more power to him.


> 
>  From: Alex Stanley 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 4:16 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Petition to offer meditation in schools
>  
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > U
> > 
> > This appears to be a ploy to get his book better known.
> > 
> > Mark Landau is the author of the book he is advocating everyone read
> > to learn how to do the meditation he advocates the US encourage all
> > students to learn.
> 
> From used sandal salesman to new-age meditation huckster... that's quite a 
> career arc.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev and the Revival of Knowledge

[Bhairitu]

On 05/25/2013 08:27 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
>
> mjackson74:
>> If Guru Dev had lived and saw what a mockery
>> Marshy made of what Guru Dev taught he would
>> have kicked Marshy's ass from Delhi to Kashmir
>> and back again.
>>
> So, you're thinking MMY got your bija mantra
> thingy wrong?

Beej aksharas as a meditation technique might be something you'd be more 
likely to get from an Indian astrologer or even an vaidya than a yoga guru.

RE: [FairfieldLife] For Rick

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Michael Jackson
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 2:43 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] For Rick

 

  

he hasn't said anything lately but in the past he has reviled her as a 
manipulative user and so forth - abuses people close to her an stuff like that.

 

Hasn’t been my experience, but then I’m not in the inner circle. I’ve found her 
to be incredibly giving of her time and energy, and her humanitarian projects 
are extensive.

So when you started to get into Amma, were you vocal about it, or just did it 
and somebody told somebody? 

 

I was sending out emails announcing little local events, making no attempt to 
conceal my identity.

 

 

  _  

From: Rick Archer mailto:r...@searchsummit.com> >
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com   
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 3:19 PM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] For Rick

 

  

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com   
[mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Jackson
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 7:39 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  
Subject: [FairfieldLife] For Rick

 

  

That is why they banned you from the Dome, for having FFL?

 

They banned me for Amma stuff. Ironically, I had started FFL a week or two 
before that, but they weren’t aware of it yet. Undoubtedly that was a more 
serious offence. But if I hadn’t done either of those, they would probably have 
banned me by now for doing BatGap (“promoting other teachers”). So three 
strikes and I’m out.

And since you have been doing Amma stuff, what do you think of Ravi's take on 
her?

 

Haven’t been following his posts. What’s the gist of it?

 

[FairfieldLife] The World's End

[Bhairitu]

For those who were fans of "Shaun of the Dead" and "Hot Fuzz" British 
comedies here's the trailer to "The World's End" releasing in August:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ibQvQUpMTg

Looks fun!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev and the Revival of Knowledge

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>>
>> If Guru Dev had lived and saw what a mockery Marshy 
>> made of what Guru Dev taught he would have kicked 
>> Marshy's ass from Delhi to Kashmir and back again.
> 
> In all honesty, I've always assumed that the reason
> Maharishi became so reclusive -- confining himself
> to his room in Vlodrop and seeing almost no one 
> except over closed-circuit TV for the last years of
> his life after his heart attack in an attempt to
> keep living -- was because on some level, being as 
> superstitious as he was, he was terrified that after
> he died he'd meet Guru Dev again, and have to account 
> for what he'd done in his name. 

I really doubt that Turq. But some of the later videos I saw seemed to indicate 
he had some growth, I think around his left eyebrow at some point. And he did 
not seem particularly dynamic in those last years. He did not have the clarity 
of mind of his younger self.

Perhaps his visual appearance was kept under wraps. Perfect Health, you know. 
While I suspect he was superstitious, as are an enormous number of meditators I 
have known, and in fact, just about everyone I have ever met actually. Probably 
I have some I am not aware of. It probably was cultural, he shared a lot of the 
superstitions Indians have. It would have been interesting to know what he 
thought might happen after death, though when younger he presented that subject 
in the standard enlightenment form that nothing happens.

What does happen experientially at death? Maybe we should ask Dr Dumbass, since 
we have a bona fide announcement of enlightenment from him. He should know, 
would you not say?

This brings up another question about enlightenment. Does enlightenment have 
any effect on a person's superstitions? Does the tendency a person has to be 
superstitious decline at some point during all these practices that are said to 
lead to enlightenment?

My view, at the moment, is enlightenment, that is, the path of enlightenment is 
a superstition, and when that runs its course, it evaporates, and everything is 
normal again. Enlightenment is the ultimate confidence game. Bernie Madoff 
could not cast a shadow over this con, which is the most divinely crafted 
subterfuge that could ever be invented, built into the structure of the world. 
Because it is built into to us, anyone who knows the con can pick up followers 
if they choose to inform of its existence. In certain ways it is a worthwhile 
job, but few people seem to have enough integrity to get people to the other 
side of the con so they are free of it.

The side effects of the path of enlightenment are often worse than drug 
addiction for some individuals. For some it seems quite good.

I think one of the reasons is people associate enlightenment with morality, but 
it has nothing to do with morality because it cannot make you better, it can 
only make you what you already are, and if you are corrupt, you may still be 
corrupt, though you have a chance to reform. Because it does not change who or 
what you are, there is a strong tendency for people to put the teacher on a 
platform of superiority, and people turn their lives over to the teacher, which 
is a serious mistake, because no human being is, in the eyes of another human 
being, without some kind of flaw. 

Ideally the teacher provides information to the student, and the student 
eventually stands on their own two feet and can be totally independent, but 
this seldom seems to happen. And so we have missionaries who in order to 
function need the crutch of the teacher's name to bolster them up.

I really doubt that Turq. But some of the later videos I saw seemed to indicate 
he had some growth, I think around his left eyebrow at some point. And he did 
not seem particularly dynamic in those last years. He did not have the clarity 
of mind of his younger self.

Perhaps his visual appearance was kept under wraps. Perfect Health, you know. 
While I suspect he was superstitious, as are an enormous number of meditators I 
have known, and just about everyone I have ever met actually. It probably was 
cultural, he shared a lot of the superstitions Indians have. It would have been 
interesting to know what he thought might happen after death, though when 
younger he presented that subject in the standard enlightenment form that 
nothing happens.

What does happen experientially at death? Maybe we should ask Dr Dumbass, since 
we have a bona fide announcement of enlightenment from him. He should know, 
would you not say?

This brings up another question about enlightenment. Does enlightenment have 
any effect on a person's superstitions? Does the tendency a person has to be 
superstitious decline at some point during all these practices that are said to 
lead to enlightenment?

My view, at the moment, is enlightenment, that is, the path of enlightenment is 
a superstition, and when that

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Krishna like Christian evangelizing

[Michael Jackson]

Thanks for posting this - its interesting that on his web page he lists all the 
books he has written EXCEPT for 7 States  - speaks volumes in and of itself.





 From: authfriend 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 4:47 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Krishna like Christian evangelizing
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Sal, did you ever know Campbell in your past TM days?
> > 
> > No he's way before my time. I did like his book "The 7 states" 
> > though. I don't agree with much it now mind you, but it's as 
> > clearly written an exposition of the pre-sidhi teachings of Marshy
> > as you'd want.
> 
> Agree. (sigh)
> 
> He's written a lot since then, including one book that
> has a section detailing his disillusionment with TM
> ("Totality Beliefs and the Religious Imagination").
> 
> His Website:
> 
> http://www.skepticviews.org.uk/essays/index.html

Sorry, that's a *page* on his Website. Here's the home
page:

http://www.acampbell.org.uk/


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Krishna like Christian evangelizing

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Sal, did you ever know Campbell in your past TM days?
> > 
> > No he's way before my time. I did like his book "The 7 states" 
> > though. I don't agree with much it now mind you, but it's as 
> > clearly written an exposition of the pre-sidhi teachings of Marshy
> > as you'd want.
> 
> Agree. (sigh)
> 
> He's written a lot since then, including one book that
> has a section detailing his disillusionment with TM
> ("Totality Beliefs and the Religious Imagination").
> 
> His Website:
> 
> http://www.skepticviews.org.uk/essays/index.html

Sorry, that's a *page* on his Website. Here's the home
page:

http://www.acampbell.org.uk/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Krishna like Christian evangelizing

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Sal, did you ever know Campbell in your past TM days?
> 
> No he's way before my time. I did like his book "The 7 states" 
> though. I don't agree with much it now mind you, but it's as 
> clearly written an exposition of the pre-sidhi teachings of Marshy
> as you'd want.

Agree. (sigh)

He's written a lot since then, including one book that
has a section detailing his disillusionment with TM
("Totality Beliefs and the Religious Imagination").

His Website:

http://www.skepticviews.org.uk/essays/index.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Androidish"(?) Hope (aashaa) for (mainly) Indians?

[Bhairitu]

"MeeGo" didn't go anywhere.  Android is a free OS that any manufacturer 
can put on a phone.  If they want Google Play and Maps on it then they 
have to pay a fee for that but it has dropped from $50 per unit to 
something apparently very reasonable since cheap phones are now coming 
with Play and Maps. In the US you can buy an Android smartphone with 
QVGA (I don't recommend those because it's too low a resolution) for 
$50-$70.

Lesson to be learned from Palm devices.  It was cheap and easy to 
develop for the Palm.  Then HP bought Palm and introduced WebOS. It 
didn't go anywhere and unless you bought some companies emulator your 
old Palm software wouldn't work on it.  The iPhone became popular not 
just because it was from Apple but because there were a lot of apps for 
it.  Android has become popular because there are a lot of apps for it 
and the phones are less expensive than the iPhone.  People want apps and 
the availability of apps for niche interests is very important.  So what 
about MeeGo apps?

What is their about Finns that there is so much ego tied up in Nokia.  I 
would bet that an Nokia Android phone would help put them center stage 
again.  But Nokia seems to hate Google.  They are holding up the  
licensing of a patent used in VP9 which will be a free codec for 
streaming movies.  Google has settled with all other patent holders.  
Nokia is a spoiled sport and maybe Google should buy them.

On 05/25/2013 11:39 AM, card wrote:
> FWIW, Wiki:
>
> The Nokia N9 (codename 'Lankku', Finnish for "a flat plank of wood") is a 
> smartphone made by Nokia running on the Linux-based MeeGo "Harmattan" mobile 
> operating system. First released in September 2011, it was the first and only 
> device from Nokia with MeeGo. It was released in three colors: black, cyan 
> and magenta, before Nokia announced on Nokia World 2011 the white version of 
> the phone.
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>> On 05/25/2013 03:03 AM, card wrote:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6iMsePF0kk
>>>
>>> Well, I'm not at all sure whether the OS is Linux-based
>>> or not... :o
>>>
>>>
>> "Nokia's at the forefront of that change".
>>
>> LOL.  Yes, the tech world has noticed that as Nokia scrambles to catch
>> up.   Coming up, Nokia shows their new levitating phone. :-D
>>
>> There are already lots of inexpensive Android phones.
>>
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] For Rick

[Ravi Chivukula]

No - the gist of it is Amma is the supreme, omniscient, omnipotent Divine 
Mother and Ravi - a crazy, insane bastard.


On May 25, 2013, at 12:43 PM, Michael Jackson  wrote:

> he hasn't said anything lately but in the past he has reviled her as a 
> manipulative user and so forth - abuses people close to her an stuff like 
> that.
> 
> So when you started to get into Amma, were you vocal about it, or just did it 
> and somebody told somebody? 
> 
> 
> From: Rick Archer 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 3:19 PM
> Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] For Rick
> 
>  
>  
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Michael Jackson
> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 7:39 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] For Rick
>  
>  
> That is why they banned you from the Dome, for having FFL?
>  
> They banned me for Amma stuff. Ironically, I had started FFL a week or two 
> before that, but they weren’t aware of it yet. Undoubtedly that was a more 
> serious offence. But if I hadn’t done either of those, they would probably 
> have banned me by now for doing BatGap (“promoting other teachers”). So three 
> strikes and I’m out.
> 
> And since you have been doing Amma stuff, what do you think of Ravi's take on 
> her?
>  
> Haven’t been following his posts. What’s the gist of it?
> 
> 
> 

[FairfieldLife] Mongolian Ping Pong

[Share Long]

One reason to love rainy weather:  I discovered at the library what I call a 
little gem of a movie.  No one famous in it.  Set in Mongolia like Weeping 
Camel but with a plot line similar to The Gods Must Be Crazy.  Astonishing 
scenery.  A fascinating culture.  Sweet characters.  The very last scene moved 
me so deeply:  we humans are so similar to one another no matter where we live. 
   

Re: [FairfieldLife] For Rick

[Michael Jackson]

he hasn't said anything lately but in the past he has reviled her as a 
manipulative user and so forth - abuses people close to her an stuff like that.

So when you started to get into Amma, were you vocal about it, or just did it 
and somebody told somebody? 





 From: Rick Archer 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 3:19 PM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] For Rick
 


  
 
From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Michael Jackson
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 7:39 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] For Rick
 
  
That is why they banned you from the Dome, for having FFL?
 
They banned me for Amma stuff. Ironically, I had started FFL a week or two 
before that, but they weren’t aware of it yet. Undoubtedly that was a more 
serious offence. But if I hadn’t done either of those, they would probably have 
banned me by now for doing BatGap (“promoting other teachers”). So three 
strikes and I’m out.

And since you have been doing Amma stuff, what do you think of Ravi's take on 
her?
 
Haven’t been following his posts. What’s the gist of it?
 

RE: [FairfieldLife] For Rick

[Rick Archer]

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Michael Jackson
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 7:39 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] For Rick

 

  

That is why they banned you from the Dome, for having FFL?

 

They banned me for Amma stuff. Ironically, I had started FFL a week or two 
before that, but they weren’t aware of it yet. Undoubtedly that was a more 
serious offence. But if I hadn’t done either of those, they would probably have 
banned me by now for doing BatGap (“promoting other teachers”). So three 
strikes and I’m out.

And since you have been doing Amma stuff, what do you think of Ravi's take on 
her?

 

Haven’t been following his posts. What’s the gist of it?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of Affairs

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> This could be an interesting foray into the depths of depravity
> for anyone interested in such things. I know I might be...
> 
> http://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/television/behind-the-candelabra-a-liberace-tale-of-romance-and-malice/article12129909/

I don't have HBO, so I won't get to see it until it becomes
available elsewhere, but I've been fascinated reading all
the anticipatory stuff that's been written about it.

I've never been able to watch more than a few minutes of the
real Liberace at a time without getting totally grossed out,
but I still have a bit of a soft spot in my heart for him
because, schlock and sordidness aside, he was such a generous
performer.

This morning there's a review in the NYTimes that's pretty
interesting:

http://tv.nytimes.com/2013/05/25/arts/television/behind-the-candelabra-starring-michael-douglas-on-hbo.html?_r=0

http://tinyurl.com/objsfr4

It touts the production and Douglas's and Damon's 
performances but finds something essential missing.

The last paragraph:

"...While Mr. Douglas glides through the film — demonstrating that his talent 
for portraying carnivorous lechery and polished duplicity works regardless of 
sexual orientation — and Mr. Damon is earnest and committed, the love, or 
whatever it was, between Thorson and Liberace never comes into emotional focus. 
If the impressively assembled 'Behind the Candelabra' is indeed Mr. 
Soderbergh's last film, as he has intimated, his final achievement — in part — 
will have been to get two of Hollywood's most bankable actors naked together 
without giving us a very good time."

I wonder about the wisdom of casting two straight actors
in the main parts. It feels somehow like the old days when
Hollywood insisted on casting ethnic lead roles with white
actors.

One of the articles I read about the TV movie linked to a
YouTube of Liberace's extended cameo scene in the 1965
black comedy "The Loved One," one of his very few film
performances, in which he plays a creepy casket salesman.
He does a good job; it was a revelation to me that he
could be this restrained and subtle:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yfTC5F2FkeI

His appearance begins at 1:36 in.

And here's the real deal, the introduction to one of his
Vegas performances in 1981 (which includes Scott Thorson as
his bespangled chauffeur driving the Rolls Royce onstage):

www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dioRwB4RvrQ

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Androidish"(?) Hope (aashaa) for (mainly) Indians?

[card]

FWIW, Wiki:

The Nokia N9 (codename 'Lankku', Finnish for "a flat plank of wood") is a 
smartphone made by Nokia running on the Linux-based MeeGo "Harmattan" mobile 
operating system. First released in September 2011, it was the first and only 
device from Nokia with MeeGo. It was released in three colors: black, cyan and 
magenta, before Nokia announced on Nokia World 2011 the white version of the 
phone.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 05/25/2013 03:03 AM, card wrote:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6iMsePF0kk
> >
> > Well, I'm not at all sure whether the OS is Linux-based
> > or not... :o
> >
> >
> 
> "Nokia's at the forefront of that change".
> 
> LOL.  Yes, the tech world has noticed that as Nokia scrambles to catch 
> up.   Coming up, Nokia shows their new levitating phone. :-D
> 
> There are already lots of inexpensive Android phones.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Slander and Defamation, was BatGap Panel Discussiï

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> It's not slander unless it's untrue.  And  it won't be proven to be untrue 
> unless he takes me to court and there's no chance of that, BECAUSE HE KNOWS 
> WUT HE DONE.
> 
> And as for you, you fucking hatred-incarnate war mongering shit-for-brains 
> cultural wart -- I invite you to sue me too!  I can't think of a moment in my 
> whole life that would as enjoyable as getting served such papers.
> 
> Edg


Unless Edg and MJ promise to get back on their medication Rick should kick 
these nutcases out of here. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: really Depraved???

[Richard J. Williams]

srijau:
> same paper, Toronto's ruling family is secretly 
> former drug mobster's
>
It's looking like a good day to post slander to FFL. 

Well, I hope Rick and Alex are proud to be associated 
with this rumor-mongering newsgroup. There's nothing 
like getting your news from the Globe and Mail! LoL!

[FairfieldLife] Re: John Hagelin's private sex life, was Moderated by Rick Archer

[Richard J. Williams]

Buck:
> The escapades of Girish Varma recently is 
> another one of those opportunities for anyone 
> on the Standing Committee of TM to come out 
> front and declare who they are morally now and 
> what they are doing going forward with the New 
> TM Org...
>
Well, I guess it's kind of interesting, the sex
lives of the TMO, but what does it have to do
with us practicing basic TM?

Sure, you and Edg have a vested interest in the
comings-and-goings of people like MMY, JH and
MW, and maybe you're interested in the private
sex life of LBS, or the lack of it - I don't 
know. Go figure.

But, the only thing about it I want to know is: 
did they enjoy? So, why bring Rick and his NG
into this?

[FairfieldLife] Re: John Hagelin's private sex life, was Moderated by Rick Archer

[Buck]

In scandal control,
The New TM Org Standing Committee of TM that is representing and in control of 
Transcendental Meditation since the passing of Maharishi has missed every 
opportunity to come out saying "no we are not that, we are this..."   The 
escapades of Girish Varma recently is another one of those opportunities for 
anyone on the Standing Committee of TM to come out front and declare who they 
are morally now and what they are doing going forward with the New TM Org.  
Their vacuum and inability to do this is deafening.  They as a result are being 
defined by their scandal.  This is not good for the future of Transcendental 
Meditation.  Someone with some courage needs to step forward and re-define 
themselves.  Someone like that TM priest from Latin America who can speak with 
some moral authority.  The others have abdicated their chances at it.  
-Buck in the Dome

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
>
> The whole TM movement could take a page from political advisers consulting 
> about the rehabilitation of public figures who mis-stepped.  Come out saying 
> repeatedly you are sorry, that you are not that, ask for forgiveness, and 
> move on.  Like the guy coming back from stupid scandal running for Mayor of 
> New York now.   
> 
> Scandal is defined as "loss of or damage to reputation caused by actual or 
> apparent violation of morality or propriety." Scandal is not the same as 
> controversy, which implies two differing points of view, or unpopularity.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_sex_scandals_in_the_United_States
> 
> -Buck, the TM-running-dog of FFL
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
> >
> > feste37:
> > > No deal. I have no anger toward you. I just 
> > > think it's pathetic to use this forum to 
> > > accuse others of sexual immorality. You 
> > > admit it's just gossip. You don't even know 
> > > the man. An accusation like that makes you 
> > > look bad, far more so than your intended 
> > > target. It makes you look petty and vicious 
> > > and self-righteous. Are you without sin, 
> > > Duveyoung? If not, STFU about others.
> > >
> > Well, we don't know much about Edg's private
> > sex life, if he has one. But, I don't see how
> > a guy that's been working for free for the TMO
> > 'for 29' years would have any money to defend
> > himself, if he were sued for slander. 
> > 
> > Is adultery even illegal in Iowa?
> > 
> > > > Hey, let me double down:  I say it's 
> > > > absolutely true that he was an  adulterer. 
> > > > THERE, now let him sue me.  I got the money 
> > > > and the time to rake him over the coals.  
> > > > I bet I could get hundreds of witnesses.  
> > > > It would be spectacular!  
> > > > 
> > > > And Fester, you gotta look at your anger 
> > > > towards me as much as I have to look at my 
> > > > anger toward Heggy.deal?
> > > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Only God Forgives

[turquoiseb]

But if one existed, even He couldn't forgive this movie.
What an *astounding* waste of talent. 

I saw it having read *nothing* about it, only because of
the director's name on the poster as I walked by a theater
in Odeon this afternoon. I paid my money and walked in,
expecting good things because I thought his previous film
"Drive" was a great movie, one of the best examples of 
Neo-Film Noir I've ever seen. 

I should have read the reviews. 

All glitz and flash, no content. Very little storytelling,
even. It's like Nicolas Winding Refn wrote it while under
the effects of Bad Street Acid while watching bad Asian
macho movies back-to-back in a sleazy Bangkok hotel room. 

LOTS of uber-violence. Buck should not even read this
mini-review, much less see the movie. But it's also 
pointless violence, done for its visual effect and little
else. Ryan Gosling has even less dialogue in this film
than in "Drive," which is really saying something, and
seems to be there just to pose in front of the camera
as if deep, troubled thoughts were going on in his head.
Russell Crowe can get away with that, but Gosling can't.

The film had only one redeeming quality for me. There
is a female character in the film who is SO over the 
top and SO jaw-dropping in her evilnessitudeness that
I was transfixed by her every time she appeared onscreen.
And it was driving me CRAZY, because I *knew* that I 
should know who it was, but for the life of me I 
couldn't figure out who it was. 

This should be taken as a compliment -- to her acting
ability and to her ability to SO completely transform
herself as to render herself unrecognizable by a film
freak such as myself, who has seen her in dozens of
movies. The actress was Kristin Scott-Thomas.

The French will probably love it. It's a contender at
the Cannes Film Festival currently going on here. They
may even give it an award, as they've done in the past
for films they can't figure out, assuming that the
reason is that they're deep and meaningful and filled
with Great Cosmic Importance. 

The French also like Jerry Lewis and David Lynch. 
'Nuff said.

[FairfieldLife] Re: John Hegelin's private sex life, was Moderated by Rick Archer

[Buck]

The whole TM movement could take a page from political advisers consulting 
about the rehabilitation of public figures who mis-stepped.  Come out saying 
repeatedly you are sorry, that you are not that, ask for forgiveness, and move 
on.  Like the guy coming back from stupid scandal running for Mayor of New York 
now.   

Scandal is defined as "loss of or damage to reputation caused by actual or 
apparent violation of morality or propriety." Scandal is not the same as 
controversy, which implies two differing points of view, or unpopularity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_sex_scandals_in_the_United_States

-Buck, the TM-running-dog of FFL

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
>
> feste37:
> > No deal. I have no anger toward you. I just 
> > think it's pathetic to use this forum to 
> > accuse others of sexual immorality. You 
> > admit it's just gossip. You don't even know 
> > the man. An accusation like that makes you 
> > look bad, far more so than your intended 
> > target. It makes you look petty and vicious 
> > and self-righteous. Are you without sin, 
> > Duveyoung? If not, STFU about others.
> >
> Well, we don't know much about Edg's private
> sex life, if he has one. But, I don't see how
> a guy that's been working for free for the TMO
> 'for 29' years would have any money to defend
> himself, if he were sued for slander. 
> 
> Is adultery even illegal in Iowa?
> 
> > > Hey, let me double down:  I say it's 
> > > absolutely true that he was an  adulterer. 
> > > THERE, now let him sue me.  I got the money 
> > > and the time to rake him over the coals.  
> > > I bet I could get hundreds of witnesses.  
> > > It would be spectacular!  
> > > 
> > > And Fester, you gotta look at your anger 
> > > towards me as much as I have to look at my 
> > > anger toward Heggy.deal?
> > >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev and the Revival of Knowledge

[Michael Jackson]

ha! I never thought about that - I think he was in dementia those last years 
and his handlers put him in the room to shield the TMO from reality - if he 
could have dementia, then his followers would have to deal with his not being 
enlightened. I wonder if any of those gold tie wearin' asses will ever have the 
courage to tell the truth.





 From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 12:53 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev and the Revival of Knowledge
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> If Guru Dev had lived and saw what a mockery Marshy 
> made of what Guru Dev taught he would have kicked 
> Marshy's ass from Delhi to Kashmir and back again.

In all honesty, I've always assumed that the reason
Maharishi became so reclusive -- confining himself
to his room in Vlodrop and seeing almost no one 
except over closed-circuit TV for the last years of
his life after his heart attack in an attempt to
keep living -- was because on some level, being as 
superstitious as he was, he was terrified that after
he died he'd meet Guru Dev again, and have to account 
for what he'd done in his name. 

> 
>  From: Dick Mays 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 7:23 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Guru Dev and the Revival of Knowledge
> 
> Guru Dev and the Revival of Knowledge
> Catalina Island, USA, 10 October, 1961
> 
> 
> Maharishi speaks about his divine master Guru Dev, His Divinity Brahmanand 
> Saraswati, Jagadguru Bhagavan Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math, Bhadrikashram, 
> Himalayas
> 
> “As Shakaracharya, he was found to have the great intellect of the first 
> Shankaracharya and the heart of Buddha, the loveable, soft heart of Buddha 
> and the great intellect of Shankara, and that was his personality. He 
> wouldn’t go much in details of the philosophical discussions, but what he 
> spoke was simple truths of life, but very simple, so piercing they went 
> straight home to heart.
> 
>  Those were the meetings in open airâ€"all the time in open, except in the 
> rains, open air meetings. We used to have sixteen, twenty, twelve, eight, 
> twelve big, big mics to cover the range of about 50,000 people, 100,000 
> peopleâ€"like that, just for his evening discourses. And he would hardly 
> speak thirty minutes, forty. Forty minutes was the maximum that he went 
> sometimes. But every word that he spoke was so powerful, was so piercing, was 
> so convincing.
> 
> First people would see him and would be transformed to all good life. 
> Whatever remained there, buried in the subconscious, will come out when they 
> hear his words.
> 
> Very great atheists have just been transformed, not by the logic or not by 
> the deep exposition of anything great which they did not know before, but the 
> truth exposed in so simple words and in such great force of life-force, that 
> they couldn’t but only be transformed. The motorcar will pass from there 
> and he would be speaking, and if the car is not very fast, if the driver 
> happens to hear some words, immediately he’ll put up the break and stop and 
> listenâ€"can’t pass on; he has to stop. Such charm was there in his words, 
> and such great simplicity and depth of thought, and he charmed the child and 
> the old all alike. It was a pin-drop silence of 50,000, 100,000 people, just 
> pinâ€"drop.
>  
> Before him used to speak some big, learned Panditsâ€"famous, big, learned 
> Pandits of northern India. They go with Shakaracharya all the time. That is 
> customary, some famous astrologers in his retinue, some big, famous 
> professors of Vedant, of Yogaâ€"all these, they go along with him. So these 
> big, big, huge intellectual giants used to speak before him. Some would speak 
> one hour, some would speak half an hour like that, and there was a marked 
> difference in what they spoke and what he spoke.
> 
> And for initiations it was, it was, it was an unprecedented gathering to take 
> initiations from him. Just it was tremendous, tremendous. Those who have seen 
> those days have been so fortunate, and those who have seen me moving about in 
> that atmosphere, they know how the grace of Guru Dev has dawned and how when 
> they hear the stories in these parts, how it is happening, what is happening, 
> then they say: Oh, it's not surprise, yes, he has received the grace of Guru 
> Dev. All but his grace and nothing else.
> 
> Except his grace, I don’t have anything, and God willing the whole world is 
> going to enjoy. So we are fortunate, and all of you are very fortunate to 
> have his grace so far from India, but the fortune is there. Only we have to 
> share our fortune with all our fellow men, and we have to do our utmost what 
> we can to bring this meditation to all the people in all the ways possible 
> for everyone of us.
> 
> This, if I could have some real, good cooperation of

[FairfieldLife] really Depraved???

[srijau]

same paper, Toronto's ruling family is secretly former drug mobster's

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/globe-investigation-the-ford-familys-history-with-drug-dealing/article12153014/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev and the Revival of Knowledge

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> If Guru Dev had lived and saw what a mockery Marshy 
> made of what Guru Dev taught he would have kicked 
> Marshy's ass from Delhi to Kashmir and back again.

In all honesty, I've always assumed that the reason
Maharishi became so reclusive -- confining himself
to his room in Vlodrop and seeing almost no one 
except over closed-circuit TV for the last years of
his life after his heart attack in an attempt to
keep living -- was because on some level, being as 
superstitious as he was, he was terrified that after
he died he'd meet Guru Dev again, and have to account 
for what he'd done in his name. 

> 
>  From: Dick Mays 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 7:23 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Guru Dev and the Revival of Knowledge
>  
> Guru Dev and the Revival of Knowledge
> Catalina Island, USA, 10 October, 1961
> 
> 
> Maharishi speaks about his divine master Guru Dev, His Divinity Brahmanand 
> Saraswati, Jagadguru Bhagavan Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math, Bhadrikashram, 
> Himalayas
> 
> “As Shakaracharya, he was found to have the great intellect of the first 
> Shankaracharya and the heart of Buddha, the loveable, soft heart of Buddha 
> and the great intellect of Shankara, and that was his personality. He 
> wouldn’t go much in details of the philosophical discussions, but what he 
> spoke was simple truths of life, but very simple, so piercing they went 
> straight home to heart.
> 
>  Those were the meetings in open airâ€"all the time in open, except in the 
> rains, open air meetings. We used to have sixteen, twenty, twelve, eight, 
> twelve big, big mics to cover the range of about 50,000 people, 100,000 
> peopleâ€"like that, just for his evening discourses. And he would hardly 
> speak thirty minutes, forty. Forty minutes was the maximum that he went 
> sometimes. But every word that he spoke was so powerful, was so piercing, was 
> so convincing.
> 
> First people would see him and would be transformed to all good life. 
> Whatever remained there, buried in the subconscious, will come out when they 
> hear his words.
> 
> Very great atheists have just been transformed, not by the logic or not by 
> the deep exposition of anything great which they did not know before, but the 
> truth exposed in so simple words and in such great force of life-force, that 
> they couldn’t but only be transformed. The motorcar will pass from there 
> and he would be speaking, and if the car is not very fast, if the driver 
> happens to hear some words, immediately he’ll put up the break and stop and 
> listenâ€"can’t pass on; he has to stop. Such charm was there in his words, 
> and such great simplicity and depth of thought, and he charmed the child and 
> the old all alike. It was a pin-drop silence of 50,000, 100,000 people, just 
> pinâ€"drop.
>  
> Before him used to speak some big, learned Panditsâ€"famous, big, learned 
> Pandits of northern India. They go with Shakaracharya all the time. That is 
> customary, some famous astrologers in his retinue, some big, famous 
> professors of Vedant, of Yogaâ€"all these, they go along with him. So these 
> big, big, huge intellectual giants used to speak before him. Some would speak 
> one hour, some would speak half an hour like that, and there was a marked 
> difference in what they spoke and what he spoke.
> 
> And for initiations it was, it was, it was an unprecedented gathering to take 
> initiations from him. Just it was tremendous, tremendous. Those who have seen 
> those days have been so fortunate, and those who have seen me moving about in 
> that atmosphere, they know how the grace of Guru Dev has dawned and how when 
> they hear the stories in these parts, how it is happening, what is happening, 
> then they say: Oh, it's not surprise, yes, he has received the grace of Guru 
> Dev. All but his grace and nothing else.
> 
> Except his grace, I don’t have anything, and God willing the whole world is 
> going to enjoy. So we are fortunate, and all of you are very fortunate to 
> have his grace so far from India, but the fortune is there. Only we have to 
> share our fortune with all our fellow men, and we have to do our utmost what 
> we can to bring this meditation to all the people in all the ways possible 
> for everyone of us.
> 
> This, if I could have some real, good cooperation of all the people who come 
> in my contact, it would be something. The whole world will become so full 
> with all sublime essence of human life. Humanity will be changed into 
> divinity just direct. We have seen his life, so we know what divine could be 
> in man’s life: just fullness of divinity. That is all the strength that I 
> have, and that you should fee in yourself. Such great power, such great 
> wisdom, such great bliss.
> That is something about Guru Dev.
>

[FairfieldLife] John Hegelin's private sex life, was Moderated by Rick Archer

[Richard J. Williams]

feste37:
> No deal. I have no anger toward you. I just 
> think it's pathetic to use this forum to 
> accuse others of sexual immorality. You 
> admit it's just gossip. You don't even know 
> the man. An accusation like that makes you 
> look bad, far more so than your intended 
> target. It makes you look petty and vicious 
> and self-righteous. Are you without sin, 
> Duveyoung? If not, STFU about others.
>
Well, we don't know much about Edg's private
sex life, if he has one. But, I don't see how
a guy that's been working for free for the TMO
'for 29' years would have any money to defend
himself, if he were sued for slander. 

Is adultery even illegal in Iowa?

> > Hey, let me double down:  I say it's 
> > absolutely true that he was an  adulterer. 
> > THERE, now let him sue me.  I got the money 
> > and the time to rake him over the coals.  
> > I bet I could get hundreds of witnesses.  
> > It would be spectacular!  
> > 
> > And Fester, you gotta look at your anger 
> > towards me as much as I have to look at my 
> > anger toward Heggy.deal?
> > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Man In Paris, v3.01

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> turq, I often encounter devoted and long term TMers who 
> even currently enjoy spending time with their children 
> and grandchildren. As regards living for enlightenment, 
> many of the sidhas I know are living for the sake of 
> living itself, the richness of it, just riding those 
> waves of life. Yes, they engage in a particular activity 
> to develop themselves more, but isn't that part of being 
> human? 

Only for those who believe that life is not fulfilled
in every moment, and that there is something "more" to
achieve. 

> For example, don't you yourself engage in activities to 
> develop as a writer? 

Other than writing itself? Never. 

> Anyway, you sound angry in your last paragraph. Were you? 

The only reason I'm replying is that you are the fourth
person to have gotten their buttons pushed by two little
words, "Fuck enlightenment." When I saw the reactions
in Message View, I honestly had to go back to reread
the original piece to figure out what they were talking
about. There was not a *microgram* of anger in me as
I wrote that. It is simply how I feel about enlight-
enment. It, the reverence for it, and the desire to
attain or realize it simply have no place in my life.
I felt no emotion whatsoever writing those words, 
because the concept of enlightenment holds no interest
for me whatsoever. It was as meaningless an aside as
if I'd said, "Fuck ketchup." 

> If yes, why? 

Irrelevant. Someday you should learn that the fact that
someone does not necessarily have to feel the same way
about things as you do. Enlightenment, schmitenment.
I've never seen -- or experienced -- any evidence that
it does anything for anyone other than the person who
is experiencing it. It's a *completely* subjective 
experience, of no benefit to any other human being. 
Living in hope of "attaining" or "realizing" that? 
What a waste of life. But living in hope of doing 
something nice for someone else? Now that's something 
worth living for. 

Given a choice between spending a little quality time 
with Maya or being enlightened, and I'd go for Mayatime 
anytime. Given a choice of spending time with any 
supposedly enlightened being in history -- including 
the original Buddha -- and I'd go for Mayatime anytime. 

In all honesty, if you had ever had long flashes or 
periods of enlightenment, you might feel differently
about it. I have. I prefer Mayatime, and here-and-
now-time, anytime. 

> 
>  From: turquoiseb 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 4:59 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Free Man In Paris, v3.01
>  
> I was having dinner with a friend from work last night in a small
> restaurant on the Ile St. Louis, and it turned into an interesting
> opportunity to teach, and to learn. My friend is someone I work with --
> another American ex-pat, a former jazz pianist turned tech writer,
> originally from San Francisco but living and working here in Europe for
> the last dozen years, so we have a lot in common and lots to talk about.
> But we wound up talking about none of those things because two people
> came in and sat at the small table next to us.
> 
> They were an older woman (but younger than either of us) and a young
> girl (who we learned was 12). The girl heard us talking in English and
> started a conversation, and I'm glad she did. It turns out she is from
> Atlanta, brought here by her grandmother for her first trip to Europe.
> The grandmother is doing this because the young girl is an aspiring
> artist, and she wanted her granddaughter to have the experience of
> seeing this place and its art close up, in person.
> 
> And they both turned out to be charming. Both were so open to
> suggestions as to what to see and where to go while in Paris, and my
> friend and I both benefited from hearing them talk about the things
> they'd seen so far. It was like being able to experience them for the
> first time ourselves -- all the excitement, all the wonder.
> 
> It was a charming evening, and I hope that we were able to steer both of
> them to some sights and experiences they will enjoy and cherish, and
> that will inspire them as they inspired us. My biggest "take away" from
> the evening, however, was seeing the joy in the young girl's eyes, and
> in her grandmother's at having been able to help put it there, and
> looking forward to being able to do the same thing some day for Maya.
> 
> Fuck enlightenment, or realization, or any of the things that people
> here seem to "live for." If there is anything that'll inspire me to keep
> on keepin' on for another few years, it's the idea of being able to show
> Paris and other cool places to Maya for the first time...
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer

[feste37]

No deal. I have no anger toward you. I just think it's pathetic to use this 
forum to accuse others of sexual immorality. You admit it's just gossip. You 
don't even know the man. An accusation like that makes you look bad, far more 
so than your intended target. It makes you look petty and vicious and 
self-righteous. Are you without sin, Duveyoung? If not, STFU about others.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> Hey, let me double down:  I say it's absolutely true that he was an  
> adulterer.  THERE, now let him sue me.  I got the money and the time to rake 
> him over the coals.  I bet I could get hundreds of witnesses.  It would be 
> spectacular!  
> 
> And Fester, you gotta look at your anger towards me as much as I have to look 
> at my anger toward Heggy.deal?
> 
> Edg
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> >
> > What a pathetic post. Peddling old gossip, spreading rumors, denouncing 
> > others for alleged immorality. If you can't do better than this, Duveyoung, 
> > I suggest you STFU. 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
> > >
> > > I "know" only from gossip, but the gossip was a constant patter of 
> > > "tidbits."  I saw him at dinner ONCE with a married lady, but that could 
> > > have been innocent...yeah, right, sure..  Small town with only 
> > > about three restaurants to "get fancy dancy" and of course he was seen 
> > > around town a lot.  I, with four kids at MSAE had all kinds of pot lucks 
> > > etc. to hob nob enough to catch the gossip.  Of course, EVEN ONCE, would 
> > > be enough for my "Lutheranism patterns amplified by my TM shame-on-you 
> > > patterns" to glom onto and bookmark the anecdotes. Same deal with Bevan, 
> > > and I personally saw Larry Domesh indulging in lust sitting a mere 20 
> > > feet from Maharishi as he lectured to a private group!  Yup, sex is a 
> > > powerful mind twister, and, hey, the movement never gave us help-one to 
> > > meet those challenges, so it's not like we can throw the book at these 
> > > guys for moral-criminality, but yeah, I do.
> > > 
> > > Note:  The Karina Hotel fire was caused by a guy who started his girl 
> > > friend's room on fire due to her "cheating" on him.  
> > > 
> > > Careful out there on the long rounding courses, kiddies, people be 
> > > destressing!
> > > 
> > > Edg
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have heard from time to time about Hagelin's womanizing but nothing 
> > > > very specific - how do you know all this stuff or has it just been kind 
> > > > of circulating around and not specific?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  From: Duveyoung 
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:47 PM
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John 
> > > > Hagelin, Ph.D.,  Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick 
> > > > Archer
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >   
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jason"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > It takes two to tangle. You seem to imply that he was 
> > > > > dragging them to the cave with a stone club in hand.
> > > > > Looks like TM didn't do any good to those women either.
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Maybe we can assign 50% of the blame on the married women, cuz, hey, 
> > > > free will and all that, but. nope.
> > > > 
> > > > The equation changes when one of the partners has so much to offer to 
> > > > the (spiritually, financially, socially) impoverished other.
> > > > 
> > > > He took advantage.  He leveraged.  He must be held to the same standard 
> > > > we held Maharishi about his sexcapades.
> > > > 
> > > > Hagelin never not once ever never once ever said: 
> > > > 
> > > > "Hey, babe, nice just meeting you, a minion, and me, a royal scion, and 
> > > > I know you're married, and it's a sin to fuck me, but, hey, let's just 
> > > > put all that aside and not dwell on the YEARS AND YEARS OF DAMAGE it 
> > > > would do to your husband and your kids if they find out." 
> > > > 
> > > > Hagelin never asked like that, right, but THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE 
> > > > EXPECTED FROM THEM, cuz, HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING.  And he knew he was 
> > > > ABSOLUTELY HARMING these women -- "harming" means "alluring women to 
> > > > change their lives so dramatically and so covertly that it was certain 
> > > > that when the affairs were revealed, all the lying and disloyalty would 
> > > > not be easily dealt with -- without YEARS of professional help for all 
> > > > concerned." 
> > > > 
> > > > That is fucking harmful. 
> > > > 
> > > > At least Dr. Bloomfield drugged his women and didn't try to brainwash 
> > > > them into breaking the trust enjoyed with virtually everyone in their 
> > > > social circle. 
> > > > 
> > > > Yeah, sure, it MIGHT evolve some folks who w

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gluten free diet and siddhis!

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> You didn't hear this from me, but the very *latest* trend in the celeb
world among A-listers like Lohan, Kimmy K, Andy Dick, George C., etc.
is, Kraft Mini-marshmallows.
>
> But they don't *eat* them -- They smoke 'em!! The induced carbon
overload on the tastebuds creates a natural abstinence from food for
several hours.
>
> I already bought out the local Safeway. Once the supply runs short, I
will CLEAN UP. "Yes, Mister Celebrity, that's right, two hundred a bag,
fresh minis...and you don't mind me saying so, Mr. Clooney, but'cher
lookin' a little chubby..."





>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" awoelflebater@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > Jeez, Richard!  If you don't like my question, then you ask
one!  Oh, you did (-:
> > > Yes, they sell gluten free stuff in FF.  FF is a very with it
town I'll have you know (-:
> > >
> > > So glad to hear that the double fiber bread works for you. 
Good job!
> >
> > Share, there will always be new trends and ideas that masses amounts
of people jump on the bandwagon for. Right now it happens to be
gluten-free food and orthotics. Don't ask me how I know this but I do.
In about four years all the podiatrists will have made their millions
and the rest of the world will have moved on to the next nutritional fad
that'll espouse the benefits of eating Cheerios smothered in Cheez whiz.
Maybe you should stock up now, I hear there'll be a run on it and it
will become very difficult to purchase. (I'm always happy to help, as
you know.)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >  From: Richard J. Williams
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 10:22 AM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gluten free diet and siddhis!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Â
> > > Share Long:
> > > > That's great carde, what other benefits have you
> > > > noticed? noozguru, you've probably said before,
> > > > but I'll ask anyway: what do you think of the
> > > > whole gluten free trend?
> > > >
> > > Asking the important questions. LoL!
> > > Do they even sell gluten-free bread in Fairfield?
> > > Well, I guess you could bake some or you could get
> > > the gluten-free bread mail order, if you really
> > > need some. Get some double-fiber bread too if you
> > > place an order. Works for me!
> > > Let's ask our resident TMO baker, M.J., what he
> > > thinks. We used to have a cook on the list, Kirk,
> > > but after Katrina he seems to have lost his
> > > internet connection and his smart-phone. Curtis
> > > is a cooker too, I wonder what he thinks of the
> > > gluten-free bread at $5.00 a loaf. Go figure.
> > > 15 Tips for Making Better Gluten-Free BreadsÂ
> > > > Highly recommend most of us to try gluten free diet
> > > > at least for a couple of days! (No wheat, rye or,
> > > > Lawd have mercy, barley!?)
> > > >
> > > > It's way weird but after I've been on that diet
> > > > for a couple of weeks now, also the "other" saMyama-s
> > > > (not just YF) seem to have some effect, or stuff!
> > > >
> > > > Well, mainly that's prolly due to my being able
> > > > to concentrate ("do" dhaaraNaa*) better, because
> > > > the constant irritation of my lungs has diminished,
> > > > I'd say at least by 90 percent!
> > > >
> > > > *saMyamaH = dhaaraNaa "+" dhyaanam "+" samaadhiH
> > > >
> > > > (trayam [(those) three] ekatra: saMyamaH)
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer

[Michael Jackson]

Given the behavior of leaders of the Movement through the years, it is 
legitimate to ask questions when behavior begins to manifest. It has been this 
way with spiritual movements for decades. People begin to misbehave and their 
disciples refuse to believe it, and the gurus and their chief sycophants deny 
it. Happened with Muktananda, Amrit Desai, Kriyananda - when I met J. Donald 
Walters, I would never have thought of him as a sexual user, but damned if he 
didn't turn out to be so - that's why he fled to Italy and stayed there till he 
died.

Hagelin is one of the main guys the TMO and Lynch use to promote TM to whomever 
they think will bite - if he has mis-used his position as a faculty member to 
prey on his female students, the truth needs to be known. Since Edg had 
mentioned it, I wondered what the facts are. All legitimate questions and 
inquiry. The only problem is that some people who want to believe TM and its 
leaders are pure as the driven snow can't stand the light of truth to be shined 
on TM and its honchos. Hagelin's behavior if true needs to be made public so 
the people Hagelin pitches TM and his nonsense physics theories to know how 
credible he is - after all, TM supposedly makes all things better - and that 
should include behavior for those in positions of leadership.





 From: feste37 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 11:23 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John 
Hagelin, Ph.D.,  Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer
 


  
What a pathetic post. Peddling old gossip, spreading rumors, denouncing others 
for alleged immorality. If you can't do better than this, Duveyoung, I suggest 
you STFU. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> I "know" only from gossip, but the gossip was a constant patter of "tidbits." 
>  I saw him at dinner ONCE with a married lady, but that could have been 
> innocent...yeah, right, sure..  Small town with only about three 
> restaurants to "get fancy dancy" and of course he was seen around town a lot. 
>  I, with four kids at MSAE had all kinds of pot lucks etc. to hob nob enough 
> to catch the gossip.  Of course, EVEN ONCE, would be enough for my 
> "Lutheranism patterns amplified by my TM shame-on-you patterns" to glom onto 
> and bookmark the anecdotes. Same deal with Bevan, and I personally saw Larry 
> Domesh indulging in lust sitting a mere 20 feet from Maharishi as he lectured 
> to a private group!  Yup, sex is a powerful mind twister, and, hey, the 
> movement never gave us help-one to meet those challenges, so it's not like we 
> can throw the book at these guys for moral-criminality, but yeah, I do.
> 
> Note:  The Karina Hotel fire was caused by a guy who started his girl 
> friend's room on fire due to her "cheating" on him. 
> 
> Careful out there on the long rounding courses, kiddies, people be 
> destressing!
> 
> Edg
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > I have heard from time to time about Hagelin's womanizing but nothing very 
> > specific - how do you know all this stuff or has it just been kind of 
> > circulating around and not specific?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: Duveyoung 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:47 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, 
> > Ph.D.,  Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jason"  wrote:
> > >
> > > It takes two to tangle. You seem to imply that he was 
> > > dragging them to the cave with a stone club in hand.
> > > Looks like TM didn't do any good to those women either.
> > > 
> > 
> > Maybe we can assign 50% of the blame on the married women, cuz, hey, free 
> > will and all that, but. nope.
> > 
> > The equation changes when one of the partners has so much to offer to the 
> > (spiritually, financially, socially) impoverished other.
> > 
> > He took advantage.  He leveraged.  He must be held to the same standard we 
> > held Maharishi about his sexcapades.
> > 
> > Hagelin never not once ever never once ever said: 
> > 
> > "Hey, babe, nice just meeting you, a minion, and me, a royal scion, and I 
> > know you're married, and it's a sin to fuck me, but, hey, let's just put 
> > all that aside and not dwell on the YEARS AND YEARS OF DAMAGE it would do 
> > to your husband and your kids if they find out." 
> > 
> > Hagelin never asked like that, right, but THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE EXPECTED 
> > FROM THEM, cuz, HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING.  And he knew he was ABSOLUTELY 
> > HARMING these women -- "harming" means "alluring women to change their 
> > lives so dramatically and so covertly that it was certain that when the 
> > affairs were revealed, all the lying and disloyalty would not be easi

[FairfieldLife] Speaking of Affairs

[Ann]

This could be an interesting foray into the depths of depravity for anyone 
interested in such things. I know I might be...

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/television/behind-the-candelabra-a-liberace-tale-of-romance-and-malice/article12129909/

Re: [FairfieldLife] "Androidish"(?) Hope (aashaa) for (mainly) Indians?

[Bhairitu]

On 05/25/2013 03:03 AM, card wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6iMsePF0kk
>
> Well, I'm not at all sure whether the OS is Linux-based
> or not... :o
>
>

"Nokia's at the forefront of that change".

LOL.  Yes, the tech world has noticed that as Nokia scrambles to catch 
up.   Coming up, Nokia shows their new levitating phone. :-D

There are already lots of inexpensive Android phones.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gluten free diet and siddhis!

[doctordumbass]

You didn't hear this from me, but the very *latest* trend in the celeb world 
among A-listers like Lohan, Kimmy K, Andy Dick, George C., etc. is, Kraft 
Mini-marshmallows.

But they don't *eat* them -- They smoke 'em!! The induced carbon overload on 
the tastebuds creates a natural abstinence from food for several hours.

I already bought out the local Safeway. Once the supply runs short, I will 
CLEAN UP. "Yes, Mister Celebrity, that's right, two hundred a bag, fresh 
minis...and you don't mind me saying so, Mr. Clooney, but'cher lookin' a little 
chubby..."   

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Jeez, Richard!  If you don't like my question, then you ask one!  Oh, you 
> > did (-:
> > Yes, they sell gluten free stuff in FF.  FF is a very with it town I'll 
> > have you know (-:
> > 
> > So glad to hear that the double fiber bread works for you.  Good job!
> 
> Share, there will always be new trends and ideas that masses amounts of 
> people jump on the bandwagon for. Right now it happens to be gluten-free food 
> and orthotics. Don't ask me how I know this but I do. In about four years all 
> the podiatrists will have made their millions and the rest of the world will 
> have moved on to the next nutritional fad that'll espouse the benefits of 
> eating Cheerios smothered in Cheez whiz. Maybe you should stock up now, I 
> hear there'll be a run on it and it will become very difficult to purchase. 
> (I'm always happy to help, as you know.)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: Richard J. Williams 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 10:22 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gluten free diet and siddhis!
> >  
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > Share Long:
> > > That's great carde, what other benefits have you 
> > > noticed? noozguru, you've probably said before, 
> > > but I'll ask anyway: what do you think of the 
> > > whole gluten free trend?
> > > 
> > Asking the important questions. LoL!
> > Do they even sell gluten-free bread in Fairfield?
> > Well, I guess you could bake some or you could get
> > the gluten-free bread mail order, if you really 
> > need some. Get some double-fiber bread too if you 
> > place an order. Works for me!
> > Let's ask our resident TMO baker, M.J., what he 
> > thinks. We used to have a cook on the list, Kirk, 
> > but after Katrina he seems to have lost his 
> > internet connection and his smart-phone. Curtis
> > is a cooker too, I wonder what he thinks of the
> > gluten-free bread at $5.00 a loaf. Go figure.
> > 15 Tips for Making Better Gluten-Free Breads 
> > > Highly recommend most of us to try gluten free diet
> > > at least for a couple of days! (No wheat, rye or, 
> > > Lawd have mercy, barley!?)
> > > 
> > > It's way weird but after I've been on that diet
> > > for a couple of weeks now, also the "other" saMyama-s
> > > (not just YF) seem to have some effect, or stuff!
> > > 
> > > Well, mainly that's prolly due to my being able
> > > to concentrate ("do" dhaaraNaa*) better, because
> > > the constant irritation of my lungs has diminished,
> > > I'd say at least by 90 percent!
> > > 
> > > *saMyamaH = dhaaraNaa "+" dhyaanam "+" samaadhiH
> > > 
> > > (trayam [(those) three] ekatra: saMyamaH)
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important change in the Invincible America Assembly

[Michael Jackson]

Maybe I am making too much out of his words, but the point I am making is that 
we were always told that it was the size of the group that created the effects 
in the environment and now Bevan says it is NOT the size, it is the commitment. 
Either Marshy was wrong, or Bevan is wrong. It has been the way of the TMO to 
change its truth to fit what it wants and I can't condone such a thing. 

You and I differ on one other point, you feel that world peace is a real 
possibility through TM yogic practice, and I feel that asleep or awake, there 
is no Marshy Effect.





 From: Buck 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 11:46 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important change in the Invincible America Assembly
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> "I 
> emphasized that in the future the grant, when available, would probably 
> be for a smaller number of Yogic Flyers, especially the most active 
> flyers, who do really long flying and make a long-term commitment to the 
> Invincible America Assembly program. Maharishi said this from the 
> beginning and Dr. Doug and Dr. Linda Birx have been working on this 
> throughout. This will reduce the numbers, but we will have a more 
> powerful group."
> 
> We always heard the way to world peace is through having enough people flying 
> together - the bigger the group, the more powerful the Marshy Effect. 
> 
> Now Big Bopper Bevan claims the more COMMITTED the group, the longer they 
> fly, the more powerful they are, more powerful than a larger group. 
> 
> What a lying son of a bitch, and I am speaking of BOTH Marshy and his lackey 
> Big Bopper.
> 
>

Dear MJ, Look he has a point about communal spiritual ill-discipline.  I feel 
you are being too negative in your criticism.  I was in the Dome just this 
morning having absolutely incredible spiritual experiences and this guy comes 
in at the last minute as the group meditation is beginning and lays down nearby 
first thing to sleep for the whole meditation.  In fact The Domes in field 
effect are incredible places to meditate.  Sweet Jeesus what a waste of an 
incredible human spiritual opportunity to just stroll in and lay down.  He 
makes the effort to get up in the morning and comes to the Dome and does not 
spend his time meditating there?  He sits up during the yogic flying part. 
Gawd. Give me a long stick and I'd make him sit up for meditation and actually 
make him help out communally instead of just sucking.  Like the classic zen 
thing of a guy with a stick rapping people has a place; there is a place for 
some discipline in sitting up and doing the
 spiritual practice.  Fetch me a stick and I could improve the level of 
collective inner experience there real quick. 

The proud and old TM-Running-Dog
of the meditating TM movement of the Fairfield Domes,
-Buck 

> 
>  From: Rick Archer 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 2:13 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Important change in the Invincible America Assembly
> 
> 
> 
>   
> --- On Mon, 5/20/13, Dr. Bevan Morris  wrote:
> 
> >From: Dr. Bevan Morris 
> >Subject: Important
>  change in the Invincible America Assembly
> >Date: Monday, May 20, 2013, 1:01
>  PM
> >Dear Friend of Maharishi University of Management,
> >
> >The Settle Foundation is facing financial challenges due to difficulties 
> >that have arisen in the past five months in the business that underlies the 
> >foundation's giving.
> >
> >Word of this has reached the Invincible America Assembly grant recipients, 
> >so Raja John Hagelin asked me to explain the situation to everyone on the 
> >Assembly, which I did on Thursday.
> >
> >I explained that the Settle grants
>  would be coming to an end over the next months.
> >
> >I said everyone should
>  quickly make plans to be self-sufficient through "cashing in" in the 
> afternoon (i.e., working at a job in the afternoon) as Maharishi described 
> it, or any other approach, including, at least for some, personal funds.
> >
> >I also said Raja John Hagelin, Raja Wynne and Maureen, Raja Bob Lopinto, 
> >Raja Harris and myself are trying to come up with a plan for new sources of 
> >income that will allow the program to continue as much as possible, and we 
> >are talking to our Indian leaders about this. Of course, supporting the 600 
> >Vedic Pandits we have here now is extremely important, and if we are 
> >successful in raising new funds, bringing the 400 Maharishi Vedic Pandits 
> >who are in India waiting to come, to create a much higher level of national 
> >coherence.
> >
> >I emphasized that in the future the grant, when available, would probably be 
> >for a smaller number of Yogic Flyers, especially the most active flyers, who 
> >do really long flying and make a long-term
>  commitment to the Invincible America Assembly program. Maharishi said this 
> from the beginning and Dr. Doug and Dr

Re: [FairfieldLife] Gluten free diet and siddhis!

[Bhairitu]

Conventional medicine says only a very small percentage of the 
population suffers from gluten intolerance while some naturopaths have 
it as high as 60%.  The truth is probably somewhere in between.  A 
gluten free is not that hard to do if one wants to try it.  I tried some 
gluten free muffins and bagels a couple weeks back because they were on 
sale at what you might pay for muffins and bagels regularly.  I don't 
think I'm in the percentage that has the problem though.  But then I do 
eat lots of corn products, rice pastas and rice.  It's always good to 
mix things up a bit just to avoid developing an intolerance.

On 05/25/2013 07:58 AM, Share Long wrote:
> That's great carde, what other benefits have you noticed?  noozguru, you've 
> probably said before, but I'll ask anyway:  what do you think of the whole 
> gluten free trend?  thanks
>
>
>
>
> 
>   From: card 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 1:11 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Gluten free diet and siddhis!
>   
>
>
>
>
> Highly recommend most of us to try gluten free diet
> at least for a couple of days! (No wheat, rye or,
> Lawd have mercy, barley!?)
>
> It's way weird but after I've been on that diet
> for a couple of weeks now, also the "other" saMyama-s
> (not just YF) seem to have some effect, or stuff!
>
> Well, mainly that's prolly due to my being able
> to concentrate ("do" dhaaraNaa*) better, because
> the constant irritation of my lungs has diminished,
> I'd say at least by 90 percent!
>
> *saMyamaH = dhaaraNaa "+" dhyaanam "+" samaadhiH
>
> (trayam [(those) three] ekatra: saMyamaH)
>
>
>   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gluten free diet and siddhis!

[Michael Jackson]

Well, since you asked - like every thing else its a matter of taste and 
preference - most of the gluten free breads are made with rice flour which has 
a grainy texture. For someone who has celiac disease theres not much choice. It 
is kind of pricey, but what ain't these days - Trader Joe's has decent prices 
for their breads.





 From: Richard J. Williams 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 11:22 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gluten free diet and siddhis!
 


  
Share Long:
> That's great carde, what other benefits have you 
> noticed? noozguru, you've probably said before, 
> but I'll ask anyway: what do you think of the 
> whole gluten free trend?
> 
Asking the important questions. LoL!
Do they even sell gluten-free bread in Fairfield?
Well, I guess you could bake some or you could get
the gluten-free bread mail order, if you really 
need some. Get some double-fiber bread too if you 
place an order. Works for me!
Let's ask our resident TMO baker, M.J., what he 
thinks. We used to have a cook on the list, Kirk, 
but after Katrina he seems to have lost his 
internet connection and his smart-phone. Curtis
is a cooker too, I wonder what he thinks of the
gluten-free bread at $5.00 a loaf. Go figure.
15 Tips for Making Better Gluten-Free Breads 
> Highly recommend most of us to try gluten free diet
> at least for a couple of days! (No wheat, rye or, 
> Lawd have mercy, barley!?)
> 
> It's way weird but after I've been on that diet
> for a couple of weeks now, also the "other" saMyama-s
> (not just YF) seem to have some effect, or stuff!
> 
> Well, mainly that's prolly due to my being able
> to concentrate ("do" dhaaraNaa*) better, because
> the constant irritation of my lungs has diminished,
> I'd say at least by 90 percent!
> 
> *saMyamaH = dhaaraNaa "+" dhyaanam "+" samaadhiH
> 
> (trayam [(those) three] ekatra: saMyamaH)
>

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Man In Paris, v3.01

[doctordumbass]

I've always seen that behavior in Barry as a defense mechanism, sort of, "you 
can't fire me, I quit!", or , "you do not want to go out with me, do you?". 
Pre-emptive strike at an imagined enemy.

We are so used to seeing other "adults" express themselves as the children they 
are emotionally, that we have grown blind to it. There is nothing more to Barry 
acting out, than that; emotional immaturity. It is a common illness.

He says, fuck enlightenment (being established in silence), only because this 
is a spiritual forum. If this were a fire station, he'd say, fuck fire trucks.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > I was having dinner with a friend from work last night in a small
> > restaurant on the Ile St. Louis, and it turned into an interesting
> > opportunity to teach, and to learn. My friend is someone I work with --
> > another American ex-pat, a former jazz pianist turned tech writer,
> > originally from San Francisco but living and working here in Europe for
> > the last dozen years, so we have a lot in common and lots to talk about.
> > But we wound up talking about none of those things because two people
> > came in and sat at the small table next to us.
> > 
> > They were an older woman (but younger than either of us) and a young
> > girl (who we learned was 12). The girl heard us talking in English and
> > started a conversation, and I'm glad she did. It turns out she is from
> > Atlanta, brought here by her grandmother for her first trip to Europe.
> > The grandmother is doing this because the young girl is an aspiring
> > artist, and she wanted her granddaughter to have the experience of
> > seeing this place and its art close up, in person.
> > 
> > And they both turned out to be charming. Both were so open to
> > suggestions as to what to see and where to go while in Paris, and my
> > friend and I both benefited from hearing them talk about the things
> > they'd seen so far. It was like being able to experience them for the
> > first time ourselves -- all the excitement, all the wonder.
> > 
> > It was a charming evening, and I hope that we were able to steer both of
> > them to some sights and experiences they will enjoy and cherish, and
> > that will inspire them as they inspired us. My biggest "take away" from
> > the evening, however, was seeing the joy in the young girl's eyes, and
> > in her grandmother's at having been able to help put it there, and
> > looking forward to being able to do the same thing some day for Maya.
> > 
> > Fuck enlightenment, or realization, or any of the things that people
> > here seem to "live for." If there is anything that'll inspire me to keep
> > on keepin' on for another few years, it's the idea of being able to show
> > Paris and other cool places to Maya for the first time...
> 
> Nice little puff piece until the last paragraph. What is it about you that 
> compels you to always kick out at the last minute? It is as if you are 
> obsessed with what you imagine others believe and you just HAVE to show them 
> you disagree. Most of what you project on others here is distorted or just 
> downright wrong and so you lash out with some weird assertion like the one 
> above just to somehow prove you are this renegade independent thinker when 
> all along you have created these self delusions of weak or stupid people who 
> populate the world around you. Give it up, let it go, move along and drop 
> your compulsion to put others down at every turn. There are two people inside 
> you Barry and the one who wrote the last paragraph (or at least the first 
> sentence of the last paragraph) is seriously out to lunch.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Slander and Defamation, was BatGap Panel Discussiï

[Richard J. Williams]

Duveyoung:
> It's not slander unless it's untrue. And  it 
> won't be proven to be untrue unless he takes 
> me to court and there's no chance of that, 
> BECAUSE HE KNOWS WUT HE DONE.
> 
The guilty always scream the loudest, Edg.

> And as for you, you fucking hatred-incarnate 
> war mongering shit-for-brains cultural wart 
> -- I invite you to sue me too!  
>
Why would I want to sue you? It's Rick that 
could get sued - you want to post slander, why 
not think about what could happen if you are 
mistaken.

> I can't think of a moment in my whole life 
> that would as enjoyable as getting served 
> such papers.
> 
You were wrong to post the slander - just
man up to it that you broke the FFL rules.

Where's Alex when we need him? 

> > > What a pathetic post. Peddling old gossip, spreading 
> > > rumors, denouncing others for alleged immorality. If 
> > > you can't do better than this, Duveyoung, I suggest 
> > > you STFU. 
> > >
> > He needs some professional help, obviously. Why won't
> > Alex help him, by booting him off the list, before Edg
> > gets sued, or before the list gets taken down and Rick
> > has to pay. 
> > 
> > Slander is illegal isn't it?
> > 
> > 
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gluten free diet and siddhis!

[Share Long]

Ann, chuckling here at that Cheerios smothered with Cheez Whiz, and also 
appreciating the alliteration and assistance as always (-:





 From: Ann 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 10:54 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gluten free diet and siddhis!
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Jeez, Richard!  If you don't like my question, then you ask one!  Oh, you 
> did (-:
> Yes, they sell gluten free stuff in FF.  FF is a very with it town I'll have 
> you know (-:
> 
> So glad to hear that the double fiber bread works for you.  Good job!

Share, there will always be new trends and ideas that masses amounts of people 
jump on the bandwagon for. Right now it happens to be gluten-free food and 
orthotics. Don't ask me how I know this but I do. In about four years all the 
podiatrists will have made their millions and the rest of the world will have 
moved on to the next nutritional fad that'll espouse the benefits of eating 
Cheerios smothered in Cheez whiz. Maybe you should stock up now, I hear 
there'll be a run on it and it will become very difficult to purchase. (I'm 
always happy to help, as you know.)
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Richard J. Williams 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 10:22 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gluten free diet and siddhis!
> 
> 
> 
>   
> Share Long:
> > That's great carde, what other benefits have you 
> > noticed? noozguru, you've probably said before, 
> > but I'll ask anyway: what do you think of the 
> > whole gluten free trend?
> > 
> Asking the important questions. LoL!
> Do they even sell gluten-free bread in Fairfield?
> Well, I guess you could bake some or you could get
> the gluten-free bread mail order, if you really 
> need some. Get some double-fiber bread too if you 
> place an order. Works for me!
> Let's ask our resident TMO baker, M.J., what he 
> thinks. We used to have a cook on the list, Kirk, 
> but after Katrina he seems to have lost his 
> internet connection and his smart-phone. Curtis
> is a cooker too, I wonder what he thinks of the
> gluten-free bread at $5.00 a loaf. Go figure.
> 15 Tips for Making Better Gluten-Free Breads 
> > Highly recommend most of us to try gluten free diet
> > at least for a couple of days! (No wheat, rye or, 
> > Lawd have mercy, barley!?)
> > 
> > It's way weird but after I've been on that diet
> > for a couple of weeks now, also the "other" saMyama-s
> > (not just YF) seem to have some effect, or stuff!
> > 
> > Well, mainly that's prolly due to my being able
> > to concentrate ("do" dhaaraNaa*) better, because
> > the constant irritation of my lungs has diminished,
> > I'd say at least by 90 percent!
> > 
> > *saMyamaH = dhaaraNaa "+" dhyaanam "+" samaadhiH
> > 
> > (trayam [(those) three] ekatra: saMyamaH)
> >
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gluten free diet and siddhis!

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Jeez, Richard!  If you don't like my question, then you ask one!  Oh, you 
> did (-:
> Yes, they sell gluten free stuff in FF.  FF is a very with it town I'll have 
> you know (-:
> 
> So glad to hear that the double fiber bread works for you.  Good job!

Share, there will always be new trends and ideas that masses amounts of people 
jump on the bandwagon for. Right now it happens to be gluten-free food and 
orthotics. Don't ask me how I know this but I do. In about four years all the 
podiatrists will have made their millions and the rest of the world will have 
moved on to the next nutritional fad that'll espouse the benefits of eating 
Cheerios smothered in Cheez whiz. Maybe you should stock up now, I hear 
there'll be a run on it and it will become very difficult to purchase. (I'm 
always happy to help, as you know.)
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Richard J. Williams 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 10:22 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gluten free diet and siddhis!
>  
> 
> 
>   
> Share Long:
> > That's great carde, what other benefits have you 
> > noticed? noozguru, you've probably said before, 
> > but I'll ask anyway: what do you think of the 
> > whole gluten free trend?
> > 
> Asking the important questions. LoL!
> Do they even sell gluten-free bread in Fairfield?
> Well, I guess you could bake some or you could get
> the gluten-free bread mail order, if you really 
> need some. Get some double-fiber bread too if you 
> place an order. Works for me!
> Let's ask our resident TMO baker, M.J., what he 
> thinks. We used to have a cook on the list, Kirk, 
> but after Katrina he seems to have lost his 
> internet connection and his smart-phone. Curtis
> is a cooker too, I wonder what he thinks of the
> gluten-free bread at $5.00 a loaf. Go figure.
> 15 Tips for Making Better Gluten-Free Breads 
> > Highly recommend most of us to try gluten free diet
> > at least for a couple of days! (No wheat, rye or, 
> > Lawd have mercy, barley!?)
> > 
> > It's way weird but after I've been on that diet
> > for a couple of weeks now, also the "other" saMyama-s
> > (not just YF) seem to have some effect, or stuff!
> > 
> > Well, mainly that's prolly due to my being able
> > to concentrate ("do" dhaaraNaa*) better, because
> > the constant irritation of my lungs has diminished,
> > I'd say at least by 90 percent!
> > 
> > *saMyamaH = dhaaraNaa "+" dhyaanam "+" samaadhiH
> > 
> > (trayam [(those) three] ekatra: saMyamaH)
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Man In Paris, v3.01

[Richard J. Williams]

feste37:
> Of course he's angry. All his stories
> have only one purpose: to puff himself
> up and lash out at people on FFL, either
> as individuals or simply the group as a
> whole. The story he tells is just the
> setup. He is as predictable as a robot.
>
Barry was much more interesting when
he was 'Uncle Tantra' and ragging on
Delia.

These days he doesn't even seem to be
able to even get a date  for dinner. LoL!

You need to understand that expats get
very lonely sometimes and need to talk
to their own people. Expats get angry
when they don't have anyone to talk to,
because they think they're important
and people should listen. Go figure.

Uncle Tantra's RoadTripMind
 


> > I was having dinner with a friend from work last night in a small
> > restaurant on the Ile St. Louis, and it turned into an interesting
> > opportunity to teach, and to learn. My friend is someone I work with
--
> > another American ex-pat, a former jazz pianist turned tech writer,
> > originally from San Francisco but living and working here in Europe
for
> > the last dozen years, so we have a lot in common and lots to talk
about.
> > But we wound up talking about none of those things because two
people
> > came in and sat at the small table next to us.
> >
> > They were an older woman (but younger than either of us) and a young
> > girl (who we learned was 12). The girl heard us talking in English
and
> > started a conversation, and I'm glad she did. It turns out she is
from
> > Atlanta, brought here by her grandmother for her first trip to
Europe.
> > The grandmother is doing this because the young girl is an aspiring
> > artist, and she wanted her granddaughter to have the experience of
> > seeing this place and its art close up, in person.
> >
> > And they both turned out to be charming. Both were so open to
> > suggestions as to what to see and where to go while in Paris, and my
> > friend and I both benefited from hearing them talk about the things
> > they'd seen so far. It was like being able to experience them for
the
> > first time ourselves -- all the excitement, all the wonder.
> >
> > It was a charming evening, and I hope that we were able to steer
both of
> > them to some sights and experiences they will enjoy and cherish, and
> > that will inspire them as they inspired us. My biggest "take away"
from
> > the evening, however, was seeing the joy in the young girl's eyes,
and
> > in her grandmother's at having been able to help put it there, and
> > looking forward to being able to do the same thing some day for
Maya.
> >
> > Fuck enlightenment, or realization, or any of the things that people
> > here seem to "live for." If there is anything that'll inspire me to
keep
> > on keepin' on for another few years, it's the idea of being able to
show
> > Paris and other cool places to Maya for the first time...
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Slander and Defamation, was BatGap Panel Discussiï

[Duveyoung]

It's not slander unless it's untrue.  And  it won't be proven to be untrue 
unless he takes me to court and there's no chance of that, BECAUSE HE KNOWS WUT 
HE DONE.

And as for you, you fucking hatred-incarnate war mongering shit-for-brains 
cultural wart -- I invite you to sue me too!  I can't think of a moment in my 
whole life that would as enjoyable as getting served such papers.

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> feste37:
> > What a pathetic post. Peddling old gossip, spreading 
> > rumors, denouncing others for alleged immorality. If 
> > you can't do better than this, Duveyoung, I suggest 
> > you STFU. 
> >
> He needs some professional help, obviously. Why won't
> Alex help him, by booting him off the list, before Edg
> gets sued, or before the list gets taken down and Rick
> has to pay. 
> 
> Slander is illegal isn't it?
> 
> 
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Krishna like Christian evangelizing

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Sal, did you ever know Campbell in your past TM days?

No he's way before my time. I did like his book "The 7 states" 
though. I don't agree with much it now mind you, but it's as 
clearly written an exposition of the pre-sidhi teachings of Marshy
as you'd want.



 
>  From: sparaig 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:35 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Krishna like Christian evangelizing
>  
> 
> 
>   
> I asked Anthony Campbell, author of _The Seven Stages of Consciousness_, why 
> he became a Buddhist and no longer does TM. He replied because he had 
> meditated the requisite number of years (I assume 7) and TM didn't work as 
> advertised (he wasn't enlightened) so he moved on.
> 
> I expect the same thing is at work here: 
> 
> MMY said that floating would happen "real soon now" and an awful lot of 
> people who learned the TM-Sidhis eventually decided "it ain't going to 
> happen" and moved on to practices that they felt were giving them more 
> profound and authentic experiences than "hopping like a frog."
> 
> I assume that he did things the way he did because he believed that if enough 
> people learned the TM-Sidhis fast enough, the world's consciousness WOULD 
> change to support floating, and thus he would have fulfilled his own prophecy 
> by being excessively enthusiastic about how soon people would be floating (I 
> still believe that he believed in floating as a real aspect of the Yogic 
> Flying technique).
> 
> Once the disillusionment set in, the people who promised grander things had a 
> ready-made audience for them since most TM-Sidhas are self-selected for 
> wanting powers and other "specialness," regardless of what hand-written 
> letters they signed to the contrary.
> 
> And why shouldn't they become disillusioned? They were told they were 
> "special" in every way, simply by learning the TM-Sidhis practices and there 
> they were, decades later, and still no floating.
> 
> MMY had attempted to con world consciousness itself into growing faster than 
> it could, and the people he used for that con moved on.
> 
> Even within the Extended Maharishi Effect perspective, there's still hope. 
> THere's plenty of school administrators in Latin America what want a stress 
> management technique for their students, and while the ultra-cynical former 
> True Believers may believe that TM doesn't really work at all, there's plenty 
> of large-scale demonstrations that it does work wonders in very stress-laden 
> schools, and that is a more viable way of getting huge numbers of people to 
> learn and practice together, I think.
> 
> and... if the kids in Mexico ever start floating, that would be a 
> game-changer all around.
> 
> L
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > in Fairfield, It's like there has been a cultural protection or
> > predisposition in meditators generally against these other more
> > mood-making or faith-based kinds of groups encroaching very far.  It's
> > like the TM'ers are more scientific and immune from too much iron age
> > belief structures.  You know, Maharishi did study a degree in physics. 
> > Modern science and the scientific process was after all part of his
> > spiritual revival.  Very 21st Century.
> > Dear Buck, I admire your enthusiasm, your mission, your seemingly
> > inexhaustible zeal. But I don't believe you for one nanosecond.
> > Fairfield was a typical midwest town back in the 60's and early 70's: a
> > town square, local horse show at the ag grounds, 4H, local teens
> > cruising the town square on Friday and Saturday nights round and round.
> > Then came MIU and the townspeople, for the most part, accepted this new
> > strange breed of student. They weren't like Parson's students with their
> > fraternities and homecoming queens but these new immigrants were
> > peaceful enough. Now, it is like someone turned on some sort of homing
> > radar device that has put out the call to every breed of saint, healer,
> > guru, channel known to mankind and they have descended, in droves, to
> > Fairfield Iowa. Why would this be? Because "there has been a cultural
> > protection or predisposition in meditators generally against these other
> > more mood-making or faith-based kinds of groups encroaching very far."?
> > What the hell happened since I was there in 1983? All hell has broken
> > loose, that's what.
> > > -Buck in the Dome
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Kind of surprising that the Krishna's have not evangelized Fairfield
> > before now for as hard as they have worked the airports and
> > street-corners once upon a time.  The Christians have always been hoping
> > to try.  The Buddhists however are almost non-existent in Fairfield.
> > > > -Buck in the Dome

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer

[Share Long]

I have a friend who was gaga over Domash.  I never understood it myself.  
Attraction is indeed a mysterious thing.  Was never attracted to Hagelin 
either.  Had a crush on the philosophy professor Jon Shear back in the 70s.  He 
was always kind towards me plus had a good sense of humor.  I heard through the 
grapevine that Domash and the aerobics instructor got married and had a 
daughter.    





 From: Ann 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 10:36 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John 
Hagelin, Ph.D.,  Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> I "know" only from gossip, but the gossip was a constant patter of "tidbits." 
>  I saw him at dinner ONCE with a married lady, but that could have been 
> innocent...yeah, right, sure..  Small town with only about three 
> restaurants to "get fancy dancy" and of course he was seen around town a lot. 
>  I, with four kids at MSAE had all kinds of pot lucks etc. to hob nob enough 
> to catch the gossip.  Of course, EVEN ONCE, would be enough for my 
> "Lutheranism patterns amplified by my TM shame-on-you patterns" to glom onto 
> and bookmark the anecdotes. Same deal with Bevan, and I personally saw Larry 
> Domesh indulging in lust sitting a mere 20 feet from Maharishi as he lectured 
> to a private group!  Yup, sex is a powerful mind twister, and, hey, the 
> movement never gave us help-one to meet those challenges, so it's not like we 
> can throw the book at these guys for moral-criminality, but yeah, I do.
> 
> Note:  The Karina Hotel fire was caused by a guy who started his girl 
> friend's room on fire due to her "cheating" on him. 

Women went gaga over Domash. I remember finding him rather attractive myself 
back when he lived at MIU in the 70's. I think he was a bit of an arrogant 
prick but he was kinda pretty. He was never without some girlfriend or other. 
One was an aerobics teacher, bet they had lots to talk about.
> 
> Careful out there on the long rounding courses, kiddies, people be 
> destressing!
> 
> Edg
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > I have heard from time to time about Hagelin's womanizing but nothing very 
> > specific - how do you know all this stuff or has it just been kind of 
> > circulating around and not specific?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: Duveyoung 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:47 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, 
> > Ph.D.,  Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jason"  wrote:
> > >
> > > It takes two to tangle. You seem to imply that he was 
> > > dragging them to the cave with a stone club in hand.
> > > Looks like TM didn't do any good to those women either.
> > > 
> > 
> > Maybe we can assign 50% of the blame on the married women, cuz, hey, free 
> > will and all that, but. nope.
> > 
> > The equation changes when one of the partners has so much to offer to the 
> > (spiritually, financially, socially) impoverished other.
> > 
> > He took advantage.  He leveraged.  He must be held to the same standard we 
> > held Maharishi about his sexcapades.
> > 
> > Hagelin never not once ever never once ever said: 
> > 
> > "Hey, babe, nice just meeting you, a minion, and me, a royal scion, and I 
> > know you're married, and it's a sin to fuck me, but, hey, let's just put 
> > all that aside and not dwell on the YEARS AND YEARS OF DAMAGE it would do 
> > to your husband and your kids if they find out." 
> > 
> > Hagelin never asked like that, right, but THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE EXPECTED 
> > FROM THEM, cuz, HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING.  And he knew he was ABSOLUTELY 
> > HARMING these women -- "harming" means "alluring women to change their 
> > lives so dramatically and so covertly that it was certain that when the 
> > affairs were revealed, all the lying and disloyalty would not be easily 
> > dealt with -- without YEARS of professional help for all concerned." 
> > 
> > That is fucking harmful. 
> > 
> > At least Dr. Bloomfield drugged his women and didn't try to brainwash them 
> > into breaking the trust enjoyed with virtually everyone in their social 
> > circle. 
> > 
> > Yeah, sure, it MIGHT evolve some folks who would rise to the challenges of 
> > facing ones personal integrity being shitcanned after one has torn ones 
> > life up like a bad parking ticket, yep, could be, but on average, every 
> > woman who ever fucked Hagelin had to face themselves in perhaps the 
> > harshest light they've ever had shone upon them.  And it wouldn't be pretty 
> > what they saw in the mirror.
> > 
> > Each woman, on her death bed, gets to say:  "I fucked Hagelin and ruined m

[FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer

[Duveyoung]

Hey, let me double down:  I say it's absolutely true that he was an  adulterer. 
 THERE, now let him sue me.  I got the money and the time to rake him over the 
coals.  I bet I could get hundreds of witnesses.  It would be spectacular!  

And Fester, you gotta look at your anger towards me as much as I have to look 
at my anger toward Heggy.deal?

Edg



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
>
> What a pathetic post. Peddling old gossip, spreading rumors, denouncing 
> others for alleged immorality. If you can't do better than this, Duveyoung, I 
> suggest you STFU. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
> >
> > I "know" only from gossip, but the gossip was a constant patter of 
> > "tidbits."  I saw him at dinner ONCE with a married lady, but that could 
> > have been innocent...yeah, right, sure..  Small town with only 
> > about three restaurants to "get fancy dancy" and of course he was seen 
> > around town a lot.  I, with four kids at MSAE had all kinds of pot lucks 
> > etc. to hob nob enough to catch the gossip.  Of course, EVEN ONCE, would be 
> > enough for my "Lutheranism patterns amplified by my TM shame-on-you 
> > patterns" to glom onto and bookmark the anecdotes. Same deal with Bevan, 
> > and I personally saw Larry Domesh indulging in lust sitting a mere 20 feet 
> > from Maharishi as he lectured to a private group!  Yup, sex is a powerful 
> > mind twister, and, hey, the movement never gave us help-one to meet those 
> > challenges, so it's not like we can throw the book at these guys for 
> > moral-criminality, but yeah, I do.
> > 
> > Note:  The Karina Hotel fire was caused by a guy who started his girl 
> > friend's room on fire due to her "cheating" on him.  
> > 
> > Careful out there on the long rounding courses, kiddies, people be 
> > destressing!
> > 
> > Edg
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > I have heard from time to time about Hagelin's womanizing but nothing 
> > > very specific - how do you know all this stuff or has it just been kind 
> > > of circulating around and not specific?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: Duveyoung 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:47 PM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John 
> > > Hagelin, Ph.D.,  Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jason"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It takes two to tangle. You seem to imply that he was 
> > > > dragging them to the cave with a stone club in hand.
> > > > Looks like TM didn't do any good to those women either.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Maybe we can assign 50% of the blame on the married women, cuz, hey, free 
> > > will and all that, but. nope.
> > > 
> > > The equation changes when one of the partners has so much to offer to the 
> > > (spiritually, financially, socially) impoverished other.
> > > 
> > > He took advantage.  He leveraged.  He must be held to the same standard 
> > > we held Maharishi about his sexcapades.
> > > 
> > > Hagelin never not once ever never once ever said: 
> > > 
> > > "Hey, babe, nice just meeting you, a minion, and me, a royal scion, and I 
> > > know you're married, and it's a sin to fuck me, but, hey, let's just put 
> > > all that aside and not dwell on the YEARS AND YEARS OF DAMAGE it would do 
> > > to your husband and your kids if they find out." 
> > > 
> > > Hagelin never asked like that, right, but THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE EXPECTED 
> > > FROM THEM, cuz, HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING.  And he knew he was ABSOLUTELY 
> > > HARMING these women -- "harming" means "alluring women to change their 
> > > lives so dramatically and so covertly that it was certain that when the 
> > > affairs were revealed, all the lying and disloyalty would not be easily 
> > > dealt with -- without YEARS of professional help for all concerned." 
> > > 
> > > That is fucking harmful. 
> > > 
> > > At least Dr. Bloomfield drugged his women and didn't try to brainwash 
> > > them into breaking the trust enjoyed with virtually everyone in their 
> > > social circle. 
> > > 
> > > Yeah, sure, it MIGHT evolve some folks who would rise to the challenges 
> > > of facing ones personal integrity being shitcanned after one has torn 
> > > ones life up like a bad parking ticket, yep, could be, but on average, 
> > > every woman who ever fucked Hagelin had to face themselves in perhaps the 
> > > harshest light they've ever had shone upon them.  And it wouldn't be 
> > > pretty what they saw in the mirror.
> > > 
> > > Each woman, on her death bed, gets to say:  "I fucked Hagelin and ruined 
> > > my marriage and my kids hate me to this day for what I did to their 
> > > father when I could have just gone to a marriage counselor or something, 
> > > or I could have at least faced 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Important change in the Invincible America Assembly

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> "I 
> emphasized that in the future the grant, when available, would probably 
> be for a smaller number of Yogic Flyers, especially the most active 
> flyers, who do really long flying and make a long-term commitment to the 
> Invincible America Assembly program. Maharishi said this from the 
> beginning and Dr. Doug and Dr. Linda Birx have been working on this 
> throughout. This will reduce the numbers, but we will have a more 
> powerful group."
> 
> We always heard the way to world peace is through having enough people flying 
> together - the bigger the group, the more powerful the Marshy Effect. 
> 
> Now Big Bopper Bevan claims the more COMMITTED the group, the longer they 
> fly, the more powerful they are, more powerful than a larger group. 
> 
> What a lying son of a bitch, and I am speaking of BOTH Marshy and his lackey 
> Big Bopper.
> 
>

Dear MJ, Look he has a point about communal spiritual ill-discipline.  I feel 
you are being too negative in your criticism.  I was in the Dome just this 
morning having absolutely incredible spiritual experiences and this guy comes 
in at the last minute as the group meditation is beginning and lays down nearby 
first thing to sleep for the whole meditation.  In fact The Domes in field 
effect are incredible places to meditate.  Sweet Jeesus what a waste of an 
incredible human spiritual opportunity to just stroll in and lay down.  He 
makes the effort to get up in the morning and comes to the Dome and does not 
spend his time meditating there?  He sits up during the yogic flying part. 
Gawd. Give me a long stick and I'd make him sit up for meditation and actually 
make him help out communally instead of just sucking.  Like the classic zen 
thing of a guy with a stick rapping people has a place; there is a place for 
some discipline in sitting up and doing the spiritual practice.  Fetch me a 
stick and I could improve the level of collective inner experience there real 
quick.  

The proud and old TM-Running-Dog
of the meditating TM movement of the Fairfield Domes,
-Buck  

 
> 
>  From: Rick Archer 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 2:13 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Important change in the Invincible America Assembly
>  
> 
> 
>   
> --- On Mon, 5/20/13, Dr. Bevan Morris  wrote:
> 
> >From: Dr. Bevan Morris 
> >Subject: Important
>  change in the Invincible America Assembly
> >Date: Monday, May 20, 2013, 1:01
>  PM
> >Dear Friend of Maharishi University of Management,
> >
> >The Settle Foundation is facing financial challenges due to difficulties 
> >that have arisen in the past five months in the business that underlies the 
> >foundation's giving.
> >
> >Word of this has reached the Invincible America Assembly grant recipients, 
> >so Raja John Hagelin asked me to explain the situation to everyone on the 
> >Assembly, which I did on Thursday.
> >
> >I explained that the Settle grants
>  would be coming to an end over the next months.
> >
> >I said everyone should
>  quickly make plans to be self-sufficient through "cashing in" in the 
> afternoon (i.e., working at a job in the afternoon) as Maharishi described 
> it, or any other approach, including, at least for some, personal funds.
> >
> >I also said Raja John Hagelin, Raja Wynne and Maureen, Raja Bob Lopinto, 
> >Raja Harris and myself are trying to come up with a plan for new sources of 
> >income that will allow the program to continue as much as possible, and we 
> >are talking to our Indian leaders about this. Of course, supporting the 600 
> >Vedic Pandits we have here now is extremely important, and if we are 
> >successful in raising new funds, bringing the 400 Maharishi Vedic Pandits 
> >who are in India waiting to come, to create a much higher level of national 
> >coherence.
> >
> >I emphasized that in the future the grant, when available, would probably be 
> >for a smaller number of Yogic Flyers, especially the most active flyers, who 
> >do really long flying and make a long-term
>  commitment to the Invincible America Assembly program. Maharishi said this 
> from the beginning and Dr. Doug and Dr. Linda Birx have been working on this 
> throughout. This will reduce the numbers, but we will have a more powerful 
> group.
> >
> >I pointed out the present situation means that we have been depending on the 
> >generosity of Howard and Alice too much. We need to take responsibility 
> >afresh to engage all the Sidhas of America in national invincibility.
> >
> >The response was extremely beautiful. Speaker after speaker sent their 
> >infinite love and gratitude to the Settles, saying they understand how they 
> >must be feeling, and want them only to feel the depth of their gratitude and 
> >love. 
> >
> >The common feeling was that the Invincible America Assembly will continue 
> >even without the grant. The Assembly Maharishi created even before there was 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gluten free diet and siddhis!

[Share Long]

Jeez, Richard!  If you don't like my question, then you ask one!  Oh, you did 
(-:
Yes, they sell gluten free stuff in FF.  FF is a very with it town I'll have 
you know (-:

So glad to hear that the double fiber bread works for you.  Good job!




 From: Richard J. Williams 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 10:22 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gluten free diet and siddhis!
 


  
Share Long:
> That's great carde, what other benefits have you 
> noticed? noozguru, you've probably said before, 
> but I'll ask anyway: what do you think of the 
> whole gluten free trend?
> 
Asking the important questions. LoL!
Do they even sell gluten-free bread in Fairfield?
Well, I guess you could bake some or you could get
the gluten-free bread mail order, if you really 
need some. Get some double-fiber bread too if you 
place an order. Works for me!
Let's ask our resident TMO baker, M.J., what he 
thinks. We used to have a cook on the list, Kirk, 
but after Katrina he seems to have lost his 
internet connection and his smart-phone. Curtis
is a cooker too, I wonder what he thinks of the
gluten-free bread at $5.00 a loaf. Go figure.
15 Tips for Making Better Gluten-Free Breads 
> Highly recommend most of us to try gluten free diet
> at least for a couple of days! (No wheat, rye or, 
> Lawd have mercy, barley!?)
> 
> It's way weird but after I've been on that diet
> for a couple of weeks now, also the "other" saMyama-s
> (not just YF) seem to have some effect, or stuff!
> 
> Well, mainly that's prolly due to my being able
> to concentrate ("do" dhaaraNaa*) better, because
> the constant irritation of my lungs has diminished,
> I'd say at least by 90 percent!
> 
> *saMyamaH = dhaaraNaa "+" dhyaanam "+" samaadhiH
> 
> (trayam [(those) three] ekatra: saMyamaH)
>

 

[FairfieldLife] Slander and Defamation, was BatGap Panel Discussiï

[Richard J. Williams]

feste37:
> What a pathetic post. Peddling old gossip, spreading 
> rumors, denouncing others for alleged immorality. If 
> you can't do better than this, Duveyoung, I suggest 
> you STFU. 
>
He needs some professional help, obviously. Why won't
Alex help him, by booting him off the list, before Edg
gets sued, or before the list gets taken down and Rick
has to pay. 

Slander is illegal isn't it?

[FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> I "know" only from gossip, but the gossip was a constant patter of "tidbits." 
>  I saw him at dinner ONCE with a married lady, but that could have been 
> innocent...yeah, right, sure..  Small town with only about three 
> restaurants to "get fancy dancy" and of course he was seen around town a lot. 
>  I, with four kids at MSAE had all kinds of pot lucks etc. to hob nob enough 
> to catch the gossip.  Of course, EVEN ONCE, would be enough for my 
> "Lutheranism patterns amplified by my TM shame-on-you patterns" to glom onto 
> and bookmark the anecdotes. Same deal with Bevan, and I personally saw Larry 
> Domesh indulging in lust sitting a mere 20 feet from Maharishi as he lectured 
> to a private group!  Yup, sex is a powerful mind twister, and, hey, the 
> movement never gave us help-one to meet those challenges, so it's not like we 
> can throw the book at these guys for moral-criminality, but yeah, I do.
> 
> Note:  The Karina Hotel fire was caused by a guy who started his girl 
> friend's room on fire due to her "cheating" on him.  

Women went gaga over Domash. I remember finding him rather attractive myself 
back when he lived at MIU in the 70's. I think he was a bit of an arrogant 
prick but he was kinda pretty. He was never without some girlfriend or other. 
One was an aerobics teacher, bet they had lots to talk about.
> 
> Careful out there on the long rounding courses, kiddies, people be 
> destressing!
> 
> Edg
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > I have heard from time to time about Hagelin's womanizing but nothing very 
> > specific - how do you know all this stuff or has it just been kind of 
> > circulating around and not specific?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: Duveyoung 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:47 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, 
> > Ph.D.,  Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer
> >  
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jason"  wrote:
> > >
> > > It takes two to tangle. You seem to imply that he was 
> > > dragging them to the cave with a stone club in hand.
> > > Looks like TM didn't do any good to those women either.
> > > 
> > 
> > Maybe we can assign 50% of the blame on the married women, cuz, hey, free 
> > will and all that, but. nope.
> > 
> > The equation changes when one of the partners has so much to offer to the 
> > (spiritually, financially, socially) impoverished other.
> > 
> > He took advantage.  He leveraged.  He must be held to the same standard we 
> > held Maharishi about his sexcapades.
> > 
> > Hagelin never not once ever never once ever said: 
> > 
> > "Hey, babe, nice just meeting you, a minion, and me, a royal scion, and I 
> > know you're married, and it's a sin to fuck me, but, hey, let's just put 
> > all that aside and not dwell on the YEARS AND YEARS OF DAMAGE it would do 
> > to your husband and your kids if they find out." 
> > 
> > Hagelin never asked like that, right, but THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE EXPECTED 
> > FROM THEM, cuz, HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING.  And he knew he was ABSOLUTELY 
> > HARMING these women -- "harming" means "alluring women to change their 
> > lives so dramatically and so covertly that it was certain that when the 
> > affairs were revealed, all the lying and disloyalty would not be easily 
> > dealt with -- without YEARS of professional help for all concerned." 
> > 
> > That is fucking harmful. 
> > 
> > At least Dr. Bloomfield drugged his women and didn't try to brainwash them 
> > into breaking the trust enjoyed with virtually everyone in their social 
> > circle. 
> > 
> > Yeah, sure, it MIGHT evolve some folks who would rise to the challenges of 
> > facing ones personal integrity being shitcanned after one has torn ones 
> > life up like a bad parking ticket, yep, could be, but on average, every 
> > woman who ever fucked Hagelin had to face themselves in perhaps the 
> > harshest light they've ever had shone upon them.  And it wouldn't be pretty 
> > what they saw in the mirror.
> > 
> > Each woman, on her death bed, gets to say:  "I fucked Hagelin and ruined my 
> > marriage and my kids hate me to this day for what I did to their father 
> > when I could have just gone to a marriage counselor or something, or I 
> > could have at least faced their father forthrightly about the marital 
> > dissonance and just said, 'I'm ending it, but at least I'm being honest and 
> > not sneaking behind your back and cuckolding you and doing all the things 
> > that incur rage in others who are blinded by their trust and loyalty 
> > towards the cheating partner and who will have no clue until it's revealed 
> > to them as if a bomb going off.'"
> > 
> > Who wants to say that?  Hagelin made every woman NOT CONSIDER THAT.  He 
> > gave them

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Man In Paris, v3.01

[feste37]

Of course he's angry. All his stories have only one purpose: to puff himself up 
and lash out at people on FFL, either as individuals or simply the group as a 
whole. The story he tells is just the setup. He is as predictable as a robot. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> turq, I often encounter devoted and long term TMers who even currently enjoy 
> spending time with their children and grandchildren.  As regards living for 
> enlightenment, many of the sidhas I know are living for the sake of living 
> itself, the richness of it, just riding those waves of life.  Yes, they 
> engage in a particular activity to develop themselves more, but isn't that 
> part of being human?  For example, don't you yourself engage in activities 
> to develop as a writer?  Anyway, you sound angry in your last paragraph.  
> Were you?  If yes, why?        
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: turquoiseb 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 4:59 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Free Man In Paris, v3.01
>  
> 
> 
>   
> I was having dinner with a friend from work last night in a small
> restaurant on the Ile St. Louis, and it turned into an interesting
> opportunity to teach, and to learn. My friend is someone I work with --
> another American ex-pat, a former jazz pianist turned tech writer,
> originally from San Francisco but living and working here in Europe for
> the last dozen years, so we have a lot in common and lots to talk about.
> But we wound up talking about none of those things because two people
> came in and sat at the small table next to us.
> 
> They were an older woman (but younger than either of us) and a young
> girl (who we learned was 12). The girl heard us talking in English and
> started a conversation, and I'm glad she did. It turns out she is from
> Atlanta, brought here by her grandmother for her first trip to Europe.
> The grandmother is doing this because the young girl is an aspiring
> artist, and she wanted her granddaughter to have the experience of
> seeing this place and its art close up, in person.
> 
> And they both turned out to be charming. Both were so open to
> suggestions as to what to see and where to go while in Paris, and my
> friend and I both benefited from hearing them talk about the things
> they'd seen so far. It was like being able to experience them for the
> first time ourselves -- all the excitement, all the wonder.
> 
> It was a charming evening, and I hope that we were able to steer both of
> them to some sights and experiences they will enjoy and cherish, and
> that will inspire them as they inspired us. My biggest "take away" from
> the evening, however, was seeing the joy in the young girl's eyes, and
> in her grandmother's at having been able to help put it there, and
> looking forward to being able to do the same thing some day for Maya.
> 
> Fuck enlightenment, or realization, or any of the things that people
> here seem to "live for." If there is anything that'll inspire me to keep
> on keepin' on for another few years, it's the idea of being able to show
> Paris and other cool places to Maya for the first time...
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev and the Revival of Knowledge

[Richard J. Williams]

mjackson74:
> If Guru Dev had lived and saw what a mockery 
> Marshy made of what Guru Dev taught he would 
> have kicked Marshy's ass from Delhi to Kashmir 
> and back again.
> 
So, you're thinking MMY got your bija mantra
thingy wrong? 

 
> > Guru Dev and the Revival of Knowledge
> > Catalina Island, USA, 10 October, 1961
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer

[feste37]

What a pathetic post. Peddling old gossip, spreading rumors, denouncing others 
for alleged immorality. If you can't do better than this, Duveyoung, I suggest 
you STFU. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> I "know" only from gossip, but the gossip was a constant patter of "tidbits." 
>  I saw him at dinner ONCE with a married lady, but that could have been 
> innocent...yeah, right, sure..  Small town with only about three 
> restaurants to "get fancy dancy" and of course he was seen around town a lot. 
>  I, with four kids at MSAE had all kinds of pot lucks etc. to hob nob enough 
> to catch the gossip.  Of course, EVEN ONCE, would be enough for my 
> "Lutheranism patterns amplified by my TM shame-on-you patterns" to glom onto 
> and bookmark the anecdotes. Same deal with Bevan, and I personally saw Larry 
> Domesh indulging in lust sitting a mere 20 feet from Maharishi as he lectured 
> to a private group!  Yup, sex is a powerful mind twister, and, hey, the 
> movement never gave us help-one to meet those challenges, so it's not like we 
> can throw the book at these guys for moral-criminality, but yeah, I do.
> 
> Note:  The Karina Hotel fire was caused by a guy who started his girl 
> friend's room on fire due to her "cheating" on him.  
> 
> Careful out there on the long rounding courses, kiddies, people be 
> destressing!
> 
> Edg
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > I have heard from time to time about Hagelin's womanizing but nothing very 
> > specific - how do you know all this stuff or has it just been kind of 
> > circulating around and not specific?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: Duveyoung 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:47 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, 
> > Ph.D.,  Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer
> >  
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jason"  wrote:
> > >
> > > It takes two to tangle. You seem to imply that he was 
> > > dragging them to the cave with a stone club in hand.
> > > Looks like TM didn't do any good to those women either.
> > > 
> > 
> > Maybe we can assign 50% of the blame on the married women, cuz, hey, free 
> > will and all that, but. nope.
> > 
> > The equation changes when one of the partners has so much to offer to the 
> > (spiritually, financially, socially) impoverished other.
> > 
> > He took advantage.  He leveraged.  He must be held to the same standard we 
> > held Maharishi about his sexcapades.
> > 
> > Hagelin never not once ever never once ever said: 
> > 
> > "Hey, babe, nice just meeting you, a minion, and me, a royal scion, and I 
> > know you're married, and it's a sin to fuck me, but, hey, let's just put 
> > all that aside and not dwell on the YEARS AND YEARS OF DAMAGE it would do 
> > to your husband and your kids if they find out." 
> > 
> > Hagelin never asked like that, right, but THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE EXPECTED 
> > FROM THEM, cuz, HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING.  And he knew he was ABSOLUTELY 
> > HARMING these women -- "harming" means "alluring women to change their 
> > lives so dramatically and so covertly that it was certain that when the 
> > affairs were revealed, all the lying and disloyalty would not be easily 
> > dealt with -- without YEARS of professional help for all concerned." 
> > 
> > That is fucking harmful. 
> > 
> > At least Dr. Bloomfield drugged his women and didn't try to brainwash them 
> > into breaking the trust enjoyed with virtually everyone in their social 
> > circle. 
> > 
> > Yeah, sure, it MIGHT evolve some folks who would rise to the challenges of 
> > facing ones personal integrity being shitcanned after one has torn ones 
> > life up like a bad parking ticket, yep, could be, but on average, every 
> > woman who ever fucked Hagelin had to face themselves in perhaps the 
> > harshest light they've ever had shone upon them.  And it wouldn't be pretty 
> > what they saw in the mirror.
> > 
> > Each woman, on her death bed, gets to say:  "I fucked Hagelin and ruined my 
> > marriage and my kids hate me to this day for what I did to their father 
> > when I could have just gone to a marriage counselor or something, or I 
> > could have at least faced their father forthrightly about the marital 
> > dissonance and just said, 'I'm ending it, but at least I'm being honest and 
> > not sneaking behind your back and cuckolding you and doing all the things 
> > that incur rage in others who are blinded by their trust and loyalty 
> > towards the cheating partner and who will have no clue until it's revealed 
> > to them as if a bomb going off.'"
> > 
> > Who wants to say that?  Hagelin made every woman NOT CONSIDER THAT.  He 
> > gave them, what?, promises of, what?  Don't even try to tell me all the 
> > women were simply randy and Hagelin was a hunk.  Women don

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gluten free diet and siddhis!

[Richard J. Williams]

Share Long:
> That's great carde, what other benefits have you
> noticed? noozguru, you've probably said before,
> but I'll ask anyway: what do you think of the
> whole gluten free trend?
>
Asking the important questions. LoL!

Do they even sell gluten-free bread in Fairfield?

Well, I guess you could bake some or you could get
the gluten-free bread mail order, if you really
need some. Get some double-fiber bread too if you
place an order. Works for me!

Let's ask our resident TMO baker, M.J., what he
thinks. We used to have a cook on the list, Kirk,
but after Katrina he seems to have lost his
internet connection and his smart-phone. Curtis
is a cooker too, I wonder what he thinks of the
gluten-free bread at $5.00 a loaf. Go figure.

15 Tips for Making Better Gluten-Free Breads


> Highly recommend most of us to try gluten free diet
> at least for a couple of days! (No wheat, rye or,
> Lawd have mercy, barley!?)
>
> It's way weird but after I've been on that diet
> for a couple of weeks now, also the "other" saMyama-s
> (not just YF) seem to have some effect, or stuff!
>
> Well, mainly that's prolly due to my being able
> to concentrate ("do" dhaaraNaa*) better, because
> the constant irritation of my lungs has diminished,
> I'd say at least by 90 percent!
>
> *saMyamaH = dhaaraNaa "+" dhyaanam "+" samaadhiH
>
> (trayam [(those) three] ekatra: saMyamaH)
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Important change in the Invincible America Assembly

[Michael Jackson]

"I 
emphasized that in the future the grant, when available, would probably 
be for a smaller number of Yogic Flyers, especially the most active 
flyers, who do really long flying and make a long-term commitment to the 
Invincible America Assembly program. Maharishi said this from the 
beginning and Dr. Doug and Dr. Linda Birx have been working on this 
throughout. This will reduce the numbers, but we will have a more 
powerful group."

We always heard the way to world peace is through having enough people flying 
together - the bigger the group, the more powerful the Marshy Effect. 

Now Big Bopper Bevan claims the more COMMITTED the group, the longer they fly, 
the more powerful they are, more powerful than a larger group. 

What a lying son of a bitch, and I am speaking of BOTH Marshy and his lackey 
Big Bopper.



 From: Rick Archer 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 2:13 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Important change in the Invincible America Assembly
 


  
--- On Mon, 5/20/13, Dr. Bevan Morris  wrote:

>From: Dr. Bevan Morris 
>Subject: Important
 change in the Invincible America Assembly
>Date: Monday, May 20, 2013, 1:01
 PM
>Dear Friend of Maharishi University of Management,
>
>The Settle Foundation is facing financial challenges due to difficulties that 
>have arisen in the past five months in the business that underlies the 
>foundation's giving.
>
>Word of this has reached the Invincible America Assembly grant recipients, so 
>Raja John Hagelin asked me to explain the situation to everyone on the 
>Assembly, which I did on Thursday.
>
>I explained that the Settle grants
 would be coming to an end over the next months.
>
>I said everyone should
 quickly make plans to be self-sufficient through "cashing in" in the afternoon 
(i.e., working at a job in the afternoon) as Maharishi described it, or any 
other approach, including, at least for some, personal funds.
>
>I also said Raja John Hagelin, Raja Wynne and Maureen, Raja Bob Lopinto, Raja 
>Harris and myself are trying to come up with a plan for new sources of income 
>that will allow the program to continue as much as possible, and we are 
>talking to our Indian leaders about this. Of course, supporting the 600 Vedic 
>Pandits we have here now is extremely important, and if we are successful in 
>raising new funds, bringing the 400 Maharishi Vedic Pandits who are in India 
>waiting to come, to create a much higher level of national coherence.
>
>I emphasized that in the future the grant, when available, would probably be 
>for a smaller number of Yogic Flyers, especially the most active flyers, who 
>do really long flying and make a long-term
 commitment to the Invincible America Assembly program. Maharishi said this 
from the beginning and Dr. Doug and Dr. Linda Birx have been working on this 
throughout. This will reduce the numbers, but we will have a more powerful 
group.
>
>I pointed out the present situation means that we have been depending on the 
>generosity of Howard and Alice too much. We need to take responsibility afresh 
>to engage all the Sidhas of America in national invincibility.
>
>The response was extremely beautiful. Speaker after speaker sent their 
>infinite love and gratitude to the Settles, saying they understand how they 
>must be feeling, and want them only to feel the depth of their gratitude and 
>love. 
>
>The common feeling was that the Invincible America Assembly will continue even 
>without the grant. The Assembly Maharishi created even before there was a 
>grant, and it will continue even now that the grant is not possible for some 
>time. Some also said they would
 apply to become Maharishi University of Management students so they could use 
financial aid to continue.
>
>They suggested we fly at the same time as the 8,000 Yogic Flyers in Oaxaca, 
>Mexico, that we adjust lift-off for flying time to accommodate people with 
>jobs in Fairfield, and other positive ideas. They reminded us that Maharishi 
>said, "I am—India and America for a bright future for the world" and we have 
>to fulfill Maharishi's direction, all of us together. 
>
>It was a very moving and even blissful occasion. We will continue in the 
>Invincible America Assembly experience session with more thinking from 
>everyone.
>
>A new campaign is also starting for all Sidhas in Fairfield, Maharishi Vedic 
>City, and nationally to participate in the Invincible America Assembly to 
>create a better fortune for the nation.
>
>We are all so grateful to Howard and Alice for giving nearly $100 million over 
>the past seven years—it is really just
 phenomenal and historic—and we know that they will continue to do everything 
to support national invincibility.
>
>With Best Wishes,
>
>Jai Guru Dev
>
>Bevan  
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Guru Dev and the Revival of Knowledge

[Michael Jackson]

If Guru Dev had lived and saw what a mockery Marshy made of what Guru Dev 
taught he would have kicked Marshy's ass from Delhi to Kashmir and back again.





 From: Dick Mays 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 7:23 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Guru Dev and the Revival of Knowledge
 


  
Guru Dev and the Revival of Knowledge
Catalina Island, USA, 10 October, 1961


Maharishi speaks about his divine master Guru Dev, His Divinity Brahmanand 
Saraswati, Jagadguru Bhagavan Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math, Bhadrikashram, 
Himalayas

“As Shakaracharya, he was found to have the great intellect of the first 
Shankaracharya and the heart of Buddha, the loveable, soft heart of Buddha and 
the great intellect of Shankara, and that was his personality. He wouldn’t go 
much in details of the philosophical discussions, but what he spoke was simple 
truths of life, but very simple, so piercing they went straight home to heart.

 Those were the meetings in open air—all the time in open, except in the rains, 
open air meetings. We used to have sixteen, twenty, twelve, eight, twelve big, 
big mics to cover the range of about 50,000 people, 100,000 people—like that, 
just for his evening discourses. And he would hardly speak thirty minutes, 
forty. Forty minutes was the maximum that he went sometimes. But every word 
that he spoke was so powerful, was so piercing, was so convincing.

First people would see him and would be transformed to all good life. Whatever 
remained there, buried in the subconscious, will come out when they hear his 
words.

Very great atheists have just been transformed, not by the logic or not by the 
deep exposition of anything great which they did not know before, but the truth 
exposed in so simple words and in such great force of life-force, that they 
couldn’t but only be transformed. The motorcar will pass from there and he 
would be speaking, and if the car is not very fast, if the driver happens to 
hear some words, immediately he’ll put up the break and stop and listen—can’t 
pass on; he has to stop. Such charm was there in his words, and such great 
simplicity and depth of thought, and he charmed the child and the old all 
alike. It was a pin-drop silence of 50,000, 100,000 people, just pin–drop.
 
Before him used to speak some big, learned Pandits—famous, big, learned Pandits 
of northern India. They go with Shakaracharya all the time. That is customary, 
some famous astrologers in his retinue, some big, famous professors of Vedant, 
of Yoga—all these, they go along with him. So these big, big, huge intellectual 
giants used to speak before him. Some would speak one hour, some would speak 
half an hour like that, and there was a marked difference in what they spoke 
and what he spoke.

And for initiations it was, it was, it was an unprecedented gathering to take 
initiations from him. Just it was tremendous, tremendous. Those who have seen 
those days have been so fortunate, and those who have seen me moving about in 
that atmosphere, they know how the grace of Guru Dev has dawned and how when 
they hear the stories in these parts, how it is happening, what is happening, 
then they say: Oh, it's not surprise, yes, he has received the grace of Guru 
Dev. All but his grace and nothing else.

Except his grace, I don’t have anything, and God willing the whole world is 
going to enjoy. So we are fortunate, and all of you are very fortunate to have 
his grace so far from India, but the fortune is there. Only we have to share 
our fortune with all our fellow men, and we have to do our utmost what we can 
to bring this meditation to all the people in all the ways possible for 
everyone of us.

This, if I could have some real, good cooperation of all the people who come in 
my contact, it would be something. The whole world will become so full with all 
sublime essence of human life. Humanity will be changed into divinity just 
direct. We have seen his life, so we know what divine could be in man’s life: 
just fullness of divinity. That is all the strength that I have, and that you 
should fee in yourself. Such great power, such great wisdom, such great bliss.
That is something about Guru Dev.


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Afghan Students Protest Women's Rights Decree

[Michael Jackson]

Oh boy oh boy oh boy - the abusers are helping the women and the earth in 
general. If you really believe that you are living proof that Dome attendance 
causes insanity.





 From: Buck 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 8:07 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Afghan Students Protest Women's Rights Decree
 


  
Yep, these struggles are the steps of progress in enlarging equal rights for 
all.  Om yes, How is Girish Varma and the TM movement doing in India with 
women's rights?  Our India partners?  In the end even Girish will have been 
seen to have helped in the fight for equal rights even for women.  Enlargement 
in the human experience of equal rights is the force of change inherent in the 
Unified Field.  That is the human story on this planet.  It is right and 
natural law that every human is born with, to experience the Self as the 
Unified Field.  We must all fight to open this even for our neighbor.  The 
Meissnner Effect [ME] of coherent consciousness now is a powerful weapon on our 
side.  We should deploy it aggressively and more widely.   Our public policy in 
science, technology, and human spirituality as Americans should be that 
everyone should come now to meditation. 
Our's is a liberation army on the move.
-Buck in the Dome

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> >
> > The decree on Elimination of Violence Against Women, which includes a ban 
> > on child marriage and forced marriage, makes domestic violence a crime and 
> > says rape victims cannot be prosecuted for adultery. It also outlaws 
> > "ba'ad," a traditional practice of exchanging women or girls to settle 
> > disputes or debts.
> >
> 
> It is called civilizing; bringing equal rights to all.  Including the 
> inalienable fundamental human right to transcend in all.  Enlarging equal 
> rights is a large part and duty of Being American.  It is good we are there 
> with the civilized part of the world in force.  It would be better if we 
> could get the David Lynch Foundation in there too teaching the children in 
> the schools how to meditate. 
> -Buck in the Dome 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Fundamentalism is hard to erase.  But Afghans now realize that they are 
> > > under the watchful eyes of the modern world.  Will they eventually change?
> > > 
> > > http://news.yahoo.com/afghan-students-protest-womens-rights-decree-073905010.html
> > >
> >
>


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers and Super Storms

[Michael Jackson]

Buck, don't be so sure the Settles are behind the move - if Big Bopper Bevan 
and the others TMO Top Dogs can get the money shifted to the Latin American 
countries where the financial oversight is harder to achieve than here in the 
US, Big Bopper and the boys at the top including Girish and the Srivastavas 
boys have a better chance of stealing it than if it is actually supporting 
broke TM'ers here in the US of A.





 From: Buck 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:30 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers and Super Storms
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
>
> 
> > >
> >
> Hypocrite:
> 
> adjective
> 
> 1: a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue
> or religion
> 2: a person who acts in contradiction to his or her
> stated beliefs or feelings
> 
> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrite
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > > Wow, $100,000,000 goes into Invincible America and
> > > you *still* get tornadoes?
> > >
> > > Are the Settle's feeling sick or what!

That is interesting.  A real failure within the Invincibility Dome numbers is 
that the guidelines they use to feel people out has effectively made hypocrites 
of us all as a community.  It is appalling to a lot of people.  Bevan wants to 
fealty test and punish people and people have generally said "fuck you" we are 
not that. 

I spoke with a friend just recently who got his badge back after they urged him 
to lie about seeing saints.  He got the badge but feels so compromised by the 
reality of the process that he just threw it in his desk drawer and will not 
go.  This is an old-time really strong and bright lit TM-meditator.  The 
Failure of the Dome numbers simply has gone way back to Bevan and his 
authoritarian sense of "faith and belief in Maharishi".  We're stuck and no 
wonder the Settles and Rudney's could feel chagrined that they never really got 
the numbers they hoped for.  It's a shame. 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It is over. Our Largesse is Come to an end.

[Michael Jackson]

Jesus, Buck, look at what you are saying and thinking:

The TMO effort to create world peace is a noble effort, therefore if they SAY 
they are continuing the effort, then we line up with salutes, money and praise. 
What about the people who left everything behind to support the effort in FF? 
How many of them are out on the street now? The TMO and its donors have NEVER 
given a crap about people and how TMO policy affects people and their lives. 
How would Jesus view this move?

I've seen this kind of mess in the TMO for years - a trail of broken dreams and 
broken lives.





 From: Buck 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 7:34 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: It is over.  Our Largesse is Come to an end.
 


  
Fairfield,Iowa failed to achieve a critical mass hence the money is better 
spent somewhere else.  Money is money and these are noble scientists who are 
also business people expecting results from their money.  Who could blame them 
for the poor results in the Fairfield Dome numbers here.  The shame is that 
people like even the list of lurkers on this list did not come out more for the 
project of meditating together.  It was the large high-minded scientific 
experiment seeking data yet.  The shame is with the people who did not come who 
do know better.  Fairfield failed the sample size.  More than anyone, I should 
blame some people here on this very internet list who failed to help us all by 
not coming to meditation.  That was the incredibly lost opportunity.  That is a 
shame on them, the ones who did not come to help when help was needed.
-Buck in the Dome 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> This is not the end of the Assembly in Fairfield, only that the Grant money 
> is come to an end.  The Fairfield Assembly will become something else.  The 
> donors felt there was more bang for the dollar funding going where there are 
> already much larger group meditations.  Their money is going to go where they 
> can support the really large groups of meditators in Latin America and Asia. 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> >
> > I think it was a pretty nice offer to pay people to meditate.  Very 
> > generous, actually, on the donor's part.  And Michael, while I agree with 
> > you on many things, not this. The people who chose to get paid to meditate 
> > in the Domes are adults (not serfs) - and I think most are well over 25.  
> > Perhaps this was a really good thing for them.  And I don't think it was 8 
> > hrs per day, either.  Maybe they had nothing else to do anyway, and so this 
> > was good.  Buck would know for sure, but I think this offer was around for 
> > about 5 years?  So these people did not spend 30 years doing this.  If by 
> > their 50's or so these people had nothing else going and are living in 
> > Fairfield and have tons of free time, well then that is a problem (or maybe 
> > just a situation) you can't really blame on the TMO.  At some point they 
> > are responsible for their own choices.  My guess is that for some, this was 
> > about all they could manage and meant alot. Good for them, they got
 lucky for a while.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> > >
> > > TMO Serfs.  Now they can join the other growing number of serfs in the US.
> > > 
> > > On 05/17/2013 06:45 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > > > The deal was 800 bucks a month if you qualify. As usual the Movement 
> > > > leave you in the lurch in the end. More to the point, it encourages 
> > > > people to lead a very dysfunctional and impractical lifestyle - to be 
> > > > sitting with the eyes closed 8 hours a day and earning no money so that 
> > > > when the Movement donors jerk the rug out from under, you are left with 
> > > > no job, no job skills and no place to go.
> > > >
> > > > What a bunch of asses. They think only of themselves.
> > > >
> > > > And that should be 50 for me. But believe me, I will weigh in come 
> > > > tomorrow.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >   From: Ann 
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 9:35 AM
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: It is over.  Our Largesse is Come to an 
> > > > end.
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > > >> That's going to hit some people hard. They've come to depend on that 
> > > >> stipend.
> > > > I saw this end to the grant thing on, of all places, FB a few days ago. 
> > > > There it said people were paid $3.80 per hour to meditate in the Domes. 
> > > > Is that correct? Were there other monies paid for living expenses and 
> > > > travel to FF?
> 
> > > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > >>> Yep, Dr. Bevan Morris, Prime Minister of the Global Country of World 
> > > >>> Peace and President of Maharishi University of Mana

Re: [FairfieldLife] Krishna like Christian evangelizing

[Michael Jackson]

Jesus Christ in Heaven! Are you for real? With all the yagya, vastu veda, don't 
go into a south facing entrance, ayurvedic admonitions for the husband not to 
touch or look at his wife the first part of the first day of her period, don't 
go outside in a solar eclipse cuz it opens you to demonic influence? Marshy 
used the IDEA that TM was scientific - it wasn't and it ain't. 





 From: Buck 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 11:14 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Krishna like Christian evangelizing
 


  

in Fairfield, It's like there has been a cultural protection or predisposition 
in meditators generally against these other more mood-making or faith-based 
kinds of groups encroaching very far.  It's like the TM'ers are more scientific 
and immune from too much iron age belief structures.  You know, Maharishi did 
study a degree in physics.  Modern science and the scientific process was after 
all part of his spiritual revival.  Very 21st Century.
-Buck in the Dome 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
>
> 
> Kind of surprising that the Krishna's have not evangelized Fairfield before 
> now for as hard as they have worked the airports and street-corners once upon 
> a time.  The Christians have always been hoping to try.  The Buddhists 
> however are almost non-existent in Fairfield. 
> -Buck in the Dome
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Wait, won't you git in trouble with the Golden Dome Police if you go to a 
> > > hare krishna deal?
> > > 
> > > I can understand why the TMO would object to Dome-goers attending Hare 
> > > Krishna stuff, they don't want the TMO's life abnegating hindoo dogma to 
> > > be replaced by the hary krshna's brand of life abnegating hindoo dogma.
> > > 
> > 
> > Do the Hari's also practice a silent meditation?
> > 
> > It is an interesting thing that for as big a movement as they are out in 
> > the world that it took so long for them to show up in Fairfield.  Hari Om.
> > 
> > -Buck
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: Buck 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 10:25 AM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Feast and Flight, Saturday, May 11th
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > Dear Om Tat Sat;
> > > It is a remarkable thing about this little town of Fairfield, Iowa that 
> > > there is so much spirituality going on all the time.  'So much to do, so 
> > > little time'.  And so many choices at any moment.  I would love to attend 
> > > your kirtan and meal.  Except that I have an obligation to attend the May 
> > > Fair today at the same time.  I may drop by your satsang afterwards for 
> > > left-overs.  This is so Fairfield.
> > > Welcome to the spiritual marketplace which is Fairfield.
> > > It's a joy,
> > > -Buck in the Dome 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Martin A Rosenthal  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Friends:
> > > > 
> > > > Please honor us with your presence at
> > > > today's kirtan, lecture, and feast at 105 S 3rd Street in
> > > > Fairfield, Iowa, beginning at noon today, Saturday, May 11th. If you 
> > > > can not come in body, then come in mind in spirit in your
> > > > heart, simply by reading the adventure below.
> > > > 
> > > > I have promised to deliver a lecture of
> > > > flying in the Vaishnava (those who believe in Vishnu as supreme)
> > > > tradition.  Here is one such example among many.  The lecture will
> > > > begin at 12:30, after Hare Krishna kirtan, which will begin at 12 pm. 
> > > > At 1:00 we shall all enjoy a six course feast of food prepared for
> > > > the pleasure of Krishna and offered to Him with loving devotion. 
> > > > Once Krishna has enjoyed our offerings by His merciful glance, it is
> > > > transformed into Bhagavat Prasadam, which bestows love of Krishna
> > > > upon all who experience it.  Even those who hear with faith about
> > > > such a feast are elevated in Krishna Bhakti Yoga, or pure love for
> > > > God, Who is know in countless traditions by countless names. 
> > > > 
> > > > Recently, Krishna's Kindom of Dvaraka,
> > > > has been discovered, off the west coast of India.
> > > > (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KkDMBhrAD4 )
> > > > 
> > > > Once, in truth, in Dvarak, Krishnas
> > > > city which recently has been discovered off beneath the sea .  India,
> > > > there lived a holy brahmana who desired to have sons.  He had eight
> > > > sons, but as soon as each was born, the infant died  In those times,
> > > > the king was considered responsible for the safety of all of his
> > > > citizens, and so the the brahmana took each of his dead infant sons
> > > > and placed them before Maharaja Ugrasena, who did all within his
> > > > power to rectify conditions within his kingdom so that such things
> > > > would not occur again; just as in the modern day saintly kings engage
> > > > thei

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food

[Michael Jackson]

Practical guy my ass - he got on board with anti-GMO because he thought it 
would give his lackeys some credibility when they were trying to co-opt the 
political scene with the 

ridiculous Natural Law Party - anti-GMO was its main platform that regular 
people could relate to. Marshy didn't do shit unless he thought it benefited 
himself in some way.




 From: Buck 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 3:40 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically 
Engineered Food
 


  

One of Eileen Dannemann's early activisms on GMO's was getting the MUM food 
services to inform their suppliers that MUM was not going to buy GMO food.  
This was a long time ago.  That meant having the campus going over to be an 
organic food service.  She dragged Bevan and the campus administration to it 
and in a sequence she was able to tell Maharishi directly about it and bring 
him to it.  He was always a practical guy about things like this.
-Buck in the Dome

> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > John FAgan withdrew from GMO science and founded Genetic ID around that 
> > same time, so I doubt if MMY came up with the idea in a vacuum. I suspect 
> > that John F. was explaining concerns he had to MMY and MMY triggered on the 
> > implications for Ayurveda and came out with his stance.
> > 
> > L
> >
> 
> Eileen Dannemann " is considered the grandmother of many of the anti GMO 
> coalitions" also early spawned Maharishi, John Fagen and the now famous 
> activist, Jeffery Smith on the GMO subject. 
> 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Om, So what is the connection between GMO's and the larger matters of 
> > > > spirituality we discuss on FFL?  So why would Buck a conservative 
> > > > meditator be spending any time on FFL writing about GMO's  where FFL 
> > > > and FF as a community more ideally are about and well should be about 
> > > > things spiritual and spiritual Fairfield.  Well, obviously firstly I am 
> > > > most interested in the welfare of the Dome meditation and the numbers 
> > > > of meditators meditating together.  Science and our long spiritual 
> > > > experience here clearly shows us that meditating together is of 
> > > > paramount spiritual practice.  Now that the health threatening 
> > > > mechanisms of GMO's to the human system is figured out I certainly feel 
> > > > it is urgent and fair warning to meditators on this forum and 
> > > > everywhere to be aware of the danger GMO's may pose to our Dome group 
> > > > meditation numbers. Forewarned is forearmed; Avert the danger before it 
> > > > arrives,
> > > > -Buck
> > > 
> > > And don't forget that Maharishi was the first to point out the dangers of 
> > > GMO and proposed a ban on all GMO products.
> > >
> >
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Raja Luis is so Successful

[Michael Jackson]

I'm sure it makes all the good peoples of Latin America warm and fuzzy to know 
that Raja Luis and thousands of yogic ass hoppers are on the job.

Guatemalan Court Overturns Genocide Conviction of Ex-Dictator
By ELISABETH MALKIN
MEXICO CITY — Guatemala’s highest court on Monday threw out the genocide 
conviction and prison 
sentence of the former dictator Gen. Efraín Ríos Montt. 
The decision by Guatemala’s Constitutional Court was a dramatic legal 
victory for General Ríos Montt, 86, and a blow to human rights advocates who 
had called his conviction a sign that Guatemala’s courts would no 
longer allow impunity for the country’s powerful. 

General Ríos Montt was sent to prison immediately after the verdict on 
May 10 when a three-panel tribunal found him guilty of genocide and 
crimes against humanity. He was sentenced to 80 years in prison but was 
soon transferred to a military hospital for medical tests. Monday’s 
decision means that he will return to house arrest, where he had been 
held since the case against him began in January 2012. 

The additional effects of Monday’s court ruling were unclear. The court 
did not invalidate the entire trial, which began on March 19. Instead, 
the court ordered that the proceedings be rolled back and reset to April 19, 
when a complex decision by another judge sent the trial into 
disarray, causing a brief suspension. 

By April 19, the tribunal had heard all of the prosecution’s case and 
most of the defense’s. That testimony still stands. But the court’s 
ruling invalidated everything after that date. 

Legal experts said repeating the final days of the trial before the same 
tribunal would be unlikely because it would amount to a form of double 
jeopardy for the general. But it was unclear if the rest of the trial 
would remain in limbo or could be restarted before a new tribunal. 

General Ríos Montt was found to be responsible as commander in chief for a 
series of massacres and rapes and the forced displacement of the 
Maya-Ixil ethnic group during his 17-month rule in 1982 and 1983. During a 
month of prosecution testimony, the court heard wrenching 
descriptions by survivors of the army’s scorched-earth policy through 
the hamlets of the Mayan highlands. 

His co-defendant, Gen. José Mauricio Rodríguez Sánchez, was acquitted. 
The Constitutional Court’s ruling effectively throws out his acquittal, 
and it was unclear whether he would be rearrested. 

The attorney general’s office is expected to appeal the court’s 3-2 ruling on 
Tuesday. 
Although the conviction was celebrated by international human rights 
organizations, it was controversial in Guatemala. The Constitutional 
Court was the target of a lobbying campaign by opponents of the verdict. 
Perhaps the most important campaign was by Guatemala’s powerful 
business federation, known as Cacif for the initials of its Spanish 
name. Representing the country’s deeply conservative oligarchy, Cacif 
urged the court to overturn the verdict.


May 21, 2013
Protesters Hurl Firebombs as Chile Leader Speaks
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
SANTIAGO, Chile — Bands of young people hurling firebombs and stones 
clashed with police outside Chile's congress Tuesday after thousands of 
students and workers staged a protest march before President Sebastian 
Pinera's final state of the nation speech. 
The president was not exposed to the violence around the legislature, which is 
in the port city of Valparaiso. 
Authorities said more than 130 people had been arrested and two police 
motorcycles were set on fire. 
About 10,000 people marched peacefully earlier demanding wide-ranging expansion 
of free education. 
During his speech, Pinera urged legislators not to give into the demands that 
all education be made free, saying the state shouldn't pay for 
those who can afford to pay for school. 


Mayan pyramid bulldozed by Belize construction crew
Officials in Belize say a construction company has destroyed one of the 
country's largest Mayan pyramids.

Head of the Belizean Institute of Archaeology Jaime Awe said 
the Noh Mul temple was levelled by a road-building company seeking 
gravel for road filler.

The Mayan temple dates back to pre-Columbian times and is 
estimated to be 2,300 year old. Only a small core of the pyramid was 
left standing.
Police said they were investigating the incident.

Archaeologists said this was not the first incident of its kind.
"Bulldozing Maya mounds for road fill is an endemic problem 
in Belize," Prof Normand Hammond told the Associated Press news agency. 

Archaeologists said they were alerted to the destruction late last week.
The Maya complex lies on private land but under Belizean law, any pre-Hispanic 
ruins come under government protection.

Dr John Morris of the Belizean Institute of Archaeology said the workers would 
have been aware of what they were doing.

"It is incredible that someone would actually have the gall to destroy this 
building out here," he told local TV channel News 7

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Man In Paris, v3.01

[Richard J. Williams]

> > I was having dinner with a friend from 
> > work last night
> >
Ann:
> Nice little puff piece until the last 
> paragraph... 
>
It's a coping mechanism, obviously. Barry 
doesn't want to talk about what's really
going on over there. If he concentrates
on his writing at the café and doesn't read
the newspaper, he can avoid facing reality.

I'd be willing to wager that Barry keeps his
U.S. Passport. LoL!

"Youth gang riots in the Swedish capital 
Stockholm have entered fifth straight night. 
Hundreds of mostly immigrant teenagers tore 
through the suburbs, smashing windows and 
burning cars in the country's worst outbreak 
of violence in years."

'Fifth night of youth rioting rocks Stockholm'
http://tinyurl.com/nv59zcu

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer

[Share Long]

carde, I'd say that that's one way to frame it.  Maharishi talks about heart 
and mind being fully developed but not connected to each other.  I think he 
also talks about dharma on different levels.  What also comes to mind are the 
research findings about TMers and Kohlberg's Moral Reasoning scale.  





 From: card 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 4:49 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, Ph.D.,  
Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer
 


  
FWIW, wasn't it mainly morality that almost prevented 
Krishna from fulfilling his duty as a kshatriya?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
> (snip)
> > Do you have any problem with folks getting the badges taken
> > away if they attend other spiritual lectures?
> 
> Let me put it this way: I don't have a problem with the TMO
> establishing whatever rules it thinks are necessary to ensure
> maximum effectiveness of the dome program and implementing
> those rules with good judgment and fairness.
> 
> But that's in principle. I don't know whether its rules *do*
> ensure maximum effectiveness; nor is it clear to me, from
> what I've heard here (although I have no way of verifying it),
> that the rules are implemented wisely and fairly.
> 
> However, it's been my impression that badges aren't taken
> away simply for attending a spiritual lecture; I had thought
> one had to be actively helping the teacher (e.g., making
> arrangements for the lecture). And I had also thought this
> applied only to governors, not the rank and file. Just
> attending a lecture seems like overkill, as well as being
> impossible to enforce consistently.
> 
> But I don't live in Fairfield, so I have no firsthand
> knowledge of any of this.
> 
> (snip)
> > Do you think Hagelin's morality is a bad reflection on the
> > efficacy of the TM technique to evolve a personality into a
> > more moral being ?  I think you'd have an "apology" to explain
> > that, but I don't know, so I ask if you've put it into text
> > yet.
> > 
> > For discussion purposes, let's just talk about anyone who is 
> > a "serial marriage rapist" instead of Hagelin, cuz I only know
> > gossip about him, so just answer if you think TM affects
> > morality such that a person of that ilk would be improved in,
> > say, less than ten years of such therapy.
> 
> I'm afraid I'm gonna have to give you another equivocal 
> response here.
> 
> I haven't seen much evidence that practice of TM affects
> morality positively (at least morality per my standards).
> 
> On the other hand, I've become increasingly uncertain about
> the nature of the relationship between expansion of
> consciousness in the direction of enlightenment (via any
> technique) and morality. I'm not sure these days whether
> there's *any* relationship at all; and if there is, I sure
> wouldn't want to have to define it so as to make it possible
> reliably to discern someone's development of consciousness
> (or the effectiveness of their practice) based on the
> morality (whose?) of their behavior.
> 
> One thing I *am* sure of: It's completely unacceptable to
> excuse or try to justify bad behavior on the basis of one's
> estimation of a person's development of consciousness. The
> enlightened guy doesn't get a pass on making a pass.
> 
> Best I can do, Edg. I guess that's postmodern spirituality
> for you. ;-) You're welcome to probe further if you'd like
> me to elaborate on my ambivalence.
>


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Gluten free diet and siddhis!

[Share Long]

That's great carde, what other benefits have you noticed?  noozguru, you've 
probably said before, but I'll ask anyway:  what do you think of the whole 
gluten free trend?  thanks





 From: card 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 1:11 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Gluten free diet and siddhis!
 


  

Highly recommend most of us to try gluten free diet
at least for a couple of days! (No wheat, rye or, 
Lawd have mercy, barley!?)

It's way weird but after I've been on that diet
for a couple of weeks now, also the "other" saMyama-s
(not just YF) seem to have some effect, or stuff!

Well, mainly that's prolly due to my being able
to concentrate ("do" dhaaraNaa*) better, because
the constant irritation of my lungs has diminished,
I'd say at least by 90 percent!

*saMyamaH = dhaaraNaa "+" dhyaanam "+" samaadhiH

(trayam [(those) three] ekatra: saMyamaH)


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Free Man In Paris, v3.01

[Share Long]

turq, I often encounter devoted and long term TMers who even currently enjoy 
spending time with their children and grandchildren.  As regards living for 
enlightenment, many of the sidhas I know are living for the sake of living 
itself, the richness of it, just riding those waves of life.  Yes, they engage 
in a particular activity to develop themselves more, but isn't that part of 
being human?  For example, don't you yourself engage in activities to develop 
as a writer?  Anyway, you sound angry in your last paragraph.  Were you?  If 
yes, why?        





 From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 4:59 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Free Man In Paris, v3.01
 


  
I was having dinner with a friend from work last night in a small
restaurant on the Ile St. Louis, and it turned into an interesting
opportunity to teach, and to learn. My friend is someone I work with --
another American ex-pat, a former jazz pianist turned tech writer,
originally from San Francisco but living and working here in Europe for
the last dozen years, so we have a lot in common and lots to talk about.
But we wound up talking about none of those things because two people
came in and sat at the small table next to us.

They were an older woman (but younger than either of us) and a young
girl (who we learned was 12). The girl heard us talking in English and
started a conversation, and I'm glad she did. It turns out she is from
Atlanta, brought here by her grandmother for her first trip to Europe.
The grandmother is doing this because the young girl is an aspiring
artist, and she wanted her granddaughter to have the experience of
seeing this place and its art close up, in person.

And they both turned out to be charming. Both were so open to
suggestions as to what to see and where to go while in Paris, and my
friend and I both benefited from hearing them talk about the things
they'd seen so far. It was like being able to experience them for the
first time ourselves -- all the excitement, all the wonder.

It was a charming evening, and I hope that we were able to steer both of
them to some sights and experiences they will enjoy and cherish, and
that will inspire them as they inspired us. My biggest "take away" from
the evening, however, was seeing the joy in the young girl's eyes, and
in her grandmother's at having been able to help put it there, and
looking forward to being able to do the same thing some day for Maya.

Fuck enlightenment, or realization, or any of the things that people
here seem to "live for." If there is anything that'll inspire me to keep
on keepin' on for another few years, it's the idea of being able to show
Paris and other cool places to Maya for the first time...


 

[FairfieldLife] Slandering John Hagelin, Ph.D., was a spiritual discussion

[Richard J. Williams]

> > It takes two to tangle. You seem to imply that he was
> > dragging them to the cave with a stone club in hand.
> > Looks like TM didn't do any good to those women either.
> >
Duveyoung:
> Maybe we can assign 50% of the blame on the married
> women, cuz, hey, free will and all that, but. nope.
>
We? I vote to have you banned from this list because
you're sick in the head for posting this slander. You've
been acting really strange since you posted that
message on L.B.'s blog about killing the little darlings.

Alex or Rick should be enforcing the rules here, this is
just outrageous behavior, Edg.

1) This group has long maintained a thoughtful and
considerate tone. Please refrain from personal attacks,
insults and excessive venting. "Speak the truth that is
sweet" is a worthy aspiration. If angry, take some time
to gain composure before writing or pushing the send
button.

FairfieldLife Guidelines


> He took advantage. He leveraged. He must be
> held to the same standard we held Maharishi
> about his sexcapades.
>
> Hagelin never not once ever never once ever said:
>
> "Hey, babe, nice just meeting you, a minion, and
> me, a royal scion, and I know you're married, and
> it's a sin to fuck me, but, hey, let's just put
> all that aside and not dwell on the YEARS AND
> YEARS OF DAMAGE it would do to your husband and
> your kids if they find out."
>
> Hagelin never asked like that, right, but THAT'S
> EXACTLY WHAT HE EXPECTED FROM THEM, cuz,
> HE KNEW  WHAT HE WAS DOING. And he knew he
> was ABSOLUTELY HARMING these women -- "harming"
>  means "alluring  women to change their lives so
> dramatically and  so covertly that it was certain that when
>  the  affairs were revealed, all the lying and disloyalty
> would not be easily dealt with -- without YEARS
> of professional help for all concerned."
>
> That is fucking harmful.
>
> At least Dr. Bloomfield drugged his women and didn't
> try to brainwash them into breaking the trust
> enjoyed with virtually everyone in their social
> circle.
>
> Yeah, sure, it MIGHT evolve some folks who would
> rise to the challenges of facing ones personal
> integrity being shitcanned after one has torn ones
> life up like a bad parking ticket, yep, could be,
> but on average, every woman who ever fucked Hagelin
> had to face themselves in perhaps the harshest
> light they've ever had shone upon them. And it
> wouldn't be pretty what they saw in the mirror.
>
> Each woman, on her death bed, gets to say: "I
> fucked Hagelin and ruined my marriage and my kids
> hate me to this day for what I did to their father
> when I could have just gone to a marriage counselor
> or something, or I could have at least faced their
> father forthrightly about the marital dissonance
> and just said, 'I'm ending it, but at least I'm
>being honest and not sneaking behind your back and
> cuckolding you and doing all the things that
> incur rage in others who are blinded by their trust
> and loyalty towards the cheating partner and who
> will have no clue until it's revealed to them as if
> a bomb going off.'"
>
> Who wants to say that? Hagelin made every woman
> NOT CONSIDER THAT. He gave them, what?, promises
> of, what? Don't even try to tell me all the women
> were simply randy and Hagelin was a hunk. Women
> don't go for that. They might be horny, but it is
> only cuz they want the whole man's wherewithal --
> not just his dick.
>
> He leveraged by promising who knows what. That is
> not saintly. That is not honest. That is fucking
> evil. And TM didn't do a THING TO CHANGE IT.
>
> Edg

[FairfieldLife] The Private Sex Life of John Hagelin, Ph.D

[Richard J. Williams]

mjackson:
> I have heard from time to time about Hagelin's 
> womanizing but nothing very specific - how do 
> you know all this stuff or has it just been 
> kind of circulating around and not specific?
>
Why do you want to know about John's private sex life?

> He took advantage. He leveraged.  He must be 
> held to the same standard we held Maharishi 
> about his sexcapades.
> 
> Hagelin never not once ever never once ever said: 
> 
> "Hey, babe, nice just meeting you, a minion, and 
> me, a royal scion, and I know you're married, and 
> it's a sin to fuck me, but, hey, let's just put 
> all that aside and not dwell on the YEARS AND 
> YEARS OF DAMAGE it would do to your husband and 
> your kids if they find out." 
> 
> Hagelin never asked like that, right, but THAT'S 
> EXACTLY WHAT HE EXPECTED FROM THEM, cuz, HE KNEW 
> WHAT HE WAS DOING.  And he knew he was ABSOLUTELY 
> HARMING these women -- "harming" means "alluring 
> women to change their lives so dramatically and 
> so covertly that it was certain that when the 
> affairs were revealed, all the lying and disloyalty 
> would not be easily dealt with -- without YEARS 
> of professional help for all concerned." 
> 
> That is fucking harmful. 
> 
> At least Dr. Bloomfield drugged his women and didn't
> try to brainwash them into breaking the trust 
> enjoyed with virtually everyone in their social 
> circle. 
> 
> Yeah, sure, it MIGHT evolve some folks who would 
> rise to the challenges of facing ones personal 
> integrity being shitcanned after one has torn ones 
> life up like a bad parking ticket, yep, could be, 
> but on average, every woman who ever fucked Hagelin 
> had to face themselves in perhaps the harshest 
> light they've ever had shone upon them.  And it 
> wouldn't be pretty what they saw in the mirror.
> 
> Each woman, on her death bed, gets to say:  "I 
> fucked Hagelin and ruined my marriage and my kids 
> hate me to this day for what I did to their father 
> when I could have just gone to a marriage counselor 
> or something, or I could have at least faced their 
> father forthrightly about the marital dissonance 
> and just said, 'I'm ending it, but at least I'm 
>being honest and not sneaking behind your back and 
> cuckolding you and doing all the things that 
> incur rage in others who are blinded by their trust 
> and loyalty towards the cheating partner and who 
> will have no clue until it's revealed to them as if
>  a bomb going off.'"
> 
> Who wants to say that?  Hagelin made every woman 
> NOT CONSIDER THAT.  He gave them, what?, promises 
> of, what?  Don't even try to tell me all the women 
> were simply randy and Hagelin was a hunk.  Women 
> don't go for that.  They might be horny, but it is 
> only cuz they want the whole man's wherewithal --  
> not just his dick. 
> 
> He leveraged by promising who knows what.  That is 
> not saintly.  That is not honest.  That is fucking 
> evil.  And TM didn't do a THING TO CHANGE IT.
> 
> Edg
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Man In Paris, v3.01

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> I was having dinner with a friend from work last night in a small
> restaurant on the Ile St. Louis, and it turned into an interesting
> opportunity to teach, and to learn. My friend is someone I work with --
> another American ex-pat, a former jazz pianist turned tech writer,
> originally from San Francisco but living and working here in Europe for
> the last dozen years, so we have a lot in common and lots to talk about.
> But we wound up talking about none of those things because two people
> came in and sat at the small table next to us.
> 
> They were an older woman (but younger than either of us) and a young
> girl (who we learned was 12). The girl heard us talking in English and
> started a conversation, and I'm glad she did. It turns out she is from
> Atlanta, brought here by her grandmother for her first trip to Europe.
> The grandmother is doing this because the young girl is an aspiring
> artist, and she wanted her granddaughter to have the experience of
> seeing this place and its art close up, in person.
> 
> And they both turned out to be charming. Both were so open to
> suggestions as to what to see and where to go while in Paris, and my
> friend and I both benefited from hearing them talk about the things
> they'd seen so far. It was like being able to experience them for the
> first time ourselves -- all the excitement, all the wonder.
> 
> It was a charming evening, and I hope that we were able to steer both of
> them to some sights and experiences they will enjoy and cherish, and
> that will inspire them as they inspired us. My biggest "take away" from
> the evening, however, was seeing the joy in the young girl's eyes, and
> in her grandmother's at having been able to help put it there, and
> looking forward to being able to do the same thing some day for Maya.
> 
> Fuck enlightenment, or realization, or any of the things that people
> here seem to "live for." If there is anything that'll inspire me to keep
> on keepin' on for another few years, it's the idea of being able to show
> Paris and other cool places to Maya for the first time...
>

A sweet story with a bitter ending smacks of sour grapes.

[FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer

[Duveyoung]

I don't even know my next thought, so I can't predict what would actually 
happen in the elevator, but at this precise moment, in my mind's imaginarium, 
yup, in an elevator, I'd brace the fuckwad and finally get "a reaction."  I bet 
I could get him  to throw the first punch just by mentioning a few names of 
those whose lives he changed forever.  And if he throws the first punch, then 
hoo boy wouldn't I just toggle to full combat  There'd be teeth on the 
floor.  

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Aww, Edg, how can you fault Johnnie H.? He learnt his ways and developed his 
> proclivities at the feet of a lyin', cheatin', stealin' womanizin' SOB, the 
> great Marshy himself. 
> 
> And are you saying that, were you to find yourself in an elevator with 
> Johnnie, you would introduce him to a new state of consciousness?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Duveyoung 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 9:21 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John 
> Hagelin, Ph.D.,  Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer
>  
> 
> 
>   
> I clicked on the video at a random point and there was Hagelin saying 
> 
> "In the yoga sutras of Patangali, which is the classic text of yoga, there 
> are techniques to transcend -- transcending meditations for example -- which 
> just take the mind like a rock to sink deeply into the transcendental source 
> of thought."
> 
> To which I say, "Obviously John doesn't have a definition of 'mind' that 
> separates it from 'consciousness,' nor does he see that consciousness is not 
> 'awareness.'"
> 
> John just spews a 1st lecture and condescends about the other panel members 
> being knowers of reality. 
> 
> BAH!
> 
> And note that he doesn't take questions.  Does he ever take questions?  I bet 
> he does but only from very specific groups -- not from the rough shod 
> Fairfielders who have given up TM, for instance.
> 
> And double BAH on John for his vile morality and sexual predator lifestyle -- 
> no wonder he doesn't want questions, cuz someone who's life he's ruined might 
> just be rude enough to confront him about how  valuable his philosophical 
> concepts and his meditation-skill-set and the results of his use of them are 
> if they have not transformed him from evil toad to saint.
> 
> Yeah, I hate the guy and he's not done a thing to me personally...
> 
> He is an incarnation of all the TMO hyprocrisy, all the "philosophy lite 
> fuzzy blubbery talky-ness, and all the Raja superiority.
> 
> I would not advise him to get stuck in an elevator with me. 
> 
> There would be blood, no debate, and it wouldn't take place in the astral.
> 
> Edg
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > New post on Buddha at the Gas Pump 
> > 
> >    
> > 
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> >   175. Panel Discussion â€" 
> > John Hagelin, Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick 
> > Archer
> > 
> > 
> > by   Rick 
> > 
> > PANEL: The Three Simultaneously True Levels of Nondual Reality; Don't 
> > Mistake Understanding for Realization, Don't Mistake Realization for 
> > Liberation. John Hagelin, Ph.D., is a world-renowned quantum physicist, 
> > educator, public policy expert, and leading proponent of peace. Dr. Hagelin 
> > received his A.B. summa cum laude from Dartmouth College and his M.A. and 
> > Ph.D. from Harvard University, […]
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[FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer

[Duveyoung]

I "know" only from gossip, but the gossip was a constant patter of "tidbits."  
I saw him at dinner ONCE with a married lady, but that could have been 
innocent...yeah, right, sure..  Small town with only about three 
restaurants to "get fancy dancy" and of course he was seen around town a lot.  
I, with four kids at MSAE had all kinds of pot lucks etc. to hob nob enough to 
catch the gossip.  Of course, EVEN ONCE, would be enough for my "Lutheranism 
patterns amplified by my TM shame-on-you patterns" to glom onto and bookmark 
the anecdotes. Same deal with Bevan, and I personally saw Larry Domesh 
indulging in lust sitting a mere 20 feet from Maharishi as he lectured to a 
private group!  Yup, sex is a powerful mind twister, and, hey, the movement 
never gave us help-one to meet those challenges, so it's not like we can throw 
the book at these guys for moral-criminality, but yeah, I do.

Note:  The Karina Hotel fire was caused by a guy who started his girl friend's 
room on fire due to her "cheating" on him.  

Careful out there on the long rounding courses, kiddies, people be destressing!

Edg



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> I have heard from time to time about Hagelin's womanizing but nothing very 
> specific - how do you know all this stuff or has it just been kind of 
> circulating around and not specific?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Duveyoung 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:47 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, 
> Ph.D.,  Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer
>  
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jason"  wrote:
> >
> > It takes two to tangle. You seem to imply that he was 
> > dragging them to the cave with a stone club in hand.
> > Looks like TM didn't do any good to those women either.
> > 
> 
> Maybe we can assign 50% of the blame on the married women, cuz, hey, free 
> will and all that, but. nope.
> 
> The equation changes when one of the partners has so much to offer to the 
> (spiritually, financially, socially) impoverished other.
> 
> He took advantage.  He leveraged.  He must be held to the same standard we 
> held Maharishi about his sexcapades.
> 
> Hagelin never not once ever never once ever said: 
> 
> "Hey, babe, nice just meeting you, a minion, and me, a royal scion, and I 
> know you're married, and it's a sin to fuck me, but, hey, let's just put all 
> that aside and not dwell on the YEARS AND YEARS OF DAMAGE it would do to your 
> husband and your kids if they find out." 
> 
> Hagelin never asked like that, right, but THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE EXPECTED 
> FROM THEM, cuz, HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING.  And he knew he was ABSOLUTELY 
> HARMING these women -- "harming" means "alluring women to change their lives 
> so dramatically and so covertly that it was certain that when the affairs 
> were revealed, all the lying and disloyalty would not be easily dealt with -- 
> without YEARS of professional help for all concerned." 
> 
> That is fucking harmful. 
> 
> At least Dr. Bloomfield drugged his women and didn't try to brainwash them 
> into breaking the trust enjoyed with virtually everyone in their social 
> circle. 
> 
> Yeah, sure, it MIGHT evolve some folks who would rise to the challenges of 
> facing ones personal integrity being shitcanned after one has torn ones life 
> up like a bad parking ticket, yep, could be, but on average, every woman who 
> ever fucked Hagelin had to face themselves in perhaps the harshest light 
> they've ever had shone upon them.  And it wouldn't be pretty what they saw in 
> the mirror.
> 
> Each woman, on her death bed, gets to say:  "I fucked Hagelin and ruined my 
> marriage and my kids hate me to this day for what I did to their father when 
> I could have just gone to a marriage counselor or something, or I could have 
> at least faced their father forthrightly about the marital dissonance and 
> just said, 'I'm ending it, but at least I'm being honest and not sneaking 
> behind your back and cuckolding you and doing all the things that incur rage 
> in others who are blinded by their trust and loyalty towards the cheating 
> partner and who will have no clue until it's revealed to them as if a bomb 
> going off.'"
> 
> Who wants to say that?  Hagelin made every woman NOT CONSIDER THAT.  He gave 
> them, what?, promises of, what?  Don't even try to tell me all the women were 
> simply randy and Hagelin was a hunk.  Women don't go for that.  They might be 
> horny, but it is only cuz they want the whole man's wherewithal --  not just 
> his dick. 
> 
> He leveraged by promising who knows what.  That is not saintly.  That is not 
> honest.  That is fucking evil.  And TM didn't do a THING TO CHANGE IT.
> 
> Edg
>

[FairfieldLife] Transcendental Meditation benefits for Women Professionals

[merlin]

Transcendental Meditation 

benefits for Women Professionals 
__.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If_5Xhqstto

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Man In Paris, v3.01

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> I was having dinner with a friend from work last night in a small
> restaurant on the Ile St. Louis, and it turned into an interesting
> opportunity to teach, and to learn. My friend is someone I work with --
> another American ex-pat, a former jazz pianist turned tech writer,
> originally from San Francisco but living and working here in Europe for
> the last dozen years, so we have a lot in common and lots to talk about.
> But we wound up talking about none of those things because two people
> came in and sat at the small table next to us.
> 
> They were an older woman (but younger than either of us) and a young
> girl (who we learned was 12). The girl heard us talking in English and
> started a conversation, and I'm glad she did. It turns out she is from
> Atlanta, brought here by her grandmother for her first trip to Europe.
> The grandmother is doing this because the young girl is an aspiring
> artist, and she wanted her granddaughter to have the experience of
> seeing this place and its art close up, in person.
> 
> And they both turned out to be charming. Both were so open to
> suggestions as to what to see and where to go while in Paris, and my
> friend and I both benefited from hearing them talk about the things
> they'd seen so far. It was like being able to experience them for the
> first time ourselves -- all the excitement, all the wonder.
> 
> It was a charming evening, and I hope that we were able to steer both of
> them to some sights and experiences they will enjoy and cherish, and
> that will inspire them as they inspired us. My biggest "take away" from
> the evening, however, was seeing the joy in the young girl's eyes, and
> in her grandmother's at having been able to help put it there, and
> looking forward to being able to do the same thing some day for Maya.
> 
> Fuck enlightenment, or realization, or any of the things that people
> here seem to "live for." If there is anything that'll inspire me to keep
> on keepin' on for another few years, it's the idea of being able to show
> Paris and other cool places to Maya for the first time...

Nice little puff piece until the last paragraph. What is it about you that 
compels you to always kick out at the last minute? It is as if you are obsessed 
with what you imagine others believe and you just HAVE to show them you 
disagree. Most of what you project on others here is distorted or just 
downright wrong and so you lash out with some weird assertion like the one 
above just to somehow prove you are this renegade independent thinker when all 
along you have created these self delusions of weak or stupid people who 
populate the world around you. Give it up, let it go, move along and drop your 
compulsion to put others down at every turn. There are two people inside you 
Barry and the one who wrote the last paragraph (or at least the first sentence 
of the last paragraph) is seriously out to lunch.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer

[Michael Jackson]

I have heard from time to time about Hagelin's womanizing but nothing very 
specific - how do you know all this stuff or has it just been kind of 
circulating around and not specific?





 From: Duveyoung 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:47 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, Ph.D.,  
Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jason"  wrote:
>
> It takes two to tangle. You seem to imply that he was 
> dragging them to the cave with a stone club in hand.
> Looks like TM didn't do any good to those women either.
> 

Maybe we can assign 50% of the blame on the married women, cuz, hey, free will 
and all that, but. nope.

The equation changes when one of the partners has so much to offer to the 
(spiritually, financially, socially) impoverished other.

He took advantage.  He leveraged.  He must be held to the same standard we held 
Maharishi about his sexcapades.

Hagelin never not once ever never once ever said: 

"Hey, babe, nice just meeting you, a minion, and me, a royal scion, and I know 
you're married, and it's a sin to fuck me, but, hey, let's just put all that 
aside and not dwell on the YEARS AND YEARS OF DAMAGE it would do to your 
husband and your kids if they find out." 

Hagelin never asked like that, right, but THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE EXPECTED FROM 
THEM, cuz, HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING.  And he knew he was ABSOLUTELY HARMING 
these women -- "harming" means "alluring women to change their lives so 
dramatically and so covertly that it was certain that when the affairs were 
revealed, all the lying and disloyalty would not be easily dealt with -- 
without YEARS of professional help for all concerned." 

That is fucking harmful. 

At least Dr. Bloomfield drugged his women and didn't try to brainwash them into 
breaking the trust enjoyed with virtually everyone in their social circle. 

Yeah, sure, it MIGHT evolve some folks who would rise to the challenges of 
facing ones personal integrity being shitcanned after one has torn ones life up 
like a bad parking ticket, yep, could be, but on average, every woman who ever 
fucked Hagelin had to face themselves in perhaps the harshest light they've 
ever had shone upon them.  And it wouldn't be pretty what they saw in the 
mirror.

Each woman, on her death bed, gets to say:  "I fucked Hagelin and ruined my 
marriage and my kids hate me to this day for what I did to their father when I 
could have just gone to a marriage counselor or something, or I could have at 
least faced their father forthrightly about the marital dissonance and just 
said, 'I'm ending it, but at least I'm being honest and not sneaking behind 
your back and cuckolding you and doing all the things that incur rage in others 
who are blinded by their trust and loyalty towards the cheating partner and who 
will have no clue until it's revealed to them as if a bomb going off.'"

Who wants to say that?  Hagelin made every woman NOT CONSIDER THAT.  He gave 
them, what?, promises of, what?  Don't even try to tell me all the women were 
simply randy and Hagelin was a hunk.  Women don't go for that.  They might be 
horny, but it is only cuz they want the whole man's wherewithal --  not just 
his dick. 

He leveraged by promising who knows what.  That is not saintly.  That is not 
honest.  That is fucking evil.  And TM didn't do a THING TO CHANGE IT.

Edg 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Petition to offer meditation in schools

[Michael Jackson]

I've talked to him - he's a decent guy doing the best he knows how. And his 
approach has some merit in fact.





 From: Alex Stanley 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 4:16 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Petition to offer meditation in schools
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> U
> 
> This appears to be a ploy to get his book better known.
> 
> Mark Landau is the author of the book he is advocating everyone read
> to learn how to do the meditation he advocates the US encourage all
> students to learn.

>From used sandal salesman to new-age meditation huckster... that's quite a 
>career arc.


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Krishna like Christian evangelizing

[Michael Jackson]

Sal, did you ever know Campbell in your past TM days?




 From: sparaig 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:35 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Krishna like Christian evangelizing
 


  
I asked Anthony Campbell, author of _The Seven Stages of Consciousness_, why he 
became a Buddhist and no longer does TM. He replied because he had meditated 
the requisite number of years (I assume 7) and TM didn't work as advertised (he 
wasn't enlightened) so he moved on.

I expect the same thing is at work here: 

MMY said that floating would happen "real soon now" and an awful lot of people 
who learned the TM-Sidhis eventually decided "it ain't going to happen" and 
moved on to practices that they felt were giving them more profound and 
authentic experiences than "hopping like a frog."

I assume that he did things the way he did because he believed that if enough 
people learned the TM-Sidhis fast enough, the world's consciousness WOULD 
change to support floating, and thus he would have fulfilled his own prophecy 
by being excessively enthusiastic about how soon people would be floating (I 
still believe that he believed in floating as a real aspect of the Yogic Flying 
technique).

Once the disillusionment set in, the people who promised grander things had a 
ready-made audience for them since most TM-Sidhas are self-selected for wanting 
powers and other "specialness," regardless of what hand-written letters they 
signed to the contrary.

And why shouldn't they become disillusioned? They were told they were "special" 
in every way, simply by learning the TM-Sidhis practices and there they were, 
decades later, and still no floating.

MMY had attempted to con world consciousness itself into growing faster than it 
could, and the people he used for that con moved on.

Even within the Extended Maharishi Effect perspective, there's still hope. 
THere's plenty of school administrators in Latin America what want a stress 
management technique for their students, and while the ultra-cynical former 
True Believers may believe that TM doesn't really work at all, there's plenty 
of large-scale demonstrations that it does work wonders in very stress-laden 
schools, and that is a more viable way of getting huge numbers of people to 
learn and practice together, I think.

and... if the kids in Mexico ever start floating, that would be a game-changer 
all around.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> >
> > in Fairfield, It's like there has been a cultural protection or
> predisposition in meditators generally against these other more
> mood-making or faith-based kinds of groups encroaching very far.  It's
> like the TM'ers are more scientific and immune from too much iron age
> belief structures.  You know, Maharishi did study a degree in physics. 
> Modern science and the scientific process was after all part of his
> spiritual revival.  Very 21st Century.
> Dear Buck, I admire your enthusiasm, your mission, your seemingly
> inexhaustible zeal. But I don't believe you for one nanosecond.
> Fairfield was a typical midwest town back in the 60's and early 70's: a
> town square, local horse show at the ag grounds, 4H, local teens
> cruising the town square on Friday and Saturday nights round and round.
> Then came MIU and the townspeople, for the most part, accepted this new
> strange breed of student. They weren't like Parson's students with their
> fraternities and homecoming queens but these new immigrants were
> peaceful enough. Now, it is like someone turned on some sort of homing
> radar device that has put out the call to every breed of saint, healer,
> guru, channel known to mankind and they have descended, in droves, to
> Fairfield Iowa. Why would this be? Because "there has been a cultural
> protection or predisposition in meditators generally against these other
> more mood-making or faith-based kinds of groups encroaching very far."?
> What the hell happened since I was there in 1983? All hell has broken
> loose, that's what.
> > -Buck in the Dome
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Kind of surprising that the Krishna's have not evangelized Fairfield
> before now for as hard as they have worked the airports and
> street-corners once upon a time.  The Christians have always been hoping
> to try.  The Buddhists however are almost non-existent in Fairfield.
> > > -Buck in the Dome
> > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Wait, won't you git in trouble with the Golden Dome Police if
> you go to a hare krishna deal?
> > > > >
> > > > > I can understand why the TMO would object to Dome-goers
> attending Hare Krishna stuff, they don't want the TMO's life abnegating
> hindoo dogma to be replaced by the hary krshna's brand of life
> abnegating hindoo dogma.
> > > > >
> > > >
> 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer

[Michael Jackson]

Aww, Edg, how can you fault Johnnie H.? He learnt his ways and developed his 
proclivities at the feet of a lyin', cheatin', stealin' womanizin' SOB, the 
great Marshy himself. 

And are you saying that, were you to find yourself in an elevator with Johnnie, 
you would introduce him to a new state of consciousness?





 From: Duveyoung 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 9:21 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, Ph.D.,  
Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer
 


  
I clicked on the video at a random point and there was Hagelin saying 

"In the yoga sutras of Patangali, which is the classic text of yoga, there are 
techniques to transcend -- transcending meditations for example -- which just 
take the mind like a rock to sink deeply into the transcendental source of 
thought."

To which I say, "Obviously John doesn't have a definition of 'mind' that 
separates it from 'consciousness,' nor does he see that consciousness is not 
'awareness.'"

John just spews a 1st lecture and condescends about the other panel members 
being knowers of reality. 

BAH!

And note that he doesn't take questions.  Does he ever take questions?  I bet 
he does but only from very specific groups -- not from the rough shod 
Fairfielders who have given up TM, for instance.

And double BAH on John for his vile morality and sexual predator lifestyle -- 
no wonder he doesn't want questions, cuz someone who's life he's ruined might 
just be rude enough to confront him about how  valuable his philosophical 
concepts and his meditation-skill-set and the results of his use of them are if 
they have not transformed him from evil toad to saint.

Yeah, I hate the guy and he's not done a thing to me personally...

He is an incarnation of all the TMO hyprocrisy, all the "philosophy lite fuzzy 
blubbery talky-ness, and all the Raja superiority.

I would not advise him to get stuck in an elevator with me. 

There would be blood, no debate, and it wouldn't take place in the astral.

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> New post on Buddha at the Gas Pump 
> 
>    
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
>   175. Panel Discussion â€" John 
> Hagelin, Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer
> 
> 
> by   Rick 
> 
> PANEL: The Three Simultaneously True Levels of Nondual Reality; Don't Mistake 
> Understanding for Realization, Don't Mistake Realization for Liberation. John 
> Hagelin, Ph.D., is a world-renowned quantum physicist, educator, public 
> policy expert, and leading proponent of peace. Dr. Hagelin received his A.B. 
> summa cum laude from Dartmouth College and his M.A. and Ph.D. from Harvard 
> University, […]
> 
>   Read more of this post
> 
>   Rick | May 20, 2013 at 7:06 am | Categories:  
>  Guests | URL:  
>  http://wp.me/p1q1S0-IB 
> 
> 
>   Comment
> 
>  See all comments
> 
> 
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> Trouble clicking? Copy and paste this URL into your browser: 
>   
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Super Storms have arrived

[Michael Jackson]

I would come back to the Domes for 100 million dollars, if I didn't have to 
stay there more than 5 minutes. It is interesting to read the comments on MUM 
secrets of students who say TMSP does nothing for them.





 From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 11:40 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Super Storms have arrived
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  
> > wrote:
> (snip)
> > > Wow, $100,000,000 goes into Invincible America and you *still*
> > > get tornadoes?
> > > 
> > > Are the Settle's feeling sick or what!
> > 
> > Instead it was pissed away to support and perpetuate the 
> > fantasies of a few people that bouncing around on their 
> > butts actually accomplishes something. 
> > 
> > Just FYI, $100,000,000 is enough to feed 40 million people
> > for a year.
> 
> Right, at $2.50 per person per year.

The math I did was based on a statement on the Web
that $2.5 million would feed a million people for
a year. $2.50 a person DOES seem rather low to pull
that off, now that you've mentioned it. 

> > That would have included some of the 10.5 
> > million children on the planet who died of starvation 
> > during the seven years they threw money at "Invincible 
> > America."
> > 
> > I'd suggest that the Settles should feel a little sicker 
> > about that than a few tornadoes.
> 
> It's hard to imagine the twistedness of the mind that
> could write the above.

I stand by my statement. The money *could* have been 
spent somewhere it might have done some real good,
like feeding the hungry. I guess I'm irate because
until the figure was mentioned by Bevan I had no 
idea how *much* money he'd flushed down the toilet.

Only a fanatic could justify spending that kind of 
money on nonsense like "Yogic Flying." I have seen 
NO evidence that it's anything *more* than people 
bouncing around on their butts. 

All of this money was spent to honor the memory and
the fantasies of a dead guy who doesn't deserve the
honor, and to perpetuate the fantasies of a bunch of
people who think they're actually being "spiritual"
and "saving the world" by practicing his made-up
nonsense. 

Some here may pussyfoot around the subject out of 
"loyalty" to Maharishi and an unwillingness to admit
that there is no proof that ANY of his ideas about
the so-called "ME" were true. But I won't. 

It's a waste of time, and an *astounding* waste of
money. While I may admire Mr. Settle's desire to help
people, I cannot pretend that he actually did so by 
encouraging him or anyone else to believe in the 
fantasies of one old con man. 

Just because you believe this horseshit does not mean
that I do, or should. I think that "Yogic Flying" does
absolutely nothing but waste the time of the people
doing it while puffing up their egos. Do not expect
me to praise someone who spent this much money trying
to perpetuate the practice. To do so is to become as
delusional as Buck and his "Come back to the domes"
crap. 

I wouldn't "Come back to the domes" if someone paid
ME 100 million dollars. To do so would be to waste
the most precious resource I have -- time. 



 

[FairfieldLife] For Rick

[Michael Jackson]

That is why they banned you from the Dome, for having FFL?

And since you have been doing Amma stuff, what do you think of Ravi's take on 
her?





 From: Rick Archer 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:07 PM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, 
Ph.D.,  Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer
 


  
 
From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Duveyoung
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 1:39 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, Ph.D., 
Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer
 
  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > Maharishi never authenticated other techniques as "guaranteed to be worthy" 
> > -- TM being the only technique with 5,000 years backing it up; whereas the 
> > others might be 
> > impure-so-be-careful-of-these-seemingly-maybe-sorta-okay-other-techniques, 
> > and that one had to be careful to have this long tradition or the effort to 
> > spread the technique would not be supported by nature -- yada yada.
> > 
> > We were COMMANDED by Jerry Jarvis to not attend lectures of other 
> > teachings, because, "The lecturer will warmly greet the TM initiator's 
> > being in the audience and thus the audience will ask itself 'Why
 is that TM teacher there except for him having doubts about TM?'" 
> > 
> > Are you ignoring that dome badges are lost by anyone BUT Hegelin who would 
> > be on one of Rick's panels? L.B. got banned, right? 
> > 
> > Hegelin -- why was he there except that the movement is reaching out in 
> > desperation?
> 
> Edg, I haven't watched the video, so I really can't comment.
> And as you know, I speak as just a meditator, not an
> initiator. I simply wanted to point out that we were never
> taught (I was never taught) that TM had a special patent on
> transcending *per se* (TM was said to have other competitive advantages, of 
> course). So please don't read into what I
> said more than was there, OK?

Okay.

Do you have any problem with folks getting the badges taken away if they attend 
other spiritual lectures?  Not sure, but I bet the course office
 would take a dome badge if anyone but Hagelin choose to be interviewed by 
Rick.  Rick.anyone lost a dome badge cuz of these interviews?  
I believe one did. And several have declined for fear that they would. The one 
who did may not have lost his badge – not sure – but he had an administrative 
position with the university which he lost shortly after my interview with him, 
probably because of it. I’m sure I’d get the boot for doing this show, if I 
hadn’t already gotten the boot for FFL and Amma activities.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Man In Paris, v3.01

[doctordumbass]

See, Barry, before the mind has been conditioned to uphold deep silence at all 
times (no matter what the rest of the mind is doing, even sleeping), the only 
choices are to follow the small self, the obvious identity, or, keep reaching, 
surrendering and questioning. Doing good works. This, then, is at least a 
compensation for the immature state of the mind. Before it has gained its 
freedom in eternal silence, better to concentrate on doing good. Good karma, 
and a chance for liberation. 

Otherwise, by continuing to give in to that which is most unnatural, the small 
self, rather than using the personality as a convenience and wonderful tool to 
make every dream in life come true, it becomes a shield, an inhibitor, 
increasing duality, instead of the possibility of oneness. 

But if we culture humility, openness, friendliness, and curiosity about 
ourselves, inside and out, the duality has a chance of being eliminated, 
allowing us to join the rest of the universe, that simply waits for us to see 
it.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> I always enjoy seeing you post normal posts, trying to express your humanity. 
> The only thing that was a little weird was your fantasy at the end, about 
> showing your roomies' daughter, Paris, as if you are related to her. Just 
> seemed a bit like the dream of a lonely old guy. 
> 
> Otherwise, yes, it actually warms the heart to assist strangers. For some 
> reason I always look like I know where I am, and am often asked for 
> directions, in whatever city I am in. I have had some great conversations 
> that way!
>  
> If you were a nicer person overall, you wouldn't have to make a big show of 
> it, by describing every time that you are nice to someone. It really should 
> be the reverse, that those times you are feeling hostile and insecure, be in 
> the minority, instead of running your life.
> 
> Glad to see you are working on it, though.:-)
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > I was having dinner with a friend from work last night in a small
> > restaurant on the Ile St. Louis, and it turned into an interesting
> > opportunity to teach, and to learn. My friend is someone I work with --
> > another American ex-pat, a former jazz pianist turned tech writer,
> > originally from San Francisco but living and working here in Europe for
> > the last dozen years, so we have a lot in common and lots to talk about.
> > But we wound up talking about none of those things because two people
> > came in and sat at the small table next to us.
> > 
> > They were an older woman (but younger than either of us) and a young
> > girl (who we learned was 12). The girl heard us talking in English and
> > started a conversation, and I'm glad she did. It turns out she is from
> > Atlanta, brought here by her grandmother for her first trip to Europe.
> > The grandmother is doing this because the young girl is an aspiring
> > artist, and she wanted her granddaughter to have the experience of
> > seeing this place and its art close up, in person.
> > 
> > And they both turned out to be charming. Both were so open to
> > suggestions as to what to see and where to go while in Paris, and my
> > friend and I both benefited from hearing them talk about the things
> > they'd seen so far. It was like being able to experience them for the
> > first time ourselves -- all the excitement, all the wonder.
> > 
> > It was a charming evening, and I hope that we were able to steer both of
> > them to some sights and experiences they will enjoy and cherish, and
> > that will inspire them as they inspired us. My biggest "take away" from
> > the evening, however, was seeing the joy in the young girl's eyes, and
> > in her grandmother's at having been able to help put it there, and
> > looking forward to being able to do the same thing some day for Maya.
> > 
> > Fuck enlightenment, or realization, or any of the things that people
> > here seem to "live for." If there is anything that'll inspire me to keep
> > on keepin' on for another few years, it's the idea of being able to show
> > Paris and other cool places to Maya for the first time...
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Man In Paris, v3.01

[doctordumbass]

I always enjoy seeing you post normal posts, trying to express your humanity. 
The only thing that was a little weird was your fantasy at the end, about 
showing your roomies' daughter, Paris, as if you are related to her. Just 
seemed a bit like the dream of a lonely old guy. 

Otherwise, yes, it actually warms the heart to assist strangers. For some 
reason I always look like I know where I am, and am often asked for directions, 
in whatever city I am in. I have had some great conversations that way!
 
If you were a nicer person overall, you wouldn't have to make a big show of it, 
by describing every time that you are nice to someone. It really should be the 
reverse, that those times you are feeling hostile and insecure, be in the 
minority, instead of running your life.

Glad to see you are working on it, though.:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> I was having dinner with a friend from work last night in a small
> restaurant on the Ile St. Louis, and it turned into an interesting
> opportunity to teach, and to learn. My friend is someone I work with --
> another American ex-pat, a former jazz pianist turned tech writer,
> originally from San Francisco but living and working here in Europe for
> the last dozen years, so we have a lot in common and lots to talk about.
> But we wound up talking about none of those things because two people
> came in and sat at the small table next to us.
> 
> They were an older woman (but younger than either of us) and a young
> girl (who we learned was 12). The girl heard us talking in English and
> started a conversation, and I'm glad she did. It turns out she is from
> Atlanta, brought here by her grandmother for her first trip to Europe.
> The grandmother is doing this because the young girl is an aspiring
> artist, and she wanted her granddaughter to have the experience of
> seeing this place and its art close up, in person.
> 
> And they both turned out to be charming. Both were so open to
> suggestions as to what to see and where to go while in Paris, and my
> friend and I both benefited from hearing them talk about the things
> they'd seen so far. It was like being able to experience them for the
> first time ourselves -- all the excitement, all the wonder.
> 
> It was a charming evening, and I hope that we were able to steer both of
> them to some sights and experiences they will enjoy and cherish, and
> that will inspire them as they inspired us. My biggest "take away" from
> the evening, however, was seeing the joy in the young girl's eyes, and
> in her grandmother's at having been able to help put it there, and
> looking forward to being able to do the same thing some day for Maya.
> 
> Fuck enlightenment, or realization, or any of the things that people
> here seem to "live for." If there is anything that'll inspire me to keep
> on keepin' on for another few years, it's the idea of being able to show
> Paris and other cool places to Maya for the first time...
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion: Barry, the living embodiment of the small self

[doctordumbass]

Thank you - I am not a big fan of egomaniacs and hypocrites.:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > The thing is, Barry, is you don't have to like the fact that I am 
> > enlightened (established in silence). It doesn't make a whit of difference 
> > to either of us. You don't have to like the fact that I see you, the really 
> > crappy human being that you are covered with.
> >  
> > I use the word "crappy" to describe you, because the most enjoyment I see 
> > you get out of life is making sure others see the world through 
> > crap-colored glasses, as you do, sometimes tricking them, as you did with 
> > Buck, for example. Buck has an interesting way of expressing himself, but 
> > nothing called for you to set him up with the quote, the way you did, 
> > remember? Except that it fits your agenda – According to Barry, the world 
> > is a crappy place.
> > 
> > This, then, feeds the other side of you, your hideous insecurity. When not 
> > engaged in telling the world how crappy everything is, you are spinning 
> > heroic tales about yourself. In other words, displaying the sheep-like, 
> > predictable behavior, of one enslaved by the small self.  On the one hand, 
> > you are constantly putting and pushing down others, the crappy world, as 
> > you incessantly describe it. On the other, you are constantly elevating 
> > yourself publicly, in your stories, in your context, in every way you can; 
> > the very definition of the small self in action, erecting a phallus to 
> > itself.
> > 
> > This is because you have no non-attachment, TB. You spin your mind with 
> > coffee, dull it with alcohol, distract it with movies, and occasionally 
> > take it for a dance with other things. But the one thing you cannot, for 
> > the life of you, do, is find any silence in there. Sure, like anyone else 
> > in your circumstances, you can sit quietly in a room or garden, mentally 
> > masturbating about the quiet, your fantasies, and how you will describe 
> > them later on. But, again, even the peaceful surroundings bring your mind 
> > no quiet, within itself.
> > 
> > You have wasted your time with your so called spiritual pursuits. None of 
> > them have conditioned your mind, beyond the coarseness it frequently 
> > displays. None of them have conditioned your heart, to love yourself, and 
> > perhaps extend that to others.
> > 
> > So, you remain in crap consciousness, flinging poo, from your hole in the 
> > ground, trying to drag the rest of us down to your level -- perversely 
> > gleeful, when you nearly succeed. I'll just repeat what I said initially; 
> > you don't have to like the fact that I am enlightened. It doesn't make a 
> > whit of difference to either of us. You don't have to like the fact that I 
> > see you, Barry. That doesn't matter either, because this isn't at all about 
> > me.
> >  
> > Congratulations, it is all about you.
> 
> 
> Not even Judy could sum up the pityful life of the Turq in such a precise way 
> as you did here. Well done, and for this there is not much more to add than: 
> BINGO ! :-)
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Important change in the Invincible America Assembly

[Buck]

The TM operational Bevan, Gang of Five, and the Indian Partners, evidently our 
TM organizational running-dogs. There are Rajas and there are Rajas in our TM 
leadership,

>  
> > I [Bevan] also said Raja John Hagelin, Raja Wynne and
> > Maureen, Raja Bob Lopinto, Raja Harris and myself are trying to come up 
> > with a plan for new sources of income that will allow the program to 
> > continue as much as possible, and we are talking to our Indian leaders 
> > about this. 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > Fine, The meditating movement must become one with the meditator 
> > > > community so that they may see it as their own movement.  Such a 
> > > > movement will be invincible.
> > > > -Buck
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Let's avert the danger, shall we Buck, rather than crushing anyone!
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  From: Buck 
> > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:13 AM
> > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important change in the Invincible 
> > > > > America Assembly
> > > > >  
> > > > > 
> > > > > Every meditator must be helped to understand that as long as we rely 
> > > > > on the meditating movement, believe firmly in the inexhaustible 
> > > > > creative power of the meditating community and hence trust and 
> > > > > identify ourselves with them, then we can surmount any difficulty, 
> > > > > and no enemy can crush us while we can crush any enemy. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > "Enemy?"
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I think you've misunderstood the purpose of the "Invincible 
> > > > > > > America" course.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > "Invincibility" means to inspire everyone to want to be a genuine 
> > > > > > > friend, so that one has no enemies.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > L
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Yes, I am addressing my comments here to the post-Maharishi 
> > > > > > leadership of our movement and our meditating community.  This is 
> > > > > > proven advice that I freely bring to their tables.  As Winston 
> > > > > > Churchill once advised his people at the end of his life, "Stick 
> > > > > > with the Americans". 
> > > > > > With Great Respect,
> > > > > > -Buck
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > As we go forward as a meditating movement we must make a 
> > > > > > > > distinction between the anti-meditation enemy and ourselves, 
> > > > > > > > and we must not adopt an antagonistic stands towards our own 
> > > > > > > > comrade meditators and treat them as we would the enemy.  In 
> > > > > > > > speaking up, one must have an ardent desire to protect the 
> > > > > > > > cause of the meditating community and raise the spiritual 
> > > > > > > > consciousness, and there must be no ridiculing or attacking in 
> > > > > > > > one's administrative or leadership approach.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > A proper measure of democracy should be put into effect in 
> > > > > > > > > the meditating movement, chiefly by abolishing the feudal 
> > > > > > > > > practice of bullying and beating we have now and by having 
> > > > > > > > > administrators and meditators share weal and woe.  Once this 
> > > > > > > > > is done, unity will be achieved between administrators and 
> > > > > > > > > meditators and the teaching effectiveness of the meditating 
> > > > > > > > > movement will be greatly increased, and there will be no 
> > > > > > > > > doubt of our ability to sustain the long-going and sustained 
> > > > > > > > > spiritual work of the Unified Field in the world. 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Our meditating movement must of necessity use the 
> > > > > > > > > > democratic method of persuasion and education when working 
> > > > > > > > > > among meditators and the non-meditators and must on no 
> > > > > > > > > > account resort to commandism or coercion.  Our 
> > > > > > > > > > administrators, teachers and meditator comrades must 
> > > > > > > > > > understand that spiritual remoulding involves long-term, 
> > > > > > > > > > patient and painstaking work, and they must not attempt to 
> > > > > > > > > > change people's ideology, by giving a few lectures or by 
> > > > > > > > > > holding a few meetings.  Persuasion, not compulsion, is the 
> > > > > > > > > > only way to convince them.  Compulsion will never result in 
> > > > > > > > > > convincing them. [The old guard's anti-saint policy and 
> > > > > > > > > > administrative guideline held over meditators and 
> > > > > > > > > > teachers?]  To try to convince them by force simply won't 
> > > > > > > > > > work.  This kind of method is permissible in dealing with 
> > > > > > > > > > the enemy, but absolutely impermissible in dealing

[FairfieldLife] Re: Important change in the Invincible America Assembly

[Buck]

The TM operational Bevan, Gang of Five, and the Indian Partners; evidently our 
TM organizational running-dogs. There are Rajas and there are Rajas in our TM 
leadership:
 
> I [Bevan] also said Raja John Hagelin, Raja Wynne and
> Maureen, Raja Bob Lopinto, Raja Harris and myself are trying to come up with 
> a plan for new sources of income that will allow the program to continue as 
> much as possible, and we are talking to our Indian leaders about this. 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > > Fine, The meditating movement must become one with the meditator 
> > > community so that they may see it as their own movement.  Such a movement 
> > > will be invincible.
> > > -Buck
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Let's avert the danger, shall we Buck, rather than crushing anyone!
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  From: Buck 
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:13 AM
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important change in the Invincible America 
> > > > Assembly
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > Every meditator must be helped to understand that as long as we rely on 
> > > > the meditating movement, believe firmly in the inexhaustible creative 
> > > > power of the meditating community and hence trust and identify 
> > > > ourselves with them, then we can surmount any difficulty, and no enemy 
> > > > can crush us while we can crush any enemy. 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > "Enemy?"
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I think you've misunderstood the purpose of the "Invincible 
> > > > > > America" course.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > "Invincibility" means to inspire everyone to want to be a genuine 
> > > > > > friend, so that one has no enemies.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > L
> > > > > 
> > > > > Yes, I am addressing my comments here to the post-Maharishi 
> > > > > leadership of our movement and our meditating community.  This is 
> > > > > proven advice that I freely bring to their tables.  As Winston 
> > > > > Churchill once advised his people at the end of his life, "Stick with 
> > > > > the Americans". 
> > > > > With Great Respect,
> > > > > -Buck
> > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > As we go forward as a meditating movement we must make a 
> > > > > > > distinction between the anti-meditation enemy and ourselves, and 
> > > > > > > we must not adopt an antagonistic stands towards our own comrade 
> > > > > > > meditators and treat them as we would the enemy.  In speaking up, 
> > > > > > > one must have an ardent desire to protect the cause of the 
> > > > > > > meditating community and raise the spiritual consciousness, and 
> > > > > > > there must be no ridiculing or attacking in one's administrative 
> > > > > > > or leadership approach.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > A proper measure of democracy should be put into effect in the 
> > > > > > > > meditating movement, chiefly by abolishing the feudal practice 
> > > > > > > > of bullying and beating we have now and by having 
> > > > > > > > administrators and meditators share weal and woe.  Once this is 
> > > > > > > > done, unity will be achieved between administrators and 
> > > > > > > > meditators and the teaching effectiveness of the meditating 
> > > > > > > > movement will be greatly increased, and there will be no doubt 
> > > > > > > > of our ability to sustain the long-going and sustained 
> > > > > > > > spiritual work of the Unified Field in the world. 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Our meditating movement must of necessity use the democratic 
> > > > > > > > > method of persuasion and education when working among 
> > > > > > > > > meditators and the non-meditators and must on no account 
> > > > > > > > > resort to commandism or coercion.  Our administrators, 
> > > > > > > > > teachers and meditator comrades must understand that 
> > > > > > > > > spiritual remoulding involves long-term, patient and 
> > > > > > > > > painstaking work, and they must not attempt to change 
> > > > > > > > > people's ideology, by giving a few lectures or by holding a 
> > > > > > > > > few meetings.  Persuasion, not compulsion, is the only way to 
> > > > > > > > > convince them.  Compulsion will never result in convincing 
> > > > > > > > > them. [The old guard's anti-saint policy and administrative 
> > > > > > > > > guideline held over meditators and teachers?]  To try to 
> > > > > > > > > convince them by force simply won't work.  This kind of 
> > > > > > > > > method is permissible in dealing with the enemy, but 
> > > > > > > > > absolutely impermissible in dealing with meditators and 
> > > > > > > > > friends. 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > As a community together our three major principles for the 
> > > > > > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Important change in the Invincible America Assembly

[Buck]

The TM operational Bevan, gang of five, and the Indian Partners; evidently our 
TM organizational running-dogs. There are Rajas and there are Rajas in our TM 
leadership:
> > 
I [Bevan] also said Raja John Hagelin, Raja Wynne and
Maureen, Raja Bob Lopinto, Raja Harris and myself are trying to come up with a 
plan for new sources of income that will allow the program to continue as much 
as possible, and we are talking to our Indian leaders about this. 

> 
> 
> >
> > Fine, The meditating movement must become one with the meditator community 
> > so that they may see it as their own movement.  Such a movement will be 
> > invincible.
> > -Buck
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > Let's avert the danger, shall we Buck, rather than crushing anyone!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: Buck 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:13 AM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important change in the Invincible America 
> > > Assembly
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Every meditator must be helped to understand that as long as we rely on 
> > > the meditating movement, believe firmly in the inexhaustible creative 
> > > power of the meditating community and hence trust and identify ourselves 
> > > with them, then we can surmount any difficulty, and no enemy can crush us 
> > > while we can crush any enemy. 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > "Enemy?"
> > > > > 
> > > > > I think you've misunderstood the purpose of the "Invincible America" 
> > > > > course.
> > > > > 
> > > > > "Invincibility" means to inspire everyone to want to be a genuine 
> > > > > friend, so that one has no enemies.
> > > > > 
> > > > > L
> > > > 
> > > > Yes, I am addressing my comments here to the post-Maharishi leadership 
> > > > of our movement and our meditating community.  This is proven advice 
> > > > that I freely bring to their tables.  As Winston Churchill once advised 
> > > > his people at the end of his life, "Stick with the Americans". 
> > > > With Great Respect,
> > > > -Buck
> > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > As we go forward as a meditating movement we must make a 
> > > > > > distinction between the anti-meditation enemy and ourselves, and we 
> > > > > > must not adopt an antagonistic stands towards our own comrade 
> > > > > > meditators and treat them as we would the enemy.  In speaking up, 
> > > > > > one must have an ardent desire to protect the cause of the 
> > > > > > meditating community and raise the spiritual consciousness, and 
> > > > > > there must be no ridiculing or attacking in one's administrative or 
> > > > > > leadership approach.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > A proper measure of democracy should be put into effect in the 
> > > > > > > meditating movement, chiefly by abolishing the feudal practice of 
> > > > > > > bullying and beating we have now and by having administrators and 
> > > > > > > meditators share weal and woe.  Once this is done, unity will be 
> > > > > > > achieved between administrators and meditators and the teaching 
> > > > > > > effectiveness of the meditating movement will be greatly 
> > > > > > > increased, and there will be no doubt of our ability to sustain 
> > > > > > > the long-going and sustained spiritual work of the Unified Field 
> > > > > > > in the world. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Our meditating movement must of necessity use the democratic 
> > > > > > > > method of persuasion and education when working among 
> > > > > > > > meditators and the non-meditators and must on no account resort 
> > > > > > > > to commandism or coercion.  Our administrators, teachers and 
> > > > > > > > meditator comrades must understand that spiritual remoulding 
> > > > > > > > involves long-term, patient and painstaking work, and they must 
> > > > > > > > not attempt to change people's ideology, by giving a few 
> > > > > > > > lectures or by holding a few meetings.  Persuasion, not 
> > > > > > > > compulsion, is the only way to convince them.  Compulsion will 
> > > > > > > > never result in convincing them. [The old guard's anti-saint 
> > > > > > > > policy and administrative guideline held over meditators and 
> > > > > > > > teachers?]  To try to convince them by force simply won't work. 
> > > > > > > >  This kind of method is permissible in dealing with the enemy, 
> > > > > > > > but absolutely impermissible in dealing with meditators and 
> > > > > > > > friends. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > As a community together our three major principles for the 
> > > > > > > > > movement's spiritual work are, first, unity between 
> > > > > > > > > administrators and meditators; second, unity between the 
> > > > > > > > > movement and the meditators; and third, the disintegration of 
> > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Important change in the Invincible America Assembly

[Buck]

>
> Fine, The meditating movement must become one with the meditator community so 
> that they may see it as their own movement.  Such a movement will be 
> invincible.
> -Buck
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Let's avert the danger, shall we Buck, rather than crushing anyone!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: Buck 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:13 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important change in the Invincible America 
> > Assembly
> >  
> > 
> > Every meditator must be helped to understand that as long as we rely on the 
> > meditating movement, believe firmly in the inexhaustible creative power of 
> > the meditating community and hence trust and identify ourselves with them, 
> > then we can surmount any difficulty, and no enemy can crush us while we can 
> > crush any enemy. 
> > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > "Enemy?"
> > > > 
> > > > I think you've misunderstood the purpose of the "Invincible America" 
> > > > course.
> > > > 
> > > > "Invincibility" means to inspire everyone to want to be a genuine 
> > > > friend, so that one has no enemies.
> > > > 
> > > > L
> > > 
> > > Yes, I am addressing my comments here to the post-Maharishi leadership of 
> > > our movement and our meditating community.  This is proven advice that I 
> > > freely bring to their tables.  As Winston Churchill once advised his 
> > > people at the end of his life, "Stick with the Americans". 
> > > With Great Respect,
> > > -Buck
> > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > As we go forward as a meditating movement we must make a distinction 
> > > > > between the anti-meditation enemy and ourselves, and we must not 
> > > > > adopt an antagonistic stands towards our own comrade meditators and 
> > > > > treat them as we would the enemy.  In speaking up, one must have an 
> > > > > ardent desire to protect the cause of the meditating community and 
> > > > > raise the spiritual consciousness, and there must be no ridiculing or 
> > > > > attacking in one's administrative or leadership approach.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > A proper measure of democracy should be put into effect in the 
> > > > > > meditating movement, chiefly by abolishing the feudal practice of 
> > > > > > bullying and beating we have now and by having administrators and 
> > > > > > meditators share weal and woe.  Once this is done, unity will be 
> > > > > > achieved between administrators and meditators and the teaching 
> > > > > > effectiveness of the meditating movement will be greatly increased, 
> > > > > > and there will be no doubt of our ability to sustain the long-going 
> > > > > > and sustained spiritual work of the Unified Field in the world. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Our meditating movement must of necessity use the democratic 
> > > > > > > method of persuasion and education when working among meditators 
> > > > > > > and the non-meditators and must on no account resort to 
> > > > > > > commandism or coercion.  Our administrators, teachers and 
> > > > > > > meditator comrades must understand that spiritual remoulding 
> > > > > > > involves long-term, patient and painstaking work, and they must 
> > > > > > > not attempt to change people's ideology, by giving a few lectures 
> > > > > > > or by holding a few meetings.  Persuasion, not compulsion, is the 
> > > > > > > only way to convince them.  Compulsion will never result in 
> > > > > > > convincing them. [The old guard's anti-saint policy and 
> > > > > > > administrative guideline held over meditators and teachers?]  To 
> > > > > > > try to convince them by force simply won't work.  This kind of 
> > > > > > > method is permissible in dealing with the enemy, but absolutely 
> > > > > > > impermissible in dealing with meditators and friends. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > As a community together our three major principles for the 
> > > > > > > > movement's spiritual work are, first, unity between 
> > > > > > > > administrators and meditators; second, unity between the 
> > > > > > > > movement and the meditators; and third, the disintegration of 
> > > > > > > > the enemy anti-meditation forces, the counter-revolutionary 
> > > > > > > > meditation-haters.
> > > > > > > > To apply these principles effectively, we must start with this 
> > > > > > > > basic attitude of respect for the field teacher and the 
> > > > > > > > meditator, and of respect and compassion for the human dignity 
> > > > > > > > of the meditation-haters once they have laid down their 
> > > > > > > > opposition. Those who take all this as a technical matter and 
> > > > > > > > not one of basic attitude are indeed wrong, and they should 
> > > > > > > > correct their view.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Many people think that it