Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Voldemort a hack? (was The Prerequisites for Enlightenment)

[Ravi Chivukula]

Now where the fuck is Robin? :-)

Damn that was good Bob - how can I be like you? You are one of most
creative persons to have graced this list - you leave me with the dissonant
feelings of delight, wonder coupled with envy !!!



On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 7:16 PM, Bob Price  wrote:

> **
>
>
>
> 
> From: turquoiseb 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 7:58:43 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Prerequisites for Enlightenment
>
> >>>And for your information, I dash off things here and send them without
> editing them because most of the time I'm just having fun with them.
> That, and the audience I'm writing for doesn't meet my standards for
> deserving edited copy -- they're not paying me.
>
> >>>For paying customers, I edit. Non-paying customers who don't like
> my unedited posts can go suck eggs. Non-paying editors who get off
> on editing my posts for me should pay *me*, for providing them with
> something to do on those days when they're off work and thus not
> busy...uh...editing.   :-)
>
> **
>
> I was thrilled with last weeks *posting without limits*,
> it gave me a sense of power and control knowing that I could
> respond to any and all of the 1500+ posts that I just finished reading.
>
> One of our illustrious contributors suggested that we might consider a
> *Best of FFL*
> going forward, and with that in mind I set myself the difficult task of
> picking
> my favorite subject for the week; it was a challenge (how could anyone
> best Share's attempt
> to prove she speaks in tongues), but a decision had to be made and I'm
> going with:
>
> "Is Voldemort a hack?"
>
> When I read Voldemort's posts I ask myself: "Where's the art?". For
> someone with his
> considerable output on FFL, who puts so much effort into selling himself
> to us as
>
> a creative writer, art seems conspicuously absent from his contributions;
> this might
> be less true if you consider manual (or phonebook) writing a creative act.
>
> As he makes clear above, Voldemort is a writer of manuals, and, IMO, when
> he attempts
>
> anything more than that, the word "hack" pretty much nails what he becomes.
>
> For something to be considered art it's imperative that it have the
> ability to defamiliarize*
> by making the familiar, unfamiliar and *new*; Voldemort's posts completely
> fail at this.
> OTOH, Judy's choice of the word "hack", to describe Voldemort, is a great
> example of effective
> defamiliarization---it gave me a new experience of something that was
> familiar about him.
>
> I also must agree with Judy that irony is the life blood of creative
> writing
>
> (writing phonebooks, not as much), and reading Voldemort's attempts at
> writing creatively
>
> ---when he is so handicapped in the irony department (narcissism will do
> that), is like watching
>
> someone with no hands attempt to show off his penmanship (no "My left
> foot" jokes please). He also
> appears to be unable to go beyond cliche and what Martin Amis calls "heard
> words", which make
>
> his offerings, on this forum at least, quite artless. Anyone who considers
> Voldemort a creative writer
> might consider rereading Hemingway (if you are interested in understanding
> some of Kerouac's limitations,
> who Voldemort attempts to emulate---without demonstrating any of Kerouac's
> talent as an artist).
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abc819rT6wI
>
> The film "The Master" was an example for me of the way art can make the
> familiar *new*; the whole film
>
> delivered artistically, but the scene where Lancaster Dodd (Philip Seymour
> Hoffman) "Processes" Freddie
>
> Quell (Joaquin Phoenix)---for the first time, felt in some way like the
> first time I meditated; my experience of
>
> the scene was familiar and at the same time completely new; part of it was
> the suggestiveness of Dodd's
> voice, but more was the scene's transition from Dodd's voice to Quell
> *living* a previous experience
> as if for the first time, and the familiarity it had to my first
> meditation and the first superlative
>
> clarity of the thought (engram or, if you will, un-stressing) that
> reported or noticed an artifact of my
>
> awareness that had just existed without thinking.
>
> The art of the writing, acting, and editing were part of it, but I believe
> it was the cinematography,
> with its use of 70mm film (which is rare today), that more than anything
> else was essential to making
>
> the experience possible for me.
>
> Another component of the film that worked the same way for me was Joaquin
> Phoenix's characterization
> of Freddie Quell, which allowed me to experience---as if for the first
> time---character types that I
> met as a child who were friends of my father that had served with him in
> WW2; JP's characterization
>
> of Quell had the same effect on me as a number of characters Jim Thompson
> (writer of "The Getaway" and
>
> "The Grifters") created that felt as new, when I read about them in his

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Voldemort a hack? (was The Prerequisites for Enlightenment)

[raunchydog]

You came home! Welcome back, Bob.

 
[http://artiewayne.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/lassie-come-home-elizabet\
h-taylor.jpg]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
>
>
> 
> From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 7:58:43 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Prerequisites for Enlightenment
>
> >>>And for your information, I dash off things here and send them
without
> editing them because most of the time I'm just having fun with them.
> That, and the audience I'm writing for doesn't meet my standards for
> deserving edited copy -- they're not paying me.
>
> >>>For paying customers, I edit. Non-paying customers who don't like
> my unedited posts can go suck eggs. Non-paying editors who get off
> on editing my posts for me should pay *me*, for providing them with
> something to do on those days when they're off work and thus not
> busy...uh...editing.   :-)
>
> **
>
> I was thrilled with last weeks *posting without limits*,
> it gave me a sense of power and control knowing that I could
> respond to any and all of the 1500+ posts that I just finished
reading.
>
> One of our illustrious contributors suggested that we might consider a
*Best of FFL*
> going forward, and with that in mind I set myself the difficult task
of picking
> my favorite subject for the week; it was a challenge (how could anyone
best Share's attempt
> to prove she speaks in tongues), but a decision had to be made and I'm
going with:Â
>
> "Is Voldemort a hack?"
>
> When I read Voldemort's posts I ask myself: "Where's the art?". For
someone with his
> considerable output on FFL, who puts so much effort into selling
himself to us as
>
> a creative writer, art seems conspicuously absent from his
contributions; this might
> be less true if you consider manual (or phonebook) writing a creative
act.
>
> As he makes clear above, Voldemort is a writer of manuals, and, IMO,
when he attempts
>
> anything more than that, the word "hack" pretty much nails what he
becomes.
>
> For something to be considered art it's imperative that it have the
ability to defamiliarize*
> by making the familiar, unfamiliar and *new*; Voldemort's posts
completely fail at this.
> OTOH, Judy's choice of the word "hack", to describe Voldemort, is a
great example of effective
> defamiliarization---it gave me a new experience of something that was
familiar about him.
>
> I also must agree with Judy that irony is the life blood of creative
writing
>
> (writing phonebooks, not as much), and reading Voldemort's attempts at
writing creatively
>
> ---when he is so handicapped in the irony department (narcissism will
do that), is like watching
>
> someone with no hands attempt to show off his penmanship (no "My left
foot" jokes please). He also
> appears to be unable to go beyond cliche and what Martin Amis calls
"heard words", which make
>
> his offerings, on this forum at least, quite artless. Anyone who
considers Voldemort a creative writer
> might consider rereading Hemingway (if you are interested in
understanding some of Kerouac's limitations,
> who Voldemort attempts to emulate---without demonstrating any of
Kerouac's talent as an artist).
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abc819rT6wI
>
>
> The film "The Master" was an example for me of the way art can make
the familiar *new*; the whole film
>
> delivered artistically, but the scene where Lancaster Dodd (Philip
Seymour Hoffman) "Processes" Freddie
>
> Quell (Joaquin Phoenix)---for the first time, felt in some way like
the first time I meditated; my experience of
>
> the scene was familiar and at the same time completely new; part of it
was the suggestiveness of Dodd's
> voice, but more was the scene's transition from Dodd's voice to Quell
*living* a previous experience
> as if for the first time, and the familiarity it had to my first
meditation and the first superlative
>
> clarity of the thought (engram or, if you will, un-stressing) that
reported or noticed an artifact of my
>
> awareness that had just existed without thinking.
>
>
> The art of the writing, acting, and editing were part of it, but I
believe it was the cinematography,
> with its use of 70mm film (which is rare today), that more than
anything else was essential to making
>
> the experience possible for me.
>
>
> Another component of the film that worked the same way for me was
Joaquin Phoenix's characterization
> of Freddie Quell, which allowed me to experience---as if for the first
time---character types that I
> met as a child who were friends of my father that had served with him
in WW2; JP's characterization
>
> of Quell had the same effect on me as a number of characters Jim
Thompson (writer of "The Getaway" and
>
> "The Grifters") created that felt as new, when I read about them in
his novels, but reminded me of some
> psychopathic cowboy's my father socialized with.
>
>
> I wouldn't disagree that Voldemort's posts are full

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Voldemort a hack? (was The Prerequisites for Enlightenment)

[doctordumbass]

These videocams are amazing! I see Bob, and you, trying to escape the guy with 
the trumpet, Em - I'm raising the flute, standing in front of Bob. What a 
delightful and refined evening it has been!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emilymae.reyn"  wrote:
>
> Bob, welcome back - are you here to restore musicality?  Raise the bar a
> bit?
> 
> 
>   [File:Watschenkonzert Karikatur in Die Zeit vom 6. April 1913.jpg]
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 7:58:43 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Prerequisites for Enlightenment
> >
> > >>>And for your information, I dash off things here and send them
> without
> > editing them because most of the time I'm just having fun with them.
> > That, and the audience I'm writing for doesn't meet my standards for
> > deserving edited copy -- they're not paying me.
> >
> > >>>For paying customers, I edit. Non-paying customers who don't like
> > my unedited posts can go suck eggs. Non-paying editors who get off
> > on editing my posts for me should pay *me*, for providing them with
> > something to do on those days when they're off work and thus not
> > busy...uh...editing.   :-)
> >
> > **
> >
> > I was thrilled with last weeks *posting without limits*,
> > it gave me a sense of power and control knowing that I could
> > respond to any and all of the 1500+ posts that I just finished
> reading.
> >
> > One of our illustrious contributors suggested that we might consider a
> *Best of FFL*
> > going forward, and with that in mind I set myself the difficult task
> of picking
> > my favorite subject for the week; it was a challenge (how could anyone
> best Share's attempt
> > to prove she speaks in tongues), but a decision had to be made and I'm
> going with:Â
> >
> > "Is Voldemort a hack?"
> >
> > When I read Voldemort's posts I ask myself: "Where's the art?". For
> someone with his
> > considerable output on FFL, who puts so much effort into selling
> himself to us as
> >
> > a creative writer, art seems conspicuously absent from his
> contributions; this might
> > be less true if you consider manual (or phonebook) writing a creative
> act.
> >
> > As he makes clear above, Voldemort is a writer of manuals, and, IMO,
> when he attempts
> >
> > anything more than that, the word "hack" pretty much nails what he
> becomes.
> >
> > For something to be considered art it's imperative that it have the
> ability to defamiliarize*
> > by making the familiar, unfamiliar and *new*; Voldemort's posts
> completely fail at this.
> > OTOH, Judy's choice of the word "hack", to describe Voldemort, is a
> great example of effective
> > defamiliarization---it gave me a new experience of something that was
> familiar about him.
> >
> > I also must agree with Judy that irony is the life blood of creative
> writing
> >
> > (writing phonebooks, not as much), and reading Voldemort's attempts at
> writing creatively
> >
> > ---when he is so handicapped in the irony department (narcissism will
> do that), is like watching
> >
> > someone with no hands attempt to show off his penmanship (no "My left
> foot" jokes please). He also
> > appears to be unable to go beyond cliche and what Martin Amis calls
> "heard words", which make
> >
> > his offerings, on this forum at least, quite artless. Anyone who
> considers Voldemort a creative writer
> > might consider rereading Hemingway (if you are interested in
> understanding some of Kerouac's limitations,
> > who Voldemort attempts to emulate---without demonstrating any of
> Kerouac's talent as an artist).
> >
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abc819rT6wI
> >
> >
> > The film "The Master" was an example for me of the way art can make
> the familiar *new*; the whole film
> >
> > delivered artistically, but the scene where Lancaster Dodd (Philip
> Seymour Hoffman) "Processes" Freddie
> >
> > Quell (Joaquin Phoenix)---for the first time, felt in some way like
> the first time I meditated; my experience of
> >
> > the scene was familiar and at the same time completely new; part of it
> was the suggestiveness of Dodd's
> > voice, but more was the scene's transition from Dodd's voice to Quell
> *living* a previous experience
> > as if for the first time, and the familiarity it had to my first
> meditation and the first superlative
> >
> > clarity of the thought (engram or, if you will, un-stressing) that
> reported or noticed an artifact of my
> >
> > awareness that had just existed without thinking.
> >
> >
> > The art of the writing, acting, and editing were part of it, but I
> believe it was the cinematography,
> > with its use of 70mm film (which is rare today), that more than
> anything else was essential to making
> >
> > the experience possible for me.
> >
> >
> > Another component of the film that worked the same way for me was
> Joaquin Pho

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Voldemort a hack? (was The Prerequisites for Enlightenment)

[emilymae.reyn]

Bob, welcome back - are you here to restore musicality?  Raise the bar a
bit?


  [File:Watschenkonzert Karikatur in Die Zeit vom 6. April 1913.jpg]




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
>
>
> 
> From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 7:58:43 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Prerequisites for Enlightenment
>
> >>>And for your information, I dash off things here and send them
without
> editing them because most of the time I'm just having fun with them.
> That, and the audience I'm writing for doesn't meet my standards for
> deserving edited copy -- they're not paying me.
>
> >>>For paying customers, I edit. Non-paying customers who don't like
> my unedited posts can go suck eggs. Non-paying editors who get off
> on editing my posts for me should pay *me*, for providing them with
> something to do on those days when they're off work and thus not
> busy...uh...editing.   :-)
>
> **
>
> I was thrilled with last weeks *posting without limits*,
> it gave me a sense of power and control knowing that I could
> respond to any and all of the 1500+ posts that I just finished
reading.
>
> One of our illustrious contributors suggested that we might consider a
*Best of FFL*
> going forward, and with that in mind I set myself the difficult task
of picking
> my favorite subject for the week; it was a challenge (how could anyone
best Share's attempt
> to prove she speaks in tongues), but a decision had to be made and I'm
going with:Â
>
> "Is Voldemort a hack?"
>
> When I read Voldemort's posts I ask myself: "Where's the art?". For
someone with his
> considerable output on FFL, who puts so much effort into selling
himself to us as
>
> a creative writer, art seems conspicuously absent from his
contributions; this might
> be less true if you consider manual (or phonebook) writing a creative
act.
>
> As he makes clear above, Voldemort is a writer of manuals, and, IMO,
when he attempts
>
> anything more than that, the word "hack" pretty much nails what he
becomes.
>
> For something to be considered art it's imperative that it have the
ability to defamiliarize*
> by making the familiar, unfamiliar and *new*; Voldemort's posts
completely fail at this.
> OTOH, Judy's choice of the word "hack", to describe Voldemort, is a
great example of effective
> defamiliarization---it gave me a new experience of something that was
familiar about him.
>
> I also must agree with Judy that irony is the life blood of creative
writing
>
> (writing phonebooks, not as much), and reading Voldemort's attempts at
writing creatively
>
> ---when he is so handicapped in the irony department (narcissism will
do that), is like watching
>
> someone with no hands attempt to show off his penmanship (no "My left
foot" jokes please). He also
> appears to be unable to go beyond cliche and what Martin Amis calls
"heard words", which make
>
> his offerings, on this forum at least, quite artless. Anyone who
considers Voldemort a creative writer
> might consider rereading Hemingway (if you are interested in
understanding some of Kerouac's limitations,
> who Voldemort attempts to emulate---without demonstrating any of
Kerouac's talent as an artist).
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abc819rT6wI
>
>
> The film "The Master" was an example for me of the way art can make
the familiar *new*; the whole film
>
> delivered artistically, but the scene where Lancaster Dodd (Philip
Seymour Hoffman) "Processes" Freddie
>
> Quell (Joaquin Phoenix)---for the first time, felt in some way like
the first time I meditated; my experience of
>
> the scene was familiar and at the same time completely new; part of it
was the suggestiveness of Dodd's
> voice, but more was the scene's transition from Dodd's voice to Quell
*living* a previous experience
> as if for the first time, and the familiarity it had to my first
meditation and the first superlative
>
> clarity of the thought (engram or, if you will, un-stressing) that
reported or noticed an artifact of my
>
> awareness that had just existed without thinking.
>
>
> The art of the writing, acting, and editing were part of it, but I
believe it was the cinematography,
> with its use of 70mm film (which is rare today), that more than
anything else was essential to making
>
> the experience possible for me.
>
>
> Another component of the film that worked the same way for me was
Joaquin Phoenix's characterization
> of Freddie Quell, which allowed me to experience---as if for the first
time---character types that I
> met as a child who were friends of my father that had served with him
in WW2; JP's characterization
>
> of Quell had the same effect on me as a number of characters Jim
Thompson (writer of "The Getaway" and
>
> "The Grifters") created that felt as new, when I read about them in
his novels, but reminded me of some
> psychopathic cowboy's my father socialized with.
>
>
> I wouldn't disagree tha

[FairfieldLife] Re: Violence in Oakland forces residents to seek private security

[John]

Mike,

The key solution to Oakland's problem is employment of youths.  If most of the 
youth are in school and have part-time jobs, the violence will decrease.  
Unfortunately, that's not happening and the crime statistics show.






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> I would be more inclined to believe it is a lack of education that leads to 
> unemployment, then to poverty, then violence. But who knows, maybe those 
> streets really *f* up ones mental state. Are Oakland's streets any worse than 
> Chicago's? How far is Chicago from Fairfield? Shouldn't there be some 
> *spill-over* there? Just sayin'
> 
>  
> 
> 
>  From: John 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:44 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Violence in Oakland forces residents to seek 
> private security
>   
>    
>  
> Emptybill,
> 
> TMers in Oakland should get together to meditate to enliven the Maharishi 
> Effect.  Also, the Lynch Foundation should teach TM to some of the public 
> schools over there to bring peace in the schools.  The Foundation has already 
> been successful in teaching TM to the youth in one of the public schools in 
> San Francisco, CA.
> 
> Further, the streets in Oakland, CA are not aligned in a grid with the main 
> cardinal directions.  If you drive by over there at night, you can easily get 
> lost.  IMO, this is a contributing factor to the violence there, in addition 
> to poverty, lack of education and unemployment.
> 
> JR
> 
> --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > (Not appearing in the Oakland Tribune but appearing at your door)
> > 
> > Violence in Oakland forces residents to seek private security
> > 
> > By John BlackstoneAugust 17, 2013 7:12 PM
> > 
> >   (CBS News) OAKLAND, Calif. - There has been 61 murders so far in
> > Oakland, California. And with crime on the rise, some neighbors are
> > taking extraordinary steps.
> > 
> > Gunfire has become so common on the streets of Oakland, California --
> > that even in neighborhoods that once seemed immune to the city's
> > violence, residents are no longer shocked.
> > 
> > Jan Hetherington has lived for 14 years in the Oakland, California
> > neighborhood of Maxwell Park. Yet she acknowledged she has to bring in
> > private security to feel safe.
> > 
> > "It's like, 'Oh, another shooting,'" said Jan Hetherington, who has
> > lived for 14 years in the Oakland neighborhood of Maxwell Park. It's a
> > place with glorious views across San Francisco Bay, neat houses and
> > friendly neighbors.
> > 
> > "This is the most wonderful neighborhood I've ever lived in," she said.
> > Yet she acknowledged she has to bring in private security to feel safe.
> > 
> > With budget cuts forcing Oakland to trim its police force by a third,
> > residents decided to pay themselves for private security patrols, which
> > is understandable when you hear this from Hetherington.
> > 
> > "A car came down the street, three guys got out with a gun. There was a
> > gun battle three blocks over. And I did hear actually a bullet went
> > through somebody's house."
> > 
> > That routine gunfire turned tragic last month.
> > 
> > "Our neighbor Judy, who lived in the next block to me, was shot and
> > killed," said Hetherington.
> > 
> > Judy Salamon, a 66-year-old dog walker, was murdered as she drove home.
> > Who did it and why is unknown. Neighbors gathering at the spot where she
> > died fear that if it could happen to Salamon, it could happen to anyone.
> > 
> > Pastor Gregg Brown was threatened at gunpoint by someone who had
> > complained about a noisy power washer used to clean the church.
> > 
> > Pastor Gregg Brown moved here nine years ago. Even he has been
> > threatened at gunpoint, right outside his Lutheran church
> > 
> > "I was scared and I'm still scared," he said.
> > 
> > The man with the gun complained about the noisy power washer used to
> > clean the church sidewalk. Brown was told to stop or he'll be shot.
> > "That's how close the crime is," he said.
> > 
> > Eighty-one-year-old Joyce Nichelini has lived Maxwell Park for 42 years.
> > 
> > "I lock a gate now and I lock my door and I have alarms. I even put bars
> > on my house," she said. Yet she acknowledged she doesn't feel safe.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: We know the Beatles carried on with their TM . . .

[Seraphita]

Anyway, some people should just forget about meditation and stick to the
drugs. This is the Stones at their best with Jagger wearing what looks
like a Tibetan lama's cap (a nod to Tim Leary's Psychedelic Experience?)
playing the role of shaman. Pure rock theatre.
  http://tinyurl.com/kvwux8f 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > paul and ringo promote TM cause Lynch has prevailed upon them to do
so
> - I wonder if they actually do it?
>
> It's not as if Paul and Ringo are star-struck teenagers - and it's not
> as if they need the attention. I'm sure they still do it (if with the
> occasional break) as also do Donovan and Mike Love.
> But, yeah, Keith Richards you've got to worry about . . .
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Voldemort a hack? (was The Prerequisites for Enlightenment)

[obbajeeba]

 Tee hee, hee, hee.   Me too!

This is how we do it,  Azgrey (who?)  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVi8bJFIac8
 take note, ya'll,
  Bob's in da hood.   Bobby's in da house! [:x]OXOXOXOXO



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> May I just say that I can go to bed tonight happy? In fact, I'm
positively giddy.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 7:58:43 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Prerequisites for Enlightenment
> >
> > >>>And for your information, I dash off things here and send them
without
> > editing them because most of the time I'm just having fun with them.
> > That, and the audience I'm writing for doesn't meet my standards for
> > deserving edited copy -- they're not paying me.
> >
> > >>>For paying customers, I edit. Non-paying customers who don't like
> > my unedited posts can go suck eggs. Non-paying editors who get off
> > on editing my posts for me should pay *me*, for providing them with
> > something to do on those days when they're off work and thus not
> > busy...uh...editing.   :-)
> >
> > **
> >
> > I was thrilled with last weeks *posting without limits*,
> > it gave me a sense of power and control knowing that I could
> > respond to any and all of the 1500+ posts that I just finished
reading.
> >
> > One of our illustrious contributors suggested that we might consider
a *Best of FFL*
> > going forward, and with that in mind I set myself the difficult task
of picking
> > my favorite subject for the week; it was a challenge (how could
anyone best Share's attempt
> > to prove she speaks in tongues), but a decision had to be made and
I'm going with:Â
> >
> > "Is Voldemort a hack?"
> >
> > When I read Voldemort's posts I ask myself: "Where's the art?". For
someone with his
> > considerable output on FFL, who puts so much effort into selling
himself to us as
> >
> > a creative writer, art seems conspicuously absent from his
contributions; this might
> > be less true if you consider manual (or phonebook) writing a
creative act.
> >
> > As he makes clear above, Voldemort is a writer of manuals, and, IMO,
when he attempts
> >
> > anything more than that, the word "hack" pretty much nails what he
becomes.
> >
> > For something to be considered art it's imperative that it have the
ability to defamiliarize*
> > by making the familiar, unfamiliar and *new*; Voldemort's posts
completely fail at this.
> > OTOH, Judy's choice of the word "hack", to describe Voldemort, is a
great example of effective
> > defamiliarization---it gave me a new experience of something that
was familiar about him.
> >
> > I also must agree with Judy that irony is the life blood of creative
writing
> >
> > (writing phonebooks, not as much), and reading Voldemort's attempts
at writing creatively
> >
> > ---when he is so handicapped in the irony department (narcissism
will do that), is like watching
> >
> > someone with no hands attempt to show off his penmanship (no "My
left foot" jokes please). He also
> > appears to be unable to go beyond cliche and what Martin Amis calls
"heard words", which make
> >
> > his offerings, on this forum at least, quite artless. Anyone who
considers Voldemort a creative writer
> > might consider rereading Hemingway (if you are interested in
understanding some of Kerouac's limitations,
> > who Voldemort attempts to emulate---without demonstrating any of
Kerouac's talent as an artist).
> >
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abc819rT6wI
> >
> >
> > The film "The Master" was an example for me of the way art can make
the familiar *new*; the whole film
> >
> > delivered artistically, but the scene where Lancaster Dodd (Philip
Seymour Hoffman) "Processes" Freddie
> >
> > Quell (Joaquin Phoenix)---for the first time, felt in some way like
the first time I meditated; my experience of
> >
> > the scene was familiar and at the same time completely new; part of
it was the suggestiveness of Dodd's
> > voice, but more was the scene's transition from Dodd's voice to
Quell *living* a previous experience
> > as if for the first time, and the familiarity it had to my first
meditation and the first superlative
> >
> > clarity of the thought (engram or, if you will, un-stressing) that
reported or noticed an artifact of my
> >
> > awareness that had just existed without thinking.
> >
> >
> > The art of the writing, acting, and editing were part of it, but I
believe it was the cinematography,
> > with its use of 70mm film (which is rare today), that more than
anything else was essential to making
> >
> > the experience possible for me.
> >
> >
> > Another component of the film that worked the same way for me was
Joaquin Phoenix's characterization
> > of Freddie Quell, which allowed me to experience---as if for the
first time--

[FairfieldLife] Re: We know the Beatles carried on with their TM . . .

[obbajeeba]

Hmm. Come on Russell, who's yer real Daddy?  lol  Just sayin..



http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/comedian-russell-brand-pictur\
ed-exploring-2179780




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
>
> Uber-hippies alright.
> I thought the third comment down was a little judgemental:
>
> weskitten   1 year ago
> > dF8alM>
>
> that TM wanker. Bloody curry conman!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
> >
> > Don't you just love those million dollar hippie clothes? Bet Keith
> Richards still meditates... LOL
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >  From: Seraphita s3raphita@
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:53 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] We know the Beatles carried on with their
TM
> . . .
> >
> > Â
> >
> > . . . Â and Paul and Ringo still promote the meditation. But I
> wonder how many members of the Rolling Stones are still repeating
their
> mantras.
> > Not this guy obviously . . .Â
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klx-IDQEwy4Â
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: We know the Beatles carried on with their TM . . .

[Seraphita]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> paul and ringo promote TM cause Lynch has prevailed upon them to do so
- I wonder if they actually do it?

It's not as if Paul and Ringo are star-struck teenagers - and it's not
as if they need the attention. I'm sure they still do it (if with the
occasional break) as also do Donovan and Mike Love.
But, yeah, Keith Richards you've got to worry about . . .

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Counts & The Underbelly of FFL

[doctordumbass]

No big deal, Ann. The world is in a period of transition where all the male and 
female pricks are becoming smaller in stature. Everything is back up for grabs, 
so I am simply encouraging the trend. Hip Hip Hooray!!!

"an expert is just some guy from out of town", Larry Ellison, quoting Mark 
Twain, on how he invented a relational database that could run as fast as a 
flat file one, which IBM had already concluded was impossible, due to all the 
research their experts had done.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > azgrey stands in judgment of everyone, just like that other guy - peering 
> > down their noses at the rest of us. The stench is immediate. Fuck 'em and 
> > their big ideas of themselves. Bunch of little pricks, and a waste of space.
> 
> Wow Doc, you don't suffer fools and derelicts very well either. Just let me 
> know if I'm getting out of line, okay? I would really hate to become the 
> target of your intellect or wrath.  Now, don't mind me, I'll just clear up 
> these dishes, mop the floor and prepare your nightcap - sir.
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey  wrote:
> > > (snip)
> > > > Do you ever wonder if some of those who project their vile 
> > > > inner values while at the same time vociferously arguing 
> > > > against post limits, are completely unaware of what they 
> > > > reveal of themselves?
> > > 
> > > I wonder how you characterize the inner values you project.
> > > 
> > > I mean, besides the hypocrisy.
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] We know the Beatles carried on with their TM . . .

[Michael Jackson]

paul and ringo promote TM cause Lynch has prevailed upon them to do so - I 
wonder if they actually do it? Given the fact that Sir Paul has been using pot 
and other drugs for years, I guess TM didn't have as much charm for him as a 
bit of sinsimilla - from the one of the UK papers on Sir Paul's cannabis use:
"During
their divorce, Miss Mills claimed Sir Paul would use cannabis as 
regularly as others drink cups of tea"

Didn't they used to say at intro and advanced lectures that TM helps stop drug 
use? Looking at some of the posts on MUM Secrets maybe they changed the program 
and MUM is on the Paul McCartney TM Program, five hits of Lemon Ice and 20 
minutes of TM Plus Sidhis.










 From: Seraphita 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 8:53 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] We know the Beatles carried on with their TM . . .
 


  
. . .  and Paul and Ringo still promote the meditation. But I wonder how many 
members of the Rolling Stones are still repeating their mantras.


Not this guy obviously . . . 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klx-IDQEwy4 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >> 
> >>> As I believe I said above, "You can imagine to a certain
> >>> extent what it would be like for *you* to be a bat or to
> >>> be your identical twin brother..."
> >>> 
> >>> Now, I know you read that, because you asked me what "a
> >>> certain extent" was. So why are you asking that question
> >>> as though I hadn't already covered it?
> >> 
> >> I was inquiring as to the range of that extent, perhaps not
> >> clearly. In other words, how far from 100% accuracy would
> >> you say your descriptions of people's motives range? 10%, 30%?
> > 
> > That also varies.
> > 
> > But you aren't really describing your question accurately,
> > are you? It was actually confrontational and accusatory,
> > wasn't it?
> 
> To make the question more precise, for any given person
> on FFL, in your own estimation, based on the replies you
> get and the posts directed to you either directly or
> indirectly, is there a range somewhere within 0% to 100%
> for which you feel you can accurately estimate or
> guesstimate the motives a person has in making such a
> post? I would assume that the percentage would vary with
> the person.

Right. That's why I said "It varies."

> Now your last comment above is not relevant to my question
> in the previous post, but since you brought it up, this
> last comment of yours seems to me a diversion,

Diversion from what? I responded to your (revised) question.

> and to me sounds confrontational and accusatory. Now I said
> sounds, since I might be mistaken, but to me it is in line
> with your posting 'style'. Why do you feel you are being
> accused?

Because this is what you said:

"If it is true you cannot know what it is like to be even
your twin, if you had one, what does this say for your
supposed ability to know what a person's motives are, what
they are experiencing when they make a post here on FFL?
According to the account above, it would seem likely that
you are very much overstepping what it is possible to
actually know, and yet you present other's motivations in
such a way that makes it seem you are certain this or that
is what is happening internally with a person when that
person posts. This comment of course applies to anyone
else who here posts also. I am not questioning your motives
here, but what evidence exists that supports your view of
their motives for posting?"

> Further, in *my opinion* I do sometimes think you go over
> the top in describing other people's motives,

Right, you made that very clear in your original question
that I just quoted. That's why I said it was confrontational
and accusatory.

> and my subjective interpretation is you are projecting
> your internal state, your opinion of the situation, onto
> that person.

Yes, I think you could accurately say I was projecting my
opinion of the situation onto the person. What else would
I be doing??

> Now that is *my* projection. Now take Barry. He grossly
> exaggerates often in his posts, is often rather unkind, 
> exceptionally unkind occasionally.

And lies. You forgot lies.

> But overall, my subjective interpretation of what he writes
> is he is not usually intense about it, but when you do it,
> it feels very intense.

So, that's your experience. My experience is that when I
reread my posts of that type, I'm often surprised that
they're as low-key as they are, especially compared to
Barry's. I seem to have a built-in tendency to take
things down a notch that I'm not really conscious of
while I'm writing.

> That is, what he says in like vein
> is not important to him nearly to the degree what you say
> is important to you.

That may well be true. I don't think one ought to blast
people unkindly unless one feels it's important. It isn't
something to be done casually or for fun.

> Getting blasted by Barry, and getting blasted by you are,
> for me, entirely different experiences. For me, that recent
> post to Share was the only one, of the ones of Barry's I
> have read recently that comes close to your intensity.

You've missed quite a few posts of his, it seems.

Did you see this one, for instance?

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/349106

(Actually this is my response, but Barry's post is
quoted in its entirety. Interestingly, not long
afterward, he decided he was going to go back to
not responding to his "enemies." Oh, BTW, below
Barry's post are my responses to two of yours,
which I'm not sure you saw either.)

Here's another (also with my response at the top):

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/349548

> It makes me wonder if somewhere in your life history your
> method of responding to people developed in response to
> some less than pleasant events, or it could a family
> characteristic.

Neither, sorry to disappoint you. Maybe I was just lucky,
but until I started posting to electronic forums 25 or
so years ago, I'd n

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Voldemort a hack? (was The Prerequisites for Enlightenment)

[authfriend]

BobbyBobbyBobbyBobby! What a treat to see you again.
Like a big frosty tart-sweet glass of limeade, you are.
Clears the palate and the sinuses. And boy, we needed
that.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> From: turquoiseb 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 7:58:43 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Prerequisites for Enlightenment
> 
> >>>And for your information, I dash off things here and send them without
> editing them because most of the time I'm just having fun with them.
> That, and the audience I'm writing for doesn't meet my standards for
> deserving edited copy -- they're not paying me.
> 
> >>>For paying customers, I edit. Non-paying customers who don't like
> my unedited posts can go suck eggs. Non-paying editors who get off
> on editing my posts for me should pay *me*, for providing them with
> something to do on those days when they're off work and thus not
> busy...uh...editing.   :-)
> 
> **
> 
> I was thrilled with last weeks *posting without limits*,
> it gave me a sense of power and control knowing that I could
> respond to any and all of the 1500+ posts that I just finished reading.
> 
> One of our illustrious contributors suggested that we might consider a *Best 
> of FFL*
> going forward, and with that in mind I set myself the difficult task of 
> picking
> my favorite subject for the week; it was a challenge (how could anyone best 
> Share's attempt
> to prove she speaks in tongues), but a decision had to be made and I'm going 
> with: 
> 
> "Is Voldemort a hack?"
> 
> When I read Voldemort's posts I ask myself: "Where's the art?". For someone 
> with his
> considerable output on FFL, who puts so much effort into selling himself to 
> us as 
> 
> a creative writer, art seems conspicuously absent from his contributions; 
> this might
> be less true if you consider manual (or phonebook) writing a creative act.
> 
> As he makes clear above, Voldemort is a writer of manuals, and, IMO, when he 
> attempts 
> 
> anything more than that, the word "hack" pretty much nails what he becomes.
> 
> For something to be considered art it's imperative that it have the ability 
> to defamiliarize*
> by making the familiar, unfamiliar and *new*; Voldemort's posts completely 
> fail at this.
> OTOH, Judy's choice of the word "hack", to describe Voldemort, is a great 
> example of effective
> defamiliarization---it gave me a new experience of something that was 
> familiar about him.
> 
> I also must agree with Judy that irony is the life blood of creative writing 
> 
> (writing phonebooks, not as much), and reading Voldemort's attempts at 
> writing creatively 
> 
> ---when he is so handicapped in the irony department (narcissism will do 
> that), is like watching 
> 
> someone with no hands attempt to show off his penmanship (no "My left foot" 
> jokes please). He also
> appears to be unable to go beyond cliche and what Martin Amis calls "heard 
> words", which make 
> 
> his offerings, on this forum at least, quite artless. Anyone who considers 
> Voldemort a creative writer
> might consider rereading Hemingway (if you are interested in understanding 
> some of Kerouac's limitations,
> who Voldemort attempts to emulate---without demonstrating any of Kerouac's 
> talent as an artist).
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abc819rT6wI
> 
> 
> The film "The Master" was an example for me of the way art can make the 
> familiar *new*; the whole film 
> 
> delivered artistically, but the scene where Lancaster Dodd (Philip Seymour 
> Hoffman) "Processes" Freddie 
> 
> Quell (Joaquin Phoenix)---for the first time, felt in some way like the first 
> time I meditated; my experience of 
> 
> the scene was familiar and at the same time completely new; part of it was 
> the suggestiveness of Dodd's
> voice, but more was the scene's transition from Dodd's voice to Quell 
> *living* a previous experience
> as if for the first time, and the familiarity it had to my first meditation 
> and the first superlative 
> 
> clarity of the thought (engram or, if you will, un-stressing) that reported 
> or noticed an artifact of my 
> 
> awareness that had just existed without thinking. 
> 
> 
> The art of the writing, acting, and editing were part of it, but I believe it 
> was the cinematography,
> with its use of 70mm film (which is rare today), that more than anything else 
> was essential to making 
> 
> the experience possible for me. 
> 
> 
> Another component of the film that worked the same way for me was Joaquin 
> Phoenix's characterization
> of Freddie Quell, which allowed me to experience---as if for the first 
> time---character types that I
> met as a child who were friends of my father that had served with him in WW2; 
> JP's characterization 
> 
> of Quell had the same effect on me as a number of characters Jim Thompson 
> (writer of "The Getaway" and 
> 
> "The Grifters") created that felt as new, 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Voldemort a hack? (was The Prerequisites for Enlightenment)

[Ann]

May I just say that I can go to bed tonight happy? In fact, I'm positively 
giddy.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> From: turquoiseb 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 7:58:43 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Prerequisites for Enlightenment
> 
> >>>And for your information, I dash off things here and send them without
> editing them because most of the time I'm just having fun with them.
> That, and the audience I'm writing for doesn't meet my standards for
> deserving edited copy -- they're not paying me.
> 
> >>>For paying customers, I edit. Non-paying customers who don't like
> my unedited posts can go suck eggs. Non-paying editors who get off
> on editing my posts for me should pay *me*, for providing them with
> something to do on those days when they're off work and thus not
> busy...uh...editing.   :-)
> 
> **
> 
> I was thrilled with last weeks *posting without limits*,
> it gave me a sense of power and control knowing that I could
> respond to any and all of the 1500+ posts that I just finished reading.
> 
> One of our illustrious contributors suggested that we might consider a *Best 
> of FFL*
> going forward, and with that in mind I set myself the difficult task of 
> picking
> my favorite subject for the week; it was a challenge (how could anyone best 
> Share's attempt
> to prove she speaks in tongues), but a decision had to be made and I'm going 
> with: 
> 
> "Is Voldemort a hack?"
> 
> When I read Voldemort's posts I ask myself: "Where's the art?". For someone 
> with his
> considerable output on FFL, who puts so much effort into selling himself to 
> us as 
> 
> a creative writer, art seems conspicuously absent from his contributions; 
> this might
> be less true if you consider manual (or phonebook) writing a creative act.
> 
> As he makes clear above, Voldemort is a writer of manuals, and, IMO, when he 
> attempts 
> 
> anything more than that, the word "hack" pretty much nails what he becomes.
> 
> For something to be considered art it's imperative that it have the ability 
> to defamiliarize*
> by making the familiar, unfamiliar and *new*; Voldemort's posts completely 
> fail at this.
> OTOH, Judy's choice of the word "hack", to describe Voldemort, is a great 
> example of effective
> defamiliarization---it gave me a new experience of something that was 
> familiar about him.
> 
> I also must agree with Judy that irony is the life blood of creative writing 
> 
> (writing phonebooks, not as much), and reading Voldemort's attempts at 
> writing creatively 
> 
> ---when he is so handicapped in the irony department (narcissism will do 
> that), is like watching 
> 
> someone with no hands attempt to show off his penmanship (no "My left foot" 
> jokes please). He also
> appears to be unable to go beyond cliche and what Martin Amis calls "heard 
> words", which make 
> 
> his offerings, on this forum at least, quite artless. Anyone who considers 
> Voldemort a creative writer
> might consider rereading Hemingway (if you are interested in understanding 
> some of Kerouac's limitations,
> who Voldemort attempts to emulate---without demonstrating any of Kerouac's 
> talent as an artist).
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abc819rT6wI
> 
> 
> The film "The Master" was an example for me of the way art can make the 
> familiar *new*; the whole film 
> 
> delivered artistically, but the scene where Lancaster Dodd (Philip Seymour 
> Hoffman) "Processes" Freddie 
> 
> Quell (Joaquin Phoenix)---for the first time, felt in some way like the first 
> time I meditated; my experience of 
> 
> the scene was familiar and at the same time completely new; part of it was 
> the suggestiveness of Dodd's
> voice, but more was the scene's transition from Dodd's voice to Quell 
> *living* a previous experience
> as if for the first time, and the familiarity it had to my first meditation 
> and the first superlative 
> 
> clarity of the thought (engram or, if you will, un-stressing) that reported 
> or noticed an artifact of my 
> 
> awareness that had just existed without thinking. 
> 
> 
> The art of the writing, acting, and editing were part of it, but I believe it 
> was the cinematography,
> with its use of 70mm film (which is rare today), that more than anything else 
> was essential to making 
> 
> the experience possible for me. 
> 
> 
> Another component of the film that worked the same way for me was Joaquin 
> Phoenix's characterization
> of Freddie Quell, which allowed me to experience---as if for the first 
> time---character types that I
> met as a child who were friends of my father that had served with him in WW2; 
> JP's characterization 
> 
> of Quell had the same effect on me as a number of characters Jim Thompson 
> (writer of "The Getaway" and 
> 
> "The Grifters") created that felt as new, when I read about them in his 
> novels, but reminded me of some
> psychopathic cowboy's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Counts & The Underbelly of FFL

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> azgrey stands in judgment of everyone, just like that other guy - peering 
> down their noses at the rest of us. The stench is immediate. Fuck 'em and 
> their big ideas of themselves. Bunch of little pricks, and a waste of space.

Wow Doc, you don't suffer fools and derelicts very well either. Just let me 
know if I'm getting out of line, okay? I would really hate to become the target 
of your intellect or wrath.  Now, don't mind me, I'll just clear up these 
dishes, mop the floor and prepare your nightcap - sir.

> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey  wrote:
> > (snip)
> > > Do you ever wonder if some of those who project their vile 
> > > inner values while at the same time vociferously arguing 
> > > against post limits, are completely unaware of what they 
> > > reveal of themselves?
> > 
> > I wonder how you characterize the inner values you project.
> > 
> > I mean, besides the hypocrisy.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: We know the Beatles carried on with their TM . . .

[Seraphita]

Googling about my own post to get some background info I came across
this quote from Anita Pallenberg:
"The Maharishi was a dyke from Yorkshire."
I mean, I'm from Yorkshire! But I haven't got a clue what the German
groupie is on about. Can anyone enlighten me?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
>
> Uber-hippies alright.
> I thought the third comment down was a little judgemental:
>
> weskitten   1 year ago
> > dF8alM>
>
> that TM wanker. Bloody curry conman!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
> >
> > Don't you just love those million dollar hippie clothes? Bet Keith
> Richards still meditates... LOL
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >  From: Seraphita s3raphita@
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:53 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] We know the Beatles carried on with their
TM
> . . .
> >
> > Â
> >
> > . . . Â and Paul and Ringo still promote the meditation. But I
> wonder how many members of the Rolling Stones are still repeating
their
> mantras.
> > Not this guy obviously . . .Â
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klx-IDQEwy4Â
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Voldemort a hack? (was The Prerequisites for Enlightenment)

[Bob Price]

From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 7:58:43 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Prerequisites for Enlightenment

>>>And for your information, I dash off things here and send them without
editing them because most of the time I'm just having fun with them.
That, and the audience I'm writing for doesn't meet my standards for
deserving edited copy -- they're not paying me.

>>>For paying customers, I edit. Non-paying customers who don't like
my unedited posts can go suck eggs. Non-paying editors who get off
on editing my posts for me should pay *me*, for providing them with
something to do on those days when they're off work and thus not
busy...uh...editing.   :-)

**

I was thrilled with last weeks *posting without limits*,
it gave me a sense of power and control knowing that I could
respond to any and all of the 1500+ posts that I just finished reading.

One of our illustrious contributors suggested that we might consider a *Best of 
FFL*
going forward, and with that in mind I set myself the difficult task of picking
my favorite subject for the week; it was a challenge (how could anyone best 
Share's attempt
to prove she speaks in tongues), but a decision had to be made and I'm going 
with: 

"Is Voldemort a hack?"

When I read Voldemort's posts I ask myself: "Where's the art?". For someone 
with his
considerable output on FFL, who puts so much effort into selling himself to us 
as 

a creative writer, art seems conspicuously absent from his contributions; this 
might
be less true if you consider manual (or phonebook) writing a creative act.

As he makes clear above, Voldemort is a writer of manuals, and, IMO, when he 
attempts 

anything more than that, the word "hack" pretty much nails what he becomes.

For something to be considered art it's imperative that it have the ability to 
defamiliarize*
by making the familiar, unfamiliar and *new*; Voldemort's posts completely fail 
at this.
OTOH, Judy's choice of the word "hack", to describe Voldemort, is a great 
example of effective
defamiliarization---it gave me a new experience of something that was familiar 
about him.

I also must agree with Judy that irony is the life blood of creative writing 

(writing phonebooks, not as much), and reading Voldemort's attempts at writing 
creatively 

---when he is so handicapped in the irony department (narcissism will do that), 
is like watching 

someone with no hands attempt to show off his penmanship (no "My left foot" 
jokes please). He also
appears to be unable to go beyond cliche and what Martin Amis calls "heard 
words", which make 

his offerings, on this forum at least, quite artless. Anyone who considers 
Voldemort a creative writer
might consider rereading Hemingway (if you are interested in understanding some 
of Kerouac's limitations,
who Voldemort attempts to emulate---without demonstrating any of Kerouac's 
talent as an artist).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abc819rT6wI


The film "The Master" was an example for me of the way art can make the 
familiar *new*; the whole film 

delivered artistically, but the scene where Lancaster Dodd (Philip Seymour 
Hoffman) "Processes" Freddie 

Quell (Joaquin Phoenix)---for the first time, felt in some way like the first 
time I meditated; my experience of 

the scene was familiar and at the same time completely new; part of it was the 
suggestiveness of Dodd's
voice, but more was the scene's transition from Dodd's voice to Quell *living* 
a previous experience
as if for the first time, and the familiarity it had to my first meditation and 
the first superlative 

clarity of the thought (engram or, if you will, un-stressing) that reported or 
noticed an artifact of my 

awareness that had just existed without thinking. 


The art of the writing, acting, and editing were part of it, but I believe it 
was the cinematography,
with its use of 70mm film (which is rare today), that more than anything else 
was essential to making 

the experience possible for me. 


Another component of the film that worked the same way for me was Joaquin 
Phoenix's characterization
of Freddie Quell, which allowed me to experience---as if for the first 
time---character types that I
met as a child who were friends of my father that had served with him in WW2; 
JP's characterization 

of Quell had the same effect on me as a number of characters Jim Thompson 
(writer of "The Getaway" and 

"The Grifters") created that felt as new, when I read about them in his novels, 
but reminded me of some
psychopathic cowboy's my father socialized with. 


I wouldn't disagree that Voldemort's posts are full of conflict (more than one 
detective has found creative
uses for the Yellow Pages, when interviewing a suspect)---and that conflict is 
essential to drama, but conflict 

without art is no more than conflict; Voldemort is also capable of irony, 
although I've yet to read anything
ironic in his posts that was no

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> >  wrote:
> >> 
> >> To make the question more precise, for any given person on FFL, in your 
> >> own estimation, based on the replies you get and the posts directed to you 
> >> either directly or indirectly, is there a range somewhere within 0% to 
> >> 100% for which you feel you can accurately estimate or guesstimate the 
> >> motives a person has in making such a post? I would assume that the 
> >> percentage would vary with the person.
> > 
> > If I may put in my two cents here:
> > 
> > This is an interesting question but I think everyone in answering someone's 
> > post evaluates where that person is 'coming from' when posting something. 
> > How sincere are they? How much are they trying to push buttons? To what 
> > degree does a poster really not know the answer to something and is merely 
> > looking for attention? Is the poster open to whatever feedback they are 
> > presumably asking you for? All of these things and many, many more are 
> > analyzed, consciously or unconsciously, when deciding whether to reply to 
> > someone or not. 
> > 
> > Having assessed all these things a response will be forthcoming. I think 
> > that I can accurately assess where a person is 'coming from' about 90% of 
> > the time. Part of this is past history watching various people interact and 
> > knowing who they like, who they don't like and how they tend to communicate 
> > - their style, their tools, their verbal weaponry, their personality as it 
> > appears here at FFL. Buck is one of the few who is the most mysterious of 
> > anybody to me. Those who know him personally will know what he is all about 
> > but based on his FFL presence I really couldn't tell you with any real 
> > accuracy who he is.
> 
> That is a pretty good percentage. I could never claim to scope out someone 
> that well, I have to hedge my bets when I try to do that. I was never good at 
> it.
> 
> About Buck. Yes, he is rather unusual. I tend to think of him as something 
> out the mid-19th century, way before even my time. Share said something about 
> meeting Buck; I got the impression he had the same effect in person. As I 
> asked in portions of this post snipped away here these questions of Judy, I 
> do not know whether I will get a reasoned reply or I should put on body 
> armour, or take a vacation to Madagascar. Generally I get the impression she 
> is irritated with me most of the time. But I really am not good at this.

Aww, Xeno. Don't worry. Judy isn't THAT scary. She is sharp as a tack, quick as 
a whip and definitely doesn't seem to suffer fools very well but I sense her 
heart is actually deep and true and very red. I think her bark is worse than 
her bite and she can drop her annoyance quickly and easily. I love that she can 
be downright ruthless one moment and be very happy to engage positively and 
enthusiastically with the same person the next moment. Just don't lie to her, 
try and manipulate a situation or act in a way that indicates laziness or 
sloppiness with regard to posting history and assertions thereof. She'll get 
you every time. Here is the thing, I would rather get a whupping by Ms Stein 
than a spit ball in the face by a few others around here.

>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
>> 
>> To make the question more precise, for any given person on FFL, in your own 
>> estimation, based on the replies you get and the posts directed to you 
>> either directly or indirectly, is there a range somewhere within 0% to 100% 
>> for which you feel you can accurately estimate or guesstimate the motives a 
>> person has in making such a post? I would assume that the percentage would 
>> vary with the person.
> 
> If I may put in my two cents here:
> 
> This is an interesting question but I think everyone in answering someone's 
> post evaluates where that person is 'coming from' when posting something. How 
> sincere are they? How much are they trying to push buttons? To what degree 
> does a poster really not know the answer to something and is merely looking 
> for attention? Is the poster open to whatever feedback they are presumably 
> asking you for? All of these things and many, many more are analyzed, 
> consciously or unconsciously, when deciding whether to reply to someone or 
> not. 
> 
> Having assessed all these things a response will be forthcoming. I think that 
> I can accurately assess where a person is 'coming from' about 90% of the 
> time. Part of this is past history watching various people interact and 
> knowing who they like, who they don't like and how they tend to communicate - 
> their style, their tools, their verbal weaponry, their personality as it 
> appears here at FFL. Buck is one of the few who is the most mysterious of 
> anybody to me. Those who know him personally will know what he is all about 
> but based on his FFL presence I really couldn't tell you with any real 
> accuracy who he is.

That is a pretty good percentage. I could never claim to scope out someone that 
well, I have to hedge my bets when I try to do that. I was never good at it.

About Buck. Yes, he is rather unusual. I tend to think of him as something out 
the mid-19th century, way before even my time. Share said something about 
meeting Buck; I got the impression he had the same effect in person. As I asked 
in portions of this post snipped away here these questions of Judy, I do not 
know whether I will get a reasoned reply or I should put on body armour, or 
take a vacation to Madagascar. Generally I get the impression she is irritated 
with me most of the time. But I really am not good at this.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Counts & The Underbelly of FFL

[doctordumbass]

azgrey stands in judgment of everyone, just like that other guy - peering down 
their noses at the rest of us. The stench is immediate. Fuck 'em and their big 
ideas of themselves. Bunch of little pricks, and a waste of space.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey  wrote:
> (snip)
> > Do you ever wonder if some of those who project their vile 
> > inner values while at the same time vociferously arguing 
> > against post limits, are completely unaware of what they 
> > reveal of themselves?
> 
> I wonder how you characterize the inner values you project.
> 
> I mean, besides the hypocrisy.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Counts & The Underbelly of FFL

[doctordumbass]

Seems like you two are almost writing in English, but the complete lack of 
examples, names, contrasts and any sort of fucking point, makes it difficult to 
tell. Peace, bro.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> >
> > The Underbelly of FFL
> > Recently I was in the Big City, I wanted to see again the place where my
> > family came into the United States; so I took a trip to see Ellis
> > Island, which unfortunately was closed due to Hurricane Sandy damage,
> > though I could see it from afar. It was made into a park in 1954.
> > FFL to me is kind of like seeing New York from a distance at first, big
> > imposing, beautiful. Ah! FFL is about spirituality!
> >   [New York Skyline]
> > But as one approaches closer, one begins to grasp that there is a hustle
> > and bustle that belies that deceptively serene appearance that one might
> > have on distant approach.
> >   [Fifth Avenue, New York City]
> > Finally one gets close enough, there seems to be a dark current of decay
> > and corruption as one looks under the surface.
> >   [Underbelly of New York City]
> > 
> > The Big Apple seems more chewed up down below than I can remember, and
> > now with posting limits off on FFL, it is more difficult to find the
> > beauty among the lines here at FFL now that the dark undercurrents have
> > been given full reign, the untrammeled desire of mere human intrigue and
> > he said/she said dialogues take to the fore, the mental equivalent of
> > flapping jaw muscles, the nourishing equivalent of junk food.
> > 
> > Still, there are some gems in here. Before it was like tunneling for
> > gold. Now it is like strip mining, and sifting through tons of material
> > to get to some pure shining metal.
> > 
> > In some ways though, this also dilutes the inner corruption. With the
> > reduced posting, the dark side becomes in some ways more visible, gets
> > more concentrated, the vile tendencies of human psyches to project their
> > inner value to the surface for all to see.
> >
> 
> Wonderfully written and a brilliant insight Xeno.
> 
> The gold is there but stopping by to just pan a bit, as I do, 
> is certainly a more arduous task. 
> 
> Do you ever wonder if some of those who project their vile 
> inner values while at the same time vociferously arguing 
> against post limits, are completely unaware of what they 
> reveal of themselves?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: We know the Beatles carried on with their TM . . .

[Seraphita]

Uber-hippies alright.
I thought the third comment down was a little judgemental:

weskitten   1 year ago


that TM wanker. Bloody curry conman!






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> Don't you just love those million dollar hippie clothes? Bet Keith
Richards still meditates... LOL
>
>
>
> 
>  From: Seraphita s3raphita@...
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:53 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] We know the Beatles carried on with their TM
. . .
>
> Â
>
> . . . Â and Paul and Ringo still promote the meditation. But I
wonder how many members of the Rolling Stones are still repeating their
mantras.
> Not this guy obviously . . .Â
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klx-IDQEwy4Â
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] We know the Beatles carried on with their TM . . .

[Mike Dixon]

Don't you just love those million dollar hippie clothes? Bet Keith Richards 
still meditates... LOL

 


 From: Seraphita 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:53 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] We know the Beatles carried on with their TM . . .
  
   
 
. . .  and Paul and Ringo still promote the meditation. But I wonder how many 
members of the Rolling Stones are still repeating their mantras.
Not this guy obviously . . . 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klx-IDQEwy4    
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Violence in Oakland forces residents to seek private security

[Mike Dixon]

I would be more inclined to believe it is a lack of education that leads to 
unemployment, then to poverty, then violence. But who knows, maybe those 
streets really *f* up ones mental state. Are Oakland's streets any worse than 
Chicago's? How far is Chicago from Fairfield? Shouldn't there be some 
*spill-over* there? Just sayin'

 


 From: John 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:44 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Violence in Oakland forces residents to seek 
private security
  
   
 
Emptybill,

TMers in Oakland should get together to meditate to enliven the Maharishi 
Effect.  Also, the Lynch Foundation should teach TM to some of the public 
schools over there to bring peace in the schools.  The Foundation has already 
been successful in teaching TM to the youth in one of the public schools in San 
Francisco, CA.

Further, the streets in Oakland, CA are not aligned in a grid with the main 
cardinal directions.  If you drive by over there at night, you can easily get 
lost.  IMO, this is a contributing factor to the violence there, in addition to 
poverty, lack of education and unemployment.

JR

--- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  
wrote:
>
> 
> (Not appearing in the Oakland Tribune but appearing at your door)
> 
> Violence in Oakland forces residents to seek private security
> 
> By John BlackstoneAugust 17, 2013 7:12 PM
> 
>   (CBS News) OAKLAND, Calif. - There has been 61 murders so far in
> Oakland, California. And with crime on the rise, some neighbors are
> taking extraordinary steps.
> 
> Gunfire has become so common on the streets of Oakland, California --
> that even in neighborhoods that once seemed immune to the city's
> violence, residents are no longer shocked.
> 
> Jan Hetherington has lived for 14 years in the Oakland, California
> neighborhood of Maxwell Park. Yet she acknowledged she has to bring in
> private security to feel safe.
> 
> "It's like, 'Oh, another shooting,'" said Jan Hetherington, who has
> lived for 14 years in the Oakland neighborhood of Maxwell Park. It's a
> place with glorious views across San Francisco Bay, neat houses and
> friendly neighbors.
> 
> "This is the most wonderful neighborhood I've ever lived in," she said.
> Yet she acknowledged she has to bring in private security to feel safe.
> 
> With budget cuts forcing Oakland to trim its police force by a third,
> residents decided to pay themselves for private security patrols, which
> is understandable when you hear this from Hetherington.
> 
> "A car came down the street, three guys got out with a gun. There was a
> gun battle three blocks over. And I did hear actually a bullet went
> through somebody's house."
> 
> That routine gunfire turned tragic last month.
> 
> "Our neighbor Judy, who lived in the next block to me, was shot and
> killed," said Hetherington.
> 
> Judy Salamon, a 66-year-old dog walker, was murdered as she drove home.
> Who did it and why is unknown. Neighbors gathering at the spot where she
> died fear that if it could happen to Salamon, it could happen to anyone.
> 
> Pastor Gregg Brown was threatened at gunpoint by someone who had
> complained about a noisy power washer used to clean the church.
> 
> Pastor Gregg Brown moved here nine years ago. Even he has been
> threatened at gunpoint, right outside his Lutheran church
> 
> "I was scared and I'm still scared," he said.
> 
> The man with the gun complained about the noisy power washer used to
> clean the church sidewalk. Brown was told to stop or he'll be shot.
> "That's how close the crime is," he said.
> 
> Eighty-one-year-old Joyce Nichelini has lived Maxwell Park for 42 years.
> 
> "I lock a gate now and I lock my door and I have alarms. I even put bars
> on my house," she said. Yet she acknowledged she doesn't feel safe.
>

   
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> >  wrote:
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> >>>  wrote:
> >> 
> >>> As I believe I said above, "You can imagine to a certain
> >>> extent what it would be like for *you* to be a bat or to
> >>> be your identical twin brother..."
> >>> 
> >>> Now, I know you read that, because you asked me what "a
> >>> certain extent" was. So why are you asking that question
> >>> as though I hadn't already covered it?
> >> 
> >> I was inquiring as to the range of that extent, perhaps not
> >> clearly. In other words, how far from 100% accuracy would
> >> you say your descriptions of people's motives range? 10%, 30%?
> > 
> > That also varies.
> > 
> > But you aren't really describing your question accurately,
> > are you? It was actually confrontational and accusatory,
> > wasn't it?
> 
> To make the question more precise, for any given person on FFL, in your own 
> estimation, based on the replies you get and the posts directed to you either 
> directly or indirectly, is there a range somewhere within 0% to 100% for 
> which you feel you can accurately estimate or guesstimate the motives a 
> person has in making such a post? I would assume that the percentage would 
> vary with the person.

If I may put in my two cents here:

This is an interesting question but I think everyone in answering someone's 
post evaluates where that person is 'coming from' when posting something. How 
sincere are they? How much are they trying to push buttons? To what degree does 
a poster really not know the answer to something and is merely looking for 
attention? Is the poster open to whatever feedback they are presumably asking 
you for? All of these things and many, many more are analyzed, consciously or 
unconsciously, when deciding whether to reply to someone or not. 

Having assessed all these things a response will be forthcoming. I think that I 
can accurately assess where a person is 'coming from' about 90% of the time. 
Part of this is past history watching various people interact and knowing who 
they like, who they don't like and how they tend to communicate - their style, 
their tools, their verbal weaponry, their personality as it appears here at 
FFL. Buck is one of the few who is the most mysterious of anybody to me. Those 
who know him personally will know what he is all about but based on his FFL 
presence I really couldn't tell you with any real accuracy who he is.


> 
> Now your last comment above is not relevant to my question in the previous 
> post, but since you brought it up, this last comment of yours seems to me a 
> diversion, and to me sounds confrontational and accusatory. Now I said 
> sounds, since I might be mistaken, but to me it is in line with your posting 
> 'style'. Why do you feel you are being accused? Further, in *my opinion* I do 
> sometimes think you go over the top in describing other people's motives, and 
> my subjective interpretation is you are projecting your internal state, your 
> opinion of the situation, onto that person. Now that is *my* projection. Now 
> take Barry. He grossly exaggerates often in his posts, is often rather 
> unkind, exceptionally unkind occasionally. But overall, my subjective 
> interpretation of what he writes is he is not usually intense about it, but 
> when you do it, it feels very intense. That is, what he says in like vein is 
> not important to him nearly to the degree what you say is important to you. 
> 
> Getting blasted by Barry, and getting blasted by you are, for me, entirely 
> different experiences. For me, that recent post to Share was the only one, of 
> the ones of Barry's I have read recently that comes close to your intensity. 
> It makes me wonder if somewhere in your life history your method of 
> responding to people developed in response to some less than pleasant events, 
> or it could a family characteristic. Some people seem inclined to 
> confrontation and argument more than others. So in reply to your last 
> comment, aside from the question I asked about percentages, I do think you 
> are confrontational and accusatory. I am stating this as if it were a fact. 
> But the other side of the coin is, do you think yourself that you are this 
> way or not?
> 
> Do the people on the forum who are generally favourable to you think you are 
> confrontational and accusatory? There would seem to be a range of opinion on 
> this issue. I would assume that those who thought you were would tend to be 
> more favourable in Barry's direction, and those who felt you were not would 
> not be favourable to Barry, and even if they thought you were confrontational 
> and accusatory, would feel it was justified as you championed ideas and an 
> outlo

[FairfieldLife] We know the Beatles carried on with their TM . . .

[Seraphita]

. . .  and Paul and Ringo still promote the meditation. But I wonder how
many members of the Rolling Stones are still repeating their mantras.
Not this guy obviously . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klx-IDQEwy4
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Violence in Oakland forces residents to seek private security

[John]

Emptybill,

TMers in Oakland should get together to meditate to enliven the Maharishi 
Effect.  Also, the Lynch Foundation should teach TM to some of the public 
schools over there to bring peace in the schools.  The Foundation has already 
been successful in teaching TM to the youth in one of the public schools in San 
Francisco, CA.

Further, the streets in Oakland, CA are not aligned in a grid with the main 
cardinal directions.  If you drive by over there at night, you can easily get 
lost.  IMO, this is a contributing factor to the violence there, in addition to 
poverty, lack of education and unemployment.

JR


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
>
> 
> (Not appearing in the Oakland Tribune but appearing at your door)
> 
> Violence in Oakland forces residents to seek private security
> 
> By John BlackstoneAugust 17, 2013 7:12 PM
> 
>   (CBS News) OAKLAND, Calif. - There has been 61 murders so far in
> Oakland, California. And with crime on the rise, some neighbors are
> taking extraordinary steps.
> 
> Gunfire has become so common on the streets of Oakland, California --
> that even in neighborhoods that once seemed immune to the city's
> violence, residents are no longer shocked.
> 
> Jan Hetherington has lived for 14 years in the Oakland, California
> neighborhood of Maxwell Park. Yet she acknowledged she has to bring in
> private security to feel safe.
> 
> "It's like, 'Oh, another shooting,'" said Jan Hetherington, who has
> lived for 14 years in the Oakland neighborhood of Maxwell Park. It's a
> place with glorious views across San Francisco Bay, neat houses and
> friendly neighbors.
> 
> "This is the most wonderful neighborhood I've ever lived in," she said.
> Yet she acknowledged she has to bring in private security to feel safe.
> 
> With budget cuts forcing Oakland to trim its police force by a third,
> residents decided to pay themselves for private security patrols, which
> is understandable when you hear this from Hetherington.
> 
> "A car came down the street, three guys got out with a gun. There was a
> gun battle three blocks over. And I did hear actually a bullet went
> through somebody's house."
> 
> That routine gunfire turned tragic last month.
> 
> "Our neighbor Judy, who lived in the next block to me, was shot and
> killed," said Hetherington.
> 
> Judy Salamon, a 66-year-old dog walker, was murdered as she drove home.
> Who did it and why is unknown. Neighbors gathering at the spot where she
> died fear that if it could happen to Salamon, it could happen to anyone.
> 
> Pastor Gregg Brown was threatened at gunpoint by someone who had
> complained about a noisy power washer used to clean the church.
> 
> Pastor Gregg Brown moved here nine years ago. Even he has been
> threatened at gunpoint, right outside his Lutheran church
> 
> "I was scared and I'm still scared," he said.
> 
> The man with the gun complained about the noisy power washer used to
> clean the church sidewalk. Brown was told to stop or he'll be shot.
> "That's how close the crime is," he said.
> 
> Eighty-one-year-old Joyce Nichelini has lived Maxwell Park for 42 years.
> 
> "I lock a gate now and I lock my door and I have alarms. I even put bars
> on my house," she said. Yet she acknowledged she doesn't feel safe.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL looks different this morning

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
>
> 
> Azgrey, if Ann (sorry to bring you in this, Ann.) and I need to keep our 
> hands above the covers, when "thinking of you," (how in the heck did Ann and 
> I get in the same bed, anyways) DID YOU FIND IT, AZGREY?
> 
> ATTN: If Azgrey's experience can only imagine a "wet spot," that tells a lot 
> about his lacking any tantric ability, right there. 

Obba, as much as you're cool and we could hang out together I am not sure how I 
got included in AZ's post about mistaken identity along with you. I think it 
was, for him, a case of mistaken post reading and attribution but, well, here 
we are - you and me - together naturally. I am getting the distinct impression, 
however, that he might want to back out of this while he still has a face and, 
presumably, a set of balls because with you and I batting for the same team the 
guy doesn't stand a chance. Shall we go easy on him and let him slink away or 
shall we play a little cat and mouse first?
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey  wrote:
> >
> > Dearest Obbajeeba, 
> > 
> > You and Ann need to keep your hands above the covers
> > when thinking of me, although I believe you to be quite
> > used to sleeping on the wet spot.
> > 
> > This is not the first time you have asserted I am iranitea
> > or one of the other names he has used. While I find him to
> > be a perspicacious fellow, and completely agree with his 
> > assessment of the junkyard dog, I am not he.  
> > 
> > Carry on, 
> > 
> > Fifty Shades Of Azgrey
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> > >
> > > Here, Zarzari, azgrey, irantea,
> > > 
> > > Lunch for you!   At least a new/old marketing idea involving food and
> > > enlightenment!
> > > 
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNdEW6vQRFI
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > This is hilarious, Judy calling me mentally disabled. If you want to
> > > > see that condition, check out her recent exchanges with Lawson about
> > > > Robin; then her recent exchanges with Nabby; and again her recent
> > > > exchanges with iranatea about Robin. Think of a perfume whose name
> > > > starts with O!
> > > >
> > > > Share, first of all thanks for your warm welcome. I think Judy, if you
> > > > leave her alone for some time, will just find about anybody she will
> > > > battle with and fight. If all of Judy's enemies leave FFL, she will
> > > > fight her friends, whoever is left.  She is like a cannibal. Just sit
> > > > back and watch whom  she is devouring next. All you have to do is, sit
> > > > back and watch whom she is going after next.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Secret Canyon

[azgrey]

Good stuff and thanks for the heads up! 

I have worn out many a pair of boots exploring sites like this. 
The sense of wonder produced is incredible. 

Nearly 30 years ago my girlfriend and I were invited to look around on private 
land
at some ruins in the hills just north of Cave Creek, AZ.. That area has been
inhabited for thousands of years as a water spring there runs year round.
An area not too terribly far from where I live that is now inhabited by the
ubiquitous red tile roofs of mansions.  I believe that spring that comes up from
under Black Mountain was the site of the original stagecoach stop in these
here parts. I had a vague sense of unease all day. My gf had already been there
a 1/2 dozen times.

Items better left for expert examination were being collected by the owner
of the land to be sold on the black/gray market. Having read my share of 
Tony Hillerman, I knew assholes like him were referred to as "thieves of 
time." I wanted no part of assisting his actions and told him so. He made it
clear that he wished my gf had not brought me as he had a lot of money at 
stake. Fucking felonious grave robber.   

My sense of unease reached a peak when my gf, who felt what she was doing was 
not only ok but completely grand, reached down and picked up a nearly 
intact pot/bowl. Broken but whole. The group of them carefully cleaned 
it and became very quiet when it was found to contain what appeared to be
an intact fetus. I got a serious case of the willies and left, never to return. 
My gf stayed, went back weekly, and made sure I knew she didn't appreciate
my moralizing. She tried to give me what appeared to me to be pre-columbian
shards but i told her to never bring them around me and keep them the fuck
outta my home. 

An odd and tragic, in a sense, thing happened about a month to six weeks later. 
My gf was rushed to the hospital due to severe abdominal pain and hemorrhaging.
She was found to be having a miscarriage of a tubular pregnancy. Her trauma was 
exponentially increased by her feeling that it was a payback for her actions in 
the hills above Cave Creek. Do you know the Buddhist sutta of the 2 Arrows? 
Like that. 

I'm not much of a woo-woo kinda cat, but I've rarely had the willies like I had 
contemplating that whole thang. 

Here is a good article about Range Creek:

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/range_creek_ranch.html

http://goo.gl/KLLQJZ

I have done a considerable about of hiking in that part of the world but have 
never
been there. Yet. 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> If you're at all interested in archeology, or have spent time exploring
> the ancient (12th-13th century) Native American sites of America, you
> might find this 26-minute Scientific American special about Range Creek.
> It's the largest, most pristine (undisturbed by looters or tourists)
> site ever found in North America.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQnbgEGek1c&feature=share
> 
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL looks different this morning

[obbajeeba]

Azgrey, if Ann (sorry to bring you in this, Ann.) and I need to keep our hands 
above the covers, when "thinking of you," (how in the heck did Ann and I get in 
the same bed, anyways) DID YOU FIND IT, AZGREY?

ATTN: If Azgrey's experience can only imagine a "wet spot," that tells a lot 
about his lacking any tantric ability, right there. 


 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey  wrote:
>
> Dearest Obbajeeba, 
> 
> You and Ann need to keep your hands above the covers
> when thinking of me, although I believe you to be quite
> used to sleeping on the wet spot.
> 
> This is not the first time you have asserted I am iranitea
> or one of the other names he has used. While I find him to
> be a perspicacious fellow, and completely agree with his 
> assessment of the junkyard dog, I am not he.  
> 
> Carry on, 
> 
> Fifty Shades Of Azgrey
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> >
> > Here, Zarzari, azgrey, irantea,
> > 
> > Lunch for you!   At least a new/old marketing idea involving food and
> > enlightenment!
> > 
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNdEW6vQRFI
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This is hilarious, Judy calling me mentally disabled. If you want to
> > > see that condition, check out her recent exchanges with Lawson about
> > > Robin; then her recent exchanges with Nabby; and again her recent
> > > exchanges with iranatea about Robin. Think of a perfume whose name
> > > starts with O!
> > >
> > > Share, first of all thanks for your warm welcome. I think Judy, if you
> > > leave her alone for some time, will just find about anybody she will
> > > battle with and fight. If all of Judy's enemies leave FFL, she will
> > > fight her friends, whoever is left.  She is like a cannibal. Just sit
> > > back and watch whom  she is devouring next. All you have to do is, sit
> > > back and watch whom she is going after next.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Post Count Mon 19-Aug-13 00:15:05 UTC

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scenes One Sees While Peoplewatching In Avignon

[Share Long]

Fairfield Kindergarten (-:





 From: authfriend 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 6:34 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scenes One Sees While Peoplewatching In Avignon
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish.
> Albert Einstein

Oh, how almost unbearably profound in the FFK context.
Einstein would be proud.

> 
>  From: authfriend 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 12:12 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scenes One Sees While Peoplewatching In Avignon
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Judy, when I consider your saying that I've "(foolishly) trying
> > to be *nice* to" turq for less than 17 months and remember that
> > you've been foolishly arguing with him for more than 17 years,
> > then I don't feel so foolish any more.
> 
> That is extraordinarily foolish of you.


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
>>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> As I believe I said above, "You can imagine to a certain
>>> extent what it would be like for *you* to be a bat or to
>>> be your identical twin brother..."
>>> 
>>> Now, I know you read that, because you asked me what "a
>>> certain extent" was. So why are you asking that question
>>> as though I hadn't already covered it?
>> 
>> I was inquiring as to the range of that extent, perhaps not
>> clearly. In other words, how far from 100% accuracy would
>> you say your descriptions of people's motives range? 10%, 30%?
> 
> That also varies.
> 
> But you aren't really describing your question accurately,
> are you? It was actually confrontational and accusatory,
> wasn't it?

To make the question more precise, for any given person on FFL, in your own 
estimation, based on the replies you get and the posts directed to you either 
directly or indirectly, is there a range somewhere within 0% to 100% for which 
you feel you can accurately estimate or guesstimate the motives a person has in 
making such a post? I would assume that the percentage would vary with the 
person.

Now your last comment above is not relevant to my question in the previous 
post, but since you brought it up, this last comment of yours seems to me a 
diversion, and to me sounds confrontational and accusatory. Now I said sounds, 
since I might be mistaken, but to me it is in line with your posting 'style'. 
Why do you feel you are being accused? Further, in *my opinion* I do sometimes 
think you go over the top in describing other people's motives, and my 
subjective interpretation is you are projecting your internal state, your 
opinion of the situation, onto that person. Now that is *my* projection. Now 
take Barry. He grossly exaggerates often in his posts, is often rather unkind, 
exceptionally unkind occasionally. But overall, my subjective interpretation of 
what he writes is he is not usually intense about it, but when you do it, it 
feels very intense. That is, what he says in like vein is not important to him 
nearly to the degree what you say is important to you. 

Getting blasted by Barry, and getting blasted by you are, for me, entirely 
different experiences. For me, that recent post to Share was the only one, of 
the ones of Barry's I have read recently that comes close to your intensity. It 
makes me wonder if somewhere in your life history your method of responding to 
people developed in response to some less than pleasant events, or it could a 
family characteristic. Some people seem inclined to confrontation and argument 
more than others. So in reply to your last comment, aside from the question I 
asked about percentages, I do think you are confrontational and accusatory. I 
am stating this as if it were a fact. But the other side of the coin is, do you 
think yourself that you are this way or not?

Do the people on the forum who are generally favourable to you think you are 
confrontational and accusatory? There would seem to be a range of opinion on 
this issue. I would assume that those who thought you were would tend to be 
more favourable in Barry's direction, and those who felt you were not would not 
be favourable to Barry, and even if they thought you were confrontational and 
accusatory, would feel it was justified as you championed ideas and an outlook 
on life they were more comfortable with.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Scenes One Sees While Peoplewatching In Avignon

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
(snip)
> Oh, how almost unbearably profound in the FFK context.

FFL context!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Scenes One Sees While Peoplewatching In Avignon

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish.
> Albert Einstein

Oh, how almost unbearably profound in the FFK context.
Einstein would be proud.

 
> 
>  From: authfriend 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 12:12 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scenes One Sees While Peoplewatching In Avignon
>  
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Judy, when I consider your saying that I've "(foolishly) trying
> > to be *nice* to" turq for less than 17 months and remember that
> > you've been foolishly arguing with him for more than 17 years,
> > then I don't feel so foolish any more.
> 
> That is extraordinarily foolish of you.

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL looks different this morning

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey  wrote:
>
> Dearest Obbajeeba, 
> 
> You and Ann need to keep your hands above the covers
> when thinking of me, although I believe you to be quite
> used to sleeping on the wet spot.

AZ, I have never mistaken you for anyone other than who you are which happens 
to be someone with a case of chronic ill temper, acid reflux and apparent bug 
up his ass. No wet spots for me, I'm always on top.
> 
> This is not the first time you have asserted I am iranitea
> or one of the other names he has used. While I find him to
> be a perspicacious fellow, and completely agree with his 
> assessment of the junkyard dog, I am not he.  
> 
> Carry on, 
> 
> Fifty Shades Of Azgrey
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> >
> > Here, Zarzari, azgrey, irantea,
> > 
> > Lunch for you!   At least a new/old marketing idea involving food and
> > enlightenment!
> > 
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNdEW6vQRFI
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This is hilarious, Judy calling me mentally disabled. If you want to
> > > see that condition, check out her recent exchanges with Lawson about
> > > Robin; then her recent exchanges with Nabby; and again her recent
> > > exchanges with iranatea about Robin. Think of a perfume whose name
> > > starts with O!
> > >
> > > Share, first of all thanks for your warm welcome. I think Judy, if you
> > > leave her alone for some time, will just find about anybody she will
> > > battle with and fight. If all of Judy's enemies leave FFL, she will
> > > fight her friends, whoever is left.  She is like a cannibal. Just sit
> > > back and watch whom  she is devouring next. All you have to do is, sit
> > > back and watch whom she is going after next.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Counts & The Underbelly of FFL

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey  wrote:
(snip)
> Do you ever wonder if some of those who project their vile 
> inner values while at the same time vociferously arguing 
> against post limits, are completely unaware of what they 
> reveal of themselves?

I wonder how you characterize the inner values you project.

I mean, besides the hypocrisy.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Fri 16-Aug-13 00:15:06 UTC

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
>
> Yep, exaggeration is the essence of your proclamations:
> 
> I'm also free to ignore the friend who repeatedly beats her dog.
> I am free to ignore the woman who has fallen in the street and can't get
> up.
> I am free to ignore the fact that my house is on fire.
> I am free to ignore the fact that I am bleeding from a knife wound in my
> neck.
> I am free to ignore a baby bird who has just fallen out of a nest.
> 
> Yep, it's limitless calamity, horror and destruction if you let Barry
> say whatever, as your examples so effortlessly demonstrate.

You must live a very subdued life indeed if you think my examples above are 
characteristic of "limitless calamity, horror and destruction". Baby birds, 
tripping women and a beaten dog are hardly calamitous as unpleasant as they may 
be. You need to get out more, oh empty one. I, in the meantime, will continue 
to address what I feel needs addressing, be it a knife in the neck or your 
characteristically dry and humourless configurations of words you call "posts".
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote:
> > >
> > > But are you free enough not to need
> > > to indulge in exaggerated claims?
> >
> > What "claims" are you talking about? Are you talking about the fact
> that I have the freedom to ignore just about anything, including Barry?
> Is that exaggerated? Or was I saying that to ignore Barry is nearly
> impossible because he is about as benign as any of those things listed
> below which, is to say, not very.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Now it can be told -
> > > > >
> > > > > People who don't like Barry's posts
> > > > > are always free to ignore them.
> > > >
> > > > I'm also free to ignore the friend who repeatedly beats her dog.
> > > > I am free to ignore the woman who has fallen in the street and
> can't
> > > get up.
> > > > I am free to ignore the fact that my house is on fire.
> > > > I am free to ignore the fact that I am bleeding from a knife wound
> in
> > > my neck.
> > > > I am free to ignore a baby bird who has just fallen out of a nest.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > This type of selective attention  is the refuge of
> > > > > anyone who realizes that human life is temporary.
> > > > >
> > > > > When evaluated by that standard, a large number
> > > > > of FFL denizens of must be "heavenly immortals".
> > > > >
> > > > > How refreshing to find this out.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
> > > > > j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm referring to Barry being hugely in favor of posting
> > > > > > > limits that are, at this point, all about Judy. Which
> > > > > > > is not to say that others are not equally focused on Barry.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 206 posts' worth this past week, either replying
> > > > > > to something I posted, or mentioning me, just from
> > > > > > the four core members of the MGC alone. Overall,
> > > > > > subtracting the posts *I* made from the total, I'm
> > > > > > mentioned or cited in over a third of all posts.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think one could make a case for "focused on." :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Counts & The Underbelly of FFL

[azgrey]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> The Underbelly of FFL
> Recently I was in the Big City, I wanted to see again the place where my
> family came into the United States; so I took a trip to see Ellis
> Island, which unfortunately was closed due to Hurricane Sandy damage,
> though I could see it from afar. It was made into a park in 1954.
> FFL to me is kind of like seeing New York from a distance at first, big
> imposing, beautiful. Ah! FFL is about spirituality!
>   [New York Skyline]
> But as one approaches closer, one begins to grasp that there is a hustle
> and bustle that belies that deceptively serene appearance that one might
> have on distant approach.
>   [Fifth Avenue, New York City]
> Finally one gets close enough, there seems to be a dark current of decay
> and corruption as one looks under the surface.
>   [Underbelly of New York City]
> 
> The Big Apple seems more chewed up down below than I can remember, and
> now with posting limits off on FFL, it is more difficult to find the
> beauty among the lines here at FFL now that the dark undercurrents have
> been given full reign, the untrammeled desire of mere human intrigue and
> he said/she said dialogues take to the fore, the mental equivalent of
> flapping jaw muscles, the nourishing equivalent of junk food.
> 
> Still, there are some gems in here. Before it was like tunneling for
> gold. Now it is like strip mining, and sifting through tons of material
> to get to some pure shining metal.
> 
> In some ways though, this also dilutes the inner corruption. With the
> reduced posting, the dark side becomes in some ways more visible, gets
> more concentrated, the vile tendencies of human psyches to project their
> inner value to the surface for all to see.
>

Wonderfully written and a brilliant insight Xeno.

The gold is there but stopping by to just pan a bit, as I do, 
is certainly a more arduous task. 

Do you ever wonder if some of those who project their vile 
inner values while at the same time vociferously arguing 
against post limits, are completely unaware of what they 
reveal of themselves?  
  

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL looks different this morning

[azgrey]

Dearest Obbajeeba, 

You and Ann need to keep your hands above the covers
when thinking of me, although I believe you to be quite
used to sleeping on the wet spot.

This is not the first time you have asserted I am iranitea
or one of the other names he has used. While I find him to
be a perspicacious fellow, and completely agree with his 
assessment of the junkyard dog, I am not he.  

Carry on, 

Fifty Shades Of Azgrey

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
>
> Here, Zarzari, azgrey, irantea,
> 
> Lunch for you!   At least a new/old marketing idea involving food and
> enlightenment!
> 
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNdEW6vQRFI
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea  wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > This is hilarious, Judy calling me mentally disabled. If you want to
> > see that condition, check out her recent exchanges with Lawson about
> > Robin; then her recent exchanges with Nabby; and again her recent
> > exchanges with iranatea about Robin. Think of a perfume whose name
> > starts with O!
> >
> > Share, first of all thanks for your warm welcome. I think Judy, if you
> > leave her alone for some time, will just find about anybody she will
> > battle with and fight. If all of Judy's enemies leave FFL, she will
> > fight her friends, whoever is left.  She is like a cannibal. Just sit
> > back and watch whom  she is devouring next. All you have to do is, sit
> > back and watch whom she is going after next.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chilling

[azgrey]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:

> Did you follow up the show by watching "Talking Bad"?  Vince Gilligan 
> was there and the "Leaves of Grass" thing was discussed. BTW, Bryan 
> Cranston, who directed this episode, suggested to Dean Norris that to 
> play it that he ran out of toilet paper and to start to rip the page out 
> of the book and notice it.  Dean didn't go with it though.
>


No I did not Barry2. Did'nt know it even existed. Thank you for pointing
it out to me. Earlier in the week the BB website wouldn't let me watch the 
segment you referred to, only a highlight portion, because I couldn't
sign-in from one of the 4 cable companies they gave as options. Today
it streamed clear as day. Go figure.

There is an interview with Dean Norris floating around, done after this
episode was aired, in which he points out that the garage scene was filmed 
2 completely different ways and he was not privy to which would be used.
The one not aired was the script version and was protracted violence. 
Apparently Norris and Cranston felt it could and should be played differently.
as we saw. 
  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chilling

[azgrey]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:

> Did you follow up the show by watching "Talking Bad"?  Vince Gilligan 
> was there and the "Leaves of Grass" thing was discussed. BTW, Bryan 
> Cranston, who directed this episode, suggested to Dean Norris that to 
> play it that he ran out of toilet paper and to start to rip the page out 
> of the book and notice it.  Dean didn't go with it though.
>
 
No I did not Barry2. Did know it even existed. Thank you for pointing
it out to me. Earlier in the week the BB website wouldn't let me watch the 
segment you referred to, only a highlight portion, because I couldn't
sign-in from one of the 4 cable companies they gave as options. Today
it streamed clear as day. Go figure.

There is an interview with Dean Norris floating around, done after this
episode was aired, in which he points out that the garage scene was filmed 
2 completely different ways and he was not privy to which would be used.
The one not aired was the script version and was protracted violence. 
Apparently Norris and Cranston felt it could and should be played differently.
as we saw. 
  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chilling

[azgrey]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey  wrote:
> >
> > Spoiler alert Events of season 5.2 revealed here. 
> 
> No problemo. Thanks for the spoiler notice, but I've
> seen it twice now. Fellow addict here. Others, BE
> WARNED.
> 
> > The way Walt made baby Holly "wave goodbye" to Hank. 
> > The little high pitched sweet voice. Chilling. Made 
> > my skin crawl. Completely innocent of evil. 
> 
> The look on Walt's next-door-neighbor Carol's
> face as he says, "Hi Carol." 
> 
> Lydia, showing up at the car wash. I can tell
> already that Lydia is going to be Big Trouble,
> possibly the reason Walt needs that M-60.

Most definitely. 

And I believe this will lead us to a resolution
of who Gus Fring really was. It is too big of a loose
end to ignore. --not his real namethe cartel 
wouldn't kill him because of who he was...having Mike
look into seeing whether his background could be found
by the DEA... I could go on and on. Why were there toys scattered in 
one corner of his immaculately neat home when Walt 
came for dinner? There were much larger forces at play
behind Gus and Lydia is a link in that chain. BTW, there
is a great recent interview with the Scottish actress who
plays Lydia. I would provide a link but I'm too lazy to
look. 

I think it is worth going back and re-watching, one more time, 
the scene in season one where pre-cancer Walt addresses his 
class on chiral compounds. Lefthand and righthand isomers
inhabiting the same body. Good and evil. Couple this with 
Werner Heisenberg's uncertainty principle which states that
the exact position and momentum of a particle cannot be 
simultaneously known, and you have the basis of my theory
that Hank is gonna break bad in an unexpected way. Yeah, 
I know, I've been drinking too much coffee. 

I must admit that I do enjoy chatting over coffee with an
observant fellow addict. I never noticed how Walt picks up the 
qualities of those he has killed until it was explicitly pointed out
to me. It started with cutting off the crusts of bread of the 
sandwiches he makes for Crazy-Eight. He then adopts the practice 
for himself. It continues on with every person he whacks. When he 
folded the towel to kneel on, as Gus did as he ralphed in the toilet, 
like Gus, even though he had never seen Gus do it! I had a kensho
right then.  Good stuff! It was hidden from me in plain sight. 

   


 
> 
> > Even though it is chronologically prior to Walt finding 
> > "Leaves of Grass" missing and the GPS on his car along 
> > with the subsequent epiphany regarding Hank, this was 
> > another of a score of "Checkov's guns" that arose in 
> > this episode. "Tread lightly" harkening back to to the 
> > close-up of the motto of the license plate of the car 
> > Walt drove to Denny's in the cold opening scene of 
> > season 5.
> 
> Good catch. I didn't notice that. I was wondering
> where that line came from when I watched it the
> second time. 
> 
> > Barry2 expressed last year that he felt the import  
> > of the inscription written by G.B. that Hank read 
> > inside "Leaves of Grass" would go over the head of 
> > most viewers. I feel otherwise. The type of viewer 
> > attracted to this show learns, or has the natural 
> > ability, to constantly scan for this type of clue 
> > which is inherent in the very DNA of BB. This 
> > particular scene is unique in that it produces in 
> > the viewer a mental equivalent of the use of a 
> > visual intensely quick zoom-lens shot as the viewer 
> > sees the character gain a realization that the 
> > viewer gained long before. 
> 
> A famous story from Alfred Hitchcock:
> 
> There is a distinct difference between "suspense" 
> and "surprise," and yet many pictures continually 
> confuse the two. I'll explain what I mean.
> 
> We are now having a very innocent little chat. 
> Let's suppose that there is a bomb underneath this 
> table between us. Nothing happens, and then all of 
> a sudden, "Boom!" There is an explosion. The public 
> is surprised, but prior to this surprise, it has 
> seen an absolutely ordinary scene, of no special 
> consequence. Now, let us take a suspense situation. 
> The bomb is underneath the table and the public 
> knows it, probably because they have seen the 
> anarchist place it there. The public is aware the 
> bomb is going to explode at one o'clock and there 
> is a clock in the decor. The public can see that 
> it is a quarter to one. In these conditions, the 
> same innocuous conversation becomes fascinating 
> because the public is participating in the scene. 
> The audience is longing to warn the characters on 
> the screen: "You shouldn't be talking about such 
> trivial matters. There is a bomb beneath you and 
> it is about to explode!"
> 
> In the first case we have given the public fifteen 
> seconds of surprise at the moment of the explosion. 
> In the second we have provided them with fifteen 
> minutes

Re: [FairfieldLife] Violence in Oakland forces residents to seek private security

[Bhairitu]

FYI, there are parts of Oakland to avoid and parts that are perfectly 
safe.  A friend who ran his software company out of his house lived at 
the edge of "hood" so we often joked if we needed to bring "our piece" 
with us. Sometimes it was a little spooky to drive to his house from 
Highway 24 but there was a back way to get there from I-80 to avoid "the 
hood." The HBO movie "Hemingway & Gellhorn" was shot at the abandoned 
train station down the street from him.  And coming from I-80 you would 
drive right by that old station and roundhouse.

Mostly you are dealing with people who are unable to earn a living 
outside of crime or have feel they have no possibility of having a 
decent living outside of crime.  They are as much a threat to their own 
community as they are to outsiders.  Just another sign of how well 
capitalism works (or doesn't).

Back in the 1960s you'd think that all of Berkeley was under siege due 
to People's Park protests.  But People Park was just a small lot on a 
block near Telegraph Avenue.  The media then was blowing stuff out of 
proportion.

On 08/18/2013 01:04 PM, emptybill wrote:
> (Not appearing in the Oakland Tribune but appearing at your door)
>
> Violence in Oakland forces residents to seek private security
>
> By John BlackstoneAugust 17, 2013 7:12 PM
>
>(CBS News) OAKLAND, Calif. - There has been 61 murders so far in
> Oakland, California. And with crime on the rise, some neighbors are
> taking extraordinary steps.
>
> Gunfire has become so common on the streets of Oakland, California --
> that even in neighborhoods that once seemed immune to the city's
> violence, residents are no longer shocked.
>
> Jan Hetherington has lived for 14 years in the Oakland, California
> neighborhood of Maxwell Park. Yet she acknowledged she has to bring in
> private security to feel safe.
>
> "It's like, 'Oh, another shooting,'" said Jan Hetherington, who has
> lived for 14 years in the Oakland neighborhood of Maxwell Park. It's a
> place with glorious views across San Francisco Bay, neat houses and
> friendly neighbors.
>
> "This is the most wonderful neighborhood I've ever lived in," she said.
> Yet she acknowledged she has to bring in private security to feel safe.
>
> With budget cuts forcing Oakland to trim its police force by a third,
> residents decided to pay themselves for private security patrols, which
> is understandable when you hear this from Hetherington.
>
> "A car came down the street, three guys got out with a gun. There was a
> gun battle three blocks over. And I did hear actually a bullet went
> through somebody's house."
>
> That routine gunfire turned tragic last month.
>
> "Our neighbor Judy, who lived in the next block to me, was shot and
> killed," said Hetherington.
>
> Judy Salamon, a 66-year-old dog walker, was murdered as she drove home.
> Who did it and why is unknown. Neighbors gathering at the spot where she
> died fear that if it could happen to Salamon, it could happen to anyone.
>
> Pastor Gregg Brown was threatened at gunpoint by someone who had
> complained about a noisy power washer used to clean the church.
>
> Pastor Gregg Brown moved here nine years ago. Even he has been
> threatened at gunpoint, right outside his Lutheran church
>
> "I was scared and I'm still scared," he said.
>
> The man with the gun complained about the noisy power washer used to
> clean the church sidewalk. Brown was told to stop or he'll be shot.
> "That's how close the crime is," he said.
>
> Eighty-one-year-old Joyce Nichelini has lived Maxwell Park for 42 years.
>
> "I lock a gate now and I lock my door and I have alarms. I even put bars
> on my house," she said. Yet she acknowledged she doesn't feel safe.
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Fri 16-Aug-13 00:15:06 UTC

[emptybill]

Yep, exaggeration is the essence of your proclamations:

I'm also free to ignore the friend who repeatedly beats her dog.
I am free to ignore the woman who has fallen in the street and can't get
up.
I am free to ignore the fact that my house is on fire.
I am free to ignore the fact that I am bleeding from a knife wound in my
neck.
I am free to ignore a baby bird who has just fallen out of a nest.

Yep, it's limitless calamity, horror and destruction if you let Barry
say whatever, as your examples so effortlessly demonstrate.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote:
> >
> > But are you free enough not to need
> > to indulge in exaggerated claims?
>
> What "claims" are you talking about? Are you talking about the fact
that I have the freedom to ignore just about anything, including Barry?
Is that exaggerated? Or was I saying that to ignore Barry is nearly
impossible because he is about as benign as any of those things listed
below which, is to say, not very.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Now it can be told -
> > > >
> > > > People who don't like Barry's posts
> > > > are always free to ignore them.
> > >
> > > I'm also free to ignore the friend who repeatedly beats her dog.
> > > I am free to ignore the woman who has fallen in the street and
can't
> > get up.
> > > I am free to ignore the fact that my house is on fire.
> > > I am free to ignore the fact that I am bleeding from a knife wound
in
> > my neck.
> > > I am free to ignore a baby bird who has just fallen out of a nest.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > This type of selective attention  is the refuge of
> > > > anyone who realizes that human life is temporary.
> > > >
> > > > When evaluated by that standard, a large number
> > > > of FFL denizens of must be "heavenly immortals".
> > > >
> > > > How refreshing to find this out.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
> > > > j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm referring to Barry being hugely in favor of posting
> > > > > > limits that are, at this point, all about Judy. Which
> > > > > > is not to say that others are not equally focused on Barry.
> > > > >
> > > > > 206 posts' worth this past week, either replying
> > > > > to something I posted, or mentioning me, just from
> > > > > the four core members of the MGC alone. Overall,
> > > > > subtracting the posts *I* made from the total, I'm
> > > > > mentioned or cited in over a third of all posts.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think one could make a case for "focused on." :-)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Time Reporter’s Call to Kill Assange Typical of Political Class

[emptybill]

Government Deals with Embarrassing Information By Targeting
Whistleblowers … and Journalists

Time Magazine's senior national correspondent Micheal Grunwald tweeted
on Saturday evening (08.17.13):

I can't wait to write a defense of the drone strike that takes out
[Wikileaks founder] Julian Assange

What should we make of his statement?  It's not Grunwald as an
individual … it's the mindset of the entire political class.

Under both Bush and Obama, when bad government policy leads to bad
results, the government manipulates the data … instead of changing
policy
 .

As part of that effort – on the one hand – "reporters"
who  never criticize the government in more than a superficial fashion
are protected and rewarded
 .  And the government has repealed
long-standing laws against using propaganda against Americans
  on U.S. soil.  And
the government also manipulates social media
 . More proof here
  and here
 .

On the other hand, the government has taken to protecting criminal
wrongdoing by attacking whistleblowers
  … and any journalists who have the nerve to report
on the beans spilled by the whistleblowers.

The Obama administration has prosecuted more whistleblowers than all
other presidents combined
 .

And it goes out of its way to smear whistleblowers
 , threaten
reporters
  who discuss whistleblower information and harass
honest analysts
 .

As we noted
  last year:

Wikileaks' head Julian Assange could face the death penalty
  for
his heinous crime of leaking whistleblower information which make those
in power uncomfortable … i.e.being a reporter
 .

Establishment figures – such as Andrew Sorkin
 
and David Gregory
 
– have also called for Glenn Greenwald (the reporter who broke NSA
contractor Edward Snowden's story) to be arrested.

Journalism is not only being criminalized
  in America, but investigative reporting is
actually treated like terrorism
 .

The government admits that journalists could be targeted with
counter-terrorism laws
  (and here
 ). For example,
after Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Chris Hedges, journalist Naomi
Wolf, Pentagon Papers whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg and others sued the
government to enjoin the NDAA's allowance of the indefinite
detention of Americans – the judge asked the government attorneys 5
times whether journalists like Hedges could be indefinitely detained
simply for interviewing and then writing about bad guys. The government
refused to promise
 
that journalists like Hedges won't be thrown in a dungeon for the
rest of their lives without any right to talk to a judge

After the government's spying on the Associated Press made it clear
to everyone that the government is trying to put a chill journalism

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Fri 16-Aug-13 00:15:06 UTC

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
>
> But are you free enough not to need
> to indulge in exaggerated claims?

What "claims" are you talking about? Are you talking about the fact that I have 
the freedom to ignore just about anything, including Barry? Is that 
exaggerated? Or was I saying that to ignore Barry is nearly impossible because 
he is about as benign as any of those things listed below which, is to say, not 
very.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Now it can be told -
> > >
> > > People who don't like Barry's posts
> > > are always free to ignore them.
> >
> > I'm also free to ignore the friend who repeatedly beats her dog.
> > I am free to ignore the woman who has fallen in the street and can't
> get up.
> > I am free to ignore the fact that my house is on fire.
> > I am free to ignore the fact that I am bleeding from a knife wound in
> my neck.
> > I am free to ignore a baby bird who has just fallen out of a nest.
> >
> > >
> > > This type of selective attention  is the refuge of
> > > anyone who realizes that human life is temporary.
> > >
> > > When evaluated by that standard, a large number
> > > of FFL denizens of must be "heavenly immortals".
> > >
> > > How refreshing to find this out.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
> > > j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm referring to Barry being hugely in favor of posting
> > > > > limits that are, at this point, all about Judy. Which
> > > > > is not to say that others are not equally focused on Barry.
> > > >
> > > > 206 posts' worth this past week, either replying
> > > > to something I posted, or mentioning me, just from
> > > > the four core members of the MGC alone. Overall,
> > > > subtracting the posts *I* made from the total, I'm
> > > > mentioned or cited in over a third of all posts.
> > > >
> > > > I think one could make a case for "focused on." :-)
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Violence in Oakland forces residents to seek private security

[emptybill]

(Not appearing in the Oakland Tribune but appearing at your door)

Violence in Oakland forces residents to seek private security

By John BlackstoneAugust 17, 2013 7:12 PM

  (CBS News) OAKLAND, Calif. - There has been 61 murders so far in
Oakland, California. And with crime on the rise, some neighbors are
taking extraordinary steps.

Gunfire has become so common on the streets of Oakland, California --
that even in neighborhoods that once seemed immune to the city's
violence, residents are no longer shocked.

Jan Hetherington has lived for 14 years in the Oakland, California
neighborhood of Maxwell Park. Yet she acknowledged she has to bring in
private security to feel safe.

"It's like, 'Oh, another shooting,'" said Jan Hetherington, who has
lived for 14 years in the Oakland neighborhood of Maxwell Park. It's a
place with glorious views across San Francisco Bay, neat houses and
friendly neighbors.

"This is the most wonderful neighborhood I've ever lived in," she said.
Yet she acknowledged she has to bring in private security to feel safe.

With budget cuts forcing Oakland to trim its police force by a third,
residents decided to pay themselves for private security patrols, which
is understandable when you hear this from Hetherington.

"A car came down the street, three guys got out with a gun. There was a
gun battle three blocks over. And I did hear actually a bullet went
through somebody's house."

That routine gunfire turned tragic last month.

"Our neighbor Judy, who lived in the next block to me, was shot and
killed," said Hetherington.

Judy Salamon, a 66-year-old dog walker, was murdered as she drove home.
Who did it and why is unknown. Neighbors gathering at the spot where she
died fear that if it could happen to Salamon, it could happen to anyone.

Pastor Gregg Brown was threatened at gunpoint by someone who had
complained about a noisy power washer used to clean the church.

Pastor Gregg Brown moved here nine years ago. Even he has been
threatened at gunpoint, right outside his Lutheran church

"I was scared and I'm still scared," he said.

The man with the gun complained about the noisy power washer used to
clean the church sidewalk. Brown was told to stop or he'll be shot.
"That's how close the crime is," he said.

Eighty-one-year-old Joyce Nichelini has lived Maxwell Park for 42 years.

"I lock a gate now and I lock my door and I have alarms. I even put bars
on my house," she said. Yet she acknowledged she doesn't feel safe.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Fri 16-Aug-13 00:15:06 UTC

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
>
> But are you free enough not to need
> to indulge in exaggerated claims?

Barry has always indulged in exaggerated claims.

The problem with Barry is that some people, not
knowing any better, take what he says seriously.

Add these to Ann's list: I am free to ignore the
quack peddling harmful remedies to the gullible;
or the radio talk-show host lying about a
politician; or the person spreading false rumors
about his neighbor's wife.



> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote:
> > > 
> > > Now it can be told -
> > >
> > > People who don't like Barry's posts
> > > are always free to ignore them.
> >
> > I'm also free to ignore the friend who repeatedly beats her dog.
> > I am free to ignore the woman who has fallen in the street and can't
> get up.
> > I am free to ignore the fact that my house is on fire.
> > I am free to ignore the fact that I am bleeding from a knife wound in
> my neck.
> > I am free to ignore a baby bird who has just fallen out of a nest.
> >
> > >
> > > This type of selective attention  is the refuge of
> > > anyone who realizes that human life is temporary.
> > >
> > > When evaluated by that standard, a large number
> > > of FFL denizens of must be "heavenly immortals".
> > >
> > > How refreshing to find this out.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
> > > j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm referring to Barry being hugely in favor of posting
> > > > > limits that are, at this point, all about Judy. Which
> > > > > is not to say that others are not equally focused on Barry.
> > > >
> > > > 206 posts' worth this past week, either replying
> > > > to something I posted, or mentioning me, just from
> > > > the four core members of the MGC alone. Overall,
> > > > subtracting the posts *I* made from the total, I'm
> > > > mentioned or cited in over a third of all posts.
> > > >
> > > > I think one could make a case for "focused on." :-)
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Fri 16-Aug-13 00:15:06 UTC

[emptybill]

But are you free enough not to need
to indulge in exaggerated claims?




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote:
> >
> > Now it can be told -
> >
> > People who don't like Barry's posts
> > are always free to ignore them.
>
> I'm also free to ignore the friend who repeatedly beats her dog.
> I am free to ignore the woman who has fallen in the street and can't
get up.
> I am free to ignore the fact that my house is on fire.
> I am free to ignore the fact that I am bleeding from a knife wound in
my neck.
> I am free to ignore a baby bird who has just fallen out of a nest.
>
> >
> > This type of selective attention  is the refuge of
> > anyone who realizes that human life is temporary.
> >
> > When evaluated by that standard, a large number
> > of FFL denizens of must be "heavenly immortals".
> >
> > How refreshing to find this out.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
> > j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm referring to Barry being hugely in favor of posting
> > > > limits that are, at this point, all about Judy. Which
> > > > is not to say that others are not equally focused on Barry.
> > >
> > > 206 posts' worth this past week, either replying
> > > to something I posted, or mentioning me, just from
> > > the four core members of the MGC alone. Overall,
> > > subtracting the posts *I* made from the total, I'm
> > > mentioned or cited in over a third of all posts.
> > >
> > > I think one could make a case for "focused on." :-)
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi

[sparaig]

IS any of it a "discovery?"

It seems more like its  an acknowledgement of a situation: Oh, I'm like that, 
aren't I? Huh. Not as big a deal as I expected.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> "And there is enlightenment which is thought to be the ultimate in questions 
> and answers?"
> 
> Enlightenment *is* a verb, mostly, one discovery after another. Though, on 
> approach, like seeing Disneyland in the distance, it looks like a massive, 
> solid, consumable, object.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Xeno wrote: There is philosophy which has been said to be questions without 
> > anwsers. There is religion, which has been said to be answers that cannot 
> > be 
> > questioned. And there is enlightenment. 
> > 
> > Share writes: And there is enlightenment which is thought to be the 
> > ultimate in questions and answers?
> > 
> > Plus, what about science? There is science which only loves operationally 
> > defined questions and answers?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 10:36 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi
> >  
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > You should probably read the essay:
> > > 
> > > http://organizations.utep.edu/Portals/1475/nagel_bat.pdf
> > > 
> > > Knowing what it is like to be your identical twin brother
> > > is no more possible than knowing what it is like to be a
> > > bat. You can imagine to a certain extent what it would be
> > > like for *you* to be a bat or to be your identical twin
> > > brother, but you cannot know what it is like for a *bat*
> > > to be a bat, nor what it is like for your identical twin
> > > brother to be your identical twin brother.
> > > 
> > > As far as Batman is concerned, there is nothing that it
> > > is like for Batman to be Batman, since he doesn't exist.
> > 
> > I did read Nagel's essay some years ago, but just taking what you have 
> > written here, I have a few comments.
> > 
> > There is something it is like to be Batman because this persona was created 
> > in the human mind of Robert Kane. The human mind can envision things, 
> > situations, people, which previously did not exist, and bring them to 
> > fruition. I am thinking how realistically good actors portray characters 
> > that in many cases are very unlike their own persona. People actually seem 
> > to come to believe that the actors are the characters, and not as they 
> > really are, people doing the job of pretending to be a person for the 
> > purpose of drama. We create machines that never have before existed, say 
> > the iPod. Is there something it is like to be an iPod? (Assumes that 
> > consciousness is not a localised property).
> > 
> > What is the certain extent that it is possible to imagine what it is to be 
> > like someone? 
> > 
> > If it is true you cannot know what it is like to be even your twin, if you 
> > had one, what does this say for your supposed ability to know what a 
> > person's motives are, what they are experiencing when they make a post here 
> > on FFL? According to the account above, it would seem likely that you are 
> > very much overstepping what it is possible to actually know, and yet you 
> > present other's motivations in such a way that makes it seem you are 
> > certain this or that is what is happening internally with a person when 
> > that person posts. This comment of course applies to anyone else who here 
> > posts also. I am not questioning your motives here, but what evidence 
> > exists that supports your view of their motives for posting?
> > 
> > I have been gradually reading through Feser's blog posts on Nagel. Really 
> > interesting. I would consider him a dualist of some kind. I am not a 
> > dualist because I have a world view that does not include metaphysics. It 
> > certainly includes mystery, as the details of existence are elusive. For me 
> > the mystery of consciousness is largely solved, but there is nothing I can 
> > say about it, but as it turns out I am actually in agreement with Maharishi 
> > on the majority of essential points even though I find the Hindu-centric 
> > nature of the movement's language less appealing than other ways of 
> > speaking about this. Of course others may consider what I think of what 
> > Maharishi taught as a gross distortion of what he actually meant. So the 
> > world turns.
> > 
> > In general, any philosophy that separates characteristics of existence into 
> > logically incompatible categories serves to provide endless argument. 
> > Examples are physical and non-physical, matter and spirit, etc. Whenever 
> > this is done, it seems impossible to create an interface between the two 
> > opposed characteristics that would connect them. It is kind of like 
> > positive and negative integers. Mathe

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi

[Share Long]

I bet she'd be too old for you (-:





 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 11:11 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> salyavin, concerning women and science fiction, I'd say look to the female 
> brain chemistry and structure. Do you know that the corpus callosum is bigger 
> in woman than in men? I'd postulate that that makes women more whole brain, 
> not so dominated by the left brain, therefore more intuitive which to me 
> means that we combine left and right brain functions more easily, are not so 
> imprisoned by left brain abstracting.

It's bound to be something like that, something which is variable
in both sexes.

> As regards the theme you mention below, maybe it's not such a big deal for 
> women because they create the most uncontrollable thing on earth: other 
> people!
> 
> 
> Are you familiar with male named SF writers who are actually women: Andrew 
> Norton, James Tiptree Jr. and Pat Murphy?

That's a good idea, wonder if I'd be able to tell by reading them?

> PS I like some SF and have a good friend who REALLY likes it.

Wow, introduce me!


>  From: salyavin808 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 6:13 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi
> 
> 
> 
>   
> snip
> 
> 
> Frankenstein is a great book by any standard but it's 
> the basis of most SF because it's about man's scientific
> creations running out of control. 
> 
> This fear that we are unleashing something we can't
> control when we manipulate nature or give our power to
> our creations must be the biggest theme in the genre.
> 
> I might go through that list and tick off the ones that
> fit.
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: DJ Obba; Saturday night geek party! Grey hairs welcome!

[obbajeeba]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKcNH5CoaGI

Geezers. pfft..  okay  George is king of crop circles unions

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> Or at least George Clinton, descending in the Funkadelic spaceship.
Sheez.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote:
> >
> > If it would have had some hip-hop hamsters driving around in a
little box car, I could have watched the whole thing.
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >  From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 6:23 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] DJ Obba; Saturday night geek party!  Grey
hairs welcome!
> >
> >
> > Â
> >
> > Get off the flat screen, stop texting your Aunts, and ride this
night to your meditative movements!
> > Join us now as we embark to WHOA, MY GawD!Â
> > Come on, Emily, Dance!  Get it Judy!  Ohh yeah, Turq, boy do
it good!  Shake it!       Â
> > Â Â  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN5vQmx9C5M
> >
> > Kali's Pimp, right at ya! doctordumbassÂ
> > authfriendÂ
> > Share LongÂ
> > SeraphitaÂ
> > Alex Stanley Bhairitu Â
> > turquoiseb Â
> > Â
> > merudanda  obbajeeba (oh, wait, that's me! ) Xenophaneros
Anartaxius Â
> > Ann card emptybill  Â
> > Michael Jackson Â
> > srijau Â
> > seventhray27 Â
> > Richard J. Williams Â
> > Mike Dixon Â
> > John Â
> > Duveyoung Rick
> > Get yer head out of yer butt, Rory!  Party time. Put the
Bananagrams down!
> >
> >
> > The rest of ya'll lurkers have to join in because this is an awesome
party and you be missing it!  Whatz the matter for you? Eh?
> >
> > Shut up.  I forgot it was Saturday evening.  Â
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi

[PaliGap]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > You should probably read the essay:
> > > 
> > > http://organizations.utep.edu/Portals/1475/nagel_bat.pdf
> > > 
> > > Knowing what it is like to be your identical twin brother
> > > is no more possible than knowing what it is like to be a
> > > bat. You can imagine to a certain extent what it would be
> > > like for *you* to be a bat or to be your identical twin
> > > brother, but you cannot know what it is like for a *bat*
> > > to be a bat, nor what it is like for your identical twin
> > > brother to be your identical twin brother.
> > > 
> > > As far as Batman is concerned, there is nothing that it
> > > is like for Batman to be Batman, since he doesn't exist.
> > 
> > I did read Nagel's essay some years ago, but just taking
> > what you have written here, I have a few comments.
> > 
> > There is something it is like to be Batman because this
> > persona was created in the human mind of Robert Kane.
> 
> There is something that it is like to be Robert Kane
> creating Batman. There is nothing that it is like
> to be Batman, as I said, because Batman does not exist.

In the academic vernacular: Nagel's point is an ontological,
point, not an epistemological one. 

I think we can agree that the world we live in is full of many things.
The inventory of this world is our ontology. Mine includes the planet Mars,
Mozart's Requiem, my big toe, my wife, the number 4,039, and so on. YMMV.

On my desk there is an empty coffee mug, a computer that is nicknamed
"Parmenides" on my LAN, and our cat Dexter.

The statement "there is an x such that there is something that is 
what is like to be that coffee mug" I take to be false.

The statement "there is an x such that there is something that is 
what is like to be the computer called Parmenides" I take to be false.

The statement "there is an x such that there is something that is 
what is like to be Dexter" I take to be true.

So what? Well this clarifies the problem of "consciousness" (or
"being"). It points us towards the "hard problem". That is to say,
on the basis of most folks' ontology there exists in the world 
things that can "take a perspective" (which is surely better than 
things that can "have a first person ontology"? It seems odd to
say that one's ontology includes first person ontologies?).

>From a materialist, or a physicalist, or a naturalistic point of
view it is hard to explain how "things with perspectives"
could "come to be". Try to persuade me however much you like, I
cannot see how a computer for example could ever have "a perspective"
in the way alluded to here. It might pass the Turing test; it might
walk, talk, and otherwise act indistinguishably from a human. But
I see no reason to believe that it would be true *for that reason
alone* that there would be an x such that there would be something
that is what is like to be that thing.

> > The human mind can envision things, situations, people,
> > which previously did not exist, and bring them to fruition.
> > I am thinking how realistically good actors portray
> (snip)
> 
> This has nothing to do with what Nagel is talking about.

Indeed. Nothing.
 
> > What is the certain extent that it is possible to imagine
> > what it is to be like someone?
> 
> It varies.
> 
> > If it is true you cannot know what it is like to be even
> > your twin, if you had one, what does this say for your
> > supposed ability to know what a person's motives are, what
> > they are experiencing when they make a post here on FFL?
> 
> As I believe I said above, "You can imagine to a certain
> extent what it would be like for *you* to be a bat or to
> be your identical twin brother..."
> 
> Now, I know you read that, because you asked me what "a
> certain extent" was. So why are you asking that question
> as though I hadn't already covered it?
> 
> > According to the account above, it would seem likely that
> > you are very much overstepping what it is possible to
> 
> *plonk*
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scenes One Sees While Peoplewatching In Avignon

[Share Long]

Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish.
Albert Einstein 




 From: authfriend 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 12:12 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scenes One Sees While Peoplewatching In Avignon
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Judy, when I consider your saying that I've "(foolishly) trying
> to be *nice* to" turq for less than 17 months and remember that
> you've been foolishly arguing with him for more than 17 years,
> then I don't feel so foolish any more.

That is extraordinarily foolish of you.


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> >  wrote:
> 
> > As I believe I said above, "You can imagine to a certain
> > extent what it would be like for *you* to be a bat or to
> > be your identical twin brother..."
> > 
> > Now, I know you read that, because you asked me what "a
> > certain extent" was. So why are you asking that question
> > as though I hadn't already covered it?
> 
> I was inquiring as to the range of that extent, perhaps not
> clearly. In other words, how far from 100% accuracy would
> you say your descriptions of people's motives range? 10%, 30%?

That also varies.

But you aren't really describing your question accurately,
are you? It was actually confrontational and accusatory,
wasn't it?

[FairfieldLife] Re: DJ Obba; Saturday night geek party! Grey hairs welcome!

[doctordumbass]

Or at least George Clinton, descending in the Funkadelic spaceship. Sheez.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> If it would have had some hip-hop hamsters driving around in a little box 
> car, I could have watched the whole thing.
> 
>  
> 
> 
>  From: obbajeeba 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 6:23 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] DJ Obba; Saturday night geek party!  Grey hairs 
> welcome!
>   
>  
>    
>  
> Get off the flat screen, stop texting your Aunts, and ride this night to your 
> meditative movements!
> Join us now as we embark to WHOA, MY GawD!  
> Come on, Emily, Dance!  Get it Judy!  Ohh yeah, Turq, boy do it good!  
> Shake it!         
>    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN5vQmx9C5M 
> 
> Kali's Pimp, right at ya! doctordumbass 
> authfriend 
> Share Long 
> Seraphita 
> Alex Stanley Bhairitu  
> turquoiseb   
>  
> merudanda  obbajeeba (oh, wait, that's me! ) Xenophaneros Anartaxius  
> Ann card emptybill   
> Michael Jackson  
> srijau  
> seventhray27  
> Richard J. Williams  
> Mike Dixon  
> John  
> Duveyoung Rick 
> Get yer head out of yer butt, Rory!  Party time. Put the Bananagrams down!
> 
> 
> The rest of ya'll lurkers have to join in because this is an awesome party 
> and you be missing it!  Whatz the matter for you? Eh? 
> 
> Shut up.  I forgot it was Saturday evening.   
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi

[doctordumbass]

"And there is enlightenment which is thought to be the ultimate in questions 
and answers?"

Enlightenment *is* a verb, mostly, one discovery after another. Though, on 
approach, like seeing Disneyland in the distance, it looks like a massive, 
solid, consumable, object.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Xeno wrote: There is philosophy which has been said to be questions without 
> anwsers. There is religion, which has been said to be answers that cannot be 
> questioned. And there is enlightenment. 
> 
> Share writes: And there is enlightenment which is thought to be the ultimate 
> in questions and answers?
> 
> Plus, what about science? There is science which only loves operationally 
> defined questions and answers?
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 10:36 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi
>  
> 
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > You should probably read the essay:
> > 
> > http://organizations.utep.edu/Portals/1475/nagel_bat.pdf
> > 
> > Knowing what it is like to be your identical twin brother
> > is no more possible than knowing what it is like to be a
> > bat. You can imagine to a certain extent what it would be
> > like for *you* to be a bat or to be your identical twin
> > brother, but you cannot know what it is like for a *bat*
> > to be a bat, nor what it is like for your identical twin
> > brother to be your identical twin brother.
> > 
> > As far as Batman is concerned, there is nothing that it
> > is like for Batman to be Batman, since he doesn't exist.
> 
> I did read Nagel's essay some years ago, but just taking what you have 
> written here, I have a few comments.
> 
> There is something it is like to be Batman because this persona was created 
> in the human mind of Robert Kane. The human mind can envision things, 
> situations, people, which previously did not exist, and bring them to 
> fruition. I am thinking how realistically good actors portray characters that 
> in many cases are very unlike their own persona. People actually seem to come 
> to believe that the actors are the characters, and not as they really are, 
> people doing the job of pretending to be a person for the purpose of drama. 
> We create machines that never have before existed, say the iPod. Is there 
> something it is like to be an iPod? (Assumes that consciousness is not a 
> localised property).
> 
> What is the certain extent that it is possible to imagine what it is to be 
> like someone? 
> 
> If it is true you cannot know what it is like to be even your twin, if you 
> had one, what does this say for your supposed ability to know what a person's 
> motives are, what they are experiencing when they make a post here on FFL? 
> According to the account above, it would seem likely that you are very much 
> overstepping what it is possible to actually know, and yet you present 
> other's motivations in such a way that makes it seem you are certain this or 
> that is what is happening internally with a person when that person posts. 
> This comment of course applies to anyone else who here posts also. I am not 
> questioning your motives here, but what evidence exists that supports your 
> view of their motives for posting?
> 
> I have been gradually reading through Feser's blog posts on Nagel. Really 
> interesting. I would consider him a dualist of some kind. I am not a dualist 
> because I have a world view that does not include metaphysics. It certainly 
> includes mystery, as the details of existence are elusive. For me the mystery 
> of consciousness is largely solved, but there is nothing I can say about it, 
> but as it turns out I am actually in agreement with Maharishi on the majority 
> of essential points even though I find the Hindu-centric nature of the 
> movement's language less appealing than other ways of speaking about this. Of 
> course others may consider what I think of what Maharishi taught as a gross 
> distortion of what he actually meant. So the world turns.
> 
> In general, any philosophy that separates characteristics of existence into 
> logically incompatible categories serves to provide endless argument. 
> Examples are physical and non-physical, matter and spirit, etc. Whenever this 
> is done, it seems impossible to create an interface between the two opposed 
> characteristics that would connect them. It is kind of like positive and 
> negative integers. Mathematically possible. But what is the appearance or 
> taste of one orange compared to a minus one orange? So there are three 
> choices (at least). There is philosophy which has been said to be questions 
> without anwsers. There is religion, which has been said to be answers that 
> cannot be questioned. And there is enlightenment. What is it like to be 
> enlightened? Is it possible for anyone to know what it is l

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:

> As I believe I said above, "You can imagine to a certain
> extent what it would be like for *you* to be a bat or to
> be your identical twin brother..."
> 
> Now, I know you read that, because you asked me what "a
> certain extent" was. So why are you asking that question
> as though I hadn't already covered it?

I was inquiring as to the range of that extent, perhaps not clearly. In other 
words, how far from 100% accuracy would you say your descriptions of people's 
motives range? 10%, 30%?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Scenes One Sees While Peoplewatching In Avignon

[doctordumbass]

sssh, "voldemort" might hear you...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Judy, when I consider your saying that I've "(foolishly) trying to be *nice* 
> to" turq for less than 17 months and remember that you've been foolishly 
> arguing with him for more than 17 years, then I don't feel so foolish any 
> more.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: authfriend 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 9:44 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scenes One Sees While Peoplewatching In Avignon
>  
> 
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
> 
> snip
> 
> Since when has Barry had the slightest inhibition about
> being as vile to his "enemies" as he can possibly manage?
> You saw his post to Share a day or so ago. And she's been
> (foolishly) trying to be *nice* to him.
> 
> You can't possibly be serious.
> 
> > I have been sooo guilty of bonking FFL others herein that I can't 
> > toss a stone at DocDummy, but if any of you out there are sinless . . .
> > 
> > Edg
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > >
> > > Here's another one:
> > > 
> > > Barry, alone as usual,
> > > envying those he sees passing him, especially couples,
> > > so he writes bad poetry, to express his frustration
> > > and impotence, and tries to make it sound free and easy.
> > > Don't quit yer day job, Mr. B.
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Japanese guy with a girlfriend
> > > > Much too beautiful for him
> > > > Carrying a camera
> > > > With a really, really, really
> > > > Long lens
> > > > Compenisation?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Dad carrying his son
> > > > In one of those front-facing babycarriers
> > > > That leave the kid facing forward 
> > > > And looking as if
> > > > He'd just popped out of Dad's stomach
> > > > That reminds me
> > > > I should watch 'Alien' again
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Guy in a Zorro suit
> > > > Complete with full-face mask
> > > > Walks along carrying a saxophone
> > > > Which he occasionally raises to his lips
> > > > And uses to make random squawking sounds
> > > > Not those John Coltrane or Albert Ayler
> > > > Squawking sounds, as if he knew how to play
> > > > And chose not to
> > > > More like someone playing a saxophone
> > > > Who doesn't know how to play a saxophone
> > > > He doesn't panhandle, he doesn't ask for money
> > > > He just walks around doing this
> > > > Maybe he's a relative of Sun Ra
> > > > Here visiting from their native Saturn
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > A passing posse of caterpillar people
> > > > All following a tour guide
> > > > Who is telling them fascinating things
> > > > About the historic and beautiful square
> > > > They're walking through
> > > > Not one of them is listening
> > > > Or even seeing the square
> > > > They're all staring into their 'Smartphones'
> > > > Being smart
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Chinese guy with another cute girlfriend
> > > > Walks along ignoring her completely
> > > > Instead taking 'selfies' of his own face
> > > > With his camera every few steps
> > > > No shit
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Waiter with a goatee and moustache
> > > > Who would not have been out of place
> > > > In any era of this cafe's history
> > > > Spins his tray on one finger
> > > > As he spins his web
> > > > On patrons who look 
> > > > As if they have the money to tip
> > > > I feel eternity
> > > > In this scene repeating itself
> > > > Over and over, over the centuries
> > > > In this cafe, in this moment
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Scenes One Sees While Peoplewatching In Avignon

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Judy, when I consider your saying that I've "(foolishly) trying
> to be *nice* to" turq for less than 17 months and remember that
> you've been foolishly arguing with him for more than 17 years,
> then I don't feel so foolish any more.

That is extraordinarily foolish of you.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Share writes: And there is enlightenment which is thought to be the
ultimate in questions and answers?
>
> Plus, what about science? There is science which only loves
operationally defined questions and answers?
I would say enlightenment is not about a question that must be answered.
It is an answer that has no corresponding question.

As for science, I left that out, as science does not seem concerned with
metaphysics in spite of philosophers attempting to introduce it. Science
attempts to make sense out of the patterns we find in nature, but its
attempt to provide a unified explanation of everything probably will
fall short, and end up something like Stephen Hawking envisions, a
series of overlapping theories each of which more or less works in its
own domain, but not in others.


  [The Difference, courtesy xkcd.com]

[FairfieldLife] FFL CLassified Ads [was Re: Post Count Fri 16-Aug-13 00:15:06 UTC]

[doctordumbass]

Other fascinating facts about "Brad" - Drives a 1982 Camaro, "Knight Rider" 
special edition, shops at Penney's cuz the babes r hot, AND tried pot once, but 
ended up cross dressing in public and never smoked it again. Now, its just you, 
and my Chesterfield 100's, baby. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh! I think this is the guy they used as a model to create 
> the Ken Barbie doll! And we all know what that doll lacked!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Ann 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 11:14 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] FFL CLassified Ads [was Re: Post Count Fri 16-Aug-13 
> 00:15:06 UTC]
>  
> 
> 
>   
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > "I'm not growing older, I'm growing better!", he said, admiring his 
> > reflection in the mirror - pink polo with collar turned up, white belt, and 
> > shoes, khakis, no sideburns, and Ray-Bans. "bitchin', let's disco", he 
> > thought confidently, the crooning of Barry White issuing from the living 
> > room. Remote controlled drapes, penthouse, white shag carpet throughout, 
> > scotch and soda, stripper pole, the works.
> 
> 
> .
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" awoelflebater@ wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Very Cool! Solves the X-ray specs question! I remember two novelty
> > > items I had, though neither was purchased from the back of a comic book.
> > > One was what looked like a machine for rolling "cigarettes", where a
> > > blank piece of paper the size of a dollar bill was concealed inside. I'd
> > > ask someone for a dollar, saying I'd smooth it out for them - out would
> > > come plain paper instead! The other one was an Uncle Fester lightbulb,
> > > from the Addams Family show. I'd put it in my mouth, with a penny on my
> > > tongue (no worries about choking hazards back then), and the lightbulb
> > > would light up!
> > > What a kid you are, I love it.
> > > I too, was an avid comic book reader as a kid. We were living in Germany
> > > at the time (1966-1969) and I could only get US comics from the PX down
> > > near Frankfurt so they were a bit hard to come by as we lived north of
> > > that. I don't even remember why my mom was allowed to shop there as we
> > > weren't military but I had my special stacks of comics in my wardrobe
> > > (no closets in the German houses back then) and I, too, thought
> > > longingly of those sea monkeys, the X ray specs and a few other goodies
> > > but knew that ordering them from the States would have been a bigger
> > > deal than if I lived in the US, plus, some little part of me figured
> > > these things were not all they were cracked up to be and I would be
> > > disappointed.
> > > I also loved those Addams Family cartoons, so morbid and dark and the
> > > illustrations were fabulous. I always had a fascination for the macabre
> > > and still do, so they appealed to me very much as a kid.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita" s3raphita@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Mail-Order Mysteries: Real Stuff from Old Comic Book Ads!
> > > > > Doc, you might want to check out this book. Click the link, then
> > > click
> > > > > on the Look Inside option and scroll down. This is a real Aladdin's
> > > cave
> > > > > of the sort of tacky products that fired the imaginations of
> > > > > impressionable kids back in the day. It also shows the reality of
> > > what
> > > > > gullible buyers actually ended up with. I'm going to have to order a
> > > > > copy!
> > > > >
> > > http://www.amazon.com/Mail-Order-Mysteries-Real-Stuff-Comic/dp/160887026\
> > > \
> > > > > X
> > > > > > > 6X>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I always wanted the Sea Monkeys, or the X-Ray glasses.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] DJ Obba; Saturday night geek party! Grey hairs welcome!

[Mike Dixon]

If it would have had some hip-hop hamsters driving around in a little box car, 
I could have watched the whole thing.

 


 From: obbajeeba 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 6:23 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] DJ Obba; Saturday night geek party!  Grey hairs 
welcome!
  
 
   
 
Get off the flat screen, stop texting your Aunts, and ride this night to your 
meditative movements!
Join us now as we embark to WHOA, MY GawD!  
Come on, Emily, Dance!  Get it Judy!  Ohh yeah, Turq, boy do it good!  Shake 
it!     
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN5vQmx9C5M 

Kali's Pimp, right at ya! doctordumbass 
authfriend 
Share Long 
Seraphita 
Alex Stanley Bhairitu  
turquoiseb   
 
merudanda  obbajeeba (oh, wait, that's me! ) Xenophaneros Anartaxius  
Ann card emptybill   
Michael Jackson  
srijau  
seventhray27  
Richard J. Williams  
Mike Dixon  
John  
Duveyoung Rick 
Get yer head out of yer butt, Rory!  Party time. Put the Bananagrams down!


The rest of ya'll lurkers have to join in because this is an awesome party and 
you be missing it!  Whatz the matter for you? Eh? 

Shut up.  I forgot it was Saturday evening.    
   
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scenes One Sees While Peoplewatching In Avignon

[Share Long]

Judy, when I consider your saying that I've "(foolishly) trying to be *nice* 
to" turq for less than 17 months and remember that you've been foolishly 
arguing with him for more than 17 years, then I don't feel so foolish any more.




 From: authfriend 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 9:44 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scenes One Sees While Peoplewatching In Avignon
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:

snip

Since when has Barry had the slightest inhibition about
being as vile to his "enemies" as he can possibly manage?
You saw his post to Share a day or so ago. And she's been
(foolishly) trying to be *nice* to him.

You can't possibly be serious.

> I have been sooo guilty of bonking FFL others herein that I can't 
> toss a stone at DocDummy, but if any of you out there are sinless . . .
> 
> Edg
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > Here's another one:
> > 
> > Barry, alone as usual,
> > envying those he sees passing him, especially couples,
> > so he writes bad poetry, to express his frustration
> > and impotence, and tries to make it sound free and easy.
> > Don't quit yer day job, Mr. B.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > Japanese guy with a girlfriend
> > > Much too beautiful for him
> > > Carrying a camera
> > > With a really, really, really
> > > Long lens
> > > Compenisation?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Dad carrying his son
> > > In one of those front-facing babycarriers
> > > That leave the kid facing forward 
> > > And looking as if
> > > He'd just popped out of Dad's stomach
> > > That reminds me
> > > I should watch 'Alien' again
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Guy in a Zorro suit
> > > Complete with full-face mask
> > > Walks along carrying a saxophone
> > > Which he occasionally raises to his lips
> > > And uses to make random squawking sounds
> > > Not those John Coltrane or Albert Ayler
> > > Squawking sounds, as if he knew how to play
> > > And chose not to
> > > More like someone playing a saxophone
> > > Who doesn't know how to play a saxophone
> > > He doesn't panhandle, he doesn't ask for money
> > > He just walks around doing this
> > > Maybe he's a relative of Sun Ra
> > > Here visiting from their native Saturn
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > A passing posse of caterpillar people
> > > All following a tour guide
> > > Who is telling them fascinating things
> > > About the historic and beautiful square
> > > They're walking through
> > > Not one of them is listening
> > > Or even seeing the square
> > > They're all staring into their 'Smartphones'
> > > Being smart
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Chinese guy with another cute girlfriend
> > > Walks along ignoring her completely
> > > Instead taking 'selfies' of his own face
> > > With his camera every few steps
> > > No shit
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Waiter with a goatee and moustache
> > > Who would not have been out of place
> > > In any era of this cafe's history
> > > Spins his tray on one finger
> > > As he spins his web
> > > On patrons who look 
> > > As if they have the money to tip
> > > I feel eternity
> > > In this scene repeating itself
> > > Over and over, over the centuries
> > > In this cafe, in this moment
> > >
> >
>


 

[FairfieldLife] FFL CLassified Ads [was Re: Post Count Fri 16-Aug-13 00:15:06 UTC]

[doctordumbass]

Dude!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > "I'm not growing older, I'm growing better!", he said, admiring his
> reflection in the mirror - pink polo with collar turned up, white belt,
> and shoes, khakis, no sideburns, and Ray-Bans. "bitchin', let's disco",
> he thought confidently, the crooning of Barry White issuing from the
> living room. Remote controlled drapes, penthouse, white shag carpet
> throughout, scotch and soda, stripper pole, the works.
> 
> .
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" awoelflebater@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Very Cool! Solves the X-ray specs question! I remember two novelty
> > > items I had, though neither was purchased from the back of a comic
> book.
> > > One was what looked like a machine for rolling "cigarettes", where a
> > > blank piece of paper the size of a dollar bill was concealed inside.
> I'd
> > > ask someone for a dollar, saying I'd smooth it out for them - out
> would
> > > come plain paper instead! The other one was an Uncle Fester
> lightbulb,
> > > from the Addams Family show. I'd put it in my mouth, with a penny on
> my
> > > tongue (no worries about choking hazards back then), and the
> lightbulb
> > > would light up!
> > > What a kid you are, I love it.
> > > I too, was an avid comic book reader as a kid. We were living in
> Germany
> > > at the time (1966-1969) and I could only get US comics from the PX
> down
> > > near Frankfurt so they were a bit hard to come by as we lived north
> of
> > > that. I don't even remember why my mom was allowed to shop there as
> we
> > > weren't military but I had my special stacks of comics in my
> wardrobe
> > > (no closets in the German houses back then) and I, too, thought
> > > longingly of those sea monkeys, the X ray specs and a few other
> goodies
> > > but knew that ordering them from the States would have been a bigger
> > > deal than if I lived in the US, plus, some little part of me figured
> > > these things were not all they were cracked up to be and I would be
> > > disappointed.
> > > I also loved those Addams Family cartoons, so morbid and dark and
> the
> > > illustrations were fabulous. I always had a fascination for the
> macabre
> > > and still do, so they appealed to me very much as a kid.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita" s3raphita@
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Mail-Order Mysteries: Real Stuff from Old Comic Book Ads!
> > > > > Doc, you might want to check out this book. Click the link, then
> > > click
> > > > > on the Look Inside option and scroll down. This is a real
> Aladdin's
> > > cave
> > > > > of the sort of tacky products that fired the imaginations of
> > > > > impressionable kids back in the day. It also shows the reality
> of
> > > what
> > > > > gullible buyers actually ended up with. I'm going to have to
> order a
> > > > > copy!
> > > > >
> > >
> http://www.amazon.com/Mail-Order-Mysteries-Real-Stuff-Comic/dp/160887026\
> \
> > > \
> > > > > X
> > > > > > > 6X>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I always wanted the Sea Monkeys, or the X-Ray glasses.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] A new spin for the eyepatch crowd

[Bhairitu]

This last week I had my eye on a film to rent from Redbox but low and 
behold Netflix WI got it too.  It's "Anti Viral" by Brandon Cronenberg 
(David's son) and definitely rated Not for Buck.  I would call it a 
"dark satire" because Brandon who is also the writer takes celebrity 
worship to the extreme in this futuristic drama.  People are given the 
chance to experience a disease which is taken from their favorite 
celebrity and mass produced.  The eyepatch element? Cronenberg further 
mocks intellectual property piracy because the viruses come with copy 
protection and of course hackers have figured out how to break it.

This is a very bleak and sickening film. The kind of film we love the 
Cronenberg clan for:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2099556/

After watching it Netflix wanted me to rate it so they could recommend 
another film.  And one of the recommendations was "Errors of the Human 
Body":
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1835955/

This is an excellent German made film in English about a scientist who 
discovers that a lethal virus created in his own lab has infected him.  
Again this is almost a new genre perhaps "bio fiction".  Also rated "Not 
for Buck" (where is Buck anyway).

If that's not enough SCIENCE fiction for you, Netflix also has "Eve of 
Destruction", a Canadian two part drama about things going awry at a 
particle accelerator.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2315896/

In the meantime check out what Walt and Hank are up to tonight and how 
Sookie and Eric close out the season.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > You should probably read the essay:
> > 
> > http://organizations.utep.edu/Portals/1475/nagel_bat.pdf
> > 
> > Knowing what it is like to be your identical twin brother
> > is no more possible than knowing what it is like to be a
> > bat. You can imagine to a certain extent what it would be
> > like for *you* to be a bat or to be your identical twin
> > brother, but you cannot know what it is like for a *bat*
> > to be a bat, nor what it is like for your identical twin
> > brother to be your identical twin brother.
> > 
> > As far as Batman is concerned, there is nothing that it
> > is like for Batman to be Batman, since he doesn't exist.
> 
> I did read Nagel's essay some years ago, but just taking
> what you have written here, I have a few comments.
> 
> There is something it is like to be Batman because this
> persona was created in the human mind of Robert Kane.

There is something that it is like to be Robert Kane
creating Batman. There is nothing that it is like
to be Batman, as I said, because Batman does not exist.

> The human mind can envision things, situations, people,
> which previously did not exist, and bring them to fruition.
> I am thinking how realistically good actors portray
(snip)

This has nothing to do with what Nagel is talking about.

> What is the certain extent that it is possible to imagine
> what it is to be like someone?

It varies.

> If it is true you cannot know what it is like to be even
> your twin, if you had one, what does this say for your
> supposed ability to know what a person's motives are, what
> they are experiencing when they make a post here on FFL?

As I believe I said above, "You can imagine to a certain
extent what it would be like for *you* to be a bat or to
be your identical twin brother..."

Now, I know you read that, because you asked me what "a
certain extent" was. So why are you asking that question
as though I hadn't already covered it?

> According to the account above, it would seem likely that
> you are very much overstepping what it is possible to

*plonk*

Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL CLassified Ads [was Re: Post Count Fri 16-Aug-13 00:15:06 UTC]

[Share Long]

ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh! I think this is the guy they used as a model to create the 
Ken Barbie doll! And we all know what that doll lacked!





 From: Ann 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 11:14 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] FFL CLassified Ads [was Re: Post Count Fri 16-Aug-13 
00:15:06 UTC]
 


  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> "I'm not growing older, I'm growing better!", he said, admiring his 
> reflection in the mirror - pink polo with collar turned up, white belt, and 
> shoes, khakis, no sideburns, and Ray-Bans. "bitchin', let's disco", he 
> thought confidently, the crooning of Barry White issuing from the living 
> room. Remote controlled drapes, penthouse, white shag carpet throughout, 
> scotch and soda, stripper pole, the works.


.






> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" awoelflebater@ wrote:
> >
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > >
> > > Very Cool! Solves the X-ray specs question! I remember two novelty
> > items I had, though neither was purchased from the back of a comic book.
> > One was what looked like a machine for rolling "cigarettes", where a
> > blank piece of paper the size of a dollar bill was concealed inside. I'd
> > ask someone for a dollar, saying I'd smooth it out for them - out would
> > come plain paper instead! The other one was an Uncle Fester lightbulb,
> > from the Addams Family show. I'd put it in my mouth, with a penny on my
> > tongue (no worries about choking hazards back then), and the lightbulb
> > would light up!
> > What a kid you are, I love it.
> > I too, was an avid comic book reader as a kid. We were living in Germany
> > at the time (1966-1969) and I could only get US comics from the PX down
> > near Frankfurt so they were a bit hard to come by as we lived north of
> > that. I don't even remember why my mom was allowed to shop there as we
> > weren't military but I had my special stacks of comics in my wardrobe
> > (no closets in the German houses back then) and I, too, thought
> > longingly of those sea monkeys, the X ray specs and a few other goodies
> > but knew that ordering them from the States would have been a bigger
> > deal than if I lived in the US, plus, some little part of me figured
> > these things were not all they were cracked up to be and I would be
> > disappointed.
> > I also loved those Addams Family cartoons, so morbid and dark and the
> > illustrations were fabulous. I always had a fascination for the macabre
> > and still do, so they appealed to me very much as a kid.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita" s3raphita@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Mail-Order Mysteries: Real Stuff from Old Comic Book Ads!
> > > > Doc, you might want to check out this book. Click the link, then
> > click
> > > > on the Look Inside option and scroll down. This is a real Aladdin's
> > cave
> > > > of the sort of tacky products that fired the imaginations of
> > > > impressionable kids back in the day. It also shows the reality of
> > what
> > > > gullible buyers actually ended up with. I'm going to have to order a
> > > > copy!
> > > >
> > http://www.amazon.com/Mail-Order-Mysteries-Real-Stuff-Comic/dp/160887026\
> > \
> > > > X
> > > > > > 6X>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I always wanted the Sea Monkeys, or the X-Ray glasses.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: DJ Obba; Saturday night geek party! Grey hairs welcome!

[Bhairitu]

On 08/18/2013 04:47 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>> On 08/17/2013 06:39 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
 Get off the flat screen, stop texting your Aunts, and ride this night to
 your meditative movements!
 Join us now as we embark to WHOA, MY GawD!
 Come on, Emily, Dance!  Get it Judy!  Ohh yeah, Turq, boy do it good!
 Shake it!
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN5vQmx9C5M
 

 Kali's Pimp, right at ya! doctordumbass  authfriend  Share Long
 Seraphita  Alex Stanley Bhairitu   turquoiseb
  merudanda  obbajeeba (oh, wait, that's me! ) Xenophaneros Anartaxius
 Ann card emptybillMichael Jackson   srijau   seventhray27   Richard
 J. Williams   Mike Dixon   John   Duveyoung Rick
 Get yer head out of yer butt, Rory!  Party time. Put the Bananagrams
 down!


 The rest of ya'll lurkers have to join in because this is an awesome
 party and you be missing it!  Whatz the matter for you? Eh?

 Shut up.  I forgot it was Saturday evening.   [:o)]

>>> For me, it's just another perfect opportunity to live in tune with Natural 
>>> Law by going to bed at 9pm. Jai Guru Dev!
>> Zz.  If I did that it would probably take another 3 hours to
>> fall asleep.  I've got some videos I want to watch on Netflix in spite
>> of  the fact that Redbox sent me another discount coupon. Just nothing
>> at the kiosks that struck my fancy.  The movies I want to watch on
>> Netflix aren't on the "popular" list so I may actually be able to get
>> them in HD.  Oh and then there is the series finale of the BBC version
>> of "Being Human."
>>
>> Nature is still just fine at midnight.
>>
>
> Oh puhlease! How can a guy whose spiritual path consists of weird sex, 
> meditating on top of corpses, and eating the bits of unburnt flesh in the 
> cremation grounds *possibly* understand the profound Vedic purity of going to 
> bed at 9pm?

Huh, the party just begins at 9pm.  Yeh, we know what you really do at 
9pm.  You head into town to one of those secret all night raves and 
party with the MUM dropouts. :-D

[FairfieldLife] FFL CLassified Ads [was Re: Post Count Fri 16-Aug-13 00:15:06 UTC]

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> "I'm not growing older, I'm growing better!", he said, admiring his
reflection in the mirror - pink polo with collar turned up, white belt,
and shoes, khakis, no sideburns, and Ray-Bans. "bitchin', let's disco",
he thought confidently, the crooning of Barry White issuing from the
living room. Remote controlled drapes, penthouse, white shag carpet
throughout, scotch and soda, stripper pole, the works.

.





>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" awoelflebater@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > >
> > > Very Cool! Solves the X-ray specs question! I remember two novelty
> > items I had, though neither was purchased from the back of a comic
book.
> > One was what looked like a machine for rolling "cigarettes", where a
> > blank piece of paper the size of a dollar bill was concealed inside.
I'd
> > ask someone for a dollar, saying I'd smooth it out for them - out
would
> > come plain paper instead! The other one was an Uncle Fester
lightbulb,
> > from the Addams Family show. I'd put it in my mouth, with a penny on
my
> > tongue (no worries about choking hazards back then), and the
lightbulb
> > would light up!
> > What a kid you are, I love it.
> > I too, was an avid comic book reader as a kid. We were living in
Germany
> > at the time (1966-1969) and I could only get US comics from the PX
down
> > near Frankfurt so they were a bit hard to come by as we lived north
of
> > that. I don't even remember why my mom was allowed to shop there as
we
> > weren't military but I had my special stacks of comics in my
wardrobe
> > (no closets in the German houses back then) and I, too, thought
> > longingly of those sea monkeys, the X ray specs and a few other
goodies
> > but knew that ordering them from the States would have been a bigger
> > deal than if I lived in the US, plus, some little part of me figured
> > these things were not all they were cracked up to be and I would be
> > disappointed.
> > I also loved those Addams Family cartoons, so morbid and dark and
the
> > illustrations were fabulous. I always had a fascination for the
macabre
> > and still do, so they appealed to me very much as a kid.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita" s3raphita@
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Mail-Order Mysteries: Real Stuff from Old Comic Book Ads!
> > > > Doc, you might want to check out this book. Click the link, then
> > click
> > > > on the Look Inside option and scroll down. This is a real
Aladdin's
> > cave
> > > > of the sort of tacky products that fired the imaginations of
> > > > impressionable kids back in the day. It also shows the reality
of
> > what
> > > > gullible buyers actually ended up with. I'm going to have to
order a
> > > > copy!
> > > >
> >
http://www.amazon.com/Mail-Order-Mysteries-Real-Stuff-Comic/dp/160887026\
\
> > \
> > > > X
> > > > > > 6X>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I always wanted the Sea Monkeys, or the X-Ray glasses.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: British police examining new info on death of Princess Diana

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Can't have a British Princess dating a Muslim or marrying him.
> > 
> > There's also the constitutional point that the sovereign is Head of the
> > Church of England. If a princess married a Muslim/Hindu/Jew/. . . would
> > their children be brought up as Anglicans? The issue only arises, of
> > course, because there's an Established Church; if there were to be a
> > separation of Church and State it wouldn't matter. They've only just
> > recently changed the law so that a Royal can marry a Catholic though
> > that could have tricky consequences too.
> > Now that they've legalised gay marriage some wags are asking what would
> > happen to the succession if a king were to marry another man.
> 
> Well then it would be two queens.
> >
>
Ann hit the nail on the head!   Drag Queen, Bingo!;)

[FairfieldLife] Re: British police examining new info on death of Princess Diana

[doctordumbass]

Excellent!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Can't have a British Princess dating a Muslim or marrying him.
> > 
> > There's also the constitutional point that the sovereign is Head of the
> > Church of England. If a princess married a Muslim/Hindu/Jew/. . . would
> > their children be brought up as Anglicans? The issue only arises, of
> > course, because there's an Established Church; if there were to be a
> > separation of Church and State it wouldn't matter. They've only just
> > recently changed the law so that a Royal can marry a Catholic though
> > that could have tricky consequences too.
> > Now that they've legalised gay marriage some wags are asking what would
> > happen to the succession if a king were to marry another man.
> 
> Well then it would be two queens.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] FFL CLassified Ads [was Re: Post Count Fri 16-Aug-13 00:15:06 UTC]

[doctordumbass]

"I'm not growing older, I'm growing better!", he said, admiring his reflection 
in the mirror - pink polo with collar turned up, white belt, and shoes, khakis, 
no sideburns, and Ray-Bans. "bitchin', let's disco", he thought confidently, 
the crooning of Barry White issuing from the living room. Remote controlled 
drapes, penthouse, white shag carpet throughout, scotch and soda, stripper 
pole, the works.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > Very Cool! Solves the X-ray specs question! I remember two novelty
> items I had, though neither was purchased from the back of a comic book.
> One was what looked like a machine for rolling "cigarettes", where a
> blank piece of paper the size of a dollar bill was concealed inside. I'd
> ask someone for a dollar, saying I'd smooth it out for them - out would
> come plain paper instead! The other one was an Uncle Fester lightbulb,
> from the Addams Family show. I'd put it in my mouth, with a penny on my
> tongue (no worries about choking hazards back then), and the lightbulb
> would light up!
> What a kid you are, I love it.
> I too, was an avid comic book reader as a kid. We were living in Germany
> at the time (1966-1969) and I could only get US comics from the PX down
> near Frankfurt so they were a bit hard to come by as we lived north of
> that. I don't even remember why my mom was allowed to shop there as we
> weren't military but I had my special stacks of comics in my wardrobe
> (no closets in the German houses back then) and I, too, thought
> longingly of those sea monkeys, the X ray specs and a few other goodies
> but knew that ordering them from the States would have been a bigger
> deal than if I lived in the US, plus, some little part of me figured
> these things were not all they were cracked up to be and I would be
> disappointed.
> I also loved those Addams Family cartoons, so morbid and dark and the
> illustrations were fabulous. I always had a fascination for the macabre
> and still do, so they appealed to me very much as a kid.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita" s3raphita@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Mail-Order Mysteries: Real Stuff from Old Comic Book Ads!
> > > Doc, you might want to check out this book. Click the link, then
> click
> > > on the Look Inside option and scroll down. This is a real Aladdin's
> cave
> > > of the sort of tacky products that fired the imaginations of
> > > impressionable kids back in the day. It also shows the reality of
> what
> > > gullible buyers actually ended up with. I'm going to have to order a
> > > copy!
> > >
> http://www.amazon.com/Mail-Order-Mysteries-Real-Stuff-Comic/dp/160887026\
> \
> > > X
> > > > > 6X>
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I always wanted the Sea Monkeys, or the X-Ray glasses.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: DJ Obba; Saturday night geek party! Grey hairs welcome!

[obbajeeba]

Alex, all is everything!  LOL
http://sirbrahman.com/product_info.php?products_id=112





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > Of course he can!
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzgabPs6f-8
> >
> >
>
> Interesting... an avatar of Vishnu in the form of a boar. It lends
credence to Swami Gulabjamunanda's recent cognition that while Brahman
is the formless source of all forms, bacon is the source of Brahman.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: British police examining new info on death of Princess Diana

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> >
> >
> > Can't have a British Princess dating a Muslim or marrying him.
> 
> There's also the constitutional point that the sovereign is Head of the
> Church of England. If a princess married a Muslim/Hindu/Jew/. . . would
> their children be brought up as Anglicans? The issue only arises, of
> course, because there's an Established Church; if there were to be a
> separation of Church and State it wouldn't matter. They've only just
> recently changed the law so that a Royal can marry a Catholic though
> that could have tricky consequences too.
> Now that they've legalised gay marriage some wags are asking what would
> happen to the succession if a king were to marry another man.

Well then it would be two queens.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: British police examining new info on death of Princess Diana

[obbajeeba]

Regardless of who can live together, love together, contract together,
etc., and everyone has a right to choose their mate in what way they
choose, the essence and real meaning of marriage is two who can breed
together from the conception that forms the blood line.
No buts about it. Nature made a wombed man and a man for this purpose of
sharing the DNA. If everyone else wants to invite the mad scientist into
their bedrooms, well, go for it. That threesome does not change the
natural law.  Because without that lab, if two people of the same sex
were wandering in the Yukon, and met, they most likely would not produce
offspring. If a man and wombed man meet, the chances are probable. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FyezVyMFJ8



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> >
> >
> > Can't have a British Princess dating a Muslim or marrying him.
>
> There's also the constitutional point that the sovereign is Head of
the
> Church of England. If a princess married a Muslim/Hindu/Jew/. . .
would
> their children be brought up as Anglicans? The issue only arises, of
> course, because there's an Established Church; if there were to be a
> separation of Church and State it wouldn't matter. They've only just
> recently changed the law so that a Royal can marry a Catholic though
> that could have tricky consequences too.
> Now that they've legalised gay marriage some wags are asking what
would
> happen to the succession if a king were to marry another man.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi

[Share Long]

Xeno wrote: There is philosophy which has been said to be questions without 
anwsers. There is religion, which has been said to be answers that cannot be 
questioned. And there is enlightenment. 

Share writes: And there is enlightenment which is thought to be the ultimate in 
questions and answers?

Plus, what about science? There is science which only loves operationally 
defined questions and answers?



 From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 10:36 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> You should probably read the essay:
> 
> http://organizations.utep.edu/Portals/1475/nagel_bat.pdf
> 
> Knowing what it is like to be your identical twin brother
> is no more possible than knowing what it is like to be a
> bat. You can imagine to a certain extent what it would be
> like for *you* to be a bat or to be your identical twin
> brother, but you cannot know what it is like for a *bat*
> to be a bat, nor what it is like for your identical twin
> brother to be your identical twin brother.
> 
> As far as Batman is concerned, there is nothing that it
> is like for Batman to be Batman, since he doesn't exist.

I did read Nagel's essay some years ago, but just taking what you have written 
here, I have a few comments.

There is something it is like to be Batman because this persona was created in 
the human mind of Robert Kane. The human mind can envision things, situations, 
people, which previously did not exist, and bring them to fruition. I am 
thinking how realistically good actors portray characters that in many cases 
are very unlike their own persona. People actually seem to come to believe that 
the actors are the characters, and not as they really are, people doing the job 
of pretending to be a person for the purpose of drama. We create machines that 
never have before existed, say the iPod. Is there something it is like to be an 
iPod? (Assumes that consciousness is not a localised property).

What is the certain extent that it is possible to imagine what it is to be like 
someone? 

If it is true you cannot know what it is like to be even your twin, if you had 
one, what does this say for your supposed ability to know what a person's 
motives are, what they are experiencing when they make a post here on FFL? 
According to the account above, it would seem likely that you are very much 
overstepping what it is possible to actually know, and yet you present other's 
motivations in such a way that makes it seem you are certain this or that is 
what is happening internally with a person when that person posts. This comment 
of course applies to anyone else who here posts also. I am not questioning your 
motives here, but what evidence exists that supports your view of their motives 
for posting?

I have been gradually reading through Feser's blog posts on Nagel. Really 
interesting. I would consider him a dualist of some kind. I am not a dualist 
because I have a world view that does not include metaphysics. It certainly 
includes mystery, as the details of existence are elusive. For me the mystery 
of consciousness is largely solved, but there is nothing I can say about it, 
but as it turns out I am actually in agreement with Maharishi on the majority 
of essential points even though I find the Hindu-centric nature of the 
movement's language less appealing than other ways of speaking about this. Of 
course others may consider what I think of what Maharishi taught as a gross 
distortion of what he actually meant. So the world turns.

In general, any philosophy that separates characteristics of existence into 
logically incompatible categories serves to provide endless argument. Examples 
are physical and non-physical, matter and spirit, etc. Whenever this is done, 
it seems impossible to create an interface between the two opposed 
characteristics that would connect them. It is kind of like positive and 
negative integers. Mathematically possible. But what is the appearance or taste 
of one orange compared to a minus one orange? So there are three choices (at 
least). There is philosophy which has been said to be questions without 
anwsers. There is religion, which has been said to be answers that cannot be 
questioned. And there is enlightenment. What is it like to be enlightened? Is 
it possible for anyone to know what it is like to be enlightened?

If, for example, there are enlightened people posting on FFL, presumably they 
would know what it is like. For the others, they would not know at all, though 
they might believe they know what it would be like. And then there might be 
some who think they are enlightened, but have made a mistake. And then maybe 
this whole enlightement thing is just a ruse.


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> You should probably read the essay:
> 
> http://organizations.utep.edu/Portals/1475/nagel_bat.pdf
> 
> Knowing what it is like to be your identical twin brother
> is no more possible than knowing what it is like to be a
> bat. You can imagine to a certain extent what it would be
> like for *you* to be a bat or to be your identical twin
> brother, but you cannot know what it is like for a *bat*
> to be a bat, nor what it is like for your identical twin
> brother to be your identical twin brother.
> 
> As far as Batman is concerned, there is nothing that it
> is like for Batman to be Batman, since he doesn't exist.

I did read Nagel's essay some years ago, but just taking what you have written 
here, I have a few comments.

There is something it is like to be Batman because this persona was created in 
the human mind of Robert Kane. The human mind can envision things, situations, 
people, which previously did not exist, and bring them to fruition. I am 
thinking how realistically good actors portray characters that in many cases 
are very unlike their own persona. People actually seem to come to believe that 
the actors are the characters, and not as they really are, people doing the job 
of pretending to be a person for the purpose of drama. We create machines that 
never have before existed, say the iPod. Is there something it is like to be an 
iPod? (Assumes that consciousness is not a localised property).

What is the certain extent that it is possible to imagine what it is to be like 
someone? 

If it is true you cannot know what it is like to be even your twin, if you had 
one, what does this say for your supposed ability to know what a person's 
motives are, what they are experiencing when they make a post here on FFL? 
According to the account above, it would seem likely that you are very much 
overstepping what it is possible to actually know, and yet you present other's 
motivations in such a way that makes it seem you are certain this or that is 
what is happening internally with a person when that person posts. This comment 
of course applies to anyone else who here posts also. I am not questioning your 
motives here, but what evidence exists that supports your view of their motives 
for posting?

I have been gradually reading through Feser's blog posts on Nagel. Really 
interesting. I would consider him a dualist of some kind. I am not a dualist 
because I have a world view that does not include metaphysics. It certainly 
includes mystery, as the details of existence are elusive. For me the mystery 
of consciousness is largely solved, but there is nothing I can say about it, 
but as it turns out I am actually in agreement with Maharishi on the majority 
of essential points even though I find the Hindu-centric nature of the 
movement's language less appealing than other ways of speaking about this. Of 
course others may consider what I think of what Maharishi taught as a gross 
distortion of what he actually meant. So the world turns.

In general, any philosophy that separates characteristics of existence into 
logically incompatible categories serves to provide endless argument. Examples 
are physical and non-physical, matter and spirit, etc. Whenever this is done, 
it seems impossible to create an interface between the two opposed 
characteristics that would connect them. It is kind of like positive and 
negative integers. Mathematically possible. But what is the appearance or taste 
of one orange compared to a minus one orange? So there are three choices (at 
least). There is philosophy which has been said to be questions without 
anwsers. There is religion, which has been said to be answers that cannot be 
questioned. And there is enlightenment. What is it like to be enlightened? Is 
it possible for anyone to know what it is like to be enlightened?

If, for example, there are enlightened people posting on FFL, presumably they 
would know what it is like. For the others, they would not know at all, though 
they might believe they know what it would be like. And then there might be 
some who think they are enlightened, but have made a mistake. And then maybe 
this whole enlightement thing is just a ruse.

[FairfieldLife] Re: DJ Obba; Saturday night geek party! Grey hairs welcome!

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
>
> Of course he can!
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzgabPs6f-8
> 
> 

Interesting... an avatar of Vishnu in the form of a boar. It lends credence to 
Swami Gulabjamunanda's recent cognition that while Brahman is the formless 
source of all forms, bacon is the source of Brahman.

[FairfieldLife] Re: British police examining new info on death of Princess Diana

[Seraphita]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
>
>
> Can't have a British Princess dating a Muslim or marrying him.

There's also the constitutional point that the sovereign is Head of the
Church of England. If a princess married a Muslim/Hindu/Jew/. . . would
their children be brought up as Anglicans? The issue only arises, of
course, because there's an Established Church; if there were to be a
separation of Church and State it wouldn't matter. They've only just
recently changed the law so that a Royal can marry a Catholic though
that could have tricky consequences too.
Now that they've legalised gay marriage some wags are asking what would
happen to the succession if a king were to marry another man.

[FairfieldLife] Re: DJ Obba; Saturday night geek party! Grey hairs welcome!

[obbajeeba]

Of course he can!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzgabPs6f-8



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
> >
> > On 08/17/2013 06:39 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> > >> Get off the flat screen, stop texting your Aunts, and ride this
night to
> > >> your meditative movements!
> > >> Join us now as we embark to WHOA, MY GawD!
> > >> Come on, Emily, Dance!  Get it Judy!  Ohh yeah, Turq, boy do it
good!
> > >> Shake it!
> > >>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN5vQmx9C5M
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Kali's Pimp, right at ya! doctordumbass  authfriend  Share Long
> > >> Seraphita  Alex Stanley Bhairitu   turquoiseb
> > >> merudanda  obbajeeba (oh, wait, that's me! ) Xenophaneros
Anartaxius
> > >> Ann card emptybillMichael Jackson   srijau   seventhray27  
Richard
> > >> J. Williams   Mike Dixon   John   Duveyoung Rick
> > >> Get yer head out of yer butt, Rory!  Party time. Put the
Bananagrams
> > >> down!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> The rest of ya'll lurkers have to join in because this is an
awesome
> > >> party and you be missing it!  Whatz the matter for you? Eh?
> > >>
> > >> Shut up.  I forgot it was Saturday evening.   [:o)]
> > >>
> > >
> > > For me, it's just another perfect opportunity to live in tune with
Natural Law by going to bed at 9pm. Jai Guru Dev!
> >
> > Zz.  If I did that it would probably take another 3 hours to
> > fall asleep.  I've got some videos I want to watch on Netflix in
spite
> > of  the fact that Redbox sent me another discount coupon. Just
nothing
> > at the kiosks that struck my fancy.  The movies I want to watch on
> > Netflix aren't on the "popular" list so I may actually be able to
get
> > them in HD.  Oh and then there is the series finale of the BBC
version
> > of "Being Human."
> >
> > Nature is still just fine at midnight.
> >
>
>
> Oh puhlease! How can a guy whose spiritual path consists of weird sex,
meditating on top of corpses, and eating the bits of unburnt flesh in
the cremation grounds *possibly* understand the profound Vedic purity of
going to bed at 9pm?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Fri 16-Aug-13 00:15:06 UTC

[obbajeeba]

Merudanda,

Flight of the vata, is based with my Kapha and I think my body is more
for this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPyVVDM5gLQ


Stable, and fast, stable, fast.

  [insert poetry somewhere here]



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rUgYm-aOm90
>
>
> ..as kinsmen met a night..Thanks
> I died for beauty, but was scarce
> Adjusted in the tomb
> ..
> Until the moss had reached our lips,
> And covered up our names.
> Emily Dickinson
> The infinite a sudden guest
> Has been assumed to be,
> But how can that stupendous come
> Which never went away?
> E.D.
>
> And on Sunday today:
> I just wear my Wings -
> And instead of tolling the Bell, for Church,
> Our little Sexton – sings.
> ditto
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> >
> > Merundanda,
> >
> > Whew. I think I will have to do this one on the Earth, literally.
What
> is it called on the ground?  The splits?  Ha.
> >
> > Nice video! Oh my!
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Now You know the secret:
> > > I am only here for Obaa's Grand Allegro,who are quite happy taking
> 16
> > > counts to extend his leg up to his ear,making each movement flow
> into
> > > one another seamlessly and although executing slow, controlled
> movements
> > > never seems to stop still.Obaa-bin-nobi!Amazing to imagine
> > > Oh when oh when we will be able to see Obaa-bin-nobi in the role
> perfect
> > > for Adagio-ers the heartbreaking Odette in Swan Lake or Des Grieux
> in
> > > Manon. [:D]
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-sGOUa3L3k
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Brava!!!  Brava!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Merudanda looks good in a tutu!!!
> > > >
> > > > Oh. Um  Bravo!!! Bravo!!!
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > OH OJA OBA BA ...JEEBA
> > > > > A Grand jeté= Grand allegro: Jeter /jeté: From the
French
> verb
> > > 'to
> > > > > throw'. A jeté is the usual word for a jump in ballet.  A
> large
> > > leap
> > > > > from one foot to the others, a technical jump in which the
> dancer
> > > jumps
> > > > > high in the air with both legs open horizontally, almost as if
> > > flying.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
>
[http://mylifeinballetshoes.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/daria-khokhlova.\
\
> \
> > > \
> > > > > jpg]
> > > > >
> > > > >   [http://www.platinumswan.com/Resources/Grand%20Allegro.jpeg]
> > > > >   [https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6099786496/hF71BCA31/]
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
> > > > > j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Final post count for the week will be tonight's post
> count.
> > > > > > > > > Personally, I'm loving this vacation from the idiotic
> > > posting
> > > > > > > > > limits, and if you reinstate them, you will need to
seek
> out
> > > > > > > > > another moderator if you want the limit enforced.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Good for you, I don't blame you. I think we should see
how
> the
> > > > > > > > month goes from here. I think it would be useful to stop
> > > thinking
> > > > > > > > about the number 50 as relevant to anything. If things
get
> > > > > > > > obnoxiously lop-sided or tiresome with boring posts then
> we
> > > can
> > > > > > > > revisit how to legislate controls. Seems a pity if it
> would
> > > come
> > > > > > > > to that though.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well, it was originally all about Shemp, Lawson, and Judy.
> Shemp
> > > is
> > > > > gone and Lawson hardly posts at all, so it's all about Judy,
or
> more
> > > to
> > > > > the point, Barry's obsession with Judy and his need to have
her
> > > > > controlled. Frankly, I'm tired of being a pawn in that ego
> drama.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Considering that I'm not a heavy poster, and I was never
in
> > > favor of
> > > > > posting limits to begin with, I think after all these years of
> being
> > > The
> > > > > Enforcenator, it's time for FFL's post limit to be enforced by
a
> > > more
> > > > > active user who actually is in favor of posting limits. I'll
> happily
> > > > > keep the post count script running and handle subscriptions
and
> > > other
> > > > > helpful stuff as needed, but keeping track of who overposts
and
> > > > > killing/reinstating posting privileges needs to be done by
> someone
> > > else.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As Alex recites his desire, Obba does a Grand allegro and
> > > exits :)
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >

[FairfieldLife] Watching You: NSA Funds New “Top Secret” $60 Million Dollar Data Lab

[emptybill]

NSA Funds New "Top Secret" $60 Million Dollar Data Lab


Center will analyze information from private emails, cell phone calls,
Google searches

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
August 16, 2013

The National Security Agency is funding a "top secret" $60
million dollar data analysis lab at North Carolina State University
which will scrutinize information collected from private emails, phone
calls and Google searches.

"The Laboratory for Analytic Sciences will be launched in a
Centennial Campus building that will be renovated with money from the
federal agency, but details about the facility are top secret. Those who
work in the lab will be required to have security clearance from the
U.S. government," reports the News & Observer
 .

The project was initially supposed to be revealed in June, but the
scandal surrounding the NSA's PRISM surveillance program prompted
the university to delay the announcement, with faculty staff citing,
"that bit out of The Guardian (newspaper) on NSA collecting phone
records of Verizon customers."

According to NCSU Chancellor Randy Woodson, the program will revolve
around "making sense out of the deluge of data that we're all
swimming in every day," although the university denies that it will
be involved in "mass surveillance".

However, according to an Associated Press report
 , the data lab will analyze information collected by the
NSA's new $2 billion dollar data center in Bluffdale, Utah, which is
set to collect
 
"complete contents of private emails, cell phone calls, and Google
searches, as well as all sorts of personal data trails—parking
receipts, travel itineraries, bookstore purchases, and other digital
"pocket litter."

According to the AP report, the new data lab will help perfect
technology that will "analyze that data for patterns identifying
terrorists and other security threats."

The announcement of the new data center coincides with a Washington Post
report
  which reveals that the NSA "has
broken privacy rules or overstepped its legal authority thousands of
times each year since Congress granted the agency broad new powers in
2008."

During a press conference last week, President Obama claimed that the
agency was not "actually abusing these programs and, you know,
listening in on people's phone calls or inappropriately reading
people's e-mails."

Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL CLassified Ads [was Re: Post Count Fri 16-Aug-13 00:15:06 UTC]

[Share Long]

When I was a kid and visited Granny Long in Upper Marlboro, MD (yes, home of 
Marlboro cigarettes), she'd take me to the local Woolworth's and allow me to 
buy a dollars worth of comics to read while she took an afternoon nap. 
Agonizing choices! Some of the super hero comics were 10 cents so if I got a 
bunch of them, it meant less moola for Casper the Friendly Ghost, etc.


Never heard of that trick before, Doc. Giggling imagining you with a lit 
lightbulb in your mouth (-:



 From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 8:34 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] FFL CLassified Ads [was Re: Post Count Fri 16-Aug-13 
00:15:06 UTC]
 


  
Very Cool! Solves the X-ray specs question! I remember two novelty items I had, 
though neither was purchased from the back of a comic book. One was what looked 
like a machine for rolling "cigarettes", where a blank piece of paper the size 
of a dollar bill was concealed inside. I'd ask someone for a dollar, saying I'd 
smooth it out for them - out would come plain paper instead! The other one was 
an Uncle Fester lightbulb, from the Addams Family show. I'd put it in my mouth, 
with a penny on my tongue (no worries about choking hazards back then), and the 
lightbulb would light up! 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
>
> Mail-Order Mysteries: Real Stuff from Old Comic Book Ads!
> Doc, you might want to check out this book. Click the link, then click
> on the Look Inside option and scroll down. This is a real Aladdin's cave
> of the sort of tacky products that fired the imaginations of
> impressionable kids back in the day. It also shows the reality of what
> gullible buyers actually ended up with. I'm going to have to order a
> copy!
> http://www.amazon.com/Mail-Order-Mysteries-Real-Stuff-Comic/dp/160887026\
> X
>  6X>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > I always wanted the Sea Monkeys, or the X-Ray glasses.
> >
>


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: British police examining new info on death of Princess Diana

[Share Long]

It's quite possible that I've read too many political and or spy thrillers, 
seen too many movies like JFK and Nixon. But I've come to believe that those in 
the highest positions of power can pretty much do whatever they want, cover it 
up somehow or get away with it using a variety of strategies. though I'm not a 
protestor or conspiracy theorist, I have my own strategies for helping the 
world be a better place. If they are even a little successful, then that's good 
enough.





 From: authfriend 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 9:19 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: British police examining new info on death of 
Princess Diana
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
(snip)
> The fact that the investigation is being reopened is great
> news IMHO.

It hasn't been reopened, according to Scotland Yard:

"Scotland Yard emphasised last night that it was not reopening
the previous investigation into the deaths, Operation Paget,
and highlighted the verdict of the inquest held after that
inquiry was completed."

If they check this new stuff out and find it significant
enough, they will apparently start a *new* investigation
rather than reopen the old one. Seems like semantics to
me, but they're quite insistent about it.

There have been all sorts of conspiracy claims before,
but this is the first one Scotland Yard has taken
notice of.

I suppose it isn't impossible the information they have
leads them to believe that while there might have been
a conspiracy to murder Diana, it didn't actually come
to fruition, and that her death occurred independently
for the reasons the inquest verdict arrived at (the car
was being chased by paparazzi, and the driver was
drunk).


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: British police examining new info on death of Princess Diana

[Share Long]

I betcha the female still has to be a virgin.





 From: authfriend 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 9:00 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: British police examining new info on death of 
Princess Diana
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
>
> Fergie! Don't get me started! When you think of the virtually unlimited
> choice a true-blue royal has over a life partner they sure do pick 'em.

The royals have more freedom now to pick a spouse than
they used to (Edward VIII, cough cough, and that was less
than a century ago), but I don't think their ability to
choose is unlimited by any means. If they make a good
match, there's a lot of luck involved.


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: British police examining new info on death of Princess Diana

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
(snip)
> The fact that the investigation is being reopened is great
> news IMHO.

It hasn't been reopened, according to Scotland Yard:

"Scotland Yard emphasised last night that it was not reopening
the previous investigation into the deaths, Operation Paget,
and highlighted the verdict of the inquest held after that
inquiry was completed."

If they check this new stuff out and find it significant
enough, they will apparently start a *new* investigation
rather than reopen the old one. Seems like semantics to
me, but they're quite insistent about it.

There have been all sorts of conspiracy claims before,
but this is the first one Scotland Yard has taken
notice of.

I suppose it isn't impossible the information they have
leads them to believe that while there might have been
a conspiracy to murder Diana, it didn't actually come
to fruition, and that her death occurred independently
for the reasons the inquest verdict arrived at (the car
was being chased by paparazzi, and the driver was
drunk).

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: British police examining new info on death of Princess Diana

[Share Long]

Doc, I saw a documentary about this a while ago. For example, according to that 
film, that very very drunk driver was a last minute replacement for Diana's and 
Dodi's regular driver. In the short time she was on this earth, she did some 
good and inspired a lot of people. She was so young when she stepped into the 
mess that was the relationship between Charles and Camilla and his need for a 
virgin to bear the heir. BTW, I bet you they still test for that before a royal 
wedding occurs. The whole institution is IMHO antiquated and beyond unhealthy. 
Though I will admit that The King's Speech almost turned me around about the 
royals. But only almost!





 From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 8:44 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: British police examining new info on death of 
Princess Diana
 


  
So true, and obvious, about Andrew. Yes, Diana had an affair with one of her 
bodyguards. He is the Spitting Image. 

I doubt very much Diana was killed on purpose. People forget the risky 
lifestyle she was living, and that her driver was very, very drunk. News 
stories feed on contrast, but once you look into the background, this was the 
unfortunate result of someone living very carelessly. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Succession worries from foreigners?! They can look closer to home for that, 
> can't they? A Brit told me some time ago that the second son isn't Charles, 
> looks just like some cute chap that used to be guarding around and about the 
> palace. I guess DNA testing is beneath alleged royalty! Anyway, of course 
> they had her killed! Can't have the future king of England in his 
> impressionable teen years, spending holidays on yachts in the Mediterranean 
> with Mommy in her bikini and some virile looking Arabian billionaire in his 
> speedo! And if the movie, The Queen has any accuracy, some of the British 
> people also thought they had her killed. The fact that the investigation is 
> being reopened is great news IMHO. Stop letting these people in power get 
> away with murder! At least the so obvious ones.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: salyavin808 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 1:35 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: British police examining new info on death of 
> Princess Diana
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
> >
> > Fergie! Don't get me started! When you think of the virtually unlimited
> > choice a true-blue royal has over a life partner they sure do pick 'em.
> > About Diana, there's also the ticklish aspect that she was sleeping with
> > Arabs and Indians. We are talking about the succession to the Throne
> > here and there were rumours she was pregnant when she died. One has to
> > wonder if there was an unpleasant racist element to the irritation she
> > sparked in the Establishment of the day.
> 
> Oh no, we can't have anyone pollute the succession to the throne
> with vile foreign genes. Much better to have another inbred
> chinless wonder sucking off the civil teat for it's entire life.
> 
> Talking of bringing the "royal" family into disrepute, how do
> you feel about princes Charles and Andy meeting with ministers
> to make sure they don't introduce laws that might interfere with
> their private business interests, that they don't pay tax on?
> 
> Sack the fucking lot of them, I'm amazed that this country is so
> backwards we still need a "royal" family to pour money over just
> so the lame can get all dewy eyed about "real" princesses. The 
> D&D of Cambridge have just moved into their first home of many, 
> a 10 bed Georgian mansion (not including staff quarters obviously)
> in return he'll smile like his Mum used to and she might open the
> occasional supermarket. Nice work if you can get it.
> 
> Vive le revolution!
>


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tired of paying rent? Why not build your own tiny solar-powered palace?

[Share Long]

Obbajee! Are you by any chance a fan of RR, the born psychic who lives near 
Carmel?! He also advocates volcanoes as a way to deal with recycling and waste 
management (-:





 From: obbajeeba 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 6:16 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tired of paying rent? Why not build your own tiny 
solar-powered palace?
 


  
Hey, my carbon footprint is meant to bring more real green to the earth.    
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1OZRuRH8TA 
Cool machine, but no thank you. :)
I would rather have the man who suspended our Constitutional rights bring back 
the troops. Save a soldier or two.  Oh, maybe ask Mr. Gore if he could move 
into the little one room shack Ravi posted below? 



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Prevost hunky dory, Obbajee, but maybe one could include this very cool save 
> the planet item in one's camping gear:
> http://www.youtube.com/embed/qGGabrorRS8?rel=0
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 10:00 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tired of paying rent? Why not build your own 
> tiny solar-powered palace?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Go for it, Share!  Make FFL history! 
> 
> What does it matter what a Prevost gets, if one has one? LMAO!
> Move 50 miles a week and get a different view in the mornings!
> What can be better than that? 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
> >
> > Oh God, Obbajee, how I love Alan Arkin and this scene shows him at his best 
> > IMHO. Anyway, what do those Prevosts get, about 3 or 4 miles per gallon? ha 
> > ha
> > whoops that's probably something I should google but this is way more 
> > fun... 
> > 
> > Will try to be sensible today and stay under 200 posts!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 9:34 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tired of paying rent? Why not build your own 
> > tiny solar-powered palace?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > Share, you made it. Finally you put a thought together, filled the whole 
> > sentence and made complete sense about the topic and your opinion is what I 
> > can agree with on living space.
> > Anyone who have traveled in cars, vans, or campers, (A Prevost is an 
> > exception, ha!) will know .
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AloNERbBXcc
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > Ravi, very cool article, thanks for posting. I once sublet a place that 
> > > was 600 sq ft and have to say, based on that experience, that I wouldn't 
> > > want to live in a place much smaller. And if with another person?! Well, 
> > > we better have dang high compatibility number, etc. (-:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent:
> >  Friday, August 16, 2013 12:28 AM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Tired of paying rent? Why not build your own 
> > > tiny solar-powered palace?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > Chris and Malissa Tack's home in Snohomish, Washington is smaller 
> > > than a studio apartment. But, its 140 square feet boasts all the modern 
> > > conveniences that they need to live and work. Its 140 square feet comes 
> > > complete with a sleeping loft, wine barrel shower, kitchen, and two 
> > > collapsable workspaces. What it doesn't come with is extra room 
> > > â€" Chris took seven carloads of stuff to Goodwill prior to 
> > > their move from apartment to house-on-wheels.
> > > 
> > > http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/plugged-in/2013/08/13/tired-of-paying-rent-why-not-build-your-own-tiny-solar-powered-palace/
> > >
> >
> 
> 
>     Â 
>

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama Suspends the Law

[emptybill]

Maybe some folks here on FFL were them in those days.
Oops ... but that's just Hindoo-ism by fawning (p)suchophants.

Not me of course.
I know my former: 1896 in Merseburg, Deutschland.
So don't blame me ... heh, heh.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:

Of course we iz. Different time, different place, same human traits.


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote:
> >
> > Bari2 quoted the wrong movie - he should have
> > quoted Ride With The Devil by Ang Lee.
> >
> > It was a beautiful, historically accurate and truthful
> > depiction of the sheer animus that precipitated the
> > Un-cival war.
> >
> > It shockingly began in the Kansas-Missouri border
> > areas as murderous Jayhawkers and plain-clothed
> > union troops from Ft. Leavenworth raided, plundered
> > and murdered southern sympathizers.
> >
> > At the time of the showing of the movie, we were all
> > wondering how the denizens of Kosovo could attack,
> > burn-out and/or murder their neighbors over ideology,
> > whether religious or political.
> >
> > Then we saw the movie and understood ...
> > them is us.
>
> Of course we iz. Different time, different place, same human traits.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
> > >
> > > OK dude, your giving yourself away. Kids in the North were taught
that
> > the Civil War(nothing civil about it)Â was the *war to free the
> > slaves* and kids in the south were taught that the *war of northern
> > aggression* was fought over *state's rights*.
> >
> > < The state's rights involved were primarily economic and slavery
was
> > just a part, albeit an emotional part, for slave owners, who were a
> > small but vocal minority as were abolitionists in the north.
Tariffs
> > were a much more compelling argument. The Feds were trying to build
the
> > Transcontinental Railroad on the backs of southerners who did a lot
of
> > trade with Europe and that railroad would not go through one
southern
> > state. The tariffs were going to hit southerners on their exported
raw
> > materials and on incoming finished goods very hard. Anyway, the
southern
> > states felt like they were being treated as colonies of the northern
> > states. Taxes and raw materials went north and little or nothing
came
> > back in the way>  of benefits, products or infrastructure.
> >
> > < You are right, Lincoln was not a popular President, at least until
> > after the war. The war it's self was not popular nor was the draft
he
> > used to fill the ranks. Thank goodness for all those Irish
immigrants.
> > Hand them a rifle and send them to the front as soon as they got off
the
> > boat.\
> >
> > > His assassination rallied the populace around his efforts to hold
the
> > union together and freeing the slaves made him look saintly even
though
> > by today's standards he would be considered a *racist*if more people
> > knew about his attitude towards the slaves in general. But hey,
he
> > was a Republican. What do you expect?:)
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >  From: Bhairitu noozguru@
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 1:03 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Obama Suspends the Law
> >
> > > You know me, I'm a movie fan and "Gangs of New York" dealt a lot
with
> > > what was going on during Lincoln's time and showed it in a way
> > different
> > > from what most Americans learned from their history books.
Furthermore
> > > Scorsese, in his commentary talked about the fact that Lincoln
wasn't
> > as
> > > popular as our history books would have us to believe.
> > >
> > > Also the real reason for the Civil War which was over states
rights
> > but
> > > not because of slavery but more likely having a federal government
> > which
> > > could enforce railroad regulations. That so there could be a
> > > transcontinental railroad. Anyone who was fascinated with
railroads as
> > I
> > > was as a kid knows that at that time different railroad companies
> > would
> > > have different rail gauges. In some case to just get across a
state on
> > a
> > > railroad you would have to get off one train on one system and
walk
> > over
> > > to another train on a different system. Obviously that was NOT
going
> > to
> > > work for a cross country system. And this at the behest of the
wealthy
> > > who wanted to profit off such a system.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: British police examining new info on death of Princess Diana

[Ann]

I think Harry's dad was her riding teacher or something. It wouldn't be the 
first time that those male professional horse riders managed to bed the more 
eligible female students and it won't be the last! Give them a German or 
British accent and you're home free.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> ooops! I meant Harry. From way over here in California, they all seem the 
> same!
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Not to be picky, but the article says the soldier, who
> > > > was a member of the SAS, told his wife that "the unit
> > > > had 'arranged' the Princess's death and that this had
> > > > been 'covered up.'"
> > > >
> > > > Why on earth would the SAS have wanted to murder Diana?
> > > >
> > > It's dirty work but someone has to do it. Diana was snorting coke,
> > > sleeping around with whoever took her fancy and generally bringing the
> > > Royal Family into disrepute.
> > 
> > I dunno, doesn't seem to me like enough to justify
> > murder, at least not once she and Charles were
> > divorced. (I mean, not that murder is ever justified,
> > but in the mind of the state, as it were.)
> > 
> > > She wasn't able to fulfil her allotted
> > > role - a role for which she was a willing volunteer remember.
> > 
> > Not many girls her age and background would have the
> > foresight and self-knowledge to turn down the role
> > because they realized it would be too much for them.
> > 
> > And she did a pretty impressive job with the public
> > part of the role, the royal appearances and charities
> > and causes and so on.
> > 
> > Plus which, it looked like she was a very good mother
> > to the heirs. Somehow she was able to compartmentalize
> > and not let the disaster the marriage had become get 
> > in the way of doing right by the kids.
> > 
> > Of course they'd have had to be affected by the marital
> > troubles, not to mention her post-divorce behavior, not
> > to mention her violent death when they were still so
> > young.
> > 
> > But from here, at least, it appears the way she brought
> > them up made them secure enough to deal with all that.
> > Harry looks to be a bit flaky, but William seems solid
> > and responsible, if not terribly inspiring.
> > 
> > For me, Diana was a profoundly tragic figure, not one
> > to be scorned and reviled. I like Charles, but I don't
> > think he was blameless by any means.
> > 
> > > Kate Middleton looks like the right stuff to me.
> > 
> > Good choice on William's part, no?
> > 
> > > No neuroses, feet firmly on the ground, realistic in her
> > > outlook - and more attractive, sexually and personally.
> > 
> > I dunno, I preferred Diana's looks by a mile. I can't
> > tell much about Kate's personality yet, but so far it
> > doesn't seem like there's a lot of it. Maybe that's an
> > advantage. The two of them did manage the birth nicely
> > (again, from here).
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: British police examining new info on death of Princess Diana

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
>
> Fergie! Don't get me started! When you think of the virtually unlimited
> choice a true-blue royal has over a life partner they sure do pick 'em.

The royals have more freedom now to pick a spouse than
they used to (Edward VIII, cough cough, and that was less
than a century ago), but I don't think their ability to
choose is unlimited by any means. If they make a good
match, there's a lot of luck involved.

[FairfieldLife] FFL CLassified Ads [was Re: Post Count Fri 16-Aug-13 00:15:06 UTC]

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> Very Cool! Solves the X-ray specs question! I remember two novelty
items I had, though neither was purchased from the back of a comic book.
One was what looked like a machine for rolling "cigarettes", where a
blank piece of paper the size of a dollar bill was concealed inside. I'd
ask someone for a dollar, saying I'd smooth it out for them - out would
come plain paper instead! The other one was an Uncle Fester lightbulb,
from the Addams Family show. I'd put it in my mouth, with a penny on my
tongue (no worries about choking hazards back then), and the lightbulb
would light up!
What a kid you are, I love it.
I too, was an avid comic book reader as a kid. We were living in Germany
at the time (1966-1969) and I could only get US comics from the PX down
near Frankfurt so they were a bit hard to come by as we lived north of
that. I don't even remember why my mom was allowed to shop there as we
weren't military but I had my special stacks of comics in my wardrobe
(no closets in the German houses back then) and I, too, thought
longingly of those sea monkeys, the X ray specs and a few other goodies
but knew that ordering them from the States would have been a bigger
deal than if I lived in the US, plus, some little part of me figured
these things were not all they were cracked up to be and I would be
disappointed.
I also loved those Addams Family cartoons, so morbid and dark and the
illustrations were fabulous. I always had a fascination for the macabre
and still do, so they appealed to me very much as a kid.






>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita" s3raphita@ wrote:
> >
> > Mail-Order Mysteries: Real Stuff from Old Comic Book Ads!
> > Doc, you might want to check out this book. Click the link, then
click
> > on the Look Inside option and scroll down. This is a real Aladdin's
cave
> > of the sort of tacky products that fired the imaginations of
> > impressionable kids back in the day. It also shows the reality of
what
> > gullible buyers actually ended up with. I'm going to have to order a
> > copy!
> >
http://www.amazon.com/Mail-Order-Mysteries-Real-Stuff-Comic/dp/160887026\
\
> > X
> > > > 6X>
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > >
> > > I always wanted the Sea Monkeys, or the X-Ray glasses.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: British police examining new info on death of Princess Diana

[doctordumbass]

ooops! I meant Harry. From way over here in California, they all seem the same!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Not to be picky, but the article says the soldier, who
> > > was a member of the SAS, told his wife that "the unit
> > > had 'arranged' the Princess's death and that this had
> > > been 'covered up.'"
> > >
> > > Why on earth would the SAS have wanted to murder Diana?
> > >
> > It's dirty work but someone has to do it. Diana was snorting coke,
> > sleeping around with whoever took her fancy and generally bringing the
> > Royal Family into disrepute.
> 
> I dunno, doesn't seem to me like enough to justify
> murder, at least not once she and Charles were
> divorced. (I mean, not that murder is ever justified,
> but in the mind of the state, as it were.)
> 
> > She wasn't able to fulfil her allotted
> > role - a role for which she was a willing volunteer remember.
> 
> Not many girls her age and background would have the
> foresight and self-knowledge to turn down the role
> because they realized it would be too much for them.
> 
> And she did a pretty impressive job with the public
> part of the role, the royal appearances and charities
> and causes and so on.
> 
> Plus which, it looked like she was a very good mother
> to the heirs. Somehow she was able to compartmentalize
> and not let the disaster the marriage had become get 
> in the way of doing right by the kids.
> 
> Of course they'd have had to be affected by the marital
> troubles, not to mention her post-divorce behavior, not
> to mention her violent death when they were still so
> young.
> 
> But from here, at least, it appears the way she brought
> them up made them secure enough to deal with all that.
> Harry looks to be a bit flaky, but William seems solid
> and responsible, if not terribly inspiring.
> 
> For me, Diana was a profoundly tragic figure, not one
> to be scorned and reviled. I like Charles, but I don't
> think he was blameless by any means.
> 
> > Kate Middleton looks like the right stuff to me.
> 
> Good choice on William's part, no?
> 
> > No neuroses, feet firmly on the ground, realistic in her
> > outlook - and more attractive, sexually and personally.
> 
> I dunno, I preferred Diana's looks by a mile. I can't
> tell much about Kate's personality yet, but so far it
> doesn't seem like there's a lot of it. Maybe that's an
> advantage. The two of them did manage the birth nicely
> (again, from here).
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: British police examining new info on death of Princess Diana

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > Not to be picky, but the article says the soldier, who
> > was a member of the SAS, told his wife that "the unit
> > had 'arranged' the Princess's death and that this had
> > been 'covered up.'"
> >
> > Why on earth would the SAS have wanted to murder Diana?
> >
> It's dirty work but someone has to do it. Diana was snorting coke,
> sleeping around with whoever took her fancy and generally bringing the
> Royal Family into disrepute.

I dunno, doesn't seem to me like enough to justify
murder, at least not once she and Charles were
divorced. (I mean, not that murder is ever justified,
but in the mind of the state, as it were.)

> She wasn't able to fulfil her allotted
> role - a role for which she was a willing volunteer remember.

Not many girls her age and background would have the
foresight and self-knowledge to turn down the role
because they realized it would be too much for them.

And she did a pretty impressive job with the public
part of the role, the royal appearances and charities
and causes and so on.

Plus which, it looked like she was a very good mother
to the heirs. Somehow she was able to compartmentalize
and not let the disaster the marriage had become get 
in the way of doing right by the kids.

Of course they'd have had to be affected by the marital
troubles, not to mention her post-divorce behavior, not
to mention her violent death when they were still so
young.

But from here, at least, it appears the way she brought
them up made them secure enough to deal with all that.
Harry looks to be a bit flaky, but William seems solid
and responsible, if not terribly inspiring.

For me, Diana was a profoundly tragic figure, not one
to be scorned and reviled. I like Charles, but I don't
think he was blameless by any means.

> Kate Middleton looks like the right stuff to me.

Good choice on William's part, no?

> No neuroses, feet firmly on the ground, realistic in her
> outlook - and more attractive, sexually and personally.

I dunno, I preferred Diana's looks by a mile. I can't
tell much about Kate's personality yet, but so far it
doesn't seem like there's a lot of it. Maybe that's an
advantage. The two of them did manage the birth nicely
(again, from here).

[FairfieldLife] Re: British police examining new info on death of Princess Diana

[doctordumbass]

So true, and obvious, about Andrew. Yes, Diana had an affair with one of her 
bodyguards. He is the Spitting Image. 

I doubt very much Diana was killed on purpose. People forget the risky 
lifestyle she was living, and that her driver was very, very drunk. News 
stories feed on contrast, but once you look into the background, this was the 
unfortunate result of someone living very carelessly. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Succession worries from foreigners?! They can look closer to home for that, 
> can't they? A Brit told me some time ago that the second son isn't Charles, 
> looks just like some cute chap that used to be guarding around and about the 
> palace. I guess DNA testing is beneath alleged royalty! Anyway, of course 
> they had her killed! Can't have the future king of England in his 
> impressionable teen years, spending holidays on yachts in the Mediterranean 
> with Mommy in her bikini and some virile looking Arabian billionaire in his 
> speedo! And if the movie, The Queen has any accuracy, some of the British 
> people also thought they had her killed. The fact that the investigation is 
> being reopened is great news IMHO. Stop letting these people in power get 
> away with murder! At least the so obvious ones.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: salyavin808 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 1:35 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: British police examining new info on death of 
> Princess Diana
>  
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
> >
> > Fergie! Don't get me started! When you think of the virtually unlimited
> > choice a true-blue royal has over a life partner they sure do pick 'em.
> > About Diana, there's also the ticklish aspect that she was sleeping with
> > Arabs and Indians. We are talking about the succession to the Throne
> > here and there were rumours she was pregnant when she died. One has to
> > wonder if there was an unpleasant racist element to the irritation she
> > sparked in the Establishment of the day.
> 
> Oh no, we can't have anyone pollute the succession to the throne
> with vile foreign genes. Much better to have another inbred
> chinless wonder sucking off the civil teat for it's entire life.
> 
> Talking of bringing the "royal" family into disrepute, how do
> you feel about princes Charles and Andy meeting with ministers
> to make sure they don't introduce laws that might interfere with
> their private business interests, that they don't pay tax on?
> 
> Sack the fucking lot of them, I'm amazed that this country is so
> backwards we still need a "royal" family to pour money over just
> so the lame can get all dewy eyed about "real" princesses. The 
> D&D of Cambridge have just moved into their first home of many, 
> a 10 bed Georgian mansion (not including staff quarters obviously)
> in return he'll smile like his Mum used to and she might open the
> occasional supermarket. Nice work if you can get it.
> 
> Vive le revolution!
>

[FairfieldLife] FFL CLassified Ads [was Re: Post Count Fri 16-Aug-13 00:15:06 UTC]

[doctordumbass]

Very Cool! Solves the X-ray specs question! I remember two novelty items I had, 
though neither was purchased from the back of a comic book. One was what looked 
like a machine for rolling "cigarettes", where a blank piece of paper the size 
of a dollar bill was concealed inside. I'd ask someone for a dollar, saying I'd 
smooth it out for them - out would come plain paper instead! The other one was 
an Uncle Fester lightbulb, from the Addams Family show. I'd put it in my mouth, 
with a penny on my tongue (no worries about choking hazards back then), and the 
lightbulb would light up! 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
>
> Mail-Order Mysteries: Real Stuff from Old Comic Book Ads!
> Doc, you might want to check out this book. Click the link, then click
> on the Look Inside option and scroll down. This is a real Aladdin's cave
> of the sort of tacky products that fired the imaginations of
> impressionable kids back in the day. It also shows the reality of what
> gullible buyers actually ended up with. I'm going to have to order a
> copy!
> http://www.amazon.com/Mail-Order-Mysteries-Real-Stuff-Comic/dp/160887026\
> X
>  6X>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > I always wanted the Sea Monkeys, or the X-Ray glasses.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: British police examining new info on death of Princess Diana

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
> >
> > Fergie! Don't get me started! When you think of the virtually unlimited
> > choice a true-blue royal has over a life partner they sure do pick 'em.
> > About Diana, there's also the ticklish aspect that she was sleeping with
> > Arabs and Indians. We are talking about the succession to the Throne
> > here and there were rumours she was pregnant when she died. One has to
> > wonder if there was an unpleasant racist element to the irritation she
> > sparked in the Establishment of the day.
> 
> Oh no, we can't have anyone pollute the succession to the throne
> with vile foreign genes. Much better to have another inbred
> chinless wonder sucking off the civil teat for it's entire life.
> 
> Talking of bringing the "royal" family into disrepute, how do
> you feel about princes Charles and Andy meeting with ministers
> to make sure they don't introduce laws that might interfere with
> their private business interests, that they don't pay tax on?
> 
> Sack the fucking lot of them, I'm amazed that this country is so
> backwards we still need a "royal" family to pour money over just
> so the lame can get all dewy eyed about "real" princesses. The 
> D&D of Cambridge have just moved into their first home of many, 
> a 10 bed Georgian mansion (not including staff quarters obviously)
> in return he'll smile like his Mum used to and she might open the
> occasional supermarket. Nice work if you can get it.
> 
> Vive le revolution!

Oh Geez, no one mention the "Family" or the "R" word to Salyavin, it really 
gets him going!
> 
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > 
> > > > >
> > > > It's dirty work but someone has to do it. Diana was snorting coke,
> > > > sleeping around with whoever took her fancy and generally bringing
> > the
> > > > Royal Family into disrepute.
> > >
> > > If they killed Diana for that then should have hung, drawn and
> > quartered Fergie (the Duchess of York). I don't buy it. Diana wasn't
> > important enough to kill. Look at the behaviour of the English monarchy
> > over the last 900 years and she was the least of their problems.
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: British police examining new info on death of Princess Diana

[Share Long]

Succession worries from foreigners?! They can look closer to home for that, 
can't they? A Brit told me some time ago that the second son isn't Charles, 
looks just like some cute chap that used to be guarding around and about the 
palace. I guess DNA testing is beneath alleged royalty! Anyway, of course they 
had her killed! Can't have the future king of England in his impressionable 
teen years, spending holidays on yachts in the Mediterranean with Mommy in her 
bikini and some virile looking Arabian billionaire in his speedo! And if the 
movie, The Queen has any accuracy, some of the British people also thought they 
had her killed. The fact that the investigation is being reopened is great news 
IMHO. Stop letting these people in power get away with murder! At least the so 
obvious ones.




 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 1:35 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: British police examining new info on death of 
Princess Diana
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
>
> Fergie! Don't get me started! When you think of the virtually unlimited
> choice a true-blue royal has over a life partner they sure do pick 'em.
> About Diana, there's also the ticklish aspect that she was sleeping with
> Arabs and Indians. We are talking about the succession to the Throne
> here and there were rumours she was pregnant when she died. One has to
> wonder if there was an unpleasant racist element to the irritation she
> sparked in the Establishment of the day.

Oh no, we can't have anyone pollute the succession to the throne
with vile foreign genes. Much better to have another inbred
chinless wonder sucking off the civil teat for it's entire life.

Talking of bringing the "royal" family into disrepute, how do
you feel about princes Charles and Andy meeting with ministers
to make sure they don't introduce laws that might interfere with
their private business interests, that they don't pay tax on?

Sack the fucking lot of them, I'm amazed that this country is so
backwards we still need a "royal" family to pour money over just
so the lame can get all dewy eyed about "real" princesses. The 
D&D of Cambridge have just moved into their first home of many, 
a 10 bed Georgian mansion (not including staff quarters obviously)
in return he'll smile like his Mum used to and she might open the
occasional supermarket. Nice work if you can get it.

Vive le revolution!