Re: [FairfieldLife] A nostalgia moment
Oh, I see, Barry - You don't care for what I said, and don't care for me, either, but, just like Curtis, have very little spiritual experience; no full time witnessing, no fullness of silence in activity, no establishment in Being. Yet you speak as if you do, as if you are capable of evaluating such things. Another ex-TM teacher, out to prove how little he is, casting about uninformed opinions, to demonstrate his failure to achieve that which he was teaching others to accomplish, while working as a TM teacher, many, many years ago - has it been over 40, yet? I think so. Another ex-TM teacher who hasn't the foggiest notion of his former teacher's message, because he too, never reached a point of integration and wholeness, that was the basis for understanding his former teacher's message - no permanent witnessing. Speaking always with great hubris about *this* spiritual topic and *that*, as if you actually have something to add to the conversation, Barry. You, who has failed to achieve the foundation, 24x7 permanent witnessing, that is the first unmistakable sign of enlightenment. Sure, we all know how you experienced witnessing for TWO WHOLE WEEKS. And it faded. Just like Curtis's experience of witnessing faded. No big deal - it will, until you are established in Being, in silence. But stop making the mistake the other ex-TM teacher makes, and recognize that you are not enlightened, and therefore cannot speak as if you are. It is arrogant, and makes you look terribly, terribly unintelligent. I wish you would take my word for that. So, for your sake, mostly, stick to cheerful, happy, light, and pleasant subjects. Thank you, in advance! :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Thanks for all the Biff trivia. As should be obvious, I was just riffing on the fact that the character of Biff not only looks like Jim Flanegin, he acts like him, too. :-) From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A nostalgia moment Tom Wilson (Biff) performs The Question Song on WEBN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WFeFwDPwSk On Fri, 5/16/14, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] A nostalgia moment To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 16, 2014, 4:56 PM I don't know what made me think of this, but does anyone else remember Biff from the Back to the Future movies? He started out looking like this, yer classic big guy with a tiny dick: But over time he morphed into pretty much the same big guy with the tiny dick, but now sagging and experiencing retirement panic: That's all. Just a nostalgia moment. It's not as if Biff reminds me of anyone. Really. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the deer this morning
Yes. Like conscious jewels in his face. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Yep, I love the critters, too, and miss my feral black cat, from the Bay Area, who I named, 'Sylvester' - I've never tried to pet, or feed him, but he has taken refuge in the gazebo on many cold nights, and we blink back and forth a lot. Sylvester.JPG - File Shared from Box https://app.box.com/s/h9gs1dtoseplixrytx22 https://app.box.com/s/h9gs1dtoseplixrytx22 Sylvester.JPG - File Shared from Box https://app.box.com/s/h9gs1dtoseplixrytx22 Sign up | Log in Sylvester.JPG View on app.box.com https://app.box.com/s/h9gs1dtoseplixrytx22 Preview by Yahoo Who but an imaginative and artistic, not to mention creatively bold, God would think to pair such black fur with such intense golden eyes and think he could get away with it, that it would be believable?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Life on Mars
Interesting. The guy who designed the experiment that found life didn't say so at the press conference in 76 because he was a junior at NASA, but he was convinced his test had worked perfectly anyway and had found organic life 3 out of 4 times in 1976. Trouble was, there were two other experiments that drew a blank and a majority vote was taken that decided life didn't exist, but the other experiments weren't working properly because the lander had had to put down in a place on Mars that it wasn't designed to operate in - plus they couldn't even find signs of life in some earth rocks you know... You'd think they'd just do it again but they decided to base future missions on the conclusion of no life on Mars and only do other experiments not connected with finding complex chemistry and all the biologists left or were retired from future Mars mission planning. Nice to know they finally might be coming round to acknowledging the mistake. I'm highly dubious about the conspiracy theory at the end though, why would NASA be trying to convince us that we live in an otherwise lifeless universe when it knows otherwise? It's a ridiculous idea that we wouldn't be able to cope with knowledge of alien life, look at Nabby, the prospect don't seem to bother him much!- Poor guy thinks we already have proof and that they come all this way just to make pretty shapes in wheatfields! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Maybe inside the rocks. Will any of the enlightened members here on FFL comment on this issue? In the meantime, here's the current article discussing this possibility. http://www.examiner.com/article/1976-life-on-mars-controversy-resurrected-new-scientific-report http://www.examiner.com/article/1976-life-on-mars-controversy-resurrected-new-scientific-report
[FairfieldLife] Re: What do Ginger Baker and black coffee have in common?
I've heard in Africa the criterion for a real drummer is the ability to sing whilst drumming. By that criterion I'm not a drummer, but drumming is one of the few things I really love (and my neighbors hate, LOL?). I especially like to put a metronome at something like 140 - 150 BPS and play some quite heavily syncopating, almost totally improvised rhythms over(?) it. Another thing I like is to play in 3/4ths so that it sounds as funny as possible... https://www.flickr.com/photos/66867356@N02/8495362998/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/66867356@N02/8495362998/
[FairfieldLife] To Curtis, on witnessing
A rap for Curtis, now that the Jim-bot has shouted himself out and probably fallen asleep. For obvious reasons, I didn't want to get involved with Jim while he was busy doing his Biff Tanner imitation. He's clearly-out-of-control angry over the fact that he can't get me to react to his taunts, and that out-of-control-ness amuses me, so I'll allow him to continue to rant later when when he wakes up with a Boy-I-sure-shouted-them-down-didn't-I hangover. :-) But I do wish to comment on some of Curtis' comments, to add in my two centimes. Yes, I *do* agree with him in believing that Maharishi was WAY off in coming up with any meaningful interpretations of and descriptions of consciousness and what it means. And one of the key indicators of this to me is his reliance on a phenomenon that is seen as so meaningless in other meditation traditions that it is almost never spoken about, let alone suggested as a criterion for enlightenment. I am speaking, of course, of witnessing. In Tibetan and other more traditional forms of meditation teaching, this phenomenon is so commonplace and is considered so meaningless that it is almost never mentioned, except with a passing warning. The warning is to not get hung up on it, because it's so easy to (in MMY terminology) mood make the sensation to convince oneself that they're more advanced than they really are. That, interestingly enough, is the same finding that neuroscientists have gleaned from lab experiments. The phenomenon of witnessnessing can be *generated*, merely by stimulating the proper areas of the brain. Furthermore, once the subject has experienced it via stimulation, it is possible for them to bring on that experience again just by making a mood of it. That's what I honestly think happened to the Jim-bot. He had some minor experiences of witnessing, and having a shitload of ego problems and wanting some attention, he kept mood-making the experience again so that he could use it to justify his oneupsmanship games. This is *exactly* why teachers in more legitimate traditions don't focus on witnessing as anything more than a beginner's perception, and don't try to convince students it's meaningful. The phenomenon is so easy to simulate subjectively that people get themselves in trouble *trying* to simulate it, and wind up wandering around in a state of classical psychological dissociation, unable to tell fantasy from reality. I might suggest that this pattern is very evident in the Jim-bot. Surely most people have noticed his compulsion to always try to one-up anyone in the realm of what he feebly considers spiritual experience. Someone mentions an experience on Batgap or FFL, and he *can't help himself* and has to come roaring in claiming to have had that experience years ago. I've often been tempted to make up some experience that Maharishi supposedly talked about out of whole cloth and post it, just to see how long it would take Jimbo to claim he'd had the made-up experience, too. :-) Anyway, my point is that this compulsion to play oneupsmanship games with one's supposed advanced consciousness is considered by older, more established meditation traditions as *pretty much what happens* when one emphasizes witnessing and pretends that it's anything but the fleeting, everyday, beginner's experience it is. Witnessing is so easy to mood-make that these teachers don't want their students going down that path and losing themselves in delusion. Jim is the perfect example of what happens when they do.
[FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on witnessing
LOL - This is Hilarious, Barry! HA! I wouldn't be so quick to denigrate witnessing, something you were lording over the rest of us, on FFL, just recently. If witnessing means so damned little to you, why does everyone on this forum, know how long you lasted, with your very limited witnessing, many years ago, before it faded? I hate to say it, but sometimes you are just...slow. You and Curtis, a couple of washed up ex-TM teachers, who never learned the techniques, they were teaching others. A real couple of lugnuts, you two, acting all high and mighty with that ex-TM teacher badge on, and you don't even know what it meant. Sure, witnessing NOW has no value - Hah, what a dopey strategy of yours. What will you decide next, that watching TV is a sure sign of enlightenment?? Probably. Look, Barry, let's stop kidding ourselves. You know, and I know, and everyone reading this knows, that when you say you have no witnessing, no established silence, and try to make this a positive, you look like a complete fool. People on this forum weren't born yesterday, and you, my friend, are getting more and more exposed, by the minute. The ex-TM teacher with no clothes. Good night, unless you have more to embarrass yourself with. Oh, and Barry? Put up, or shut up. I'll wait. - lol! :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : A rap for Curtis, now that the Jim-bot has shouted himself out and probably fallen asleep. For obvious reasons, I didn't want to get involved with Jim while he was busy doing his Biff Tanner imitation. He's clearly-out-of-control angry over the fact that he can't get me to react to his taunts, and that out-of-control-ness amuses me, so I'll allow him to continue to rant later when when he wakes up with a Boy-I-sure-shouted-them-down-didn't-I hangover. :-) But I do wish to comment on some of Curtis' comments, to add in my two centimes. Yes, I *do* agree with him in believing that Maharishi was WAY off in coming up with any meaningful interpretations of and descriptions of consciousness and what it means. And one of the key indicators of this to me is his reliance on a phenomenon that is seen as so meaningless in other meditation traditions that it is almost never spoken about, let alone suggested as a criterion for enlightenment. I am speaking, of course, of witnessing. In Tibetan and other more traditional forms of meditation teaching, this phenomenon is so commonplace and is considered so meaningless that it is almost never mentioned, except with a passing warning. The warning is to not get hung up on it, because it's so easy to (in MMY terminology) mood make the sensation to convince oneself that they're more advanced than they really are. That, interestingly enough, is the same finding that neuroscientists have gleaned from lab experiments. The phenomenon of witnessnessing can be *generated*, merely by stimulating the proper areas of the brain. Furthermore, once the subject has experienced it via stimulation, it is possible for them to bring on that experience again just by making a mood of it. That's what I honestly think happened to the Jim-bot. He had some minor experiences of witnessing, and having a shitload of ego problems and wanting some attention, he kept mood-making the experience again so that he could use it to justify his oneupsmanship games. This is *exactly* why teachers in more legitimate traditions don't focus on witnessing as anything more than a beginner's perception, and don't try to convince students it's meaningful. The phenomenon is so easy to simulate subjectively that people get themselves in trouble *trying* to simulate it, and wind up wandering around in a state of classical psychological dissociation, unable to tell fantasy from reality. I might suggest that this pattern is very evident in the Jim-bot. Surely most people have noticed his compulsion to always try to one-up anyone in the realm of what he feebly considers spiritual experience. Someone mentions an experience on Batgap or FFL, and he *can't help himself* and has to come roaring in claiming to have had that experience years ago. I've often been tempted to make up some experience that Maharishi supposedly talked about out of whole cloth and post it, just to see how long it would take Jimbo to claim he'd had the made-up experience, too. :-) Anyway, my point is that this compulsion to play oneupsmanship games with one's supposed advanced consciousness is considered by older, more established meditation traditions as *pretty much what happens* when one emphasizes witnessing and pretends that it's anything but the fleeting, everyday, beginner's experience it is. Witnessing is so easy to mood-make that these teachers don't want their students going down that path and losing themselves in delusion. Jim is the perfect example of what happens when they do.
[FairfieldLife] Please watch Barry and Curtis's misdirection, and personal attacks
...after I pin-point their lack of spiritual experience. If Barry really felt secure with regard to what he experiences, and was actually, beyond witnessing, whatever that is, would he really resort to flat out character assassination, going on for endless paragraphs, about things he just makes up about me? The only thing I have done, here, is pointed out the contradiction between what Barry says, and the limited nature of his spiritual experience. That's it. If he were secure in knowing his own truth, wouldn't he simply admit the simple fact that he has no established silence, no permanent witnessing? Why all the fuss? Why come after me? Why make it personal? These guys, Barry, and Curtis, want to keep bullshitting us. Pretending that they have far more knowledge than they possess, and acting like spiritual big deals. Why give these two ex-TM Teachers the time of day, or night? If they were enlightened, then maybe, but failing at both the techniques, and their own spiritual development, and then both of them, having the balls to be claiming victory, now? I don't think so.
[FairfieldLife] It's a Beautiful World - a film by Richard Beymer
New film shows David Lynch retracing Maharishi’s footsteps from North to South India and the start of the TM movement With video from India: New film shows David Lynch retracing Maharishi’s footsteps from North to South India and the start of the TM movement http://theuncarvedblog.com/2014/05/14/new-film-shows-david-lynch-retracing-maharishis-footsteps-from-north-to-south-india-and-the-start-of-the-tm-movement/ http://theuncarvedblog.com/2014/05/14/new-film-shows-david-lynch-retracing-maharishis-footsteps-from-north-to-south-india-and-the-start-of-the-tm-movement/ New film shows David Lynch retracing Maharishi’s footste... http://theuncarvedblog.com/2014/05/14/new-film-shows-david-lynch-retracing-maharishis-footsteps-from-north-to-south-india-and-the-start-of-the-tm-movement/ It's a Beautiful World is film by Richard Beymer of David Lynch retracing his Master's footsteps throughout India, when Maharishi left the Silence of the Hi... View on theuncarvedblog.com http://theuncarvedblog.com/2014/05/14/new-film-shows-david-lynch-retracing-maharishis-footsteps-from-north-to-south-india-and-the-start-of-the-tm-movement/ Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Please watch Barry and Curtis's misdirection, and personal attacks
This is what degenerated and decadent Buddhism does to people, it makes them spiritually lazy and prone to superstition, which is seen on a daily basis from the postings of the Buddhists here, particularily the Turq. No wonder TM is eagerly embraced in South East Asia, finally they are receiving a meditation that actually works. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : ...after I pin-point their lack of spiritual experience. If Barry really felt secure with regard to what he experiences, and was actually, beyond witnessing, whatever that is, would he really resort to flat out character assassination, going on for endless paragraphs, about things he just makes up about me? The only thing I have done, here, is pointed out the contradiction between what Barry says, and the limited nature of his spiritual experience. That's it. If he were secure in knowing his own truth, wouldn't he simply admit the simple fact that he has no established silence, no permanent witnessing? Why all the fuss? Why come after me? Why make it personal? These guys, Barry, and Curtis, want to keep bullshitting us. Pretending that they have far more knowledge than they possess, and acting like spiritual big deals. Why give these two ex-TM Teachers the time of day, or night? If they were enlightened, then maybe, but failing at both the techniques, and their own spiritual development, and then both of them, having the balls to be claiming victory, now? I don't think so.
[FairfieldLife] Why did TM *really* become so popular (for a while)?
Well, *of course* it was the Beatles. If Maharishi had never run into them, I would bet that almost no one on this forum would *be* on this forum, or would have ever heard of TM. But the Beatles just provided Maharishi's entryway into the market, so they're not the only key to its popularity (for a while). I don't think that easy to learn was the big issue, either. Yes, it's a big plus to be told that what you're about to learn is so easy that you don't have to actually DO anything -- especially for lazy, pay-my-money-now-and-want-my-results-now Americans. I think it was the combination of easy to learn and pandering to all of the people who learned it by trying to inflate their sense of self-importance. Think about it. Right from the first intro lecture, not to mention the following three nights of checking and any advanced lecture you attended, you were told that TM was The Best. All other forms of meditation were looked down upon and actively derided and scorned. The very words focus and concentration became Bad in the minds of most TMers, within a very short time. Now add to that what happened when you became more involved with the TM movement, and discovered that it was WAY hierarchical. When you began to help out at the center, you learned immediately (and wordlessly) that TM teachers were on a higher level than mere meditators. A few years went by, and you were wordlessly taught that Governors are on a higher level than mere TM teachers. A few more years, and you learned that as a non-TM-teacher you can pay the same money the teachers paid to learn the TM-Sidhis, and even receive the exact same teaching, but you'll *still* be on a lower level -- Citizen Sidhas instead of Governors. Even more years go by, and suddenly you've got more and more levels of hierarchy and perceived importance to deal with -- Ministers of the Department of Redundancy Dept., Rajas, and even Kings. There was simply NO WAY that a slacker who never even became a TM teacher was going to ever be able to climb that hierarchy...unless they had a spare million dollars lying around, that is. But there was still one area in which the lowest of the low -- the mere meditators -- could still think of themselves as superior to someone. They could feed their sense of self-importance by believing themselves superior to anyone who didn't do TM. It didn't matter if these Others practiced some other form of meditation, or if they had been doing it for decades...if it wasn't TM, it wasn't The Best, so even mere meditators were taught to look down on practitioners of other types of meditation. And then the Ultimate Pander To Self-Importance tactic showed up. It was when Maharishi did a backhand fake and changed the TM-Sidhi program from something one does for oneself to something that one does for the world. Sidhas suddenly became the Saviors of the World. As Maharishi said many times when urging people to learn the Sidhis (and, of course, pay for them), the TM-Sidhas were *The Most Important People On The Planet*. Their collective Woo Woo was all that was keeping it from disappearing in a puff of bad karma. Suddenly even mere meditators had a level of self-importance they could aspire to. They could pay their money, learn the Sidhis, and they might still be on a lower level than the Governors, but they were STILL The Most Important People On The Planet. With every thud of their butts on the foam they heard in their heads the resounding waves of applause from the universe they had been taught to expect as The Most Important People On The Planet. They were IMPORTANT. Many on this forum still believe they are. Simply because they do a mental technique they were TAUGHT was The Best and because they thud on their butts using another technique they were TAUGHT turned them into The Most Important People On The Planet. TM turned tens of thousands of people into the very antithesis of spiritual humility. Their whole concept of what the word spiritual MEANS is wrapped up in the language of The Best and The Most Important. Competition and spiritual oneupsmanship are *built in* to the system, and to the mindset being cultivated. As to what the cultivation and *encouragement* of self-importance -- programmed into an unsuspecting cult audience over a period of decades -- can do to people who fall prey to it, I suspect you need look no further than Fairfield Life. TM became popular because Maharishi sold the people who paid for it a cheap (in the beginning) beginner's technique of meditation and told them that it was an advanced technique of meditation, SO advanced that it was The Best. Nothing could possibly be better. Once they believed this, then he set about trying to program them into thinking that *they* were The Best. No one could possibly be better. As a spiritual teaching, TM is fairly unique in the history of spiritual teachings in that it sells a pathway to dissolution
[FairfieldLife] Witnessing
While alive, everybody has experience, consciousness. So 'something' is making the content of experience visible. There is always a 'witness'. The mind's interpretation of what this so-called witness is changes with practice (whichever one or ones are being used). The 24/7 kind of inner witnessing is one of those stages of change that many experience. My experience is that it basically evaporated, almost like it became a mist and soaked into the world of outer experience as if the outer world was a sponge and just vanished, that is, the so-called witness becomes identical with all other experience, with thought, objects, and action. So one cannot say 'I' am witnessing. At this point witnessing has no centre, no location, it is no longer like a receiver of experience, like an homunculus, like a little man in your head watching stuff. Descriptions and models of consciousness completely break down at this point, they are of no use because it is not possible to formulate a model that includes everything; the only thing that makes it intelligible in some way is the experience itself. What is especially intriguing is the actual experience is no different from the way it was prior to starting spiritual life, nothing is changed. This is why some teachers say one is already enlightened. It is almost as if the spiritual path is an aberration you have to grow out of to gain fulfilment; you think it is going to somehow save you and make things better, but it is just part of the dream you are trying to wake up from. Except you were already awake from the beginning. So in this sense enlightenment really does not exist. The Zen phrase 'selling water by the river' is actually pretty much how the whole thing comes down. Models are just navigation points, and roughed out approximations. People's experiences as they grow have wide variations that never seem to fit that well into the models, except perhaps for a few. So evaluating others' experiences on the basis of their conformity to a particular model has a wide possibility of error. The goal is to get people to have this experience of totality, not to berate them for their lack of conformance to a model as one is interpreting it. The spiritual path reeks with smugness, and none of us are immune.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing
The first paragraph here is a good example of what Maharishi meant by Knowledge is structured in consciousness. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : While alive, everybody has experience, consciousness. So 'something' is making the content of experience visible. There is always a 'witness'. The mind's interpretation of what this so-called witness is changes with practice (whichever one or ones are being used). The 24/7 kind of inner witnessing is one of those stages of change that many experience. My experience is that it basically evaporated, almost like it became a mist and soaked into the world of outer experience as if the outer world was a sponge and just vanished, that is, the so-called witness becomes identical with all other experience, with thought, objects, and action. So one cannot say 'I' am witnessing. At this point witnessing has no centre, no location, it is no longer like a receiver of experience, like an homunculus, like a little man in your head watching stuff. Descriptions and models of consciousness completely break down at this point, they are of no use because it is not possible to formulate a model that includes everything; the only thing that makes it intelligible in some way is the experience itself. What is especially intriguing is the actual experience is no different from the way it was prior to starting spiritual life, nothing is changed. This is why some teachers say one is already enlightened. It is almost as if the spiritual path is an aberration you have to grow out of to gain fulfilment; you think it is going to somehow save you and make things better, but it is just part of the dream you are trying to wake up from. Except you were already awake from the beginning. So in this sense enlightenment really does not exist. The Zen phrase 'selling water by the river' is actually pretty much how the whole thing comes down. Models are just navigation points, and roughed out approximations. People's experiences as they grow have wide variations that never seem to fit that well into the models, except perhaps for a few. So evaluating others' experiences on the basis of their conformity to a particular model has a wide possibility of error. The goal is to get people to have this experience of totality, not to berate them for their lack of conformance to a model as one is interpreting it. The spiritual path reeks with smugness, and none of us are immune.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the deer this morning
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Yes. Like conscious jewels in his face. Good one. As I have mentioned before, I am not a cat lover although I can appreciate their sinewy and mysterious ways of being. They certainly do lend themselves well to sculptural renditions, however. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Yep, I love the critters, too, and miss my feral black cat, from the Bay Area, who I named, 'Sylvester' - I've never tried to pet, or feed him, but he has taken refuge in the gazebo on many cold nights, and we blink back and forth a lot. Sylvester.JPG - File Shared from Box https://app.box.com/s/h9gs1dtoseplixrytx22 https://app.box.com/s/h9gs1dtoseplixrytx22 Sylvester.JPG - File Shared from Box https://app.box.com/s/h9gs1dtoseplixrytx22 Sign up | Log in Sylvester.JPG View on app.box.com https://app.box.com/s/h9gs1dtoseplixrytx22 Preview by Yahoo Who but an imaginative and artistic, not to mention creatively bold, God would think to pair such black fur with such intense golden eyes and think he could get away with it, that it would be believable?
[FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on witnessing
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : A rap for Curtis, now that the Jim-bot has shouted himself out and probably fallen asleep. For obvious reasons, I didn't want to get involved with Jim while he was busy doing his Biff Tanner imitation. He's clearly-out-of-control angry over the fact that he can't get me to react to his taunts, and that out-of-control-ness amuses me, so I'll allow him to continue to rant later when when he wakes up with a Boy-I-sure-shouted-them-down-didn't-I hangover. :-) But I do wish to comment on some of Curtis' comments, to add in my two centimes. Yes, I *do* agree with him in believing that Maharishi was WAY off in coming up with any meaningful interpretations of and descriptions of consciousness and what it means. And one of the key indicators of this to me is his reliance on a phenomenon that is seen as so meaningless in other meditation traditions that it is almost never spoken about, let alone suggested as a criterion for enlightenment. I am speaking, of course, of witnessing. In Tibetan and other more traditional forms of meditation teaching, this phenomenon is so commonplace and is considered so meaningless that it is almost never mentioned, except with a passing warning. The warning is to not get hung up on it, because it's so easy to (in MMY terminology) mood make the sensation to convince oneself that they're more advanced than they really are. That, interestingly enough, is the same finding that neuroscientists have gleaned from lab experiments. The phenomenon of witnessnessing can be *generated*, merely by stimulating the proper areas of the brain. Furthermore, once the subject has experienced it via stimulation, it is possible for them to bring on that experience again just by making a mood of it. Of course the brain can be stimulated to mimic or to create any sensation or experience for a human being. Where do you think experience comes from anyway? Out of nothing and nowhere and we just spontaneously experience something with no equipment necessary to do so? All input comes through the brain (if you've got one) and witnessing can be triggered by something as simple as fear or when you are in the midst of some very strange situation. You said yourself you witnessed for days after having been mugged or almost mugged years ago, I remember that because I have had the same thing happen in similar circumstances, where one is thrown into a different mode of functioning because of either danger or threat. That's what I honestly think happened to the Jim-bot. He had some minor experiences of witnessing, and having a shitload of ego problems and wanting some attention, he kept mood-making the experience again so that he could use it to justify his oneupsmanship games. This is *exactly* why teachers in more legitimate traditions don't focus on witnessing as anything more than a beginner's perception, and don't try to convince students it's meaningful. The phenomenon is so easy to simulate subjectively that people get themselves in trouble *trying* to simulate it, and wind up wandering around in a state of classical psychological dissociation, unable to tell fantasy from reality. I might suggest that this pattern is very evident in the Jim-bot. Surely most people have noticed his compulsion to always try to one-up anyone in the realm of what he feebly considers spiritual experience. Someone mentions an experience on Batgap or FFL, and he *can't help himself* and has to come roaring in claiming to have had that experience years ago. I've often been tempted to make up some experience that Maharishi supposedly talked about out of whole cloth and post it, just to see how long it would take Jimbo to claim he'd had the made-up experience, too. :-) Anyway, my point is that this compulsion to play oneupsmanship games with one's supposed advanced consciousness is considered by older, more established meditation traditions as *pretty much what happens* when one emphasizes witnessing and pretends that it's anything but the fleeting, everyday, beginner's experience it is. Witnessing is so easy to mood-make that these teachers don't want their students going down that path and losing themselves in delusion. Jim is the perfect example of what happens when they do. Oh dumbo, you do exactly what you are accusing Jim of doing - get all uppity and holier-than-thou and big for your britches when it comes to not only spiritual know-how but just about everything from living in the best country, eating at the best cafes and living the life only brilliant and creative people would dare and are capable of living. You are the ultimate bullshit machine here and Jim's just pushing the envelope to make you squirm. Don't you get it now? (Please don't think I want an answer - as of yet you haven't revealed anything I didn't already know about life and you're hardly going to be able to do so now.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why did TM *really* become so popular (for a while)?
No, that is not completely true. Of course Beatlemania makes an interesting observation but also makes for some wrong thinking around TM if not looked at in context. For instance, actually a lot of us learned because of Kurt Vonnegut. I started because earlier for Kurt Vonnegut TM had worked for him. That was the power of the word of mouth about the practice. Didn't know anything about TM and the Beatles at the time. -Buck
[FairfieldLife] The transition from BC to the state that comes after it
Does anyone else remember Maharishi's occasional talks on ATR courses about the state of consciousness that comes *after* Brahman Consciousness (BC)? I remember that it was referred to as SLC (for Shiva's Lingam Consciousness, a big improvement over the acronym SDC or Stiff Dick Consciousness he used in earlier versions of the talk). As I remember the lectures, the gist of the concept is that after a few years of being in Brahman Consciousness (or at the very least claiming that one is), even the BC-ers get bored trying to convince the ignorant rabble around them that they're ignorant rabble because they're not in BC like they are. There is only so much fun you can have with this. So the transition from BC to SLC is achieved when the person in BC just can't take it any more, whips out his lingam, and starts waving it in the faces of the ignorant rabble, while chanting the sacred mahavakya See? I *told* you I was important! The shakti produced by a person in SLC doing this is supposedly so powerful that it can instantly enlighten even the most ignorant rabble. Maharishi cited a passage in the Shiva Sutras that told the story of how one ancient sage in SLC enlightened an entire village of ignorant rabble with just one wag of his willy. Could it be possible that we have one of these great saints among us? I mean, the guy has now claimed to have so Been There Done That with CC, GC, UC, and BC. So is it possible that he's making the transition to SLC? You have to admit, this theory kinda covers all the bases...
[FairfieldLife] Re: The transition from BC to the state that comes after it
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Does anyone else remember Maharishi's occasional talks on ATR courses about the state of consciousness that comes *after* Brahman Consciousness (BC)? I remember that it was referred to as SLC (for Shiva's Lingam Consciousness, a big improvement over the acronym SDC or Stiff Dick Consciousness he used in earlier versions of the talk). As I remember the lectures, the gist of the concept is that after a few years of being in Brahman Consciousness (or at the very least claiming that one is), even the BC-ers get bored trying to convince the ignorant rabble around them that they're ignorant rabble because they're not in BC like they are. There is only so much fun you can have with this. So the transition from BC to SLC is achieved when the person in BC just can't take it any more, whips out his lingam, and starts waving it in the faces of the ignorant rabble, while chanting the sacred mahavakya See? I *told* you I was important! The shakti produced by a person in SLC doing this is supposedly so powerful that it can instantly enlighten even the most ignorant rabble. Maharishi cited a passage in the Shiva Sutras that told the story of how one ancient sage in SLC enlightened an entire village of ignorant rabble with just one wag of his willy. Could it be possible that we have one of these great saints among us? I mean, the guy has now claimed to have so Been There Done That with CC, GC, UC, and BC. So is it possible that he's making the transition to SLC? You have to admit, this theory kinda covers all the bases... Still stewing are you? Jim is playing you Bawee and laughing himself silly watching you continue to gripe. Keep it up, I think you're making his day, maybe even his weekend...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why did TM *really* become so popular (for a while)?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Well, *of course* it was the Beatles. If Maharishi had never run into them, I would bet that almost no one on this forum would *be* on this forum, or would have ever heard of TM. But the Beatles just provided Maharishi's entryway into the market, so they're not the only key to its popularity (for a while). I don't think that easy to learn was the big issue, either. Yes, it's a big plus to be told that what you're about to learn is so easy that you don't have to actually DO anything -- especially for lazy, pay-my-money-now-and-want-my-results-now Americans. I think it was the combination of easy to learn and pandering to all of the people who learned it by trying to inflate their sense of self-importance. Think about it. Right from the first intro lecture, not to mention the following three nights of checking and any advanced lecture you attended, you were told that TM was The Best. All other forms of meditation were looked down upon and actively derided and scorned. The very words focus and concentration became Bad in the minds of most TMers, within a very short time. Now add to that what happened when you became more involved with the TM movement, and discovered that it was WAY hierarchical. When you began to help out at the center, you learned immediately (and wordlessly) that TM teachers were on a higher level than mere meditators. A few years went by, and you were wordlessly taught that Governors are on a higher level than mere TM teachers. A few more years, and you learned that as a non-TM-teacher you can pay the same money the teachers paid to learn the TM-Sidhis, and even receive the exact same teaching, but you'll *still* be on a lower level -- Citizen Sidhas instead of Governors. Even more years go by, and suddenly you've got more and more levels of hierarchy and perceived importance to deal with -- Ministers of the Department of Redundancy Dept., Rajas, and even Kings. There was simply NO WAY that a slacker who never even became a TM teacher was going to ever be able to climb that hierarchy...unless they had a spare million dollars lying around, that is. But there was still one area in which the lowest of the low -- the mere meditators -- could still think of themselves as superior to someone. They could feed their sense of self-importance by believing themselves superior to anyone who didn't do TM. It didn't matter if these Others practiced some other form of meditation, or if they had been doing it for decades...if it wasn't TM, it wasn't The Best, so even mere meditators were taught to look down on practitioners of other types of meditation. And then the Ultimate Pander To Self-Importance tactic showed up. It was when Maharishi did a backhand fake and changed the TM-Sidhi program from something one does for oneself to something that one does for the world. Sidhas suddenly became the Saviors of the World. As Maharishi said many times when urging people to learn the Sidhis (and, of course, pay for them), the TM-Sidhas were *The Most Important People On The Planet*. Their collective Woo Woo was all that was keeping it from disappearing in a puff of bad karma. Suddenly even mere meditators had a level of self-importance they could aspire to. They could pay their money, learn the Sidhis, and they might still be on a lower level than the Governors, but they were STILL The Most Important People On The Planet. With every thud of their butts on the foam they heard in their heads the resounding waves of applause from the universe they had been taught to expect as The Most Important People On The Planet. They were IMPORTANT. Many on this forum still believe they are. Simply because they do a mental technique they were TAUGHT was The Best and because they thud on their butts using another technique they were TAUGHT turned them into The Most Important People On The Planet. TM turned tens of thousands of people into the very antithesis of spiritual humility. Their whole concept of what the word spiritual MEANS is wrapped up in the language of The Best and The Most Important. Competition and spiritual oneupsmanship are *built in* to the system, and to the mindset being cultivated. As to what the cultivation and *encouragement* of self-importance -- programmed into an unsuspecting cult audience over a period of decades -- can do to people who fall prey to it, I suspect you need look no further than Fairfield Life. TM became popular because Maharishi sold the people who paid for it a cheap (in the beginning) beginner's technique of meditation and told them that it was an advanced technique of meditation, SO advanced that it was The Best. Nothing could possibly be better. Once they believed this, then he set about trying to program them into thinking that *they* were The Best. No one could possibly be better. As a spiritual teaching, TM is fairly unique in the history
Re: [FairfieldLife] The transition from BC to the state that comes after it
Because I was once a teacher, and have no wish to lead prospective seekers Off The Path and into distractions that will hinder their spiritual progress, I must post an addendum to my reportage of this important-but-seemingly-lost Maharishi teaching. At the ATR course at which I heard it, one male TM teacher -- obviously in a fit of renewed enthusiasm at having been presented a new vision of possibilities -- pragmatically but ignorantly asked, So Maharishi, if we're in BC but having a few...uh...erectile dysfunction issues, can we still achieve SLC by taking Viagra? Maharishi pondered the question deeply, as he was wont to do when anyone asked him a question he'd never anticipated because he was so firmly established in SLC himself, and said, No. That would be like relying on psychedelic drugs to achieve enlightenment. The boner must spring forth from the Source Of All Knowledge all on its own. Just sayin' this so that none of the TM TBs here start searching their Spam folders for Viagra ads they had previously ignored. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 3:30 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The transition from BC to the state that comes after it Does anyone else remember Maharishi's occasional talks on ATR courses about the state of consciousness that comes *after* Brahman Consciousness (BC)? I remember that it was referred to as SLC (for Shiva's Lingam Consciousness, a big improvement over the acronym SDC or Stiff Dick Consciousness he used in earlier versions of the talk). As I remember the lectures, the gist of the concept is that after a few years of being in Brahman Consciousness (or at the very least claiming that one is), even the BC-ers get bored trying to convince the ignorant rabble around them that they're ignorant rabble because they're not in BC like they are. There is only so much fun you can have with this. So the transition from BC to SLC is achieved when the person in BC just can't take it any more, whips out his lingam, and starts waving it in the faces of the ignorant rabble, while chanting the sacred mahavakya See? I *told* you I was important! The shakti produced by a person in SLC doing this is supposedly so powerful that it can instantly enlighten even the most ignorant rabble. Maharishi cited a passage in the Shiva Sutras that told the story of how one ancient sage in SLC enlightened an entire village of ignorant rabble with just one wag of his willy. Could it be possible that we have one of these great saints among us? I mean, the guy has now claimed to have so Been There Done That with CC, GC, UC, and BC. So is it possible that he's making the transition to SLC? You have to admit, this theory kinda covers all the bases...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did TM *really* become so popular (for a while)?
Buck and turq, I got initiated the weekend BEFORE the Merv Griffin Show in 1975. When I came to MIU later that year, many of the people had already been meditating for 2 or 3 years. Many of them were from California. I don't remember hearing anything about the Beatles doing TM til later. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 8:31 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: No, that is not completely true. Of course Beatlemania makes an interesting observation but also makes for some wrong thinking around TM if not looked at in context. For instance, actually a lot of us learned because of Kurt Vonnegut. I started because earlier for Kurt Vonnegut TM had worked for him. That was the power of the word of mouth about the practice. Didn't know anything about TM and the Beatles at the time. -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: Please watch Barry and Curtis's misdirection, and personal attacks
It is irritating that this know nothing and his buddy, write pages and pages of opinions on here, based on NOTHING. What a phony. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : This is what degenerated and decadent Buddhism does to people, it makes them spiritually lazy and prone to superstition, which is seen on a daily basis from the postings of the Buddhists here, particularily the Turq. No wonder TM is eagerly embraced in South East Asia, finally they are receiving a meditation that actually works. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : ...after I pin-point their lack of spiritual experience. If Barry really felt secure with regard to what he experiences, and was actually, beyond witnessing, whatever that is, would he really resort to flat out character assassination, going on for endless paragraphs, about things he just makes up about me? The only thing I have done, here, is pointed out the contradiction between what Barry says, and the limited nature of his spiritual experience. That's it. If he were secure in knowing his own truth, wouldn't he simply admit the simple fact that he has no established silence, no permanent witnessing? Why all the fuss? Why come after me? Why make it personal? These guys, Barry, and Curtis, want to keep bullshitting us. Pretending that they have far more knowledge than they possess, and acting like spiritual big deals. Why give these two ex-TM Teachers the time of day, or night? If they were enlightened, then maybe, but failing at both the techniques, and their own spiritual development, and then both of them, having the balls to be claiming victory, now? I don't think so.
[FairfieldLife] Roller Girl
Just a non-sequitur, sitting in this cafe, enjoying the sunny day. It is triggered by the vision of a young, tall, slim, and stunning Dutch girl pausing for a moment to adjust her breasts for maximum effect before continuing her rollerblading tour of Leiden. I watched in awe, and this song magically began playing in my head. I dutifully pass it along... Dire Straits - Skateaway With Lyrics (Live On Fridays) Dire Straits - Skateaway With Lyrics (Live On Fridays) View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: The transition from BC to the state that comes after it
Rated VL, for very lame. You know what is the funniest part of all this, Barry? No one has disagreed with me, and no one has come to your defense. I'll bet those reporters you were talking to earlier, have a fr different opinion of you, now that they know how pathetically little you accomplished for yourself, and others, during your time, decades ago, working for Maharishi's organization. Not even step one. Now, that's funny.:-) Also kind of funny that you and Curtis, have had the same reaction to being outed as phonies. First you both got really pissed, then quickly devolved into the kind of cutesy drivel shown below. Can't one of you act independently of the other? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Does anyone else remember Maharishi's occasional talks on ATR courses about the state of consciousness that comes *after* Brahman Consciousness (BC)? snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on witnessing
Yes, Barry is being unmistakably outed as the know nothing bullshitter he is, and has been, for all of these years, and boy does it sting. All I am asking for is a little humility from him, due to his lack of spiritual experience. That's it. This isn't about me. This is about being real, and successfully calling out those who are simply propped up by their egos. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : A rap for Curtis, now that the Jim-bot has shouted himself out and probably fallen asleep. For obvious reasons, I didn't want to get involved with Jim while he was busy doing his Biff Tanner imitation. He's clearly-out-of-control angry over the fact that he can't get me to react to his taunts, and that out-of-control-ness amuses me, so I'll allow him to continue to rant later when when he wakes up with a Boy-I-sure-shouted-them-down-didn't-I hangover. :-) But I do wish to comment on some of Curtis' comments, to add in my two centimes. Yes, I *do* agree with him in believing that Maharishi was WAY off in coming up with any meaningful interpretations of and descriptions of consciousness and what it means. And one of the key indicators of this to me is his reliance on a phenomenon that is seen as so meaningless in other meditation traditions that it is almost never spoken about, let alone suggested as a criterion for enlightenment. I am speaking, of course, of witnessing. In Tibetan and other more traditional forms of meditation teaching, this phenomenon is so commonplace and is considered so meaningless that it is almost never mentioned, except with a passing warning. The warning is to not get hung up on it, because it's so easy to (in MMY terminology) mood make the sensation to convince oneself that they're more advanced than they really are. That, interestingly enough, is the same finding that neuroscientists have gleaned from lab experiments. The phenomenon of witnessnessing can be *generated*, merely by stimulating the proper areas of the brain. Furthermore, once the subject has experienced it via stimulation, it is possible for them to bring on that experience again just by making a mood of it. Of course the brain can be stimulated to mimic or to create any sensation or experience for a human being. Where do you think experience comes from anyway? Out of nothing and nowhere and we just spontaneously experience something with no equipment necessary to do so? All input comes through the brain (if you've got one) and witnessing can be triggered by something as simple as fear or when you are in the midst of some very strange situation. You said yourself you witnessed for days after having been mugged or almost mugged years ago, I remember that because I have had the same thing happen in similar circumstances, where one is thrown into a different mode of functioning because of either danger or threat. That's what I honestly think happened to the Jim-bot. He had some minor experiences of witnessing, and having a shitload of ego problems and wanting some attention, he kept mood-making the experience again so that he could use it to justify his oneupsmanship games. This is *exactly* why teachers in more legitimate traditions don't focus on witnessing as anything more than a beginner's perception, and don't try to convince students it's meaningful. The phenomenon is so easy to simulate subjectively that people get themselves in trouble *trying* to simulate it, and wind up wandering around in a state of classical psychological dissociation, unable to tell fantasy from reality. I might suggest that this pattern is very evident in the Jim-bot. Surely most people have noticed his compulsion to always try to one-up anyone in the realm of what he feebly considers spiritual experience. Someone mentions an experience on Batgap or FFL, and he *can't help himself* and has to come roaring in claiming to have had that experience years ago. I've often been tempted to make up some experience that Maharishi supposedly talked about out of whole cloth and post it, just to see how long it would take Jimbo to claim he'd had the made-up experience, too. :-) Anyway, my point is that this compulsion to play oneupsmanship games with one's supposed advanced consciousness is considered by older, more established meditation traditions as *pretty much what happens* when one emphasizes witnessing and pretends that it's anything but the fleeting, everyday, beginner's experience it is. Witnessing is so easy to mood-make that these teachers don't want their students going down that path and losing themselves in delusion. Jim is the perfect example of what happens when they do. Oh dumbo, you do exactly what you are accusing Jim of doing - get all uppity and holier-than-thou and big for your britches when it comes to not only spiritual know-how but just about everything from
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did TM *really* become so popular (for a while)?
The Beatles were later-comers-on by then. Maharishi had already been lecturing at the upper tier Universities by then, Stanford, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Cambridge University, Oxford, public lectures in places like Albert Hall, thence to Europe. Certainly everyone helped based on their experience and giving the recommend, the Beatles too. The Beatles were not a lone force in this. -Buck sharelong60 writes: Buck and turq, I got initiated the weekend BEFORE the Merv Griffin Show in 1975. When I came to MIU later that year, many of the people had already been meditating for 2 or 3 years. Many of them were from California. I don't remember hearing anything about the Beatles doing TM til later. For instance, actually a lot of us learned because of Kurt Vonnegut. I started because earlier for Kurt Vonnegut TM had worked for him. That was the power of the word of mouth about the practice. Didn't know anything about TM and the Beatles at the time. -Buck TurquoiseBee writes: Well, *of course* it was the Beatles. If Maharishi had never run into them, I would bet that almost no one on this forum would *be* on this forum, or would have ever heard of TM. But the Beatles just provided Maharishi's entryway into the market, so they're not the only key to its popularity (for a while). I don't think that easy to learn was the big issue, either. Yes, it's a big plus to be told that what you're about to learn is so easy that you don't have to actually DO anything -- especially for lazy, pay-my-money-now-and-want-my-results-now Americans. I think it was the combination of easy to learn and pandering to all of the people who learned it by trying to inflate their sense of self-importance. No, that is not completely true. Of course Beatlemania makes an interesting observation but also makes for some wrong thinking around TM if not looked at in context. -Buck
Re: [FairfieldLife] The transition from BC to the state that comes after it
Yes, Barry, you clearly once WERE a TM teacher, many, many years ago. We are all bored to death with you trotting this out, especially since it is now clear that you left. simply because you didn't know what you were doing. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Because I was once a teacher, snip
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did TM *really* become so popular (for a while)?
The truth is that Maharishi in coming to the West was facilitated around and across the Pacific rim, North America and to Europe and back again based on his lecturing and teaching a simple transcending meditation that people liked. TM and Maharishi was well launched and heading into orbit well before the Beatles. The Beatles were later-comers-on by then. Maharishi had already been lecturing at the upper tier Universities by then, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Cambridge University, Oxford, public lectures in places like Albert Hall, thence to Europe. Certainly everyone helped based on their experience and giving the recommend, the Beatles too. The Beatles were not a lone force in this. -Buck sharelong60 writes: Buck and turq, I got initiated the weekend BEFORE the Merv Griffin Show in 1975. When I came to MIU later that year, many of the people had already been meditating for 2 or 3 years. Many of them were from California. I don't remember hearing anything about the Beatles doing TM til later. For instance, actually a lot of us learned because of Kurt Vonnegut. I started because earlier for Kurt Vonnegut TM had worked for him. That was the power of the word of mouth about the practice. Didn't know anything about TM and the Beatles at the time. -Buck TurquoiseBee writes: Well, *of course* it was the Beatles. If Maharishi had never run into them, I would bet that almost no one on this forum would *be* on this forum, or would have ever heard of TM. But the Beatles just provided Maharishi's entryway into the market, so they're not the only key to its popularity (for a while). I don't think that easy to learn was the big issue, either. Yes, it's a big plus to be told that what you're about to learn is so easy that you don't have to actually DO anything -- especially for lazy, pay-my-money-now-and-want-my-results-now Americans. I think it was the combination of easy to learn and pandering to all of the people who learned it by trying to inflate their sense of self-importance. No, that is not completely true. Of course Beatlemania makes an interesting observation but also makes for some wrong thinking around TM if not looked at in context. -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why did TM *really* become so popular (for a while)?
Barry. How many words wasted here, this morning, instead of the simple ones we all want to hear - Please, please please admit to us here, that you have no foundation in Being, no established silence, and no witnessing. In other words, no foundation of Maharishi's teaching, and certainly no enlightenment. Then we will take you for who you are - An ex-TM teacher, who could get to spiritual first base. Howzabout it?:-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Well, *of course* it was the Beatles. snip
[FairfieldLife] It was good, while it lasted, huh?
Yep, Barry and Curtis had a lng run on here, holding forth on their days in the Movement, challenging damned near everything Maharishi said, and acting like the definitive experts on all things TM. Seems pretty laughable now. All those years of getting away with it, only to be clearly exposed, as they now run amok. This forum is for those with a genuine desire to learn and discover. It is NOT a place where a couple of washouts from the TMO can sit around, bullshitting us all. Anyway, thank you for all the support in getting this place real. Let's send the ex-TM teachers back where they came from. What a couple of Losers.
Re: [FairfieldLife] It was good, while it lasted, huh?
jeez, Doc, I hope you're kidding! I happen to enjoy most posts from Curtis and some from turq too. I'd rather not vote them out of the Funny Farm Lounge. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:05 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yep, Barry and Curtis had a lng run on here, holding forth on their days in the Movement, challenging damned near everything Maharishi said, and acting like the definitive experts on all things TM. Seems pretty laughable now. All those years of getting away with it, only to be clearly exposed, as they now run amok. This forum is for those with a genuine desire to learn and discover. It is NOT a place where a couple of washouts from the TMO can sit around, bullshitting us all. Anyway, thank you for all the support in getting this place real. Let's send the ex-TM teachers back where they came from. What a couple of Losers.
Re: [FairfieldLife] It was good, while it lasted, huh?
Vote them out? No need for that - they will wither on the vine, naturally, though I am sure that if you want to, you can follow them to wherever they end up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : jeez, Doc, I hope you're kidding! I happen to enjoy most posts from Curtis and some from turq too. I'd rather not vote them out of the Funny Farm Lounge. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:05 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yep, Barry and Curtis had a lng run on here, holding forth on their days in the Movement, challenging damned near everything Maharishi said, and acting like the definitive experts on all things TM. Seems pretty laughable now. All those years of getting away with it, only to be clearly exposed, as they now run amok. This forum is for those with a genuine desire to learn and discover. It is NOT a place where a couple of washouts from the TMO can sit around, bullshitting us all. Anyway, thank you for all the support in getting this place real. Let's send the ex-TM teachers back where they came from. What a couple of Losers.
[FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on witnessing
Yes it was an interesting ride since I was trapped for two days setting up my new laptop. I had been resisting for years because I didn't think my non 64 bit professional graphics and web building programs would run on 64 bit bit Windows. But I had to go for it to edit videos and to my delight my old school programs do run and much faster! My days also included interactions with viruses and reinstalling the whole operating system, so lets just say I had time staring at a screen... I was happy to encourage Jim run his thing because I have always had a theory about his experiences and this interaction seems consistent with that. It was interesting to watch him go. He is certainly stuck somewhere and letting him do an imitation of that Indian poster, whose name shall not be spoken, for a while should be instructive for those on this forum who give him his enlightened pass. It all made a fantastic example of one of my original points about how subjectively reported higher states get you zero in epistemology points. Anybody can say anything for all sorts of reasons and our language is too imprecise to sort it all out. Perhaps MRI will someday. I think the knowledge of dissociative disorders has to be integrated into an discussion of spiritual states of mind. Margret Singer told me that TM people were the most dissociated ex cult members she worked with. If you combine this with a weakness toward this condition you get...well you know! It erodes the ability to distinguish fact from fantasy. This is one of my complaints about spiritual systems in general, lack of integrating psychological information and imprecise language with lots of social rewards for going along with people who are disturbed. Thanks for the info. I think that Tibetan perspective matches how I understood Maharishis teaching. Jim's perspective is only his own. At its root is something about feeling superior based on an assumption about himself that we are not buying. The name Jim-bot was too perfect. The combination of what I was dealing with on my computer and with him was scarily parallel! But it also reminded me of interactions with others here who go off this bend in an aggressive way toward me. It is an internet hazard. I'm back on the road but will post when I can. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : A rap for Curtis, now that the Jim-bot has shouted himself out and probably fallen asleep. For obvious reasons, I didn't want to get involved with Jim while he was busy doing his Biff Tanner imitation. He's clearly-out-of-control angry over the fact that he can't get me to react to his taunts, and that out-of-control-ness amuses me, so I'll allow him to continue to rant later when when he wakes up with a Boy-I-sure-shouted-them-down-didn't-I hangover. :-) But I do wish to comment on some of Curtis' comments, to add in my two centimes. Yes, I *do* agree with him in believing that Maharishi was WAY off in coming up with any meaningful interpretations of and descriptions of consciousness and what it means. And one of the key indicators of this to me is his reliance on a phenomenon that is seen as so meaningless in other meditation traditions that it is almost never spoken about, let alone suggested as a criterion for enlightenment. I am speaking, of course, of witnessing. In Tibetan and other more traditional forms of meditation teaching, this phenomenon is so commonplace and is considered so meaningless that it is almost never mentioned, except with a passing warning. The warning is to not get hung up on it, because it's so easy to (in MMY terminology) mood make the sensation to convince oneself that they're more advanced than they really are. That, interestingly enough, is the same finding that neuroscientists have gleaned from lab experiments. The phenomenon of witnessnessing can be *generated*, merely by stimulating the proper areas of the brain. Furthermore, once the subject has experienced it via stimulation, it is possible for them to bring on that experience again just by making a mood of it. That's what I honestly think happened to the Jim-bot. He had some minor experiences of witnessing, and having a shitload of ego problems and wanting some attention, he kept mood-making the experience again so that he could use it to justify his oneupsmanship games. This is *exactly* why teachers in more legitimate traditions don't focus on witnessing as anything more than a beginner's perception, and don't try to convince students it's meaningful. The phenomenon is so easy to simulate subjectively that people get themselves in trouble *trying* to simulate it, and wind up wandering around in a state of classical psychological dissociation, unable to tell fantasy from reality. I might suggest that this pattern is very evident in the Jim-bot. Surely most people have noticed his compulsion to always try to one-up anyone in the realm of what
Re: [FairfieldLife] It was good, while it lasted, huh?
Well, Doc, you said something about sending them back, etc. Anyway, I'm pretty sure we're all ending up in the same place...Enjoy (-: On Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:12 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: jeez, Doc, I hope you're kidding! I happen to enjoy most posts from Curtis and some from turq too. I'd rather not vote them out of the Funny Farm Lounge. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:05 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yep, Barry and Curtis had a lng run on here, holding forth on their days in the Movement, challenging damned near everything Maharishi said, and acting like the definitive experts on all things TM. Seems pretty laughable now. All those years of getting away with it, only to be clearly exposed, as they now run amok. This forum is for those with a genuine desire to learn and discover. It is NOT a place where a couple of washouts from the TMO can sit around, bullshitting us all. Anyway, thank you for all the support in getting this place real. Let's send the ex-TM teachers back where they came from. What a couple of Losers.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the deer this morning
I love cats, though mostly I am glad the adorable little bastards are the [small] size that they are - ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Yes. Like conscious jewels in his face. Good one. As I have mentioned before, I am not a cat lover although I can appreciate their sinewy and mysterious ways of being. They certainly do lend themselves well to sculptural renditions, however. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Yep, I love the critters, too, and miss my feral black cat, from the Bay Area, who I named, 'Sylvester' - I've never tried to pet, or feed him, but he has taken refuge in the gazebo on many cold nights, and we blink back and forth a lot. Sylvester.JPG - File Shared from Box https://app.box.com/s/h9gs1dtoseplixrytx22 https://app.box.com/s/h9gs1dtoseplixrytx22 Sylvester.JPG - File Shared from Box https://app.box.com/s/h9gs1dtoseplixrytx22 Sign up | Log in Sylvester.JPG View on app.box.com https://app.box.com/s/h9gs1dtoseplixrytx22 Preview by Yahoo Who but an imaginative and artistic, not to mention creatively bold, God would think to pair such black fur with such intense golden eyes and think he could get away with it, that it would be believable?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why did TM *really* become so popular (for a while)?
Almost 900 words devoted to an attempt to make TMers feel bad about themselves. This, of course, is how Barry makes himself feel Special these days--by attributing to TMers the fantasies of Specialness that he himself entertained about TM. Ultimately it didn't work out, so he moved on to Rama to get his Specialness fix. But that didn't end well either, so he tried becoming an expat. Looks like that isn't doing it for him any more, so he has to double down on his More Special Than TMers rap. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Barry. How many words wasted here, this morning, instead of the simple ones we all want to hear - Please, please please admit to us here, that you have no foundation in Being, no established silence, and no witnessing. In other words, no foundation of Maharishi's teaching, and certainly no enlightenment. Then we will take you for who you are - An ex-TM teacher, who could get to spiritual first base. Howzabout it?:-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Well, *of course* it was the Beatles. snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on witnessing
I'd be embarrassed too, Curtis, if I were you, and looking for any possible way for a washed up ex-TM teacher to try to get people to take him seriously, again. This ain't about me, remember?? You and Barry, both, are spending an awful lot of time, trying to make me look bad. Why not just both admit that neither is enlightened? That you speak with the authority of fantasy? That you missed the boat spiritually? All of these pages and pages both of you write, instead of simply admitting your ego-bound bullshittery (thanks for that word - suits the situation, perfectly). Oh, well, time to go back to watching both of squirm. Sigh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Yes it was an interesting ride since I was trapped for two days setting up my new laptop. snip
Re: [FairfieldLife] It was good, while it lasted, huh?
Sorry, I am not conversant with all of the customs and procedures, on Planet Share. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Well, Doc, you said something about sending them back, etc. Anyway, I'm pretty sure we're all ending up in the same place...Enjoy (-: On Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:12 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: jeez, Doc, I hope you're kidding! I happen to enjoy most posts from Curtis and some from turq too. I'd rather not vote them out of the Funny Farm Lounge. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:05 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yep, Barry and Curtis had a lng run on here, holding forth on their days in the Movement, challenging damned near everything Maharishi said, and acting like the definitive experts on all things TM. Seems pretty laughable now. All those years of getting away with it, only to be clearly exposed, as they now run amok. This forum is for those with a genuine desire to learn and discover. It is NOT a place where a couple of washouts from the TMO can sit around, bullshitting us all. Anyway, thank you for all the support in getting this place real. Let's send the ex-TM teachers back where they came from. What a couple of Losers.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why did TM *really* become so popular (for a while)?
I certainly did not expect this reaction from these two. I guess there is a lot at stake for both of them. Unfortunately, they will not be seen in the same light, again, here on FFL. Nobody's loss, though. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Almost 900 words devoted to an attempt to make TMers feel bad about themselves. This, of course, is how Barry makes himself feel Special these days--by attributing to TMers the fantasies of Specialness that he himself entertained about TM. Ultimately it didn't work out, so he moved on to Rama to get his Specialness fix. But that didn't end well either, so he tried becoming an expat. Looks like that isn't doing it for him any more, so he has to double down on his More Special Than TMers rap. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Barry. How many words wasted here, this morning, instead of the simple ones we all want to hear - Please, please please admit to us here, that you have no foundation in Being, no established silence, and no witnessing. In other words, no foundation of Maharishi's teaching, and certainly no enlightenment. Then we will take you for who you are - An ex-TM teacher, who could get to spiritual first base. Howzabout it?:-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Well, *of course* it was the Beatles. snip
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on witnessing
Always good to hear from you when you have the time. I updated my old laptop a few months ago myself, and find myself remarkably enamored of 64-bit Win8...at least after I added the missing Start menu functions back into it. As for the elevation of experiences to pedestal status, as I wrote earlier I think this was part of the plan. The only way Maharishi could convince the people who'd spent money on one of his products to spend more on other products was to promise them better experiences, and thus more groupie status within the perceived Importance Hierarchy. As should not be a surprise, I completely agree with you that the science of dissociative disorders pretty much *has* to be considered when evaluating claims of spiritual experience. If it quacks like dissociation and acts like dissociation but claims to be enlightenment, most sane people are going to come down on the side of dissociation. As for providing a perfect example, well, as I've said many times, my basic theory for how to deal with spiritual poseurs is to taunt them into posing. Then they *demonstrate* who and what they are. *Much* more effective than wasting all that time trying to *tell* people who and what they are. From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 5:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on witnessing Yes it was an interesting ride since I was trapped for two days setting up my new laptop. I had been resisting for years because I didn't think my non 64 bit professional graphics and web building programs would run on 64 bit bit Windows. But I had to go for it to edit videos and to my delight my old school programs do run and much faster! My days also included interactions with viruses and reinstalling the whole operating system, so lets just say I had time staring at a screen... I was happy to encourage Jim run his thing because I have always had a theory about his experiences and this interaction seems consistent with that. It was interesting to watch him go. He is certainly stuck somewhere and letting him do an imitation of that Indian poster, whose name shall not be spoken, for a while should be instructive for those on this forum who give him his enlightened pass. It all made a fantastic example of one of my original points about how subjectively reported higher states get you zero in epistemology points. Anybody can say anything for all sorts of reasons and our language is too imprecise to sort it all out. Perhaps MRI will someday. I think the knowledge of dissociative disorders has to be integrated into an discussion of spiritual states of mind. Margret Singer told me that TM people were the most dissociated ex cult members she worked with. If you combine this with a weakness toward this condition you get...well you know! It erodes the ability to distinguish fact from fantasy. This is one of my complaints about spiritual systems in general, lack of integrating psychological information and imprecise language with lots of social rewards for going along with people who are disturbed. Thanks for the info. I think that Tibetan perspective matches how I understood Maharishis teaching. Jim's perspective is only his own. At its root is something about feeling superior based on an assumption about himself that we are not buying. The name Jim-bot was too perfect. The combination of what I was dealing with on my computer and with him was scarily parallel! But it also reminded me of interactions with others here who go off this bend in an aggressive way toward me. It is an internet hazard. I'm back on the road but will post when I can. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : A rap for Curtis, now that the Jim-bot has shouted himself out and probably fallen asleep. For obvious reasons, I didn't want to get involved with Jim while he was busy doing his Biff Tanner imitation. He's clearly-out-of-control angry over the fact that he can't get me to react to his taunts, and that out-of-control-ness amuses me, so I'll allow him to continue to rant later when when he wakes up with a Boy-I-sure-shouted-them-down-didn't-I hangover. :-) But I do wish to comment on some of Curtis' comments, to add in my two centimes. Yes, I *do* agree with him in believing that Maharishi was WAY off in coming up with any meaningful interpretations of and descriptions of consciousness and what it means. And one of the key indicators of this to me is his reliance on a phenomenon that is seen as so meaningless in other meditation traditions that it is almost never spoken about, let alone suggested as a criterion for enlightenment. I am speaking, of course, of witnessing. In Tibetan and other more traditional forms of meditation teaching, this phenomenon is so commonplace and is considered so meaningless
Re: [FairfieldLife] It was good, while it lasted, huh?
Doc, that's ok, everything has it's pluses and minuses (-: On Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:24 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Well, Doc, you said something about sending them back, etc. Anyway, I'm pretty sure we're all ending up in the same place...Enjoy (-: On Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:12 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: jeez, Doc, I hope you're kidding! I happen to enjoy most posts from Curtis and some from turq too. I'd rather not vote them out of the Funny Farm Lounge. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:05 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yep, Barry and Curtis had a lng run on here, holding forth on their days in the Movement, challenging damned near everything Maharishi said, and acting like the definitive experts on all things TM. Seems pretty laughable now. All those years of getting away with it, only to be clearly exposed, as they now run amok. This forum is for those with a genuine desire to learn and discover. It is NOT a place where a couple of washouts from the TMO can sit around, bullshitting us all. Anyway, thank you for all the support in getting this place real. Let's send the ex-TM teachers back where they came from. What a couple of Losers.
[FairfieldLife] Graduation Day
I am in a college town, and today is the day - It got a little wild last night, downtown - I sat and watched all the hooting and hollering for awhile. There is a bar here that used to be a museum, so someone bought the museum, attached all the stuff to the walls and ceilings, began serving beer and burgers, and voila! If anyone knows Bucks in the Bay Area, this is Bucks on steroids. We are having a heat spell - keeping everyone outside.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016
Richard, I think the soul enters the body at 3 months. I'm not sure what should be done after that. On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 9:54 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 5/14/2014 4:28 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: They consider it MURDER. Not just rhetoric; that is how they really see it, as the murder of a child. That is why they are so upset about it. I do not agree, at all, but I certainly see why they become fanatics. At what point does abortion become murder or feticide? In comparison to other developed countries, the procedure is more available in the United States in terms of how late the abortion can legally be performed. This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The transition from BC to the state that comes after it
Has anybody else noticed how obsessed with dicks Barry is lately? (BTW, Barry, Viagra didn't come onto the market until long after you'd beat feet from the TMO.) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Because I was once a teacher, and have no wish to lead prospective seekers Off The Path and into distractions that will hinder their spiritual progress, I must post an addendum to my reportage of this important-but-seemingly-lost Maharishi teaching. At the ATR course at which I heard it, one male TM teacher -- obviously in a fit of renewed enthusiasm at having been presented a new vision of possibilities -- pragmatically but ignorantly asked, So Maharishi, if we're in BC but having a few...uh...erectile dysfunction issues, can we still achieve SLC by taking Viagra? Maharishi pondered the question deeply, as he was wont to do when anyone asked him a question he'd never anticipated because he was so firmly established in SLC himself, and said, No. That would be like relying on psychedelic drugs to achieve enlightenment. The boner must spring forth from the Source Of All Knowledge all on its own. Just sayin' this so that none of the TM TBs here start searching their Spam folders for Viagra ads they had previously ignored. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 3:30 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The transition from BC to the state that comes after it Does anyone else remember Maharishi's occasional talks on ATR courses about the state of consciousness that comes *after* Brahman Consciousness (BC)? I remember that it was referred to as SLC (for Shiva's Lingam Consciousness, a big improvement over the acronym SDC or Stiff Dick Consciousness he used in earlier versions of the talk). As I remember the lectures, the gist of the concept is that after a few years of being in Brahman Consciousness (or at the very least claiming that one is), even the BC-ers get bored trying to convince the ignorant rabble around them that they're ignorant rabble because they're not in BC like they are. There is only so much fun you can have with this. So the transition from BC to SLC is achieved when the person in BC just can't take it any more, whips out his lingam, and starts waving it in the faces of the ignorant rabble, while chanting the sacred mahavakya See? I *told* you I was important! The shakti produced by a person in SLC doing this is supposedly so powerful that it can instantly enlighten even the most ignorant rabble. Maharishi cited a passage in the Shiva Sutras that told the story of how one ancient sage in SLC enlightened an entire village of ignorant rabble with just one wag of his willy. Could it be possible that we have one of these great saints among us? I mean, the guy has now claimed to have so Been There Done That with CC, GC, UC, and BC. So is it possible that he's making the transition to SLC? You have to admit, this theory kinda covers all the bases...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on witnessing
As I believe was mentioned here not long ago, as far as DSM-IV is concerned, dissociation is to be considered a disorder only if it bothers the person who is experiencing it. As should not be a surprise, I completely agree with you that the science of dissociative disorders pretty much *has* to be considered when evaluating claims of spiritual experience. If it quacks like dissociation and acts like dissociation but claims to be enlightenment, most sane people are going to come down on the side of dissociation.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The transition from BC to the state that comes after it
Probably still trying to work himself up, so to speak, after the multidimensional woman from his Rama daze, laughed at his attempts to flirt with her. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Has anybody else noticed how obsessed with dicks Barry is lately? (BTW, Barry, Viagra didn't come onto the market until long after you'd beat feet from the TMO.) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Because I was once a teacher, and have no wish to lead prospective seekers Off The Path and into distractions that will hinder their spiritual progress, I must post an addendum to my reportage of this important-but-seemingly-lost Maharishi teaching. At the ATR course at which I heard it, one male TM teacher -- obviously in a fit of renewed enthusiasm at having been presented a new vision of possibilities -- pragmatically but ignorantly asked, So Maharishi, if we're in BC but having a few...uh...erectile dysfunction issues, can we still achieve SLC by taking Viagra? Maharishi pondered the question deeply, as he was wont to do when anyone asked him a question he'd never anticipated because he was so firmly established in SLC himself, and said, No. That would be like relying on psychedelic drugs to achieve enlightenment. The boner must spring forth from the Source Of All Knowledge all on its own. Just sayin' this so that none of the TM TBs here start searching their Spam folders for Viagra ads they had previously ignored. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 3:30 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The transition from BC to the state that comes after it Does anyone else remember Maharishi's occasional talks on ATR courses about the state of consciousness that comes *after* Brahman Consciousness (BC)? I remember that it was referred to as SLC (for Shiva's Lingam Consciousness, a big improvement over the acronym SDC or Stiff Dick Consciousness he used in earlier versions of the talk). As I remember the lectures, the gist of the concept is that after a few years of being in Brahman Consciousness (or at the very least claiming that one is), even the BC-ers get bored trying to convince the ignorant rabble around them that they're ignorant rabble because they're not in BC like they are. There is only so much fun you can have with this. So the transition from BC to SLC is achieved when the person in BC just can't take it any more, whips out his lingam, and starts waving it in the faces of the ignorant rabble, while chanting the sacred mahavakya See? I *told* you I was important! The shakti produced by a person in SLC doing this is supposedly so powerful that it can instantly enlighten even the most ignorant rabble. Maharishi cited a passage in the Shiva Sutras that told the story of how one ancient sage in SLC enlightened an entire village of ignorant rabble with just one wag of his willy. Could it be possible that we have one of these great saints among us? I mean, the guy has now claimed to have so Been There Done That with CC, GC, UC, and BC. So is it possible that he's making the transition to SLC? You have to admit, this theory kinda covers all the bases...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
Richard, I'd appreciate it if you'd be a little more careful with snipping. You've erroneously attributed this bit about challenging Maharishi's assumptions to me when it was Curtis who said it! On Friday, May 16, 2014 4:52 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 5/16/2014 4:00 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I challenge his fundamental assumption that knowledge is structured in consciousness. This is epistemological bogus and psychologically manipulative. You've totally lost me on this one. It is a standard Vedanta and Vajrayana theory first put forth by Asanga - that consciousness is the ultimate reality. Apparently they don't teach Hindu Vedanta or Buddhist Vajrayana philosophy at MUM. Go figure. Duality is only an appearance; non-duality is the real truth. The object exists as an object for the knowing subject; but it does not exist outside of consciousness because the distinction of subject and object is within consciousness. (IV 25-27) Sharma, p. 245-246. According to Sam Harris, to say that consciousness may only seem to exist is to admit its existence in full—for if things seem any way at all, that is consciousness. Consciousness is the one thing in this universe that cannot be an illusion. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016
On what basis do you think this? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I think the soul enters the body at 3 months. I'm not sure what should be done after that.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016
Judy, opening a can of worms, I think this because I heard through the grapevine that Maharishi said it. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:53 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On what basis do you think this? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I think the soul enters the body at 3 months. I'm not sure what should be done after that.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on witnessing
Such a red herring. And so reminiscent of those autocratic regimes, who always declare their detractors and critics, crazy. Calling me crazy isn't going to magically establish them in Being, in silence, in permanent witnessing. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : As I believe was mentioned here not long ago, as far as DSM-IV is concerned, dissociation is to be considered a disorder only if it bothers the person who is experiencing it. As should not be a surprise, I completely agree with you that the science of dissociative disorders pretty much *has* to be considered when evaluating claims of spiritual experience. If it quacks like dissociation and acts like dissociation but claims to be enlightenment, most sane people are going to come down on the side of dissociation.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
Richard, I love this quote from LB. I like the word gripping. I think it helps create an embodied understanding instead of just a heady one. I think in terms of enlightenment, etc. the energy body is where the rubber meets the road. Meaning, it don't matter much what we're thinking or sensing or even emoting. What matters in terms of our actual experience, is what's happening in our energy field. This is why I value energy work. On Friday, May 16, 2014 9:44 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 5/16/2014 6:04 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: How do you feel it is a trick of the mind? From deep personal experience, I can tell you that it is possible to intellectually understand that it's all maya while still remaining in the grip of it. - L.B. Shriver FFL Message 5712 --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: It was good, while it lasted, huh?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Well, Doc, you said something about sending them back, etc. Anyway, I'm pretty sure we're all ending up in the same place...Enjoy (-: Crikey, I hope not. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:12 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: jeez, Doc, I hope you're kidding! I happen to enjoy most posts from Curtis and some from turq too. I'd rather not vote them out of the Funny Farm Lounge. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:05 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yep, Barry and Curtis had a lng run on here, holding forth on their days in the Movement, challenging damned near everything Maharishi said, and acting like the definitive experts on all things TM. Seems pretty laughable now. All those years of getting away with it, only to be clearly exposed, as they now run amok. This forum is for those with a genuine desire to learn and discover. It is NOT a place where a couple of washouts from the TMO can sit around, bullshitting us all. Anyway, thank you for all the support in getting this place real. Let's send the ex-TM teachers back where they came from. What a couple of Losers.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016
And he would have known this how, do you think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, opening a can of worms, I think this because I heard through the grapevine that Maharishi said it. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:53 AM, authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On what basis do you think this? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I think the soul enters the body at 3 months. I'm not sure what should be done after that.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
Richard, the problem with Sam Harris' definition is that it might lead people into *trying not to be judgmental and discursive. Which of course is counter productive to that settled state. But if it works for people, great. On Friday, May 16, 2014 10:04 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 5/16/2014 9:49 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Actually, according to the dictionary, meditation can mean several different things depending on the context. You can use the term in an everyday sense to mean to think things over, but it doesn't simply mean that, and that isn't what it means when we use it on FFL or in the context of a spiritual practice. To claim that's all it means just makes you look dumb. According to the dictionary, meditation means simply 'to think things over'. So, I wonder what it is in practicing TM that you do if not simply thinking things over? It's not concentration and it's not mind-control. What is it, exactly? According to Sam Harris, mindfulness is simply a state of clear, nonjudgmental, and nondiscursive attention to the contents of consciousness, whether pleasant or unpleasant. Developing this quality of mind has been shown to reduce pain, anxiety, and depression; improve cognitive function; and even produce changes in gray matter density in regions of the brain related to learning and memory, emotional regulation, and self-awareness. This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did TM *really* become so popular (for a while)?
Marshy lectured at these places because the intelligentsia of said institutions
were curious about him and in his early days he did come across with relative
simplicity and sincerity. Later he got greedy and venal with his machinations.
Read the book Call No Man Master - the lady wrote it was around Marshy all the
time and she chronicles the beginning of his creating a hierarchy of
specialness around in, encouraging his followers to vie with one another to be
good enough to spend time with him, and the beginning of his focus on money,
money money money! And the Turq is correct - the Beatles really put him on the
map. From relative obscurity he went to having every reporter in the world
stick a camera and microphone in his face and ask him about his deal. He must
have had them pundits back home doing the right yagyas for financial and egoic
success cuz he shore nuff got it in that moment. Even though he dissed the Fab
Four towards the end of his career as
a con artist, you know, when he was in his dotage?
On Sat, 5/17/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did TM *really* become so popular (for a
while)?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 17, 2014, 2:55 PM
The Beatles
were later-comers-on by
then. Maharishi had already been lecturing at the upper
tier
Universities by then, Stanford, Harvard, Yale, Princeton,
Cambridge
University, Oxford, public lectures in places like Albert
Hall,
thence to Europe. Certainly everyone helped based on their
experience and giving the recommend, the Beatles too. The
Beatles
were not a lone force in this.
-Buck
sharelong60
writes:Buck and turq, I got
initiated the weekend BEFORE the Merv Griffin Show in 1975.
When I came to MIU later that year, many of the people had
already been meditating for 2 or 3 years. Many of them were
from California. I don't remember hearing anything about
the Beatles doing TM til later.
For instance,
actually a lot of us learned because of
Kurt Vonnegut. I started because earlier for Kurt Vonnegut
TM had
worked for him. That was the power of the word of mouth
about the practice. Didn't know anything about TM and
the Beatles at the
time. -Buck
TurquoiseBee
writes:
Well, *of
course* it was the Beatles. If Maharishi had never run into
them, I would bet that almost no one on this forum would
*be* on this forum, or would have ever heard of TM. But the
Beatles just provided Maharishi's entryway into the
market, so they're not the only key to its popularity
(for a while). I don't think that easy to
learn was the big issue, either. Yes, it's a big
plus to be told that what you're about to learn is so
easy that you don't have to actually DO anything --
especially for lazy,
pay-my-money-now-and-want-my-results-now
Americans.
I
think it was the combination of easy to learn
and pandering to all of the people who learned it by trying
to inflate their sense of self-importance.
No, that is not completely true.
Of course Beatlemania makes an interesting observation but
also makes for some wrong thinking around TM if not looked
at in context. -Buck
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It was good, while it lasted, huh?
Ann, I believe that we're all ending up united with all that is. Eventually! On Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:01 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Well, Doc, you said something about sending them back, etc. Anyway, I'm pretty sure we're all ending up in the same place...Enjoy (-: Crikey, I hope not. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:12 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: jeez, Doc, I hope you're kidding! I happen to enjoy most posts from Curtis and some from turq too. I'd rather not vote them out of the Funny Farm Lounge. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:05 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yep, Barry and Curtis had a lng run on here, holding forth on their days in the Movement, challenging damned near everything Maharishi said, and acting like the definitive experts on all things TM. Seems pretty laughable now. All those years of getting away with it, only to be clearly exposed, as they now run amok. This forum is for those with a genuine desire to learn and discover. It is NOT a place where a couple of washouts from the TMO can sit around, bullshitting us all. Anyway, thank you for all the support in getting this place real. Let's send the ex-TM teachers back where they came from. What a couple of Losers.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016
Judy, important to repeat that I did not myself hear Maharishi say this. But it makes sense to me and if he did say it, I'd say he got it from an ancient source of wisdom. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:03 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: And he would have known this how, do you think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, opening a can of worms, I think this because I heard through the grapevine that Maharishi said it. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:53 AM, authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On what basis do you think this? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I think the soul enters the body at 3 months. I'm not sure what should be done after that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Life on Mars
Hoagland, whose conspiracy theory it is, appears to be something of a crackpot. Look at the last of the links at the end, about India's moon mission: http://exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-81.htm http://exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-81.htm I'm highly dubious about the conspiracy theory at the end though, why would NASA be trying to convince us that we live in an otherwise lifeless universe when it knows otherwise? It's a ridiculous idea that we wouldn't be able to cope with knowledge of alien life, look at Nabby, the prospect don't seem to bother him much!- Poor guy thinks we already have proof and that they come all this way just to make pretty shapes in wheatfields!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It was good, while it lasted, huh?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I believe that we're all ending up united with all that is. Eventually! And you don't think we're all united with the Absolute, with consciousness, with Being already? On Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:01 AM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Well, Doc, you said something about sending them back, etc. Anyway, I'm pretty sure we're all ending up in the same place...Enjoy (-: Crikey, I hope not. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:12 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: jeez, Doc, I hope you're kidding! I happen to enjoy most posts from Curtis and some from turq too. I'd rather not vote them out of the Funny Farm Lounge. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:05 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yep, Barry and Curtis had a lng run on here, holding forth on their days in the Movement, challenging damned near everything Maharishi said, and acting like the definitive experts on all things TM. Seems pretty laughable now. All those years of getting away with it, only to be clearly exposed, as they now run amok. This forum is for those with a genuine desire to learn and discover. It is NOT a place where a couple of washouts from the TMO can sit around, bullshitting us all. Anyway, thank you for all the support in getting this place real. Let's send the ex-TM teachers back where they came from. What a couple of Losers.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
Doc, I like what you say here. Meaning, it resonates with my own experience and I've never heard it said in quite this way. Thanks... On Friday, May 16, 2014 6:17 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: it is an excellent mahavakya, but too much to not disassemble. The key is the identity. The more bound the identity, the less consciousness there is between the mind and the unified field (not sure what you mean here, by unified field, but infinite correlation will do). So, as the identity expands, through Unity and beyond, the mind has many more resources available to it, and syncs up with the unified field, much more easily - more data points, easier to stay on track. The freedom is not only in the number of available choices, but also understanding the relative value of each. Hope that helps. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, what do you think is the relationship between the mind and the unified field? This is what I'm pondering about the last couple of months. On Friday, May 16, 2014 3:52 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Curtis writes: The problem was that I don't think he [Maharishi] is right about human consciousness. My only question is: How do you know Maharishi is wrong, if you have not completed the first step in his model of human conciousness, Cosmic Consciousness? J: I have never come across a more close-minded and idiotic perspective on TM. Neither one of you is established in Being, and yet you say, without having experienced it, and without knowing the first thing about Maharishi's model of consciousness, that you deny it. Neither one of you is established in being It's that phrase again. Language is a big problem here. If I was to say I have an experience caused by my brain having learnt over time to experience a separation of my thoughts and the way the conscious substrate of qualia visualises 3 dimensional space, everyone would say so what? But couch the perception in holy nomenclature and everyone goes: Wow! are you really enlightened? You don't have to have experienced what you call cosmic consciousness for very long (or indeed at all) to know that Jim's claim that you need to have done to have an opinion of it is in error. The model of consciousness as an unfolding of/from some sort of unified field via seven stages is a description of a change in awareness but that doesn't mean this poor analogy of Marshy's is in any way an accurate description of how our brains work and integrate with the world. Consciousness isn't the unified field, but it seems like it is when you are in that state - I have been there before you write in and complain - It's a trick of the mind.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
keep working it! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Doc, I like what you say here. Meaning, it resonates with my own experience and I've never heard it said in quite this way. Thanks... On Friday, May 16, 2014 6:17 PM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: it is an excellent mahavakya, but too much to not disassemble. The key is the identity. The more bound the identity, the less consciousness there is between the mind and the unified field (not sure what you mean here, by unified field, but infinite correlation will do). So, as the identity expands, through Unity and beyond, the mind has many more resources available to it, and syncs up with the unified field, much more easily - more data points, easier to stay on track. The freedom is not only in the number of available choices, but also understanding the relative value of each. Hope that helps. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, what do you think is the relationship between the mind and the unified field? This is what I'm pondering about the last couple of months. On Friday, May 16, 2014 3:52 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Curtis writes: The problem was that I don't think he [Maharishi] is right about human consciousness. My only question is: How do you know Maharishi is wrong, if you have not completed the first step in his model of human conciousness, Cosmic Consciousness? J: I have never come across a more close-minded and idiotic perspective on TM. Neither one of you is established in Being, and yet you say, without having experienced it, and without knowing the first thing about Maharishi's model of consciousness, that you deny it. Neither one of you is established in being It's that phrase again. Language is a big problem here. If I was to say I have an experience caused by my brain having learnt over time to experience a separation of my thoughts and the way the conscious substrate of qualia visualises 3 dimensional space, everyone would say so what? But couch the perception in holy nomenclature and everyone goes: Wow! are you really enlightened? You don't have to have experienced what you call cosmic consciousness for very long (or indeed at all) to know that Jim's claim that you need to have done to have an opinion of it is in error. The model of consciousness as an unfolding of/from some sort of unified field via seven stages is a description of a change in awareness but that doesn't mean this poor analogy of Marshy's is in any way an accurate description of how our brains work and integrate with the world. Consciousness isn't the unified field, but it seems like it is when you are in that state - I have been there before you write in and complain - It's a trick of the mind.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Roller Girl
And here I thought you had posted a picture of Roller Girl from Boogie Nights which was played by Heather Graham. It was a quite revealing role. ;-) On 05/17/2014 07:42 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Just a non-sequitur, sitting in this cafe, enjoying the sunny day. It is triggered by the vision of a young, tall, slim, and stunning Dutch girl pausing for a moment to adjust her breasts for maximum effect before continuing her rollerblading tour of Leiden. I watched in awe, and this song magically began playing in my head. I dutifully pass it along... Dire Straits - Skateaway With Lyrics (Live On Fridays) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXLdRalQJB0 image https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXLdRalQJB0 Dire Straits - Skateaway With Lyrics (Live On Fridays) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXLdRalQJB0 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXLdRalQJB0 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It was good, while it lasted, huh?
Ann, yes I agree, great point! That's the reality. But it's also good when people live it. Life is like a good wind. But to enjoy it more fully, we have to raise our sails. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:15 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I believe that we're all ending up united with all that is. Eventually! And you don't think we're all united with the Absolute, with consciousness, with Being already? On Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:01 AM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Well, Doc, you said something about sending them back, etc. Anyway, I'm pretty sure we're all ending up in the same place...Enjoy (-: Crikey, I hope not. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:12 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: jeez, Doc, I hope you're kidding! I happen to enjoy most posts from Curtis and some from turq too. I'd rather not vote them out of the Funny Farm Lounge. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:05 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yep, Barry and Curtis had a lng run on here, holding forth on their days in the Movement, challenging damned near everything Maharishi said, and acting like the definitive experts on all things TM. Seems pretty laughable now. All those years of getting away with it, only to be clearly exposed, as they now run amok. This forum is for those with a genuine desire to learn and discover. It is NOT a place where a couple of washouts from the TMO can sit around, bullshitting us all. Anyway, thank you for all the support in getting this place real. Let's send the ex-TM teachers back where they came from. What a couple of Losers.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016
And where would this ancient source of wisdom have gotten it from, do you think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, important to repeat that I did not myself hear Maharishi say this. But it makes sense to me and if he did say it, I'd say he got it from an ancient source of wisdom. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:03 AM, authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: And he would have known this how, do you think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, opening a can of worms, I think this because I heard through the grapevine that Maharishi said it. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:53 AM, authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On what basis do you think this? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I think the soul enters the body at 3 months. I'm not sure what should be done after that.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
That isn't a problem with Harris's definition, it's a problem of inadequate understanding of the nature of the practice (possibly the result of poor instruction). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, the problem with Sam Harris' definition is that it might lead people into *trying not to be judgmental and discursive. Which of course is counter productive to that settled state. But if it works for people, great. On Friday, May 16, 2014 10:04 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 5/16/2014 9:49 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Actually, according to the dictionary, meditation can mean several different things depending on the context. You can use the term in an everyday sense to mean to think things over, but it doesn't simply mean that, and that isn't what it means when we use it on FFL or in the context of a spiritual practice. To claim that's all it means just makes you look dumb. According to the dictionary, meditation means simply 'to think things over'. So, I wonder what it is in practicing TM that you do if not simply thinking things over? It's not concentration and it's not mind-control. What is it, exactly? According to Sam Harris, mindfulness is simply a state of clear, nonjudgmental, and nondiscursive attention to the contents of consciousness, whether pleasant or unpleasant. Developing this quality of mind has been shown to reduce pain, anxiety, and depression; improve cognitive function; and even produce changes in gray matter density in regions of the brain related to learning and memory, emotional regulation, and self-awareness.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016
Judy, ancient source of wisdom would get it from wise and ancient women... On Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:25 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: And where would this ancient source of wisdom have gotten it from, do you think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, important to repeat that I did not myself hear Maharishi say this. But it makes sense to me and if he did say it, I'd say he got it from an ancient source of wisdom. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:03 AM, authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: And he would have known this how, do you think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, opening a can of worms, I think this because I heard through the grapevine that Maharishi said it. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:53 AM, authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On what basis do you think this? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I think the soul enters the body at 3 months. I'm not sure what should be done after that.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Why did TM *really* become so popular (for a while)?
Lots of rock musicians I knew back in 1968 tried TM. Many didn't stick with it though. I think they thought it might be a magical key to stardom. It was also a little hard to find courses in Seattle and I think a lot of college drops didn't have the bucks for the adult fee. In the 1970s they were trying lots of things. On 05/17/2014 05:26 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Well, *of course* it was the Beatles. If Maharishi had never run into them, I would bet that almost no one on this forum would *be* on this forum, or would have ever heard of TM. But the Beatles just provided Maharishi's entryway into the market, so they're not the only key to its popularity (for a while). I don't think that easy to learn was the big issue, either. Yes, it's a big plus to be told that what you're about to learn is so easy that you don't have to actually DO anything -- especially for lazy, pay-my-money-now-and-want-my-results-now Americans. I think it was the combination of easy to learn and pandering to all of the people who learned it by trying to inflate their sense of self-importance. Think about it. Right from the first intro lecture, not to mention the following three nights of checking and any advanced lecture you attended, you were told that TM was The Best. All other forms of meditation were looked down upon and actively derided and scorned. The very words focus and concentration became Bad in the minds of most TMers, within a very short time. Now add to that what happened when you became more involved with the TM movement, and discovered that it was WAY hierarchical. When you began to help out at the center, you learned immediately (and wordlessly) that TM teachers were on a higher level than mere meditators. A few years went by, and you were wordlessly taught that Governors are on a higher level than mere TM teachers. A few more years, and you learned that as a non-TM-teacher you can pay the same money the teachers paid to learn the TM-Sidhis, and even receive the exact same teaching, but you'll *still* be on a lower level -- Citizen Sidhas instead of Governors. Even more years go by, and suddenly you've got more and more levels of hierarchy and perceived importance to deal with -- Ministers of the Department of Redundancy Dept., Rajas, and even Kings. There was simply NO WAY that a slacker who never even became a TM teacher was going to ever be able to climb that hierarchy...unless they had a spare million dollars lying around, that is. But there was still one area in which the lowest of the low -- the mere meditators -- could still think of themselves as superior to someone. They could feed their sense of self-importance by believing themselves superior to anyone who didn't do TM. It didn't matter if these Others practiced some other form of meditation, or if they had been doing it for decades...if it wasn't TM, it wasn't The Best, so even mere meditators were taught to look down on practitioners of other types of meditation. And then the Ultimate Pander To Self-Importance tactic showed up. It was when Maharishi did a backhand fake and changed the TM-Sidhi program from something one does for oneself to something that one does for the world. Sidhas suddenly became the Saviors of the World. As Maharishi said many times when urging people to learn the Sidhis (and, of course, pay for them), the TM-Sidhas were *The Most Important People On The Planet*. Their collective Woo Woo was all that was keeping it from disappearing in a puff of bad karma. Suddenly even mere meditators had a level of self-importance they could aspire to. They could pay their money, learn the Sidhis, and they might still be on a lower level than the Governors, but they were STILL The Most Important People On The Planet. With every thud of their butts on the foam they heard in their heads the resounding waves of applause from the universe they had been taught to expect as The Most Important People On The Planet. They were IMPORTANT. Many on this forum still believe they are. Simply because they do a mental technique they were TAUGHT was The Best and because they thud on their butts using another technique they were TAUGHT turned them into The Most Important People On The Planet. TM turned tens of thousands of people into the very antithesis of spiritual humility. Their whole concept of what the word spiritual MEANS is wrapped up in the language of The Best and The Most Important. Competition and spiritual oneupsmanship are *built in* to the system, and to the mindset being cultivated. As to what the cultivation and *encouragement* of self-importance -- programmed into an unsuspecting cult audience over a period of decades -- can do to people who fall prey to it, I suspect you need look no further than Fairfield Life. TM became popular because Maharishi sold the people who paid for it a cheap (in the beginning) beginner's
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016
And these wise and ancient women would have known this how, do you think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, ancient source of wisdom would get it from wise and ancient women... On Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:25 AM, authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: And where would this ancient source of wisdom have gotten it from, do you think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, important to repeat that I did not myself hear Maharishi say this. But it makes sense to me and if he did say it, I'd say he got it from an ancient source of wisdom. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:03 AM, authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: And he would have known this how, do you think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, opening a can of worms, I think this because I heard through the grapevine that Maharishi said it. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:53 AM, authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On what basis do you think this? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I think the soul enters the body at 3 months. I'm not sure what should be done after that.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016
Judy, from their own experience and that of other women they experienced as being mostly accurate in their perceptions and observations. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:33 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: And these wise and ancient women would have known this how, do you think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, ancient source of wisdom would get it from wise and ancient women... On Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:25 AM, authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: And where would this ancient source of wisdom have gotten it from, do you think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, important to repeat that I did not myself hear Maharishi say this. But it makes sense to me and if he did say it, I'd say he got it from an ancient source of wisdom. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:03 AM, authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: And he would have known this how, do you think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, opening a can of worms, I think this because I heard through the grapevine that Maharishi said it. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:53 AM, authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On what basis do you think this? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I think the soul enters the body at 3 months. I'm not sure what should be done after that.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
Judy, imo, the word judgement is one of those words that the so called New Age has destroyed. But probably Sam Harris isn't aware of that. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:31 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: That isn't a problem with Harris's definition, it's a problem of inadequate understanding of the nature of the practice (possibly the result of poor instruction). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, the problem with Sam Harris' definition is that it might lead people into *trying not to be judgmental and discursive. Which of course is counter productive to that settled state. But if it works for people, great. On Friday, May 16, 2014 10:04 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 5/16/2014 9:49 PM, authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Actually, according to the dictionary, meditation can mean several different things depending on the context. You can use the term in an everyday sense to mean to think things over, but it doesn't simply mean that, and that isn't what it means when we use it on FFL or in the context of a spiritual practice. To claim that's all it means just makes you look dumb. According to the dictionary, meditation means simply 'to think things over'. So, I wonder what it is in practicing TM that you do if not simply thinking things over? It's not concentration and it's not mind-control. What is it, exactly? According to Sam Harris, mindfulness is simply a state of clear, nonjudgmental, and nondiscursive attention to the contents of consciousness, whether pleasant or unpleasant. Developing this quality of mind has been shown to reduce pain, anxiety, and depression; improve cognitive function; and even produce changes in gray matter density in regions of the brain related to learning and memory, emotional regulation, and self-awareness.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Life on Mars
Salyavin, IMO, the reason why NASA did not want to replicate the Viking experiment is due to the funding psychology in the US federal government. Specifically, the NASA managers want to set up an experiment that has a good potential for successful results. By getting positive results, they can show the American people and the politicians in Washington DC the success of the program and thus have more money to fund the future missions on Mars. IOW, the NASA managers are slowly making a case for a manned mission to Mars. But before that can happen, they have show that technologically and logistically it is feasible to send astronauts to go there and come back alive. As such they are now preparing for an experiment to see if earth plants can grow there, either on hydroponic gardens or on the soil of the planet itself, which can eventually be used as food by the astronauts. After these issues are answered, then they can include the search for life inside the rocks of the planet by astronauts. Nonetheless, I suspect that many of the scientists at NASA already believe there is life on Mars. They just have to wait for the actual proof until a manned mission is conducted for political and funding reasons. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Interesting. The guy who designed the experiment that found life didn't say so at the press conference in 76 because he was a junior at NASA, but he was convinced his test had worked perfectly anyway and had found organic life 3 out of 4 times in 1976. Trouble was, there were two other experiments that drew a blank and a majority vote was taken that decided life didn't exist, but the other experiments weren't working properly because the lander had had to put down in a place on Mars that it wasn't designed to operate in - plus they couldn't even find signs of life in some earth rocks you know... You'd think they'd just do it again but they decided to base future missions on the conclusion of no life on Mars and only do other experiments not connected with finding complex chemistry and all the biologists left or were retired from future Mars mission planning. Nice to know they finally might be coming round to acknowledging the mistake. I'm highly dubious about the conspiracy theory at the end though, why would NASA be trying to convince us that we live in an otherwise lifeless universe when it knows otherwise? It's a ridiculous idea that we wouldn't be able to cope with knowledge of alien life, look at Nabby, the prospect don't seem to bother him much!- Poor guy thinks we already have proof and that they come all this way just to make pretty shapes in wheatfields! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Maybe inside the rocks. Will any of the enlightened members here on FFL comment on this issue? In the meantime, here's the current article discussing this possibility. http://www.examiner.com/article/1976-life-on-mars-controversy-resurrected-new-scientific-report http://www.examiner.com/article/1976-life-on-mars-controversy-resurrected-new-scientific-report
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
I think everyone understands the word he used, nonjudgmental. And it fits right in with New Age thinking about avoiding judgment. Destroyed makes no sense. You can't destroy a word. Plus which, Sam Harris was born in 1967, right at the beginning of the New Age. And finally, I doubt anyone is going to start mindfulness practice based solely on Harris's definition. Your argument that it's his definition that's the problem is incredibly lame. I suspect you picked up somewhere that mindfulness might have negative results if it was misunderstood and have just been waiting to drop that idea into a conversation here. But you chose the wrong place to drop it, which is why you're having such trouble defending it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, imo, the word judgement is one of those words that the so called New Age has destroyed. But probably Sam Harris isn't aware of that. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:31 AM, authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: That isn't a problem with Harris's definition, it's a problem of inadequate understanding of the nature of the practice (possibly the result of poor instruction). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, the problem with Sam Harris' definition is that it might lead people into *trying not to be judgmental and discursive. Which of course is counter productive to that settled state. But if it works for people, great. On Friday, May 16, 2014 10:04 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 5/16/2014 9:49 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Actually, according to the dictionary, meditation can mean several different things depending on the context. You can use the term in an everyday sense to mean to think things over, but it doesn't simply mean that, and that isn't what it means when we use it on FFL or in the context of a spiritual practice. To claim that's all it means just makes you look dumb. According to the dictionary, meditation means simply 'to think things over'. So, I wonder what it is in practicing TM that you do if not simply thinking things over? It's not concentration and it's not mind-control. What is it, exactly? According to Sam Harris, mindfulness is simply a state of clear, nonjudgmental, and nondiscursive attention to the contents of consciousness, whether pleasant or unpleasant. Developing this quality of mind has been shown to reduce pain, anxiety, and depression; improve cognitive function; and even produce changes in gray matter density in regions of the brain related to learning and memory, emotional regulation, and self-awareness.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016
And they perceived and observed the accuracy of this idea how, do you think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, from their own experience and that of other women they experienced as being mostly accurate in their perceptions and observations. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:33 AM, authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: And these wise and ancient women would have known this how, do you think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, ancient source of wisdom would get it from wise and ancient women... On Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:25 AM, authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: And where would this ancient source of wisdom have gotten it from, do you think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, important to repeat that I did not myself hear Maharishi say this. But it makes sense to me and if he did say it, I'd say he got it from an ancient source of wisdom. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:03 AM, authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: And he would have known this how, do you think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, opening a can of worms, I think this because I heard through the grapevine that Maharishi said it. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:53 AM, authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On what basis do you think this? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I think the soul enters the body at 3 months. I'm not sure what should be done after that.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016
Souls entering at three months or whenever would be a *religious* consideration. However, a scientific consideration is that life begins when the genetic material is 100% complete and unique(neither mothers nor fathers) and the cells begin to divide. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 9:33 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: And these wise and ancient women would have known this how, do you think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, ancient source of wisdom would get it from wise and ancient women... On Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:25 AM, authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: And where would this ancient source of wisdom have gotten it from, do you think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, important to repeat that I did not myself hear Maharishi say this. But it makes sense to me and if he did say it, I'd say he got it from an ancient source of wisdom. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:03 AM, authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: And he would have known this how, do you think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, opening a can of worms, I think this because I heard through the grapevine that Maharishi said it. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:53 AM, authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On what basis do you think this? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I think the soul enters the body at 3 months. I'm not sure what should be done after that.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016
A different scientific consideration would be when the fetus is able to survive as an organism independent of the mother. I believe that that is the criterion the Supreme Court chose to use. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Souls entering at three months or whenever would be a *religious* consideration. However, a scientific consideration is that life begins when the genetic material is 100% complete and unique(neither mothers nor fathers) and the cells begin to divide. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 9:33 AM, authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: And these wise and ancient women would have known this how, do you think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, ancient source of wisdom would get it from wise and ancient women... On Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:25 AM, authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: And where would this ancient source of wisdom have gotten it from, do you think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, important to repeat that I did not myself hear Maharishi say this. But it makes sense to me and if he did say it, I'd say he got it from an ancient source of wisdom. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:03 AM, authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: And he would have known this how, do you think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, opening a can of worms, I think this because I heard through the grapevine that Maharishi said it. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:53 AM, authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On what basis do you think this? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I think the soul enters the body at 3 months. I'm not sure what should be done after that.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What do Ginger Baker and black coffee have in common?
For those interested and have Netflix WI, the Ginger Baker documentary is available there. On 05/17/2014 12:24 AM, cardemais...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I've heard in Africa the criterion for a real drummer is the ability to sing whilst drumming. By that criterion I'm not a drummer, but drumming is one of the few things I really love (and my neighbors hate, LOL?). I especially like to put a metronome at something like 140 - 150 BPS and play some quite heavily syncopating, almost totally improvised rhythms over(?) it. Another thing I like is to play in 3/4ths so that it sounds as funny as possible... https://www.flickr.com/photos/66867356@N02/8495362998/
[FairfieldLife] Clay and Silk
Reading Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay - about half way through it.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016
That would definitely be more... convenient. Although, it still could be considered murder since it is destroying another* life* which is neither the mother's nor the father's but a completely separate entity, regardless of viability. When cells divide and multiply, there is life and it;s not the mother's DNA that is dividing nor the fathers.It is a unique *life*. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 12:15 PM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: A different scientific consideration would be when the fetus is able to survive as an organism independent of the mother. I believe that that is the criterion the Supreme Court chose to use. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Souls entering at three months or whenever would be a *religious* consideration. However, a scientific consideration is that life begins when the genetic material is 100% complete and unique(neither mothers nor fathers) and the cells begin to divide. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 9:33 AM, authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: And these wise and ancient women would have known this how, do you think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, ancient source of wisdom would get it from wise and ancient women... On Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:25 AM, authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: And where would this ancient source of wisdom have gotten it from, do you think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, important to repeat that I did not myself hear Maharishi say this. But it makes sense to me and if he did say it, I'd say he got it from an ancient source of wisdom. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:03 AM, authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: And he would have known this how, do you think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, opening a can of worms, I think this because I heard through the grapevine that Maharishi said it. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:53 AM, authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On what basis do you think this? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I think the soul enters the body at 3 months. I'm not sure what should be done after that.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Souls entering at three months or whenever would be a *religious* consideration. However, a scientific consideration is that life begins when the genetic material is 100% complete and unique(neither mothers nor fathers) and the cells begin to divide. I think the soul is indestructable, for all intents and purposes. If the soul seeks a human body for whatever reason then, if that body is no longer available, there is no harm done to the soul. A body is just a body, it is very fragile and very temporary. If one kills off a body the soul simply flees. So if one were to terminate the life coursing through a physical body does it really matter if a soul is present there or not? Either way you have killed the body, which is miraculous enough in its workings with or without a soul, so that alone is unfortunate on many levels. Souls are renewable in that they seem to be able to come and go and can inhabit and just as quickly vacate the premises. I am not sure the deciding factor for murder or lack of murder is the presence of a soul since that is not destroyed anyway. This is all predicated on the fact that souls even exist and are enduring in some absolute sense. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 9:33 AM, authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: And these wise and ancient women would have known this how, do you think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, ancient source of wisdom would get it from wise and ancient women... On Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:25 AM, authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: And where would this ancient source of wisdom have gotten it from, do you think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, important to repeat that I did not myself hear Maharishi say this. But it makes sense to me and if he did say it, I'd say he got it from an ancient source of wisdom. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:03 AM, authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: And he would have known this how, do you think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, opening a can of worms, I think this because I heard through the grapevine that Maharishi said it. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:53 AM, authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On what basis do you think this? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I think the soul enters the body at 3 months. I'm not sure what should be done after that.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : A different scientific consideration would be when the fetus is able to survive as an organism independent of the mother. I believe that that is the criterion the Supreme Court chose to use. Maybe another question besides when does an abortion become murder would be when does a conglomeration of cells become a human being. This idea that three months is the cut off point for having committed a real atrocity is based on biology, not on some mystical cognition. At three months a fetus looks like this. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Clay and Silk
Well I finished reading the book - a lot of food for thought there,
particularly in Rob McCutchan's afterword.
On Sat, 5/17/14, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Clay and Silk
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 17, 2014, 8:39 PM
Reading Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay - about half
way through it.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why did TM *really* become so popular (for a while)?
I truly think it was The Merv Griffin Show that got the biggest wave of adherents. It was Middle America, not hippies like moi that Merv's audience was appealing to and those folks became the mainstay. Also, the movement had a good infrastructure in place at that time to intiate folks by the 10's of thousands. MMY's movement had been steadily building up to that point, but that had to be the zenith in pure numbers.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Clay and Silk
Dear MJ, what ever did you do to repair your computer that it formats so badly
to FFL? It has been a chronic [ongoing] problem with you. Garbled and gaps in
text. Nobody else has posts come through to the list like yours do. You must
have your own unique program. They are often a complete pain in the rear to
respond to because of all the re-formatting that happens with you. Does not
seem to matter which browser. Possibly the internet itself may be allergic to
your unique and negative content even though the internet is supposed to be
net-neutral. It must be something [bad] you are doing, -Buck
mjackson74writes: Well I finished reading the book - a lot of food for thought
there, particularly in Rob McCutchan's afterword.
On Sat, 5/17/14, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@...
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Clay and Silk
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 17, 2014, 8:39 PM
Reading Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay - about half
way through it.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Clay and Silk
Dear Dear MJ, I feel that if you could just get your meditation checked, get a
standard computer from a regular mainstay trusted outlet instead of thrift
stores or a garage sale and updated your system from authorized places in place
of using bootleg sources, your posts would be clearer and more useful on most
any public forum such as FairfieldLife at yahoo-groups. It all seems to kind of
say a lot of about you. Go figure, -Buck Dear MJ, what ever did you do to
repair your computer that it formats so badly to FFL? It has been a chronic
[ongoing] problem with you. Garbled and gaps in text. Nobody else has posts
come through to the list quite like yours do. You must have your own unique
program. They are often a complete pain in the rear to respond to because of
all the re-formatting that happens with you. Does not seem to matter which
browser. Possibly the internet itself may be allergic to your unique and
negative content even though the internet is supposed to be net-neutral. It
must be something [bad] you are doing, -Buck
mjackson74writes: Well I finished reading the book - a lot of food for thought
there, particularly in Rob McCutchan's afterword.
On Sat, 5/17/14, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@...
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Clay and Silk
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 17, 2014, 8:39 PM
Reading Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay - about half
way through it.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Clay and Silk
I'm just using yahoo mail - blame it on them.
On Sun, 5/18/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Clay and Silk
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 18, 2014, 2:55 AM
Dear MJ,
what ever did you do to repair your computer that it formats
so badly
to FFL? It has been a chronic [ongoing] problem with you.
Garbled and gaps in text. Nobody else has posts come
through to the list like yours do. You must have your own
unique program. They are often a complete pain in
the rear to respond to because of all the re-formatting that
happens with you. Does not
seem to matter which browser. Possibly the internet itself
may be
allergic to your unique and negative content even though the
internet is
supposed to be net-neutral. It must be something [bad] you
are doing, -Buck
mjackson74writes: Well
I finished reading the book - a lot of food for thought
there, particularly in Rob McCutchan's
afterword.
On Sat, 5/17/14, Michael
Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
wrote:Subject: [FairfieldLife] Clay
and SilkTo: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.comDate: Saturday, May 17, 2014,
8:39 PMReading Robes of Silk, Feet of
Clay - about halfway through
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Clay and Silk
No, MJ it is odd and unique. It is something [bad and unconventional] with you.
-Buck
mjackson74 writes:
I'm just using yahoo mail - blame it on them.
On Sun, 5/18/14, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Clay and Silk
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 18, 2014, 2:55 AM
Dear MJ,
what ever did you do to repair your computer that it formats
so badly
to FFL? It has been a chronic [ongoing] problem with you.
Garbled and gaps in text. Nobody else has posts come
through to the list like yours do. You must have your own
unique program. They are often a complete pain in
the rear to respond to because of all the re-formatting that
happens with you. Does not
seem to matter which browser. Possibly the internet itself
may be
allergic to your unique and negative content even though the
internet is
supposed to be net-neutral. It must be something [bad] you
are doing, -Buck
mjackson74writes:
On Sat, 5/17/14, Michael
Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:Subject: [FairfieldLife] Clay
and SilkTo: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.comDate
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[FairfieldLife] MJ's PROBLEM posting negative things to FFL
XYZED,
No, MJ it is odd and unique. It is something [bad and unconventional] with
you. -Buck
mjackson74 writes:
I'm just using yahoo mail - blame it on them.
On Sun, 5/18/14, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Clay and Silk
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 18, 2014, 2:55 AM
Dear MJ,
what ever did you do to repair your computer that it formats
so badly
to FFL? It has been a chronic [ongoing] problem with you.
Garbled and gaps in text. Nobody else has posts come
through to the list like yours do. You must have your own
unique program. They are often a complete pain in
the rear to respond to because of all the re-formatting that
happens with you. Does not
seem to matter which browser. Possibly the internet itself
may be
allergic to your unique and negative content even though the
internet is
supposed to be net-neutral. It must be something [bad] you
are doing, -Buck
mjackson74writes:
On Sat, 5/17/14, Michael
Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:Subject: [FairfieldLife] Clay
and SilkTo: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.comDate
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.comDate: Saturday, May 17, 2014,
8:39 PMyiv3762032787 #yiv3762032787
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[FairfieldLife] Re: MJ's PROBLEM posting negative things to FFL
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
XYZED,
No, MJ it is odd and unique. It is something [bad and unconventional] with
you. -Buck
I'm already getting out my flaming torch and pitchfork and gathering the mob
to come and lynch him Buck. Never fear, we'll rid ourselves of these heathens
and upstarts like MJ.
mjackson74 writes:
I'm just using yahoo mail - blame it on them.
On Sun, 5/18/14, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Clay and Silk
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 18, 2014, 2:55 AM
Dear MJ,
what ever did you do to repair your computer that it formats
so badly
to FFL? It has been a chronic [ongoing] problem with you.
Garbled and gaps in text. Nobody else has posts come
through to the list like yours do. You must have your own
unique program. They are often a complete pain in
the rear to respond to because of all the re-formatting that
happens with you. Does not
seem to matter which browser. Possibly the internet itself
may be
allergic to your unique and negative content even though the
internet is
supposed to be net-neutral. It must be something [bad] you
are doing, -Buck
mjackson74writes:
On Sat, 5/17/14, Michael
Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:Subject: [FairfieldLife] Clay
and SilkTo: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.comDate
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.comDate: Saturday, May 17, 2014,
8:39 PMyiv3762032787 #yiv3762032787
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[FairfieldLife] Moses and Consciousness
He may have predated MMY by discussing consciousness as basis of all knowledge in the Bible passage: I AM WHO AM I don't believe the Hebrews knew what he was trying to convey back then. But most people today don't know either. The burning bush that he used as a writing symbolism could be interpreted as the burnt offering to the Self or Yahweh, or the thoughts that are burnt by the mantra during meditation. What do you think?
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