[FairfieldLife] Pure View Apple??

[cardemais...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Seems to me like any day soon Apple's devices might get Nokia's
supreme Pure View phone camera technology, mainly developed here
in my home town, Tampere Finland!


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Oh you guys are gonna love this one:
 

 I did actually. Good to see Marshy talking crap again and it reminded me how 
hideous all the True Believers are with their fake, treacly voices and 
sycophantic laughter.
 

 Lynch really has been brainwashed too, he knows all the lines and seems 
unabashed standing in front of an uninvited crowd and saying that consciousness 
is the unified field! That takes some balls, or some ignorance...
 

 All it needed was a proper microphone to do the narration and titles to name 
all the people being interviewed, for instance who is the guy at 27.00 who 
claims to have taken women to Marshy's room?
 

 BTW the guy at the beginning is Michael Persinger, a neuroscientist who did a 
study of TM research and published the book "TM and Cultmania"
 

 TM and Cult Mania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TM_and_Cult_Mania 
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TM_and_Cult_Mania 
 
 TM and Cult Mania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TM_and_Cult_Mania TM and Cult Mania is a book 
authored by Michael Persinger, Normand Carrey and Lynn Suess.[1] It was 
published in 1980 by Christopher Publishing Hous...
 
 
 
 View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TM_and_Cult_Mania 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  


 

 

 The TM Movement CULT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQMKxrLnOGc

 
 
 
 
 The TM Movement CULT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQMKxrLnOGc

 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQMKxrLnOGc
 Preview by Yahoo
 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Vigilantes

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

Prairie Dogs can protect their own reputation. 

 
 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Vigilantes

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

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 On 5/20/2014 7:14 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

 
 
 The only thing that bothers me are the vicious personal attacks on people's 
livelihoods, including many things that have been directed at you and 
especially Curtis.   
 >
 Some informants used to make fun of my janitor job at the community college - 
Barry  even suggested that I screwed prairie dogs in my spare time. Judy once 
called me a mollusk. You are the first person on this list that has ever 
complained about these personal attacks. Where I come from, silence usually 
indicates agreement. Go figure. I am taking a moment of silence as a way of 
acknowledging all of the adjectives applied to everyone here. My sincere 
condolences. 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

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 On 5/21/2014 6:33 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... 
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:
 > You know as well as I do that Marshy would say one thing in private, 
 > and something else very different in public to make sales.
 >
 So, how many times did you meet with MMY in private? Apparently zero - 
 go figure.
 

 Richard's cooking with gas lately. 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 5/21/2014 6:33 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
> You know as well as I do that Marshy would say one thing in private, 
> and something else very different in public to make sales.
 >
So, how many times did you meet with MMY in private? Apparently zero - 
go figure.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Ultimate Heresy

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 5/21/2014 9:05 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
I would say that all the talking about enlightenment that Maharishi 
and all other spiritual teachers throughout history combined never 
accomplished a damn thing, nor enabled a single person to realize it 
themselves.

>
The breadth of your knowledge is just incredible, Barry! /All other 
spiritual teachers through out history/. Amazing.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"

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On 5/21/2014 9:42 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
Oooo, beautiful pool, Richard. You'll have to throw a pool party for 
FFL (-:

>
We put our house in San Antonio up for sale and moved into a two-bedroom 
apartment - east-facing entrance, ground floor, across from the pool. 
It's nice, but /the rent is too damn high!/ Go figure.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing

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On 5/21/2014 9:44 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
Thanks, Richard, I'm sure Descartes was a lovely fellow, but I'm 
sticking with the Buddhists and Hindus (-:

>
There is only one non-dual philosophical system in India, Advaita 
Vedanta founded by the Adi Shankara. The Buddhist Yogacara died out in 
India in the 13th century. The /Consciousness Only School/ teaches the 
absence of duality between perceiving subject and the perceived 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Vigilantes

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 5/20/2014 10:06 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

 As if you never wrote insulting screeds about me or Ann in an attempt to get 
FFL members to dislike us because you dislike us. Talk about hypocrisy... >
 If you want to talk about attempting to get FFL members to dislike you, let's 
talk about how you tried to get others to shun me for ten years by attacking me 
and calling me a troll. Maybe you should just keep you pie-hole shut about 
hypocrisy. That's what I think.
 
Still smarting. Here, may I offer you this? 
 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Ignorance is bliss....maybe...

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 5/20/2014 11:39 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

 This graphic agrees with almost all studies of cults. The claim "I'm too smart 
to be in a cult" is nonsensical, because...uh...what the quote said. 
 
 
 
 It also helps to explain the Confrontation Junkie Syndrome, in which cultists 
attempt to draw people into extended arguments. They're assuming they can 
"win," and somehow find some way to justify their unjustifiable beliefs, and at 
the same time provide a diversion to distract people from the fact that they 
made a non-smart decision. 
 >
 Now this is funny - a guy that was so smart that he joined a cult, posts a 
message about smart people that join cults, and then another guy who was so 
smart that he joined two cults, posts a message agreeing that it is really dumb 
to join a cult. LoL!
 



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Vigilantes

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 5/20/2014 9:33 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

 (Goodness knows I could compile a much longer list of Barry's insults, 
including attacks on my livelihood.) >
 Goodness, willytex probably holds the record for the number of insulting names 
he's been called, including attacks on his livlihood. Let me know if you want 
to go over a few. We could probably start with "troll." LoL!
 



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Re: [FairfieldLife] The benefit of enlightenment

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 5/21/2014 9:57 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
Two words: prove it. 

>
We've been waiting for years for Barry to prove that Rama levitated for 
REAL. But, he doesn't want to talk about it, maybe because he can't 
prove it. Which makes one wonder why somebody would make a claim he 
can't prove, or that doesn't even make any sense. Go figure.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: We need to ask

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 5/20/2014 10:57 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

 What I'm wondering is how they are going to tell who is standing over the 
Internet. >
 You're not even making any sense. Nobody can "stand over the internet." Go 
figure.
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: We need to ask

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 5/21/2014 10:09 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:

Thanks Alex, that gets closer. What was this guy thinking?

>
He was probably thinking that he would feel better if he had someone to 
talk to, but after reading the messages here, he probably reconsidered 
and just decided to accept the fact that he was better off talking to 
himself. Go figure.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 5/21/2014 11:29 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:


The list goes on and on and not a goddamn one of 'em ever did TM.

>
For someone who claims to know how to use a computer, your search 
capabilities really suck. Go figure.


List of athletes who have learned TM:

Arthur Ashe, professional tennis player
Buddy Biancalana, Major League Baseball
Larry Bowa, Major League Baseball
Pete Broberg, Major League Baseball
Mark Bunn, Australian rules footballer
Steve Carlton, Major League Baseball
Paul Dimattina, Australian Football League
Jerry Grote, Major League Baseball
Jim Lonborg, Major League Baseball player
Pete Maravich, NBA player
Brent Mayne, Major League Baseball
Willie McCovey, Major League Baseball
Joe Namath, professional football player
Martina Navratilova, tennis professional
Bill Robinson, Major League Baseball
Del Unser, Major League Baseball player
Willie Stargell, Major League Baseball


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[FairfieldLife] TM is a Cult?

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Oh you guys are gonna love this one:

The TM Movement CULT

 
   The TM Movement CULT  
View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: We need to ask

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Especially, the cheese.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Including the cheese
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I don't know, Buck. Truth is, life is a mystery. Everyone must stand alone.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks Alex, that gets closer. What was this guy thinking?
 -Buck

 

 Alex writes:
 

IP address is:
 

 69.212.127.19
Canonical name: adsl-69-212-127-19.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net
 

 The sfldmi refers to Southfield, Michigan, which is Detroit area.
 

 Wow, that post [FFL #384175] is mighty unsettling. What kind of nut would come 
on here to this community and post that particular thing without context and 
then leave? 
 The conservative in me would like to have law-enforcement notified about this 
person. Apparently the Fairfield police read social media pages about 
Fairfield. I hope they take notice of this potential threat and run it down a 
little. The newer safety policy on campus is to bring law enforcement to 
illegalities as they occur. Seems this one evidently rises to an inter-state 
level of threat. Who is this person, jamesm227 ?
 Sincerely,
 -Buck in the Dome
 

 The Fairfield Meditating Community:
 

 “We are a group of people who have come together and created a community for a 
transcendentally important common purpose, which of course is to practice the 
Transcendental Meditation program and the TM-Sidhi program together as a group, 
for the sake of bringing coherence to national and world consciousness based on 
balancing labor and leisure to meditate while working together for the benefit 
of the community. Our Super-Radiance meditating community includes families of 
all the TM-Meditators and TM-Sidhas in the Fairfield, Vedic City and Jefferson 
County area.”
 

 

 Sal writes:

 IP address from California too...you could be right Share.

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Or maybe that poster is laughing his head off at us. Meaning that the IA 
program hasn't been called the Creating Coherence program for about 7 years or 
so...

 On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 12:54 PM, salyavin808  
wrote:
 
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 If that was a dome announcement, Buck should be able to tell us what it was 
about.
 

 And perhaps he'll adapt it into the Rime of the Ancient Mariner to help us 
understand...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Ok, that was weird. The guy subscribed this morning. Made one post. And 
unsubscribed.

Oh well, it must have meant something to him. Or maybe he suddenly realised 
where he was!
 

 Good one!
 

 Will we ever know.
 

 Sounds a little ominous to me actually. I hope we don't hear of any 'mishaps' 
in the Domes tonight.

nablusoss1008 writes:
This fellow might have a point, seeing the fanatical and unbalanced behavior 
from some anti-Movement people here.

 
# 

 jamesm227 writes:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 We need to ask that only those on the Creating Coherence Program remain in the 
dome at this time. If anyone has any questions about security, please stand.




  











 
.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The benefit of enlightenment

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thanks, Steve - Yeah, no way to prove, or defend, "feeling more connected". It 
always sounds horribly vague, and fantastic, until the experience comes, of 
consciousness insinuating itself like a finest vapor, into every discovered 
crack and crevice, of time and space.  

 Unbounded awareness is just that, though I have found that to experience it 
fully, at all times, I needed to both, build a foundation from the bottom, up, 
with meditation, and from the top, down, by taking complete responsibility for 
myself. 
 

 What makes it interesting and quite challenging, though, is the endless, 
dynamic nature of consciousness, itself, so that as the container [of 
consciousness] expands, it is integrated, until both the expansion and 
integration of consciousness, become a seamless flow, of, in effect, endless 
expansion. 
 

 Then the fun begins, because having access to all of that consciousness, all 
of that discovery, makes any task in life easier to figure out, easier to 
forecast consequences, easier to be successful, easier to not get thrown 
off-track, and this ease then applies to everything. Additionally, as this 
confidence in tackling anything grows, naturally do our desires, so that soon, 
we are living our dreams. 
 

 No shit.:-)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You know what, I know what Jim is saying, even if I would express it 
differently. 

 I think that the growth of silence in activity does pave the way for a 
smoother fulfillment of desires.
 

 I also think there is an element of taking total responsibility for one's 
actions, whatever they may be. That is an accelerant.
 .
 But, neither do I feel a need to defend this, or prove it.  That is silly.  It 
is just my experience, which I think also engenders a sense of wonder about 
things.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Aside from the moronic statements made on here, that enlightenment is no 
different or better, than any other state of consciousness, I thought I would 
address the practical benefit of enlightenment.
 

 Basically being established in silence, means a greater synchrony with life, 
with all that exists. The silence within, though it may initially feel 
personal, is not. It is the silence that pervades everything. Hence, if we have 
that established Being within ourselves, life is ours - no need to pine or 
become bitter about unfulfilled expectations or desires. All is for the taking, 
after silence is established. The whole of life works to fulfill our desires, 
once this state is reached.
 

 And if the desire is for cheeseburgers, so be it!
 

 But really, what does "The whole of life works to fulfil our desires" actually 
mean? Other than being rather self-aggrandising I can't see that it means 
anything at all, it sounds like you read it in the brochure and post it here 
because it sounds good. Give us an example.
 

 

 This is the benefit - This is the benefit, that dawns, once silence is 
established. Before that, there is a fundamental disconnect, between the 
individual desires, and the desires of life, itself. Afterwards, the bounty we 
receive is overwhelming. 
 

 So a daily visit to FFL to have a good arguement is part of some great plan of 
nature? God really does move in mysterious ways. You must get more rewards than 
the rest of us, we're just trying to look busy at work.
 

 

 Those who assert that enlightenment is no better or worse than anything else, 
have lost their way, and receive neither the benefits of enlightenment, nor of 
their own, desperate, state. It is a sad thing that some have become so 
despondent in their quest for enlightenment, that they give up, declaring it 
all a charade. There is no work so fulfilling, as to prepare ourselves for our 
liberation, and then to live it.
 

 In what way is your life actually different from before?

[FairfieldLife] Kanda Sashti Kavasam

[yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RIPz_mP_VI 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The benefit of enlightenment

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

You know what, I know what Jim is saying, even if I would express it 
differently. 

 I think that the growth of silence in activity does pave the way for a 
smoother fulfillment of desires.
 

 I also think there is an element of taking total responsibility for one's 
actions, whatever they may be. That is an accelerant.
 .
 But, neither do I feel a need to defend this, or prove it.  That is silly.  It 
is just my experience, which I think also engenders a sense of wonder about 
things.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Aside from the moronic statements made on here, that enlightenment is no 
different or better, than any other state of consciousness, I thought I would 
address the practical benefit of enlightenment.
 

 Basically being established in silence, means a greater synchrony with life, 
with all that exists. The silence within, though it may initially feel 
personal, is not. It is the silence that pervades everything. Hence, if we have 
that established Being within ourselves, life is ours - no need to pine or 
become bitter about unfulfilled expectations or desires. All is for the taking, 
after silence is established. The whole of life works to fulfill our desires, 
once this state is reached.
 

 And if the desire is for cheeseburgers, so be it!
 

 But really, what does "The whole of life works to fulfil our desires" actually 
mean? Other than being rather self-aggrandising I can't see that it means 
anything at all, it sounds like you read it in the brochure and post it here 
because it sounds good. Give us an example.
 

 

 This is the benefit - This is the benefit, that dawns, once silence is 
established. Before that, there is a fundamental disconnect, between the 
individual desires, and the desires of life, itself. Afterwards, the bounty we 
receive is overwhelming. 
 

 So a daily visit to FFL to have a good arguement is part of some great plan of 
nature? God really does move in mysterious ways. You must get more rewards than 
the rest of us, we're just trying to look busy at work.
 

 

 Those who assert that enlightenment is no better or worse than anything else, 
have lost their way, and receive neither the benefits of enlightenment, nor of 
their own, desperate, state. It is a sad thing that some have become so 
despondent in their quest for enlightenment, that they give up, declaring it 
all a charade. There is no work so fulfilling, as to prepare ourselves for our 
liberation, and then to live it.
 

 In what way is your life actually different from before?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Vigilantes

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 5/21/2014 6:35 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:

Nobody attacked Steve.

>
So, you don't want to talk about the attacks on /willytex/. Go figure.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing

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On 5/20/2014 2:42 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Brilliant Share, brilliant!  How about this one."Life is what you 
live"therefore "what you live is life!"



>
After reviewing this thread, it is remarkable how accurate Share was 
with her definition of consciousness, compared to the other 
contributions. Go figure.


"...the fact that I am having an experience is indisputable (to me, at 
least).  This is all that is required for me (or any other conscious 
being) to fully establish the reality of consciousness. Consciousness is 
the one thing in this universe that cannot be an illusion."


http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-mystery-of-consciousness

>


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Richard, I go with: consciousness exists. Which leads me to think that 
whatever seems to exist, I assume it too is consciousness. What do you 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: We need to ask

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Including the cheese
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I don't know, Buck. Truth is, life is a mystery. Everyone must stand alone.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks Alex, that gets closer. What was this guy thinking?
 -Buck

 

 Alex writes:
 

IP address is:
 

 69.212.127.19
Canonical name: adsl-69-212-127-19.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net
 

 The sfldmi refers to Southfield, Michigan, which is Detroit area.
 

 Wow, that post [FFL #384175] is mighty unsettling. What kind of nut would come 
on here to this community and post that particular thing without context and 
then leave? 
 The conservative in me would like to have law-enforcement notified about this 
person. Apparently the Fairfield police read social media pages about 
Fairfield. I hope they take notice of this potential threat and run it down a 
little. The newer safety policy on campus is to bring law enforcement to 
illegalities as they occur. Seems this one evidently rises to an inter-state 
level of threat. Who is this person, jamesm227 ?
 Sincerely,
 -Buck in the Dome
 

 The Fairfield Meditating Community:
 

 “We are a group of people who have come together and created a community for a 
transcendentally important common purpose, which of course is to practice the 
Transcendental Meditation program and the TM-Sidhi program together as a group, 
for the sake of bringing coherence to national and world consciousness based on 
balancing labor and leisure to meditate while working together for the benefit 
of the community. Our Super-Radiance meditating community includes families of 
all the TM-Meditators and TM-Sidhas in the Fairfield, Vedic City and Jefferson 
County area.”
 

 

 Sal writes:

 IP address from California too...you could be right Share.

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Or maybe that poster is laughing his head off at us. Meaning that the IA 
program hasn't been called the Creating Coherence program for about 7 years or 
so...

 On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 12:54 PM, salyavin808  
wrote:
 
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 If that was a dome announcement, Buck should be able to tell us what it was 
about.
 

 And perhaps he'll adapt it into the Rime of the Ancient Mariner to help us 
understand...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Ok, that was weird. The guy subscribed this morning. Made one post. And 
unsubscribed.

Oh well, it must have meant something to him. Or maybe he suddenly realised 
where he was!
 

 Good one!
 

 Will we ever know.
 

 Sounds a little ominous to me actually. I hope we don't hear of any 'mishaps' 
in the Domes tonight.

nablusoss1008 writes:
This fellow might have a point, seeing the fanatical and unbalanced behavior 
from some anti-Movement people here.

 
# 

 jamesm227 writes:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 We need to ask that only those on the Creating Coherence Program remain in the 
dome at this time. If anyone has any questions about security, please stand.




  











 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Ignorance is bliss....maybe...

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 5/20/2014 11:39 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
This graphic agrees with almost all studies of cults. The claim "I'm 
too smart to be in a cult" is nonsensical, because...uh...what the 
quote said.


It also helps to explain the Confrontation Junkie Syndrome, in which 
cultists attempt to draw people into extended arguments. They're 
assuming they can "win," and somehow find some way to justify their 
unjustifiable beliefs, and at the same time provide a diversion to 
distract people from the fact that they made a non-smart decision.

>
Now this is funny - a guy that was so smart that he joined a cult, posts 
a message about smart people that join cults, and then another guy who 
was so smart that he /joined two cults/, posts a message agreeing that 
/it is really dumb to join a cult/. LoL!



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: We need to ask

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 5/20/2014 10:57 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
What I'm wondering is how they are going to tell who is standing over 
the Internet. 

>
You're not even making any sense. Nobody can "/stand over the 
internet./" Go figure.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Vigilantes

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 5/20/2014 10:06 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
As if you never wrote insulting screeds about me or Ann in an attempt 
to get FFL members to dislike us because you dislike us. Talk about 
hypocrisy...

>
If you want to talk about attempting to get FFL members to dislike you, 
let's talk about how you tried to get others to shun me for ten years by 
attacking me and calling me a troll. Maybe you should just keep you 
pie-hole shut about hypocrisy. That's what I think.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Vigilantes

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Nobody attacked Steve. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 5/20/2014 9:41 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
 >
 
   Somehow I don't think Ann was listing what she thought were attacks on her 
livelihood. Somehow I don't think Barry thinks that either.
 
 
 Ann was presenting Steve with a list of Barry's attacks on her that apparently 
don't bother Steve. 
 
 
 In other words, she was actively attempting to get someone on this forum to 
not like someone she doesn't like. Exactly what I said about the Vedic 
Vigilantes. Thank you for supporting my thesis. 
 



 >
 So, you're objecting to attacks on people by attacking people and that this 
post proves your point - somebody attacked Steve for not objecting to the 
attacks? Now that's funny! 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Vigilantes

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 5/20/2014 9:41 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

>
Somehow I don't think Ann was listing what she thought were attacks on 
her livelihood. Somehow I don't think Barry thinks that either.


Ann was presenting Steve with a list of Barry's attacks on her that 
apparently don't bother Steve.



In other words, she was actively attempting to get someone on this 
forum to not like someone she doesn't like. Exactly what I said about 
the Vedic Vigilantes. Thank you for supporting my thesis.

>
So, you're objecting to attacks on people /by attacking people/ and that 
this post proves your point - /somebody attacked Steve for not objecting 
to the attacks? /Now that's funny!



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Vigilantes

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 5/20/2014 9:33 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
(Goodness knows I could compile a much longer list of Barry's insults, 
/including/ attacks on my livelihood.)

>
Goodness, /willytex/ probably holds the record for the number of 
insulting names he's been called, including attacks on his livlihood. 
Let me know if you want to go over a few. We could probably start with 
"troll." LoL!



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Vigilantes

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 5/20/2014 7:51 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Jeez. Talk about a river in Egypt. Talk about a guilty conscience. 
Talk about projection. Talk about shooting the messengers (good point, 
Steve). Talk about out-of-control reactive!



>
Maybe its time for Barry to take another trip to Amsterdam to have a 
smoke and chill out. Go figure.




This rap is for those long-term FFL members who claim that their 
continuing *personal attacks* against those who raise questions about 
the beliefs and behaviors of long-term TMers are for noble, 
altruistic, and non-self-serving reasons. WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Vigilantes

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 5/20/2014 7:14 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


The only thing that bothers me are the vicious personal attacks on 
people's livelihoods, including many things that have been directed at 
you and especially Curtis.

>
Some informants used to make fun of my janitor job at the community 
college - Barry  even suggested that I screwed prairie dogs in my spare 
time. Judy once called me a mollusk. You are the first person on this 
list that has ever complained about these personal attacks. Where I come 
from, silence usually indicates agreement. Go figure.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Vedic Vigilantes

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

Prattle.

On 5/20/2014 4:25 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
This rap is for those long-term FFL members who claim that their 
continuing *personal attacks* against those who raise questions about 
the beliefs and behaviors of long-term TMers are for noble, 
altruistic, and non-self-serving reasons. WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU.


We *understand* that you're attached to the things you were taught to 
believe by Maharishi and his talking parrots (TM teachers). We 
*understand* that these beliefs on your part are deeply established, 
often so deeply that you do not recognize that these beliefs were 
carefully TAUGHT to you. We *understand* that sometimes the things 
that critics of Maharishi and his technique and his organization write 
sometimes piss you off, push your buttons, make you reactive, and make 
you want to lash out at the critics. But PLEASE don't insult our 
intelligence by pretending you're doing this because you're trying to 
"protect others" from the evil influence of these critics.


You're doing it because you enjoy being angry and lashing out. End of 
story.


You *know* (as do we) that the criticisms push your buttons, trigger 
your own cognitive dissonance, and make you crazy. EVERYONE reading 
the things you write knows this, no matter how hard you try to deny 
it. But there is a simple solution to this, one practiced by the vast 
majority of TM practitioners and believers (and in fact recommended by 
the TMO itself) -- just don't read FFL.


You're here on FFL after all these years because YOU LIKE TO ATTACK 
PEOPLE YOU DON'T LIKE, all in the name of a spurious "spiritual 
teaching." You're Vedic Vigilantes.


With very few exceptions, none of you are actual TM teachers 
yourselves. The one or two actual TM teachers who regularly attack the 
critics haven't taught TM in a decade or more. The others hung around 
on the periphery of the TM movement for decades, quietly pissed off 
because you were treated like second-class citizens, and noticing that 
the only time TM teachers *did* praise you or give you any attention 
was when you 1) parroted back some "knowledge" they'd told you to 
memorize, and 2) when you "stood up for" MMY or TM or the TMO in 
response to some criticism. So that's what you *still* do today on 
FFL. You've convinced yourself that parroting the things you were 
taught and attacking people (especially ex-TM teachers) who no longer 
believe the things you believe is "dharmic," the work of God.


But it really isn't. It's just you feeling the need to attack someone. 
You're the Vedic equivalent of Ku Klux Klan members, pretending that 
you're doing the things you do and writing the things you write to 
"protect" others. The "TM critics" are your niggers.


In reality, I think you're all still here on FFL because you ENJOY 
lashing out the way you do, and in fact ENJOY the state of 
near-constant anger your continued presence on FFL causes in you. You 
keep trying to raise the question, "What are these non-meditators 
still doing on this forum after having left the TM movement years 
ago?" Well, we're here because the forum was *explicitly created* to 
be a forum on which people can express their opinions about the TM 
movement, free from the persecution that would quickly follow critical 
opinions if people tried to say these things within the TM movement 
itself.


But I honestly think that the reason the Vedic Vigilantes are still 
here is that THEY DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT THIS IS A TM "FREE SPEECH 
ZONE." The very fact that people are *allowed* to say the kinds of 
things critics are allowed to say here PISSES YOU OFF. But on another 
level, rather than just go to some other namby-pamby TM forum where 
you'll never hear a critical word, you stay here. I have to believe 
that the reason YOU'RE still here is that you are trying to DESTROY 
this TM Free Speech area that Rick set up, and drive away those who 
actually dare to take it seriously, and speak freely.


We're not going away. Rick set up this forum for US.

If you don't like it -- or us -- why don't YOU go elsewhere? Or just 
don't read the things we post. Or read the things we post and try to 
comment intelligently about the *ideas* we bring up.


Continuing to attack us personally because we use this forum AS IT WAS 
INTENDED TO BE USED raises more questions about YOUR sanity and YOUR 
motives than it does ours.











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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: One Hundred Meditators! The Light Brigade Deploys to Ukraine

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

For the record, it was I who noted the meaning of "Light" in "Llght Brigade." 
Buck was apparently assuming it meant bright and shining. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Buck just does not think things through sometimes when he is adapting 
literature to his cause. As Buck correctly mentioned that 'light' in this poem 
means light in the sense of insubstantial. Light Brigade means 'Light' Cavalry, 
a weaker force for smaller skirmishes. So for the very dangerous job of the 
Crimean situation we should send in less than the strongest possible body?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Does sorta make you shake your head, doesn't it? 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 LOL, should have been paying attention to this thread from the beginning. 
 On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:01 AM, "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   Uh, Buck, that the charge of the Light Brigade was a disaster rather than a 
triumph isn't exactly a "detail." It's a tragic story about foolish, mindless 
bravery that resulted in unnecessary suffering and death and didn't accomplish 
anything. It's about the worst model for a TM mission to Crimea I can think of. 
You should be praying you haven't put a curse on it.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks I do appreciate all that and for anyone who does not know history that 
way it should be said.  But also being way too literal in nature here obsessing 
the details can get in the way of another good story otherwise. One hundred 
meditators. Knowing the Transformative Power of the Unified Field Transcendent 
in the human physiology, it works. I feel it is heroic and admirable what these 
meditators have willfully set off to do, in the Crimea. Joy, Enjoy it, -Buck in 
the Dome
 

 Authfriend writes: Did you miss Xeno's post, Buck? The charge of the Light 
Brigade was a disaster. They were mistakenly sent against a force they were not 
equipped to fight and were mowed down in great numbers. They had to retreat 
with no military gain. Even though it was obvious they were headed for 
ignominious defeat, nobody objected to the order. Essentially, they were brave 
but stupid.
 

 Oh, and the "Light" in "Light Brigade" means lightweight. It doesn't refer to 
something that shines.
 



 Creating Coherence and Harmony
in the Collective Consciousness in the World
for Peace and Unity in all the Nations.

 

 One Hundred Meditators, traveling leagues, a league, half a league onward, to 
meditate in the valley of Death the Crimea, come the hundred to meditate:
 

 Forward, came the Light Brigade of meditators!

 

 'Forward, the Light Brigade of Meditators!' Was there a meditator dismay'd ? 
Knowing of themselves their own experience transcendent and the science so, 
theirs not to make reply, theirs not to reason why, theirs but to meditate. 
Into the valley of Death Crimea came the hundred meditators.
 

 Cannon to right of them, Tanks to left of them, Cannon in front of them. 
Boldly they came in peace and well, Into the jaws of Death, Into the mouth of 
Hell came the hundred meditating.
 

 When can their glory fade? Om the wild charge they make in meditation together 
for Peace! In meditation together for peace! All the world wonders. Honour the 
charge they make! Honour this Light Brigade, the Noble One Hundred Meditators!
 In Paraphrase,
 -Buck in the Dome
 
 

 In Support! Practicing Meditators in Fairfield, Iowa abide by the deployment 
of the one hundred meditators gone to Crimea too! Let us pull together 
meditating in support of the Hundred and peace in all Europe, over even to the 
Crimea and around the whole world.
 





















 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: One Hundred Meditators! The Light Brigade Deploys to Ukraine

[anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Buck just does not think things through sometimes when he is adapting 
literature to his cause. As Buck correctly mentioned that 'light' in this poem 
means light in the sense of insubstantial. Light Brigade means 'Light' Cavalry, 
a weaker force for smaller skirmishes. So for the very dangerous job of the 
Crimean situation we should send in less than the strongest possible body?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Does sorta make you shake your head, doesn't it? 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 LOL, should have been paying attention to this thread from the beginning. 
 On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:01 AM, "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   Uh, Buck, that the charge of the Light Brigade was a disaster rather than a 
triumph isn't exactly a "detail." It's a tragic story about foolish, mindless 
bravery that resulted in unnecessary suffering and death and didn't accomplish 
anything. It's about the worst model for a TM mission to Crimea I can think of. 
You should be praying you haven't put a curse on it.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks I do appreciate all that and for anyone who does not know history that 
way it should be said.  But also being way too literal in nature here obsessing 
the details can get in the way of another good story otherwise. One hundred 
meditators. Knowing the Transformative Power of the Unified Field Transcendent 
in the human physiology, it works. I feel it is heroic and admirable what these 
meditators have willfully set off to do, in the Crimea. Joy, Enjoy it, -Buck in 
the Dome
 

 Authfriend writes: Did you miss Xeno's post, Buck? The charge of the Light 
Brigade was a disaster. They were mistakenly sent against a force they were not 
equipped to fight and were mowed down in great numbers. They had to retreat 
with no military gain. Even though it was obvious they were headed for 
ignominious defeat, nobody objected to the order. Essentially, they were brave 
but stupid.
 

 Oh, and the "Light" in "Light Brigade" means lightweight. It doesn't refer to 
something that shines.
 



 Creating Coherence and Harmony
in the Collective Consciousness in the World
for Peace and Unity in all the Nations.

 

 One Hundred Meditators, traveling leagues, a league, half a league onward, to 
meditate in the valley of Death the Crimea, come the hundred to meditate:
 

 Forward, came the Light Brigade of meditators!

 

 'Forward, the Light Brigade of Meditators!' Was there a meditator dismay'd ? 
Knowing of themselves their own experience transcendent and the science so, 
theirs not to make reply, theirs not to reason why, theirs but to meditate. 
Into the valley of Death Crimea came the hundred meditators.
 

 Cannon to right of them, Tanks to left of them, Cannon in front of them. 
Boldly they came in peace and well, Into the jaws of Death, Into the mouth of 
Hell came the hundred meditating.
 

 When can their glory fade? Om the wild charge they make in meditation together 
for Peace! In meditation together for peace! All the world wonders. Honour the 
charge they make! Honour this Light Brigade, the Noble One Hundred Meditators!
 In Paraphrase,
 -Buck in the Dome
 
 

 In Support! Practicing Meditators in Fairfield, Iowa abide by the deployment 
of the one hundred meditators gone to Crimea too! Let us pull together 
meditating in support of the Hundred and peace in all Europe, over even to the 
Crimea and around the whole world.
 





















 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 Never mind... I deleted my upload because the exact same file was already 
there, uploaded by Rick in 2008. It's in the Files section of the FFL website, 
in the Audio & Video Files folder.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Hello,
 
 
 This email message is a notification to let you know that
 a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the FairfieldLife
 group.
 
 
 File : /Audio & Video Files/Maharishi laughing 2.17.08.WMA
 Uploaded by : j_alexander_stanley mailto:j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com>
 Description : Maharishi laughing - Sent to FFL by Dick Mays
 
 
 You can access this file at the URL:
 
https://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/Audio%20%26%20Video%20Files/Maharishi%20laughing%202.17.08.WMA
 
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 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
 
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[FairfieldLife] New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: One Hundred Meditators! The Light Brigade Deploys to Ukraine

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Does sorta make you shake your head, doesn't it? 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 LOL, should have been paying attention to this thread from the beginning. 
 On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:01 AM, "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   Uh, Buck, that the charge of the Light Brigade was a disaster rather than a 
triumph isn't exactly a "detail." It's a tragic story about foolish, mindless 
bravery that resulted in unnecessary suffering and death and didn't accomplish 
anything. It's about the worst model for a TM mission to Crimea I can think of. 
You should be praying you haven't put a curse on it.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks I do appreciate all that and for anyone who does not know history that 
way it should be said.  But also being way too literal in nature here obsessing 
the details can get in the way of another good story otherwise. One hundred 
meditators. Knowing the Transformative Power of the Unified Field Transcendent 
in the human physiology, it works. I feel it is heroic and admirable what these 
meditators have willfully set off to do, in the Crimea. Joy, Enjoy it, -Buck in 
the Dome
 

 Authfriend writes: Did you miss Xeno's post, Buck? The charge of the Light 
Brigade was a disaster. They were mistakenly sent against a force they were not 
equipped to fight and were mowed down in great numbers. They had to retreat 
with no military gain. Even though it was obvious they were headed for 
ignominious defeat, nobody objected to the order. Essentially, they were brave 
but stupid.
 

 Oh, and the "Light" in "Light Brigade" means lightweight. It doesn't refer to 
something that shines.
 



 Creating Coherence and Harmony
in the Collective Consciousness in the World
for Peace and Unity in all the Nations.

 

 One Hundred Meditators, traveling leagues, a league, half a league onward, to 
meditate in the valley of Death the Crimea, come the hundred to meditate:
 

 Forward, came the Light Brigade of meditators!

 

 'Forward, the Light Brigade of Meditators!' Was there a meditator dismay'd ? 
Knowing of themselves their own experience transcendent and the science so, 
theirs not to make reply, theirs not to reason why, theirs but to meditate. 
Into the valley of Death Crimea came the hundred meditators.
 

 Cannon to right of them, Tanks to left of them, Cannon in front of them. 
Boldly they came in peace and well, Into the jaws of Death, Into the mouth of 
Hell came the hundred meditating.
 

 When can their glory fade? Om the wild charge they make in meditation together 
for Peace! In meditation together for peace! All the world wonders. Honour the 
charge they make! Honour this Light Brigade, the Noble One Hundred Meditators!
 In Paraphrase,
 -Buck in the Dome
 
 

 In Support! Practicing Meditators in Fairfield, Iowa abide by the deployment 
of the one hundred meditators gone to Crimea too! Let us pull together 
meditating in support of the Hundred and peace in all Europe, over even to the 
Crimea and around the whole world.
 





















 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Maharishi Laughing (sound only)

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Your link is unclickable, Dick. 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Maharishi laughing about the “merry-go-round” of life!
 




 

[FairfieldLife] Re: No Happiness in Iran...

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

There's should be a massive dance rally in that country to show the Iranian 
government about the will of the people.  It might stop the wars in the Middle 
East. 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 'Happiness' Video Prompts Arrests, And A Presidential Tweet, In Iran 
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/05/21/314577508/happiness-video-prompts-arrests-and-a-presidential-tweet-in-iran

 
 
 
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/05/21/314577508/happiness-video-prompts-arrests-and-a-presidential-tweet-in-iran
 
 'Happiness' Video Prompts Arrests, And A Preside... 
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/05/21/314577508/happiness-video-prompts-arrests-and-a-presidential-tweet-in-iran
 Authorities arrested the men and women after they danced together in a YouTube 
tribute to Pharrell Williams' ubiquitous song. After the president ...


 
 View on www.npr.org 
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/05/21/314577508/happiness-video-prompts-arrests-and-a-presidential-tweet-in-iran
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] No Happiness in Iran...

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

On my Allah! The vulgarity of it all! 
On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 11:47 AM, salyavin808  
wrote:
  


  
'Happiness' Video Prompts Arrests, And A Presidential Tweet, In Iran

  
  'Happiness' Video Prompts Arrests, And A Preside...  
Authorities arrested the men and women after they danced together in a YouTube 
tribute to Pharrell Williams' ubiquitous song. After the president ...  
View on www.npr.org  Preview by Yahoo   
  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: One Hundred Meditators! The Light Brigade Deploys to Ukraine

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

LOL, should have been paying attention to this thread from the beginning. 
On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:01 AM, "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
  


  
Uh, Buck, that the charge of the Light Brigade was a disaster rather than a 
triumph isn't exactly a "detail." It's a tragic story about foolish, mindless 
bravery that resulted in unnecessary suffering and death and didn't accomplish 
anything. It's about the worst model for a TM mission to Crimea I can think of. 
You should be praying you haven't put a curse on it.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Thanks I do
appreciate all that and for anyone who does not know history that way it should 
be said.  But also being way too literal in nature here obsessing the details 
can get in the way of another good story otherwise.  One
hundred meditators.  Knowing the Transformative Power of the Unified
Field Transcendent in the human physiology, it works. I feel it is heroic
and admirable what these meditators have willfully set off to do, in the 
Crimea.   Joy, Enjoy it,
-Buck in the Dome

Authfriend writes: Did you miss Xeno's post, Buck? The charge of the Light 
Brigade was a disaster. They were mistakenly sent against a force they were not 
equipped to fight and were mowed down in great numbers. They had to retreat 
with no military gain. Even though it was obvious they were headed for 
ignominious defeat, nobody objected to the order. Essentially, they were brave 
but stupid.


Oh, and the "Light" in "Light Brigade" means lightweight. It doesn't refer to 
something that shines.





Creating
Coherence and Harmony
in the Collective Consciousness in the
World
for Peace and Unity in all the Nations.


One
Hundred Meditators, traveling leagues, a league, half a league
onward, to meditate in the valley of Death the Crimea, come the
hundred to meditate:


Forward,
came the LightBrigade of meditators!



'Forward,
the LightBrigade of Meditators!' Was there a meditator dismay'd ? Knowing of
themselves their own experience transcendent and the science so,
theirs not to make reply, theirs not to reason why, theirs but to
meditate. Into the valley of Death Crimea came the hundred
meditators.


Cannon
to right of them, Tanks to left of them, Cannon in front of them.
Boldly they came in peace and well, Into the jaws of Death, Into the
mouth of Hell came the hundred meditating.

When
can their glory fade? Om the wild charge they make in meditation
together for Peace! In meditation together for peace! All the world
wonders. Honour the charge they make! Honour this LightBrigade, the Noble One 
Hundred Meditators!
In Paraphrase,
-Buck
in the Dome




In Support! Practicing Meditators in Fairfield, Iowa abide by
the deployment of the one hundred meditators gone to Crimea too!  Let us pull 
together meditating
in support of the Hundred and peace in all Europe, over even to the Crimea and 
around the
whole world.
  
 

[FairfieldLife] No Happiness in Iran...

[salyavin808]

'Happiness' Video Prompts Arrests, And A Presidential Tweet, In Iran 
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/05/21/314577508/happiness-video-prompts-arrests-and-a-presidential-tweet-in-iran

 
 
 
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/05/21/314577508/happiness-video-prompts-arrests-and-a-presidential-tweet-in-iran
 
 
 'Happiness' Video Prompts Arrests, And A Preside... 
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 Authorities arrested the men and women after they danced together in a YouTube 
tribute to Pharrell Williams' ubiquitous song. After the president ...
 
 
 
 View on www.npr.org 
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/05/21/314577508/happiness-video-prompts-arrests-and-a-presidential-tweet-in-iran
 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The benefit of enlightenment

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I cannot answer any of these questions, Sal, at least not to anyone's 
satisfaction - again, nothing to prove - take it, or leave it - no problem.:-) 
There is a lot written about liberation - I suggest you go read it. I am not 
here to make a case for it, other than to correct the obvious idiocies posted 
on here.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Aside from the moronic statements made on here, that enlightenment is no 
different or better, than any other state of consciousness, I thought I would 
address the practical benefit of enlightenment.
 

 Basically being established in silence, means a greater synchrony with life, 
with all that exists. The silence within, though it may initially feel 
personal, is not. It is the silence that pervades everything. Hence, if we have 
that established Being within ourselves, life is ours - no need to pine or 
become bitter about unfulfilled expectations or desires. All is for the taking, 
after silence is established. The whole of life works to fulfill our desires, 
once this state is reached.
 

 And if the desire is for cheeseburgers, so be it!
 

 But really, what does "The whole of life works to fulfil our desires" actually 
mean? Other than being rather self-aggrandising I can't see that it means 
anything at all, it sounds like you read it in the brochure and post it here 
because it sounds good. Give us an example.
 

 

 This is the benefit - This is the benefit, that dawns, once silence is 
established. Before that, there is a fundamental disconnect, between the 
individual desires, and the desires of life, itself. Afterwards, the bounty we 
receive is overwhelming. 
 

 So a daily visit to FFL to have a good arguement is part of some great plan of 
nature? God really does move in mysterious ways. You must get more rewards than 
the rest of us, we're just trying to look busy at work.
 

 

 Those who assert that enlightenment is no better or worse than anything else, 
have lost their way, and receive neither the benefits of enlightenment, nor of 
their own, desperate, state. It is a sad thing that some have become so 
despondent in their quest for enlightenment, that they give up, declaring it 
all a charade. There is no work so fulfilling, as to prepare ourselves for our 
liberation, and then to live it.
 

 In what way is your life actually different from before?

[FairfieldLife] Re: The benefit of enlightenment

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Aside from the moronic statements made on here, that enlightenment is no 
different or better, than any other state of consciousness, I thought I would 
address the practical benefit of enlightenment.
 

 Basically being established in silence, means a greater synchrony with life, 
with all that exists. The silence within, though it may initially feel 
personal, is not. It is the silence that pervades everything. Hence, if we have 
that established Being within ourselves, life is ours - no need to pine or 
become bitter about unfulfilled expectations or desires. All is for the taking, 
after silence is established. The whole of life works to fulfill our desires, 
once this state is reached.
 

 And if the desire is for cheeseburgers, so be it!
 

 But really, what does "The whole of life works to fulfil our desires" actually 
mean? Other than being rather self-aggrandising I can't see that it means 
anything at all, it sounds like you read it in the brochure and post it here 
because it sounds good. Give us an example.
 

 

 This is the benefit - This is the benefit, that dawns, once silence is 
established. Before that, there is a fundamental disconnect, between the 
individual desires, and the desires of life, itself. Afterwards, the bounty we 
receive is overwhelming. 
 

 So a daily visit to FFL to have a good arguement is part of some great plan of 
nature? God really does move in mysterious ways. You must get more rewards than 
the rest of us, we're just trying to look busy at work.
 

 

 Those who assert that enlightenment is no better or worse than anything else, 
have lost their way, and receive neither the benefits of enlightenment, nor of 
their own, desperate, state. It is a sad thing that some have become so 
despondent in their quest for enlightenment, that they give up, declaring it 
all a charade. There is no work so fulfilling, as to prepare ourselves for our 
liberation, and then to live it.
 

 In what way is your life actually different from before?

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Two Magic Words: "Prove It"

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

It is not a matter of proving that enlightenment brings about a more satisfying 
life - That is impossible to prove, anyway. A person simply has to make up 
their own mind on the subject. If one decides to go for it, the worst situation 
to be in, is one like yours, where you got halfway down the road, and then 
became lost and confused.  

 None of us are here to tell you anything about enlightenment. It is simply 
your foolish tirades and fantasies, that I am objecting to. Please talk about 
TV or movies. To hear you talk about your knowledge of enlightenment, is like 
listening to a six year old explain how to build a car - no relationship to 
reality.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It seems to me that two claims recently discussed -- and debated -- on this 
forum are essentially equivalent. 

The first is the question of whether or not there is a God. 

It is quite reasonable for a non-believer in the existence of God to say to a 
believer, "Prove it." Since with this question we know in advance that they 
cannot, then it would seem that claims to "know" that there is a God -- even by 
those who claim to have experienced Him/Her/It directly -- are just that -- 
claims. 

With regard to the question of whether the state of enlightenment is "better," 
or "special," or even "of value," I suggest that the non-believer in such 
claims is equally entitled to say, "Prove it." If the claimant cannot, then 
what you've got on your hands is another claim, and nothing more. 

As I see it, belief in either claim is a matter of BELIEF and FAITH, and will 
never be anything else. Most of those who believe have based that belief on 
what they have been told by those they consider "authorities." In many cases, 
the only real reason that they consider these people to be authoritative is 
because *they themselves have claimed that they were*. "I have experienced God, 
and thus I 'know'." "I am enlightened, and thus I 'know'."

But these are just claims. And neither set of claimants can prove them. 

In either case, if a believer in "enlightenment is special" happens to later 
have an experience that seems to match what they were told by the 
self-proclaimed "authorities" they look up to, science tells us that the 
believers would be *unable* to assess those experiences in a non-biased manner, 
because they've already been told what they supposedly "are," and "mean." 

So a person who has been told all his life that the experience of enlightened 
states of mind will make them "special," upon having such experiences 
themselves, will...wait for it...feel special. They've had decades of 
indoctrination telling them what the experiences they interpret as 
enlightenment "mean," and how "special" they are. OF COURSE they're going to be 
tempted to view the experiences -- and themselves -- as "special." This is the 
"stink of enlightenment" phenomenon that Anartaxius mentioned the other day. 

But it seems to me that the bottom line is that all we're dealing with when it 
comes to claims that enlightenment is "better" and "special" are a bunch of 
claims, made primarily by people who *stood to profit from people believing the 
claims*. 

I don't think that the two words "Prove it" are inappropriate in such a 
situation. 





 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Esther Williams - 3 US National Championships in freestyle and breaststroke 
swimming  - died at 91
Johnny Weissmuller - 5 Olympic gold medals in swimming - died age 79
Jim Thorpe - Olympic gold medalist and football player - died age 64
Hank Aaron - still alive at age 80
Joe Dimaggio - baseball star - died age 85

The list goes on and on and not a goddamn one of 'em ever did TM.



 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


In fact, there's evidence that athletes, especially those in teh extremely 
aerobic categories DO have shorter lifespans. How much is due to heart-strain 
from aerobic exercise or stress due to accumulated injuries, is another question

Steroids or EPO is my guess, cyclists in particular seem to die young.

, but current research suggests *moderation* in exercise, is the most healthy 
way to go.

Agreed. I limit myself to 100 hilly miles a day and 4 hours on the weights when 
I get back, with only a brief pause to post stuff to FFL.



L


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Seems clear to me - I remember very clearly the Movement claiming in the 1970's 
that TM made athletes perform more efficiently, yet Marshy was privately 
telling TM'ers exercise shortens one's life. And since Nabby is a person who 
believes every word that ever came out of Marshy Mahesh's mouth, I want to know 
if he thinks all the athletes in the world need to stop performing and stop 
exercising and just walk around and do TM. I mean, he claims the evidence on 
exercise is controversial, so he must think, based on what Marshy the fake guru 
said that all athletes should stop being athletic.




 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"



 
You really make some strange connections sometimes Michael.  Or are they 
linkages.  I don't know, but I think you are somewhat alone in not being able 
to make distinctions along these lines.

Just sayin'



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


So much for the old "excellence in action" baloney the
Movement used to use to target athletes to get 'em doing TM. So are you saying 
then that all the soccer athletes, the rugby players and all the other athletes 
in the world should give up their chosen lives, stop exercising and just do TM 
and take lazy walks while praying to Marshy and Benjy Creme? 




 From: nablusoss1008 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"



 
History will prove Maharishi to be right on this issue, again. Health benefits 
of jogging or heavy exercise is highly controversial. Joggers certainly don't 
live any longer and there as been some reports of the opposite. According to 
Maharishi Ayurveda 15 minutes of brisk walking is good for you. They don't 
recommend getting sweaty. 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Probably just a normal gait.  He never really specified.  At any rate, even a 
lazy walk might be more than is done by the general population.  



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"



 
What you say is fine.  Again, I was well aware of this "limited number of 
breaths" things.  It never stopped me, or anyone I knew from engaging in 
rigorous activity.  In my case, during my MIU years and after, playing tennis, 
or other sport that met my fancy.

So, it may be that you are making the exception the rule, at least as far as 
some people avoiding anything that may raise their breath
rate. 

And of course, you discount the fact that walking was always something 
recommended by MMY.  You feel the need to make a condescending comment about it.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Much of B's three posts on the subject today rang true, I know people still who 
don't do exercise because they think it will "stress" them in some way. I knew 
people who believe the secret to long life is not breathing too much. 


And so what.  They've chosen a certain lifestyle that suits them.  

Does it suit them? Or do they just go along with it because they were told 
they'd get enlightened quicker? Maybe you just find the anaemic, osteoporosis 
look irresistable. Go figure.


You're the one making a judgement about what they are doing.  

The only judgement I would make here is that they have a role model they trust 
utterly who doesn't seem to have m

[FairfieldLife] The Two Magic Words: "Prove It"

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

It seems to me that two claims recently discussed -- and debated -- on this 
forum are essentially equivalent. 

The first is the question of whether or not there is a God. 

It is quite reasonable for a non-believer in the existence of God to say to a 
believer, "Prove it." Since with this question we know in advance that they 
cannot, then it would seem that claims to "know" that there is a God -- even by 
those who claim to have experienced Him/Her/It directly -- are just that -- 
claims. 

With regard to the question of whether the state of enlightenment is "better," 
or "special," or even "of value," I suggest that the non-believer in such 
claims is equally entitled to say, "Prove it." If the claimant cannot, then 
what you've got on your hands is another claim, and nothing more. 

As I see it, belief in either claim is a matter of BELIEF and FAITH, and will 
never be anything else. Most of those who believe have based that belief on 
what they have been told by those they consider "authorities." In many cases, 
the only real reason that they consider these people to be authoritative is 
because *they themselves have claimed that they were*. "I have experienced God, 
and thus I 'know'." "I am enlightened, and thus I 'know'."

But these are just claims. And neither set of claimants can prove them. 

In either case, if a believer in "enlightenment is special" happens to later 
have an experience that seems to match what they were told by the 
self-proclaimed "authorities" they look up to, science tells us that the 
believers would be *unable* to assess those experiences in a non-biased manner, 
because they've already been told what they supposedly "are," and "mean." 

So a person who has been told all his life that the experience of enlightened 
states of mind will make them "special," upon having such experiences 
themselves, will...wait for it...feel special. They've had decades of 
indoctrination telling them what the experiences they interpret as 
enlightenment "mean," and how "special" they are. OF COURSE they're going to be 
tempted to view the experiences -- and themselves -- as "special." This is the 
"stink of enlightenment" phenomenon that Anartaxius mentioned the other day. 

But it seems to me that the bottom line is that all we're dealing with when it 
comes to claims that enlightenment is "better" and "special" are a bunch of 
claims, made primarily by people who *stood to profit from people believing the 
claims*. 

I don't think that the two words "Prove it" are inappropriate in such a 
situation. 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] The benefit of enlightenment

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

He continues to be a moron, though. :-)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Doc, the weird thing is, I actually think you and turq are very similar in 
that your individual desires seem, from what you both report about your 
respective lives, aligned with the desires of life LOL!

 Doc  On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 8:48 AM, "fleetwood_macncheese@... 
[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
 
 

   Aside from the moronic statements made on here, that enlightenment is no 
different or better, than any other state of consciousness, I thought I would 
address the practical benefit of enlightenment.
 

 Basically being established in silence, means a greater synchrony with life, 
with all that exists. The silence within, though it may initially feel 
personal, is not. It is the silence that pervades everything. Hence, if we have 
that established Being within ourselves, life is ours - no need to pine or 
become bitter about unfulfilled expectations or desires. All is for the taking, 
after silence is established. The whole of life works to fulfill our desires, 
once this state is reached.
 

 This is the benefit - This is the benefit, that dawns, once silence is 
established. Before that, there is a fundamental disconnect, between the 
individual desires, and the desires of life, itself. Afterwards, the bounty we 
receive is overwhelming. 
 

 Those who assert that enlightenment is no better or worse than anything else, 
have lost their way, and receive neither the benefits of enlightenment, nor of 
their own, desperate, state. It is a sad thing that some have become so 
despondent in their quest for enlightenment, that they give up, declaring it 
all a charade. There is no work so fulfilling, as to prepare ourselves for our 
liberation, and then to live it.

 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Athletes live longer: Study

 
 Athletes live longer: Study
The study featuring in the July 2010 issue of The Journal of Science and 
Medicine in Sport (JSAMS), published by Sports Medicine Australia, examined the 
mortality and longevity of elite athletes to understand the association between 
exercise training and survival rates.  
View on www.news-medical.net Preview by Yahoo  
 


 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


In fact, there's evidence that athletes, especially those in teh extremely 
aerobic categories DO have shorter lifespans. How much is due to heart-strain 
from aerobic exercise or stress due to accumulated injuries, is another question

Steroids or EPO is my guess, cyclists in particular seem to die young.

, but current research suggests *moderation* in exercise, is the most healthy 
way to go.

Agreed. I limit myself to 100 hilly miles a day and 4 hours on the weights when 
I get back, with only a brief pause to post stuff to FFL.



L


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Seems clear to me - I remember very clearly the Movement claiming in the 1970's 
that TM made athletes perform more efficiently, yet Marshy was privately 
telling TM'ers exercise shortens one's life. And since Nabby is a person who 
believes every word that ever came out of Marshy Mahesh's mouth, I want to know 
if he thinks all the athletes in the world need to stop performing and stop 
exercising and just walk around and do TM. I mean, he claims the evidence on 
exercise is controversial, so he must think, based on what Marshy the fake guru 
said that all athletes should stop being athletic.




 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"



 
You really make some strange connections sometimes Michael.  Or are they 
linkages.  I don't know, but I think you are somewhat alone in not being able 
to make distinctions along these lines.

Just sayin'



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


So much for the old "excellence in action" baloney the
Movement used to use to target athletes to get 'em doing TM. So are you saying 
then that all the soccer athletes, the rugby players and all the other athletes 
in the world should give up their chosen lives, stop exercising and just do TM 
and take lazy walks while praying to Marshy and Benjy Creme? 




 From: nablusoss1008 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"



 
History will prove Maharishi to be right on this issue, again. Health benefits 
of jogging or heavy exercise is highly controversial. Joggers certainly don't 
live any longer and there as been some reports of the opposite. According to 
Maharishi Ayurveda 15 minutes of brisk walking is good for you. They don't 
recommend getting sweaty. 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Probably just a normal gait.  He never really specified.  At any rate, even a 
lazy walk might be more than is done by the general population.  



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"



 
What you say is fine.  Again, I was well aware of this "limited number of 
breaths" things.  It never stopped me, or anyone I knew from engaging in 
rigorous activity.  In my case, during my MIU years and after, playing tennis, 
or other sport that met my fancy.

So, it may be that you are making the exception the rule, at least as far as 
some people avoiding anything that may raise their breath
rate. 

And of course, you discount the fact that walking was always something 
recommended by MMY.  You feel the need to make a condescending comment about it.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Much of B's three posts on the subject today rang true, I know people still who 
don't do exercise because they think it will "stress" them in some way. I knew 
people who believe the secret to long life is not breathing too much. 


And so what.  They've chosen a certain lifestyle that suits them.  

Does it suit them? Or do they just go along with it because they were told 
they'd get enlightened quicker? Maybe you just find the anaemic, osteoporosis 
look irresistable. Go figure.


You're the one making a judgement about what they are doing.  

The only judgement I would make here is that they have a role model they trust 
utterly who doesn't seem to have

Re: [FairfieldLife] The benefit of enlightenment

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I am perfectly willing to allow you, Barry, your lost, and cynical, point of 
view. I have nothing to prove to you.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Two words: prove it. 

 

 If you cannot, then I don't see how this is anything other than yet another 
elitist claim. 

 

 And it's the *same* claim, whether it's you saying it or Maharishi, and can be 
accurately synopsized as "Enlightenment is better, and you have to take my word 
on it, because...uh...I am enlightened, and you HAVE to take the word of 
enlightened people about such things, because they are...uh...better."  :-)

 

 A thinking person would be tempted to look at what you write here and say, 
"Now wait just a minute...this person is claiming to be enlightened, and 
defining that as being so 'established in silence' that everything in his life 
'works to fulfill his desires.' If that is so, then why does he feel the need 
to put down someone who doesn't care to become what he claims to be, and 
suggest that they are 'moronic' and have 'lost their way?' Which of your 
desires is not being fulfilled by this other person's decision? It's almost as 
if you are saying, 'Everyone HAS to look up to me and want to be like 
me...anything less is a waste of life.' That sounds like more like narcissistic 
psychosis to me than it does 'enlightenment.'" 

 

 

 From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:48 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] The benefit of enlightenment
 
 
   Aside from the moronic statements made on here, that enlightenment is no 
different or better, than any other state of consciousness, I thought I would 
address the practical benefit of enlightenment.
 

 Basically being established in silence, means a greater synchrony with life, 
with all that exists. The silence within, though it may initially feel 
personal, is not. It is the silence that pervades everything. Hence, if we have 
that established Being within ourselves, life is ours - no need to pine or 
become bitter about unfulfilled expectations or desires. All is for the taking, 
after silence is established. The whole of life works to fulfill our desires, 
once this state is reached.
 

 This is the benefit - This is the benefit, that dawns, once silence is 
established. Before that, there is a fundamental disconnect, between the 
individual desires, and the desires of life, itself. Afterwards, the bounty we 
receive is overwhelming. 
 

 Those who assert that enlightenment is no better or worse than anything else, 
have lost their way, and receive neither the benefits of enlightenment, nor of 
their own, desperate, state. It is a sad thing that some have become so 
despondent in their quest for enlightenment, that they give up, declaring it 
all a charade. There is no work so fulfilling, as to prepare ourselves for our 
liberation, and then to live it.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 In fact, there's evidence that athletes, especially those in teh extremely 
aerobic categories DO have shorter lifespans. How much is due to heart-strain 
from aerobic exercise or stress due to accumulated injuries, is another question
 

 Steroids or EPO is my guess, cyclists in particular seem to die young.
 

 , but current research suggests *moderation* in exercise, is the most healthy 
way to go.
 

 Agreed. I limit myself to 100 hilly miles a day and 4 hours on the weights 
when I get back, with only a brief pause to post stuff to FFL.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Seems clear to me - I remember very clearly the Movement claiming in the 
1970's that TM made athletes perform more efficiently, yet Marshy was privately 
telling TM'ers exercise shortens one's life. And since Nabby is a person who 
believes every word that ever came out of Marshy Mahesh's mouth, I want to know 
if he thinks all the athletes in the world need to stop performing and stop 
exercising and just walk around and do TM. I mean, he claims the evidence on 
exercise is controversial, so he must think, based on what Marshy the fake guru 
said that all athletes should stop being athletic.

 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 8:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"
 
 
   You really make some strange connections sometimes Michael.  Or are they 
linkages.  I don't know, but I think you are somewhat alone in not being able 
to make distinctions along these lines.
 

 Just sayin'
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 So much for the old "excellence in action" baloney the Movement used to use to 
target athletes to get 'em doing TM. So are you saying then that all the soccer 
athletes, the rugby players and all the other athletes in the world should give 
up their chosen lives, stop exercising and just do TM and take lazy walks while 
praying to Marshy and Benjy Creme? 

 

 From: nablusoss1008 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 8:38 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"
 
 
   History will prove Maharishi to be right on this issue, again. Health 
benefits of jogging or heavy exercise is highly controversial. Joggers 
certainly don't live any longer and there as been some reports of the opposite. 
According to Maharishi Ayurveda 15 minutes of brisk walking is good for you. 
They don't recommend getting sweaty. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Probably just a normal gait.  He never really specified.  At any rate, even a 
lazy walk might be more than is done by the general population.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 8:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"
 
 
   What you say is fine.  Again, I was well aware of this "limited number of 
breaths" things.  It never stopped me, or anyone I knew from engaging in 
rigorous activity.  In my case, during my MIU years and after, playing tennis, 
or other sport that met my fancy.
 

 So, it may be that you are making the exception the rule, at least as far as 
some people avoiding anything that may raise their breath rate. 
 

 And of course, you discount the fact that walking was always something 
recommended by MMY.  You feel the need to make a condescending comment about it.
 

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Much of B's three posts on the subject today rang true, I know people still 
who don't do exercise because they think it will "stress" them in some way. I 
knew people who believe the secret to long life is not breathing too much. 

 

 And so what.  They've chosen a certain lifestyle that suits them.  
 

 Does it suit them? Or do they just go along with it because they were told 
they'd get enlightened quicker? Maybe you just find the anaemic, osteoporosis 
look irresistable. Go figure.

 

 You're the one making a judgement about what they are doing.  
 

 The only judgement I would make here is that they have a role model they trust 
utterly who doesn't seem to have much of a clue about anything really. It would 
be easy to say it's their own stupid fault for taking it too seriously and 
following a leader who puts his religious beliefs before the science he claimed 
to be inspired by, but that was all part of the Marshy magic.
 

 I'm just glad I managed to keep a sane head through it all. 
 

 

 And really you probably have no idea if rigorous exercise is better than just 
taking a walk. Was MMY against walking as well?
 

 If the only exercise you get is carrying a flask of hot water around you are 
asking for trouble in future. That's a fa

[FairfieldLife] Re: One Hundred Meditators! The Light Brigade Deploys to Ukraine

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Uh, Buck, that the charge of the Light Brigade was a disaster rather than a 
triumph isn't exactly a "detail." It's a tragic story about foolish, mindless 
bravery that resulted in unnecessary suffering and death and didn't accomplish 
anything. It's about the worst model for a TM mission to Crimea I can think of. 
You should be praying you haven't put a curse on it. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks I do appreciate all that and for anyone who does not know history that 
way it should be said.  But also being way too literal in nature here obsessing 
the details can get in the way of another good story otherwise. One hundred 
meditators. Knowing the Transformative Power of the Unified Field Transcendent 
in the human physiology, it works. I feel it is heroic and admirable what these 
meditators have willfully set off to do, in the Crimea. Joy, Enjoy it, -Buck in 
the Dome
 

 Authfriend writes: Did you miss Xeno's post, Buck? The charge of the Light 
Brigade was a disaster. They were mistakenly sent against a force they were not 
equipped to fight and were mowed down in great numbers. They had to retreat 
with no military gain. Even though it was obvious they were headed for 
ignominious defeat, nobody objected to the order. Essentially, they were brave 
but stupid.
 

 Oh, and the "Light" in "Light Brigade" means lightweight. It doesn't refer to 
something that shines.
 



 Creating Coherence and Harmony
in the Collective Consciousness in the World
for Peace and Unity in all the Nations.

 

 One Hundred Meditators, traveling leagues, a league, half a league onward, to 
meditate in the valley of Death the Crimea, come the hundred to meditate:
 

 Forward, came the Light Brigade of meditators!

 

 'Forward, the Light Brigade of Meditators!' Was there a meditator dismay'd ? 
Knowing of themselves their own experience transcendent and the science so, 
theirs not to make reply, theirs not to reason why, theirs but to meditate. 
Into the valley of Death Crimea came the hundred meditators.
 

 Cannon to right of them, Tanks to left of them, Cannon in front of them. 
Boldly they came in peace and well, Into the jaws of Death, Into the mouth of 
Hell came the hundred meditating.
 

 When can their glory fade? Om the wild charge they make in meditation together 
for Peace! In meditation together for peace! All the world wonders. Honour the 
charge they make! Honour this Light Brigade, the Noble One Hundred Meditators!
 In Paraphrase,
 -Buck in the Dome
 
 

 In Support! Practicing Meditators in Fairfield, Iowa abide by the deployment 
of the one hundred meditators gone to Crimea too! Let us pull together 
meditating in support of the Hundred and peace in all Europe, over even to the 
Crimea and around the whole world.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: We need to ask

[j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I don't know, Buck. Truth is, life is a mystery. Everyone must stand alone.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks Alex, that gets closer. What was this guy thinking?
 -Buck

 

 Alex writes:
 

IP address is:
 

 69.212.127.19
Canonical name: adsl-69-212-127-19.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net
 

 The sfldmi refers to Southfield, Michigan, which is Detroit area.
 

 Wow, that post [FFL #384175] is mighty unsettling. What kind of nut would come 
on here to this community and post that particular thing without context and 
then leave? 
 The conservative in me would like to have law-enforcement notified about this 
person. Apparently the Fairfield police read social media pages about 
Fairfield. I hope they take notice of this potential threat and run it down a 
little. The newer safety policy on campus is to bring law enforcement to 
illegalities as they occur. Seems this one evidently rises to an inter-state 
level of threat. Who is this person, jamesm227 ?
 Sincerely,
 -Buck in the Dome
 

 The Fairfield Meditating Community:
 

 “We are a group of people who have come together and created a community for a 
transcendentally important common purpose, which of course is to practice the 
Transcendental Meditation program and the TM-Sidhi program together as a group, 
for the sake of bringing coherence to national and world consciousness based on 
balancing labor and leisure to meditate while working together for the benefit 
of the community. Our Super-Radiance meditating community includes families of 
all the TM-Meditators and TM-Sidhas in the Fairfield, Vedic City and Jefferson 
County area.”
 

 

 Sal writes:

 IP address from California too...you could be right Share.

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Or maybe that poster is laughing his head off at us. Meaning that the IA 
program hasn't been called the Creating Coherence program for about 7 years or 
so...

 On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 12:54 PM, salyavin808  
wrote:
 
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 If that was a dome announcement, Buck should be able to tell us what it was 
about.
 

 And perhaps he'll adapt it into the Rime of the Ancient Mariner to help us 
understand...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Ok, that was weird. The guy subscribed this morning. Made one post. And 
unsubscribed.

Oh well, it must have meant something to him. Or maybe he suddenly realised 
where he was!
 

 Good one!
 

 Will we ever know.
 

 Sounds a little ominous to me actually. I hope we don't hear of any 'mishaps' 
in the Domes tonight.

nablusoss1008 writes:
This fellow might have a point, seeing the fanatical and unbalanced behavior 
from some anti-Movement people here.

 
# 

 jamesm227 writes:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 We need to ask that only those on the Creating Coherence Program remain in the 
dome at this time. If anyone has any questions about security, please stand.




  











 
.

[FairfieldLife] Witnessing the Great Transcendent

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yep and even before Descartes in the West, “Know thy Self” is the old direction 
and spiritual saying from way back looking to the Unified Field. That truth is 
again brought forward in a transcendentalism of “a life well lived”, versus 
this un-quieted desperation of the materialism of these anti-meditation 
neganauts displayed here.  One can feel a grave concern for the sanity of our 
neganauts here based on what evidently is a growing body of clinical evidence 
to their negative obsessions with and their outbursts over transcending 
meditation and what clearly is the manifest transcendent experience of the 
Unified Field in others so attested to by so many adept in spirituality and 
human potential. May the great over-soul of the Unified Field have mercy on the 
small souls of our neganauts here in the unfoldment of their own awakening 
experience, -Buck 
 sharelong60 writes:
 Thanks, Richard, I'm sure Descartes was a lovely fellow, but I'm sticking with 
the Buddhists and Hindus (-: 
 punditster writes: On 5/20/2014 9:53 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... 
mailto:sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I go with: consciousness exists. 
Which leads me to think that whatever seems to exist, I assume it too is 
consciousness.
 Addressing the important issues!
 
 The philosopher Rene Descartes put forth a famous theory - "I think, therefore 
I am." Descartes was a dualist who believed that the mind was separate from the 
body. However, long before Rene Descarte the ancient Buddhists and Hindus had 
already formulated the notion of non-duality mentioned in the Upanishads - the 
notion that consciousness itself was the ultimate reality and that it was one, 
not two. In India they call this the "Consciousness Only School", ascribed to 
by the Adi Shankara and Arya Asanga. According to the Mahayana Sutra Lankara: 
 
 "Pure consciousness is the only Reality. By its nature, it is Self-luminous." 
(XIII, 13). "Thus shaking off duality, he directly perceives the Absolute which 
is the unity underlying phenomena (dharmadatu)." (VI, 7) Sharma, p. 112-113
 
 
.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

In fact, there's evidence that athletes, especially those in teh extremely 
aerobic categories DO have shorter lifespans. How much is due to heart-strain 
from aerobic exercise or stress due to accumulated injuries, is another 
question, but current research suggests *moderation* in exercise, is the most 
healthy way to go. 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Seems clear to me - I remember very clearly the Movement claiming in the 
1970's that TM made athletes perform more efficiently, yet Marshy was privately 
telling TM'ers exercise shortens one's life. And since Nabby is a person who 
believes every word that ever came out of Marshy Mahesh's mouth, I want to know 
if he thinks all the athletes in the world need to stop performing and stop 
exercising and just walk around and do TM. I mean, he claims the evidence on 
exercise is controversial, so he must think, based on what Marshy the fake guru 
said that all athletes should stop being athletic.

 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 8:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"
 
 
   You really make some strange connections sometimes Michael.  Or are they 
linkages.  I don't know, but I think you are somewhat alone in not being able 
to make distinctions along these lines.
 

 Just sayin'
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 So much for the old "excellence in action" baloney the Movement used to use to 
target athletes to get 'em doing TM. So are you saying then that all the soccer 
athletes, the rugby players and all the other athletes in the world should give 
up their chosen lives, stop exercising and just do TM and take lazy walks while 
praying to Marshy and Benjy Creme? 

 

 From: nablusoss1008 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 8:38 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"
 
 
   History will prove Maharishi to be right on this issue, again. Health 
benefits of jogging or heavy exercise is highly controversial. Joggers 
certainly don't live any longer and there as been some reports of the opposite. 
According to Maharishi Ayurveda 15 minutes of brisk walking is good for you. 
They don't recommend getting sweaty. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Probably just a normal gait.  He never really specified.  At any rate, even a 
lazy walk might be more than is done by the general population.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 8:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"
 
 
   What you say is fine.  Again, I was well aware of this "limited number of 
breaths" things.  It never stopped me, or anyone I knew from engaging in 
rigorous activity.  In my case, during my MIU years and after, playing tennis, 
or other sport that met my fancy.
 

 So, it may be that you are making the exception the rule, at least as far as 
some people avoiding anything that may raise their breath rate. 
 

 And of course, you discount the fact that walking was always something 
recommended by MMY.  You feel the need to make a condescending comment about it.
 

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Much of B's three posts on the subject today rang true, I know people still 
who don't do exercise because they think it will "stress" them in some way. I 
knew people who believe the secret to long life is not breathing too much. 

 

 And so what.  They've chosen a certain lifestyle that suits them.  
 

 Does it suit them? Or do they just go along with it because they were told 
they'd get enlightened quicker? Maybe you just find the anaemic, osteoporosis 
look irresistable. Go figure.

 

 You're the one making a judgement about what they are doing.  
 

 The only judgement I would make here is that they have a role model they trust 
utterly who doesn't seem to have much of a clue about anything really. It would 
be easy to say it's their own stupid fault for taking it too seriously and 
following a leader who puts his religious beliefs before the science he claimed 
to be inspired by, but that was all part of the Marshy magic.
 

 I'm just glad I managed to keep a sane head through it all. 
 

 

 And really you probably have no idea if rigorous exercise is better than just 
taking a walk. Was MMY against walking as well?
 

 If the only exercise you get is carrying a flask of hot water around you are 
asking for trouble in future. That's a fact. 
 

 Seems to me that you can believe whatever crap you like about meditation and 
enlightenment, it won't make it any more or less likely. You've got it or you 
haven't I suspect.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The reason you get attacked, Barry, 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: We need to ask

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thanks Alex, that gets closer. What was this guy thinking?
 -Buck

 

 Alex writes:
 

IP address is:
 

 69.212.127.19
Canonical name: adsl-69-212-127-19.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net
 

 The sfldmi refers to Southfield, Michigan, which is Detroit area.
 

 Wow, that post [FFL #384175] is mighty unsettling. What kind of nut would come 
on here to this community and post that particular thing without context and 
then leave? 
 The conservative in me would like to have law-enforcement notified about this 
person. Apparently the Fairfield police read social media pages about 
Fairfield. I hope they take notice of this potential threat and run it down a 
little. The newer safety policy on campus is to bring law enforcement to 
illegalities as they occur. Seems this one evidently rises to an inter-state 
level of threat. Who is this person, jamesm227 ?
 Sincerely,
 -Buck in the Dome
 

 
 The Fairfield Meditating Community:
 

 “We are a group of people who have come together and created a community for a 
transcendentally important common purpose, which of course is to practice the 
Transcendental Meditation program and the TM-Sidhi program together as a group, 
for the sake of bringing coherence to national and world consciousness based on 
balancing labor and leisure to meditate while working together for the benefit 
of the community. Our Super-Radiance meditating community includes families of 
all the TM-Meditators and TM-Sidhas in the Fairfield, Vedic City and Jefferson 
County area.”
 

 

 Sal writes:

 IP address from California too...you could be right Share.

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Or maybe that poster is laughing his head off at us. Meaning that the IA 
program hasn't been called the Creating Coherence program for about 7 years or 
so...

 On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 12:54 PM, salyavin808  
wrote:
 
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 If that was a dome announcement, Buck should be able to tell us what it was 
about.
 

 And perhaps he'll adapt it into the Rime of the Ancient Mariner to help us 
understand...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Ok, that was weird. The guy subscribed this morning. Made one post. And 
unsubscribed.

Oh well, it must have meant something to him. Or maybe he suddenly realised 
where he was!
 

 Good one!
 

 Will we ever know.
 

 Sounds a little ominous to me actually. I hope we don't hear of any 'mishaps' 
in the Domes tonight.

nablusoss1008 writes:
This fellow might have a point, seeing the fanatical and unbalanced behavior 
from some anti-Movement people here.

 
# 

 jamesm227 writes:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 We need to ask that only those on the Creating Coherence Program remain in the 
dome at this time. If anyone has any questions about security, please stand.




  









 


 
.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thanks, Richard, I'm sure Descartes was a lovely fellow, but I'm sticking with 
the Buddhists and Hindus (-:

On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 7:59 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com 
[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
 


  
On 5/20/2014 9:53 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:

I go with: consciousness exists. Which leads me to think that whatever seems to 
exist, I assume it too is consciousness.
>
Addressing the important issues!

The philosopher Rene Descartes put forth a famous theory - "I think, therefore 
I am." Descartes was a dualist who believed that the mind was separate from the 
body. However, long before Rene Descarte the ancient Buddhists and Hindus had 
already formulated the notion of non-duality mentioned in the Upanishads - the 
notion that consciousness itself was the ultimate reality and that it was one, 
not two. In India they call this the "Consciousness Only School", ascribed to 
by the Adi Shankara and Arya Asanga. According to the Mahayana Sutra Lankara: 

"Pure consciousness is the only Reality. By its nature, it is Self-luminous." 
(XIII, 13). "Thus shaking off duality, he directly perceives the Absolute which 
is the unity underlying phenomena (dharmadatu)." (VI, 7) Sharma, p. 112-113



 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] The benefit of enlightenment

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Two words: prove it. 


If you cannot, then I don't see how this is anything other than yet another 
elitist claim. 


And it's the *same* claim, whether it's you saying it or Maharishi, and can be 
accurately synopsized as "Enlightenment is better, and you have to take my word 
on it, because...uh...I am enlightened, and you HAVE to take the word of 
enlightened people about such things, because they are...uh...better."  :-)


A thinking person would be tempted to look at what you write here and say, "Now 
wait just a minute...this person is claiming to be enlightened, and defining 
that as being so 'established in silence' that everything in his life 'works to 
fulfill his desires.' If that is so, then why does he feel the need to put down 
someone who doesn't care to become what he claims to be, and suggest that they 
are 'moronic' and have 'lost their way?' Which of your desires is not being 
fulfilled by this other person's decision? It's almost as if you are saying, 
'Everyone HAS to look up to me and want to be like me...anything less is a 
waste of life.' That sounds like more like narcissistic psychosis to me than it 
does 'enlightenment.'" 





 From: "fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:48 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The benefit of enlightenment
 


  
Aside from the moronic statements made on here, that enlightenment is no 
different or better, than any other state of consciousness, I thought I would 
address the practical benefit of enlightenment.

Basically being established in silence, means a greater synchrony with life, 
with all that exists. The silence within, though it may initially feel 
personal, is not. It is the silence that pervades everything. Hence, if we have 
that established Being within ourselves, life is ours - no need to pine or 
become bitter about unfulfilled expectations or desires. All is for the taking, 
after silence is established. The whole of life works to fulfill our desires, 
once this state is reached.

This is the benefit - This is the benefit, that dawns, once silence is 
established. Before that, there is a fundamental disconnect, between the 
individual desires, and the desires of life, itself. Afterwards, the bounty we 
receive is overwhelming. 

Those who assert that enlightenment is no better or worse than anything else, 
have lost their way, and receive neither the benefits of enlightenment, nor of 
their own, desperate, state. It is a sad thing that some have become so 
despondent in their quest for enlightenment, that they give up, declaring it 
all a charade. There is no work so fulfilling, as to prepare ourselves for our 
liberation, and then to live it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Vigilantes

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Oh, I don't know, I suppose "decent" is as good a term as any. Just not 
"special." Better than most of the posters on FFL. But he's a hack writer, not 
an artist.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Oh, okay, thank you for making that distinction.  I guess what is unsaid is 
that you must feel that he is a decent writer.  I'd say that he is quite a good 
writer myself. I may disagree with some of the conclusions he comes up with, 
but as far his writing, I think it's pretty good.  And of course, I guess, so 
does the "marketplace"
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Oh, well, no, I haven't, actually. I've done that very rarely. What an 
imagination you have! I have said I think his writing skills mask his lack of 
depth, but that's a criticism of his thinking ability, not his writing ability. 

 He has certainly many times asserted that I can't write. Which is fine; I'm an 
editor, I don't pretend to be a writer. I'm able to express myself here to my 
own satisfaction. But he believes editing is an unskilled profession that I 
should be ashamed of, much to my amusement.
 

 No doubt he'll weigh in overnight at some length on this.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well, Barry is a writer by profession, and you have many times taken issue 
with his writing abilities as demonstrated here.  That is what I was referring 
to in regards to that. 

 But there is a difference in saying that so and so's writing lacks creativity, 
and some of very personal attacks we sometimes see here.
 

 For me, there is a difference.  For others, perhaps not.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Barry has demeaned my livelihood many times. I can't recall ever demeaning 
his. 

 And how is this not what you're referring to?
 

 (BTW, do you know who Squeaky Fromme was?)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Sure, calling people names is just juvenile.* 

 Coming after one's family, or demeaning one's livelihood**, is, in my opinion 
way out of bounds. 
 

 * For the record, I would never be insulted if someone called me Squeaky 
Fromme. (-: 
 

 ** Yes, we see it with Barry sometimes doing it with Judy and vice-versa to 
some extent.  But that is not what I am referring to.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 I have been called the following things by Bawee:

 a cultist
 a bitch
 Squeaky Fromme
 a stalker
 dumb as a bag of hammers
 ugly
 fat
 a cunt
 too rich
 spoiled
 Judy's minion
 That's all I can remember for the moment...
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] The benefit of enlightenment

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Doc, the weird thing is, I actually think you and turq are very similar in that 
your individual desires seem, from what you both report about your respective 
lives, aligned with the desires of life LOL!

Doc  
On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 8:48 AM, "fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
 


  
Aside from the moronic statements made on here, that enlightenment is no 
different or better, than any other state of consciousness, I thought I would 
address the practical benefit of enlightenment.

Basically being established in silence, means a greater synchrony with life, 
with all that exists. The silence within, though it may initially feel 
personal, is not. It is the silence that pervades everything. Hence, if we have 
that established Being within ourselves, life is ours - no need to pine or 
become bitter about unfulfilled expectations or desires. All is for the taking, 
after silence is established. The whole of life works to fulfill our desires, 
once this state is reached.

This is the benefit - This is the benefit, that dawns, once silence is 
established. Before that, there is a fundamental disconnect, between the 
individual desires, and the desires of life, itself. Afterwards, the bounty we 
receive is overwhelming. 

Those who assert that enlightenment is no better or worse than anything else, 
have lost their way, and receive neither the benefits of enlightenment, nor of 
their own, desperate, state. It is a sad thing that some have become so 
despondent in their quest for enlightenment, that they give up, declaring it 
all a charade. There is no work so fulfilling, as to prepare ourselves for our 
liberation, and then to live it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Ultimate Heresy

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Even though Anartaxius' post was directed to the Jim-bot, I'll reply just for 
fun, as if it had been directed to me.  :-)


From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:36 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Ultimate Heresy
 


  
I disagree with Barry that enlightenment is 'just another state of attention'. 
However he has specified more or less what he considers it to be. But what is 
the benchmark or character of enlightenment from your perspective? 


I don't consider there to be one, largely because I don't believe there is an 
"end point" at which the growth and change of subjective experience stops. I 
know people who had what TMers consider a benchmark -- not just 24/7 
"witnessing" but 24/7 clear experience of samadhi -- for ten years or more and 
then had it go away, or morph into something else. 


For example, if you were to describe your experiences from the time of learning 
meditation, how your experience changed as a result, how your experiences 
evolved over time, and what they are like now, we at FFL would have a better 
idea where you are coming from. And don't pull you cannot tell the ignorant 
card, because it really does not matter. Those 'in the know' will get what you 
say, and those not in the know will understand it from their perspective. 


Some might "get" or "catch a vibe" from the experiences I have had, because 
they had similar experiences. Others, not so much, even though they may have 
had other, or longer experiences. It really serves no purpose to describe mine, 
because of the mistake you make below [with regard to me].


Because you have said you are enlightened, tell us about it. 


I have never once said this. I have had experiences that "map" to classical 
descriptions of enlightenment, but I have never and will never claim to be 
enlightened. 


Clue us clueless in. Maharishi spent some 50 years describing all these states 
to us. Now it is your turn. If there is something we do not understand, we can 
query, and then you can elaborate.

It would serve no purpose. First, I do not and have never claimed to be 
enlightened. Second, whatever experiences I've had were *mine*, and I would not 
presume that anyone else would have a desire or need to replicate them. Third, 
I would say that all the talking about enlightenment that Maharishi and all 
other spiritual teachers throughout history combined never accomplished a damn 
thing, nor enabled a single person to realize it themselves. 


Now, morning coffee, and off to work, back at the end of the day.

By the way everybody who has heard the word enlightenment knows something about 
it, if only the word; that is the first step, thinking that such a thing might 
exist. 

And the first step towards ignorance, as you [Anartaxius] yourself have pointed 
out many times. The more they think they "know" *about* enlightenment, and the 
more attached they are to what they think they "know," the less likely IMO they 
will be to ever experience it themselves. 

Barry knows a lot about what Maharishi said about enlightenment though he is in 
disagreement about what Maharishi said, so I think it would be more productive 
to elaborate on your knowledge rather than use the ad hominem attack to dispute 
his view. Barry's alleged ignorance does not invalidate his view. A totally 
ignorant man, saying exactly what Maharishi said, were this line of attack 
valid, would prove that what Maharishi said is false, conversely, if this line 
of reasoning were valid, a totally enlightened man, mouthing Barry's words, 
would prove that what Barry said is true.

What is wrong, specifically, with Barry's thoughts here, and what is the 
correct view?

[ I simply can't wait for the humble Jim-bot to try to tell us what the 
"correct" view is. :-) ]


For example, I think the mind and nervous system have various states of 
attention, that shift throughout the day and that none of these including, say, 
TC, and CC, and drinking a glass of wine, constitute enlightenment. Rather 
enlightenment refers to an understanding the mind has about the nature of 
experience in its totality, rather than being a specific kind of experience. In 
other words 'experiences' as differentiated from one another is not the 
criterion for enlightenment, it is how all these experiences fit together that 
constitutes enlightenment, and an understanding whether or not that is somehow 
different from what anybody at all experiences day to day.

As you said at the beginning, Xeno, we agree to disagree about this. I believe 
that what most have called enlightenment very much IS Just Another State Of 
Attention, and on no "higher" or "better" plane than any other state of 
attention. The question of whether what a person claiming to be "enlightened" 
is *different* that what other people experience is a non-issue. I would 
contend that what EVERY human being experiences is different from what EVERY 
OTHER human 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ultimate Heresy

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 When trying to identify the thing that people who have devoted much of their 
lives to the pursuit of enlightenment would consider "most heretical" or so 
WRONG as to be unimaginable, one really doesn't have to go far to find it. 

It's NOT that "Enlightenment doesn't exist." It's that "Enlightenment is Just 
Another State of Attention, no 'higher,' 'better,' or 'more evolved' than any 
other."

And that's what I actually believe. I do not and cannot proclaim that the 
subjective experiences that people over the ages have experienced and called 
"enlightenment" don't exist. I can't do that because I've experienced many of 
them. What I challenge is that they are in any way more "special" than any 
other experience. 

This simply "does not compute" for people who have devoted/wasted most of their 
lives to becoming "special," as they were promised they would be when/if they 
realize their enlightenment. They have been promised that they would be able to 
"know" things that others do not, to be "perfect" in the sense that they will 
be completely "in tune with the Laws Of Nature" and as a result incapable of 
wrong action, and many other magical things. Some on this forum actually 
believe that when/if they become fully enlightened, they will be immortal, free 
from physical death. 

There are more myths that surround the subjective experience of "enlightened 
states" than you can shake a vajra at, and people who in other circumstances 
could easily pass as intelligent seem incapable of NOT believing in them as not 
only true, but Truth. They actually CAN'T conceive of becoming enlightened and 
NOT being "special." 

I disagree. I don't think that the subjective experiences that people have 
described in the past have anything whatsoever to do with the various myths 
that have been created around them. They're just experiences, no better or 
worse than any other experiences. It's just that the people who had them wanted 
others to *believe* that they were "special," so they made up all the myths to 
make it seem so, and promoted them. 

It's understandable that they would do so, because after all in most societies 
on planet Earth, claiming to he enlightened is a Great Gig. If you can claim it 
and find people who believe in all of the myths, you can get away with almost 
ANYTHING. You can get people to pay just to see you, believing that by doing so 
they'll soak up some of your "darshan" or "shakti." You can get them to 
overlook any of your mistakes or actual misdoings, because they've been 
brainwashed into thinking that no one enlightened could possibly make a mistake 
or do wrong. Best, you can get them to listen to you as if what you say was 
"more true" or "more valuable" than what anyone else says. 

I believe none of this has any basis in fact. Therefore I treat anyone claiming 
to be enlightened the same way I treat anyone else, because in my view they ARE 
just like everyone else. There is *nothing* "special" about people experiencing 
enlightened states of mind. They're experiencing Just Another State Of 
Attention, that's all, no more "special" than any other, and certainly no more 
valuable than any other. I can state this with no rancor and no feelings of 
"superiority" because I actually believe it's true, based on observation and my 
own subjective experiences. 

But say this to someone who believes firmly in the "the enlightened are 
special" model and you can almost see them bristle visually. You can tell that 
for them it's almost worse than someone saying that God doesn't exist. Some of 
the True Believers, truth be told, would probably *prefer* that God not exist 
than abandon their beliefs that when they become enlightened they'll be 
"special." 

Their loss. There is a certain joy in being ordinary, and believing that one 
will remain ordinary no matter what subjective states of attention one 
experiences. It's called humility, and that's something that no one who 
believes in the "the enlightened are special" myth will ever be able to 
comprehend. 


Xeno asks:
 

 "What is wrong, specifically, with Barry's thoughts here, and what is the 
correct view?"
 

 Nothing is "wrong" beyond the fact that it is all conjecture based on nothing 
but, well, conjecture. Add to that the usual dismissive and condescending tone 
of the entire post from a guy who continually claims to "pity" those who don't 
see things the way he does. Beyond the content of most of bawee's posts here at 
FFL lies something that speaks louder than his ideas - and that is the tone of 
the stuff he sends here for all of us to read. He makes sweeping ultimate 
statements that identify him as a very stuck-in-the-mud/mindset person 
apparently unwilling to consider other viewpoints than his own. A couple of 
examples I have highlighted in pink. The only "correct" view, Xeno, is the one 
that remains open to new understanding and open investigation. There is a 
reality ou

[FairfieldLife] The benefit of enlightenment

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Aside from the moronic statements made on here, that enlightenment is no 
different or better, than any other state of consciousness, I thought I would 
address the practical benefit of enlightenment.
 

 Basically being established in silence, means a greater synchrony with life, 
with all that exists. The silence within, though it may initially feel 
personal, is not. It is the silence that pervades everything. Hence, if we have 
that established Being within ourselves, life is ours - no need to pine or 
become bitter about unfulfilled expectations or desires. All is for the taking, 
after silence is established. The whole of life works to fulfill our desires, 
once this state is reached.
 

 This is the benefit - This is the benefit, that dawns, once silence is 
established. Before that, there is a fundamental disconnect, between the 
individual desires, and the desires of life, itself. Afterwards, the bounty we 
receive is overwhelming. 
 

 Those who assert that enlightenment is no better or worse than anything else, 
have lost their way, and receive neither the benefits of enlightenment, nor of 
their own, desperate, state. It is a sad thing that some have become so 
despondent in their quest for enlightenment, that they give up, declaring it 
all a charade. There is no work so fulfilling, as to prepare ourselves for our 
liberation, and then to live it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ultimate Heresy

[inmadi...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

A long winded stawman argument . . . that others are idolizing one state of 
attention over another state is in your own head.   For example, if you go to 
the doctor 50 lbs over weight and a smoker, your doctor may recommend 'a 
different state of attention', whether you want to make a change or not is up 
to you.  

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ultimate Heresy

[anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I disagree with Barry that enlightenment is 'just another state of attention'. 
However he has specified more or less what he considers it to be. But what is 
the benchmark or character of enlightenment from your perspective? For example, 
if you were to describe your experiences from the time of learning meditation, 
how your experience changed as a result, how your experiences evolved over 
time, and what they are like now, we at FFL would have a better idea where you 
are coming from. And don't pull you cannot tell the ignorant card, because it 
really does not matter. Those 'in the know' will get what you say, and those 
not in the know will understand it from their perspective. Because you have 
said you are enlightened, tell us about it. Clue us clueless in. Maharishi 
spent some 50 years describing all these states to us. Now it is your turn. If 
there is something we do not understand, we can query, and then you can 
elaborate. 

 Now, morning coffee, and off to work, back at the end of the day.
 

 By the way everybody who has heard the word enlightenment knows something 
about it, if only the word; that is the first step, thinking that such a thing 
might exist. Barry knows a lot about what Maharishi said about enlightenment 
though he is in disagreement about what Maharishi said, so I think it would be 
more productive to elaborate on your knowledge rather than use the ad hominem 
attack to dispute his view. Barry's alleged ignorance does not invalidate his 
view. A totally ignorant man, saying exactly what Maharishi said, were this 
line of attack valid, would prove that what Maharishi said is false, 
conversely, if this line of reasoning were valid, a totally enlightened man, 
mouthing Barry's words, would prove that what Barry said is true.
 

 What is wrong, specifically, with Barry's thoughts here, and what is the 
correct view?
 

 For example, I think the mind and nervous system have various states of 
attention, that shift throughout the day and that none of these including, say, 
TC, and CC, and drinking a glass of wine, constitute enlightenment. Rather 
enlightenment refers to an understanding the mind has about the nature of 
experience in its totality, rather than being a specific kind of experience. In 
other words 'experiences' as differentiated from one another is not the 
criterion for enlightenment, it is how all these experiences fit together that 
constitutes enlightenment, and an understanding whether or not that is somehow 
different from what anybody at all experiences day to day.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's NOT that "Enlightenment doesn't exist." It's that "Enlightenment is Just 
Another State of Attention, no 'higher,' 'better,' or 'more evolved' than any 
other." 

 More bombastic crap, from Mr. I Witnessed For Two Weeks, Once. You know 
Absolutely Nothing about Enlightenment, Barry. Your stupid remark that it is 
just another state of attention, is a fantasy, and similar to making the remark 
that whether you have a dollar, or ten thousand dollars, in your wallet, "Both 
are still money". 
 

 Write about something you know something about, like your damned TV shows, but 
stay away from Enlightenment, please, as you are embarrassingly CLUELESS.
 

 Oh, and we've heard this little diatribe about ten times, so not are you 
unintelligent, you are boring and repetitive, also.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 When trying to identify the thing that people who have devoted much of their 
lives to the pursuit of enlightenment would consider "most heretical" or so 
WRONG as to be unimaginable, one really doesn't have to go far to find it. 

It's NOT that "Enlightenment doesn't exist." It's that "Enlightenment is Just 
Another State of Attention, no 'higher,' 'better,' or 'more evolved' than any 
other." 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ultimate Heresy

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

It's NOT that "Enlightenment doesn't exist." It's that "Enlightenment is Just 
Another State of Attention, no 'higher,' 'better,' or 'more evolved' than any 
other." 

 More bombastic crap, from Mr. I Witnessed For Two Weeks, Once. You know 
Absolutely Nothing about Enlightenment, Barry. Your stupid remark that it is 
just another state of attention, is a fantasy, and similar to making the remark 
that whether you have a dollar, or ten thousand dollars, in your wallet, "Both 
are still money". 
 

 Write about something you know something about, like your damned TV shows, but 
stay away from Enlightenment, please, as you are embarrassingly CLUELESS.
 

 Oh, and we've heard this little diatribe about ten times, so not are you 
unintelligent, you are boring and repetitive, also.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 When trying to identify the thing that people who have devoted much of their 
lives to the pursuit of enlightenment would consider "most heretical" or so 
WRONG as to be unimaginable, one really doesn't have to go far to find it. 

It's NOT that "Enlightenment doesn't exist." It's that "Enlightenment is Just 
Another State of Attention, no 'higher,' 'better,' or 'more evolved' than any 
other." 

[FairfieldLife] Win a Full Scholarship to the David Lynch MA in Film

[nablusoss1008]

The David Lynch MA in Film at Maharishi University of Management has launched a 
film competition for a full scholarship for the 2014-2015 school year.
 

 Win a Full Scholarship to the David Lynch MA in Film 
http://filmschool.mum.edu/blog/win-a-full-scholarship-to-the-david-lynch-ma-in-film/
 
 
 
http://filmschool.mum.edu/blog/win-a-full-scholarship-to-the-david-lynch-ma-in-film/
 
 
 Win a Full Scholarship to the David Lynch MA in Film 
http://filmschool.mum.edu/blog/win-a-full-scholarship-to-the-david-lynch-ma-in-film/
 The David Lynch MA in Film at Maharishi University of Management has launched 
a film competition for a full scholarship for the 2014-2015 school
 
 
 
 View on filmschool.mum.edu 
http://filmschool.mum.edu/blog/win-a-full-scholarship-to-the-david-lynch-ma-in-film/
 
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[FairfieldLife] Timeless Journey (Traveling with Maharishi)

[nablusoss1008]

http://kenchawkin.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/jyotir-math.jpgThis is the seat 
of the Shankaracharya of Jyothir Math high in the Himalayas in India, where 
Maharishi studied with his teacher, Guru Dev, from 1940 to 1953. Sali Peden was 
fortunate to have traveled back to Uttar Kashi with Maharishi and a small group 
of people. 
 Sally describes her journey "To Jyotir Math" with Maharishi and scientists who 
met to tell the Shankaracharya about the dawning of a new age 
http://theuncarvedblog.com/2010/04/17/sally-describes-her-journey-to-jyotir-math-with-maharishi-and-scientists-who-meet-and-tell-the-shankaracharya-about-the-dawning-of-a-new-age/
 Timeless Journey (Traveling with Maharishi) 
http://theuncarvedblog.com/2009/10/02/traveling-with-maharishi/

[FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Heresy

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

When trying to identify the thing that people who have devoted much of their 
lives to the pursuit of enlightenment would consider "most heretical" or so 
WRONG as to be unimaginable, one really doesn't have to go far to find it. 

It's NOT that "Enlightenment doesn't exist." It's that "Enlightenment is Just 
Another State of Attention, no 'higher,' 'better,' or 'more evolved' than any 
other."

And that's what I actually believe. I do not and cannot proclaim that the 
subjective experiences that people over the ages have experienced and called 
"enlightenment" don't exist. I can't do that because I've experienced many of 
them. What I challenge is that they are in any way more "special" than any 
other experience. 

This simply "does not compute" for people who have devoted/wasted most of their 
lives to becoming "special," as they were promised they would be when/if they 
realize their enlightenment. They have been promised that they would be able to 
"know" things that others do not, to be "perfect" in the sense that they will 
be completely "in tune with the Laws Of Nature" and as a result incapable of 
wrong action, and many other magical things. Some on this forum actually 
believe that when/if they become fully enlightened, they will be immortal, free 
from physical death. 

There are more myths that surround the subjective experience of "enlightened 
states" than you can shake a vajra at, and people who in other circumstances 
could easily pass as intelligent seem incapable of NOT believing in them as not 
only true, but Truth. They actually CAN'T conceive of becoming enlightened and 
NOT being "special." 

I disagree. I don't think that the subjective experiences that people have 
described in the past have anything whatsoever to do with the various myths 
that have been created around them. They're just experiences, no better or 
worse than any other experiences. It's just that the people who had them wanted 
others to *believe* that they were "special," so they made up all the myths to 
make it seem so, and promoted them. 

It's understandable that they would do so, because after all in most societies 
on planet Earth, claiming to he enlightened is a Great Gig. If you can claim it 
and find people who believe in all of the myths, you can get away with almost 
ANYTHING. You can get people to pay just to see you, believing that by doing so 
they'll soak up some of your "darshan" or "shakti." You can get them to 
overlook any of your mistakes or actual misdoings, because they've been 
brainwashed into thinking that no one enlightened could possibly make a mistake 
or do wrong. Best, you can get them to listen to you as if what you say was 
"more true" or "more valuable" than what anyone else says. 

I believe none of this has any basis in fact. Therefore I treat anyone claiming 
to be enlightened the same way I treat anyone else, because in my view they ARE 
just like everyone else. There is *nothing* "special" about people experiencing 
enlightened states of mind. They're experiencing Just Another State Of 
Attention, that's all, no more "special" than any other, and certainly no more 
valuable than any other. I can state this with no rancor and no feelings of 
"superiority" because I actually believe it's true, based on observation and my 
own subjective experiences. 

But say this to someone who believes firmly in the "the enlightened are 
special" model and you can almost see them bristle visually. You can tell that 
for them it's almost worse than someone saying that God doesn't exist. Some of 
the True Believers, truth be told, would probably *prefer* that God not exist 
than abandon their beliefs that when they become enlightened they'll be 
"special." 

Their loss. There is a certain joy in being ordinary, and believing that one 
will remain ordinary no matter what subjective states of attention one 
experiences. It's called humility, and that's something that no one who 
believes in the "the enlightened are special" myth will ever be able to 
comprehend.