[FairfieldLife] To prevent illness, we need to focus on our lifestyles – not just our genes
To prevent illness, we need to focus on our lifestyles – not just our genes | Deepak Chopra Rudolphe E Tanzi http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/04/prevent-illness-lifestyle-genes http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/04/prevent-illness-lifestyle-genes To prevent illness, we need to focus on our lifestyles –... http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/04/prevent-illness-lifestyle-genes Some treatments hold much promise, but they pale in the face of the realization that everyday li... http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/04/prevent-illness-lifestyle-genes Preview by Yahoo Some treatments hold much promise, but they pale in the face of the realization that everyday life choices are altering gene activity all the time Individual within meditation class [Breathe in good health; breathe out disease. Sort of. Photograph: Dougal Waters/Getty Images] Deepak Chopra and Rudolphe E Tanzi Tuesday 4 August 2015 04.30 EDT Last modified on Tuesday 4 August 2015 06.16 EDT Much of the current research on treating disease and staying healthy has focused on our genetic makeup – from the Human Genome project, completed in 2003, to the newer field of epigenetics, which puts our 23,000 genes into the context of the chemical reactions that influence their activities. Though these are crucial areas of study, scientists are continually forced to confront how much human health is not dependent on our genetics. The original optimism about the potential of genetics has been dampened by the immense challenges of translating gene findings into drug discovery as well as a gross underestimation of the role of lifestyle on disease risk. Geneticists did not –and many still do not – fully appreciate the dynamic manner in which our genes interact with each other and our lifestyles, down to the level of our cells, eavesdropping on activities everywhere in the body and responding, often instantaneously, to a person’s experiences. Whereas the genes you were born with will never change during your lifetime (except in a few cells here and there), the activity of those genes – generating hundreds of thousands of complex proteins inside the cell – is extremely fluid and responsive to what you are experiencing every day, from the food you eat to the daily concerns that are causing you emotional stress. The human body is like an orchestra of genetic players; streams of “notes” enter and leave all 100tn cells in the body, and the determination as to whether the melodies go up or down, increase or decrease in volume and blend or clash with one another can be traced to chemical modifications of our DNA and the protein sheath that surrounds and cushions the double helix. Specific genetic-guided treatments hold much promise, but they pale in the face of the realization that everyday life choices are altering gene activity all the time. Lifestyle choices can have profound genetic effects on health and risk for disease. These are summarized in our upcoming book, Super Genes (November, 2015). A clutch of studies, for example, points to the major effect that meditation has on genetic activity. We have observed in our own intervention trials employing meditation that hundreds of genes and proteins are positively influenced, including telomerase, a protein widely believed to hold an important key to the aging process. Moreover, these beneficial effects were not observed only among lifelong dedicated meditators. One study we helped conduct with the Self-Directed Biological Transformation Initiative observed results in new meditators within a few days of starting the practice. These exciting new findings are currently being prepared for submission to peer-reviewed medical journals. So what kind of lifestyle would your genes want you to maintain? Most of the individual recommendations fall in line with a standard model of healthy living, such as moderate weight, regular exercise, good sleep and a balanced diet. But two other things are new and hold enormous promise. The first is to prioritize your lifestyle choices in order to take advantage of what has the most benefit. Based on studies of rodents, diet, exercise and stress reduction head the list of activities that directly affect your gene activity, for better or for worse. Second, genes and their biological interactions can be traced much farther back in time than anyone previously suspected. Late-life disorders like most cancers, diabetes and Alzheimer’s disease are now thought to begin with epigenetic changes early in life, perhaps as early as childhood. In medicine, what comes earliest is usually easiest to treat, as opposed to the full-blown disorder. Therefore, treating cancer and Alzheimer’s through simpler, earlier interventions prior to symptoms could be the answer everyone has been searching for. The promise of stopping all major diseases based on simply
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
Yep, cellphone format does seem to make for 'compactness'. Sorry geezer, sometimes I just calls it likes I sees it from the saddle on the move. As a platform for typing using cellphones from the back of a horse don't work too good where condensed can become dense in medium. -JaiGuruYou geezerfreak@ wrote : Seriously man, I get a headache trying to untangle your tortured prose. Do you actually speak like this? If not, try writing like you speak. Anything would be better. y...@yahoo.com wrote : In looking, it seems times are changed noticeably from during the 1990’s and the 2000’s where organizations of the maha-saints and spiritual teachers were often fleshed out by TM’ers/ the TM community. Altruistic TM’ers seemed to have had the ready know-how in training and and experience in volunteering to help 'make' gurus and spiritual movements then. s/Mothers, chopra, Shri-Shri, Meera and others. It often used to be that the people up front in these spiritual organizations were of old TM. Now in looking it is fairly evident that others have come along in to being the organizing workhorses of different spiritual movements. You see many fewer TM’ers up front running things at events or in the crowd or on the organizing committees. Other folks coming along of more of a middle-age demographic now do more of the facilitating of the spiritual movements and tours. Also compared to earlier times some of the groups now have a more solid showing of the Indo-American community culturally showing up and running things in a way that was not there so long ago. And there a is now a smattering of spiritually lit millennials in the crowds. Times change. -JaiGuruYou Well, met several old TM’ers at these meditations too. Found an old TM teacher from San Francisco who was at MIU in Santa Barbara meditating here too. These are long meditations that draw serious meditators to this retreat. Lot of people and a lot of different paths. New Jersey is far enough rom Iowa that there are not so many Fairfield meditators that traveled here. Not like last month in Chicago where there were a few hundred Fairfield meditators at Ammachi’s meetings or earlier in the year when Fairfield traveled to be with Mother Meera. Geezer writes: I dunno man, that sounds WAY off the program and hardly Dome-worthy! Went to a Guru Purnima group silent meditation in suburban NJ the other evening –Summit, Shorthills, Maplewood, Chatam area. Gathering of people from a couple different yoga studios for an evening meditation as a group. Eclectic gathering of different mature meditator folks for a nice group silent meditation. Really nice field effect in an amalgam of some Gurumayi meditators, chopra meditators, oprah, Quaker, centering, Buddhist, meditators, and a couple people who learned meditation in recent times through TM center in the NJ area. Ecumenical silent meditation together in a room for a long meditation one evening after the workday. Also Looking in now on a guru Purnima meditation retreat hosted by Karunamayi also in NJ just across from NYC. About 400 practiced meditators from New England and Canada with some coming from the West also. Mature eclectic demographic of practiced meditators for a several day retreat practicing in long silent meditations as a group. .. it's a nice cultivated spiritual group effect. Demographics of both these groups meetings are middle-aged and at least middle-class. Not many millennials to see in the group though the meditation retreat does cost money and afforded some time including a weekday workday to go to, but are not many millennials to be seen. Both groups age-wise were generally younger (middle-age) than what we more commonly see in our Fairfield meetings of older greying baby-boom meditators. -JaiGuruYou
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I actually like geezer's recent posts, although I do not have time to comment on them at the moment, other than to say that they were well argued and lacking in venom. I understand what he is saying. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak@... wrote : More tomorrow but WTF? I didn't write Fair enougj' below. Who did? Now, about the same old group you say I know about. I kind of know who posts. Do I know who lurks? No. And lurking reporters'? What?? But you know the audience at FFL and they are just the same old group less a few who have either retired voluntarily or have been shown the door. There are no lurking reporters, Geeze. Fair enougj
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
And, the movement hosted a Guru Purnima too in Fairfield. In looking, it seems times are changed noticeably from during the 1990’s and the 2000’s where organizations of the maha-saints and spiritual teachers were often fleshed out by TM’ers/ the TM community. Altruistic TM’ers seemed to have had the ready know-how in training and and experience in volunteering to help 'make' gurus and spiritual movements then. s/Mothers, chopra, Shri-Shri, Meera and others. It often used to be that the people up front in these spiritual organizations were of old TM. Now in looking it is fairly evident that others have come along in to being the organizing workhorses of different spiritual movements. You see many fewer TM’ers up front running things at events or in the crowd or on the organizing committees. Other folks coming along of more of a middle-age demographic now do more of the facilitating of the spiritual movements and tours. Also compared to earlier times some of the groups now have a more solid showing of the Indo-American community culturally showing up and running things in a way that was not there so long ago. And there a is now a smattering of spiritually lit millennials in the crowds. Times change. -JaiGuruYou Well, met several old TM’ers at these meditations too. Found an old TM teacher from San Francisco who was at MIU in Santa Barbara meditating here too. These are long meditations that draw serious meditators to this retreat. Lot of people and a lot of different paths. New Jersey is far enough rom Iowa that there are not so many Fairfield meditators that traveled here. Not like last month in Chicago where there were a few hundred Fairfield meditators at Ammachi’s meetings or earlier in the year when Fairfield traveled to be with Mother Meera. Geezer writes: I dunno man, that sounds WAY off the program and hardly Dome-worthy! Went to a Guru Purnima group silent meditation in suburban NJ the other evening –Summit, Shorthills, Maplewood, Chatam area. Gathering of people from a couple different yoga studios for an evening meditation as a group. Eclectic gathering of different mature meditator folks for a nice group silent meditation. Really nice field effect in an amalgam of some Gurumayi meditators, chopra meditators, oprah, Quaker, centering, Buddhist, meditators, and a couple people who learned meditation in recent times through TM center in the NJ area. Ecumenical silent meditation together in a room for a long meditation one evening after the workday. Also Looking in now on a guru Purnima meditation retreat hosted by Karunamayi also in NJ just across from NYC. About 400 practiced meditators from New England and Canada with some coming from the West also. Mature eclectic demographic of practiced meditators for a several day retreat practicing in long silent meditations as a group. .. it's a nice cultivated spiritual group effect. Demographics of both these groups meetings are middle-aged and at least middle-class. Not many millennials to see in the group though the meditation retreat does cost money and afforded some time including a weekday workday to go to, but are not many millennials to be seen. Both groups age-wise were generally younger (middle-age) than what we more commonly see in our Fairfield meetings of older greying baby-boom meditators. -JaiGuruYou
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
The post in question (Doug's) looks perfectly clear to me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yep, cellphone format does seem to make for 'compactness'. Sorry geezer, sometimes I just calls it likes I sees it from the saddle on the move. As a platform for typing using cellphones from the back of a horse don't work too good where condensed can become dense in medium. -JaiGuruYou geezerfreak@ wrote : Seriously man, I get a headache trying to untangle your tortured prose. Do you actually speak like this? If not, try writing like you speak. Anything would be better. y2k5@... wrote : In looking, it seems times are changed noticeably from during the 1990’s and the 2000’s where organizations of the maha-saints and spiritual teachers were often fleshed out by TM’ers/ the TM community. Altruistic TM’ers seemed to have had the ready know-how in training and and experience in volunteering to help 'make' gurus and spiritual movements then. s/Mothers, chopra, Shri-Shri, Meera and others. It often used to be that the people up front in these spiritual organizations were of old TM. Now in looking it is fairly evident that others have come along in to being the organizing workhorses of different spiritual movements. You see many fewer TM’ers up front running things at events or in the crowd or on the organizing committees. Other folks coming along of more of a middle-age demographic now do more of the facilitating of the spiritual movements and tours. Also compared to earlier times some of the groups now have a more solid showing of the Indo-American community culturally showing up and running things in a way that was not there so long ago. And there a is now a smattering of spiritually lit millennials in the crowds. Times change. -JaiGuruYou Well, met several old TM’ers at these meditations too. Found an old TM teacher from San Francisco who was at MIU in Santa Barbara meditating here too. These are long meditations that draw serious meditators to this retreat. Lot of people and a lot of different paths. New Jersey is far enough rom Iowa that there are not so many Fairfield meditators that traveled here. Not like last month in Chicago where there were a few hundred Fairfield meditators at Ammachi’s meetings or earlier in the year when Fairfield traveled to be with Mother Meera. Geezer writes: I dunno man, that sounds WAY off the program and hardly Dome-worthy! Went to a Guru Purnima group silent meditation in suburban NJ the other evening –Summit, Shorthills, Maplewood, Chatam area. Gathering of people from a couple different yoga studios for an evening meditation as a group. Eclectic gathering of different mature meditator folks for a nice group silent meditation. Really nice field effect in an amalgam of some Gurumayi meditators, chopra meditators, oprah, Quaker, centering, Buddhist, meditators, and a couple people who learned meditation in recent times through TM center in the NJ area. Ecumenical silent meditation together in a room for a long meditation one evening after the workday. Also Looking in now on a guru Purnima meditation retreat hosted by Karunamayi also in NJ just across from NYC. About 400 practiced meditators from New England and Canada with some coming from the West also. Mature eclectic demographic of practiced meditators for a several day retreat practicing in long silent meditations as a group. .. it's a nice cultivated spiritual group effect. Demographics of both these groups meetings are middle-aged and at least middle-class. Not many millennials to see in the group though the meditation retreat does cost money and afforded some time including a weekday workday to go to, but are not many millennials to be seen. Both groups age-wise were generally younger (middle-age) than what we more commonly see in our Fairfield meetings of older greying baby-boom meditators. -JaiGuruYou
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Yes, I also enjoy the different perspective, discussed without devolving into the venom, as you say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I actually like geezer's recent posts, although I do not have time to comment on them at the moment, other than to say that they were well argued and lacking in venom. I understand what he is saying. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak@... wrote : More tomorrow but WTF? I didn't write Fair enougj' below. Who did? Now, about the same old group you say I know about. I kind of know who posts. Do I know who lurks? No. And lurking reporters'? What?? But you know the audience at FFL and they are just the same old group less a few who have either retired voluntarily or have been shown the door. There are no lurking reporters, Geeze. Fair enougj
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak@... wrote : More tomorrow but WTF? I didn't write Fair enougj' below. Who did? Now, about the same old group you say I know about. I kind of know who posts. Do I know who lurks? No. And lurking reporters'? What?? Haha, I'm surprised you missed all that. Barry often referred to the lurking reporters in all seriousness at FFL when talking about why he wrote what he wrote and why he pushed people's buttons. It was all for the famous, secret, all-powerful and influential lurking reporters. Obviously, it has become the standing joke over here since then. I'm not sure of the Fair enougj but I think it might have been something I started to write at some point in my response to you and when I went back to highlight my text there it was but it didn't look like I would have written that there and didn't want to erase it in case you had posted that. Or maybe it's the FFL ghosts... But you know the audience at FFL and they are just the same old group less a few who have either retired voluntarily or have been shown the door. There are no lurking reporters, Geeze. Fair enougj
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yep, cellphone format does seem to make for 'compactness'. Sorry geezer, sometimes I just calls it likes I sees it from the saddle on the move. As a platform for typing using cellphones from the back of a horse don't work too good where condensed can become dense in medium. -JaiGuruYou Texting while riding - very dangerous. You never know when you'll step in a gopher hole or run into a large round bale. geezerfreak@ wrote : Seriously man, I get a headache trying to untangle your tortured prose. Do you actually speak like this? If not, try writing like you speak. Anything would be better. y2k5@... wrote : In looking, it seems times are changed noticeably from during the 1990’s and the 2000’s where organizations of the maha-saints and spiritual teachers were often fleshed out by TM’ers/ the TM community. Altruistic TM’ers seemed to have had the ready know-how in training and and experience in volunteering to help 'make' gurus and spiritual movements then. s/Mothers, chopra, Shri-Shri, Meera and others. It often used to be that the people up front in these spiritual organizations were of old TM. Now in looking it is fairly evident that others have come along in to being the organizing workhorses of different spiritual movements. You see many fewer TM’ers up front running things at events or in the crowd or on the organizing committees. Other folks coming along of more of a middle-age demographic now do more of the facilitating of the spiritual movements and tours. Also compared to earlier times some of the groups now have a more solid showing of the Indo-American community culturally showing up and running things in a way that was not there so long ago. And there a is now a smattering of spiritually lit millennials in the crowds. Times change. -JaiGuruYou Well, met several old TM’ers at these meditations too. Found an old TM teacher from San Francisco who was at MIU in Santa Barbara meditating here too. These are long meditations that draw serious meditators to this retreat. Lot of people and a lot of different paths. New Jersey is far enough rom Iowa that there are not so many Fairfield meditators that traveled here. Not like last month in Chicago where there were a few hundred Fairfield meditators at Ammachi’s meetings or earlier in the year when Fairfield traveled to be with Mother Meera. Geezer writes: I dunno man, that sounds WAY off the program and hardly Dome-worthy! Went to a Guru Purnima group silent meditation in suburban NJ the other evening –Summit, Shorthills, Maplewood, Chatam area. Gathering of people from a couple different yoga studios for an evening meditation as a group. Eclectic gathering of different mature meditator folks for a nice group silent meditation. Really nice field effect in an amalgam of some Gurumayi meditators, chopra meditators, oprah, Quaker, centering, Buddhist, meditators, and a couple people who learned meditation in recent times through TM center in the NJ area. Ecumenical silent meditation together in a room for a long meditation one evening after the workday. Also Looking in now on a guru Purnima meditation retreat hosted by Karunamayi also in NJ just across from NYC. About 400 practiced meditators from New England and Canada with some coming from the West also. Mature eclectic demographic of practiced meditators for a several day retreat practicing in long silent meditations as a group. .. it's a nice cultivated spiritual group effect. Demographics of both these groups meetings are middle-aged and at least middle-class. Not many millennials to see in the group though the meditation retreat does cost money and afforded some time including a weekday workday to go to, but are not many millennials to be seen. Both groups age-wise were generally younger (middle-age) than what we more commonly see in our Fairfield meetings of older greying baby-boom meditators. -JaiGuruYou
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I actually like geezer's recent posts, although I do not have time to comment on them at the moment, other than to say that they were well argued and lacking in venom. I understand what he is saying. The fact that he is taking the time to respond is characteristic of reasonableness to me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak@... wrote : More tomorrow but WTF? I didn't write Fair enougj' below. Who did? Now, about the same old group you say I know about. I kind of know who posts. Do I know who lurks? No. And lurking reporters'? What?? But you know the audience at FFL and they are just the same old group less a few who have either retired voluntarily or have been shown the door. There are no lurking reporters, Geeze. Fair enougj
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
Of course, I rather envision Doug riding at a more leisurely (as in slow) pace, maybe even enjoying a little pipe tobacco along the way. (-: Any Esperanza speakers here? (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yep, cellphone format does seem to make for 'compactness'. Sorry geezer, sometimes I just calls it likes I sees it from the saddle on the move. As a platform for typing using cellphones from the back of a horse don't work too good where condensed can become dense in medium. -JaiGuruYou Texting while riding - very dangerous. You never know when you'll step in a gopher hole or run into a large round bale. geezerfreak@ wrote : Seriously man, I get a headache trying to untangle your tortured prose. Do you actually speak like this? If not, try writing like you speak. Anything would be better. y2k5@... wrote : In looking, it seems times are changed noticeably from during the 1990’s and the 2000’s where organizations of the maha-saints and spiritual teachers were often fleshed out by TM’ers/ the TM community. Altruistic TM’ers seemed to have had the ready know-how in training and and experience in volunteering to help 'make' gurus and spiritual movements then. s/Mothers, chopra, Shri-Shri, Meera and others. It often used to be that the people up front in these spiritual organizations were of old TM. Now in looking it is fairly evident that others have come along in to being the organizing workhorses of different spiritual movements. You see many fewer TM’ers up front running things at events or in the crowd or on the organizing committees. Other folks coming along of more of a middle-age demographic now do more of the facilitating of the spiritual movements and tours. Also compared to earlier times some of the groups now have a more solid showing of the Indo-American community culturally showing up and running things in a way that was not there so long ago. And there a is now a smattering of spiritually lit millennials in the crowds. Times change. -JaiGuruYou Well, met several old TM’ers at these meditations too. Found an old TM teacher from San Francisco who was at MIU in Santa Barbara meditating here too. These are long meditations that draw serious meditators to this retreat. Lot of people and a lot of different paths. New Jersey is far enough rom Iowa that there are not so many Fairfield meditators that traveled here. Not like last month in Chicago where there were a few hundred Fairfield meditators at Ammachi’s meetings or earlier in the year when Fairfield traveled to be with Mother Meera. Geezer writes: I dunno man, that sounds WAY off the program and hardly Dome-worthy! Went to a Guru Purnima group silent meditation in suburban NJ the other evening –Summit, Shorthills, Maplewood, Chatam area. Gathering of people from a couple different yoga studios for an evening meditation as a group. Eclectic gathering of different mature meditator folks for a nice group silent meditation. Really nice field effect in an amalgam of some Gurumayi meditators, chopra meditators, oprah, Quaker, centering, Buddhist, meditators, and a couple people who learned meditation in recent times through TM center in the NJ area. Ecumenical silent meditation together in a room for a long meditation one evening after the workday. Also Looking in now on a guru Purnima meditation retreat hosted by Karunamayi also in NJ just across from NYC. About 400 practiced meditators from New England and Canada with some coming from the West also. Mature eclectic demographic of practiced meditators for a several day retreat practicing in long silent meditations as a group. .. it's a nice cultivated spiritual group effect. Demographics of both these groups meetings are middle-aged and at least middle-class. Not many millennials to see in the group though the meditation retreat does cost money and afforded some time including a weekday workday to go to, but are not many millennials to be seen. Both groups age-wise were generally younger (middle-age) than what we more commonly see in our Fairfield meetings of older greying baby-boom meditators. -JaiGuruYou
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
I hope we can keep it going. We don't have too many crossovers (-: Along those lines, do you think xeno has some chameleon dna inim? (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I actually like geezer's recent posts, although I do not have time to comment on them at the moment, other than to say that they were well argued and lacking in venom. I understand what he is saying. The fact that he is taking the time to respond is characteristic of reasonableness to me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak@... wrote : More tomorrow but WTF? I didn't write Fair enougj' below. Who did? Now, about the same old group you say I know about. I kind of know who posts. Do I know who lurks? No. And lurking reporters'? What?? But you know the audience at FFL and they are just the same old group less a few who have either retired voluntarily or have been shown the door. There are no lurking reporters, Geeze. Fair enougj
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
It may be dangerous out in the real world, where you live. But, Doug lives in proximity to hundreds of marauding pandits who provide a bubble of Support of Nature which prevents such things from happening. Additionally, his backup plan, i.e., his choice of Icelandic horses, means he's not all that far from the ground. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yep, cellphone format does seem to make for 'compactness'. Sorry geezer, sometimes I just calls it likes I sees it from the saddle on the move. As a platform for typing using cellphones from the back of a horse don't work too good where condensed can become dense in medium. -JaiGuruYou Texting while riding - very dangerous. You never know when you'll step in a gopher hole or run into a large round bale.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
I can exhale now. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : It may be dangerous out in the real world, where you live. But, Doug lives in proximity to hundreds of marauding pandits who provide a bubble of Support of Nature which prevents such things from happening. Additionally, his backup plan, i.e., his choice of Icelandic horses, means he's not all that far from the ground. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yep, cellphone format does seem to make for 'compactness'. Sorry geezer, sometimes I just calls it likes I sees it from the saddle on the move. As a platform for typing using cellphones from the back of a horse don't work too good where condensed can become dense in medium. -JaiGuruYou Texting while riding - very dangerous. You never know when you'll step in a gopher hole or run into a large round bale.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I hope we can keep it going. I'm enjoying the interaction with him. I welcome different opinions as long as they don't come with a side dish of offal. We don't have too many crossovers (-: Along those lines, do you think xeno has some chameleon dna inim? (-: I personally think he might be related to the little robot who met his demise in Philly last week. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I actually like geezer's recent posts, although I do not have time to comment on them at the moment, other than to say that they were well argued and lacking in venom. I understand what he is saying. The fact that he is taking the time to respond is characteristic of reasonableness to me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak@... wrote : More tomorrow but WTF? I didn't write Fair enougj' below. Who did? Now, about the same old group you say I know about. I kind of know who posts. Do I know who lurks? No. And lurking reporters'? What?? But you know the audience at FFL and they are just the same old group less a few who have either retired voluntarily or have been shown the door. There are no lurking reporters, Geeze. Fair enougj
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : It may be dangerous out in the real world, where you live. But, Doug lives in proximity to hundreds of marauding pandits who provide a bubble of Support of Nature which prevents such things from happening. Additionally, his backup plan, i.e., his choice of Icelandic horses, means he's not all that far from the ground. Funny you should say that about the Icelandics, I was thinking the exact same thing myself. I also received this photo sent anonymously to me from FF. It was taken after having drunk one too many sweet lassis during the recent Guru Purnima celebration. . ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yep, cellphone format does seem to make for 'compactness'. Sorry geezer, sometimes I just calls it likes I sees it from the saddle on the move. As a platform for typing using cellphones from the back of a horse don't work too good where condensed can become dense in medium. -JaiGuruYou Texting while riding - very dangerous. You never know when you'll step in a gopher hole or run into a large round bale.
[FairfieldLife] The Universe Could be Fake
Some scientists claim this to be true. But IMO they may be correct for entirely another reason. Specifically, our lives don't continue forever, our Sun will not shine forever, and the universe will someday disappear into photons of light. As such, is it possible for our consciousness or spirit to find an eternal abode in paradise? Are Humans Really Part Of A Game For Robots? Scientists Claim The Universe Could Be FAKE http://news.yahoo.com/are-humans-really-part-of-a-game-for-advanced-115946597.html http://news.yahoo.com/are-humans-really-part-of-a-game-for-advanced-115946597.html Are Humans Really Part Of A Game For Robots? Scientis... http://news.yahoo.com/are-humans-really-part-of-a-game-for-advanced-115946597.html Everything you know may just be part of a Matrix-style simulation, according to physicists who claim that we could all be part of a giant GAME. A new theory ha... View on news.yahoo.com http://news.yahoo.com/are-humans-really-part-of-a-game-for-advanced-115946597.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Universe Could be Fake
I KNEW IT!!! They've been effing with us all along!
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Universe Could be Fake
Some scientists claim this to be true. But IMO they may be correct for
entirely another reason. Specifically, our lives don't continue forever, our
Sun will not shine forever, and the universe will someday disappear into
photons of light. As such, is it possible for our consciousness or spirit to
find an eternal abode in paradise?
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[FairfieldLife] Fwd: New Maharishi Ayurveda Video Library – Advice in 5 Minutes or Less
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[FairfieldLife] Can Genes Make Us Liberal or Conservative?
Aristotle may have been more on the money than he realised in saying man is a political animal, according to research published Wednesday linking genes with liberal or conservative leanings. Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2015-08-genes-liberal.html#jCp Aristotle may have been more on the money than he realised in saying man is a political animal, according to research published Wednesday linking genes with liberal or conservative leanings. Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2015-08-genes-liberal.html#jCp http://phys.org/news/2015-08-genes-liberal.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gurus Purnima
Re: 'Off the program'. I met a person at the recent Karunamayi silent meditation retreat who at the end of the retreat commented that friends would 'freak out' and be quite 'upset' with this person if they knew this person had come to the retreat. There were a lot of people from the greater NYC/New England area from different spiritual practices and movements at the retreat. I asked this particular individual what they meant and how the 'friends' with their spiritual group would 'language' that this person was coming to a meditation retreat and being with another teacher.. (?) The answer given was there would be a judgment of being “irresponsible” and a “failing in completion” of their personal work as taught by their group. The young Nityananda has been around the NY metro area for some time and has a following there. In contrast this summer this individual went to public meetings with Karunamayi and then Ammachi too in NYC. This person has been part of the Nityananda group for many years, been to India with them, and has a network of long friendships within that group. This person in reflection was saying to others at the meditation retreat to have never had a meditation or experiences like what was going on with the retreat. The Nityananda thing evidently is not meditative and is a lot psychological. Evidently a straying “off the program” was becoming.. 'Irresponsible' and 'Failing in Completion'. ..'Off-the-Program'! or an awakening of sorts. -JaiGuruYou And, the movement hosted a Guru Purnima too in Fairfield. In looking, it seems times are changed noticeably from during the 1990’s and the 2000’s where organizations of the maha-saints and spiritual teachers were often fleshed out by TM’ers/ the TM community. Altruistic TM’ers seemed to have had the ready know-how in training and and experience in volunteering to help 'make' gurus and spiritual movements then. s/Mothers, chopra, Shri-Shri, Meera and others. It often used to be that the people up front in these spiritual organizations were of old TM. Now in looking it is fairly evident that others have come along in to being the organizing workhorses of different spiritual movements. You see many fewer TM’ers up front running things at events or in the crowd or on the organizing committees. Other folks coming along of more of a middle-age demographic now do more of the facilitating of the spiritual movements and tours. Also compared to earlier times some of the groups now have a more solid showing of the Indo-American community culturally showing up and running things in a way that was not there so long ago. And there a is now a smattering of spiritually lit millennials in the crowds. Times change. -JaiGuruYou Well, met several old TM’ers at these meditations too. Found an old TM teacher from San Francisco who was at MIU in Santa Barbara meditating here too. These are long meditations that draw serious meditators to this retreat. Lot of people and a lot of different paths. New Jersey is far enough rom Iowa that there are not so many Fairfield meditators that traveled here. Not like last month in Chicago where there were a few hundred Fairfield meditators at Ammachi’s meetings or earlier in the year when Fairfield traveled to be with Mother Meera. Geezer writes: I dunno man, that sounds WAY off the program and hardly Dome-worthy! Went to a Guru Purnima group silent meditation in suburban NJ the other evening –Summit, Shorthills, Maplewood, Chatam area. Gathering of people from a couple different yoga studios for an evening meditation as a group. Eclectic gathering of different mature meditator folks for a nice group silent meditation. Really nice field effect in an amalgam of some Gurumayi meditators, chopra meditators, oprah, Quaker, centering, Buddhist, meditators, and a couple people who learned meditation in recent times through TM center in the NJ area. Ecumenical silent meditation together in a room for a long meditation one evening after the workday. Also Looking in now on a guru Purnima meditation retreat hosted by Karunamayi also in NJ just across from NYC. About 400 practiced meditators from New England and Canada with some coming from the West also. Mature eclectic demographic of practiced meditators for a several day retreat practicing in long silent meditations as a group. .. it's a nice cultivated spiritual group effect. Demographics of both these groups meetings are middle-aged and at least middle-class. Not many millennials to see in the group though the meditation retreat does cost money and afforded some time including a weekday workday to go to, but are not many millennials to be seen. Both groups age-wise were generally younger (middle-age) than what we more commonly see in our Fairfield meetings of older greying baby-boom meditators. -JaiGuruYou
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Universe Could be Fake
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re Everything you know may just be part of a Matrix-style simulation: Yes - but how do those running the simulation (advanced humans, robots or aliens) know that they are not themselves part of a higher-level simulation? And as the argument would also apply to those other programmers, etc, etc, you have an infinite regress. As that doesn't hold water we can discount the first step. Sure, worlds within worlds. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Some scientists claim this to be true. But IMO they may be correct for entirely another reason. Specifically, our lives don't continue forever, our Sun will not shine forever, and the universe will someday disappear into photons of light. As such, is it possible for our consciousness or spirit to find an eternal abode in paradise? Are Humans Really Part Of A Game For Robots? Scientists Claim The Universe Could Be FAKE http://news.yahoo.com/are-humans-really-part-of-a-game-for-advanced-115946597.html http://news.yahoo.com/are-humans-really-part-of-a-game-for-advanced-115946597.html Are Humans Really Part Of A Game For Robots? Scientis... http://news.yahoo.com/are-humans-really-part-of-a-game-for-advanced-115946597.html Everything you know may just be part of a Matrix-style simulation, according to physicists who claim that we could all be part of a giant GAME. A new theory ha... View on news.yahoo.com http://news.yahoo.com/are-humans-really-part-of-a-game-for-advanced-115946597.html Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Pope: Remarried Divorcees are Not Excommunicated
But conservatives in the Church may not agree. So, the debate still is on until October 2015. Remarried divorcees 'not excommunicated', pope tells Church http://news.yahoo.com/remarried-divorcees-not-excommunicated-pope-tells-church-103228247.html http://news.yahoo.com/remarried-divorcees-not-excommunicated-pope-tells-church-103228247.html Remarried divorcees 'not excommunicated', pope t... http://news.yahoo.com/remarried-divorcees-not-excommunicated-pope-tells-church-103228247.html Divorced people who have remarried are still part of the Church and should not be treated as if they have been excommunicated or cast out, Pope Fra... View on news.yahoo.com http://news.yahoo.com/remarried-divorcees-not-excommunicated-pope-tells-church-103228247.html Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Universe Could be Fake
Folks here are so naive ... Hasn't anyone seen The 13th Floor? What about Dark City? What about the radical Swedish TV series Äkta Mäniskor? Even the prudishly tame British series Real Humans? Don't you know how to identify and comprehend Gnostic themes? Ya'll are such neophytes ...
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Universe Could be Fake
S3, There is one lecturer on You-Tube who also states that the universe is digital and a simulation as designed by the Creator Itself, and not by aliens or robots. In past philosophical discourses, the infinite regression argument has also been applied to the Creator as well. But MMY chose not to go this route in making his argument for the Unified Field which is the source and finality of all universes through the dynamism of the Rishi-Devata-Chandas relationship. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re Everything you know may just be part of a Matrix-style simulation: Yes - but how do those running the simulation (advanced humans, robots or aliens) know that they are not themselves part of a higher-level simulation? And as the argument would also apply to those other programmers, etc, etc, you have an infinite regress. As that doesn't hold water we can discount the first step. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Some scientists claim this to be true. But IMO they may be correct for entirely another reason. Specifically, our lives don't continue forever, our Sun will not shine forever, and the universe will someday disappear into photons of light. As such, is it possible for our consciousness or spirit to find an eternal abode in paradise? Are Humans Really Part Of A Game For Robots? Scientists Claim The Universe Could Be FAKE http://news.yahoo.com/are-humans-really-part-of-a-game-for-advanced-115946597.html http://news.yahoo.com/are-humans-really-part-of-a-game-for-advanced-115946597.html Are Humans Really Part Of A Game For Robots? Scientis... http://news.yahoo.com/are-humans-really-part-of-a-game-for-advanced-115946597.html Everything you know may just be part of a Matrix-style simulation, according to physicists who claim that we could all be part of a giant GAME. A new theory ha... View on news.yahoo.com http://news.yahoo.com/are-humans-really-part-of-a-game-for-advanced-115946597.html Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Universe Could be Fake
Re Everything you know may just be part of a Matrix-style simulation: Yes - but how do those running the simulation (advanced humans, robots or aliens) know that they are not themselves part of a higher-level simulation? And as the argument would also apply to those other programmers, etc, etc, you have an infinite regress. As that doesn't hold water we can discount the first step. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Some scientists claim this to be true. But IMO they may be correct for entirely another reason. Specifically, our lives don't continue forever, our Sun will not shine forever, and the universe will someday disappear into photons of light. As such, is it possible for our consciousness or spirit to find an eternal abode in paradise? Are Humans Really Part Of A Game For Robots? Scientists Claim The Universe Could Be FAKE http://news.yahoo.com/are-humans-really-part-of-a-game-for-advanced-115946597.html http://news.yahoo.com/are-humans-really-part-of-a-game-for-advanced-115946597.html Are Humans Really Part Of A Game For Robots? Scientis... http://news.yahoo.com/are-humans-really-part-of-a-game-for-advanced-115946597.html Everything you know may just be part of a Matrix-style simulation, according to physicists who claim that we could all be part of a giant GAME. A new theory ha... View on news.yahoo.com http://news.yahoo.com/are-humans-really-part-of-a-game-for-advanced-115946597.html Preview by Yahoo
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Universe Could be Fake
Re The universe is digital and a simulation as designed by the Creator: I agree. That stops the regress and could well be the case. Of course if we are simulated we have no free will and so can't be held accountable for our actions. I tend not to hold with these Matrix-type scenarios because one thing I know for sure is that I'm conscious and I find it dubious that awareness is an emergent phenomena due to complex info processing. If I'm wrong about this then can I request my programmer (pretty please) to ensure I get a winning ticket in next week's lottery. I wanna be rich . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvdsbQ3VxLA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvdsbQ3VxLA
