[FairfieldLife] Re: Health-Faucet vs. Toilet-Paper....????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@ wrote: Here is another very very long article with the Link, http://www.fourthnight.org/April2006.htm April 4, 2006 The Case Against Toilet Paper snip Dude, I am curious about something. You post to FFL with regularity your observations and stories about defecation, sexual aberration and abuse, and the like. However when I read the Yahoo forum Maharishi_Mahesh_Yogi your posts are considerably more civilized. Why is that? Why not post the same crap (no pun intended) to both forums? What would the folks think over at the Maharishi_Mahesh_Yogi forum, if you began a post with Hari Om, and then proceeded to post a lengthy article on toilet habits? Jim Do you behave the same in all situations? Aren't you different with your best male buds than when visiting your grandmother or in church (or wherever?). When you first start dating you're on your best behavior, after you're pretty comfortable the farting starts (not that I've ever done that). Cut this guy some slack for adapting to the rules of the room. Just curious, Dude, because I for one find your stuff here indicative of a pretty low level of awareness (no pun intended)... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fantastic Peace Palace video on-line
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you seen this? It's great! http://www.peacepalaces.com/celebration-ground/ Jai Guru Dev Nancy __ Whoever she is. If that's what destiny has in store for us in the Age of Sat Yuga, I'm glad I'm suffering. It made me ill. Imagine having to listen to people talk like the narrator talks, listen to bagpipes all day, vedic chanting (wasn't it enough on courses?), and people who always look happy. It reminded me of The Prisoner and The Truman Show, each as equally artificial. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girlfriends Galore for MMY, eh?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 5/10/06 11:26 AM, curtisdeltablues at curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I remember when I believed that some people could be completely non-sexual. I think that is what I believed about Michael Jackson till it all came out. Then I felt so naive! I had a good friend in the M initiator group who I felt was angelic like that. Then it turned out that he was just gay and couldn't express his preference and exist in the movement. Is the movement still puritanical about sex or has the older demographic loosened things up? I don't think much has changed. * Bob Roth's openly gay brother is running the TM center in San Francisco, so there is clearly some acceptance of alt life styles. Although possibly these openly gay recerts would not be tolerated anywhere other than the gayest city in the US (one out of every five men over the age of 15 is gay). Good point, Bob. I think that in this one particular case, in addition to what you said (about SF), the Roth moniker also helps. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: Yes. Being dissatisfied with something, or its extreme case of hitting bottom, is a huge impetous to most of my growth. But I don't credit suffering with getting me to give it up. The nature of life is to grow, don't you know. I'm going to seek more happiness regardless. Well said. From wonder into wonder life will open, asid the Tao te Ching. Ever heard the crow-and-the-coconut analogy? It appears in many Indian and Tibetan teachings. The seeker is hangin' out, just Being, and a crow alights on a branch on the tree in front of him. Immediately afterwards, a coconut falls from a branch on the other side of the tree. Now, was there a cause and effect relationship between the crow landing on a branch over here and the coconut falling off another branch over there? Well, there may be or there may not be. We will never know. We can only make up stories about either the connection between these two events or the lack of any such connection and hope that the stories inspire us. Life just expands. Spending a lot of time assign- ing a cause to those moments in which expands a great deal seems to me like a waste of time. Better to just surf the wave of expansion. Part of the problem I have with what I see as *reductionist* conclusions, like the one above *...better to just surf the wave of expansion... is it categorically disallows the possibility that some people, maybe many people, actually enjoy the process of thinking about and analyzing things. If you read a bit of ayurveda you learn about the pitta mind v. the vata mind. If you ever read Dr. Bernard Jensen, he talks about the calcium type who is not prone to deep analysis (can't remember which of his types are the thinkers). It's an individual thing, don't you think? For some analysis is serious, they need to know. For those who see analysis as silly, it's...well...silly and they cannot figure out why anyone would bother to try to figure it out. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Great photo site
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Computer Nirvana
Alex (et al) I disagree with this based on my personal experience. Four years ago I bought a Dell Dimension, I have it going probably 12 hours per day for business. It, too, has performed flawlessly for 4 straight years with zero problems. Finally, at 4 years it is starting to have some problems-slowing down, stalling a lot more. I'm good at tweaking it, keeping it clean, tracking down problems with it, and with all that it's still finally in need of replacement. I am so impressed with Dell that I am ordering a new one. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: +++ Hey Alex, wish I could have a little of the boredom as I have a serious shortage- haven't had any in the last 50 years. Would you have some time on the weekend to debate on what computer equipment to buy as I am needing to upgrade. It looks like you have quite a bit of expierience with the subject and would be a great help. thanks, N. For desktop PCs, I always advise against buying from the big PC manufacturers (Dell, HP, Gateway, etc.) because they're usually made with proprietary components that are not likely to be as robust as brand name components. My current desktop machine, which I bought a few years ago, is from http://www.endpcnoise.com/ , and it has performed flawlessly. Quality brand name components (especially the motherboard) make all the difference. Since there is no standardized form factor for laptops, they are all proprietary. Right now I have two laptops. One is an old Dell Latitude C610 that I bought as a refurb from http://usanotebook.com/ . It's been fine except for the touchpad going wonky on occasion (a known issue with this model). The other one is an Averatec 4200 series that I got from http://newegg.com/ , and it has been a fine little machine and a lot of computer for not a lot of money. Petra has one too, and her only complaint is short battery life. 'Zat help? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Colbert @ W.H. Correspondent's Dinner
You would think that Colbert's script/dialogue (whatever you wnat to call it) would have been previewed before he was allowed to speak. I can't help but think that somehow, Bush used this as an opportunity to show what a stand-up guy he is-that he knows he is in trouble and is willing to let himself be taken to task in some kind of public fashion of his own choosing-knowing the media would play this up, giving Colbert a lot of credit for telling the truth. And Bush ends up getting credit-raising his esteem in the eyes of all-because he was willing to listen, even put his arm around this guy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer wrote: STEPHEN COLBERT: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. ... But, listen, let's review the rules. Here's how it works: the president makes decisions. He's the decider. The press secretary announces those decisions, and you people of the press type those decisions down. Make, announce, type. Just put 'em through a spell check and go home. Get to know your family again. Make love to your wife. Write that novel you got kicking around in your head. You know, the one about the intrepid Washington reporter with the courage to stand up to the administration. You know - fiction! I couldn't watch Colbert's presentation because nobody was laughing. Reading it here was much easier. Upon reading it, I see its purpose was not to amuse people. It was to speak truth to power. Colbert may have flopped as a humorist, but he soared as a citizen. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light up the Senate switchboard now!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/1/06 3:20:06 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd hate to see the ANWR destruction. I'm just curious , what would be destroyed in ANWAR? Remember how the Alaskan pipeline was going to interfere with the migration of the Caribou and they wouldn't cross it and freeze to death or some such nonsense. Turns out the Caribou love the pipeline and they gather near it because it gives off heat and they are proliferating. And the area that oil companies want to drill in ANWAR is a tiny fraction of the whole refuge and is nothing but frozen Tundra in the Winter and a marsh in the short summer. Very little if any wildlife would be displaced from the area of oil exploration. I love frozen tundras. They reminds me of some of the totally depressing winters/years I spent in FF. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light up the Senate switchboard now!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The next time I live in a big city I think I'd like to try it without a car. I don't mind mass transit and, if need be, I'll take a taxi. Even taking taxis regularly won't be as expensive as owning a car, I imagine. In NYC you can get an unlimited monthly transit pass, good in all five boroughs, for $76. I found it be extremely easy to get around NYC with no car. Between walking, buses, subways, you can get absolutely anywhere. It takes a while to get the routes down but then you click into gear. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light up the Senate switchboard now!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: In NYC you can get an unlimited monthly transit pass, good in all five boroughs, for $76. I found it be extremely easy to get around NYC with no car. Between walking, buses, subways, you can get absolutely anywhere. It takes a while to get the routes down but then you click into gear. Wherebouts do you go, and for what? I'm a midwesterner who recently visited NYC, but I'm just curious how someone in heavy urban setting does errands, etc, as opposed to someone in less urban setting. lurk Lurk A lot of planning goes into shopping in the city. You have to do it in *layers so to speak. You know which places you want to shop for different things. So you plan your week based on which neighborhoods you're going to. For example, you live lower east side and were traveling to upper west side to go to Fairway Market (http://www.fairwaymarket.com/index.cfm?Area=Locations) or Zabar's just a couple of blocks further north on Broadway. Perhaps you just need some gourmet cheese and you're also meeting Lauren (Bacall) for a cup of coffee. You wait until you are done with all your hobnobbing (Lauren likes to talk). You grab your groceries, make certain you have your canvas shopping bag, go shopping, and work your way back southeast via 3 different subways. If it's early enough in the day and the weather is nice enough, you may walk a station stop or two above ground. The 1/2/3 subway station is about 2 blocks away. You can also head to 72nd and take a cross-town bus and then a number of different subways. I've made it back with four full shopping bags with no problems. It's a hassle, to be sure, but if you get in the groove of city life it is enjoyable (in better weather of course!). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question I just answered in a moderators¹ survey. How would you answer it? My answer was more capacity in the Files section for uploading videos, etc. Make FFL visible from (au|ca|de|fr|it|uk|etc).yahoo.com. Make the search function more usable. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Eckhart Tolle
Lasting Happiness - an mp3 recording of a satsang with Eckhart Tolle, is available via bit torrent from http://www.mininova.org/tor/291427 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question I just answered in a moderators¹ survey. How would you answer it? My answer was more capacity in the Files section for uploading videos, etc. Create a sparaig filter so Lawson would only be allowed a fixed percentage of totaly daily posts ( and a lot less than what he uses now) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The point I was making, though, that he has a need to believe he's being criticized because his critics are jealous of his experiences, which is just wildly delusionary, not to mention self-serving. You have a need to be right, which is also self-serving, no matter how obnoxious you are in doing so. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why scorpion leader is worse than Bush
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor uns_tressor@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor uns_tressor@ wrote: Really, you have taken stupidity to a new plateau. ... and against stupidity the very gods themselves contend in vain. Schiller Uns. * I'm sorry, but that's my line, stressor: you lot have really got your priorities in order: http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/04/21/D8H4GF9O1.html Priorities in order? You spent (in 2004) $12,000 per person per month on defence, and your only significant enemy is a bearded bloke on a camel in Pakistan somewhere (possibly). And this $403 trillion can't even find him. I'm not criticising Rumsfeld. I'm criticising you for being so dumb as to raise your head above the parapet. Your work is ill researched, bigotted and racist. Uns. I have had an email to say that I have got my figures wrong. It is true. You criticise Tony Blair for allowing his party to spend too much on his wife's hair. Your Head of State spends $1,500,000 per person per year on defence which does not even work against his most urgent enemy (it would seem). You are the Mother of all Prats, bbrigante. Uns. Hey Uns, US defence spending in 2004 was $1456 per person (assuming a population of 300 million). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States BTW, are you sure you're British? You say some very strange things. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
Hi Richard, Comment Below... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times' Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:55:52 EDT In a message dated 4/16/06 11:54:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And when Iran can send out 40,000 suicide bombers , some equipped with suit case size nukes, then what? According to reuters there are only 200 suicide volunteers. The 40,000 refered to are new recruits to the revolutionary guard. And there are no suitcase nukes. Yes Richard, and many are saying, why shouldn't Iran have nukes. One day they just might and why couldn't they develop suit case size nuclear bombs and hand them over to any number of these 200 or by then 40,000 recruits?We stand by and do nothing other than protest to the UN or even congratulate them on their advances in technology. Funny how the leaders of Iran are not held responsible for their rhetoric or their actions while leaders receiving the threats are held responsible for taking those threats seriously. I don't think any country should have them but it's a bit late for that. The nature of arms races is such that once Israel armed itself everyone in the middle east will. We can only hope that when it finally gets it's hands on something really dangerous, Iran will understand the concept of mutually assured destruction I doubt if Mutually Assured Destruction would stop Iran from using nukes or any other weapons. Mutually assured destruction is the aim of suicide bombers, and I get the idea the same mentality pervades some middle eastern cultures/goverments/nations. In particular president Ahmadinejad, who (some fear) sees international turmoil as heralding the return of the twelfth imam, which he believes would bring about peace and justice by establishing islam throughout the world. The greater the turmoil or more destructive the war, the more likely is the return of the imam. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelfth_imam#Reappearance http://www.newstatesman.com/200512050014 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/15/AR2005121501428.html not a great way to live but seeing as Israel has such obvious expansionist ambitions it's either that or another US invasion. Israeli expansionist ambitions? Can you elaborate? I would guess though, that the people of Iran have had enough of western meddling in their affairs. They don't call us the great satan for nothing you know. For nearly a hundred years we have seen the middle east as little more than a filling station and knocked off any government that didn't want to play by our rules. And in those days no-one even complained to the UN because they were getting cheap oil too. You can't keep treating people like this, If there is such a thing as Karma I would say we are due! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/17/06 1:27 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I stand by my original point -- ANYONE who can justify *forcing* people to follow his or her spiritual beliefs, for *ANY* reason, has crossed a boundary from inspired believer into the realm of dangerous fanatic. Maharishi crossed that boundary many years ago. I missed the post about the Catholic Church forcing people to attend mass, and about the comparison with the TMO, if that was made, but Maharishi did used to joke about forcing people to meditate. I think it was during the Wilshire-Ebell lectures in LA back in 1968 or so in which he talked about meditation police who would apprehend people on the street who appeared unhappy. Also, his courting of dictators implies something of this nature. He obviously wanted the dictators to get all their people to meditate. He must have considered how they would go about doing this. At the giant Vedic Science course in the Indian Express Building in New Delhi, India, very early 80s, during a lecture one afternoon, someone asked Maharishi somewhere in the course of a discussion about governments around the globe: Well, what would be the best form of government? He responded: Enlightened dictatorship, but this is a controversial topic so we won't talk about it. Anyone else remember that? There have been many attempts to get large numbers to meditate in factories, schools, etc., in which the actually willingness of individuals to go along with the plan was the last thing on his mind. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 1:08 PM, sparaig wrote: There's plenty of people who claim plenty of things. However, I'm still waiting for documentation of your claim as in research published in peer reviewed journals. And why are you waiting for that? You need to get out more dude. In other words, you don't have any evidence of your claims beyond Ken Wilber playing games with a home EEG machine. LOL. No I'm just not obsessed with the map, I prefer the territory itself. Why are you so shocked about this? Has TM conditioned you to believe people *can't* transcend for more than a couple of minutes of apnea? It really seems to other you what Wallace is saying. Shouldn't we all be happy? I suspect that what you call transcending is not the same as what TMers call transcending. Given that TMers don't report transcending during TM until after-the-fact, this is hardly surprising... Where oh where did you come up with that? I've clearly sat smack dab in the middle of the transcendent for long periods during TM meditation and stayed there for long periods of time, been fully aware of myself, my thoughts, even been really bored, etc. during these long periods. I asked Maharishi in person, about it and he said it was exactly what it seemed like, growth of CC with the ability to maintain pure consciousness along with thoughts, etc. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] We wouldn't think less of you (than we already do haha)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/15/06 6:49 PM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: Does he really intimidate you folks that badly? Are you so afraid of him jumping on you if all you do is chide us *equally*? This idiotic feud will end whenever either of you decides not to participate in it any more. Apparently, neither of you is capable of this. If either of you were living fully in the present, you wouldn't harbor past grudges and the situation wouldn't continue. It really amazes me that you, Rick, and so many other intelligent people on this forum can't see what's actually going on here right under your noses. No wonder Bush is president and the Republicans control Congress. Oh come on Judy. This is like something I remember your writing years ago, probably on alt.med.tm, when someone made some kind of comparison to the Nazis, which really seemed to push yout buttons and when I read your chastising of the person who made the comparison I thought it was a good thing to let the person know just how out of whack their comparison was. I think that this is a case where you just can't see the forest for the trees because the thing that is obvlous to everyone is how ridiculous this endless bickering between you and Barry is. I cannot believe how many posts you two have gone at it for as many years as I've read FF Life and alt.med.tm prior. Rick's point is well taken. One of you simply needs to stop paying complete and total attention to the other. No one would think less of whichever one of you stops (we couldn't think less of you than we already do, HA!) You're usually very insiteful but in this instance, you are not. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Second time now Barry has broken his latest vow to ignore me. Who gives a shit, can't you JUST STOP SNIPING? This is the worst behavior from an adult I believe I have ever seen. It's about equal to to little kids who just can't stop no matter what. The basic issue is the caste system. The original article just DEVASTATED the concept of the caste system, rather effectively. So what happened? A few people tried (successfully) to DIVERT attention away from the real subject of the parody -- the caste system and its indefensible evils -- and get people to focus on whether the style of the humor was socially acceptable. Or: That we all think the caste system is indefensible is a given, no debate necessary. As far as I can tell, these attempts WORKED. In the posts that I can see, only Shemp kept trying to come back to the real subject -- the caste system and how much of an affront to humanity it is. Anybody here *not* agree that the caste system is an affront to humanity? If so, I'll be *delighted* to debate them on that point. Other folks got lured into the DIVERSION, and got lured into arguing with people who were (essentially) trying to dictate to them what is permissible as humor and what is not. See, TMers (particularly me), according to Barry, are not allowed to express a personal opinion on ANYTHING. If they do, they are ipso facto attempting to dictate to others whatever that opinion advocates. Lesson to be learned from all this: whenever someone reacts to a joke by trying to say that the humor in the joke is politically incorrect or racist or demeaning, LOOK CLOSER. Right, it actually may *be* racist or demeaning. Chances are that this is a tactic, a DISTRACTION, meant to divert attention from the thing that the joke made people laugh at, and see a new side of. No, Barry, sorry, but you're once again taking your own bilious paranoid fantasies for reality. Kudos to Shemp for being the only one to be able to stick to the subject... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Will Barry and Judy please stop this infantile behavior
Maybe infantile is being to kind to you both. Your constant nipping at each other in this public venue is the most immature behavior I have ever seen between adults. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Judy / Barry (was Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating)
Sorry, Judy, I didn't mean to make it so one sided. HEY BARRY, WILL YOU STOP SNIPING AT JUDY. I just thought that he was too dumb to get it. You seem way to smart to keep at this kind of behavior. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Second time now Barry has broken his latest vow to ignore me. Who gives a shit, can't you JUST STOP SNIPING? This is the worst behavior from an adult I believe I have ever seen. It's about equal to to little kids who just can't stop no matter what. And once again you're yelling at me rather than Barry, when he chose to start sniping at me. Don't you guys get a little *embarrassed* after a while at how you inevitably pick on me instead of him? I mean, if you switched off, that would be one thing. But you don't seem to have the guts to *ever* chide Barry, even when he starts it (all his high-minded vows notwithstanding). Does he really intimidate you folks that badly? Are you so afraid of him jumping on you if all you do is chide us *equally*? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Judy / Barry (was Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: Sorry, Judy, I didn't mean to make it so one sided. HEY BARRY, WILL YOU STOP SNIPING AT JUDY. I just thought that he was too dumb to get it. You seem way to smart to keep at this kind of behavior. Actually Barry has indicated that he DOES get it --that he LIKES pushing Judy's buttons. He has said so litterally. He dispises her so much that he gets off on making her react. And, Judy must enjoy reacting or she would have done what we tell kids to do from the time we hear them taunting each other-ignore the other person. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHO IS GAYATRI ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gene Autry's brother. Very funny Shemp. You have a very good ear to get that! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Republicans cracking up (good article)
http://tinyurl.com/zrr9b Political Crackups What Happens When Governments Don't Work By Sebastian Mallaby Monday, April 10, 2006; Page A17 In the fall of 1992, when a different Bush administration was unraveling, Shin Kanemaru ran into a little trouble. Kanemaru was the Tom DeLay of politics in Japan; he was the gruff son of a rural sake maker who became a political kingmaker, and after he got busted for taking money from the mob, gold ingots were discovered under his floorboards. In the ensuing months, two things happened. Japanese politics underwent convulsive shifts -- the ruling party split, then lost its grip on power for the first time in four decades. But Japanese policymaking barely improved. However odious the old crony boss, the alternative proved nearly as imperfect. Today the signs of a political crackup are all over Washington. Within the administration, the White House chief of staff is going, the Treasury secretary is rumored to be going, and the defense secretary argues publicly with the secretary of state about whether he made tactical errors in Iraq. The president's domestic policy has shriveled to pleas for expanded health savings accounts, whose shockingly muddled design speaks volumes about the administration's lack of economic talent. In a mark of desperation, Bush has gone off script to take questions from journalists and citizens. At a forum in North Carolina on Thursday, he confessed that the torture revelations from Abu Ghraib had been disgraceful. The spectacle in Congress is no prettier. One cannot regret the fall of Tom DeLay, who combined a mastery of politics with a complete indifference to its purpose. Really, what did this man seek public office for? It's said that he was inspired by his conviction that the Environmental Protection Agency is like the Gestapo, but I suspect this theory is too kind. Unlike Newt Gingrich, who bristled with policy ideas, DeLay never seemed to care about anything beyond counting votes and cultivating links to the moneybags on K Street. Still, in the absence of a functioning administration and a powerful House boss, nobody is running the asylum. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, a physician who diagnosed Terri Schiavo by watching her on video, is as charismatic as a stethoscope and as principled as a cigarette salesman. I doubt many Americans could even recognize DeLay's successor as House majority leader, John Boehner, let alone say what he stands for. His most memorable moment came in 1995, when he chose the House floor as a suitable venue for distributing checks from tobacco lobbyists. In theory, this political vacuum presents an opportunity. Liberated from the DeLay-K Street axis, the GOP could become less of a political machine and more genuinely interested in governing. But the signs so far aren't good. Last week House Republicans began debating a budget framework, then decided the whole thing was awfully hard and shelved it. The House considered some bad tax legislation, too, but couldn't get around to making progress. For a brief moment last week, the Senate seemed poised to produce a worthwhile immigration bill. But this turned out to be a feint, and in the end the whole thing fizzled. The fight laid bare the deep splits among Republicans: on one side, business-backed moderates; on the other side, spluttering nativists whose contributions to public policy include proposals to bomb Mecca. A president who wasn't quacking and limping might perhaps have secured a deal. But in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, the implosion of the Bush domestic agenda and unrelentingly awful Iraq news, this proved impossible. The Republicans' dismal performance could shake their grip on power -- much as the gold-ingot episode upset Japan's politics. But the top congressional Democrats seem barely more attractive than the Republicans; they have mastered the art of obstructionism but are light on policy proposals. In Japan in the 1990s, the collapse of the cronyistic ruling party was expected to usher in economic change that would pull the country out of its financial swamp. Instead, reform proceeded at a glacial pace, and it took a full decade for the economy to get going again. The paradox of politics is that government is at once essential and dysfunctional. Globalization, demographic change, the sheer fact of economic growth: All these shifts create demands for government to step in, as a provider of safety nets for workers; retirement security for seniors; and public goods such as environmental quality and food safety, which become priorities as societies grow richer. But governments have a way of screwing up. France can't even take baby steps toward fixing its labor market without provoking riots; Italy is led by a high-heeled tycoon who passes laws to protect himself from prosecutors, though the election yesterday and today may dispatch him. Despite a world economy that's growing at a record pace, governments in rich countries can't even
[FairfieldLife] It's been nice knowing you all
Here's the link to the article in the New Yorker: http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_fact Here's a summation of the article from (http://tinyurl.com/zmw6u) US considers use of nuclear weapons against Iran Sat Apr 8, 2:24 AM ET The administration of President George W. Bush is planning a massive bombing campaign against Iran, including use of bunker-buster nuclear bombs to destroy a key Iranian suspected nuclear weapons facility, The New Yorker magazine has reported in its April 17 issue. The article by investigative journalist Seymour Hersh said that Bush and others in the White House have come to view Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as a potential Adolf Hitler. That's the name they're using, the report quoted a former senior intelligence official as saying. A senior unnamed Pentagon adviser is quoted in the article as saying that this White House believes that the only way to solve the problem is to change the power structure in Iran, and that means war. The former intelligence officials depicts planning as enormous, hectic and operational, Hersh writes. One former defense official said the military planning was premised on a belief that a sustained bombing campaign in Iran will humiliate the religious leadership and lead the public to rise up and overthrow the government, The New Yorker pointed out. In recent weeks, the president has quietly initiated a series of talks on plans for Iran with a few key senators and members of the House of Representatives, including at least one Democrat, the report said. One of the options under consideration involves the possible use of a bunker-buster tactical nuclear weapon, such as the B61-11, to insure the destruction of Iran's main centrifuge plant at Natanz, Hersh writes. But the former senior intelligence official said the attention given to the nuclear option has created serious misgivings inside the military, and some officers have talked about resigning after an attempt to remove the nuclear option from the evolving war plans in Iran failed, according to the report. There are very strong sentiments within the military against brandishing nuclear weapons against other countries, the magazine quotes the Pentagon adviser as saying. The adviser warned that bombing Iran could provoke a chain reaction of attacks on American facilities and citizens throughout the world and might also reignite Hezbollah. If we go, the southern half of Iraq will light up like a candle, the adviser is quoted as telling The New Yorker. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] News from Mike Scozzari?
Today was supposed to be the day Mike and the TM org. went to mediation. Anyone hear anything? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Fairfield story about options
I had a talk with Dick DeAngelis about 2 years andhe told me his story. He was accused of sexual harrassment which he vehemently denies. I wasn't there so I can't say but I knew him at another firm and he was not known for his tact in dealing with women and he was not faithful to his wife. He was let go from Telegroup and he cashed out his stock at $1,000,000 paid his taxes and had a bundle still left. He built a really big house (as Rick said) outside of town. I'm not sure what he is into now but about 2 years ago he was into selling and signing others up through some multi-level line of supplements which, as it turned out, was the real reason he decided to come over and talk to me. I politely declined and he did not push it. Steve Klayman (Doc108) who posts here from time to time, was also in the multi-level company and I think he was in Dick's upline. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/2/06 4:28 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dick DeAngelis was sexually harassing her Rick: What's happening with Dick? Is he still living in Fairfield with his family? Yes. Did you lose any of that weight he had...I understand that he was on a weight-loss program? Doesn't appear to have. What's he doing now? Don't know, but he lives in a nice big SV house with a pond abutting Jefferson Country Park. Has a nice vineyard and makes wine. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Berkeley TM Good News
Lawson These days when you call a TM center to get checked you are grilled to make certain you learned TM from a sanctioned teacher. Any of these people learning from independent teachers will be turned away for any follow-up services. The main way the centers find out if you learned from a sanctioned Tm teacher is by asking how much you paid to learn. Personally, I have no problem with any of this as long as the independent teachers let the new initiates know that they are not eligible for any follow-up services at any sanctioned TM center. I think the independents are doing a great service to those who really want to learn TM especially as Maharishi gave the independents his unofficial approval in a weekly conference about six months or so ago. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 3/28/06 10:10 AM, Peter at drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- anonyff anonyff@ wrote: I recently communicated with one of the teachers in Berkeley, CA. and was told that yes indeed, in the month of February there were 12 initiations-that has been the highest month. The months before and since have averaged six per month. This is at full $2500 fare. The team in Berkeley has rented a storefront right on University Ave. in downtown Berkeley. Lots and lots of meditator activity-300+ have responded to the communication and the initiations have come in via word of mouth. Pretty dang encouraging, I'd say!! Wow! Good for them. Somebody's got some cash to burn! I have a friend who's doing more initiations than that. No publicity, just word of mouth. She changes $150. People organize living room courses of 10-12, and call her when they need her to come. She lives in FF and flies around the country once or twice a month. And how much money makes it into the national or international coffers? Your friend may believe she's doing the right thing, but if she's pocketing all the revenue, she's certainly ripping off the TMO if she refers people to the local TM center for checking. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Berkeley TM Good News
I recently communicated with one of the teachers in Berkeley, CA. and was told that yes indeed, in the month of February there were 12 initiations-that has been the highest month. The months before and since have averaged six per month. This is at full $2500 fare. The team in Berkeley has rented a storefront right on University Ave. in downtown Berkeley. Lots and lots of meditator activity-300+ have responded to the communication and the initiations have come in via word of mouth. Pretty dang encouraging, I'd say!! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/26/06 1:07 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is Tom the older or younger brother? I think he's the youngest. There's another brother besides Bobby. There is also their sister, Ellen, whose present last name I do not know. Ellen and Bobby look remarkably alike. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lonnie Gamble, was: I wonder what would happen if someone would pull a Jess
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/26/06 11:02 AM, Nelson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was a pioneer in getting interest in pv and wind power here. Has been teaching a course in that along with Kieth W. at the college. What is pv? What does Keith know about that and wind power? As an extra bit of trivia, Jeru H. is also on the street and, from what I gather, he is a BTO What is a BTO? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BTO BTO From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search BTO is a three letter acronym. It can mean: * The rock band Bachman-Turner Overdrive * The British Trust for Ornithology * A BTO vulnerability; a flaw in a copy protection system. * Business Transformation Outsourcing is a form of IT consultation-based outsourcing. * Built to order. * Business technology optimization * Build To Order (BTO) is a Housing and Development Board system for purchasing New HDB apartments in Singapore. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Watch David Lynch NOW
This is really great-he is a grat spokesman for how TM used to be presented many many years ago in a more innocent era of our movement. http://lynchweekend.org/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does a million $ buy loyalty?
I strongly disagree with this. I can remember many many instances, which I heard with my own two ears, of Maharishi disgustedly and quite condescendingly, demeaned people for wanting to get jobs and try to earn a living. I have heard first-hand accounts from people/friends, who went directly to Maharish and asked to be *released* from service from their jobs in the upper echelons of the TMO, including working in his inmost circle, and I was told that he was very very demeaning to them and made it clear that from his perspective he felt that if *they wanted to waste their lives* they had the right to do so... I had a directly personal experience with Maharishi in which he specifically told me, when I had indicated that I was going to pursue some new direction with my life, where he asked me to go home and ask for permission to work for the movement, *...just a little bit longer... HA! is all I can say about that result. I can't think of one instance where, at least publicly, he gave someone his *blessing* to go off and earn a living. From my perspective, now, nearly forty years later, I wish I had been one of the intelligent ones who saw the writing on the wall and did pursue a career and simply kept meditating. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: [Sal wrote:] Good old fashioned honesty and actually attempting to help people lead more productive lives would have been more than enough. Now nobody really cares anymore. When the seed is ripened, you either devour it or scatter it to the ground to grow more. I think M has been telling, directly or indirectly , the intelligent ones, for years to go out on your own and do your own thing. I agree. Shemp has several times posted a MMY quote which suggests precisely that, and I wrote a longish post awhile back about the same thing. MMY has effectively and with his blessing released TM teachers from whatever commitment they felt to the TMO, while at the same time giving those who wanted an opportunity to renew that commitment to do so. Yet, remarkably, we focus almost exclusively on the latter as if the former didn't even exist. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does a million $ buy loyalty?
I completely and totally disagree with this assessment. Even though I do not personally like Bevan, there are very very very very few people who could work at the level and pace he has as consistently as he has for as long as he has. Case in point of someone who succesfully segued from the upper echelons of the TM org. is Vesey Crichton. Do a google search on his name and see what you come up with. Here's one site to get you started. http://www.pdaexpertos.com/Articulos/Entrevistas/interview_Vesey_Crichton_palmone.shtml I think there are countless international organizations who would pay a vast fortune to have Bevan, with his vast vast knowledge of the globe who has dealt with the world and it's leadership at the level he has. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/25/06 11:25:31 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In what sense has Bevan Morris never held a job? Would you care to elaborate, or do you prefer to go on spouting this kind of nonsense forever? I won't say Bevan doesn't work or even work hard, but does he have any marketable skills? Could he leave the TM movement today and make it on his own? Could he work for a big company in the same capacity he does for the TMO or would he end up in some warehouse driving a forklift? It's kind of interesting to think what people working for the TMO would be doing if it were not for the TMO. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does a million $ buy loyalty?
A high level recruiter could package Bevan properly and he would be an invaluable asset to any number and kind of international organizations. I have seen *mere* TM teachers get packaged properly after *merely* opening basaic TM centers and teaching TM for a handful of years. Consequently, quite a number of these people went on to great success. You are truly an arrogant jerk btw. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 3/25/06 11:51:00 A.M. Central Standard Time, anonyff@ writes: I think there are countless international organizations who would pay a vast fortune to have Bevan, with his vast vast knowledge of the globe who has dealt with the world and it's leadership at the level he has. Now here is a person that sees the divinity in everthing. No, here is a person who has not a clue as to how people get hired. The new senior engineer for Yahoo was partly hired because he's a guild leader for a major guild in the online game, worlds of warcraft. Magagerial skills are obviously required to run even a small college, and Bevan has managed to keep MUM going for 20 years now. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does a million $ buy loyalty?
Well, my apologies are in order. FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: Hmmm... I think you misunderstood what I was saying, or who wrote what, since my point was that I agreed withyou. A high level recruiter could package Bevan properly and he would be an invaluable asset to any number and kind of international organizations. I have seen *mere* TM teachers get packaged properly after *merely* opening basaic TM centers and teaching TM for a handful of years. Consequently, quite a number of these people went on to great success. You are truly an arrogant jerk btw. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 3/25/06 11:51:00 A.M. Central Standard Time, anonyff@ writes: I think there are countless international organizations who would pay a vast fortune to have Bevan, with his vast vast knowledge of the globe who has dealt with the world and it's leadership at the level he has. Now here is a person that sees the divinity in everthing. No, here is a person who has not a clue as to how people get hired. The new senior engineer for Yahoo was partly hired because he's a guild leader for a major guild in the online game, worlds of warcraft. Magagerial skills are obviously required to run even a small college, and Bevan has managed to keep MUM going for 20 years now. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does a million $ buy loyalty?
I have brought this point up many times in the past when Bob Brigante used to make reference to Bevan's being overweight. It is really not nice to constantly point this kind of thing out. I'm sure he feels bad enough. I'v been around him enough (years ago) to hear him make many self-disparing remarks in this regard. For anyone who does NOT have a weight problem OR has a really easy time taking off weight, it is difficult to understand the struggles of someone who has put on a lot of weight and then cannot take it off. So cut the shit, eh? I'm sure people who know you could easily find something they personally don't like about you and then constantly harp on it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 3/25/06 12:47 PM, anonyff at anonyff@ wrote: A high level recruiter could package Bevan properly and he would be an invaluable asset to any number and kind of international organizations. I have seen *mere* TM teachers get packaged properly after *merely* opening basaic TM centers and teaching TM for a handful of years. Consequently, quite a number of these people went on to great success. Would anyone like to package me? I'm still stuck on the image of someone trying to package Bevan. Imagine Orca, shrinkwrapped. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Watch David Lynch NOW
Yah, I agree, as you say *It could happen.* I think Lynch, and other *innocents* like him make it seem more possible. My concern would be, that Lynch eventually becomes too slick or the packaging surrounding him does. When I first put on the streaming broadcast this morning and HEARD him speaking, I was struck by how different his actual personality and speaking voice seemed from that sneering look on his face in the publiciity shots of him --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: This is really great-he is a grat spokesman for how TM used to be presented many many years ago in a more innocent era of our movement. http://lynchweekend.org/ So why are you so skeptical that a neo-TM with Lynch/Haiglin/Barnes speak would not have much chance of being successful to reaching elite students at elite schools? There clearly was interest in TM at the national Lynch lectures. Price was the main issue, I percieved. If several things occurred, which are plausible then TM could reach 10% of student body at the top 200 universities within a few years. If so, as the students grow into careers, and become leaders, TM could become ingrained in the fabric of society. I am not saying its a high probability, but its certainly feasible. The several things occurring would be: 1) Lynch funded research shows markedly better academic performance -- measured in multiple ways (grades, gmats, professior evaluations, EEGs, etc) and is published in a premier journal 2) top employers note they give some edge to TM graduates from top schools as they enter the job market because of reduced health costs, absenteeism, alcohol/drug use, and stressed out behaviors. Again due to research in top journals. Both effects are real. They can/could be measured in sophisticated and independent ways that opens eyes of scientific, academic and career worlds. If the above happened then the Lynch Scholarships would not be necessary. But would accelerate things. Some will argue, big spiritual supermarket, yada yada, so many other techniques, blah blah. Fine. But they don't have the i) honed message of the TMO -- al la todays LynchDay presentation, 2) cadres of quality speakers, and iii) the top reasearch in premier journals -- if it happens. IF the above feasible scenario happens, though not a huge probability that it will, the NEW Lynch/SIMS will be swimming in money (2500 x 20,000-50,000 students a year) =50-125 million/year to plow into MORE research,nice SV student centers and living compexes, etc. They will have a clsssic first to market advantage in that new entrants while maybe having a similar product, just cant catch up to the infrastructure and market acceptance of the market leader. Hey, it could happen! And college To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does a million $ buy loyalty?
Ageism, though illegal, is definitely difficult to contend with. I've definitely been a victim of it myself these past few years. Although nothing was stated explicitly, the fact that I was the oldest person at a job-site and was forced out spoke volumes to me, particularly in light of the fact that new hires were typically 30 years younger. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 3/25/06 12:47 PM, anonyff at anonyff@ wrote: A high level recruiter could package Bevan properly and he would be an invaluable asset to any number and kind of international organizations. I have seen *mere* TM teachers get packaged properly after *merely* opening basaic TM centers and teaching TM for a handful of years. Consequently, quite a number of these people went on to great success. Would anyone like to package me? Are you serious? What's your job description look like? I'm pretty sure you could get far, FAR more in The Big City than you could make in Fairfield. Are you trying to move? The success of packaging I believe is mixed. Some pople are (seemed) pretty talented (Vesey), others less so. Regardless, not too many corps are looking for 58 year olds to hire based on a resume(TM part), even if its stellar, thats 10-15 years old. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does a million $ buy loyalty?
Although personally (except for maybe 30 years ago when he just seemed like an overworked nice guy) I am not fond of Bevan, an astute recruiter would find these facts out about Bevan and be able to place him according to these facst, all fo which are true. 1) He has helped run, if not being nearly totally in charge-Executive Management--of a global organization with 100+ national leaders (or however many there are) then state/time-zone/regional directors and teachers at local levels (what would this amount to-having 20-30,000 people under you). And he has done this for nearly 30 years. 2) Been president of a university with all the responsibilities that go along with it. 3) Organized, orchestrated, hosted International and National Conferences all over the world, many of which have been attended by the top thinkers of our time in nearly all areas of concern. 4) Made umpteen decisions, most of which we probably know absolutely nothing about, that affected the *bottom line*-probably decisions totalling in the billions of dollars. These are no small things and someone who deals with the upper upper echelon of people in the corporate world would be amazed to see the accomplishments of this person called Bevan who so many here like to put down for various reasons. I don't like him and his way of doing things, but I stand in awe of just how capable he is and for how many years he has constently functioned at this level. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/25/06 5:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/25/06 12:07:34 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Morris is a very smart guy and could probably have made a fortune had he chosen to go into business. This may very well be. But my original question is what marketable skills does Bevan have? Attorney, business management, teaching skills, negotiator, etc. that somebody would actually pay him for. I'm not being critical of the man, I sincerely wanting to know what are his skills other than being devoted to M and doing what he is told to do and having lots of staff that do have skills such as attorneys and business managers to help him. He has a brilliant mind and is an articulate public speaker, if you like his style. But he has a reputation for being a fear-based manager, and for firing people who express any tendency to think independently. Perhaps he thinks he¹s ³in tune with Maharishi¹s thinking² in that respect. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Eve Lynch / Donovan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any one see resemblances of Jerry Jarvis in Donovan's face. I can see that. However, I think he looks more like my Aunt Mae, who died at 97. And why doesn't the audience sing? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bobby Roth is a walking advertisment. He looks the same as 30 years ago. I was better friends with his brother, Tom. Any idea what's up with him? lurk Tommy Roth is gay and lives in San Francisco. He left Purusha many years ago to *come out*-saw a Jyotishi to find out the best time to *come out* and somehow-I guess because he comes from the famous Roth family, it's okay for him to be gay and recertified. He runs a very successful gay travel agency right on Castro Street in San Francisco In addition, he has stimulated quite a bit of TM related activity in SF as well. Here's some links to his companies http://www.gaytravelnews.com/ http://www.communitymarketinginc.com/tagaccommodations.cfm Here's a quote by him from a different website: Tom Roth, president of Community Marketing, notes, Gays and lesbians tend to have more discretionary income, as very few have the expenses of child-rearing. But Roth also says that vacations offer a different kind of escape for homosexuals. There's often a need to get away, to be in an environment where you feel comfortable being open about your sexuality, he says. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day
I don't know where the anti-gay sentiment in the movement came from. I never thought it came from MMY but I don't know. There were several very obviously gay men on my ttc many many years ago, they would wear tuxedos and one of the guys walked in a very very obvious way. However, I don't know if, in Maharishi's world, he had enough experience to know (this was 1971) about this gay thing. I had some a friend who was about half way through his Masters degree at MIU who got kicked off the program and off campus when someone made it a point to let the administration know he was gay. This was in the late 70s. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Bobby Roth is a walking advertisment. He looks the same as 30 years ago. I was better friends with his brother, Tom. Any idea what's up with him? lurk Tommy Roth is gay and lives in San Francisco. He left Purusha many years ago to *come out*-saw a Jyotishi to find out the best time to *come out* and somehow-I guess because he comes from the famous Roth family, it's okay for him to be gay and recertified. Or maybe the anti-gay thingis a Bevan thing and not an MMY thing? He runs a very successful gay travel agency right on Castro Street in San Francisco In addition, he has stimulated quite a bit of TM related activity in SF as well. Here's some links to his companies http://www.gaytravelnews.com/ http://www.communitymarketinginc.com/tagaccommodations.cfm Here's a quote by him from a different website: Tom Roth, president of Community Marketing, notes, Gays and lesbians tend to have more discretionary income, as very few have the expenses of child-rearing. But Roth also says that vacations offer a different kind of escape for homosexuals. There's often a need to get away, to be in an environment where you feel comfortable being open about your sexuality, he says. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Watch Chris Bliss
go to http://www.sonnyradio.com/chrisbliss.htm and click on Watch Chris Bliss and watch the whole thing Anony-Not-in-Bliss-FF Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
I don't think the elite of the world give a flying u-know-what about TM and paying $2500 to learn it. It is *passe* at this point. There are far too many more modern methods in the spiritual supermarket these days. At the local natural foods co-op where I shop, there is the requisite magazine rack near the registers loaded with the modern spiritual versions of the popular magazines-a vast variety of things to choose from-all kinds of meditation practices, all kinds of sexual preference magazines, gardening, cooking, etc. Most cities and towns including little tiny ones I've driven through have yoga offered and the *commonest* of people, the people who we never would have expected to find taking yoga, are now joining in the classes. Kaiser Permanente offeres Mindfulness Training classes, sometimes they are free. There are endless books, tapes, cds and now dvds available to learn to meditate and do yoga and you can now do so on your 52 inch plasma tv screen in full technicolor with a surround sound system. Who wants to learn TM from a gaunt looking couple anymore? Can you name one person or center where there are students taking out $2500 loans so they can learn TM? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: [...] Say what you will about his odd tastes, the man puts *his* money where his beliefs are. He could be taking his money and investing it in real estate the way the TM movement does, but he's not. He's actually doing something to help people. The day the TM movement does the same, it'll regain a tiny bit of its vanished credibility. I understand what he's doing and admire the fact he's figured out a way to do it, but it still boggles the mind that he has to do it that way. Elite people like to go to elite places. They don't mind too much if worthy individuals are given a helping hand along the way, but they don't like rubbing shoulders with the non-elite. MMY's stated goal these days is to reach the elite with meditation. The non-elite (most of us reading/writing this) are welcome as well if they can raise the money. I don't know the financing of Lynch's foundation, but he's thrown open the doors for ANY student to apply for financial aid: http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/register.html Also, the TMO is working hard to make educators aware of the potential of TM as well as of the financing available to take advantage of it: http://www.arizonastressfreeschools.org/ The elite of the world are impressed with this kind of thing. Perhaps the more spiritual types aren't, but that IS MMY's point, now isn't it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: If truth be told...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I was 14 (and in Fairfield, Connecticut, like Rickmust be the water)my friend's 34 year old mom came on to me quite strong. She left the last step to me which I was too young to take, luckily. A 14 year old boy having sex with a psychologically older woman can really get confused. I'm glad we didn't have sex, it would have screwed me up worse than i am now and I'd be a Hari Krishna instead of a 'Ru. Well, from what I read in Monkey On A Stick, the Hari Krishnas had it all-drugs, money, sex, everything we wanted waay back when. --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/22/06 3:59 PM, a_non_moose_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because of your age? Yeah. It ruined my relationship with my girlfriend, which was developing at a normal 15-year old's pace. (Would you have felt the same with a 17 yr old girl?) That would have been more appropriate than with a 39 year old. Her age? Her being your best friends mother (strained or uncomfortable relation with friend?) That too. Never, at any time between then and now, have I felt that she should have been jailed for this. But some sort of therapy to help her grow out of this behavior would have been useful. And therapy for you? Would have been good. Might still be. I mean was it all her fault? No. As I said, we were both emotionally immature. I was drunk the first time and came on to her. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Phase to say when someone is dying
On TTC in Mallorca, Jan-June 1971, Brahmarishi Devarat and his son (who looked like Tonto from the Lone Ranger) were often at meetings and we would ask Devarat question after question and Maharishi was our interpreter. My appeared to be having great fun in this job, he often found Devarat's answers both funny and illuminating. Someone asked him this question-if there is anything we can say to someone who is dying. As near as I can recall, he told us to say, in the person's ear, *wok, wok, wok* I believe it is actually spelled vak and I also think I remember it is translated as *speech* or *sound* I cannot remember the reason for saying this. I know for me, having been in the presence of several people/pets at the moment they made this transition out of life, I have done various things, depending on what was in my heart/mind to do at this time. Sometimes it was whispering the mantras I know (as a TM teacher, and whether or not the person was a TM meditator), sometimes/in addition it was the puja, or om namah shivaya. I would suggest to do something very personal and very meaningful to you at that time. I mean, who really knows. Does anyone think that you can somehow help a person circumvent their personal karma just by saying the right thing at their moment of death? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a friend. Anyone know the answer to this?: I've heard that there is some phrase that helps someone passing on.that is to be whispered to them as they pass. Do you know of this? Looks like we will be leaving for () tonight as my husband¹s dad won't be around much longermaybe not even 24 hours. I don't think I can do a puja there but I remember someone somewhere telling me about this phrase. Thanks. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 3 types of karma (was Re: Phase to say when someone is dying)
Nice point Shemp. Along those lines I'd like to mention a lecture I heard at the very last course I attended, in Seelisburg, in early 1988 just before I decided it was time for me to take my leave of the TM org (after 20 years). Maharishi sent Dr. Uli Bauhoffer, German dr., as I understood at the time the *Bevan* of Germany. He sent Bauhoffer to give us a lecture about the three different types of karma. I'm sure someone (or many) here can tell us what they were, but I always called them shlubda (kind of Yiddish sounding), brubbda, and parubdha karma. One type was the vast mountain range of karma we had accumulated over all our lifetimes, another was the karma we were creating while here in the body, the third kind was the the karma we were living out while here (please feel free to correct me on any of this if you know something different to be true, at least according to this particular exposition). Bauhoffer went on to describe the fact that before we entered into a new body, in that transition between one body and the next, we stood, with our suitcsae, looked over the mountain range of karma we had accumulated, and decided what to pit in the suitcase to take with us into our next life-who our parents were going to be, family, life situations, all the things we decided to work out in the next life. And then we came in and we had to work this stuff out. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: On TTC in Mallorca, Jan-June 1971, Brahmarishi Devarat and his son (who looked like Tonto from the Lone Ranger) were often at meetings and we would ask Devarat question after question and Maharishi was our interpreter. My appeared to be having great fun in this job, he often found Devarat's answers both funny and illuminating. Someone asked him this question-if there is anything we can say to someone who is dying. As near as I can recall, he told us to say, in the person's ear, *wok, wok, wok* I believe it is actually spelled vak and I also think I remember it is translated as *speech* or *sound* I cannot remember the reason for saying this. I know for me, having been in the presence of several people/pets at the moment they made this transition out of life, I have done various things, depending on what was in my heart/mind to do at this time. Sometimes it was whispering the mantras I know (as a TM teacher, and whether or not the person was a TM meditator), sometimes/in addition it was the puja, or om namah shivaya. I would suggest to do something very personal and very meaningful to you at that time. I mean, who really knows. Does anyone think that you can somehow help a person circumvent their personal karma just by saying the right thing at their moment of death? I can't remember whether I heard this first hand or not, but apropos of your last line, I remember MMY saying something to the effect that since one cannot circumvent, as you put it, one's karma, it is best to reflect upon your deeds and actions of this lifetime because that is what is going to determine the next lifetime anyway and by reflecting on them, it will propell you that much faster to where you're going anyway. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: From a friend. Anyone know the answer to this?: I've heard that there is some phrase that helps someone passing on.that is to be whispered to them as they pass. Do you know of this? Looks like we will be leaving for () tonight as my husband¹s dad won't be around much longermaybe not even 24 hours. I don't think I can do a puja there but I remember someone somewhere telling me about this phrase. Thanks. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] David Lynch-Sharon Stone sittin in a tree, k-i-s-s-i-n-g
Eegads, is that what world peace has now come down to, cigarette smoking violence/esx in movies crotch baring celebrities? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peace just a breath away, says Sharon Stone Mar 20 11:12 AM US/Eastern Email this story A peaceful co-existence between the peoples of the Middle East is but a breath away, Hollywood star Sharon Stone said after a highly publicized visit to Israel. It feels to me that we have an opportunity ... to choose understanding in a new way, she told a press conference in Paris when asked about her trip. And it really is just a breath. It's just an agreement that's just a breath. We are not far apart. We can choose to have this alternative kind of growth that is a collective nuance of understanding. We are just that breath away from a peaceful co-existence, she added after her visit to Israel as a guest of the Peres Center for Peace, a foundation run by Nobel laureate and former Israeli prime minister Shimon Peres. Stone, 48, who visited several projects aimed at promoting peace, including a kindergarten for Israeli and Palestinian children in Jaffa, was also photographed praying at the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem, the holiest Jewish shrine. Stone, who is also an ardent champion of women's rights, was in Paris ahead of the release of her latest film Basic Instinct II. She told journalists that she was delighted that women were stepping up to take their place in the world, taking on new jobs to which they brought something unique, their feminine instinct. This is a new and very exciting time for women, because women by their very nature are creative and not destructive. And this is an extraordinary and important thing that we can bring into a world that awaits the opportunity for peace. - Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Veggie subscription program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm out of range -- I'm sure there's somebody on this list who will sign up. Bob You still in Bakersfield (or thereabouts)? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ides of March Attachment Test :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just for the record, Michael has done his share of picking on in the past--big-time, in fact. I can't recall whether you were ever on TMNews or TMControversy, but he used to go ballistic on occasion on those forums when someone disagreed with him and blast them to kingdom come. I'm glad you bring this up. It is Michael Dean Goodman you are speaking of, right? I've seen him around town (FF) at various times, and I think he is sleazy and arrogant but is very very good at casting himself as very knowledgeable and righteous. It's why for me, every time I see one of his goody-goody posts describing how perfectly and purely he views things it really gets my hackles (what is a hackle?) up. snip I've said before: Life is tough enough when everyone does their absolute darndest to be honest. There is ZERO excuse for making it more difficult by being dishonest, and I don't think anybody should be willing to tolerate it. But there is no way to enforce honesty in a forum, except if it moderated, and that nobody really wants. Well, depending on what you mean by enforce. General, strongly expressed disapproval from the participants in a forum can be a powerful incentive to clean up one's act. So there is no other way, then to exit at one point the discussion, and leave it for the reader to decide himself what to think of it. Because I think, it is that you want to be represented correctly in the eyes of OTHERS, the supposed anonymus onlooker. Actually I'm far more interested in Barry being represented correctly to others. You know that I call Barry on his lack of honesty with regard to other participants (yourself included) and to nonpersonal topics, not just with regard to what he says about me. Of course I do it with what he says about me as well, but that's more because I'm in a better position to point out his lack of honesty where I'm concerned than where anybody else is concerned. I know what I've said and done and believe, so I know exactly what his misrepresentations involve. For yourself, you obviously know the truth, your opponent obviously, is intent on misrepresentation or simply incapable of seeing things differently. Why then, don't you take the attitude, that the reader is mature himself, and would look through the game? It isn't a matter of maturity, it's a matter of keeping track. In many cases you forget what someone actually said or did, so when Barry lies about it, you're not necessarily going to spot the lies. There's also an underlying sense--which may or may not be accurate but does have some influence on how people see things--that if one doesn't rebut something someone else has said, it's because one doesn't *have* a rebuttal, that silence constitutes acquiescence, and that what the person has said must be accurate. It is actually personal strength to do so. And its weakness to continue on and on. (Thats true for myself as well of course) Truely speaking, Judy, your reputation would be much better, if you would simply know when to stop, The only reputation I'm interested in for myself is that of honesty, Michael. I don't care whether people here like me or consider me a good person, as long as they recognize that I'm an honest person. if you simply would get out of an argument, once it gets personal. Because from the pure facts, your posts are always right on. Leave it at that, and don't spoil the good image later on. There is also now the habbit, of not editing old comments out, which makes posts difficult to read, just to not be accused that one would 'erase something being said', but its all in the archives anyway. That's true, but it's not that easy to dig posts out of the archive on Yahoo. That alternate archive site is a lot better, but it's a pain to have to switch back and forth from Yahoo to that site. With Google Groups, consulting the archives is vastly more efficient than with Yahoo Groups, and you can see the text of recent posts in a thread all on one page. (Google's interface has many other problems with ease of reading, though.) Anyway, I used to be scrupulous about deleting quoted material, but I've gotten lax about it because so many other people don't bother. I'm going to try to go back to doing that. Before I came back here, I was sometime spending to edit Wikipedia, especially the german version, especially articles on Hinduism. Its a good experience. There is also a diversity of views, there are 'edit-wars', but all in all, there are rules to go by, like one important rule is NPOV that is neutral point of view. That is things have to be always presented without giving personal judgments. You always have to allow representing both sides, positive and negative. I think doing this is a good exercise.(besides its very
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference
The thing is, if Maharishi is so enlightened, then all of his actions are guided by Nature and the responses of Nature to his actions, which are guided by Nature, are also guided by Nature. This would mean that the questions asked by the reporters were just the response of Nature and Maharishi's anger/frustration (whatever!) were the response to Nature as well. Not to mention that as an enlightened being, there is no binding influence of action and everything he says and does has only a good influence at all levels of creation. So why are so many panties getting ruffled about this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Anyone who thinks that a reporter for a respected newspaper is going to take some kind of sick delight in putting an elderly, frail and obviously sick man on the spot...well, that's pretty sick in itself. If he had wanted to make MMY look bad, there are so many other things he could have asked about--the shady business dealings, the feud with the Kaplans involving the misappropriation of tens of millions, Mia Farrow, why MMY is banned from so many countries, and on and on. But he didn't. If anyone was disrespectful during the interview, it was MMY, not the reporter, who seemed to go out of his way several times to be as polite as possible, and to let MMY know that he was welcome back in England any time. What he said. He could tell that MMY was getting upset about the topic. He chose to keep going, which is his right, and assuming he had some important question to ask, his responsibility. But... was he asking that question in order to get a serious answer, or to see how MMY would react? Either, I suspect. Good copy either way. And I don't know how upset MMY could have been when he kept allowing the reporter to ask question after question. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 3/15/06 11:42 AM, wayback71 at wayback71@ wrote: I recall thast the meeting with MMY was for teachers/ governors only, so if you weren't teaches yet, you probaboy would not have been put on buses and sent over to S Fallsburg. But he said he was in S. Fallsburg already. What kind of TBs *are* you guys? The fact that some people saw him there and some didn't is proof of his mastery of the invisibility siddhi. :-) Kinda like one of your former teachers, eh? Some clearly saw him shape shifting and some cleary did not! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit
The bulk of the people who have chosen to remain in FF, after pretty much having severed their ties to the MIU/MUM way of life are anything but Plain Folks. Following Lady Saints (not that there's anything wrong with that), doing fire yagyas and the like, and the myriad host of other types of spiritual pursuits in the midst of cornfields and hog farms and soon to be hog factories, is not normal Plain Folks to the normal Plain Folks that have lived there for many generations. I'm not saying one is better than the other, but these alternate groups in FF would fit far better in Seattle or Santa Fe or Woodstock or Madison, WI, etc. I think that there would be no real reason to stay in FF once the university closed down (but what do I know) but many of the people now in FF have been there for 20+ years, have friendships, families, etc. and not enough money to start all over at age 50+. While many have left the control of TM/MIU-MUM, etc. they have continued to use this sense of us-them as a reason/cause celebre for many of the activities of their lives. How many would be able to handle it if, after all these years, this reason evaporated? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'd start saying bye-bye to MUM if I were you. If they lose a multi-million-dollar lawsuit in addition to having no students, I'd bet that Fairfield is very quickly going to have no official TM presence. 1) I doubt if they will lose the university regardless of how the lawsuit goes; Yes, someone has already pointed this out. 2) it would be very sad for Fairfield if MUM went away, don't you agree? Not really. So you don't think that MUM has any positive impact on the town? I don't live there, so I can't say. I'm sure it had a positive economic impact on the town, but I've also read here about the university using its clout to ban meetings of other spiritual groups, to ban people who attend meetings of other groups from the university and its meditation halls, and other such garbage. I doubt that anyone in the town, even if they practice TM, would miss that sort of intrusive control-freak behavior if it went away. I'm sure there would be an impact. TMers there would have to learn to live like Just Plain Folks instead of Ru's. On the other hand, they would *get* to learn to live like Just Plain Folks instead of Ru's, and I think that in the long run that would be a good thing. But as someone pointed out, the insurance company will probably take the hit on this one, and the university will stick around, at least until Maharishi gets a whim up his butt and decides it shouldn't. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question is, why are you so desperate to prove TM isn't effortless? It might be asked (in fact I think I'll do that) why you, authfriend, find something wrong with every single thing Turqoise says. And he vice-versa. It seems to never end. She's going to have to find a way to characterize anyone who prefers something other than TM as a failure. Oh? It's the corollary of sticking with the only thing you've ever learned as a way of convincing yourself you're a success. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ides of March Attachment Test :-)
Barry I've read these groups, starting with amt, going back as near as I can remember to the mid 90s, I know you two, and Lawson in his own way, have been at it for a long time. What I don't really understand is why you both choose to remain at it? It seems to me (but what do I know) that you would be able to, perhaps mustering together some self-control hitherto unbeknownst to yourself(ves) to simply ignore each other. I certainly cannot remember Judy ever agreeing with anything you've said. One thing I have noticed, a real difference between you two, is you tend to be a lot *sloppier* in how you say things which gives someone with precision targeting capabilities the opportunity to hone in and criticize. You might not be interested in taking a writing class and learning how to really say what you want to say in a very precise way, maybe that wouldn't suit your style, but you do seem very chameleonlike in your posts, always kinda sorta changing your pt of view. You seem to go out of your way to provoke Judy knowing full well that if you say things a certain way it's going to cause her to respond then you, etc. It's a very strange dynamic, one that should cause us all to view the dynamics as if we were looking in a mirror-how would we compare to this. I know it's done that for me, caused me to look at just how knee-jerk my reactions are in some of my relationships. Like i will not allow people to be viewed any differently by me, I look for reasons to attack them. That's how Judy appears to me in your regard and you appear to go out of your way to provide a target. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: The question is, why are you so desperate to prove TM isn't effortless? It might be asked (in fact I think I'll do that) why you, authfriend, find something wrong with every single thing Turqoise says. And he vice-versa. It seems to never end. You should feel what it's like from my side. :-) She's been cyberstalking me for ten years now, *admittedly* with some provocation from my side. But let's try a little experiment. I'll say absolutely *nothing* about Judy for the rest of March, and not respond to anything she says. Let's see how well she can do during that same period. It's the willpower test of champions :-) Will the champion of effortless meditation actually *have* any willpower, or has the effortlessness made her mind so lazy she has no control over her own behavior? Will the champion of concentration meditation actually have the ability to focus on keeping his word? Only time will tell, but my bet is that her Jones for trashing me is so strong that she'll refuse to partici- pate in the test. If she does, my bet is that she'll last about as long as Kramer did in the Seinfeld master of my domain contest, and for similar reasons. :-) :-) :-) Starting right now for moi. If Judy isn't afraid to go for it, she has one last post in which to respond to this and dump all her remaining vitriol... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the news for those who would go into an orgy of delight if MUM folded is . . . it ain't gonna happen. For those who live in Fairfield, go take a look at the new construction going on there. MUM is in a growth phase. Sorry to disappoint you all. whoopdi-do, there is new construction going on. What was wrong with the old campus? That place was a beehive of activity for years, vital, fun, great place to meet and greet friends, no matter which way you turned you had great friends. Everything was staphatya-Vedically, ayurvedically incorrect, and yet the community was vital and thriving. Since the advent of Stapathya Veda the place reminds me of a Madame Blavatsky convention, a bunch of aged dour looking people. Every single successful business I can think of went bankrupt AFTER they built and occupied Stapatya Vedic buidlings. The campus itself went stapathya Vedic and now there are like 100 students occupying a 200 acre campus, 2 acres per student. It's a ghost town, soon it will resemble a Hindu Ghost Town, nice buildings run by skinny, pale people who will eventually simply fade into the ether they so longingly desire (but what do I know?). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Rick sounds like the Bush Administration, wanting to liberate subject peoples. Has it occurred to anyone on this board that people who live at MUM might actually enjoy the experience? That's why they live there! May heaven save us from self-appointed liberators. Rick was expressing a thought about what might happen to some people at MUM, not taking any forcable actions to liberate them, which is not only contrary to the B-admin but to MUM which uses various threatening actions to keep people in place. Of course most people at mum enjoy it, though everyone here knows someone who did feel liberated after leaving campus and its particular type of group think. PS - I can't find my earlier post that I hear MUM has insurance coverage to cover lawsuit liabilities and will most likely not be seriously affected financially by the suit. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 3/14/06 9:48 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) it would be very sad for Fairfield if MUM went away, don't you agree? Not really. Might be good for it. Something more interesting may take over the university. Fairfield is well established as an eclectic spiritual community independent of the university. If the U were to fold, it might liberate a lot of people there who need a bit of a shakeup in their lives - who need to step outside the box and reevaluate things. I'm not hoping for this to happen. It would be fine with me if the university got thousands of students, were crawling with pundits, etc. But it wouldn't be the end of Fairfield if it did happen. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ides of March Attachment Test :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It isn't just sloppiness by any means, although that's certainly a factor. The major problem is his deliberate disregard for accuracy and penchant for intentional misrepresentation. Yah, that is what I meant/included (in my mind) when I used the term *sloppiness.* Going back to your earlier question, how long would *you* continue to correct repeated deliberate misrepresentations of your behavior and beliefs? Would you eventually just give up and allow the person to lie about you freely? Yup, that is exactly what I would do. Have you noticed that Michael Dean Goodman gets criticized for his posts and he, as near as I can recall, has never once reacted. I think (but what do I know!?) it would be a major departure into growth if you were able to stop reacting to Barry. I mean we all know/can predict how every interaction involving you two is going to go. It's tiresome. It's pointless, except to you two. You might not be interested in taking a writing class and learning how to really say what you want to say in a very precise way, maybe that wouldn't suit your style, but you do seem very chameleonlike in your posts, always kinda sorta changing your pt of view. This last is actually a tactic. The goal is to score points by dumping on somebody else and/or exalting himself. The context and content are irrelevant; whatever position achieves this goal in any given exchange is the one he'll take, regardless of whether it conflicts with what he said the day before, or even the post before (sometimes even the paragraph before, in the very same post). And when called on this, he'll exalt himself as someone who isn't bound by the petty strictures of consistency (as the person who called him on it is, natch). It's a scam, one he's been running for the ten-plus years I've known him. You seem to go out of your way to provoke Judy knowing full well that if you say things a certain way it's going to cause her to respond then you, etc. It's a very strange dynamic, one that should cause us all to view the dynamics as if we were looking in a mirror-how would we compare to this. I know it's done that for me, caused me to look at just how knee-jerk my reactions are in some of my relationships. Like i will not allow people to be viewed any differently by me, I look for reasons to attack them. That's how Judy appears to me in your regard and you appear to go out of your way to provide a target. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] New Sexy Sadie Story
The other account I got at a Ramtha retreat from a woman I came to know. (She sat next to me for the whole event and was my partner for psychic exercises.) This is a woman who is high-up in the Ramtha movement. Ramtha calls her Old Woman because he says she was like his grandmother in another life. When I mentioned I used to do TM, this woman said, Oh! Maharishi! What a sweetie! I just love him! I assumed she had done TM, but she said t hat was not the case. She said she went to one talk that he gave in the early days, the days before all the crowds. He kept looking at her during the lecture and afterwards asked her to stay behind. When everyone had left, he said, Who are you? She told him her name and where she was from. He said, I mean, who ARE you? and she didn't know how to respond to that. Then he invited her to come to his room. When they were there, they talked a little, and when she got ready to go, she stood up and gave him a friendly hug. (This woman is a hugger and not the type to be in awe of anybody.) Maharishi reacted with surprise, then hurried to the door and locked it. He turned around and said with agitation, You must never tell anyone you touched me! Then he asked her to massage him, which she, being the huggy-touchy-feely type, obliged him by doing. She wasn't interested in him sexually. She saw him as just this cute little man. But when she was rubbing his back, she says he started shaking and quivering all over. She realized at that point something sexual was going on for him and beat a hasty retreat. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self
G. Fool I think you are right-1979 is what I remembered also. AnonyFF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It must have been a different year, Rick, because MMY was not at South Fallsburg in person at any time during my three-month stay. I remember a capitol lady telling all the citizens that MMY had just *called* the governors and told them they would all be hovering the next summer. I believe MMY came to the US the next year, in 1978, or in early 1979. Maybe the conference was later than 1977? --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/11/06 11:13 PM, gullible fool at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When was that conference, Rick? I know there was a two-week conference with about 120 governors in September 1977, at which time I was on block three of my citizen sidhis course. Was MMY calling from Europe at the time? I don't recall ever hearing of him being in South Fallsburg. That was it. He was there in person. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self
Shemp You're welcome. Be aware that it's a paraphrase. up until the three dots (...) it's pretty acurate, after that it sums up what he said in kinda sorta those words. Maybe Rick can add to it to make it more accurate. Curly --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: [snip] Every day is life. We don't postpone the present based on the hopes of a more glorious future...It doesn't just happen all at once, it's a process...what makes you think that if you don't enjoy the process you will enjoy being in Unity Consciousness... [snip] What a fabulous quote. Thanks for publishing it! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: Don't you all get tired of this endless inquiry-sSelf or otherwise? Wasn't the initial instruction meditate and act without intellectualizing life? Wasn't it once Everyday is life, we don't pass up the present based on the hopes of a more glorious future...what makes you think you'll enjoy Unity Consciousness if you're not enjoying the process of getting there... MMY (paraphrase) Maybe, to just remind you that this forum is not excluding non TM practitionars. Self-inquiry is just a different path. The initial instruction has long been superceded with so many newer instructions from Galactic Command that you need to be OCD to stay on the program these days. That was my revelation of the week - how many TBs I know in town are actually obsessive-compulsive. They demonstrate it in stereotypical ways like collecting things and phobias, but I see now why they've gotten deeper into tmo while I've been distancing - they actually eat up all the mov't rules about living: which yagyas to do at which time of the year after having eaten which dosha balancing food while wearing which color gem, after doing which sutras in which order at which time while being careful to avoid which other bad vib people or places while living in their gold and beige rectangle facing east ... It feeds/placates obsessiveness. Anyway, that's why many people in ffld got influenced by self-inquiry stuff, which is actually so much less intellectual than what they were used to and in most cases was a springboard to a more simple, inner centered approach to spiritual life. My obsession of the week -- I still don't get rus who pick and choose MMY quotes from the 60s that they like, but ignore everything else he's been saying in copius volumes for the past 20 yrs. Mark At least in reference to the quote I paraphrased above, I don't kinow if it's that everything else of the last 20+ years is being ignored as opposed to considering how much more balanced that partucular advice offered by MMY was, especially, as you point out, to all the confining persnickety rules since. AnonyFF Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: Where we want to take our people.
Has anyone ever told Maharishi ever that of the thousands who moved and left FF, many many many people become more impoverished than ever and, it seems, for many, the longer they stayed on this *wonderful program to smash poverty* the more poverty stricken they became? It's still both unfathomable to me (and others) and unconscionable (is that a word?!) of him that he/TM org. could still be making this claim. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All from December 1, 2005: Maharishi: How do you smash poverty? You take poverty to the extreme level, where there is absolutely nothing. And you have smashed poverty. And when there is absolutely nothing, you find absolutely everything. And that is real richness. Real richness is real richness. Underline this thing a thousand times. Real richness is not in the countable wealth -- million, billion, trillion, and whatever -- it's not in terms of wealth. In terms of the source of all wealth. Source of infinite wealth. That you desire and the thing is there. You wish -- the thing is there. That is real wealthy. And to this class we want to raise the poor. ...It's not concerned with countable coins and wealth, but it is in terms of that affluence which is a field of all possibilities. All wealth is an aspect of it. But wealth is not -- alone -- total life. There is power. There is power. And there is knowledge. And there is bliss. ...Our poverty removal is -- removal of anything that may not be totality. Removal of anything that is not totality. And that is one's own self-sufficiency. One's own consciousness. One's own consciousness. And that is predominantly a matter of attention. Attention. ...We have the program of poverty removal, and this is in terms of the worldly understanding of it. But when we know from where we are functioning for these, and where we want to take our people, we want to take our people -- not to a wealth which can be minimized, or which can be stolen away, or which can be a cause of pains and tears. But a level where bliss is moving, where the waves are the waves of bliss. . Dreaming state of consciousness is -- something is seen in terms of something else. There is a tree, and you see it like a lion jumping on you. This is dream. sp; Something is seen as something else. God Consciousness is also: something seen in terms of something else. You see a mango tree, and you see Krishna is there, and you see this Vishnu is there. Something seen in terms of something else. That is God Consciousness. God Consciousness. Something seen as something else. You see something, but you see God in it. You see something -- God in it. . Poverty means a man is poor. That means he has less money. Now when we want him to have more money, our program is to completely deprive him of anything that even he has now. And that we say -- that is our program to eliminate poverty. He has some money -- he is poor. Now we want him to have more money. The program is: To deprive him for whatever he has -- take him to a vacuum state. Take him to the hollowness. To nothingness. To abstraction. To unmanifest. And show -- prove to him that he has everything. He got everything. In one sense we take him to nothingness. And in the same sense, miraculously, we put him to deprivation of nothingness. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi
Personally I think that MDG is a moodmaker who feels compelled to tell us all how great he is (repeatedly and ad nauseum) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I liked this post a lot. It is an honest account of Goodman's personal path and of his own insights and discriminations. I find Goodman's relationship to MMY have similar qualities than the TM-teacher I meet every now and then at lunch. That teacher has done the re-certification course. All the apparent absurdities in the movement don't bother him. He is somehow happily beyond them. There is something very beautiful and innocent in his relationship to MMY. The absurdities of the movement seem to have had a softening and moulding effect on his earlier quite rigid beliefs and attachments. I respect his devotion very much and I consider him to be doing fine. To be a `true believer' in this way is a fine and beautiful thing. To be a TB in a way as to using one's only right belief as a justification to morally low actions, and abuse and control of others is an distorted form, but quite common. This form of the TB phenomenon has mostly been discussed here and this discussion is very important. My main criticism is of Goodman's post is that he tries to make wrong this kind of discussion. Or at least he claims reasoning in those lines to be at the same level as the fundamentalist's reasoning, only from the opposite direction. I disagree. Sometimes fundamentalism can become wrapped in rigid rationality or rationalisations and use of science as religion. In those cases his criticism is appropriate, otherwise not. I also disagree with the idea that no one is objective until they are re-established in the Self. I claim that we cannot even then be fully objective, to be representing the absolute truth. The absolute is beyond the manifest phenomenal world. When the I becomes established in the transcendental, it becomes very stable and dis-identified with ideas of oneself, gross or subtle emotions etc. This I has no form, not even truth as we understand it. This kind of I does not so easily identify with subjective states and therefore it is capable of looking at also internal phenomenon from a stable and calm position. It is very difficult to hurt this kind of I. Still it also always looks at things from a perspective, maybe from several perspectives, but never from all the possible and valid perspectives. I agree fully of the importance of surrendering the gross level calculating intellect as an ultimate guiding light. We cannot evolve to higher ways of being, or stages of development by relying on our intellect. Our intellect can create only variations of structures familiar to us. If we want to evolve we have to surrender and let ourselves to be guided. But simultaneously our discriminative capacity and sound judgement are great assets in avoiding pitfalls while surrendering. Otherwise surrendering may insidiously change to regression. And we start using intellect to find justifications to our morally low actions. However the reality is usually more complicated than this division because often surrender and regression are both present and we are not capable of discriminating them from each other. I also personally feel to be strongly guided. Not by any single being in physical form, present or past, rather by all of them. I have also surrendered to and am also guided by the transcendental that is beyond my understanding and intellect. Irmeli --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman Tantra@ wrote: THE STRUGGLE OF INDIVIDUALITY TO PERPETUATE ITS ILLUSION I feel compassionately sad whenever I meet those who still cling to the idea that their individuality (individual intellect) can guide them to the goal of realization, of remembering, of waking up again to Reality. They're sure that they don't need a guide on the path, don't need to surrender control, don't need to ask for help, and don't need to embrace their intellect's incompetence and impotence to handle the job. They are sure that their relative, finite intellect, bound in the world of space and time, can grok and master infinity, the field without boundaries, far beyond the ken of the relative intellect. That is delusion, that is arrogance of the deepest kind, that is the very essence of ignorance. Their individual ego/intellect has convinced them to trust it (not only to trust it, but to actually believe that they ARE it), and to never entertain the idea that the ego/intellect's assertion of its importance and ability to guide them back home IS ITSELF THE VERY CRUX OF THE PROBLEM, the very core of the ignorance. HIRING THE THIEF TO CATCH THE THIEF It is like hiring the master cat burglar (albeit in his clever dis- guise as the 'great detective') to solve the string of (his) burglar- ies. The great
[FairfieldLife] John Black's raja-hood
My understanding of John Black and how he got on the raja course comes from a person who was friends with John's sister. I was told that the Black in Black and Decker tools was John's family/dad who die about a year or two ago and left mondo money. FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/10/06 11:26 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And now he's a raja and Maharishi has changed his name from Black to Bright, so let that be a lesson for all those of lesser faith! Did he need a million for his rajahood? I'm sure he did. Probably some Silicon Valley benefactor sent him. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Fatigue of the Non-Self
Don't you all get tired of this endless inquiry-sSelf or otherwise? Wasn't the initial instruction meditate and act without intellectualizing life? Wasn't it once Everyday is life, we don't pass up the present based on the hopes of a more glorious future...what makes you think you'll enjoy Unity Consciousness if you're not enjoying the process of getting there... MMY (paraphrase) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/9/06 1:22 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even M. admitted this at Estes Park--that TM required some effort. So what did he say exactly? He quoted some verse from the Vedas, which maybe Cardemeister can find, which reads, Be easy to us with gentle effort. This might not seem totally germaine but it does to me. At my six month course back in 1976, where Maharishi removed the fetters of time re: meditation-meaning he told us we could meditate for as long as we wanted. He cautioned us to be kind to our mantras-he said we would be thinking them so much that we could get mad at them. This helped substantiate the sense of irritation I already sometimes felt towards my mantra and have since then as well. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: St Louis judges sentence dubes to TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Nope. The judges don't have the money to pay for probationers' instruction fees, so Anklesaria is doing it off the ranch. The TMO is not suing him because the probationers would not ordinarily be TM customers, not having the money or inclination to start TM outside of the context of being sentenced to do so. This is a contrast to the case of the Florida TM teacher being sued for siphoning off regular TM customers in an area with an active TM center. This is backwards. Mike Scozzari has had a steady stream of people learning TM for many years now, 5000, which is quite a lot. Now that the official re-certs are in, charging $2500, and closing Scozzari down, there will be zero customers learning TM. To my eyes, it's the TM org. doing the siphoning off. Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What you see you become
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What you see you become Shiksha talk, 25.1.06 Sounds like the name of a new tv show with a non-Jewish lady (shiksa) hosting. MAHARISHI: Shiksha is that which brings total knowledge to human awareness. It unfolds. It doesn`t do anything. It just doesn`t do anything. It informs. And it makes you not only intellectual understand in an abstract manner but opens your eyes and see. Move your head and touch it. Smell it. Taste it. Experience it. In the whole structure of experience one should know that anything that one experiences one becomes it. You become what you experience. You actually become what you experience. That is why the Vedic field is very very sensitive what you are allowed to see, what you are not allowed to see, on these surface behavioural values of life. Very sensitive because of what you see you become. Anything you see you become it. When you see anything that thing jumps and occupies you in your eyes. When you hear something you have it on your ears. The physiology is an instrument on which the imprint of the object of sight comes. And that is what makes you to see it. The same thing is true in the field of knowing. What you know intellectually you become it. What you know you become it. When you know there is treasury under your room then you are a millionaire. As long as you don`t know... So Shiksha unfolds. Unfolding, what it unfolds ultimately, it unfolds cosmic total knowledge in the little human brain. That is human life. This is education. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: Speaking of free meditation techniques, here is a list of the places Amma's IAM meditation is being taught. This page is updated constantly as new courses are organized. There is sometimes a small fee to cover meals or the instructors travel: http://www.amma.org/events/iam.html From the Vipassana Meditation Website (http://www.dhamma.org/): Wow, it is worth going to that site and finding your way to the structure of one of these 10 day courses. That is a lot more severe than any course I've even been on and that includes Minister Training in Thailand which was the most austere course I was ever on. The technique of Vipassana Meditation is taught at ten-day residential courses during which participants learn the basics of the method, and practice sufficiently to experience its beneficial results. There are no charges for the courses - not even to cover the cost of food and accommodation. All expenses are met by donations from people who, having completed a course and experienced the benefits of Vipassana, wish to give others the opportunity to also benefit. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Regarding Promises Made and Broken (by the TM org)
At the end of my TTC, in June, 1971, I vaguely remember Jerry Jarvis dictating sometning to us in which we promised to work for the Students International Meditation Society (SIMS), International Meditation Society (IMS) and Spiritual Regeneration Movement (SRM). I don't thihk Jerry liked having to add SRM in! Peter's point about the movement NOT keeping it's promises is a MAJOR point in many people's minds. In fact, in my opinion, it's the primary reason so many of us have had to bail out in various ways at various times. Here are Some of the major promises I can recall being made and the movement squelching on. Anyone who can think of others please post them. 1) Initiators were asked to *loan* the movement their ATR resources to go out on peace projects to Nicaragua and Iraq (others please chime in here). We were PROMISED we would get it all back. For some people who had accumulated a couple of thousand dollars of ATR credit this was a massive loss. 2) In 1982, in order to induce people to move to Fairfield, Maharishi, with his own mouth, promised all those who would be good enough to pack up their lives, lock stock and barrell, and move to Fairfield to help establish a group of 1600 would have *wealth and wisdom* squared. I know for myself, and many hundreds of others who ended up, a mere few years later living in abject poverty, doing the shittiest of jobs in sub-zero weather, living in sh*Tholes, and eventually having to leave and get a life, this promise never occurred. 3) People, self-included, who were on Vedic Atoms, were sent to go to the giant Vedic Science course in India. Many hundreds of people got really sick and ended up having to leave. I left after 9 weeks. I was told I had to pay the movement back $3000 or I would never be allowed on a course again. Who got called and forced into this situation was totally arbitrary. 4) I know people, actual real people, who paid the $3000 and then a year later were told they had to pay back $3000. When they told the movement that they already had, they were told there was no record of it and some people actually paid it back twice. I was one of the people who actually paid the money, I got one of these calls, and fortunately (and amazingly) I had the receipt for the money order. I wish now I'd never paid it back. 5) In the beginning of 1988, Maharishi set up a Vedic Health Practitioner Training course in Seelsiberg, Switzerland. In a conference call with him, that I and many many others heard, he PROMISED that all those people who went on that course would gain both the knowledge AND ability to diagnose and treat people the ayurvedic way and when we got back, just six weeks later, we would be trained to earn a good living. All that happened, as far as I can tell, is we spent another $4000, certainly the PROMISE was not fulfilled. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 bmorry2000@ wrote: we definitely signed something in 1977 when I became a teacher agreeing only to teach within the movement. but, never got a copy for our own reference. A reminder of a promise made. POssibly not legally binding, but should give one pause, IMHO, before setting out as an independent teacher. This has nothing to do with trademarks, as far as I know. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 3/6/06 10:06:46 A.M. Central Standard Time, fairfieldlife@ writes: on 3/5/06 11:38 PM, Marek Reavis at reavismarek@ wrote: I was made a teacher in Fiuggi in June of 1972. I'm pretty sure I remember Jerry talking to us at some point about our obligations to the teaching and Maharishi in a somewhat legal-sounding way but I know that we never signed any document. I was made a teacher in Estes Park, December, 1970, and we signed one. I was made an initiator also in June 1972 in Fiuggi and we never signed anything. We were read a long vow, so to speak, by Jerry, to agree to teach TM only within the confines of the TM movement as I recall. I don't remember if the vow was too Maharishi or to the laws of Nature or just what. I had been rounding for 9 months and didn't have an attorney to explain to me what I was verbally agreeing to and never saw it in writing. I know it contained a phrase to the effect of on the altar of Guru Dev... I was Seelisberg, 1973 having started out in LaAntilla, then Punta Umbria. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach
[FairfieldLife] FFL only in the US
Hey Rick, Did you know FFL is only visible from the US yahoo site? Anyone searching yahoo groups in Britain, Australia, France etc for Fairfield Life or Transcendental Meditation won't find this group. I don't know if you can change this, or if you want to... Scorpianon Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL only in the US
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/5/06 9:51 AM, anonyff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Rick, Did you know FFL is only visible from the US yahoo site? Anyone searching yahoo groups in Britain, Australia, France etc for Fairfield Life or Transcendental Meditation won't find this group. I don't know if you can change this, or if you want to... Is this a recent development? If not, how did all you out-of-US folks find us? We have people signing up from India and places like that all the time. Or at least we did. I would like to fix this if we can. I don't know if it's always been like that, but I found FFL in 2002 via yahoo.com, but couldn't find it via yahoo.co.uk. After I signed up I forgot about it, until now. Scorpianon Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL only in the US
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/5/06 1:55 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: http://tinyurl.com/zp6up But that's a search in Yahoo itself, not the Russian equivalent of groups.yahoo.com. Or does each country which has a customized Yahoo have a customized Yahoo Groups home page? That may be the answer, Rick. It seems clear that the Yahoo search engine in these various countries does not have access to the same search database that the US Yahoo search engine has. There may be a simple way to construct a home page for FFL on each of the country-specific sites that would correct this. That's an interesting idea. A FFL home page could be created on each of these, but the description would ask people to go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ to participate. Good idea. Maybe a home page (independent of yahoo) which redirects people to the yahoo group page would catch people who search from google, altavista etc. I've just tried, and a search for fairfield life on altavista finds the group page at number 4 (not bad) but google doesn't seem to find it at all. But of course, they could do that directly, and may be in the habit of going to http://groups.yahoo.com/ if their national equivalent didn't have a very wide list of offerings. They might go to the US site instead of their other national site, or they might just search on their national site and think that'll find everything there is. I'm a reasonably savvy internet user and it took me a while to work out that yahoo offers different groups in different countries. Hmmm, does too much TM make you stupid, or is it just me? Scorpianon Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/5/06 4:18 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember seeing a TV program many years ago where authorities (I think they were police) could identify where a person was from by having them read a paragraph that had key words in it that by the way the people pronounced each word could pinpoint where the speaker was from. I can't remember whether it was because the speaker was reluctant to say where they were from or whether the speaker had amnesia. Remember Prof. Henry Higgins in My Fair Lady I had an anatomy professor 30+ years ago (pre-med program) who could tell where in the world your ancestry was from by the shape of your skull. I don't know if it was pure luck or not, but he knew exactly where in Eastern Europe my family descended from and he seemed to be able to do this as if it was magic. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Raja course
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: From a friend: I'm trying to locate the discussion on FFL about the Raja training course, specifically the web site that had the photos of the rajas and their wives. I tried searching for it, but Yahoo seems to time out after searching a small section of the message base. Do you know a way to get to these messages? Using Yahoo's search, the way to get to them is Patience. It'll search only 500 or so messages at one go, then you have to tell it to search the next batch. Below where it says the search timed out, it says: Find more results for this search by clicking the button below. Underneath that is a button that says Search More. The traffic on this forum is so high, it takes for-bloody-EVER to find a message from some months ago. While the posts on this can be found in about 10 seconds with mail-archive, http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/ the actual link to the coronation pics appears to no longer have them displayed. (But some nice pics of other things.) http://pictures.globalgoodnews.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: judy writes: snipped And if he didn't, was it because the state of enlightenment makes everything seem easy and simple *when it really isn't*? Is it possible that the easy and simple sense applies on some level other than the practical one of achieving a goal, but that the person who is enlightened may incorrectly think it applies to achieving the goal? TomT: The easy and simple sense applies only to the awake one. What ever comes or goes is in the relative. What ever they attempt is easy and simple as it just flows. How it unfolds is not revelant. One is only in control of ones action never the fruit. One is never a failure since one attempted to do what the next obvious thing to do seemed apparent. Once the thought appears in the awareness the awake one has the entire range of the act in the relative world available in their awareness at the exact instance of the thought. That is why it appears that an awake one has no desires. I'm sorry, with all due respect I'm going to take great exception to this answer and to all answers that seem to reduce the life/mindset/emotional state of the awake ones to these kinds of pat answers. Years ago, when channeling was in, and everyone was running first to see Ron Scolastico, then everyone was channeling, these are the kinds of answers I used to hear all the time-everyone sounded the f***ing same in the way they were talking about things. You could always tell a) when someone had been to Ron Scolastico b) had become a so-called channeler. Personally, I think there are as many forms of enlightenment as there are people, I think that people still get angry, hungrly, lonely, tired, irritable, sick, and that they act just as spontaneously as anyone/everyone else and that all this constant intellectualizing is a form of severe mental masturbation. What ever happened to meditate and act? Anonyff The full appreceation of the thought includes the fulfilment of the completion. In other words full knowledge of the act in the relative and the full appreciation of the outcome. Kind of neat actually. Desires are now seen as appreciation. No conflict, no unfulfilled desires, no problem. See the thought, do what is obvious, move on to the next obvious thing to do. TOm T Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness
Personally, and in all seriousness, I still believe it is ALL conjecture and overall, I'm sorry I spent so much of my life believing in this stuff. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: I'm sorry, with all due respect I'm going to take great exception to this answer and to all answers that seem to reduce the life/mindset/emotional state of the awake ones to these kinds of pat answers. snip That's kind of like taking exception to the fact that out of six billion humans on this planet, if they were asked to generally describe themselves, most would include in their description that they had two arms and two legs... Also, keep in mind that Tom is just talking about the *inner* state of the awakened person. As we have read, heard, quoted and thought about, at least a zillion times, from the Gita, it says the state of consciousness of a person can't be determined by their outside actions. Yep, still true. Also, from waking state, or non-awakened state, there is no way to intellectually `get' this sense of true equanimity that Tom describes. It can only be understood as mood-making from waking state. The mind is not permanently satisfied if we are not Awake. Therefore the only way it understands equanimity is to assume a false state of evenness, because it isn't settled. The mind in Unawake state is still at odds with itself. So Tom isn't talking about external actions or fake evenness, he's just stating the obvious about being Awake. Nothing more than ever changing perfect coordination between the person and their ever changing environment. Personally, I think there are as many forms of enlightenment as there are people, I think that people still get angry, hungrly, lonely, tired, irritable, sick, and that they act just as spontaneously as anyone/everyone else Yep, diversity continues, with no attempt at stopping it, categorizing it, slowing it down or thinking about it too much. and that all this constant intellectualizing is a form of severe mental masturbation. What ever happened to meditate and act? I give up, what? Anonyff The full appreceation of the thought includes the fulfilment of the completion. In other words full knowledge of the act in the relative and the full appreciation of the outcome. Kind of neat actually. Desires are now seen as appreciation. No conflict, no unfulfilled desires, no problem. See the thought, do what is obvious, move on to the next obvious thing to do. TOm T Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig wrote: --- Gillam wrote: --- tom traynor wrote: What ever they attempt is easy and simple as it just flows. How it unfolds is not revelant. So I may need to change my belief that Maharishi is acting the way any entrepreneur would, expecting his products and services to be lapped up by a hungry public. If MMY were merely motivated by the entrepreneur's certainty that his offering is great, he'd have given up when it became evident that people didn't care. Instead, MMY has all these plans whose unfolding is irrelevant, so he rolls out plan after plan with no thought to actually making them happen. Actually, the most sucessful entrepreneurs (unlike any ole one) do just that: throw out countless ideas until one sticks. What I'm taking away from this conversation is, entrepreneurs want their enterprises to succeed, but the enlightened just act, without attachment to the result. I was willing to ascribe Maharishi's cheerful pursuit of bad ideas to the this-idea-can't-miss attitude I've seen in people launching new products and services. I was incined to equate his behavior to that I've seen in ordinary mortals, if you will -- the unenlightened. But now that I think about it -- or better yet, read other people's thoughts, saving me the trouble of thinking on my own -- Maharishi's steady supply of unrealistic plans and goofy optimism sounds more like that of an enlightened person flowing with the idea du jour than that of an entrepreneur lusting for the payoff. Well, that is one way to look at it, probably more *enlightened* than my view. I don't think Maharishi acts w/o attachement. I don't think all his damning of democracy, acting petulant when world leaders won't listen to his ideas, etc. are the acts of someone who is non-attached. IMO this whole notion of non-attachment is merely a concept and who knows if anyone here truly even understands it and even if they could, could they really explain it in such a way that the listener would a) be able to truly grok it and b) not be influenced by it to such a degree that they would try emulating this non-attached state thinking that by acting non-attached they actually were non-attached? It all sounds like some ego-Olympics where those who think they get it get to sound off and aggrandize themselves v. simply living the life. From my perspective, people living from this level would be much simpler than all of what goes on here. But that may be/is just my own viewpoint. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness
Tom (anonyff replied): Sorry for the *tone* of my previous post, although I did mean it, in that moment, exactly as I said it. FYI I have been reading and contributing to FF LIfe for at least 2 years and probably more like 3+ (how long has it been around?). I just changed my name and use the anonyff handle because I ended up embarrassed by some of the things I said as myself. I'm willing to acknowlege that at this moment in time, I am experiencing a *limited* very bound version of myself and from there comes my expression of hostility towards those who claim sometning different. (Envy perhaps?) I have had the experience, over the long years, of becoming very unboounded and, as it says in the 9th mandala, liquid, loveable, and wise. It never lasted more than maybe five minutes. During those moments I experienced what I can only describe as an infinite flow, a knowledge that I was infinite, eternal and unbounded. Thanks for your generous reply. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anonyff writes: snipped Personally, I think there are as many forms of enlightenment as there are people, I think that people still get angry, hungrly, lonely, tired, irritable, sick, and that they act just as spontaneously as anyone/everyone else and that all this constant intellectualizing is a form of severe mental masturbation. Tom T: Well not really intellectualizing just trying to answer a question that seemed to have been raised. In the past I have also posted as YES to all the above things you have posted above minus the intellectualizing and mental masturbation comment. If you come in to the middle of a movie you don't always know all the previous dialog. I don't repeat what I may have posted two years ago. To do so would make this a very cumbersome exchange. All I am posting now is a continuation of everything I posted before. I don't see how you can expect to understand everything that goes on here when you pick it up midstream. The relative body still has all the foibles of a relative body. On the other hand is an inner knowingness of all is perfect in the flow of the NOW. This is how it is for me. I am sharing only because it might just open some others to the possibilities. Yours may be totally different. Some here may have a similar view and/or understanding that is not complete for them. Occasionally some here seem to connect with some of my experiences/understandings/knowingness that has increased knowingness for them. My favorite way of explaining it is to think of a Baskins and Robbins store with 6 billion/trillion flavors. You CAN have it your way, Another way to say it is each human has a truly unique set of DNA how could it not be different. TomT Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 6 months to the big E - not life times
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A TM-teacher once said that MMY had said that the TM-Sidhi programme is so effective that even a horse could become enlightened if rounding with for six months. When I first learned TM back in 1969, they had these yellow brochures at the combined SIMS/SRM center located, I think, at 123 E. 78th Street in Manhattan. In those brochures it said we would be enlightened in 5-7 years. I remember planning my getting enlightened out and telling friends how great it would be to be in Cosmic Consciousness at age 26, God Consciousness at age 27, and finally Unity Consciousness at age 28. Thats how it was outlined in the brochure, CC in 5 years, another year for GC, then one final year for UC. Here it is almost 37 years later, HA! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor
Maharishi may never have proclaimed directly that he was a Guru, although that is subject to argument (I contend that he has only I cannot remember any specific instances of this), however, his actions- many many many of his actions-clearly indicate that he considers himself a Guru and the actions of those who serve him clearly indicate the same. I have never seen him discourage people treating him like their supposed Master. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: snip He himself as a 'Guru' is still there. He is the cosmic Guru, not a persona (Dakshinamurty), always available and guiding those serious about their soul-commitment. Everybody else may just speculate, or find his place in the world or in a different spiritual environment, it not within the charge of a single person. MMY has never claimed to ge a *guru*that's personal, and MMY did not come to the West to personally save (enlighten) souls, he came to bring a world teaching, like the Pope of Christianity spreading that, just consider yourself fortunate you happened upon it (TM). P.S. I submit MMY is teaching nothing other than *neo-Hinduism*, hey, the mantras work, what can I say? Is MMY an enlightened Yogisometimes I wonder! BillyG. and yes, the TM program IS a Religion...the best!! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Holy books
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip You, on the other hand, seem to be so *threatened* by these alternative points of view that you go into reactive mode, and seem compelled to put my particular point of view down. Actually no. I just defend POV's which you put down. It's so amusing, because more than anyone on this forum, it's Barry who indulges repeatedly in putting down others' point of view and disrespecting their spiritual path while exalting his own. It's what he *does* here (and did on alt.m.t as well). That may be true, but, at least in my mind/opinion, you are the one that I always think of as putting down other's pov, I guess because you are so persnickety (not that there's anything wrong with that) about holding everyone to the same high standard(s) of discourse that you adhere to. snip But I don't think it's going to take you very far if your first reaction to someone who doesn't share your approach is to attempt to put their point of view down as lesser than yours, and say outright that something is *wrong* with them and missing from their life if they don't think the way that you do. Does Barry really not realize he's describing himself, to a T? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Other than that we can both be abrasive and both loathe what seems to us to be hypocrisy, no. But her abrasiveness and hatred of hypocrisy aren't why I think she's full of it. you abrasive? come on now! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush, selling nuclear tech to India while displaying fake spirituality
I think you have the facts mixed up. Bush is going to India to sell them nuclear technology and, secondarily, in his typical public relations LYING actions will place a wreath at Gandhi's memorial and, apparently, visit the Shankaracharya. It is nothing more than his usual deflection from truth. http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=61488 The plan for Bush to honor Gandhi is even more astonishing given one of the main purposes of Bush's trip -- to cement a deal for U.S. nuclear aid to India, which would violate current U.S. non-proliferation law and has drawn criticism from a host of peace, disarmament and non-proliferation groups. The deal will also be a tough sell to a skeptical Congress, which would need to amend U.S. law to create a loophole to give nuclear technology to India because of its nuclear weapons arsenal. Does Bush think Gandhi would bless one of the main purposes of this trip -- to promote nuclear aid to India? asked Martin. Gandhi abhorred nuclear weapons and would surely call for the U.S. and India to pursue the abolition of nuclear weapons. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bush is going to India and will meet with Spiritual leaders. _http://www.rueters.shank.com/2_ (http://www.rueters.shank.com/2) pge,322.teli.talk.1798.htp Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Camille Paglia is bullshit. Judy, this post seems very unlike you, why do you say this? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: After Maharishi -- interesting question from a press conference
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sent to me by a couple of people: Here's a very interesting question and answer from Maharishi. The reporter asks a question I'd be reluctant to ask myself but I am interested in the answer. Question: Maharishi, so many guruspeople like yourselfhave given so much thought to the direction of the world and have tried to lead great numbers of people in their direction. But by the very nature of their personalities and their own thinking, one has to wonder what happens to their Movements when they¹re no longer around. Would you like to speculate on what will happen to the ideas of the Maharishi whenever the day comes when he¹s not here to give us his own personal thoughts? Question from Arthur Max, Associated Press reporter who was here in Vlodrop for this press conference. Maharishi: Doesn¹t matter. There is a phrase; Man is the master of his own destiny. So the destiny of every man doesn¹t depend on the existence of Maharishi or his absence. Man is the master of his own destiny. Maharishi is showing a way. Who comes on the lighted way, he¹ll get to the target, he¹ll get to the goal of the way, those who don¹t, they don¹t, that¹s all. Man has a choice. Education is so very limited today. Whether this generation understands the words of Maharishi or not. Those who will understand will be better off, they¹ll be the master of their own destiny. Others will remain slaves of circumstances and situations, doesn¹t matter. Maharishi¹s message does not remain limited to his physical body. This is the message that was there before the body of Maharishi, and it will remain there when the body of Maharishi will not come up. So these are waste of thoughts, no? This is from the February 1st '06 Press Conference When did he start referring to himself in the third person? Did he get that from Amma, or is it a common thing in that tradition? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's opinion regarding the infamous cartoons of Prophet Mohammed @ Amritap
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl no_reply@ wrote: Thank you for the correction. But on the main issue, it appears to me that Amma was encouraging good manners and respect for other cultures. I have a problem with so-called spiritual people wading into the field of politics. Whether it's Amma, MMY or the Dalai Lama, I find that their interventions often leave alot to desire. Shemp, FWIW I rarely find myself in agreement with you but I do on this issue. Certainly, it's a sweet thing to encourage good manners and respect for other cultures...and there is certainly a need for that. But that, in my opinion, should not be the priority of any leader at this time, a time when irresponsible murderous rabbles are killing people and burning embassies. THIS time is time for another sort of counselling...and it is not a time for giving reasons for why the murderers may feel the way that they feel. That seems sensible to me. No one is condoning violence.But that does not excuse the extreme cultural insensitivity and/and ignorance of the cartoonists and publishers. If a paper published pictures of someone masturbating upon, then crapping and pissing on the Canadian flag before burning it, it would be in horrid taste. But to condem such would not at all be justifying your actions if you lashed out with some violent act in protest. ...but it would not be the appropriate thing to say at the time if the violent act you refer to was leading to killing and other destructive acts. And saying the appropriate thing is the sign of a good leader. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: http://www.amritapuri.org/teachings/message/cartoon.php My opinion: Amma should have kept her mouth shut. Her words border on justifying the actions of murderers and terrorists. They don't. You simply don't understand, that the majority of muslims, who feeling insulted by this type of cartoons, have only very peaceful reactions, If it were the majority of muslims who have only very peaceful reactions, there wouldn't have been what is now approaching 100 deaths and all the destruction that has happened. 100 deaths world-wide over two weeks means the majority of muslims are violent and terrorists. I didn't make myself as clear when I wrote the above. My if it were above was meant to refer to what Amma was referring to which was obviously the murders and mayhem and NOT the overwhelming peaceful, non-violent Muslims. Obviously you are correct that -- in the context of 1 billion Muslims worldwide -- 100 is not alot at all. But that is precisely why Amma should keep her mouth shut: she is adding fuel to the fire. Wow. Maybe then all canadians ARE retarded. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Gita-death in one's own dharma (was Re: Mind Modelling)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's my impression too. The point isn't to absorb the teacher's qualities of *mind* but his/her qualities of *consciousness*. Moreover, it's the process of surrender itself, I should think, that does most of the work of structuring freedom. This discussion, and Judy's point (everyone's collectively, really) brough to mind the passage from the Gita (Gita scholars chime in here) where it says (paraphrased) ...better to die in one's own dharma than trying to take on the dharma of another... I know that this has really had to come into play in my own life, realizing that all that I took and and tried to be via my long years with the TM org were attempts at living someone elses vision of how my life should be lived. And I've seen this struggle in so many others. Some have successfully managed to imbibe qualites/ways of living that, initially, seemed so alien, and they truly made them their own. Others, like me, strained to be a certain way and in many ways it backfired. I feel like I wasted years of my life, from age 30-40, knowing and experiencing my life as anything but a success but unwilling/unable to escape from the deep rut I had dug myself into from taking on a massive belief system that clearly wasn't working but which I clung to in the hopes I was wrong and any second now it was going to work. This never happened until I decided to get out and even then (15+ years ago) and now, I struggle with the whole thing. Ricks example of those around him now I think is false. They are works in progress. Better examples are SSRS. Perhaps Chopra. For more finsihed works. Look at the holy tradition. Was each master a clone of his master? Hardly, it seems. What is passed down is consciousness awakened to itself. Content is not the thing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Gita-death in one's own dharma (was Re: Mind Modelling)
Judy, I did not think your point was the taking on of the dharma of another, but I do think there are some similarities between attuning one's mind/consciousness to the mind/consciousness of another, whether or not the intent is the taking on of their dharma. I don't see how the two cannot become commingled once one attunes one mind/consciousness to that of another. Re: your second point, I have tried, with some degree of success, to look at the 20+ years within the TM org. as a learning experience. There's certainly nothing I can do to recapture any of them. It still seems such a shame that so many intelligent, well-meaning people spent so many years of their lives, some are still deeply entrenched, and end up, after so many years, with little to show for the years. And I'm not even talking about anything fancy, I'm talking the very basics, such as a decent place to live, a decent car to get around, the ability to pay for repairs as needed. Even more, though, as many of us are now in our late 50s (and beyone) I'm talking about the ability to go out of life with some dignity. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: That's my impression too. The point isn't to absorb the teacher's qualities of *mind* but his/her qualities of *consciousness*. Moreover, it's the process of surrender itself, I should think, that does most of the work of structuring freedom. This discussion, and Judy's point (everyone's collectively, really) brough to mind the passage from the Gita (Gita scholars chime in here) where it says (paraphrased) ...better to die in one's own dharma than trying to take on the dharma of another... (Just to clarify, taking on the dharma of another isn't what I was talking about above. I don't think that's what MMY was doing with Guru Dev at all.) I know that this has really had to come into play in my own life, realizing that all that I took and and tried to be via my long years with the TM org were attempts at living someone elses vision of how my life should be lived. And I've seen this struggle in so many others. Some have successfully managed to imbibe qualites/ways of living that, initially, seemed so alien, and they truly made them their own. Others, like me, strained to be a certain way and in many ways it backfired. I feel like I wasted years of my life, from age 30-40, knowing and experiencing my life as anything but a success but unwilling/unable to escape from the deep rut I had dug myself into from taking on a massive belief system that clearly wasn't working but which I clung to in the hopes I was wrong and any second now it was going to work. This never happened until I decided to get out and even then (15+ years ago) and now, I struggle with the whole thing. Can you look at it as a learning experience? It sounds like you're blaming yourself. Is that what the struggling part is about now? That seems to me to be more of a waste than sincerely having tried to make a go of a way of life that felt as though it made sense at the time. Ricks example of those around him now I think is false. They are works in progress. Better examples are SSRS. Perhaps Chopra. For more finsihed works. Look at the holy tradition. Was each master a clone of his master? Hardly, it seems. What is passed down is consciousness awakened to itself. Content is not the thing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'New Light on Beatlesâ Split with Maharishi'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: Much ado about Mia Farrow. No one familiar with the details of this topic considers the Mia incident to be a significant component of it. Nothing much happened with her. Had she not fled the room and the ashram, the story might have been different, but flee she did. I'm really surprised that the story has been both printed in as many places as it has. Chopra must want the press. JohnY I wonder if that's what's behind the George Harrison / MMY apology thing. I wonder if Chopra invented a story to show that he was a good friend of MMY and the Beatles, and got them talking again, because that would make him, Chopra, look good, and important. Harrison is dead and MMY is crazy, so who's to deny it. Does Chopra need the publicity? Scorpianon Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Cartoons
Mohamed cartoons. Publish or don't publish. Anyone here have an opinion? Has MMY expressed an opinion? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: Mohamed cartoons. Publish or don't publish. Anyone here have an opinion? Has MMY expressed an opinion? VINCENT: Marvin, what do you make of all this? MARVIN: Man, I don't even have an opinion. VINCENT: C'mon, Marvin. You gotta have an opinion. Do you think God came down from Heaven and stopped the bullets? Chill Jules, this shit happens. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation techniques
As a former very long time TM person I would like to inject an experience I've had with a very, very easy technique I have found very nice and seems to mimic my experience with TM which, for years, did not seem easy to me. (Yes, I know Lawson will ask, at this point, if I had my meditation checked, yes repeatedly). After having read a bunch of Thich Nhat Han and a book or two by Jon Kabat-Zinn and read and asked others about mindfulness techniques, I recently sat down and just allowed my awareness to very easily and simply be with my breathing-the in breath and the out breath, no effort at changing my pattern of breathing, just having my awareness on the breath as the focus (the simple, natural effortless focus) instead of the mantra. The attention wanders, as in TM, then easily come back to the breath. I found it much easier than TM, and the experience seemed about the same to me, over the 40 minutes I did this, my head would gradually fall forward as in TM, I would become aware of it, lift it back up, go back to being with the breath, etc. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bdadvaitin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could someone tell me what they would consider a meditation technique for transcending that's similar to the TM technique. Any opinion on Deepak Chopra's Primordial Sound Technique. I also came across Sri Sri RAvi Shankar's website. Didn't know he was once associated with MMY then went his own way and started Sudarshan Kriya. Anyone care to comment on this technique. My questions stem from the fact that the cost of TM has skyrocketed beyond the reach of mainstream America. Here I am a long time TM practioner and I am appalled at what has occured. Have the days of Merv Griffin initiations dried up? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
Other than a few people on FF Life and maybe some Beatle-ologists, who actually cares about any of this stuff? I think probably nearly no one at all. I find that, in general, most people, including long-time spiritual aspirants, have gotten so jaded and so desensitized to most of what goes on in the world, that little attention is paid to most of this blather. When you can worry about whether Tom and Katie have broken up, whether Jude Law is really having a torrid relationship with Jessica (who is really ugly) Simpson, and when you can be SOO happy that Kirstie Ally lost 55 pounds by eating frozen food, who cares about Deepak Chopra and the Maharishi? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, it is probably as someone has already suggested, that Deepak is positioning himself as the authority on MMY. He is alleged to have claimed that MMY offered him leadership of the movement, possibly by raising a bit of controversy he hopes that some attention might come his way. But more likely is that he has just got confused, but the result is still that he will get greater media attention. The only problem for him is that it might backlash on him, for there are greater authorities than him, when it comes to The Beatles. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkey! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/19/06 10:56 AM, hugheshugo at richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: The only woman I know of who has said she's going to come forward is Judith B., who reportedly has written a book, but is waiting till MMY dies to publish it. If she does do so, that may embolden others. If these stories are true where does that leave the TMO? I doubt much will change. The only people in the world who care about Maharishi are the long-term TMers of the world. They already believe what they believe, and nothing will change for them. And nobody else gives a shit; to the world at large, Maharishi is an irrelevancy. Yes this is true, the rest of the world will laugh at us for being taken in for so long. (I kept an open mind as you never know) Mind you, I used to work in the TM press office when one of these stories came out and people were reaally upset, A lot of people have huge amounts of their life mixed up in this it will be a disaster for them if true. Huge denial on the way I think. It seems like this recent story from Deepak may be advance preparation for buttressing that denial. It's an attempt to rewrite the story of why the Beatles left Rishikesh so as to shift all blame from MMY to them and discredit the womanizing story. And what would Deepak's motivation be in defending MMY and the TMO? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TruthAboutTM.com
Dear Mr. Orme-Johnson Will your TruthAboutTm.com website include the truthful.com details of women you have made sexual advances to which I guess comes under the category of How TM Made Me a Better Person cateogry. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:29:42 -0800 Dear TM teachers and Sidhas, I recently heard that many people are not learning TM because they go on the Internet and read a lot of negativity. I am appalled at the ignorance and hostility rampant on the Web that has gone uncorrected. I intend to address these claims and shed some factual information on them on my new web site, which is called TruthAboutTM.com. This is material that we have developed over the years in dealing with these issues. As you will see on my Homepage, I am taking the stance of someone who is very familiar with the research and the TM organization, but who is no longer officially affiliated with it. My intention is that this will be a resource for you to arm yourself for dealing with these issues, and the place that you can direct others to, including reporters, who may want more information about any of these points. The web site addresses such issues as are all meditation techniques the same?, and the usual questions about cults, religion, court cases, and criticisms of the research. In addition, I intend TruthAboutTM.com to be a resource of the latest information on the research, including research on Transcendental Consciousness, Cosmic Consciousness, and the Maharishi Effect. The reader will be able to download: · Annotated Bibliography of the Collected Papers, Volumes 1-5, 430 papers Covering the Period from 1970-1990 · List of 219 papers on TM Research, 1990-Present · List of 51 studies on the Maharishi Effect, plus another nine review papers · List of 160 journals where TM research has been published · Summaries of key studies on the Maharishi Effect · and much more. I hope that you will have time to look over the web site, and to make suggestions, or to make further points, or to improve on any of the points. As you will see, it is a work in progress, which will probably go on for some time. But I felt that there is enough posted now that it could be useful to you, and I would appreciate your feedback. Jai Guru Dev, David David Orme-Johnson, PhD SeagroveArtist.com Click picture to see recent works. 191 Dalton Dr. Seagrove Beach, FL 32459 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 850-231-2866 home 850-231-9199 fax 850-830-5846 cell Davi d¹s Research: Orme-JohnsonResearch.net Rhoda¹s Real Estate: http://www.RhodaTheRealtor.com http://www.friendatthebeach.net Need a room for the night? Or a room for guests? Go to www.ARoomatTheInn.com or click on www.TheInnatSeacrestBeach.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TruthAboutTM.com
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Crime statistics show that when Maharishi University of Management moved to Fairfield Iowa in 1973 (then called Maharishi international University) that violent crime in Fairfield decreased markedly. Maybe that is because the influx of meditators increased the population of the area by about 20% which would increase the ratio between the number of crimes committed v. total number of people, which would cause the percentage of crimes to appear to be less? - The latter is not true is it? Crime has gone up over the years in FF is my understanding. Lager jail needed. Widespread police corruption. And crime higher than adjacent areas. Or its a misleading view (was 1973 an anomolous base year for some reason? -- particularly high crime?) And the site is blatently factually wrong. The move was in Sept 74. Purchase was in 73. And lauded by visitors and state officials for their entrepreneurial successes, 10 and 20 years ago. What about today? Fairfield is an exceptionally lively theater and music scene, with many ethnic restaurants. As do many places. That use drugs. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TruthAboutTM.com
I think it remains for the women who have been subjected to it to come forward, but I heard (one person removed from the source) a bizarre story of David O-J hitting, while he was completely naked, on a woman who was on a course at a facility he was running down in Florida. Walked into her room in the middle of the night completely naked. Apparently this was not the only time he did this. Perhaps he has since stopped. Let's leave Rick out of these things, it was not his post, it was mine. Mr. Anonyff --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: Dear Mr. Orme-Johnson Will your TruthAboutTm.com website include the truthful.com details of women you have made sexual advances to which I guess comes under the category of How TM Made Me a Better Person cateogry. This is a new one to me. Perhaps Rick Archer, the resident expert of extra-curricular activities of TM higher-ups, can tell us the poop on David Orm- Johnson? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:29:42 -0800 Dear TM teachers and Sidhas, I recently heard that many people are not learning TM because they go on the Internet and read a lot of negativity. I am appalled at the ignorance and hostility rampant on the Web that has gone uncorrected. I intend to address these claims and shed some factual information on them on my new web site, which is called TruthAboutTM.com. This is material that we have developed over the years in dealing with these issues. As you will see on my Homepage, I am taking the stance of someone who is very familiar with the research and the TM organization, but who is no longer officially affiliated with it. My intention is that this will be a resource for you to arm yourself for dealing with these issues, and the place that you can direct others to, including reporters, who may want more information about any of these points. The web site addresses such issues as are all meditation techniques the same?, and the usual questions about cults, religion, court cases, and criticisms of the research. In addition, I intend TruthAboutTM.com to be a resource of the latest information on the research, including research on Transcendental Consciousness, Cosmic Consciousness, and the Maharishi Effect. The reader will be able to download: · Annotated Bibliography of the Collected Papers, Volumes 1-5, 430 papers Covering the Period from 1970-1990 · List of 219 papers on TM Research, 1990-Present · List of 51 studies on the Maharishi Effect, plus another nine review papers · List of 160 journals where TM research has been published · Summaries of key studies on the Maharishi Effect · and much more. I hope that you will have time to look over the web site, and to make suggestions, or to make further points, or to improve on any of the points. As you will see, it is a work in progress, which will probably go on for some time. But I felt that there is enough posted now that it could be useful to you, and I would appreciate your feedback. Jai Guru Dev, David David Orme-Johnson, PhD SeagroveArtist.com Click picture to see recent works. 191 Dalton Dr. Seagrove Beach, FL 32459 davidoj@ 850-231-2866 home 850-231-9199 fax 850-830-5846 cell Davi d¹s Research: Orme-JohnsonResearch.net Rhoda¹s Real Estate: http://www.RhodaTheRealtor.com http://www.friendatthebeach.net Need a room for the night? Or a room for guests? Go to www.ARoomatTheInn.com or click on www.TheInnatSeacrestBeach.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra's Books, was: Beatles angels on earth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chopra's writings were so popular that he is the one and only guy who has ever been on both the fiction and non-fiction best-seller lists at the same time (1995). Wouldn't john grays books about understanding women, which were on the nonfiction best-seller list, actually qualify as fiction?! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
