[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama says Donald Trump has a 'lack of moral principle'

[srijau]

I think he is right , its not racist for Europeans to keep their own homeland.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama

[futur.musik]

http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2007/11/retro-future-to-stars.html

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote:

 Dalai Lama, Girl in Bluebell Wood, and others...
 
  http://www.artofimagination.org/Pages/Marlin.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama

[Yifu]

thx for the Futuristic-Retro links.  I'll have to check out that genre.
Is It Enough - by Zelinsky:
http://features.cgsociety.org/newgallerycrits/g23/13/13_1226506169_large.jpg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, futur.musik futur.musik@... wrote:

 http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2007/11/retro-future-to-stars.html
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote:
 
  Dalai Lama, Girl in Bluebell Wood, and others...
  
   http://www.artofimagination.org/Pages/Marlin.html
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama

[futur.musik]

sure - cool, though not sure I want to live there except in one of the many 
penthouses.

This is a trip around the world in 6,237 pictures:

http://youtu.be/UGnrT0F-Igs

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote:

 thx for the Futuristic-Retro links.  I'll have to check out that genre.
 Is It Enough - by Zelinsky:
 http://features.cgsociety.org/newgallerycrits/g23/13/13_1226506169_large.jpg
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, futur.musik futur.musik@ wrote:
 
  http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2007/11/retro-future-to-stars.html
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote:
  
   Dalai Lama, Girl in Bluebell Wood, and others...
   
http://www.artofimagination.org/Pages/Marlin.html
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama a machine avatar in his next incarnation?

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote:

 Weird how our cars develop personalities, or appear to, based on how they 
 respond to our travel related desires. That being the most obvious example, I 
 find that I develop a two way relationship with every object I use.


Perhaps that's why Maharishi adviced not to buy a used car :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama a machine avatar in his next incarnation?

[PaliGap]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote:
 
  Weird how our cars develop personalities, or appear to, based on how they 
  respond to our travel related desires. That being the most obvious example, 
  I find that I develop a two way relationship with every object I use.
 
 Very interesting. I know people who insists that cars have
 a delicate soul

Yes indeed. Or what about boats. There's many a no-nonsense,
salty old sea dog who seems convinced of their vessel's self
and personality (sod the Turing test!).

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama a machine avatar in his next incarnation?

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@
wrote:
  
   Weird how our cars develop personalities, or appear to,
   based on how they respond to our travel related desires.
   That being the most obvious example, I find that I
   develop a two way relationship with every object I use.
 
  Very interesting. I know people who insists that cars have
  a delicate soul

 Yes indeed. Or what about boats. There's many a no-nonsense,
 salty old sea dog who seems convinced of their vessel's self
 and personality (sod the Turing test!).

And I've certainly known women who have far deeper and more meaningful
relationships with their vibrators than they ever have -- or will ever
have -- with a human being. Put *this* in your pipe and smoke it, Alan
Turing:

Top TenReasons Why a Vibrator Is Better Than a Man

1. It keeps going, and going, and going.
A vibrator can keep going as long as it takes to satisfy you.  All it
needs is a power supply, and batteries are a lot cheaper and easier to
get than Viagra.   2. You don't have to worry where else it's
been.
Unless you picked it up at a yard sale, you won't have  to give a
second thought to who else might have used your vibrator  before you.
And you won't have to worry about your vibrator jumping in  another
woman's pants when you're gone,unless if you have a freaky
roommate.   3. Vibrators can have more than one speed.
Most guys have two settings: full speed and off. Vibrators have variable
controls and let you pick the pace and intensity. 4. A vibrator
won't ask you if it's bigger than all other vibrators you've
had.
Vibrators aren't insecure about their size or ability,  and
don't keep asking for reassurance. Big or small, they just get the 
job done. 5. A vibrator doesn't roll over and snore.
A vibrator won't finish before you and fall asleep.  When you're
done with it, just shut it off and tuck it in your night  stand drawer,
then get a peaceful night's rest with the bed to yourself. 6.
It's ready when you are, and only when you are.
With a flick of a switch, your vibrator is ready to  give you pleasure.
On the other hand, when you're tired or have a  headache, you
won't get in bed and find your vibrator turned on. 7.
Vibrators are designed for your pleasure.
A penis is designed for procreation and male   sexual pleasure, not to
stimulate the clitoris and bring a woman to orgasm.   A vibrator, on the
other hand, was created with women in mind. Use the right   tool for the
job. 8. No germs and no sperm.
A vibrator can't get you pregnant or give you an STD. You'll
never have to worry about birth control, condoms, or safe sex.   If you
like the feel of latex, slap a condom on for easy cleaning. 9.
Vibrators don't expect you to swallow.
You will never have to give your vibrator a blow job, much less swallow
its cum or be made to feel guilty if you don't.10. Vibrators are
easy to replace.
If your vibrator breaks, wears out, or is defective,  it's easy
enough to buy another one. Of course, a guy is easy to  replace, too,
but you can't order one online and get home delivery.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama a machine avatar in his next incarnation?

[whynotnow7]

Is that your excuse for not having a girlfriend?:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@
 wrote:
   
Weird how our cars develop personalities, or appear to,
based on how they respond to our travel related desires.
That being the most obvious example, I find that I
develop a two way relationship with every object I use.
  
   Very interesting. I know people who insists that cars have
   a delicate soul
 
  Yes indeed. Or what about boats. There's many a no-nonsense,
  salty old sea dog who seems convinced of their vessel's self
  and personality (sod the Turing test!).
 
 And I've certainly known women who have far deeper and more meaningful
 relationships with their vibrators than they ever have -- or will ever
 have -- with a human being. Put *this* in your pipe and smoke it, Alan
 Turing:
 
 Top TenReasons Why a Vibrator Is Better Than a Man
 
 1. It keeps going, and going, and going.
 A vibrator can keep going as long as it takes to satisfy you.  All it
 needs is a power supply, and batteries are a lot cheaper and easier to
 get than Viagra.   2. You don't have to worry where else it's
 been.
 Unless you picked it up at a yard sale, you won't have  to give a
 second thought to who else might have used your vibrator  before you.
 And you won't have to worry about your vibrator jumping in  another
 woman's pants when you're gone,unless if you have a freaky
 roommate.   3. Vibrators can have more than one speed.
 Most guys have two settings: full speed and off. Vibrators have variable
 controls and let you pick the pace and intensity. 4. A vibrator
 won't ask you if it's bigger than all other vibrators you've
 had.
 Vibrators aren't insecure about their size or ability,  and
 don't keep asking for reassurance. Big or small, they just get the 
 job done. 5. A vibrator doesn't roll over and snore.
 A vibrator won't finish before you and fall asleep.  When you're
 done with it, just shut it off and tuck it in your night  stand drawer,
 then get a peaceful night's rest with the bed to yourself. 6.
 It's ready when you are, and only when you are.
 With a flick of a switch, your vibrator is ready to  give you pleasure.
 On the other hand, when you're tired or have a  headache, you
 won't get in bed and find your vibrator turned on. 7.
 Vibrators are designed for your pleasure.
 A penis is designed for procreation and male   sexual pleasure, not to
 stimulate the clitoris and bring a woman to orgasm.   A vibrator, on the
 other hand, was created with women in mind. Use the right   tool for the
 job. 8. No germs and no sperm.
 A vibrator can't get you pregnant or give you an STD. You'll
 never have to worry about birth control, condoms, or safe sex.   If you
 like the feel of latex, slap a condom on for easy cleaning. 9.
 Vibrators don't expect you to swallow.
 You will never have to give your vibrator a blow job, much less swallow
 its cum or be made to feel guilty if you don't.10. Vibrators are
 easy to replace.
 If your vibrator breaks, wears out, or is defective,  it's easy
 enough to buy another one. Of course, a guy is easy to  replace, too,
 but you can't order one online and get home delivery.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama a machine avatar in his next incarnation?

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote:

 Is that your excuse for not having a girlfriend?:-)

HeHe :-)


 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@
  wrote:

 Weird how our cars develop personalities, or appear to,
 based on how they respond to our travel related desires.
 That being the most obvious example, I find that I
 develop a two way relationship with every object I use.
   
Very interesting. I know people who insists that cars have
a delicate soul
  
   Yes indeed. Or what about boats. There's many a no-nonsense,
   salty old sea dog who seems convinced of their vessel's self
   and personality (sod the Turing test!).
  
  And I've certainly known women who have far deeper and more meaningful
  relationships with their vibrators than they ever have -- or will ever
  have -- with a human being. Put *this* in your pipe and smoke it, Alan
  Turing:
  
  Top TenReasons Why a Vibrator Is Better Than a Man
  
  1. It keeps going, and going, and going.
  A vibrator can keep going as long as it takes to satisfy you.  All it
  needs is a power supply, and batteries are a lot cheaper and easier to
  get than Viagra.   2. You don't have to worry where else it's
  been.
  Unless you picked it up at a yard sale, you won't have  to give a
  second thought to who else might have used your vibrator  before you.
  And you won't have to worry about your vibrator jumping in  another
  woman's pants when you're gone,unless if you have a freaky
  roommate.   3. Vibrators can have more than one speed.
  Most guys have two settings: full speed and off. Vibrators have variable
  controls and let you pick the pace and intensity. 4. A vibrator
  won't ask you if it's bigger than all other vibrators you've
  had.
  Vibrators aren't insecure about their size or ability,  and
  don't keep asking for reassurance. Big or small, they just get the 
  job done. 5. A vibrator doesn't roll over and snore.
  A vibrator won't finish before you and fall asleep.  When you're
  done with it, just shut it off and tuck it in your night  stand drawer,
  then get a peaceful night's rest with the bed to yourself. 6.
  It's ready when you are, and only when you are.
  With a flick of a switch, your vibrator is ready to  give you pleasure.
  On the other hand, when you're tired or have a  headache, you
  won't get in bed and find your vibrator turned on. 7.
  Vibrators are designed for your pleasure.
  A penis is designed for procreation and male   sexual pleasure, not to
  stimulate the clitoris and bring a woman to orgasm.   A vibrator, on the
  other hand, was created with women in mind. Use the right   tool for the
  job. 8. No germs and no sperm.
  A vibrator can't get you pregnant or give you an STD. You'll
  never have to worry about birth control, condoms, or safe sex.   If you
  like the feel of latex, slap a condom on for easy cleaning. 9.
  Vibrators don't expect you to swallow.
  You will never have to give your vibrator a blow job, much less swallow
  its cum or be made to feel guilty if you don't.10. Vibrators are
  easy to replace.
  If your vibrator breaks, wears out, or is defective,  it's easy
  enough to buy another one. Of course, a guy is easy to  replace, too,
  but you can't order one online and get home delivery.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama a machine avatar in his next incarnation?

[whynotnow7]

Dumped By A Dildo, the heartbreaking tale of Turq when he discovers his ex 
thinks he's just another dickhead. :-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote:
 
  Is that your excuse for not having a girlfriend?:-)
 
 HeHe :-)
 
 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@
   wrote:
 
  Weird how our cars develop personalities, or appear to,
  based on how they respond to our travel related desires.
  That being the most obvious example, I find that I
  develop a two way relationship with every object I use.

 Very interesting. I know people who insists that cars have
 a delicate soul
   
Yes indeed. Or what about boats. There's many a no-nonsense,
salty old sea dog who seems convinced of their vessel's self
and personality (sod the Turing test!).
   
   And I've certainly known women who have far deeper and more meaningful
   relationships with their vibrators than they ever have -- or will ever
   have -- with a human being. Put *this* in your pipe and smoke it, Alan
   Turing:
   
   Top TenReasons Why a Vibrator Is Better Than a Man
   
   1. It keeps going, and going, and going.
   A vibrator can keep going as long as it takes to satisfy you.  All it
   needs is a power supply, and batteries are a lot cheaper and easier to
   get than Viagra.   2. You don't have to worry where else it's
   been.
   Unless you picked it up at a yard sale, you won't have  to give a
   second thought to who else might have used your vibrator  before you.
   And you won't have to worry about your vibrator jumping in  another
   woman's pants when you're gone,unless if you have a freaky
   roommate.   3. Vibrators can have more than one speed.
   Most guys have two settings: full speed and off. Vibrators have variable
   controls and let you pick the pace and intensity. 4. A vibrator
   won't ask you if it's bigger than all other vibrators you've
   had.
   Vibrators aren't insecure about their size or ability,  and
   don't keep asking for reassurance. Big or small, they just get the 
   job done. 5. A vibrator doesn't roll over and snore.
   A vibrator won't finish before you and fall asleep.  When you're
   done with it, just shut it off and tuck it in your night  stand drawer,
   then get a peaceful night's rest with the bed to yourself. 6.
   It's ready when you are, and only when you are.
   With a flick of a switch, your vibrator is ready to  give you pleasure.
   On the other hand, when you're tired or have a  headache, you
   won't get in bed and find your vibrator turned on. 7.
   Vibrators are designed for your pleasure.
   A penis is designed for procreation and male   sexual pleasure, not to
   stimulate the clitoris and bring a woman to orgasm.   A vibrator, on the
   other hand, was created with women in mind. Use the right   tool for the
   job. 8. No germs and no sperm.
   A vibrator can't get you pregnant or give you an STD. You'll
   never have to worry about birth control, condoms, or safe sex.   If you
   like the feel of latex, slap a condom on for easy cleaning. 9.
   Vibrators don't expect you to swallow.
   You will never have to give your vibrator a blow job, much less swallow
   its cum or be made to feel guilty if you don't.10. Vibrators are
   easy to replace.
   If your vibrator breaks, wears out, or is defective,  it's easy
   enough to buy another one. Of course, a guy is easy to  replace, too,
   but you can't order one online and get home delivery.
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama a machine avatar in his next incarnation?

[RoryGoff]

* * * A fun and tasty buffet, merudanda; many thanks! I agree that the mind has 
no firewall, but the I-particle that thinks it is a separate ego does...until 
it SELF-EVIDENTLY doesn't! :-D

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote:

 Food for thought or for some digital firing in  Your I particle
 biological neurons.Does he really wants to be a
 possibleself-ruint(copyright turquoiseb )  machine avatar in his next
 incarnation?
 As a side note for the wonderful new world they envision for us or our
 children, no less than HH the Dalai of the Bla-ma -s seems to say it is
 theoretically possible for a computer to have a soul. So the question
 comes to mind.
 Has HH. been at LLF lately orWho is his secret agent here?He may leave
 he has done his duty!
 Dalai Lama wants to be a machine avatar
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=6JNyUVSoiAE#!
 http://tinyurl.com/3wr4tfd
 
   What if the computer in the future are all Made in China? [:D]
 
 Dalai Lama Responds to Dalai Lama Joke
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U40uzc1kak0feature=player_embedded
 http://tinyurl.com/3crddov
 A New Marriage of Brain and Computer
 (The expert in consiousness Stuart Hameroff is an  expert in having
 sensation (including the feeling of pain) blocked or temporarily taken
 away- an Anaesthesiologist---makes sense...)
   [:))]
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GBhl=en-GBv=aw9Jo5qNCsQ
 http://tinyurl.com/3wu3xym
 
 
 Remember - the mind has no Firewall... Or does it need one in the
 future? lol

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama a machine avatar in his next incarnation?

[whynotnow7]

Weird how our cars develop personalities, or appear to, based on how they 
respond to our travel related desires. That being the most obvious example, I 
find that I develop a two way relationship with every object I use.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote:

 * * * A fun and tasty buffet, merudanda; many thanks! I agree that the mind 
 has no firewall, but the I-particle that thinks it is a separate ego 
 does...until it SELF-EVIDENTLY doesn't! :-D
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Food for thought or for some digital firing in  Your I particle
  biological neurons.Does he really wants to be a
  possibleself-ruint(copyright turquoiseb )  machine avatar in his next
  incarnation?
  As a side note for the wonderful new world they envision for us or our
  children, no less than HH the Dalai of the Bla-ma -s seems to say it is
  theoretically possible for a computer to have a soul. So the question
  comes to mind.
  Has HH. been at LLF lately orWho is his secret agent here?He may leave
  he has done his duty!
  Dalai Lama wants to be a machine avatar
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=6JNyUVSoiAE#!
  http://tinyurl.com/3wr4tfd
  
What if the computer in the future are all Made in China? [:D]
  
  Dalai Lama Responds to Dalai Lama Joke
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U40uzc1kak0feature=player_embedded
  http://tinyurl.com/3crddov
  A New Marriage of Brain and Computer
  (The expert in consiousness Stuart Hameroff is an  expert in having
  sensation (including the feeling of pain) blocked or temporarily taken
  away- an Anaesthesiologist---makes sense...)
[:))]
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GBhl=en-GBv=aw9Jo5qNCsQ
  http://tinyurl.com/3wu3xym
  
  
  Remember - the mind has no Firewall... Or does it need one in the
  future? lol
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama a machine avatar in his next incarnation?

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote:

 Weird how our cars develop personalities, or appear to, based on how they 
 respond to our travel related desires. That being the most obvious example, I 
 find that I develop a two way relationship with every object I use.

Very interesting. I know people who insists that cars have a delicate soul and 
shold be talked to in a gentle manner. In the not distant future cars will move 
to a designated place by our intention only.
Maitreya already has such a vehicle capable of traversing huge distances in the 
air taking a lot of passengers in great comfort above the speed of sound.

Talking about seemingly strange stuff and objects; do you experience that 
everyday objects in your house has a tendency to move around as if randomly 
even if you did not touch them ? Have you witnessed everyday objects 
materialize or de-materialize ?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama a machine avatar in his next incarnation?

[whynotnow7]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote:
 
  Weird how our cars develop personalities, or appear to, based on how they 
  respond to our travel related desires. That being the most obvious example, 
  I find that I develop a two way relationship with every object I use.
 
 Very interesting. I know people who insists that cars have a delicate soul 
 and should be talked to in a gentle manner. 

** Seems like they have consciousness.

 In the not distant future cars will move to a designated place by our 
 intention only.

** With cruise control and automatic everything, they practically do. On the 
freeway, all you have to do is steer.

 Maitreya already has such a vehicle capable of traversing huge distances in 
 the air taking a lot of passengers in great comfort above the speed of sound.

** He bought an Airbus 380??:-)

 Talking about seemingly strange stuff and objects; do you experience that 
 everyday objects in your house has a tendency to move around as if randomly 
 even if you did not touch them ? Have you witnessed everyday objects 
 materialize or de-materialize ?

** I lose my cell phone a lot, but am just misplacing it ;-)  Seriously, I once 
saw some furniture and a person, without losing their 3D shape, turn into a 
zillion tiny, very fast spinning, dark grey, shiny, ball-bearing type things 
that I think were atoms -- coming out of meditation, go figure.

Do you experience materialization and de-materialization of objects? :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama on nature

[Richard M]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote:

 from Dalailama.com
 
 A Buddhist Concept of Nature
  
 Tonight I will say something about the Buddhist concept of nature.
  
 Nagarjuna said that for a system where emptiness is possible, it
 is also possible to have functionality, and since functionality
 is possible, emptiness is also possible. So when we talk
 about nature, the ultimate nature is emptiness. 
[snip]

This certainly expresses emptiness to me!

Does so have a special meaning in Tibetan?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama on emptiness

[Richard M]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote:

 Dalai Lama Quote of the Week
 
 
 How does an emptiness appear to a mind when it ascertains an 
 emptiness?
 
 If one has a mistaken view of an emptiness, equating it with a 
 vacuity which is a nothingness, this is not the ascertainment of an 
 emptiness. Or, even if one has developed a proper understanding of 
an 
 emptiness as merely a lack of inherent existence, still, when the 
 vacuity which is a lack of inherent existence appears, one may 
 subsequently lose sight of the original understanding. This vacuity 
 then becomes a mere nothingness with the original understanding of 
 the negation of inherent existence being lost completely. Therefore, 
 this is not the ascertainment of an emptiness either. Also, even if 
 the meaning of an emptiness has been ascertained, but the 
 thought, 'This is an emptiness,' appears, then one is apprehending 
 the existence of an emptiness which is a positive thing. Therefore, 
 that consciousness then becomes a conventional valid cogniser and 
not 
 the ascertainment of an emptiness. The Condensed Perfection of 
Wisdom 
 Sutra says, 'Even if a Bodhisattva realises, These aggregates are 
 empty, he is acting on signs of conventionalities and does not have 
 faith in the state of non-production.'
 
 Further, 'an emptiness' is a negative [an absence] which must be 
 ascertained through the mere elimination of the object of negation, 
 that is, inherent existence. Negatives are of two types: affirming 
 negatives in which some other positive phenomenon is implied in 
place 
 of the object of negation, and non-affirming negatives in which no 
 other positive phenomenon is implied in place of the object of 
 negation. An emptiness is an instance of the latter; therefore, a 
 consciousness cognising an emptiness necessarily ascertains the mere 
 negative or absence of the object of negation. What appears to the 
 mind is a clear vacuity accompanied by the mere thought, 'These 
 concrete things as they now appear to our minds do not exist at 
all.' 
 The mere lack of inherent existence or mere truthlessness which is 
 the referent object of this consciousness is an emptiness; 
therefore, 
 such a mind ascertains an emptiness.
 
 --from The Buddhism of Tibet by the Dalai Lama, translated and 
edited 
 by Jeffrey Hopkins, published by Snow Lion Publications


Thanks for posting this.

Though I find Marek's more worldly example of bagels works better for 
my level of spiritual development and concentration span.

In my funky example of the bagel's hole, it (self) is defined by what 
surrounds it but is in itself without attributes.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama funds Neuroscience Research

[raunchydog]

Vaj when the researcher, Jim Doty says, He also wonders whether the
benefits of intense mediation can be more easily achieved by
healthcare and corporate workers to prevent burnout, depression and
anxiety, what kind of meditation is he talking about? If he
characterizes it as intense mediation does it mean something very
time consuming like TM rounding? Seems to me 20 minutes twice daily
of TM is a more compatible meditation practice for people with busy
schedules and would lend itself to fewer variables for the research
model, i.e. the TM sample would have learned a standard procedure. 

As you like to point out, not all meditations are created equal, and
we cannot compare apples and oranges, therefore, if the goal is to
benefit active folks, would you agree that a meditation technique that
is simple, natural and effortless and fits into an active lifestyle is
more suitable for research than an intense mediation designed for
monks? Do you know anything about the type of meditation they will
research or if they will compare the effects of different types of
meditation?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 The Dalai Lama is again in the news in connection with neuroscience.
 
 http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2009/01/dalai- 
 lama-to-fund-neuroscienc.html
 
 LINK
 
 Dalai Lama to fund 'neuroscience of compassion'
 
 
 
 The Dalai Lama is teaming up with Stanford University and a multi- 
 millionaire professor to launch a new research centre dedicated to  
 compassion and altruism.
 
 His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama, Tenzin Gyatso, provided $150,000  
 in seed money for the center -- the largest sum he has ever given for  
 a scientific venture -- and has agreed to return to Stanford for a  
 future visit, reads a Stanford press release.
 
 The Dalai Lama's contribution is small change compared to the $2  
 million raised so far to fund the Center for Compassion and Altruism  
 Research and Education, but other Buddhist and Catholic groups have  
 opened their pocketbooks.
 Centre director Jim Doty, a Stanford neurosurgeon who amassed a $75  
 million fortune working in business, knows a thing or two about  
 altruism. He's already pledged $25 million of that to charities,  
 including a $5.4 million gift to Stanford.
 
 It seems the centre's goals involve not only investigating how the  
 brain deals with compassion and altruism, but also leveraging those  
 findings to improve people's lives.
 
 Doty hopes the centre's research will help understand and combat  
 childhood bullying and recidivism among prisoners. He also wonders  
 whether the benefits of intense mediation can be more easily achieved  
 by healthcare and corporate workers to prevent burnout, depression  
 and anxiety.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama funds Neuroscience Research

[Vaj]

On Jan 23, 2009, at 9:59 AM, raunchydog wrote:


Vaj when the researcher, Jim Doty says, He also wonders whether the
benefits of intense mediation can be more easily achieved by
healthcare and corporate workers to prevent burnout, depression and
anxiety, what kind of meditation is he talking about? If he
characterizes it as intense mediation does it mean something very
time consuming like TM rounding? Seems to me 20 minutes twice daily
of TM is a more compatible meditation practice for people with busy
schedules and would lend itself to fewer variables for the research
model, i.e. the TM sample would have learned a standard procedure.


I believe what he may be referring to is, in studies of meditators,  
it's often common to compare novice meditators--the workaday type,  
one or two times a day meditator--to people who've meditated  
continuously for many years (intense meditation experience). So if  
I'm hearing him right, he's wondering if the average Jane or Joe  
meditator can achieve the (really) profound meditative changes that  
has been seen in long-term meditators who often meditate quite a few  
hours a day.


My gut feeling is that some people may be able to match the brain  
changes of the pros but most will need to supplement their practice  
much as a devoted TM practitioner would: rounding courses, IAC,  
Forest Academy, etc.


And there is research which does show that this is in fact the case:  
the more time you put in, the more benefit. It's actually measurable  
according to Sarah Lazar at Mass. General. Have you seen the BBC  
special on meditation? LINK


People who cannot contribute more lengthy times to meditation in  
their overstressed lives may benefit better from MBSR or MBCT.



As you like to point out, not all meditations are created equal, and
we cannot compare apples and oranges, therefore, if the goal is to
benefit active folks, would you agree that a meditation technique that
is simple, natural and effortless and fits into an active lifestyle is
more suitable for research than an intense mediation designed for
monks? Do you know anything about the type of meditation they will
research or if they will compare the effects of different types of
meditation?


We already know a good deal about the pros. So there is a lot of  
interest in replicating what we see in the pros in workaday folks. My  
guess is it will be no different that TM: people who did a lot of  
rounding, etc. are more likely to benefit more, but at the same time  
some people may just do well (or not so well) from the beginning.


I shared the story here recently of attending a Shambhala Training  
retreat with a old friend who used to do TM. They reccomend at least  
10 minutes once a day up to 30 minutes twice a day, based on what the  
student wants. They may also do walking meditation. So it is roughly  
similar. And even at 10 minutes a day, they said there are yogins who  
were completely enlightened from such casual activity.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Defends Islam as Peaceful Religion

[R.G.]

 (snip) 
 Even the most tolerant of Muslims know Buddhism is misguided 
atheistic
 evil.  Its in the Koran.  I very much doubt the Muslims have a
 reciprocal view of Mr. Lama.

Perhaps it has to do with the difference in belief in what happens 
after death...
The belief in reicarnation and karma Vs.
The belief that it's a holy thing to murder yourself and others for 
the sake of some promise of sex with Madonna and many of her sisters, 
in Islamic Heaven?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Defends Islam as Peaceful Religion

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  (snip) 
  Even the most tolerant of Muslims know Buddhism is misguided 
 atheistic
  evil.  Its in the Koran.  I very much doubt the Muslims have a
  reciprocal view of Mr. Lama.
 
 Perhaps it has to do with the difference in belief in what happens 
 after death...
 The belief in reicarnation and karma Vs.
 The belief that it's a holy thing to murder yourself and others for 
 the sake of some promise of sex with Madonna and many of her sisters, 
 in Islamic Heaven?


Deep view.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Defends Islam as Peaceful Religion

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dalai Lama defends Islam as peaceful religion
 By MICHAEL RUBINKAM, Associated Press Writer
 Sun Jul 13, 5:36 PM ET
 
 The Dalai Lama said Sunday that it's totally wrong, unfair to 
call 
 Islam a violent religion.
 
 The Tibetan spiritual leader, appearing at Lehigh University in 
 Pennsylvania, offered a defense of Islam in response to a question 
 about the rise of violent religious fundamentalism. He added that 
he 
 has made a point of reaching out to Muslims since the attacks of 
Sept. 
 11, 2001.
 
 Read more at:
 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080713/ap_on_re_us/dalai_lama


I suppose he is reaching out to Muslims in the same way he reached 
out to Mao Tse Tung back in the 1950s...

Gee, I wonder, how did that work out?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Defends Islam as Peaceful Religion

[Stu]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  Dalai Lama defends Islam as peaceful religion
  By MICHAEL RUBINKAM, Associated Press Writer
  Sun Jul 13, 5:36 PM ET
 
  The Dalai Lama said Sunday that it's totally wrong, unfair to
 call
  Islam a violent religion.
 
  The Tibetan spiritual leader, appearing at Lehigh University in
  Pennsylvania, offered a defense of Islam in response to a question
  about the rise of violent religious fundamentalism. He added that
 he
  has made a point of reaching out to Muslims since the attacks of
 Sept.
  11, 2001.
 
  Read more at:
  http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080713/ap_on_re_us/dalai_lama


 I suppose he is reaching out to Muslims in the same way he reached
 out to Mao Tse Tung back in the 1950s...

 Gee, I wonder, how did that work out?


Even the most tolerant of Muslims know Buddhism is misguided atheistic
evil.  Its in the Koran.  I very much doubt the Muslims have a
reciprocal view of Mr. Lama.

s.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama on the practice of morality.

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, quantum packet
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

There you go...morality as the *foundation* of spirituality, pretty
much the same as Patanjali!



Therefore, the path leading to liberation is comprised of the three
higher trainings: the training of morality as the foundation, the
training of meditative stabilization as the complementing factor, and
the actual path which is the training of wisdom.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama on the Highest Yoga Tantra and feats.

[sinhlnx]

--No.  It's OK to play the story game IFF (if and only if); the story 
is actually superior to other stories; and one can back it up with some 
type of evidence.  It appears, Rory's story may be superior to others, 
thus, it's not infantile but appropriate in a discussion having a 
foundation of personal experience, logic, various theories; etc.
 What's hypocritical is the Neo-Advaitins who claim they are NOT 
spouting a story.  They should (to be less hypocritical) just come 
right out and state what they are doing: promoting a story which is 
supposedly superior to the other stories.
 The Dalai Lama plays the story game less than other Enlightened 
people.  When asked by Barbara Walters if he was Enlightened, he 
chuckled and said no.


- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, quantum packet
 hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote:
 
  The Dalai Lama seems to imply that Buddhism has a lot more in
  the relative sense; that accompanies Enlightment; i.e. in the
  capacity to perform unnamed feats for the betterment of mankind. 
  Looks like a 200% program to me, or 300%, since everything in 
  Buddhism must occur in threes.
  Neo-Advaita - Byron Katie, Eckhart Tolle, Gangaji, etc; doesn't 
  have these added benefits.
 
 IOW, you're saying the Buddhist story is superior to the Neo-Advaita
 story. So, Buddhism actually *does* get into such infantile games!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama on the Highest Yoga Tantra and feats.

[Rory Goff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, quantum packet
 hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote:
 
  The Dalai Lama seems to imply that Buddhism has a lot more in
  the relative sense; that accompanies Enlightment; i.e. in the
  capacity to perform unnamed feats for the betterment of mankind. 
  Looks like a 200% program to me, or 300%, since everything in 
  Buddhism must occur in threes.
  Neo-Advaita - Byron Katie, Eckhart Tolle, Gangaji, etc; doesn't 
  have these added benefits.
 
 IOW, you're saying the Buddhist story is superior to the Neo-Advaita
 story. So, Buddhism actually *does* get into such infantile games!

...or some so-called Buddhists do, at any rate :-) 

Again, I am not a Neo-Advaitin, or a Buddhist, or a Christian, or a 
Hindu, or a Wiccan, though there are elements of all of these that I 
have found to be helpful in self-discovery and self-description.  In 
working with my particles, I am enlightening every Being in my 
universe, as I suspect the so-called Neo-Advaitin BK is also doing. 

FWIW my Universe -- my bodymind -- happily and miraculously supports 
and fulfills my every desire, generally almost before I realize I have 
the desire. I like BK's stuff, but I did not Awaken with it (though 
many of my particles have); when I Awakened, THAT which Awoke named 
itself Brahman, and Buddha, and the Crucifixion, for THAT was the death 
of the Witness into the great immensity. 

As Brahman I am the Cosmic Consciousness of my particles, and when 
Brahman discovers its ability to collapse into and relate with its 
particles, it enlivens Krishna/Karttikeya and then I am the God 
Consciousness or Avatar of my particles. When Wholeness discovers 
that I can eat my particles in the all-consuming fire of blissful 
love, it enlivens Shiva/Vishnu and then I am the Unity 
Consciousness of my particles.

All a story or a map of course, but as True as I can speak it in this 
moment :-)

I LOVE the image of Indra's Net, for its infinitely harmonious and self-
reflecting nature nicely captures the Being/Love aspects of Indra, whom 
we consider to be the original Vishnu. As we consider Rudra to be the 
original Shiva, our Sanskrit name would probably be Indraprem 
Brahmajyoti Rudraananda -- the Being/Love of Indra (Vishnu), the 
Consciousness/Light of Brahma(n), the Bliss/Laughter of Rudra (Shiva), 
this making up the whole of the Hiranyagarbha or Sat-chit-ananda torus. 
Or, for short, 

*L*L*L* 

or, traditionally, *A*U*M*

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama on the Highest Yoga Tantra and feats.

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, quantum packet
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The Dalai Lama seems to imply that Buddhism has a lot more in
 the relative sense; that accompanies Enlightment; i.e. in the
 capacity to perform unnamed feats for the betterment of mankind. 
 Looks like a 200% program to me, or 300%, since everything in 
 Buddhism must occur in threes.
 Neo-Advaita - Byron Katie, Eckhart Tolle, Gangaji, etc; doesn't 
 have these added benefits.

IOW, you're saying the Buddhist story is superior to the Neo-Advaita
story. So, Buddhism actually *does* get into such infantile games!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama on the Highest Yoga Tantra and feats.

[tertonzeno]

-Thanks, Rory, I like your essays, quite inspirational and revealing 
of truths devoid of Maharishi-talk and the like. The TMO could learn 
something from you. Keep up the great work.i
 Interesting article on Gangaji and Eli:

More On Gangaji and Eli Jaxon-Bear
In my recent post about Gangaji and her husband Eli Jaxon-Bear I 
inferred that there might be financial motivation to cover up the 
affair or abuse of power that involved Eli with a former student. One 
commenter took issue with my conclusions suggesting that Jaxon-Bear 
and Gangaji (aka Eliot and Toni) were not living the high life. There 
is now a lively discussion with some excellent ranting and analysis 
taking place on the Topica email discussion list and I found the 
following comments purported to be from a former Leela Foundation 
staff member (or members) to be quite interesting in what they were 
charging:
the two people who have taken my money for the past four years to 
support their increasingly lavish, 1st class, Trump Tower, gas 
guzzling, philandering lifestyles.
I mean they live like kings  off a mostly volunteer force that
literally slave away for them. 5 star hotels everywhere they go, 1st
class everywhere they go, face-lifts and the finest clothes from the
highest end shops, two homes, etc. etc. etc. 
The students and disciples of Eliot and Toni are having problems with 
the abuse of power exercised by Eliot over a student/disciple/patient 
thirty years his junior and Toni's coverup of same. They feel it is a 
breach of trust. It's a fascinating discussion which should be of 
great interest to anyone who has set a guru, teacher, pastor, or 
political leader on a pedestal. One can sympathize with how 
conflicted some of these followers are. We are getting lots of 
examples recently of how power corrupts in any sphere. I'll bet 
Gangaji and Eli Jaxon-Bear/ Toni and Eliot aren't even Republi



 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
 j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, quantum packet
  hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote:
  
   The Dalai Lama seems to imply that Buddhism has a lot more in
   the relative sense; that accompanies Enlightment; i.e. in the
   capacity to perform unnamed feats for the betterment of 
mankind. 
   Looks like a 200% program to me, or 300%, since everything in 
   Buddhism must occur in threes.
   Neo-Advaita - Byron Katie, Eckhart Tolle, Gangaji, etc; 
doesn't 
   have these added benefits.
  
  IOW, you're saying the Buddhist story is superior to the Neo-
Advaita
  story. So, Buddhism actually *does* get into such infantile games!
 
 ...or some so-called Buddhists do, at any rate :-) 
 
 Again, I am not a Neo-Advaitin, or a Buddhist, or a Christian, or a 
 Hindu, or a Wiccan, though there are elements of all of these that 
I 
 have found to be helpful in self-discovery and self-description.  
In 
 working with my particles, I am enlightening every Being in my 
 universe, as I suspect the so-called Neo-Advaitin BK is also 
doing. 
 
 FWIW my Universe -- my bodymind -- happily and miraculously 
supports 
 and fulfills my every desire, generally almost before I realize I 
have 
 the desire. I like BK's stuff, but I did not Awaken with it (though 
 many of my particles have); when I Awakened, THAT which Awoke named 
 itself Brahman, and Buddha, and the Crucifixion, for THAT was the 
death 
 of the Witness into the great immensity. 
 
 As Brahman I am the Cosmic Consciousness of my particles, and 
when 
 Brahman discovers its ability to collapse into and relate with its 
 particles, it enlivens Krishna/Karttikeya and then I am the God 
 Consciousness or Avatar of my particles. When Wholeness 
discovers 
 that I can eat my particles in the all-consuming fire of blissful 
 love, it enlivens Shiva/Vishnu and then I am the Unity 
 Consciousness of my particles.
 
 All a story or a map of course, but as True as I can speak it in 
this 
 moment :-)
 
 I LOVE the image of Indra's Net, for its infinitely harmonious and 
self-
 reflecting nature nicely captures the Being/Love aspects of Indra, 
whom 
 we consider to be the original Vishnu. As we consider Rudra to be 
the 
 original Shiva, our Sanskrit name would probably be Indraprem 
 Brahmajyoti Rudraananda -- the Being/Love of Indra (Vishnu), the 
 Consciousness/Light of Brahma(n), the Bliss/Laughter of Rudra 
(Shiva), 
 this making up the whole of the Hiranyagarbha or Sat-chit-ananda 
torus. 
 Or, for short, 
 
 *L*L*L* 
 
 or, traditionally, *A*U*M*

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with Terrorism[Shemp]

[Jason Spock]

 I think, Papua New-Guinea has a similar arrangement with Australia.??peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 18:58:26 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with Terrorism[Shemp]  Suzerain 1. A nation that controls another nation in international affairsbut allows it domestic sovereignty. 2. A feudal lord to whom fealty was due.Draw your own conclusions..--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I only wrote, what had happened. There is a subtle differencebetween the two words.  jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 19:42:30 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing withTerrorism[Shemp]  "Suzerainty" is defined as 'overlordship', very similar in meaning as sovereignty in this context. So this great journalistic coup of Mr. Spock's (aka The Dude) is more red herring than anything else...  Have you heard of the great Indian Goof-Up, prior to the   Chinese invasion of
 Tibet.?   There was a lot of Speculation that China might invade   Tibet. So the Indian Strategists want didn't want to offend China, sent a Cleverly worded message to the indian Ambasador stating that he should convey the mesage to China, "India recognises China's Suzerainity over Tibet."   The Indian Ambasador in Beijing misunderstood the  message. He made a public announcement that, "India recognises China's Sovereignty over Tibet.!"   The next day China marched into Tibet. I don't get it...what's "suzerainity"?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with Terrorism[Shemp]

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   I only wrote, what had happened. There is a subtle difference between the two words.  jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 19:42:30 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with Terrorism[Shemp] "Suzerainty" is defined as 'overlordship', very similar in meaning as sovereignty in this context. So this great journalistic coup of Mr. Spock's (aka The Dude) is more red herring than anything else... 
  Have you heard of the great Indian Goof-Up, prior to the  Chinese invasion of Tibet.?There was a lot of Speculation that China might invade  Tibet. So the Indian Strategists want didn't want to offend China, sent a Cleverly worded message to the indian Ambasador stating that he should convey the mesage to China, "India recognises China's Suzerainity over Tibet."   The Indian Ambasador in Beijing misunderstood the message.He made a public announcement that, "India recognises China's Sovereignty over Tibet.!"The next day China marched into Tibet. I don't get it...what's "suzerainity"?
   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with Terrorism[Shemp]

[peterklutz]

Suzerain
   1. A nation that controls another nation in international affairs
but allows it domestic sovereignty.
   2. A feudal lord to whom fealty was due.

Draw your own conclusions..



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   I only wrote, what had happened.  There is a subtle difference
between the two words.
   
 
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   Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 19:42:30 -
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Terrorism[Shemp]
 

 Suzerainty is defined as 'overlordship', very similar in
meaning as sovereignty in this context. So this great journalistic
coup of Mr. Spock's (aka The Dude) is more red herring than anything
else...
 

Have you heard of the great Indian Goof-Up, prior to the 
  Chinese invasion of Tibet.?
  
There was a lot of Speculation that China might invade 
  Tibet.  So the Indian Strategists want didn't want to offend
China, sent a Cleverly worded message to the indian Ambasador stating
that he should convey the mesage to China, India recognises China's
Suzerainity over Tibet.
  
The Indian Ambasador in Beijing misunderstood the 
 message. He made a public announcement that, India recognises
China's Sovereignty over Tibet.!
  
The next day China marched into Tibet.
 
  I don't get it...what's suzerainity?
  
 

 
   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with Terrorism[Shemp]

[Jason Spock]

   Have you heard of the great Indian Goof-Up, prior to the Chinese invasion of Tibet.? There was a lot of Speculation that China might invade Tibet. So the Indian Strategists want didn't want to offend China, sent a Cleverly worded message to the indian Ambasador stating that he should convey the mesage to China, "India recognises China's Suzerainity over Tibet." The Indian Ambasador in Beijing misunderstood the message. He made a public announcement that, "India recognises China's Sovereignty over Tibet.!" The next day China marched into Tibet.  ShempMcGurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 22:17:57 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with Terrorism[Shemp]I don't mean to "blame the victim" but the Dalai Lama, I believe, is contributorily negligent in the holocaust that befell his people because:1) had he known his history -- and most certainly recent history -- he would have known the coming disaster that living next to communists would mean and he could have taken or at least attempted to take remedial
 action...such as: allying himself with America (which he tried to do at the last minute but was too late) or arming his people.2) he actually played footsies with Mao and actually thought that communism had parallels with Tibetan Buddhism and that they were to some degree compatible and that he could live with the communists. Big fat fucking mistake.3) his misinterpretation and bastardization of the concept of non-violence directly led to his inability to adequately protect his people, their culture and their religion.4) If he truly believed in non-violence as he claimed he did, why in heaven's name did he in fact attempt to garner the favor of America when the impending doom of Chinese Communist horror was imminent? Clue: the USA had the atomic bomb. Now, that's not very non-violent of him, is it?  Five years of Indo-Chinese friendship
 ended when Dalai Lama came to India. China wanted Dalai Lama back, but India refused.   The 1962 war, in the words of the Chinese Leadership, was "To Teach India a Lesson."  In the 1950's, indian generals did warn that the North-East defence was weak, but the Indian government under Nehru did not take it seriously.  In 1962, Chinese came down the Mountains with their Guns blazing and it sent india into a blue funk. India was growing very fast at that time. I think India lost about 10 years of progress because of that war.  Smarting under that 1962 defeat, Indian intelligence agency and the American intelligence CIA, got together and created a Indo-Tibetean border force,
 a secret espionage group consisting of Tibetean exiles. They sneaked into Tibet and gathered information and brought it back to indians and Americans. Even Chinese military bases were bugged and tapped by the CIA with the help of this force.  But the real deal was the planting of a secret Nuclear-Spy device in the Nanda-Devi peak in the Hmalayas to evesdrop on the Chinese communication and monitor Missile launches etc. The device did a brilliant job.  Relations between India and America soured in 1971.   
	
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with Terrorism[Shemp]

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  
   Have you heard of the great Indian Goof-Up, prior to the 
Chinese invasion of Tibet.?

   There was a lot of Speculation that China might invade 
Tibet.  So the Indian Strategists want didn't want to offend China, 
sent a Cleverly worded message to the indian Ambasador stating that 
he should convey the mesage to China, India recognises China's 
Suzerainity over Tibet.

   The Indian Ambasador in Beijing misunderstood the message.  
He made a public announcement that, India recognises China's 
Sovereignty over Tibet.!

   The next day China marched into Tibet.


I don't get it...what's suzerainity?



   
 
 ShempMcGurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 22:17:57 -
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with 
Terrorism[Shemp]
 

   I don't mean to blame the victim but the Dalai Lama, I 
believe, is contributorily negligent in the holocaust that befell 
his people because:
 
 1) had he known his history -- and most certainly recent history --
 he would have known the coming disaster that living next to 
communists would mean and he could have taken or at least attempted 
to take remedial action...such as: allying himself with America 
(which he tried to do at the last minute but was too late) or arming 
his people.
 
 2) he actually played footsies with Mao and actually thought that 
communism had parallels with Tibetan Buddhism and that they were to 
some degree compatible and that he could live with the communists.  
Big fat fucking mistake.
 
 3) his misinterpretation and bastardization of the concept of non-
violence directly led to his inability to adequately protect his 
people, their culture and their religion.
 
 4) If he truly believed in non-violence as he claimed he did, why 
in heaven's name did he in fact attempt to garner the favor of 
America when the impending doom of Chinese Communist horror was 
imminent?  Clue: the USA had the atomic bomb.  Now, that's not very 
non-violent of him, is it?
 
Five years of Indo-Chinese friendship ended when Dalai 
Lama came to India.  China wanted Dalai Lama back, but India 
refused.  
 
The 1962 war, in the words of the Chinese Leadership, 
 was To Teach India a Lesson.
 
In the 1950's, indian generals did warn that the North-
East defence was weak, but the Indian government under Nehru did not 
take it seriously.
 
In 1962, Chinese came down the Mountains with their Guns 
blazing and it sent india into a blue funk.  India was growing very 
fast at that time.  I think India lost about 10 years of progress 
because of that war.
 
Smarting under that 1962 defeat, Indian intelligence 
agency and the American intelligence CIA, got together and created a 
Indo-Tibetean border force, a secret espionage group consisting of 
Tibetean exiles.  They sneaked into Tibet and gathered information 
and brought it back to indians and Americans.  Even Chinese military 
bases were bugged and tapped by the CIA with the help of this force.
 
But the real deal was the planting of a secret Nuclear-Spy 
device in the Nanda-Devi peak in the Hmalayas to evesdrop on the 
Chinese communication and monitor Missile launches etc.  The device 
did a brilliant job.
 
Relations between India and America soured in 1971.

 

 
   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with Terrorism[Shemp]

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@ 
 wrote:
 
   
Have you heard of the great Indian Goof-Up, prior to the 
 Chinese invasion of Tibet.?
 
There was a lot of Speculation that China might invade 
 Tibet.  So the Indian Strategists want didn't want to offend 
China, 
 sent a Cleverly worded message to the indian Ambasador stating 
that 
 he should convey the mesage to China, India recognises China's 
 Suzerainity over Tibet.
 
The Indian Ambasador in Beijing misunderstood the 
message.  
 He made a public announcement that, India recognises China's 
 Sovereignty over Tibet.!
 
The next day China marched into Tibet.
 
 
 I don't get it...what's suzerainity?
 
Suzerainty is defined as 'overlordship', very similar in meaning 
as sovereignty in this context. So this great journalistic coup of 
Mr. Spock's (aka The Dude) is more red herring than anything else...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with Terrorism[Shemp]

[Richard J. Williams]

sparaig wrote:
 Ah, so you're using his religious status as a reason to 
 criticize him for his secular actions, even though you 
 apparently don't believe that his religious status is valid...

The Dalai Lama is the secular head of the Tibetan Government - the
Pachen Lama is the head of the religious tradition. However, the
Karmapa, Düsum Khyenpa, was the first reincarnated lama in Tibet, the
first tulku. Therefore, the Gyalwa Karmapa is the real spiritual head
of the Tibetan tradition.
 
'The Great Game: The Struggle for Empire in Central Asia'
by Peter Hopkirk
Kodansha Globe, 1994

'Trespassers on the Roof of the World: The Secret Exploration of Tibet'
by Peter Hopkirk
Kodansha Globe, 1995

Other titles of interest:

'A Cultural History of Tibet'
by David L. Snellgrove, Hugh E. Richardson
Orchid Press, 2004

'Prisoners of Shangri-La: Tibetan Buddhism and the West'
by Donald S. Lopez Jr.
University Of Chicago Press, 1999  

'The Search for the Panchen Lama'
by Isabel Hilton
W. W. Norton, 2001

'Hostage of Beijing: The Abduction of the Panchen Lama'
by Gilles Van Grasdorff, Gilles Van Grasdorff 
Element Books, 1999





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with Terrorism, etc.

[shempmcgurk]

...repeated his opposition to homosexuality...

I find this comment interesting because his most famous follower, 
Richard Gere, is an outspoken advocate for gay rights.








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 LONDON, ENGLAND, March 31, 2006: The exiled Tibetan spiritual 
leader told
 The Daily Telegraph that terrorists should be treated humanely. He 
also
 revealed the workings of his relationship with US President George 
W. Bush,
 said Westerners had become too self-absorbed and repeated his 
opposition to
 homosexuality in a wide-ranging interview. The Dalai Lama said 
modern
 terrorism was born out of jealousy of Western 
lifestyles. Fundamentalism is
 terrifying because it is based purely on emotion, rather than 
intelligence,
 the 70-year-old monk said at the seat of his government-in-exile 
in the
 northern Indian hilltop town of Dharamsala. It prevents followers 
from
 thinking as individuals and about the good of the world. This new 
terrorism
 has been brewing for many years. Much of it is caused by jealousy 
and
 frustration at the West because it looks so highly developed and 
successful
 on television. Leaders in the East use religion to counter that, 
to bind
 these cou ntries together.  Terrorists, he warned, must be treated
 humanely. Otherwise, the problem will escalate. If there is one 
Bin Laden
 killed today, soon there will be 10 Bin Ladens. Awesome. Ten Bin 
Ladens
 killed, the hatred is spread; 100 bombed, and 1,000 lose members 
of their
 families. 
 
 Although he appeared not to approve of the war in Iraq, he was 
admiring of
 Bush. He is very straightforward, said the monk. On our first 
visit, I
 was faced with a large plate of biscuits. President Bush 
immediately offered
 me his favorites, and after that, we got on fine. On my next 
visit, he
 didn't mind when I was blunt about the war. By my third visit, I 
was
 ushering him into the Oval Office. I was astonished by his grasp of
 Buddhism. 
 
 He told the broadsheet that Westerners had become self-absorbed, 
burdened
 with too much choice. It is fascinating. In the West, you have 
bigger
 homes, yet smaller families; you have endless conveniences -- yet 
you never
 seem to have any time. You can travel anywhere in the world, yet 
you don't
 bother to cross the road to meet your neighbors, he said. I 
don't think
 people have become more selfish, but their lives have become 
easier and that
 has spoilt them. They have less resilience, they expect more, they
 constantly compare themselves to others and they have too much 
choice --
 which brings no real freedom.
 
 --From Hindu Press International, April 2, 2006
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with Terrorism, etc.

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 ...repeated his opposition to homosexuality...
 
 I find this comment interesting because his most famous follower, 
 Richard Gere, is an outspoken advocate for gay rights.

Did the Dalai Lama say he opposed equal rights for gays?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with Terrorism, etc.

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 ...repeated his opposition to homosexuality...
 
 I find this comment interesting because his most famous follower, 
 Richard Gere, is an outspoken advocate for gay rights.

Having only been around Maharishi, I guess you 
might not have had much experience with working
with a spiritual teacher and not being expected 
to agree with everything he says.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with Terrorism, etc.

[Vaj]

On Apr 3, 2006, at 12:23 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:

 ...repeated his opposition to homosexuality...

 I find this comment interesting because his most famous follower,
 Richard Gere, is an outspoken advocate for gay rights.

See http://quietmountain.org/links/teachings/gayrites.htm

He has many students who are gay or lesbian--probably not that much  
different than M. or any other teacher.



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wrote:
snip
   I would assume that he wasn't opposed to equal rights for gays 
   (Maybe he's along the lines of the Christian 
   fundamentalist love the sinner but hate the sin, I don't 
   know).
  
  But they're opposed to equal rights for gays.
 
 If by equal rights for gays you mean marriage for gays, etc.
 then, yes, they are opposed to equal rights for gays.

They're opposed to a lot more rights for gays than just
marriage, actually.

 I've always interpreted that phrase to mean the same as it means 
 for African-Americans and other historically oppressed minorities: 
 equal, but not special or exceptional, rights.

Right.  And...?






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[shempmcgurk]

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wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 snip
I would assume that he wasn't opposed to equal rights for 
gays 
(Maybe he's along the lines of the Christian 
fundamentalist love the sinner but hate the sin, I don't 
know).
   
   But they're opposed to equal rights for gays.
  
  If by equal rights for gays you mean marriage for gays, etc.
  then, yes, they are opposed to equal rights for gays.
 
 They're opposed to a lot more rights for gays than just
 marriage, actually.




And what about the Dalia Lama?

Would you suppose he is opposed to MORE or LESS rights for gays than 
the Christian Fundies?




 
  I've always interpreted that phrase to mean the same as it means 
  for African-Americans and other historically oppressed 
minorities: 
  equal, but not special or exceptional, rights.
 
 Right.  And...?


And what?





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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
shempmcgurk@ 
  wrote:
  snip
 I would assume that he wasn't opposed to equal rights for 
 gays 
 (Maybe he's along the lines of the Christian 
 fundamentalist love the sinner but hate the sin, I don't 
 know).

But they're opposed to equal rights for gays.
   
   If by equal rights for gays you mean marriage for gays, etc.
   then, yes, they are opposed to equal rights for gays.
  
  They're opposed to a lot more rights for gays than just
  marriage, actually.
 
 And what about the Dalia Lama?
 
 Would you suppose he is opposed to MORE or LESS rights for gays 
 than the Christian Fundies?

My guess is he's for equal rights for gays, unlike
the fundies.







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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 shempmcgurk@ 
   wrote:
   snip
  I would assume that he wasn't opposed to equal rights 
for 
  gays 
  (Maybe he's along the lines of the Christian 
  fundamentalist love the sinner but hate the sin, I 
don't 
  know).
 
 But they're opposed to equal rights for gays.

If by equal rights for gays you mean marriage for gays, 
etc.
then, yes, they are opposed to equal rights for gays.
   
   They're opposed to a lot more rights for gays than just
   marriage, actually.
  
  And what about the Dalia Lama?
  
  Would you suppose he is opposed to MORE or LESS rights for gays 
  than the Christian Fundies?
 
 My guess is he's for equal rights for gays, unlike
 the fundies.


So, you guess that he's for gay marriage?






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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
shempmcgurk@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
  shempmcgurk@ 
wrote:
snip
   I would assume that he wasn't opposed to equal rights 
 for 
   gays 
   (Maybe he's along the lines of the Christian 
   fundamentalist love the sinner but hate the sin, I 
 don't 
   know).
  
  But they're opposed to equal rights for gays.
 
 If by equal rights for gays you mean marriage for gays, 
 etc.
 then, yes, they are opposed to equal rights for gays.

They're opposed to a lot more rights for gays than just
marriage, actually.
   
   And what about the Dalia Lama?
   
   Would you suppose he is opposed to MORE or LESS rights for gays 
   than the Christian Fundies?
  
  My guess is he's for equal rights for gays, unlike
  the fundies.
 
 
 So, you guess that he's for gay marriage?

Hmm, I think I said he was for equal rights for gays.








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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 Rick, this is one of the most thoughtful analyses I've read in a 
 while...Western life is full of ironies, not the least is that 
while 
 claiming to be a religious nation, the US kills others and 
neglects 
 its own in far greater numbers than any other industrialized 
nation.



...yet the Dalai Lama's own negligence contributed to 1.5 million of 
his own people being murdered by the Chinese communists and the 
millions that were left had their religion, culture and way of life 
decimated.


 
 Sal
 
 
 On Apr 3, 2006, at 11:36 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
 
   He told the broadsheet that Westerners had become self-
absorbed, 
  burdened with too much choice. It is fascinating. In the West, 
you 
  have bigger homes, yet smaller families; you have endless 
conveniences 
  -- yet you never seem to have any time. You can travel anywhere 
in the 
  world, yet you don't bother to cross the road to meet your 
neighbors, 
  he said.







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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 shempmcgurk@ 
   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
   shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 snip
I would assume that he wasn't opposed to equal 
rights 
  for 
gays 
(Maybe he's along the lines of the Christian 
fundamentalist love the sinner but hate the sin, I 
  don't 
know).
   
   But they're opposed to equal rights for gays.
  
  If by equal rights for gays you mean marriage for 
gays, 
  etc.
  then, yes, they are opposed to equal rights for gays.
 
 They're opposed to a lot more rights for gays than just
 marriage, actually.

And what about the Dalia Lama?

Would you suppose he is opposed to MORE or LESS rights for 
gays 
than the Christian Fundies?
   
   My guess is he's for equal rights for gays, unlike
   the fundies.
  
  
  So, you guess that he's for gay marriage?
 
 Hmm, I think I said he was for equal rights for gays.



Well, actually, you said that you guess he's for it.

Okay, well I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that he is NOT 
for it.

Who do you think is right, me or you?



 
 







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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
  shempmcgurk@ 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
shempmcgurk@ 
  wrote:
  snip
 I would assume that he wasn't opposed to equal 
 rights 
   for 
 gays 
 (Maybe he's along the lines of the Christian 
 fundamentalist love the sinner but hate the sin, I 
   don't 
 know).

But they're opposed to equal rights for gays.
   
   If by equal rights for gays you mean marriage for 
 gays, 
   etc.
   then, yes, they are opposed to equal rights for gays.
  
  They're opposed to a lot more rights for gays than just
  marriage, actually.
 
 And what about the Dalia Lama?
 
 Would you suppose he is opposed to MORE or LESS rights for 
 gays 
 than the Christian Fundies?

My guess is he's for equal rights for gays, unlike
the fundies.
   
   
   So, you guess that he's for gay marriage?
  
  Hmm, I think I said he was for equal rights for gays.
 
 
 
 Well, actually, you said that you guess he's for it.
 
 Okay, well I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that he is NOT 
 for it.
 
 Who do you think is right, me or you?


The religious leader said at the press conference that he had
previously been asked his views on gay marriage, and said that such
social sanction of gay relationships has to be judged in the context
of the society itself and the laws and social norms.

During the 45-minute meeting, the Nobel peace laureate and Buddhist
religious leader voiced his support for the full recognition of human
rights for all people, regardless of sexual orientation.

Buddhist sexual proscriptions ban homosexual sexual activity and
heterosexual sex through orifices other than the vagina, including
masturbation or other sexual activity with the hand. Buddhist
proscriptions also forbid sex at certain times - such as during full
and half moon days, the daytime, and during a wife's menstrual period
or pregnancy - or near shrines or temples. Adultery is considered
sexual misconduct, but the hiring of a female prostitute for
penile-vaginal sex is not, unless one pays a third party to procure
the person.

From a Buddhist point of view, lesbian and gay sex is generally
considered sexual misconduct, the Dalai Lama told reporters at a
press conference a day earlier.

However, such proscriptions are for members of the Buddhist faith -
and from society's viewpoint, homosexual sexual relations can be of
mutual benefit, enjoyable, and harmless, according to the Dalai Lama.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with Terrorism, etc.

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
shempmcgurk@ 
   wrote:
   
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wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
   shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend 
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 shempmcgurk@ 
   wrote:
   snip
  I would assume that he wasn't opposed to equal 
  rights 
for 
  gays 
  (Maybe he's along the lines of the Christian 
  fundamentalist love the sinner but hate the 
sin, I 
don't 
  know).
 
 But they're opposed to equal rights for gays.

If by equal rights for gays you mean marriage for 
  gays, 
etc.
then, yes, they are opposed to equal rights for gays.
   
   They're opposed to a lot more rights for gays than just
   marriage, actually.
  
  And what about the Dalia Lama?
  
  Would you suppose he is opposed to MORE or LESS rights 
for 
  gays 
  than the Christian Fundies?
 
 My guess is he's for equal rights for gays, unlike
 the fundies.


So, you guess that he's for gay marriage?
   
   Hmm, I think I said he was for equal rights for gays.
  
  
  
  Well, actually, you said that you guess he's for it.
  
  Okay, well I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that he is 
NOT 
  for it.
  
  Who do you think is right, me or you?
 
 
 The religious leader said at the press conference that he had
 previously been asked his views on gay marriage, and said that such
 social sanction of gay relationships has to be judged in the 
context
 of the society itself and the laws and social norms.





Then according to the above, he would be against it in America 
because the laws prohibit it.




 
 During the 45-minute meeting, the Nobel peace laureate and Buddhist
 religious leader voiced his support for the full recognition of 
human
 rights for all people, regardless of sexual orientation.
 
 Buddhist sexual proscriptions ban homosexual sexual activity and
 heterosexual sex through orifices other than the vagina, including
 masturbation or other sexual activity with the hand. Buddhist
 proscriptions also forbid sex at certain times - such as during 
full
 and half moon days, the daytime, and during a wife's menstrual 
period
 or pregnancy - or near shrines or temples. Adultery is considered
 sexual misconduct, but the hiring of a female prostitute for
 penile-vaginal sex is not, unless one pays a third party to procure
 the person.
 
 From a Buddhist point of view, lesbian and gay sex is generally
 considered sexual misconduct, the Dalai Lama told reporters at a
 press conference a day earlier.
 
 However, such proscriptions are for members of the Buddhist faith -
 and from society's viewpoint, homosexual sexual relations can 
be of
 mutual benefit, enjoyable, and harmless, according to the Dalai 
Lama.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with Terrorism[Shemp]

[Jason Spock]

   Would you please elaborate on this ShempMcGurk.?? Five years of Indo-Chinese friendship ended when Dalai Lama came to India. China wanted Dalai Lama back, but India refused.  The 1962 war, in the words of the Chinese Leadership, was "To Teach India a Lesson." In the 1950's, indian generals did warn that the North-East defence was weak, but the Indian government under Nehru did not take it
 seriously. In 1962, Chinese came down the Mountains with their Guns blazing and it sent india into a blue funk. India was growing very fast at that time. I think India lost about 10 years of progress because of that war. Smarting under that 1962 defeat, Indian intelligence agency and the American intelligence CIA, got together and created a Indo-Tibetean border force,a secret espionage group consisting of Tibetean exiles. They sneaked into Tibet and gathered information and brought it back to indians and Americans. Even Chinese military bases were bugged and tapped by the CIA with the help of this
 force. But the real deal was the planting ofa secret Nuclear-Spy device in the Nanda-Devi peak in the Hmalayas to evesdrop on the Chinese communication and monitor Missile launches etc. The device did a brilliant job. Relations between India and America soured in 1971.  ShempMcGurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 17:50:20 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with Terrorism, etc.
...yet the Dalai Lama's own negligence contributed to 1.5 million of his own people being murdered by the Chinese communists and the millions that were left had their religion, culture and way of life decimated.
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[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 ...repeated his opposition to homosexuality...
 
 I find this comment interesting because his most famous follower, 
 Richard Gere, is an outspoken advocate for gay rights.
 
 

So, is Tibetan Buddhism rife with homophobia because the Dali Lama 
makes public statements about it? The TM organization has never made 
a public statement about homosexuality that I am aware of, and 
Maharishi never has directed any video that includes such remarks to 
be distributed to TMers OR people on TTC or ATTC, or recertification, 
or whatever.



 
 
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
 fairfieldlife@ wrote:
 
  LONDON, ENGLAND, March 31, 2006: The exiled Tibetan spiritual 
 leader told
  The Daily Telegraph that terrorists should be treated humanely. 
He 
 also
  revealed the workings of his relationship with US President 
George 
 W. Bush,
  said Westerners had become too self-absorbed and repeated his 
 opposition to
  homosexuality in a wide-ranging interview. The Dalai Lama said 
 modern
  terrorism was born out of jealousy of Western 
 lifestyles. Fundamentalism is
  terrifying because it is based purely on emotion, rather than 
 intelligence,
  the 70-year-old monk said at the seat of his government-in-exile 
 in the
  northern Indian hilltop town of Dharamsala. It prevents 
followers 
 from
  thinking as individuals and about the good of the world. This 
new 
 terrorism
  has been brewing for many years. Much of it is caused by jealousy 
 and
  frustration at the West because it looks so highly developed and 
 successful
  on television. Leaders in the East use religion to counter that, 
 to bind
  these cou ntries together.  Terrorists, he warned, must be 
treated
  humanely. Otherwise, the problem will escalate. If there is one 
 Bin Laden
  killed today, soon there will be 10 Bin Ladens. Awesome. Ten Bin 
 Ladens
  killed, the hatred is spread; 100 bombed, and 1,000 lose members 
 of their
  families. 
  
  Although he appeared not to approve of the war in Iraq, he was 
 admiring of
  Bush. He is very straightforward, said the monk. On our first 
 visit, I
  was faced with a large plate of biscuits. President Bush 
 immediately offered
  me his favorites, and after that, we got on fine. On my next 
 visit, he
  didn't mind when I was blunt about the war. By my third visit, I 
 was
  ushering him into the Oval Office. I was astonished by his grasp 
of
  Buddhism. 
  
  He told the broadsheet that Westerners had become self-absorbed, 
 burdened
  with too much choice. It is fascinating. In the West, you have 
 bigger
  homes, yet smaller families; you have endless conveniences -- yet 
 you never
  seem to have any time. You can travel anywhere in the world, yet 
 you don't
  bother to cross the road to meet your neighbors, he said. I 
 don't think
  people have become more selfish, but their lives have become 
 easier and that
  has spoilt them. They have less resilience, they expect more, they
  constantly compare themselves to others and they have too much 
 choice --
  which brings no real freedom.
  
  --From Hindu Press International, April 2, 2006
  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with Terrorism, etc.

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  ...repeated his opposition to homosexuality...
  
  I find this comment interesting because his most famous follower, 
  Richard Gere, is an outspoken advocate for gay rights.
 
 Having only been around Maharishi, I guess you 
 might not have had much experience with working
 with a spiritual teacher and not being expected 
 to agree with everything he says.
 
 :-)


Yeah, and MMY has always made a point of saying he's against 
homosexuality when he gets a chance to speak in public.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with Terrorism, etc.

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 Isn't Bush the first President to receive the Dalai Lama in  the 
White House? 
 All the others didn't want to *offend* the  Chinese.


Since the neocons identify the Chinese as the Next Big Enemy (this war 
on terror thing is merely a distraction), its not surprising.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with Terrorism, etc.

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 I know you'd love to pidgeon-hole me into the stereotype of what you 
 see as the cult-members of the TMO (which any regular reader of this 
 forum knows I am front and foremost in opposing) but, Barry, I know 
 you know better than that so I won't distinguish your remarks by any 
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You can always tell when Barry's been having a tough
time in his personal life.  The worse things are going
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with Terrorism[Shemp]

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  
   Would you please elaborate on this ShempMcGurk.??



I don't mean to blame the victim but the Dalai Lama, I believe, is 
contributorily negligent in the holocaust that befell his people 
because:

1) had he known his history -- and most certainly recent history -- 
he would have known the coming disaster that living next to 
communists would mean and he could have taken or at least attempted 
to take remedial action...such as: allying himself with America 
(which he tried to do at the last minute but was too late) or arming 
his people.

2) he actually played footsies with Mao and actually thought that 
communism had parallels with Tibetan Buddhism and that they were to 
some degree compatible and that he could live with the communists.  
Big fat fucking mistake.

3) his misinterpretation and bastardization of the concept of non-
violence directly led to his inability to adequately protect his 
people, their culture and their religion.

4) If he truly believed in non-violence as he claimed he did, why in 
heaven's name did he in fact attempt to garner the favor of America 
when the impending doom of Chinese Communist horror was imminent?  
Clue: the USA had the atomic bomb.  Now, that's not very non-violent 
of him, is it?





   Five years of Indo-Chinese friendship ended when Dalai Lama 
came to India.  China wanted Dalai Lama back, but India refused.  

   The 1962 war, in the words of the Chinese Leadership, 
was To Teach India a Lesson.

   In the 1950's, indian generals did warn that the North-East 
defence was weak, but the Indian government under Nehru did not take 
it seriously.

   In 1962, Chinese came down the Mountains with their Guns 
blazing and it sent india into a blue funk.  India was growing very 
fast at that time.  I think India lost about 10 years of progress 
because of that war.

   Smarting under that 1962 defeat, Indian intelligence agency 
and the American intelligence CIA, got together and created a Indo-
Tibetean border force, a secret espionage group consisting of 
Tibetean exiles.  They sneaked into Tibet and gathered information 
and brought it back to indians and Americans.  Even Chinese military 
bases were bugged and tapped by the CIA with the help of this force.

   But the real deal was the planting of a secret Nuclear-Spy 
device in the Nanda-Devi peak in the Hmalayas to evesdrop on the 
Chinese communication and monitor Missile launches etc.  The device 
did a brilliant job.

   Relations between India and America soured in 1971.
   
 
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   Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 17:50:20 -
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with 
Terrorism, etc.
 

...yet the Dalai Lama's own negligence contributed to 1.5 
million of his own people being murdered by the Chinese communists 
and the millions that were left had their religion, culture and way 
of life decimated.
 
 
 
   
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with Terrorism[Shemp]

[Rick Archer]

on 4/3/06 4:17 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  
   Would you please elaborate on this ShempMcGurk.??
 
 
 
 I don't mean to blame the victim but the Dalai Lama, I believe, is
 contributorily negligent in the holocaust that befell his people
 because:
 
 1) had he known his history -- and most certainly recent history --
 he would have known the coming disaster that living next to
 communists would mean and he could have taken or at least attempted
 to take remedial action...such as: allying himself with America
 (which he tried to do at the last minute but was too late) or arming
 his people.

How old was he when China invaded? Wasn't he just a boy?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with Terrorism, etc.

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
 
  Isn't Bush the first President to receive the Dalai Lama in  the 
 White House? 
  All the others didn't want to *offend* the  Chinese.
 
 
 Since the neocons identify the Chinese as the Next Big Enemy (this 
war 
 on terror thing is merely a distraction), its not surprising.



Could you please tell me which neocons have said that?  'Cause most 
neocons I read or hear pretty much say the exact opposite.  Red 
China is, in many respects, more capitalistic than Canada.  Red 
China is the USA's 3rd or 4th largest trading partner (I'm not sure 
which) which always bodes very well for peace (pretty hard to go to 
war with your best customer!).

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with Terrorism[Shemp]

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 4/3/06 4:17 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@
  wrote:
  
   
Would you please elaborate on this ShempMcGurk.??
  
  
  
  I don't mean to blame the victim but the Dalai Lama, I 
believe, is
  contributorily negligent in the holocaust that befell his people
  because:
  
  1) had he known his history -- and most certainly recent 
history --
  he would have known the coming disaster that living next to
  communists would mean and he could have taken or at least 
attempted
  to take remedial action...such as: allying himself with America
  (which he tried to do at the last minute but was too late) or 
arming
  his people.
 
 How old was he when China invaded? Wasn't he just a boy?


I think he was in his teens.  

But his age was irrelevant because, apparently, in Tibet there is no 
minimum age of consent for being the incarnation of the Lord of the 
Universe.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with Terrorism[Shemp]

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 on 4/3/06 4:17 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@
  wrote:
  
   
Would you please elaborate on this ShempMcGurk.??
  
  
  
  I don't mean to blame the victim but the Dalai Lama, I believe, 
is
  contributorily negligent in the holocaust that befell his people
  because:
  
  1) had he known his history -- and most certainly recent history -
-
  he would have known the coming disaster that living next to
  communists would mean and he could have taken or at least 
attempted
  to take remedial action...such as: allying himself with America
  (which he tried to do at the last minute but was too late) or 
arming
  his people.
 
 How old was he when China invaded? Wasn't he just a boy?


He's 70 now, according to one article referenced here. 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with Terrorism, etc.

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
  
   Isn't Bush the first President to receive the Dalai Lama in  
the 
  White House? 
   All the others didn't want to *offend* the  Chinese.
  
  
  Since the neocons identify the Chinese as the Next Big Enemy 
(this 
 war 
  on terror thing is merely a distraction), its not surprising.
 
 
 
 Could you please tell me which neocons have said that?  'Cause most 
 neocons I read or hear pretty much say the exact opposite.  Red 
 China is, in many respects, more capitalistic than Canada.  Red 
 China is the USA's 3rd or 4th largest trading partner (I'm not sure 
 which) which always bodes very well for peace (pretty hard to go to 
 war with your best customer!).
 
 Perhaps you are confusing the Chinese with the North Koreans


the PNAC neocons have said it in their justification for how American 
military might needs to be projected in the Middle East (e.g. 
invasion of Iraq).





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[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
 fairfieldlife@ wrote:
 
  on 4/3/06 4:17 PM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@
   wrote:
   

 Would you please elaborate on this ShempMcGurk.??
   
   
   
   I don't mean to blame the victim but the Dalai Lama, I 
 believe, is
   contributorily negligent in the holocaust that befell his people
   because:
   
   1) had he known his history -- and most certainly recent 
 history --
   he would have known the coming disaster that living next to
   communists would mean and he could have taken or at least 
 attempted
   to take remedial action...such as: allying himself with America
   (which he tried to do at the last minute but was too late) or 
 arming
   his people.
  
  How old was he when China invaded? Wasn't he just a boy?
 
 
 I think he was in his teens.  
 
 But his age was irrelevant because, apparently, in Tibet there is 
no 
 minimum age of consent for being the incarnation of the Lord of the 
 Universe.

Ah, so you're using his religious status as a reason to criticize him 
for his secular actions, even though you apparently don't believe 
that his religious status is valid...

Er, yeah...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with Terrorism[Shemp]

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
  fairfieldlife@ wrote:
  
   on 4/3/06 4:17 PM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock 
jedi_spock@
wrote:

 
  Would you please elaborate on this ShempMcGurk.??



I don't mean to blame the victim but the Dalai Lama, I 
  believe, is
contributorily negligent in the holocaust that befell his 
people
because:

1) had he known his history -- and most certainly recent 
  history --
he would have known the coming disaster that living next to
communists would mean and he could have taken or at least 
  attempted
to take remedial action...such as: allying himself with 
America
(which he tried to do at the last minute but was too late) 
or 
  arming
his people.
   
   How old was he when China invaded? Wasn't he just a boy?
  
  
  I think he was in his teens.  
  
  But his age was irrelevant because, apparently, in Tibet there 
is 
 no 
  minimum age of consent for being the incarnation of the Lord of 
the 
  Universe.
 
 Ah, so you're using his religious status as a reason to criticize 
him 
 for his secular actions, even though you apparently don't believe 
 that his religious status is valid...
 
 Er, yeah...


No, I was making a comment on the fact that he was chosen as a child 
to be the Lord of the Universe.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama: Meditation as Therapy

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coshlnx coshlnx@ wrote:
  
   --- 
   
   --- 
http://www.snowlionpub.com/pages/N73_1.php
   
   Another article: Science at the Crossroads by the Dalai Lama
   http://www.dalailama.com/page.8.htm 
   
   
   --- End forwarded message ---
  
  This article is such a pleasure to read.  In fact, it seems as if
 the Dalai Lama is picking up 
  where MMY left off back in the 70's.  This is the kind of 
reasoned,
 no-hype, generous 
  discussion that I had thought the TMO would be leading to.  MMY 
and
 all the hype must be 
  doing something, but I would think that this style of 
conversation
 and research influences 
  so many more people.  Such different approaches to essentially 
the
 same stuff.
 
 
 
 I also enjoyed reading the article, as I have enjoyed many other 
texts
 by the Dalai Lama.
 In him I perceive a person with clarity of reason and compassion of
 heart  and with capacity  of integrating to a whole the modern
 scientific evolving world and ancient wisdom. He is ready to 
question
 ancient texts, if modern  scientific empirical evidence shows
 otherwise. He has been capable of  changing his position in the for
 him important issue of liberating Tibet from the occupation by 
China
 and accepts it now. He is humble and wise. 
 
 Irmeli



P.S.

I find him neither humble nore wise.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama: Meditation as Therapy

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coshlnx coshlnx@ wrote:
  
   --- 
   
   --- 
http://www.snowlionpub.com/pages/N73_1.php
   
   Another article: Science at the Crossroads by the Dalai Lama
   http://www.dalailama.com/page.8.htm 
   
   
   --- End forwarded message ---
  
  This article is such a pleasure to read.  In fact, it seems as if
 the Dalai Lama is picking up 
  where MMY left off back in the 70's.  This is the kind of 
reasoned,
 no-hype, generous 
  discussion that I had thought the TMO would be leading to.  MMY 
and
 all the hype must be 
  doing something, but I would think that this style of 
conversation
 and research influences 
  so many more people.  Such different approaches to essentially 
the
 same stuff.
 
 
 
 I also enjoyed reading the article, as I have enjoyed many other 
texts
 by the Dalai Lama.
 In him I perceive a person with clarity of reason and compassion of
 heart  and with capacity  of integrating to a whole the modern
 scientific evolving world and ancient wisdom. He is ready to 
question
 ancient texts, if modern  scientific empirical evidence shows
 otherwise. He has been capable of  changing his position in the for
 him important issue of liberating Tibet from the occupation by 
China
 and accepts it now. He is humble and wise. 
 
 Irmeli


He's also the person that was at the head of a country that saw 1.5 
million of its inhabitants murdered and its entire culture and 
religion devastated.

I don't want to blame the victim here, but the Dalai Lama must at 
least take some degree of responsibility for the horrors that befell 
Tibet.  And his bastardization of the entire cult of non-violence 
is, IMHO, responsible to a very great degree.

Why this man got a Nobel Peace Prize I'll never know.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama: Meditation as Therapy

[Irmeli Mattsson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coshlnx coshlnx@ wrote:
 
  --- 
  
  --- 
   http://www.snowlionpub.com/pages/N73_1.php
  
  Another article: Science at the Crossroads by the Dalai Lama
  http://www.dalailama.com/page.8.htm 
  
  
  --- End forwarded message ---
 
 This article is such a pleasure to read.  In fact, it seems as if
the Dalai Lama is picking up 
 where MMY left off back in the 70's.  This is the kind of reasoned,
no-hype, generous 
 discussion that I had thought the TMO would be leading to.  MMY and
all the hype must be 
 doing something, but I would think that this style of conversation
and research influences 
 so many more people.  Such different approaches to essentially the
same stuff.



I also enjoyed reading the article, as I have enjoyed many other texts
by the Dalai Lama.
In him I perceive a person with clarity of reason and compassion of
heart  and with capacity  of integrating to a whole the modern
scientific evolving world and ancient wisdom. He is ready to question
ancient texts, if modern  scientific empirical evidence shows
otherwise. He has been capable of  changing his position in the for
him important issue of liberating Tibet from the occupation by China
and accepts it now. He is humble and wise. 

Irmeli







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama: Meditation as Therapy

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coshlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- 
 
 --- 
  http://www.snowlionpub.com/pages/N73_1.php
 
 Another article: Science at the Crossroads by the Dalai Lama
 http://www.dalailama.com/page.8.htm 
 
 
 --- End forwarded message ---

This article is such a pleasure to read.  In fact, it seems as if the Dalai 
Lama is picking up 
where MMY left off back in the 70's.  This is the kind of reasoned, no-hype, 
generous 
discussion that I had thought the TMO would be leading to.  MMY and all the 
hype must be 
doing something, but I would think that this style of conversation and research 
influences 
so many more people.  Such different approaches to essentially the same stuff. 






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama: Meditation as Therapy

[Vaj]

On Feb 12, 2006, at 7:45 PM, wayback71 wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "coshlnx" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  ---   ---  http://www.snowlionpub.com/pages/N73_1.php  Another article: "Science at the Crossroads" by the Dalai Lama http://www.dalailama.com/page.8.htm    --- End forwarded message ---  This article is such a pleasure to read.  In fact, it seems as if the Dalai Lama is picking up  where MMY left off back in the 70's.  This is the kind of reasoned, no-hype, generous  discussion that I had thought the TMO would be leading to.  MMY and all the hype must be  doing something, but I would think that this style of conversation and research influences  so many more people.  Such different approaches to essentially the same stuff. Being intimately familiar with both systems there is a vast difference between these two systems in terms of breadth and depth. TM would represent a basic meditation practice whereas the inner tantras represent a profound and comprehensive technology of higher consciousness. While there are superficial similarities, in terms of practice and techniques, one goes far beyond the other. This particular lecture is but one of many given over the last decade--actually many have already been published--but definitely worth reading if the crossroad of science and spirituality interest you.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama gives you a Test

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 Hari Om,
Dalai Lama has devised a small test for you.  
 I have attached a PPS file.  Scroll down to the bottom and click 
 View Attachments.

Those of us reading the group on the Yahoo website
cannot ever see attachments; they are filtered out
(and a good thing, too).

So I can't tell for sure, not having seen the doc
you posted, but I have seen several tests on the
Internet purporting to have come from the Dalai 
Lama.  Not one of them has ever had anything to
do with him, and my suspicion is that this one
doesn't, either.







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