[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > > In this case, I would think that the person you are recom- > > > > mending this approach to really would benefit more from > > > > the *opposite* approach -- a heavy regimen of focus and > > > > focused intent. But that's a guess on my part, and it's > > > > irrelevant in any case because she's firmly locked into > > > > Waiting Mode, probably for the rest of the incarnation. > > > > There is not an ice cube's chance in Hell that she's > > > > ever going to try anything new, ever again in this life > > > > so any suggestions to the contrary are just wasted breath. > > > > > > Neither Tom nor Barry has the *foggiest* idea of what > > > my approach is. Neither seems to be capable of > > > conceiving of an approach that is neither "throw in the > > > towel" nor "Waiting Mode" nor "a heavy regimen of focus > > > and focused intent." > > > > > > And of course in his current little rant Barry is > > > contradicting himself six ways to Sunday. In earlier > > > posts he's mocked those who take the "seeker" approach > > > of *trying* to become enlightened instead of simply > > > being open to enlightenment; likewise he has dumped > > > on people for not trusting their own experience. > > > > > > And here he's advocating that I do both. > > > > Its Brahman Barry. He IS the paradox of Brahman. > > > > "This is true (and you are a total dumbshit for not beleiving it). > > And btw that (complete opposite) is true (and you are a total > > dumbshit for not beleiving it). And though I see Self in all > > beings, I am way better than you." > > The idea is to maximize the number of opportunities > he has to call somebody he doesn't like a dumbshit and > maintain that he's better than they are. The coherence > of the specific positions he has to take to accomplish > this is entirely irrelevant. Actually, the more inconsistent and incoherent the better, because it gives him yet another opportunity to call those who point this out dumbshits for valuing consistency and coherence. It's called "making a virtue of necessity," given that clear thinking has never been Barry's strong point and that he's compulsively driven to label as many people as possible dumbshits in order to convince himself that he's not the dumbest shit of all. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > In this case, I would think that the person you are recom- > > > mending this approach to really would benefit more from > > > the *opposite* approach -- a heavy regimen of focus and > > > focused intent. But that's a guess on my part, and it's > > > irrelevant in any case because she's firmly locked into > > > Waiting Mode, probably for the rest of the incarnation. > > > There is not an ice cube's chance in Hell that she's > > > ever going to try anything new, ever again in this life > > > so any suggestions to the contrary are just wasted breath. > > > > Neither Tom nor Barry has the *foggiest* idea of what > > my approach is. Neither seems to be capable of > > conceiving of an approach that is neither "throw in the > > towel" nor "Waiting Mode" nor "a heavy regimen of focus > > and focused intent." > > > > And of course in his current little rant Barry is > > contradicting himself six ways to Sunday. In earlier > > posts he's mocked those who take the "seeker" approach > > of *trying* to become enlightened instead of simply > > being open to enlightenment; likewise he has dumped > > on people for not trusting their own experience. > > > > And here he's advocating that I do both. > > Its Brahman Barry. He IS the paradox of Brahman. > > "This is true (and you are a total dumbshit for not beleiving it). > And btw that (complete opposite) is true (and you are a total > dumbshit for not beleiving it). And though I see Self in all > beings, I am way better than you." The idea is to maximize the number of opportunities he has to call somebody he doesn't like a dumbshit and maintain that he's better than they are. The coherence of the specific positions he has to take to accomplish this is entirely irrelevant. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In > > FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" > > wrote: > > > > Throw in the towel and see what can happen. Being a not seeker > > > may be a new and wondeful experience full of freedom. What have > > > you got to lose. You haven't gotten it with all that seeking. Tom > > > > Tom, I understand why you feel this way. (IMO, of course.) > > It's because this approach worked for you. So naturally, > > you think it'll work for everyone. I have no such illusions. > > "Different strokes for different folks" is not just about > > preferences...it's about predilection, a way of saying that > > the approach to enlightenment that allows some people to > > realize it Just Wouldn't Work for other people. > > > > In this case, I would think that the person you are recom- > > mending this approach to really would benefit more from > > the *opposite* approach -- a heavy regimen of focus and > > focused intent. But that's a guess on my part, and it's > > irrelevant in any case because she's firmly locked into > > Waiting Mode, probably for the rest of the incarnation. > > There is not an ice cube's chance in Hell that she's > > ever going to try anything new, ever again in this life > > so any suggestions to the contrary are just wasted breath. > > Neither Tom nor Barry has the *foggiest* idea of what > my approach is. Neither seems to be capable of > conceiving of an approach that is neither "throw in the > towel" nor "Waiting Mode" nor "a heavy regimen of focus > and focused intent." > > And of course in his current little rant Barry is > contradicting himself six ways to Sunday. In earlier > posts he's mocked those who take the "seeker" approach > of *trying* to become enlightened instead of simply > being open to enlightenment; likewise he has dumped > on people for not trusting their own experience. > > And here he's advocating that I do both. Its Brahman Barry. He IS the paradox of Brahman. "This is true (and you are a total dumbshit for not beleiving it). And btw that (complete opposite) is true (and you are a total dumbshit for not beleiving it). And though I see Self in all beings, I am way better than you." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In > FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" > wrote: > > Throw in the towel and see what can happen. Being a not seeker > > may be a new and wondeful experience full of freedom. What have > > you got to lose. You haven't gotten it with all that seeking. Tom > > Tom, I understand why you feel this way. (IMO, of course.) > It's because this approach worked for you. So naturally, > you think it'll work for everyone. I have no such illusions. > "Different strokes for different folks" is not just about > preferences...it's about predilection, a way of saying that > the approach to enlightenment that allows some people to > realize it Just Wouldn't Work for other people. > > In this case, I would think that the person you are recom- > mending this approach to really would benefit more from > the *opposite* approach -- a heavy regimen of focus and > focused intent. But that's a guess on my part, and it's > irrelevant in any case because she's firmly locked into > Waiting Mode, probably for the rest of the incarnation. > There is not an ice cube's chance in Hell that she's > ever going to try anything new, ever again in this life > so any suggestions to the contrary are just wasted breath. Neither Tom nor Barry has the *foggiest* idea of what my approach is. Neither seems to be capable of conceiving of an approach that is neither "throw in the towel" nor "Waiting Mode" nor "a heavy regimen of focus and focused intent." And of course in his current little rant Barry is contradicting himself six ways to Sunday. In earlier posts he's mocked those who take the "seeker" approach of *trying* to become enlightened instead of simply being open to enlightenment; likewise he has dumped on people for not trusting their own experience. And here he's advocating that I do both. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > TorquiseB writes snipped final para > > I'm not going to pursue this whole subject here any > more, though. There is just too much resistance on > this forum to presenting the taking-an-active-role- > in-your-own-realization approach. It's just a waste > of time to talk about it, because the decades of > indoctrination have been too effective. The waiters > have been waiting so long that they can't even > imagine that there is something they could do > other than waiting. And they get angry when someone > *does* suggest such a thing. So I'm going to leave > them to their waiting, and hope that approach works > out for them in the future a little better than it's > worked out for them so far. > > Tom T: > The reason I suggested Judy and others just give it up is that they > have been using every ounce of will and intention as seekers for > thirty some years and have yet to find that for which they seek. If > one can really give up the addiction to seeking the only place > left to > fall into is the Self. You have looked outside for it for ever too > long. It is inside just stop seeking, give up caring about what has > been described. Fall back onto who you are. You allready know this > simple thing you are so familiar with yet you overlook it for some > grandiose thing. It is just that simple. As one man so succintly > put > it one night when it finally dawned on him that this simple state > we > are is IT. He said I want my money back for all the courses and CCP > program, I have know this for 25 years. It can't be this simple. > Well, > three weeks later he finally admitted that this simple thing really > was it and every concept of what it had to look like and be was > gone > and he couldn't hang onto any of those old concepts. Throw in the > towel and see what can happen. Being a not seeker may be a new and > wondeful experience full of freedom. What have you got to lose. You > haven't gotten it with all that seeking. Tom Tom, I understand why you feel this way. (IMO, of course.) It's because this approach worked for you. So naturally, you think it'll work for everyone. I have no such illusions. "Different strokes for different folks" is not just about preferences...it's about predilection, a way of saying that the approach to enlightenment that allows some people to realize it Just Wouldn't Work for other people. In this case, I would think that the person you are recom- mending this approach to really would benefit more from the *opposite* approach -- a heavy regimen of focus and focused intent. But that's a guess on my part, and it's irrelevant in any case because she's firmly locked into Waiting Mode, probably for the rest of the incarnation. There is not an ice cube's chance in Hell that she's ever going to try anything new, ever again in this life so any suggestions to the contrary are just wasted breath. My only point to *you* is that there are many paradigms for discovering what has always already been present. One is very much in the TM mold...just practicing one's sadhana and waiting to see if anything happens. This discussion group should offer proof that this approach does work, at least for a few. Very few. This group also provides some evidence that exposure to the Neo-Advaitan "stop all this seeking and just realize that it's already present" approach *also* works. For some people. I'm suggesting only that there are *other* paradigms and approaches out there that might work for others, and among them is the use of intent and effort and strong focus. You don't hear about that approach much on this group because (IMO) people have been brainwashed over the decades into believing that effort of any kind is somehow "bad" -- some- thing associated with ego. But this approach *does* work for some people. Go figure. Enlightenment is an "equal opportunity employer." It doesn't really CARE how you found your way to realizing that you are already an employee. Just punch your time card and get back to work. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- Alex Stanley wrote: > > > > the joys of the relative have not returned to the > > overshadowing glory they used to be. Erotically, I'm still dead. > > Enjoyment of food returned only a little bit. Gazing with Waking > > Down > > teachers used to be experientially delicious, and now it is flat. > > Basically, I'm bored stiff and this body feels like a prison. > > I had a period when life had nothing to offer. Human > beings seemed like little more than shit factories. > After three months, I grew tired of it. I reaffirmed > my belief that life is founded in bliss. I subscribed > to Daily Word and read its affirmations. Life regained > its sparkle because I willed it to. But first I had to > decide the alternative was too tiresome. > > Our experiences undoubtedly spring from different > causes and call for different responses, but that's my > story. I wish you the best of luck. I've never had an extended period of losing interest in life and its joys, but I've occasionally fallen into temporary ruts, ways of thinking and acting that convince me the world has grown boring when in fact I've grown boring. A good Road Trip fixes that every time. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tom T: > The reason I suggested Judy and others just give it up is that they > have been using every ounce of will and intention as seekers for > thirty some years Uh, I'm sorry, Tom, but you haven't been reading my posts if you think that's the case, or if you intend the advice you give below to apply to me. > and have yet to find that for which they seek. If > one can really give up the addiction to seeking the > only place left to fall into is the Self. You have > looked outside for it for ever too long. It is inside > just stop seeking, give up caring about what has > been described. Fall back onto who you are. You allready > know this simple thing you are so familiar with yet you > overlook it for some grandiose thing. It is just that > simple. As one man so succintly put it one night when it > finally dawned on him that this simple state we are is > IT. He said I want my money back for all the courses and > CCP program, I have know this for 25 years. It can't be > this simple. Well, three weeks later he finally admitted > that this simple thing really was it and every concept of > what it had to look like and be was gone and he couldn't > hang onto any of those old concepts. Throw in the towel > and see what can happen. Being a not seeker may be a new > and wondeful experience full of freedom. What have you got > to lose. You haven't gotten it with all that seeking. Tom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
TorquiseB writes snipped final para I'm not going to pursue this whole subject here any more, though. There is just too much resistance on this forum to presenting the taking-an-active-role- in-your-own-realization approach. It's just a waste of time to talk about it, because the decades of indoctrination have been too effective. The waiters have been waiting so long that they can't even imagine that there is something they could do other than waiting. And they get angry when someone *does* suggest such a thing. So I'm going to leave them to their waiting, and hope that approach works out for them in the future a little better than it's worked out for them so far. Tom T: The reason I suggested Judy and others just give it up is that they have been using every ounce of will and intention as seekers for thirty some years and have yet to find that for which they seek. If one can really give up the addiction to seeking the only place left to fall into is the Self. You have looked outside for it for ever too long. It is inside just stop seeking, give up caring about what has been described. Fall back onto who you are. You allready know this simple thing you are so familiar with yet you overlook it for some grandiose thing. It is just that simple. As one man so succintly put it one night when it finally dawned on him that this simple state we are is IT. He said I want my money back for all the courses and CCP program, I have know this for 25 years. It can't be this simple. Well, three weeks later he finally admitted that this simple thing really was it and every concept of what it had to look like and be was gone and he couldn't hang onto any of those old concepts. Throw in the towel and see what can happen. Being a not seeker may be a new and wondeful experience full of freedom. What have you got to lose. You haven't gotten it with all that seeking. Tom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
Jim Flanegin writes: snipped Those who experience liberation also know that as significant as the state is, there is always further knowledge, further experience, further integration occurring. I like to refer to the state of liberation as one of finding vs. seeking, a description that implies that there is infinitely more to know, once our liberation occurs. So, to truly comprehend liberation, both realities must peacefully exist in the mind at the same time, that of the silent unmoving Goal, inner freedom, and that of continuously finding and discovering more and more about our Selves. Tom T; THis is the description of what is known as the Paradox of Brahmin. On the one hand one is done and knows freedom for the first time in ones life as an ever present moment. On the other hand there is an infinity of Self to discover and know more about. Tom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- Alex Stanley wrote: > > > > the joys of the relative have not returned to the > > overshadowing glory they used to be. Erotically, I'm still dead. > > Enjoyment of food returned only a little bit. Gazing with Waking Down > > teachers used to be experientially delicious, and now it is flat. > > Basically, I'm bored stiff and this body feels like a prison. > > I had a period when life had nothing to offer. Human > beings seemed like little more than shit factories. > After three months, I grew tired of it. I reaffirmed > my belief that life is founded in bliss. I subscribed > to Daily Word and read its affirmations. Life regained > its sparkle because I willed it to. But first I had to > decide the alternative was too tiresome. > > Our experiences undoubtedly spring from different > causes and call for different responses, but that's my > story. I wish you the best of luck. > snip +++ Hey Alex, wish I could have a little of the boredom as I have a serious shortage- haven't had any in the last 50 years. Would you have some time on the weekend to debate on what computer equipment to buy as I am needing to upgrade. It looks like you have quite a bit of expierience with the subject and would be a great help. thanks, N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "vajradhatu108" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In > > FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > TorguoiseB writes: snipped > > > > I sat there trying to not have as much fun with the > > > > day as I knew I was capable of having, and then I > > > > caught myself doing it. The moment I did, I was > > > > able to laugh at myself. And through my laughter, > > > > I found my body saying "Yes." Out loud. Weirdest > > > > damned thing. > > > > > > > > Everything changed. Background flipflopped into > > > > foreground and the witnessing, a moment before > > > > unnoticed, moved front and center and reasserted > > > > its Self again. And all it took was getting to > > > > "Yes." > > > > > > > > I'm sure it'll pass...all things do...but it's > > > > neat while it lasts. Life's cool sometimes, yes? > > > > > > > > Tom T: > > > > Very astute observations. Reminds me of Patanjali Chapter 3 > > > > Vs 54: Knowledge born of the finest discrimination takes us to > > the > > > > farthest shore. > > > > It is intuitive, omniscient and beyond all divisions of time and > > space. > > > > Vs 55: And when the translucent intellect is as pure as the Self, > > > > there is Enlightenment. > > > > > > > > It is the Self knowing the Self but there is the working of the > > > > intellect that makes the final and finest discrimination. > > > > > > Actually the above quote is about viveka-khyati --an important > > experience and > > > discrimination which can continue for quite a while, but alas is > > not liberation--athough > > > that is the next chapter (of the YS). It *is* often confused with > > liberation. > > > > Actually, your statement is a misunderstanding of the simultaneous > > realities, of, on the one hand, our continuous experience of ever > > expanding growth and knowledge, and on the other hand, the > > unmistakable experience and truth of liberation. > > > > Those that experience liberation know it to be what it is. I > > particularly liked Alex's description of it as the end of war with > > ourselves. Many, many other descriptions are out there, so it is > > pointless for me to go any further describing such a state. > > Just to clarify, I was not talking about war with myself in the > context of any sort of spiritual woo-woo. I was referring to war in > the sense of rejection of my individual humanness, specifically, how I > show up as a sexual being. I.e., mundane self-loathing. ...and the difference between that and spiritual woo-woo is what? One informs the other... > But, yes, the state I find myself in now is definitely what I would > call liberation. I would describe it as free-floating in now. On the > other hand, it seems to be making life an even bigger challenge. I'd > always been very much enamored of relative existence, but since the > dark night, the joys of the relative have not returned to the > overshadowing glory they used to be. Erotically, I'm still dead. > Enjoyment of food returned only a little bit. Gazing with Waking Down > teachers used to be experientially delicious, and now it is flat. > Basically, I'm bored stiff and this body feels like a prison. > > I guess this is where the "continuously finding and discovering more > and more about our Selves" comes in. > > sigh > Maybe you are a little lost in old habits. Just find some new stuff to do, or revisit some old stuff. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- Alex Stanley wrote: > > the joys of the relative have not returned to the > overshadowing glory they used to be. Erotically, I'm still dead. > Enjoyment of food returned only a little bit. Gazing with Waking Down > teachers used to be experientially delicious, and now it is flat. > Basically, I'm bored stiff and this body feels like a prison. I had a period when life had nothing to offer. Human beings seemed like little more than shit factories. After three months, I grew tired of it. I reaffirmed my belief that life is founded in bliss. I subscribed to Daily Word and read its affirmations. Life regained its sparkle because I willed it to. But first I had to decide the alternative was too tiresome. Our experiences undoubtedly spring from different causes and call for different responses, but that's my story. I wish you the best of luck. Daily Word Tuesday, May 2, 2006 Completion My faith in God is full and complete. A career change, a move to a new home, a retirement, or a graduation may signal the end of one stage of life and the beginning of another. Before embarking on the new course my life is taking, I take a moment to reflect on the completion of this phase and on God's spirit that brought me to this turning point. I give thanks for the spirit of God that has been my guide and inspiration. I release the past, forgive where necessary, and rest in the awareness of God's spirit within me. It may seem that the experiences of life test how strong my faith is, but it is my assurance of God's loving support that grows stronger each day. Bringing a segment of life to its completion ensures that I am ready for the next phase. My faith is full and complete. "You know that the testing of your faith produces endurance; and let endurance have its full effect, so that you may be mature and complete, lacking in nothing."James 1:3-4 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "vajradhatu108" > wrote: > > > > --- In > FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" > > wrote: > > > > > > TorguoiseB writes: snipped > > > I sat there trying to not have as much fun with the > > > day as I knew I was capable of having, and then I > > > caught myself doing it. The moment I did, I was > > > able to laugh at myself. And through my laughter, > > > I found my body saying "Yes." Out loud. Weirdest > > > damned thing. > > > > > > Everything changed. Background flipflopped into > > > foreground and the witnessing, a moment before > > > unnoticed, moved front and center and reasserted > > > its Self again. And all it took was getting to > > > "Yes." > > > > > > I'm sure it'll pass...all things do...but it's > > > neat while it lasts. Life's cool sometimes, yes? > > > > > > Tom T: > > > Very astute observations. Reminds me of Patanjali Chapter 3 > > > Vs 54: Knowledge born of the finest discrimination takes us to > the > > > farthest shore. > > > It is intuitive, omniscient and beyond all divisions of time and > space. > > > Vs 55: And when the translucent intellect is as pure as the Self, > > > there is Enlightenment. > > > > > > It is the Self knowing the Self but there is the working of the > > > intellect that makes the final and finest discrimination. > > > > Actually the above quote is about viveka-khyati --an important > experience and > > discrimination which can continue for quite a while, but alas is > not liberation--athough > > that is the next chapter (of the YS). It *is* often confused with > liberation. > > Actually, your statement is a misunderstanding of the simultaneous > realities, of, on the one hand, our continuous experience of ever > expanding growth and knowledge, and on the other hand, the > unmistakable experience and truth of liberation. > > Those that experience liberation know it to be what it is. I > particularly liked Alex's description of it as the end of war with > ourselves. Many, many other descriptions are out there, so it is > pointless for me to go any further describing such a state. Just to clarify, I was not talking about war with myself in the context of any sort of spiritual woo-woo. I was referring to war in the sense of rejection of my individual humanness, specifically, how I show up as a sexual being. I.e., mundane self-loathing. But, yes, the state I find myself in now is definitely what I would call liberation. I would describe it as free-floating in now. On the other hand, it seems to be making life an even bigger challenge. I'd always been very much enamored of relative existence, but since the dark night, the joys of the relative have not returned to the overshadowing glory they used to be. Erotically, I'm still dead. Enjoyment of food returned only a little bit. Gazing with Waking Down teachers used to be experientially delicious, and now it is flat. Basically, I'm bored stiff and this body feels like a prison. I guess this is where the "continuously finding and discovering more and more about our Selves" comes in. sigh To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My time on FFL has been a real shock to me in > some ways as I've come to realize how many people > are so locked into the TM paradigms that they have > trouble even *conceiving* of others. Perhaps you believe that because they reject your horribly distorted caricature of the TM paradigm. There are > notable exceptions, and they are pleasant when I > encounter them, but in general I stand by what I > said earlier today. > > Sometimes the Fundamentalist words and tone used > here make it seem as if the posters have actually > come to view effort or the use of intention as some > kind of sin. It's fascinating...there are times > when reading FFL is like reading stuff written by > the tightasses who wrote the Old Testament. :-) > > I guess that falls into the "unpleasant" category > again, but there you jolly well are, aren't you? > If you don't like what I have to say, might I > recommend killfiles or the judicious use of the > NEXT key? You can recommend it all you want. Do you have some kind of problem with people disagreeing with what you say? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > wrote: > > > > > So, once again, the paradox confronts us, to give ourselves over > to > > > intention, and surrender, both simultaneously. This is where > faith > > > and discrimination come in. > > > > Yes, it's paradoxical, faith and discrimination working > > together rather than against each other. > > > > > I wholeheartedly agree with carrying forth our intention in order > > > to reach the ultimate Goal. Otherwise how can exhaustion of the > > > will occur, paving the way for true and final acceptance of our > > > Selves, our true nature? > > > > > > Your strong advocacy for your position, to the exclusion of the > > > other is a good thing, using FFL to work out the balance of the > > > intellect. Keep it up! > > > > His strong advocacy would, IMHO, be ever so much better > > a thing if it weren't accomplished primarily by nastily > > trashing (his fantasy of) the alternative. > > > Its a function of the heart growing full and advocating the waking > state intellect. A temporary thing- won't last. Twelve years so far and counting... > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "vajradhatu108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" > wrote: > > > > TorguoiseB writes: snipped > > I sat there trying to not have as much fun with the > > day as I knew I was capable of having, and then I > > caught myself doing it. The moment I did, I was > > able to laugh at myself. And through my laughter, > > I found my body saying "Yes." Out loud. Weirdest > > damned thing. > > > > Everything changed. Background flipflopped into > > foreground and the witnessing, a moment before > > unnoticed, moved front and center and reasserted > > its Self again. And all it took was getting to > > "Yes." > > > > I'm sure it'll pass...all things do...but it's > > neat while it lasts. Life's cool sometimes, yes? > > > > Tom T: > > Very astute observations. Reminds me of Patanjali Chapter 3 > > Vs 54: Knowledge born of the finest discrimination takes us to the > > farthest shore. > > It is intuitive, omniscient and beyond all divisions of time and space. > > Vs 55: And when the translucent intellect is as pure as the Self, > > there is Enlightenment. > > > > It is the Self knowing the Self but there is the working of the > > intellect that makes the final and finest discrimination. > > Actually the above quote is about viveka-khyati --an important experience and > discrimination which can continue for quite a while, but alas is not liberation--athough > that is the next chapter (of the YS). It *is* often confused with liberation. Actually, your statement is a misunderstanding of the simultaneous realities, of, on the one hand, our continuous experience of ever expanding growth and knowledge, and on the other hand, the unmistakable experience and truth of liberation. Those that experience liberation know it to be what it is. I particularly liked Alex's description of it as the end of war with ourselves. Many, many other descriptions are out there, so it is pointless for me to go any further describing such a state. Those who experience liberation also know that as significant as the state is, there is always further knowledge, further experience, further integration occurring. I like to refer to the state of liberation as one of finding vs. seeking, a description that implies that there is infinitely more to know, once our liberation occurs. So, to truly comprehend liberation, both realities must peacefully exist in the mind at the same time, that of the silent unmoving Goal, inner freedom, and that of continuously finding and discovering more and more about our Selves. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Barry makes some interesting points about an > alternative approach to enlightenment, but his > unpleasant tone regarding the beliefs of others is > very off-putting and makes one doubt the validity > of his own "enlightenment." Just for the record, I have never claimed enlightenment. I've had a few nice experiences that I personally put into that general category of experience, but that's all I'll cop to...having had a few neat experiences. > I agree also that his presentation of the TM approach > is a caricature. In my considered opinion, it's anything but...I think it's pretty damned accurate. My time on FFL has been a real shock to me in some ways as I've come to realize how many people are so locked into the TM paradigms that they have trouble even *conceiving* of others. There are notable exceptions, and they are pleasant when I encounter them, but in general I stand by what I said earlier today. Sometimes the Fundamentalist words and tone used here make it seem as if the posters have actually come to view effort or the use of intention as some kind of sin. It's fascinating...there are times when reading FFL is like reading stuff written by the tightasses who wrote the Old Testament. :-) I guess that falls into the "unpleasant" category again, but there you jolly well are, aren't you? If you don't like what I have to say, might I recommend killfiles or the judicious use of the NEXT key? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > > So, once again, the paradox confronts us, to give ourselves over to > > intention, and surrender, both simultaneously. This is where faith > > and discrimination come in. > > Yes, it's paradoxical, faith and discrimination working > together rather than against each other. > > > I wholeheartedly agree with carrying forth our intention in order > > to reach the ultimate Goal. Otherwise how can exhaustion of the > > will occur, paving the way for true and final acceptance of our > > Selves, our true nature? > > > > Your strong advocacy for your position, to the exclusion of the > > other is a good thing, using FFL to work out the balance of the > > intellect. Keep it up! > > His strong advocacy would, IMHO, be ever so much better > a thing if it weren't accomplished primarily by nastily > trashing (his fantasy of) the alternative. > Its a function of the heart growing full and advocating the waking state intellect. A temporary thing- won't last. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
I agree with you here, Judy. Barry makes some interesting points about an alternative approach to enlightenment, but his unpleasant tone regarding the beliefs of others is very off-putting and makes one doubt the validity of his own "enlightenment." I agree also that his presentation of the TM approach is a caricature. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In > > FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" > > wrote: > > > > > > You are very right Judy in that Yes can not be intentional. > > > > Coming from a Buddhist perspective, in which intent > > and focus are very *much* a part of the realization > > process, I'd have to disagree with you, Tom. > > > > I think that the issue that some people are reacting > > to in my little cafe story is that it pushes their > > *religious* buttons, the ones they don't like > > to admit they have. They have been convinced, after > > decades of indoctrination by the TM movement and > > its Hindu underpinnings, that passivity is the *only* > > way to go in the quest for enlightenment. Don't ever > > work at anything because that would be "straining" > > or "effort" or the imposition of will, and thus > > an aspect of ego. So the "proper" attitude towards > > enlightenment is to just sit around and wait for it > > to happen on its own. > > There are two ways to address a disagreement. One is > to make a positive case for one's own perspective; the > other is to trash the other perspective. > > The disadvantage of choosing the second route is that > one can be tempted to caricature the opposing viewpoint > rather than presenting it fairly, in order to make it > easier to trash. And if one convinces oneself of the > truth of one's caricature, it makes it easier to > convince oneself of the truth of one's own > perspective without ever considering the possible > merits of the other. > > This may raise suspicions that the person doing the > trashing is deep down not so confident of his > perspective as he pretends to be, since he has to > distort the other to make it appear less valid > than his own. > > > And wait, and wait, and wait, and wait, and wait. > > > > And if it *doesn't* happen, after decades of > > sitting around and waiting and doing what you're > > told, that's somehow "all right" because it isn't > > really "you" who has anything to do with your > > enlightenment. It's really the universe, or Natural > > Law, or God that's made the decision to leave you > > lost in the illusion of unenlightenment. > > In my experience (doing what I feel is right for > me, not "what I'm told"), I make more progress > when I take responsibility without assigning blame. > The former does not necessarily imply the latter. > I don't assume "something else" has made any > decisions about me, but by the same token, I do not > assume I am somehow "not all right" because this or > that hasn't happened yet. > > In other contexts, Barry has vigorously scorned the > "seeking" mentality that requires one to feel "not > all right" about oneself until one has "found" one's > "all-rightness." But here he seems to be claiming > the opposite. That suggests a certain degree of > confusion. > > > That's an Ok set of things to believe, I guess, > > if what you want is to never realize your enlight- > > enment. Me, I prefer the Buddhist approach, in > > which one's intent and ability to focus come into > > play and in which talents and ability other than > > waiting and hoping become part of the realization > > process. > > > > I'm not comfortable with the just-be-patient-and- > > wait approach to enlightenment, in which one is told > > over and over by the *vendor* of that approach to > > enlightenment that their UNenlightenment "isn't > > their fault." What a fuckin' lie that is. > > Hmm, I've never heard any "vendor" say that. I > suspect that notion is a function of the caricature > Barry has created to bolster his own perspective. > > > It's a lie even if you believe in the model their > > system is based on. If you believe that "stress" > > is what keeps you from being enlightened, then who > > created your stress? Well duh, you did. If you > > believe it's karma that keeps you from being > > enlightened, well who created the karma? Well > > duh, again, you did. Take some responsibility fer > > chrssakes...if you're convinced that you are not > > enlightened, YOU created that reality (or, as it > > turns out, unreality). > > Yes, duh. Again, though, taking responsibility is > not the same as blaming oneself. > > > I *know* that saying these things on a TM forum > > is going to rile people up, and make some of them > > crazy. It's absolute HERESY to a person who has drunk > > the TM Kool-Aid and believes that effortlessness is > > the *only* model that leads to transcendence and > > eventually enligh
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, once again, the paradox confronts us, to give ourselves over to > intention, and surrender, both simultaneously. This is where faith > and discrimination come in. Yes, it's paradoxical, faith and discrimination working together rather than against each other. > I wholeheartedly agree with carrying forth our intention in order > to reach the ultimate Goal. Otherwise how can exhaustion of the > will occur, paving the way for true and final acceptance of our > Selves, our true nature? > > Your strong advocacy for your position, to the exclusion of the > other is a good thing, using FFL to work out the balance of the > intellect. Keep it up! His strong advocacy would, IMHO, be ever so much better a thing if it weren't accomplished primarily by nastily trashing (his fantasy of) the alternative. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In > FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" > wrote: > > > > You are very right Judy in that Yes can not be intentional. > > Coming from a Buddhist perspective, in which intent > and focus are very *much* a part of the realization > process, I'd have to disagree with you, Tom. > > I think that the issue that some people are reacting > to in my little cafe story is that it pushes their > *religious* buttons, the ones they don't like > to admit they have. They have been convinced, after > decades of indoctrination by the TM movement and > its Hindu underpinnings, that passivity is the *only* > way to go in the quest for enlightenment. Don't ever > work at anything because that would be "straining" > or "effort" or the imposition of will, and thus > an aspect of ego. So the "proper" attitude towards > enlightenment is to just sit around and wait for it > to happen on its own. > > And wait, and wait, and wait, and wait, and wait. > I had a similar thought when I read what Tom had written, not because he is advocating passivity, he wouldn't be in his present state if that were so, but rather because intention IS a critical part of gaining realization-liberation-enlightenment. I liked what Alex said also of Tom saying that we must change boats in midstream to gain our Selves, only the boat we step into is invisible(!). So, once again, the paradox confronts us, to give ourselves over to intention, and surrender, both simultaneously. This is where faith and discrimination come in. I wholeheartedly agree with carrying forth our intention in order to reach the ultimate Goal. Otherwise how can exhaustion of the will occur, paving the way for true and final acceptance of our Selves, our true nature? Your strong advocacy for your position, to the exclusion of the other is a good thing, using FFL to work out the balance of the intellect. Keep it up! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In > FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" > wrote: > > > > You are very right Judy in that Yes can not be intentional. > > Coming from a Buddhist perspective, in which intent > and focus are very *much* a part of the realization > process, I'd have to disagree with you, Tom. > > I think that the issue that some people are reacting > to in my little cafe story is that it pushes their > *religious* buttons, the ones they don't like > to admit they have. They have been convinced, after > decades of indoctrination by the TM movement and > its Hindu underpinnings, that passivity is the *only* > way to go in the quest for enlightenment. Don't ever > work at anything because that would be "straining" > or "effort" or the imposition of will, and thus > an aspect of ego. So the "proper" attitude towards > enlightenment is to just sit around and wait for it > to happen on its own. There are two ways to address a disagreement. One is to make a positive case for one's own perspective; the other is to trash the other perspective. The disadvantage of choosing the second route is that one can be tempted to caricature the opposing viewpoint rather than presenting it fairly, in order to make it easier to trash. And if one convinces oneself of the truth of one's caricature, it makes it easier to convince oneself of the truth of one's own perspective without ever considering the possible merits of the other. This may raise suspicions that the person doing the trashing is deep down not so confident of his perspective as he pretends to be, since he has to distort the other to make it appear less valid than his own. > And wait, and wait, and wait, and wait, and wait. > > And if it *doesn't* happen, after decades of > sitting around and waiting and doing what you're > told, that's somehow "all right" because it isn't > really "you" who has anything to do with your > enlightenment. It's really the universe, or Natural > Law, or God that's made the decision to leave you > lost in the illusion of unenlightenment. In my experience (doing what I feel is right for me, not "what I'm told"), I make more progress when I take responsibility without assigning blame. The former does not necessarily imply the latter. I don't assume "something else" has made any decisions about me, but by the same token, I do not assume I am somehow "not all right" because this or that hasn't happened yet. In other contexts, Barry has vigorously scorned the "seeking" mentality that requires one to feel "not all right" about oneself until one has "found" one's "all-rightness." But here he seems to be claiming the opposite. That suggests a certain degree of confusion. > That's an Ok set of things to believe, I guess, > if what you want is to never realize your enlight- > enment. Me, I prefer the Buddhist approach, in > which one's intent and ability to focus come into > play and in which talents and ability other than > waiting and hoping become part of the realization > process. > > I'm not comfortable with the just-be-patient-and- > wait approach to enlightenment, in which one is told > over and over by the *vendor* of that approach to > enlightenment that their UNenlightenment "isn't > their fault." What a fuckin' lie that is. Hmm, I've never heard any "vendor" say that. I suspect that notion is a function of the caricature Barry has created to bolster his own perspective. > It's a lie even if you believe in the model their > system is based on. If you believe that "stress" > is what keeps you from being enlightened, then who > created your stress? Well duh, you did. If you > believe it's karma that keeps you from being > enlightened, well who created the karma? Well > duh, again, you did. Take some responsibility fer > chrssakes...if you're convinced that you are not > enlightened, YOU created that reality (or, as it > turns out, unreality). Yes, duh. Again, though, taking responsibility is not the same as blaming oneself. > I *know* that saying these things on a TM forum > is going to rile people up, and make some of them > crazy. It's absolute HERESY to a person who has drunk > the TM Kool-Aid and believes that effortlessness is > the *only* model that leads to transcendence and > eventually enlightenment to suggest that there are > *other* models -- models that involve will and > intention -- and that they lead there, too. It's not the "heresy" that's the problem, of course, it's the caricature of what the "heresy" is presented as opposing. Perhaps the reason it's a caricature is because the caricaturist has never quite understood the real nature of the alternative to his own perspective. > The people who have spent their lives -- sometimes > thirty or forty years of their lives -- sitting > and waiting and waiting and waiting for something > else to "do enlightenment" for them are *aff
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > TorguoiseB Anger, he smiles, towering in shiny metallic purple armour Queen Jealousy, envy waits behind him Her fiery green gown sneers at the grassy ground Blue are the life-giving waters taken for granted, They quietly understand Once happy turquoise armies lay opposite ready, But wonder why the fight is on But they're bold as love, just as bold as love Yeah, they're bold as love Just ask the axis To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > TorguoiseB writes: snipped > I sat there trying to not have as much fun with the > day as I knew I was capable of having, and then I > caught myself doing it. The moment I did, I was > able to laugh at myself. And through my laughter, > I found my body saying "Yes." Out loud. Weirdest > damned thing. > > Everything changed. Background flipflopped into > foreground and the witnessing, a moment before > unnoticed, moved front and center and reasserted > its Self again. And all it took was getting to > "Yes." > > I'm sure it'll pass...all things do...but it's > neat while it lasts. Life's cool sometimes, yes? > > Tom T: > Very astute observations. Reminds me of Patanjali Chapter 3 > Vs 54: Knowledge born of the finest discrimination takes us to the > farthest shore. > It is intuitive, omniscient and beyond all divisions of time and space. > Vs 55: And when the translucent intellect is as pure as the Self, > there is Enlightenment. > > It is the Self knowing the Self but there is the working of the > intellect that makes the final and finest discrimination. Actually the above quote is about viveka-khyati --an important experience and discrimination which can continue for quite a while, but alas is not liberation--athough that is the next chapter (of the YS). It *is* often confused with liberation. The Self knowing the Self is still a ways off. You may have seen the man behind the curtain Dorothy, but there's still more to Oz than this. As to the > cool stuff passing it is sometimes easier to think of it as > aclimination to what is going on. If we aclimate then we have > virtually no contrast and then the coolness is the ongoing day to day > reality. It is my experience that all this cool stuff just gets more > and more aclimated too and then we know it as our day to day everyday > life. Enjoy. Tom Interesting description of viveka-khyati. The self continues to present experiences to Self and more objects of awareness gain the slippery teflon coating of Love, eventually absorbed by Self. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You are very right Judy in that Yes can not be intentional. Coming from a Buddhist perspective, in which intent and focus are very *much* a part of the realization process, I'd have to disagree with you, Tom. I think that the issue that some people are reacting to in my little cafe story is that it pushes their *religious* buttons, the ones they don't like to admit they have. They have been convinced, after decades of indoctrination by the TM movement and its Hindu underpinnings, that passivity is the *only* way to go in the quest for enlightenment. Don't ever work at anything because that would be "straining" or "effort" or the imposition of will, and thus an aspect of ego. So the "proper" attitude towards enlightenment is to just sit around and wait for it to happen on its own. And wait, and wait, and wait, and wait, and wait. And if it *doesn't* happen, after decades of sitting around and waiting and doing what you're told, that's somehow "all right" because it isn't really "you" who has anything to do with your enlightenment. It's really the universe, or Natural Law, or God that's made the decision to leave you lost in the illusion of unenlightenment. That's an Ok set of things to believe, I guess, if what you want is to never realize your enlight- enment. Me, I prefer the Buddhist approach, in which one's intent and ability to focus come into play and in which talents and ability other than waiting and hoping become part of the realization process. I'm not comfortable with the just-be-patient-and- wait approach to enlightenment, in which one is told over and over by the *vendor* of that approach to enlightenment that their UNenlightenment "isn't their fault." What a fuckin' lie that is. It's a lie even if you believe in the model their system is based on. If you believe that "stress" is what keeps you from being enlightened, then who created your stress? Well duh, you did. If you believe it's karma that keeps you from being enlightened, well who created the karma? Well duh, again, you did. Take some responsibility fer chrssakes...if you're convinced that you are not enlightened, YOU created that reality (or, as it turns out, unreality). I *know* that saying these things on a TM forum is going to rile people up, and make some of them crazy. It's absolute HERESY to a person who has drunk the TM Kool-Aid and believes that effortlessness is the *only* model that leads to transcendence and eventually enlightenment to suggest that there are *other* models -- models that involve will and intention -- and that they lead there, too. The people who have spent their lives -- sometimes thirty or forty years of their lives -- sitting and waiting and waiting and waiting for something else to "do enlightenment" for them are *affronted* when they hear from someone who is part of a diff- erent tradition, one that believes that one can, and should, "do enlightenment" oneself. They're especially affronted if the offending person seems to have had a few experiences that indicate that the intent/focus approach has actually *worked* for them. Such stories might make seekers who are part of the "wait patiently for enlightenment; it's out of your hands" school of thought think, "Gee...what if I really *have* been wasting my time waiting around all these years for enlightenment to reveal itself to me?" Can't have that. So the hard-line passive, wait- and-see types get a little uppity and they spout the dogma they've been taught, that the effortless, do- nothing-and-wait approach to enlightenment they've been taught is the ONLY way that enlightenment can possibly happen. And I actually understand why people do this -- repeating the dogma that there is nothing you can do but wait gives you something to *do* while you're sitting around waiting...it relieves the boredom. :-) I'm not going to pursue this whole subject here any more, though. There is just too much resistance on this forum to presenting the taking-an-active-role- in-your-own-realization approach. It's just a waste of time to talk about it, because the decades of indoctrination have been too effective. The waiters have been waiting so long that they can't even imagine that there is something they could do other than waiting. And they get angry when someone *does* suggest such a thing. So I'm going to leave them to their waiting, and hope that approach works out for them in the future a little better than it's worked out for them so far. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi R
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Judy Stein writes: snipped > My very strong suspicion is that the "Yes" can never > be intentional--contrary to what the above suggests-- > but is arrived at via the *cessation* of intention > (which cessation can't be intentional either, by > definition). > > It's something that *happens to you*, not something > you *do*. To suggest that it's something you *do* > enables you (a) to take credit for it when it happens > to you and (b) subtly (or not-so-subtly) demean those > to whom it hasn't happened yet. > > That's what I found "off" about it. > > Tom T; > You are very right Judy in that Yes can not be intentional. But of the > Yes, but, we can just give it up and stop worrying, pursuing, seeking, > figuring and see what happens. It is not out here any where to be > found. It is inside waiting for us to give in and be OK with however > it manifests in our life. That we can say yes to, giving it all up and > just waiting to see what happens. Tom Yes, I think that's pretty much what I said in the first part of my post. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
Judy Stein writes: snipped My very strong suspicion is that the "Yes" can never be intentional--contrary to what the above suggests-- but is arrived at via the *cessation* of intention (which cessation can't be intentional either, by definition). It's something that *happens to you*, not something you *do*. To suggest that it's something you *do* enables you (a) to take credit for it when it happens to you and (b) subtly (or not-so-subtly) demean those to whom it hasn't happened yet. That's what I found "off" about it. Tom T; You are very right Judy in that Yes can not be intentional. But of the Yes, but, we can just give it up and stop worrying, pursuing, seeking, figuring and see what happens. It is not out here any where to be found. It is inside waiting for us to give in and be OK with however it manifests in our life. That we can say yes to, giving it all up and just waiting to see what happens. Tom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
TorguoiseB writes: snipped I sat there trying to not have as much fun with the day as I knew I was capable of having, and then I caught myself doing it. The moment I did, I was able to laugh at myself. And through my laughter, I found my body saying "Yes." Out loud. Weirdest damned thing. Everything changed. Background flipflopped into foreground and the witnessing, a moment before unnoticed, moved front and center and reasserted its Self again. And all it took was getting to "Yes." I'm sure it'll pass...all things do...but it's neat while it lasts. Life's cool sometimes, yes? Tom T: Very astute observations. Reminds me of Patanjali Chapter 3 Vs 54: Knowledge born of the finest discrimination takes us to the farthest shore. It is intuitive, omniscient and beyond all divisions of time and space. Vs 55: And when the translucent intellect is as pure as the Self, there is Enlightenment. It is the Self knowing the Self but there is the working of the intellect that makes the final and finest discrimination. As to the cool stuff passing it is sometimes easier to think of it as aclimination to what is going on. If we aclimate then we have virtually no contrast and then the coolness is the ongoing day to day reality. It is my experience that all this cool stuff just gets more and more aclimated too and then we know it as our day to day everyday life. Enjoy. Tom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I had my "second birth awakening", which is > clearly a description of a beginning, not a final destination. > However, the *only* thing I have ever been a seeker of is an end to > the war with myself, and in that sense, I have reached my destination. > > Where things go from here, I have no idea. Really clearly stated, especially two points here: 1) the end of war with ourselves (which gets pretty intense in the final battle...) and 2) the ongoing freedom of not knowing where things go from here. Thanks again. Very succinct. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yesterday I got up early and drove to Sommières, a > village about 30 kilometers away, because they were > having a medieval festival, and I'm a real sucker > for those kind of things. They always make me higher > than a kite. > > This one was no exception. I was sitting there at a > cafe in the town square, drinking hypocras and eating > lamb brochettes while watching the townspeople walking > by in their costumes, and this huge smile began to > form on my face and this almost-irresistable urge > came upon me to say "Yes" and just Wake Up. > > But it was tough getting to "Yes." There was a part > of me that was still locked into the dealing-with-the- > pissant-parts-of-life mindstate, and that wanted to > respond to the wonderful day and the cubic centimeter > of chance it had offered me with the standard safe > answer, "Yes, but..." You know...stuff like: > > * Yes, I'm having fun here, but I haven't really done > everything I wanted to do with my life yet, have I? > > * Yes, that stunningly beautiful woman who just walked > by and smiled at me *is* wonderful, and just the > *sight* of her should make me shout "Yes!" to the > universe, but I'm probably too old for her. > > * Yes, this town and this festival and all these > people dressed up in their medieval finery are all > cool, but I did read BBC News this morning, and the > outside world still sucks. > > Yes, but. Icky phrase, one we repeat to ourselves in > our heads to keep us from fully relaxing into the > experience of Now, and thus from realizing that the > thing we're relaxing into is not just some emphemeral > moment but the eternality of our Self. > > The proper answer to life when it presents us with one > of those cusp moments is "Yes," not "Yes, but..." > > IMO, far too much of spiritual teaching is about > training people to respond to life with "Yes, but..." > You all know what I mean. How many times have you, > like most seekers, thought to yourself, "Yes, I'd > like to be enlightened but...?" > > It really doesn't *matter* what you put after the > "but...," does it? Whether you think it's "stress" > that keeps you from being enlightened or some skanky > samskara you've never managed to get past, or that > incident from ten lifetimes ago that still has you > convinced that karmically you are lower than the > lint in a snake's navel. *Whatever* it is, it's > just an excuse, a rationalization that allows your > self to say "No" to the Self. > > Each of us is already enlightened. The proper answer > when the universe presents us with a cool moment and > that moment asks us whether we remember our own > enlightenment, is, "Yes." > > By changing your answer into "Yes, but...," you are > pushing away the Self and saying, in effect, "I'm > not ready to accept that you are me yet, so I'm > going to make up some excuse for why you can't be > me." Then you put that excuse right behind the > "but" in "Yes, but..." and you say it. And as a > result, you create it as a seeming "reality" in > your life. Sigh. Big fuckin' rut. No fun. > > There in that cafe in Sommières yesterday, I managed > to get beyond "Yes, but..." > > I sat there trying to not have as much fun with the > day as I knew I was capable of having, and then I > caught myself doing it. The moment I did, I was > able to laugh at myself. And through my laughter, > I found my body saying "Yes." Out loud. Weirdest > damned thing. > > Everything changed. Background flipflopped into > foreground and the witnessing, a moment before > unnoticed, moved front and center and reasserted > its Self again. And all it took was getting to > "Yes." > > I'm sure it'll pass...all things do...but it's > neat while it lasts. Life's cool sometimes, yes? It most certainly is. Sounds like a cool day out too! I just got back from the "Fortean Times" convention, a whole weekend of wierd theories and discussion of the bizarre with like minded strange persons. Perhaps there was something in the air yesterday as I very nearly became enlightened myself while listening to a lecture on the quest for the Holy Grail by my favourite drummer and punk pioneer Rat Scabies of The Damned (I'm not making this up!). It started like a hit of Deja Vu but grew into a greatly improved view of the immediacy of reality and the realisation that the only thing preventing me from becoming truly enlightened is the inability of my mind to just "Be". It was very liberating to suddenly know how what is perceived is coloured by my subconscious hopes, fears, reflections etc. these things happen at a very fine level usually, but it was suddenly very clear how they hold one back from experiencing "reality" and render everything cloudy and distorted. But just for a few minutes I could keep hold hold of this Truth with no effort. I'm sure I don't need to
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
On Apr 30, 2006, at 6:48 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 30, 2006, at 5:07 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > sometimes you just have to get on the train. even if that > > > > means a jump. > > > > > > When I was in the midst of my dark night of the soul, Tom > Traynor told > > > me something along the lines that awakening requires crossing a > river > > > between duality and nonduality and that you have to change > boats in > > > the middle of the river. But, the boat from the middle to the > other > > > side is invisible. > > > > > > I have no recollection of having made a conscious choice to > make that > > > jump. For me, it was simply a matter of being squished like a > bug, and > > > when I finally reached my limit of resisting it, the surrender > just > > > happened, and with it, the inside-out outside-in shift in > identity. > > > > I was very fortunate, for me it was simply HH the Dalai Lama > > grabbing me by the hands and staring into my eyes. Really it > > was just a beginning though. > > In Waking Down vernacular, I had my "second birth awakening", which is > clearly a description of a beginning, not a final destination. > However, the *only* thing I have ever been a seeker of is an end to > the war with myself, and in that sense, I have reached my destination. > > Where things go from here, I have no idea. In terms of interests and > desires, I remain unchanged, and that includes my complete lack of > interest in cultivating siddhis or any other esoteric, subtle relative > phenomena. I'm not the least bit bothered by the notion that my body > will continue to cast a shadow and won't dematerialize upon death. Well these are just *signs*--unless you're the type of person who worries about what sights and signs are going to appear on a stretch of strange highway, I honestly don't know why you'd be interested! And not everyone one is interested in liberation for *others*, they are interested in their own liberation. If that's the case, why worry about the details of "after here"? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 30, 2006, at 5:07 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > sometimes you just have to get on the train. even if that > > > means a jump. > > > > When I was in the midst of my dark night of the soul, Tom Traynor told > > me something along the lines that awakening requires crossing a river > > between duality and nonduality and that you have to change boats in > > the middle of the river. But, the boat from the middle to the other > > side is invisible. > > > > I have no recollection of having made a conscious choice to make that > > jump. For me, it was simply a matter of being squished like a bug, and > > when I finally reached my limit of resisting it, the surrender just > > happened, and with it, the inside-out outside-in shift in identity. > > I was very fortunate, for me it was simply HH the Dalai Lama > grabbing me by the hands and staring into my eyes. Really it > was just a beginning though. In Waking Down vernacular, I had my "second birth awakening", which is clearly a description of a beginning, not a final destination. However, the *only* thing I have ever been a seeker of is an end to the war with myself, and in that sense, I have reached my destination. Where things go from here, I have no idea. In terms of interests and desires, I remain unchanged, and that includes my complete lack of interest in cultivating siddhis or any other esoteric, subtle relative phenomena. I'm not the least bit bothered by the notion that my body will continue to cast a shadow and won't dematerialize upon death. And, while it'd be kind of cool to tinka-tinka-tee and instantly pop up in a different location, realistically, that's not gonna happen with this mind/body. I think I'll just settle for better pecs and nice lats. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > Here's a mountain. > > > > Here's the top of the mountain. > > > > There's Barry on the top of that mountain. > > > > And here we are > > > > The Hoi Polloi of the world > > > > The pissants of FFL > > > > The Little People > > > > The Nothings > > > > Yet Barry has the mercy > > > > The kindness > > > > Nay, the love > > > > To grace us > > > > With his patient presence > > > > To be > > > > Here > > > > At the bottom of the mountain > > > > And waste his precious time > > > > With us Shit de Shit (as they say in Quebec) > > > > Has there ever been a bigger heart > > > > In the whole wide cable-access universe of 700 channels world? > > > > On behalf of myself, Rick, Peter, Judy, Sneezy, Dopey, Mick > > and Keith > > > > I thank you. > > Some people are more attached to "Yes, but..." > than others. You can tell by how they react > when someone calls them on their act. :-) > Couldn't you have made it rhyme? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > Here's a mountain. > > > > Here's the top of the mountain. > > > > There's Barry on the top of that mountain. > > > > And here we are > > > > The Hoi Polloi of the world > > > > The pissants of FFL > > > > The Little People > > > > The Nothings > > > > Yet Barry has the mercy > > > > The kindness > > > > Nay, the love > > > > To grace us > > > > With his patient presence > > > > To be > > > > Here > > > > At the bottom of the mountain > > > > And waste his precious time > > > > With us Shit de Shit (as they say in Quebec) > > > > Has there ever been a bigger heart > > > > In the whole wide cable-access universe of 700 channels world? > > > > On behalf of myself, Rick, Peter, Judy, Sneezy, Dopey, Mick > > and Keith > > > > I thank you. > > Some people are more attached to "Yes, but..." > than others. You can tell by how they react > when someone calls them on their act. :-) Quintessential Barry, faux smiley face and all. It's never *him*, you see. Any criticism of Barry is always a function of some fault in the critic. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > sometimes you just have to get on the train. even if that > > means a jump. > > When I was in the midst of my dark night of the soul, Tom Traynor told > me something along the lines that awakening requires crossing a river > between duality and nonduality and that you have to change boats in > the middle of the river. But, the boat from the middle to the other > side is invisible. > > I have no recollection of having made a conscious choice to make that > jump. For me, it was simply a matter of being squished like a bug, and > when I finally reached my limit of resisting it, the surrender just > happened, and with it, the inside-out outside-in shift in identity. > Great! well said. Thanks! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
On Apr 30, 2006, at 5:07 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > sometimes you just have to get on the train. even if that > > means a jump. > > When I was in the midst of my dark night of the soul, Tom Traynor told > me something along the lines that awakening requires crossing a river > between duality and nonduality and that you have to change boats in > the middle of the river. But, the boat from the middle to the other > side is invisible. > > I have no recollection of having made a conscious choice to make that > jump. For me, it was simply a matter of being squished like a bug, and > when I finally reached my limit of resisting it, the surrender just > happened, and with it, the inside-out outside-in shift in identity. I was very fortunate, for me it was simply HH the Dalai Lama grabbing me by the hands and staring into my eyes. Really it was just a beginning though. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Here's a mountain. > > Here's the top of the mountain. > > There's Barry on the top of that mountain. > > And here we are > > The Hoi Polloi of the world > > The pissants of FFL > > The Little People > > The Nothings > > Yet Barry has the mercy > > The kindness > > Nay, the love > > To grace us > > With his patient presence > > To be > > Here > > At the bottom of the mountain > > And waste his precious time > > With us Shit de Shit (as they say in Quebec) > > Has there ever been a bigger heart > > In the whole wide cable-access universe of 700 channels world? > > On behalf of myself, Rick, Peter, Judy, Sneezy, Dopey, Mick > and Keith > > I thank you. Some people are more attached to "Yes, but..." than others. You can tell by how they react when someone calls them on their act. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > sometimes you just have to get on the train. even if that > means a jump. When I was in the midst of my dark night of the soul, Tom Traynor told me something along the lines that awakening requires crossing a river between duality and nonduality and that you have to change boats in the middle of the river. But, the boat from the middle to the other side is invisible. I have no recollection of having made a conscious choice to make that jump. For me, it was simply a matter of being squished like a bug, and when I finally reached my limit of resisting it, the surrender just happened, and with it, the inside-out outside-in shift in identity. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Although I really don't have the time to read it the way I want to, > there is an annotated version of "Ulysses" I'm getting ready to buy > on Amazon. Every time I pick it up, it seems as though there are > 100 "gems" on each page...that is, the Irish and otherwise wonderful > expressions he uses all have a rhyme and reason to them and having > the annotations to explain them will be, I presume, a wonderful > experience. Boy, more power to you. I've never had what it takes to read "Ulysses" and probably never will. Unquestionably my loss. Let us know how it goes when you get into it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > MR. EMERSON: Make my boy realize that, at the side of the > everlasting "why", there is a "yes". And a "yes" and a "yes"! > > (Room with a view) "yes when I put the rose in my hair like the Andalusian girls used or shall I wear a red yes and how he kissed me under the Moorish wall and I thought well as well him as another and then I asked him with my eyes to ask again yes and then he asked me would I yes to say yes my mountain flower and first I put my arms around him yes and drew him down to me so he could feel my breasts all perfume yes and his heart was going like mad and yes I said yes I will Yes." --James Joyce, "Ulysses" To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Perhaps like this song: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=786oilGgfc4&search=david%20wilcox > > It's not just by coincidence > that lives are made of accidents > > cause my heart and mind will not agree > there's something in this mystery > that calls me from beyond the blue > > And my heart says, c'mon let's go > and my mind's saying, I don't know > and the train is at the station > but I'm lost in conversation > and this ticket's only good for just so long > so I can talk about it til that train is gone > or just get on > > > sometimes you just have to get on the train. even if that means a jump. MR. EMERSON: Make my boy realize that, at the side of the everlasting "why", there is a "yes". And a "yes" and a "yes"! (Room with a view) ...and I've always liked the story of John Lennon's of the first art work of Yoko Ono's that he ever saw. It was at a London art gallery and you had to climb up a house ladder and at the top of the ladder was a mini teliscope that you looked through. And when you looked through it was aimed at a far-off wall upon which was written "YES". ...don't like Yoko, don't like modern art, but I love that... > > > On Apr 30, 2006, at 10:21 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > Yesterday I got up early and drove to Sommières, a > > village about 30 kilometers away, because they were > > having a medieval festival, and I'm a real sucker > > for those kind of things. They always make me higher > > than a kite. > > > > This one was no exception. I was sitting there at a > > cafe in the town square, drinking hypocras and eating > > lamb brochettes while watching the townspeople walking > > by in their costumes, and this huge smile began to > > form on my face and this almost-irresistable urge > > came upon me to say "Yes" and just Wake Up. > > > > But it was tough getting to "Yes." There was a part > > of me that was still locked into the dealing-with-the- > > pissant-parts-of-life mindstate, and that wanted to > > respond to the wonderful day and the cubic centimeter > > of chance it had offered me with the standard safe > > answer, "Yes, but..." You know...stuff like: > > > > * Yes, I'm having fun here, but I haven't really done > > everything I wanted to do with my life yet, have I? > > > > * Yes, that stunningly beautiful woman who just walked > > by and smiled at me *is* wonderful, and just the > > *sight* of her should make me shout "Yes!" to the > > universe, but I'm probably too old for her. > > > > * Yes, this town and this festival and all these > > people dressed up in their medieval finery are all > > cool, but I did read BBC News this morning, and the > > outside world still sucks. > > > > Yes, but. Icky phrase, one we repeat to ourselves in > > our heads to keep us from fully relaxing into the > > experience of Now, and thus from realizing that the > > thing we're relaxing into is not just some emphemeral > > moment but the eternality of our Self. > > > > The proper answer to life when it presents us with one > > of those cusp moments is "Yes," not "Yes, but..." > > > > IMO, far too much of spiritual teaching is about > > training people to respond to life with "Yes, but..." > > You all know what I mean. How many times have you, > > like most seekers, thought to yourself, "Yes, I'd > > like to be enlightened but...?" > > > > It really doesn't *matter* what you put after the > > "but...," does it? Whether you think it's "stress" > > that keeps you from being enlightened or some skanky > > samskara you've never managed to get past, or that > > incident from ten lifetimes ago that still has you > > convinced that karmically you are lower than the > > lint in a snake's navel. *Whatever* it is, it's > > just an excuse, a rationalization that allows your > > self to say "No" to the Self. > > > > Each of us is already enlightened. The proper answer > > when the universe presents us with a cool moment and > > that moment asks us whether we remember our own > > enlightenment, is, "Yes." > > > > By changing your answer into "Yes, but...," you are > > pushing away the Self and saying, in effect, "I'm > > not ready to accept that you are me yet, so I'm > > going to make up some excuse for why you can't be > > me." Then you put that excuse right behind the > > "but" in "Yes, but..." and you say it. And as a > > result, you create it as a seeming "reality" in > > your life. Sigh. Big fuckin' rut. No fun. > > > > There in that cafe in Sommières yesterday, I managed > > to get beyond "Yes, but..." > > > > I sat there trying to not have as much fun with the > > day as I knew I was capable of having, and then I > > caught myself doing it. The moment I did, I was > > able to laugh at myself. And through my laughter, > > I found my body saying "Yes." Out loud. Weirdest > > damned thing. > > > > Everything changed. Background flipflopped into > > foreground and the wi
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Either that or he's misplaced the URL to his blog. :) If he deigns to read the less-than-positive responses rather than consigning them unread to the pissant bin, he will almost certainly classify them as a function of jealousy of his experiences on the part of people who have never had any-and *then* consign them to the pissant bin. Because that's *so* much easier and more satisfying than asking himself whether there may have been something "off" about the way he related the experience. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > > > Sounds good. Even better is the Self asserting its dominion > > permanently. I always find the phrase that we are already > > Enlightened to be slightly off. > > I've always found it to be completely, totally true, > and so tend to believe that any description of enlight- > enment that doesn't acknowledge its presence before it > is recognized falls into the category of "Yes, but..." I understand where you are coming from now- that part about 'before it is [fully] recognized' was the part I didn't realize was implied in your statement. Got it- makes perfect sense. Thanks! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
shempmcgurk wrote: >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >wrote: > > >>Yesterday I got up early and drove to Sommières, a >>village about 30 kilometers away, because they were >>having a medieval festival, and I'm a real sucker >>for those kind of things. They always make me higher >>than a kite. >> >>This one was no exception. I was sitting there at a >>cafe in the town square, drinking hypocras and eating >>lamb brochettes while watching the townspeople walking >>by in their costumes, and this huge smile began to >>form on my face and this almost-irresistable urge >>came upon me to say "Yes" and just Wake Up. >> >>But it was tough getting to "Yes." There was a part >>of me that was still locked into the dealing-with-the- >>pissant-parts-of-life mindstate, >> >> > > > > > >Here's a mountain. > >Here's the top of the mountain. > >There's Barry on the top of that mountain. > >And here we are > >The Hoi Polloi of the world > >The pissants of FFL > >The Little People > >The Nothings > >Yet Barry has the mercy > >The kindness > >Nay, the love > >To grace us > >With his patient presence > >To be > >Here > >At the bottom of the mountain > >And waste his precious time > >With us Shit de Shit (as they say in Quebec) > >Has there ever been a bigger heart > >In the whole wide cable-access universe of 700 channels world? > >On behalf of myself, Rick, Peter, Judy, Sneezy, Dopey, Mick and Keith > >I thank you. > > > > Either that or he's misplaced the URL to his blog. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > Yesterday I got up early and drove to Sommières, a > > village about 30 kilometers away, because they were > > having a medieval festival, and I'm a real sucker > > for those kind of things. They always make me higher > > than a kite. > > > > This one was no exception. I was sitting there at a > > cafe in the town square, drinking hypocras and eating > > lamb brochettes while watching the townspeople walking > > by in their costumes, and this huge smile began to > > form on my face and this almost-irresistable urge > > came upon me to say "Yes" and just Wake Up. > > > > But it was tough getting to "Yes." There was a part > > of me that was still locked into the dealing-with-the- > > pissant-parts-of-life mindstate, > > > > > > Here's a mountain. > > Here's the top of the mountain. > > There's Barry on the top of that mountain. > > And here we are > > The Hoi Polloi of the world > > The pissants of FFL > > The Little People > > The Nothings > > Yet Barry has the mercy > > The kindness > > Nay, the love > > To grace us > > With his patient presence > > To be > > Here > > At the bottom of the mountain > > And waste his precious time > > With us Shit de Shit (as they say in Quebec) > > Has there ever been a bigger heart > > In the whole wide cable-access universe of 700 channels world? > > On behalf of myself, Rick, Peter, Judy, Sneezy, Dopey, Mick and Keith > > I thank you. Amen. > > > > > > > and that wanted to > > respond to the wonderful day and the cubic centimeter > > of chance it had offered me with the standard safe > > answer, "Yes, but..." You know...stuff like: > > > > * Yes, I'm having fun here, but I haven't really done > > everything I wanted to do with my life yet, have I? > > > > * Yes, that stunningly beautiful woman who just walked > > by and smiled at me *is* wonderful, and just the > > *sight* of her should make me shout "Yes!" to the > > universe, but I'm probably too old for her. > > > > * Yes, this town and this festival and all these > > people dressed up in their medieval finery are all > > cool, but I did read BBC News this morning, and the > > outside world still sucks. > > > > Yes, but. Icky phrase, one we repeat to ourselves in > > our heads to keep us from fully relaxing into the > > experience of Now, and thus from realizing that the > > thing we're relaxing into is not just some emphemeral > > moment but the eternality of our Self. > > > > The proper answer to life when it presents us with one > > of those cusp moments is "Yes," not "Yes, but..." > > > > IMO, far too much of spiritual teaching is about > > training people to respond to life with "Yes, but..." > > You all know what I mean. How many times have you, > > like most seekers, thought to yourself, "Yes, I'd > > like to be enlightened but...?" > > > > It really doesn't *matter* what you put after the > > "but...," does it? Whether you think it's "stress" > > that keeps you from being enlightened or some skanky > > samskara you've never managed to get past, or that > > incident from ten lifetimes ago that still has you > > convinced that karmically you are lower than the > > lint in a snake's navel. *Whatever* it is, it's > > just an excuse, a rationalization that allows your > > self to say "No" to the Self. > > > > Each of us is already enlightened. The proper answer > > when the universe presents us with a cool moment and > > that moment asks us whether we remember our own > > enlightenment, is, "Yes." > > > > By changing your answer into "Yes, but...," you are > > pushing away the Self and saying, in effect, "I'm > > not ready to accept that you are me yet, so I'm > > going to make up some excuse for why you can't be > > me." Then you put that excuse right behind the > > "but" in "Yes, but..." and you say it. And as a > > result, you create it as a seeming "reality" in > > your life. Sigh. Big fuckin' rut. No fun. > > > > There in that cafe in Sommières yesterday, I managed > > to get beyond "Yes, but..." > > > > I sat there trying to not have as much fun with the > > day as I knew I was capable of having, and then I > > caught myself doing it. The moment I did, I was > > able to laugh at myself. And through my laughter, > > I found my body saying "Yes." Out loud. Weirdest > > damned thing. > > > > Everything changed. Background flipflopped into > > foreground and the witnessing, a moment before > > unnoticed, moved front and center and reasserted > > its Self again. And all it took was getting to > > "Yes." > > > > I'm sure it'll pass...all things do...but it's > > neat while it lasts. Life's cool sometimes, yes? > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and c
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > > > Sounds good. Even better is the Self asserting its dominion > > permanently. I always find the phrase that we are already > > Enlightened to be slightly off. > > I've always found it to be completely, totally true, > and so tend to believe that any description of enlight- > enment that doesn't acknowledge its presence before it > is recognized falls into the category of "Yes, but..." It's one thing to acknowledge it in a description, but quite another to realize it experientially--and it's entirely possible to do the first without having experienced the second. (That difference is why it's called "realization," you see. Actually, that's why it's called "enlightenment.") In fact, any description that doesn't acknowledge the difference between descriptive acknowledgment and experiential realization falls into the category of bullshit. > But you can phrase it however you want. Why, how deeply gracious of you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yesterday I got up early and drove to Sommières, a > village about 30 kilometers away, because they were > having a medieval festival, and I'm a real sucker > for those kind of things. They always make me higher > than a kite. > > This one was no exception. I was sitting there at a > cafe in the town square, drinking hypocras and eating > lamb brochettes while watching the townspeople walking > by in their costumes, and this huge smile began to > form on my face and this almost-irresistable urge > came upon me to say "Yes" and just Wake Up. > > But it was tough getting to "Yes." There was a part > of me that was still locked into the dealing-with-the- > pissant-parts-of-life mindstate, Here's a mountain. Here's the top of the mountain. There's Barry on the top of that mountain. And here we are The Hoi Polloi of the world The pissants of FFL The Little People The Nothings Yet Barry has the mercy The kindness Nay, the love To grace us With his patient presence To be Here At the bottom of the mountain And waste his precious time With us Shit de Shit (as they say in Quebec) Has there ever been a bigger heart In the whole wide cable-access universe of 700 channels world? On behalf of myself, Rick, Peter, Judy, Sneezy, Dopey, Mick and Keith I thank you. > and that wanted to > respond to the wonderful day and the cubic centimeter > of chance it had offered me with the standard safe > answer, "Yes, but..." You know...stuff like: > > * Yes, I'm having fun here, but I haven't really done > everything I wanted to do with my life yet, have I? > > * Yes, that stunningly beautiful woman who just walked > by and smiled at me *is* wonderful, and just the > *sight* of her should make me shout "Yes!" to the > universe, but I'm probably too old for her. > > * Yes, this town and this festival and all these > people dressed up in their medieval finery are all > cool, but I did read BBC News this morning, and the > outside world still sucks. > > Yes, but. Icky phrase, one we repeat to ourselves in > our heads to keep us from fully relaxing into the > experience of Now, and thus from realizing that the > thing we're relaxing into is not just some emphemeral > moment but the eternality of our Self. > > The proper answer to life when it presents us with one > of those cusp moments is "Yes," not "Yes, but..." > > IMO, far too much of spiritual teaching is about > training people to respond to life with "Yes, but..." > You all know what I mean. How many times have you, > like most seekers, thought to yourself, "Yes, I'd > like to be enlightened but...?" > > It really doesn't *matter* what you put after the > "but...," does it? Whether you think it's "stress" > that keeps you from being enlightened or some skanky > samskara you've never managed to get past, or that > incident from ten lifetimes ago that still has you > convinced that karmically you are lower than the > lint in a snake's navel. *Whatever* it is, it's > just an excuse, a rationalization that allows your > self to say "No" to the Self. > > Each of us is already enlightened. The proper answer > when the universe presents us with a cool moment and > that moment asks us whether we remember our own > enlightenment, is, "Yes." > > By changing your answer into "Yes, but...," you are > pushing away the Self and saying, in effect, "I'm > not ready to accept that you are me yet, so I'm > going to make up some excuse for why you can't be > me." Then you put that excuse right behind the > "but" in "Yes, but..." and you say it. And as a > result, you create it as a seeming "reality" in > your life. Sigh. Big fuckin' rut. No fun. > > There in that cafe in Sommières yesterday, I managed > to get beyond "Yes, but..." > > I sat there trying to not have as much fun with the > day as I knew I was capable of having, and then I > caught myself doing it. The moment I did, I was > able to laugh at myself. And through my laughter, > I found my body saying "Yes." Out loud. Weirdest > damned thing. > > Everything changed. Background flipflopped into > foreground and the witnessing, a moment before > unnoticed, moved front and center and reasserted > its Self again. And all it took was getting to > "Yes." > > I'm sure it'll pass...all things do...but it's > neat while it lasts. Life's cool sometimes, yes? > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sounds good. Even better is the Self asserting its dominion > permanently. I always find the phrase that we are already > Enlightened to be slightly off. I've always found it to be completely, totally true, and so tend to believe that any description of enlight- enment that doesn't acknowledge its presence before it is recognized falls into the category of "Yes, but..." But you can phrase it however you want. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: snip > And all it took was getting to > "Yes." snip > > I'm sure it'll pass...all things do...but it's > neat while it lasts. Life's cool sometimes, yes? Good stuff. Streaming C, and all that. I enjoy those festivals to. For a while, would take the kids regurlarly. Here of course, they are set around the fur trading period, 1700's I guess. And where I live, heavy French influence. lurk > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sounds good. Even better is the Self asserting its dominion > permanently. I always find the phrase that we are already > Enlightened to be slightly off. I find it to be "off" when it's used as a weapon to demean those who haven't yet had the realization while exalting one's own purported realization. Just doesn't quite add up, somehow. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting To Yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yesterday I got up early and drove to Sommières, a > village about 30 kilometers away, because they were > having a medieval festival, and I'm a real sucker > for those kind of things. They always make me higher > than a kite. > > This one was no exception. I was sitting there at a > cafe in the town square, drinking hypocras and eating > lamb brochettes while watching the townspeople walking > by in their costumes, and this huge smile began to > form on my face and this almost-irresistable urge > came upon me to say "Yes" and just Wake Up. > > But it was tough getting to "Yes." There was a part > of me that was still locked into the dealing-with-the- > pissant-parts-of-life mindstate, and that wanted to > respond to the wonderful day and the cubic centimeter > of chance it had offered me with the standard safe > answer, "Yes, but..." You know...stuff like: > > * Yes, I'm having fun here, but I haven't really done > everything I wanted to do with my life yet, have I? > > * Yes, that stunningly beautiful woman who just walked > by and smiled at me *is* wonderful, and just the > *sight* of her should make me shout "Yes!" to the > universe, but I'm probably too old for her. > > * Yes, this town and this festival and all these > people dressed up in their medieval finery are all > cool, but I did read BBC News this morning, and the > outside world still sucks. > > Yes, but. Icky phrase, one we repeat to ourselves in > our heads to keep us from fully relaxing into the > experience of Now, and thus from realizing that the > thing we're relaxing into is not just some emphemeral > moment but the eternality of our Self. > > The proper answer to life when it presents us with one > of those cusp moments is "Yes," not "Yes, but..." > > IMO, far too much of spiritual teaching is about > training people to respond to life with "Yes, but..." > You all know what I mean. How many times have you, > like most seekers, thought to yourself, "Yes, I'd > like to be enlightened but...?" > > It really doesn't *matter* what you put after the > "but...," does it? Whether you think it's "stress" > that keeps you from being enlightened or some skanky > samskara you've never managed to get past, or that > incident from ten lifetimes ago that still has you > convinced that karmically you are lower than the > lint in a snake's navel. *Whatever* it is, it's > just an excuse, a rationalization that allows your > self to say "No" to the Self. > > Each of us is already enlightened. The proper answer > when the universe presents us with a cool moment and > that moment asks us whether we remember our own > enlightenment, is, "Yes." > > By changing your answer into "Yes, but...," you are > pushing away the Self and saying, in effect, "I'm > not ready to accept that you are me yet, so I'm > going to make up some excuse for why you can't be > me." Then you put that excuse right behind the > "but" in "Yes, but..." and you say it. And as a > result, you create it as a seeming "reality" in > your life. Sigh. Big fuckin' rut. No fun. > > There in that cafe in Sommières yesterday, I managed > to get beyond "Yes, but..." > > I sat there trying to not have as much fun with the > day as I knew I was capable of having, and then I > caught myself doing it. The moment I did, I was > able to laugh at myself. And through my laughter, > I found my body saying "Yes." Out loud. Weirdest > damned thing. > > Everything changed. Background flipflopped into > foreground and the witnessing, a moment before > unnoticed, moved front and center and reasserted > its Self again. And all it took was getting to > "Yes." > > I'm sure it'll pass...all things do...but it's > neat while it lasts. Life's cool sometimes, yes? > Sounds good. Even better is the Self asserting its dominion permanently. I always find the phrase that we are already Enlightened to be slightly off. True that each of us, and indeed each physical manifestation possesses within it the seed, the living genesis for its existence. True, absolutely true. And for humans we call that the Self. And yet, it takes time for the marriage between our individual identities and this Enlightenment, this Self, to become perfect and permanent. For those of us with such long practice of transcendental meditation (no capitalization; descriptive vs. specific...), this alternation of deep silence with activity helps alternate our identification with our daily illusion with our true Selves, our transcendent nature, much more quickly than if left to random events. So that, over time, we will eventually find ourselves in the midst of Enlightenment, permanently. At first, the experience may come and go, the transitional dynamics remarkable to us, so that we are aware of 'witnessing', that we notice the break with our daily illusion, and inste
