[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Verma leadership challenge?
(snip) ...but Bevan's speech taken together with the fact that Girish' website has nary a mention of King Tony is quite suspicious, no? It looks pretty straight forward to me... What exactly does this Indian fellow need Bevan for? And the King? This are symbols for them of Enlish Rule, on some level, I believe. So, take this at face value. I'm not quite sure, why Maharishi had Bevan as a mouth piece? Anyone know, for sure, how or why Bevan got so much 'percieved' power? I've never been able to figure this thing out. It's like Bush being President...doesn't make any sense.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Verma leadership challenge?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) ...but Bevan's speech taken together with the fact that Girish' website has nary a mention of King Tony is quite suspicious, no? It looks pretty straight forward to me... What exactly does this Indian fellow need Bevan for? And the King? This are symbols for them of Enlish Rule, on some level, I believe. So, take this at face value. I'm not quite sure, why Maharishi had Bevan as a mouth piece? Anyone know, for sure, how or why Bevan got so much 'percieved' power? I've never been able to figure this thing out. It's like Bush being President...doesn't make any sense. Did any of it ever make sense? The crowns, the endless backslapping speeches, why didn't they just get on and teach people to meditate. Because MMY told them to do all this crap, and they are just carrying on like some wind-up toy that doesn't know what else to do. Maybe if Girish has ceceded it will snap them out of their world of make-believe kings and global countries and get them to do some bloody work for a change. But I think it's too late, there isn't the interest anymore and too many other places to learn TM without having to deal with the concept of Silent King Tony.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Verma leadership challenge?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. babajii_99@ wrote: (snip) Did any of it ever make sense? The crowns, the endless backslapping speeches, why didn't they just get on and teach people to meditate. Because MMY told them to do all this crap, and they are just carrying on like some wind-up toy that doesn't know what else to do. Maybe if Girish has ceceded it will snap them out of their world of make-believe kings and global countries and get them to do some bloody work for a change. But I think it's too late, there isn't the interest anymore and too many other places to learn TM without having to deal with the concept of Silent King Tony. Well, to me, from the little I've heard; If he's lowered the prices for TM; Then he is a patriot for his country. India is well on it's way... Just remind me of the earlier, more innocent days of the TM movement in this country; before the whole Bevan take-over occurred What's wrong with what he is proposing in India, exactly? Teaching many people, is what the movement was all about. Somewhere along the line, it lost it's way... And became very 'elitist'... Why, I don't know? Anyone know?
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--- On Tue, 7/22/08, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Verma leadership challenge? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 12:11 AM Mother Nature is very patient, but not forever patient. You predictions might come through faster than many will find comfortable. Have you been sleepiong with Mother Nature. You seem to know her will so clearly. It is remarkable how Nab and others know every bob and weave of nature. Sometimes she is purifying the environment brought on by large groups doing program. Other times she is rewarding based on these same numbers. On any given day, Nab and others know which is which. The stock market can go up 300 points. Hooray, a sign of coherence spreading. Down 300 points. Needed purification taking place to allow for the AoE to take root. Low casualty counts in Iraq- a sure sign of rising coherence. High casualties, with same number doing program, some needed purification taking place. Whenever a theory is closed to criticism you know you are in trouble. Our comments, by the way, are caused by unstressing. If we were on the program our thoughts would be more coherent and we would not feel this way. Jai guru dev. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Verma leadership challenge?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) ...but Bevan's speech taken together with the fact that Girish' website has nary a mention of King Tony is quite suspicious, no? It looks pretty straight forward to me... What exactly does this Indian fellow need Bevan for? And the King? This are symbols for them of Enlish Rule, on some level, I believe. So, take this at face value. I'm not quite sure, why Maharishi had Bevan as a mouth piece? Anyone know, for sure, how or why Bevan got so much 'percieved' power? I've never been able to figure this thing out. It's like Bush being President...doesn't make any sense. Sure it does. Bevan Morris started working for MMY as a yougster in India. Have you ever packed your bags and moved to the other side of the world to work for your guru? I'm not sure he was even out of college when he first went to India. That kind of dedication gets noticed, and rewarded. L.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. babajii_99@ wrote: (snip) Did any of it ever make sense? The crowns, the endless backslapping speeches, why didn't they just get on and teach people to meditate. Because MMY told them to do all this crap, and they are just carrying on like some wind-up toy that doesn't know what else to do. Maybe if Girish has ceceded it will snap them out of their world of make-believe kings and global countries and get them to do some bloody work for a change. But I think it's too late, there isn't the interest anymore and too many other places to learn TM without having to deal with the concept of Silent King Tony. Well, to me, from the little I've heard; If he's lowered the prices for TM; Then he is a patriot for his country. India is well on it's way... Just remind me of the earlier, more innocent days of the TM movement in this country; before the whole Bevan take-over occurred What's wrong with what he is proposing in India, exactly? Teaching many people, is what the movement was all about. Somewhere along the line, it lost it's way... And became very 'elitist'... Why, I don't know? Anyone know? Could swear that TM has been free, or close to it in India for quite a while. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Verma leadership challenge?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. babajii_99@ wrote: (snip) ...but Bevan's speech taken together with the fact that Girish' website has nary a mention of King Tony is quite suspicious, no? It looks pretty straight forward to me... What exactly does this Indian fellow need Bevan for? And the King? This are symbols for them of Enlish Rule, on some level, I believe. So, take this at face value. I'm not quite sure, why Maharishi had Bevan as a mouth piece? Anyone know, for sure, how or why Bevan got so much 'percieved' power? I've never been able to figure this thing out. It's like Bush being President...doesn't make any sense. Did any of it ever make sense? The crowns, the endless backslapping speeches, why didn't they just get on and teach people to meditate. Because MMY told them to do all this crap, and they are just carrying on like some wind-up toy that doesn't know what else to do. Maybe if Girish has ceceded it will snap them out of their world of make-believe kings and global countries and get them to do some bloody work for a change. But I think it's too late, there isn't the interest anymore and too many other places to learn TM without having to deal with the concept of Silent King Tony. ...especially when you read Girish's website (the one of the organisation he inaugurated the other day). Why? Because it is pretty much going down the same failed path that Maharishi adopted over the past 25 years: watering down the core message of TM by emphasizing all the other silly programs that have nothing to do with TM. Indeed, when you read that Indian newspaper story that was linked to here originally by claudiouk, the emphasis on daily yoga practise almost seems more important than TM. I think Girish' ignoring of King Tony is not because he wants to concentrate on giving out the core message of TM but, rather, because he simply doesn't recognize King Tony's authority.
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--- On Tue, 7/22/08, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Verma leadership challenge? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 9:05 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. babajii_99@ wrote: (snip) Did any of it ever make sense? The crowns, the endless backslapping speeches, why didn't they just get on and teach people to meditate. Because MMY told them to do all this crap, and they are just carrying on like some wind-up toy that doesn't know what else to do. Maybe if Girish has ceceded it will snap them out of their world of make-believe kings and global countries and get them to do some bloody work for a change. But I think it's too late, there isn't the interest anymore and too many other places to learn TM without having to deal with the concept of Silent King Tony. Well, to me, from the little I've heard; If he's lowered the prices for TM; Then he is a patriot for his country. India is well on it's way... Just remind me of the earlier, more innocent days of the TM movement in this country; before the whole Bevan take-over occurred What's wrong with what he is proposing in India, exactly? Teaching many people, is what the movement was all about. Somewhere along the line, it lost it's way... And became very 'elitist'... Why, I don't know? Anyone know? Could swear that TM has been free, or close to it in India for quite a while. Not only is it free, it is also a different technique. It is for us in the West one of the advanced techniques. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- On Tue, 7/22/08, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Verma leadership challenge? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 9:05 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. babajii_99@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. babajii_99@ wrote: (snip) Did any of it ever make sense? The crowns, the endless backslapping speeches, why didn't they just get on and teach people to meditate. Because MMY told them to do all this crap, and they are just carrying on like some wind-up toy that doesn't know what else to do. Maybe if Girish has ceceded it will snap them out of their world of make-believe kings and global countries and get them to do some bloody work for a change. But I think it's too late, there isn't the interest anymore and too many other places to learn TM without having to deal with the concept of Silent King Tony. Well, to me, from the little I've heard; If he's lowered the prices for TM; Then he is a patriot for his country. India is well on it's way... Just remind me of the earlier, more innocent days of the TM movement in this country; before the whole Bevan take-over occurred What's wrong with what he is proposing in India, exactly? Teaching many people, is what the movement was all about. Somewhere along the line, it lost it's way... And became very 'elitist'... Why, I don't know? Anyone know? Could swear that TM has been free, or close to it in India for quite a while. Not only is it free, it is also a different technique. It is for us in the West one of the advanced techniques. Ths sounds like the same kidn of claim as that MMY used to teach om as the only mantra. How many here are native Hindu speakers who have learned TM in India? Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Verma leadership challenge?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. babajii_99@ wrote: (snip) ...but Bevan's speech taken together with the fact that Girish' website has nary a mention of King Tony is quite suspicious, no? It looks pretty straight forward to me... What exactly does this Indian fellow need Bevan for? And the King? This are symbols for them of Enlish Rule, on some level, I believe. So, take this at face value. I'm not quite sure, why Maharishi had Bevan as a mouth piece? Anyone know, for sure, how or why Bevan got so much 'percieved' power? I've never been able to figure this thing out. It's like Bush being President...doesn't make any sense. Did any of it ever make sense? The crowns, the endless backslapping speeches, why didn't they just get on and teach people to meditate. Because MMY told them to do all this crap, and they are just carrying on like some wind-up toy that doesn't know what else to do. Maybe if Girish has ceceded it will snap them out of their world of make-believe kings and global countries and get them to do some bloody work for a change. But I think it's too late, there isn't the interest anymore and too many other places to learn TM without having to deal with the concept of Silent King Tony. ...especially when you read Girish's website (the one of the organisation he inaugurated the other day). Why? Because it is pretty much going down the same failed path that Maharishi adopted over the past 25 years: watering down the core message of TM by emphasizing all the other silly programs that have nothing to do with TM. Indeed, when you read that Indian newspaper story that was linked to here originally by claudiouk, the emphasis on daily yoga practise almost seems more important than TM. I think Girish' ignoring of King Tony is not because he wants to concentrate on giving out the core message of TM but, rather, because he simply doesn't recognize King Tony's authority. IMO, MMY's mission, vision and orgs that reflect that, have always been about Spiritually Regnerating the World, bring lasting world peace, bringing heaven on earth, etc. TM, SIMS, the good ol' days that many of us appear wanting and long for, were never the thing, they were a tool. Still part of the arsenal -- but other things have been added, and overshadowed 20min 2x -- in his vision to bring about the above listed global changes. You may feel that he has wrong in how his vision should best to be implemented. You are free to implement your own vision in the way your think best.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Verma leadership challenge?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. babajii_99@ wrote: (snip) ...but Bevan's speech taken together with the fact that Girish' website has nary a mention of King Tony is quite suspicious, no? It looks pretty straight forward to me... What exactly does this Indian fellow need Bevan for? And the King? This are symbols for them of Enlish Rule, on some level, I believe. So, take this at face value. I'm not quite sure, why Maharishi had Bevan as a mouth piece? Anyone know, for sure, how or why Bevan got so much 'percieved' power? I've never been able to figure this thing out. It's like Bush being President...doesn't make any sense. Did any of it ever make sense? The crowns, the endless backslapping speeches, why didn't they just get on and teach people to meditate. Because MMY told them to do all this crap, and they are just carrying on like some wind-up toy that doesn't know what else to do. Maybe if Girish has ceceded it will snap them out of their world of make-believe kings and global countries and get them to do some bloody work for a change. But I think it's too late, there isn't the interest anymore and too many other places to learn TM without having to deal with the concept of Silent King Tony. ...especially when you read Girish's website (the one of the organisation he inaugurated the other day). Why? Because it is pretty much going down the same failed path that Maharishi adopted over the past 25 years: watering down the core message of TM by emphasizing all the other silly programs that have nothing to do with TM. Indeed, when you read that Indian newspaper story that was linked to here originally by claudiouk, the emphasis on daily yoga practise almost seems more important than TM. I think Girish' ignoring of King Tony is not because he wants to concentrate on giving out the core message of TM but, rather, because he simply doesn't recognize King Tony's authority. IMO, MMY's mission, vision and orgs that reflect that, have always been about Spiritually Regnerating the World, bring lasting world peace, bringing heaven on earth, etc. TM, SIMS, the good ol' days that many of us appear wanting and long for, were never the thing, they were a tool. Still part of the arsenal -- but other things have been added, and overshadowed 20min 2x -- in his vision to bring about the above listed global changes. You may feel that he has wrong in how his vision should best to be implemented. You are free to implement your own vision in the way your think best. Putting aside the consideration of dishonesty on the part of Maharishi for a second (i.e. the departure from the up-to-the-late- seventies message of TM is 20X2/day and no change of lifestyle), how successful do you think his new way of spiritually generating mankind has been?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Verma leadership challenge?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My sense too. It would be incredibly stupid for GIrish Varma to pull this if he expected to be controlling the $1 billion or any substantial portion of it. One troublesome detail, from a TB perspective (which I can admit to in this situation regardless of the efficacy of the ME), concerns the use of Vasudevananda's name on the home page. Is he in favor of this schism (due to pro-Hindi issues vs Tony Abu-Nader), indifferent, or was he out of the loop concerning the coup? There is no $1 billion fund - though this distinction tends to go over the heads of TBs, Settle wants to try to raise $1 billion, he hasn't done it yet, he hasn't raised anything. I hear he is strapped meeting the $1 million monthly commitment to MUM. Settle has the philosophy that the more money he gives or raises for the mov't the more he will make for himself, which is a common karmic view in the tmo. So he'd like to raise a $billion; nabluss probably would like to raise a $zillion. Over a $100 million has been transferred out of the US into the offshore B.Saraswati trust in recent years. I think it's controlled by some vlodrop boys (Harris Kaplan, steve rubin, feldman, bevan). Who knows if the money put in it in the past has been already been sent to India. My guess is it has. My guess is that girish will push the envelope of independence without clearly splitting or pissing off the voldrop boys too much. He probably thinks it should be easy manipulating them since they think everything indian is vedic and supreme. Seems to me, that it would be in his own best interests, that of the Math, etc., to go with the Western money, and stay out of endorsing Girish Varma, UNLESS he has serious reservations about a western-led TM organization. Even allowing for prejudice on everyone's part, Girish Varma's latest actions are certainly, at the very very best, heavy handed and clumsy. OTOH, as far as coups go, its a pretty decent one. Lawson I don't see the coup! Girish has led the indian mov't for a long time and answered only to his uncle. Now he's supposed to answer to a lebanese with a face job and a crown? I've never had a good feeling about this mafioso but at least it seems he wants to teach TM and disrespects Bevan - 2 things going for him.
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Much to the TMO--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. babajii_99@ wrote: (snip) ...but Bevan's speech taken together with the fact that Girish' website has nary a mention of King Tony is quite suspicious, no? It looks pretty straight forward to me... What exactly does this Indian fellow need Bevan for? And the King? This are symbols for them of Enlish Rule, on some level, I believe. So, take this at face value. I'm not quite sure, why Maharishi had Bevan as a mouth piece? Anyone know, for sure, how or why Bevan got so much 'percieved' power? I've never been able to figure this thing out. It's like Bush being President...doesn't make any sense. Sure it does. Bevan Morris started working for MMY as a yougster in India. Have you ever packed your bags and moved to the other side of the world to work for your guru? I'm not sure he was even out of college when he first went to India. That kind of dedication gets noticed, and rewarded. L. Much to the consternation of all those Bevan-haters out there; please listen up; Maharishi and Bevan are one and the same.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Much to the consternation of all those Bevan-haters out there; please listen up; Maharishi and Bevan are one and the same. So you're saying that Bevan ATE Maharishi? That would explain much. ...and on that note, I'm outa here for the week :-)
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There is no $1 billion fund - https://capitalofworldpeace.org/Page3_more.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Verma leadership challenge?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk claudiouk@ wrote: Just watching Bevan say leadership taken by surprise by Verma's announcement of new organization for India and attempts to clarify it all plus lots of statements underlining MMY's annointment of Maharaja Nader Ram as the LEADER of his Movement as if to make a special point. A Brutus scenario unfolding? - India Maharishi World Peace Movement aims to establish world peace Jabalpur | Thursday, Jul 17 2008 IST Maharishi World Peace Movement Chairman Brahmachari Girish Verma today said his objective was to establish world peace and make every citizen invincible through Vedic principles and experiments. ''The need of the hour is to take the place Movement to every human being and establish world peace for all time to come,'' he told reporters on the eve of Guru Purnima, when the Movement would be launched here. Pointing out that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi launched the World Peace Spiritual Re-awakening Movement five decades back and undertook constant tours to the nooks and crannies of the globe for blowing the bugle of a spiritual revolution, Dr Verma added 'that' was the inspiration for a resolve to launch the Peace Movement internationally. The Peace Movement would be launched here as this was Mahesh Yogi's 'karmabhoomi' in the initial part of his life. ''Guarding one's health as per the Maharishi Vedic Health Rituals, construction and use of homes, schools, offices, villages and cities as per Vaastu principles, Yoga every morning and evening, meditation and consumption of only bio-food products are among ten principal schemes of the Peace Movement,'' explained Dr Verma. The Maharishi Maha Media News Service and Maharishi Maha Media Portal would be also inaugurated tomorrow. ''Maharishi World Peace Movement committees will be formed at different levels with the target of linking at least one per cent of India's population with meditation besides imparting Yoga training to the maximum number of people,'' Dr Verma added I'm resisting the urge to say I told you so. Whoops, guess I just did! The Shrivastava/Varma vs Vlodrop clan war is now officially on. This is going to be fascinating. Truly fascinating. I wonder why Bevan felt the need to announce on the channel that Tony was in charge rather than keeping it in-house. Who was that really directed at? All of us is my guess. It would have to be important to them or they wouldn't risk any sign of discord or (horror) incoherence. I can't help thinking that if they'd stop making month long speeches about how fabulous and world renowned they are they might have got something useful done all these years. Can't wait to see how this one develops.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Verma leadership challenge?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk claudiouk@ wrote: Just watching Bevan say leadership taken by surprise by Verma's announcement of new organization for India and attempts to clarify it all plus lots of statements underlining MMY's annointment of Maharaja Nader Ram as the LEADER of his Movement as if to make a special point. A Brutus scenario unfolding? - India Maharishi World Peace Movement aims to establish world peace Jabalpur | Thursday, Jul 17 2008 IST Maharishi World Peace Movement Chairman Brahmachari Girish Verma today said his objective was to establish world peace and make every citizen invincible through Vedic principles and experiments. ''The need of the hour is to take the place Movement to every human being and establish world peace for all time to come,'' he told reporters on the eve of Guru Purnima, when the Movement would be launched here. Pointing out that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi launched the World Peace Spiritual Re-awakening Movement five decades back and undertook constant tours to the nooks and crannies of the globe for blowing the bugle of a spiritual revolution, Dr Verma added 'that' was the inspiration for a resolve to launch the Peace Movement internationally. The Peace Movement would be launched here as this was Mahesh Yogi's 'karmabhoomi' in the initial part of his life. ''Guarding one's health as per the Maharishi Vedic Health Rituals, construction and use of homes, schools, offices, villages and cities as per Vaastu principles, Yoga every morning and evening, meditation and consumption of only bio-food products are among ten principal schemes of the Peace Movement,'' explained Dr Verma. The Maharishi Maha Media News Service and Maharishi Maha Media Portal would be also inaugurated tomorrow. ''Maharishi World Peace Movement committees will be formed at different levels with the target of linking at least one per cent of India's population with meditation besides imparting Yoga training to the maximum number of people,'' Dr Verma added I'm resisting the urge to say I told you so. Whoops, guess I just did! The Shrivastava/Varma vs Vlodrop clan war is now officially on. This is going to be fascinating. Truly fascinating. I wonder why Bevan felt the need to announce on the channel that Tony was in charge rather than keeping it in-house. Who was that really directed at? All of us is my guess. It would have to be important to them or they wouldn't risk any sign of discord or (horror) incoherence. I can't help thinking that if they'd stop making month long speeches about how fabulous and world renowned they are they might have got something useful done all these years. Can't wait to see how this one develops. If this split has happened as it was related to us, this is really, really huge. Indeed, I would venture to say it is more huge than Maharishi's death; his passing had to happen and we all, in our own ways, knew it was coming, planned for it as best we could, and adjusted accordingly. But this will be yet another nail in the coffin of an already dying Movement. Here are but some of the implications: 1) What happens to the pundits in Fairfield? The Pundit Project has been a key happening in the Movement for the past 5 years or so. Girish and family hold the leases on these semi-slaves. So this will be a big disrupt right there. 2) Girish is Maharishi's family. If there is a split, how will this affect, psychologically, the troops in the West? We are supposed to be above these sorts of things and a split will confuse, demoralize, and depress many TBers. Can't have that. 3) Moolah. How much of the Movement's fortunes are held by and controlled by the Indians? Will there be court battles to get the money? This won't be pretty from a publicity point of view. 4) How many in the East (ie., India) will side with the Family? More importantly, will any in the West? You know, one juicy rumour that is BOUND to start here in the West and which, of course, you will find fertile ground for it to fester is that Girish -- who looks like his uncle and aspires to BE his uncle -- is actually Maharishi incarnate. Isn't there a sidhi for taking over another's body? You can bet that there will be some who side with Girish that will start THAT rumour! 5) What will happen to Fairfield? If there is a split of this magnitude, it could very well weaken the Movement to the degree that MIU dissolves and most everyone moves away from Fairfield. Good time to sell the casa, Rick. 6) And, of course, the most important question of all: what will happen to
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this split has happened as it was related to us, this is really, really huge. Huge, schmuge. This is just one more petty squabble among people who lost their relevance to anything in the real world decades ago. It's a bunch of people who are legends only in their own minds quibbling over who is the biggest legend. NO ONE outside of those who still identify with the TM movement GIVES A SHIT. They'll look at this petty squabbling and shake their heads and write off the squabblers the same way they did when similar squabbling erupted among the Mukta- ananda legends-in-their-own-minds and the Chogyam Trungpa legends-in-their-own-minds and the Yoga- nanda legends-in-their-own-minds and even the SBS legends-in-their-own-minds. It's ALWAYS the same petty squabbling. Doncha GET it? And, in every case, it always reveals the power- lessness and pettiness of the men behind the curtain, the ones who believe that they are legendary figures in some greater-than-life saga unfolding around them. These squabbles are ALWAYS based on the same thing: self importance. It doesn't matter whether the measure of self importance is having one's hand on the purse strings, or on having more shakti or personal power or being more enlightened than the other legends-in- their-own-minds. It doesn't matter who the wannabee legends are or who the group is. It's always the same soap opera, just with different actors playing the roles. WHO CARES? The TM movement died decades ago as far as the world is concerned. There are probably not more than 100 people on the planet who are not part of it (or were part of it at one point in their lives) who even know that this huge power struggle is taking place, or who would give a shit if they did. There is NOTHING about the TM movement that is of interest to any of the other billions of people on the planet, and it's looking as if there never will be ever again. The TM movement has all but abandoned teaching TM, preferring to preach to the choir and get its money from the already converted. They display a poverty of imagination that staggers the mind -- with billions of dollars and an international organization at their disposal, the best idea they can come up with to help the world is to...uh...erect big penises with the words Maharishi Tower Of Invincibility written on them. How self important and pathetic is THAT? The TM movement is OVER, toast. It's pushin' up daisies. It's bleedin' demised. IT IS AN EX MOVEMENT. The only reason it still appears to be on its perch is that it's been nailed there as a result of the paralyzing hubris of its own mythical self importance. This isn't huge. It's just the petty, embarrassing public rotting of the already-dead corpse of a minor spiritual movement that won't even be remembered in 20 years. Get over it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this split has happened as it was related to us, this is really, really huge. Indeed, I would venture to say it is more huge than Maharishi's death; his passing had to happen and we all, in our own ways, knew it was coming, planned for it as best we could, and adjusted accordingly. But this will be yet another nail in the coffin of an already dying Movement. Here are but some of the implications: 1) What happens to the pundits in Fairfield? The Pundit Project has been a key happening in the Movement for the past 5 years or so. Girish and family hold the leases on these semi-slaves. So this will be a big disrupt right there. 2) Girish is Maharishi's family. If there is a split, how will this affect, psychologically, the troops in the West? We are supposed to be above these sorts of things and a split will confuse, demoralize, and depress many TBers. Can't have that. 3) Moolah. How much of the Movement's fortunes are held by and controlled by the Indians? Will there be court battles to get the money? This won't be pretty from a publicity point of view. 4) How many in the East (ie., India) will side with the Family? More importantly, will any in the West? You know, one juicy rumour that is BOUND to start here in the West and which, of course, you will find fertile ground for it to fester is that Girish -- who looks like his uncle and aspires to BE his uncle -- is actually Maharishi incarnate. Isn't there a sidhi for taking over another's body? You can bet that there will be some who side with Girish that will start THAT rumour! 5) What will happen to Fairfield? If there is a split of this magnitude, it could very well weaken the Movement to the degree that MIU dissolves and most everyone moves away from Fairfield. Good time to sell the casa, Rick. 6) And, of course, the most important question of all: what will happen to the plans for Donovan Invincible University?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) What happens to the pundits in Fairfield? The Pundit Project has been a key happening in the Movement for the past 5 years or so. Girish and family hold the leases on these semi-slaves. So this will be a big disrupt right there. 2) Girish is Maharishi's family. If there is a split, how will this affect, psychologically, the troops in the West? We are supposed to be above these sorts of things and a split will confuse, demoralize, and depress many TBers. Can't have that. 3) Moolah. How much of the Movement's fortunes are held by and controlled by the Indians? Will there be court battles to get the money? This won't be pretty from a publicity point of view. 4) How many in the East (ie., India) will side with the Family? More importantly, will any in the West? You know, one juicy rumour that is BOUND to start here in the West and which, of course, you will find fertile ground for it to fester is that Girish -- who looks like his uncle and aspires to BE his uncle -- is actually Maharishi incarnate. Isn't there a sidhi for taking over another's body? Yep! Praps we might call it cittasya para-shariiraaveshaH. From Vyaasa's comment: karma-bandha-kSayaat sva-cittasya pracaara-samvedanaac ca yogii cittaM sva-shariiraan niSkRSya shariiraantareSu nikSipati. That might mean something like 'from destruction of the bondage of karma and because of knowledge of the movements of his own mind, a yogii can, after having removed his mind from his own body, throw it into the body of another'. (That is partly guessing, because I didn't bother to consult any dictionary).
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] What will happen to Fairfield? If there is a split of this magnitude, it could very well weaken the Movement to the degree that MIU dissolves and most everyone moves away from Fairfield. Good time to sell the casa, Rick. Rick Archer, the famous rumourmonger, along with all those spiritual vampires that resides in Fairfield have been working hard for the dissolvment of that city for many years now. As I have pointed out on several occasions here before. The Fairfielders still has a chance if they fully join the programmes in the Domes and do their part of the work in creating coherence. Mother Nature is very patient, but not forever patient. Your predictions might come through faster than many will find comfortable.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk claudiouk@ wrote: Just watching Bevan say leadership taken by surprise by Verma's announcement of new organization for India and attempts to clarify it all plus lots of statements underlining MMY's annointment of Maharaja Nader Ram as the LEADER of his Movement as if to make a special point. A Brutus scenario unfolding? Note that he identifies himself with an organization that isnt affiliated in any way with the TMO, as far as I can tell. This implies that he was removed from his position as head of the pundits at the brahmastan, so this is his retaliation: setting up an independent movement to cash in on his uncle's name. That's my take on it. Note he hasn't gotten the endorsement of any other organization or person, at least the press release didnt' metnion it, including MMY's preferred Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math. Also, only a tiny handful of websites have mentioned it, according to google. He's lost control of the purse strings in India, and doesn't like it. My view is that most of the tmo funds has already been transferred to indian accounts of which girish was in charge and probably still is. He already has the money. Girish used to be on the board of most US tmo affiliates so he certainly controlled the indian ones I would think. Who cares about ties with king tony? The money flow from the west is pretty much over now that mmy is dead. The money was coming from millionaire courses and big donations inspired by MMY personally. what money does come in will follow the Settle format - restricting it to specific projects that can be overseen by the donor. even TB donors have wised up some and don't want their donations disappearing anymore into the big black indian hole. king tony is not going to inspire big donations. more millionaires are going to be created in india over the next decade than in the US - look at the success of ravi shankar in marketing to this sophisticated niche. girish probably thinks he might as well cut ties with the crazy westerners in crowns and start his own org. focused on teaching tm and recreate mmy's early success in the west now in india. the fact that bevan would say he was surprised by girish's announcement is extremely revealing - definitely an internal struggle going on there. it's a totally meaningless struggle but still will be fun to watch that motley assortment of righteous spiritual blowhards fight over assets and power for the next few years. (I've heard very reliable stories of tmo bigwigs in holland calling up wealthy sidhas and requesting donations of personal real estate assets saying that before he died MMY mentioned how he wanted the mov't to have that particular piece of land or building. This is what they have to do now to raise money - say it was a dying wish of mmy's. that trick won't last too long)
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Responses interwoven below: --- On Mon, 7/21/08, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Verma leadership challenge? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 9:30 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] What will happen to Fairfield? If there is a split of this magnitude, it could very well weaken the Movement to the degree that MIU dissolves and most everyone moves away from Fairfield. Good time to sell the casa, Rick. The movement is already weak. This will do nothing. Rick Archer, the famous rumourmonger, along with all those spiritual vampires that resides in Fairfield have been working hard for the dissolvment of that city for many years now. As I have pointed out on several occasions here before. Yes, you have very astute and such reality based insights. Rick and many others of us here on FFL have been working hard day and thinking our mantras backwards to disolve the Age of Enlightenment and usher in the Age of the Darkness. You caught on, gosh dern it! The Fairfielders still has a chance if they fully join the programmes in the Domes and do their part of the work in creating coherence. This is true Mother Nature is very patient, but not forever patient. Your predictions might come through faster than many will find comfortable. Have you been sleepiong with Mother Nature. You seem to know her will so clearly. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Responses interwoven below: --- On Mon, 7/21/08, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Fairfielders still has a chance if they fully join the programmes in the Domes and do their part of the work in creating coherence. This is true Mother Nature is very patient, but not forever patient. Your predictions might come through faster than many will find comfortable. Have you been sleepiong with Mother Nature. You seem to know her will so clearly. I'm Her son. No sleepiong necessary.
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--- On Mon, 7/21/08, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Verma leadership challenge? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 10:49 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Responses interwoven below: --- On Mon, 7/21/08, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Fairfielders still has a chance if they fully join the programmes in the Domes and do their part of the work in creating coherence. This is true Mother Nature is very patient, but not forever patient. Your predictions might come through faster than many will find comfortable. Have you been sleepiong with Mother Nature. You seem to know her will so clearly. I'm Her son. No sleepiong necessary. Sorry about the Freudian slip there! ;-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
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Rick Archer, the famous rumourmonger, along with all those spiritual vampires that resides in Fairfield have been working hard for the dissolvment of that city for many years now. As I have pointed out on several occasions here before. Right, they tried evil incantations to bring in natural disasters, but the flood waters could not reach. ...but mountain doesn't move! --- On Mon, 7/21/08, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Verma leadership challenge? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 9:30 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] What will happen to Fairfield? If there is a split of this magnitude, it could very well weaken the Movement to the degree that MIU dissolves and most everyone moves away from Fairfield. Good time to sell the casa, Rick. Rick Archer, the famous rumourmonger, along with all those spiritual vampires that resides in Fairfield have been working hard for the dissolvment of that city for many years now. As I have pointed out on several occasions here before. The Fairfielders still has a chance if they fully join the programmes in the Domes and do their part of the work in creating coherence. Mother Nature is very patient, but not forever patient. Your predictions might come through faster than many will find comfortable. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re:the move by Girish and the Indian TMO that surprised Bevan (I'd really like to see that 7/20/08 statement by Bevan, BTW- might it show up on You Tube ? ). Bevan was probably surprised by Girish's move because Bevan publically promotes the continued flow of Western resources to the Indian TMO. The day before the most recent MUM graduation a few weeks ago, Bevan informed a meeting of MUM supporters that Dr. Howard Settle had committed to working to create a $1Billion endowment for the Bramananda Saraswati Trust, which supposedly will fund in `perpetuity' a means to preserve and promote traditional pandits in India. Despite the goals of the BST, the likely malfeasance of such a sum in the hands of the Indian TMO will make it very difficult to create the BST endowment. Along those lines, I have sense that the default mechanism that skimmed 40% of revenues for `International ' is broken, or soon will be. Not a moment too soon. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk claudiouk@ wrote: Just watching Bevan say leadership taken by surprise by Verma's announcement of new organization for India and attempts to clarify it all plus lots of statements underlining MMY's annointment of Maharaja Nader Ram as the LEADER of his Movement as if to make a special point. A Brutus scenario unfolding? Note that he identifies himself with an organization that isnt affiliated in any way with the TMO, as far as I can tell. This implies that he was removed from his position as head of the pundits at the brahmastan, so this is his retaliation: setting up an independent movement to cash in on his uncle's name. That's my take on it. Note he hasn't gotten the endorsement of any other organization or person, at least the press release didnt' metnion it, including MMY's preferred Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math. Also, only a tiny handful of websites have mentioned it, according to google. He's lost control of the purse strings in India, and doesn't like it. My view is that most of the tmo funds has already been transferred to indian accounts of which girish was in charge and probably still is. He already has the money. Girish used to be on the board of most US tmo affiliates so he certainly controlled the indian ones I would think. Who cares about ties with king tony? The money flow from the west is pretty much over now that mmy is dead. The money was coming from millionaire courses and big donations inspired by MMY personally. what money does come in will follow the Settle format - restricting it to specific projects that can be overseen by the donor. even TB donors have wised up some and don't want their donations disappearing anymore into the big black indian hole. king tony is not going to inspire big donations. more millionaires are going to be created in india over the next decade than in the US - look at the success of ravi shankar in marketing to this sophisticated niche. girish probably thinks he might as well cut ties with the crazy westerners in crowns and start his own org. focused on teaching tm and recreate mmy's early success in the west now in india. the fact that bevan would say he was surprised by girish's announcement is extremely revealing - definitely an internal struggle going on there. it's a totally meaningless struggle but still will be fun to watch that motley assortment of righteous spiritual blowhards fight over assets and power for the next few years. (I've heard very reliable stories of tmo bigwigs in holland calling up wealthy sidhas and requesting donations of personal real estate assets saying that before he died MMY mentioned how he wanted the mov't to have that particular piece of land or building. This is what they have to do now to raise money - say it was a dying wish of mmy's. that trick won't last too long)
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Apropos of mainstream's comments below, if I were advising the TMO's grand poobah's on this matter I would recommend the following: now is the time to test the waters of their relationship with Girish. Since King Nader Raam is, well, the King, let Nader Raam command Girish to give up complete control of the Indian Movement to Rajah Harris and let's see his reaction. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re:the move by Girish and the Indian TMO that surprised Bevan (I'd really like to see that 7/20/08 statement by Bevan, BTW- might it show up on You Tube ? ). Bevan was probably surprised by Girish's move because Bevan publically promotes the continued flow of Western resources to the Indian TMO. The day before the most recent MUM graduation a few weeks ago, Bevan informed a meeting of MUM supporters that Dr. Howard Settle had committed to working to create a $1Billion endowment for the Bramananda Saraswati Trust, which supposedly will fund in `perpetuity' a means to preserve and promote traditional pandits in India. Despite the goals of the BST, the likely malfeasance of such a sum in the hands of the Indian TMO will make it very difficult to create the BST endowment. Along those lines, I have sense that the default mechanism that skimmed 40% of revenues for `International ' is broken, or soon will be. Not a moment too soon. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk claudiouk@ wrote: Just watching Bevan say leadership taken by surprise by Verma's announcement of new organization for India and attempts to clarify it all plus lots of statements underlining MMY's annointment of Maharaja Nader Ram as the LEADER of his Movement as if to make a special point. A Brutus scenario unfolding? Note that he identifies himself with an organization that isnt affiliated in any way with the TMO, as far as I can tell. This implies that he was removed from his position as head of the pundits at the brahmastan, so this is his retaliation: setting up an independent movement to cash in on his uncle's name. That's my take on it. Note he hasn't gotten the endorsement of any other organization or person, at least the press release didnt' metnion it, including MMY's preferred Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math. Also, only a tiny handful of websites have mentioned it, according to google. He's lost control of the purse strings in India, and doesn't like it. My view is that most of the tmo funds has already been transferred to indian accounts of which girish was in charge and probably still is. He already has the money. Girish used to be on the board of most US tmo affiliates so he certainly controlled the indian ones I would think. Who cares about ties with king tony? The money flow from the west is pretty much over now that mmy is dead. The money was coming from millionaire courses and big donations inspired by MMY personally. what money does come in will follow the Settle format - restricting it to specific projects that can be overseen by the donor. even TB donors have wised up some and don't want their donations disappearing anymore into the big black indian hole. king tony is not going to inspire big donations. more millionaires are going to be created in india over the next decade than in the US - look at the success of ravi shankar in marketing to this sophisticated niche. girish probably thinks he might as well cut ties with the crazy westerners in crowns and start his own org. focused on teaching tm and recreate mmy's early success in the west now in india. the fact that bevan would say he was surprised by girish's announcement is extremely revealing - definitely an internal struggle going on there. it's a totally meaningless struggle but still will be fun to watch that motley assortment of righteous spiritual blowhards fight over assets and power for the next few years. (I've heard very reliable stories of tmo bigwigs in holland calling up wealthy sidhas and requesting donations of personal real estate assets saying that before he died MMY mentioned how he wanted the mov't to have that particular piece of land or building. This is what they have to do now to raise money - say it was a dying wish of mmy's. that trick won't last too long)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re:the move by Girish and the Indian TMO that surprised Bevan (I'd really like to see that 7/20/08 statement by Bevan, BTW- might it show up on You Tube ? ). Bevan was probably surprised by Girish's move because Bevan publically promotes the continued flow of Western resources to the Indian TMO. The day before the most recent MUM graduation a few weeks ago, Bevan informed a meeting of MUM supporters that Dr. Howard Settle had committed to working to create a $1Billion endowment for the Bramananda Saraswati Trust, which supposedly will fund in `perpetuity' a means to preserve and promote traditional pandits in India. Despite the goals of the BST, the likely malfeasance of such a sum in the hands of the Indian TMO will make it very difficult to create the BST endowment. Along those lines, I have sense that the default mechanism that skimmed 40% of revenues for `International ' is broken, or soon will be. Not a moment too soon. My sense too. It would be incredibly stupid for GIrish Varma to pull this if he expected to be controlling the $1 billion or any substantial portion of it. One troublesome detail, from a TB perspective (which I can admit to in this situation regardless of the efficacy of the ME), concerns the use of Vasudevananda's name on the home page. Is he in favor of this schism (due to pro-Hindi issues vs Tony Abu-Nader), indifferent, or was he out of the loop concerning the coup? Seems to me, that it would be in his own best interests, that of the Math, etc., to go with the Western money, and stay out of endorsing Girish Varma, UNLESS he has serious reservations about a western-led TM organization. Even allowing for prejudice on everyone's part, Girish Varma's latest actions are certainly, at the very very best, heavy handed and clumsy. OTOH, as far as coups go, its a pretty decent one. Lawson
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apropos of mainstream's comments below, if I were advising the TMO's grand poobah's on this matter I would recommend the following: now is the time to test the waters of their relationship with Girish. Since King Nader Raam is, well, the King, let Nader Raam command Girish to give up complete control of the Indian Movement to Rajah Harris and let's see his reaction. That's the nuclear option. I'd recommend feelers to Swami Vasudevananda, by some native Hindu-speaker. Heck, play on Deepak CHopra's ego and privately get HIM to work on things, maybe with Sri Sri Ravishankdar. The big issue, regardless of who works on it, is that Varma has the bloodline, which counts for everything in India. Many/most in India may even feel that he was always the heir apparent, just because he was the ranking Indian and MMY's relative, and thought the whole Tony Nader thing was a palace coup. Helsinki, Girish Varma may privately believe that himself. Lawson .
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Apropos of mainstream's comments below, if I were advising the TMO's grand poobah's on this matter I would recommend the following: now is the time to test the waters of their relationship with Girish. Since King Nader Raam is, well, the King, let Nader Raam command Girish to give up complete control of the Indian Movement to Rajah Harris and let's see his reaction. That's the nuclear option. I'd recommend feelers to Swami Vasudevananda, by some native Hindu-speaker. Heck, play on Deepak CHopra's ego and privately get HIM to work on things, maybe with Sri Sri Ravishankdar. The big issue, regardless of who works on it, is that Varma has the bloodline, which counts for everything in India. Many/most in India may even feel that he was always the heir apparent, just because he was the ranking Indian and MMY's relative, and thought the whole Tony Nader thing was a palace coup. Helsinki, Girish Varma may privately believe that himself. Lawson . Of course, it all may just be a misunderstanding... Or extremely nice spin: http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=121658231039967343 http://tinyurl.com/5k6wet [...] ''There was a wildly enthusiastic response, described by Dr Girish Varma as a 'fire of a response'. Nine television stations were there, including two national television stations. One television station broadcast the entire nine hours of the celebrations. They broadcast the beautiful address and blessings from Maharaja Adhiraj Raja Raam, First Ruler of the Global Country of World Peace, as well as a beautiful talk by Dr Bevan Morris, Prime Minister of the Global Country of World Peace. Dr Morris gave a global perspective of India and Maharishi's Vedic Pandits in the context of his total plan for enlightenment for every individual and invincibility for every nation. 'It was thrilling to hear that every major newspaper of India has a story today with beautiful large pictures and the wave that came out of that is absolutely wonderful,' Raja Harris said. '
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Lol. You guys are hilarious. Bevan's speech (that was repeated 4 consecutive times on Maharishi Channel) was in response to Brahmachari Nankishore's remarks, which wasn't replayed, but one of the remarks of B Nankishore was he was downplaying Maharaja Nader Rama as an (unimportant) Silent King. Did anyone else see B Nankishore's speech right before Bevan made those remarks? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Apropos of mainstream's comments below, if I were advising the TMO's grand poobah's on this matter I would recommend the following: now is the time to test the waters of their relationship with Girish. Since King Nader Raam is, well, the King, let Nader Raam command Girish to give up complete control of the Indian Movement to Rajah Harris and let's see his reaction. That's the nuclear option. I'd recommend feelers to Swami Vasudevananda, by some native Hindu-speaker. Heck, play on Deepak CHopra's ego and privately get HIM to work on things, maybe with Sri Sri Ravishankdar. The big issue, regardless of who works on it, is that Varma has the bloodline, which counts for everything in India. Many/most in India may even feel that he was always the heir apparent, just because he was the ranking Indian and MMY's relative, and thought the whole Tony Nader thing was a palace coup. Helsinki, Girish Varma may privately believe that himself. Lawson .
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ''There was a wildly enthusiastic response, described by Dr Girish Varma as a 'fire of a response'. Nine television stations were there, including two national television stations. One television station broadcast the entire nine hours of the celebrations. They broadcast the beautiful address and blessings from Maharaja Adhiraj Raja Raam, First Ruler of the Global Country of World Peace, as well as a beautiful talk by Dr Bevan Morris, Prime Minister of the Global Country of World Peace. Dr Morris gave a global perspective of India and Maharishi's Vedic Pandits in the context of his total plan for enlightenment for every individual and invincibility for every nation. ''Whether surroundings and circumstances are favourable or unfavourable, men of honour and grace always act in a way that leads them to glory here on earth and in heaven.'' - Maharishi
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Mother Nature is very patient, but not forever patient. You predictions might come through faster than many will find comfortable. Have you been sleepiong with Mother Nature. You seem to know her will so clearly. It is remarkable how Nab and others know every bob and weave of nature. Sometimes she is purifying the environment brought on by large groups doing program. Other times she is rewarding based on these same numbers. On any given day, Nab and others know which is which. The stock market can go up 300 points. Hooray, a sign of coherence spreading. Down 300 points. Needed purification taking place to allow for the AoE to take root. Low casualty counts in Iraq- a sure sign of rising coherence. High casualties, with same number doing program, some needed purification taking place.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Helsinki, Girish Varma may privately believe that himself. Helsinki? Who do you think you are, Diablo Cody?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, koesje1958 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lol. You guys are hilarious. Bevan's speech (that was repeated 4 consecutive times on Maharishi Channel) was in response to Brahmachari Nankishore's remarks, which wasn't replayed, but one of the remarks of B Nankishore was he was downplaying Maharaja Nader Rama as an (unimportant) Silent King. Did anyone else see B Nankishore's speech right before Bevan made those remarks? ...but Bevan's speech taken together with the fact that Girish' website has nary a mention of King Tony is quite suspicious, no? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Apropos of mainstream's comments below, if I were advising the TMO's grand poobah's on this matter I would recommend the following: now is the time to test the waters of their relationship with Girish. Since King Nader Raam is, well, the King, let Nader Raam command Girish to give up complete control of the Indian Movement to Rajah Harris and let's see his reaction. That's the nuclear option. I'd recommend feelers to Swami Vasudevananda, by some native Hindu-speaker. Heck, play on Deepak CHopra's ego and privately get HIM to work on things, maybe with Sri Sri Ravishankdar. The big issue, regardless of who works on it, is that Varma has the bloodline, which counts for everything in India. Many/most in India may even feel that he was always the heir apparent, just because he was the ranking Indian and MMY's relative, and thought the whole Tony Nader thing was a palace coup. Helsinki, Girish Varma may privately believe that himself. Lawson .
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-New pic of Peace Palace in Spiritual Center of America: http://www.ldschurchtemples.com/saltlake/ -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, koesje1958 koesje1958@ wrote: Lol. You guys are hilarious. Bevan's speech (that was repeated 4 consecutive times on Maharishi Channel) was in response to Brahmachari Nankishore's remarks, which wasn't replayed, but one of the remarks of B Nankishore was he was downplaying Maharaja Nader Rama as an (unimportant) Silent King. Did anyone else see B Nankishore's speech right before Bevan made those remarks? ...but Bevan's speech taken together with the fact that Girish' website has nary a mention of King Tony is quite suspicious, no? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Apropos of mainstream's comments below, if I were advising the TMO's grand poobah's on this matter I would recommend the following: now is the time to test the waters of their relationship with Girish. Since King Nader Raam is, well, the King, let Nader Raam command Girish to give up complete control of the Indian Movement to Rajah Harris and let's see his reaction. That's the nuclear option. I'd recommend feelers to Swami Vasudevananda, by some native Hindu-speaker. Heck, play on Deepak CHopra's ego and privately get HIM to work on things, maybe with Sri Sri Ravishankdar. The big issue, regardless of who works on it, is that Varma has the bloodline, which counts for everything in India. Many/most in India may even feel that he was always the heir apparent, just because he was the ranking Indian and MMY's relative, and thought the whole Tony Nader thing was a palace coup. Helsinki, Girish Varma may privately believe that himself. Lawson .
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quite often when a spiritual leader dies, their organization will splinter, Yogananda, Muktananda etconce MMY left the scene many of my friends remarked that the splinter and power grabs would definitly occur...just look at the personalities involved...if this is the first splinter, or power grab, it sure did happen quite quickly! The perfect world of the global country of world peace is starting to show its imperfections! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, koesje1958 koesje1958@ wrote: Lol. You guys are hilarious. Bevan's speech (that was repeated 4 consecutive times on Maharishi Channel) was in response to Brahmachari Nankishore's remarks, which wasn't replayed, but one of the remarks of B Nankishore was he was downplaying Maharaja Nader Rama as an (unimportant) Silent King. Did anyone else see B Nankishore's speech right before Bevan made those remarks? ...but Bevan's speech taken together with the fact that Girish' website has nary a mention of King Tony is quite suspicious, no? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Apropos of mainstream's comments below, if I were advising the TMO's grand poobah's on this matter I would recommend the following: now is the time to test the waters of their relationship with Girish. Since King Nader Raam is, well, the King, let Nader Raam command Girish to give up complete control of the Indian Movement to Rajah Harris and let's see his reaction. That's the nuclear option. I'd recommend feelers to Swami Vasudevananda, by some native Hindu-speaker. Heck, play on Deepak CHopra's ego and privately get HIM to work on things, maybe with Sri Sri Ravishankdar. The big issue, regardless of who works on it, is that Varma has the bloodline, which counts for everything in India. Many/most in India may even feel that he was always the heir apparent, just because he was the ranking Indian and MMY's relative, and thought the whole Tony Nader thing was a palace coup. Helsinki, Girish Varma may privately believe that himself. Lawson .
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bettyblue109 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quite often when a spiritual leader dies, their organization will splinter, Yogananda, Muktananda etconce MMY left the scene many of my friends remarked that the splinter and power grabs would definitly occur...just look at the personalities involved...if this is the first splinter, or power grab, it sure did happen quite quickly! The perfect world of the global country of world peace is starting to show its imperfections! The strength of the organization will be measured by how it faces challenges. I think the spin (if it was spin) was quite gracious and face-saving. Lawson
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bettyblue109 no_reply@ quite often when a spiritual leader dies, their organization will splinter, Yogananda, Muktananda etc (snip) So, whose really running things around here? And, what about Jesus? What happened to that movement? And Buddha? What about Mohammad Ali? Who is he fighting now? Abraham, Martin and John... Remember to vote. While we're still able...
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just watching Bevan say leadership taken by surprise by Verma's announcement of new organization for India and attempts to clarify it all plus lots of statements underlining MMY's annointment of Maharaja Nader Ram as the LEADER of his Movement as if to make a special point. A Brutus scenario unfolding? - India Maharishi World Peace Movement aims to establish world peace Jabalpur | Thursday, Jul 17 2008 IST Maharishi World Peace Movement Chairman Brahmachari Girish Verma today said his objective was to establish world peace and make every citizen invincible through Vedic principles and experiments. ''The need of the hour is to take the place Movement to every human being and establish world peace for all time to come,'' he told reporters on the eve of Guru Purnima, when the Movement would be launched here. Pointing out that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi launched the World Peace Spiritual Re-awakening Movement five decades back and undertook constant tours to the nooks and crannies of the globe for blowing the bugle of a spiritual revolution, Dr Verma added 'that' was the inspiration for a resolve to launch the Peace Movement internationally. The Peace Movement would be launched here as this was Mahesh Yogi's 'karmabhoomi' in the initial part of his life. ''Guarding one's health as per the Maharishi Vedic Health Rituals, construction and use of homes, schools, offices, villages and cities as per Vaastu principles, Yoga every morning and evening, meditation and consumption of only bio-food products are among ten principal schemes of the Peace Movement,'' explained Dr Verma. The Maharishi Maha Media News Service and Maharishi Maha Media Portal would be also inaugurated tomorrow. ''Maharishi World Peace Movement committees will be formed at different levels with the target of linking at least one per cent of India's population with meditation besides imparting Yoga training to the maximum number of people,'' Dr Verma added I'm resisting the urge to say I told you so. Whoops, guess I just did! The Shrivastava/Varma vs Vlodrop clan war is now officially on. This is going to be fascinating.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just watching Bevan say leadership taken by surprise by Verma's announcement of new organization for India and attempts to clarify it all plus lots of statements underlining MMY's annointment of Maharaja Nader Ram as the LEADER of his Movement as if to make a special point. A Brutus scenario unfolding? Could someone please clarify for me? claudiouk makes reference to Bevan say leadership taken by surprise...when and where did this happen...was it a press release...is there a video of Bevan saying this? Please let me know... - India Maharishi World Peace Movement aims to establish world peace Jabalpur | Thursday, Jul 17 2008 IST Maharishi World Peace Movement Chairman Brahmachari Girish Verma today said his objective was to establish world peace and make every citizen invincible through Vedic principles and experiments. ''The need of the hour is to take the place Movement to every human being and establish world peace for all time to come,'' he told reporters on the eve of Guru Purnima, when the Movement would be launched here. Pointing out that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi launched the World Peace Spiritual Re-awakening Movement five decades back and undertook constant tours to the nooks and crannies of the globe for blowing the bugle of a spiritual revolution, Dr Verma added 'that' was the inspiration for a resolve to launch the Peace Movement internationally. The Peace Movement would be launched here as this was Mahesh Yogi's 'karmabhoomi' in the initial part of his life. ''Guarding one's health as per the Maharishi Vedic Health Rituals, construction and use of homes, schools, offices, villages and cities as per Vaastu principles, Yoga every morning and evening, meditation and consumption of only bio-food products are among ten principal schemes of the Peace Movement,'' explained Dr Verma. The Maharishi Maha Media News Service and Maharishi Maha Media Portal would be also inaugurated tomorrow. ''Maharishi World Peace Movement committees will be formed at different levels with the target of linking at least one per cent of India's population with meditation besides imparting Yoga training to the maximum number of people,'' Dr Verma added
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just watching Bevan say leadership taken by surprise by Verma's announcement of new organization for India and attempts to clarify it all plus lots of statements underlining MMY's annointment of Maharaja Nader Ram as the LEADER of his Movement as if to make a special point. A Brutus scenario unfolding? Note that he identifies himself with an organization that isnt affiliated in any way with the TMO, as far as I can tell. This implies that he was removed from his position as head of the pundits at the brahmastan, so this is his retaliation: setting up an independent movement to cash in on his uncle's name. That's my take on it. Note he hasn't gotten the endorsement of any other organization or person, at least the press release didnt' metnion it, including MMY's preferred Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math. Also, only a tiny handful of websites have mentioned it, according to google. He's lost control of the purse strings in India, and doesn't like it. L. - India Maharishi World Peace Movement aims to establish world peace Jabalpur | Thursday, Jul 17 2008 IST Maharishi World Peace Movement Chairman Brahmachari Girish Verma today said his objective was to establish world peace and make every citizen invincible through Vedic principles and experiments. ''The need of the hour is to take the place Movement to every human being and establish world peace for all time to come,'' he told reporters on the eve of Guru Purnima, when the Movement would be launched here. Pointing out that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi launched the World Peace Spiritual Re-awakening Movement five decades back and undertook constant tours to the nooks and crannies of the globe for blowing the bugle of a spiritual revolution, Dr Verma added 'that' was the inspiration for a resolve to launch the Peace Movement internationally. The Peace Movement would be launched here as this was Mahesh Yogi's 'karmabhoomi' in the initial part of his life. ''Guarding one's health as per the Maharishi Vedic Health Rituals, construction and use of homes, schools, offices, villages and cities as per Vaastu principles, Yoga every morning and evening, meditation and consumption of only bio-food products are among ten principal schemes of the Peace Movement,'' explained Dr Verma. The Maharishi Maha Media News Service and Maharishi Maha Media Portal would be also inaugurated tomorrow. ''Maharishi World Peace Movement committees will be formed at different levels with the target of linking at least one per cent of India's population with meditation besides imparting Yoga training to the maximum number of people,'' Dr Verma added
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Clarification - as I understand it Verma, who basically dealt with the Indian side of the Movement, seems to have launched a new Indian initiative (to teach 1% of Indians and introduce other MMY projects, without consulting the Global Country of World Peace leaders (including the Indian Raja). They, in their turn, spent some time on recent webcasts highlighting the fact that MMY had made Maharaja Rader Ram the absolute leader of his Movement plus suggested contact was made to clarify this new Verma initiative and announced they were giving it their blessing after all. However there is a suggestion here that Verma sees himself as the main player in India - he is the one after all responsible for all the Indinan Maharishi schools and the Pandits programmes and the large groups in India in the Brahmanastan centre being constructed. So he has a lot of power locally and is Indian and I think is in fact a member of MMY's family as well. The fact that he launched what amounts to a separate organization without any consultation with the TMO leadership suggests he doesn't see himself as having to defer to them. They in turn seem to have given their blessing to his efforts officially, but privately must have experienced this development as a leadership challenge. At least that's how I interpret these developments. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk claudiouk@ wrote: Just watching Bevan say leadership taken by surprise by Verma's announcement of new organization for India and attempts to clarify it all plus lots of statements underlining MMY's annointment of Maharaja Nader Ram as the LEADER of his Movement as if to make a special point. A Brutus scenario unfolding? Could someone please clarify for me? claudiouk makes reference to Bevan say leadership taken by surprise...when and where did this happen...was it a press release...is there a video of Bevan saying this? Please let me know... - India Maharishi World Peace Movement aims to establish world peace Jabalpur | Thursday, Jul 17 2008 IST Maharishi World Peace Movement Chairman Brahmachari Girish Verma today said his objective was to establish world peace and make every citizen invincible through Vedic principles and experiments. ''The need of the hour is to take the place Movement to every human being and establish world peace for all time to come,'' he told reporters on the eve of Guru Purnima, when the Movement would be launched here. Pointing out that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi launched the World Peace Spiritual Re-awakening Movement five decades back and undertook constant tours to the nooks and crannies of the globe for blowing the bugle of a spiritual revolution, Dr Verma added 'that' was the inspiration for a resolve to launch the Peace Movement internationally. The Peace Movement would be launched here as this was Mahesh Yogi's 'karmabhoomi' in the initial part of his life. ''Guarding one's health as per the Maharishi Vedic Health Rituals, construction and use of homes, schools, offices, villages and cities as per Vaastu principles, Yoga every morning and evening, meditation and consumption of only bio-food products are among ten principal schemes of the Peace Movement,'' explained Dr Verma. The Maharishi Maha Media News Service and Maharishi Maha Media Portal would be also inaugurated tomorrow. ''Maharishi World Peace Movement committees will be formed at different levels with the target of linking at least one per cent of India's population with meditation besides imparting Yoga training to the maximum number of people,'' Dr Verma added
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Could you please give specific answers, claudiouk, to the following questions: You said: Just watching Bevan say leadership taken by surprise... Where did you see this, please? Do you have a link? How do you know Girish didn't consult Holland...citation, please. Which recent broadcasts did the TMO emphasize that Nader Raam is the chosen successor? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clarification - as I understand it Verma, who basically dealt with the Indian side of the Movement, seems to have launched a new Indian initiative (to teach 1% of Indians and introduce other MMY projects, without consulting the Global Country of World Peace leaders (including the Indian Raja). They, in their turn, spent some time on recent webcasts highlighting the fact that MMY had made Maharaja Rader Ram the absolute leader of his Movement plus suggested contact was made to clarify this new Verma initiative and announced they were giving it their blessing after all. However there is a suggestion here that Verma sees himself as the main player in India - he is the one after all responsible for all the Indinan Maharishi schools and the Pandits programmes and the large groups in India in the Brahmanastan centre being constructed. So he has a lot of power locally and is Indian and I think is in fact a member of MMY's family as well. The fact that he launched what amounts to a separate organization without any consultation with the TMO leadership suggests he doesn't see himself as having to defer to them. They in turn seem to have given their blessing to his efforts officially, but privately must have experienced this development as a leadership challenge. At least that's how I interpret these developments. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk claudiouk@ wrote: Just watching Bevan say leadership taken by surprise by Verma's announcement of new organization for India and attempts to clarify it all plus lots of statements underlining MMY's annointment of Maharaja Nader Ram as the LEADER of his Movement as if to make a special point. A Brutus scenario unfolding? Could someone please clarify for me? claudiouk makes reference to Bevan say leadership taken by surprise...when and where did this happen...was it a press release...is there a video of Bevan saying this? Please let me know... - India Maharishi World Peace Movement aims to establish world peace Jabalpur | Thursday, Jul 17 2008 IST Maharishi World Peace Movement Chairman Brahmachari Girish Verma today said his objective was to establish world peace and make every citizen invincible through Vedic principles and experiments. ''The need of the hour is to take the place Movement to every human being and establish world peace for all time to come,'' he told reporters on the eve of Guru Purnima, when the Movement would be launched here. Pointing out that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi launched the World Peace Spiritual Re-awakening Movement five decades back and undertook constant tours to the nooks and crannies of the globe for blowing the bugle of a spiritual revolution, Dr Verma added 'that' was the inspiration for a resolve to launch the Peace Movement internationally. The Peace Movement would be launched here as this was Mahesh Yogi's 'karmabhoomi' in the initial part of his life. ''Guarding one's health as per the Maharishi Vedic Health Rituals, construction and use of homes, schools, offices, villages and cities as per Vaastu principles, Yoga every morning and evening, meditation and consumption of only bio-food products are among ten principal schemes of the Peace Movement,'' explained Dr Verma. The Maharishi Maha Media News Service and Maharishi Maha Media Portal would be also inaugurated tomorrow. ''Maharishi World Peace Movement committees will be formed at different levels with the target of linking at least one per cent of India's population with meditation besides imparting Yoga training to the maximum number of people,'' Dr Verma added
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I watched Bevan THIS evening on the Maharishi Channel. He mentioned that everyone, including the Raja of India, had been taken BY SURPRISE by Verma's new Indian organization. There followed some contact and clarification with Verma which led to an announcement, on the Maharishi Channel, of the TMO's support for Verma - but at the same time, Bevan went out of his way to emphasize how MMY had DEFINITELY made King Nader the leader of the Movement. As an example he described how on January 12 2006 he had Nader sit in his seat in the Brahmanistan at MERU and had a new platform built for himself to the side. I imagine that this broadcast will be repeated. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you please give specific answers, claudiouk, to the following questions: You said: Just watching Bevan say leadership taken by surprise... Where did you see this, please? Do you have a link? How do you know Girish didn't consult Holland...citation, please. Which recent broadcasts did the TMO emphasize that Nader Raam is the chosen successor? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk claudiouk@ wrote: Clarification - as I understand it Verma, who basically dealt with the Indian side of the Movement, seems to have launched a new Indian initiative (to teach 1% of Indians and introduce other MMY projects, without consulting the Global Country of World Peace leaders (including the Indian Raja). They, in their turn, spent some time on recent webcasts highlighting the fact that MMY had made Maharaja Rader Ram the absolute leader of his Movement plus suggested contact was made to clarify this new Verma initiative and announced they were giving it their blessing after all. However there is a suggestion here that Verma sees himself as the main player in India - he is the one after all responsible for all the Indinan Maharishi schools and the Pandits programmes and the large groups in India in the Brahmanastan centre being constructed. So he has a lot of power locally and is Indian and I think is in fact a member of MMY's family as well. The fact that he launched what amounts to a separate organization without any consultation with the TMO leadership suggests he doesn't see himself as having to defer to them. They in turn seem to have given their blessing to his efforts officially, but privately must have experienced this development as a leadership challenge. At least that's how I interpret these developments. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk claudiouk@ wrote: Just watching Bevan say leadership taken by surprise by Verma's announcement of new organization for India and attempts to clarify it all plus lots of statements underlining MMY's annointment of Maharaja Nader Ram as the LEADER of his Movement as if to make a special point. A Brutus scenario unfolding? Could someone please clarify for me? claudiouk makes reference to Bevan say leadership taken by surprise...when and where did this happen...was it a press release...is there a video of Bevan saying this? Please let me know... -- -- - India Maharishi World Peace Movement aims to establish world peace Jabalpur | Thursday, Jul 17 2008 IST Maharishi World Peace Movement Chairman Brahmachari Girish Verma today said his objective was to establish world peace and make every citizen invincible through Vedic principles and experiments. ''The need of the hour is to take the place Movement to every human being and establish world peace for all time to come,'' he told reporters on the eve of Guru Purnima, when the Movement would be launched here. Pointing out that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi launched the World Peace Spiritual Re-awakening Movement five decades back and undertook constant tours to the nooks and crannies of the globe for blowing the bugle of a spiritual revolution, Dr Verma added 'that' was the inspiration for a resolve to launch the Peace Movement internationally. The Peace Movement would be launched here as this was Mahesh Yogi's 'karmabhoomi' in the initial part of his life. ''Guarding one's health as per the Maharishi Vedic Health Rituals, construction and use of homes, schools, offices, villages and cities as per Vaastu principles, Yoga every morning and evening, meditation and consumption of only bio-food products are among ten principal schemes of the Peace Movement,'' explained Dr Verma. The Maharishi Maha Media News Service and Maharishi Maha Media Portal would be
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Thanks for the info, claudiouk. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I watched Bevan THIS evening on the Maharishi Channel. He mentioned that everyone, including the Raja of India, had been taken BY SURPRISE by Verma's new Indian organization. There followed some contact and clarification with Verma which led to an announcement, on the Maharishi Channel, of the TMO's support for Verma - but at the same time, Bevan went out of his way to emphasize how MMY had DEFINITELY made King Nader the leader of the Movement. As an example he described how on January 12 2006 he had Nader sit in his seat in the Brahmanistan at MERU and had a new platform built for himself to the side. I imagine that this broadcast will be repeated. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Could you please give specific answers, claudiouk, to the following questions: You said: Just watching Bevan say leadership taken by surprise... Where did you see this, please? Do you have a link? How do you know Girish didn't consult Holland...citation, please. Which recent broadcasts did the TMO emphasize that Nader Raam is the chosen successor? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk claudiouk@ wrote: Clarification - as I understand it Verma, who basically dealt with the Indian side of the Movement, seems to have launched a new Indian initiative (to teach 1% of Indians and introduce other MMY projects, without consulting the Global Country of World Peace leaders (including the Indian Raja). They, in their turn, spent some time on recent webcasts highlighting the fact that MMY had made Maharaja Rader Ram the absolute leader of his Movement plus suggested contact was made to clarify this new Verma initiative and announced they were giving it their blessing after all. However there is a suggestion here that Verma sees himself as the main player in India - he is the one after all responsible for all the Indinan Maharishi schools and the Pandits programmes and the large groups in India in the Brahmanastan centre being constructed. So he has a lot of power locally and is Indian and I think is in fact a member of MMY's family as well. The fact that he launched what amounts to a separate organization without any consultation with the TMO leadership suggests he doesn't see himself as having to defer to them. They in turn seem to have given their blessing to his efforts officially, but privately must have experienced this development as a leadership challenge. At least that's how I interpret these developments. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk claudiouk@ wrote: Just watching Bevan say leadership taken by surprise by Verma's announcement of new organization for India and attempts to clarify it all plus lots of statements underlining MMY's annointment of Maharaja Nader Ram as the LEADER of his Movement as if to make a special point. A Brutus scenario unfolding? Could someone please clarify for me? claudiouk makes reference to Bevan say leadership taken by surprise...when and where did this happen...was it a press release...is there a video of Bevan saying this? Please let me know... -- -- - India Maharishi World Peace Movement aims to establish world peace Jabalpur | Thursday, Jul 17 2008 IST Maharishi World Peace Movement Chairman Brahmachari Girish Verma today said his objective was to establish world peace and make every citizen invincible through Vedic principles and experiments. ''The need of the hour is to take the place Movement to every human being and establish world peace for all time to come,'' he told reporters on the eve of Guru Purnima, when the Movement would be launched here. Pointing out that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi launched the World Peace Spiritual Re-awakening Movement five decades back and undertook constant tours to the nooks and crannies of the globe for blowing the bugle of a spiritual revolution, Dr Verma added 'that' was the inspiration for a resolve to launch the Peace Movement internationally. The Peace Movement would be launched here as this was Mahesh Yogi's 'karmabhoomi' in the initial part of his life. ''Guarding one's health as per the Maharishi Vedic Health Rituals, construction and use of homes, schools, offices, villages and cities as per Vaastu
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Verma leadership challenge?
Hmmm...it could be those who speculated MMY's relatives were in this for the money were completely wrong all this time. No way this guy would do anything to create a chasm between the western TMO and the Indian TMO and lose the income stream if he's in this only for the money. So maybe there's so much money in the personal account that it's time to add in some fame? But can one who grows up in a country where it's in the blood to cheat westerners change stripes so easily? ...but mountain doesn't move! --- On Sun, 7/20/08, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Verma leadership challenge? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 6:47 PM I watched Bevan THIS evening on the Maharishi Channel. He mentioned that everyone, including the Raja of India, had been taken BY SURPRISE by Verma's new Indian organization. There followed some contact and clarification with Verma which led to an announcement, on the Maharishi Channel, of the TMO's support for Verma - but at the same time, Bevan went out of his way to emphasize how MMY had DEFINITELY made King Nader the leader of the Movement. As an example he described how on January 12 2006 he had Nader sit in his seat in the Brahmanistan at MERU and had a new platform built for himself to the side. I imagine that this broadcast will be repeated. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you please give specific answers, claudiouk, to the following questions: You said: Just watching Bevan say leadership taken by surprise... Where did you see this, please? Do you have a link? How do you know Girish didn't consult Holland...citation, please. Which recent broadcasts did the TMO emphasize that Nader Raam is the chosen successor? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk claudiouk@ wrote: Clarification - as I understand it Verma, who basically dealt with the Indian side of the Movement, seems to have launched a new Indian initiative (to teach 1% of Indians and introduce other MMY projects, without consulting the Global Country of World Peace leaders (including the Indian Raja). They, in their turn, spent some time on recent webcasts highlighting the fact that MMY had made Maharaja Rader Ram the absolute leader of his Movement plus suggested contact was made to clarify this new Verma initiative and announced they were giving it their blessing after all. However there is a suggestion here that Verma sees himself as the main player in India - he is the one after all responsible for all the Indinan Maharishi schools and the Pandits programmes and the large groups in India in the Brahmanastan centre being constructed. So he has a lot of power locally and is Indian and I think is in fact a member of MMY's family as well. The fact that he launched what amounts to a separate organization without any consultation with the TMO leadership suggests he doesn't see himself as having to defer to them. They in turn seem to have given their blessing to his efforts officially, but privately must have experienced this development as a leadership challenge. At least that's how I interpret these developments. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk claudiouk@ wrote: Just watching Bevan say leadership taken by surprise by Verma's announcement of new organization for India and attempts to clarify it all plus lots of statements underlining MMY's annointment of Maharaja Nader Ram as the LEADER of his Movement as if to make a special point. A Brutus scenario unfolding? Could someone please clarify for me? claudiouk makes reference to Bevan say leadership taken by surprise...when and where did this happen...was it a press release...is there a video of Bevan saying this? Please let me know... -- -- - India Maharishi World Peace Movement aims to establish world peace Jabalpur | Thursday, Jul 17 2008 IST Maharishi World Peace Movement Chairman Brahmachari Girish Verma today said his objective was to establish world peace and make every citizen invincible through Vedic principles and experiments. ''The need of the hour is to take the place Movement to every human being and establish world peace for all time to come,'' he told reporters on the eve of Guru Purnima, when the Movement would be launched here. Pointing out that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi launched the World Peace Spiritual Re-awakening Movement five decades back and undertook constant tours to the nooks and crannies of the globe
