[FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/29/06 9:26:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At a particular point in time, Abraham Lincoln was the most hated man in America. When he abolished Slavery the population hated him with such intensity that the white people refused to come out and meet him. Please read my response in the context of that remark. I still have to agree more or less with Jason. Lincoln, was sending son's off to be killed by the tens of thousands to supposedly preserve the Union. When he announced the emancipation proclamation, the tide of the war had not yet turned in favor of the North and there were politicians that still hoped for a negotiated settlement and that, the emancipation proclamation, ruined it in many peoples eyes. Lincoln had a very hard time in the press and public opinion until Gettysburg. Between the battle of Gettysburg and the next election Lincoln got some breathing room and was able to get more public support. But the emancipation proclamation only gave him support from a minority of white abolitionists while others thought it only gave the South more resolve to fight on. Of course by the end of the war Lincoln was the hero and even Southerners looked upon him as the person to protect them from Northern politicians seeking revenge. ...and don't forget New York City and the riots that targeted African-Americans for death. See, I saw that dreadful Gangs of New York... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: snip I still have to agree more or less with Jason. Lincoln, was sending son's off to be killed by the tens of thousands to supposedly preserve the Union. When he announced the emancipation proclamation, the tide of the war had not yet turned in favor of the North and there were politicians that still hoped for a negotiated settlement and that, the emancipation proclamation, ruined it in many peoples eyes. Lincoln had a very hard time in the press and public opinion until Gettysburg. Between the battle of Gettysburg and the next election Lincoln got some breathing room and was able to get more public support. But the emancipation proclamation only gave him support from a minority of white abolitionists while others thought it only gave the South more resolve to fight on. Of course by the end of the war Lincoln was the hero and even Southerners looked upon him as the person to protect them from Northern politicians seeking revenge. ...and don't forget New York City and the riots that targeted African-Americans for death. See, I saw that dreadful Gangs of New York... For a more, uh, balanced view of the New York draft riots and support for the Emancipation Proclamation in that city, see: http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/317749.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TrueMajority is streaming Neil Young's new album, Living with War. You can also send a message to Congress telling them to require that the troops leave Iraq this year. I did it -- why don't you check it out? Here's the URL for the music and the action: http://action.truemajority.org/campaign/livingwithwar? rk=dd_pr0n1uRfSW Do you want them to leave Iraq and then go to Darfur? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TrueMajority is streaming Neil Young's new album, Living with War. You can also send a message to Congress telling them to require that the troops leave Iraq this year. I did it -- why don't you check it out? Here's the URL for the music and the action: http://action.truemajority.org/campaign/livingwithwar? rk=dd_pr0n1uRfSW Good for Neil. But isn't it sad in a way that it takes someone our age to sing the songs that the young should be singing... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: TrueMajority is streaming Neil Young's new album, Living with War. You can also send a message to Congress telling them to require that the troops leave Iraq this year. I did it -- why don't you check it out? Here's the URL for the music and the action: http://action.truemajority.org/campaign/livingwithwar? rk=dd_pr0n1uRfSW Good for Neil. But isn't it sad in a way that it takes someone our age to sing the songs that the young should be singing... Maybe they are smarter than their elders. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War
on 4/29/06 10:05 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TrueMajority is streaming Neil Young's new album, Living with War. You can also send a message to Congress telling them to require that the troops leave Iraq this year. I did it -- why don't you check it out? Here's the URL for the music and the action: http://action.truemajority.org/campaign/livingwithwar? rk=dd_pr0n1uRfSW Do you want them to leave Iraq and then go to Darfur? There's no oil there. Why in the world would we want to go? But actually, yes. I'd rather see billions spend on humanitarian issues than on bombing a country to smithereens after we've starved them (sanctions) for decades. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War
In a message dated 4/29/06 11:17:31 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But actually, yes. I'd rather see billions spend on humanitarian issues thanon bombing a country to smithereens after we've starved them (sanctions) fordecades. Do you think maybe those sanctions should have been lifted once Hans Blix came to the conclusion there were no WMD's in Iraq, assuming Bush had not invaded Iraq? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But actually, yes. I'd rather see billions spend on humanitarian issues than on bombing a country to smithereens after we've starved them (sanctions) for decades. Are you opposed to sanctions as a non- or less-violent alterntive to war? Or do you believe that Iraqi non-compliance with many UN sanctions were not worthy of international concern and action via the use of sanctions (instead of military action for 10 years)? Did you favor International sanctions of South Africa during apartheid? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: TrueMajority is streaming Neil Young's new album, Living with War. You can also send a message to Congress telling them to require that the troops leave Iraq this year. I did it -- why don't you check it out? Here's the URL for the music and the action: http://action.truemajority.org/campaign/livingwithwar? rk=dd_pr0n1uRfSW Good for Neil. But isn't it sad in a way that it takes someone our age to sing the songs that the young should be singing... How do you feel about U.S. military action in Darfur? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/29/06 10:05 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: TrueMajority is streaming Neil Young's new album, Living with War. You can also send a message to Congress telling them to require that the troops leave Iraq this year. I did it -- why don't you check it out? Here's the URL for the music and the action: http://action.truemajority.org/campaign/livingwithwar? rk=dd_pr0n1uRfSW Do you want them to leave Iraq and then go to Darfur? There's no oil there. Why in the world would we want to go? But actually, yes. I'd rather see billions spend on humanitarian issues than on bombing a country to smithereens after we've starved them (sanctions) for decades. So, if I understand your yes above correctly, you would like the U.S. troops to go to Darfur and use military action there? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/29/06 11:17:31 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But actually, yes. I'd rather see billions spend on humanitarian issues than on bombing a country to smithereens after we've starved them (sanctions) for decades. Do you think maybe those sanctions should have been lifted once Hans Blix came to the conclusion there were no WMD's in Iraq, assuming Bush had not invaded Iraq? >From what I read, the sanctions were easily bypassed by those with the money to do so, yet as imperfectly as they were enforced, perhaps that was the most effective way to contain such a regime. If in fact such containment was necessary for a second rate dictator, after we decimated his armed forces in 91. The LAST thing we should've done is declared war on Iraq. Very stupid, incompetent move. One of too many for Bush, a likeable guy in person no doubt, but aside from being a neocon's dream, has absolutely NO business as President...a real walking disaster. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War on 4/29/06 11:28 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/29/06 11:17:31 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But actually, yes. I'd rather see billions spend on humanitarian issues than on bombing a country to smithereens after we've starved them (sanctions) for decades. Do you think maybe those sanctions should have been lifted once Hans Blix came to the conclusion there were no WMD's in Iraq, assuming Bush had not invaded Iraq? I think they shouldnt have been imposed in the first place. But Im not a politician or a diplomat. I dont have great certainty about my opinions in these matters. I just dont feel the US behaves compassionately in many instances. If it it, it would win more respect and appreciation in the world. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War
I was reading somewhere, An old guy goes to a concert and at a particular number, he lights his Cigarette-Lighter and holds it up, then he turns around to see an entire young generation holding up their glowing Cell-phones.!! TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:01:41 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the WarGood for Neil. But isn't it sad in a way that ittakes someone our age to sing the songs that theyoung should be singing... Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War
on 4/29/06 12:16 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you want them to leave Iraq and then go to Darfur? There's no oil there. Why in the world would we want to go? But actually, yes. I'd rather see billions spend on humanitarian issues than on bombing a country to smithereens after we've starved them (sanctions) for decades. So, if I understand your yes above correctly, you would like the U.S. troops to go to Darfur and use military action there? Possibly, but I don't like playing arm chair politician. If I were in a position to totally immerse myself in these issues and had some influence on polity decisions, I might form an opinion very different than one I might shoot from the hip from my current perspective. In general though, I favor humanitarian over military action as an instrument of foreign policy. And in terms of the oil problem, I recommend we stop quibbling over insignificant resources such as The Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and spending hundreds of billions on wars to secure oil we may never lay hands on, and shift the whole paradigm to energy independence. If Bush had done that instead of pursuing this war, he might have been remembered as one of our greatest presidents, instead of our worst, as will probably be the case (see cover story in this month's Rolling Stone). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/29/06 12:16 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you want them to leave Iraq and then go to Darfur? There's no oil there. Why in the world would we want to go? But actually, yes. I'd rather see billions spend on humanitarian issues than on bombing a country to smithereens after we've starved them (sanctions) for decades. So, if I understand your yes above correctly, you would like the U.S. troops to go to Darfur and use military action there? Possibly, but I don't like playing arm chair politician. If I were in a position to totally immerse myself in these issues and had some influence on polity decisions, I might form an opinion very different than one I might shoot from the hip from my current perspective. In general though, I favor humanitarian over military action as an instrument of foreign policy. And in terms of the oil problem, I recommend we stop quibbling over insignificant resources such as The Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and spending hundreds of billions on wars to secure oil we may never lay hands on, and shift the whole paradigm to energy independence. If Bush had done that instead of pursuing this war, he might have been remembered as one of our greatest presidents, instead of our worst, as will probably be the case (see cover story in this month's Rolling Stone). Gee, is that the Rolling Stone cover story before or after their Britney Spears cover? Ya know, I don't think I depend on Rolling Stone for my political content... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War
on 4/29/06 1:06 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Bush had done that instead of pursuing this war, he might have been remembered as one of our greatest presidents, instead of our worst, as will probably be the case (see cover story in this month's Rolling Stone). Gee, is that the Rolling Stone cover story before or after their Britney Spears cover? Ya know, I don't think I depend on Rolling Stone for my political content... The article discusses the consensus of contemporary political historians. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War
At a particular point in time, Abraham Lincoln was the most hated man in America. When he abolished Slavery the population hated him with such intensity that the white people refused to come out and meet him. If in the future, Iraq becomes a prosperous democracy, the perspectives will change. Freedom comes often at the price of blood and nations should be willing to pay for it. WW2, Cold War, etc all came at the price of blood. Partition of india came at a heavy price of blood. 150,000 people were killed in the partition riots. A 100,000 women were raped during the Partition riots. Millions were uprooted from their homes and forced to go to the other side of the border. It was the biggest displacement exercise in History. Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 12:58:48 -0500Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the WarPossibly, but I don't like playing arm chair politician. If I were in aposition to totally immerse myself in these issues and had some influence on polity decisions, I might form an opinion very different than one I might shoot from the hip from my current perspective. In general though, I favor humanitarian over military action as an instrument of foreign policy. And in terms of the oil problem, I recommend we stop quibbling over insignificant resources such as The Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and spending hundreds of billions on wars to secure oil we may never lay hands on, and shift the whole paradigm to energy independence. If Bush had done that instead of pursuing this war, he might have been remembered as one of our greatest presidents, instead of our worst, as will probably be the case (see cover story in this month's Rolling Stone). Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At a particular point in time, Abraham Lincoln was the most hated man in America. When he abolished Slavery the population hated him with such intensity that the white people refused to come out and meet him. If in the future, Iraq becomes a prosperous democracy, the perspectives will change. Freedom comes often at the price of blood and nations should be willing to pay for it. WW2, Cold War, etc all came at the price of blood. snip You've got to be kidding me! Please sign up and let's hear about your reasoned ideals after six months in the infantry or so, if you last that long...oh wait...or did you mean other people's blood?? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War
Pal, I'm not kidding. A Soldiers duty is to fight for his Army. An Army's duty is to fight for it's country.Death is an occupational hazard. It comes with the territory. This is why they are well taken care of. If America had not faced up it's challenges in the past 250 years, What kind of world we would be living today.??? You will be speaking German and I might be dead in a Gas Chamber.??? Face the reality Pal. Nature is cruel at times. Nature is ruthless at times. I'll send you a private mail. It will give you a better prespective. jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 18:39:50 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the WarYou've got to be kidding me! Please sign up and let's hear about your reasoned ideals after six months in the infantry or so, if you last that long...oh wait...or did you mean other people's blood?? Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1/min. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pal, I'm not kidding. A Soldiers duty is to fight for his Army. An Army's duty is to fight for it's country. Death is an occupational hazard. It comes with the territory. This is why they are well taken care of. If America had not faced up it's challenges in the past 250 years, What kind of world we would be living today.??? You will be speaking German and I might be dead in a Gas Chamber.??? Face the reality Pal. Nature is cruel at times. Nature is ruthless at times. I'll send you a private mail. It will give you a better prespective. Please don't continue your correspondence by private email, Jason, because you're making more sense than 90% of the people here and they need to here what you have to say... jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 18:39:50 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War You've got to be kidding me! Please sign up and let's hear about your reasoned ideals after six months in the infantry or so, if you last that long...oh wait...or did you mean other people's blood?? - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1cent;/min. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War
Alright, Sir McGurk, Here is a web-page that will make a man or break a man. Proof of an impersonal Universe and impersonal Nature, http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ce/4/part2.htmlA very long article, Should be read very carefully... ShempMcGurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 19:10:53 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the WarPlease don't continue your correspondence by private email, Jason, because you're making more sense than 90% of the people here and they need to here what you have to say... Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/29/06 12:16 PM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ wrote: Do you want them to leave Iraq and then go to Darfur? There's no oil there. Why in the world would we want to go? But actually, yes. I'd rather see billions spend on humanitarian issues than on bombing a country to smithereens after we've starved them (sanctions) for decades. So, if I understand your yes above correctly, you would like the U.S. troops to go to Darfur and use military action there? Possibly, but I don't like playing arm chair politician. If I were in a position to totally immerse myself in these issues and had some influence on polity decisions, I might form an opinion very different than one I might shoot from the hip from my current perspective. In general though, I favor humanitarian over military action as an instrument of foreign policy. And in terms of the oil problem, I recommend we stop quibbling over insignificant resources such as The Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and spending hundreds of billions on wars to secure oil we may never lay hands on, and shift the whole paradigm to energy independence. If Bush had done that instead of pursuing this war, he might have been remembered as one of our greatest presidents, instead of our worst, as will probably be the case (see cover story in this month's Rolling Stone). Gee, is that the Rolling Stone cover story before or after their Britney Spears cover? Ya know, I don't think I depend on Rolling Stone for my political content... The more fool you. This was an important article by Sean Wilentz, a well-known Princeton historian who writes regularly on politics for Rolling Stone and other major publications. Also writes lots of books, including the recent Rise of American Democracy: Jefferson to Lincoln. But maybe you mean you don't read Rolling Stone for its political content because it leans sharply left, not because you ignorantly assume its political content must be fluff. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At a particular point in time, Abraham Lincoln was the most hated man in America. When he abolished Slavery the population hated him with such intensity that the white people refused to come out and meet him. That *some* white people refused to come out and meet him. He was a hero, even a saint, to a large portion of the population. Read about his funeral and the national mourning that took place after his assassination. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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At least that's what the commentator in the History Channel was trying to imply. You might be right on this one. Authfriend can help me out on this, I heard that, there are more jews living in New-York than in Israel.?? And over 40% percent of the restaurants in New-York are Kosher.?? authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 19:55:26 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the WarThat *some* white people refused to come out and meethim. He was a hero, even a saint, to a large portionof the population. Read about his funeral and thenational mourning that took place after hisassassination. How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@ wrote: At a particular point in time, Abraham Lincoln was the most hated man in America. When he abolished Slavery the population hated him with such intensity that the white people refused to come out and meet him. That *some* white people refused to come out and meet him. He was a hero, even a saint, to a large portion of the population. Read about his funeral and the national mourning that took place after his assassination. Are you suggesting this contradicts that at some points in his presidency, Abraham Lincoln was quite unpopular? Prior to the 1864 election, the war was not going well and Lincoln was low in popularity. There was serious talk of McClelland taking the Republican nomination. Then within months, Sherman took Atlanta, the war was soon after ended, and Lincoln's popularity surged. Within a few days he was shot. Of course there was huge outpouring for him -- particularly given the roller-coaster ride of events in those years -- 63-65. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 4/29/06 12:15:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Good for Neil. But isn't it sad in a way that it takes someone our age to sing the songs that the young should be singing...How do you feel about U.S. military action in Darfur? Well, I guess if there is no strategic reason or oil in Darfur it's OK. No seriously, let Europe handle this one. Lets see if the French foreign legion is all it's cracked up to be. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@ wrote: Pal, I'm not kidding. A Soldiers duty is to fight for his Army. An Army's duty is to fight for it's country. Death is an occupational hazard. It comes with the territory. This is why they are well taken care of. If America had not faced up it's challenges in the past 250 years, What kind of world we would be living today.??? You will be speaking German and I might be dead in a Gas Chamber.??? Face the reality Pal. OK, its 2006, not 1945... Nature is cruel at times. Nature is ruthless at times. Nature is always absolutely fair, and perfectly balanced. No more armchair generals, please. If you feel war is a viable alternative today, sign up now, and start killing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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This one can be very dangerous. Sudan's Geo-Strategic location is such that it can make both the Gulf-War and the current Iraq-war look like a Picnic. A potential Vietnam. The huge desert, the temperatures in day-time rise up to 55 degrees celsius. Sandy terrain with dust-storms billowing all over. Equipment break-down, dehydration of soldiers. The scale of operation might have to be 6 times bigger that Gulf-War. Atleast 500,000 troups on the ground. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:42:04 EDTSubject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the WarWell, I guess if there is no strategic reason or oil in Darfur it's OK. No seriously, let Europe handle this one. Lets see if the French foreign legion is all it's cracked up to be. How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@ wrote: At a particular point in time, Abraham Lincoln was the most hated man in America. When he abolished Slavery the population hated him with such intensity that the white people refused to come out and meet him. That *some* white people refused to come out and meet him. He was a hero, even a saint, to a large portion of the population. Read about his funeral and the national mourning that took place after his assassination. Are you suggesting this contradicts that at some points in his presidency, Abraham Lincoln was quite unpopular? No. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 4/29/06 12:26:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you think maybe those sanctions should have been lifted once Hans Blix came to the conclusion there were no WMD's in Iraq, assuming Bush had not invaded Iraq?From what I read, the sanctions were easily bypassed by those with the money to do so, yet as imperfectly as they were enforced, perhaps that was the most effective way to contain such a regime. If in fact such containment was necessary for a second rate dictator, after we decimated his armed forces in 91. According to the Dueffler report on Iraq, while they didn't find any WMD's there, Saddam was very capable of reconstituting his WMD programs easily and was more dangerous than ever because he was hell bent on getting the sanctions lifted against Iraq. The fact that the sanctions were easily bypassed and were to many a joke, was all the more reason why Saddam's allies could have been manipulated to lift them all together, "for the sake of the children". Also for the sake of paying off those enormous debts to Russia and France. Could you imagine what Saddam would be doing right now had sanctions been lifted and his neighbor Iran was off to the races on building nukes? Do you think he would not feel justified in doing the same, this time in the name of self defense? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War
I'm not a War-Monger. War should always be a last resort. All I am saying is that Bush.jr chose the wrong time to go to war. It's not a good idea to open too many fronts at a time. About Nature, Don't take it literaly. It was just a figurative _expression_. The point is that the suffering and misery of iraqi people has to be ended. How would you feel if your children were thrown into Meat cleaving machines in front of your eyes.? That's what happened to political opponents of Saddam. Do you know what Saddam did to old Baath party members whe he took full control in 1980.? Do you know that Uday Hussain and Quasay Hussain picked any girls they fancied walking on the streets, took them to GuestHouses, raped them and the took them to the Baghdad Zoo and threw them to the Lions and smoked Cigars as the girls screamed on being torn apart by the Lions.?? Do you know that Iraq is the only country in the world in which Professional rapists were employed by the Saddam regime.?? Their only job is to rape.!! The word "Torture" lost all meaning in iraq, when eyes, ears and tongues were routinely pulled out of prisoners. Bush.jr intentions were good. The timing was wrong. But bringing democracy to middle-east is necessary. The politics of the Cold-War made it impossible then. But now dictatorships cannot be tolerated. jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 20:57:46 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the WarOK, its 2006, not 1945... Nature is always absolutely fair, and perfectly balanced. No more armchair generals, please. If you feel war is a viable alternative today, sign up now, and start killing. New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 4/29/06 2:56:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That *some* white people refused to come out and meethim. He was a hero, even a saint, to a large portionof the population. Read about his funeral and thenational mourning that took place after hisassassination. Judy, Lincoln only became a hero once the War was over or at best when there was light at the end of the tunnel, that the war would soon end with a Union victory. Until then, the press gave him hell and even one of the most beloved northerngenerals, McClellan ran for president against him. Lincoln did not have an easy time. Victory changes every thing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not a War-Monger. War should always be a last resort. All I am saying is that Bush.jr chose the wrong time to go to war. It's not a good idea to open too many fronts at a time. About Nature, Don't take it literaly. It was just a figurative _expression_. The point is that the suffering and misery of iraqi people has to be ended. How would you feel if your children were thrown into Meat cleaving machines in front of your eyes.? That's what happened to political opponents of Saddam. Do you know what Saddam did to old Baath party members whe he took full control in 1980.? Do you know that Uday Hussain and Quasay Hussain picked any girls they fancied walking on the streets, took them to GuestHouses, raped them and the took them to the Baghdad Zoo and threw them to the Lions and smoked Cigars as the girls screamed on being torn apart by the Lions.?? Do you know that Iraq is the only country in the world in which Professional rapists were employed by the Saddam regime.?? Their only job is to rape.!! The word Torture lost all meaning in iraq, when eyes, ears and tongues were routinely pulled out of prisoners. Bush.jr intentions were good. The timing was wrong. But bringing democracy to middle-east is necessary. The politics of the Cold-War made it impossible then. But now dictatorships cannot be tolerated. You should read up on the practices of our good good friends and buddies, the communist Chinese (US trade deficit for 2005: $200B). Then you may rethink why we are in Iraq, and not China. Every country at war vilifies its enemies to justify killing them. It also conveniently overlooks the atrocities of countries that it needs as strategic allies. So, great story you have going about the reason we invaded Iraq. The thing is, it isn't true. Oh well. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/29/06 12:16 PM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ wrote: Do you want them to leave Iraq and then go to Darfur? There's no oil there. Why in the world would we want to go? But actually, yes. I'd rather see billions spend on humanitarian issues than on bombing a country to smithereens after we've starved them (sanctions) for decades. So, if I understand your yes above correctly, you would like the U.S. troops to go to Darfur and use military action there? Possibly, but I don't like playing arm chair politician. If I were in a position to totally immerse myself in these issues and had some influence on polity decisions, I might form an opinion very different than one I might shoot from the hip from my current perspective. In general though, I favor humanitarian over military action as an instrument of foreign policy. And in terms of the oil problem, I recommend we stop quibbling over insignificant resources such as The Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and spending hundreds of billions on wars to secure oil we may never lay hands on, and shift the whole paradigm to energy independence. If Bush had done that instead of pursuing this war, he might have been remembered as one of our greatest presidents, instead of our worst, as will probably be the case (see cover story in this month's Rolling Stone). Gee, is that the Rolling Stone cover story before or after their Britney Spears cover? Ya know, I don't think I depend on Rolling Stone for my political content... The more fool you. This was an important article by Sean Wilentz, a well-known Princeton historian who writes regularly on politics for Rolling Stone and other major publications. Also writes lots of books, including the recent Rise of American Democracy: Jefferson to Lincoln. But maybe you mean you don't read Rolling Stone for its political content because it leans sharply left, not because you ignorantly assume its political content must be fluff. Is there a difference? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War
I can assure you it's true. They are not our friends. They are Bill Clinton's friends. Clinton sold them missile nose-cones that improve the accuracy of missiles by more than 600% percent.!! Clinton also took bribes from Chinese government for his campaign funds. While the Chinese were building up the trade imbalance, Clinton was busy with his nose-cone with Monica. Don't blame Bush.jr for all this. Bush is going to come down hard on China for not free-floating their yuan currency and abuse of human rights. jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 21:43:59 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the WarYou should read up on the practices of our good good friends and buddies, the communist Chinese (US trade deficit for 2005: $200B). Then you may rethink why we are in Iraq, and not China. Every country at war vilifies its enemies to justify killing them. It also conveniently overlooks the atrocities of countries that it needs as strategic allies. So, great story you have going about the reason we invaded Iraq. The thing is, it isn't true. Oh well. Yahoo! Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At least that's what the commentator in the History Channel was trying to imply. You might be right on this one. Authfriend can help me out on this, I heard that, there are more jews living in New-York than in Israel.?? At one time that statistic was true; whether it is anymore, not sure. And over 40% percent of the restaurants in New-York are Kosher.?? I'd say less than 2%. But if you're in a certain section of Brooklyn, it's probably 100%. authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 19:55:26 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War That *some* white people refused to come out and meet him. He was a hero, even a saint, to a large portion of the population. Read about his funeral and the national mourning that took place after his assassination. - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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To Jason Spock. You are a war monger if you support this moron in the White House. To bring up what SH did does not justify this war criminal currently occupying the White House going to war with Iraq. You need to start listening to DemocracyNow. org for instance and get a better handle on what this fool and his cohorts are doing. From: jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 21:43:59 - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not a War-Monger. War should always be a last resort. All I am saying is that Bush.jr chose the wrong time to go to war. It's not a good idea to open too many fronts at a time. About Nature, Don't take it literaly. It was just a figurative _expression_. The point is that the suffering and misery of iraqi people has to be ended. How would you feel if your children were thrown into Meat cleaving machines in front of your eyes.? That's what happened to political opponents of Saddam. Do you know what Saddam did to old Baath party members whe he took full control in 1980.? Do you know that Uday Hussain and Quasay Hussain picked any girls they fancied walking on the streets, took them to GuestHouses, raped them and the took them to the Baghdad Zoo and threw them to the Lions and smoked Cigars as the girls screamed on being torn apart by the Lions.?? Do you know that Iraq is the only country in the world in which Professional rapists were employed by the Saddam regime.?? Their only job is to rape.!! The word Torture lost all meaning in iraq, when eyes, ears and tongues were routinely pulled out of prisoners. Bush.jr intentions were good. The timing was wrong. But bringing democracy to middle-east is necessary. The politics of the Cold-War made it impossible then. But now dictatorships cannot be tolerated. You should read up on the practices of our good good friends and buddies, the communist Chinese (US trade deficit for 2005: $200B). Then you may rethink why we are in Iraq, and not China. Every country at war vilifies its enemies to justify killing them. It also conveniently overlooks the atrocities of countries that it needs as strategic allies. So, great story you have going about the reason we invaded Iraq. The thing is, it isn't true. Oh well. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can assure you it's true. They are not our friends. They are Bill Clinton's friends. Clinton sold them missile nose-cones that improve the accuracy of missiles by more than 600% percent.!! Clinton also took bribes from Chinese government for his campaign funds. While the Chinese were building up the trade imbalance, Clinton was busy with his nose-cone with Monica. Nose-cone? Don't blame Bush.jr for all this. Bush is going to come down hard on China for not free-floating their yuan currency and abuse of human rights. jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 21:43:59 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War You should read up on the practices of our good good friends and buddies, the communist Chinese (US trade deficit for 2005: $200B). Then you may rethink why we are in Iraq, and not China. Every country at war vilifies its enemies to justify killing them. It also conveniently overlooks the atrocities of countries that it needs as strategic allies. So, great story you have going about the reason we invaded Iraq. The thing is, it isn't true. Oh well. - Yahoo! Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War
Thanks Sri. Sumner.I'll look into it.I don't support Bush 100% percent. I didn't support his Social security policies. What I meant is that on principle, we shouldgoand help suffering and suppressed people. America came to the help of Europe and Asia in the WW2. Even today those principles dont change. Bush goofed-up on the WMD issue. But, remember, Dictatorships are manifestation of 20th century cold-war politics. They have no place in the post cold-war 21st century. We must stand with the Pro-democratic dissidents all over the world. Anthony Sumner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 17:04:59 -0500Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War To Jason Spock. You are a war monger if you support this moron in the White House. To bring up what SH did does not justify this war criminal currently occupying the White House going to war with Iraq. You need to start listening to DemocracyNow. org for instance and get a better handle on what this fool and his cohorts are doing. Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel in one click on Yahoo! FareChase To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can assure you it's true. I don't dispute Saddam Hussein's atrocities. I also maintain my assertion that they are being conveniently brought to light to justify the US military action and killing. Just as those of the Chinese are being conveniently ignored. They are not our friends. They are Bill Clinton's friends. Clinton sold them missile nose-cones that improve the accuracy of missiles by more than 600% percent.!! Clinton also took bribes from Chinese government for his campaign funds. Oops, I forgot, you enjoy living in the political past-- well then wouldn't it be most accurate to say all of this friendliness with the Chinese is actually...Nixon's fault, for resuming diplomatic relations with them in 71? While the Chinese were building up the trade imbalance, Clinton was busy with his nose-cone with Monica. Don't blame Bush.jr for all this. Bush is going to come down hard on China for not free-floating their yuan currency and abuse of human rights. When? He just had his chance a week ago with the Chinese premier and said nothing, zip. You are indulging your story again... jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 21:43:59 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War You should read up on the practices of our good good friends and buddies, the communist Chinese (US trade deficit for 2005: $200B). Then you may rethink why we are in Iraq, and not China. Every country at war vilifies its enemies to justify killing them. It also conveniently overlooks the atrocities of countries that it needs as strategic allies. So, great story you have going about the reason we invaded Iraq. The thing is, it isn't true. Oh well. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Sri. Sumner. I'll look into it. I don't support Bush 100% percent. I didn't support his Social security policies. What I meant is that on principle, we should go and help suffering and suppressed people. America came to the help of Europe and Asia in the WW2. Even today those principles dont change. Bush goofed-up on the WMD issue. But, remember, Dictatorships are manifestation of 20th century cold-war politics. They have no place in the post cold-war 21st century. We must stand with the Pro-democratic dissidents all over the world. Not to sound like a broken record, but how many democratic elections has China held in the last 60 years? Just trying to point out the hypocrisy in this latest 'story' from Bush and Co. Wake up, Jason. You are being m-a-n-i-p-u-l-a-t-e-d. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/29/06 2:56:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That *some* white people refused to come out and meet him. He was a hero, even a saint, to a large portion of the population. Read about his funeral and the national mourning that took place after his assassination. Judy, Lincoln only became a hero once the War was over or at best when there was light at the end of the tunnel, that the war would soon end with a Union victory. Until then, the press gave him hell and even one of the most beloved northern generals, McClellan ran for president against him. Lincoln did not have an easy time. Victory changes every thing. The claim (which you snipped) was that all white people in the U.S. hated him because of the Emancipation Proclamation. That was not the case, of course. There was a very strong abolitionist movement and a lot of antislavery sentiment, and those people were ecstatic at the Proclamation. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No more armchair generals, please. If you feel war is a viable alternative today, sign up now, and start killing. Do you hold the same principle for all policy? If so it could imply that: -- one stop talking about the high price of oil and take direct action to fight oil prices -- perhaps selling ones car and taking the bus, applying one warm room policy, buy ultra-high efficiency refigerator, use no tv or pcscreens greater than 10, no stereos/ ipods only, no plane travel, etc. Non as extreme as quiting their job, leaving their family and taking up arms. -- one stop talking about getting bush out the white house but working full time 24x7 to do so. That may seem extreme, what about my job and family? It appears the same applies to one who holds a non-pacifist view -- per your recommended policy above: they must quit their job, leave their family and take up arms in the theatre of conflict. While I am not arguing for or against your pacifist position and associated policy, I don't see some special exception for this one policy. Thus it appears per your position all policies one holds should have equal dedicated follow through. Or is there an implicit exception for non-pacifism that I am missing. should To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War
If I remember correctly, Bush.jr did make a point in his meeting with the Chinese premier on democracy. The priorities of the cold war made Nixon resume diplomatic ties with China. Something had to be done to counter Soviet-Union, that was the first priority. But, it was really Henry kissinger's idea. He feigned illness in Pakistan and a handwritten note from Yahaya khan in pakistan to Zhou EnLai was taken by Kissinger to China. But, remember, Nixon was undecided till the very last moment, to choose between India and China.During achat between Zhou EnLai and Nixon, EnLai asked Nixon, "Have you read Nehru's book 'discovery of india"? Kissinger sensed that Nixon had not read that book. So he immediately butted in, "He was thinking of a great indian empire.!!!" Immediately EnLai also butted in and said, "Yes Yes, He was thinking of an great indian empire from Malayasia to Ceylon to Afghanistan and it would probably include our tibet as well." Nixon tilted towards China. But the whole project was Kissinger's doing. jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 22:25:38 -0000Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the WarI don't dispute Saddam Hussein's atrocities. I also maintain my assertion that they are being conveniently brought to light to justify the US military action and killing. Just as those of the Chinese are being conveniently ignored. Oops, I forgot, you enjoy living in the political past-- well then wouldn't it be most accurate to say all of this friendliness with the Chinese is actually...Nixon's fault, for resuming diplomatic relations with them in 71?When? He just had his chance a week ago with the Chinese premier and said nothing, zip. You are indulging your story again... Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1/min. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I remember correctly, Bush.jr did make a point in his meeting with the Chinese premier on democracy. The priorities of the cold war made Nixon resume diplomatic ties with China. Something had to be done to counter Soviet-Union, that was the first priority. But, it was really Henry kissinger's idea. He feigned illness in Pakistan and a handwritten note from Yahaya khan in pakistan to Zhou EnLai was taken by Kissinger to China. But, remember, Nixon was undecided till the very last moment, to choose between India and China. During a chat between Zhou EnLai and Nixon, EnLai asked Nixon, Have you read Nehru's book 'discovery of india? Kissinger sensed that Nixon had not read that book. So he immediately butted in, He was thinking of a great indian empire.!!! Immediately EnLai also butted in and said, Yes Yes, He was thinking of an great indian empire from Malayasia to Ceylon to Afghanistan and it would probably include our tibet as well. Nixon tilted towards China. But the whole project was Kissinger's doing. Typical Jew! Probably got it wholesale! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: No more armchair generals, please. If you feel war is a viable alternative today, sign up now, and start killing. Do you hold the same principle for all policy? No, just the advocacy of war as a valid instrument of foreign policy. If so it could imply that: -- one stop talking about the high price of oil and take direct action to fight oil prices -- perhaps selling ones car and taking the bus, applying one warm room policy, buy ultra-high efficiency refigerator, use no tv or pcscreens greater than 10, no stereos/ ipods only, no plane travel, etc. Non as extreme as quiting their job, leaving their family and taking up arms. -- one stop talking about getting bush out the white house but working full time 24x7 to do so. That may seem extreme, what about my job and family? It appears the same applies to one who holds a non- pacifist view -- per your recommended policy above: they must quit their job, leave their family and take up arms in the theatre of conflict. While I am not arguing for or against your pacifist position and associated policy, I don't see some special exception for this one policy. Thus it appears per your position all policies one holds should have equal dedicated follow through. Or is there an implicit exception for non-pacifism that I am missing. The most effective way to bring about real change in our lives and in the world is to know our Selves. Align with Nature. Live the Dharma. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War
In a message dated 4/29/06 5:29:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That *some* white people refused to come out and meet him. He was a hero, even a saint, to a large portion of the population. Read about his funeral and the national mourning that took place after his assassination. Judy, Lincoln only became a hero once the War was over or at best when there was light at the end of the tunnel, that the war would soon end with a Union victory. Until then, the press gave him hell and even one of the most beloved northern generals, McClellan ran for president against him. Lincoln did not have an easy time. Victory changes every thing.The claim (which you snipped) was that all white peoplein the U.S. hated him because of the EmancipationProclamation. That was not the case, of course. Therewas a very strong abolitionist movement and a lot ofantislavery sentiment, and those people were ecstaticat the Proclamation. Judy I don't recall ever saying anything about *all* white people hating Lincoln because of his emancipation proclamation. It was not a popular move in the North with the exception of the abolitionists. People in the north only feared that move would make the south even more resolved in their decision to ceased. Almost nobody was sending their sons off to fight and die for the freedom of slaves, butrather to fight and die to preserve the union.The abolitionist movement was not that big, but it was very vocal. Kind of like the gay rights movement in the democratic party today. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/29/06 5:29:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That *some* white people refused to come out and meet him. He was a hero, even a saint, to a large portion of the population. Read about his funeral and the national mourning that took place after his assassination. Judy, Lincoln only became a hero once the War was over or at best when there was light at the end of the tunnel, that the war would soon end with a Union victory. Until then, the press gave him hell and even one of the most beloved northern generals, McClellan ran for president against him. Lincoln did not have an easy time. Victory changes every thing. The claim (which you snipped) was that all white people in the U.S. hated him because of the Emancipation Proclamation. That was not the case, of course. There was a very strong abolitionist movement and a lot of antislavery sentiment, and those people were ecstatic at the Proclamation. Judy I don't recall ever saying anything about *all* white people hating Lincoln because of his emancipation proclamation. I didn't say it was you. I was responding to Jason, who had written: At a particular point in time, Abraham Lincoln was the most hated man in America. When he abolished Slavery the population hated him with such intensity that the white people refused to come out and meet him. Please read my response in the context of that remark. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 4/29/06 9:26:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "At a particular point in time, Abraham Lincoln was themost hated man in America. When he abolished Slavery the populationhated him with such intensity that the white people refused to come out and meet him."Please read my response in the context of that remark. I still have to agree more or less with Jason. Lincoln, was sending son's off to be killed by the tens of thousands to supposedly preserve the Union. When he announced the emancipation proclamation, the tide of the war had not yet turned in favor of the North and there were politicians that still hoped for a negotiated settlement and that, the emancipation proclamation,ruined it in many peoples eyes. Lincoln had a very hard time in the press and public opinion until Gettysburg. Between the battle of Gettysburg and the next election Lincoln got some breathing room and was able to get more public support. But the emancipation proclamation only gave him support from a minority of white abolitionists while others thought it only gave the South more resolve to fight on. Of course by the end of the war Lincoln was the hero and even Southerners looked upon him as the person to protect them from Northern politicians seeking revenge. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/29/06 9:26:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At a particular point in time, Abraham Lincoln was the most hated man in America. When he abolished Slavery the population hated him with such intensity that the white people refused to come out and meet him. Please read my response in the context of that remark. I still have to agree more or less with Jason. Lincoln, was sending son's off to be killed by the tens of thousands to supposedly preserve the Union. When he announced the emancipation proclamation, the tide of the war had not yet turned in favor of the North and there were politicians that still hoped for a negotiated settlement and that, the emancipation proclamation, ruined it in many peoples eyes. Lincoln had a very hard time in the press and public opinion until Gettysburg. Between the battle of Gettysburg and the next election Lincoln got some breathing room and was able to get more public support. But the emancipation proclamation only gave him support from a minority of white abolitionists while others thought it only gave the South more resolve to fight on. Of course by the end of the war Lincoln was the hero and even Southerners looked upon him as the person to protect them from Northern politicians seeking revenge. OK, you obviously know a lot about the period. I just thought Jason's remark was way too absolute, as if Lincoln had no supporters at all, which really wasn't the case. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 4/29/06 11:11:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK, you obviously know a lot about the period. Ijust thought Jason's remark was way too absolute, asif Lincoln had no supporters at all, which reallywasn't the case. I normally don't go along with absolutes either. Lincoln had a hardcore following that was small. But he sure took a lot of heat from everybody else until victory was in sight. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hear Neil Young, Help Stop the War
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/29/06 11:11:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK, you obviously know a lot about the period. I just thought Jason's remark was way too absolute, as if Lincoln had no supporters at all, which really wasn't the case. I normally don't go along with absolutes either. Lincoln had a hardcore following that was small. But he sure took a lot of heat from everybody else until victory was in sight. Extraordinary human being. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
