[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "Carmas" are irrelevant. As I said, he wasn't talking > > > > > > about cause and effect or who was to blame; in fact, he > > > > > > was saying it didn't matter. He was taking responsibility > > > > > > for what had happened under his leadership *regardless* of > > > > > > who was to blame, which is actually the *mature* thing to do. > > > > > > > > > > Oh, my. How could he take responsebility for other people > > > > > carmas ? Don't you see that's impossible ? What he said is > > > > > just silly politicts. > > > > > > > > You really aren't getting it, are you? > > > > > > > And you do? Swallowing everything they shove down your throat > > > there in FF? What a joke. I feel sorry for you. > > > > You've just joined us, I gather, and haven't read > > many of my or Nablus's posts. Nor, it appears, have > > you even read the exchange you're commenting on. > > > > Probably best to, you know, bone up a little on things > > before you expostulate. It'll save you embarrassment. > > > No Missy, I've been reading your posts in FFL for quite some > time. My comment wasn't directed to your and Nablus's little > skirmish over Carter and "the buck". It was directed at you, > since this was the umpteenth time I had read one of your self > important pontifications from on high (horse). I disliked > your type when I was around MMY and I dislike it now. Well, fine, but, you see, I don't live in Fairfield, I'm hardly a True Believer, and I'm having this skirmish over Carter and "the buck" with someone who *is* a True Believer. And the skirmish doesn't have anything to do with TM or MMY or the TMO in any case. I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here, assuming your errors were due to your not having been around long enough to have filled out your player scorecard. But I see now you have no such excuse. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > > > > > "Carmas" are irrelevant. As I said, he wasn't talking > > > > > about cause and effect or who was to blame; in fact, he > > > > > was saying it didn't matter. He was taking responsibility > > > > > for what had happened under his leadership *regardless* of > > > > > who was to blame, which is actually the *mature* thing to do. > > > > > > > > Oh, my. How could he take responsebility for other people > > > > carmas ? Don't you see that's impossible ? What he said is > > > > just silly politicts. > > > > > > You really aren't getting it, are you? > > > > > And you do? Swallowing everything they shove down your throat > > there in FF? What a joke. I feel sorry for you. > > You've just joined us, I gather, and haven't read > many of my or Nablus's posts. Nor, it appears, have > you even read the exchange you're commenting on. > > Probably best to, you know, bone up a little on things > before you expostulate. It'll save you embarrassment. > No Missy, I've been reading your posts in FFL for quite some time. My comment wasn't directed to your and Nablus's little skirmish over Carter and "the buck". It was directed at you, since this was the umpteenth time I had read one of your self important pontifications from on high (horse). I disliked your type when I was around MMY and I dislike it now. Have a swell day. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > "Carmas" are irrelevant. As I said, he wasn't talking > > > > about cause and effect or who was to blame; in fact, he > > > > was saying it didn't matter. He was taking responsibility > > > > for what had happened under his leadership *regardless* of > > > > who was to blame, which is actually the *mature* thing to do. > > > > > > Oh, my. How could he take responsebility for other people > > > carmas ? Don't you see that's impossible ? What he said is > > > just silly politicts. > > > > You really aren't getting it, are you? > > > And you do? Swallowing everything they shove down your throat > there in FF? What a joke. I feel sorry for you. You've just joined us, I gather, and haven't read many of my or Nablus's posts. Nor, it appears, have you even read the exchange you're commenting on. Probably best to, you know, bone up a little on things before you expostulate. It'll save you embarrassment. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > on 8/18/06 4:14 AM, hugheshugo at richardhughes103@ wrote: > > > > > > I personally think Kaplan shoots himself in the foot with his > talk of > > > enlightened children (how does he know?)and psychics (surely the > > > biggest frauds out there!) If he's that credulous perhaps it's no > > > wonder he handed over so much of his hard-earned without asking > where > > > it was going. > > > > > Earl told me that letter was leaked prematurely. He would have > cleaned it up > > a lot before releasing it intentionally. > > > I wonder how that happens. > > If a writer is working on a text and he is going through drafts, it > usually doesn't go past his own computer. > > That is, unless he was having a friend or colleague or employee take > a look at it for opinions and feedback. Unless Kaplan was > circulating the letter widely for feedback (and then it leaves it to > an Act of God whether it goes public at that point), then it would > have stayed within a controlled, close circle. > > And if it was leaked prematurely and it was me who it happened to, > then the shit would fly. I would find out who did it and either > fire their ass or find a new friend. > It sounds like a damage limitation exercise to me. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > "Carmas" are irrelevant. As I said, he wasn't talking > > > about cause and effect or who was to blame; in fact, he > > > was saying it didn't matter. He was taking responsibility > > > for what had happened under his leadership *regardless* of > > > who was to blame, which is actually the *mature* thing to do. > > > > Oh, my. How could he take responsebility for other people carmas ? > > Don't you see that's impossible ? What he said is just silly > > politicts. > > You really aren't getting it, are you? > And you do? Swallowing everything they shove down your throat there in FF? What a joke. I feel sorry for you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > "Carmas" are irrelevant. As I said, he wasn't talking > > about cause and effect or who was to blame; in fact, he > > was saying it didn't matter. He was taking responsibility > > for what had happened under his leadership *regardless* of > > who was to blame, which is actually the *mature* thing to do. > > Oh, my. How could he take responsebility for other people carmas ? > Don't you see that's impossible ? What he said is just silly > politicts. You really aren't getting it, are you? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > As much as I detest Jimmy Carter, I respect him for what > he > > > > said > > > > > > > after that botched attempt by the U.S. military to rescue > > the > > > > > > > hostages in Iran. He said: I take full responsibility > for > > > > this. > > > > > > > the buck stops here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you really believe that these people, including that > > > christian > > > > > > fundamentalist peanutfarmer Carter knows the detailed > working > > > of > > > > > > cause and effect ? To hear that fellow say " the buck stops > > > here" > > > > > > just makes me laugh. > > > > > > > > > > What are you talking about? "The buck stops here" > > > > > says nothing about cause and effect. > > > > > > > > Yes it does. > > > > > > No, it doesn't. > > > > > > > Your president had no clue whatsoever about what caused > > > > what. > > > > > > Nor did he say anything about what caused what. > > > > > > > To claim responsebility for a chain of events out of his > > > > control is childish and immature, and sadly; very american. > > > > > > You don't understand what "responsibility" means in > > > this context. It doesn't mean "It was my fault, I > > > caused it." It means, "I'm not going to try to blame > > > others for what happened on my watch." > > > > > > > Probably what the world awaits is an american President of some > > > > stature. Not that we have really high hopes. > > > > > > "The buck stops here" is the highest stature > > > there is for a leader. > > > > I respect that. But it does not mean that Carter had a clue of what > > carmas was being manifested at the time - the reason I labeled > > it "immature". > > "Carmas" are irrelevant. As I said, he wasn't talking > about cause and effect or who was to blame; in fact, he > was saying it didn't matter. He was taking responsibility > for what had happened under his leadership *regardless* of > who was to blame, which is actually the *mature* thing to do. Oh, my. How could he take responsebility for other people carmas ? Don't you see that's impossible ? What he said is just silly politicts. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > As much as I detest Jimmy Carter, I respect him for what he > > > said > > > > > > after that botched attempt by the U.S. military to rescue > the > > > > > > hostages in Iran. He said: I take full responsibility for > > > this. > > > > > > the buck stops here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you really believe that these people, including that > > christian > > > > > fundamentalist peanutfarmer Carter knows the detailed working > > of > > > > > cause and effect ? To hear that fellow say " the buck stops > > here" > > > > > just makes me laugh. > > > > > > > > What are you talking about? "The buck stops here" > > > > says nothing about cause and effect. > > > > > > Yes it does. > > > > No, it doesn't. > > > > > Your president had no clue whatsoever about what caused > > > what. > > > > Nor did he say anything about what caused what. > > > > > To claim responsebility for a chain of events out of his > > > control is childish and immature, and sadly; very american. > > > > You don't understand what "responsibility" means in > > this context. It doesn't mean "It was my fault, I > > caused it." It means, "I'm not going to try to blame > > others for what happened on my watch." > > > > > Probably what the world awaits is an american President of some > > > stature. Not that we have really high hopes. > > > > "The buck stops here" is the highest stature > > there is for a leader. > > I respect that. But it does not mean that Carter had a clue of what > carmas was being manifested at the time - the reason I labeled > it "immature". "Carmas" are irrelevant. As I said, he wasn't talking about cause and effect or who was to blame; in fact, he was saying it didn't matter. He was taking responsibility for what had happened under his leadership *regardless* of who was to blame, which is actually the *mature* thing to do. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > As much as I detest Jimmy Carter, I respect him for what he > > said > > > > > after that botched attempt by the U.S. military to rescue the > > > > > hostages in Iran. He said: I take full responsibility for > > this. > > > > > the buck stops here. > > > > > > > > > > > So you really believe that these people, including that > christian > > > > fundamentalist peanutfarmer Carter knows the detailed working > of > > > > cause and effect ? To hear that fellow say " the buck stops > here" > > > > just makes me laugh. > > > > > > What are you talking about? "The buck stops here" > > > says nothing about cause and effect. > > > > Yes it does. > > No, it doesn't. > > > Your president had no clue whatsoever about what caused > > what. > > Nor did he say anything about what caused what. > > > To claim responsebility for a chain of events out of his > > control is childish and immature, and sadly; very american. > > You don't understand what "responsibility" means in > this context. It doesn't mean "It was my fault, I > caused it." It means, "I'm not going to try to blame > others for what happened on my watch." > > > Probably what the world awaits is an american President of some > > stature. Not that we have really high hopes. > > "The buck stops here" is the highest stature > there is for a leader. I respect that. But it does not mean that Carter had a clue of what carmas was being manifested at the time - the reason I labeled it "immature". To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > > > on 8/18/06 8:18 AM, nablus108 at nablus108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Someone posted a while back that Kaplan regrets writing the > letter. > > > > Apparently he complained to Amma about Maharishi had taken all > of > > > > his money whereupon she scolded him and said it happened > because he > > > > was so attached to money. Anyone knows the details of that > story ? > > > > > > > As I heard the story (and I could get it first hand from someone > who was > > > there if you wish) she consoled him because he was feeling ripped > > off. She > > > said that regardless of how the money was used (i.e., > > misappropriated) he > > > would reap good karma from the sincerity of his intention when > > giving it. > > > > > That's quite a contrast to the way that story was reported here. > > It certainly sounds more credible. > > > > I remember the story being told that Amma chastised Earl for being > negative about a guru. > > Was that not a correct telling of the story? > > > > > > > > > JohnY > > > There is quite a difference between consoling because of good intent and chastising for negativity. The spin makes all the difference. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > As much as I detest Jimmy Carter, I respect him for what he > said > > > > after that botched attempt by the U.S. military to rescue the > > > > hostages in Iran. He said: I take full responsibility for > this. > > > > the buck stops here. > > > > > > > > So you really believe that these people, including that christian > > > fundamentalist peanutfarmer Carter knows the detailed working of > > > cause and effect ? To hear that fellow say " the buck stops here" > > > just makes me laugh. > > > > What are you talking about? "The buck stops here" > > says nothing about cause and effect. > > Yes it does. No, it doesn't. > Your president had no clue whatsoever about what caused > what. Nor did he say anything about what caused what. > To claim responsebility for a chain of events out of his > control is childish and immature, and sadly; very american. You don't understand what "responsibility" means in this context. It doesn't mean "It was my fault, I caused it." It means, "I'm not going to try to blame others for what happened on my watch." > Probably what the world awaits is an american President of some > stature. Not that we have really high hopes. "The buck stops here" is the highest stature there is for a leader. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > As much as I detest Jimmy Carter, I respect him for what he said > > > after that botched attempt by the U.S. military to rescue the > > > hostages in Iran. He said: I take full responsibility for this. > > > the buck stops here. > > > > > So you really believe that these people, including that christian > > fundamentalist peanutfarmer Carter knows the detailed working of > > cause and effect ? To hear that fellow say " the buck stops here" > > just makes me laugh. > > What are you talking about? "The buck stops here" > says nothing about cause and effect. Yes it does. Your president had no clue whatsoever about what caused what. To claim responsebility for a chain of events out of his control is childish and immature, and sadly; very american. Probably what the world awaits is an american President of some stature. Not that we have really high hopes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > As much as I detest Jimmy Carter, I respect him for what he said > > after that botched attempt by the U.S. military to rescue the > > hostages in Iran. He said: I take full responsibility for this. > > the buck stops here. > > So you really believe that these people, including that christian > fundamentalist peanutfarmer Carter knows the detailed working of > cause and effect ? To hear that fellow say " the buck stops here" > just makes me laugh. What are you talking about? "The buck stops here" says nothing about cause and effect. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > > > > > on 8/17/06 6:01 PM, Jason Spock at jedi_spock@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Has Maharishi ever given a straight answer on the > > movement's > > > finances.?? > > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > > > > > What does the TM-org think of Earl Kaplan now.?? > > > > > > > > > Probably hates his guts, but would welcome him back if he > > offered > > > to give > > > > more money. > > > > > > Why should Maharishi be held accountable by small egos that are > > just > > > attached to money, who have no idea what he is doing or his role > > in > > > the world at this time ? > > > > > > > > Maharishi should be held accountable because of the principle of > > RESPONDEAT SUPERIOR: > > > > (rehs-pond-dee-at superior) n. Latin for "let the master answer," a > > key doctrine in the law of agency, which provides that a principal > > (employer) is responsible for the actions of his/her/its agent > > (employee) in the "course of employment." Thus, an agent who signs > > an agreement to purchase goods for his employer in the name of the > > employer can create a binding contract between the seller and the > > employer. Another example: if a delivery truck driver negligently > > hits a child in the street, the company for which the driver works > > will be liable for the injuries. > > > > http://tinyurl.com/z94rp > > > > You can't have it both ways: either MMY runs the TMO or he doesn't. > > > > If he does, then he has to be held accountable for everything that > > happens under him. > > > > If he doesn't, then let some professionals run the TMO, for God's > > sake! > > > > That's why I was so pissed off with MMY and the TMO over the Levi > > Butler affair: there was clear evidence of contributory negligence > > on the part of the TMO when they did not follow policy and hand Sem > > over to the appropriate authorities after the first attack he > > perpetrated against another student prior to the murder. It is > > obvious to me that the reason this wasn't done was because of the > > wish to keep crime numbers on campus and in Fairfield down. A > > direct result of TMO policy and the wishes of MMY. > > > > And also: after the incident, the only thing I heard come from MMY > > regarding the Butler murder was that he blamed society at large for > > the murder. > > > > No taking of responsibility himself. > > > > As much as I detest Jimmy Carter, I respect him for what he said > > after that botched attempt by the U.S. military to rescue the > > hostages in Iran. He said: I take full responsibility for this. > > the buck stops here. > > > > Janet Reno did that, too, right after the Waco tragedy. She said: > > the choice to raid them was mine and mine alone. I'm responsible. > > > > No such words were forthcoming from MMY. > > > > Sad. > > So you really believe that these people, including that christian > fundamentalist peanutfarmer Carter knows the detailed working of > cause and effect ? To hear that fellow say " the buck stops here" > just makes me laugh. Actually, he may not have exactly said "the buck stops here". That was my paraphrase of the sentiment of what he said (that's why I didn't put it in quotes originally. I am saddened that it makes you laugh that Carter did that. I think it was the exact right thing to do. It's called taking responsibility for your actions. > > > > > > > > > > Someone posted a while back that Kaplan regrets writing the > > letter. > > > Apparently he complained to Amma about Maharishi had taken all of > > > his money whereupon she scolded him and said it happened because > > he > > > was so attached to money. Anyone knows the details of that story ? > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > > > > > on 8/18/06 11:10 AM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > If you want money spent for a specific project, you have to > > specify that it is > > > > > being spent for > > > > > that project. Otherwise, a non-profit can spend it on anything > > it wants as > > > > > long as it is still > > > > > in the charter for it's existence. > > > > > > > > > Ed Beckley used to do that. He would see a road on campus that > > needed > > > > fixing, get bids from contractors, then donate money to fix the > > road, > > > > specifically ear-marked for that purpose. The money would > > disappear and the > > > > road wouldn¹t be fixed. > > > > > > > > > > How many times did he do this? And if he really wanted it fixed, > > why didn't he pay the > > > contractors directly? > > > > > > > > Because he wouldn't have been able to get the charitable tax > > deduction for it. > > > > Not so sure about that. I am. You have to be an official charity in order to get a tax deduction for money you give to that charity. Unless Ed Beckley's company was an official charity (it wasn't, it was his own for-profit business), it wouldn't be able to do work that was deductible. > > > And he wouldn't have been able to pay for it himself and use it as a > > deduction for his own business because that would have been fraud. > > > > > Depends on when and how it was done. While consultants can no longer deduct their full > fee, I believe that service organizations can deduct a lot more when doing work for non- > profits. ...then ear-marking for the work to be done by MIU would have allowed him to deduct 100% of what he gave. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > on 8/18/06 8:18 AM, nablus108 at nablus108@ wrote: > > > > > > Someone posted a while back that Kaplan regrets writing the letter. > > > Apparently he complained to Amma about Maharishi had taken all of > > > his money whereupon she scolded him and said it happened because he > > > was so attached to money. Anyone knows the details of that story ? > > > > > As I heard the story (and I could get it first hand from someone who was > > there if you wish) she consoled him because he was feeling ripped > off. She > > said that regardless of how the money was used (i.e., > misappropriated) he > > would reap good karma from the sincerity of his intention when > giving it. > > > That's quite a contrast to the way that story was reported here. > It certainly sounds more credible. I remember the story being told that Amma chastised Earl for being negative about a guru. Was that not a correct telling of the story? > > > JohnY > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > > > on 8/17/06 6:01 PM, Jason Spock at jedi_spock@ wrote: > > > > > > > Has Maharishi ever given a straight answer on the > movement's > > finances.?? > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > > > What does the TM-org think of Earl Kaplan now.?? > > > > > > > Probably hates his guts, but would welcome him back if he > offered > > to give > > > more money. > > > > Why should Maharishi be held accountable by small egos that are > just > > attached to money, who have no idea what he is doing or his role > in > > the world at this time ? > > > > Maharishi should be held accountable because of the principle of > RESPONDEAT SUPERIOR: > > (rehs-pond-dee-at superior) n. Latin for "let the master answer," a > key doctrine in the law of agency, which provides that a principal > (employer) is responsible for the actions of his/her/its agent > (employee) in the "course of employment." Thus, an agent who signs > an agreement to purchase goods for his employer in the name of the > employer can create a binding contract between the seller and the > employer. Another example: if a delivery truck driver negligently > hits a child in the street, the company for which the driver works > will be liable for the injuries. > > http://tinyurl.com/z94rp > > You can't have it both ways: either MMY runs the TMO or he doesn't. > > If he does, then he has to be held accountable for everything that > happens under him. > > If he doesn't, then let some professionals run the TMO, for God's > sake! > > That's why I was so pissed off with MMY and the TMO over the Levi > Butler affair: there was clear evidence of contributory negligence > on the part of the TMO when they did not follow policy and hand Sem > over to the appropriate authorities after the first attack he > perpetrated against another student prior to the murder. It is > obvious to me that the reason this wasn't done was because of the > wish to keep crime numbers on campus and in Fairfield down. A > direct result of TMO policy and the wishes of MMY. > > And also: after the incident, the only thing I heard come from MMY > regarding the Butler murder was that he blamed society at large for > the murder. > > No taking of responsibility himself. > > As much as I detest Jimmy Carter, I respect him for what he said > after that botched attempt by the U.S. military to rescue the > hostages in Iran. He said: I take full responsibility for this. > the buck stops here. > > Janet Reno did that, too, right after the Waco tragedy. She said: > the choice to raid them was mine and mine alone. I'm responsible. > > No such words were forthcoming from MMY. > > Sad. So you really believe that these people, including that christian fundamentalist peanutfarmer Carter knows the detailed working of cause and effect ? To hear that fellow say " the buck stops here" just makes me laugh. > > > > > > Someone posted a while back that Kaplan regrets writing the > letter. > > Apparently he complained to Amma about Maharishi had taken all of > > his money whereupon she scolded him and said it happened because > he > > was so attached to money. Anyone knows the details of that story ? > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > > > on 8/18/06 11:10 AM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote: > > > > > > > > If you want money spent for a specific project, you have to > specify that it is > > > > being spent for > > > > that project. Otherwise, a non-profit can spend it on anything > it wants as > > > > long as it is still > > > > in the charter for it's existence. > > > > > > > Ed Beckley used to do that. He would see a road on campus that > needed > > > fixing, get bids from contractors, then donate money to fix the > road, > > > specifically ear-marked for that purpose. The money would > disappear and the > > > road wouldn¹t be fixed. > > > > > > > How many times did he do this? And if he really wanted it fixed, > why didn't he pay the > > contractors directly? > > > > Because he wouldn't have been able to get the charitable tax > deduction for it. > Not so sure about that. > And he wouldn't have been able to pay for it himself and use it as a > deduction for his own business because that would have been fraud. > Depends on when and how it was done. While consultants can no longer deduct their full fee, I believe that service organizations can deduct a lot more when doing work for non- profits. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > on 8/18/06 11:10 AM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote: > > > > > > If you want money spent for a specific project, you have to specify that it is > > > being spent for > > > that project. Otherwise, a non-profit can spend it on anything it wants as > > > long as it is still > > > in the charter for it's existence. > > > > > Ed Beckley used to do that. He would see a road on campus that needed > > fixing, get bids from contractors, then donate money to fix the road, > > specifically ear-marked for that purpose. The money would disappear and the > > road wouldn¹t be fixed. > > > > How many times did he do this? And if he really wanted it fixed, why didn't he pay the > contractors directly? Because he wouldn't have been able to get the charitable tax deduction for it. And he wouldn't have been able to pay for it himself and use it as a deduction for his own business because that would have been fraud. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > on 8/18/06 4:14 AM, hugheshugo at richardhughes103@ wrote: > > > > > > I personally think Kaplan shoots himself in the foot with his talk of > > > enlightened children (how does he know?)and psychics (surely the > > > biggest frauds out there!) If he's that credulous perhaps it's no > > > wonder he handed over so much of his hard-earned without asking where > > > it was going. > > No one who gives to the movement asks where it's going, or follows up > on where it went. It obvious to anyone who does any research that a > fraction given goes to the stated projects. Here in fairfield the > local TBs have repeatedly given to special projects that never came to > pass, but no-one says anything. It's a given in the movement that you > just give and however MMY spends it that's the way it should be spent. > Donors who have grown to question that attitude invariably move on as > that attitude is not acceptable. It's silly to think Earl was somehow > unique in this way. Someone once posted here that David Lynch's recent project to raise money for instructing college students is being done under the auspices of his own foundation. If that is so, perhaps this may be the solution to the wanton and irresponsible record of the TMO in this regard: if you want to donate huge sums to the TMO, control the money yourself through your own foundation. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > on 8/18/06 4:14 AM, hugheshugo at richardhughes103@ wrote: > > > > > > I personally think Kaplan shoots himself in the foot with his > > > talk of > > > enlightened children (how does he know?)and psychics (surely the > > > biggest frauds out there!) If he's that credulous perhaps it's no > > > wonder he handed over so much of his hard-earned without asking > > > where it was going. > > > > > Earl told me that letter was leaked prematurely. He would have > > cleaned it up a lot before releasing it intentionally. > > That letter, with all the psychic vampirism and MMY killing GD > nonsense, was embarrassingly idiotic. He should have limited it to the > topic of TMO finances and ditched all the nutter conspiracy crap. Earl should write a book called "Writing can be fun" and then read it himself. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > on 8/17/06 6:01 PM, Jason Spock at jedi_spock@ wrote: > > > > > Has Maharishi ever given a straight answer on the movement's > finances.?? > > > > > No. > > > > > > What does the TM-org think of Earl Kaplan now.?? > > > > > Probably hates his guts, but would welcome him back if he offered > to give > > more money. > > Why should Maharishi be held accountable by small egos that are just > attached to money, who have no idea what he is doing or his role in > the world at this time ? Maharishi should be held accountable because of the principle of RESPONDEAT SUPERIOR: (rehs-pond-dee-at superior) n. Latin for "let the master answer," a key doctrine in the law of agency, which provides that a principal (employer) is responsible for the actions of his/her/its agent (employee) in the "course of employment." Thus, an agent who signs an agreement to purchase goods for his employer in the name of the employer can create a binding contract between the seller and the employer. Another example: if a delivery truck driver negligently hits a child in the street, the company for which the driver works will be liable for the injuries. http://tinyurl.com/z94rp You can't have it both ways: either MMY runs the TMO or he doesn't. If he does, then he has to be held accountable for everything that happens under him. If he doesn't, then let some professionals run the TMO, for God's sake! That's why I was so pissed off with MMY and the TMO over the Levi Butler affair: there was clear evidence of contributory negligence on the part of the TMO when they did not follow policy and hand Sem over to the appropriate authorities after the first attack he perpetrated against another student prior to the murder. It is obvious to me that the reason this wasn't done was because of the wish to keep crime numbers on campus and in Fairfield down. A direct result of TMO policy and the wishes of MMY. And also: after the incident, the only thing I heard come from MMY regarding the Butler murder was that he blamed society at large for the murder. No taking of responsibility himself. As much as I detest Jimmy Carter, I respect him for what he said after that botched attempt by the U.S. military to rescue the hostages in Iran. He said: I take full responsibility for this. the buck stops here. Janet Reno did that, too, right after the Waco tragedy. She said: the choice to raid them was mine and mine alone. I'm responsible. No such words were forthcoming from MMY. Sad. > > Someone posted a while back that Kaplan regrets writing the letter. > Apparently he complained to Amma about Maharishi had taken all of > his money whereupon she scolded him and said it happened because he > was so attached to money. Anyone knows the details of that story ? > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 8/18/06 4:14 AM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > I personally think Kaplan shoots himself in the foot with his talk of > > enlightened children (how does he know?)and psychics (surely the > > biggest frauds out there!) If he's that credulous perhaps it's no > > wonder he handed over so much of his hard-earned without asking where > > it was going. > > > Earl told me that letter was leaked prematurely. He would have cleaned it up > a lot before releasing it intentionally. I wonder how that happens. If a writer is working on a text and he is going through drafts, it usually doesn't go past his own computer. That is, unless he was having a friend or colleague or employee take a look at it for opinions and feedback. Unless Kaplan was circulating the letter widely for feedback (and then it leaves it to an Act of God whether it goes public at that point), then it would have stayed within a controlled, close circle. And if it was leaked prematurely and it was me who it happened to, then the shit would fly. I would find out who did it and either fire their ass or find a new friend. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" > > wrote: > > > > > > Yeah, i find it particularly interesting because he was there and > > > can write about it from having been there. It is an important > > > letter that tells us things. Regardless. > > > > > > -Doug in FF > > > > > Perhaps everything in this letter is true, and perhaps not. > > > > The thing I find downright odd about it, though, is this guy goes > on > > and on and on and on about the deceit of Maharishi and the lies he > > was told and how much money he gave Maharishi, and not once does he > > say he plainly *met with Maharishi* and asked him about all of > these > > things. > > > > Seems like a very immature approach from this fellow. What is > > Maharishi going to do, beat him up, call him a sissy, arm wrestle > > him? On the one hand, this guy is willing to fill several pages > with > > accusations, and on the other, not willing to meet with Maharishi, > > who is after all, a human being just like the rest of us. > > > > Seems to me like this guy is intimidated by Maharishi, and that is > > what he should be working on, instead of all this other stuff. > > > > In my experience nobody will even question MMY's lackeys for fear of > causing trouble or being "negative", I would imagine that increases a > lot for the man at the top especially as we are led to believe he is > much more than human. > > I personally think Kaplan shoots himself in the foot with his talk of > enlightened children (how does he know?)and psychics (surely the > biggest frauds out there!) If he's that credulous perhaps it's no > wonder he handed over so much of his hard-earned without asking where > it was going. I agree. Although Kaplan probably has alot of justification and cause regarding the missing $17 million, he's a bit disingenious with that letter. After all, he was in the TMO for -- what? -- 30 years? Com'n. If you weren't picking up on the bad stuff after all that time, can't blame it all on MMY and the TMO. Gotta look to yourself a bit. > > Let's face it when someone leaves a group like ours under a cloud > they dislike the guru with equal but opposite power to which they > liked them in the first place, it looks like he'll accept any theory > out there as long as it's contrary to what the TMO think. > > He could have been a lot more effective if he'd stuck to the facts. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 8/18/06 11:10 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > If you want money spent for a specific project, you have to specify that it is > > being spent for > > that project. Otherwise, a non-profit can spend it on anything it wants as > > long as it is still > > in the charter for it's existence. > > > Ed Beckley used to do that. He would see a road on campus that needed > fixing, get bids from contractors, then donate money to fix the road, > specifically ear-marked for that purpose. The money would disappear and the > road wouldn¹t be fixed. When I was a student at MIU I lived in one of the Pods up near the Learning Center. When a young, new student developed a lot of allergy problems in our Pod, her mother sent the university money to have the heating ducts cleaned out as she thought it would help allieve her daughter's allergies. You can bet those heating ducts never got cleaned out. The student ended up moving into H&W, where the only problem there was lots of mice. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 8/18/06 8:18 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Someone posted a while back that Kaplan regrets writing the letter. > > Apparently he complained to Amma about Maharishi had taken all of > > his money whereupon she scolded him and said it happened because he > > was so attached to money. Anyone knows the details of that story ? > > > As I heard the story (and I could get it first hand from someone who was > there if you wish) she consoled him because he was feeling ripped off. She > said that regardless of how the money was used (i.e., misappropriated) he > would reap good karma from the sincerity of his intention when giving it. > That's quite a contrast to the way that story was reported here. It certainly sounds more credible. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $ on 8/18/06 11:35 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Ed Beckley used to do that. He would see a road on campus that needed >> fixing, get bids from contractors, then donate money to fix the road, >> specifically ear-marked for that purpose. The money would disappear and the >> road wouldn’t be fixed. >> > > How many times did he do this? > I don’t know. > > And if he really wanted it fixed, why didn't he pay the > contractors directly? Tax write-off. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 8/18/06 11:10 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > If you want money spent for a specific project, you have to specify that it > > is > > being spent for > > that project. Otherwise, a non-profit can spend it on anything it wants as > > long as it is still > > in the charter for it's existence. > > > Ed Beckley used to do that. He would see a road on campus that needed > fixing, get bids from contractors, then donate money to fix the road, > specifically ear-marked for that purpose. The money would disappear and the > road wouldn¹t be fixed. > How many times did he do this? And if he really wanted it fixed, why didn't he pay the contractors directly? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $ on 8/18/06 11:10 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want money spent for a specific project, you have to specify that it is being spent for that project. Otherwise, a non-profit can spend it on anything it wants as long as it is still in the charter for it's existence. Ed Beckley used to do that. He would see a road on campus that needed fixing, get bids from contractors, then donate money to fix the road, specifically ear-marked for that purpose. The money would disappear and the road wouldn’t be fixed. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > on 8/18/06 4:14 AM, hugheshugo at richardhughes103@ wrote: > > > > > > I personally think Kaplan shoots himself in the foot with his talk of > > > enlightened children (how does he know?)and psychics (surely the > > > biggest frauds out there!) If he's that credulous perhaps it's no > > > wonder he handed over so much of his hard-earned without asking where > > > it was going. > > No one who gives to the movement asks where it's going, or follows up > on where it went. It obvious to anyone who does any research that a > fraction given goes to the stated projects. Here in fairfield the > local TBs have repeatedly given to special projects that never came to > pass, but no-one says anything. It's a given in the movement that you > just give and however MMY spends it that's the way it should be spent. > Donors who have grown to question that attitude invariably move on as > that attitude is not acceptable. It's silly to think Earl was somehow > unique in this way. > If you want money spent for a specific project, you have to specify that it is being spent for that project. Otherwise, a non-profit can spend it on anything it wants as long as it is still in the charter for it's existence. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 8/18/06 8:18 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Someone posted a while back that Kaplan regrets writing the letter. > > Apparently he complained to Amma about Maharishi had taken all of > > his money whereupon she scolded him and said it happened because he > > was so attached to money. Anyone knows the details of that story ? > > > As I heard the story (and I could get it first hand from someone who was > there if you wish) she consoled him because he was feeling ripped off. She > said that regardless of how the money was used (i.e., misappropriated) he > would reap good karma from the sincerity of his intention when giving it. Your story is interesting. I wonder how 2 such rather different interpretations can circulate about the same happening. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > wrote: > > > > Let's face it when someone leaves a group like ours under a cloud > > they dislike the guru with equal but opposite power to which they > > liked them in the first place, it looks like he'll accept any theory > > out there as long as it's contrary to what the TMO think. > > > Agreed. Still attached as ever. > More-so. Anger and its aftermath are a far bigger source of attachment than love and caring. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 8/17/06 10:47 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > You mean MMY? I thought he specifically had said he wasn't a guru. > > > On some occasions he has said he is. > > > > What did he tell Earl he'd do with the $$? > > > I don¹t know. Various projects I suppose. In the case of the missing $17 > million, it was to be used to pay taxes as I recall. > I thought it was NOT used to pay the taxes, and that that was the problem... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $ on 8/18/06 8:18 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone posted a while back that Kaplan regrets writing the letter. Apparently he complained to Amma about Maharishi had taken all of his money whereupon she scolded him and said it happened because he was so attached to money. Anyone knows the details of that story ? As I heard the story (and I could get it first hand from someone who was there if you wish) she consoled him because he was feeling ripped off. She said that regardless of how the money was used (i.e., misappropriated) he would reap good karma from the sincerity of his intention when giving it. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 8/18/06 4:14 AM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > I personally think Kaplan shoots himself in the foot with his > > talk of > > enlightened children (how does he know?)and psychics (surely the > > biggest frauds out there!) If he's that credulous perhaps it's no > > wonder he handed over so much of his hard-earned without asking > > where it was going. > > > Earl told me that letter was leaked prematurely. He would have > cleaned it up a lot before releasing it intentionally. That letter, with all the psychic vampirism and MMY killing GD nonsense, was embarrassingly idiotic. He should have limited it to the topic of TMO finances and ditched all the nutter conspiracy crap. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 8/18/06 4:14 AM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > I personally think Kaplan shoots himself in the foot with his talk of > > enlightened children (how does he know?)and psychics (surely the > > biggest frauds out there!) If he's that credulous perhaps it's no > > wonder he handed over so much of his hard-earned without asking where > > it was going. No one who gives to the movement asks where it's going, or follows up on where it went. It obvious to anyone who does any research that a fraction given goes to the stated projects. Here in fairfield the local TBs have repeatedly given to special projects that never came to pass, but no-one says anything. It's a given in the movement that you just give and however MMY spends it that's the way it should be spent. Donors who have grown to question that attitude invariably move on as that attitude is not acceptable. It's silly to think Earl was somehow unique in this way. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 8/17/06 6:01 PM, Jason Spock at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Has Maharishi ever given a straight answer on the movement's finances.?? > > > No. > > > > What does the TM-org think of Earl Kaplan now.?? > > > Probably hates his guts, but would welcome him back if he offered to give > more money. Why should Maharishi be held accountable by small egos that are just attached to money, who have no idea what he is doing or his role in the world at this time ? Someone posted a while back that Kaplan regrets writing the letter. Apparently he complained to Amma about Maharishi had taken all of his money whereupon she scolded him and said it happened because he was so attached to money. Anyone knows the details of that story ? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Let's face it when someone leaves a group like ours under a cloud > they dislike the guru with equal but opposite power to which they > liked them in the first place, it looks like he'll accept any theory > out there as long as it's contrary to what the TMO think. > Agreed. Still attached as ever. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $ on 8/18/06 4:14 AM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I personally think Kaplan shoots himself in the foot with his talk of enlightened children (how does he know?)and psychics (surely the biggest frauds out there!) If he's that credulous perhaps it's no wonder he handed over so much of his hard-earned without asking where it was going. Earl told me that letter was leaked prematurely. He would have cleaned it up a lot before releasing it intentionally. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" > wrote: > > > > Yeah, i find it particularly interesting because he was there and > > can write about it from having been there. It is an important > > letter that tells us things. Regardless. > > > > -Doug in FF > > > Perhaps everything in this letter is true, and perhaps not. > > The thing I find downright odd about it, though, is this guy goes on > and on and on and on about the deceit of Maharishi and the lies he > was told and how much money he gave Maharishi, and not once does he > say he plainly *met with Maharishi* and asked him about all of these > things. > > Seems like a very immature approach from this fellow. What is > Maharishi going to do, beat him up, call him a sissy, arm wrestle > him? On the one hand, this guy is willing to fill several pages with > accusations, and on the other, not willing to meet with Maharishi, > who is after all, a human being just like the rest of us. > > Seems to me like this guy is intimidated by Maharishi, and that is > what he should be working on, instead of all this other stuff. > In my experience nobody will even question MMY's lackeys for fear of causing trouble or being "negative", I would imagine that increases a lot for the man at the top especially as we are led to believe he is much more than human. I personally think Kaplan shoots himself in the foot with his talk of enlightened children (how does he know?)and psychics (surely the biggest frauds out there!) If he's that credulous perhaps it's no wonder he handed over so much of his hard-earned without asking where it was going. Let's face it when someone leaves a group like ours under a cloud they dislike the guru with equal but opposite power to which they liked them in the first place, it looks like he'll accept any theory out there as long as it's contrary to what the TMO think. He could have been a lot more effective if he'd stuck to the facts. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
Those occasions being...when he smells $$? :) Sal On Aug 17, 2006, at 11:22 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > on 8/17/06 10:47 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > You mean MMY? I thought he specifically had said he wasn't a guru. > > On some occasions he has said he is. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $ on 8/17/06 10:47 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean MMY? I thought he specifically had said he wasn't a guru. On some occasions he has said he is. What did he tell Earl he'd do with the $$? I don’t know. Various projects I suppose. In the case of the missing $17 million, it was to be used to pay taxes as I recall. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "chaim_laib" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've never heard of anyone with a bone to pick trying to speak > with > > > him at all- they mainly try their case in the court of public > > > opinion, so to speak. > > > > > > I have yet to read of someone describing their attempts to speak > > > with Maharishi and being repeatedly rebuffed, once they already > had > > > access. Not saying it never happened, but I just have never > heard of > > > it. > > > > > > > Ok, here's one for you, it at least partially expalins the wall > aournd > > him. Different era but this happened to me, I was there, it really > > happened. > > > > It was an ATR course attended by maybe 200 initiators, in > Mallorca, at > > the end of 1971. Lots and lots of problems of all kinds-housing, > > busing, food, but we were young then, innocent, most things were > > tolerable. > > > > Like standing for 8 hours, in front of our hotel at the beginning > of > > the 4 week course waiting for our bus to come get us and take us to > > the other side of the island. Every 10 minutes or so we were told, > > "it's almost here." > > > > And getting to where M was, and getting rooms with no heat, no hot > > water, no electricity, it was freezing, and when we asked for > > different rooms we were told "you're just unstressing." > > > > S, at the very end of the 4 weeks, next to last meeting, > Maharishi > > asked us, "What can I do to make these courses better." I > thought he > > really wanted to know, so I got up to the microphone, he called on > me, > > and I said: "Maharishi one thing you can do to make these courses > > better is to have them planned better before we get here." Well, > > instantly the Big Cheeses (Joe Clarke, Stan Crow, Charlie Donanue) > > starting waving me off the microphone. M noted this yet he looked > at > > me and gave me the a nod of the head-a go-ahead-to keep talking. > > > > I explained to him all about an airline mixup, about the buses, > about > > the no heat/hot water, about how rudely the housing people were to > us, > > etc. and he was looking at me, really listening. All this while- > maybe > > 3 or 4 minutes Stan Crowe, Joe Clarke, Charlie Donahue, were > hissing > > at me, waving me away from the microphone, finally YELLING "Sit > down, > > sit down." > > > > The one good thing about it was, at our very last meeting, before > we > > got on the buses, as M was giving us our sendoff, he said, in the > > midst of his spiel, "...and we will do a much better job of > planning > > for your next course..." and while he was saying these words he was > > looking around the room to find me and our eyes met for a split > sec. > > > > It was great vindication for me, but it never stopped The Big > Cheeses > > from being idiotic about "protecting" M from anything not perfect. > > Which was always a stupid thing to do, imo. > > > > There are many other stories like this that I witnessed and it > > expalins that there is a vast wall around him. At least I think > there is. > > > > Chaim L. > > > I am glad to did that- good for you, however it is not really in the > same league as what I am curious about. I DO agree that Movement > facilities were often atricious; dirty, spartan and actually > dangerous. And the last course I attended (1993- Wash DC) was so > disorganized I decided I'd not go on another. I went on an India course in Kashmir in '81 or '82 (can't remember the exact year) and it was so horribly disorganised that myself and 2 or 3 others stopped going to group program and just did the tourist and hiking thing after the first few days. To give you just one example: the flying room was made up of old, used mattresses from who-know-what flea-bitten, malarial and dyssentry-infested Indian homes...and every time you hopped on them clouds of dust would form. I got the hell out of there after the first program. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
You mean MMY? I thought he specifically had said he wasn't a guru. What did he tell Earl he'd do with the $$? Sal On Aug 17, 2006, at 10:38 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > on 8/17/06 6:57 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > One wonders, if he was such a fool as to give the TMO that kind of $$ > with no strings attached, how he *did* get rich...was it just dumb > luck? I don't quite understand how somebody could be that foolish. > > He (Earl) trusted his guru. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $ on 8/17/06 6:57 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One wonders, if he was such a fool as to give the TMO that kind of $$ with no strings attached, how he *did* get rich...was it just dumb luck? I don't quite understand how somebody could be that foolish. He (Earl) trusted his guru. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $ on 8/17/06 6:01 PM, Jason Spock at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has Maharishi ever given a straight answer on the movement's finances.?? No. What does the TM-org think of Earl Kaplan now.?? Probably hates his guts, but would welcome him back if he offered to give more money. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > > > > > on 8/17/06 3:49 PM, jim_flanegin at jflanegi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The thing I find downright odd about it, though, is this guy > > goes > > > on > > > > > and on and on and on about the deceit of Maharishi and the lies > > he > > > > > was told and how much money he gave Maharishi, and not once > > does he > > > > > say he plainly *met with Maharishi* and asked him about all of > > > these > > > > > things. > > > > > > > > > For years, Earl had mare ³face time² with MMY than just about > > > anybody. > > > > Perhaps, once he began to turn sour, MMY no longer wanted to meet > > > with him. > > > > MMY doesn¹t like uncomfortable confrontations. > > > > > > > It would be interesting to know if Earl even tried to meet with > > > Maharishi to discuss all of this. My money is on 'Nope'. > > > > > My money is on "Yep". The Kaplan's did not amass their fortune by > > sitting on their hands and being shy, meek or submissive. They were > > pretty forceful guys. And if/when they started to raise a stink about > > where the money was going, the TBs would have tried to keep them away > > from MMY. Have you ever heard of anyone with a bone to pick with MMY > > getting close to him? > > Earl told several of his friends of attempts to discuss the issue with > MMY on the phone and MMY not giving him a straight answer, which is > what really upset him as much as anything else. Anyone who thinks > Earl wouldn't pursue getting to the bottom of what happened to $16 > million doesn't know Earl - like the post above says Earl didn't get > rich being shy about money. > At least Earl was able to get him to come to the phone... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > on 8/17/06 3:49 PM, jim_flanegin at jflanegi@ wrote: > > > > > > The thing I find downright odd about it, though, is this guy goes > on > > > and on and on and on about the deceit of Maharishi and the lies he > > > was told and how much money he gave Maharishi, and not once does he > > > say he plainly *met with Maharishi* and asked him about all of > these > > > things. > > > > > For years, Earl had mare ³face time² with MMY than just about > anybody. > > Perhaps, once he began to turn sour, MMY no longer wanted to meet > with him. > > MMY doesn¹t like uncomfortable confrontations. > > > It would be interesting to know if Earl even tried to meet with > Maharishi to discuss all of this. My money is on 'Nope'. > Why should he even try? If MMY were so cosmic he'd already know why Earl was upset... I hope at least a FEW people realize that I'm paraphrasing the comment of another famous/wealthy student of MMY's who got upset with him over something. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
The TM-org preaches "Order and Perfection" to the entire world.!! but it can't set it's own house in order. Practice what you preach. What a Paradox.!! The TM-org lacks compassion. Had the TM-org had been a little compassionate and treated it's members as family, it would not have created so many enemies. chaim_laib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 23:22:51 -0000Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $ Ok, here's one for you, it at least partially expalins the wall aourndhim. Different era but this happened to me, I was there, it reallyhappened.It was an ATR course attended by maybe 200 initiators, in Mallorca, atthe end of 1971. Lots and lots of problems of all kinds-housing,busing, food, but we were young then, innocent, most things weretolerable. Like standing for 8 hours, in front of our hotel at the beginning ofthe 4 week course waiting for our bus to come get us and take us tothe other side of the island. Every 10 minutes or so we were told,"it's almost here." And getting to where M was, and getting rooms with no heat, no hotwater, no electricity, it was freezing, and when we asked fordifferent rooms we were told "you're just unstressing."S, at the very end of the 4 weeks, next to last meeting, Maharishiasked us, "What can I do to make these courses better." I thought hereally wanted to know, so I got up to the microphone, he called on me,and I said: "Maharishi one thing you can do to make these coursesbetter is to have them planned better before we get here." Well,instantly the Big Cheeses (Joe Clarke, Stan Crow, Charlie Donanue)starting waving me off the microphone. M noted this yet he looked atme and gave me the a nod of the head-a go-ahead-to keep talking.I explained to him all about an airline mixup, about the buses, aboutthe no heat/hot water, about how rudely the housing people were to us,etc. and he was looking at me, really listening. All this while-maybe3 or 4 minutes Stan Crowe, Joe Clarke, Charlie Donahue, were hissingat me, waving me away from the microphone, finally YELLING "Sit down, sit down."The one good thing about it was, at our very last meeting, before wegot on the buses, as M was giving us our sendoff, he said, in themidst of his spiel, "...and we will do a much better job of planningfor your next course..." and while he was saying these words he waslooking around the room to find me and our eyes met for a split sec.It was great vindication for me, but it never stopped The Big Cheesesfrom being idiotic about "protecting" M from anything not perfect.Which was always a stupid thing to do, imo.There are many other stories like this that I witnessed and itexpalins that there is a vast wall around him. At least I think there is. Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
One wonders, if he was such a fool as to give the TMO that kind of $$ with no strings attached, how he *did* get rich...was it just dumb luck? I don't quite understand how somebody could be that foolish. Sal On Aug 17, 2006, at 5:38 PM, markmeredith2002 wrote: > Earl told several of his friends of attempts to discuss the issue with > MMY on the phone and MMY not giving him a straight answer, which is > what really upset him as much as anything else. Anyone who thinks > Earl wouldn't pursue getting to the bottom of what happened to $16 > million doesn't know Earl - like the post above says Earl didn't get > rich being shy about money. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "chaim_laib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote: > > > > > > > > > I've never heard of anyone with a bone to pick trying to speak with > > him at all- they mainly try their case in the court of public > > opinion, so to speak. > > > > I have yet to read of someone describing their attempts to speak > > with Maharishi and being repeatedly rebuffed, once they already had > > access. Not saying it never happened, but I just have never heard of > > it. > > > > Ok, here's one for you, it at least partially expalins the wall aournd > him. Different era but this happened to me, I was there, it really > happened. > > It was an ATR course attended by maybe 200 initiators, in Mallorca, at > the end of 1971. Lots and lots of problems of all kinds-housing, > busing, food, but we were young then, innocent, most things were > tolerable. > > Like standing for 8 hours, in front of our hotel at the beginning of > the 4 week course waiting for our bus to come get us and take us to > the other side of the island. Every 10 minutes or so we were told, > "it's almost here." > > And getting to where M was, and getting rooms with no heat, no hot > water, no electricity, it was freezing, and when we asked for > different rooms we were told "you're just unstressing." > > S, at the very end of the 4 weeks, next to last meeting, Maharishi > asked us, "What can I do to make these courses better." I thought he > really wanted to know, so I got up to the microphone, he called on me, > and I said: "Maharishi one thing you can do to make these courses > better is to have them planned better before we get here." Well, > instantly the Big Cheeses (Joe Clarke, Stan Crow, Charlie Donanue) > starting waving me off the microphone. M noted this yet he looked at > me and gave me the a nod of the head-a go-ahead-to keep talking. > > I explained to him all about an airline mixup, about the buses, about > the no heat/hot water, about how rudely the housing people were to us, > etc. and he was looking at me, really listening. All this while- maybe > 3 or 4 minutes Stan Crowe, Joe Clarke, Charlie Donahue, were hissing > at me, waving me away from the microphone, finally YELLING "Sit down, > sit down." > > The one good thing about it was, at our very last meeting, before we > got on the buses, as M was giving us our sendoff, he said, in the > midst of his spiel, "...and we will do a much better job of planning > for your next course..." and while he was saying these words he was > looking around the room to find me and our eyes met for a split sec. > > It was great vindication for me, but it never stopped The Big Cheeses > from being idiotic about "protecting" M from anything not perfect. > Which was always a stupid thing to do, imo. > > There are many other stories like this that I witnessed and it > expalins that there is a vast wall around him. At least I think there is. > > Chaim L. > I am glad to did that- good for you, however it is not really in the same league as what I am curious about. I DO agree that Movement facilities were often atricious; dirty, spartan and actually dangerous. And the last course I attended (1993- Wash DC) was so disorganized I decided I'd not go on another. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I've never heard of anyone with a bone to pick trying to speak with > him at all- they mainly try their case in the court of public > opinion, so to speak. > > I have yet to read of someone describing their attempts to speak > with Maharishi and being repeatedly rebuffed, once they already had > access. Not saying it never happened, but I just have never heard of > it. > Ok, here's one for you, it at least partially expalins the wall aournd him. Different era but this happened to me, I was there, it really happened. It was an ATR course attended by maybe 200 initiators, in Mallorca, at the end of 1971. Lots and lots of problems of all kinds-housing, busing, food, but we were young then, innocent, most things were tolerable. Like standing for 8 hours, in front of our hotel at the beginning of the 4 week course waiting for our bus to come get us and take us to the other side of the island. Every 10 minutes or so we were told, "it's almost here." And getting to where M was, and getting rooms with no heat, no hot water, no electricity, it was freezing, and when we asked for different rooms we were told "you're just unstressing." S, at the very end of the 4 weeks, next to last meeting, Maharishi asked us, "What can I do to make these courses better." I thought he really wanted to know, so I got up to the microphone, he called on me, and I said: "Maharishi one thing you can do to make these courses better is to have them planned better before we get here." Well, instantly the Big Cheeses (Joe Clarke, Stan Crow, Charlie Donanue) starting waving me off the microphone. M noted this yet he looked at me and gave me the a nod of the head-a go-ahead-to keep talking. I explained to him all about an airline mixup, about the buses, about the no heat/hot water, about how rudely the housing people were to us, etc. and he was looking at me, really listening. All this while-maybe 3 or 4 minutes Stan Crowe, Joe Clarke, Charlie Donahue, were hissing at me, waving me away from the microphone, finally YELLING "Sit down, sit down." The one good thing about it was, at our very last meeting, before we got on the buses, as M was giving us our sendoff, he said, in the midst of his spiel, "...and we will do a much better job of planning for your next course..." and while he was saying these words he was looking around the room to find me and our eyes met for a split sec. It was great vindication for me, but it never stopped The Big Cheeses from being idiotic about "protecting" M from anything not perfect. Which was always a stupid thing to do, imo. There are many other stories like this that I witnessed and it expalins that there is a vast wall around him. At least I think there is. Chaim L. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
Has Maharishi ever given a straight answer on the movement's finances.?? What does the TM-org think of Earl Kaplan now.?? MarkMeredith2002 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:38:19 -0000Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $ Earl told several of his friends of attempts to discuss the issue withMMY on the phone and MMY not giving him a straight answer, which iswhat really upset him as much as anything else. Anyone who thinksEarl wouldn't pursue getting to the bottom of what happened to $16million doesn't know Earl - like the post above says Earl didn't getrich being shy about money. Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > > > > > on 8/17/06 3:49 PM, jim_flanegin at jflanegi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The thing I find downright odd about it, though, is this guy > > goes > > > on > > > > > and on and on and on about the deceit of Maharishi and the lies > > he > > > > > was told and how much money he gave Maharishi, and not once > > does he > > > > > say he plainly *met with Maharishi* and asked him about all of > > > these > > > > > things. > > > > > > > > > For years, Earl had mare ³face time² with MMY than just about > > > anybody. > > > > Perhaps, once he began to turn sour, MMY no longer wanted to meet > > > with him. > > > > MMY doesn¹t like uncomfortable confrontations. > > > > > > > It would be interesting to know if Earl even tried to meet with > > > Maharishi to discuss all of this. My money is on 'Nope'. > > > > > My money is on "Yep". The Kaplan's did not amass their fortune by > > sitting on their hands and being shy, meek or submissive. They were > > pretty forceful guys. And if/when they started to raise a stink about > > where the money was going, the TBs would have tried to keep them away > > from MMY. Have you ever heard of anyone with a bone to pick with MMY > > getting close to him? > > Earl told several of his friends of attempts to discuss the issue with > MMY on the phone and MMY not giving him a straight answer, which is > what really upset him as much as anything else. Anyone who thinks > Earl wouldn't pursue getting to the bottom of what happened to $16 > million doesn't know Earl - like the post above says Earl didn't get > rich being shy about money. > For 16 million I would've made *damned* sure I had a face-to-face meeting with Maharishi, even if it meant getting an army of lawyers involved. I am not making excuses for Maharisi, its just that given the apparently close relationship of these two and the amounts involved, Earl tries a phone call, gets the runaround, and gives up? Hmmstill sounds like he is/was intimidated by Maharishi. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > > > on 8/17/06 3:49 PM, jim_flanegin at jflanegi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > The thing I find downright odd about it, though, is this guy > goes > > on > > > > and on and on and on about the deceit of Maharishi and the lies > he > > > > was told and how much money he gave Maharishi, and not once > does he > > > > say he plainly *met with Maharishi* and asked him about all of > > these > > > > things. > > > > > > > For years, Earl had mare ³face time² with MMY than just about > > anybody. > > > Perhaps, once he began to turn sour, MMY no longer wanted to meet > > with him. > > > MMY doesn¹t like uncomfortable confrontations. > > > > > It would be interesting to know if Earl even tried to meet with > > Maharishi to discuss all of this. My money is on 'Nope'. > > > My money is on "Yep". The Kaplan's did not amass their fortune by > sitting on their hands and being shy, meek or submissive. They were > pretty forceful guys. And if/when they started to raise a stink about > where the money was going, the TBs would have tried to keep them away > from MMY. Have you ever heard of anyone with a bone to pick with MMY > getting close to him? > I've never heard of anyone with a bone to pick trying to speak with him at all- they mainly try their case in the court of public opinion, so to speak. I have yet to read of someone describing their attempts to speak with Maharishi and being repeatedly rebuffed, once they already had access. Not saying it never happened, but I just have never heard of it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > > > on 8/17/06 3:49 PM, jim_flanegin at jflanegi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > The thing I find downright odd about it, though, is this guy > goes > > on > > > > and on and on and on about the deceit of Maharishi and the lies > he > > > > was told and how much money he gave Maharishi, and not once > does he > > > > say he plainly *met with Maharishi* and asked him about all of > > these > > > > things. > > > > > > > For years, Earl had mare ³face time² with MMY than just about > > anybody. > > > Perhaps, once he began to turn sour, MMY no longer wanted to meet > > with him. > > > MMY doesn¹t like uncomfortable confrontations. > > > > > It would be interesting to know if Earl even tried to meet with > > Maharishi to discuss all of this. My money is on 'Nope'. > > > My money is on "Yep". The Kaplan's did not amass their fortune by > sitting on their hands and being shy, meek or submissive. They were > pretty forceful guys. And if/when they started to raise a stink about > where the money was going, the TBs would have tried to keep them away > from MMY. Have you ever heard of anyone with a bone to pick with MMY > getting close to him? Earl told several of his friends of attempts to discuss the issue with MMY on the phone and MMY not giving him a straight answer, which is what really upset him as much as anything else. Anyone who thinks Earl wouldn't pursue getting to the bottom of what happened to $16 million doesn't know Earl - like the post above says Earl didn't get rich being shy about money. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For me the really curious thing about the yantra is that before I got > instructed in meditation, I had it in my mind that meditation > involved looking at some pattern of precious stones. Now where on > earth did I get such an idea from? > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" > > wrote: > > > > > > Quite, but it would be nice to know where the ruby yantra is now. > It > > > would be educational to see what it looked like, anyone got an > idea > > > of how big/small it was. > > > > Hi, Paul, when I was in India in the 70's I met many people who had > > known, visited, paid respect to and even talked to Guru Dev. They > > would only roll their eyes and say it was too beautiful to talk > about, > > meeting and being around Guru Dev, that is. They wouldn't talk > about > > him beyond that > > > > They acknowledged that they also remembered Mahesh back then, too. > But > > they didn't roll their eyes and simply refused to talk about him. You seem to have forgotten what Muktananda said about Maharishi. He spoke very favorable about him and his teaching. Perhaps you only hear what you really want to hear. I have met several saints in India that speak very favorable of Maharishi. The last Saint I met was a very old yogi who lived in a small room behind a cowshed, we actually had to pass the cow to enter his room in Vrindaban, who had met both Maharishi and Guru Dev. He described Maharishi as Mahapurusha. He was a very interesting fellow with what appeared to be a large following in India, but he could not understand why Maharishi didn't send his disciples on pilgrimage to the sacred rivers of Europe and America for darshan. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > on 8/17/06 3:49 PM, jim_flanegin at jflanegi@ wrote: > > > > > > The thing I find downright odd about it, though, is this guy goes > on > > > and on and on and on about the deceit of Maharishi and the lies he > > > was told and how much money he gave Maharishi, and not once does he > > > say he plainly *met with Maharishi* and asked him about all of > these > > > things. > > > > > For years, Earl had mare ³face time² with MMY than just about > anybody. > > Perhaps, once he began to turn sour, MMY no longer wanted to meet > with him. > > MMY doesn¹t like uncomfortable confrontations. > > > It would be interesting to know if Earl even tried to meet with > Maharishi to discuss all of this. My money is on 'Nope'. > My money is on "Yep". The Kaplan's did not amass their fortune by sitting on their hands and being shy, meek or submissive. They were pretty forceful guys. And if/when they started to raise a stink about where the money was going, the TBs would have tried to keep them away from MMY. Have you ever heard of anyone with a bone to pick with MMY getting close to him? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 8/17/06 3:49 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > The thing I find downright odd about it, though, is this guy goes on > > and on and on and on about the deceit of Maharishi and the lies he > > was told and how much money he gave Maharishi, and not once does he > > say he plainly *met with Maharishi* and asked him about all of these > > things. > > > For years, Earl had mare ³face time² with MMY than just about anybody. > Perhaps, once he began to turn sour, MMY no longer wanted to meet with him. > MMY doesn¹t like uncomfortable confrontations. > It would be interesting to know if Earl even tried to meet with Maharishi to discuss all of this. My money is on 'Nope'. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $ on 8/17/06 3:49 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The thing I find downright odd about it, though, is this guy goes on and on and on and on about the deceit of Maharishi and the lies he was told and how much money he gave Maharishi, and not once does he say he plainly *met with Maharishi* and asked him about all of these things. For years, Earl had mare “face time” with MMY than just about anybody. Perhaps, once he began to turn sour, MMY no longer wanted to meet with him. MMY doesn’t like uncomfortable confrontations. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For me the really curious thing about the yantra is that before I got > instructed in meditation, I had it in my mind that meditation > involved looking at some pattern of precious stones. Now where on > earth did I get such an idea from? > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" > > wrote: > > > > > > Quite, but it would be nice to know where the ruby yantra is now. > It > > > would be educational to see what it looked like, anyone got an > idea > > > of how big/small it was. > > > > Hi, Paul, when I was in India in the 70's I met many people who had > > known, visited, paid respect to and even talked to Guru Dev. They > > would only roll their eyes and say it was too beautiful to talk > about, > > meeting and being around Guru Dev, that is. They wouldn't talk > about > > him beyond that > > > > They acknowledged that they also remembered Mahesh back then, too. > But > > they didn't roll their eyes and simply refused to talk about him. You seem to have forgotten what Muktananda said about Maharishi. He spoke very favorable about him and his teaching. Perhaps you only hear what you really want to hear. I have met several saints in India that speak very favorable of Maharishi. The last Saint I met was a very old yogi who lived in a small room behind a cowshed, we actually had to pass the cow to enter his room in Vrindaban, who had met both Maharishi and Guru Dev. He described Maharishi as Mahapurusha. He was a very interesting fellow with what appeared to be a large following in India, but he could not understand why Maharishi didn't send his disciples on pilgrimage to the sacred rivers of Europe and America for darshan. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans & $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yeah, i find it particularly interesting because he was there and > can write about it from having been there. It is an important > letter that tells us things. Regardless. > > -Doug in FF > Perhaps everything in this letter is true, and perhaps not. The thing I find downright odd about it, though, is this guy goes on and on and on and on about the deceit of Maharishi and the lies he was told and how much money he gave Maharishi, and not once does he say he plainly *met with Maharishi* and asked him about all of these things. Seems like a very immature approach from this fellow. What is Maharishi going to do, beat him up, call him a sissy, arm wrestle him? On the one hand, this guy is willing to fill several pages with accusations, and on the other, not willing to meet with Maharishi, who is after all, a human being just like the rest of us. Seems to me like this guy is intimidated by Maharishi, and that is what he should be working on, instead of all this other stuff. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 8/16/06 3:02 PM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Have Earl or David made any public communications more recently? I > > would be interested to see how their perspectives change with more > > time out of the movement. It think it takes years to re-think your > > relationship with spirituality after leaving such intense involvement. > > > Nothing that I know of since that letter. They settled a lawsuit with the > TMO over the Heavenly Mountain property. I run into Earl in town once in a > while. They were into some kundalini teacher in Tennessee last I heard. Al Gore? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
Thanks Rick. Fascinating people by any standard. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 8/16/06 3:02 PM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Have Earl or David made any public communications more recently? I > > would be interested to see how their perspectives change with more > > time out of the movement. It think it takes years to re-think your > > relationship with spirituality after leaving such intense involvement. > > > Nothing that I know of since that letter. They settled a lawsuit with the > TMO over the Heavenly Mountain property. I run into Earl in town once in a > while. They were into some kundalini teacher in Tennessee last I heard. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Great copy! I'll work on the business plan. Now lets see if we can > get Earl and David to finance it! > Bingo! I'm already planning my retirement! Yo! > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote: > > "Jewelry of the Great Masters" > > Your exquisitely detailed statue of Shiva (shown larger than actual > > size) is plated in REAL 14K GOLD! Working Fountainhead! Removable > > trident! Collect the entire set! > > > > Act Now! These won't last! > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting on 8/16/06 3:02 PM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have Earl or David made any public communications more recently? I would be interested to see how their perspectives change with more time out of the movement. It think it takes years to re-think your relationship with spirituality after leaving such intense involvement. Nothing that I know of since that letter. They settled a lawsuit with the TMO over the Heavenly Mountain property. I run into Earl in town once in a while. They were into some kundalini teacher in Tennessee last I heard. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
Great copy! I'll work on the business plan. Now lets see if we can get Earl and David to finance it! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > "> So you think MMY has it or that there was one in the first > place?" > > > > I dug out my old copy of Swami Rama's book, Living with the > Himalayan > > Master where he discusses it when he visited SBS. Not any detail > > except for mentioning that it was made of rubies and he showed him > how > > he worshiped it. I may have heard MMY speak of Yantras once on a > > Vedic studies tape as a visual mantra. It is funny that it never > came > > out as an MMY product. The tie-in with Joitish is a natural and he > > did sell gems at one time. I'll bet he could move a lot of Yantra > > product if he came out with one. Perhaps some enterprising Indian > is > > working on a Guru Dev Yantra right now. I would love a piece of > that > > action. Assembled in China! > > > Like the Lord Of The Rings Jewelry-- > > "Jewelry of the Great Masters" > Your exquisitely detailed statue of Shiva (shown larger than actual > size) is plated in REAL 14K GOLD! Working Fountainhead! Removable > trident! Collect the entire set! > > Act Now! These won't last! > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
For me the really curious thing about the yantra is that before I got instructed in meditation, I had it in my mind that meditation involved looking at some pattern of precious stones. Now where on earth did I get such an idea from? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" > wrote: > > > > Quite, but it would be nice to know where the ruby yantra is now. It > > would be educational to see what it looked like, anyone got an idea > > of how big/small it was. > > Hi, Paul, when I was in India in the 70's I met many people who had > known, visited, paid respect to and even talked to Guru Dev. They > would only roll their eyes and say it was too beautiful to talk about, > meeting and being around Guru Dev, that is. They wouldn't talk about > him beyond that > > They acknowledged that they also remembered Mahesh back then, too. But > they didn't roll their eyes and simply refused to talk about him. > > Personally, I think Mahesh nicked the yantra, prized out the rubies > and whatever other precious stones it might have contained, sold it > all and started a bank account. > > Or, just as reasonably, the present Shankaracharya of Jyotia has it. > > Or, maybe one of Guru Dev's family collected it? > > Or, it went into the box with him, into the Ganges ... or maybe that's > why Mahesh jumped in after the box, he wanted to get the yantra out. > > Or, some other scenario. > > India has many jewel dealers. A friend from Switzerland came to visit > me when I was in India because he was buying and selling precious > stones. Apparently it's quite easy to deal in such things in India > because there aren't so many questions asked. At least there weren't > then. > > Surely it wouldn't be too difficult to do some research into yantras > and other Indian antiquities to get a feeling for what size such > things might be. It seems reasonable that it was smallish, easy to > carry around. Maybe it was about the size of some of the common > Tibetan ritual implements we see at empowerments and such? > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "> So you think MMY has it or that there was one in the first place?" > > I dug out my old copy of Swami Rama's book, Living with the Himalayan > Master where he discusses it when he visited SBS. Not any detail > except for mentioning that it was made of rubies and he showed him how > he worshiped it. I may have heard MMY speak of Yantras once on a > Vedic studies tape as a visual mantra. It is funny that it never came > out as an MMY product. The tie-in with Joitish is a natural and he > did sell gems at one time. I'll bet he could move a lot of Yantra > product if he came out with one. Perhaps some enterprising Indian is > working on a Guru Dev Yantra right now. I would love a piece of that > action. Assembled in China! > Like the Lord Of The Rings Jewelry-- "Jewelry of the Great Masters" Your exquisitely detailed statue of Shiva (shown larger than actual size) is plated in REAL 14K GOLD! Working Fountainhead! Removable trident! Collect the entire set! Act Now! These won't last! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
"> So you think MMY has it or that there was one in the first place?" I dug out my old copy of Swami Rama's book, Living with the Himalayan Master where he discusses it when he visited SBS. Not any detail except for mentioning that it was made of rubies and he showed him how he worshiped it. I may have heard MMY speak of Yantras once on a Vedic studies tape as a visual mantra. It is funny that it never came out as an MMY product. The tie-in with Joitish is a natural and he did sell gems at one time. I'll bet he could move a lot of Yantra product if he came out with one. Perhaps some enterprising Indian is working on a Guru Dev Yantra right now. I would love a piece of that action. Assembled in China! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" wrote: > > > > Quite, but it would be nice to know where the ruby yantra is now. It > > would be educational to see what it looked like, anyone got an idea > > of how big/small it was. > > > > So you think MMY has it or that there was one in the first place? > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bill (William)Simmons" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earl Kaplan: The Truth > > > > > > > > So you believe that MMY stole some kind of spiritual talisman and > > > that that is where he gets > > > > all his spiritual powers? > > > > > > > > > > Me? I don't believe anything I just note that the letter has been > > > edited probably to make it more believeable. > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
Again wrong guess and loss of time and energy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "kenwoodfx" > wrote: > > > > > > > > First one. > > > > Really? > > Hmmm. My first guess would have been #87...or #104... > > Oh well. > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ivica Kostić" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > You people look too many SF. > > > > > > > > > I wasn't sure what "SF" meant...so I looked it up on > > > acronymfinder.com and it returned 116 results. > > > > > > Could you please tell me which of the following is the SF you > > > referred to? Thanks... > > > > > > > > > > > > ** SF Science Fiction > > > ** SF Square Foot/Feet > > > ** SF San Francisco (California) > > > ** SF South Africa > > > ** SF Santa Fe (railroad; Argentina province) > > > ** SF Special Forces > > > ** SF Street Fighter (game) > > > ** SF Sunflower (agriculture) > > > ** SF Superfund (CERCLA) > > > ** SF Sinn Fein > > > ** SF Sacrifice Fly (Baseball) > > > ** SF Scale Factor > > > ** SF Sigmund Freud > > > ** SF Safety Factor > > > ** SF Synovial Fluid > > > ** SF Sinking Fund (financial) > > > ** SF Swiss Franc > > > ** SF Saturated Fat > > > ** SF Significant Figures > > > ** SF Sticky Fingers (Rolling Stones album) > > > ** SF Scarlet Fever > > > ** SF Soy Flour > > > ** SF Stowage Factor > > > ** SF Semifinished > > > ** SF Ship Fitter > > > ** SF Speculative Fiction > > > ** SF Seinfeld (TV show) > > > ** SF Socialistisk Folkeparti (Danish political party > > > founded 1959) > > > ** SF State Farm (insurance) > > > ** SF Switchfoot (band) > > > ** SF Six Flags > > > ** SF Spanish Fork > > > ** SF Strike Force > > > ** SF Small Forward (basketball) > > > ** SF Senior Fellow > > > ** SF Source Forge (web site) > > > ** SF San Fierro (fictional gaming city, GTA: San > > > Andreas) > > > ** SF Syphon Filter (video game) > > > ** SF Star Fox (video game) > > > ** SF Super Frame > > > ** SF Soldier Field (Chicago, Illinois) > > > ** SF Senses Fail (band) > > > ** SF Sand Filter > > > ** SF Shining Force (game) > > > ** SF Stock Fund > > > ** SF Step-Father > > > ** SF Selle Francais (France) > > > ** SF Server Farm > > > ** SF Semper Fidelis (US Marine motto; Latin: Always > > > Faithful) > > > ** SF Staple Food > > > ** SF Skyfire (Everquest) > > > ** SF Sluggy Freelance (webcomic) > > > ** SF Scuderia Ferrari (Formula 1 racing team) > > > ** SF Service Feature > > > ** SF Sourceforts (gaming) > > > ** SF Saga Frontier (videogame) > > > ** SF Survivor Function > > > ** SF Standard Form > > > ** SF Smoke(ing) Fetish > > > ** SF Security Forces (USAF) > > > ** SF Special Form > > > ** SF Single Frequency > > > ** SF Spent Fuel > > > ** SF Super Friendly > > > ** SF Star-Fleet > > > ** SF Soft Focus > > > ** SF Support Facility > > > ** SF Shear Force > > > ** SF Svensk Film (Swedish Film) > > > ** SF Softball Field > > > ** SF Slope Factor > > > ** SF Security Function > > > ** SF Shape Factor > > > ** SF Status Field (SS7 MTP Layer 2) > > > ** SF Suomi Finland (Country) > > > ** SF Signal Frequency > > > ** SF Space Filler (philately) > > > ** SF Star Fury (online game) > > > ** SF Sign Flag > > > ** SF Scattering Function > > > ** SF Spayed Female > > > ** SF Space Factor > > > ** SF Server Full > > > ** SF Special Facility > > > * SF Scleroderma Foundation > > > * SF Service & Finance > > > * SF Stellar Frontier (game) > > > * SF Saikou-Fansubs (anime group) > > > * SF Saikou-Fansubs (IRC network) > > > * SF Steel - Face > > > * SF Sick Freak
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
Have Earl or David made any public communications more recently? I would be interested to see how their perspectives change with more time out of the movement. It think it takes years to re-think your relationship with spirituality after leaving such intense involvement. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ivica "Kostiæ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It only makes it more unbelieveable. > > hugheshugo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bill (William)Simmons" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earl Kaplan: The Truth > > > > So you believe that MMY stole some kind of spiritual talisman and > that that is where he gets > > all his spiritual powers? > > > > Me? I don't believe anything I just note that the letter has been > edited probably to make it more believeable. > > > > > > > - > Do you Yahoo!? > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "kenwoodfx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > First one. Really? Hmmm. My first guess would have been #87...or #104... Oh well. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ivica Kostić" > > wrote: > > > > > > You people look too many SF. > > > > > > I wasn't sure what "SF" meant...so I looked it up on > > acronymfinder.com and it returned 116 results. > > > > Could you please tell me which of the following is the SF you > > referred to? Thanks... > > > > > > > > ** SF Science Fiction > > ** SF Square Foot/Feet > > ** SF San Francisco (California) > > ** SF South Africa > > ** SF Santa Fe (railroad; Argentina province) > > ** SF Special Forces > > ** SF Street Fighter (game) > > ** SF Sunflower (agriculture) > > ** SF Superfund (CERCLA) > > ** SF Sinn Fein > > ** SF Sacrifice Fly (Baseball) > > ** SF Scale Factor > > ** SF Sigmund Freud > > ** SF Safety Factor > > ** SF Synovial Fluid > > ** SF Sinking Fund (financial) > > ** SF Swiss Franc > > ** SF Saturated Fat > > ** SF Significant Figures > > ** SF Sticky Fingers (Rolling Stones album) > > ** SF Scarlet Fever > > ** SF Soy Flour > > ** SF Stowage Factor > > ** SF Semifinished > > ** SF Ship Fitter > > ** SF Speculative Fiction > > ** SF Seinfeld (TV show) > > ** SF Socialistisk Folkeparti (Danish political party > > founded 1959) > > ** SF State Farm (insurance) > > ** SF Switchfoot (band) > > ** SF Six Flags > > ** SF Spanish Fork > > ** SF Strike Force > > ** SF Small Forward (basketball) > > ** SF Senior Fellow > > ** SF Source Forge (web site) > > ** SF San Fierro (fictional gaming city, GTA: San > > Andreas) > > ** SF Syphon Filter (video game) > > ** SF Star Fox (video game) > > ** SF Super Frame > > ** SF Soldier Field (Chicago, Illinois) > > ** SF Senses Fail (band) > > ** SF Sand Filter > > ** SF Shining Force (game) > > ** SF Stock Fund > > ** SF Step-Father > > ** SF Selle Francais (France) > > ** SF Server Farm > > ** SF Semper Fidelis (US Marine motto; Latin: Always > > Faithful) > > ** SF Staple Food > > ** SF Skyfire (Everquest) > > ** SF Sluggy Freelance (webcomic) > > ** SF Scuderia Ferrari (Formula 1 racing team) > > ** SF Service Feature > > ** SF Sourceforts (gaming) > > ** SF Saga Frontier (videogame) > > ** SF Survivor Function > > ** SF Standard Form > > ** SF Smoke(ing) Fetish > > ** SF Security Forces (USAF) > > ** SF Special Form > > ** SF Single Frequency > > ** SF Spent Fuel > > ** SF Super Friendly > > ** SF Star-Fleet > > ** SF Soft Focus > > ** SF Support Facility > > ** SF Shear Force > > ** SF Svensk Film (Swedish Film) > > ** SF Softball Field > > ** SF Slope Factor > > ** SF Security Function > > ** SF Shape Factor > > ** SF Status Field (SS7 MTP Layer 2) > > ** SF Suomi Finland (Country) > > ** SF Signal Frequency > > ** SF Space Filler (philately) > > ** SF Star Fury (online game) > > ** SF Sign Flag > > ** SF Scattering Function > > ** SF Spayed Female > > ** SF Space Factor > > ** SF Server Full > > ** SF Special Facility > > * SF Scleroderma Foundation > > * SF Service & Finance > > * SF Stellar Frontier (game) > > * SF Saikou-Fansubs (anime group) > > * SF Saikou-Fansubs (IRC network) > > * SF Steel - Face > > * SF Sick Freak > > * SF Sherwood Foresters (Infantry Regiment of the British > > Army) > > * SF Specialförbund (Sweden) > > SF Splashwater Falls (amusement park ride) > > SF South Fremont (Fremont, California) > > SF Sforzando/Sforzato (music) > > SF Sheepsfoot > > SF Savings Fact
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Quite, but it would be nice to know where the ruby yantra is now. It > would be educational to see what it looked like, anyone got an idea > of how big/small it was. > So you think MMY has it or that there was one in the first place? > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bill (William)Simmons" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earl Kaplan: The Truth > > > > > > So you believe that MMY stole some kind of spiritual talisman and > > that that is where he gets > > > all his spiritual powers? > > > > > > > Me? I don't believe anything I just note that the letter has been > > edited probably to make it more believeable. > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
First one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ivica Kostić" > wrote: > > > > You people look too many SF. > > > I wasn't sure what "SF" meant...so I looked it up on > acronymfinder.com and it returned 116 results. > > Could you please tell me which of the following is the SF you > referred to? Thanks... > > > > ** SF Science Fiction > ** SF Square Foot/Feet > ** SF San Francisco (California) > ** SF South Africa > ** SF Santa Fe (railroad; Argentina province) > ** SF Special Forces > ** SF Street Fighter (game) > ** SF Sunflower (agriculture) > ** SF Superfund (CERCLA) > ** SF Sinn Fein > ** SF Sacrifice Fly (Baseball) > ** SF Scale Factor > ** SF Sigmund Freud > ** SF Safety Factor > ** SF Synovial Fluid > ** SF Sinking Fund (financial) > ** SF Swiss Franc > ** SF Saturated Fat > ** SF Significant Figures > ** SF Sticky Fingers (Rolling Stones album) > ** SF Scarlet Fever > ** SF Soy Flour > ** SF Stowage Factor > ** SF Semifinished > ** SF Ship Fitter > ** SF Speculative Fiction > ** SF Seinfeld (TV show) > ** SF Socialistisk Folkeparti (Danish political party > founded 1959) > ** SF State Farm (insurance) > ** SF Switchfoot (band) > ** SF Six Flags > ** SF Spanish Fork > ** SF Strike Force > ** SF Small Forward (basketball) > ** SF Senior Fellow > ** SF Source Forge (web site) > ** SF San Fierro (fictional gaming city, GTA: San > Andreas) > ** SF Syphon Filter (video game) > ** SF Star Fox (video game) > ** SF Super Frame > ** SF Soldier Field (Chicago, Illinois) > ** SF Senses Fail (band) > ** SF Sand Filter > ** SF Shining Force (game) > ** SF Stock Fund > ** SF Step-Father > ** SF Selle Francais (France) > ** SF Server Farm > ** SF Semper Fidelis (US Marine motto; Latin: Always > Faithful) > ** SF Staple Food > ** SF Skyfire (Everquest) > ** SF Sluggy Freelance (webcomic) > ** SF Scuderia Ferrari (Formula 1 racing team) > ** SF Service Feature > ** SF Sourceforts (gaming) > ** SF Saga Frontier (videogame) > ** SF Survivor Function > ** SF Standard Form > ** SF Smoke(ing) Fetish > ** SF Security Forces (USAF) > ** SF Special Form > ** SF Single Frequency > ** SF Spent Fuel > ** SF Super Friendly > ** SF Star-Fleet > ** SF Soft Focus > ** SF Support Facility > ** SF Shear Force > ** SF Svensk Film (Swedish Film) > ** SF Softball Field > ** SF Slope Factor > ** SF Security Function > ** SF Shape Factor > ** SF Status Field (SS7 MTP Layer 2) > ** SF Suomi Finland (Country) > ** SF Signal Frequency > ** SF Space Filler (philately) > ** SF Star Fury (online game) > ** SF Sign Flag > ** SF Scattering Function > ** SF Spayed Female > ** SF Space Factor > ** SF Server Full > ** SF Special Facility > * SF Scleroderma Foundation > * SF Service & Finance > * SF Stellar Frontier (game) > * SF Saikou-Fansubs (anime group) > * SF Saikou-Fansubs (IRC network) > * SF Steel - Face > * SF Sick Freak > * SF Sherwood Foresters (Infantry Regiment of the British > Army) > * SF Specialförbund (Sweden) > SF Splashwater Falls (amusement park ride) > SF South Fremont (Fremont, California) > SF Sforzando/Sforzato (music) > SF Sheepsfoot > SF Savings Factor > SF Source Factor > SF Soy Based Formula > SF Simple Formulation > SF Suomi Filmi (Finnish Film) > SF Shadow's Fall (band) > SF Synthetic Forces (US government simulation > community) > SF Speed Freeks (band) > SF Spikelet Fertility > SF Shivan Fighter
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ivica Kostić" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You people look too many SF. I wasn't sure what "SF" meant...so I looked it up on acronymfinder.com and it returned 116 results. Could you please tell me which of the following is the SF you referred to? Thanks... ** SF Science Fiction ** SF Square Foot/Feet ** SF San Francisco (California) ** SF South Africa ** SF Santa Fe (railroad; Argentina province) ** SF Special Forces ** SF Street Fighter (game) ** SF Sunflower (agriculture) ** SF Superfund (CERCLA) ** SF Sinn Fein ** SF Sacrifice Fly (Baseball) ** SF Scale Factor ** SF Sigmund Freud ** SF Safety Factor ** SF Synovial Fluid ** SF Sinking Fund (financial) ** SF Swiss Franc ** SF Saturated Fat ** SF Significant Figures ** SF Sticky Fingers (Rolling Stones album) ** SF Scarlet Fever ** SF Soy Flour ** SF Stowage Factor ** SF Semifinished ** SF Ship Fitter ** SF Speculative Fiction ** SF Seinfeld (TV show) ** SF Socialistisk Folkeparti (Danish political party founded 1959) ** SF State Farm (insurance) ** SF Switchfoot (band) ** SF Six Flags ** SF Spanish Fork ** SF Strike Force ** SF Small Forward (basketball) ** SF Senior Fellow ** SF Source Forge (web site) ** SF San Fierro (fictional gaming city, GTA: San Andreas) ** SF Syphon Filter (video game) ** SF Star Fox (video game) ** SF Super Frame ** SF Soldier Field (Chicago, Illinois) ** SF Senses Fail (band) ** SF Sand Filter ** SF Shining Force (game) ** SF Stock Fund ** SF Step-Father ** SF Selle Francais (France) ** SF Server Farm ** SF Semper Fidelis (US Marine motto; Latin: Always Faithful) ** SF Staple Food ** SF Skyfire (Everquest) ** SF Sluggy Freelance (webcomic) ** SF Scuderia Ferrari (Formula 1 racing team) ** SF Service Feature ** SF Sourceforts (gaming) ** SF Saga Frontier (videogame) ** SF Survivor Function ** SF Standard Form ** SF Smoke(ing) Fetish ** SF Security Forces (USAF) ** SF Special Form ** SF Single Frequency ** SF Spent Fuel ** SF Super Friendly ** SF Star-Fleet ** SF Soft Focus ** SF Support Facility ** SF Shear Force ** SF Svensk Film (Swedish Film) ** SF Softball Field ** SF Slope Factor ** SF Security Function ** SF Shape Factor ** SF Status Field (SS7 MTP Layer 2) ** SF Suomi Finland (Country) ** SF Signal Frequency ** SF Space Filler (philately) ** SF Star Fury (online game) ** SF Sign Flag ** SF Scattering Function ** SF Spayed Female ** SF Space Factor ** SF Server Full ** SF Special Facility * SF Scleroderma Foundation * SF Service & Finance * SF Stellar Frontier (game) * SF Saikou-Fansubs (anime group) * SF Saikou-Fansubs (IRC network) * SF Steel - Face * SF Sick Freak * SF Sherwood Foresters (Infantry Regiment of the British Army) * SF Specialförbund (Sweden) SF Splashwater Falls (amusement park ride) SF South Fremont (Fremont, California) SF Sforzando/Sforzato (music) SF Sheepsfoot SF Savings Factor SF Source Factor SF Soy Based Formula SF Simple Formulation SF Suomi Filmi (Finnish Film) SF Shadow's Fall (band) SF Synthetic Forces (US government simulation community) SF Speed Freeks (band) SF Spikelet Fertility SF Shivan Fighter (gaming) SF Sanitary Fair (philately) SF Supplementary Firing SF Synchronization Flag SF Secondary Feeder SF Sandford Flemming building (University of Toronto) SF Sacramental Fusion (band) SF Sound & Flash SF
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
It only makes it more unbelieveable.hugheshugo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bill (William)Simmons" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Earl Kaplan: The Truth > > So you believe that MMY stole some kind of spiritual talisman and that that is where he gets > all his spiritual powers? > Me? I don't believe anything I just note that the letter has been edited probably to make it more believeable. Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
You people look too many SF.authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" ...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bill (William)Simmons" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I found that rather interesting too. > > I think it has been edited though, I am sure the first time I read > this somewhere else it was claimed that MMY murdered Guru Dev and > stole a possesion of his which gave him control over others. Which, > I thought, was so far fetched it completely undermined the rest of > his argument. Is my memory faulty? You mean this? 2. There are many strange events around Guru Dev´s death. The real current Shankaracharya and Guru Dev´s nephew and two Swami´s independent of each other had very similar stories. It is believed that Mahesh had Guru Dev poisoned. During the funeral he then went back to Jyotir Math and stole the most powerful spiritual artifact Guru Dev had created, a gold and jeweled Shri Yantra. Mahesh, after traveling throughout India, found a man who could activate the outer portions of the Shri Yantra. This gave Mahesh certain occult powers and control over certain astral beings. Mahesh then created a meditation technique and certain mantras that would help people blank their minds. In this blank state (which has nothing to do with transcendence that is talked about in the yoga sutras) these astral beings would brainwash these meditators into certain beliefs and certain actions. In addition, Mahesh would put blocks on people´s nervous systems to block their Kundalini from firing and to siphon off their energy. This is from the letter Bill just posted. How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Quite, but it would be nice to know where the ruby yantra is now. It > would be educational to see what it looked like, anyone got an idea > of how big/small it was. Hi, Paul, when I was in India in the 70's I met many people who had known, visited, paid respect to and even talked to Guru Dev. They would only roll their eyes and say it was too beautiful to talk about, meeting and being around Guru Dev, that is. They wouldn't talk about him beyond that They acknowledged that they also remembered Mahesh back then, too. But they didn't roll their eyes and simply refused to talk about him. Personally, I think Mahesh nicked the yantra, prized out the rubies and whatever other precious stones it might have contained, sold it all and started a bank account. Or, just as reasonably, the present Shankaracharya of Jyotia has it. Or, maybe one of Guru Dev's family collected it? Or, it went into the box with him, into the Ganges ... or maybe that's why Mahesh jumped in after the box, he wanted to get the yantra out. Or, some other scenario. India has many jewel dealers. A friend from Switzerland came to visit me when I was in India because he was buying and selling precious stones. Apparently it's quite easy to deal in such things in India because there aren't so many questions asked. At least there weren't then. Surely it wouldn't be too difficult to do some research into yantras and other Indian antiquities to get a feeling for what size such things might be. It seems reasonable that it was smallish, easy to carry around. Maybe it was about the size of some of the common Tibetan ritual implements we see at empowerments and such? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
There's no place like OM, there's no place like OM, there's no place like OM! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" > wrote: > > > > Quite, but it would be nice to know where the ruby yantra is now. > It > > would be educational to see what it looked like, anyone got an > idea > > of how big/small it was. > > > > I think they're about a young girl's size 6. > > I think they were bought at one of those movie trivia auctions that > they have every now and then. > > But I read somewhere that they made several pairs for Judy Garland > that they used while filming. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bill (William)Simmons" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earl Kaplan: The Truth > > > > > > > > So you believe that MMY stole some kind of spiritual talisman > and > > > that that is where he gets > > > > all his spiritual powers? > > > > > > > > > > Me? I don't believe anything I just note that the letter has > been > > > edited probably to make it more believeable. > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Quite, but it would be nice to know where the ruby yantra is now. It > would be educational to see what it looked like, anyone got an idea > of how big/small it was. I think they're about a young girl's size 6. I think they were bought at one of those movie trivia auctions that they have every now and then. But I read somewhere that they made several pairs for Judy Garland that they used while filming. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bill (William)Simmons" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earl Kaplan: The Truth > > > > > > So you believe that MMY stole some kind of spiritual talisman and > > that that is where he gets > > > all his spiritual powers? > > > > > > > Me? I don't believe anything I just note that the letter has been > > edited probably to make it more believeable. > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bill (William)Simmons" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earl Kaplan: The Truth > > > > > > So you believe that MMY stole some kind of spiritual talisman > > > and that that is where he gets all his spiritual powers? > > > > > > > Me? I don't believe anything I just note that the letter has been > > edited probably to make it more believeable. > > This Bill William Simmons did that? The part HughesHugo said had been edited out is actually still in what Bill posted. The thing is very hard to read all in one long paragraph like that, so maybe his eye just skipped over it and he thought it was missing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bill (William)Simmons" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I found that rather interesting too. > > I think it has been edited though, I am sure the first time I read > this somewhere else it was claimed that MMY murdered Guru Dev and > stole a possesion of his which gave him control over others. Which, > I thought, was so far fetched it completely undermined the rest of > his argument. Is my memory faulty? You mean this? 2. There are many strange events around Guru Dev´s death. The real current Shankaracharya and Guru Dev´s nephew and two Swami´s independent of each other had very similar stories. It is believed that Mahesh had Guru Dev poisoned. During the funeral he then went back to Jyotir Math and stole the most powerful spiritual artifact Guru Dev had created, a gold and jeweled Shri Yantra. Mahesh, after traveling throughout India, found a man who could activate the outer portions of the Shri Yantra. This gave Mahesh certain occult powers and control over certain astral beings. Mahesh then created a meditation technique and certain mantras that would help people blank their minds. In this blank state (which has nothing to do with transcendence that is talked about in the yoga sutras) these astral beings would brainwash these meditators into certain beliefs and certain actions. In addition, Mahesh would put blocks on people´s nervous systems to block their Kundalini from firing and to siphon off their energy. This is from the letter Bill just posted. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bill (William)Simmons" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earl Kaplan: The Truth > > > > So you believe that MMY stole some kind of spiritual talisman and > that that is where he gets > > all his spiritual powers? > > > > Me? I don't believe anything I just note that the letter has been > edited probably to make it more believeable. This Bill William Simmons did that ? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
Quite, but it would be nice to know where the ruby yantra is now. It would be educational to see what it looked like, anyone got an idea of how big/small it was. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bill (William)Simmons" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earl Kaplan: The Truth > > > > So you believe that MMY stole some kind of spiritual talisman and > that that is where he gets > > all his spiritual powers? > > > > Me? I don't believe anything I just note that the letter has been > edited probably to make it more believeable. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bill (William)Simmons" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Earl Kaplan: The Truth > > So you believe that MMY stole some kind of spiritual talisman and that that is where he gets > all his spiritual powers? > Me? I don't believe anything I just note that the letter has been edited probably to make it more believeable. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bill > > (William) > > > > > > > Simmons" > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earl Kaplan: The Truth April 16, 2004 Dear > > > > residents of > > > > > > > > > Fairfield, > > > > > > > > > > > > Heavenly Mountain, the Spiritual Center, and > > > > whomever > > > > > > else > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vaj is exposed as a liar, then out of the > > woodworks > > > > comes > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > William Simmons. This fellow has a different style > > but > > > > the > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > agenda. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Very* different style, WAY too different to be > > > > > > > > > > the same person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My point is that there is, has always been, a > > coordinated > > > > > > effort > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > discredit Maharishi and TM. Vaj had, suddenly, to take > > a > > > > > > > vacation > > > > > > > > > because he was seen as who he was; a liar in the > > clothing > > > > of a > > > > > > > > former > > > > > > > > > TM-er and a Buddist. I'm not saying they are the same > > > > person, > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > that they have the same agenda and are probably on the > > > > same > > > > > > > > payroll. > > > > > > > > > Guess which. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Too many woo-woo rays for you nablus108! Although Vaj > > and > > > > Bill > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > (or may not) know each other, I sincerely doubt there is > > > > some > > > > > > > formal > > > > > > > > effort going on here. Just seems like a couple of > > > > disgruntled > > > > > > > folks > > > > > > > > is all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any organisation that would go to the trouble of either > > > > spending > > > > > > > money or coordinating activities to discredit MMY or the > > TMO > > > > are > > > > > > > wasting their time and money. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why? Because with nutcases like nablus around spewing > > their > > > > silly > > > > > > > conspiracy theories, the TMO gets discredited all by > > itself > > > > > > without > > > > > > > any help from anyone. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amen. > > > > > > Ingegerd> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is scary, in a silly sort of way, is that there really IS > > a > > > > conspiracy against TM. > > > > > scientia.org, which teaches a "TM-like" technique in Italy > > and > > > > has affiliated teachers in the > > > > > USA, sponsors the archive of trancenet.org. > > > > > > > > > > > > ...and how, pray tell, would that be a conspiracy against TM? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eh. They're a rival mediation-teaching organization that pays a > > few dollars a year to keep > > > anti-TM information available on the net. > > > > > > > > > ...and that's a conspiracy how? > > > > It's not their official website. ...and that a conspiracy makes? Listen, you and nablus should go into business together. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bill > (William) > > > > > > Simmons" > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earl Kaplan: The Truth April 16, 2004 Dear > > > residents of > > > > > > > > Fairfield, > > > > > > > > > > > Heavenly Mountain, the Spiritual Center, and > > > whomever > > > > > else > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vaj is exposed as a liar, then out of the > woodworks > > > comes > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > William Simmons. This fellow has a different style > but > > > the > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > agenda. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Very* different style, WAY too different to be > > > > > > > > > the same person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My point is that there is, has always been, a > coordinated > > > > > effort > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > discredit Maharishi and TM. Vaj had, suddenly, to take > a > > > > > > vacation > > > > > > > > because he was seen as who he was; a liar in the > clothing > > > of a > > > > > > > former > > > > > > > > TM-er and a Buddist. I'm not saying they are the same > > > person, > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > that they have the same agenda and are probably on the > > > same > > > > > > > payroll. > > > > > > > > Guess which. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Too many woo-woo rays for you nablus108! Although Vaj > and > > > Bill > > > > > may > > > > > > > (or may not) know each other, I sincerely doubt there is > > > some > > > > > > formal > > > > > > > effort going on here. Just seems like a couple of > > > disgruntled > > > > > > folks > > > > > > > is all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any organisation that would go to the trouble of either > > > spending > > > > > > money or coordinating activities to discredit MMY or the > TMO > > > are > > > > > > wasting their time and money. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why? Because with nutcases like nablus around spewing > their > > > silly > > > > > > conspiracy theories, the TMO gets discredited all by > itself > > > > > without > > > > > > any help from anyone. > > > > > > > > > > Amen. > > > > > Ingegerd> > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is scary, in a silly sort of way, is that there really IS > a > > > conspiracy against TM. > > > > scientia.org, which teaches a "TM-like" technique in Italy > and > > > has affiliated teachers in the > > > > USA, sponsors the archive of trancenet.org. > > > > > > > > > ...and how, pray tell, would that be a conspiracy against TM? > > > > > > > > > > > Eh. They're a rival mediation-teaching organization that pays a > few dollars a year to keep > > anti-TM information available on the net. > > > > > ...and that's a conspiracy how? > It's not their official website. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- jim_flanegin wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- hugheshugo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bill > > > > > > > (William)Simmons" > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found that rather interesting too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it has been edited though, I am sure the > > > > > > > first time I read this > > > > > > > somewhere else it was claimed that MMY murdered > > > > > Guru > > > > > > > Dev and stole a > > > > > > > possesion of his which gave him control over > > > > > others. > > > > > > > Which, I thought, > > > > > > > was so far fetched it completely undermined the > > > > > rest > > > > > > > of his argument. > > > > > > > Is my memory faulty? > > > > > > > > > > > > The item in question was a ruby encrusted Sri > > > > > Yantra. > > > > > > But, as you note, the idea that MMY would murder > > > > > Guru > > > > > > Dev is pretty difficult to swallow. > > > > > > > > > > Yep, as I've mentioned before, it was Guru Dev who > > > > > killed Mahesh, > > > > > not the other way round... > > > > > > > > Heeheeheee;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you meet the Shiva on the road, hill him? > > > > > > Spare Egg, if you met Shiva on the road, Shiva would kill himself. > > > > H... Was that meant as a complement? To Shiva, not to you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bill (William) > > > > > Simmons" > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earl Kaplan: The Truth April 16, 2004 Dear > > residents of > > > > > > > Fairfield, > > > > > > > > > > Heavenly Mountain, the Spiritual Center, and > > whomever > > > > else > > > > > > may > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vaj is exposed as a liar, then out of the woodworks > > comes > > > > > > this > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > William Simmons. This fellow has a different style but > > the > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > agenda. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Very* different style, WAY too different to be > > > > > > > > the same person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My point is that there is, has always been, a coordinated > > > > effort > > > > > > to > > > > > > > discredit Maharishi and TM. Vaj had, suddenly, to take a > > > > > vacation > > > > > > > because he was seen as who he was; a liar in the clothing > > of a > > > > > > former > > > > > > > TM-er and a Buddist. I'm not saying they are the same > > person, > > > > > only > > > > > > > that they have the same agenda and are probably on the > > same > > > > > > payroll. > > > > > > > Guess which. > > > > > > > > > > > > Too many woo-woo rays for you nablus108! Although Vaj and > > Bill > > > > may > > > > > > (or may not) know each other, I sincerely doubt there is > > some > > > > > formal > > > > > > effort going on here. Just seems like a couple of > > disgruntled > > > > > folks > > > > > > is all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any organisation that would go to the trouble of either > > spending > > > > > money or coordinating activities to discredit MMY or the TMO > > are > > > > > wasting their time and money. > > > > > > > > > > Why? Because with nutcases like nablus around spewing their > > silly > > > > > conspiracy theories, the TMO gets discredited all by itself > > > > without > > > > > any help from anyone. > > > > > > > > Amen. > > > > Ingegerd> > > > > > > > > > > What is scary, in a silly sort of way, is that there really IS a > > conspiracy against TM. > > > scientia.org, which teaches a "TM-like" technique in Italy and > > has affiliated teachers in the > > > USA, sponsors the archive of trancenet.org. > > > > > > ...and how, pray tell, would that be a conspiracy against TM? > > > > > > > Eh. They're a rival mediation-teaching organization that pays a few dollars a year to keep > anti-TM information available on the net. > ...and that's a conspiracy how? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bill (William) > > > > Simmons" > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earl Kaplan: The Truth April 16, 2004 Dear residents > > of > > > > > > Fairfield, > > > > > > > > > Heavenly Mountain, the Spiritual Center, and whomever > > > else > > > > > may > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vaj is exposed as a liar, then out of the woodworks > > comes > > > > > this > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > William Simmons. This fellow has a different style but > > the > > > > > same > > > > > > > > agenda. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Very* different style, WAY too different to be > > > > > > > the same person. > > > > > > > > > > > > My point is that there is, has always been, a coordinated > > > effort > > > > > to > > > > > > discredit Maharishi and TM. Vaj had, suddenly, to take a > > > > vacation > > > > > > because he was seen as who he was; a liar in the clothing > of > > a > > > > > former > > > > > > TM-er and a Buddist. I'm not saying they are the same > > person, > > > > only > > > > > > that they have the same agenda and are probably on the same > > > > > payroll. > > > > > > Guess which. > > > > > > > > > > Too many woo-woo rays for you nablus108! Although Vaj and > Bill > > > may > > > > > (or may not) know each other, I sincerely doubt there is some > > > > formal > > > > > effort going on here. Just seems like a couple of disgruntled > > > > folks > > > > > is all. > > > > > > > > > > > > Any organisation that would go to the trouble of either > spending > > > > money or coordinating activities to discredit MMY or the TMO > are > > > > wasting their time and money. > > > > > > > > Why? Because with nutcases like nablus around spewing their > > silly > > > > conspiracy theories, the TMO gets discredited all by itself > > without > > > > any help from anyone. > > > > > > Haha. I was just waiting for that comment, it had to > materialize. > > > However, since you think that governmental activities directed > > > against the Movement is ridicelous you prove to be historically > > > challenged. Numerous attempts on Maharishis life has escaped you. > > > Wait until Nankishore takes over the TM-Movement - the old fire > > will > > > start again. > > > > > > I would like nothing more than to stand corrected, nablus. > > > > Please, please provide us with: > > > > 1) documentation and proof that there have been governmental > > activities directed against the Movement. > > :Armed , American gunman was stopped by WYHMS on bridge to Kulm. What is WYHMS? And what and where is "Kulm"...is that one of the hotels the movement owns in Seelisberg? And if so, what bridge? > > > > 2) documentation and proof that there have been numerous attempts > on > > Maharishi's life. > > : 1 airplane was blown upp on a Swiss airstrip. When was an airplane blown up? What date and/or year? Whose airplane was it...the movement? Who blew it up? Was there a police report? Was it reported in the media? . Hotels with CCP's, > Philipines, 1984 was arsoned. ...and there is a police report to this that specifically says that TMO people were targeted? > > > > 3) documentation and proof that the CIA has infiltrated the TMO. > > India 1982: Groups of american Purusha is touring the country. Prior > to their coming to a community local officials recieves a telephone > call. The caller said; do not trust these people. The caller was a > Purusha, no one else could know the timing. Huh? An anonymous telephone call and this is your proof that the CIA infiltrated the TMO? Are you serious? > > This is just a continuing story. When Maharishi heard of the american > Purusha story from India, returning to Boppard in 1982, he said; why > don't you just stand upp; proclaim your duty to your country. (then > gave a long discourse on patriotism.) The agents kept quiet. Some > good americans wept. I asked you for documentation or proof that the CIA had infiltrated the TMO, not MMY's ranting that it had happened. Again, I ask you: what is the documentation or proof that the CIA had infiltrated the TMO? > > Have no naive ideas
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > People like you, me and Barry type about as fast as we can talk (I > suspect). A lot of people are more thoughtful in their responses > because they have to take longer to type it in anyway. LOL! You're probably quite right. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > You'd have to be an exceptionally skilled writer to > > > > > come up with Vaj's style (which he's maintained for > > > > > several years now on alt.m.t and FFL) *and* Bill's > > > > > style (neither of which, presumably, is your own > > > > > *real* style). > > > > > > > > So what is MY "real style" of writing? This is more like my > > > > style of talking as far as I can tell. I don't edit save for > > > > spelling and occassionally grammar if I catch it. > > > > > > What's the relevance of your question, exactly? > > > > Just wondering if you can identify a speaking style as opposed to a > > writing style. > > If it's written down, it *becomes* a writing style, > so my comments above would still apply. You may > well have a different writing style when you're > writing formally, though. > I tend to reread a LOT more and try to tighten the language. Certainly, spelling errors aren't nearly as common. > I think many if not most of us who post on electronic > forums adopt a more conversational tone unless we're > posting an essay-type thing, and especially when > we're posting in a back-and-forth sort of exchange. > People like you, me and Barry type about as fast as we can talk (I suspect). A lot of people are more thoughtful in their responses because they have to take longer to type it in anyway. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 8/15/06 4:10 PM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Pah, only someone who was on the payroll themselves would pretend > > they're not on the > >> > payroll > >> > > > > > Nice one. > > > I guess that means we¹re all on the payroll. > You're trying to confuse me... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bill (William) > > > > Simmons" > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earl Kaplan: The Truth April 16, 2004 Dear > residents of > > > > > > Fairfield, > > > > > > > > > Heavenly Mountain, the Spiritual Center, and > whomever > > > else > > > > > may > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vaj is exposed as a liar, then out of the woodworks > comes > > > > > this > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > William Simmons. This fellow has a different style but > the > > > > > same > > > > > > > > agenda. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Very* different style, WAY too different to be > > > > > > > the same person. > > > > > > > > > > > > My point is that there is, has always been, a coordinated > > > effort > > > > > to > > > > > > discredit Maharishi and TM. Vaj had, suddenly, to take a > > > > vacation > > > > > > because he was seen as who he was; a liar in the clothing > of a > > > > > former > > > > > > TM-er and a Buddist. I'm not saying they are the same > person, > > > > only > > > > > > that they have the same agenda and are probably on the > same > > > > > payroll. > > > > > > Guess which. > > > > > > > > > > Too many woo-woo rays for you nablus108! Although Vaj and > Bill > > > may > > > > > (or may not) know each other, I sincerely doubt there is > some > > > > formal > > > > > effort going on here. Just seems like a couple of > disgruntled > > > > folks > > > > > is all. > > > > > > > > > > > > Any organisation that would go to the trouble of either > spending > > > > money or coordinating activities to discredit MMY or the TMO > are > > > > wasting their time and money. > > > > > > > > Why? Because with nutcases like nablus around spewing their > silly > > > > conspiracy theories, the TMO gets discredited all by itself > > > without > > > > any help from anyone. > > > > > > Amen. > > > Ingegerd> > > > > > > > What is scary, in a silly sort of way, is that there really IS a > conspiracy against TM. > > scientia.org, which teaches a "TM-like" technique in Italy and > has affiliated teachers in the > > USA, sponsors the archive of trancenet.org. > > > ...and how, pray tell, would that be a conspiracy against TM? > > > Eh. They're a rival mediation-teaching organization that pays a few dollars a year to keep anti-TM information available on the net. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- jim_flanegin wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- hugheshugo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bill > > > > > > (William)Simmons" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found that rather interesting too. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it has been edited though, I am sure the > > > > > > first time I read this > > > > > > somewhere else it was claimed that MMY murdered > > > > Guru > > > > > > Dev and stole a > > > > > > possesion of his which gave him control over > > > > others. > > > > > > Which, I thought, > > > > > > was so far fetched it completely undermined the > > > > rest > > > > > > of his argument. > > > > > > Is my memory faulty? > > > > > > > > > > The item in question was a ruby encrusted Sri > > > > Yantra. > > > > > But, as you note, the idea that MMY would murder > > > > Guru > > > > > Dev is pretty difficult to swallow. > > > > > > > > Yep, as I've mentioned before, it was Guru Dev who > > > > killed Mahesh, > > > > not the other way round... > > > > > > Heeheeheee;-) > > > > > > > > > > If you meet the Shiva on the road, hill him? > > > Spare Egg, if you met Shiva on the road, Shiva would kill himself. > H... Was that meant as a complement? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > You'd have to be an exceptionally skilled writer to > > > > come up with Vaj's style (which he's maintained for > > > > several years now on alt.m.t and FFL) *and* Bill's > > > > style (neither of which, presumably, is your own > > > > *real* style). > > > > > > So what is MY "real style" of writing? This is more like my > > > style of talking as far as I can tell. I don't edit save for > > > spelling and occassionally grammar if I catch it. > > > > What's the relevance of your question, exactly? > > Just wondering if you can identify a speaking style as opposed to a > writing style. If it's written down, it *becomes* a writing style, so my comments above would still apply. You may well have a different writing style when you're writing formally, though. I think many if not most of us who post on electronic forums adopt a more conversational tone unless we're posting an essay-type thing, and especially when we're posting in a back-and-forth sort of exchange. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bill (William) > > > Simmons" > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earl Kaplan: The Truth April 16, 2004 Dear residents > of > > > > > Fairfield, > > > > > > > > Heavenly Mountain, the Spiritual Center, and whomever > > else > > > > may > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vaj is exposed as a liar, then out of the woodworks > comes > > > > this > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > William Simmons. This fellow has a different style but > the > > > > same > > > > > > > agenda. > > > > > > > > > > > > *Very* different style, WAY too different to be > > > > > > the same person. > > > > > > > > > > My point is that there is, has always been, a coordinated > > effort > > > > to > > > > > discredit Maharishi and TM. Vaj had, suddenly, to take a > > > vacation > > > > > because he was seen as who he was; a liar in the clothing of > a > > > > former > > > > > TM-er and a Buddist. I'm not saying they are the same > person, > > > only > > > > > that they have the same agenda and are probably on the same > > > > payroll. > > > > > Guess which. > > > > > > > > Too many woo-woo rays for you nablus108! Although Vaj and Bill > > may > > > > (or may not) know each other, I sincerely doubt there is some > > > formal > > > > effort going on here. Just seems like a couple of disgruntled > > > folks > > > > is all. > > > > > > > > > Any organisation that would go to the trouble of either spending > > > money or coordinating activities to discredit MMY or the TMO are > > > wasting their time and money. > > > > > > Why? Because with nutcases like nablus around spewing their > silly > > > conspiracy theories, the TMO gets discredited all by itself > without > > > any help from anyone. > > > > Haha. I was just waiting for that comment, it had to materialize. > > However, since you think that governmental activities directed > > against the Movement is ridicelous you prove to be historically > > challenged. Numerous attempts on Maharishis life has escaped you. > > Wait until Nankishore takes over the TM-Movement - the old fire > will > > start again. > > > I would like nothing more than to stand corrected, nablus. > > Please, please provide us with: > > 1) documentation and proof that there have been governmental > activities directed against the Movement. :Armed , American gunman was stopped by WYHMS on bridge to Kulm. > > 2) documentation and proof that there have been numerous attempts on > Maharishi's life. : 1 airplane was blown upp on a Swiss airstrip. Hotels with CCP's, Philipines, 1984 was arsoned. > > 3) documentation and proof that the CIA has infiltrated the TMO. India 1982: Groups of american Purusha is touring the country. Prior to their coming to a community local officials recieves a telephone call. The caller said; do not trust these people. The caller was a Purusha, no one else could know the timing. This is just a continuing story. When Maharishi heard of the american Purusha story from India, returning to Boppard in 1982, he said; why don't you just stand upp; proclaim your duty to your country. (then gave a long discourse on patriotism.) The agents kept quiet. Some good americans wept. Have no naive ideas about the dark forces of the past not being engaged in trying to redicule Maharishis Movement ! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Vaj is exposed as a liar, then out of the woodworks comes this > > > > > Bill William Simmons. This fellow has a different style but > the > > > > > same agenda. > > > > > > > > *Very* different style, WAY too different to be > > > > the same person. > > > > > > My point is that there is, has always been, a coordinated effort > to > > > discredit Maharishi and TM. Vaj had, suddenly, to take a vacation > > > because he was seen as who he was; a liar in the clothing of a > > > former TM-er and a Buddist. I'm not saying they are the same > > > person, only that they have the same agenda and are probably on > the > > > same payroll. Guess which. > > > > Haven't a clue whose you think it might be, sorry. > > > > I find the allegation rather amusing, since the > > anti-TMers on alt.m.t were constantly claiming I > > was paid by the movement for my alt.m.t > > participation. > > Nice :-) Thats because in their universe, eveything has to > translate into cash. Unlike in your universe, you mean? > They could not understand why you wanted to be clean. No, the idea was that since I was purportedly being paid, whatever I was saying couldn't be trusted. I was a flack, a shill, a PR front person, according to them, not someone who was genuinely committed to TM. It was a way of trying to discredit me without actually addressing my views--exactly the same way you're trying to discredit Vaj and Bill. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 8/15/06 4:10 PM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Pah, only someone who was on the payroll themselves would pretend > > they're not on the > >> > payroll > >> > > > > > Nice one. > > > I guess that means we¹re all on the payroll. > Shh... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
