[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
Per the comments on perceiving the finest Relative, aka GC, I personally think one of the purposes of such experience is to: 1. Confound the small ego by providing it with an unfathomable experience, leading it astray from the comfort of boundaries, and 2: At the same time ensnare the heart with the beauty and wonder and love of the experience, that it too is enlisted as an ally against the small self in the march towards Oneness. As far as the danger involved in such experiences, we have all been taught to go for the highest first, so the danger is an illusion if we are going for the highest first. Thanks, Jim --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The danger is that along the way one starts to lose the purity side of the teaching and just stays with the rituals, hence losing the purity of the knowledge. Brahman, G-D, infinity has no shape or form and rituals are just golden cage of samsara at the best case. Absolutely true that seeing or appreciating yagyas and rituals as outside the Self will tend (at best) to be an expression of god- consciousness, not Brahman. (Not true that in themselves they will bar one from Brahman, which cannot be obtained or lost, only Understood or ignored; god-consciousness -- like any other state -- is no real barrier to Brahman; only attachment to it is.) Like these yagyas, seeing MMY, Guru Dev, and the purity of the teaching as outside the Self will also (at best) tend to be an expression of god-consciousness, not Brahman, and (if you like) tend to reinforce the golden cage of samsara. (Though again, there is no golden cage of samsara, per se -- only a habit or belief that there is.) No one out there can really give us Brahman; it can (probably) only be surrendered into/conquered by a tiny/colossal step of egolessness/Egomania, denying the illusion of the self-other dilemma and embracing/accepting the Whole -- what IS. I think our friend need to check where his focus and attention goes. Yes, perhaps we all do, and one could perhaps make a case that without at least some attention on and somatose appreciation of the celestial qualities of the Other, it would appear highly unlikely that one would ever consider the Other worth unifying with or embracing. A Brahman without the Heart is a pretty poor Brahman! :-) The beauty of focus and attention is it gives us precisely what we need at any point in our Life -- whether it be the sweetly powerful electromagnetic soma-flows of god-consciousness, or the Understanding that all is Self in the perfection of what IS, or both simultaneously, or neither, or even the lovely embrace of deepest, blackest Sleep...it's all good, all just a matter of focus and attention. With that in mind, I would like to apologize to Akasha for denying what I perceived as his golden appreciation of Peter in K.C. While perhaps true in the deepest sense that this perception was a projection -- so what? At least it is celestial, glorious -- and so if Akasha were not to deny that perception but rather to take credit for it, embrace it All -- then in what way is god-consciousness a barrier to Brahman? Perhaps rather it is the single missing piece of the puzzle (if indeed there ever could be such)! Jai Guru Dev in each of Us To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The danger is that along the way one starts to lose the purity side of the teaching and just stays with the rituals, hence losing the purity of the knowledge. Brahman, G-D, infinity has no shape or form and rituals are just golden cage of samsara at the best case. Absolutely true that seeing or appreciating yagyas and rituals as outside the Self will tend (at best) to be an expression of god- consciousness, not Brahman. (Not true that in themselves they will bar one from Brahman, which cannot be obtained or lost, only Understood or ignored; god-consciousness -- like any other state -- is no real barrier to Brahman; only attachment to it is.) Like these yagyas, seeing MMY, Guru Dev, and the purity of the teaching as outside the Self will also (at best) tend to be an expression of god-consciousness, not Brahman, and (if you like) tend to reinforce the golden cage of samsara. (Though again, there is no golden cage of samsara, per se -- only a habit or belief that there is.) No one out there can really give us Brahman; it can (probably) only be surrendered into/conquered by a tiny/colossal step of egolessness/Egomania, denying the illusion of the self-other dilemma and embracing/accepting the Whole -- what IS. I think our friend need to check where his focus and attention goes. Yes, perhaps we all do, and one could perhaps make a case that without at least some attention on and somatose appreciation of the celestial qualities of the Other, it would appear highly unlikely that one would ever consider the Other worth unifying with or embracing. A Brahman without the Heart is a pretty poor Brahman! :-) The beauty of focus and attention is it gives us precisely what we need at any point in our Life -- whether it be the sweetly powerful electromagnetic soma-flows of god-consciousness, or the Understanding that all is Self in the perfection of what IS, or both simultaneously, or neither, or even the lovely embrace of deepest, blackest Sleep...it's all good, all just a matter of focus and attention. With that in mind, I would like to apologize to Akasha for denying what I perceived as his golden appreciation of Peter in K.C. While perhaps true in the deepest sense that this perception was a projection -- so what? At least it is celestial, glorious -- and so if Akasha were not to deny that perception but rather to take credit for it, embrace it All -- then in what way is god-consciousness a barrier to Brahman? Perhaps rather it is the single missing piece of the puzzle (if indeed there ever could be such)! Jai Guru Dev in each of Us To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
--- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: respectfully. Perhaps you mean to say here, disrespectfully. Let's be honest, please. you have decided to twist my words shamefully as above, which brings me to the conclusion that replying your post will be wasting my time. Therefore take it as you wish. Anon, I have no intentention of twisting your words. You admonish someone for doing something that has nothing to do with you all under the heading of purity of the teaching. This seed is the start of spiritual fascism. If idol worship, as you call this, bothers you, then you should not do it. Admonishing Ben with scenerios of what could happen is ridiculous. What could happen hasn't happened, what has happened is nothing! Purity of the teaching rests in consciousness, not in outward behaviors. -Peter To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Anon, I have no intentention of twisting your words. You admonish someone for doing something that has nothing to do with you all under the heading of purity of the teaching. This seed is the start of spiritual fascism. If idol worship, as you call this, bothers you, then you should not do it. Admonishing Ben with scenerios of what could happen is ridiculous. What could happen hasn't happened, what has happened is nothing! Purity of the teaching rests in consciousness, not in outward behaviors. -Peter You should take up archery. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or rub ghee on my poor pitta head! Gotta keep that Shivalingam well-oiled, hey, Peter? Upon this Rock will I build my church :-) Thus saith the Messiah, the Anointed One :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
on 4/17/05 8:42 AM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anon, I have no intentention of twisting your words. You admonish someone for doing something that has nothing to do with you all under the heading of purity of the teaching. This seed is the start of spiritual fascism. If idol worship, as you call this, bothers you, then you should not do it. Admonishing Ben with scenerios of what could happen is ridiculous. What could happen hasn't happened, what has happened is nothing! Purity of the teaching rests in consciousness, not in outward behaviors. -Peter I don't know how long this anon has been around, but those of us who have been around here for a while have come to know Ben as someone who is exceptionally knowledgeable about pujas and the like, and who spares no trouble or expense to make sure they are performed properly. The TMO, the official protectors of the purity of the teaching, would probably do well to follow his example. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I'm not so sure I'm sharing anyone's enlightenment just yet, nor benjamincollins nor his daughters, the opposite might have a valid case here. By bringing all these idols into his house it looks to me that benjamin collins is going astray from the pure path. And you know this to be true? Absolutely true? Isn't this just a belief you have. And in fact you know nothing other than your own opinion? There is no need to adopt any Hindu idol-worshipping-rituals; the opposite is truth. Guru Dev and MMY stated that the pure knowledge is lost and what left are only empty rituals. How do you know the ritual is empty? Ben seems to have quite a bit of sattvic intent to me. It could be the case that our friend is doing both the pure practice and rituals at the same time, however the 'path' don't state worshipping Guru Dev nor any image of him or Ganesha idol etc as necessary. That's your path. Don't you worship any idols because it bothers you and you don't want to do it. Let us know when you start worshipping idols and we'll help you stop. Keep us posted. The danger is that along the way one starts to lose the purity side of the teaching and just stays with the rituals, hence losing the purity of the knowledge. So, don't you worship any idols so you don't lose the purity of the teaching. Brahman, G-D, infinity has no shape or form and rituals are just golden cage of samsara at the best case. Is this a concept or an experience you have? How do you know this is true? I think our friend need to check where his focus and attention goes. No, Ben can take care of himself just fine. You need to check where your focus and attention go. respectfully. Perhaps you mean to say here, disrespectfully. Let's be honest, please. P.S. Akasha, if you read this, do I come across like this? If I do, I truely apologize! -Peter Hi Peter, I am not clear if your question is a sincere inquiry, or a side avenue to subtly, yet sarcastically, lambast anon a bit more. (Thats not a ding, we all employ such tactics, often without thinking -- though in retrospect, looking to myself, I probably reactively do such so more often than optimal. So your point has hsd the good effect of reforming me.) I will assume you meant it as a sincere inquiry. I need to separate tone/style from content. I have quite a different perspective from anon. I like Pujanet and have participated, in person and remotely, from time to time, since it began 6 years ago. And I know and admire Ben and his endeavors. And I have a different view from this anon about the path. That said, I find his tone and style relatively mild, polite and seems to acknowledge other POVs. To be honest, while I do like you and your posts a lot, sometimes you use a tone and style that appears quite emphatic, absolutist, with sharp cornors, and without much visble sincere acceptance of other POVs as possibly being valid. Opinions, learned or experiential as they may be based, are sometimes stated as hard FACT. To me, your style at times is quite a bit more hard-nosed and emphatic than this anons. I find reactions in myself to your style sometimes, and less so the content. For crumudgeons like me, your writing would more effectively get your point across if it were a tad less emphatic and a bit more humble. But thats me. And I only say such because you asked. Apparently sincerely. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The danger is that along the way one starts to lose the purity side of the teaching and just stays with the rituals, hence losing the purity of the knowledge. Brahman, G-D, infinity has no shape or form and rituals are just golden cage of samsara at the best case. Absolutely true that seeing or appreciating yagyas and rituals as outside the Self will tend (at best) to be an expression of god- consciousness, not Brahman. (Not true that in themselves they will bar one from Brahman, which cannot be obtained or lost, only Understood or ignored; god-consciousness -- like any other state -- is no real barrier to Brahman; only attachment to it is.) Like these yagyas, seeing MMY, Guru Dev, and the purity of the teaching as outside the Self will also (at best) tend to be an expression of god-consciousness, not Brahman, and (if you like) tend to reinforce the golden cage of samsara. (Though again, there is no golden cage of samsara, per se -- only a habit or belief that there is.) No one out there can really give us Brahman; it can (probably) only be surrendered into/conquered by a tiny/colossal step of egolessness/Egomania, denying the illusion of the self-other dilemma and embracing/accepting the Whole -- what IS. I think our friend need to check where his focus and attention goes. Yes, perhaps we all do, and one could perhaps make a case that without at least some attention on and somatose appreciation of the celestial qualities of the Other, it would appear highly unlikely that one would ever consider the Other worth unifying with or embracing. A Brahman without the Heart is a pretty poor Brahman! :-) The beauty of focus and attention is it gives us precisely what we need at any point in our Life -- whether it be the sweetly powerful electromagnetic soma-flows of god-consciousness, or the Understanding that all is Self in the perfection of what IS, or both simultaneously, or neither, or even the lovely embrace of deepest, blackest Sleep...it's all good, all just a matter of focus and attention. With that in mind, I would like to apologize to Akasha for denying what I perceived as his golden appreciation of Peter in K.C. While perhaps true in the deepest sense that this perception was a projection -- so what? At least it is celestial, glorious -- and so if Akasha were not to deny that perception but rather to take credit for it, embrace it All -- then in what way is god-consciousness a barrier to Brahman? Perhaps rather it is the single missing piece of the puzzle (if indeed there ever could be such)! Jai Guru Dev in each of Us I am Kansas City. Peter Is London. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
--- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: big snip That said, I find his tone and style relatively mild, polite and seems to acknowledge other POVs. To be honest, while I do like you and your posts a lot, sometimes you use a tone and style that appears quite emphatic, absolutist, with sharp cornors, and without much visble sincere acceptance of other POVs as possibly being valid. Opinions, learned or experiential as they may be based, are sometimes stated as hard FACT. To me, your style at times is quite a bit more hard-nosed and emphatic than this anons. I find reactions in myself to your style sometimes, and less so the content. For crumudgeons like me, your writing would more effectively get your point across if it were a tad less emphatic and a bit more humble. But thats me. And I only say such because you asked. Apparently sincerely. Thanks Akasha. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am Kansas City. Peter Is London. Everything's up-to-date in Kansas City; They've gone about as far as they can go, yes sir! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everything's up-to-date in Kansas City; They've gone about as far as they can go, They went and built a skyscraper seven stories high About as high as a buildin' oughta grow! So are those seven stories sleep, dream, waking, TC, CC, GC, UC? Or might they be CC, GC, UC, BC, KC, SC, and MC? Or are all of these stories just stories? :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with what you stated, it is very important. As for my understanding to just follow my instincts per se could lead to walking astray, maya could be powerful if one only uses his own instincts. that's the nature of the beast, maya, illusions, You know this sounds an awful lot like the false prophet deal the Fundamentalists often use. What these Fundamentalists say , use ? How do you defend against this. Anyone, teaching, or branch that you don't agree with can conveniently be labeled false Some can be False some can't be determined as False or True and some can be considered true. But more important some can be gray, including teachings that are false and other that are true in the same system. That is my point exactly all along. I admit spiritual growth is a dicey proposition, full of prat falls, and wrong turns. But that mettle must be tested in one way or another. I sincerely am happy to know that it's working well for you I take growth wherever I can find it, and it seems lately I find it in the faces and simple gestures of people I observe in dailey living. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
--- Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everything's up-to-date in Kansas City; They've gone about as far as they can go, They went and built a skyscraper seven stories high About as high as a buildin' oughta grow! So are those seven stories sleep, dream, waking, TC, CC, GC, UC? Or might they be CC, GC, UC, BC, KC, SC, and MC? Or are all of these stories just stories? :-) Just storieslots and lots of stories. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The danger is that along the way one starts to lose the purity side of the teaching and just stays with the rituals, hence losing the purity of the knowledge. Brahman, G-D, infinity has no shape or form and rituals are just golden cage of samsara at the best case. Absolutely true that seeing or appreciating yagyas and rituals as outside the Self will tend (at best) to be an expression of god- consciousness, not Brahman. god-consciousness ? how so? I think rituals are 95% empty. (Not true that in themselves they will bar one from Brahman, which cannot be obtained or lost, only Understood or ignored; god-consciousness -- like any other state -- is no real barrier to Brahman; only attachment to it is.) Like these yagyas, seeing MMY, Guru Dev, and the purity of the teaching as outside the Self will also (at best) tend to be an expression of god-consciousness, not Brahman, and (if you like) tend to reinforce the golden cage of samsara. (Though again, there is no golden cage of samsara, per se -- only a habit or belief that there is.) No one out there can really give us Brahman; it can (probably) only be surrendered into/conquered by a tiny/colossal step of egolessness/Egomania, denying the illusion of the self-other dilemma and embracing/accepting the Whole -- what IS. I think our friend need to check where his focus and attention goes. Yes, perhaps we all do, and one could perhaps make a case that without at least some attention on and somatose appreciation of the celestial qualities of the Other, it would appear highly unlikely that one would ever consider the Other worth unifying with or embracing. A Brahman without the Heart is a pretty poor Brahman! :-) The beauty of focus and attention is it gives us precisely what we need at any point in our Life -- whether it be the sweetly powerful electromagnetic soma-flows of god-consciousness, or the Understanding that all is Self in the perfection of what IS, or both simultaneously, or neither, or even the lovely embrace of deepest, blackest Sleep...it's all good, all just a matter of focus and attention. With that in mind, I would like to apologize to Akasha for denying what I perceived as his golden appreciation of Peter in K.C. While perhaps true in the deepest sense that this perception was a projection -- so what? At least it is celestial, glorious -- and so if Akasha were not to deny that perception but rather to take credit for it, embrace it All -- then in what way is god-consciousness a barrier to Brahman? Perhaps rather it is the single missing piece of the puzzle (if indeed there ever could be such)! Jai Guru Dev in each of Us Very well said, ty. Jai Guru Dev To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip How do you defend against this. Anyone, teaching, or branch that you don't agree with can conveniently be labeled false Some can be False some can't be determined as False or True and some can be considered true. But more important some can be gray, including teachings that are false and other that are true in the same system. That is my point exactly all along. Sure glad you cleared that up. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/17/05 8:42 AM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anon, I have no intentention of twisting your words. You admonish someone for doing something that has nothing to do with you all under the heading of purity of the teaching. This seed is the start of spiritual fascism. If idol worship, as you call this, bothers you, then you should not do it. Admonishing Ben with scenerios of what could happen is ridiculous. What could happen hasn't happened, what has happened is nothing! Purity of the teaching rests in consciousness, not in outward behaviors. -Peter I don't know how long this anon has been around, but those of us who have been around here for a while have come to know Ben as someone who is exceptionally knowledgeable about pujas and the like, and who spares no trouble or expense to make sure they are performed properly. The TMO, the official protectors of the purity of the teaching, would probably do well to follow his example. He might as well be, I didn't see this thread so much about Ben per se. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
--- L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip How do you defend against this. Anyone, teaching, or branch that you don't agree with can conveniently be labeled false Some can be False some can't be determined as False or True and some can be considered true. But more important some can be gray, including teachings that are false and other that are true in the same system. That is my point exactly all along. Sure glad you cleared that up. L B S A classic pithy LBS! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
on 4/17/05 8:35 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: god-consciousness ? how so? I think rituals are 95% empty. Depends on who's doing them, don't you think? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/17/05 8:35 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: god-consciousness ? how so? I think rituals are 95% empty. Depends on who's doing them, don't you think? Since Einstein, Relativity I very much think so, but limited to the observer; the influences is in the same way a placebo would influence one. (re try) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just storieslots and lots of stories. I suspect you, I, *and* akasha could probably agree on this one :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Absolutely true that seeing or appreciating yagyas and rituals as outside the Self will tend (at best) to be an expression of god- consciousness, not Brahman. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: god-consciousness ? how so? I think rituals are 95% empty. Perhaps one could say this of Life itself, which appears to be even more empty than 95% -- rather a thin, colorful soap-bubble-film of drama around and within the emptiful radiant vastness of ourSelf. At any rate while I would tend to agree with you at the moment from my own POV, I cannot ignore the testimony of people I respect with regards to yagyas, pujas and the like. Their Life-enhancing (i.e. soma- enhancing) experiences are undeniable, and to me appear to be of the nature of god-consciousness. Certainly from the point of view of GC it would seem these yagyas and rituals make perfect sense, as in them we are paying intense attention to the various deities. And again, as such soma-flows and so on appear irrelevant in ignorance, highly relevant in GC, irrelevant in Brahman (where everything is obviously the same), and again highly relevant in feeding the alchemical divine fire-Self of Shiva-Consciousness, and so on, I would be hard-put to make a definitive and final statement on the matter. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you, Ben, great story and very uplifting. The sentiments you expressed matched many of mine. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I taught my daughter to meditate My daughter is 10. She is tall and blonde and has bright eyes and a quick wit. Her name is Anna, although I always call her Annie which she is starting to dislike because she's getting older. She is in the 5th grade in the Sherman Oaks Center for Enriched Studies which means that she had a lot of homework, too much homework. She bravely tries to do everything the best she can, but add a 45 minute bus ride and she's getting way too stressed. My kids all know that I meditate, and that I do pujas, and go to the Hindu Temple. There are lots of Ganeshas in my home and it is all part of their world. But I have never pushed it on them. We talk about it at times, and they know that if I don't meditate I get cranky. So when I quietly suggested to Annie that she might feel less stressed if she meditated, she said that she thought it might be a good idea. I gave her some short explanations that amounted to brief intro and second lecture during the week. Then on Sunday morning we sat down together in my puja room. The puja room is bed room sized and contains my spiritual library and 2 elaborate altars with a 3 foot stone Ganesha and a 4 foot Durga along with Vishnu, Lakshmi and other deities. I did my TM puja and felt the wonderful feeling that I enjoyed when I taught regularly in the 70's. I haven't taught much since; just a friend here and there. The great thing about the puja is that you can feel your awareness change. The feeling of connectedness to Guru Dev is real, distinct and completely different from any temple puja or yagya experience I have ever had. And at the end of the puja, when I gave Annie the mantra she repeated it a few times and then it just pulled her in and her eyes gently closed. We finished the initiation process and when she opened her eyes after her first 10 minute meditation, she smiled sweetly and said that was really nice. I am proud of my daughter. Now she meditates during her bus ride each day. Already she is feeling less stressed, less tired, and happier. That makes me happy. There is a another side to this experience. When I was doing the puja I thought about how full of idealism I was in 1971 when I became an initiator. And today I could feel with the same certainty that I had back then, that TM was special; that MMY's devotion to Guru Dev was deserved and rightly inspirational. But what happened since then? As I sat in my puja room, I could feel all the layers of my disappointment and cynicism that accumulated over the years as the World Plan failed, there was no Perfect Health or anything else, MIU amounted to pretty mcuh nothing, and where are all the pundits, not to mention that I've done the 5-8 year plan many times over. At that time I thought about FFL. And it seems to me that we are all suffering from the same thing; a broken heart. We all believed and we all had evidence that our belief was not misplaced. After all, we're still meditating, still hoping that Maharishi is right. But not so many think so any more and FFL is a collection of people like me who have no reason to believe anything. We're heartbroken, disappointed, and disillusioned. Rightly so. But this past weekend my daughter learned to meditate. Guru Dev is alive in my heart and I'm going to hang onto that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
Oops hit the wrong button earlier... Anyway, this is a great event benjamincollins! To be able to bring another soul along the speedy path to enlightenment is a blessed event IMO. The broken heart thing also strikes a chord...It shows me how powerful our mantras are, that they could purify us to the extent that we then just need the push of a broken heart to Realize ourselves and the world (same thing, right?) as we truly are. The beautiful thing about a broken heart is that when it breaks, it breaks Open, and with that breaking open, we realize that our salvation or enlightenment is not to be found in any machinations of the TM Movement, or from Maharishi or World plan or any of that stuff. That is just busy work to purify us further, so that when our heart breaks there is only one place to go, one thing revealed, our true nature, ourSelves! As a wise man once said, The world is as you are; Live unbounded awareness! Jai Guru Dev, Sir, and to All! I hope everyone is enjoying this the 8th day of the Nine Days Of Mother Divine! Jim --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I taught my daughter to meditate My daughter is 10. She is tall and blonde and has bright eyes and a quick wit. Her name is Anna, although I always call her Annie which she is starting to dislike because she's getting older. She is in the 5th grade in the Sherman Oaks Center for Enriched Studies which means that she had a lot of homework, too much homework. She bravely tries to do everything the best she can, but add a 45 minute bus ride and she's getting way too stressed. My kids all know that I meditate, and that I do pujas, and go to the Hindu Temple. There are lots of Ganeshas in my home and it is all part of their world. But I have never pushed it on them. We talk about it at times, and they know that if I don't meditate I get cranky. So when I quietly suggested to Annie that she might feel less stressed if she meditated, she said that she thought it might be a good idea. I gave her some short explanations that amounted to brief intro and second lecture during the week. Then on Sunday morning we sat down together in my puja room. The puja room is bed room sized and contains my spiritual library and 2 elaborate altars with a 3 foot stone Ganesha and a 4 foot Durga along with Vishnu, Lakshmi and other deities. I did my TM puja and felt the wonderful feeling that I enjoyed when I taught regularly in the 70's. I haven't taught much since; just a friend here and there. The great thing about the puja is that you can feel your awareness change. The feeling of connectedness to Guru Dev is real, distinct and completely different from any temple puja or yagya experience I have ever had. And at the end of the puja, when I gave Annie the mantra she repeated it a few times and then it just pulled her in and her eyes gently closed. We finished the initiation process and when she opened her eyes after her first 10 minute meditation, she smiled sweetly and said that was really nice. I am proud of my daughter. Now she meditates during her bus ride each day. Already she is feeling less stressed, less tired, and happier. That makes me happy. There is a another side to this experience. When I was doing the puja I thought about how full of idealism I was in 1971 when I became an initiator. And today I could feel with the same certainty that I had back then, that TM was special; that MMY's devotion to Guru Dev was deserved and rightly inspirational. But what happened since then? As I sat in my puja room, I could feel all the layers of my disappointment and cynicism that accumulated over the years as the World Plan failed, there was no Perfect Health or anything else, MIU amounted to pretty mcuh nothing, and where are all the pundits, not to mention that I've done the 5-8 year plan many times over. At that time I thought about FFL. And it seems to me that we are all suffering from the same thing; a broken heart. We all believed and we all had evidence that our belief was not misplaced. After all, we're still meditating, still hoping that Maharishi is right. But not so many think so any more and FFL is a collection of people like me who have no reason to believe anything. We're heartbroken, disappointed, and disillusioned. Rightly so. But this past weekend my daughter learned to meditate. Guru Dev is alive in my heart and I'm going to hang onto that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email
[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, this is a great event benjamincollins! To be able to bring another soul along the speedy path to enlightenment is a blessed event IMO. I'm not so sure I'm sharing anyone's enlightenment just yet, nor benjamincollins nor his daughters, the opposite might have a valid case here. By bringing all these idols into his house it looks to me that benjamin collins is going astray from the pure path. There is no need to adopt any Hindu idol-worshipping-rituals; the opposite is truth. Guru Dev and MMY stated that the pure knowledge is lost and what left are only empty rituals. It could be the case that our friend is doing both the pure practice and rituals at the same time, however the 'path' don't state worshipping Guru Dev nor any image of him or Ganesha idol etc as necessary. The danger is that along the way one starts to lose the purity side of the teaching and just stays with the rituals, hence losing the purity of the knowledge. Brahman, G-D, infinity has no shape or form and rituals are just golden cage of samsara at the best case. I think our friend need to check where his focus and attention goes. respectfully. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
Hi, It depends on how the idols are appreciated. If it is a lively appreciation, which it sounds to be, then OK! In my opinion it is right to question everything in the context of Reality. However there is always a question posed when we appear to question that which is outside ourselves, for example: How do we know what Ben's true intentions are, how pure they are, whether in his heart and soul he is conforming to the purity of the teaching or not? Maharishi has said that there are no obvious outward signs of an enlightened man. Where is the veil? Jai Guru Dev, Jim --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, this is a great event benjamincollins! To be able to bring another soul along the speedy path to enlightenment is a blessed event IMO. I'm not so sure I'm sharing anyone's enlightenment just yet, nor benjamincollins nor his daughters, the opposite might have a valid case here. By bringing all these idols into his house it looks to me that benjamin collins is going astray from the pure path. There is no need to adopt any Hindu idol-worshipping-rituals; the opposite is truth. Guru Dev and MMY stated that the pure knowledge is lost and what left are only empty rituals. It could be the case that our friend is doing both the pure practice and rituals at the same time, however the 'path' don't state worshipping Guru Dev nor any image of him or Ganesha idol etc as necessary. The danger is that along the way one starts to lose the purity side of the teaching and just stays with the rituals, hence losing the purity of the knowledge. Brahman, G-D, infinity has no shape or form and rituals are just golden cage of samsara at the best case. I think our friend need to check where his focus and attention goes. respectfully. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip By bringing all these idols into his house it looks to me that benjamin collins is going astray from the pure path. snip There is no need to adopt any Hindu idol-worshipping-rituals; the opposite is truth. Guru Dev and MMY stated that the pure knowledge is lost and what left are only empty rituals. snip I think our friend need to check where his focus and attention goes. Anon, I guess you are qualified to be the final arbitor on such matters. Of course we are in no position to make any judgements on your frame of reference since no one knows who you are. But, there is no uncertainty that you feel the opinion rendered is the final word regarding spiritual development. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip By bringing all these idols into his house it looks to me that benjamin collins is going astray from the pure path. snip There is no need to adopt any Hindu idol-worshipping-rituals; the opposite is truth. Guru Dev and MMY stated that the pure knowledge is lost and what left are only empty rituals. snip I think our friend need to check where his focus and attention goes. Anon, I guess you are qualified to be the final arbitor on such matters. I'm not an arbitor , but if I see something that could be of danger to a friend I would like to say it ! Of course we are in no position to make any judgements on your frame of reference since no one knows who you are. you missing the point, it's not about judgement it's about saying what it is, my reference is the pure knowledge as I perceived it , I can only write from my own state as you can do the same. so if you have something of content to contribute please do. But, there is no uncertainty that you feel the opinion rendered is the final word regarding spiritual development. I already related to that, see above. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But, there is no uncertainty that you feel the opinion rendered is the final word regarding spiritual development. I already related to that, see above. lurk Okay, I can handle difference of opinions. For me, my experience, spiritual growth has come from following my instincts. My mantra has been, stay honest with myself and take responsibility for my actions. Yes, I have fallen away from the TM path in the way we used to practice it. This has worked for me, I feel. Hope you are satisfied with your progress. Sincerely I do. We need every person available to turn this tide. lurk lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
--- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I'm not so sure I'm sharing anyone's enlightenment just yet, nor benjamincollins nor his daughters, the opposite might have a valid case here. By bringing all these idols into his house it looks to me that benjamin collins is going astray from the pure path. And you know this to be true? Absolutely true? Isn't this just a belief you have. And in fact you know nothing other than your own opinion? There is no need to adopt any Hindu idol-worshipping-rituals; the opposite is truth. Guru Dev and MMY stated that the pure knowledge is lost and what left are only empty rituals. How do you know the ritual is empty? Ben seems to have quite a bit of sattvic intent to me. It could be the case that our friend is doing both the pure practice and rituals at the same time, however the 'path' don't state worshipping Guru Dev nor any image of him or Ganesha idol etc as necessary. That's your path. Don't you worship any idols because it bothers you and you don't want to do it. Let us know when you start worshipping idols and we'll help you stop. Keep us posted. The danger is that along the way one starts to lose the purity side of the teaching and just stays with the rituals, hence losing the purity of the knowledge. So, don't you worship any idols so you don't lose the purity of the teaching. Brahman, G-D, infinity has no shape or form and rituals are just golden cage of samsara at the best case. Is this a concept or an experience you have? How do you know this is true? I think our friend need to check where his focus and attention goes. No, Ben can take care of himself just fine. You need to check where your focus and attention go. respectfully. Perhaps you mean to say here, disrespectfully. Let's be honest, please. P.S. Akasha, if you read this, do I come across like this? If I do, I truely apologize! -Peter To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
On Apr 16, 2005, at 7:23 PM, anonymousff wrote: There is no need to adopt any Hindu idol-worshipping-rituals; the opposite is truth. Guru Dev and MMY stated that the pure knowledge is lost and what left are only empty rituals. It could be the case that our friend is doing both the pure practice and rituals at the same time, however the 'path' don't state worshipping Guru Dev nor any image of him or Ganesha idol etc as necessary. Swami Brahmananda Sarsvati, as not only a Shankaracharya but esp. as a dandi swami, represents one of the more orthodox manifestation of traditional Hinduism. Consequently an important part of external worship involves the 16-fold worship of murtis, external ritual (mahayoga), etc. It's a central part of the tradition. Technically however these are not idols, they are not inanimate forms. In fact murtis (or statue representations of deity) all undergo the same process that someone who receives a TM-style ishta mantra: they are established with prana-shakti. Thus they serve as living doorways to the divine. This is an important distinction. While this particular style of devotion and worship is not necessarily for me, I think it's pretty cool that Ben's kids have a home which contains doorways to the divine within it. -V. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But, there is no uncertainty that you feel the opinion rendered is the final word regarding spiritual development. I already related to that, see above. lurk Okay, I can handle difference of opinions. For me, my experience, spiritual growth has come from following my instincts. My mantra has been, stay honest with myself I agree with what you stated, it is very important. As for my understanding to just follow my instincts per se could lead to walking astray, maya could be powerful if one only uses his own instincts. that's the nature of the beast, maya, illusions, at least until one has gained a solid high spiritual state and understanding, knowledge. I believe that staying focus and be aware by sharing experiences , thoughts, knowledge with people (Guru, holy scripts etc) that walked the same road is important. If a spiritual student start to wonder around from here to there, doing x and y and then decides to go back to z etc it can take them of their goal, path so to speak. Again that's my experience and understanding and I also can handle difference of opinions :) and take responsibility for my actions. Yes, I have fallen away from the TM path in the way we used to practice it. This has worked for me, I feel. Hope you are satisfied with your progress. I do practice TM-Sidhis. From knowledge point of view in addition I also use other philosophy system. Sincerely I do. We need every person available to turn this tide. we sure do, thank you. I sincerely am happy to know that it's working well for you. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey...who you callin' unhealthy. My kids love the puja room and go in there to read or do home work because they find it peaceful. Scary? How do you get that? the Ganesha is big and fat and friendly looking. The Durga is an antique from a temple, carved out of mango wood. The paint is nicely faded and there are lots of carved flowers around her. It is all very peaceful and not oppressive at all. I grew up with a bloody guy hanging from a cross over my bed -- no one thought that was weird. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
Thank you, Ben, great story and very uplifting. The sentiments you expressed matched many of mine. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I taught my daughter to meditate My daughter is 10. She is tall and blonde and has bright eyes and a quick wit. Her name is Anna, although I always call her Annie which she is starting to dislike because she's getting older. She is in the 5th grade in the Sherman Oaks Center for Enriched Studies which means that she had a lot of homework, too much homework. She bravely tries to do everything the best she can, but add a 45 minute bus ride and she's getting way too stressed. My kids all know that I meditate, and that I do pujas, and go to the Hindu Temple. There are lots of Ganeshas in my home and it is all part of their world. But I have never pushed it on them. We talk about it at times, and they know that if I don't meditate I get cranky. So when I quietly suggested to Annie that she might feel less stressed if she meditated, she said that she thought it might be a good idea. I gave her some short explanations that amounted to brief intro and second lecture during the week. Then on Sunday morning we sat down together in my puja room. The puja room is bed room sized and contains my spiritual library and 2 elaborate altars with a 3 foot stone Ganesha and a 4 foot Durga along with Vishnu, Lakshmi and other deities. I did my TM puja and felt the wonderful feeling that I enjoyed when I taught regularly in the 70's. I haven't taught much since; just a friend here and there. The great thing about the puja is that you can feel your awareness change. The feeling of connectedness to Guru Dev is real, distinct and completely different from any temple puja or yagya experience I have ever had. And at the end of the puja, when I gave Annie the mantra she repeated it a few times and then it just pulled her in and her eyes gently closed. We finished the initiation process and when she opened her eyes after her first 10 minute meditation, she smiled sweetly and said that was really nice. I am proud of my daughter. Now she meditates during her bus ride each day. Already she is feeling less stressed, less tired, and happier. That makes me happy. There is a another side to this experience. When I was doing the puja I thought about how full of idealism I was in 1971 when I became an initiator. And today I could feel with the same certainty that I had back then, that TM was special; that MMY's devotion to Guru Dev was deserved and rightly inspirational. But what happened since then? As I sat in my puja room, I could feel all the layers of my disappointment and cynicism that accumulated over the years as the World Plan failed, there was no Perfect Health or anything else, MIU amounted to pretty mcuh nothing, and where are all the pundits, not to mention that I've done the 5-8 year plan many times over. At that time I thought about FFL. And it seems to me that we are all suffering from the same thing; a broken heart. We all believed and we all had evidence that our belief was not misplaced. After all, we're still meditating, still hoping that Maharishi is right. But not so many think so any more and FFL is a collection of people like me who have no reason to believe anything. We're heartbroken, disappointed, and disillusioned. Rightly so. But this past weekend my daughter learned to meditate. Guru Dev is alive in my heart and I'm going to hang onto that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't mind hearing about other peoples' kids when it sounds healthy. Not too sure, though, about making kids live with 2 elaborate altars with a 3 foot stone Ganesha and a 4 foot Durga along with Vishnu, Lakshmi and other deities. If I were a kid, that would be the last thing I would want to face every day. It sounds almost frightening. Why not a couple of stone dragons with moving eyes to complete the Haunted Vedic Mansion look? Personally, I'd rather face the oddness of Hindu deities than the bloody gore of a guy nailed to a cross. Fortunately, I faced neither in my childhood, as I was raised in an atheist/agnostic household, for which I am immensely grateful. Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
But all the symbols are the same. Because all is one. And when one looks in their daughters eyes they also should see Kali, Vishnu, and Jesus, as well as Machig and Yeshe. That is, if they all are still extant. I'm really unsure about Jesus. Anyone? Is he still here? Sometimes I think I would throw it all away and just be a good Catholic if it meant I could hang with the wife for eternity. But I'm too cynical for all that. - Original Message - From: Alex Stanley To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]...wrote: I don't mind hearing about other peoples' kids when it sounds healthy. Not too sure, though, about making kids live with "2 elaborate altars with a 3 foot stone Ganesha and a 4 foot Durga along with Vishnu, Lakshmi and other deities." If I were a kid, that would be the last thing I would want to face every day. It sounds almost frightening. Why not a couple of stone dragons with moving eyes to complete the Haunted Vedic Mansion look?Personally, I'd rather face the oddness of Hindu deities than thebloody gore of a guy nailed to a cross. Fortunately, I faced neitherin my childhood, as I was raised in an atheist/agnostic household,for which I am immensely grateful.AlexTo subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
Actually I was raised as nothing as well. Which was good because when I asked my father what the best thing in the world was and he said wisdom that left me alot of room to see if he was right or not. Luckily my father wasn't Maharishi or he would have told mme that the best thing in the world was money, and then I would have fallen from the path and become a thug. - Original Message - From: Sal Sunshine To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story On Apr 14, 2005, at 10:40 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: Personally, I'd rather face the oddness of Hindu deities than thebloody gore of a guy nailed to a cross.I agree. But they are basically different sides of the same coin, IMO. Why make kids face either? Fortunately, I faced neitherin my childhood, as I was raised in an atheist/agnostic household,for which I am immensely grateful.If so, then your parents were certainly a lot more enlightened, in the real, pragmatic sense, than most others of that time. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
Hey...who you callin' unhealthy. My kids love the puja room and go in there to read or do home work because they find it peaceful. Scary? How do you get that? the Ganesha is big and fat and friendly looking. The Durga is an antique from a temple, carved out of mango wood. The paint is nicely faded and there are lots of carved flowers around her. It is all very peaceful and not oppressive at all. Besides I keep the door closed when their friends come over. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't mind hearing about other peoples' kids when it sounds healthy. Not too sure, though, about making kids live with 2 elaborate altars with a 3 foot stone Ganesha and a 4 foot Durga along with Vishnu, Lakshmi and other deities. If I were a kid, that would be the last thing I would want to face every day. It sounds almost frightening. Why not a couple of stone dragons with moving eyes to complete the Haunted Vedic Mansion look? Sal On Apr 13, 2005, at 10:49 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: .S. I've got three young kids of my own. Maybe that's why the last thing I want hear is about other little kids To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
Really sounds lovely, and I bet your kids do love it in there! Jim --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey...who you callin' unhealthy. My kids love the puja room and go in there to read or do home work because they find it peaceful. Scary? How do you get that? the Ganesha is big and fat and friendly looking. The Durga is an antique from a temple, carved out of mango wood. The paint is nicely faded and there are lots of carved flowers around her. It is all very peaceful and not oppressive at all. Besides I keep the door closed when their friends come over. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
I have a 5 foot dancing Ganesh in our house - kids think it's pretty cool. But we don't do elaborate pujas to it - just a simple Jai Ganesh song every morning to greet the day in a thankful way. Kids just ignore that part of it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey...who you callin' unhealthy. My kids love the puja room and go in there to read or do home work because they find it peaceful. Scary? How do you get that? the Ganesha is big and fat and friendly looking. The Durga is an antique from a temple, carved out of mango wood. The paint is nicely faded and there are lots of carved flowers around her. It is all very peaceful and not oppressive at all. Besides I keep the door closed when their friends come over. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't mind hearing about other peoples' kids when it sounds healthy. Not too sure, though, about making kids live with 2 elaborate altars with a 3 foot stone Ganesha and a 4 foot Durga along with Vishnu, Lakshmi and other deities. If I were a kid, that would be the last thing I would want to face every day. It sounds almost frightening. Why not a couple of stone dragons with moving eyes to complete the Haunted Vedic Mansion look? Sal On Apr 13, 2005, at 10:49 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: .S. I've got three young kids of my own. Maybe that's why the last thing I want hear is about other little kids To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snsnip My kids all know that I meditate, and that I do pujas, and go to the Hindu Temple. There are lots of Ganeshas in my home and it is all part of their world. But I have never pushed it on them. We talk about it at times, and they know that if I don't meditate I get cranky. snip The puja room is bed room sized and contains my spiritual library and 2 elaborate altars with a 3 foot stone Ganesha and a 4 foot Durga along with Vishnu, Lakshmi and other deities. snip (For some reason people think other people want to hear every cute little detail about their kids.) By the way Ben, just curious, is there a wife in this picture somewhere. I mean it's quite a get up you have and wives with kids tend get pretty mainstream. P.S. I've got three young kids of my own. Maybe that's why the last thing I want hear is about other little kids lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
Hey, I knew there was a risk publishing this story on FFL! I probably deserve the slings and arrows. But I think that the experience of initiating was worthwhile. It is the one true thing that remains unaffected by all the TMO crap. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snsnip My kids all know that I meditate, and that I do pujas, and go to the Hindu Temple. There are lots of Ganeshas in my home and it is all part of their world. But I have never pushed it on them. We talk about it at times, and they know that if I don't meditate I get cranky. snip The puja room is bed room sized and contains my spiritual library and 2 elaborate altars with a 3 foot stone Ganesha and a 4 foot Durga along with Vishnu, Lakshmi and other deities. snip (For some reason people think other people want to hear every cute little detail about their kids.) By the way Ben, just curious, is there a wife in this picture somewhere. I mean it's quite a get up you have and wives with kids tend get pretty mainstream. P.S. I've got three young kids of my own. Maybe that's why the last thing I want hear is about other little kids lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
P.S. I've got three young kids of my own. Maybe that's why the last thing I want hear is about other little kidslurk---Wow Man, I've heard it all. I thought it was really a fine story and great. I've encountered every single viepoint here at this group on everything. You're a fine and smart group of peeps. I guess that's why I keep coming back here, because the whole world comes to them who wait. I liked it Ben, Thanks. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I knew there was a risk publishing this story on FFL! I probably deserve the slings and arrows. But I think that the experience of initiating was worthwhile. It is the one true thing that remains unaffected by all the TMO crap. Hey Ben, Enjoyed your story. And I agree about initiating being the one thing that is unaffected by all the TMO crap. More sublime as the years go by JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
I thoroughly enjoyed your story. The fact that lurkermore apparently has a less-than-fulfilling relationship with his kids isn't your problem. I have kids as well and really enjoy hearing other parents tell their stories - pass- ing your wisdom to your kids is a way of gaining quasi-immortality. And wives with kids can be just as exploratory and interested in a wide range of things as anyone else. I know from direct experience. Thanks again for your story - it touched quite a few things in me, although I think I got over being broken-hearted a while ago. TM has always been wonderful, from my point of view. The TMO and MMY ran off the tracks some time back - just the way these things go... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I knew there was a risk publishing this story on FFL! I probably deserve the slings and arrows. But I think that the experience of initiating was worthwhile. It is the one true thing that remains unaffected by all the TMO crap. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snsnip My kids all know that I meditate, and that I do pujas, and go to the Hindu Temple. There are lots of Ganeshas in my home and it is all part of their world. But I have never pushed it on them. We talk about it at times, and they know that if I don't meditate I get cranky. snip The puja room is bed room sized and contains my spiritual library and 2 elaborate altars with a 3 foot stone Ganesha and a 4 foot Durga along with Vishnu, Lakshmi and other deities. snip (For some reason people think other people want to hear every cute little detail about their kids.) By the way Ben, just curious, is there a wife in this picture somewhere. I mean it's quite a get up you have and wives with kids tend get pretty mainstream. P.S. I've got three young kids of my own. Maybe that's why the last thing I want hear is about other little kids lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thoroughly enjoyed your story. The fact that lurkermore apparently has a less-than-fulfilling relationship with his kids isn't your problem. You know, you can go on a perfectly wonderful vacation. Really enjoy yourself. You still may not want to see other people's vacation photos. At least that's the way I see it. No big deal. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
No, no wife any more. She is pretty tolerant (from a distance) but thinks I am 1 step away from Hare Krishna craziness and dancing in the airports. The kids like it though and sometimes pick flowers to do Ganesha pujas. When we were married I had a puja altar and did pujas a lot. But all those religious idols made her nervous, her being a New York Jewish/American Princess and all... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Ben, you got game! Thanks for the come back. But really, if you don't mind my asking, are you married and is your wife with you on the Hindu pantheon stuff. Ain't nothing wrong with it, I like it myself. But raising kids, and the crazy, crazy homework and all the other stuff doesn't leave much time except for the basics. in the same boat, lurk Hey, I knew there was a risk publishing this story on FFL! I probably deserve the slings and arrows. But I think that the experience of initiating was worthwhile. It is the one true thing that remains unaffected by all the TMO crap. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snsnip My kids all know that I meditate, and that I do pujas, and go to the Hindu Temple. There are lots of Ganeshas in my home and it is all part of their world. But I have never pushed it on them. We talk about it at times, and they know that if I don't meditate I get cranky. snip The puja room is bed room sized and contains my spiritual library and 2 elaborate altars with a 3 foot stone Ganesha and a 4 foot Durga along with Vishnu, Lakshmi and other deities. snip (For some reason people think other people want to hear every cute little detail about their kids.) By the way Ben, just curious, is there a wife in this picture somewhere. I mean it's quite a get up you have and wives with kids tend get pretty mainstream. P.S. I've got three young kids of my own. Maybe that's why the last thing I want hear is about other little kids lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story
Yeah, I write as if I'm broken hearted but I'm actually just constantly blown away by the audacity and sheer callousness of the Maharishi at this point. It's like he's his own archnemesis. I just don't get it. I yell, but I'm absolutely positive that it's too late. Maharishi the diabetic is going to eat ice cream all week even if it kills him. - Original Message - From: Cliff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:10 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story I thoroughly enjoyed your story. The fact that lurkermore apparently hasa less-than-fulfilling relationship with his kids isn't your problem. I havekids as well and really enjoy hearing other parents tell their stories - pass-ing your wisdom to your kids is a way of gaining quasi-immortality.And wives with kids can be just as exploratory and interested in a widerange of things as anyone else. I know from direct experience.Thanks again for your story - it touched quite a few things in me, althoughI think I got over being broken-hearted a while ago. TM has always beenwonderful, from my point of view. The TMO and MMY ran off the trackssome time back - just the way these things go...--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "benjaminccollins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I knew there was a risk publishing this story on FFL! I probably deserve the slings and arrows. But I think that the experience of initiating was worthwhile. It is the one true thing that remains unaffected by all the TMO crap. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "benjaminccollins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snsnip My kids all know that I meditate, and that I do pujas, and go to the Hindu Temple. There are lots of Ganeshas in my home and it is all part of their world. But I have never pushed it on them. We talk about it at times, and they know that if I don't meditate I get cranky.snip The puja room is bed room sized and contains my spiritual library and 2 elaborate altars with a 3 foot stone Ganesha and a 4 foot Durga along with Vishnu, Lakshmi and other deities.snip (For some reason people think other people want to hear every cute little detail about their kids.) By the way Ben, just curious, is there a wife in this picture somewhere. I mean it's quite a get up you have and wives with kids tend get pretty mainstream.P.S. I've got three young kids of my own. Maybe that's why the last thing I want hear is about other little kids lurkTo subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
