[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > Ever heard the crow-and-the-coconut analogy? It > > appears in many Indian and Tibetan teachings. > > The seeker is hangin' out, just Being, and a > > crow alights on a branch on the tree in front > > of him. Immediately afterwards, a coconut falls > > from a branch on the other side of the tree. > > > > Now, was there a cause and effect relationship > > between the crow landing on a branch over here > > and the coconut falling off another branch over > > there? Well, there may be or there may not be. > > We will never know. We can only make up stories > > about either the connection between these two > > events or the lack of any such connection and > > hope that the stories inspire us. > > > > Life just expands. Spending a lot of time assign- > > ing a "cause" to those moments in which expands > > a great deal seems to me like a waste of time. > > Better to just surf the wave of expansion. > > > > Part of the problem I have with what I see as *reductionist* > conclusions, like the one above *...better to just surf the > wave of expansion..." is it categorically disallows the > possibility that some people, maybe many people, actually > enjoy the process of thinking about and analyzing things. Many people enjoy masturbating, too. When it comes to figuring out the real cause and effect relation- ships of events in the world, I suggest there is a parallel. :-) That is, if you enjoy, it, pound away. But I really don't believe that you'll ever find an answer that has any particular truth to it. > If you read a bit of ayurveda you learn about the > pitta mind v. the vata mind. More theories. Theories are nice for people who get off on them; I prefer experience. > If you ever read Dr. Bernard Jensen, he talks about > the calcium type who is not prone to deep analysis > (can't remember which of his types are the thinkers). > It's an individual thing, don't you think? For some > analysis is serious, they need to know. The point of the analogy is that there are some things they can *never* know. Ever. No matter how long they ponder or study them. Enlightenment will not change this; they *still* won't know. > For those who see analysis as silly, it's...well...silly > and they cannot figure out why anyone would bother to try > to figure it out. Oh, I can understand it. I like to analyze myself from time to time. I just don't consider it any more meaningful than whacking off, that's all. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Not much thought was needed. Your propensity to support > racist > > > > > Democrats such as Al Gore, Sr. > > > > > > > > As you well know, Al Gore, Sr., was not a racist, > > > > to the contrary. > > > > > > > > Once you clean up that lie, we can continue with > > > > the discussion. > > > > > > There's no discussing with you, Judy, as you won't accept > blatant > > > evidence to the contrary. > > > > As you know, Shemp, the evidence is all in the other > > direction. The facts aren't at issue. The charge is > > a right-wing smear (invented to damage Gore Jr.'s > > presidential candidacy) with no basis in fact. > > Sigh. > > If anyone's interested, I'll be happy to provide you with facts. > We've been over this at least 3 times both here and on a.m.t. And each time you've been shown to be pushing a smear you can't support. and > I'll be happy to provide the links so readers can decide for > themselves. > > I'm betting, though, that no one is interested. Most people know your "facts" are crap, Shemp. They know what the real facts are. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > I suggest you all go back and see what started this silly > > discussion: Sal made a comment which I asked her to clarify (that's > > all!) and all of you partisans went off the deep end. > > The pretended need for clarification, Shemp, was in > itself partisan behavior on your part. > Partisan. Sigh. As I've stated -- and documented here -- many times, I'm a supporter of Clinton's. And I'm a supporter precisely because of what many people would call his conservative voting record which, by the way, surpasses both Reagan and Bush II in terms of putting forward a conservative agenda. That's why I laugh when you go to such great lengths defending the man: his public record on the big issues is pretty much diametrically opposed to everything you, Judy, stand for. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Not much thought was needed. Your propensity to support racist > > > > Democrats such as Al Gore, Sr. > > > > > > As you well know, Al Gore, Sr., was not a racist, > > > to the contrary. > > > > > > Once you clean up that lie, we can continue with > > > the discussion. > > > > There's no discussing with you, Judy, as you won't accept blatant > > evidence to the contrary. > > As you know, Shemp, the evidence is all in the other > direction. The facts aren't at issue. The charge is > a right-wing smear (invented to damage Gore Jr.'s > presidential candidacy) with no basis in fact. Sigh. If anyone's interested, I'll be happy to provide you with facts. We've been over this at least 3 times both here and on a.m.t. and I'll be happy to provide the links so readers can decide for themselves. I'm betting, though, that no one is interested. > > > > > > > Why go over it again? > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I suggest you all go back and see what started this silly > discussion: Sal made a comment which I asked her to clarify (that's > all!) and all of you partisans went off the deep end. The pretended need for clarification, Shemp, was in itself partisan behavior on your part. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > > Not much thought was needed. Your propensity to support racist > > > Democrats such as Al Gore, Sr. > > > > As you well know, Al Gore, Sr., was not a racist, > > to the contrary. > > > > Once you clean up that lie, we can continue with > > the discussion. > > There's no discussing with you, Judy, as you won't accept blatant > evidence to the contrary. As you know, Shemp, the evidence is all in the other direction. The facts aren't at issue. The charge is a right-wing smear (invented to damage Gore Jr.'s presidential candidacy) with no basis in fact. > > Why go over it again? > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > > > > Kathleen Willey? > > > > > > > > Juanita Broderick? > > > > > > Both of these were extremely dubious, > > > > > > > > ...as was the case of Lewinsky. > > > > Except for one small detail: semen on a blue dress. Without that, > > people would still be disbelieving her (as Linda Tripp aptly > pointed > > out). > > > > It's funny how women are often never believed when it comes to > > accusations of rape by powerful men. > > > > But then again we're dealing with Judy Democrats-uber-alles > Stein. > > I wonder, Judy, what your position at the time of their > accusations > > was regarding Clarence Thomas and that Oregon Senator? > > > > Clinton? Oh, you're talking about that guy who was president during > the end of the last Millenium, before > 1) the doctrine of pre-emptive war, > 2) illegal eavesdropping, > 3) leaking of a CIA agent's identity for political gain, > 4) secret industry sessions to determine national policy, > 5) endemic corruption within the ruling party, > 6) a break with many international treaties, > 7) a broken economy, > 8) record deficits, > 9) etc. > > Now, uh, what did this guy Clinton who was president back then, have > to do with any of this? (Oh, and if you're into ancient history, I > heard that Thomas Jefferson fathered an illegitimate child, and that > he was a Republican!!!...) > > C'mon Republicans, as the phrase goes, own your own sh*t...It is > really pathetic when you control the Supreme Court, the Senate, the > House of Representatives, and the Presidency, and the country is now > incredibly f*cked up, that you continue to point fingers at Clinton, > and even Carter for goodness sake. > > Hopefully the Democrats will win back both houses of Congress this > Fall, if they are even capable of doing so, and then you can begin > the self-righteous indignation again. Until then, please own your > own sh*t... > > Thanks. > How silly of all of you. Thank God I'm neither a Republican OR a Democrat. A pox on all your houses. I suggest you all go back and see what started this silly discussion: Sal made a comment which I asked her to clarify (that's all!) and all of you partisans went off the deep end. Your lemming-like partisan natures got you all going off on tangents that had nothing to do with my original innocent question. ...culminating in this post about Bush. How hilarious. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > Not much thought was needed. Your propensity to support racist > > Democrats such as Al Gore, Sr. > > As you well know, Al Gore, Sr., was not a racist, > to the contrary. > > Once you clean up that lie, we can continue with > the discussion. > There's no discussing with you, Judy, as you won't accept blatant evidence to the contrary. Why go over it again? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Kathleen Willey? > > > > > > Juanita Broderick? > > > > Both of these were extremely dubious, > > > > ...as was the case of Lewinsky. > > Except for one small detail: semen on a blue dress. Without that, > people would still be disbelieving her (as Linda Tripp aptly pointed > out). > > It's funny how women are often never believed when it comes to > accusations of rape by powerful men. > > But then again we're dealing with Judy Democrats-uber-alles Stein. > I wonder, Judy, what your position at the time of their accusations > was regarding Clarence Thomas and that Oregon Senator? > Clinton? Oh, you're talking about that guy who was president during the end of the last Millenium, before 1) the doctrine of pre-emptive war, 2) illegal eavesdropping, 3) leaking of a CIA agent's identity for political gain, 4) secret industry sessions to determine national policy, 5) endemic corruption within the ruling party, 6) a break with many international treaties, 7) a broken economy, 8) record deficits, 9) etc. Now, uh, what did this guy Clinton who was president back then, have to do with any of this? (Oh, and if you're into ancient history, I heard that Thomas Jefferson fathered an illegitimate child, and that he was a Republican!!!...) C'mon Republicans, as the phrase goes, own your own sh*t...It is really pathetic when you control the Supreme Court, the Senate, the House of Representatives, and the Presidency, and the country is now incredibly f*cked up, that you continue to point fingers at Clinton, and even Carter for goodness sake. Hopefully the Democrats will win back both houses of Congress this Fall, if they are even capable of doing so, and then you can begin the self-righteous indignation again. Until then, please own your own sh*t... Thanks. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" > wrote: > > > > Yes. Being dissatisfied with something, or its > > extreme case of hitting bottom, is a huge > > impetous to most of my growth. But I don't > > credit suffering with getting me to give it up. > > > > The nature of life is to grow, don't you know. > > I'm going to seek more happiness regardless. > > Well said. From wonder into wonder life will open, > asid the Tao te Ching. > > Ever heard the crow-and-the-coconut analogy? It > appears in many Indian and Tibetan teachings. > The seeker is hangin' out, just Being, and a > crow alights on a branch on the tree in front > of him. Immediately afterwards, a coconut falls > from a branch on the other side of the tree. > > Now, was there a cause and effect relationship > between the crow landing on a branch over here > and the coconut falling off another branch over > there? Well, there may be or there may not be. > We will never know. We can only make up stories > about either the connection between these two > events or the lack of any such connection and > hope that the stories inspire us. > > Life just expands. Spending a lot of time assign- > ing a "cause" to those moments in which expands > a great deal seems to me like a waste of time. > Better to just surf the wave of expansion. > Part of the problem I have with what I see as *reductionist* conclusions, like the one above *...better to just surf the wave of expansion..." is it categorically disallows the possibility that some people, maybe many people, actually enjoy the process of thinking about and analyzing things. If you read a bit of ayurveda you learn about the pitta mind v. the vata mind. If you ever read Dr. Bernard Jensen, he talks about the calcium type who is not prone to deep analysis (can't remember which of his types are the thinkers). It's an individual thing, don't you think? For some analysis is serious, they need to know. For those who see analysis as silly, it's...well...silly and they cannot figure out why anyone would bother to try to figure it out. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes. Being dissatisfied with something, or its > extreme case of hitting bottom, is a huge > impetous to most of my growth. But I don't > credit suffering with getting me to give it up. > > The nature of life is to grow, don't you know. > I'm going to seek more happiness regardless. Well said. From wonder into wonder life will open, asid the Tao te Ching. Ever heard the crow-and-the-coconut analogy? It appears in many Indian and Tibetan teachings. The seeker is hangin' out, just Being, and a crow alights on a branch on the tree in front of him. Immediately afterwards, a coconut falls from a branch on the other side of the tree. Now, was there a cause and effect relationship between the crow landing on a branch over here and the coconut falling off another branch over there? Well, there may be or there may not be. We will never know. We can only make up stories about either the connection between these two events or the lack of any such connection and hope that the stories inspire us. Life just expands. Spending a lot of time assign- ing a "cause" to those moments in which expands a great deal seems to me like a waste of time. Better to just surf the wave of expansion. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes. Being dissatisfied with something, or its > extreme case of hitting bottom, is a huge > impetous to most of my growth. But I don't > credit suffering with getting me to give it up. > > The nature of life is to grow, don't you know. > I'm going to seek more happiness regardless. Well said. From wonder into wonder life will open, asid the Tao te Ching. Ever heard the crow-and-the-coconut analogy? It appears in many Indian and Tibetan teachings. The seeker is hangin' out, just Being, and a crow alights on a branch on the tree in front of him. Immediately afterwards, a coconut falls from a branch on the other side of the tree. Now, was there a cause and effect relationship between the crow landing on a branch over here and the coconut falling off another branch over there? Well, there may be or there may not be. We will never know. We can only make up stories about either the connection between these two events and hope that the stories inspire us. Life just expands. Spending a lot of time assign- ing a "cause" to those moments in which expands a great deal seems to me like a waste of time. Better to just surf the wave of expansion. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not much thought was needed. Your propensity to support racist > Democrats such as Al Gore, Sr. As you well know, Al Gore, Sr., was not a racist, to the contrary. Once you clean up that lie, we can continue with the discussion. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We're talking about two different people here, Tucker > > Carlson > > > > (TV > > > > > > talk > > > > > > > show host) and Curtis Mailloux (former DC TM Center > > Chairman, > > > > now > > > > > > a > > > > > > > blues musician in VA). The two have absolutely nothing > in > > > > > common, > > > > > > > except that I thought they looked sort of similar. > > Carlson > > > > was > > > > > > the one > > > > > > > accused of sexual shenanigans, and, as Shemp said, they > > were > > > > > > unfounded > > > > > > > or dismissed...Although the accusation itself did have a > > very > > > > > > profound > > > > > > > effect on him, as I recall, and led to him becoming at > > least > > > > > > somewhat > > > > > > > more aware of unfounded accusations being tossed at > > others, > > > > like > > > > > > > Clinton > > > > > > > > > > > > Which accusations against Clinton were unfounded? > > > > > > > > > > Were you on vacation on the moon back in the '90s, > > > > > perhance? > > > > > > > > No, again, I'm wondering which accusations against Clinton were > > > > unfounded? > > > > > > Yes, you said that the first time. And I asked whether > > > you were on vacation on the moon back in the '90s. > > > > > > > The ones regarding Monica? > > > > > > Huh?? He *admitted* to those regarding Monica. Why > > > on earth would you ask whether those were unfounded? > > > > > > > Kathleen Willey? > > > > > > > > Juanita Broderick? > > > > > > Both of these were extremely dubious, > > > > ...as was the case of Lewinsky. > > > > Except for one small detail: semen on a blue dress. Without that, > > people would still be disbelieving her (as Linda Tripp aptly > > pointed out). > > Oh, some few would, no doubt. However, the *other* > evidence for the affair was overwhelming; the semen > stain, the absolute clincher, came almost as an > anticlimax (you should pardon the _expression_). And > there was virtually no evidence that could have been > used to argue the affair had *not* occurred. > > In the cases of Willey and Broaddrick, the evidence > *for* the incidents was by no means overwhelming, and > there was a good deal of evidence to the contrary. > (Read "The Hunting of the President" sometime.) > > > It's funny how women are often never believed when it comes to > > accusations of rape by powerful men. > > It's often a tough call when there's no hard evidence, > because the men have very strong motivation to deny > the charges, and the women may well have equally > strong motivations to make a false accusation. Not > to mention the significant gray area regarding what > does and does not constitute rape, including the issue > of consent. > > > But then again we're dealing with Judy Democrats-uber-alles Stein. > > I wonder, Judy, what your position at the time of their accusations > > was regarding Clarence Thomas and that Oregon Senator? > > Um, let's see now, are you suggesting that Democrats > are more likely to disbelieve women's accusations against > powerful men than Republicans? No, I'm suggesting that biased Democrats such as yourself are more likely to disbelieve women's accusations against powerful Democrats than powerful Republicans. > > I'll be happy to respond to your question once you've > answered mine (my response would be the same whether > you answer yes or no; I'm just not positive you really > thought through what you said). Not much thought was needed. Your propensity to support racist Democrats such as Al Gore, Sr. and former KKKer Robert Byrd leaves little doubt about where you stand when it comes to defending Democrats. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > We're talking about two different people here, Tucker > Carlson > > > (TV > > > > > talk > > > > > > show host) and Curtis Mailloux (former DC TM Center > Chairman, > > > now > > > > > a > > > > > > blues musician in VA). The two have absolutely nothing in > > > > common, > > > > > > except that I thought they looked sort of similar. > Carlson > > > was > > > > > the one > > > > > > accused of sexual shenanigans, and, as Shemp said, they > were > > > > > unfounded > > > > > > or dismissed...Although the accusation itself did have a > very > > > > > profound > > > > > > effect on him, as I recall, and led to him becoming at > least > > > > > somewhat > > > > > > more aware of unfounded accusations being tossed at > others, > > > like > > > > > > Clinton > > > > > > > > > > Which accusations against Clinton were unfounded? > > > > > > > > Were you on vacation on the moon back in the '90s, > > > > perhance? > > > > > > No, again, I'm wondering which accusations against Clinton were > > > unfounded? > > > > Yes, you said that the first time. And I asked whether > > you were on vacation on the moon back in the '90s. > > > > > The ones regarding Monica? > > > > Huh?? He *admitted* to those regarding Monica. Why > > on earth would you ask whether those were unfounded? > > > > > Kathleen Willey? > > > > > > Juanita Broderick? > > > > Both of these were extremely dubious, > > ...as was the case of Lewinsky. > > Except for one small detail: semen on a blue dress. Without that, > people would still be disbelieving her (as Linda Tripp aptly > pointed out). Oh, some few would, no doubt. However, the *other* evidence for the affair was overwhelming; the semen stain, the absolute clincher, came almost as an anticlimax (you should pardon the _expression_). And there was virtually no evidence that could have been used to argue the affair had *not* occurred. In the cases of Willey and Broaddrick, the evidence *for* the incidents was by no means overwhelming, and there was a good deal of evidence to the contrary. (Read "The Hunting of the President" sometime.) > It's funny how women are often never believed when it comes to > accusations of rape by powerful men. It's often a tough call when there's no hard evidence, because the men have very strong motivation to deny the charges, and the women may well have equally strong motivations to make a false accusation. Not to mention the significant gray area regarding what does and does not constitute rape, including the issue of consent. > But then again we're dealing with Judy Democrats-uber-alles Stein. > I wonder, Judy, what your position at the time of their accusations > was regarding Clarence Thomas and that Oregon Senator? Um, let's see now, are you suggesting that Democrats are more likely to disbelieve women's accusations against powerful men than Republicans? I'll be happy to respond to your question once you've answered mine (my response would be the same whether you answer yes or no; I'm just not positive you really thought through what you said). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > We're talking about two different people here, Tucker Carlson > > (TV > > > > talk > > > > > show host) and Curtis Mailloux (former DC TM Center Chairman, > > now > > > > a > > > > > blues musician in VA). The two have absolutely nothing in > > > common, > > > > > except that I thought they looked sort of similar. Carlson > > was > > > > the one > > > > > accused of sexual shenanigans, and, as Shemp said, they were > > > > unfounded > > > > > or dismissed...Although the accusation itself did have a very > > > > profound > > > > > effect on him, as I recall, and led to him becoming at least > > > > somewhat > > > > > more aware of unfounded accusations being tossed at others, > > like > > > > > Clinton > > > > > > > > Which accusations against Clinton were unfounded? > > > > > > Were you on vacation on the moon back in the '90s, > > > perhance? > > > > No, again, I'm wondering which accusations against Clinton were > > unfounded? > > Yes, you said that the first time. And I asked whether > you were on vacation on the moon back in the '90s. > > > The ones regarding Monica? > > Huh?? He *admitted* to those regarding Monica. Why > on earth would you ask whether those were unfounded? > > > Kathleen Willey? > > > > Juanita Broderick? > > Both of these were extremely dubious, ...as was the case of Lewinsky. Except for one small detail: semen on a blue dress. Without that, people would still be disbelieving her (as Linda Tripp aptly pointed out). It's funny how women are often never believed when it comes to accusations of rape by powerful men. But then again we're dealing with Judy Democrats-uber-alles Stein. I wonder, Judy, what your position at the time of their accusations was regarding Clarence Thomas and that Oregon Senator? > as were the > supposed liaisons reported by the Arkansas state > troopers, not to mention the endless litanies > of accusations about murders and drug-running and > crooked business deals (remember Whitewater?) and > malfeasance in office. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
Responses interleaved below. --- authfriend wrote: > > --- TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- Gillam wrote: > > > > > > I recall a post at alt.meditation.transcendental years > > > ago by a guy who said he immersed himself in the > > > organization for 10 years in hopes of getting even > > > one of the advertised benefits. He moved to Fairfield > > > and did everything he was told to do *despite being > > > unable to attribute one benefit* to the practice. > > > Finally said, "Enough!" > > > > > > He said the practice was a sham. What I took away > > > was, it took him 10 years of TM to grow a spine. > > > > That's one very cause-and-effect way of looking > > at it. Here's another. Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo > > was convinced that it was the "magic feather" > > given to him by his guru that enabled him to fly, > > so he flew. As it turns out, the feather never > > did diddleysquat; the ability to fly was always > > present, just not realized. Yes, of course. When I say the ex-TMer who took 10 years to grow a spine could credit his growth to TM, I realize TM may have had nothing to do with his growth. But, on the other hand, TM *may* have helped, which is amusing to contemplate. > Sometimes a cigar is > > just a cigar; sometimes someone waking up and > > realizing that the TM movement is not for them > > is just waking up and realizing that the TM > > movement is not for them. TM is not necessarily > > the "cause" of that revelation, no more than > > the battery was the "cause" of the battered > > wife finding a better life without an out- > > of-control husband. Yes. Being dissatisfied with something, or its extreme case of hitting bottom, is a huge impetous to most of my growth. But I don't credit suffering with getting me to give it up. The nature of life is to grow, don't you know. I'm going to seek more happiness regardless. > I'm not sure Patrick was suggesting his theory > applied in all cases. He was referring to one > specific type of former TMer, the type who, after > leaving the movement, spends a significant > percentage of their time bashing it instead of > just moving on. It's been interesting to see the range of relationships people on this list have to TM: - I loved TM in the past and still do. - I was fanatical about TM in the past, but am more practical about it today. - I loved TM at the time and am grateful for what it brought, but I do something else now. - I loved TM delusionally; I feel I was scammed. - My dysfunctional attachment to the TM ideology has been relocated to another ideology. (This reaction is never articulated as such; it just appears to be so.) And the list goes on. What role does the practice of TM have in any of these progressions? Individuals would have to speak for themselves. And I'd love to hear from them. My conjectures are just play. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > We're talking about two different people here, Tucker Carlson > > (TV > > > > talk > > > > > show host) and Curtis Mailloux (former DC TM Center Chairman, > > now > > > > a > > > > > blues musician in VA). The two have absolutely nothing in > > > common, > > > > > except that I thought they looked sort of similar. Carlson > > was > > > > the one > > > > > accused of sexual shenanigans, and, as Shemp said, they were > > > > unfounded > > > > > or dismissed...Although the accusation itself did have a very > > > > profound > > > > > effect on him, as I recall, and led to him becoming at least > > > > somewhat > > > > > more aware of unfounded accusations being tossed at others, > > like > > > > > Clinton > > > > > > > > Which accusations against Clinton were unfounded? > > > > > > Were you on vacation on the moon back in the '90s, > > > perhance? > > > > > > > > > No, again, I'm wondering which accusations against Clinton were > > unfounded? > > A endless host of financial allegations which cost american taxpayers > millions of dollars and occupied huge amount of air time. > That Gov Clinton was involved in the Ark. cocaine trade. > That Gov. Clinton ordered the murder and cover up of 3 boys who > supposedly found out about Clintons' involvement in illegal drugs. > That Clintons were involved in murder and coverup of vince foster. > A whole host of sexual allegations against hillary clinton. > A whole host of criminal sexual allegations against bill clinton - > (note, adultery for which he is guilty is not a crime). > > I could go on much more -- all of these were discussed in serious > tones on all the major repub. outlets. > The question was in context of just the "sexual" allegations, not the other stuff (of which I know practically nothing). Clinton lost his license to practise law regarding one of those allegations. When the poster says "unfounded", I'm wondering: does she mean ALL the allegations are unfounded? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > We're talking about two different people here, Tucker Carlson > (TV > > > talk > > > > show host) and Curtis Mailloux (former DC TM Center Chairman, > now > > > a > > > > blues musician in VA). The two have absolutely nothing in > > common, > > > > except that I thought they looked sort of similar. Carlson > was > > > the one > > > > accused of sexual shenanigans, and, as Shemp said, they were > > > unfounded > > > > or dismissed...Although the accusation itself did have a very > > > profound > > > > effect on him, as I recall, and led to him becoming at least > > > somewhat > > > > more aware of unfounded accusations being tossed at others, > like > > > > Clinton > > > > > > Which accusations against Clinton were unfounded? > > > > Were you on vacation on the moon back in the '90s, > > perhance? > > No, again, I'm wondering which accusations against Clinton were > unfounded? Yes, you said that the first time. And I asked whether you were on vacation on the moon back in the '90s. > The ones regarding Monica? Huh?? He *admitted* to those regarding Monica. Why on earth would you ask whether those were unfounded? > Kathleen Willey? > > Juanita Broderick? Both of these were extremely dubious, as were the supposed liaisons reported by the Arkansas state troopers, not to mention the endless litanies of accusations about murders and drug-running and crooked business deals (remember Whitewater?) and malfeasance in office. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" > wrote: > > > > --- authfriend wrote: > > > > > > --- Gillam wrote: > > > > > > > > Consider this wrinkle: they didn't see the error in > > > > their judgment *until they had done TM for a while.* > > > > It's like, add perception of TM's shortcomings to the > > > > list of benefits engendered by TM. The irony is too delicious. > > > > > > But it's something of an infinite regress; they're > > > still making an error of judgment in not seeing > > > that TM made it possible for them to see their > > > *original* error of judgment. > > > > Ha! Yeah, it goes on and on - if one takes this analysis > > seriously. I'm doing it for amusement, so I cannot honestly > > say what makes people fall in love with TM, then feel jilted > > when it appears to fail them. > > While I agree about the "jilted" thang, having > lived with a control-freak harpy doesn't really > have any cause-and-effect relationship to having > later met a great woman, does it? I don't think Patrick's theory necessarily includes the second component of finding a new and better technique/path, though. One type of former-now-rabid-anti-TMer his theory would *not* apply to, on the other hand, would be those who "move on" to, say, fundamentalist Christianity, or an allegiance to another equally or even more flawed guru, or any other situation in which they find themselves giving up their autonomy. Some women get it together to leave one abusive man only to "move on" to another one. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think he already is. H... > --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > on 5/7/06 7:51 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > > > > Well. I like Curtis quite a bit. I knew him at MIU > > > when I was there from '74 to '78. He was > > energetic, > > > talkative, and enthusiastic. An all around good, > > > sattvic guy. Right after I joinned FFL several > > years > > > ago he contacted my just to give a friendly hello. > > > > Maybe we should invite him into FFL. Whadya say > > Judy? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > We're talking about two different people here, Tucker Carlson > (TV > > > talk > > > > show host) and Curtis Mailloux (former DC TM Center Chairman, > now > > > a > > > > blues musician in VA). The two have absolutely nothing in > > common, > > > > except that I thought they looked sort of similar. Carlson > was > > > the one > > > > accused of sexual shenanigans, and, as Shemp said, they were > > > unfounded > > > > or dismissed...Although the accusation itself did have a very > > > profound > > > > effect on him, as I recall, and led to him becoming at least > > > somewhat > > > > more aware of unfounded accusations being tossed at others, > like > > > > Clinton > > > > > > Which accusations against Clinton were unfounded? > > > > Were you on vacation on the moon back in the '90s, > > perhance? > > > > > No, again, I'm wondering which accusations against Clinton were > unfounded? A endless host of financial allegations which cost american taxpayers millions of dollars and occupied huge amount of air time. That Gov Clinton was involved in the Ark. cocaine trade. That Gov. Clinton ordered the murder and cover up of 3 boys who supposedly found out about Clintons' involvement in illegal drugs. That Clintons were involved in murder and coverup of vince foster. A whole host of sexual allegations against hillary clinton. A whole host of criminal sexual allegations against bill clinton - (note, adultery for which he is guilty is not a crime). I could go on much more -- all of these were discussed in serious tones on all the major repub. outlets. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
I think he already is. --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 5/7/06 7:51 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > Well. I like Curtis quite a bit. I knew him at MIU > > when I was there from '74 to '78. He was > energetic, > > talkative, and enthusiastic. An all around good, > > sattvic guy. Right after I joinned FFL several > years > > ago he contacted my just to give a friendly hello. > > Maybe we should invite him into FFL. Whadya say > Judy? > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Home is just a click away.� Make Yahoo! your home > page now. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- authfriend wrote: > > > > --- Gillam wrote: > > > > > > Consider this wrinkle: they didn't see the error in > > > their judgment *until they had done TM for a while.* > > > It's like, add perception of TM's shortcomings to the > > > list of benefits engendered by TM. The irony is too delicious. > > > > But it's something of an infinite regress; they're > > still making an error of judgment in not seeing > > that TM made it possible for them to see their > > *original* error of judgment. > > Ha! Yeah, it goes on and on - if one takes this analysis > seriously. I'm doing it for amusement, so I cannot honestly > say what makes people fall in love with TM, then feel jilted > when it appears to fail them. While I agree about the "jilted" thang, having lived with a control-freak harpy doesn't really have any cause-and-effect relationship to having later met a great woman, does it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On May 6, 2006, at 10:03 PM, bob_brigante wrote: > > > > > > > Didn't Curtis used to have blond hair? > > > > > > Not that I knew of. During his stint as TMO enforcer, I mean, > > > Center Chairman, it was light to medium brown. > > > > Unfortunately, his blues feel a bit soulless! > > Huh, that was my reaction too. I thought I might be > biased because he was such a horrendous pain on > alt.m.t, but maybe not. > > His harmonica is awfully good, though. Yeah, "Train Time" is awesome, but IMO the version by Jack Bruce of Cream has more blues. > > And it could be he's more soulful in person... > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > > wrote: > > > > > > We're talking about two different people here, Tucker Carlson (TV > > talk > > > show host) and Curtis Mailloux (former DC TM Center Chairman, now > > a > > > blues musician in VA). The two have absolutely nothing in > common, > > > except that I thought they looked sort of similar. Carlson was > > the one > > > accused of sexual shenanigans, and, as Shemp said, they were > > unfounded > > > or dismissed...Although the accusation itself did have a very > > profound > > > effect on him, as I recall, and led to him becoming at least > > somewhat > > > more aware of unfounded accusations being tossed at others, like > > > Clinton > > > > Which accusations against Clinton were unfounded? > > Were you on vacation on the moon back in the '90s, > perhance? > No, again, I'm wondering which accusations against Clinton were unfounded? The ones regarding Monica? Kathleen Willey? Juanita Broderick? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- authfriend wrote: > > --- Gillam wrote: > > > > Consider this wrinkle: they didn't see the error in > > their judgment *until they had done TM for a while.* > > It's like, add perception of TM's shortcomings to the > > list of benefits engendered by TM. The irony is too delicious. > > But it's something of an infinite regress; they're > still making an error of judgment in not seeing > that TM made it possible for them to see their > *original* error of judgment. Ha! Yeah, it goes on and on - if one takes this analysis seriously. I'm doing it for amusement, so I cannot honestly say what makes people fall in love with TM, then feel jilted when it appears to fail them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
Just what I was thinking...I just don't have the energy to partake of these endless debates which usually lead nowhere. Sal On May 7, 2006, at 6:31 PM, authfriend wrote: Were you on vacation on the moon back in the '90s, perhance?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > wrote: > > > > We're talking about two different people here, Tucker Carlson (TV > talk > > show host) and Curtis Mailloux (former DC TM Center Chairman, now > a > > blues musician in VA). The two have absolutely nothing in common, > > except that I thought they looked sort of similar. Carlson was > the one > > accused of sexual shenanigans, and, as Shemp said, they were > unfounded > > or dismissed...Although the accusation itself did have a very > profound > > effect on him, as I recall, and led to him becoming at least > somewhat > > more aware of unfounded accusations being tossed at others, like > > Clinton > > Which accusations against Clinton were unfounded? Were you on vacation on the moon back in the '90s, perhance? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We're talking about two different people here, Tucker Carlson (TV talk > show host) and Curtis Mailloux (former DC TM Center Chairman, now a > blues musician in VA). The two have absolutely nothing in common, > except that I thought they looked sort of similar. Carlson was the one > accused of sexual shenanigans, and, as Shemp said, they were unfounded > or dismissed...Although the accusation itself did have a very profound > effect on him, as I recall, and led to him becoming at least somewhat > more aware of unfounded accusations being tossed at others, like > Clinton Which accusations against Clinton were unfounded? > and Gary Condit--that's what I meant by 'transformation'...not > a sex change! > > Sal > > > On May 7, 2006, at 2:48 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > He underwent some kind of transformation after he got > > > > accused of sexual shenanigans by someone. > > > > > > An accusation that was completely unfounded. As I recall, > > > a woman accused him of having sexual dalliances with him > > > over several years in a city in which Carlson had never > > > even visited. > > > > Given the pronoun usage above, it sounds as if Curtis > > is not the only one who had some kind of transformation. > > > > She starts out as a woman, and later accuses Curtis with > > having sexual dalliances with *him*. Curious minds want > > to know: are we talking sex change here, or did you just > > mistype? > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- mainstream20016 wrote: > > > > Curtis is an open-guitar-case on-the-sidewalk one man band Blues Musician ? > > The term is "busking"; Mr. Mailloux is a busker. > > > by protesting the movement, Xers were vulnerable > > to the criticism that prior to victimization they had > > abandoned better thinking and placed themselves > > in a position to be disappointed or taken advantage of. > > Consider this wrinkle: they didn't see the error in > their judgment *until they had done TM for a while.* > It's like, add perception of TM's shortcomings to the > list of benefits engendered by TM. The irony is too delicious. But it's something of an infinite regress; they're still making an error of judgment in not seeing that TM made it possible for them to see their *original* error of judgment. > I recall a post at alt.meditation.transcendental years > ago by a guy who said he immersed himself in the > organization for 10 years in hopes of getting even > one of the advertised benefits. He moved to Fairfield > and did everything he was told to do *despite being > unable to attribute one benefit* to the practice. > Finally said, "Enough!" > > He said the practice was a sham. What I took away > was, it took him 10 years of TM to grow a spine. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- mainstream20016 wrote: > > Curtis is an open-guitar-case on-the-sidewalk one man band Blues Musician ? The term is "busking"; Mr. Mailloux is a busker. > by protesting the movement, Xers were vulnerable > to the criticism that prior to victimization they had > abandoned better thinking and placed themselves > in a position to be disappointed or taken advantage of. Consider this wrinkle: they didn't see the error in their judgment *until they had done TM for a while.* It's like, add perception of TM's shortcomings to the list of benefits engendered by TM. The irony is too delicious. I recall a post at alt.meditation.transcendental years ago by a guy who said he immersed himself in the organization for 10 years in hopes of getting even one of the advertised benefits. He moved to Fairfield and did everything he was told to do *despite being unable to attribute one benefit* to the practice. Finally said, "Enough!" He said the practice was a sham. What I took away was, it took him 10 years of TM to grow a spine. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > wrote: > > > > On May 6, 2006, at 11:08 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: > > > Tucker Carlson is famously down on > > > record as opposing the U.S. invasion of Iraq. > > > > He underwent some kind of transformation after he got accused of > > sexual shenanigans by someone. > > An accusation that was completely unfounded. As I recall, a woman > accused him of having sexual dalliances with him over several years > in a city in which Carlson had never even visited. >From an interview with Bill Hemmer of CNN right before Carlson's book was published (which contains an account of the accusation): HEMMER: A serious topic here. Really interesting to hear the way you write about this episode. What happened when this woman came forward out of Kentucky and accused you of something quite severe? CARLSON: Well, I got off the air one night off of "CROSSFIRE," and someone handed me my mail. And there was a letter from an attorney in Indiana named Matt Blanton (ph), and it said, my client says that she has been raped by you and is filing -- going to go to the D.A. in Louisville, Kentucky and is going to have felony sexual assault charges filed against you. Should you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to call me. And I did, in fact, have questions or concerns. I had never been to Louisville, Kentucky. I had never heard of the woman in question. And so, I got an attorney and got to the bottom of it. But in the meantime, the first night I actually woke up at 3:00 in the morning sort of thinking that, you know, maybe I had a brain tumor or something. You know, maybe I had done some horrible crime and not been aware of it, because I was so convinced just from years of being in and around journalism that everybody accused of a sex crime, if not absolutely guilty, is in some way guilty. You know, maybe you didn't rape her, but you definitely had something to do with her. I mean, it's sort of axiomatic, as you know, among journalists that you're never completely innocent, but I was. HEMMER: So, you said you would wake up in the middle of the night and give this thing a lot of thought. If you had never been to Louisville, did not recall the name, why would you even go down the road that led you to think and believe that maybe it was -- there was a glimmer of truth in it? CARLSON: Well, I didn't really believe I had done it, but it was just so baffling, because I had been, on a subconscious level, absolutely convinced that, again, people don't get accused of things they have no connection to. Right? There is always a sliver of truth in every accusation. No one is completely innocent. Of course, it turns out that people sometimes are completely innocent, like me in this case. HEMMER: Yes, so you lived this down in the end, correct? How did it this... (CROSSTALK) CARLSON: I did live it down. I mean, ultimately, you know, I hired a wonderful lawyer, Bob Bennett (ph), in Washington, and ended up taking the polygraph exam from the former chief examiner at the FBI, and found out that the woman who accused me, though she was a CPA and a pillar of the community... HEMMER: Yes. CARLSON: ... where she lived, had mental problems and was in fact just, you know, a delusional viewer of the show and had convinced herself that I had committed this terrible crime. Ultimately, no charges were filed, and it didn't become public. HEMMER: Yes. CARLSON: So, I didn't have to, you know... HEMMER: So, you spend the legal fees, about 14 grand. You take a lie detector test. You live it down. It's behind you right now. You touched on it earlier. Why do you feel compelled to come public and tell this story? CARLSON: Well, I'll tell you exactly why. It's what I said a moment ago. You know, it's one of the biases I think that journalists have, and most of the time it's unconscious. It's not -- they don't know that they have the bias. Gary Condit is a great example. Virtually everyone I knew in covering that story believed, you know, people say, you know, he killed his girlfriend. That's what people are whispering. Yes, he probably did. He probably had something to do with it, because the accusation is out there and you just assume that there is always an element of truth to every accusation. And, again, sometimes there isn't, and it's really important to open yourself up to the possibility that sometimes people are just completely falsely accused. It's rare, but it does happen. It was really an education for me. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh y
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mainstream20016" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Curtis is an open-guitar-case on-the-sidewalk one man band Blues Musician ? I must > wish him well, wish him well. This is very entertaining news, although it will take me > awhile to buy into the blues thing, as Curtis is very unlikely to have the real blues. His > latest incarnation is probably the best vehicle for his excellent public presentation talent. Check out his Web site, www.curtisblues.com. I'm not sure I could tell the difference between honest-to-God blues and a really good imitation, but I wouldn't be surprised if Curtis was doing the latter. I'd be very interested to know your opinion after you've heard him. Here's the Web page for his CD: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues > Always loved him (even after I was rejected for TTC while he was chairman of the Leroy > Pl. DC TM Center !). Several years later, I, too, received a call from him. It was in 90 or 91 > - he invited me to meet with him and TM-EXers. Was this while you were still with the movement, or after you'd left? (Or haven't you left?) Many years ago, I got an email from a TM-Exer after I'd left a post concerning TM on some forum (before I'd ever joined alt.m.t, probably around the same time Curtis contacted you), asking if he could call me to talk about TM. I was curious as to what he was up to, so I agreed. He sent me a bunch of materials to read in preparation. The materials and the call were pretty much what you'd expect. He tried hard, but I wasn't buying. I've long since forgotten his name, but I'd love to know, since I later got to know a bunch of the TM-Exers later on alt.m.t. It's the only instance I know about of their doing "outreach" to somebody who was an active, committed TMer. > I politely declined, but refrained from > asking him the question I have had all these years for the TM > EXers. If I realized I had been 'had' by the movement, wouldn't I > want to admit to myself a mistake on my part, and move on with my > life and minimize drawing attention to my faulty judgment? I think > that by protesting the movement, Xers were vulnerable to the > criticism that prior to victimization they had abandoned better > thinking and placed themselves in a position to be disappointed or > taken advantage of. Ah, but that would be "blaming the victim," you see. In my experience, most former-now-anti-TMers will, if pressed, admit to a degree of responsibility, but the real blame is reserved for the TMO. They claim that they protest the movement because they want to save others from the same fate. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: > > > > Well. I like Curtis quite a bit. I knew him at MIU > > when I was there from '74 to '78. He was energetic, > > talkative, and enthusiastic. An all around good, > > sattvic guy. Right after I joinned FFL several years > > ago he contacted my just to give a friendly hello. > > > > --- Sal Sunshine wrote: > > > > > Probably a result of stress. To some degree, he and > > > Laura were a > > > perfect match, and I was surprised they didn't last > > > longer. Both were > > > nice-looking, made of steel, extremely > > > materialistic, and absolutely > > > obsessed with the TMO. > > > > > > Sal > > > > > > > > > On May 6, 2006, at 8:13 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > > > > My wife was a guest in his and his (now divorced) > > > wife Laura�s house > > > > for a while after leaving Mother Divine. Curtis > > > used to sleepwalk all > > > > over the house, sweeping things off tables and > > > counters and cupboard > > > > shelves, and generally making a racket. This was > > > when he was still in > > > > the movement. > > > > > > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
We're talking about two different people here, Tucker Carlson (TV talk show host) and Curtis Mailloux (former DC TM Center Chairman, now a blues musician in VA). The two have absolutely nothing in common, except that I thought they looked sort of similar. Carlson was the one accused of sexual shenanigans, and, as Shemp said, they were unfounded or dismissed...Although the accusation itself did have a very profound effect on him, as I recall, and led to him becoming at least somewhat more aware of unfounded accusations being tossed at others, like Clinton and Gary Condit--that's what I meant by 'transformation'...not a sex change! Sal On May 7, 2006, at 2:48 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > wrote: > > > > He underwent some kind of transformation after he got > > accused of sexual shenanigans by someone. > > An accusation that was completely unfounded. As I recall, > a woman accused him of having sexual dalliances with him > over several years in a city in which Carlson had never > even visited. Given the pronoun usage above, it sounds as if Curtis is not the only one who had some kind of transformation. She starts out as a woman, and later accuses Curtis with having sexual dalliances with *him*. Curious minds want to know: are we talking sex change here, or did you just mistype?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > wrote: > > > > He underwent some kind of transformation after he got > > accused of sexual shenanigans by someone. > > An accusation that was completely unfounded. As I recall, > a woman accused him of having sexual dalliances with him > over several years in a city in which Carlson had never > even visited. Given the pronoun usage above, it sounds as if Curtis is not the only one who had some kind of transformation. She starts out as a woman, and later accuses Curtis with having sexual dalliances with *him*. Curious minds want to know: are we talking sex change here, or did you just mistype? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
Curtis is an open-guitar-case on-the-sidewalk one man band Blues Musician ? I must wish him well, wish him well. This is very entertaining news, although it will take me awhile to buy into the blues thing, as Curtis is very unlikely to have the real blues. His latest incarnation is probably the best vehicle for his excellent public presentation talent. Always loved him (even after I was rejected for TTC while he was chairman of the Leroy Pl. DC TM Center !). Several years later, I, too, received a call from him. It was in 90 or 91 - he invited me to meet with him and TM-EXers. I politely declined, but refrained from asking him the question I have had all these years for the TM EXers. If I realized I had been 'had' by the movement, wouldn't I want to admit to myself a mistake on my part, and move on with my life and minimize drawing attention to my faulty judgment? I think that by protesting the movement, Xers were vulnerable to the criticism that prior to victimization they had abandoned better thinking and placed themselves in a position to be disappointed or taken advantage of. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well. I like Curtis quite a bit. I knew him at MIU > when I was there from '74 to '78. He was energetic, > talkative, and enthusiastic. An all around good, > sattvic guy. Right after I joinned FFL several years > ago he contacted my just to give a friendly hello. > > --- Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Probably a result of stress. To some degree, he and > > Laura were a > > perfect match, and I was surprised they didn't last > > longer. Both were > > nice-looking, made of steel, extremely > > materialistic, and absolutely > > obsessed with the TMO. > > > > Sal > > > > > > On May 6, 2006, at 8:13 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > > My wife was a guest in his and his (now divorced) > > wife Laura�s house > > > for a while after leaving Mother Divine. Curtis > > used to sleepwalk all > > > over the house, sweeping things off tables and > > counters and cupboard > > > shelves, and generally making a racket. This was > > when he was still in > > > the movement. > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On May 6, 2006, at 11:08 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: > > > What makes someone "right wing"? > > Usually espousing right-wing viewpoints, and Tucker, from the several > times I've watched him, seems to have or had many. > > > Tucker Carlson is famously down on > > record as opposing the U.S. invasion of Iraq. > > He underwent some kind of transformation after he got accused of sexual > shenanigans by someone. An accusation that was completely unfounded. As I recall, a woman accused him of having sexual dalliances with him over several years in a city in which Carlson had never even visited. > > Sal > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt? sorry, mistake
Curtis MacDonald, perhaps? I wondered about that, because Curtis Mailloux as far as I know didn't work at CNL, but MacDonald did, for a number of years. Sal On May 7, 2006, at 1:01 PM, markmeredith2002 wrote: SORRY, just realized I'm thinking of a different guy than the subject of this thread. Similar name but not the same > > He threw one of our local center's citizen sidhas, a lady, off a > course and onto the streets of downtown DC, outside the CNL which at > that time was a bad location, at 10:30 pm after someone there got word > she had visited a jyotishi while in India on the vedic science course > (this was when jyotishis were apparently considered off the program > though there was no official policy on it). Probably just following > instructions from on high, but I never would have done that even in my > deepest TB days. >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
I took many courses and practically lived there for over a year, so I remember the location well, and 10:30 at night was not a time you wanted to be outside if you could help it. Seems to me that could have been potentially actionable for a number of reasons. Sal On May 7, 2006, at 12:54 PM, markmeredith2002 wrote: He threw one of our local center's citizen sidhas, a lady, off a course and onto the streets of downtown DC, outside the CNL which at that time was a bad location, at 10:30 pm after someone there got word she had visited a jyotishi while in India on the vedic science course (this was when jyotishis were apparently considered off the program though there was no official policy on it). Probably just following instructions from on high, but I never would have done that even in my deepest TB days.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt? sorry, mistake
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: SORRY, just realized I'm thinking of a different guy than the subject of this thread. Similar name but not the same > > He threw one of our local center's citizen sidhas, a lady, off a > course and onto the streets of downtown DC, outside the CNL which at > that time was a bad location, at 10:30 pm after someone there got word > she had visited a jyotishi while in India on the vedic science course > (this was when jyotishis were apparently considered off the program > though there was no official policy on it). Probably just following > instructions from on high, but I never would have done that even in my > deepest TB days. > > > > On May 7, 2006, at 7:51 AM, Peter wrote: > > > > > Well. I like Curtis quite a bit. I knew him at MIU > > > when I was there from '74 to '78. He was energetic, > > > talkative, and enthusiastic. An all around good, > > > sattvic guy. Right after I joinned FFL several years > > > ago he contacted my just to give a friendly hello. > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Peter, > Yes, he had those qualities in DC too, for the most part. But > somewhere along the way he also picked up the role of TM enforcer, not > a good fit for someone who still had a working brain. > > Sal He threw one of our local center's citizen sidhas, a lady, off a course and onto the streets of downtown DC, outside the CNL which at that time was a bad location, at 10:30 pm after someone there got word she had visited a jyotishi while in India on the vedic science course (this was when jyotishis were apparently considered off the program though there was no official policy on it). Probably just following instructions from on high, but I never would have done that even in my deepest TB days. > On May 7, 2006, at 7:51 AM, Peter wrote: > > > Well. I like Curtis quite a bit. I knew him at MIU > > when I was there from '74 to '78. He was energetic, > > talkative, and enthusiastic. An all around good, > > sattvic guy. Right after I joinned FFL several years > > ago he contacted my just to give a friendly hello. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks. I'll go take a look. FYI, you'll probably run across a number of posts that refer to "Andrew." That's Andrew Skolnick, who wrote the muck-raking, exceptionally misleading article about TM and Maharishi Ayur-Veda for the Journal of the American Medical Association back in 1989 (I think it was). He was a regular participant on alt.m.t for some years. > On May 7, 2006, at 9:41 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > Here's the thread where he made his introductory post: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/h4uh6 > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > Unfortunately the *order* of posts in the thread is > > > screwed up; the first one of his you'll see is a > > > response. Scroll down a bit further to find his > > > introductory post and the posts he's responding to. > > > > Sorry, it's me who's screwed up. The first post after > > the one on inaugural ceremonies is from John (now > > Alex) Stanley, responding to Curtis's intro post, > > which follows immediately. But the remainder of the > > posts are not always in chronological order. > > Wow... I cringe when I look back on my Usenet history. I was a raw > nerve, lashing out at the world. You made a good point in that post, though. You may have *felt* like a raw nerve, but your posts usually didn't reflect anything of the sort, at least as I recall. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > Unfortunately the *order* of posts in the thread is > > screwed up; the first one of his you'll see is a > > response. Scroll down a bit further to find his > > introductory post and the posts he's responding to. > > Sorry, it's me who's screwed up. The first post after > the one on inaugural ceremonies is from John (now > Alex) Stanley, responding to Curtis's intro post, > which follows immediately. But the remainder of the > posts are not always in chronological order. Wow... I cringe when I look back on my Usenet history. I was a raw nerve, lashing out at the world. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
Thanks. I'll go take a look. Sal On May 7, 2006, at 9:41 AM, authfriend wrote: Here's the thread where he made his introductory post: http://tinyurl.com/h4uh6
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unfortunately the *order* of posts in the thread is > screwed up; the first one of his you'll see is a > response. Scroll down a bit further to find his > introductory post and the posts he's responding to. Sorry, it's me who's screwed up. The first post after the one on inaugural ceremonies is from John (now Alex) Stanley, responding to Curtis's intro post, which follows immediately. But the remainder of the posts are not always in chronological order. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > When was he there? Would the conversations still be in the > archives? Curious minds and all that. >From the beginning of February 1997 through the end of November 1997. The Google archives are pretty complete, so most everything should be there. Here's the thread where he made his introductory post: http://tinyurl.com/h4uh6 Scroll past the first post on inaugural ceremonies. Unfortunately the *order* of posts in the thread is screwed up; the first one of his you'll see is a response. Scroll down a bit further to find his introductory post and the posts he's responding to. This is just the first of many threads in which he participated. I was amused to revisit it and see how moderately and reasonably he presented himself at first. As time went on, though, the picture became rather different. Curtis had a tendency throughout to make broad, sweeping statements that he had trouble supporting when he was asked for specifics. He seems to have settled on an overall "story" in his mind that justified his anti-TM stance, but the story itself didn't relate all that closely to the mundane reality. Not that he didn't have some legitimate beefs, of course; it's just that they didn't hang together quite as well as he assumed they did. When the various holes were pointed out to him, he had to do some fast juggling to try to bridge the gaps, and he didn't exactly always maintain the highest standards of intellectual integrity in doing so (IMHO). Many of the posts in those threads are *very* long; it'll take some patience to get through enough of them to form a clear idea of what went on. > On May 7, 2006, at 8:30 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > Huh, that was my reaction too. I thought I might be > > biased because he was such a horrendous pain on > > alt.m.t, but maybe not. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
When was he there? Would the conversations still be in the archives? Curious minds and all that. Sal On May 7, 2006, at 8:30 AM, authfriend wrote: Huh, that was my reaction too. I thought I might be biased because he was such a horrendous pain on alt.m.t, but maybe not.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > wrote: > > > > > > On May 6, 2006, at 10:03 PM, bob_brigante wrote: > > > > > Didn't Curtis used to have blond hair? > > > > Not that I knew of. During his stint as TMO enforcer, I mean, > > Center Chairman, it was light to medium brown. > > Unfortunately, his blues feel a bit soulless! Huh, that was my reaction too. I thought I might be biased because he was such a horrendous pain on alt.m.t, but maybe not. His harmonica is awfully good, though. And it could be he's more soulful in person... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 5/7/06 7:51 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Well. I like Curtis quite a bit. I knew him at MIU > > when I was there from '74 to '78. He was energetic, > > talkative, and enthusiastic. An all around good, > > sattvic guy. Right after I joinned FFL several years > > ago he contacted my just to give a friendly hello. > > Maybe we should invite him into FFL. Whadya say Judy? Ah, jeez... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
on 5/7/06 7:51 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Well. I like Curtis quite a bit. I knew him at MIU > when I was there from '74 to '78. He was energetic, > talkative, and enthusiastic. An all around good, > sattvic guy. Right after I joinned FFL several years > ago he contacted my just to give a friendly hello. Maybe we should invite him into FFL. Whadya say Judy? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
Peter, Yes, he had those qualities in DC too, for the most part. But somewhere along the way he also picked up the role of TM enforcer, not a good fit for someone who still had a working brain. Sal On May 7, 2006, at 7:51 AM, Peter wrote: Well. I like Curtis quite a bit. I knew him at MIU when I was there from '74 to '78. He was energetic, talkative, and enthusiastic. An all around good, sattvic guy. Right after I joinned FFL several years ago he contacted my just to give a friendly hello.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
Yep, a study in contrasts for sure. Almost like two different people. Sal On May 6, 2006, at 9:24 PM, authfriend wrote: I suspect he's a person of extremes: from pro-TM fanatic to anti-TM fanatic, from buttoned-up bowtied executive type to grubby street musician...and I'd imagine he plays the latter role just as well and enthusiastically as he did the former.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
Yes, a street musician in Alexandria, VA. Sal On May 6, 2006, at 11:36 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Are we saying Curtis Mallioux (sp?) is now a musician? I missed something. Does he have a web site?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
On May 6, 2006, at 11:08 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: > What makes someone "right wing"? Usually espousing right-wing viewpoints, and Tucker, from the several times I've watched him, seems to have or had many. > Tucker Carlson is famously down on > record as opposing the U.S. invasion of Iraq. He underwent some kind of transformation after he got accused of sexual shenanigans by someone. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
No kidding--that's stealing. Was it made out to you? If so, depending on the amount (I think, or maybe that doesn't matter) that could be a major crime. My crack came a few years later, when it became obvious that some of the 'elites' were treated much differently than everyone else, and usually acted accordingly, ie. like major jerks. Sal On May 6, 2006, at 10:20 PM, jyouells2000 wrote: Sal, in 1977 when all the formerly active teachers were heading for the hills, I took over a center and the outgoing teacher 'borrowed' my paycheck from the mail, and managed to cash it and headed for the hills. I was using it for center rent. That was the major crack in my warm and fuzzy illusions. :)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On May 6, 2006, at 10:03 PM, bob_brigante wrote: > > > Didn't Curtis used to have blond hair? > > Not that I knew of. During his stint as TMO enforcer, I mean, Center > Chairman, it was light to medium brown. > Unfortunately, his blues feel a bit soulless! > > That would certainly be a > > sign of high stress if his follicles changed color... > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
Well. I like Curtis quite a bit. I knew him at MIU when I was there from '74 to '78. He was energetic, talkative, and enthusiastic. An all around good, sattvic guy. Right after I joinned FFL several years ago he contacted my just to give a friendly hello. --- Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Probably a result of stress. To some degree, he and > Laura were a > perfect match, and I was surprised they didn't last > longer. Both were > nice-looking, made of steel, extremely > materialistic, and absolutely > obsessed with the TMO. > > Sal > > > On May 6, 2006, at 8:13 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > > > My wife was a guest in his and his (now divorced) > wife Laura�s house > > for a while after leaving Mother Divine. Curtis > used to sleepwalk all > > over the house, sweeping things off tables and > counters and cupboard > > shelves, and generally making a racket. This was > when he was still in > > the movement. > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
On May 6, 2006, at 10:03 PM, bob_brigante wrote: > Didn't Curtis used to have blond hair? Not that I knew of. During his stint as TMO enforcer, I mean, Center Chairman, it was light to medium brown. > That would certainly be a > sign of high stress if his follicles changed color... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > wrote: > > > > And he looked the part as well. He's probably changed somewhat > > over the years (haven't we all?) but back then he could have been > > a stand-ion for Tucker Carlson, the right-wing talk show host. > > Even down to the bowties. > > What makes someone "right wing"? Tucker Carlson is famously down > on record as opposing the U.S. invasion of Iraq. Carlson isn't the worst of the right-wingers; he does occasionally have an independent thought. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
> Are we saying Curtis Mallioux (sp?) is now a > musician? I missed something. > Does he have a web site? His website is in the links section of the cdbaby website. http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues http://www.curtisblues.com/ --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 5/6/06 10:12 PM, jyouells2000 at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> > >> Apart from shock therapy, I'm not really sure > what might have helped at > >> that point. I left DC to move here in 91 and, > although my memories of > >> that time are, of course, growing more vague by > the minute, I had > >> thought he was still Center Chairman. > >> If he became CC in 85, and already by 90 he was > TM-Ex, his reign of > >> terror lasted fewer years than I thought. Sort > of comforting, in a > >> silly kind of way...I outlasted him! For some > reason I had him > >> freaking out around the mid-90s or so. > >> That's probably just when I became aware of his > new vocation, so to > >> speak. > >> > >> Sal > >> > > Curtis was here after his phase I of TTC (and > before as well). He was > > really intent on teaching then the movement took > away all his phase > > III work study credit (on an academy in FL, if I > remember correctly) > > but he made it all a second time and went to phase > III. Initiations > > had already nose dived before he went to phase > III. I was surprised he > > went so far in the other direction. > > > > His music sounds real good... I wonder what his > take on is now? > > > Are we saying Curtis Mallioux (sp?) is now a > musician? I missed something. > Does he have a web site? > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > You can search right from your browser? It¿s easy > and it¿s free. See how. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
on 5/6/06 10:12 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> Apart from shock therapy, I'm not really sure what might have helped at >> that point. I left DC to move here in 91 and, although my memories of >> that time are, of course, growing more vague by the minute, I had >> thought he was still Center Chairman. >> If he became CC in 85, and already by 90 he was TM-Ex, his reign of >> terror lasted fewer years than I thought. Sort of comforting, in a >> silly kind of way...I outlasted him! For some reason I had him >> freaking out around the mid-90s or so. >> That's probably just when I became aware of his new vocation, so to >> speak. >> >> Sal >> > Curtis was here after his phase I of TTC (and before as well). He was > really intent on teaching then the movement took away all his phase > III work study credit (on an academy in FL, if I remember correctly) > but he made it all a second time and went to phase III. Initiations > had already nose dived before he went to phase III. I was surprised he > went so far in the other direction. > > His music sounds real good... I wonder what his take on is now? > Are we saying Curtis Mallioux (sp?) is now a musician? I missed something. Does he have a web site? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And he looked the part as well. He's probably changed somewhat over > the years (haven't we all?) but back then he could have been a > stand-ion for Tucker Carlson, the right-wing talk show host. Even down > to the bowties. What makes someone "right wing"? Tucker Carlson is famously down on record as opposing the U.S. invasion of Iraq. > > Sal > > > On May 6, 2006, at 6:21 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > Fascinating to hear about Curtis and Pat. I never > > knew them as TMers, only afterwards, when they hung > > out on alt.m.t posting long, extremely hostile, and > > generally quite dishonest anti-TM screeds. > > > > Haven't seen hide nor hair of that old anti-TM crowd > > on alt.m.t for some years now. Man, they were vicious. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Don't know Pat, but I agree...give credit where it's due. I never
> hesitate to mention MIU when somebody asks me where I went to
school.
> It was still a great place to go back then (early 90s) and hadn't
yet
> gotten too weird.
>
> Amazing he didn't get caught at some of those activities, (and
that he
> was able to hide them well enough to go to TTC while others were
kept
> off for far lesser reasons) considering the level of spying going
on at
> that point, or so I thought.
I'm not 100% sure, but I think Pat was denied acceptance to TTC the
first time he applied.
>
> Sal
>
>
> On May 6, 2006, at 6:02 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
>
> > I only knew him from passing but he was at MIU for the several
years
> > when I was there ('75-'79). Seemed pleasant enough. I
remember him
> > as being very talkative...that's about it.
> >
> > But what you say above reminds me a bit of Pat Ryan who was
also at
> > MIU at the same time. Ryan also left the Movement and became an
> > infamous TM-EX. I don't want to knock the guy too much but
when I
> > knew Pat it was when as a 17 or 18 year old he had just arrived
at
> > MIU and was skeptical and cynical about the teaching and went
out of
> > his way to find out "secrets" and go to meetings that anti-TM
> > fundamentalists were holding in town and then corresponding with
> > them for years afterwards. I mention this because years later
when
> > he then became a TM teacher and then years later left the TMO he
> > made it seem that all the revelations about TM that he had come
to
> > realize were new to him. The reality was that he was told all
of
> > this stuff by the fundies about 15 years prior. So he knew
exactly
> > what he was getting into and he can't feign innocence about
having
> > the wool pulled over his eyes by the evil cult.
> >
> > Another thing about Pat (and I should say I thought he was a
sweet
> > kid...kinda like a puppy dog who would follow you everywhere):
when
> > Pat came to MIU he was illiterate. That is, he wrote and read
at,
> > literally, a Grade 2 or 3 level. To his credit, that first
year he
> > worked his ass off improving himself and bringing himself up to
a
> > level where he was pretty much at par with everyone else. But I
> > mention this because: 1) MIU accepted him despite this handicap
> > (okay, they were probably desparate for students and this was
> > probably their motivation); and 2) teachers, TAs and others at
MIU
> > helped Pat overcome his illiteracy. It would be nice that
while he
> > trashed the TMO and all things TM, he could acknowledge their
part
> > in helping him overcome his illiteracy.
>
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Curtis Mailloux...one of the truly great TM Nazis the TMO ever
> > > produced. After he left the fold, he became as vehemently
> against
> > as
> > > he had been pro before. In his time, though , he was
awesome.
> He
> > > would regularly "report" people for the most minor TM
infractions
> > (such
> > > as wearing jeans to the Center--horrors!) as well as work
on
> > > occasion to keep people off courses, TTC, etc. You name it,
he
> > > reported it. Must have satisfied some primal urge for power,
or
> > > something. His defection really came as not much of a
> > surprise...that
> > > level of stress most people just can't keep up for very long.
> > I've
> > > wondered over the years what became of him too.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I only knew him from passing but he was at MIU for the several
> years
> > when I was there ('75-'79). Seemed pleasant enough. I remember
> him
> > as being very talkative...that's about it.
> >
> > But what you say above reminds me a bit of Pat Ryan who was also
at
> > MIU at the same time. Ryan also left the Movement and became an
> > infamous TM-EX. I don't want to knock the guy too much but when
I
> > knew Pat it was when as a 17 or 18 year old he had just arrived
at
> > MIU and was skeptical and cynical about the teaching and went
out
> of
> > his way to find out "secrets" and go to meetings that anti-TM
> > fundamentalists were holding in town and then corresponding with
> > them for years afterwards. I mention this because years later
when
> > he then became a TM teacher and then years later left the TMO he
> > made it seem that all the revelations about TM that he had come
to
> > realize were new to him. The reality was that he was told all
of
> > this stuff by the fundies about 15 years prior. So he knew
exactly
> > what he was getting into and he can't feign innocence about
having
> > the wool pulled over his eyes by the evil cult.
> >
> > Another thing about Pat (and I should say I thought he was a
sweet
> > kid...kinda like a puppy dog who would follow you everywhere):
> when
> > Pat came to MIU he was illiterate. That is, he wrote and read
at,
> > literally, a Grade 2 or 3 level. To his credit, that first year
he
> > worked his ass off improving himself and bringing himself up to
a
> > level where he was pretty much at par with everyone else. But I
> > mention this because: 1) MIU accepted him despite this handicap
> > (okay, they were probably desparate for students and this was
> > probably their motivation); and 2) teachers, TAs and others at
MIU
> > helped Pat overcome his illiteracy. It would be nice that while
he
> > trashed the TMO and all things TM, he could acknowledge their
part
> > in helping him overcome his illiteracy.
>
> Fascinating to hear about Curtis and Pat. I never
> knew them as TMers, only afterwards, when they hung
> out on alt.m.t posting long, extremely hostile, and
> generally quite dishonest anti-TM screeds.
>
> Haven't seen hide nor hair of that old anti-TM crowd
> on alt.m.t for some years now. Man, they were vicious.
>
> I sure wish I'd known what you just said about Pat
> having heard the negative stuff from the fundamentalists
> *before* he became a TM teacher.
>
So Pat was also a participant on amt? Interesting.
Yes, Pat knew all he had to know about TM from A to Z. There were
virtually NO surprises at all for him from '75 onward.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Don't know Pat, but I agree...give credit where it's due. I never > hesitate to mention MIU when somebody asks me where I went to school. > It was still a great place to go back then (early 90s) and hadn't yet > gotten too weird. > > Amazing he didn't get caught at some of those activities, (and that he > was able to hide them well enough to go to TTC while others were kept > off for far lesser reasons) considering the level of spying going on at > that point, or so I thought. > > Sal > Sal, in 1977 when all the formerly active teachers were heading for the hills, I took over a center and the outgoing teacher 'borrowed' my paycheck from the mail, and managed to cash it and headed for the hills. I was using it for center rent. That was the major crack in my warm and fuzzy illusions. :) JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Apart from shock therapy, I'm not really sure what might have helped at > that point. I left DC to move here in 91 and, although my memories of > that time are, of course, growing more vague by the minute, I had > thought he was still Center Chairman. > If he became CC in 85, and already by 90 he was TM-Ex, his reign of > terror lasted fewer years than I thought. Sort of comforting, in a > silly kind of way...I outlasted him! For some reason I had him > freaking out around the mid-90s or so. > That's probably just when I became aware of his new vocation, so to > speak. > > Sal > Curtis was here after his phase I of TTC (and before as well). He was really intent on teaching then the movement took away all his phase III work study credit (on an academy in FL, if I remember correctly) but he made it all a second time and went to phase III. Initiations had already nose dived before he went to phase III. I was surprised he went so far in the other direction. His music sounds real good... I wonder what his take on is now? JohnY > On May 6, 2006, at 5:46 PM, jyouells2000 wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > > wrote: > > > > > > Curtis Mailloux...one of the truly great TM Nazis the TMO ever > > > produced. After he left the fold, he became as vehemently against > > as > > > he had been pro before. In his time, though , he was awesome. He > > > would regularly "report" people for the most minor TM infractions > > (such > > > as wearing jeans to the Center--horrors!) as well as work on > > > occasion to keep people off courses, TTC, etc. You name it, he > > > reported it. Must have satisfied some primal urge for power, or > > > something. His defection really came as not much of a > > surprise...that > > > level of stress most people just can't keep up for very long. I've > > > wondered over the years what became of him too. > > > > > > Sal > > > > Saw it comming before DC - tried to help > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Probably a result of stress. To some degree, he and Laura were a > perfect match, and I was surprised they didn't last longer. Both were > nice-looking, made of steel, extremely materialistic, and absolutely > obsessed with the TMO. > > Sal > Didn't Curtis used to have blond hair? That would certainly be a sign of high stress if his follicles changed color... > > On May 6, 2006, at 8:13 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > > > My wife was a guest in his and his (now divorced) wife Laura's house > > for a while after leaving Mother Divine. Curtis used to sleepwalk all > > over the house, sweeping things off tables and counters and cupboard > > shelves, and generally making a racket. This was when he was still in > > the movement. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On May 6, 2006, at 7:37 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > Oh, no sh*t, bowties! > > Yep. He played the part well. > > > > Did you see the photo on his Web site? He's now a > > down-and-dirty blues guy, plays on the street for > > money in the D.C. area, sort of a one-man-band kind > > of thing. (Does NOT wear a bowtie!) > > Looks like he's put on some weight, and of course gotten a bit > older, but I can still see echoes of the old Curtis there. But > really, in my wildest dreams I never would have imagined him > playing on the street. I would have thought, post-TM, that he > might have gone to work for some company or something. Or done > something else very "upscale." Just goes to show. I suspect he's a person of extremes: from pro-TM fanatic to anti-TM fanatic, from buttoned-up bowtied executive type to grubby street musician...and I'd imagine he plays the latter role just as well and enthusiastically as he did the former. Goodness only knows what he'll do if he gets tired of playing a bluesman. Will he ever feel free of the need to play a role, and play himself for a change? > > > > He's quite good, though, at least from the clips > > from his CD. Terrific harmonica player. Has quite > > a following, apparently. > > Apparently so. Good for him. I've only had the chance to listen to a > couple of the tracks, but they are impressive. > > > I thought his singing lacked, um, well, something, > > passion, maybe. Seemed like he was holding > > back. But not when he played the harp, though. > > Haven't heard that one. > > Sal > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
On May 6, 2006, at 7:37 PM, authfriend wrote: > Oh, no sh*t, bowties! Yep. He played the part well. > > Did you see the photo on his Web site? He's now a > down-and-dirty blues guy, plays on the street for > money in the D.C. area, sort of a one-man-band kind > of thing. (Does NOT wear a bowtie!) Looks like he's put on some weight, and of course gotten a bit older, but I can still see echoes of the old Curtis there. But really, in my wildest dreams I never would have imagined him playing on the street. I would have thought, post-TM, that he might have gone to work for some company or something. Or done something else very "upscale." Just goes to show. > > He's quite good, though, at least from the clips > from his CD. Terrific harmonica player. Has quite > a following, apparently. Apparently so. Good for him. I've only had the chance to listen to a couple of the tracks, but they are impressive. > I thought his singing lacked, um, well, something, > passion, maybe. Seemed like he was holding > back. But not when he played the harp, though. Haven't heard that one. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
Probably a result of stress. To some degree, he and Laura were a perfect match, and I was surprised they didn't last longer. Both were nice-looking, made of steel, extremely materialistic, and absolutely obsessed with the TMO. Sal On May 6, 2006, at 8:13 PM, Rick Archer wrote: My wife was a guest in his and his (now divorced) wife Laura’s house for a while after leaving Mother Divine. Curtis used to sleepwalk all over the house, sweeping things off tables and counters and cupboard shelves, and generally making a racket. This was when he was still in the movement.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt? on 5/6/06 5:16 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis Mailloux...one of the truly great TM Nazis the TMO ever produced. After he left the fold, he became as vehemently against as he had been pro before. In his time, though , he was awesome. He would regularly "report" people for the most minor TM infractions (such as wearing jeans to the Center--horrors!) as well as work on occasion to keep people off courses, TTC, etc. You name it, he reported it. Must have satisfied some primal urge for power, or something. His defection really came as not much of a surprise...that level of stress most people just can't keep up for very long. I've wondered over the years what became of him too. My wife was a guest in his and his (now divorced) wife Laura’s house for a while after leaving Mother Divine. Curtis used to sleepwalk all over the house, sweeping things off tables and counters and cupboard shelves, and generally making a racket. This was when he was still in the movement. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And he looked the part as well. He's probably changed somewhat > over the years (haven't we all?) but back then he could have been a > stand-ion for Tucker Carlson, the right-wing talk show host. Even > down to the bowties. Oh, no sh*t, bowties! Did you see the photo on his Web site? He's now a down-and-dirty blues guy, plays on the street for money in the D.C. area, sort of a one-man-band kind of thing. (Does NOT wear a bowtie!) He's quite good, though, at least from the clips from his CD. Terrific harmonica player. Has quite a following, apparently. I thought his singing lacked, um, well, something, passion, maybe. Seemed like he was holding back. But not when he played the harp, though. > On May 6, 2006, at 6:21 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > Fascinating to hear about Curtis and Pat. I never > > knew them as TMers, only afterwards, when they hung > > out on alt.m.t posting long, extremely hostile, and > > generally quite dishonest anti-TM screeds. > > > > Haven't seen hide nor hair of that old anti-TM crowd > > on alt.m.t for some years now. Man, they were vicious. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
And he looked the part as well. He's probably changed somewhat over the years (haven't we all?) but back then he could have been a stand-ion for Tucker Carlson, the right-wing talk show host. Even down to the bowties. Sal On May 6, 2006, at 6:21 PM, authfriend wrote: Fascinating to hear about Curtis and Pat. I never knew them as TMers, only afterwards, when they hung out on alt.m.t posting long, extremely hostile, and generally quite dishonest anti-TM screeds. Haven't seen hide nor hair of that old anti-TM crowd on alt.m.t for some years now. Man, they were vicious.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
Don't know Pat, but I agree...give credit where it's due. I never hesitate to mention MIU when somebody asks me where I went to school. It was still a great place to go back then (early 90s) and hadn't yet gotten too weird.
Amazing he didn't get caught at some of those activities, (and that he was able to hide them well enough to go to TTC while others were kept off for far lesser reasons) considering the level of spying going on at that point, or so I thought.
Sal
On May 6, 2006, at 6:02 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
I only knew him from passing but he was at MIU for the several years
when I was there ('75-'79). Seemed pleasant enough. I remember him
as being very talkative...that's about it.
But what you say above reminds me a bit of Pat Ryan who was also at
MIU at the same time. Ryan also left the Movement and became an
infamous TM-EX. I don't want to knock the guy too much but when I
knew Pat it was when as a 17 or 18 year old he had just arrived at
MIU and was skeptical and cynical about the teaching and went out of
his way to find out "secrets" and go to meetings that anti-TM
fundamentalists were holding in town and then corresponding with
them for years afterwards. I mention this because years later when
he then became a TM teacher and then years later left the TMO he
made it seem that all the revelations about TM that he had come to
realize were new to him. The reality was that he was told all of
this stuff by the fundies about 15 years prior. So he knew exactly
what he was getting into and he can't feign innocence about having
the wool pulled over his eyes by the evil cult.
Another thing about Pat (and I should say I thought he was a sweet
kid...kinda like a puppy dog who would follow you everywhere): when
Pat came to MIU he was illiterate. That is, he wrote and read at,
literally, a Grade 2 or 3 level. To his credit, that first year he
worked his ass off improving himself and bringing himself up to a
level where he was pretty much at par with everyone else. But I
mention this because: 1) MIU accepted him despite this handicap
(okay, they were probably desparate for students and this was
probably their motivation); and 2) teachers, TAs and others at MIU
helped Pat overcome his illiteracy. It would be nice that while he
trashed the TMO and all things TM, he could acknowledge their part
in helping him overcome his illiteracy.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
Apart from shock therapy, I'm not really sure what might have helped at that point. I left DC to move here in 91 and, although my memories of that time are, of course, growing more vague by the minute, I had thought he was still Center Chairman. If he became CC in 85, and already by 90 he was TM-Ex, his reign of terror lasted fewer years than I thought. Sort of comforting, in a silly kind of way...I outlasted him! For some reason I had him freaking out around the mid-90s or so. That's probably just when I became aware of his new vocation, so to speak. Sal On May 6, 2006, at 5:46 PM, jyouells2000 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Curtis Mailloux...one of the truly great TM Nazis the TMO ever > produced. After he left the fold, he became as vehemently against as > he had been pro before. In his time, though , he was awesome. He > would regularly "report" people for the most minor TM infractions (such > as wearing jeans to the Center--horrors!) as well as work on > occasion to keep people off courses, TTC, etc. You name it, he > reported it. Must have satisfied some primal urge for power, or > something. His defection really came as not much of a surprise...that > level of stress most people just can't keep up for very long. I've > wondered over the years what became of him too. > > Sal Saw it comming before DC - tried to help
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine
> wrote:
> >
> > Curtis Mailloux...one of the truly great TM Nazis the TMO ever
> > produced. After he left the fold, he became as vehemently
against
> as
> > he had been pro before. In his time, though , he was awesome.
He
> > would regularly "report" people for the most minor TM infractions
> (such
> > as wearing jeans to the Center--horrors!) as well as work on
> > occasion to keep people off courses, TTC, etc. You name it, he
> > reported it. Must have satisfied some primal urge for power, or
> > something. His defection really came as not much of a
> surprise...that
> > level of stress most people just can't keep up for very long.
> I've
> > wondered over the years what became of him too.
>
>
>
>
> I only knew him from passing but he was at MIU for the several
years
> when I was there ('75-'79). Seemed pleasant enough. I remember
him
> as being very talkative...that's about it.
>
> But what you say above reminds me a bit of Pat Ryan who was also at
> MIU at the same time. Ryan also left the Movement and became an
> infamous TM-EX. I don't want to knock the guy too much but when I
> knew Pat it was when as a 17 or 18 year old he had just arrived at
> MIU and was skeptical and cynical about the teaching and went out
of
> his way to find out "secrets" and go to meetings that anti-TM
> fundamentalists were holding in town and then corresponding with
> them for years afterwards. I mention this because years later when
> he then became a TM teacher and then years later left the TMO he
> made it seem that all the revelations about TM that he had come to
> realize were new to him. The reality was that he was told all of
> this stuff by the fundies about 15 years prior. So he knew exactly
> what he was getting into and he can't feign innocence about having
> the wool pulled over his eyes by the evil cult.
>
> Another thing about Pat (and I should say I thought he was a sweet
> kid...kinda like a puppy dog who would follow you everywhere):
when
> Pat came to MIU he was illiterate. That is, he wrote and read at,
> literally, a Grade 2 or 3 level. To his credit, that first year he
> worked his ass off improving himself and bringing himself up to a
> level where he was pretty much at par with everyone else. But I
> mention this because: 1) MIU accepted him despite this handicap
> (okay, they were probably desparate for students and this was
> probably their motivation); and 2) teachers, TAs and others at MIU
> helped Pat overcome his illiteracy. It would be nice that while he
> trashed the TMO and all things TM, he could acknowledge their part
> in helping him overcome his illiteracy.
Fascinating to hear about Curtis and Pat. I never
knew them as TMers, only afterwards, when they hung
out on alt.m.t posting long, extremely hostile, and
generally quite dishonest anti-TM screeds.
Haven't seen hide nor hair of that old anti-TM crowd
on alt.m.t for some years now. Man, they were vicious.
I sure wish I'd known what you just said about Pat
having heard the negative stuff from the fundamentalists
*before* he became a TM teacher.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Curtis Mailloux...one of the truly great TM Nazis the TMO ever
> produced. After he left the fold, he became as vehemently against
as
> he had been pro before. In his time, though , he was awesome. He
> would regularly "report" people for the most minor TM infractions
(such
> as wearing jeans to the Center--horrors!) as well as work on
> occasion to keep people off courses, TTC, etc. You name it, he
> reported it. Must have satisfied some primal urge for power, or
> something. His defection really came as not much of a
surprise...that
> level of stress most people just can't keep up for very long.
I've
> wondered over the years what became of him too.
I only knew him from passing but he was at MIU for the several years
when I was there ('75-'79). Seemed pleasant enough. I remember him
as being very talkative...that's about it.
But what you say above reminds me a bit of Pat Ryan who was also at
MIU at the same time. Ryan also left the Movement and became an
infamous TM-EX. I don't want to knock the guy too much but when I
knew Pat it was when as a 17 or 18 year old he had just arrived at
MIU and was skeptical and cynical about the teaching and went out of
his way to find out "secrets" and go to meetings that anti-TM
fundamentalists were holding in town and then corresponding with
them for years afterwards. I mention this because years later when
he then became a TM teacher and then years later left the TMO he
made it seem that all the revelations about TM that he had come to
realize were new to him. The reality was that he was told all of
this stuff by the fundies about 15 years prior. So he knew exactly
what he was getting into and he can't feign innocence about having
the wool pulled over his eyes by the evil cult.
Another thing about Pat (and I should say I thought he was a sweet
kid...kinda like a puppy dog who would follow you everywhere): when
Pat came to MIU he was illiterate. That is, he wrote and read at,
literally, a Grade 2 or 3 level. To his credit, that first year he
worked his ass off improving himself and bringing himself up to a
level where he was pretty much at par with everyone else. But I
mention this because: 1) MIU accepted him despite this handicap
(okay, they were probably desparate for students and this was
probably their motivation); and 2) teachers, TAs and others at MIU
helped Pat overcome his illiteracy. It would be nice that while he
trashed the TMO and all things TM, he could acknowledge their part
in helping him overcome his illiteracy.
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> Sal
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> On May 6, 2006, at 1:15 PM, jyouells2000 wrote:
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> > Curtis is from my area. Went on to DC, then TMex. Energetic.
> > Have not seen him in a long time. Hope he is well.
>
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Curtis Mailloux...one of the truly great TM Nazis the TMO ever > produced. After he left the fold, he became as vehemently against as > he had been pro before. In his time, though , he was awesome. He > would regularly "report" people for the most minor TM infractions (such > as wearing jeans to the Center--horrors!) as well as work on > occasion to keep people off courses, TTC, etc. You name it, he > reported it. Must have satisfied some primal urge for power, or > something. His defection really came as not much of a surprise...that > level of stress most people just can't keep up for very long. I've > wondered over the years what became of him too. > > Sal Saw it comming before DC - tried to help JohnY > > > On May 6, 2006, at 1:15 PM, jyouells2000 wrote: > > > Curtis is from my area. Went on to DC, then TMex. Energetic. > > Have not seen him in a long time. Hope he is well. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
Curtis Mailloux...one of the truly great TM Nazis the TMO ever produced. After he left the fold, he became as vehemently against as he had been pro before. In his time, though , he was awesome. He would regularly "report" people for the most minor TM infractions (such as wearing jeans to the Center--horrors!) as well as work on occasion to keep people off courses, TTC, etc. You name it, he reported it. Must have satisfied some primal urge for power, or something. His defection really came as not much of a surprise...that level of stress most people just can't keep up for very long. I've wondered over the years what became of him too. Sal On May 6, 2006, at 1:15 PM, jyouells2000 wrote: Curtis is from my area. Went on to DC, then TMex. Energetic. Have not seen him in a long time. Hope he is well.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues Yeah, it is. Pretty mean harmonica! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues > Curtis is from my area. Went on to DC, then TMex. Energetic. Have not seen him in a long time. Hope he is well. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
