[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's hear it for Jerry+Any particular question lingering for the last 30 ye
> > Amazon used to provide all of "What > > falls away" as searchable and I have, > > in the past, linked to it... > > Sal: > When in doubt, go to Google Books. > So, that's the way you 'read' books these days, Sal? You just *had* to open your pie hole didn't you? Why? Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to, I guess.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's hear it for Jerry+Any particular question lingering for the last 30 ye
> > Maharishi threw the Beatles out... > > Shemp: > While it may be true about the drugs and all that, > I'm sure you realize that Mia Farrow is convinced > that she had "the moves" put on her by Maharishi... > Maybe so, but take a look at these accounts: 'A Twist of Lennon' by Cynthia Lennon Avon Books, 1980 'The Lives of John Lennon' by Albert Goldman Chicago Review Press, 2001
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's hear it for Jerry+Any particular question lingering for the last 30 ye
mainstream: > Please identify the page numbers of "Thirty > Years around the World" that support the idea > that the TMO acknowledged Jerry Jarvis... > Well, I thought maybe there were some pictures of Jerry and Debbie in 'Thirty Years around the World, since it was published back in 1986, but is that an official TMO book? Almost every book I've read about the history of the TMO mentioned Jerry Jarvis and Charles Lutes. 'Beyond Gurus' by Nancy Cooke de Herrera Blue Dolphin, 1992 'Galaxy of Fire' by Jay Latham Sunstar, 2000 p. 550-553. 'Maharishi: The Biography' Paul Mason Element 1997 Barnes and Noble 'Thirty Years' Maharishi Mahesh Yogi MVU Press, 1986 'Darshan: Three Times India' by Frank Papentin Hannemaan Verlaag, 1986 'A Spiritual Autobiography' By Rory Goff http://www.artesmagicae.com/auto0b.htm 'We Will Always Live in Beverly Hills' by Ned Wynn Penguin, 1992 'Maharishi' by Helena Olsen and Theresa Olsen, Ph.D. 1st World Library, 2004 'Sage of a New Generation' A film by Allan Waite 1964
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Let's hear it for Jerry+Any particular question lingering for the last 30 ye
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Joe wrote: > I really wonder what Jerry has to say about the whole raja/royalty thing. > You would be unlikely to get a real response in front of a group but one to > one, over a glass of vino, what would he say? > > Does anyone know? > > I think the movie *Being There* was about Jerry. Y'all thought he was so enlightened and so profound and so humorous, despite the fact that his humor was as old as the hills. If only Jerry could speak and y'all find out he's really got nothing to say. -- I've got nothing against God. It's his fan club I can't stand.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Let's hear it for Jerry+Any particular question lingering for the last 30 ye
On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 5:26 PM, mainstream20016 wrote: > > > > "This was a great time for TM. Maharishi had a fantastic > > organization in the States. Jerry Jarvis was our national > > leader and, in my opinion, the most popular leader in the > > history of the TM movement other than Maharishi. Under > > Jerry were four regional coordinators. Charlie Donahue was > > in charge of the Eastern USA. Bobby Lee ran the South. > Until he stopped being a TM adict and became a drug adict. He died of AIDS from dirty needles. T'was a loss for the women (assuming he liked women). He was quite a heart throb. -- I've got nothing against God. It's his fan club I can't stand.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's hear it for Jerry+Any particular question lingering for the last 30 ye
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > On Feb 28, 2010, at 11:34 AM, ShempMcGurk wrote: > Amazon used to provide all of "What falls away" as searchable > and have, in the past, linked to it. But now they only give > samples, so I can't. But it is clear Farrow thought she was > having the moves put on her. More importantly, with a sister > who is gung-ho on the movement it is unlikely Farrow would > say it if she didn't fee that way. Now, it may be that > Maharishi was perfectly innocent about his intentions but > Farrow certainly didn't feel that way at the time. > > When in doubt, go to Google Books. Or, just Google. Here's the quote: "Now we will meditate in my 'cave,'" said Maharishi, and I followed him down steep wooden steps into a dark, humid little cellar room that smelled of sandalwood. It was my first time in his cave: there was a small shrine with flowers and a picture of Guru Dev, Maharishi's dead teacher, and a carpet on which we settled ourselves in the lotus position to meditate. After twenty or so minutes we were getting to our feet, still facing each other, but as I'm usually a little disoriented after meditation, I was blinking at his beard when suddenly I became aware of two surprisingly male, hairy arms going around me. I panicked, and shot up the stairs, apologizing all the way. I flew out into the open air, and ran as fast as I could to Prudy's room, where she was meditating of course. I blurted out something about Maharishi's cave, and arms, and beard, and she said, It's an honor to be touched by a holy man after meditation, a tradition. Furthermore, at my level of consciousness, if Jesus Christ Himself had embraced me, I would have misinterpreted it. Still , I flung the essentials into my faded cloth shoulder-bag, stuffed passport and money into a pouch hung around my neck, and without a plan, and nothing to lose, I dashed out of the gaurded gates headlong into the spreading Indian twilight.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's hear it for Jerry+Any particular question lingering for the last 30 ye
MMY was somewhat notorious for not paying attorneys, for always trying to find a way to wiggle out of any commitment made involving an attorney. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Joe > Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 1:18 PM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Let's hear it for Jerry+Any particular question > lingering for the last 30 ye > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Joe" wrote: > > > > > That maharishi could dump someone who had been so > > > incredibly important to the TMO, someone who had > > > followed his every command and who helped bring untold > > > thousands into the fold.that told me that I should > > > now view Maharishi's behavior as I would any other man. > > > > For those of us who weren't privy to the inner workings > > of the movement, what *was* the ostensible reason for > > dumping Jerry? I remember something vague about his not > > being in favor of the TM-Sidhis course, but I have no > > idea how reliable that was. > > > Getting ready to fly (using a plane) in a few but the short story is that > Jerry was made the fall guy for the loss of the TM in schools court case. > MMY totally hung him out to dry over this. > I heard that Jerry wanted to fight it and MMY wanted to drop it so MMY was > pissed when the movement fought it, lost, then had to pay lawyers a bundle > anyway. I heard MMY told Jerry to stiff the lawyers, and booted him when he > paid them anyway. But this is all rumor. I wasn't in a position to know. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's hear it for Jerry+Any particular question lingering for the last 30 ye
Willy, Whereas Jay Latham's "Galaxy of Fire" apparently profusely praises Jerry Jarvis, it is more than a tad deceptive to quote Latham's book immediately after extensively identifying down to the ISBN, "Thirty Years around the World". Please identify the page numbers of "Thirty Years around the World" that support the idea that the TMO acknowledged Jerry Jarvis. - Mainstream (Judy wrote:) > > > Maybe, but he was also *excluded*--persona non grata. (Willy wrote:) > Maybe you're thinking of Deepak Chopra? (Curtis wrote:) > > He was written out of the movement's first history books > > for Shiva's sake! As if SIMS had never existed. (Willy wrote:) > Maybe so, but not in this early Maharishi history: > > 'Thirty Years Around the World' > Dawn of the Age of Enlightenment - Volume 1 1957 - 1964 > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi > MVU Press, Netherlands, 1986 > No. 1008 ISBN 90 71750 01 9 > Hardback. Gold gilt edge. 600 p. > Illustrated. Appendix. Index. > > Read more: > > "This was a great time for TM. Maharishi had a fantastic > organization in the States. Jerry Jarvis was our national > leader and, in my opinion, the most popular leader in the > history of the TM movement other than Maharishi. Under > Jerry were four regional coordinators. Charlie Donahue was > in charge of the Eastern USA. Bobby Lee ran the South. > > Stan Crowe and Bill Witherspoon headed up the Midwest and > Western states. Under them were state coordinators and > regional lecturers such as John Shaw and Larry Kutt, two > personal friends of mine. We were one well-coordinated, > motivated, successful group, coast-to-coast. > > The result of this organization was that more than one > million people started TM in the United States by the end > of the seventies. Under the leadership of Maharishi, > Jerry Jarvis and the four regional coordinators, around > forty thousand people per month were starting TM, making > the American TM organization the most successful of all > the countries teaching TM in the world..." > > Work cited: > > "Galaxy of Fire" > by Jay Latham > Sunstar, 2000 > p. 219-220. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's hear it for Jerry+Any particular question lingering for the last 30 ye
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Joe > Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 1:18 PM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Let's hear it for Jerry+Any particular question > lingering for the last 30 ye > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Joe" wrote: > > > > > That maharishi could dump someone who had been so > > > incredibly important to the TMO, someone who had > > > followed his every command and who helped bring untold > > > thousands into the fold.that told me that I should > > > now view Maharishi's behavior as I would any other man. > > > > For those of us who weren't privy to the inner workings > > of the movement, what *was* the ostensible reason for > > dumping Jerry? I remember something vague about his not > > being in favor of the TM-Sidhis course, but I have no > > idea how reliable that was. > > > Getting ready to fly (using a plane) in a few but the short story is that > Jerry was made the fall guy for the loss of the TM in schools court case. > MMY totally hung him out to dry over this. > I heard that Jerry wanted to fight it and MMY wanted to drop it so MMY was > pissed when the movement fought it, lost, then had to pay lawyers a bundle > anyway. I heard MMY told Jerry to stiff the lawyers, and booted him when he > paid them anyway. But this is all rumor. I wasn't in a position to know. > Now that Jerry is "talking" again, perhaps he will open up as to the reason? Wow, can you imagine, it's nearly 35 years ago
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Let's hear it for Jerry+Any particular question lingering for the last 30 ye
On Feb 28, 2010, at 11:34 AM, ShempMcGurk wrote: >> Subject: Maharishi threw the Beatles out >> Author: Willytex >> Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental >> Date: March 17, 2006 >> http://tinyurl.com/ykvndqr >> > > > At that link, Willy, you write, in part: > > "Chopra's account sounds pretty credible to me - I never bought the > "Maharishi made a pass at Mia" theory. According to my sources, the > Beatles were all stoned on drugs at the Rishikesh TTC. The Maharishi > threw them out - as would be expected - so in revenge Mia and the Fab > Four made up a bunch of lies about the Maharishi. John Lennon, in my > opinion, was a liar and a hypocrite - stoner to the end, who brought > Yoko in through the bathroom window. I think that's all crap what's > being said on your Yahoo! Group - FairfieldLife. What a bunch of liars > and Maharishi-bashers over there. You're full of crap about the > Maharishi's private sex life, or lack thereof. You and John Manning > ought to take a hike together - you're full of it, that's fer sure." > > While it may be true about the drugs and all that, I'm sure you realize that > Mia Farrow is convinced that she had "the moves" put on her by Maharishi. In > her book "What falls away" she relates this episode at the end of the > Rishikesh chapter. > > Amazon used to provide all of "What falls away" as searchable and I have, in > the past, linked to it. But now they only give samples, so I can't. But it > is clear Farrow thought she was having the moves put on her. More > importantly, with a sister who is gung-ho on the movement it is unlikely > Farrow would say it if she didn't fee that way. Now, it may be that Maharishi > was perfectly innocent about his intentions but Farrow certainly didn't feel > that way at the time. When in doubt, go to Google Books. They also have cut way back on what they provide, but a search for Maharishi in What Falls Away produced the following: (all abbrevs mine) p. 137 "Nearly every afternoon MMY sent for me to come to his bungalow for a private talk. From the start he had been esp. solicitous and attentive to me, and I had responded with wary..." That was all I was able to get, despite putting in "wary" as well as other words to try and fool it into burping forth more. But it did give this little tidbit when I put in the term "bungalow": p. 139 (speaking about the cameraderie of Rishikesh) "Then a self-important, middle-aged American woman arrived, moving a mountain of luggage into the brand-new private bungalow next to MMY's along with her..." Could this self-important American woman be our Nancy? http://bit.ly/beGkX4 Sal
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Let's hear it for Jerry+Any particular question lingering for the last 30 ye
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 1:18 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Let's hear it for Jerry+Any particular question lingering for the last 30 ye --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Joe" wrote: > > > That maharishi could dump someone who had been so > > incredibly important to the TMO, someone who had > > followed his every command and who helped bring untold > > thousands into the fold.that told me that I should > > now view Maharishi's behavior as I would any other man. > > For those of us who weren't privy to the inner workings > of the movement, what *was* the ostensible reason for > dumping Jerry? I remember something vague about his not > being in favor of the TM-Sidhis course, but I have no > idea how reliable that was. > Getting ready to fly (using a plane) in a few but the short story is that Jerry was made the fall guy for the loss of the TM in schools court case. MMY totally hung him out to dry over this. I heard that Jerry wanted to fight it and MMY wanted to drop it so MMY was pissed when the movement fought it, lost, then had to pay lawyers a bundle anyway. I heard MMY told Jerry to stiff the lawyers, and booted him when he paid them anyway. But this is all rumor. I wasn't in a position to know.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's hear it for Jerry+Any particular question lingering for the last 30 ye
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" wrote: > > > That maharishi could dump someone who had been so > > incredibly important to the TMO, someone who had > > followed his every command and who helped bring untold > > thousands into the fold.that told me that I should > > now view Maharishi's behavior as I would any other man. > > For those of us who weren't privy to the inner workings > of the movement, what *was* the ostensible reason for > dumping Jerry? I remember something vague about his not > being in favor of the TM-Sidhis course, but I have no > idea how reliable that was. > Getting ready to fly (using a plane) in a few but the short story is that Jerry was made the fall guy for the loss of the TM in schools court case. MMY totally hung him out to dry over this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's hear it for Jerry+Any particular question lingering for the last 30 ye
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote: > > > > TurquoiseB: > > > According to Nancy Cooke de Herrera, Jerry Jarvis > > > did not get 'dumped' by the Maharishi or by the TMO. > > > > > According to Nancy Cooke de Herrera, the tigers > > that she and her son (The Beatles' "Bungalo Bill") > > shot after they left their TTC course in Rishikesh > > to hunt them from elephantback *wanted* to be killed > > by her so they could gain a higher rebirth. > > > According to what Nancy wrote in her book, the *tiger* > was shot when it attacked one of the guides. It was shot > by her son in self-defense. If true, that makes Nancy's > son a hero. You need to read the book BEFORE you make > your comments. > > In fact, Nancy went on the safari before the course was > over. And another fact is that John Lennon was all > screwed up in his head when he wrote "Bungalo Bill". It > was John that got kicked off the TTC course! We've been > over this before. > > 'Beyond Gurus' > By Nancy Cooke de Herrera > Blue Dolphin, 1992 > > Read more: > > Subject: Beyond Gurus > Author: Willytex > Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental > Date: October 1, 2001 > http://tinyurl.com/yjf2zmx > > "He said after some prodding: "The Beatles - along with > their entourage, which included Mia Farrow - were doing > drugs, taking LSD, at Maharishi's ashram, and he lost > his temper with them. He asked them to leave, and they > did in a huff. But when they went to the US, John Lennon > gave an interview on the Johnny Carson show, accusing > Maharishi of being a dirty old man..." > > Read more: > > Subject: Maharishi threw the Beatles out > Author: Willytex > Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental > Date: March 17, 2006 > http://tinyurl.com/ykvndqr > At that link, Willy, you write, in part: "Chopra's account sounds pretty credible to me - I never bought the "Maharishi made a pass at Mia" theory. According to my sources, the Beatles were all stoned on drugs at the Rishikesh TTC. The Maharishi threw them out - as would be expected - so in revenge Mia and the Fab Four made up a bunch of lies about the Maharishi. John Lennon, in my opinion, was a liar and a hypocrite - stoner to the end, who brought Yoko in through the bathroom window. I think that's all crap what's being said on your Yahoo! Group - FairfieldLife. What a bunch of liars and Maharishi-bashers over there. You're full of crap about the Maharishi's private sex life, or lack thereof. You and John Manning ought to take a hike together - you're full of it, that's fer sure." While it may be true about the drugs and all that, I'm sure you realize that Mia Farrow is convinced that she had "the moves" put on her by Maharishi. In her book "What falls away" she relates this episode at the end of the Rishikesh chapter. Amazon used to provide all of "What falls away" as searchable and I have, in the past, linked to it. But now they only give samples, so I can't. But it is clear Farrow thought she was having the moves put on her. More importantly, with a sister who is gung-ho on the movement it is unlikely Farrow would say it if she didn't fee that way. Now, it may be that Maharishi was perfectly innocent about his intentions but Farrow certainly didn't feel that way at the time.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's hear it for Jerry+Any particular question lingering for the last 30 ye
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: [snip] > > This is an officially "off the record" moment, > related to me over dinner by Nancy Cooke de > Herrrera herself, before the release of The > Beatles' "White Album." [snip] I strongly suspect, Zelig, that at this point in the history of FFL there is almost no one that believes that Cooke de Herrera personally told you any such thing. The "White Album" was released in November, 1968. Were you even meditating then? Was Cooke de Herrera even back in the States at this point?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's hear it for Jerry+Any particular question lingering for the last 30 ye
TurquoiseB: > > According to Nancy Cooke de Herrera, Jerry Jarvis > > did not get 'dumped' by the Maharishi or by the TMO. > > > According to Nancy Cooke de Herrera, the tigers > that she and her son (The Beatles' "Bungalo Bill") > shot after they left their TTC course in Rishikesh > to hunt them from elephantback *wanted* to be killed > by her so they could gain a higher rebirth. > According to what Nancy wrote in her book, the *tiger* was shot when it attacked one of the guides. It was shot by her son in self-defense. If true, that makes Nancy's son a hero. You need to read the book BEFORE you make your comments. In fact, Nancy went on the safari before the course was over. And another fact is that John Lennon was all screwed up in his head when he wrote "Bungalo Bill". It was John that got kicked off the TTC course! We've been over this before. 'Beyond Gurus' By Nancy Cooke de Herrera Blue Dolphin, 1992 Read more: Subject: Beyond Gurus Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: October 1, 2001 http://tinyurl.com/yjf2zmx "He said after some prodding: "The Beatles - along with their entourage, which included Mia Farrow - were doing drugs, taking LSD, at Maharishi's ashram, and he lost his temper with them. He asked them to leave, and they did in a huff. But when they went to the US, John Lennon gave an interview on the Johnny Carson show, accusing Maharishi of being a dirty old man..." Read more: Subject: Maharishi threw the Beatles out Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: March 17, 2006 http://tinyurl.com/ykvndqr
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's hear it for Jerry+Any particular question lingering for the last 30 ye
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > On Feb 28, 2010, at 9:26 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote: > > > > > > According to Nancy Cooke de Herrera, Jerry Jarvis did not > > > get 'dumped' by the Maharishi or by the TMO. > > > > According to Nancy Cooke de Herrera, the tigers > > that she and her son (The Beatles' "Bungalo Bill") > > shot after they left their TTC course in Rishikesh > > to hunt them from elephantback *wanted* to be killed > > by her so they could gain a higher rebirth. > > Gag. Is it just me, or does the TMO seem to be unusually > filled with nutcases, even for a cult? :) This is an officially "off the record" moment, related to me over dinner by Nancy Cooke de Herrrera herself, before the release of The Beatles' "White Album." So it wasn't even "in response" to "Bungalo Bill" that she volunteered this information. It was her choosing to tell this to me (a mere acquaintance of her son who had set up the first TM course in Eugene, Oregon, which she had chosen to teach because it allowed her to write off on her taxes a visit to her son). Interesting woman, one who I am sure has some redeeming qualities if one gets to know her long enough. I had only five days.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's hear it for Jerry+Any particular question lingering for the last 30 ye
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > On Feb 28, 2010, at 9:26 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote: > > > > > > According to Nancy Cooke de Herrera, Jerry Jarvis did not > > > get 'dumped' by the Maharishi or by the TMO. > > > > According to Nancy Cooke de Herrera, the tigers > > that she and her son (The Beatles' "Bungalo Bill") > > shot after they left their TTC course in Rishikesh > > to hunt them from elephantback *wanted* to be killed > > by her so they could gain a higher rebirth. > > Gag. Is it just me, or does the TMO seem to be unusually > filled with nutcases, even for a cult? :) This is an officially "off the record" moment, related to me over dinner by Nancy Cooke de Herrrera herself, before the release of The Beatles' "White Album." So it wasn't even "in response" to "Bungalo Bill" that she volunteered this information. It was her choosing to tell this to me (a mere acquaintance of her son who had set up the first TM course in Eugene, Oregon, which she had chosen to teach because it allowed her to write off on her taxes a visit to her son). Interesting woman, one who I am sure has some redeeming qualities if one gets to know her long enough. I had only five days.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's hear it for Jerry+Any particular question lingering for the last 30 ye
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" wrote: > > > > > That maharishi could dump someone who had been so > > > incredibly important to the TMO, someone who had > > > followed his every command and who helped bring untold > > > thousands into the fold.that told me that I should > > > now view Maharishi's behavior as I would any other man. > > > > For those of us who weren't privy to the inner workings > > of the movement, what *was* the ostensible reason for > > dumping Jerry? I remember something vague about his not > > being in favor of the TM-Sidhis course, but I have no > > idea how reliable that was. > > > I was wondering the same thing. I was pretty imbedded > during the period where Jerry lost his "most favored > disciple" status. What were the circumstances, and what > were examples of the public put downs? I will say that > in true Kremlin style, when the New Jersy court case camd > down the wrong way, it was pretty much hushed up, and > down played. So, I only got a muffled version of the > whole thing. Around 1980, I attended a lecture Jerry gave at the Manhattan TM Center; don't remember what the topic was or anything of what he said. A little later, he gave a lecture at Town Hall for TMers. Don't recall much of that either, but it had a lot to do with Brahman and Brahman consciousness. (I remember he pronounced it BRUMMin, not BrahMAN, as I'd heard it up to that point.) I'd enjoyed both lectures and sometime later asked Janet Hoffman, the perennial center chairman, when he'd be giving another one. She said he wouldn't be giving any more and wouldn't say why, but it was clear that he was no longer the Golden Boy by that time. In retrospect, I'd bet Janet was pretty pissed about it, which may have been why she wouldn't explain what the problem was: she didn't want to say anything negative about him.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's hear it for Jerry+Any particular question lingering for the last 30 ye
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" wrote: > > > That maharishi could dump someone who had been so > > incredibly important to the TMO, someone who had > > followed his every command and who helped bring untold > > thousands into the fold.that told me that I should > > now view Maharishi's behavior as I would any other man. > > For those of us who weren't privy to the inner workings > of the movement, what *was* the ostensible reason for > dumping Jerry? I remember something vague about his not > being in favor of the TM-Sidhis course, but I have no > idea how reliable that was. > I was wondering the same thing. I was pretty imbedded during the period where Jerry lost his "most favored disciple" status. What were the circumstances, and what were examples of the public put downs? I will say that in true Kremlin style, when the New Jersy court case camd down the wrong way, it was pretty much hushed up, and down played. So, I only got a muffled version of the whole thing.
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On Feb 28, 2010, at 9:26 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote: >> >> According to Nancy Cooke de Herrera, Jerry Jarvis did not >> get 'dumped' by the Maharishi or by the TMO. > > According to Nancy Cooke de Herrera, the tigers > that she and her son (The Beatles' "Bungalo Bill") > shot after they left their TTC course in Rishikesh > to hunt them from elephantback *wanted* to be killed > by her so they could gain a higher rebirth. Gag. Is it just me, or does the TMO seem to be unusually filled with nutcases, even for a cult? :) Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's hear it for Jerry+Any particular question lingering for the last 30 ye
> > He was the normal counterbalance to any little voice > > in your head that said "you're not in Kansas anymore > > Bucko"... > > Get a grip, Joe - it was Jerry that wanted to move MIU to Iowa! Barry: > I would phrase it more along the lines of, "He made > obeying every insane thing he was told to do look > almost noble." > On the contrary, Jerry was like a breath of fresh air compared to some of the so-called 'International Staff'. You guys sucked big time as community organizers, passing out those dumb flyers promising 'enlightenment' in 5-7 years. When Jery found out about that, he kicked you out, and that's a good thing, I my opinion. Jerry told me that was a really dumb thing to do. You should have checked with Jerry before you pulled that stupid stunt. I once saw a poster you put up for Fred Lenz that promised 'instant enlightenment' - that was probably your idea too! Go figure. > I would agree with most here that the idea of EVER > doing anything other than what his "master" told him > to do never entered Jerry's head... > You need to get a grip too, Barry. Jerry apparently never spoke to the Maharishi after January 21, 1975, when he was in Majorrca, Spain. Jerry and Debbie Jarvis were the best thing that ever happened to the TM movement. They supplanted the SRM and got rid of people who had tried to turn TM into a religion, but not before some people turned the Mahesh Yogi into a cult figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's hear it for Jerry+Any particular question lingering for the last 30 ye
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote: > > According to Nancy Cooke de Herrera, Jerry Jarvis did not > get 'dumped' by the Maharishi or by the TMO. According to Nancy Cooke de Herrera, the tigers that she and her son (The Beatles' "Bungalo Bill") shot after they left their TTC course in Rishikesh to hunt them from elephantback *wanted* to be killed by her so they could gain a higher rebirth. Choose your authorities, but choose wisely.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's hear it for Jerry+Any particular question lingering for the last 30 ye
> > ...that told me that I should now view Maharishi's > > behavior as I would any other man. > > Judy: > For those of us who weren't privy to the inner workings > of the movement, what *was* the ostensible reason for > dumping Jerry? > According to Nancy Cooke de Herrera, Jerry Jarvis did not get 'dumped' by the Maharishi or by the TMO. Jerry wanted to work for himself, so he went to work selling real estate with his wife Debbie in California. Apparently they were very successful, and both have retired to enjoy the rest of their life serving their teacher in some way. > I remember something vague about his not being in favor > of the TM-Sidhis course, but I have no idea how reliable > that was... > According to Nancy and Tom Anderson, there were problems with international staff during that period. You can read Nancy's report in her book, 'Beyond Gurus'. According to Ned Wynn, most of the courses in Spain and Italy were uneventful - Tom said that it's when you get to the TMO headquarters that things got rough.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's hear it for Jerry+Any particular question lingering for the last 30 ye
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" wrote: > That maharishi could dump someone who had been so > incredibly important to the TMO, someone who had > followed his every command and who helped bring untold > thousands into the fold.that told me that I should > now view Maharishi's behavior as I would any other man. For those of us who weren't privy to the inner workings of the movement, what *was* the ostensible reason for dumping Jerry? I remember something vague about his not being in favor of the TM-Sidhis course, but I have no idea how reliable that was.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's hear it for Jerry+Any particular question lingering for the last 30 ye
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" wrote: > > Very good observations Curtis. Jerry really did perform > a vital function for the TMO during the late 60s and early > 70s. He was the normal counterbalance to any little voice > in your head that said "you're not in Kansas anymore Bucko". > Jerry's presence was comforting...almost fatherly. Not only > that but he had a sense of humor about it all. I would phrase it more along the lines of, "He made obeying every insane thing he was told to do look almost noble." The sense of humor was real IMO, but often allowed him to "shrug off" unconscionable things he had been told to do by Maharishi and had done without a moment's hestitation. It was if he could laugh at such lapses and say, "Wow...look at the crazy shit my perfect master made me do now." It was as if he lacked the ability to make the con- nection between "crazy instructions" and "crazy master." I would agree with most here that the idea of EVER doing anything other than what his "master" told him to do never entered Jerry's head. He was completely "sold out" to the passive willing-slave-to-the-all- knowledgeable-master model. I'm pretty sure that Jerry, being who he was, managed to find some way to *not* blame Maharishi for being the petty, jealous pissant he turned out to be when writing Jerry out of the movement and its history, and badrapping him over and over in front of audiences who just lapped this insanity up because it was coming from "the master." Jerry would have attributed what happened to him as karma or something deemed necessary by the "laws of nature" rather than the perturbations of a sick, jealous mind. And a good thing, too. Because otherwise, during the standing ovation he got on this video, he might have been tempted to look around the room and focus on the faces of the people now applauding him and think, "You there...I remember you...you crossed the street rather than run into me." Or "And you...I heard what you said about me in TM center after TM center, parroting the trash that Maharishi talked about me." The aspect of this "standing ovation" that no one has talked about is its screaming HYPOCRISY. The people now standing and applauding are the same ones who DID NOT SAY A WORD when Maharishi hung Jerry out to dry and made him a scapegoat. They not only went along with it, they cheered Maharishi as he did it. And now they're thinkin' a little stand- ing ovation will get them off the hook. I would have had more respect for Jerry if he had spit on their standing ovation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's hear it for Jerry+Any particular question lingering for the last 30 ye
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" wrote: > > Very good observations Curtis. Jerry really did perform a vital function for > the TMO during the late 60s and early 70s. He was the normal counterbalance > to any little voice in your head that said "you're not in Kansas anymore > Bucko". Jerry's presence was comforting...almost fatherly. Not only that but > he had a sense of humor about it all. To have had a shared interest into his "relative" interests put you in the inner, inner circle. That was part of his populous appeal:"he watches Saturday Night Live!" I would give every discussion I had about Brahman fucking consciousness with the guy to have heard him wax poetic about ANY music he felt deeply now. You knew him in a way I could not back then. > > In my own case, knowing that Jerry was a jazz fan (huge fan of Billie > Holiday) and that he frequented the jazz clubs of LA (like Shelly's Mann > Hole) gave me assurance that what I was committing my life to was perfectly > normal. I wish I had gotten that memo! Billie Heroin Holiday! He must have related to you as more of an equal. I was an untrustworthy square! > > When I interviewed with Jerry to begin working at the national center his > main question to me was "what kind of a car do you drive?" At the time, the > parking lot of national was full of the dilapidated wrecks that most > initiators drove. It was becoming an embarrassment to the outside world. > Fortunately, I had a relatively new VW Rabbit so I got the gig. Just like his master. money talks bullshit walks! > > When Jerry was unceremoniously booted from the movement it was the final push > in my rapidly growing move away from the TMO. MMY's own behavior was what > started that move by the way, especially his tantrums and paranoia over the > idea of CIA infiltration of the TMO. That was a weird time and if I want to be really sympathetic to Maharishi I can relate to the fact that he was in the kiss-ass grinder for wy too long to come out normal. He may have started as a decent guy, but that fame shit will turn a saint into an asshole. > > That maharishi could dump someone who had been so incredibly important to the > TMO, someone who had followed his every command and who helped bring untold > thousands into the fold.that told me that I should now view Maharishi's > behavior as I would any other man. Enough with all the rationalizations and > excuses for what I was observing first hand. If he was having a tantrum, he > was having a tantrum.not expressing the wrath of Lord Shiva. Well said. It was a shitty trick they pulled on Jerry and we all knew it. I faced the demons about it. I stood in front of them and said "not right." It was my few finest moments in the movement and even now, I'm glad I made that stand. Neil Patterson almost had my ass, but fuck him. He was wrong. > > It's nice to Jerry looking healthy, with his great smile intact. Wonder if he > still hangs out in the jazz clubs of LA?? The guy is redeemable. He could share a beer and come out as a decent human IMO. He loved Maharishi and I don't blame him for that. So did I. Great nostalgia rap. I'm still susceptible to Jerry's charm, even in retrospect. He was the "adult" that made my obsession seem OKay Dokay! I have as much personal fondness for him as I do his master. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I got a through experience of Jerry off mike. He is not a guy who > > > enjoyes debate, even with believers let alone someone who wants to > > > challenge him. He has been in a position of privileged deference for > > > waaay too long. He is very guarded. > > > > That snippet suddenly opened up and perhaps better connected some > > observations, interactions, events and situations of that era. > > > > While my thoughts are limited, and my ability to express their core is > > challenging, here some thoughts. > > > > Jerry was a model mouthpiece for and follower of Maharishi. And he did a > > marvelous job of speaking out Maharishis message -- translating it from a > > different culture and tradition to an American context. But I don't recall > > (not that it wasn't necessarily there) great intellectual leaps to new > > insights or a fusion of diverse concepts. He was following the charge, not > > leading it. And we followed in the dust of it all. > > > > Jerry's answers to questions were often great. But all within the envelope > > of what he had heard from Maharishi. Not breaking new frontiers, but rather > > clarifying, and contextualizing what had already been laid down. > > > > Comparing styles, not in a value judgement way, people like Chopra, were > > much more synthesizing the knowledge with things outside the traditional TM > > envelope. And was happy to let it all go -- in order to
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's hear it for Jerry+Any particular question lingering for the last 30 ye
Very good observations Curtis. Jerry really did perform a vital function for the TMO during the late 60s and early 70s. He was the normal counterbalance to any little voice in your head that said "you're not in Kansas anymore Bucko". Jerry's presence was comforting...almost fatherly. Not only that but he had a sense of humor about it all. In my own case, knowing that Jerry was a jazz fan (huge fan of Billie Holiday) and that he frequented the jazz clubs of LA (like Shelly's Mann Hole) gave me assurance that what I was committing my life to was perfectly normal. When I interviewed with Jerry to begin working at the national center his main question to me was "what kind of a car do you drive?" At the time, the parking lot of national was full of the dilapidated wrecks that most initiators drove. It was becoming an embarrassment to the outside world. Fortunately, I had a relatively new VW Rabbit so I got the gig. When Jerry was unceremoniously booted from the movement it was the final push in my rapidly growing move away from the TMO. MMY's own behavior was what started that move by the way, especially his tantrums and paranoia over the idea of CIA infiltration of the TMO. That maharishi could dump someone who had been so incredibly important to the TMO, someone who had followed his every command and who helped bring untold thousands into the fold.that told me that I should now view Maharishi's behavior as I would any other man. Enough with all the rationalizations and excuses for what I was observing first hand. If he was having a tantrum, he was having a tantrum.not expressing the wrath of Lord Shiva. It's nice to Jerry looking healthy, with his great smile intact. Wonder if he still hangs out in the jazz clubs of LA?? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > > I got a through experience of Jerry off mike. He is not a guy who enjoyes > > debate, even with believers let alone someone who wants to challenge him. > > He has been in a position of privileged deference for waaay too long. He > > is very guarded. > > That snippet suddenly opened up and perhaps better connected some > observations, interactions, events and situations of that era. > > While my thoughts are limited, and my ability to express their core is > challenging, here some thoughts. > > Jerry was a model mouthpiece for and follower of Maharishi. And he did a > marvelous job of speaking out Maharishis message -- translating it from a > different culture and tradition to an American context. But I don't recall > (not that it wasn't necessarily there) great intellectual leaps to new > insights or a fusion of diverse concepts. He was following the charge, not > leading it. And we followed in the dust of it all. > > Jerry's answers to questions were often great. But all within the envelope of > what he had heard from Maharishi. Not breaking new frontiers, but rather > clarifying, and contextualizing what had already been laid down. > > Comparing styles, not in a value judgement way, people like Chopra, were much > more synthesizing the knowledge with things outside the traditional TM > envelope. And was happy to let it all go -- in order to continue such (and > would have been an increasing strain to have not continued that natural flow > of his mind). > > And upon the estrangement from the movement Jerry didn't appear to have > unstoppable "genius", "the right stuff", outside of Maharishi's shadow. > People like Chopra and SSRS appear to have gone on and followed their passion > and inner vision to good effect. Standing on the shoulder of giants. > > Which hits on the possible contradictions of a Master / devotee relation. > While always there, at a certain stage, many leave the nest, move on from > grad school, and apply what they have learned and gained in a NEW context, > addressing new issues. Others carry on forever, always the devotee, inside > and out. Both avenues are probably needed. But the former are perhaps > "free-er", flying under the power of their own engine. > > How much there is there? -- as Gertrude Stein might ask. > > (And key words here could be dragged out of context -- with much fun I am > sure.) >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's hear it for Jerry+Any particular question lingering for the last 30 ye
But he sure does play a mean slide guitar eh Nabby? You have to give him that! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > I am not calling you a fool for believing in the Maharishi deal. I think you > are wrong. But I can respect your personal choices and I wish you would > respect mine. > > > > Just as I get a kick out of expressing my view of Maharishi you get a kick > > out of expressing your view of me. > > > Believe it or not Curtis but I'm actually listening to "Love & Theft" (nr 5) > as I write this. > > You never knew Maharishi and probably never will. Still your stupidity in > expression your views of the Masterly vision of His Holiness; the > transformation of this planet for thousands of years to come due to the > common efforts of Masters and Sidhas makes me want to puke. You are intense > ignorance incarnated :-) >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Let's hear it for Jerry+Any particular question lingering for the last 30 ye
On Feb 26, 2010, at 4:07 PM, Joe wrote: > I really wonder what Jerry has to say about the whole raja/royalty thing. You > would be unlikely to get a real response in front of a group but one to one, > over a glass of vino, what would he say? > > Does anyone know? Yeah. He thinks they're really cool. He wants one. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's hear it for Jerry+Any particular question lingering for the last 30 ye
I really wonder what Jerry has to say about the whole raja/royalty thing. You would be unlikely to get a real response in front of a group but one to one, over a glass of vino, what would he say? Does anyone know? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon wrote: > > Damn, those crowns just make me want to go to Burger King! > > > > > > From: PaliGap > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Fri, February 26, 2010 10:27:04 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Let's hear it for Jerry+Any particular question > lingering for the last 30 years > > Â > > > --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, merudanda wrote: > > > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=W0Qu7a2lbkw > > > > 'scuse my ignorance, but who was that speaking? > I'm sticking my head above the parapet here - but I > thought he did a fine job. > > And was that substantial chap reading his magazine > and making notes Bevan? (And why wasn't he paying > attention!) >
