[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Good luck on your mission. I send people to learn TM at TM centers and they get 
turned off right away on going in with how 'odd' the presentation is. 
'Arrogant' is another word that gets used along with, 'cult'. The technique is 
nice to learn and practice and it can be well taught. It seems over-produced 
now in a way that triggers people. There has been so much about cults and abuse 
recently in media around spirituality and religion that people seem much more 
sensitive to what they may be getting into. ..compared to centering prayer and 
mindfulness meditations that are more widely taught adapting principles of 
effortlessness now very similar to some TM techniques. I hope these TM folks 
can figure it out and do well and exist in the very competitive marketplace. 
-JaiGuruYou Description : Press Release New TM Center Bethlehem & Lehigh Valley 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 Never mind... I deleted my upload because the exact same file was already 
there, uploaded by Rick in 2008. It's in the Files section of the FFL website, 
in the Audio & Video Files folder.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[Alex Stanley]

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>   File: /Maharishi_article.pdf 
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>   Description : DEVA DOOTA MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI 
> 
> You can access this file at the URL:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/Maharishi_article.pdf 

File moved to this folder:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/Miscellaneous%20Writings/

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[authfriend]

blusc0ut, thanks for grabbing this for us.

It's from Wikileaks and is titled "New Points for the
Standard Introductory Lecture on the Transcendental
Meditation program from the International Course to
Recertify Governors, April 2005."

I don't see anything one way or the other about "belief"
being required for TM to work, but from point #10 on,
from what I can remember of the intro lectures I've been
to (most recently around 20 years ago), there are some
interesting differences.

Can anyone who was teaching back then verify that my
memory is accurate? These new points seem to involve a
lot more of a hard sell, among other things.

These are from 2005, before the David Lynch project with
school kids and before the TMO took much of the woo-woo-iest
stuff off its Web sites. Are these 2005 points reflected in
intro lectures currently, or have they been toned back down?
I'd imagine the kids get a more down-to-earth intro lecture
in any case.


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>   Description : TM Intro- lecture 2005 wikileaks 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[whynotnow7]

Thanks for uploading this Rick and thanks for noticing it Nabs. Lots of good 
material here, as you said! :-)

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> > Hello,
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> >   File: /Maharishi's Lectures/Esoteric Maharishi quotes.doc 
> >   Uploaded by : rick_archer  
> >   Description : Esoteric Maharishi Quotes 
> > 
> > You can access this file at the URL:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/Maharishi%27s%20Lectures/Esoteric%20Maharishi%20quotes.doc
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> 
> Nice material, much of which I haven't seen before. Thanks for posting this !
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[nablusoss1008]

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>   Description : Esoteric Maharishi Quotes 
> 
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Nice material, much of which I haven't seen before. Thanks for posting this !

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[Alex S]

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>   Description : government corruption 
> 
> You can access this file at the URL:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/1.pdf 

I moved the file to the Members' Writings and Suggestions folder:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/Members'%20%20Writings%20and%20Suggestions/

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[Alex Stanley]

This file has been moved to the appropriate folder:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/Spiritual%20Books/

The other two files uploaded this morning have been deleted, as they had been 
uploaded previously and moved to the above folder. 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
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> I for one find these uploaded files confusing.  If they are
> mostly just text files, why not simply put them here as a
> post?
> 
> I have problems opening them and viewing them.

They're .flv files, actually, Flash video. You have to
download them to your hard disk and have an FLV player
installed on your system to play them (as opposed to
playing them from the Web). And he's zipped some of them.

Apparently Merudanda has realized this is a problem and
has started including links to the videos on YouTube in
his posts so folks who don't have FLV players can see
them. But he really shouldn't upload these FLV files to
our Files section anyway, because they're pretty big and
eat up a lot of our limited space.

I don't know what the "Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 7/lets hear
jerry.z01" file is. When I download it and unzip it,
Windows tells me it's "the first file in a backup set"
and asks me to "choose the last file in the set." I have
no idea what that means. And I have no idea why Merudanda
uploaded it to the Bhagavad-Gita Chapter 7 folder!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[Bhairitu]

Probably because they're clueless about things like "cut and paste."  
You don't know how many times I've seen someone start to type in an 
article and I've shown them right click->select all->copy and then paste 
in to the client Window.  A couple years ago my nephew's wife created a 
book of Christmas song lyrics for our yearly jam.  She started cracking 
up when we did "The Twelve Days of Christmas" because she left out a day 
when she typed it in.   I had sent her a link to a lot of songs 
including that one so she should have just cut and paste.  She said "no, 
that wouldn't work because I wanted to change the font."  My older 
nephew and I had to bite our tongues to keep from rolling on the floor 
laughing.

ShempMcGurk wrote:
> I for one find these uploaded files confusing.  If they are mostly just text 
> files, why not simply put them here as a post?
>
> I have problems opening them and viewing them.
>
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>>   File: /Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 7/Jerry Jarvis on Jan 12 2009.zip 
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>>   Description : Jerry remembers Nat's bedroom
>>
>> You can access this file at the URL:
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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[ShempMcGurk]

I for one find these uploaded files confusing.  If they are mostly just text 
files, why not simply put them here as a post?

I have problems opening them and viewing them.

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>   File: /Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 7/Jerry Jarvis on Jan 12 2009.zip 
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>   Description : Jerry remembers Nat's bedroom
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
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>   File: /Vedic "Science"/KnowStructOSX.pdf 
>   Uploaded by : vajradhatu108  
>   Description : The famous "knowledge is structured in
> consciousness" mis-translation of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
> from the Rig Veda.

Note that what Vaj posted in this file is neither
(a) what he claimed in his recent post was MMY's
translation (he said it came from "MIU documents"),
nor (b) the translation MMY was using at least
since 1985.

It's closer to the latter, but there are still many
differences.

Here's the translation from Vaj's file:

"Richa is situated in Akshara: knowledge is structured
in consciousness, the nonchanging transcendental basis
of all relative existence, in which reside the impulses
of creative intelligence responsible for the whole
manifest universe.

"He whose awareness is not open to this level of reality,
what can these eternal expressions of knowledge accomplish
for him? He whose awareness is open to it--the field of
pure consciousness, the home of all knowledge--is
profoundly established in it."

And here's the translation MMY has been using at least
since 1985 (that's the earliest citation I can find, but
he may have been using it well before that):

"The verses of the Ved exist in the collapse of fullness
(the Kshara of 'A') in the transcendental field, in
which reside all the devas, the impulses of creative
intelligence, the laws of nature responsible for the
whole manifest universe.

"He whose awareness is not open to this field, what can
the verses accomplish for him? Those who know this level
of reality are established in evenness, wholeness of life."

 The verse actually means "seated in
> the highest heaven", not "structured in consciousness"
> as often claimed by TM-bots.

It's not "claimed" by anybody who is familiar with
the translation I quoted, because "structured in
consciousness" isn't in it.

Vaj doesn't mean to say "the verse," BTW; he's
referring to a phrase in the verse, "parame
vyoman."

Note that "parame vyoman" is translated as "the
nonchanging transcendental basis of all relative
existence" in Vaj's file, and more simply as "the
transcendental field" in the translation I quoted.
In neither version is it translated as "structured
in consciousness."

Where Vaj got the "seated in the highest heaven"
translation is unclear, but it doesn't seem to be
on the Web in any translations, TM or non-, of this
verse. But it's not too difficult to see how 
someone doing a "poetic" translation might use the
phrase "the highest heaven" for a Sanskrit term
for which someone else striving for a more precise
and technical translation would use "transcendental
field." To claim one or the other is a
"mistranslation" is foolish, to say the least (sort
of like interpreting Genesis based on a literal
reading of the King James translation).

Vaj's confusion here is so convoluted it would take
forever to straighten out, so I'm not going to try.

> From the original 1974/75 MIU Catalogue page XI 

If you Google any of the distinctive phrases in the
translation I quoted, you'll get many hits citing it
and attributing it to Maharishi, including at least
three times on the MUM Web site. Here's one instance:

http://is1.mum.edu/vedicreserve/tm.htm

I couldn't find on the Web any of the distinctive
phrases in the translation in Vaj's file. Obviously
if MMY translated it that way at one time, he
subsequently revised it (probably after he developed
his Apaurusheya Bhashya ideas). The one I quoted is
the only translation I've ever seen used in the TM
context.

Oh, this is interesting. Here's Aurobindo's
translation:

"The Rishi Dirghatamas speaks of the Riks, the 
Mantras of the Veda, as existing 'in a supreme
ether, imperishable and immutable in which all
the gods are seated,' and he adds 'one who knows
not That what shall he do with the Rik?'"

Which seems closer to "supreme ether, 
imperishable and immutable": "highest heaven"
or "transcendental field"? 

If Vaj had a genuine point to make, he'd do well to
take another crack at it when he's able to think
clearly, because what he's posted up to this point is
nonsense.

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[nablusoss1008]

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>   File: /Vedic "Science"/Age of the Veda.html 
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>   Description : The age, location and era for the Rig Veda. 
> 
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Slowly the FFL files are becoming a propaganda platform for the Dolly Lama.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[Vaj]

On Jul 14, 2009, at 5:27 PM, WillyTex wrote:


Vaj wrote:

It'll be interesting hear about how their invincible
technology protected the land of the Ved as it was
taken over by Muslims with swords.


The 'land of the Ved' was never taken over by anyone;
the Buddhist pacifists lost everything and had to move
to Tibet where it's very cold. The Veds are still in
the land of the Ved, but very few Buddhists are left
because they ran away and wouldn't fight the good
fight, so they lost everything.


The land of the Ved--Pakistan largely, was taken over by Muslims.  
North India is being seeded with Madrasas. The last 350,000 Hindu  
pundit families left Kashmir years ago, fleeing for their lives.





Pakistan and Kashmir are just so sattvic...


You are supposed to visit the place BEFORE you post
your comments about it, Vaj.


Travel restrictions prevents most travel to these areas Willy. Haven't  
they shown A Mighty Heart in Texas yet?

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[WillyTex]

Vaj wrote:
> It'll be interesting hear about how their invincible
> technology protected the land of the Ved as it was
> taken over by Muslims with swords.
>
The 'land of the Ved' was never taken over by anyone;
the Buddhist pacifists lost everything and had to move
to Tibet where it's very cold. The Veds are still in
the land of the Ved, but very few Buddhists are left
because they ran away and wouldn't fight the good
fight, so they lost everything.

> Pakistan and Kashmir are just so sattvic...
>
You are supposed to visit the place BEFORE you post
your comments about it, Vaj.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[Vaj]

On Jul 14, 2009, at 1:19 PM, guyfawkes91 wrote:




1) The Rig Veda, our oldest human text, describes the
geography of Northern India, including the seven rivers.

2)The Vedic Calendar was based on astronomical data,
which places the Vedic Culture in Northern India.

So it's clearly not the cognition of the mechanics of creation  
then, unless it's only about the creation of one small bit of the  
earth's surface.


I guess the TMO will be trying to match the geography of northern  
india to the structure of unified field theories to "prove" that  
india is the fount of all civilization.



It'll be interesting hear about how their invincible technology  
protected the land of the Ved as it was taken over by Muslims with  
swords. Pakistan and Kashmir are just so sattvic, doncha think?

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[guyfawkes91]

> 1) The Rig Veda, our oldest human text, describes the
> geography of Northern India, including the seven rivers.
> 
> 2)The Vedic Calendar was based on astronomical data,
> which places the Vedic Culture in Northern India.
> 
So it's clearly not the cognition of the mechanics of creation then, unless 
it's only about the creation of one small bit of the earth's surface. 

I guess the TMO will be trying to match the geography of northern india to the 
structure of unified field theories to "prove" that india is the fount of all 
civilization.

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[WillyTex]

> The Hindutva View of History: Rewriting Textbooks
> in India and the United States
>
"There is much ground for believing that Ancient India
was central to the origins of civilization. And why?
Because of the internal evidence of the Vedas themselves.

1) The Rig Veda, our oldest human text, describes the
geography of Northern India, including the seven rivers.

2)The Vedic Calendar was based on astronomical data,
which places the Vedic Culture in Northern India.

3)The Vedic Hymns reflect a profound spiritual culture,
whose symbolism includes Yoga, Shramanism, and
Divine Mother worship.

4) Wove into the fabric of the Vedas is the history of a
maritime culture, reflecting a familiarity with the sea..."

Read more:

From: Willytex
Subject: Re: When did the Aryans come into India
Newsgroups: alt.meditation,
alt.meditation.transcendental,
alt.politics.india.communist,
alt.politics.india.progressive
Date: February 10, 2000
http://tinyurl.com/nb2xt8 

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[Alex Stanley]

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> 
> Hello,
> 
> This email message is a notification to let you know that
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A little heads up about the files section... please notice that it is divided 
up into various folders. If you're going to upload a file, please make sure to 
upload it to the appropriate folder. Please do not upload files to the root 
directory of the files section. Thanks!

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[grate . swan]

>From this file:

"All mystics agree that Ultimate Reality-whether It is called Allah, Brahman, 
Buddha-nature, En-sof, God, or the Tao-cannot be grasped by thought or 
expressed in words. "

Is that true, "ALL mystics"? Was there a vote? a poll? Or is this simply 
someones fanciful thinking -- a convenient leap of faith that makes them feel 
all kumbaya inside. 

>From what I understand, western christian, greek/russian orthodox, hebrew, 
>sufi, kabballist, egytian, greek traditional, american indian mystics do not 
>agree on this.  




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>   File: /Spiritual Books/21st Century Books-Non-Dual Sources.doc 
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>   Description : Books on non-duality from FF's 21st Century Bookstore 
> 
> You can access this file at the URL:
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[Fairfield Lifer]

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Rick Archer  wrote:
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of shempmcgurk
>
> Just a bunch of naked pictures of famous movie stars. (Earnest Borgnine,
> Kathy Bates, etc.)
>
> No, it's an up-to-date bibliography of TM research sent out by David OJ
> today.

And the difference is?

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of shempmcgurk
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 12:44 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

 

>Could you please tell us what this file is all about before we go to 
>the trouble of downloading it?

Just a bunch of naked pictures of famous movie stars. (Earnest Borgnine,
Kathy Bates, etc.)

No, it's an up-to-date bibliography of TM research sent out by David OJ
today.

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[shempmcgurk]

Could you please tell us what this file is all about before we go to 
the trouble of downloading it?

Thanks.




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> 
> Hello,
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> This email message is a notification to let you know that
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>   File: /TM Research/Bibl TM Res Pub Chalmers - corrected 5-
2-9 
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>   Description : Bibliography of TM research 
> 
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20Research/Bibl%20TM%20Res%20Pub%20Chalmers%20-%20corrected%205-2-9 
> 
> To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
> 
http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htm
lfiles
> 
> Regards,
> 
> rick_archer 
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[transactual]

I just wanted to add a bit of text about what this file that I
uploaded is about:

This is a 50-page intro of a book called "Who, In Fact, You Really
Are." Here's a description of the book:

Who Are You, Really?

Ever wonder about the meaning of life? Why we're here? What the
Universe is all about?

You're not alone. There are hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of
us out there. Just like you.

What if the Creator were to give you a "college education" about the
nature of the Universe? What if All That Is would dictate a book that
would answer some of your deepest questions, including explaining the
true nature and structure of the Universe, how to perform magic and
manifest physical things, the nature of time and space in relation to
consciousness, and most importantly, the absolute answer of "Who, In
Fact, You Really Are?"

This is that book.

The force that expressed itself through Jesus, Buddha, Krishna,
Mohammed, Edgar Cayce and other great avatars who served as channels
for what is commonly referred to as "God" communicates again today as
the world begins to enter a period of Spiritual Ascension with a new
consciousness and awareness.

This force, which refers to itself as Cosmic Awareness so that it
cannot be confused with an entity or a personality, has been
communicating for more than 40 years through several carefully
trained channels who go deep into trance and communicate the energies
and symbols that are expressed, putting them into human language. As
it reveals this information, Cosmic Awareness does not ask you
to "believe" anything, but to question, explore, doubt and discover
for yourself the Truth that is within you — to discover "Who, In
Fact, You Really Are."

The book consists of a set of 144 carefully structured lessons that
took over 10 years to create. They are designed to lead you, step by
step, from where you are now to where you want to be. This amazing
information begins with Cosmic Awareness telling you what Cosmic
Awareness itself is, how the Universe and humans (and non-humans)
were created, and leads you through birth, childhood, adulthood,
magic, sex, death and far beyond — explaining all of the "Secrets of
the Universe" that everyone is looking for. It is some of the most
relevant, fascinating and spiritually uplifting information ever
released on Earth.

-- Dave

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > Speaking of "suggestions," how's about not uploading
> > files that don't have a clear explanation of what the
> > document is in the title. 
> > 
> > I, for one, am never going to click on a document called
> > "Intro.pdf"...to put such a document up is downright rude.
> > *At least* tell us what it is, right?
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The article I read was in Friday's NYT, the WeekendArts section, in 
> an art review titled, "Mr. Natural Goes the the Museum"  You will 
> enjoy it!

Thanks, got it:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/05/arts/design/05crum.html?em

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey, did you notice the Crumbster, or an exhibit about his work 
> got 
> > > a good write up in the NYT yesterday.
> > 
> > No. And I thank you from the bottom of my heart
> > for bringing it to my attention.
> > 
> > 
> http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/c/robert_c
> rumb/index.html
> > 
> > or 
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/6hjwaa
> > 
> > I really love Robert. He is one of the most sincere,
> > straightforward, honest people it has ever been my
> > good fortune to meet. You just want to hug him, 
> > but you don't, because you know it would make him 
> > uncomfortable.
> > 
> > What those who have never really dived into his more
> > esoteric (read "limited edition" and "expensive")
> > work may not realize is the God's-honest-truthness
> > of the lines from the article, "...art critic Robert 
> > Hughes once called Mr. Crumb 'the Bruegel of the 20th 
> > century.'" 
> > 
> > He's that good. I'm into art. I've seen the line
> > drawings of Bruegel and all of the other Dutch
> > Masters. Robert's in their league.
> > 
> > Also from the article: "Mr. Crumb's work presents a 
> > vision of American life as a phantasmagoric gallery 
> > of grotesques that is as gripping as it is harshly 
> > funny."
> > 
> > Hey, I lived for a time as Robert's next-door neighbor.
> > Life often IS a a phantasmagoric gallery of grotesques
> > in Sauve. But it's also To Die For Funny, and I loved 
> > that Robert, given all he's been through, could laugh 
> > at it as much as he does. 
> > 
> > One of the first things that endeared me to R.Crumb,
> > the first time I met him in Paris, is that he laughed 
> > at my jokes. 
> > 
> > Really. 
> > 
> > I mean, he *really* laughed.
> > 
> > Get a couple of glasses of wine in me, and I tell jokes.
> > It's just who I am, and what I do. And I *understand*
> > that some of my friends put up with my jokes only because
> > they really, really love me.
> > 
> > But, weirdo that I am, I really *get into* the telling
> > of a good joke. I look at a joke as an artform, something
> > that one practices but never masters. So I don't just
> > tell jokes over and over, I *tune* them, and try to make
> > them more *effective* jokes. 
> > 
> > This inner artistic quest has so far met with far too
> > much stony non-laughter. Maybe it's my choice of jokes.
> > 
> > But Robert really *liked* my jokes. And when he did --
> > and it would always take him a few seconds before he
> > did, and realized that he did -- he would burst into
> > the most Buddhalike laughter I have ever heard.
> > 
> > It was like someone who carried the weight of the
> > world around on his shoulders for a living suddenly
> > having a moment that made him laugh.
> > 
> > Contributing to that laughter, whenever I could, were
> > the high points of my time in Sauve.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[lurkernomore20002000]

The article I read was in Friday's NYT, the WeekendArts section, in 
an art review titled, "Mr. Natural Goes the the Museum"  You will 
enjoy it!


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
>  wrote:
> >
> > Hey, did you notice the Crumbster, or an exhibit about his work 
got 
> > a good write up in the NYT yesterday.
> 
> No. And I thank you from the bottom of my heart
> for bringing it to my attention.
> 
> 
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/c/robert_c
rumb/index.html
> 
> or 
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/6hjwaa
> 
> I really love Robert. He is one of the most sincere,
> straightforward, honest people it has ever been my
> good fortune to meet. You just want to hug him, 
> but you don't, because you know it would make him 
> uncomfortable.
> 
> What those who have never really dived into his more
> esoteric (read "limited edition" and "expensive")
> work may not realize is the God's-honest-truthness
> of the lines from the article, "...art critic Robert 
> Hughes once called Mr. Crumb 'the Bruegel of the 20th 
> century.'" 
> 
> He's that good. I'm into art. I've seen the line
> drawings of Bruegel and all of the other Dutch
> Masters. Robert's in their league.
> 
> Also from the article: "Mr. Crumb's work presents a 
> vision of American life as a phantasmagoric gallery 
> of grotesques that is as gripping as it is harshly 
> funny."
> 
> Hey, I lived for a time as Robert's next-door neighbor.
> Life often IS a a phantasmagoric gallery of grotesques
> in Sauve. But it's also To Die For Funny, and I loved 
> that Robert, given all he's been through, could laugh 
> at it as much as he does. 
> 
> One of the first things that endeared me to R.Crumb,
> the first time I met him in Paris, is that he laughed 
> at my jokes. 
> 
> Really. 
> 
> I mean, he *really* laughed.
> 
> Get a couple of glasses of wine in me, and I tell jokes.
> It's just who I am, and what I do. And I *understand*
> that some of my friends put up with my jokes only because
> they really, really love me.
> 
> But, weirdo that I am, I really *get into* the telling
> of a good joke. I look at a joke as an artform, something
> that one practices but never masters. So I don't just
> tell jokes over and over, I *tune* them, and try to make
> them more *effective* jokes. 
> 
> This inner artistic quest has so far met with far too
> much stony non-laughter. Maybe it's my choice of jokes.
> 
> But Robert really *liked* my jokes. And when he did --
> and it would always take him a few seconds before he
> did, and realized that he did -- he would burst into
> the most Buddhalike laughter I have ever heard.
> 
> It was like someone who carried the weight of the
> world around on his shoulders for a living suddenly
> having a moment that made him laugh.
> 
> Contributing to that laughter, whenever I could, were
> the high points of my time in Sauve.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hey, did you notice the Crumbster, or an exhibit about his work got 
> a good write up in the NYT yesterday.

No. And I thank you from the bottom of my heart
for bringing it to my attention.

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/c/robert_crumb/index.html

or 

http://tinyurl.com/6hjwaa

I really love Robert. He is one of the most sincere,
straightforward, honest people it has ever been my
good fortune to meet. You just want to hug him, 
but you don't, because you know it would make him 
uncomfortable.

What those who have never really dived into his more
esoteric (read "limited edition" and "expensive")
work may not realize is the God's-honest-truthness
of the lines from the article, "...art critic Robert 
Hughes once called Mr. Crumb 'the Bruegel of the 20th 
century.'" 

He's that good. I'm into art. I've seen the line
drawings of Bruegel and all of the other Dutch
Masters. Robert's in their league.

Also from the article: "Mr. Crumb's work presents a 
vision of American life as a phantasmagoric gallery 
of grotesques that is as gripping as it is harshly 
funny."

Hey, I lived for a time as Robert's next-door neighbor.
Life often IS a a phantasmagoric gallery of grotesques
in Sauve. But it's also To Die For Funny, and I loved 
that Robert, given all he's been through, could laugh 
at it as much as he does. 

One of the first things that endeared me to R.Crumb,
the first time I met him in Paris, is that he laughed 
at my jokes. 

Really. 

I mean, he *really* laughed.

Get a couple of glasses of wine in me, and I tell jokes.
It's just who I am, and what I do. And I *understand*
that some of my friends put up with my jokes only because
they really, really love me.

But, weirdo that I am, I really *get into* the telling
of a good joke. I look at a joke as an artform, something
that one practices but never masters. So I don't just
tell jokes over and over, I *tune* them, and try to make
them more *effective* jokes. 

This inner artistic quest has so far met with far too
much stony non-laughter. Maybe it's my choice of jokes.

But Robert really *liked* my jokes. And when he did --
and it would always take him a few seconds before he
did, and realized that he did -- he would burst into
the most Buddhalike laughter I have ever heard.

It was like someone who carried the weight of the
world around on his shoulders for a living suddenly
having a moment that made him laugh.

Contributing to that laughter, whenever I could, were
the high points of my time in Sauve.

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[lurkernomore20002000]

Hey, did you notice the Crumbster, or an exhibit about his work got 
a good write up in the NYT yesterday.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > This email message is a notification to let you know that
> > > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the 
FairfieldLife 
> > > group.
> > > 
> > >   File: /Intro.pdf 
> > >   Uploaded by : transactual  
> > >   Description : Amazing channeled book from the Creator 
> > > 
> > > You can access this file at the URL:
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/Intro.pdf 
> > > 
> > 
> > The file is now in the folder labeled "Members' Writings and 
> > Suggestions".
> 
> Speaking of "suggestions," how's about not uploading
> files that don't have a clear explanation of what the
> document is in the title. 
> 
> I, for one, am never going to click on a document called
> "Intro.pdf"...to put such a document up is downright rude.
> *At least* tell us what it is, right?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[TurquoiseB]

Emily Latella time. I see there is a Description field.

Never mind.  :-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > This email message is a notification to let you know that
> > > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the FairfieldLife 
> > > group.
> > > 
> > >   File: /Intro.pdf 
> > >   Uploaded by : transactual  
> > >   Description : Amazing channeled book from the Creator 
> > > 
> > > You can access this file at the URL:
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/Intro.pdf 
> > > 
> > 
> > The file is now in the folder labeled "Members' Writings and 
> > Suggestions".
> 
> Speaking of "suggestions," how's about not uploading
> files that don't have a clear explanation of what the
> document is in the title. 
> 
> I, for one, am never going to click on a document called
> "Intro.pdf"...to put such a document up is downright rude.
> *At least* tell us what it is, right?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > This email message is a notification to let you know that
> > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the FairfieldLife 
> > group.
> > 
> >   File: /Intro.pdf 
> >   Uploaded by : transactual  
> >   Description : Amazing channeled book from the Creator 
> > 
> > You can access this file at the URL:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/Intro.pdf 
> > 
> 
> The file is now in the folder labeled "Members' Writings and 
> Suggestions".

Speaking of "suggestions," how's about not uploading
files that don't have a clear explanation of what the
document is in the title. 

I, for one, am never going to click on a document called
"Intro.pdf"...to put such a document up is downright rude.
*At least* tell us what it is, right?

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> 
> Hello,
> 
> This email message is a notification to let you know that
> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the FairfieldLife 
> group.
> 
>   File: /Intro.pdf 
>   Uploaded by : transactual <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>   Description : Amazing channeled book from the Creator 
> 
> You can access this file at the URL:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/Intro.pdf 
> 

The file is now in the folder labeled "Members' Writings and Suggestions".

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of shempmcgurk
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 11:07 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

 

Rick:

FFLife is now a classified Ad depot?

For years there has been a folder in the files section where one can post
notices about commercial services. I see no harm in posting for sale items
there either. Does anyone object to that?

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[shempmcgurk]

Rick:

FFLife is now a classified Ad depot?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
wrote:
>
> 
> Hello,
> 
> This email message is a notification to let you know that
> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the FairfieldLife 
> group.
> 
>   File: /Local Services - For Sale/27" TV 
>   Uploaded by : rick_archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>   Description : Sony TV for sale 
> 
> You can access this file at the URL:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/Local%20Services%
20-%20For%20Sale/27%22%20TV 
> 
> To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
> 
http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htm
lfiles
> 
> Regards,
> 
> rick_archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Hugo
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:43 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com>  
wrote:
>
> 
> Hello,
> 
> This email message is a notification to let you know that
> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the FairfieldLife 
> group.
> 
> File : /Local Services/ARTISAN GELATO 
> Uploaded by : rick_archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Description : Now being served at the juice bar at Small Planet 
Restaurant in downtown Fairfield 
> 
> You can access this file at the URL:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/Local%
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/Local%25> 
20Services/ARTISAN%20GELATO 

Can someone send me a Dark venezuelan chocolate and pistachio one?

Would love to. BTW, Carol Morehead is my sister.

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
wrote:
>
> 
> Hello,
> 
> This email message is a notification to let you know that
> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the FairfieldLife 
> group.
> 
>   File: /Local Services/ARTISAN GELATO 
>   Uploaded by : rick_archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>   Description : Now being served at the juice bar at Small Planet 
Restaurant in downtown Fairfield 
> 
> You can access this file at the URL:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/Local%
20Services/ARTISAN%20GELATO 


Can someone send me a Dark venezuelan chocolate and pistachio one?

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[gullible fool]

Get a Life was hilarious, particularly the SPEWY
episode, where they ate the extraterrestrial.

--- bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante
>  
> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
> FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Hello,
> > > > 
> > > > This email message is a notification to let
> you know that
> > > > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of
> the FairfieldLife 
> > > > group.
> > > > 
> > > >   File: /File0001.jpg 
> > > >   Uploaded by : bob_brigante 
> > > >   Description : WSJ review of Lynch book, film
> 
> > > > 
> > > > You can access this file at the URL:
> > > >
>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/File0001.jpg
> 
> > > > 
> > > > To learn more about file sharing for your
> group, please visit:
> > > > http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files
> > > > 
> > > > Regards,
> > > > 
> > > > bob_brigante
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > *
> > > 
> > > I changed the file name to: WSJ on Lynch (last
> file on page) -- 
> > > mostly negative review of Lynch's book, movie
> > >
> > 
> 
> > People feel much the same way about his work as he
> does about David 
> Lynch's it seems:
> > 
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Monkey
> >
> 
> ***
> 
> I never saw the show, but the fact that it failed to
> capture the 
> attention of the masses does not mean it was no
> good. One of the 
> funniest shows ever done, Get a life ( 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_a_Life_(TV_series)
> ), was cancelled 
> in favor of the usual sitcom drivel that droolers go
> for. In any 
> event, more to the point, Kyle Smith's review of
> Lynch's work does 
> make some valid points and is coherent, although
> certainly harsh. 
> 
> At least TM fans can be glad that shock jock Howard
> Stern does 
> everybody a favor and does not talk much about TM,
> since the weird 
> and tasteless endorsing TM is probably not all that
> useful for the 
> movement. I guess Lynch's fan base will care about
> his favorable 
> attitude toward TM and others will just ignore him.
> 
> 
> 
> To subscribe, send a message to:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Or go to: 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
> and click 'Join This Group!' 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> 



__
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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > This email message is a notification to let you know that
> > > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the FairfieldLife 
> > > group.
> > > 
> > >   File: /File0001.jpg 
> > >   Uploaded by : bob_brigante 
> > >   Description : WSJ review of Lynch book, film 
> > > 
> > > You can access this file at the URL:
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/File0001.jpg 
> > > 
> > > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
> > > http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > 
> > > bob_brigante
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > *
> > 
> > I changed the file name to: WSJ on Lynch (last file on page) -- 
> > mostly negative review of Lynch's book, movie
> >
> 

> People feel much the same way about his work as he does about David 
Lynch's it seems:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Monkey
>

***

I never saw the show, but the fact that it failed to capture the 
attention of the masses does not mean it was no good. One of the 
funniest shows ever done, Get a life ( 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_a_Life_(TV_series) ), was cancelled 
in favor of the usual sitcom drivel that droolers go for. In any 
event, more to the point, Kyle Smith's review of Lynch's work does 
make some valid points and is coherent, although certainly harsh. 

At least TM fans can be glad that shock jock Howard Stern does 
everybody a favor and does not talk much about TM, since the weird 
and tasteless endorsing TM is probably not all that useful for the 
movement. I guess Lynch's fan base will care about his favorable 
attitude toward TM and others will just ignore him.

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > This email message is a notification to let you know that
> > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the FairfieldLife 
> > group.
> > 
> >   File: /File0001.jpg 
> >   Uploaded by : bob_brigante 
> >   Description : WSJ review of Lynch book, film 
> > 
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> >
> 
> 
> *
> 
> I changed the file name to: WSJ on Lynch (last file on page) -- 
> mostly negative review of Lynch's book, movie
>

People feel much the same way about his work as he does about David Lynch's it 
seems:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Monkey 

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

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mostly negative review of Lynch's book, movie

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  
> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" 
>  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >  It's not his mantra. It's his method of using the mantra.
> > > > 
> > > > "In this meditation we do not try.  We do not try to think the 
> mantra 
> > > > clearly.  Mental repetition is not a clear pronunciation it is 
> a 
> > > faint 
> > > > idea"
> > > > 
> > > > lurk
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Whoa! I think I've heard the "faint idea" -idea only in connection
> > > with TM-siddhis
> > >
> > 
> > Haven't been checked lately?
> >
> 
> Well, uh, some 25 years ago... And my mantra definately seems
> to work better if I pronounce the last "letter" rather clearly,
> as it was emphasized during my initiation by Mr J. H. 
> He said something like "the last sound resembles ",
> after he noticed, I believe, that I repeated that part of my mantra
> to him somewhat "sloppily".
> So, there seems to be some problems with the mantras when the 
> sounds in them don't appear in a language at all, or in a particular
> phonotactic position, for instance at the end of a word.
> An example, sort of, might be the Japanese and Chinese. In my 
> understanding they have a hard time making any difference between the 
> sounds 'r' and 'l'.
> Another example could be the German word for 'I' (ich), which 
> for instance native speakers of English tend to pronounce
> like 'ik'hmmm
>

There's no "works better" with TM. you DEFINITELY need to get checked...




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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[nablus108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  
> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" 
>  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >  It's not his mantra. It's his method of using the mantra.
> > > > 
> > > > "In this meditation we do not try.  We do not try to think 
the 
> mantra 
> > > > clearly.  Mental repetition is not a clear pronunciation it 
is 
> a 
> > > faint 
> > > > idea"
> > > > 
> > > > lurk
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Whoa! I think I've heard the "faint idea" -idea only in 
connection
> > > with TM-siddhis
> > >
> > 
> > Haven't been checked lately?
> >
> 
> Well, uh, some 25 years ago... And my mantra definately seems
> to work better if I pronounce the last "letter" rather clearly,
> as it was emphasized during my initiation by Mr J. H. 
> He said something like "the last sound resembles ",
> after he noticed, I believe, that I repeated that part of my mantra
> to him somewhat "sloppily".
> So, there seems to be some problems with the mantras when the 
> sounds in them don't appear in a language at all, or in a particular
> phonotactic position, for instance at the end of a word.
> An example, sort of, might be the Japanese and Chinese. In my 
> understanding they have a hard time making any difference between 
the 
> sounds 'r' and 'l'.
> Another example could be the German word for 'I' (ich), which 
> for instance native speakers of English tend to pronounce
> like 'ik'hmmm

Disagree on that. I have heard teachers from all around the world 
pronounce Maharishis mantras, differently, with their own dialect. 
Yet they work.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" 
 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > >  It's not his mantra. It's his method of using the mantra.
> > > 
> > > "In this meditation we do not try.  We do not try to think the 
mantra 
> > > clearly.  Mental repetition is not a clear pronunciation it is 
a 
> > faint 
> > > idea"
> > > 
> > > lurk
> > > >
> > >
> > 
> > Whoa! I think I've heard the "faint idea" -idea only in connection
> > with TM-siddhis
> >
> 
> Haven't been checked lately?
>

Well, uh, some 25 years ago... And my mantra definately seems
to work better if I pronounce the last "letter" rather clearly,
as it was emphasized during my initiation by Mr J. H. 
He said something like "the last sound resembles ",
after he noticed, I believe, that I repeated that part of my mantra
to him somewhat "sloppily".
So, there seems to be some problems with the mantras when the 
sounds in them don't appear in a language at all, or in a particular
phonotactic position, for instance at the end of a word.
An example, sort of, might be the Japanese and Chinese. In my 
understanding they have a hard time making any difference between the 
sounds 'r' and 'l'.
Another example could be the German word for 'I' (ich), which 
for instance native speakers of English tend to pronounce
like 'ik'hmmm






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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> >  It's not his mantra. It's his method of using the mantra.
> > 
> > "In this meditation we do not try.  We do not try to think the mantra 
> > clearly.  Mental repetition is not a clear pronunciation it is a 
> faint 
> > idea"
> > 
> > lurk
> > >
> >
> 
> Whoa! I think I've heard the "faint idea" -idea only in connection
> with TM-siddhis
>

Haven't been checked lately?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[cardemaister]

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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak"  
> wrote:
> >
>  It's not his mantra. It's his method of using the mantra.
> 
> "In this meditation we do not try.  We do not try to think the mantra 
> clearly.  Mental repetition is not a clear pronunciation it is a 
faint 
> idea"
> 
> lurk
> >
>

Whoa! I think I've heard the "faint idea" -idea only in connection
with TM-siddhis





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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[lurkernomore20002000]

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Yes, I am going through some anger issues; It was just a knee jerk
> response; my ex-wife is Italian, so some of it stems from this;

snip

We're here for ya Gimby.

lutk
> 

>





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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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 It's not his mantra. It's his method of using the mantra.

"In this meditation we do not try.  We do not try to think the mantra 
clearly.  Mental repetition is not a clear pronunciation it is a faint 
idea"

lurk
>





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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  wrote:
> >
> > on 10/17/06 3:56 AM, Robert Gimbel at babajii_99@ wrote:
> > 
> F**K You- Gina, and all your Roman mafia relatives...
> > > 
> >  Robert, I¹m surprised you would speak this way to Gina. It¹s not 
> your
> > style. What are you so upset about?
> 
> I've seen Gimby lash out like this.  I've even seen him use the f-word 
> without the asterisks.  I don't think it takes much to get him to this 
> point.
> 
> lurk
> >
>
It's not his mantra. It's his method of using the mantra.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  wrote:
> >
> > on 10/17/06 3:56 AM, Robert Gimbel at babajii_99@ wrote:
> > 
> F**K You- Gina, and all your Roman mafia relatives...
> > > 
> >  Robert, I¹m surprised you would speak this way to Gina. It¹s not 
> your
> > style. What are you so upset about?
> 
> I've seen Gimby lash out like this.  I've even seen him use the f-
word 
> without the asterisks.  I don't think it takes much to get him to 
this 
> point.

This is true; have been feeling angry and frustrated last few days..
Still need to work on that, it would seem.
R.G.
> 
> lurk
> >
>





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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> > >
> > > Rick Archer wrote:
> > > > on 10/17/06 11:44 AM, Peter at drpetersutphen@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > >   
> > > >>  
> > > >> 
> > > >> Gina Catena
> > > >> (real name)
> > > >> San Rafael, Calif.
> > > >>
> > > >> 
> > > >> F**K You- Gina, and all your Roman mafia
> > > >> 
> > >  relatives...
> > >  
> > >   Robert, I¹m surprised you would speak this way to
> > >  Gina. It¹s not your
> > >  style. What are you so upset about?
> > >  
> > > >> Rick, what is this thread about? Obviously Robert is
> > > >> pretty p.o'd about something.

Yes, I am going through some anger issues; It was just a knee jerk
response; my ex-wife is Italian, so some of it stems from this;
My divorce was nasty, and the aftermath, is still nasty.
And I remember back when the whole TM is a religion thing, went
through the courts and set the movements teaching in school back to
zero. So, what you have since then is violence and chaos in the
schools and everyone can see, how TM would have helped; but then
again, you have a country  run by assholes...
Which hopefully will be changing soon;
When Bush and his sleezy whole crew can be tried as war criminals...

> > > >> 
> > > > It¹s about Gina Catena¹s letter to local school officials, raising
> > concerns
> > > > about the introduction of TM in their high school.
> > > Marin county is also a hotbed of a lot of different Indiaphile
groups 
> > > who will probably respond "why can't we teach our meditation
there too?"
> > >
> > 
> > They can. If they provide a lot of research on its effectiveness. And
> > they offer it for free or find a scholarship sponsor.
> >
> 
> Since it's in the form of a club, they don't even need to show
research. They just have to 
> convince the parents to let their kids do it,and find the teachers
willing to teach it for free 
> with 25 30 minute followup sessions PER student over the next year
or two, also for free...
>





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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > Rick Archer wrote:
> > > on 10/17/06 11:44 AM, Peter at drpetersutphen@ wrote:
> > >
> > >   
> > >>  
> > >> 
> > >> Gina Catena
> > >> (real name)
> > >> San Rafael, Calif.
> > >>
> > >> 
> > >> F**K You- Gina, and all your Roman mafia
> > >> 
> >  relatives...
> >  
> >   Robert, I¹m surprised you would speak this way to
> >  Gina. It¹s not your
> >  style. What are you so upset about?
> >  
> > >> Rick, what is this thread about? Obviously Robert is
> > >> pretty p.o'd about something.
> > >>
> > >> 
> > > It¹s about Gina Catena¹s letter to local school officials, raising
> concerns
> > > about the introduction of TM in their high school.
> > Marin county is also a hotbed of a lot of different Indiaphile groups 
> > who will probably respond "why can't we teach our meditation there too?"
> >
> 
> They can. If they provide a lot of research on its effectiveness. And
> they offer it for free or find a scholarship sponsor.
>

Since it's in the form of a club, they don't even need to show research. They 
just have to 
convince the parents to let their kids do it,and find the teachers willing to 
teach it for free 
with 25 30 minute followup sessions PER student over the next year or two, also 
for free...




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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Rick Archer wrote:
> > on 10/17/06 11:44 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >   
> >>  
> >> 
> >> Gina Catena
> >> (real name)
> >> San Rafael, Calif.
> >>
> >> 
> >> F**K You- Gina, and all your Roman mafia
> >> 
>  relatives...
>  
>   Robert, I¹m surprised you would speak this way to
>  Gina. It¹s not your
>  style. What are you so upset about?
>  
> >> Rick, what is this thread about? Obviously Robert is
> >> pretty p.o'd about something.
> >>
> >> 
> > It¹s about Gina Catena¹s letter to local school officials, raising concerns
> > about the introduction of TM in their high school.
> Marin county is also a hotbed of a lot of different Indiaphile groups 
> who will probably respond "why can't we teach our meditation there too?"
>

And, of course,they can if this goes through. NOw, which group are you going to 
learn 
meditation from, the one that is free, and normally costs $2500 except for the 
donation 
from a rich guy, or the one that is free, and normally costs $50?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 10/17/06 3:56 AM, Robert Gimbel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
F**K You- Gina, and all your Roman mafia relatives...
> > 
>  Robert, I¹m surprised you would speak this way to Gina. It¹s not 
your
> style. What are you so upset about?

I've seen Gimby lash out like this.  I've even seen him use the f-word 
without the asterisks.  I don't think it takes much to get him to this 
point.

lurk
>





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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Rick Archer wrote:
> > on 10/17/06 11:44 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >   
> >>  
> >> 
> >> Gina Catena
> >> (real name)
> >> San Rafael, Calif.
> >>
> >> 
> >> F**K You- Gina, and all your Roman mafia
> >> 
>  relatives...
>  
>   Robert, I¹m surprised you would speak this way to
>  Gina. It¹s not your
>  style. What are you so upset about?
>  
> >> Rick, what is this thread about? Obviously Robert is
> >> pretty p.o'd about something.
> >>
> >> 
> > It¹s about Gina Catena¹s letter to local school officials, raising
concerns
> > about the introduction of TM in their high school.
> Marin county is also a hotbed of a lot of different Indiaphile groups 
> who will probably respond "why can't we teach our meditation there too?"
>

They can. If they provide a lot of research on its effectiveness. And
they offer it for free or find a scholarship sponsor.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[Bhairitu]

Rick Archer wrote:
> on 10/17/06 11:44 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>   
>>  
>> 
>> Gina Catena
>> (real name)
>> San Rafael, Calif.
>>
>> 
>> F**K You- Gina, and all your Roman mafia
>> 
 relatives...
 
  Robert, I¹m surprised you would speak this way to
 Gina. It¹s not your
 style. What are you so upset about?
 
>> Rick, what is this thread about? Obviously Robert is
>> pretty p.o'd about something.
>>
>> 
> It¹s about Gina Catena¹s letter to local school officials, raising concerns
> about the introduction of TM in their high school.
Marin county is also a hotbed of a lot of different Indiaphile groups 
who will probably respond "why can't we teach our meditation there too?"



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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Tks Offworld,
> 
> Sorry, but my claims are substantianted.  Many folks that I know 
and love personally were 
> seriously damaged.   
> Just offering a full disclosure of possibilites.. no different 
than the warning label on my 
> dinner vino.  To remain silent (in my own neighborhood) about what 
I know and lived, 
> would be the ultimate disservice.
> 
> I appreciate your opinion as well, and would not ridicule you, 
either on this world nor off.>>

Oh come on, loosen up, and ridicule someone for a change.   
I'm all yours. Go for it. One-two punch smackdown. You should try 
it. It will do you some good. Please use me as a punchbag. 

OffWorld


> 
> Gina Catena 
> (real name)
> San Rafael, Calif.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings  
wrote:
> >
> > And (please forward to the schoolboard and the Marin Newspaper). 
> > There were aliens dissected at Area 51 in the 1950's.   
> > Urgent.   
> > Please publish along with unsubstantiated, unscientific, along 
> > with arms wildly flailing. claims about the negative 
effects 
> > of TM.
> > 
> > OffWorld
> > 
> > 
> > > Regards,
> > > 
> > > gimari03
> > >
> >
>





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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Tks Offworld,
> 
> Sorry, but my claims are substantianted.  Many folks that I know 
and love personally were 
> seriously damaged.  >>> 


Yes but no-one of serious mind would listen to you without 
documented and published statistics. No-one listens to anecdotal 
evidence. If 10 people say they were damaged and 1,000 claim no 
damage but only benefits, then you have a statistically 
insignificant group -- not considered typical. You can't just go 
around saying people are seriously damaged by being Christians (even 
though they are) just because a few people want to claim it. Well, 
you can go around claiming it but no-one will listen Fact of life.

OffWorld
(false name)
Place: No-where that any Ru can find me.


> Gina Catena 
> (real name)
> San Rafael, Calif.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings  
wrote:
> >
> > And (please forward to the schoolboard and the Marin Newspaper). 
> > There were aliens dissected at Area 51 in the 1950's.   
> > Urgent.   
> > Please publish along with unsubstantiated, unscientific, along 
> > with arms wildly flailing. claims about the negative 
effects 
> > of TM.
> > 
> > OffWorld
> > 
> > 
> > > Regards,
> > > 
> > > gimari03
> > >
> >
>





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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" 
 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
> > > 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 
 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tks Offworld,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Sorry, but my claims are substantianted.  Many folks 
that 
> > I 
> > > > know 
> > > > > > and love personally were 
> > > > > > > seriously damaged.   
> > > > > > > Just offering a full disclosure of possibilites.. no 
> > > different 
> > > > than 
> > > > > > the warning label on my 
> > > > > > > dinner vino.  To remain silent (in my own 
neighborhood) 
> > about 
> > > > what 
> > > > > > I know and lived, 
> > > > > > > would be the ultimate disservice.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I appreciate your opinion as well, and would not 
ridicule 
> > > you, 
> > > > > > either on this world nor off.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Gina Catena 
> > > > > > > (real name)
> > > > > > > San Rafael, Calif.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > F**K You- Gina, and all your Roman mafia relatives...
> > > > > Experiencing some, uh, "roughness of awareness" today 
Bobby?
> > > > >
> > > > Hey, c'mon Judy, be nice...
> > > 
> > > Huh??  That was geezerfreak, not me.
> > >
> > I know. I was responding to geezerfreak's 'inner Judy', whom he 
> > curses...
> Oh puh-leeeze. She loves the attention (any attention) and you 
know it.
>
I am reaching that conclusion.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" 
 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
> > > 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 
 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tks Offworld,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Sorry, but my claims are substantianted.  Many folks 
that 
> > I 
> > > > know 
> > > > > > and love personally were 
> > > > > > > seriously damaged.   
> > > > > > > Just offering a full disclosure of possibilites.. no 
> > > different 
> > > > than 
> > > > > > the warning label on my 
> > > > > > > dinner vino.  To remain silent (in my own neighborhood) 
> > about 
> > > > what 
> > > > > > I know and lived, 
> > > > > > > would be the ultimate disservice.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I appreciate your opinion as well, and would not 
ridicule 
> > > you, 
> > > > > > either on this world nor off.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Gina Catena 
> > > > > > > (real name)
> > > > > > > San Rafael, Calif.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > F**K You- Gina, and all your Roman mafia relatives...
> > > > > Experiencing some, uh, "roughness of awareness" today Bobby?
> > > > >
> > > > Hey, c'mon Judy, be nice...
> > > 
> > > Huh??  That was geezerfreak, not me.
> > >
> > I know. I was responding to geezerfreak's 'inner Judy', whom he 
> > curses...
> Oh puh-leeeze. She loves the attention (any attention) and you know 
it.

???  Something must be in the pixels today.  Folks seem to
be freaking out right and left.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
> > 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03  
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tks Offworld,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Sorry, but my claims are substantianted.  Many folks that 
> I 
> > > know 
> > > > > and love personally were 
> > > > > > seriously damaged.   
> > > > > > Just offering a full disclosure of possibilites.. no 
> > different 
> > > than 
> > > > > the warning label on my 
> > > > > > dinner vino.  To remain silent (in my own neighborhood) 
> about 
> > > what 
> > > > > I know and lived, 
> > > > > > would be the ultimate disservice.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I appreciate your opinion as well, and would not ridicule 
> > you, 
> > > > > either on this world nor off.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Gina Catena 
> > > > > > (real name)
> > > > > > San Rafael, Calif.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > F**K You- Gina, and all your Roman mafia relatives...
> > > > Experiencing some, uh, "roughness of awareness" today Bobby?
> > > >
> > > Hey, c'mon Judy, be nice...
> > 
> > Huh??  That was geezerfreak, not me.
> >
> I know. I was responding to geezerfreak's 'inner Judy', whom he 
> curses...
Oh puh-leeeze. She loves the attention (any attention) and you know it.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
> > 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03  
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tks Offworld,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Sorry, but my claims are substantianted.  Many folks that 
> I 
> > > know 
> > > > > and love personally were 
> > > > > > seriously damaged.   
> > > > > > Just offering a full disclosure of possibilites.. no 
> > different 
> > > than 
> > > > > the warning label on my 
> > > > > > dinner vino.  To remain silent (in my own neighborhood) 
> about 
> > > what 
> > > > > I know and lived, 
> > > > > > would be the ultimate disservice.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I appreciate your opinion as well, and would not ridicule 
> > you, 
> > > > > either on this world nor off.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Gina Catena 
> > > > > > (real name)
> > > > > > San Rafael, Calif.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > F**K You- Gina, and all your Roman mafia relatives...
> > > > Experiencing some, uh, "roughness of awareness" today Bobby?
> > > >
> > > Hey, c'mon Judy, be nice...
> > 
> > Huh??  That was geezerfreak, not me.
> >
> I know. I was responding to geezerfreak's 'inner Judy', whom he 
> curses...

Sorry my latest exchange with you has upset you so much.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
> 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03  
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Tks Offworld,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Sorry, but my claims are substantianted.  Many folks that 
I 
> > know 
> > > > and love personally were 
> > > > > seriously damaged.   
> > > > > Just offering a full disclosure of possibilites.. no 
> different 
> > than 
> > > > the warning label on my 
> > > > > dinner vino.  To remain silent (in my own neighborhood) 
about 
> > what 
> > > > I know and lived, 
> > > > > would be the ultimate disservice.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I appreciate your opinion as well, and would not ridicule 
> you, 
> > > > either on this world nor off.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Gina Catena 
> > > > > (real name)
> > > > > San Rafael, Calif.
> > > > > 
> > > > F**K You- Gina, and all your Roman mafia relatives...
> > > Experiencing some, uh, "roughness of awareness" today Bobby?
> > >
> > Hey, c'mon Judy, be nice...
> 
> Huh??  That was geezerfreak, not me.
>
I know. I was responding to geezerfreak's 'inner Judy', whom he 
curses...




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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 

> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03  
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Tks Offworld,
> > > > 
> > > > Sorry, but my claims are substantianted.  Many folks that I 
> know 
> > > and love personally were 
> > > > seriously damaged.   
> > > > Just offering a full disclosure of possibilites.. no 
different 
> than 
> > > the warning label on my 
> > > > dinner vino.  To remain silent (in my own neighborhood) about 
> what 
> > > I know and lived, 
> > > > would be the ultimate disservice.
> > > > 
> > > > I appreciate your opinion as well, and would not ridicule 
you, 
> > > either on this world nor off.
> > > > 
> > > > Gina Catena 
> > > > (real name)
> > > > San Rafael, Calif.
> > > > 
> > > F**K You- Gina, and all your Roman mafia relatives...
> > Experiencing some, uh, "roughness of awareness" today Bobby?
> >
> Hey, c'mon Judy, be nice...

Huh??  That was geezerfreak, not me.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03  wrote:
> > >
> > > Tks Offworld,
> > > 
> > > Sorry, but my claims are substantianted.  Many folks that I 
know 
> > and love personally were 
> > > seriously damaged.   
> > > Just offering a full disclosure of possibilites.. no different 
than 
> > the warning label on my 
> > > dinner vino.  To remain silent (in my own neighborhood) about 
what 
> > I know and lived, 
> > > would be the ultimate disservice.
> > > 
> > > I appreciate your opinion as well, and would not ridicule you, 
> > either on this world nor off.
> > > 
> > > Gina Catena 
> > > (real name)
> > > San Rafael, Calif.
> > > 
> > F**K You- Gina, and all your Roman mafia relatives...
> Experiencing some, uh, "roughness of awareness" today Bobby?
>
Hey, c'mon Judy, be nice...




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[Rick Archer]

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife





on 10/17/06 11:44 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
> >> > Gina Catena 
> >> > (real name)
> >> > San Rafael, Calif.
> >> > 
> > F**K You- Gina, and all your Roman mafia
> relatives...
> > 
>  Robert, I’m surprised you would speak this way to
> Gina. It’s not your
> style. What are you so upset about?

Rick, what is this thread about? Obviously Robert is
pretty p.o'd about something.

It’s about Gina Catena’s letter to local school officials, raising concerns about the introduction of TM in their high school.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03  wrote:
> >
> > Tks Offworld,
> > 
> > Sorry, but my claims are substantianted.  Many folks that I know 
> and love personally were 
> > seriously damaged.   
> > Just offering a full disclosure of possibilites.. no different than 
> the warning label on my 
> > dinner vino.  To remain silent (in my own neighborhood) about what 
> I know and lived, 
> > would be the ultimate disservice.
> > 
> > I appreciate your opinion as well, and would not ridicule you, 
> either on this world nor off.
> > 
> > Gina Catena 
> > (real name)
> > San Rafael, Calif.
> > 
> F**K You- Gina, and all your Roman mafia relatives...
Experiencing some, uh, "roughness of awareness" today Bobby?





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[Peter]

--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> on 10/17/06 3:56 AM, Robert Gimbel at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> 
> > , gimari03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Tks Offworld,
> >> > 
> >> > Sorry, but my claims are substantianted.  Many
> folks that I know
> > and love personally were
> >> > seriously damaged.
> >> > Just offering a full disclosure of
> possibilites.. no different than
> > the warning label on my
> >> > dinner vino.  To remain silent (in my own
> neighborhood) about what
> > I know and lived,
> >> > would be the ultimate disservice.
> >> > 
> >> > I appreciate your opinion as well, and would
> not ridicule you,
> > either on this world nor off.
> >> > 
> >> > Gina Catena 
> >> > (real name)
> >> > San Rafael, Calif.
> >> > 
> > F**K You- Gina, and all your Roman mafia
> relatives...
> > 
>  Robert, I¹m surprised you would speak this way to
> Gina. It¹s not your
> style. What are you so upset about?

Rick, what is this thread about? Obviously Robert is
pretty p.o'd about something.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[Rick Archer]

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife





on 10/17/06 3:56 AM, Robert Gimbel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  , gimari03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Tks Offworld,
> 
> Sorry, but my claims are substantianted.  Many folks that I know 
and love personally were 
> seriously damaged.   
> Just offering a full disclosure of possibilites.. no different than 
the warning label on my 
> dinner vino.  To remain silent (in my own neighborhood) about what 
I know and lived, 
> would be the ultimate disservice.
> 
> I appreciate your opinion as well, and would not ridicule you, 
either on this world nor off.
> 
> Gina Catena 
> (real name)
> San Rafael, Calif.
> 
F**K You- Gina, and all your Roman mafia relatives...

 Robert, I’m surprised you would speak this way to Gina. It’s not your style. What are you so upset about?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[Robert Gimbel]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Tks Offworld,
> 
> Sorry, but my claims are substantianted.  Many folks that I know 
and love personally were 
> seriously damaged.   
> Just offering a full disclosure of possibilites.. no different than 
the warning label on my 
> dinner vino.  To remain silent (in my own neighborhood) about what 
I know and lived, 
> would be the ultimate disservice.
> 
> I appreciate your opinion as well, and would not ridicule you, 
either on this world nor off.
> 
> Gina Catena 
> (real name)
> San Rafael, Calif.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings  
wrote:
> >
> > And (please forward to the schoolboard and the Marin Newspaper). 
> > There were aliens dissected at Area 51 in the 1950's.   
> > Urgent.   
> > Please publish along with unsubstantiated, unscientific, along 
> > with arms wildly flailing. claims about the negative 
effects 
> > of TM.
> > 
> > OffWorld
> > 
> > 
> > > Regards,
> > > 
> > > gimari03
> > >
> >
>





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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[Robert Gimbel]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Tks Offworld,
> 
> Sorry, but my claims are substantianted.  Many folks that I know 
and love personally were 
> seriously damaged.   
> Just offering a full disclosure of possibilites.. no different than 
the warning label on my 
> dinner vino.  To remain silent (in my own neighborhood) about what 
I know and lived, 
> would be the ultimate disservice.
> 
> I appreciate your opinion as well, and would not ridicule you, 
either on this world nor off.
> 
> Gina Catena 
> (real name)
> San Rafael, Calif.
> 
F**K You- Gina, and all your Roman mafia relatives...




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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[gimari03]

Tks Offworld,

Sorry, but my claims are substantianted.  Many folks that I know and love 
personally were 
seriously damaged.   
Just offering a full disclosure of possibilites.. no different than the warning 
label on my 
dinner vino.  To remain silent (in my own neighborhood) about what I know and 
lived, 
would be the ultimate disservice.

I appreciate your opinion as well, and would not ridicule you, either on this 
world nor off.

Gina Catena 
(real name)
San Rafael, Calif.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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>
> And (please forward to the schoolboard and the Marin Newspaper). 
> There were aliens dissected at Area 51 in the 1950's.   
> Urgent.   
> Please publish along with unsubstantiated, unscientific, along 
> with arms wildly flailing. claims about the negative effects 
> of TM.
> 
> OffWorld
> 
> 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > gimari03
> >
>





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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

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> 
> Hello,
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>   File: /TM_letter_to_school_board 
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>   Description : Sent to San Rafael City School Board & Marin 
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And (please forward to the schoolboard and the Marin Newspaper). 
There were aliens dissected at Area 51 in the 1950's.   
Urgent.   
Please publish along with unsubstantiated, unscientific, along 
with arms wildly flailing. claims about the negative effects 
of TM.

OffWorld


> Regards,
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

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> You can access this file at the URL:
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I'm guessing this file was created on a Mac (no file extension).
Windows users can read it by opening it with Word or Wordpad.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[Rory Goff]

HA! Good one, Akasha. I especially liked the "including for the 
first time, the genitals." Quite true! Long live Me! :-)



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> Be sure to send copies to Maharishi, the Rajas, Bevan and John, as 
I
> am sure they will thrill to the exuberance of having these 27 
states
> of consciousness unfolded is such exquistie detail -- proof that 
the
> Invincible America program is bringing Heaven on Eath, where each
> student becomes as if a vedic seer, unfolding the most deep and
> precious knowledge of life, liberty and 24/7 Bliss for themselves 
and
> all mankind, while making each nation invincible, and holy, worthy 
for
> the angels and gods (but we are not a religion) walk on earth. i
> forsee Maharishi proclaiming this Roryeshvara Day, to be celebrated
> for all eternity, as the Day Heaven on Earth becaome a reality, 
and a
> celebration of Supreme knowledge unfolding fom students  
demonstrating
>  perfect synchrony with each particle of the human nervous system -
-
> including for the first time, the genitals, and totally vibrant 
and in
> accord of MMY's own yet to be revealed exposition of these most
> profound states of estatic human and devic bliss -- with Mahrishi's
> only disappointment being that Rory did not share this knowledge 
with
> the entire Dome, and to Him, personally, on the mic at the Dome so 
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> Guru and the Student and students could thrill to each precious 
wave
> of knowledge together, thrilling each particle and all the 
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> whole and partial -- through out the universe.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[new . morning]

Be sure to send copies to Maharishi, the Rajas, Bevan and John, as I
am sure they will thrill to the exuberance of having these 27 states
of consciousness unfolded is such exquistie detail -- proof that the
Invincible America program is bringing Heaven on Eath, where each
student becomes as if a vedic seer, unfolding the most deep and
precious knowledge of life, liberty and 24/7 Bliss for themselves and
all mankind, while making each nation invincible, and holy, worthy for
the angels and gods (but we are not a religion) walk on earth. i
forsee Maharishi proclaiming this Roryeshvara Day, to be celebrated
for all eternity, as the Day Heaven on Earth becaome a reality, and a
celebration of Supreme knowledge unfolding fom students  demonstrating
 perfect synchrony with each particle of the human nervous system --
including for the first time, the genitals, and totally vibrant and in
accord of MMY's own yet to be revealed exposition of these most
profound states of estatic human and devic bliss -- with Mahrishi's
only disappointment being that Rory did not share this knowledge with
the entire Dome, and to Him, personally, on the mic at the Dome so the
Guru and the Student and students could thrill to each precious wave
of knowledge together, thrilling each particle and all the Bramhans --
whole and partial -- through out the universe.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

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Also available here: 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

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> on 6/15/06 3:25 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > Adding his name to the puja would be an extreme
> > step, but mark my words you'll see a "movement
> > within the movement" to do so, even if it doesn't
> > succeed. And the result will be bitter infighting
> > between one group of people who are convinced that
> > they are doing "what Maharishi really wanted" and
> > another group that is equally convinced that they
> > are doing "what Maharishi really wanted."
> 
> Maybe the argument will go something like, ³He didn¹t want his name in the
> puja while he was alive, because he was deferential to Guru Dev, but now
> that he has passed, it is entirely appropriate.² After all, Hagelin and
> others have already been praising him as ³The greatest saint ever  to walk
> the earth.²
>

We already see how he feels about the Tradition. He's off to the side in the 
painting he 
commissioned, as I said. I find it difficult to believe that he would spend so 
much time (I 
heard months) working with the artist to convey a certain message, and then 
change his 
mind. That's not to say that someone might not decide that they know what he 
"really" 
meant, but it seems more than obvious that he doesn't consider himself to be 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[Rick Archer]

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife





on 6/15/06 3:25 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Adding his name to the puja would be an extreme
step, but mark my words you'll see a "movement 
within the movement" to do so, even if it doesn't
succeed. And the result will be bitter infighting
between one group of people who are convinced that
they are doing "what Maharishi really wanted" and
another group that is equally convinced that they
are doing "what Maharishi really wanted."

Maybe the argument will go something like, “He didn’t want his name in the puja while he was alive, because he was deferential to Guru Dev, but now that he has passed, it is entirely appropriate.” After all, Hagelin and others have already been praising him as “The greatest saint ever  to walk the earth.”

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[Rick Archer]

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife





on 6/15/06 2:06 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'm not really part of or terribly interested in this
conversation, but a funny thought just struck me.
How long do you think it will take after Maharishi
dies for the True Believers to add his name to the 
puja?  I'd bet less than five years.

At Estes Park, someone asked Jerry about adding MMY’s name to the puja and he said, “No yet.”

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[Sal Sunshine]

Thanks.
Sal


On Jun 17, 2006, at 10:09 AM, Rick Archer wrote:

on 6/17/06 9:33 AM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Kirk, 
 I'm not sure why you feel you don't belong here, but if it's because of some of the self-important claptrap that gets posted on a regular basis, I would try to ignore it and just read the posts you find enjoyable.  Letting yourself be pushed out does no good to you or anyone else.  You belong here as much as anyone. 

Sal 

I forwarded this to him because he already unsubscribed.

 On Jun 17, 2006, at 7:47 AM, Kirk wrote: 

---I have no right to be here at FFLife any longer. I was looking for a way to send some time, but I come here and then get riled up. It's not a healthy thing. So I will again take my leave. May all be well. May Maharishi's will be served. May the world become a better place there by. See you all again next time. Peace. Out. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[Rick Archer]

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife





on 6/17/06 9:33 AM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Kirk, 
I'm not sure why you feel you don't belong here, but if it's because of some of the self-important claptrap that gets posted on a regular basis, I would try to ignore it and just read the posts you find enjoyable.  Letting yourself be pushed out does no good to you or anyone else.  You belong here as much as anyone. 

Sal 
 
I forwarded this to him because he already unsubscribed.

On Jun 17, 2006, at 7:47 AM, Kirk wrote: 

---I have no right to be here at FFLife any longer. I was looking for a way to send some time, but I come here and then get riled up. It's not a healthy thing. So I will again take my leave. May all be well. May Maharishi's will be served. May the world become a better place there by. See you all again next time. Peace. Out. 





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[Sal Sunshine]

Kirk,
I'm not sure why you feel you don't belong here, but if it's because of some of the self-important claptrap that gets posted on a regular basis, I would try to ignore it and just read the posts you find enjoyable.  Letting yourself be pushed out does no good to you or anyone else.  You belong here as much as anyone.

Sal


On Jun 17, 2006, at 7:47 AM, Kirk wrote:

---I have no right to be here at FFLife any longer. I was looking for a way to send some time, but I come here and then get riled up. It's not a healthy thing. So I will again take my leave. May all be well. May Maharishi's will be served. May the world become a better place there by. See you all again next time. Peace. Out.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[Kirk]

> I 
know, how can I know these things? Me, merely a common > person of no 
sidhis and less realization? I know them > because I don't cocme here to 
say these things. They just > keep coming up from me over and over 
spontaneously...As do other concepts...  :-)---I have no right to be here at FFLife any 
longer. I was looking for a way to send some time, but I come here and then get 
riled up. It's not a healthy thing. So I will again take my leave. May all be 
well. May Maharishi's will be served. May the world become a better place there 
by. See you all again next time. Peace. 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[Kirk]

Actually my late lama was a satguru. 
HHDL is a satguru, and others. But you're right, and I deleted my posts so as 
not to look crazy or start a new anti-kirk flame war. So peace out.
 
- Original Message - 
From: TurquoiseB 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 5:52 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to 
FairfieldLife
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
"Kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> Satgurus will decrease 
mental disturbances and conceptuality, > not increase them. Satgurus will 
enhance personal peacefulness, > not thrust one into life/death 
situations. Might I ask how many Satgurus you have worked with 
personally? If the answer is None, then I mightsuggest that the above is 
one of those 'reifiedconcepts' you might discard during the upcoming 
retreat. :-)> I know, how can I know these things? Me, merely a 
common > person of no sidhis and less realization? I know them > 
because I don't cocme here to say these things. They just > keep coming 
up from me over and over spontaneously...As do other concepts...  
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Satgurus will decrease mental disturbances and conceptuality, 
> not increase them. Satgurus will enhance personal peacefulness, 
> not thrust one into life/death situations. 

Might I ask how many Satgurus you have worked with 
personally? If the answer is None, then I might
suggest that the above is one of those 'reified
concepts' you might discard during the upcoming 
retreat. :-)

> I know, how can I know these things? Me, merely a common 
> person of no sidhis and less realization? I know them 
> because I don't cocme here to say these things. They just 
> keep coming up from me over and over spontaneously...

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[Kirk]

One should not listen to me as 
if I know anything for sure. Only your heart will tell you. I am not sure 
of anything. Maharishi is an enigma to me. I hope what he says is truth. I have 
yet to really see it. But that doesn't mean that what he says is 
impossible.  I hope his visions pan out and save humanity from the threat 
of extermination of war and treasonous and poisonous actions. If he has headed 
off humanities destruction then by any means that is acceptable. he is the 
'great Seer' so he says, So be it!
 
I had good experiences in the 
Movement. Though some not so good experiences, such as not learning how to 
manifest my personal potential. And being attached to my short life, that simply 
wasn't enough for me. To worship Brahmins exclusively. To serve with blind 
faith. It wasn't my nature. 
 
Do what thou wilt. Love under will. 
Kudos to Crowley for that one. My will was elsewhere, with the Vajrayana. I have 
had nothing but support from my Tibetan teachers. And their sanghas. 

 
I had no support from the Movement 
insofar as the longevity of my life and personal practice. TM alone was not 
enough for me. 
 
So for me Maharishi is not the 
answer. But maybe for others, he is. It's wrong for me to say what is right and 
wrong for all people. I sort of feel that's the case for others too. And so my 
reticence to simply believe the words of a Guru, when it comes to all others. 

 
Maheshvara is the face of Shiva that 
obscures the truth.  
Mahesh may be a great protector of 
life, to me, but he is not the final say on matters spiritual. To me. 

 
May it benefit!
 
 
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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 3:18 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to 
FairfieldLife

 
Interesting points. However, everyone of us was introduced to the Holy 
Tradition by Maharishi. Trying to ignore that step, and fool him/herself to 
think that they are now dealing directly with for example Guru Dev, which I 
know several people claim to do and is exactly what Maharishi predicted i 
1983, then they are just performing some very human, though disapointing 
activity; making mistakes.
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[Kirk]

 
Interesting points. However, everyone of us was introduced to the Holy 
Tradition by Maharishi. Trying to ignore that step, and fool him/herself to 
think that they are now dealing directly with for example Guru Dev, which I 
know several people claim to do and is exactly what Maharishi predicted i 
1983, then they are just performing some very human, though disapointing 
activity; making mistakes.Well, actually, I credit my kundalini activating TM mantra to 
my TM teacher who was powerful and spiritually mature. Though he was never known 
by anyone as anything special, and I refuse to give his name to protect his 
privacy, nonetheless, he used to speak to me at length about his experiences, 
since I was so into the occult at the time, when I was fourteen. And it was 
clear that the shakti was directly from him. 
 
The fact that many learn TM and do 
not experience anything of benefit from it proves that the teacher is directly 
important. All this Holy Tradition stuff during puja is another way of the 
teacher to transcend boundaries and create causes and conditions for their 
student to also transcend. Sure TM came from Maharishi. But that was it. The 
rest was just the lunatic ravings of a spiritual Hitler, ostensibly a 
personality no different from President Bush, except for his spiritual emphasis. 

 
I never felt a connection to 
Maharishi, and when I saw him during Taste of Utopia, it left no impression 
upon me. So sorry. I mean, I appreciate TM and still practice it, but it's not 
the only positive spiritual practice on Earth, and the lack of alternate 
spiritual experiences of people sitting at his feet for 40 years emphatically 
does not make them experts on who is a Satguru or not. 
 
Ssatgurus will decrease mental 
disturbances and conceptuality, not increase them. Satgurus will enhance 
personal peacefulness, not thrust one into life/death situations. And again, the 
concept of recertifying people who were devoted is not known and has never been 
known on this Earth.  
 
One does not demand repentance from 
those who ae ones constituents, of already profoundly good people, and chastise 
them as if they are mere cattle.  This is not the action of someone of 
realization.  
 
I know, how can I know these things? 
Me, merely a common person of no sidhis and less realization? I know them 
because I don't cocme here to say these things. They just keep coming up from me 
over and over spontaneously, and I learn about them as I write. I have no 
personal stake in the Movement any longer, and feel no real need to even discuss 
it, and yet, here I am discussing it, feeling the need to say these things. And 
over and over I say them. 
 
My opinions about Maharishi's 
acomplishments change, up and down, up and down. That's how I know that 
Maharishi acts merely within samsara. He is not taking people beyond it.  
One can transcend a million times, but if the path to liberation is not made 
clear then nobody will ever reach it. 
 
Maharishi has not liberated one 
person. Nobody in TM has even a sense of jnana. Round and round they go, where 
are they headed? Nobody knows!  Strip malls, tallest buildings, pundit 
nations, tv repair shops, sales, sales, sales This is not the path to 
liberation. 
 
When Maharishi gives direct pointing 
out of ones nature so that there is no longer the slightest doubt, then I'll 
credit him with beneficience and not harmfulness. Until then. Hail Raam, oh 
Brother, can you spare a Mudra?
 
Actually, I am always sort of 
baffled by Maharishi. He's really 'out there' and my perpetual uncertainty about 
him and confusion about his motives is why I return again and again to distrust 
of him, in spite of TM. 
 
So I simply cannot credit him 
wholeheartedly with all the mystical stuff that others do. I must look at him as 
a merely ordinary person who like an ordinary person, is confused, and caught in 
the round and round of samsara, as ascribe his shakti to another source, either 
the purported Holy Tradition, or else to Sri Devi Herself.  
 
Because the world has not changed 
for the better. To think it has is to be blinkered like a mule. I don't think 
TMers have not helped however, but the correspondences of the TM research are 
specious, and merely pseudoscience. The premise that SCI is some science is 
preposterous. And all this says to me that the element of conceptuality of rank 
dualism is the reality of the TM mindset, not advaita.  And therefore the 
lineage holder - Maharishi - is a rank dualist. 
 
Just because of all the confusion of 
those who serve him. If the master is unclear then he is not a master at all. 
Nevermind what sorts of illusions of grandeur have developed around him. That's 
all just a more spacious or glorious cage. All these TM followers and not one 
with nondual jnana.  each one moving from hut to castle yes maybe, but 
still in just a bugger cage. No freedom from craving and no liberation from ones 
basic tendencies - vrittis.  B

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[nablus108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
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> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: nablus108 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 2:45 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
> 
> 
> Only learning from a rectified will continue the lineage. Teaching 
> outside of Maharishis blessing will obviously result in the 
> withdrawing of the same.
> 
> Maharishi can withdraw blessings obviously, but he cannot undo 
Kundalini Shakti, nor can he undo anything which has been done in 
the name of the Holy Tradition because previous teachers taught from 
the lineage of the whole tradition not just from Maharishi. If such 
wasn't his wish then he would have just had a picture of himself on 
people's altars. Moreover, since his teachings are directly derived 
from the Shakta lineage of Sri Vidya and specifically from the 
Lakshmi Tantra, therefore even he has to answer to that higher 
intelligence. She may, or may not side with him at this late date. 

Interesting points. However, everyone of us was introduced to the 
Holy Tradition by Maharishi. Trying to ignore that step, and fool 
him/herself to think that they are now dealing directly with for 
example Guru Dev, which I know several people claim to do and is 
exactly what Maharishi predicted i 1983, then they are just 
performing some very human, though disapointing activity; making 
mistakes.








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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
>  wrote:
> >
> > on 6/14/06 4:14 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > 
> > > I think it's clear that by raising the price of instruction, MMY
> > > wants the rate of initiations to be low (to avoid creating "fear 
> and
> > > havoc" on an ignorant planet:
> > > http://geocities.com/bbrigante/retards.html#light ).
> > > 
> > > TM teachers who go off on their own, lacking the resources of the
> > > TMO, could not possibly teach enough people to derail this 
> strategy
> > > of slow growth of consciousness on the earth, so MMY said that he
> > > did not mind if TM teachers went off on their own, teaching TM 
> under
> > > some other name. The TMO is not suing TM teachers who are off on
> > > their own, as long as they do not infringe on the TM trademark
> > > (several TM teachers are now teaching what they are calling
> > > the "Transcendental Stress Management Program").
> > > 
> 
> 
> > I¹m pretty sure that more people are being taught TM these days by
> > independent teachers than by official ones.
> >
> 
> 
> ***
> 
> That's unlikely, but even if true, we're still not talking about a 
> large number of initiations.
>

The official focus of the TMO, according to Denise, is on instituional 
initiations: in schools 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[Vaj]

On Jun 15, 2006, at 5:28 PM, bob_brigante wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  on 6/14/06 4:14 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I think it's clear that by raising the price of instruction, MMY wants the rate of initiations to be low (to avoid creating "fear  and havoc" on an ignorant planet: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/retards.html#light ).  TM teachers who go off on their own, lacking the resources of the TMO, could not possibly teach enough people to derail this  strategy of slow growth of consciousness on the earth, so MMY said that he did not mind if TM teachers went off on their own, teaching TM  under some other name. The TMO is not suing TM teachers who are off on their own, as long as they do not infringe on the TM trademark (several TM teachers are now teaching what they are calling the "Transcendental Stress Management Program").I¹m pretty sure that more people are being taught TM these days by independent teachers than by official ones.***  That's unlikely, but even if true, we're still not talking about a  large number of initiations. Unless of course you consider SSRS, a TM lineage holder, *independent*, then independent TM line inits. are way, way up.Anyone know the stats on how many SSRS and his teachers are initiating? It's probably staggering, because I get the impression he is initiating a lot in India in addition to the rest of the world.Is it possible *SSRS is who M. was referring to in his press conference comments?* Maybe it was a loving nod to one of his dearest students, SSRS?
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***That's unlikely, but 
even if true, we're still not talking about a large number of 
initiations.---At some point 
initiations will be considered less important than 
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[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 6/14/06 4:14 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > I think it's clear that by raising the price of instruction, MMY
> > wants the rate of initiations to be low (to avoid creating "fear 
and
> > havoc" on an ignorant planet:
> > http://geocities.com/bbrigante/retards.html#light ).
> > 
> > TM teachers who go off on their own, lacking the resources of the
> > TMO, could not possibly teach enough people to derail this 
strategy
> > of slow growth of consciousness on the earth, so MMY said that he
> > did not mind if TM teachers went off on their own, teaching TM 
under
> > some other name. The TMO is not suing TM teachers who are off on
> > their own, as long as they do not infringe on the TM trademark
> > (several TM teachers are now teaching what they are calling
> > the "Transcendental Stress Management Program").
> > 


> I¹m pretty sure that more people are being taught TM these days by
> independent teachers than by official ones.
>


***

That's unlikely, but even if true, we're still not talking about a 
large number of initiations.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm not really part of or terribly interested in this
> > > > conversation, but a funny thought just struck me.
> > > > How long do you think it will take after Maharishi
> > > > dies for the True Believers to add his name to the 
> > > > puja?  I'd bet less than five years.
> > > 
> > > As long as the TMO survives as MMY wants it tok, MMY's 
> > > name will NEVER be part of the puja. He's had his official 
> > > portrait added to the tradition of masters as a tiny figure 
> > > in white standing respectfully to the side, well away from 
> > > the river that flows through them.
> > 
> > Your point is slightly irrelevant. After he dies, the 
> > TM movement will survive as the people who run it want
> > it to survive, not as Maharishi wants it. If they want
> > to "reinterpret" his wishes "creatively," they will
> > certainly do so. Just look at the history of *any* 
> > spiritual movement after its teacher died.
> > 
> > I'd still bet on seeing a pretty determined program
> > of "Maharishi glorification." The movement will have
> > lost not only its figurehead, but also the *only* 
> > person who could get press any time he wanted it.
> > The public will tend to ignore the TM movement as
> > passe (even more than they do now). So my bet is 
> > that people will start coming up with "miracle stories"
> > and "healing stories" designed to portray Maharishi as
> > something Really Special. 
> > 
> > This is really NOT a rap denigrating either TM or the
> > TMO or Maharishi. It's just my guess about what we
> > might see happen after Maharishi's death, based on what
> > has happened in hundreds of spiritual traditions after
> > their teachers' deaths.
> 
> I don't understand sparaig's description of the new holy tradition
> picture -- MMY is the same size as Guru Dev, both are larger than all
> the others, and MMY is standing right next to the river, just like all
> the others, right at guru dev's feet.  It is clearly a visual
> depiction of MMY being next in line in the tradition.  The only
> distinctive feature is that MMY is standing, not sitting, which to me
> goes to his still being alive.
> 


http://streaming.mou.org/MOU/Sep/wnews_07sep2005prt2_300.wmv


He's standing, not sitting. He's in white, not saffron. He's on the other side 
of Gurudev 
from the river, and since he and Gurudev are in the foreground, of course 
they're both 
larger than someone in the distance.  
Perspective and all that...

He's also holding the offering of leis for Gurudev --no-one else is presenting 
an offering 
and Gurudev's head is higher than MMY's even though MMY is standing and Gurudev 
is 
sitting.


> Last year when MMY inaugerated sat yuga, either bevan or hagelin
> described MMY as the "greatest sage to have ever lived on earth",
> which seems to me to back up T's point.
>

Typical rhetoric by Bevan or maybe John, but both know how insistent MMY is 
that the 
puja remain exactly as is.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[Kirk]

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife





He has 
always flown into rages, sometimes for days on end. Often it has been against 
the Western governments, for their war-mongering, etc. Sometimes against the 
medical establishment. Sometimes, but usually for not as long, against an 
individual. In Hertenstein, ‘74, there was a press secretary named John whom MMY 
used to yell at every night. The guy had amazing composure. He just stood there 
and took it night after night without batting an eye. I think the rage against 
the recerts has to do with blaming someone other than himself for the Movement’s 
failure. He did the same thing a few years back on a phone call to a group of 
Governors in California. Reaming them for having wasted their lives by getting 
jobs and raising families instead of working for the Movement. 

 
All this shows a rankly dualistic 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[Rick Archer]

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on 6/14/06 4:14 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I think it's clear that by raising the price of instruction, MMY 
wants the rate of initiations to be low (to avoid creating "fear and 
havoc" on an ignorant planet: 
http://geocities.com/bbrigante/retards.html#light ). 

TM teachers who go off on their own, lacking the resources of the 
TMO, could not possibly teach enough people to derail this strategy 
of slow growth of consciousness on the earth, so MMY said that he 
did not mind if TM teachers went off on their own, teaching TM under 
some other name. The TMO is not suing TM teachers who are off on 
their own, as long as they do not infringe on the TM trademark 
(several TM teachers are now teaching what they are calling 
the "Transcendental Stress Management Program").

I’m pretty sure that more people are being taught TM these days by independent teachers than by official ones.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[Rick Archer]

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on 6/14/06 2:11 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Jun 14, 2006, at 3:04 PM, Rick Archer wrote:

on 6/14/06 1:33 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Does it make sense to go against the wishes of the person who gave you the lineage you're supposedly teaching in--and then turn around and invoke that lineage as part of the initiation process? Or is it yours to use after you got it?

Then there’s the question of what MMY’s wishes really are, particularly in light of the quote which started this thread. 


It is interesting and has been mentioned numerous times before (actually I think it was Bob Brigante who first pointed it out some time ago).

Of course there are also the reports of people at the recertification course who paid all that money and got reamed out by M. for hours via satellite, so he can't be too happy with what was happening. I'm not clear however on just what it was he was so upset about.
 
He has always flown into rages, sometimes for days on end. Often it has been against the Western governments, for their war-mongering, etc. Sometimes against the medical establishment. Sometimes, but usually for not as long, against an individual. In Hertenstein, ‘74, there was a press secretary named John whom MMY used to yell at every night. The guy had amazing composure. He just stood there and took it night after night without batting an eye. I think the rage against the recerts has to do with blaming someone other than himself for the Movement’s failure. He did the same thing a few years back on a phone call to a group of Governors in California. Reaming them for having wasted their lives by getting jobs and raising families instead of working for the Movement.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[markmeredith2002]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm not really part of or terribly interested in this
> > > conversation, but a funny thought just struck me.
> > > How long do you think it will take after Maharishi
> > > dies for the True Believers to add his name to the 
> > > puja?  I'd bet less than five years.
> > 
> > As long as the TMO survives as MMY wants it tok, MMY's 
> > name will NEVER be part of the puja. He's had his official 
> > portrait added to the tradition of masters as a tiny figure 
> > in white standing respectfully to the side, well away from 
> > the river that flows through them.
> 
> Your point is slightly irrelevant. After he dies, the 
> TM movement will survive as the people who run it want
> it to survive, not as Maharishi wants it. If they want
> to "reinterpret" his wishes "creatively," they will
> certainly do so. Just look at the history of *any* 
> spiritual movement after its teacher died.
> 
> I'd still bet on seeing a pretty determined program
> of "Maharishi glorification." The movement will have
> lost not only its figurehead, but also the *only* 
> person who could get press any time he wanted it.
> The public will tend to ignore the TM movement as
> passe (even more than they do now). So my bet is 
> that people will start coming up with "miracle stories"
> and "healing stories" designed to portray Maharishi as
> something Really Special. 
> 
> This is really NOT a rap denigrating either TM or the
> TMO or Maharishi. It's just my guess about what we
> might see happen after Maharishi's death, based on what
> has happened in hundreds of spiritual traditions after
> their teachers' deaths.

I don't understand sparaig's description of the new holy tradition
picture -- MMY is the same size as Guru Dev, both are larger than all
the others, and MMY is standing right next to the river, just like all
the others, right at guru dev's feet.  It is clearly a visual
depiction of MMY being next in line in the tradition.  The only
distinctive feature is that MMY is standing, not sitting, which to me
goes to his still being alive.

Last year when MMY inaugerated sat yuga, either bevan or hagelin
described MMY as the "greatest sage to have ever lived on earth",
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[Kirk]

I'm not really part of or terribly interested in 
thisconversation, but a funny thought just struck me.How long do you 
think it will take after Maharishidies for the True Believers to add his 
name to the puja?  I'd bet less than five 
years.-Oh the 
whole - born from a bird in the Swiss Alps of the Sun, from a mantra uttered by 
Vishwamitra - more human than human thin will no doubt occur.  Should TMO 
last out another 20 years people will do TM to prepare for war against the 
infidel. MMY has culled the nonfanatical people from his cult, so only the rank 
dualists are left. May MMY never teach Vedic war 
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[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > I've no doubt that there will be a move to deify or whatever 
> > MMY (some already deify him), but I was responding mostly to 
> > your "5 years" lmit. I don't think that there will be any 
> > move towards this from within the TMO for many, MANY years. 
> 
> Case in point: one of the "bullet points" on my "job
> description" as State Coordinator was going around to
> different TM centers and trying to convince the TM
> teachers who had placed a photo of Maharishi on their
> pujz tables during the initiation process that it 
> probably wasn't a good idea. We'd tell them what we
> had been told to tell them and then leave town, and
> hear through the grapevine that the day after we left
> town the photos of Maharishi would be right back on 
> the puja tables.
> 
> Fanatics are always convinced that *their* fanaticism
> is the "right" fanaticism. It doesn't even matter if
> the person they are fanatical about sits them down
> and yells in their faces about their behavior and
> how inappropriate it is, they will cling to their view
> of what is correct and say things like, "Maharishi
> is only yelling at me in public because he has to
> set an example for all the other teachers, the 
> 'lesser' teachers who are not as clued in as I am.
> If we were to talk about this subject in private,
> he'd tell me that I was correct all along."
> 
> I've seen this so many times, both in the TMO and
> in other spiritual trips. It's just part of the
> spiritual process as far as I can tell. The power
> of self importance is as awesome of the power of
> denial.
>

You may be correct. However, recall that at least currently, ONLY recerted 
teachers are 
allowed to teach under the TM label. The recerts are the ones most likely to 
toe the party 
line in all respects. Likewise with the Rajas who are supposed to be running 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I've no doubt that there will be a move to deify or whatever 
> MMY (some already deify him), but I was responding mostly to 
> your "5 years" lmit. I don't think that there will be any 
> move towards this from within the TMO for many, MANY years. 

Case in point: one of the "bullet points" on my "job
description" as State Coordinator was going around to
different TM centers and trying to convince the TM
teachers who had placed a photo of Maharishi on their
pujz tables during the initiation process that it 
probably wasn't a good idea. We'd tell them what we
had been told to tell them and then leave town, and
hear through the grapevine that the day after we left
town the photos of Maharishi would be right back on 
the puja tables.

Fanatics are always convinced that *their* fanaticism
is the "right" fanaticism. It doesn't even matter if
the person they are fanatical about sits them down
and yells in their faces about their behavior and
how inappropriate it is, they will cling to their view
of what is correct and say things like, "Maharishi
is only yelling at me in public because he has to
set an example for all the other teachers, the 
'lesser' teachers who are not as clued in as I am.
If we were to talk about this subject in private,
he'd tell me that I was correct all along."

I've seen this so many times, both in the TMO and
in other spiritual trips. It's just part of the
spiritual process as far as I can tell. The power
of self importance is as awesome of the power of
denial.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm not really part of or terribly interested in this
> > > > conversation, but a funny thought just struck me.
> > > > How long do you think it will take after Maharishi
> > > > dies for the True Believers to add his name to the 
> > > > puja?  I'd bet less than five years.
> > > 
> > > As long as the TMO survives as MMY wants it tok, MMY's 
> > > name will NEVER be part of the puja. He's had his official 
> > > portrait added to the tradition of masters as a tiny figure 
> > > in white standing respectfully to the side, well away from 
> > > the river that flows through them.
> > 
> > Your point is slightly irrelevant. After he dies, the 
> > TM movement will survive as the people who run it want
> > it to survive, not as Maharishi wants it. If they want
> > to "reinterpret" his wishes "creatively," they will
> > certainly do so. Just look at the history of *any* 
> > spiritual movement after its teacher died.
> > 
> > I'd still bet on seeing a pretty determined program
> > of "Maharishi glorification." The movement will have
> > lost not only its figurehead, but also the *only* 
> > person who could get press any time he wanted it.
> > The public will tend to ignore the TM movement as
> > passe (even more than they do now). So my bet is 
> > that people will start coming up with "miracle stories"
> > and "healing stories" designed to portray Maharishi as
> > something Really Special. 
> > 
> > This is really NOT a rap denigrating either TM or the
> > TMO or Maharishi. It's just my guess about what we
> > might see happen after Maharishi's death, based on what
> > has happened in hundreds of spiritual traditions after
> > their teachers' deaths.
> 
> I've no doubt that there will be a move to deify or whatever 
> MMY (some already deify him), but I was responding mostly to 
> your "5 years" lmit. I don't think that there will be any 
> move towards this from within the TMO for many, MANY years. 
> In fact, if MMY is correct, there never will be, as long as 
> technological society endures. 

That's a sweet thought. Care to put money on it?  :-)

> Every talk that MMY has ever 
> given credits his teacher and the "tradition of masters." In 
> fact, since the next generation of TM teachers won't have 
> face time (even via closed circuit TV) with MMY, there will be 
> even less tendency to put him on a pedestal, IMHO.

I think there will be even *more* of a tendency to
deify him, for that very reason. Those who have 
worked face-to-face with a teacher tend to be a 
little more resistant to the deification process;
those who have always been kept at a distance tend
to "extend" that distance even further by deifying
the distant teacher. 

I'm just talking historical trends here. Some would
like to believe that the TMO will be immune to these
trends. I'm not one of them; I've seen the movement
fall prey to too many of them while Maharishi is
still alive, much less after he's gone.

Adding his name to the puja would be an extreme
step, but mark my words you'll see a "movement 
within the movement" to do so, even if it doesn't
succeed. And the result will be bitter infighting
between one group of people who are convinced that
they are doing "what Maharishi really wanted" and
another group that is equally convinced that they
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