[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence May not be Good for Humans
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: According to this article, human beings tend to hallucinate when placed in this silent chamber. http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/unplugged/quietest-place-earth-mutes-sounds-messes-head-212556719.html I wonder what would happen to experienced meditators while meditating? Noise is no barrier to meditation... but what about pure external silence? L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence Is The True Spiritual Instruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of martin.quickman Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 4:09 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Silence Is The True Spiritual Instruction http://sathyasaimemories.wordpress.com/2010/06/21/silence-is-the-true-spirit ual-instruction-all-about-steady-wisdom/ Many true seekers visit Sathya Sai Baba but he does not speak to them often. In the case of some devotees, he speaks not at all! Are those the ones to whom he just administers a wordless genital oil massage? Tell Rick Archer a lie, big or small, about a yogi and he will not only swallow it hook and sinkers but he will duplicate it and pass it along to as many as he can.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: I just received this note from an old friend who was Maharishi's personal secretary in the mid-70's. I trust his recollection of his direct experience more than I trust mine of a 2nd hand account heard in the same time period. greetings rick, MMY took only water while in silence, when he opened the door, all was golden... Many, not only secretaries but all who was allowed in during the 2-3 first days after Silence saw this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Silence vibrating is Creation. Silence flowing is Love. Silence shared is Friendship. Silence seen is Infinity. Silence heard is Adoration. Silence expressed is Beauty. Silence maintained is Strength. Silence omitted is Suffering. Silence allowed is Rest. Silence recorded is Scripture. Silence preserved is Our Tradition. Silence given is Initiating. Silence received is Joy. Silence perceived is Knowledge. Silence stabilized is Fulfillment. Silence alone is. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi I think he forgot Silence writing me a check is all that matters.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Silence
On Dec 23, 2009, at 12:03 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Silence vibrating is Creation. Silence flowing is Love. Silence shared is Friendship. Silence seen is Infinity. Silence heard is Adoration. Silence expressed is Beauty. Silence maintained is Strength. Silence omitted is Suffering. Silence allowed is Rest. Silence recorded is Scripture. Silence preserved is Our Tradition. Silence given is Initiating. Silence received is Joy. Silence perceived is Knowledge. Silence stabilized is Fulfillment. Silence alone is. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi I think he forgot Silence writing me a check is all that matters. How about silence is a dead rishi. :-) Interesting aside, it's been recently revealed that those drama-laden silences that Mahesh used to supposedly do every January, weren't actually that, uh, silent. He just held private meetings instead of more public ones!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: snip Interesting aside, it's been recently revealed Translation: Vaj just heard (or invented) a new rumor to flog. that those drama-laden silences that Mahesh used to supposedly do every January, weren't actually that, uh, silent. He just held private meetings instead of more public ones!
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Silence
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 11:27 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Silence On Dec 23, 2009, at 12:03 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Silence vibrating is Creation. Silence flowing is Love. Silence shared is Friendship. Silence seen is Infinity. Silence heard is Adoration. Silence expressed is Beauty. Silence maintained is Strength. Silence omitted is Suffering. Silence allowed is Rest. Silence recorded is Scripture. Silence preserved is Our Tradition. Silence given is Initiating. Silence received is Joy. Silence perceived is Knowledge. Silence stabilized is Fulfillment. Silence alone is. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi I think he forgot Silence writing me a check is all that matters. How about silence is a dead rishi. :-) Interesting aside, it's been recently revealed that those drama-laden silences that Mahesh used to supposedly do every January, weren't actually that, uh, silent. He just held private meetings instead of more public ones! One of his personal secretaries once told me that MMY ate and worked on stuff during those silences, but that he did so alone. I was in the room several times when he came out of silence, and at the time, his darshan seemed much more profound to me. It took him a couple of days to resume speaking at a normal volume.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 11:27 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Silence On Dec 23, 2009, at 12:03 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Silence vibrating is Creation. Silence flowing is Love. Silence shared is Friendship. Silence seen is Infinity. Silence heard is Adoration. Silence expressed is Beauty. Silence maintained is Strength. Silence omitted is Suffering. Silence allowed is Rest. Silence recorded is Scripture. Silence preserved is Our Tradition. Silence given is Initiating. Silence received is Joy. Silence perceived is Knowledge. Silence stabilized is Fulfillment. Silence alone is. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Vaj: He just held private meetings instead of more public ones! One of his personal secretaries once told me that MMY ate and worked on stuff during those silences, but that he did so alone. I was in the room several times when he came out of silence, and at the time, his darshan seemed much more profound to me. It took him a couple of days to resume speaking at a normal volume. Thanks for correcting this Vaj character Rick. But it won't stop him, in a day or two he will post new lies.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Silence
On Dec 23, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Rick Archer wrote: One of his personal secretaries once told me that MMY ate and worked on stuff during those silences, but that he did so alone. I was in the room several times when he came out of silence, and at the time, his darshan seemed much more profound to me. It took him a couple of days to resume speaking at a normal volume. Yeah, I'm sure many of us heard many different stories. My favorite, and one that helped sustain my own illusion of Maharishi- as-yogi was the story that he went into a darkened, temperature- controlled room and was ritually wrapped in some cloth, and that he entered a continuum of silence for days and days. Of course this was back when I really fell for the silence polarity thing. Imagine my disappointment when I found out it wasn't true! (well maybe he did this at one time, but not from what I've heard!). It's interesting the myths that are woven to preserve the fantasy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Dec 23, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Rick Archer wrote: One of his personal secretaries once told me that MMY ate and worked on stuff during those silences, but that he did so alone. I was in the room several times when he came out of silence, and at the time, his darshan seemed much more profound to me. It took him a couple of days to resume speaking at a normal volume. Yeah, I'm sure many of us heard many different stories. My favorite, and one that helped sustain my own illusion of Maharishi- as-yogi was the story that he went into a darkened, temperature- controlled room and was ritually wrapped in some cloth, and that he entered a continuum of silence for days and days. Of course this was back when I really fell for the silence polarity thing. Imagine my disappointment when I found out it wasn't true! (well maybe he did this at one time, but not from what I've heard!). It's interesting the myths that are woven to preserve the fantasy. Chalk that up, Vaj, as another reason to hate TM, the TMO, and Maharishi! Oh, the injustice done to you, Vaj, that you carry around as a weight around your neck. Consciously and with full free choice you decided to join a cult, one that was largely of your own making. You could have stuck with just doing TM twice a day for 15 minutes without getting involved in the TMO. And guess what? You wouldn't have had much to complain about. But the above story-telling you engage in reveals much: firstly, it was just that: a story. Secondly, it had nothing to do with TM. Thirdly, when you found out it wasn't true, how the hell was that a reflection on TM, the TMO, or Maharishi when it was some cult member who told it to you and you -- who at the time was obviously steeped in the cult out of your own choosing -- chose to believe it. Fourthly, you then tell us it wasn't true to begin with...and that this is somehow demonstrating to everyone how morally corrupt the TMO is. Sorry but you make little sense.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Silence
On Dec 23, 2009, at 2:37 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote: Consciously and with full free choice you decided to join a cult, one that was largely of your own making. Oh? I created the TMO? Strike one. You could have stuck with just doing TM twice a day for 15 minutes without getting involved in the TMO. And guess what? You wouldn't have had much to complain about. And you are omniscient, so you know what my experience was and what it would be? You suck as a mind reader Shemp. Strike Two. But the above story-telling you engage in reveals much: firstly, it was just that: a story. The assumption at the time was: if someone on Purusha told you this, they had the inside scoop. I did not assume then, like I would now, that they were probably lying. Secondly, it had nothing to do with TM. Of course it did. If Maharishi could be wrapped like a mummy and go into a continuum a silence, i, his humble student would one day receive the SPECIAL technique and be able to do the same. It was only a matter of time. Strike three. Thirdly, when you found out it wasn't true, how the hell was that a reflection on TM, Well, duh, if it's a lie, then TM probably ain't as good as I was lead to believe. What a let down! the TMO, The TMO FOSTERED and encouraged such lies, willfully. Strike four. or Maharishi If Marshy couldn't do it, he was just a fake too. Heck the guy wasn't even in silence. Just another lie he helped foster. He was just working on business matters as usual! Strike five, get back in the dugout with your inflatable doll already!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Dec 23, 2009, at 2:37 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote: Consciously and with full free choice you decided to join a cult, one that was largely of your own making. Oh? I created the TMO? Strike one. Actually, yes, you did. It was a creation in your own mind...as well as those that insisted upon making the organisation surrounding TM a cult. You and people like Nabby. You could have stuck with just doing TM twice a day for 15 minutes without getting involved in the TMO. And guess what? You wouldn't have had much to complain about. And you are omniscient, so you know what my experience was and what it would be? You suck as a mind reader Shemp. Strike Two. Actually, I do. If you did only TM twice a day and did it properly, I as a TM teacher had instructions for you that would have dealt with pretty much every experience. Instead, you chose to go the route of cult member and joined the TMO to do God knows what. Off the program. You were doing something but it wasn't the TM Program. You were doing Cult TM or Guru TM, but not TM. Your free choice. Live with it. But the above story-telling you engage in reveals much: firstly, it was just that: a story. The assumption at the time was: if someone on Purusha told you this, they had the inside scoop. I did not assume then, like I would now, that they were probably lying. Wrong assumption. But thank you for acknowledging that it was an assumption on your part. Congratulations, Vaj, you are on the first step towards being deprogrammed. Secondly, it had nothing to do with TM. Of course it did. If Maharishi could be wrapped like a mummy and go into a continuum a silence, i, his humble student would one day receive the SPECIAL technique and be able to do the same. It was only a matter of time. Strike three. Listen to you: Maharishi wrapped like a mummy. You believed that crap? And kept believing it for HOW long? I'll bet you even perpetuated the lie by telling OTHERS the same story, didn't you Vaj? And you wanted some sort of shortcut, some sort of special technique that would get you to heaven like a get out of jail free card. You, my friend, created a cult in your mind and then you joined it. Do you not take ANY responsibility for your own actions? Or is it all the fault of Daddy? Thirdly, when you found out it wasn't true, how the hell was that a reflection on TM, Well, duh, if it's a lie, then TM probably ain't as good as I was lead to believe. What a let down! Well, duh, if it didn't come out as official info or declaration from the TMO (being put in writing would have been a hint) you can't blame the TMO or Maharishi. Please. Get real. Are you one of the birthers or people that believe Barack Obama is a Muslim? After all, people are SAYING it, so it MUST be true, no? the TMO, The TMO FOSTERED and encouraged such lies, willfully. Strike four. Bullshit. Cult members and BELIEVERS fostered and encouraged such lies. Like I wrote above, I'll bet a dollar to a doughnut that you, too, perpetuated and retold the mummy story. Indeed, you're retelling it here on this forum DECADES after you first heard it...do you honestly want us to believe you never repeated it in the days in which you yourself have admitted to believing the story? Look in the fucking mirror or Maharishi If Marshy couldn't do it, he was just a fake too. Heck the guy wasn't even in silence. Just another lie he helped foster. He was just working on business matters as usual! Strike five, get back in the dugout with your inflatable doll already! Maharishi in or out of silence shouldn't, wouldn't, and couldn't affect one iota of one second of your daily TM practise. You're the one that let it affect you because you became a cult member, bought into bullshit that had nothing to do with TM, and now you've spent the last three decades blaming others for your own shortcomings.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Dec 23, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Rick Archer wrote: One of his personal secretaries once told me that MMY ate and worked on stuff during those silences, but that he did so alone. I was in the room several times when he came out of silence, and at the time, his darshan seemed much more profound to me. It took him a couple of days to resume speaking at a normal volume. Yeah, I'm sure many of us heard many different stories. My favorite, and one that helped sustain my own illusion of Maharishi- as-yogi was the story that he went into a darkened, temperature- controlled room and was ritually wrapped in some cloth, and that he entered a continuum of silence for days and days. Of course this was back when I really fell for the silence polarity thing. Imagine my disappointment when I found out it wasn't true! (well maybe he did this at one time, but not from what I've heard!). It's interesting the myths that are woven to preserve the fantasy. Vaj, I was REALLY involved in the TMO all through the 1970's and even into the 80's and early 90's, altho not teaching full time by then, and I never ever heard anything like what you believed and describe above. I seriously doubt that came from the TMO, or anyone reliable. Maybe it was wishful thinking or fantasy on the part of some True Believers and then became a rumor that spread. Whatever else you may think about MMY and the TMO this example says nothing about Maharishi and the TMO, but only about what some people believed. This kind of rumor and vulnerabiity to it exists in just about any tradition of spiritual growth, including Buddhism and its branches - and in their followers. We humans seem to have a need to believe in something, and the possibilties are endless.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence isn't golden
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.r...@... wrote: I have about as much love for Vaj as I have for, say, The Gay Agenda. That said, I think it's very important to know that Maharishi didn't really go into silence. And I found out only today that he didn't. Why is it important that he and those around him lied? Because if you're going to lie about this, you're going to lie about how long to get to Enlightenment, the useness of the pandits in VC, the power of Invincible America, the Maharishi Effect, the whole 9 yards. I am saddened to find out that Maharishi and those around him lied and made a big charade about his going into silence for all those days. It tells me increasingly that I should divorce myself more and more from anything TMO and any friends who are sold out to IA, the pandits or anything else the TMO. ...and as long as the continue to do the TM Program twice a day -- properly, according to the instructions -- all this other bullshit will have no effect -- zero, zippo -- on whether the technique works or not.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Silence
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: One of his personal secretaries once told me that MMY ate and worked on stuff during those silences, but that he did so alone. I was in the room several times when he came out of silence, and at the time, his darshan seemed much more profound to me. It took him a couple of days to resume speaking at a normal volume. So, Rick, the think about Maharishi going into silence for something like 11 days carrying only a glass of water was yet another legend made up to puff up us civilians' awe of Maharishi. What'd he do with the glass of water he carried into silence with him?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Silence
I just received this note from an old friend who was Maharishi's personal secretary in the mid-70's. I trust his recollection of his direct experience more than I trust mine of a 2nd hand account heard in the same time period. greetings rick, MMY took only water while in silence, when he opened the door, all was golden...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Silence
On Dec 23, 2009, at 3:49 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Dec 23, 2009, at 2:37 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote: Consciously and with full free choice you decided to join a cult, one that was largely of your own making. Oh? I created the TMO? Strike one. Actually, yes, you did. It was a creation in your own mind...as well as those that insisted upon making the organisation surrounding TM a cult. You and people like Nabby. LOL. That's funny. You could have stuck with just doing TM twice a day for 15 minutes without getting involved in the TMO. And guess what? You wouldn't have had much to complain about. And you are omniscient, so you know what my experience was and what it would be? You suck as a mind reader Shemp. Strike Two. Actually, I do. If you did only TM twice a day and did it properly, I as a TM teacher had instructions for you that would have dealt with pretty much every experience. Instead, you chose to go the route of cult member and joined the TMO to do God knows what. Off the program. You were doing something but it wasn't the TM Program. You were doing Cult TM or Guru TM, but not TM. Your free choice. Live with it. Actually my TM practice was fine. It's just that it got better after I got more skillful instructions. And no the canned checking procedure did not work for everybody. Too mechanical. It's one of the big flaws in TM instruction IMO. But the above story-telling you engage in reveals much: firstly, it was just that: a story. The assumption at the time was: if someone on Purusha told you this, they had the inside scoop. I did not assume then, like I would now, that they were probably lying. Wrong assumption. But thank you for acknowledging that it was an assumption on your part. Congratulations, Vaj, you are on the first step towards being deprogrammed. The point is, the core people lacked integrity. It was only a matter of time till (many of us) figured out it was rotten to the core. Even the founder lacked integretity. After that, if you had integretity, IMO, you left. No need to look back or imagine the specialness of TM, the TMSP or the special checking BS. Secondly, it had nothing to do with TM. Of course it did. If Maharishi could be wrapped like a mummy and go into a continuum a silence, i, his humble student would one day receive the SPECIAL technique and be able to do the same. It was only a matter of time. Strike three. Listen to you: Maharishi wrapped like a mummy. You believed that crap? The people on purusha didn't use the word mummy, I did. I was some sort of special way he was wrapped. And kept believing it for HOW long? Not for long. It was right before I said screw this org. I'll bet you even perpetuated the lie by telling OTHERS the same story, didn't you Vaj? No. I only asked people if they had heard of it. I wondered why I hadn't heard it before, like anyone would. I knew well real yogis could go into such states for as long as they chose, and I'd witnessed such things. I guess it boils down to your own level of experience really. But by the time I'd heard about the level of credibility for both TM and it's org had already run quite thin. And you wanted some sort of shortcut, some sort of special technique that would get you to heaven like a get out of jail free card. No, that's not what I wanted. You, my friend, created a cult in your mind and then you joined it. LOL. Actually, I saw it for what it was and left. Never looked back or ever thought of returning! Do you not take ANY responsibility for your own actions? Or is it all the fault of Daddy? Screw you asshole.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Silence
On Dec 23, 2009, at 4:01 PM, wayback71 wrote: Vaj, I was REALLY involved in the TMO all through the 1970's and even into the 80's and early 90's, altho not teaching full time by then, and I never ever heard anything like what you believed and describe above. I seriously doubt that came from the TMO, or anyone reliable. Maybe it was wishful thinking or fantasy on the part of some True Believers and then became a rumor that spread. Whatever else you may think about MMY and the TMO this example says nothing about Maharishi and the TMO, but only about what some people believed. This kind of rumor and vulnerabiity to it exists in just about any tradition of spiritual growth, including Buddhism and its branches - and in their followers. We humans seem to have a need to believe in something, and the possibilties are endless. I had heard it from someone on Purusha who I respected at the time. Shortly after this, it was hasta la vista for me. I actually have this in a box somewhere, in letter form, from an insider. I suspect a LOT of what I'd heard most have never heard.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: snip You're the one that let it affect you because you became a cult member, bought into bullshit that had nothing to do with TM, and now you've spent the last three decades blaming others for your own shortcomings. Post of the month. Maybe of the year.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Dec 23, 2009, at 3:49 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Dec 23, 2009, at 2:37 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote: Consciously and with full free choice you decided to join a cult, one that was largely of your own making. Oh? I created the TMO? Strike one. Actually, yes, you did. It was a creation in your own mind...as well as those that insisted upon making the organisation surrounding TM a cult. You and people like Nabby. LOL. That's funny. You could have stuck with just doing TM twice a day for 15 minutes without getting involved in the TMO. And guess what? You wouldn't have had much to complain about. And you are omniscient, so you know what my experience was and what it would be? You suck as a mind reader Shemp. Strike Two. Actually, I do. If you did only TM twice a day and did it properly, I as a TM teacher had instructions for you that would have dealt with pretty much every experience. Instead, you chose to go the route of cult member and joined the TMO to do God knows what. Off the program. You were doing something but it wasn't the TM Program. You were doing Cult TM or Guru TM, but not TM. Your free choice. Live with it. Actually my TM practice was fine. It's just that it got better after I got more skillful instructions. And no the canned checking procedure did not work for everybody. Too mechanical. It's one of the big flaws in TM instruction IMO. But the above story-telling you engage in reveals much: firstly, it was just that: a story. The assumption at the time was: if someone on Purusha told you this, they had the inside scoop. I did not assume then, like I would now, that they were probably lying. Wrong assumption. But thank you for acknowledging that it was an assumption on your part. Congratulations, Vaj, you are on the first step towards being deprogrammed. The point is, the core people lacked integrity. It was only a matter of time till (many of us) figured out it was rotten to the core. Even the founder lacked integretity. After that, if you had integretity, IMO, you left. No need to look back or imagine the specialness of TM, the TMSP or the special checking BS. Secondly, it had nothing to do with TM. Of course it did. If Maharishi could be wrapped like a mummy and go into a continuum a silence, i, his humble student would one day receive the SPECIAL technique and be able to do the same. It was only a matter of time. Strike three. Listen to you: Maharishi wrapped like a mummy. You believed that crap? The people on purusha didn't use the word mummy, I did. I was some sort of special way he was wrapped. And kept believing it for HOW long? Not for long. It was right before I said screw this org. I'll bet you even perpetuated the lie by telling OTHERS the same story, didn't you Vaj? No. I only asked people if they had heard of it. I wondered why I hadn't heard it before, like anyone would. I knew well real yogis could go into such states for as long as they chose, and I'd witnessed such things. I guess it boils down to your own level of experience really. But by the time I'd heard about the level of credibility for both TM and it's org had already run quite thin. And you wanted some sort of shortcut, some sort of special technique that would get you to heaven like a get out of jail free card. No, that's not what I wanted. You, my friend, created a cult in your mind and then you joined it. LOL. Actually, I saw it for what it was and left. Never looked back or ever thought of returning! Do you not take ANY responsibility for your own actions? Or is it all the fault of Daddy? Screw you asshole. ...and yet you're the one who has spent, literally, thousands of hours on a forum devoted to the discussion of TM.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Dec 23, 2009, at 4:01 PM, wayback71 wrote: Vaj, I was REALLY involved in the TMO all through the 1970's and even into the 80's and early 90's, altho not teaching full time by then, and I never ever heard anything like what you believed and describe above. I seriously doubt that came from the TMO, or anyone reliable. Maybe it was wishful thinking or fantasy on the part of some True Believers and then became a rumor that spread. Whatever else you may think about MMY and the TMO this example says nothing about Maharishi and the TMO, but only about what some people believed. This kind of rumor and vulnerabiity to it exists in just about any tradition of spiritual growth, including Buddhism and its branches - and in their followers. We humans seem to have a need to believe in something, and the possibilties are endless. I had heard it from someone on Purusha who I respected at the time. Shortly after this, it was hasta la vista for me. I actually have this in a box somewhere, in letter form, from an insider. I suspect a LOT of what I'd heard most have never heard. Hah! In a box somewhere. Why don't you dig it out and frame it? Better yet, once it's framed, why don't you set it up on a puja table, surround it with flowers and incense, and pray to it? After all, that would be the manifestation of your spiritual obsession with the TMO all these years. And more honest.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: Screw you asshole. LOL - this is what Vaj learnt in the Buddhist monestaries ;-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Silence
On Dec 23, 2009, at 5:29 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote: ...and yet you're the one who has spent, literally, thousands of hours on a forum devoted to the discussion of TM. This forum is not solely dedicated to the discussion of TM, but to the extent that it is, it was helpful in the past to hear some things I hadn't heard, to hear from people processing their good or bad experiences, to have many of the scandals and abuses revealed, etc. I guess it'd kinda be like being in the Catholic church and being on a list where all the dirty secrets were revealed and some of the good things as well. As I've said many times before, I'm more interested in people who were once involved with TM, but not necessarily the TMO, who've moved on and grown, and how. Since TM was a part of my early life (I learned TM as a young teenager who saved his lawn cutting money c. 1974). Fortunately where I lived I also had not only representatives of the Holy Shankaracharya Order, but people who knew Guru Dev and the intimate realities of mantra-yoga/mantra-shastra. Without those touchstones, there could have been the real danger of becoming involved seriously in the TMO. But fortunately these other avenues prevented that in a positive and constructive way.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Silence
On Dec 23, 2009, at 5:33 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Dec 23, 2009, at 4:01 PM, wayback71 wrote: Vaj, I was REALLY involved in the TMO all through the 1970's and even into the 80's and early 90's, altho not teaching full time by then, and I never ever heard anything like what you believed and describe above. I seriously doubt that came from the TMO, or anyone reliable. Maybe it was wishful thinking or fantasy on the part of some True Believers and then became a rumor that spread. Whatever else you may think about MMY and the TMO this example says nothing about Maharishi and the TMO, but only about what some people believed. This kind of rumor and vulnerabiity to it exists in just about any tradition of spiritual growth, including Buddhism and its branches - and in their followers. We humans seem to have a need to believe in something, and the possibilties are endless. I had heard it from someone on Purusha who I respected at the time. Shortly after this, it was hasta la vista for me. I actually have this in a box somewhere, in letter form, from an insider. I suspect a LOT of what I'd heard most have never heard. Hah! In a box somewhere. Why don't you dig it out and frame it? Better yet, once it's framed, why don't you set it up on a puja table, surround it with flowers and incense, and pray to it? After all, that would be the manifestation of your spiritual obsession with the TMO all these years. And more honest. LOL. I actually learned the real techniques of samkranti, or transference of consciousness from real, legitimate masters. I've toyed with the idea of scanning in my Purusha notes, but it would expose the person who wrote them and I am not interested in doing that.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Silence
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net wrote: I learned TM as a young teenager who saved his lawn cutting money c. 1974. This explains a lot. Dyslexic. Wrote down his mantra after his initiation, read and practiced it ass backwards for years, became disillusioned.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Silence
On Dec 23, 2009, at 5:55 PM, It's just a ride wrote: On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net wrote: I learned TM as a young teenager who saved his lawn cutting money c. 1974. This explains a lot. Dyslexic. Wrote down his mantra after his initiation, read and practiced it ass backwards for years, became disillusioned. Actually I found a master, had him instruct me in the actual secrets of the mantra, learned how to construct her yantra, do her homa (fire ritual) and took the practice as far as I desired to. I made the practice my own. Nice try though!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Silence isn't golden
On Dec 23, 2009, at 4:25 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.r...@... wrote: I have about as much love for Vaj as I have for, say, The Gay Agenda. That said, I think it's very important to know that Maharishi didn't really go into silence. And I found out only today that he didn't. Why is it important that he and those around him lied? Because if you're going to lie about this, you're going to lie about how long to get to Enlightenment, the useness of the pandits in VC, the power of Invincible America, the Maharishi Effect, the whole 9 yards. I am saddened to find out that Maharishi and those around him lied and made a big charade about his going into silence for all those days. It tells me increasingly that I should divorce myself more and more from anything TMO and any friends who are sold out to IA, the pandits or anything else the TMO. ...and as long as the continue to do the TM Program twice a day -- properly, according to the instructions -- all this other bullshit will have no effect -- zero, zippo -- on whether the technique works or not. As long as I practice the mass, it doesn't matter how many little boys were buggered... As long as I remain faithful to the Fatherland and the true Nazi party, it doesn't matter how many Jews were killed... As long as I hold Satya Sai Baba's techniques true, it doesn't matter how many boys he's diddled... As long as I maintain a sattvic diet, it doesn't matter how much ghee I eat... As long as I maintain the purity of the tradition by doing my TM, it doesn't matter how many lives the Maharishi destroyed... As long as I think Guru Dev is my real Guru, I don't care what Mahesh did... As long as I can take a drugs to help my anxiety and depression, it doesn't matter if TM works...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence
Vaj wrote: Fortunately where I lived I also had not only representatives of the Holy Shankaracharya Order So, your guru is the Shankaracharya of Kanchi - I thought so, Vajradhatu.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence
Vaj wrote: I actually learned the real techniques of samkranti, or transference of consciousness from real, legitimate masters. Did you ever actually meet the Swami Rama?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence isn't golden
Vaj wrote: As long as I practice the mass, it doesn't matter how many little boys were buggered... What happened to Osel Tendzin, your Vajradhatu guru?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Silence isn't golden
On Dec 23, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Vaj wrote: On Dec 23, 2009, at 4:25 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.r...@... wrote: I have about as much love for Vaj as I have for, say, The Gay Agenda. That said, I think it's very important to know that Maharishi didn't really go into silence. And I found out only today that he didn't. Why is it important that he and those around him lied? Because if you're going to lie about this, you're going to lie about how long to get to Enlightenment, the useness of the pandits in VC, the power of Invincible America, the Maharishi Effect, the whole 9 yards. I am saddened to find out that Maharishi and those around him lied and made a big charade about his going into silence for all those days. It tells me increasingly that I should divorce myself more and more from anything TMO and any friends who are sold out to IA, the pandits or anything else the TMO. ...and as long as the continue to do the TM Program twice a day -- properly, according to the instructions -- all this other bullshit will have no effect -- zero, zippo -- on whether the technique works or not. As long as I practice the mass, it doesn't matter how many little boys were buggered... As long as I remain faithful to the Fatherland and the true Nazi party, it doesn't matter how many Jews were killed... As long as I hold Satya Sai Baba's techniques true, it doesn't matter how many boys he's diddled... As long as I maintain a sattvic diet, it doesn't matter how much ghee I eat... As long as I maintain the purity of the tradition by doing my TM, it doesn't matter how many lives the Maharishi destroyed... As long as I think Guru Dev is my real Guru, I don't care what Mahesh did... As long as I can take a drugs to help my anxiety and depression, it doesn't matter if TM works... Dayenu. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence isn't golden
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Dec 23, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Vaj wrote: On Dec 23, 2009, at 4:25 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.ride@ wrote: I have about as much love for Vaj as I have for, say, The Gay Agenda. That said, I think it's very important to know that Maharishi didn't really go into silence. And I found out only today that he didn't. Why is it important that he and those around him lied? Because if you're going to lie about this, you're going to lie about how long to get to Enlightenment, the useness of the pandits in VC, the power of Invincible America, the Maharishi Effect, the whole 9 yards. I am saddened to find out that Maharishi and those around him lied and made a big charade about his going into silence for all those days. It tells me increasingly that I should divorce myself more and more from anything TMO and any friends who are sold out to IA, the pandits or anything else the TMO. ...and as long as the continue to do the TM Program twice a day -- properly, according to the instructions -- all this other bullshit will have no effect -- zero, zippo -- on whether the technique works or not. As long as I practice the mass, it doesn't matter how many little boys were buggered... As long as I remain faithful to the Fatherland and the true Nazi party, it doesn't matter how many Jews were killed... As long as I hold Satya Sai Baba's techniques true, it doesn't matter how many boys he's diddled... As long as I maintain a sattvic diet, it doesn't matter how much ghee I eat... As long as I maintain the purity of the tradition by doing my TM, it doesn't matter how many lives the Maharishi destroyed... As long as I think Guru Dev is my real Guru, I don't care what Mahesh did... As long as I can take a drugs to help my anxiety and depression, it doesn't matter if TM works... Dayenu. Sal Poor withered souls. O for a breeze of heav'nly love To waft my soul away To that celestial world here, Where pleasures ne'er decay. Eternal Spirit, deign to be My pilot here below, To steer thro' life's tempestuous sea, Where stormy winds do blow. Get your meditation checked. Come to meditation. http://shapenote.net/101t.htm Best of Wishes for You, -D in FF
[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: So, your guru is the Shankaracharya of Kanchi - I thought so, Vajradhatu. Isn't it fascinating that the worst thing TBs who have done nothing on this forum for years but parrot stuff told to them by some guru and have shown the least capability for independent thought can think of to demonize someone they don't like with is that he's under the sway of some guru? :-) I mean, it's funny in a way. Willy and Nabby have *never* been able to do anything but parrot Other People's Words on this forum, and the worst they can think of to rank on Vaj or I with is the claim (mistaken, in both cases) is that we're Buddhists, or that we study with some guru. They are in fact trying to insult us by claiming that we're *just like them*. :-) :-) :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence, Flowing
Very nice examples of grace in the human body. Thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Tonight I meditated in the garden of the house I'm staying in here in the French Pyrenees, and the Silence was so profound that even though I had intended to meditate only half an hour, I missed dinner. Three hours after sitting to meditate I finally had the thought to open my eyes, and found that it had grown dark around me. Cool. And, after an experience like that, I didn't really feel like dinner, so I retired to my part of the house and listened to the only music I could think of that matched the silence of that meditation. That music is Keith Jarrett's The Koln Concert, part IIb. I have always thought of it as Silence, flowing. If you have never seen Jarrett play solo, you have missed one of the great opportunities available to you on this planet. This very thin, very spiritual man walks out to the piano, sits down, without a clue as to what he is going to play that night, and just trusts Silence to guide him, and turn what he is feeling inside into music. Jarrett is in the moment personified, luring Silence into the world, in the form of music. And the amazing thing is that the Silence is still there, somehow *in* the music, as it flows from Jarrett's fingers, as if he were painting with light.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence: the cruelest revenge.
Well, my view about a house with shoveled sidewalks and trimmed lawns (all done by the homwowner, that is) is that there is life force in that house, and energy. Also, it shows that the houseowner is on top of their game, and is not playing catch up with their life. Nice to read your post. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sometimes nothing is a wholebunchalotta. Even the ego can use this handy tool. Lemme 'splain 'bout silence. As the three folks here who read my posts know, I've been quasi-bitchin' about the worst winter in Madison, WI history and the many Sisyphean challenges I've contended with, namely, shoveling the walks. My neighbors are the working elite who have nice cushy jobs but have to produce: lawyers, psychiatrists, computer geeks, small business owners, like that. Well, you'd think that responsible bunch would shovel their walks, eh? You'd be wrong about 70% of the time. Oh, but it gets worse. I've shoveled maybe 40 times to their average of about 6 times -- one neighbor is almost as good a citizen as me, but one has NEVER done his walks EVERand, yep, that guy lives right next door to me. (He's a bigtime bicycle rider, so he's got the muscles, but nope.) So guess what? At the beginning of winter here, late in the evening, the snow was coming down thick. I thought, Well, I'll at least clear a pathway, one shovel wide, now, and then do the whole walk tomorrow. So I did that. Then the ice began to fall, and the pathway I had cleared got two inches of ice adhering to the concrete while everyone else merely got a crust on the top of their eight inches of snow and could easily deal with it. Not my ice -- had to be pick-axed off, and I didn't have a pick axe. So, next day, I went to the hardware store, bought a nice ice chipper, came home and thoroughly exhausted myself before I realized that my ice chipper was more like a kiddie pretend tool, and by that time, tired, sweaty and after sundown, I called it a day with most of the walks still covered -- just as most of my neighbors' were. Well, the next day, I get a $109 ticket for not having my walk COMPLETELY cleared. Why? -- cuz my neighbor who never does his walk had been complained about -- rightfully -- by another neighbor, and when the city inspector came out, she looked at the house in question and then to each house on either side of the offender. So I got a ticket too. Okay, my bad, and, well, he got a ticket too. I'll live, but I called the city and asked about why the neighbors across the street didn't get ticketed and was told that that was the sunny side of the street and those walks would melt soon enough. Well, you can't fight city hall, but you can fight the neighbors -- with silence. So what I did was buy a primo ice chipper -- 30 pounder -- and I cleaned my walks and driveway spotlessly from edge of lawn to edge of lawn, and I cleared off the snow from the lawn around the fire hydrant too, and I cleared the wheelchair access ramps and then out to half way into the street to boot. Oh, my sidewalks were silent then! Nary a flake to cry out about my lazy-ass not caring about how the neighborhood looks. So I kept it up and haven't faltered for the whole winter while every single neighbor pretty much fucked up right and left so much that people walked their dogs in the street rather than on the walks. Now, here's the good part: no one's gotten a ticket since I got mine. See? See? They KNOW I could have reported them a dozen times each, but SILENT DOOR KNOBS WITH NO TICKETS is all that they have as a complaint from me. My first payoff: the other day, a neighbor from across the street down the block a bit yelled out to me: Nice walks, and you did your lawn nice last summer too! I've never met the guy and that's the first thing he said to me. He couldn't contain himself -- had to make a psychic partial payment to lessen his great debt to me for having saved him literally a thousand dollars worth of fines. Ah, buttah to the ego. Now, consider the concepts of pay it forwards, living not for the fruits of action, doing the right thing, Secret Santa's, and good citizenship. Aren't all of them heavily involved with silence being the best part of those giftings to the world? Isn't even egoic silence sweet no matter if it's done for personal aggrandizement? And doesn't it burn the soul to have someone doing something you should have done first? Writhe neighbors writhe under the coals I've heaped upon your heads!!! False pride aside, Ramana Maharishi assures us all that true silence is infinitely more powerful than mere egoic lip-zipping. So, in honor of that, to be like my praising neighbor and to erase some of the karma of false pride, I spent 30 minutes chipping my neighbor's walk today -- big storm coming tonight, and it will be impossible to
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Silence: the cruelest revenge.
I worked with many people who were good at keeping their office neat. But that was probably the only thing they did very well. I didn't and got a lot done for the company. So what does that say? Probably Edgy's neighbors would rather hire that stuff done but never get around to finding someone. In some cases his neighbors may just be keeping up with the bills and think they're unable to afford that extra work or the tools to do it themselves. Edgy must be retired if he has so much time on his hands. I suppose too that he would be in trouble if he just put some rock salt on that ice as (depending on the walk's composition) it might pit the sidewalk. When I lived in the northwest that's what we would do. I'm largely a renter who a few years back because of the inflated rental prices (and a corporate owned scumbag company taking over the complex I was in) bought a house. I lucked out as that yard is an Italian garden so there is no lawn to mow and since I'm not a green thumb I just have a gardener come in once a month to prune trees as needed and do other maintenance. I was lucky in some friends had someone to recommend that was reasonable. Not everyone loves to putter around their house. I have to hire some things done as I'm miserable carpenter. I am fairly good at electrical stuff and a little at plumbing. Of course also being a long term meditator I have long since lost attachment with material things I own so that pride of ownership is a little missing. The house is just a practical matter: a roof over my head, a garage for my car (yup it isn't cluttered like neighbor's who can't park in theirs) but too tiny a kitchen (I guess they didn't think people wanted to cook back in the 1960s). My neighbor calls these kitchens a galley. So some folks with shoveled sidewalks may actually have life force invested elsewhere and a check for the local gardener. And some who don't just may have other priorities for their life force. gandalfaragorn wrote: Well, my view about a house with shoveled sidewalks and trimmed lawns (all done by the homwowner, that is) is that there is life force in that house, and energy. Also, it shows that the houseowner is on top of their game, and is not playing catch up with their life.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence: the cruelest revenge.
In the energy department, it may be good feng shui to have your walks clean, too. Regardless, your attitude beats feeling like a victim, or seeking recrimination. Growing up in Marshalltown, Iowa, I had friends whose father worked a few blocks from his office. Before snowblowers were as common as they are now, he got one. After a snowfall, he'd walk his snowblower to the office, clearing all the sidewalks along the way. At the end of the day, he'd walk home down the other side of the street to give fair play to the neighbors. I don't believe there was much ego involved. He just did it for fun! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sometimes nothing is a wholebunchalotta. Even the ego can use this handy tool. Lemme 'splain 'bout silence. As the three folks here who read my posts know, I've been quasi-bitchin' about the worst winter in Madison, WI history and the many Sisyphean challenges I've contended with, namely, shoveling the walks. My neighbors are the working elite who have nice cushy jobs but have to produce: lawyers, psychiatrists, computer geeks, small business owners, like that. Well, you'd think that responsible bunch would shovel their walks, eh? You'd be wrong about 70% of the time. Oh, but it gets worse. I've shoveled maybe 40 times to their average of about 6 times -- one neighbor is almost as good a citizen as me, but one has NEVER done his walks EVERand, yep, that guy lives right next door to me. (He's a bigtime bicycle rider, so he's got the muscles, but nope.) So guess what? At the beginning of winter here, late in the evening, the snow was coming down thick. I thought, Well, I'll at least clear a pathway, one shovel wide, now, and then do the whole walk tomorrow. So I did that. Then the ice began to fall, and the pathway I had cleared got two inches of ice adhering to the concrete while everyone else merely got a crust on the top of their eight inches of snow and could easily deal with it. Not my ice -- had to be pick-axed off, and I didn't have a pick axe. So, next day, I went to the hardware store, bought a nice ice chipper, came home and thoroughly exhausted myself before I realized that my ice chipper was more like a kiddie pretend tool, and by that time, tired, sweaty and after sundown, I called it a day with most of the walks still covered -- just as most of my neighbors' were. Well, the next day, I get a $109 ticket for not having my walk COMPLETELY cleared. Why? -- cuz my neighbor who never does his walk had been complained about -- rightfully -- by another neighbor, and when the city inspector came out, she looked at the house in question and then to each house on either side of the offender. So I got a ticket too. Okay, my bad, and, well, he got a ticket too. I'll live, but I called the city and asked about why the neighbors across the street didn't get ticketed and was told that that was the sunny side of the street and those walks would melt soon enough. Well, you can't fight city hall, but you can fight the neighbors -- with silence. So what I did was buy a primo ice chipper -- 30 pounder -- and I cleaned my walks and driveway spotlessly from edge of lawn to edge of lawn, and I cleared off the snow from the lawn around the fire hydrant too, and I cleared the wheelchair access ramps and then out to half way into the street to boot. Oh, my sidewalks were silent then! Nary a flake to cry out about my lazy-ass not caring about how the neighborhood looks. So I kept it up and haven't faltered for the whole winter while every single neighbor pretty much fucked up right and left so much that people walked their dogs in the street rather than on the walks. Now, here's the good part: no one's gotten a ticket since I got mine. See? See? They KNOW I could have reported them a dozen times each, but SILENT DOOR KNOBS WITH NO TICKETS is all that they have as a complaint from me. My first payoff: the other day, a neighbor from across the street down the block a bit yelled out to me: Nice walks, and you did your lawn nice last summer too! I've never met the guy and that's the first thing he said to me. He couldn't contain himself -- had to make a psychic partial payment to lessen his great debt to me for having saved him literally a thousand dollars worth of fines. Ah, buttah to the ego. Now, consider the concepts of pay it forwards, living not for the fruits of action, doing the right thing, Secret Santa's, and good citizenship. Aren't all of them heavily involved with silence being the best part of those giftings to the world? Isn't even egoic silence sweet no matter if it's done for personal aggrandizement? And doesn't it burn the soul to have someone doing something you should have done first? Writhe neighbors writhe under the coals I've heaped upon your heads!!! False pride aside, Ramana Maharishi
