[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote: > > > > sparaig wrote: > > > You're being rather vague here Judy. > > > > > Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to, I guess. > > > > > Was this intentional...? > > > > > Well, I think it was her intention to try and hijack the thread - just > > another excuse to open her big pie hole and spout off like a > > know-it-all. Anybody can see that Judy hasn't added one thing to the > > current thread. Obviously Judy's not an insider with any new > > information. Go figure. > > > What makes you think you are any different? > I'd love to know the etymology of "pie hole". Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > sparaig wrote: > > You're being rather vague here Judy. > > > Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to, I guess. > > > Was this intentional...? > > > Well, I think it was her intention to try and hijack the thread - just > another excuse to open her big pie hole and spout off like a > know-it-all. Anybody can see that Judy hasn't added one thing to the > current thread. Obviously Judy's not an insider with any new > information. Go figure. > What makes you think you are any different? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > Moi, intentionally vague? Shirley, you jest. > > > > > +++ Shirley is a jester ? > > Whassamatta, you don't think women have a sensayooma? > +++ Looks like some are good with phrenetic spelling. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" > wrote: > > > > bob_brigante wrote: > > > > Doesn't "Bal" mean "boy" - Bal Brahmachari means life celibate, > > > > or so I understood. > > > > > > You are mistaken, Bob - according to the Cologne Digital Sanskrit > > Lexicon, the Sanskrit term 'bal' is an interjection imitating the > > sound of a falling body, as in 'falling at the feet of the master'. > > Many Sanskrit terms are derived from common household sounds. For > > example, the bija mantra 'phat', heard at every puja, is derived from > > the crack-sound made by a two-stroked wheeled vehicle, the motor > > rickshaw, found all over downtown Delhi. LÅL! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > Moi, intentionally vague? Shirley, you jest. > > > > > +++ Shirley is a jester ? > > Whassamatta, you don't think women have a sensayooma? > Is that what they're calling it these days? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
> > anon_astute_ff wrote: > > Would a real Maharishi goes into business? Bhagavad-giitaa, VII 16: catur-vidhaa bhajante maaM janaaH sukRtino 'rjuna aarto jijñaasur **arthaarthii** jñaanii ca bharatarSabha..7.16.. 7.16 O Arjuna, foremost of the Bharata dynasty, four classes of people of virtuous deeds adore Me: the afflicted, the seeker of Knowledge, the seeker of wealth and the man of Knowledge. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > Moi, intentionally vague? Shirley, you jest. > > > +++ Shirley is a jester ? Whassamatta, you don't think women have a sensayooma? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
sparaig wrote: > Regardless, my recollection isthat he was originally called > balraj brahmachari. > You are mistaken - he was originally called 'Mahesh', named after the Lord Shiva, his family's personal diety. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > bob_brigante wrote: > > > Doesn't "Bal" mean "boy" - Bal Brahmachari means life celibate, > > > or so I understood. > > > > You are mistaken, Bob - according to the Cologne Digital Sanskrit > Lexicon, the Sanskrit term 'bal' is an interjection imitating the > sound of a falling body, as in 'falling at the feet of the master'. > Many Sanskrit terms are derived from common household sounds. For > example, the bija mantra 'phat', heard at every puja, is derived from > the crack-sound made by a two-stroked wheeled vehicle, the motor > rickshaw, found all over downtown Delhi. > Regardless, my recollection isthat he was originally called balraj brahmachari. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
authfriend wrote: > Shirley, you jest. > Very impressive! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 2006, at 12:36 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > > > > > Just a rumor? Why, our Vaj just told us Maharishi was > > > > > a "leading suspect"! > > > > > > > > Don't kill the messenger! Actually it was Sri Swami Rama, a > > > > student of Guru Dev's, who said it. So take it up with his > > > > ashes! > > > > > > The messenger wrote: > > > > > > "It was actually from a conversation with Sw. Rama that I found > > > out that Mahesh was one of the leading suspects in the murder of > > > Swami Brahmananda." > > > > > > The messenger appears to have chosen some very, shall > > > we say, interesting wording to convey his message. > > > > > > "Found out that..." and "found out that there was a rumor > > > that..." carry very different connotations. > > > > > > As well, "leading suspect" sounds so very much as if, > > > you know, law enforcement was involved, having decided > > > there *had* been a homicide, and having narrowed down > > > the suspects to Maharishi and a few others. > > > > > > I mean, somebody who wasn't aware of the rumor and > > > what its origin was might actually think, from the way > > > the messenger phrased it, that it was established fact > > > that Guru Dev had been murdered and that MMY was an > > > official suspect in the crime. > > > > > > But perhaps that's the way Swami Rama phrased it, and > > > perhaps the messenger was so uninformed that he took > > > it that way, seeing no need to qualify it. > > > > > > Or perhaps not. > > > > You're being rather vague here Judy. Was this intentional...? > > Moi, intentionally vague? Shirley, you jest. > ...and don't call me Shirley... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
> wrote:
> >
> > on 4/5/06 12:30 PM, Richard J. Williams at willytex@ wrote:
> >
> > > anon_astute_ff wrote:
> > >> If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh
> > >> know this information?
> > >>
> > > By getting himself initiated into the tantric tradition and then
> > > studying with his master for thirteen years?
> > >
> > >> Does his name contain Saraswati?
> > >>
> > > Sure, it's Bal, the name given to Mahesh when he was initiated by
> Guru
> > > Dev.
> >
> > Doesn't "Bal" mean "boy" - Bal Brahmachari means life celibate, or
> so I
> > understood.
> >
>
> I think it depends on whether that's "Hindi truncation" for
> Sanskrit "bala" or "baala" ( = bAla). Below are all the meanings in
> Cologne Digital for both of those words. I've forgot which
> one is correct in that case:
>
> 1 bala n. (or m. g. %{ardharcA7di}) power , strength , might ,
> vigour , force , validity RV. &c. &c. (%{balAt} , `" forcibly ,
> against one's will , without being able to help it "' ; also = %
> {bala} ibc. , or %{balena} , %{bala-tas} , with gen. or ifc. , `" by
> force , by the power or on the strength or in virtue or by means of ,
> by "') ; force or power of articulation , TUP. ; force considered as
> a sixth organ of action (cf. %{karme7ndriya}) MBh. ; (the Buddhists
> reckon 10 forces , the ascetic S3aivas four , which according to Sch.
> on R. [B.] are %{sAman} , %{dAna} , %{bheda} , and %{nigraha}) ;
> Force personified as one of the Visve Deva1h2 MBh. ; power of ,
> expertness in (loc.) Nal. ; stoutness , bulkiness L. ; (also pl. ;
> ifc. f. %{A}) military force , troops , an army Mn. MBh. &c. ; (L.
> also shape ; body ; semen virile ; gum ; blood ; a young shoot ;
> bone) ; m. a crow MBh. ; Crataeva Roxburghii L. ; half-ripe barley
> L. ; N. of a demon conquered by Indra (the brother of Vr2itra , in
> older texts %{vala}) RV. &c. &c. ; of an elder brother of Kr2ishn2a
> (also called Bala-deva , Balabhadra , Bala-ra1ma &c.) MBh. Pur. ; cf.
> IW. 332 &c. ; (with Jainas) a white Bala or elder brother of
> Va1sudeva (9 in number , viz. Acala , Vijaya , Bhadra , Su-prabha ,
> Su-daris3ana , A1nanda , Nandana , Padma , and Ra1ma) ; N. of a son
> of Varun2a and brother of Sura1 MBh. ; of an attendant on Skanda
> ib. ; of a son of An3giras ib. ; of a son of Parikshit ib. ; of a son
> of Parija1tra BhP. ; of a son of Kr2ishn2a ib. ; of a lexicographer
> (also written %{vala}) Naish. Sch. ; of a horse of the Moon VP. ; (%
> {A}) f. Sida Cordifolia Sus3r. (du. the plants Bala1 and Ati-bala1
> ib.) ; N. of a partic. charm R. Ragh. (cf. %{ati-b-}) ; the youngest
> sister in a drama L. ; N. of a daughter of Daksha R. ; of a daughter
> of Raudra1s3va Hariv. ; of a female divinity who executes the orders
> of the 17th Arhat of the present Avasarpin2i1 L. ; of a peasant girl
> Lalit. ; (%{bala4}) n. = %{vala4} , a cavern AV. ; mfn. strong ,
> robust L. ; sick (= %{amin}) L. [Cf. Lat. {valere} , {valor} &c.]
>
> 2 bAla mf(%{A})n. (cf. %{vAla}) young , childish , infantine , not
> full-grown or developed (of per. sons and things) Gr2S. Up. Mn. MBh.
> &c. ; newly risen , early (as the sun or its rays) Ragh. ; new or
> waxing (as the moon) ib. Kum. ; puerile , ignorant , simple , foolish
> Mn. Hariv. Ka1v. ; pure (as an animal fit for sacrifice) L. ; m.a
> child , boy (esp. one under 5 years) Mn. MBh. &c. ; (in law) a minor
> (minors are classified as %{kunAra} , or boys under 5 years of age , %
> {zizu} under 8 , %{pogaNDa} from the 5th to the end of the 9th or
> till the 16th year , and %{kizora} from the 10th to the 16th year) ;
> a fool , simpleton Mn. Pan5cat. ; any young animal L. ; a colt , foal
> L. ; a five years old elephant L. ; Cypriuus Denticulatus or Rohita
> L. ; N. of a Rakshas VP. ; of a prince Ra1jat. ; (%{A}) f. a female
> child , girl , young woman (esp. one under 16 years) Mn. MBh. &c. ; a
> one year old cow L. ; small cardamoms L. ; Aloe Indica L. ; a kind of
> metre L. ; a partic. mystical prayer Cat. ; N. of the mother of
> Va1lin and Su-griva (said to have been formed by Praja1-pati out of
> some dust which had fallen into his eyes) R. ; n. Andropogon
> Muricatus L. ; heat L.
>
A pun perhaps, or multiple levels of meaning in his name then?
JohnY
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
sparaig wrote: > You're being rather vague here Judy. > Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to, I guess. > Was this intentional...? > Well, I think it was her intention to try and hijack the thread - just another excuse to open her big pie hole and spout off like a know-it-all. Anybody can see that Judy hasn't added one thing to the current thread. Obviously Judy's not an insider with any new information. Go figure. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 2006, at 12:36 PM, authfriend wrote: > snip > > > > You're being rather vague here Judy. Was this intentional...? > > Moi, intentionally vague? Shirley, you jest. > +++ Shirley is a jester ? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
bob_brigante wrote: > > Doesn't "Bal" mean "boy" - Bal Brahmachari means life celibate, > > or so I understood. > > You are mistaken, Bob - according to the Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon, the Sanskrit term 'bal' is an interjection imitating the sound of a falling body, as in 'falling at the feet of the master'. Many Sanskrit terms are derived from common household sounds. For example, the bija mantra 'phat', heard at every puja, is derived from the crack-sound made by a two-stroked wheeled vehicle, the motor rickshaw, found all over downtown Delhi. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
anon_astute_ff wrote: > Would a real Maharishi goes into business? > All the rishis bought and sold cattle - haven't you read the Vedas? > Would one say give me a million to sit in another room and > watch me on TV? > In India millions of people watch Maharishi on TV - not sure if they watch from another room or not though. > There is no Maharishi in TMO. > There's no such thing as the TMO - you made that up. From what I've read here, you haven't been within a thousand miles of a Maharishi Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge. What's up with that? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 2006, at 12:36 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > > > Just a rumor? Why, our Vaj just told us Maharishi was > > > > a "leading suspect"! > > > > > > Don't kill the messenger! Actually it was Sri Swami Rama, a > > > student of Guru Dev's, who said it. So take it up with his > > > ashes! > > > > The messenger wrote: > > > > "It was actually from a conversation with Sw. Rama that I found > > out that Mahesh was one of the leading suspects in the murder of > > Swami Brahmananda." > > > > The messenger appears to have chosen some very, shall > > we say, interesting wording to convey his message. > > > > "Found out that..." and "found out that there was a rumor > > that..." carry very different connotations. > > > > As well, "leading suspect" sounds so very much as if, > > you know, law enforcement was involved, having decided > > there *had* been a homicide, and having narrowed down > > the suspects to Maharishi and a few others. > > > > I mean, somebody who wasn't aware of the rumor and > > what its origin was might actually think, from the way > > the messenger phrased it, that it was established fact > > that Guru Dev had been murdered and that MMY was an > > official suspect in the crime. > > > > But perhaps that's the way Swami Rama phrased it, and > > perhaps the messenger was so uninformed that he took > > it that way, seeing no need to qualify it. > > > > Or perhaps not. > > You're being rather vague here Judy. Was this intentional...? Moi, intentionally vague? Shirley, you jest. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 5, 2006, at 12:36 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > Just a rumor? Why, our Vaj just told us Maharishi was > > > a "leading suspect"! > > > > Don't kill the messenger! Actually it was Sri Swami Rama, a > > student of Guru Dev's, who said it. So take it up with his ashes! > > The messenger wrote: > > "It was actually from a conversation with Sw. Rama that I found out > that Mahesh was one of the leading suspects in the murder of Swami > Brahmananda." > > The messenger appears to have chosen some very, shall > we say, interesting wording to convey his message. > > "Found out that..." and "found out that there was a rumor > that..." carry very different connotations. > > As well, "leading suspect" sounds so very much as if, > you know, law enforcement was involved, having decided > there *had* been a homicide, and having narrowed down > the suspects to Maharishi and a few others. > > I mean, somebody who wasn't aware of the rumor and > what its origin was might actually think, from the way > the messenger phrased it, that it was established fact > that Guru Dev had been murdered and that MMY was an > official suspect in the crime. > > But perhaps that's the way Swami Rama phrased it, and > perhaps the messenger was so uninformed that he took > it that way, seeing no need to qualify it. > > Or perhaps not. > You're being rather vague here Judy. Was this intentional...? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 5, 2006, at 11:29 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > > It was a shock at the time. > > > > > > > You're easily shocked since succession issues have been all the rage > > in religious and spiritual traditions since the dawn of history. > > It was the first time I had heard of a Shankaracharya student > poisoning his teacher. You also need to understand that no one I had > spoken to had heard of this poisoning scenario at the time--this was > c. 1980. > Since the issue never came to trial, obviously the evidence was rather weak. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 4/5/06 12:30 PM, Richard J. Williams at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > anon_astute_ff wrote: > >> If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh > >> know this information? > >> > > By getting himself initiated into the tantric tradition and then > > studying with his master for thirteen years? > > > >> Does his name contain Saraswati? > >> > > Sure, it's Bal, the name given to Mahesh when he was initiated by Guru > > Dev. > > Doesn't "Bal" mean "boy" - Bal Brahmachari means life celibate, or so I > understood. > ** Bala means strength, so a bal brahmachari is a strong celibate, a celibate all his life. In Jyotish, shadbala means "six strengths" of grahas/planets: http://varahamihira.blogspot.com/2004_07_30_varahamihira_archive.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> on 4/5/06 12:30 PM, Richard J. Williams at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > anon_astute_ff wrote:
> >> If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh
> >> know this information?
> >>
> > By getting himself initiated into the tantric tradition and then
> > studying with his master for thirteen years?
> >
> >> Does his name contain Saraswati?
> >>
> > Sure, it's Bal, the name given to Mahesh when he was initiated by
Guru
> > Dev.
>
> Doesn't "Bal" mean "boy" - Bal Brahmachari means life celibate, or
so I
> understood.
>
I think it depends on whether that's "Hindi truncation" for
Sanskrit "bala" or "baala" ( = bAla). Below are all the meanings in
Cologne Digital for both of those words. I've forgot which
one is correct in that case:
1 bala n. (or m. g. %{ardharcA7di}) power , strength , might ,
vigour , force , validity RV. &c. &c. (%{balAt} , `" forcibly ,
against one's will , without being able to help it "' ; also = %
{bala} ibc. , or %{balena} , %{bala-tas} , with gen. or ifc. , `" by
force , by the power or on the strength or in virtue or by means of ,
by "') ; force or power of articulation , TUP. ; force considered as
a sixth organ of action (cf. %{karme7ndriya}) MBh. ; (the Buddhists
reckon 10 forces , the ascetic S3aivas four , which according to Sch.
on R. [B.] are %{sAman} , %{dAna} , %{bheda} , and %{nigraha}) ;
Force personified as one of the Visve Deva1h2 MBh. ; power of ,
expertness in (loc.) Nal. ; stoutness , bulkiness L. ; (also pl. ;
ifc. f. %{A}) military force , troops , an army Mn. MBh. &c. ; (L.
also shape ; body ; semen virile ; gum ; blood ; a young shoot ;
bone) ; m. a crow MBh. ; Crataeva Roxburghii L. ; half-ripe barley
L. ; N. of a demon conquered by Indra (the brother of Vr2itra , in
older texts %{vala}) RV. &c. &c. ; of an elder brother of Kr2ishn2a
(also called Bala-deva , Balabhadra , Bala-ra1ma &c.) MBh. Pur. ; cf.
IW. 332 &c. ; (with Jainas) a white Bala or elder brother of
Va1sudeva (9 in number , viz. Acala , Vijaya , Bhadra , Su-prabha ,
Su-daris3ana , A1nanda , Nandana , Padma , and Ra1ma) ; N. of a son
of Varun2a and brother of Sura1 MBh. ; of an attendant on Skanda
ib. ; of a son of An3giras ib. ; of a son of Parikshit ib. ; of a son
of Parija1tra BhP. ; of a son of Kr2ishn2a ib. ; of a lexicographer
(also written %{vala}) Naish. Sch. ; of a horse of the Moon VP. ; (%
{A}) f. Sida Cordifolia Sus3r. (du. the plants Bala1 and Ati-bala1
ib.) ; N. of a partic. charm R. Ragh. (cf. %{ati-b-}) ; the youngest
sister in a drama L. ; N. of a daughter of Daksha R. ; of a daughter
of Raudra1s3va Hariv. ; of a female divinity who executes the orders
of the 17th Arhat of the present Avasarpin2i1 L. ; of a peasant girl
Lalit. ; (%{bala4}) n. = %{vala4} , a cavern AV. ; mfn. strong ,
robust L. ; sick (= %{amin}) L. [Cf. Lat. {valere} , {valor} &c.]
2 bAla mf(%{A})n. (cf. %{vAla}) young , childish , infantine , not
full-grown or developed (of per. sons and things) Gr2S. Up. Mn. MBh.
&c. ; newly risen , early (as the sun or its rays) Ragh. ; new or
waxing (as the moon) ib. Kum. ; puerile , ignorant , simple , foolish
Mn. Hariv. Ka1v. ; pure (as an animal fit for sacrifice) L. ; m.a
child , boy (esp. one under 5 years) Mn. MBh. &c. ; (in law) a minor
(minors are classified as %{kunAra} , or boys under 5 years of age , %
{zizu} under 8 , %{pogaNDa} from the 5th to the end of the 9th or
till the 16th year , and %{kizora} from the 10th to the 16th year) ;
a fool , simpleton Mn. Pan5cat. ; any young animal L. ; a colt , foal
L. ; a five years old elephant L. ; Cypriuus Denticulatus or Rohita
L. ; N. of a Rakshas VP. ; of a prince Ra1jat. ; (%{A}) f. a female
child , girl , young woman (esp. one under 16 years) Mn. MBh. &c. ; a
one year old cow L. ; small cardamoms L. ; Aloe Indica L. ; a kind of
metre L. ; a partic. mystical prayer Cat. ; N. of the mother of
Va1lin and Su-griva (said to have been formed by Praja1-pati out of
some dust which had fallen into his eyes) R. ; n. Andropogon
Muricatus L. ; heat L.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote: > > > > anon_astute_ff wrote: > > > If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh > > > know this information? > > > > > By getting himself initiated into the tantric tradition and then > > studying with his master for thirteen years? > > > > > Does his name contain Saraswati? > > > > > Sure, it's Bal, the name given to Mahesh when he was initiated by Guru > > Dev. Not to mention his given name, Mahesh, which means Shiva Yogi. > > But Mahesh doesn't need any names at all really - a Maharishi dwarfs > > any epithets given to most others. But I suspect that the reason > > Mahesh isn't a Saraswati is that a person has to join the recluse > > order founded by Shankaracharya before the surname Saraswati is used. > > Mahesh didn't want to join the Order - Swamis suffer, Yogis enjoy. > > > Would a real Maharishi goes into business? Yes. > Would one say give me a million to sit in another room and watch me on TV? ...not one who wanted to be SUCCESSFUL in going into business... > There is no Maharishi in TMO. > ...and there's no ASS in ASSUME... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Richard J. Williams wrote: > > >markmeredith wrote: > > > > > >>Most every Indian spiritual group I've investigated uses some > >>of the bija mantras - not necessarily in an eye-closed effortless > >>meditation practice, but they seem to be very commonly known. > >> > >> > >> > >So, it's a common practice all over India - Mr. Perino was mistaken. > > > > > > > >>As discussed here recently, early TMers report they weren't given > >>bij mantras, but "Ram". > >> > >> > >> > >Maybe so, but I'm TM meditator #212 in the USA, according to Beaulah > >Smith, and I never got a 'Ram' bija mantra. From what I've read, the > >very first TM meditator in India, a certain Mr. Raya, recieved the > >same bija I recieved in 1965, that would be ten years after the > >founding of the SRM by Marshy. > > > > > > > It is alleged that Maharishi when he was first teaching used the "Ram" > mantra. Bhagavan Das in his book "It's Here Now (Are You?)" claims he > was given the Ram mantra by Maharishi when he met shortly after arriving > in India. Bhagavan Das was the "young American" in India that Ram Das > wrote about in "Be Here Now." "Ram" is considered a shanti mantra. So > by the time you learned the techniques may well have changed as MMY > probably felt he needed a system for his teachers. > In '75 a Christian Fundamentalist was in Fairfield who claimed TM was evil had been initiated in the early or mid '60s (I can't remember exactly) and he also said that that was the mantra he was given. He said this at a town meeting where he spoke from a dias that also included Johnathan Shear. When he said his mantra, Shear said to him: "Are you sure that's the mantra you got? That doesn't sound right!" And the Fundie angrily responded: "Well, that's the one they gave me!" I sorta got the impression that the Fundie felt that in getting such a "pedestrian" and "common" mantra that maybe he was ripped off. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 5, 2006, at 11:29 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > > It was a shock at the time. > > > > > > > You're easily shocked since succession issues have been all the rage > > in religious and spiritual traditions since the dawn of history. > > It was the first time I had heard of a Shankaracharya student > poisoning his teacher. Not true. Elle Driver (played by Darryl Hannah) did it to her master, Pai Mei, whem she fed him poisoned fish in Kill Bill, Vol. II. > You also need to understand that no one I had > spoken to had heard of this poisoning scenario at the time--this was > c. 1980. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
Richard J. Williams wrote: >>>So, you're saying that many other temples in India, not just >>>Brahmanand's headquarters matha at Sringeri, practice a >>>meditation similar to TM and that the use of some TM bija >>>mantras is widespread. >>> >>> >>> >Vaj wrote: > > >>We've discussed your misconceptions on these subjects many >>times Willie. >> >> >> >There's no 'Willie', but if it makes you feel superior, call me by my >email address. > > > >>If you haven't gotten it by now, I suspect you don't want to. >> >> >> >The only thing I've been able to get out of you is that you think >you've got the dirty low-down on the Marshy and the Swami Rama. But >you've admitted that techniques similar to TM and the use of the same >bijas are in widespread use all over India. That leads me to conclude >that TM is probably the most popular meditation practice in all of >India. When you put that together with the popularity of the >Deepackage and the Sri Sri, Marshy is like a household word over >there. There must be millions of people in India doing program based >on the teachings of Marshy. > > When was the last time you were in India, Willy? Your statement also shows your ignorance of mantra shastra and Hindu traditions. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 5, 2006, at 12:36 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > Just a rumor? Why, our Vaj just told us Maharishi was > > a "leading suspect"! > > Don't kill the messenger! Actually it was Sri Swami Rama, a student > of Guru Dev's, who said it. So take it up with his ashes! > This Swami Rama must've been a very very poor student of his... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
on 4/5/06 1:32 PM, anon_astute_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> on 4/5/06 12:30 PM, Richard J. Williams at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> anon_astute_ff wrote: If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh know this information? >>> By getting himself initiated into the tantric tradition and then >>> studying with his master for thirteen years? >>> Does his name contain Saraswati? >>> Sure, it's Bal, the name given to Mahesh when he was initiated by Guru >>> Dev. >> >> Doesn't "Bal" mean "boy" - Bal Brahmachari means life celibate, or so I >> understood. >> > > now this opens up that can of worms. Probably he was when he was using that name. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote: > > > > anon_astute_ff wrote: > > > If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh > > > know this information? > > > > > By getting himself initiated into the tantric tradition and then > > studying with his master for thirteen years? > > > > > Does his name contain Saraswati? > > > > > Sure, it's Bal, the name given to Mahesh when he was initiated by Guru > > Dev. Not to mention his given name, Mahesh, which means Shiva Yogi. > > But Mahesh doesn't need any names at all really - a Maharishi dwarfs > > any epithets given to most others. But I suspect that the reason > > Mahesh isn't a Saraswati is that a person has to join the recluse > > order founded by Shankaracharya before the surname Saraswati is used. > > Mahesh didn't want to join the Order - Swamis suffer, Yogis enjoy. > > > Would a real Maharishi goes into business? > Would one say give me a million to sit in another room and watch me on TV? > There is no Maharishi in TMO. > Doesn't caste determine eligibility? How would an orthodox Shankaracharya like Brahmananda Saraswati waver from that? Ksatriya's go into business. Sure he may have gained realization from his devotion, but to assume he was privy to Sri Vidya knowledge doesn't add up. He wasn't brahmin and it has been suggested that mahesh's caste may not have even been that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 4/5/06 12:30 PM, Richard J. Williams at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > anon_astute_ff wrote: > >> If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh > >> know this information? > >> > > By getting himself initiated into the tantric tradition and then > > studying with his master for thirteen years? > > > >> Does his name contain Saraswati? > >> > > Sure, it's Bal, the name given to Mahesh when he was initiated by Guru > > Dev. > > Doesn't "Bal" mean "boy" - Bal Brahmachari means life celibate, or so I > understood. > now this opens up that can of worms. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
on 4/5/06 12:30 PM, Richard J. Williams at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > anon_astute_ff wrote: >> If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh >> know this information? >> > By getting himself initiated into the tantric tradition and then > studying with his master for thirteen years? > >> Does his name contain Saraswati? >> > Sure, it's Bal, the name given to Mahesh when he was initiated by Guru > Dev. Doesn't "Bal" mean "boy" - Bal Brahmachari means life celibate, or so I understood. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > anon_astute_ff wrote: > > If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh > > know this information? > > > By getting himself initiated into the tantric tradition and then > studying with his master for thirteen years? > > > Does his name contain Saraswati? > > > Sure, it's Bal, the name given to Mahesh when he was initiated by Guru > Dev. Not to mention his given name, Mahesh, which means Shiva Yogi. > But Mahesh doesn't need any names at all really - a Maharishi dwarfs > any epithets given to most others. But I suspect that the reason > Mahesh isn't a Saraswati is that a person has to join the recluse > order founded by Shankaracharya before the surname Saraswati is used. > Mahesh didn't want to join the Order - Swamis suffer, Yogis enjoy. > Would a real Maharishi goes into business? Would one say give me a million to sit in another room and watch me on TV? There is no Maharishi in TMO. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
Vaj wrote: > Don't kill the messenger! Actually it was Sri Swami Rama, a > student of Guru Dev's, who said it. > There's no evidence that Swami Rama ever said that Mahesh was a leading suspect in a murder at Jyotirmath. In fact, the rumor was started by Swami Prakashanand Saraswati, an erstwhile desciple of Brahmanada's. > So take it up with his ashes! > It's not mentioned in Swami Rama's book, 'Living With the Himalayan Masters'. I could be wrong, but I'll re-read it and find out. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
anon_astute_ff wrote: > If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh > know this information? > By getting himself initiated into the tantric tradition and then studying with his master for thirteen years? > Does his name contain Saraswati? > Sure, it's Bal, the name given to Mahesh when he was initiated by Guru Dev. Not to mention his given name, Mahesh, which means Shiva Yogi. But Mahesh doesn't need any names at all really - a Maharishi dwarfs any epithets given to most others. But I suspect that the reason Mahesh isn't a Saraswati is that a person has to join the recluse order founded by Shankaracharya before the surname Saraswati is used. Mahesh didn't want to join the Order - Swamis suffer, Yogis enjoy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
Richard J. Williams wrote: >markmeredith wrote: > > >>Most every Indian spiritual group I've investigated uses some >>of the bija mantras - not necessarily in an eye-closed effortless >>meditation practice, but they seem to be very commonly known. >> >> >> >So, it's a common practice all over India - Mr. Perino was mistaken. > > > >>As discussed here recently, early TMers report they weren't given >>bij mantras, but "Ram". >> >> >> >Maybe so, but I'm TM meditator #212 in the USA, according to Beaulah >Smith, and I never got a 'Ram' bija mantra. From what I've read, the >very first TM meditator in India, a certain Mr. Raya, recieved the >same bija I recieved in 1965, that would be ten years after the >founding of the SRM by Marshy. > > > It is alleged that Maharishi when he was first teaching used the "Ram" mantra. Bhagavan Das in his book "It's Here Now (Are You?)" claims he was given the Ram mantra by Maharishi when he met shortly after arriving in India. Bhagavan Das was the "young American" in India that Ram Das wrote about in "Be Here Now." "Ram" is considered a shanti mantra. So by the time you learned the techniques may well have changed as MMY probably felt he needed a system for his teachers. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 5, 2006, at 12:36 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > Just a rumor? Why, our Vaj just told us Maharishi was > > a "leading suspect"! > > Don't kill the messenger! Actually it was Sri Swami Rama, a > student of Guru Dev's, who said it. So take it up with his ashes! The messenger wrote: "It was actually from a conversation with Sw. Rama that I found out that Mahesh was one of the leading suspects in the murder of Swami Brahmananda." The messenger appears to have chosen some very, shall we say, interesting wording to convey his message. "Found out that..." and "found out that there was a rumor that..." carry very different connotations. As well, "leading suspect" sounds so very much as if, you know, law enforcement was involved, having decided there *had* been a homicide, and having narrowed down the suspects to Maharishi and a few others. I mean, somebody who wasn't aware of the rumor and what its origin was might actually think, from the way the messenger phrased it, that it was established fact that Guru Dev had been murdered and that MMY was an official suspect in the crime. But perhaps that's the way Swami Rama phrased it, and perhaps the messenger was so uninformed that he took it that way, seeing no need to qualify it. Or perhaps not. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
On Apr 5, 2006, at 11:29 AM, sparaig wrote: > > It was a shock at the time. > > > > You're easily shocked since succession issues have been all the rage > in religious and spiritual traditions since the dawn of history. It was the first time I had heard of a Shankaracharya student poisoning his teacher. You also need to understand that no one I had spoken to had heard of this poisoning scenario at the time--this was c. 1980. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
> > The mantra you mentioned, 'ram', > > cardemaister wrote: > AFAIK, that's "raama", not "ram". > You are mistaken - 'raam' isn't a bija mantra in the tantric tradition - it's the name of a deified hero of Ayodha. The word 'ram' is used as a mantra by courtesy only. According to Swami Bhaktivedanta, the 'mantra' 'ram' is to be repeated on a daily basis, based on the teachings of Chaitanya. Bija mantras are not found in standard Sanskrit lexicons. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
On Apr 5, 2006, at 12:36 PM, authfriend wrote: > Just a rumor? Why, our Vaj just told us Maharishi was > a "leading suspect"! Don't kill the messenger! Actually it was Sri Swami Rama, a student of Guru Dev's, who said it. So take it up with his ashes! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" > wrote: > > > > Vaj wrote: > > > > It was a shock at the time. > > > > > > sparaig wrote: > > > You're easily shocked since succession issues have been all > > > the rage in religious and spiritual traditions since the dawn > > > of history. > > > > > Vaj seems not to be aware of the fact that the controversy > concerning > > the succession at Jyotirmath was ongoing for over 150 years (some > say > > 250 years). For all we know, the real Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath > is > > the Rawal at the Badrinath Temple. What's shocking is that Vaj > would > > still be posting rumors about a murder at Jyotirmath in order to > prove > > his point. There's no evidence that a murder ever took place at > > Jyotirmath in a conspiracy between the Marshy and the Ashram Cook. > > That's just absurd and rediculous on it's face. > > > Agreed. It is a poisonous and rediculous rumor. Gossip at its worst. > Guru Dev was definitely not murdered. Just a rumor? Why, our Vaj just told us Maharishi was a "leading suspect"! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
> > There's no evidence that a murder ever took place at > > Jyotirmath in a conspiracy between the Marshy and the > > Ashram Cook. That's just absurd and rediculous on it's > > face. > > jim_flanegin wrote: > Agreed. It is a poisonous and rediculous rumor. Gossip at its > worst. Guru Dev was definitely not murdered. > That's right Jim - according to what I've read, Guru Dev died of natural causes at Calcutta, not at Jyotirmath, and Guru Dev didn't even have a cook; he prepared all his own meals. Swamis of the Dasanami Order aren't supposed to be playing with fire or eating the cooked food of others. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
> On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:44 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: > > > Vaj wrote: > > > Which matha are you particularly referring to? > > > > > The matha at Sringeri, the headquarters of the Saraswati sampradaya, > > the Dasanami sect founded by the Shakaracharya. Sringeri was the > > headquarters matha of Swami Brahmanand Saraswati, whose teacher was > > Swami Krishnanand Saraswati of Sringeri. snip > > Because the Sri Vidya is a secret tantric sect - it's not available to > > non-initiates. Only insiders like Marshy know much about the bija > > mantras they use at Sringeri - Marshy was taught them by his master, > > Swami Brahmanand Saraswati over the course of thirteen years in the > > Himalayas. This has all been confirmed by Swami Rama - don't you read > > books? > If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh know this information? Does his name contain Saraswati? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
> > So, you're saying that many other temples in India, not just > > Brahmanand's headquarters matha at Sringeri, practice a > > meditation similar to TM and that the use of some TM bija > > mantras is widespread. > > Vaj wrote: > We've discussed your misconceptions on these subjects many > times Willie. > There's no 'Willie', but if it makes you feel superior, call me by my email address. > If you haven't gotten it by now, I suspect you don't want to. > The only thing I've been able to get out of you is that you think you've got the dirty low-down on the Marshy and the Swami Rama. But you've admitted that techniques similar to TM and the use of the same bijas are in widespread use all over India. That leads me to conclude that TM is probably the most popular meditation practice in all of India. When you put that together with the popularity of the Deepackage and the Sri Sri, Marshy is like a household word over there. There must be millions of people in India doing program based on the teachings of Marshy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
On Apr 5, 2006, at 12:01 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: > Vaj seems not to be aware of the fact that the controversy concerning > the succession at Jyotirmath was ongoing for over 150 years (some say > 250 years). Actually Willie, I was aware of all this. > For all we know, the real Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath is > the Rawal at the Badrinath Temple. What's shocking is that Vaj would > still be posting rumors about a murder at Jyotirmath in order to prove > his point. I was responding to your remarks implying I was not familiar with Sw. R's connection to SBS. Don't ask so many questions if you don't want to hear an answer! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Vaj wrote: > > > It was a shock at the time. > > > > sparaig wrote: > > You're easily shocked since succession issues have been all > > the rage in religious and spiritual traditions since the dawn > > of history. > > > Vaj seems not to be aware of the fact that the controversy concerning > the succession at Jyotirmath was ongoing for over 150 years (some say > 250 years). For all we know, the real Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath is > the Rawal at the Badrinath Temple. What's shocking is that Vaj would > still be posting rumors about a murder at Jyotirmath in order to prove > his point. There's no evidence that a murder ever took place at > Jyotirmath in a conspiracy between the Marshy and the Ashram Cook. > That's just absurd and rediculous on it's face. > Agreed. It is a poisonous and rediculous rumor. Gossip at its worst. Guru Dev was definitely not murdered. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
Vaj wrote: > > It was a shock at the time. > > sparaig wrote: > You're easily shocked since succession issues have been all > the rage in religious and spiritual traditions since the dawn > of history. > Vaj seems not to be aware of the fact that the controversy concerning the succession at Jyotirmath was ongoing for over 150 years (some say 250 years). For all we know, the real Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath is the Rawal at the Badrinath Temple. What's shocking is that Vaj would still be posting rumors about a murder at Jyotirmath in order to prove his point. There's no evidence that a murder ever took place at Jyotirmath in a conspiracy between the Marshy and the Ashram Cook. That's just absurd and rediculous on it's face. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
sparaig wrote: > Swami Rama claims he learned a specific meditation technique > involving his own prayer beads (or whatever they are called) > from Gurudev. > Not just a meditation technique for counting prayer beads - Swami Rama was apparently intiated into the secret Sri Vidya cult by Swami Brahmanand Saraswati. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > It was actually from a conversation with Sw. Rama that I found out > > that Mahesh was one of the leading suspects in the murder of Swami > > Brahmananda. Sw. Rama's teaching on meditation probably most closely > > resembles Swami Brahmananda's own practice, not TM. > > Careful, Vaj. You're showing a bit too much of your stripes. > Swami Rama claimshe learned a specific meditation technique involving his own prayer beads (or whatever they are called) from Gurudev. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 5, 2006, at 10:01 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > > It was actually from a conversation with Sw. Rama that I found out > > > that Mahesh was one of the leading suspects in the murder of Swami > > > Brahmananda. Sw. Rama's teaching on meditation probably most > > closely > > > resembles Swami Brahmananda's own practice, not TM. > > > > > > > > > M, so you're saying that the fact that MMY produced a > > controvesial will didn't make the connection for you? > > This was long before I knew about the will controversy. Actually this > was back when I actually believed M. was some sort of chosen > descendent of SBS. What makes you think he is not? > > It was a shock at the time. > You're easily shocked since succession issues have been all the rage in religious and spiritual traditions since the dawn of history. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> markmeredith wrote:
> > Most every Indian spiritual group I've investigated uses some
> > of the bija mantras - not necessarily in an eye-closed effortless
> > meditation practice, but they seem to be very commonly known.
> >
> So, it's a common practice all over India - Mr. Perino was mistaken.
>
> > As discussed here recently, early TMers report they weren't given
> > bij mantras, but "Ram".
> >
> Maybe so, but I'm TM meditator #212 in the USA, according to Beaulah
> Smith, and I never got a 'Ram' bija mantra. From what I've read, the
> very first TM meditator in India, a certain Mr. Raya, recieved the
> same bija I recieved in 1965, that would be ten years after the
> founding of the SRM by Marshy.
>
> > Speaking of Nandkisore, I'd always heard the story about how
> > surprised he was when MMY taught him TM - there was nothing
> > like it taught within their ashram.
> >
> If true, then Nandkisore obviously didn't get around very much - a
> technique similar to TM was taught at Jyotirmath for years and as
you
> and Vaj have confiremd, the technique and the bija mantras are
> ubiquitous all over India. Go figure.
>
> The mantra you mentioned, 'ram',
AFAIK, that's "raama", not "ram".
rAma mf(%{A4})n. (prob. `" causing rest "' , and in most meanings fr.
%{ram}) dark , dark-coloured , black (cf. %{rAtri}) AV. TA1r. (%
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a black bird , crow Ka1t2hGr2. Vishn2.) ; white (?)
L. ; pleasing , pleasant , charming , lovely , beautiful MBh. Ka1v.
&c. ; m. a kind of deer Car. ; a horse L. ; a lover VarBr2S. ;
pleasure , joy , delight BhP. ; N. of Varun2a. L. ; N. of various
mythical personages (in Veda two Ra1mas are mentioned with the patr.
Ma1rgaveya and Aupatasvini ; another RñRa1mas with the patr.
Ja1madagnya [cf. below] is the supposed author of RV. x , 110 ; in
later times three RñRa1mas are celebrated , viz. 1. Paras3u-ra1ma
[q.v.] , who forms the 6th Avata1ra of Vishn2u and is sometimes
called Ja1madagnya , as son of the sage Jamad-agni by Ren2uka1 , and
sometimes Bha1rgava , as descended from Bhr2igu ; 2. Ra1ma-candra
[see below] ; 3. Bala-ra1ma [q.v.] , `" the strong Ra1ma "' , also
called Hala7yudha and regarded as elder brother of Kr2ishn2a [RTL.
112] accord. to Jainas a Ra1ma is enumerated among the 9 white
Balas ; and in VP. a RñRa1mas is mentioned among the 7 R2ishis of the
8th Manv-antara) RV. &c &c. N. of a king of Malla-pura Cat. ; of a
king of S3r2in3ga-vera and patron of Na1ge7s3a ib. ; of various
authors and teachers (also with %{AcArya} , %{upA7dhyAya} , %{kavi} ,
%{cakra-vartin} , %{jyotir-vid} , %{jyau-} %{tiSaka} , %{tarka-vAg-
Iza} , %{dIkSita} , %{daiva-jJa} , %{paNDita} , %{bhaTTa} , %
{bhaTTA7cArya} , %{vAjapeyin} , %{zarman} , %{zAstrin} , %
{saMyamin} , %{sUri} &c.) Cat. ;
ram el. 1.A1. (Dha1tup. xx , 23) %{ramate} (Ved. also P. %{ra4mati}
or %{ramNAti} pf. %{rarAma} MBh. ; %{reme} Br. &c. ; aor. 3. pl. %
{ranta} RV. ; %{araMsIt} Ka1v. ; %{araMsta} RV. ; %{raMsiSam} SV. ;
fut. %{rantA} Gr. ; %{raMsyati} Br. ; %{-te} ib. &c. ; inf. %
{ramitum} MBh. ; %{rantum} ib. &c. ; %{rantos} Br. ; ind. p. %
{ratvA4} ib. ; %{rantvA} Ka1v. ; %{-ramya} or %{-ratya} Pa1n2. 6-4 ,
38) , to stop , stay , make fast , calm , set at rest (P. ; esp.
pres. %{ramNAti}) RV. VS. ; (P.A1.)to delight , make happy , enjoy
carnally MBh. Hariv. S3ukas. ; (A1.) to stand still , rest , abide ,
like to stay with (loc. or dat.) RV. &c. &c. ; (A1. ; P. only m. c.)
to be glad or pleased , rejoice at , delight in , be fond of (loc.
instr. or inf.) RV. &c. &c. ; to play or sport , dally , have sexual
intercourse with (instr. with or without %{samam} , %{saha} , %
{sAkam} or %{sA7rdham}) , ChUP. MBh. &c. ; to couple (said of deer)
Pa1n2. 3-1 , 26 , Va1tt. 8 Pat. (cf. Caus.) ; to play with i.e. put
to stake (instr.) Bhat2t2.: Caus. %{rama4yati} or %{rAma4yati} (aor. %
{a4rIramat}) , to cause to stay , stop , set at rest RV. TS.
Pan5cavBr. Ka1tyS3r. ; (%{ramayati} , m.c. also %{-te}) to gladden ,
delight , please , caress , enjoy carnally MBh. Ka1v. &c. (3. sg. %
{ramayati-tarAm} , Ratna7v. iii , 9) ; to enjoy one's self , be
pleased or delighted MBh. Hariv. ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] , he tells that
the deer are coupling Pa1n2. 3-1 , 26 Va1rtt. 8 Pat.: Desid. in %
{riraMsA} , %{-su} q.v.: Desid. of Caus. in %{riramayiSu} q.v.:
Intesis. %{raMramyate} or %{raMramIti} Pa1n2. 7-4 , 85. [Cf. Zd.
ram , Gk. $ , &262829[867 ,2] $ , $ ; Lith. {rimti} ; Goth.
{rimis}.]
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It was actually from a conversation with Sw. Rama that I found out > that Mahesh was one of the leading suspects in the murder of Swami > Brahmananda. Sw. Rama's teaching on meditation probably most closely > resembles Swami Brahmananda's own practice, not TM. Careful, Vaj. You're showing a bit too much of your stripes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
markmeredith wrote: > Most every Indian spiritual group I've investigated uses some > of the bija mantras - not necessarily in an eye-closed effortless > meditation practice, but they seem to be very commonly known. > So, it's a common practice all over India - Mr. Perino was mistaken. > As discussed here recently, early TMers report they weren't given > bij mantras, but "Ram". > Maybe so, but I'm TM meditator #212 in the USA, according to Beaulah Smith, and I never got a 'Ram' bija mantra. From what I've read, the very first TM meditator in India, a certain Mr. Raya, recieved the same bija I recieved in 1965, that would be ten years after the founding of the SRM by Marshy. > Speaking of Nandkisore, I'd always heard the story about how > surprised he was when MMY taught him TM - there was nothing > like it taught within their ashram. > If true, then Nandkisore obviously didn't get around very much - a technique similar to TM was taught at Jyotirmath for years and as you and Vaj have confiremd, the technique and the bija mantras are ubiquitous all over India. Go figure. The mantra you mentioned, 'ram', which isn't even a bija mantra but the name of a deified hero, wasn't listed on Trancenet by John Knapp nor was it mentioned by Mike Doughney on Minit Org's Website. The mantra 'ram' isn't mentioned by Robert Kropinsky either, in his report concerning his visit to the Shankaracharya: "Further, I spoke aloud the sixteen mantras...", (see citation below). You may be mistaken on this - apparently 'ram' has never been used by Marshy as a bija mantra for program. I could be wrong though. From: John Manning Date: Mon, Oct 22 2001 12:00 pm Groups: alt.meditation.transcendental Subject: To BillyG http://tinyurl.com/fq8m5 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
On Apr 5, 2006, at 10:01 AM, sparaig wrote: > > It was actually from a conversation with Sw. Rama that I found out > > that Mahesh was one of the leading suspects in the murder of Swami > > Brahmananda. Sw. Rama's teaching on meditation probably most > closely > > resembles Swami Brahmananda's own practice, not TM. > > > > > M, so you're saying that the fact that MMY produced a > controvesial will didn't make the connection for you? This was long before I knew about the will controversy. Actually this was back when I actually believed M. was some sort of chosen descendent of SBS. It was a shock at the time. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
On Apr 5, 2006, at 10:04 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: > Vaj wrote: > > It's very ubiquitous. > > > So, you're saying that many other temples in India, not just > Brahmanand's headquarters matha at Sringeri, practice a meditation > similar to TM and that the use of some TM bija mantras is > widespread. We've discussed your misconceptions on these subjects many times Willie. If you haven't gotten it by now, I suspect you don't want to. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
sparaig wrote: > ...so you're saying that the fact that MMY produced a > controvesial will didn't make the connection for you? > It's not a fact that MMY 'produced' any controversial will. In fact, Brahmanand's will was found in a locked vault at the offices of the Jyotirmath Foundation Trust, and was produced by their barristers, not by MMY. And besides, it would have been MMY's job to produce the will, since MMY was Brahmanand's secretary and the administrator of Brahmanand's estate. At any rate, the will of Brahmanand was never contested in a court of law in India. The current Shankaracharya, Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati, is the sole owner of all the Jyotirmath land, the buildings, and all it's accoutrements. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote: > > > > wayback71 wrote: > > > Richard, what is your point and could you just say it clearly? > > > > > wayback71 - The Marshy doesn't need anymore people to sign up for TM > > training - he just needs to have the current teams of meditators sit > > in large groups to achieve the Maharishi effect, like we do at in the > > Superradience Dome at Radience. He doesn't need the apostates who went > > over to the Rama Lentz, the Sri Sri, the Prakash, or that older woman > > named Ma. So Marshy said to Girish Varma, his uncle, "Who needs them?" > > Nandikishore told me this because I've been an insider since wayback65. > > > > According to Steve Perino, not a single temple in all India uses bija > > mantras, like the ones used in TM, in their spiritual practice. Perino > > also stated that Shankaracharya didn't teach adwaita, but that's > > another thread. However, several years ago I discovered that in fact, > > the headquarters math of Guru Dev was at Sringeri, which is a noted > > seat of the Sri Vidya sect which practices a meditation similar to TM > > and that uses thirteen bija mantras contained in the Saundaryalahari, > > composed by the Shankaracharaya, which contains at least three TM bija > > mantras. > > > Thank you. Most every Indian spiritual group I've investigated uses some of the bija mantras - not necessarily in an eye-closed effortless meditation practice, but they seem to be very commonly known. As discussed here recently, early TMers report they weren't given bij mantras, but "Ram". Speaking of Nandkisore, I'd always heard the story about how surprised he was when MMY taught him TM - there was nothing like it taught within their ashram. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > wayback71 wrote: > > Richard, what is your point and could you just say it clearly? > > > wayback71 - The Marshy doesn't need anymore people to sign up for TM > training - he just needs to have the current teams of meditators sit > in large groups to achieve the Maharishi effect, like we do at in the > Superradience Dome at Radience. He doesn't need the apostates who went > over to the Rama Lentz, the Sri Sri, the Prakash, or that older woman > named Ma. So Marshy said to Girish Varma, his uncle, "Who needs them?" > Nandikishore told me this because I've been an insider since wayback65. > > According to Steve Perino, not a single temple in all India uses bija > mantras, like the ones used in TM, in their spiritual practice. Perino > also stated that Shankaracharya didn't teach adwaita, but that's > another thread. However, several years ago I discovered that in fact, > the headquarters math of Guru Dev was at Sringeri, which is a noted > seat of the Sri Vidya sect which practices a meditation similar to TM > and that uses thirteen bija mantras contained in the Saundaryalahari, > composed by the Shankaracharaya, which contains at least three TM bija > mantras. > Thank you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
Vaj wrote: > It's very ubiquitous. > So, you're saying that many other temples in India, not just Brahmanand's headquarters matha at Sringeri, practice a meditation similar to TM and that the use of some TM bija mantras is widespread. > Sri Vidya is not the only source of bija mantras. > So, you don't agree with Mr. Perino that there are no temples in all of India that practice a meditation technique similar to TM and use TM bija mantras. Mr. Perino, who is obviously not a pundit, seems to be unaware of the fact that Shankaracharya practiced a meditation technique similar to TM and used TM bija mantras in his sadhana and cited them when he composed the Saundaryalari. > > Because the Sri Vidya is a secret tantric sect - it's not > > available to non-initiates. Only insiders like Marshy know > > much about the bija mantras they use at Sringeri - Marshy > > was taught them by his master, Swami Brahmanand Saraswati > > over the course of thirteen years in the Himalayas. This > > has all been confirmed by Swami Rama - don't you read books? > > > It was actually from a conversation with Sw. Rama that I found out > that Mahesh was one of the leading suspects in the murder of Swami > Brahmananda. > It's common knowledge all over India that the Swami Rama was a big liar - he was never appointed to be a Shankaracharya. And Mahesh has never been a suspect in any murder case in India - if he was, we could all read about it in the Indian press, could we not? Newspapers over there don't seem to be averse to publishing the 'low down' about such incidents. In fact, it hasn't even been established that anyone was murdered, if you are referring to Swami Brahmanand, who died of natural causes. > Sw. Rama's teaching on meditation probably most closely > resembles Swami Brahmananda's own practice, not TM. > Swami Rama's meditation teaching IS the TM technique, just like Yogananda, Muktananda, and countless other meditation teachers in the dhyana yoga tradition. There's only one transcendental absolute, Vaj. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:44 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: > > > Vaj wrote: > > > Which matha are you particularly referring to? > > > > > The matha at Sringeri, the headquarters of the Saraswati sampradaya, > > the Dasanami sect founded by the Shakaracharya. Sringeri was the > > headquarters matha of Swami Brahmanand Saraswati, whose teacher was > > Swami Krishnanand Saraswati of Sringeri. > > > > > The mantrayana is not simply located at a particular monastery > > > or math, in fact it is much more widespread. > > > > > So, you're saying that many other temples in India, not just > > Brahmanand's headqurter matha at Sringeri, practice a meditation > > similar to TM and that the use of some TM bija mantras is widespread. > > It's very ubiquitous. Sri Vidya is not the only source of bija mantras. > > > > > > If they are real practitioners of the mantrayana why would > > > they be worried about any temple other than that of their > > > own bodies and those they loved? > > > > > Because the Sri Vidya is a secret tantric sect - it's not available to > > non-initiates. Only insiders like Marshy know much about the bija > > mantras they use at Sringeri - Marshy was taught them by his master, > > Swami Brahmanand Saraswati over the course of thirteen years in the > > Himalayas. This has all been confirmed by Swami Rama - don't you read > > books? > > It was actually from a conversation with Sw. Rama that I found out > that Mahesh was one of the leading suspects in the murder of Swami > Brahmananda. Sw. Rama's teaching on meditation probably most closely > resembles Swami Brahmananda's own practice, not TM. > M, so you're saying that the fact that MMY produced a controvesial will didn't make the connection for you? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:44 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: > Vaj wrote: > > Which matha are you particularly referring to? > > > The matha at Sringeri, the headquarters of the Saraswati sampradaya, > the Dasanami sect founded by the Shakaracharya. Sringeri was the > headquarters matha of Swami Brahmanand Saraswati, whose teacher was > Swami Krishnanand Saraswati of Sringeri. > > > The mantrayana is not simply located at a particular monastery > > or math, in fact it is much more widespread. > > > So, you're saying that many other temples in India, not just > Brahmanand's headqurter matha at Sringeri, practice a meditation > similar to TM and that the use of some TM bija mantras is widespread. It's very ubiquitous. Sri Vidya is not the only source of bija mantras. > > > If they are real practitioners of the mantrayana why would > > they be worried about any temple other than that of their > > own bodies and those they loved? > > > Because the Sri Vidya is a secret tantric sect - it's not available to > non-initiates. Only insiders like Marshy know much about the bija > mantras they use at Sringeri - Marshy was taught them by his master, > Swami Brahmanand Saraswati over the course of thirteen years in the > Himalayas. This has all been confirmed by Swami Rama - don't you read > books? It was actually from a conversation with Sw. Rama that I found out that Mahesh was one of the leading suspects in the murder of Swami Brahmananda. Sw. Rama's teaching on meditation probably most closely resembles Swami Brahmananda's own practice, not TM. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
Vaj wrote: > Which matha are you particularly referring to? > The matha at Sringeri, the headquarters of the Saraswati sampradaya, the Dasanami sect founded by the Shakaracharya. Sringeri was the headquarters matha of Swami Brahmanand Saraswati, whose teacher was Swami Krishnanand Saraswati of Sringeri. > The mantrayana is not simply located at a particular monastery > or math, in fact it is much more widespread. > So, you're saying that many other temples in India, not just Brahmanand's headqurter matha at Sringeri, practice a meditation similar to TM and that the use of some TM bija mantras is widespread. > If they are real practitioners of the mantrayana why would > they be worried about any temple other than that of their > own bodies and those they loved? > Because the Sri Vidya is a secret tantric sect - it's not available to non-initiates. Only insiders like Marshy know much about the bija mantras they use at Sringeri - Marshy was taught them by his master, Swami Brahmanand Saraswati over the course of thirteen years in the Himalayas. This has all been confirmed by Swami Rama - don't you read books? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
wayback71 wrote: > Richard, what is your point and could you just say it clearly? > wayback71 - The Marshy doesn't need anymore people to sign up for TM training - he just needs to have the current teams of meditators sit in large groups to achieve the Maharishi effect, like we do at in the Superradience Dome at Radience. He doesn't need the apostates who went over to the Rama Lentz, the Sri Sri, the Prakash, or that older woman named Ma. So Marshy said to Girish Varma, his uncle, "Who needs them?" Nandikishore told me this because I've been an insider since wayback65. According to Steve Perino, not a single temple in all India uses bija mantras, like the ones used in TM, in their spiritual practice. Perino also stated that Shankaracharya didn't teach adwaita, but that's another thread. However, several years ago I discovered that in fact, the headquarters math of Guru Dev was at Sringeri, which is a noted seat of the Sri Vidya sect which practices a meditation similar to TM and that uses thirteen bija mantras contained in the Saundaryalahari, composed by the Shankaracharaya, which contains at least three TM bija mantras. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
Richard, what is your point and could you just say it clearly? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The Chopra deal presented a fork in the road for the most TMers, since > to public appearances, Chopra was the new Maharishi. Accepting Tony > Nader as King of the World was harder to take than accepting a medical > doctor with magic pills. Then along came the Sri Sri and the Prakash > and now the Kali Ma. Not to worry - if disappointing the TMer base > seemed like a good idea to Marshy, he was probably correct in saying > to Girish Varma "Who needs them?" > > So, wouldn't it be surprising to find out, by means of another insider > informer, that, not only are there major temples in India which adhere > to the Mantrayana, but that one of the most important Mathas in all of > India, none other than the Headquarters of the Dasanami Sampradaya, > founded by the Shankaracharya himself, is the locus of a tantric sect > which specializes in the meditation on the fifteen bija-mantras of the > Sri Vidya? > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
