[FairfieldLife] Re: UFC Goons
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It? DharmaMitra1@ wrote: So, what is the redeeming value of this demonstration, this thread - - the flagrantly ruthless wanton and rampant beastiality of moral retards, from whom we must learn to defend ourselves? It's simply a lack of invincibility in daily life. It's simply a lack of cult-indoctrinated catch phrases in daily life. Your choice.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: UFC Goons
Is that your douche bag imitation or is samadhi just much closer than you think? --- Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pay Attention! The question had to do with the videos presented. On 11/29/07, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, what is the redeeming value of this demonstration, this thread - - the flagrantly ruthless wanton and rampant beastiality of moral retards, from whom we must learn to defend ourselves? Pay attention: True karate is this: that in daily life one's mind and body be trained and developed in a spirit of humility, and that in critical times, one be devoted utterly to the cause of justice. --Gichin Funakoshi OffWorld *Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most valuable thing to cultivate and convey to others is a moral conscience. Only such persons deserve to lead others, in any capacity. Anything less is a menace to society. * On 11/29/07, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: UFC 1-6 were the best! What a shock to all the karate/gung-fu one-punch-kills-all dudes. That's why I'm surprised that there are martial arts afficinados out there that still believe in some superduper secret school of one punch destroys all. Really quite silly. So Peter uses reasoning to deduce that if a very hard strike is given to the adam's apple, or the testicles, or the knees, or ankles, stomach, or break the jaw, that it is not dangerous and just carry on as if nothing happened. You and Curtis and the goons on UFC should get on stage with the Republican candidates for president that still believe the Earth was created 6,000 years ago. Get real imagine a hard strike to any number of places and understand --- you could die or be crippled temporarily. One strike is all it takes, and if you have not trained with that in mind...you are not a martial artist. Shotokan style Kmiti style competition is the only way to test a martial art. Other types of competition are mud- wrestling. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links -- Flourishingly, Dharma Mitra Helping you Say It With Panache! Because, how you say it can be, and often is, as important as what you want to convey, and what you have to say is very important to you. http://PROUT-Ananlysis-Synthesis.latest-info.com Copywriting - Editing - Publishing - Publicity I want every person to be complete in themselves. Your himsa has no place in my mission. Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most valuable thing to cultivate and convey to others is a moral conscience. Only such persons deserve to lead others, in any capacity. Anything less is a menace to society. Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
[FairfieldLife] Re: UFC Goons
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis, your story brought the idea that canine companionship might offer multiple benefits when you're meeting the public - 1 ) security - lots of bad guys won't tangle with a dog. 2.) a cute dog can be a magnet to draw people closer. May you move safely.. Thanks Main! Actually the DC tough guys often have pit bulls or Rottweilers now so I don't know what I could have to keep up. I got chased by one manhy years ago when I was doing some mortgage business in the DC ghetto. The dog was so big it made me wish it was a person chasing me! I think he was very curious to try white meat, I doubt he had ever seen a white person before! Yummm! I've heard the that hardasses in London have taken to walking around with large monkeys! Being more of a cat person (pussy jokes unwelcome) I'm just gunna get me a tiger and own those streets! The homeland security emphasis has taken so many cops off the streets that DC is getting pretty tough again after years of being much lower crime. Since I walk around with a lot of expensive musical gear for shows, I always read the crime reports in the areas where I play. Lately the personal armed robberies are much higher. The combo of me after a gig, late at night, walking to my car with expensive guitars, is a nasty mix. Lately I've been sticking to the suburban clubs till DC can get things back under control. But I still love the city and haven't had much trouble through the years. I'm a big fan of Haul-ass Jiu jitsu when I see any trouble going down! Bethesda Row might be a good gig. It's safe, so you can even leave your tiger at home; the throng gravitates there in search of a good time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I have had a team of street hustlers in DC approach me in a choreographed sequence, contrived spontaneity. It is quite convincing and dangerous. One lady in the group was pushing a baby in a baby carriage, how disarming is that! Lurk: How does that work. I love a good story. Wait, let me pull up a chair. Okay, ready. Black guys approaches me on H street in DC up the street from the old College of Natural Law. He tells me his Navy ship just pulled into Baltimore Harbor that day and he had a 24 hour leave. He reached in his pocket and pulled out a huge wad of bills, bigger than a softball, waves it in front of me and tells me that with only 24 hours he needs a local to help him find a hooker. And he tells me that he is willing to part with a chunk of that big wad to the guy who helps him find a girl, been on the ship for 6 months and all and ready to ship out for another 3 the next day. His eyes are clear and sincere, he holds my gaze without flinching. I like him almost instantly, he is radiating familiarity like I went to school with him or something. He needs my help in the worst way if I would only show a little compassion for a sailor in need, serving his country and in need of a little pussy for one night, hell the drinks are on him, we can all party together he has so much money to burn he doesn't care if he lays a few hundred on me he'll buy me a girl too if I want and where is he going to spend money in the middle of the ocean on a US Navy ship and can't I help a brother in need for God's sake, he only has one night... I start to back off and tell him that he doesn't need my help in the Capital city. He will do fine on his own. Just then a woman rolls up with a baby in a baby carriage, kinda blocks me in with it and joins the conversation. She tells me that we shouldn't miss this chance to work a deal and that she knows some Howard University college girls who turn tricks on the side. She needs my help cuz she has this baby see, and we can both make a bunch of money in such a short time, yessereee we would be fools to pass up a chance to make a few hundred dollars for almost no work at all, if I wont take the free money she certainly will, she is no fool... I realize that my ass is now in a sling with two people who wish me harm and who knows who else in the wings, so I briskly walk away cutting across moving traffic to get the F out of Dodge. It was only later that I contemplated whether I saw a man pull out a huge wad of bills or a man pulling out a few bills on the outside of a partial roll of toilet paper. Greed was the hook, and I didn't take the bait. But I learned a nice little lesson for the street. Now if someone asks me for the time, I step back first and look around me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: UFC Goons
I'm still a believer in siddhis being possible. Go figure. That said, Curtis et al, how'z'bout telling us which of the martial arts really have spiritual programs of merit. Do any or all have their practitioners do daily meditations on martial mantras? I think that only an enlightened person could master a one-blow killing ability. It is very hard to hit a moving target, and I think that that's the key issue here -- having lightning fast reflexes that only a ritam level mind could manifest. As a trikker, I know that controlling the body is a never-ending nuancing, but no way do I feel close to ritam or even approaching ritam significantly while I'm trikking -- and I really have to pay attention to very fine muscle control or I'll be on my butt in a blink, but I feel like it's all staying mostly on the level of perception. If I started feeling very strong emotions while trikking, maybe that would be a sign of me getting subtle. I do think that, give how many bricks we've seen the guys from all the various schools being able to break, that the issue of a one-blow-kill is settled. A skull can be crushed, but most likely only if it just stays still and accepts the blow. Otherwise, the fullest power of a blow will be unused in that a glancing blow is the result in most instances. Question: where are the enlightened martial artist masters we have all loved in movies and tales? All I see are well-practiced sweaty types who could kick my ass but not give me a method to look upon my soul with clearer eyes. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are making a fool of yourself if you think those goons of yours are kneeing someone in the face over and over again with full force. ROTFLMFA ! People would die if what you are watching was real ! It is all a stupid ratings show. Nothing more. Mario Yamasaki, one of the UFC refs was my Jiu Jitsu teacher. I have attended live MMA events in person. I have friends who fight in them. It is real. Your lack of familiarity with Thai technique caused you to miss how Rich was defending himself from the knees. The knees were being partially blocked in Rich Franklin's fight, but it still broke his nose. Did Rich fake that his nose was sideways after the fight? They couldn't allow the fight to continue because these are state commissioned fighting events. This is another reason how you can know they are real. They are legally sanctioned as fights, not as wrestling entertainment shows by state boxing commissions. They had previously banned them because they didn't have enough rules to be sanctioned fights. Worked fights are illegal unless they state that they are entertainment exhibitions upfront. But they have these fights in most states now. You can go to a local show if you have your doubts. Some mixed martial artists also fight in other sports like kickboxing or Muay Thai fights. Not as many compete in the kind of sport fighting like judo, sport jiu-jitsu, tae Kwan do or shotokan matches, but some do. Many of them came from these disciplines and want to test themselves in a different way. No doubt anyone trying to compete in a highly structured sport that they don't train in wouldn't do well. Send a shotokan fighter to a judo match? It doesn't make sense. The original UFCs were a test of pure styles in a very few rules setting. Now it has evolved into a distinctive cross trained sport. Claims of the highest martial art or the highest yogic teaching are not claims that I take seriously. We will have to agree to disagree about both of these subjects. I appreciate lots of different fighting styles and think they all have their place. My favorite is Brazilian style jiu jitsu. But I still enjoy watching people demonstrate other fighting styles, including your beloved Shotokan style. I'm just not a My way is the only or best way kind of guy, Off. De gustibus non est disputandum. Master Google can take it from here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: You cannot test martial arts without using a Kmiti Shotokan style competition. I am a little unclear on your point. The point cannot be clearer: There are a dozen places such as you adams apple - on the human body where a sharp blow could easily kill you. You cannot easily defend them all at once. You MUST be able to block a strike, and strike one of those points very hard. Anything else is a joke and you would get killed using anything else in a real situation. You cannot test martial arts without using a Kmiti Shotokan style competition. If any of those UFC goons came to a Kmiti fight most of them would be humbled completely (and some bloody noses). The only legitimate test of the efficacy of a martial art is Kmiti,
[FairfieldLife] Re: UFC Goons
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: curtisdeltablues@ wrote: [snip] Black guys approaches me on H street in DC up the street from the old College of Natural Law. He tells me his Navy ship just pulled into Baltimore Harbor that day and he had a 24 hour leave. He reached in his pocket and pulled out a huge wad of bills, bigger than a softball, waves it in front of me and tells me that with only 24 hours he needs a local to help him find a hooker. And he tells me that he is willing to part with a chunk of that big wad to the guy who helps him find a girl, been on the ship for 6 months and all and ready to ship out for another 3 the next day. His eyes are clear and sincere, he holds my gaze without flinching. I like him almost instantly, he is radiating familiarity like I went to school with him or something. He needs my help in the worst way if I would only show a little compassion for a sailor in need, serving his country and in need of a little pussy for one night, hell the drinks are on him, we can all party together he has so much money to burn he doesn't care if he lays a few hundred on me he'll buy me a girl too if I want and where is he going to spend money in the middle of the ocean on a US Navy ship and can't I help a brother in need for God's sake, he only has one night... I start to back off and tell him that he doesn't need my help in the Capital city. He will do fine on his own. Just then a woman rolls up with a baby in a baby carriage, kinda blocks me in with it and joins the conversation. She tells me that we shouldn't miss this chance to work a deal and that she knows some Howard University college girls who turn tricks on the side. She needs my help cuz she has this baby see, and we can both make a bunch of money in such a short time, yessereee we would be fools to pass up a chance to make a few hundred dollars for almost no work at all, if I wont take the free money she certainly will, she is no fool... I realize that my ass is now in a sling with two people who wish me harm and who knows who else in the wings, so I briskly walk away cutting across moving traffic to get the F out of Dodge. It was only later that I contemplated whether I saw a man pull out a huge wad of bills or a man pulling out a few bills on the outside of a partial roll of toilet paper. Greed was the hook, and I didn't take the bait. But I learned a nice little lesson for the street. Now if someone asks me for the time, I step back first and look around me. Then I give them the time. I never take for granted the power of more than one person with me in their sights. Thanks for asking Lurk. I hope it did not disappoint. [snip] Sounds like a different version of the grift at the beginning of The Sting when Robert Redford just happens to be walking by and overhearing someone trying to get someone to carry wads of money for them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: UFC Goons
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pay Attention! The question had to do with the videos presented. So please define your question again. OffWorld On 11/29/07, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It? DharmaMitra1@ wrote: So, what is the redeeming value of this demonstration, this thread - - the flagrantly ruthless wanton and rampant beastiality of moral retards, from whom we must learn to defend ourselves? Pay attention: True karate is this: that in daily life one's mind and body be trained and developed in a spirit of humility, and that in critical times, one be devoted utterly to the cause of justice. --Gichin Funakoshi OffWorld *Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most valuable thing to cultivate and convey to others is a moral conscience. Only such persons deserve to lead others, in any capacity. Anything less is a menace to society. * On 11/29/07, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: UFC 1-6 were the best! What a shock to all the karate/gung-fu one-punch-kills-all dudes. That's why I'm surprised that there are martial arts afficinados out there that still believe in some superduper secret school of one punch destroys all. Really quite silly. So Peter uses reasoning to deduce that if a very hard strike is given to the adam's apple, or the testicles, or the knees, or ankles, stomach, or break the jaw, that it is not dangerous and just carry on as if nothing happened. You and Curtis and the goons on UFC should get on stage with the Republican candidates for president that still believe the Earth was created 6,000 years ago. Get real imagine a hard strike to any number of places and understand --- you could die or be crippled temporarily. One strike is all it takes, and if you have not trained with that in mind...you are not a martial artist. Shotokan style Kmiti style competition is the only way to test a martial art. Other types of competition are mud- wrestling. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links -- Flourishingly, Dharma Mitra Helping you Say It With Panache! Because, how you say it can be, and often is, as important as what you want to convey, and what you have to say is very important to you. http://PROUT-Ananlysis-Synthesis.latest-info.com Copywriting - Editing - Publishing - Publicity I want every person to be complete in themselves. Your himsa has no place in my mission. Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most valuable thing to cultivate and convey to others is a moral conscience. Only such persons deserve to lead others, in any capacity. Anything less is a menace to society.
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2007-11-30
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Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?
Pay Attention! The question had to do with the videos presented. On 11/29/07, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, what is the redeeming value of this demonstration, this thread - - the flagrantly ruthless wanton and rampant beastiality of moral retards, from whom we must learn to defend ourselves? Pay attention: True karate is this: that in daily life one's mind and body be trained and developed in a spirit of humility, and that in critical times, one be devoted utterly to the cause of justice. --Gichin Funakoshi OffWorld *Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most valuable thing to cultivate and convey to others is a moral conscience. Only such persons deserve to lead others, in any capacity. Anything less is a menace to society. * On 11/29/07, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: UFC 1-6 were the best! What a shock to all the karate/gung-fu one-punch-kills-all dudes. That's why I'm surprised that there are martial arts afficinados out there that still believe in some superduper secret school of one punch destroys all. Really quite silly. So Peter uses reasoning to deduce that if a very hard strike is given to the adam's apple, or the testicles, or the knees, or ankles, stomach, or break the jaw, that it is not dangerous and just carry on as if nothing happened. You and Curtis and the goons on UFC should get on stage with the Republican candidates for president that still believe the Earth was created 6,000 years ago. Get real imagine a hard strike to any number of places and understand --- you could die or be crippled temporarily. One strike is all it takes, and if you have not trained with that in mind...you are not a martial artist. Shotokan style Kmiti style competition is the only way to test a martial art. Other types of competition are mud- wrestling. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links -- Flourishingly, Dharma Mitra Helping you Say It With Panache! Because, how you say it can be, and often is, as important as what you want to convey, and what you have to say is very important to you. http://PROUT-Ananlysis-Synthesis.latest-info.com Copywriting - Editing - Publishing - Publicity I want every person to be complete in themselves. Your himsa has no place in my mission. Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most valuable thing to cultivate and convey to others is a moral conscience. Only such persons deserve to lead others, in any capacity. Anything less is a menace to society.
[FairfieldLife] Re: UFC Goons
You are making a fool of yourself if you think those goons of yours are kneeing someone in the face over and over again with full force. ROTFLMFA ! People would die if what you are watching was real ! It is all a stupid ratings show. Nothing more. Mario Yamasaki, one of the UFC refs was my Jiu Jitsu teacher. I have attended live MMA events in person. I have friends who fight in them. It is real. Your lack of familiarity with Thai technique caused you to miss how Rich was defending himself from the knees. The knees were being partially blocked in Rich Franklin's fight, but it still broke his nose. Did Rich fake that his nose was sideways after the fight? They couldn't allow the fight to continue because these are state commissioned fighting events. This is another reason how you can know they are real. They are legally sanctioned as fights, not as wrestling entertainment shows by state boxing commissions. They had previously banned them because they didn't have enough rules to be sanctioned fights. Worked fights are illegal unless they state that they are entertainment exhibitions upfront. But they have these fights in most states now. You can go to a local show if you have your doubts. Some mixed martial artists also fight in other sports like kickboxing or Muay Thai fights. Not as many compete in the kind of sport fighting like judo, sport jiu-jitsu, tae Kwan do or shotokan matches, but some do. Many of them came from these disciplines and want to test themselves in a different way. No doubt anyone trying to compete in a highly structured sport that they don't train in wouldn't do well. Send a shotokan fighter to a judo match? It doesn't make sense. The original UFCs were a test of pure styles in a very few rules setting. Now it has evolved into a distinctive cross trained sport. Claims of the highest martial art or the highest yogic teaching are not claims that I take seriously. We will have to agree to disagree about both of these subjects. I appreciate lots of different fighting styles and think they all have their place. My favorite is Brazilian style jiu jitsu. But I still enjoy watching people demonstrate other fighting styles, including your beloved Shotokan style. I'm just not a My way is the only or best way kind of guy, Off. De gustibus non est disputandum. Master Google can take it from here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: You cannot test martial arts without using a Kmiti Shotokan style competition. I am a little unclear on your point. The point cannot be clearer: There are a dozen places such as you adams apple - on the human body where a sharp blow could easily kill you. You cannot easily defend them all at once. You MUST be able to block a strike, and strike one of those points very hard. Anything else is a joke and you would get killed using anything else in a real situation. You cannot test martial arts without using a Kmiti Shotokan style competition. If any of those UFC goons came to a Kmiti fight most of them would be humbled completely (and some bloody noses). The only legitimate test of the efficacy of a martial art is Kmiti, where the fight is stopped after a strike. Best out of three strikes. Let's see them come to a Kmiti competition? ? ? C'mon, let's see if they are really as good as you say they are. Why won't they come? There are such competitions that are open to others, but your goons won't come because they are not true martial artists who train every muscle and cell... to block...and and then cripple. Shotokan has dominated such competitions in the past when other forms turned up to fight. Kmiti is the ONLY true test of a martial art. The rest is worse than mud- wrestling because it doesn't test anything. You have to stop the fight after one strike for it to be a legitimate test. One strike could easily kill someone, therefore breeching someone's defences makes your point. The fight stops. Best out of three wins. All you are proving is your usual incapacity for rational thinking (as you do when you criticize something proven by scientific research published in peer reviewed journals ). You are making a fool of yourself if you think those goons of yours are kneeing someone in the face over and over again with full force. ROTFLMFA ! People would die if what you are watching was real ! It is all a stupid ratings show. Nothing more. OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: You cannot test martial arts without using a Kmiti Shotokan style competition. I am a little unclear on your point. The point cannot be clearer: There are a dozen places such as you adams apple - on the human body
[FairfieldLife] Re: UFC Goons
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I have had a team of street hustlers in DC approach me in a choreographed sequence, contrived spontaneity. It is quite convincing and dangerous. One lady in the group was pushing a baby in a baby carriage, how disarming is that! Lurk: How does that work. I love a good story. Wait, let me pull up a chair. Okay, ready. Black guys approaches me on H street in DC up the street from the old College of Natural Law. He tells me his Navy ship just pulled into Baltimore Harbor that day and he had a 24 hour leave. He reached in his pocket and pulled out a huge wad of bills, bigger than a softball, waves it in front of me and tells me that with only 24 hours he needs a local to help him find a hooker. And he tells me that he is willing to part with a chunk of that big wad to the guy who helps him find a girl, been on the ship for 6 months and all and ready to ship out for another 3 the next day. His eyes are clear and sincere, he holds my gaze without flinching. I like him almost instantly, he is radiating familiarity like I went to school with him or something. He needs my help in the worst way if I would only show a little compassion for a sailor in need, serving his country and in need of a little pussy for one night, hell the drinks are on him, we can all party together he has so much money to burn he doesn't care if he lays a few hundred on me he'll buy me a girl too if I want and where is he going to spend money in the middle of the ocean on a US Navy ship and can't I help a brother in need for God's sake, he only has one night... I start to back off and tell him that he doesn't need my help in the Capital city. He will do fine on his own. Just then a woman rolls up with a baby in a baby carriage, kinda blocks me in with it and joins the conversation. She tells me that we shouldn't miss this chance to work a deal and that she knows some Howard University college girls who turn tricks on the side. She needs my help cuz she has this baby see, and we can both make a bunch of money in such a short time, yessereee we would be fools to pass up a chance to make a few hundred dollars for almost no work at all, if I wont take the free money she certainly will, she is no fool... I realize that my ass is now in a sling with two people who wish me harm and who knows who else in the wings, so I briskly walk away cutting across moving traffic to get the F out of Dodge. It was only later that I contemplated whether I saw a man pull out a huge wad of bills or a man pulling out a few bills on the outside of a partial roll of toilet paper. Greed was the hook, and I didn't take the bait. But I learned a nice little lesson for the street. Now if someone asks me for the time, I step back first and look around me. Then I give them the time. I never take for granted the power of more than one person with me in their sights. Thanks for asking Lurk. I hope it did not disappoint. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Curtis, your story brought the idea that canine companionship might offer multiple benefits when you're meeting the public - 1 ) security - lots of bad guys won't tangle with a dog. 2.) a cute dog can be a magnet to draw people closer. May you move safely..
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: UFC Goons
--- Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, what is the redeeming value of this demonstration, this thread -- the flagrantly ruthless wanton and rampant beastiality of moral retards, from whom we must learn to defend ourselves? Beastiality perhaps you have a point there, but moral retards and from whom we have to defend ourselves? WTF are you talking about? I don't think you have any idea what we're talking about. Also, physical competition is something people enjoy or they don't. It's either your dharma or it isn't. Obviously its not your dharma so you don't get it. Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, what is the redeeming value of this demonstration, this thread - - the flagrantly ruthless wanton and rampant beastiality of moral retards, from whom we must learn to defend ourselves? It's simply a lack of invincibility in daily life. *Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most valuable thing to cultivate and convey to others is a moral conscience. Only such persons deserve to lead others, in any capacity. Anything less is a menace to society. * On 11/29/07, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: UFC 1-6 were the best! What a shock to all the karate/gung-fu one-punch-kills-all dudes. That's why I'm surprised that there are martial arts afficinados out there that still believe in some superduper secret school of one punch destroys all. Really quite silly. So Peter uses reasoning to deduce that if a very hard strike is given to the adam's apple, or the testicles, or the knees, or ankles, stomach, or break the jaw, that it is not dangerous and just carry on as if nothing happened. You and Curtis and the goons on UFC should get on stage with the Republican candidates for president that still believe the Earth was created 6,000 years ago. Get real imagine a hard strike to any number of places and understand --- you could die or be crippled temporarily. One strike is all it takes, and if you have not trained with that in mind...you are not a martial artist. Shotokan style Kmiti style competition is the only way to test a martial art. Other types of competition are mud- wrestling. OffWorld
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It? DharmaMitra1@ wrote: So, what is the redeeming value of this demonstration, this thread - - the flagrantly ruthless wanton and rampant beastiality of moral retards, from whom we must learn to defend ourselves? It's simply a lack of invincibility in daily life. It's simply a lack of cult-indoctrinated catch phrases in daily life. Your choice. Well, I've already made my choice. I do the TM Program, something you obviously don't do.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are making a fool of yourself if you think those goons of yours are kneeing someone in the face over and over again with full force. ROTFLMFA ! People would die if what you are watching was real ! It is all a stupid ratings show. Nothing more. Mario Yamasaki, one of the UFC refs was my Jiu Jitsu teacher. Jiu Jitsu has seldom won a serious Kmiti competition, and is likely inferior to a system that the only goal of which is to develop a life of respect and humility, then, in times of extreme need.block, and strike you very hard in the adam's apple, or maybe break your ankle instead. I have attended live MMA events in person. I have friends who fight in them. It is real. Your lack of familiarity with Thai technique caused you to miss how Rich was defending himself from the knees. ROTFLMAO ! Ridiculous and childish technique to be kneeing someone in the face. Any Shotokan expert would be out of that hold in an instant (they are heavily trained for such ), and if he was the one in the kicking position, within an instant, that you cannot even comprehend Curtis, he would have changed his stance, swept the guy on the floor and crammed his heel to about 3/16 in and inch precisely into the surface of his jaw. Start thinking Curtis. That, if follwed though, breaks your jaw. from these disciplines and want to test themselves in a different way. No doubt anyone trying to compete in a highly structured sport that they don't train in wouldn't do well. Send a shotokan fighter to a judo match? If the fight is stopped after a serious (pulled back in force though) blow to the stomach, neck, knees,ankled, heart, kidneys, (balls not allowed under any circumstnaces in sparring of course, but in reality, one more place for you to defend) or jawand the fight is stopped, because everyone knows that that could easily break your ankles, knees ,or jawthen yes, there is NO QUESTION Shotakan would win the Kmiti, 99% of the time. It doesn't make sense. The original UFCs were a test of pure styles in a very few rules setting. Now it has evolved into a distinctive cross trained sport. Claims of the highest martial art It is not a claim of the highest martial arts Curtis, you, the TurqTurd, and Peter are distorting that. I never said that. I said that in REALISTIC KMITI style competition Shotokan has dominated other styles. Others are welcome to try the MORE REALISTIC Kmiti competition, and I would love to see a better style than Shotokan emerge. I just have my doubts they would have a chance since they have never been able to do it in the past. or the highest yogic teaching are not claims that I take seriously. We will have to agree to disagree about both of these subjects. I appreciate lots of different fighting styles and think they all have their place. My favorite is Brazilian style jiu jitsu. But I still enjoy watching people demonstrate other fighting styles, including your beloved Shotokan style. I'm just not a My way is the only No, you are not, you are just being totally irrational because you don't want to see what I am saying. What I am saying is obvious, and you know it is true, yet you still continue to deny. Just like denying peer-reviewed research published in hundreds of scientific journals. OffWorld
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Curtis, your story brought the idea that canine companionship might offer multiple benefits when you're meeting the public - 1 ) security - lots of bad guys won't tangle with a dog. 2.) a cute dog can be a magnet to draw people closer. May you move safely.. Thanks Main! Actually the DC tough guys often have pit bulls or Rottweilers now so I don't know what I could have to keep up. I got chased by one manhy years ago when I was doing some mortgage business in the DC ghetto. The dog was so big it made me wish it was a person chasing me! I think he was very curious to try white meat, I doubt he had ever seen a white person before! Yummm! I've heard the that hardasses in London have taken to walking around with large monkeys! Being more of a cat person (pussy jokes unwelcome) I'm just gunna get me a tiger and own those streets! The homeland security emphasis has taken so many cops off the streets that DC is getting pretty tough again after years of being much lower crime. Since I walk around with a lot of expensive musical gear for shows, I always read the crime reports in the areas where I play. Lately the personal armed robberies are much higher. The combo of me after a gig, late at night, walking to my car with expensive guitars, is a nasty mix. Lately I've been sticking to the suburban clubs till DC can get things back under control. But I still love the city and haven't had much trouble through the years. I'm a big fan of Haul-ass Jiu jitsu when I see any trouble going down! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I have had a team of street hustlers in DC approach me in a choreographed sequence, contrived spontaneity. It is quite convincing and dangerous. One lady in the group was pushing a baby in a baby carriage, how disarming is that! Lurk: How does that work. I love a good story. Wait, let me pull up a chair. Okay, ready. Black guys approaches me on H street in DC up the street from the old College of Natural Law. He tells me his Navy ship just pulled into Baltimore Harbor that day and he had a 24 hour leave. He reached in his pocket and pulled out a huge wad of bills, bigger than a softball, waves it in front of me and tells me that with only 24 hours he needs a local to help him find a hooker. And he tells me that he is willing to part with a chunk of that big wad to the guy who helps him find a girl, been on the ship for 6 months and all and ready to ship out for another 3 the next day. His eyes are clear and sincere, he holds my gaze without flinching. I like him almost instantly, he is radiating familiarity like I went to school with him or something. He needs my help in the worst way if I would only show a little compassion for a sailor in need, serving his country and in need of a little pussy for one night, hell the drinks are on him, we can all party together he has so much money to burn he doesn't care if he lays a few hundred on me he'll buy me a girl too if I want and where is he going to spend money in the middle of the ocean on a US Navy ship and can't I help a brother in need for God's sake, he only has one night... I start to back off and tell him that he doesn't need my help in the Capital city. He will do fine on his own. Just then a woman rolls up with a baby in a baby carriage, kinda blocks me in with it and joins the conversation. She tells me that we shouldn't miss this chance to work a deal and that she knows some Howard University college girls who turn tricks on the side. She needs my help cuz she has this baby see, and we can both make a bunch of money in such a short time, yessereee we would be fools to pass up a chance to make a few hundred dollars for almost no work at all, if I wont take the free money she certainly will, she is no fool... I realize that my ass is now in a sling with two people who wish me harm and who knows who else in the wings, so I briskly walk away cutting across moving traffic to get the F out of Dodge. It was only later that I contemplated whether I saw a man pull out a huge wad of bills or a man pulling out a few bills on the outside of a partial roll of toilet paper. Greed was the hook, and I didn't take the bait. But I learned a nice little lesson for the street. Now if someone asks me for the time, I step back first and look around me. Then I give them the time. I never take for granted the power of more than one person with me in their sights. Thanks for asking Lurk. I hope it did not disappoint. Send instant messages to your online friends
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It? DharmaMitra1@ wrote: So, what is the redeeming value of this demonstration, this thread - - the flagrantly ruthless wanton and rampant beastiality of moral retards, from whom we must learn to defend ourselves? It's simply a lack of invincibility in daily life. It's simply a lack of cult-indoctrinated catch phrases in daily life. *Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most valuable thing to cultivate and convey to others is a moral conscience. Only such persons deserve to lead others, in any capacity. Anything less is a menace to society. * On 11/29/07, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: UFC 1-6 were the best! What a shock to all the karate/gung-fu one-punch-kills-all dudes. That's why I'm surprised that there are martial arts afficinados out there that still believe in some superduper secret school of one punch destroys all. Really quite silly. So Peter uses reasoning to deduce that if a very hard strike is given to the adam's apple, or the testicles, or the knees, or ankles, stomach, or break the jaw, that it is not dangerous and just carry on as if nothing happened. You and Curtis and the goons on UFC should get on stage with the Republican candidates for president that still believe the Earth was created 6,000 years ago. Get real imagine a hard strike to any number of places and understand --- you could die or be crippled temporarily. One strike is all it takes, and if you have not trained with that in mind...you are not a martial artist. Shotokan style Kmiti style competition is the only way to test a martial art. Other types of competition are mud- wrestling. OffWorld
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm still a believer in siddhis being possible. Go figure. That said, Curtis et al, how'z'bout telling us which of the martial arts really have spiritual programs of merit. Do any or all have their practitioners do daily meditations on martial mantras? I believe many of them do, but have lost that aspect in the West. I think that only an enlightened person could master a one-blow killing ability. Well, there are plenty of enlightened people that could die if they attacked an unenlightened expert in Shotokan, and there are many experts in Shotokan that could loose an encounter with a completely untrained enlightened person (a person exuding pure consciousness), but the chances of such an event are next to zero, since the Shotokan fighters quickly develop a sense of total humility and respect (even the HARDEST, previous street fighting guys - of which there were several in the club I trained in). And the enlightened have in the vicinity of Yog, negativity is eliminated. Therefore, such an event could not occur. OffWorld
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have never seen any evidence for the one strike one kill myth in karate anywhere in any fighting system I have seen. I think it is a story like yogis flying in the air. Well I probably give it a higher probability than flying, but you get my point. I really would like to belief that such a thing is possible, but like you say, its like yogis flying through the air. I'd luv to see it, but I doubt it. For so many centuries these karate and kung-fu guys have been believing their own press releases. As you have noted, UFC and MMA competition put all this killer striking ability to rest pretty quickly. Yep. The parallels between belief in magical abilities through siddhis and the belief in magical abilities through the martial arts is a strong one. As is the posturing we see in those who still believe the PR despite decades in the study without ever seeing even one demonstration of the myths. As a general rule in the martial arts, anyone who talks about how well they can kick ass can't. :-) Pretty much the same phenomenon as those who talk a lot about their darshan and how power- fully they can affect others' spiritual progress. The more talk, the less effect IMO. The few teachers I've encountered who seemed to really have some extraordinary abilities going for them -- either in the martial arts or in the realm of consciousness -- were pretty quiet about it. It was about action, not talk. And *after* the action, they never mentioned it again or tried to milk it for any PR or credit. They just did their jobs.
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I saw a pretty amazing guy in China do some things I'd have thought good work on the part of the special effects people in a movie. I'll describe briefly what he did and then I'd like your thoughts on what that was all about. I was sitting on a bench with a student in downtown Zhenjiang, a crowded place, when I noticed a guy starting to cross the square. He was very very old. No telling how old, but eighties at least if not nineties. And there was something strange about the way he walked--like he was in a different movie from the rest of us in which time moved more slowly or like he was walking on the moon where there's less gravity or under water. When he got opposite us, he was suddenly involved with three strong young girls, late teens, early twenties. He was juggling them--it's the only way I can put it. They tried to get away. He'd hold two of them, one in each hand, and the third one would try to run. Then he'd grab her, letting another one loose, who tried to run, but he'd grab her, letting another one loose, and so on. He made it look effortless. Finally the girls dropped to their knees and begged him to let them go. And he gave a little speech, which my student translated for me. Apparently, he'd caught those girls picking someone's pocket, and he was giving them a lecture about the social contract, and how you couldn't run a society with their attitude, and what would happen to them if they kept it up. Then he let them go. I sent my student to capture this guy and ask him if he'd be willing to talk for a while with this big nosed ghost, and he came over and sat down. He was blind! In China, they train blind men to do massage, so I became his weekly client. But he never would talk to me about his martial arts background. He was clearly a Daoist, though---that informed all his conversations with me, as he sat on a low stool and massaged my feet. TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have never seen any evidence for the one strike one kill myth in karate anywhere in any fighting system I have seen. I think it is a story like yogis flying in the air. Well I probably give it a higher probability than flying, but you get my point. I really would like to belief that such a thing is possible, but like you say, its like yogis flying through the air. I'd luv to see it, but I doubt it. For so many centuries these karate and kung-fu guys have been believing their own press releases. As you have noted, UFC and MMA competition put all this killer striking ability to rest pretty quickly. Yep. The parallels between belief in magical abilities through siddhis and the belief in magical abilities through the martial arts is a strong one. As is the posturing we see in those who still believe the PR despite decades in the study without ever seeing even one demonstration of the myths. As a general rule in the martial arts, anyone who talks about how well they can kick ass can't. :-) Pretty much the same phenomenon as those who talk a lot about their darshan and how power- fully they can affect others' spiritual progress. The more talk, the less effect IMO. The few teachers I've encountered who seemed to really have some extraordinary abilities going for them -- either in the martial arts or in the realm of consciousness -- were pretty quiet about it. It was about action, not talk. And *after* the action, they never mentioned it again or tried to milk it for any PR or credit. They just did their jobs. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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--- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You cannot test martial arts without using a Kmiti Shotokan style competition. I am a little unclear on your point. Is it that your Shotokan style is the bestest onliest realist ultimatist super duperist wowy dowiest toppermostist of the popermostist ultraist wammer jammerist supercalafracilisticexpialidoshisist fantabulous Mt. Everestic Vendantabulous martial art. (The one you studied) All other martial arts, not so much? Am I reading your fine point clearly? Let me summarize Off has the highest martial arts teaching. Everyone else, doesn't. Are we on the same page now? Curtis, you must have missed the memo! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: It doesn't have to be Shotokan style. The right strike ends fights in a flash in UFC all the time. You don't curl in a ball to defend, you move in and out of range while striking yourself. For a straight line attack like traditional karate the movement is circular peppered with low kicks. That's the whole point. Peppering someone with inneffective side swipes with no power available behind them in a real situation is a joke. You might as well go play table tennis. Karate is designed to have the whole body and the force of every muscle in the body and the whole body lunging at full force to a cripple or kill spot at incredible speed. Anything else is a joke and you would get killed using anything else in a real situation. You cannot test martial arts without using a Kmiti Shotokan style competition. If any of those UFC people came to a Kmiti fight most of them would be humbled completely (and some bloody noses). The only legitimate test of the efficacy of a martial art is Kmiti, where the fight is stopped after a strike. Best out of three strikes. Otherwise it is a bar-room brawl and does not test what Shotokan is designed for. Instead of those goons claiming they can beat Shotokan at silly brawls that don't test what martial arts were designed for, let's see them come to a Kmiti competition. Shotokan has dominated such competitions in the past when other forms turned up to fight. Kmiti is the only true test of a martial art. The rest is worse than mud- wrestling because it doesn't test anything. You have to stop the fight after one strike for it to be a legitimate test. One strike could easily kill someone, and you are naive if you think it cannot. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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--- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Snip Curtis, my neighbor (30 something guy) has trained in Muay Thai for several years. He works out a lot in his garage. I asked him to demonstrate some Muay Thai moves on me a while back. I'm an old judo guy so i do know somethings on the mat. My experience was like yours. That behind the neck lock-up is incredibly powerful. Peter, I was wondering when you would join in! Yeah, I was blown away by the Muay Thai clinch's control even without eating knees which is how Rich Franklin experienced it a few UFC's back. I dig their low kicks too. Judo is such a great tough sport. I did a lot of Judo in my first school. Learning to fall in a relaxed state while being thrown was a religious quest for me. One class I asked my teacher to throw me 25 times in a row so I could begin to stay conscious enough to experience the throw. It really helped. I learned how to slide my hand on their GI as I was flying over them to slow down my impact. But even with that it is really hard on your body to get thrown. Not to mention all the nasty ways to accelerate a throw that would pop up with certain sadistic partners! Like my TM intensive days, I am really happy to have experienced it, and really happy I am not into it like that now. The discussion with Off really brings me back to all those debates when UFC 2 blew the lid off. Those were exciting times when a little Gracie ground game could give you a huge advantage in a classically trained Jiu jitsu or Judo dojo. Now the sport is at such a high level. Last year I hit the mat with a purple belt Gracie fighter who I used to train with in the mid 90's. Very quickly it became obvious that the world had passed me by, his skill level was so radically different, I couldn't do a single thing to slow down the inevitable. What a brilliant system of body chess! But I have fallen off the board and I can't get up! When he described all his injuries and how messed up his fingers are I remembered why I had accepted my fate and hung up my GI. These days IFC is on cable, the UFC reality show has fights every week, and the day after UFC you can catch the fights online for free. It is really blowing up as a sport. But 70 UFCs ago Royce Gracie changed the way I viewed martial arts forever. And I sure wasn't the only one! UFC 1-6 were the best! What a shock to all the karate/gung-fu one-punch-kills-all dudes. That's why I'm surprised that there are martial arts afficinados out there that still believe in some superduper secret school of one punch destroys all. Really quite silly. I'd love to see it if it was true. I'd love to see some guy lift a horse with his ki the same way I'd love to see some siddha actually fly high in the dome. But I ain't waitin' anymore! I'm always open to the possibility but until i see it... Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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There are a good number of techniques in Taoist internal practices which are similar to what you describe. Some involve internal practices which are linked to movement. In external reality these would look like someone was doing Tai Chi or walking oddly, but in actuality the internal process was just being done in tune with the external movement. The teacher who taught me saw what largely passes as Tai Chi forms as a martial art. It's only when they were linked to the inner movement of Chi that they had any real power. That was supposed to be capable of all sorts of capacities, for example rooting someone to the ground or striking a blow to internal points...without ever touching the person. When it's practiced one does this weird walking/stalking kind of motion. Probably a Chi Kung master the way it sounds! On Nov 29, 2007, at 8:57 AM, Angela Mailander wrote: I saw a pretty amazing guy in China do some things I'd have thought good work on the part of the special effects people in a movie. I'll describe briefly what he did and then I'd like your thoughts on what that was all about. I was sitting on a bench with a student in downtown Zhenjiang, a crowded place, when I noticed a guy starting to cross the square. He was very very old. No telling how old, but eighties at least if not nineties. And there was something strange about the way he walked--like he was in a different movie from the rest of us in which time moved more slowly or like he was walking on the moon where there's less gravity or under water. When he got opposite us, he was suddenly involved with three strong young girls, late teens, early twenties. He was juggling them--it's the only way I can put it. They tried to get away. He'd hold two of them, one in each hand, and the third one would try to run. Then he'd grab her, letting another one loose, who tried to run, but he'd grab her, letting another one loose, and so on. He made it look effortless. Finally the girls dropped to their knees and begged him to let them go. And he gave a little speech, which my student translated for me. Apparently, he'd caught those girls picking someone's pocket, and he was giving them a lecture about the social contract, and how you couldn't run a society with their attitude, and what would happen to them if they kept it up. Then he let them go. I sent my student to capture this guy and ask him if he'd be willing to talk for a while with this big nosed ghost, and he came over and sat down. He was blind! In China, they train blind men to do massage, so I became his weekly client. But he never would talk to me about his martial arts background. He was clearly a Daoist, though---that informed all his conversations with me, as he sat on a low stool and massaged my feet.
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Angela, First of all I am fascinated with China. What an interesting life you must have had there! I know it only through Chinese friends and reading. I went through a rather obsessive period of reading stories of people who lived through the Cultural Revolution and the life of Mao. It kind of blew all my previous worries about how the TM organization operates out the window. Not because there aren't parallels, there are. But the scale and magnitude of what went down in China dwarfed the movement's influence so much I stopped caring about it so much. Now to your interesting story... When I used to practice martial arts I used to get paired with blue collar workers who had spent the day loading flats of plants as landscapers. The first time one of them grabbed me it seemed like a supernatural force. Their hands were so hardened from their years of labor that, compared to my lily whites,their grip was monstrous. As much as I train and weight lift, I never have achieved the natural strength of guys who earn a living with their bodies. So my first thought is that this guy may have worked physically hard all his life. If this guy did massage for a living, he had arms and grip that could easily control, not only these young girls, but almost anyone who didn't spend all day, every day working physically. Even at his advanced age those girls were no match. People who work outside can look much older than they are. My Shanghaiese buddy is only 10 years older than I am but he looks like he could be my dad. He spent the Cultural Revolution on a farm and it aged him terribly. The first time my Judo teacher shoved me with his whole body, it was like a truck hit me. Same with when he would pull me with his whole body engaged. It seemed supernatural to me until I learned to do it myself. Next these girls were probably not willing to really take on an elder after having committed a crime right? The implication of really decking the old guy would probably bring some consequences. So they may have been playing a bit rather then really going all out to resist him. This guy would have had a different experience with some of the homegirls in my neighborhood who wouldn't have given him any respect. The different levels of blindness can account for an ability to recognize shapes enough to grab a thing as big as a human. Finally, due to the fact that it was almost as if it was a show for your benefit, I can't rule out that it was not a bit of street hustle. Although you sent someone over to him, if you hadn't, he might have approached you. The chances that you would be a higher paying customer than a Chinese person makes such a display very worthwhile. I have had a team of street hustlers in DC approach me in a choreographed sequence, contrived spontaneity. It is quite convincing and dangerous. One lady in the group was pushing a baby in a baby carriage, how disarming is that! None of my speculations makes your story less interesting Angela. I am not attempting to explain what happened, just some possibilities that come to my mind. Thanks for asking for our POVs on this personal experience. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw a pretty amazing guy in China do some things I'd have thought good work on the part of the special effects people in a movie. I'll describe briefly what he did and then I'd like your thoughts on what that was all about. I was sitting on a bench with a student in downtown Zhenjiang, a crowded place, when I noticed a guy starting to cross the square. He was very very old. No telling how old, but eighties at least if not nineties. And there was something strange about the way he walked--like he was in a different movie from the rest of us in which time moved more slowly or like he was walking on the moon where there's less gravity or under water. When he got opposite us, he was suddenly involved with three strong young girls, late teens, early twenties. He was juggling them--it's the only way I can put it. They tried to get away. He'd hold two of them, one in each hand, and the third one would try to run. Then he'd grab her, letting another one loose, who tried to run, but he'd grab her, letting another one loose, and so on. He made it look effortless. Finally the girls dropped to their knees and begged him to let them go. And he gave a little speech, which my student translated for me. Apparently, he'd caught those girls picking someone's pocket, and he was giving them a lecture about the social contract, and how you couldn't run a society with their attitude, and what would happen to them if they kept it up. Then he let them go. I sent my student to capture this guy and ask him if he'd be willing to talk for a while with this big nosed ghost, and he came over and sat down. He was blind! In China, they train blind men to do massage, so I became his weekly client. But he never
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Sounds right. I forgot to mention that he could put a candle out at a distance by just pointing at it. Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are a good number of techniques in Taoist internal practices which are similar to what you describe. Some involve internal practices which are linked to movement. In external reality these would look like someone was doing Tai Chi or walking oddly, but in actuality the internal process was just being done in tune with the external movement. The teacher who taught me saw what largely passes as Tai Chi forms as a martial art. It's only when they were linked to the inner movement of Chi that they had any real power. That was supposed to be capable of all sorts of capacities, for example rooting someone to the ground or striking a blow to internal points...without ever touching the person. When it's practiced one does this weird walking/stalking kind of motion. Probably a Chi Kung master the way it sounds! On Nov 29, 2007, at 8:57 AM, Angela Mailander wrote: I saw a pretty amazing guy in China do some things I'd have thought good work on the part of the special effects people in a movie. I'll describe briefly what he did and then I'd like your thoughts on what that was all about. I was sitting on a bench with a student in downtown Zhenjiang, a crowded place, when I noticed a guy starting to cross the square. He was very very old. No telling how old, but eighties at least if not nineties. And there was something strange about the way he walked--like he was in a different movie from the rest of us in which time moved more slowly or like he was walking on the moon where there's less gravity or under water. When he got opposite us, he was suddenly involved with three strong young girls, late teens, early twenties. He was juggling them--it's the only way I can put it. They tried to get away. He'd hold two of them, one in each hand, and the third one would try to run. Then he'd grab her, letting another one loose, who tried to run, but he'd grab her, letting another one loose, and so on. He made it look effortless. Finally the girls dropped to their knees and begged him to let them go. And he gave a little speech, which my student translated for me. Apparently, he'd caught those girls picking someone's pocket, and he was giving them a lecture about the social contract, and how you couldn't run a society with their attitude, and what would happen to them if they kept it up. Then he let them go. I sent my student to capture this guy and ask him if he'd be willing to talk for a while with this big nosed ghost, and he came over and sat down. He was blind! In China, they train blind men to do massage, so I became his weekly client. But he never would talk to me about his martial arts background. He was clearly a Daoist, though---that informed all his conversations with me, as he sat on a low stool and massaged my feet. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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Curtis: Did you ever read Jasper Becker's Hungry Ghosts; Mao's Secret Famine? http://tinyurl.com/2esomb --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angela, First of all I am fascinated with China. What an interesting life you must have had there! I know it only through Chinese friends and reading. I went through a rather obsessive period of reading stories of people who lived through the Cultural Revolution and the life of Mao. It kind of blew all my previous worries about how the TM organization operates out the window. Not because there aren't parallels, there are. But the scale and magnitude of what went down in China dwarfed the movement's influence so much I stopped caring about it so much. Now to your interesting story... When I used to practice martial arts I used to get paired with blue collar workers who had spent the day loading flats of plants as landscapers. The first time one of them grabbed me it seemed like a supernatural force. Their hands were so hardened from their years of labor that, compared to my lily whites,their grip was monstrous. As much as I train and weight lift, I never have achieved the natural strength of guys who earn a living with their bodies. So my first thought is that this guy may have worked physically hard all his life. If this guy did massage for a living, he had arms and grip that could easily control, not only these young girls, but almost anyone who didn't spend all day, every day working physically. Even at his advanced age those girls were no match. People who work outside can look much older than they are. My Shanghaiese buddy is only 10 years older than I am but he looks like he could be my dad. He spent the Cultural Revolution on a farm and it aged him terribly. The first time my Judo teacher shoved me with his whole body, it was like a truck hit me. Same with when he would pull me with his whole body engaged. It seemed supernatural to me until I learned to do it myself. Next these girls were probably not willing to really take on an elder after having committed a crime right? The implication of really decking the old guy would probably bring some consequences. So they may have been playing a bit rather then really going all out to resist him. This guy would have had a different experience with some of the homegirls in my neighborhood who wouldn't have given him any respect. The different levels of blindness can account for an ability to recognize shapes enough to grab a thing as big as a human. Finally, due to the fact that it was almost as if it was a show for your benefit, I can't rule out that it was not a bit of street hustle. Although you sent someone over to him, if you hadn't, he might have approached you. The chances that you would be a higher paying customer than a Chinese person makes such a display very worthwhile. I have had a team of street hustlers in DC approach me in a choreographed sequence, contrived spontaneity. It is quite convincing and dangerous. One lady in the group was pushing a baby in a baby carriage, how disarming is that! None of my speculations makes your story less interesting Angela. I am not attempting to explain what happened, just some possibilities that come to my mind. Thanks for asking for our POVs on this personal experience. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: I saw a pretty amazing guy in China do some things I'd have thought good work on the part of the special effects people in a movie. I'll describe briefly what he did and then I'd like your thoughts on what that was all about. I was sitting on a bench with a student in downtown Zhenjiang, a crowded place, when I noticed a guy starting to cross the square. He was very very old. No telling how old, but eighties at least if not nineties. And there was something strange about the way he walked--like he was in a different movie from the rest of us in which time moved more slowly or like he was walking on the moon where there's less gravity or under water. When he got opposite us, he was suddenly involved with three strong young girls, late teens, early twenties. He was juggling them--it's the only way I can put it. They tried to get away. He'd hold two of them, one in each hand, and the third one would try to run. Then he'd grab her, letting another one loose, who tried to run, but he'd grab her, letting another one loose, and so on. He made it look effortless. Finally the girls dropped to their knees and begged him to let them go. And he gave a little speech, which my student translated for me. Apparently, he'd caught those girls picking someone's pocket, and he was giving them a lecture about the social contract, and how you couldn't run a society with their attitude, and what would happen to
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Are you not quite believing my story? Those girls were big strong girls who had also done their share of physical labor and they worked hard and pulled no punches I could see. They were afraid that the scene would bring the cops and they were doing all they could to get out of Dodge. The man was as old as he looked. I went to see him twice a week after that for two years and got to know him very well. We had long conversations and became good friends. A show for my benefit would not be beyond to the Chinese to try to pull off. And they're good at it. But, like I said, I got to know this man well. And so, no, this was not street theater. At least not in the sense of something almost fraudulent, as you're suggesting. How blind was he? He was blind from birth. There's a book by a Frenchman who was blinded in an accident when he was a child. I forget how old he was. He became one of the important organizers of the French Resistance against the Germans. I'd read that book before going to China, so when I met Wu Zhaoqi, I told him the story. He recognized some of those experiences of light in the head. But exactly how blind was Wu Zhaoqi? He had to have someone point his hand at the candle, but then he could put it out from across the room. He was a simple and very humble man--the sort of humility I have never seen in the West. curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angela, First of all I am fascinated with China. What an interesting life you must have had there! I know it only through Chinese friends and reading. I went through a rather obsessive period of reading stories of people who lived through the Cultural Revolution and the life of Mao. It kind of blew all my previous worries about how the TM organization operates out the window. Not because there aren't parallels, there are. But the scale and magnitude of what went down in China dwarfed the movement's influence so much I stopped caring about it so much. Now to your interesting story... When I used to practice martial arts I used to get paired with blue collar workers who had spent the day loading flats of plants as landscapers. The first time one of them grabbed me it seemed like a supernatural force. Their hands were so hardened from their years of labor that, compared to my lily whites,their grip was monstrous. As much as I train and weight lift, I never have achieved the natural strength of guys who earn a living with their bodies. So my first thought is that this guy may have worked physically hard all his life. If this guy did massage for a living, he had arms and grip that could easily control, not only these young girls, but almost anyone who didn't spend all day, every day working physically. Even at his advanced age those girls were no match. People who work outside can look much older than they are. My Shanghaiese buddy is only 10 years older than I am but he looks like he could be my dad. He spent the Cultural Revolution on a farm and it aged him terribly. The first time my Judo teacher shoved me with his whole body, it was like a truck hit me. Same with when he would pull me with his whole body engaged. It seemed supernatural to me until I learned to do it myself. Next these girls were probably not willing to really take on an elder after having committed a crime right? The implication of really decking the old guy would probably bring some consequences. So they may have been playing a bit rather then really going all out to resist him. This guy would have had a different experience with some of the homegirls in my neighborhood who wouldn't have given him any respect. The different levels of blindness can account for an ability to recognize shapes enough to grab a thing as big as a human. Finally, due to the fact that it was almost as if it was a show for your benefit, I can't rule out that it was not a bit of street hustle. Although you sent someone over to him, if you hadn't, he might have approached you. The chances that you would be a higher paying customer than a Chinese person makes such a display very worthwhile. I have had a team of street hustlers in DC approach me in a choreographed sequence, contrived spontaneity. It is quite convincing and dangerous. One lady in the group was pushing a baby in a baby carriage, how disarming is that! None of my speculations makes your story less interesting Angela. I am not attempting to explain what happened, just some possibilities that come to my mind. Thanks for asking for our POVs on this personal experience. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw a pretty amazing guy in China do some things I'd have thought good work on the part of the special effects people in a movie. I'll describe briefly what he did and then I'd like your thoughts on what that was
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TurquoiseB wrote: Yep. The parallels between belief in magical abilities through siddhis and the belief in magical abilities through the martial arts is a strong one. As is the posturing we see in those who still believe the PR despite decades in the study without ever seeing even one demonstration of the myths. As a general rule in the martial arts, anyone who talks about how well they can kick ass can't. :-) Pretty much the same phenomenon as those who talk a lot about their darshan and how power- fully they can affect others' spiritual progress. The more talk, the less effect IMO. The few teachers I've encountered who seemed to really have some extraordinary abilities going for them -- either in the martial arts or in the realm of consciousness -- were pretty quiet about it. It was about action, not talk. And *after* the action, they never mentioned it again or tried to milk it for any PR or credit. They just did their jobs. Freddy Rama, your teacher, was a black belt!
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you not quite believing my story? Truth is often stranger than fiction Angela, and you were there, I wasn't. It sounds like a fascinating relationship with an amazing person. Those girls were big strong girls who had also done their share of physical labor and they worked hard and pulled no punches I could see. They were afraid that the scene would bring the cops and they were doing all they could to get out of Dodge. The man was as old as he looked. I went to see him twice a week after that for two years and got to know him very well. We had long conversations and became good friends. A show for my benefit would not be beyond to the Chinese to try to pull off. And they're good at it. But, like I said, I got to know this man well. And so, no, this was not street theater. At least not in the sense of something almost fraudulent, as you're suggesting. How blind was he? He was blind from birth. There's a book by a Frenchman who was blinded in an accident when he was a child. I forget how old he was. He became one of the important organizers of the French Resistance against the Germans. I'd read that book before going to China, so when I met Wu Zhaoqi, I told him the story. He recognized some of those experiences of light in the head. But exactly how blind was Wu Zhaoqi? He had to have someone point his hand at the candle, but then he could put it out from across the room. He was a simple and very humble man--the sort of humility I have never seen in the West. curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angela, First of all I am fascinated with China. What an interesting life you must have had there! I know it only through Chinese friends and reading. I went through a rather obsessive period of reading stories of people who lived through the Cultural Revolution and the life of Mao. It kind of blew all my previous worries about how the TM organization operates out the window. Not because there aren't parallels, there are. But the scale and magnitude of what went down in China dwarfed the movement's influence so much I stopped caring about it so much. Now to your interesting story... When I used to practice martial arts I used to get paired with blue collar workers who had spent the day loading flats of plants as landscapers. The first time one of them grabbed me it seemed like a supernatural force. Their hands were so hardened from their years of labor that, compared to my lily whites,their grip was monstrous. As much as I train and weight lift, I never have achieved the natural strength of guys who earn a living with their bodies. So my first thought is that this guy may have worked physically hard all his life. If this guy did massage for a living, he had arms and grip that could easily control, not only these young girls, but almost anyone who didn't spend all day, every day working physically. Even at his advanced age those girls were no match. People who work outside can look much older than they are. My Shanghaiese buddy is only 10 years older than I am but he looks like he could be my dad. He spent the Cultural Revolution on a farm and it aged him terribly. The first time my Judo teacher shoved me with his whole body, it was like a truck hit me. Same with when he would pull me with his whole body engaged. It seemed supernatural to me until I learned to do it myself. Next these girls were probably not willing to really take on an elder after having committed a crime right? The implication of really decking the old guy would probably bring some consequences. So they may have been playing a bit rather then really going all out to resist him. This guy would have had a different experience with some of the homegirls in my neighborhood who wouldn't have given him any respect. The different levels of blindness can account for an ability to recognize shapes enough to grab a thing as big as a human. Finally, due to the fact that it was almost as if it was a show for your benefit, I can't rule out that it was not a bit of street hustle. Although you sent someone over to him, if you hadn't, he might have approached you. The chances that you would be a higher paying customer than a Chinese person makes such a display very worthwhile. I have had a team of street hustlers in DC approach me in a choreographed sequence, contrived spontaneity. It is quite convincing and dangerous. One lady in the group was pushing a baby in a baby carriage, how disarming is that! None of my speculations makes your story less interesting Angela. I am not attempting to explain what happened, just some possibilities that come to my mind. Thanks for asking for our POVs on this personal experience. --- In
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis: Did you ever read Jasper Becker's Hungry Ghosts; Mao's Secret Famine? Oh yeah! Really a powerful book. I also dug the one by his personal physician. The guy lived like a rock star with hundreds of groupies at dances for him every night. But he wouldn't wash or brush his green teeth! There are quite a few first person accounts of people who survived the Cultural Revolution whose titles I have forgotten. http://tinyurl.com/2esomb --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Angela, First of all I am fascinated with China. What an interesting life you must have had there! I know it only through Chinese friends and reading. I went through a rather obsessive period of reading stories of people who lived through the Cultural Revolution and the life of Mao. It kind of blew all my previous worries about how the TM organization operates out the window. Not because there aren't parallels, there are. But the scale and magnitude of what went down in China dwarfed the movement's influence so much I stopped caring about it so much. Now to your interesting story... When I used to practice martial arts I used to get paired with blue collar workers who had spent the day loading flats of plants as landscapers. The first time one of them grabbed me it seemed like a supernatural force. Their hands were so hardened from their years of labor that, compared to my lily whites,their grip was monstrous. As much as I train and weight lift, I never have achieved the natural strength of guys who earn a living with their bodies. So my first thought is that this guy may have worked physically hard all his life. If this guy did massage for a living, he had arms and grip that could easily control, not only these young girls, but almost anyone who didn't spend all day, every day working physically. Even at his advanced age those girls were no match. People who work outside can look much older than they are. My Shanghaiese buddy is only 10 years older than I am but he looks like he could be my dad. He spent the Cultural Revolution on a farm and it aged him terribly. The first time my Judo teacher shoved me with his whole body, it was like a truck hit me. Same with when he would pull me with his whole body engaged. It seemed supernatural to me until I learned to do it myself. Next these girls were probably not willing to really take on an elder after having committed a crime right? The implication of really decking the old guy would probably bring some consequences. So they may have been playing a bit rather then really going all out to resist him. This guy would have had a different experience with some of the homegirls in my neighborhood who wouldn't have given him any respect. The different levels of blindness can account for an ability to recognize shapes enough to grab a thing as big as a human. Finally, due to the fact that it was almost as if it was a show for your benefit, I can't rule out that it was not a bit of street hustle. Although you sent someone over to him, if you hadn't, he might have approached you. The chances that you would be a higher paying customer than a Chinese person makes such a display very worthwhile. I have had a team of street hustlers in DC approach me in a choreographed sequence, contrived spontaneity. It is quite convincing and dangerous. One lady in the group was pushing a baby in a baby carriage, how disarming is that! None of my speculations makes your story less interesting Angela. I am not attempting to explain what happened, just some possibilities that come to my mind. Thanks for asking for our POVs on this personal experience. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: I saw a pretty amazing guy in China do some things I'd have thought good work on the part of the special effects people in a movie. I'll describe briefly what he did and then I'd like your thoughts on what that was all about. I was sitting on a bench with a student in downtown Zhenjiang, a crowded place, when I noticed a guy starting to cross the square. He was very very old. No telling how old, but eighties at least if not nineties. And there was something strange about the way he walked--like he was in a different movie from the rest of us in which time moved more slowly or like he was walking on the moon where there's less gravity or under water. When he got opposite us, he was suddenly involved with three strong young girls, late teens, early twenties. He was juggling them--it's the only way I can put it. They tried to get away. He'd hold two of them, one in each hand, and the
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To Deltablues: I understand your skepticism. Vaj posted a story about some dude whom cameras couldn't capture on film because of some magical properties of his body. Then he vanished into thin air in a blast of light. I don't believe a word of it. Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: Yep. The parallels between belief in magical abilities through siddhis and the belief in magical abilities through the martial arts is a strong one. As is the posturing we see in those who still believe the PR despite decades in the study without ever seeing even one demonstration of the myths. As a general rule in the martial arts, anyone who talks about how well they can kick ass can't. :-) Pretty much the same phenomenon as those who talk a lot about their darshan and how power- fully they can affect others' spiritual progress. The more talk, the less effect IMO. The few teachers I've encountered who seemed to really have some extraordinary abilities going for them -- either in the martial arts or in the realm of consciousness -- were pretty quiet about it. It was about action, not talk. And *after* the action, they never mentioned it again or tried to milk it for any PR or credit. They just did their jobs. Freddy Rama, your teacher, was a black belt! Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: UFC 1-6 were the best! What a shock to all the karate/gung-fu one-punch-kills-all dudes. That's why I'm surprised that there are martial arts afficinados out there that still believe in some superduper secret school of one punch destroys all. Really quite silly. So Peter uses reasoning to deduce that if a very hard strike is given to the adam's apple, or the testicles, or the knees, or ankles, stomach, or break the jaw, that it is not dangerous and just carry on as if nothing happened. You and Curtis and the goons on UFC should get on stage with the Republican candidates for president that still believe the Earth was created 6,000 years ago. Get real imagine a hard strike to any number of places and understand --- you could die or be crippled temporarily. One strike is all it takes, and if you have not trained with that in mind...you are not a martial artist. Shotokan style Kmiti style competition is the only way to test a martial art. Other types of competition are mud- wrestling. OffWorld
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You cannot test martial arts without using a Kmiti Shotokan style competition. I am a little unclear on your point. The point cannot be clearer: There are a dozen places such as you adams apple - on the human body where a sharp blow could easily kill you. You cannot easily defend them all at once. You MUST be able to block a strike, and strike one of those points very hard. Anything else is a joke and you would get killed using anything else in a real situation. You cannot test martial arts without using a Kmiti Shotokan style competition. If any of those UFC goons came to a Kmiti fight most of them would be humbled completely (and some bloody noses). The only legitimate test of the efficacy of a martial art is Kmiti, where the fight is stopped after a strike. Best out of three strikes. Let's see them come to a Kmiti competition? ? ? C'mon, let's see if they are really as good as you say they are. Why won't they come? There are such competitions that are open to others, but your goons won't come because they are not true martial artists who train every muscle and cell... to block...and and then cripple. Shotokan has dominated such competitions in the past when other forms turned up to fight. Kmiti is the ONLY true test of a martial art. The rest is worse than mud- wrestling because it doesn't test anything. You have to stop the fight after one strike for it to be a legitimate test. One strike could easily kill someone, therefore breeching someone's defences makes your point. The fight stops. Best out of three wins. All you are proving is your usual incapacity for rational thinking (as you do when you criticize something proven by scientific research published in peer reviewed journals ). You are making a fool of yourself if you think those goons of yours are kneeing someone in the face over and over again with full force. ROTFLMFA ! People would die if what you are watching was real ! It is all a stupid ratings show. Nothing more. OffWorld
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, what is the redeeming value of this demonstration, this thread - - the flagrantly ruthless wanton and rampant beastiality of moral retards, from whom we must learn to defend ourselves? Pay attention: True karate is this: that in daily life one's mind and body be trained and developed in a spirit of humility, and that in critical times, one be devoted utterly to the cause of justice. --Gichin Funakoshi OffWorld *Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most valuable thing to cultivate and convey to others is a moral conscience. Only such persons deserve to lead others, in any capacity. Anything less is a menace to society. * On 11/29/07, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: UFC 1-6 were the best! What a shock to all the karate/gung-fu one-punch-kills-all dudes. That's why I'm surprised that there are martial arts afficinados out there that still believe in some superduper secret school of one punch destroys all. Really quite silly. So Peter uses reasoning to deduce that if a very hard strike is given to the adam's apple, or the testicles, or the knees, or ankles, stomach, or break the jaw, that it is not dangerous and just carry on as if nothing happened. You and Curtis and the goons on UFC should get on stage with the Republican candidates for president that still believe the Earth was created 6,000 years ago. Get real imagine a hard strike to any number of places and understand --- you could die or be crippled temporarily. One strike is all it takes, and if you have not trained with that in mind...you are not a martial artist. Shotokan style Kmiti style competition is the only way to test a martial art. Other types of competition are mud- wrestling. OffWorld
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: You cannot test martial arts without using a Kmiti Shotokan style competition. I am a little unclear on your point. The point cannot be clearer: There are a dozen places such as you adams apple - on the human body where a sharp blow could easily kill you. I just finished seeing the DVD of the movie Waitress directed by Adrienne Shelley. When I got to the bonus features section, there one one feature titled Adrienne Shelley, in memorium. So I googled her name and it turns out that this 40-year old mother/director/actress was in her Greenwich Village apartment and the 19-year-old fellow in the apartment directly below her was making too much noise so she went down to confront him, they exchanged words, she slapped him (according to him), he punched her once and killed her... So it can, indeed, take one well-placed punch... See: http://tinyurl.com/yg98xe You cannot easily defend them all at once. You MUST be able to block a strike, and strike one of those points very hard. Anything else is a joke and you would get killed using anything else in a real situation. You cannot test martial arts without using a Kmiti Shotokan style competition. If any of those UFC goons came to a Kmiti fight most of them would be humbled completely (and some bloody noses). The only legitimate test of the efficacy of a martial art is Kmiti, where the fight is stopped after a strike. Best out of three strikes. Let's see them come to a Kmiti competition? ? ? C'mon, let's see if they are really as good as you say they are. Why won't they come? There are such competitions that are open to others, but your goons won't come because they are not true martial artists who train every muscle and cell... to block...and and then cripple. Shotokan has dominated such competitions in the past when other forms turned up to fight. Kmiti is the ONLY true test of a martial art. The rest is worse than mud- wrestling because it doesn't test anything. You have to stop the fight after one strike for it to be a legitimate test. One strike could easily kill someone, therefore breeching someone's defences makes your point. The fight stops. Best out of three wins. All you are proving is your usual incapacity for rational thinking (as you do when you criticize something proven by scientific research published in peer reviewed journals ). You are making a fool of yourself if you think those goons of yours are kneeing someone in the face over and over again with full force. ROTFLMFA ! People would die if what you are watching was real ! It is all a stupid ratings show. Nothing more. OffWorld
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Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?
So, what is the redeeming value of this demonstration, this thread -- the flagrantly ruthless wanton and rampant beastiality of moral retards, from whom we must learn to defend ourselves? *Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most valuable thing to cultivate and convey to others is a moral conscience. Only such persons deserve to lead others, in any capacity. Anything less is a menace to society. * On 11/29/07, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: UFC 1-6 were the best! What a shock to all the karate/gung-fu one-punch-kills-all dudes. That's why I'm surprised that there are martial arts afficinados out there that still believe in some superduper secret school of one punch destroys all. Really quite silly. So Peter uses reasoning to deduce that if a very hard strike is given to the adam's apple, or the testicles, or the knees, or ankles, stomach, or break the jaw, that it is not dangerous and just carry on as if nothing happened. You and Curtis and the goons on UFC should get on stage with the Republican candidates for president that still believe the Earth was created 6,000 years ago. Get real imagine a hard strike to any number of places and understand --- you could die or be crippled temporarily. One strike is all it takes, and if you have not trained with that in mind...you are not a martial artist. Shotokan style Kmiti style competition is the only way to test a martial art. Other types of competition are mud- wrestling. OffWorld
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had a team of street hustlers in DC approach me in a choreographed sequence, contrived spontaneity. It is quite convincing and dangerous. One lady in the group was pushing a baby in a baby carriage, how disarming is that! Lurk: How does that work. I love a good story. Wait, let me pull up a chair. Okay, ready. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I have had a team of street hustlers in DC approach me in a choreographed sequence, contrived spontaneity. It is quite convincing and dangerous. One lady in the group was pushing a baby in a baby carriage, how disarming is that! Lurk: How does that work. I love a good story. Wait, let me pull up a chair. Okay, ready. Black guys approaches me on H street in DC up the street from the old College of Natural Law. He tells me his Navy ship just pulled into Baltimore Harbor that day and he had a 24 hour leave. He reached in his pocket and pulled out a huge wad of bills, bigger than a softball, waves it in front of me and tells me that with only 24 hours he needs a local to help him find a hooker. And he tells me that he is willing to part with a chunk of that big wad to the guy who helps him find a girl, been on the ship for 6 months and all and ready to ship out for another 3 the next day. His eyes are clear and sincere, he holds my gaze without flinching. I like him almost instantly, he is radiating familiarity like I went to school with him or something. He needs my help in the worst way if I would only show a little compassion for a sailor in need, serving his country and in need of a little pussy for one night, hell the drinks are on him, we can all party together he has so much money to burn he doesn't care if he lays a few hundred on me he'll buy me a girl too if I want and where is he going to spend money in the middle of the ocean on a US Navy ship and can't I help a brother in need for God's sake, he only has one night... I start to back off and tell him that he doesn't need my help in the Capital city. He will do fine on his own. Just then a woman rolls up with a baby in a baby carriage, kinda blocks me in with it and joins the conversation. She tells me that we shouldn't miss this chance to work a deal and that she knows some Howard University college girls who turn tricks on the side. She needs my help cuz she has this baby see, and we can both make a bunch of money in such a short time, yessereee we would be fools to pass up a chance to make a few hundred dollars for almost no work at all, if I wont take the free money she certainly will, she is no fool... I realize that my ass is now in a sling with two people who wish me harm and who knows who else in the wings, so I briskly walk away cutting across moving traffic to get the F out of Dodge. It was only later that I contemplated whether I saw a man pull out a huge wad of bills or a man pulling out a few bills on the outside of a partial roll of toilet paper. Greed was the hook, and I didn't take the bait. But I learned a nice little lesson for the street. Now if someone asks me for the time, I step back first and look around me. Then I give them the time. I never take for granted the power of more than one person with me in their sights. Thanks for asking Lurk. I hope it did not disappoint. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I learned a nice little lesson for the street. Now if someone asks me for the time, I step back first and look around me. Then I give them the time. I never take for granted the power of more than one person with me in their sights. Thanks for asking Lurk. I hope it did not disappoint. Lurk: No, not at all. So the goal was to rob you at some point? My Uncle got caught up in a gambling scam. Unfortunately he took the bait. I can't remember all the details, (will have to ask my Dad), but they got him into a hotel room and at some point he is 10, 20 thousand in the hole. (after being way up of course) I forget how he got out of it, but somehow he did. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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snip I agree, You picked out two of the least technical fighters in UFC. But both are champions for another reason, heart. There have been Karate masters of all schools in the octagon. Incorrect. You don't know a Master ehen you see one because you have not practiced Shotokan and understood what one looks like. There has never been a Shotokan master in the Octagon. Lets see over 70 UFCs, Pride which is based in Japan had about 60, and K1 has evolved from a full contact Karate tournament into mixed martial arts, all of these opportunities to test the claims of Shotokan and no one has stepped up to do so? That says a lot right there. You may be right about no one specifically from Shotokan but many hard Ki karate master have fought in these tournaments. As I'm sure you know the history of Karate in Japan, you will understand my lack of interest in whatever distinction you are trying to draw between hard KI styles. The point is that no striking based martial art alone works in these tests. The hidden masters who refuse to fight are not fighting for a reason. They have enough students using only Jaw-Jitsu and they look like badasses with one their one move drills. They are, no doubt, all badasses compared to me. But you don't see me in the Octagon either. I would be curious to know how well traditional martial arts schools are doing. Mixed martial arts is even bigger in Japan than it is here. My guess is that the young fighters are drifting from traditional one system schools and the old guys are too old to compete. So we may never see the match up of someone you would consider a pure Shotokan master in a MMA event. I'm glad you checked out some UFC fighters. You picked two of the least technical strikers, but you see the effectiveness of getting good at a few techniques under pressure. Have you ever been put in a traditional Muay Thai, two hands behind your neck, clinch? Shotokan has an instant techniqque for getting out of it is a split secidn and applying to devestating blows intantaneously in two seperate and lethat areas before the grappler knows he has lost the grip. Muay Thai Boxing, the national sport of Thailand is a striking art not a grappling art. Every complete martial art has counters to this move including Muay Thai. It is executing the counter that is the hard part. Have you ever seen a Shotokan Karate master use his counter against a professional Thai fighter? No? So this is just something you know without having it tested I guess? Mixed martial arts tournaments have given us empirical data on what works by testing all the traditional theories. I have. Mercifully it was not followed by the knees that meet your face as it is pulled down by the full force of a man's latimus dorsi muscles as the knee is kicked up. Lol...ridiculous. A Shotokan fighter could not be pulled down like that and would be out of that grip before the grappler know ehat happened. It is humbling to actually be in such a clinch. Much easier to know what you would do. But you may be right. If a clinch to set up knee strikes don't work, a Thai fighter just kicks you with low kicks until you lose your base. Then you get one in the head. (I know, Shotokan masters never get kicked anywhere by anyone. I've got your perspective down now.) snip I have nothing but respect for the Shotakan warriors who go full contact. They are true martial artists. And all the best of them are now training in ground fighting and other cross training if they want to continue to grow. There is a cloth of Brahman in martial arts now. It is woven out of the threads of individual arts. Shotakan is a legitimate thread. My prediction that a true Shotoakan master will appear and annihilate the rest will occur and you will witness it with awe. I look forward to it. I'll add this to my stuff that's gunna happen list. I use a special roll of soft paper to write down this type of claim. So is Muay Thai and so is Jiu jitsu. You need to have all of them in the Bruce Lee perspective of integrating all the traditional martial arts into a real fighting style. Shotokan already has all the other styles integrated. Name one move that you think is not used in Shotokan and you will find it is. The only difference is that some of them are used only in minimal and more effective ways. They are all in there, you just haven't seen them all. And you know this by not studying any other martial art I'm gunna guess. Sounds like a TM claim imposed on martial arts. Bruce Lee didn't hold this view. He believed that each martial art had strengths and weaknesses but that the practitioners of traditional forms were blind to this reality. Mixed martial arts has fulfilled his dream for an empirical way to test the grandiose claims of each style. The results are in, you have to know a lot about a few different systems today. If what
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I agree, You picked out two of the least technical fighters in UFC. But both are champions for another reason, heart. There have been Karate masters of all schools in the octagon. Incorrect. You don't know a Master ehen you see one because you have not practiced Shotokan and understood what one looks like. There has never been a Shotokan master in the Octagon. Lets see over 70 UFCs, Pride which is based in Japan had about 60, and K1 has evolved from a full contact Karate tournament into mixed martial arts, all of these opportunities to test the claims of Shotokan and no one has stepped up to do so? That says a lot right there. You may be right about no one specifically from Shotokan but many hard Ki karate master have fought in these tournaments. You don't understand Shotokan or martial arts Curtis. Go practice it for 3 or 4 years, 5 or 6 hard and heafty sessions a week, then get back to me. Then you will understand better what a martial art really is and how those competitions cannot possibly test what it is designed for. It is designed SPECIFICALLY to block and then kill on the second blow, third blow on a bad day. Get it yet. That's it. Its not designed for TV ratings bullshit. What you are talking about is like racing a race car against a bicycle, only the race car has no gas in it. Come back in 4 years when you have studied the topic properly. I enjoyed having this manly man conversation over beer nuts with you Off. I'm starting to get you a little better. Kind of a Yosemite Sam kind of dude aren't you? Entertaining for sure. More of a mix between Bugs Bunny and a little Popeye when I eat ma spinach ! You sound more like 'Dylan' from the children's cartoon the Magic Roundabout, but you yanks won't know that. He's the scruffy hippy dude that hangs out under a tree smking dope and playin' geetar. In closing: HYyyyaa ! Ooooeeeoo... (Shotakan never EVER make noises like those, I was just playin' cartoon karate wit' ya.) OffWorld
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You don't understand Shotokan or martial arts Curtis. Go practice it for 3 or 4 years, 5 or 6 hard and heafty sessions a week, then get back to me. Then you will understand better what a martial art really is and how those competitions cannot possibly test what it is designed for. It is designed SPECIFICALLY to block and then kill on the second blow, third blow on a bad day. Get it yet. That's it. Its not designed for TV ratings bullshit. What you are talking about is like racing a race car against a bicycle, only the race car has no gas in it. Come back in 4 years when you have studied the topic properly. My martial arts drug of choice was Jiu Jitsu and I did train hard for about 4 years. First I trained in a mixed martial arts dojo that combined Russian Sambo, Akido, Judo, Tae Kwan Do with Japanese Jiu-jitsu. It was the closest thing to the Brazilian Jiu jitsu that I really wanted to study. I was using tapes and private instruction to test the Brazilian style with what my dojo was teaching and it really came out well. Once a true Brazilian Jiu jitsu studio opened, I left my own dojo right before my brown belt test to become a white belt again. As Bruce Lee said a black belt is useful to hold up your pants.) After about a year and two shoulder dislocations I had to admit that fighting guys in their 20's in my 40's really wasn't sustainable. But I still train occasionally with friends and love the sport. I was never interested in serious striking skills. With grappling I could go balls out without as much damage. But the first UFC's really were practically no rules, so there is no reason why karate guys couldn't be tested for real. Now they use gloves to protect the hand bones and it makes striking more effective while making grappling a littler harder. I think there is something more profound than TV ratings going on, but this sport isn't for everyone. I have never seen any evidence for the one strike one kill myth in karate anywhere in any fighting system I have seen. I think it is a story like yogis flying in the air. Well I probably give it a higher probability than flying, but you get my point. I wouldn't characterize myself as a dope smoking hippie under a tree. My singing business keeps me clear of all smoke and I work out almost every day. My guitar style is very physical so I have to train hard to perform solo, let alone lugging my gear in an out of shows. Exercise is the fountain of youth. I know you understand with your own active lifestyle. So we can agree that we enjoy our own martial arts choices. That seems good enough for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip I agree, You picked out two of the least technical fighters in UFC. But both are champions for another reason, heart. There have been Karate masters of all schools in the octagon. Incorrect. You don't know a Master ehen you see one because you have not practiced Shotokan and understood what one looks like. There has never been a Shotokan master in the Octagon. Lets see over 70 UFCs, Pride which is based in Japan had about 60, and K1 has evolved from a full contact Karate tournament into mixed martial arts, all of these opportunities to test the claims of Shotokan and no one has stepped up to do so? That says a lot right there. You may be right about no one specifically from Shotokan but many hard Ki karate master have fought in these tournaments. You don't understand Shotokan or martial arts Curtis. Go practice it for 3 or 4 years, 5 or 6 hard and heafty sessions a week, then get back to me. Then you will understand better what a martial art really is and how those competitions cannot possibly test what it is designed for. It is designed SPECIFICALLY to block and then kill on the second blow, third blow on a bad day. Get it yet. That's it. Its not designed for TV ratings bullshit. What you are talking about is like racing a race car against a bicycle, only the race car has no gas in it. Come back in 4 years when you have studied the topic properly. I enjoyed having this manly man conversation over beer nuts with you Off. I'm starting to get you a little better. Kind of a Yosemite Sam kind of dude aren't you? Entertaining for sure. More of a mix between Bugs Bunny and a little Popeye when I eat ma spinach ! You sound more like 'Dylan' from the children's cartoon the Magic Roundabout, but you yanks won't know that. He's the scruffy hippy dude that hangs out under a tree smking dope and playin' geetar. In closing: HYyyyaa ! Ooooeeeoo... (Shotakan never EVER make noises like those, I was just playin' cartoon karate wit' ya.) OffWorld
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You don't understand Shotokan or martial arts Curtis. Go practice it for 3 or 4 years, 5 or 6 hard and heafty sessions a week, then get back to me. Then you will understand better what a martial art really is and how those competitions cannot possibly test what it is designed for. It is designed SPECIFICALLY to block and then kill on the second blow, third blow on a bad day. Get it yet. That's it. I have never seen any evidence for the one strike one kill myth in karate anywhere in any fighting system I have seen. Ok, with my hands tied behind my back, I will strike you in the adams apple really hard, while you try to stop me. Wanna try it sometime? I bet you don't because no SMART person wants to be in a fight with someone aiming hard for some place like that. If you don't think that could EASILY kill you with one hard strike you are a fool. C'mon, someone back me up here ! This is obvious . If you don't have a strong jock strap on then that might be the other place that gets hit and yes, people can joke about it, but it can kill you too. (Ladies in Shotokan are taught techniques for this early on, to stop would be rapists etc.)But it might be your knees getting broken in one blow instead. You just never know. Can you protect all three at once? Shotokan is designed SPECIFICALLY to block and then kill on the second blow, third blow on a bad day. Get it yet? That's it. There are also other spots that are just a dangerous. Let one strike in, in true martial arts, and the true matial artist knows the goal of the whole system has been achieved. So the fight stops immediately in kmiti. I was just kiddin' about the dope smokin' hippy thing. Gawd, lighten up. Outta here, I am skiing today, then working on computer, then skiing some more. Its what I would call Heaven on Earth. I will like to hear your music one day if you ever come to Vermont, and we'll get a pint of Old Thumper after and have a laugh. OffWorld
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: You don't understand Shotokan or martial arts Curtis. Go practice it for 3 or 4 years, 5 or 6 hard and heafty sessions a week, then get back to me. Then you will understand better what a martial art really is and how those competitions cannot possibly test what it is designed for. It is designed SPECIFICALLY to block and then kill on the second blow, third blow on a bad day. Get it yet. That's it. I have never seen any evidence for the one strike one kill myth in karate anywhere in any fighting system I have seen. Ok, with my hands tied behind my back, I will strike you in the adams apple really hard, while you try to stop me. Wanna try it sometime? I bet you don't because no SMART person wants to be in a fight with someone aiming hard for some place like that. If you don't think that could EASILY kill you with one hard strike you are a fool. C'mon, someone back me up here ! This is obvious . I had to wait this long for an across the Internet fight challenge! Damn I was beginning to fell unappreciated. Hands tied behind your back was a nice touch! If you define one strike as more than one strike to set it up then I agree. There are places that can knock a person out and even kill them if lots of things go wrong at once. But the thing is that every striking school starts day one with tuck your chin. It isn't so easy to hit someone's throat outside of a sucker punch. That is why most strikers use combinations to hit something vulnerable. There are plenty of trachea crush moves in grappling but you really don't need to do more than block the arteries for a few moments to put someone to sleep. Permanent damage isn't necessary to prove a point. Same with nad shots, it is harder than it looks. snip Can you protect all three at once? I can't think of a single martial art that isn't designed to do so. It is kind of fighting 101. Shotokan is designed SPECIFICALLY to block and then kill on the second blow, third blow on a bad day. Get it yet? That's it. There are also other spots that are just a dangerous. Let one strike in, in true martial arts, and the true matial artist knows the goal of the whole system has been achieved. So the fight stops immediately in kmiti. Liver and kidney shots are a bitch. I think we are on the same page as long as you have set up combinations to make it happen. If someone is watching TV and you go all Kato on his ass then maybe you could do the one shot trick. I hope you don't go as far as the Dim Mak myth do you? That would be disappointing. I was just kiddin' about the dope smokin' hippy thing. Gawd, lighten up. I'm learning to catch your groove. Rick's obvious affection for you made me think I was not appreciating you properly. Outta here, I am skiing today, then working on computer, then skiing some more. Its what I would call Heaven on Earth. Amen to that! I will like to hear your music one day if you ever come to Vermont, and we'll get a pint of Old Thumper after and have a laugh. Let's see, you liquored up at your place...mmm...well OK as long as we decide beforehand that the subject of martial arts is NOT gunna be raised and NO challenge matches! I'm sure you are a gas in person. OffWorld
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--- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have never seen any evidence for the one strike one kill myth in karate anywhere in any fighting system I have seen. I think it is a story like yogis flying in the air. Well I probably give it a higher probability than flying, but you get my point. I really would like to belief that such a thing is possible, but like you say, its like yogis flying through the air. I'd luv to see it, but I doubt it. For so many centuries these karate and kung-fu guys have been believing their own press releases. As you have noted, UFC and MMA competition put all this killer striking ability to rest pretty quickly. Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
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--- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Muay Thai Boxing, the national sport of Thailand is a striking art not a grappling art. Every complete martial art has counters to this move including Muay Thai. It is executing the counter that is the hard part. Have you ever seen a Shotokan Karate master use his counter against a professional Thai fighter? No? So this is just something you know without having it tested I guess? Mixed martial arts tournaments have given us empirical data on what works by testing all the traditional theories. Curtis, my neighbor (30 something guy) has trained in Muay Thai for several years. He works out a lot in his garage. I asked him to demonstrate some Muay Thai moves on me a while back. I'm an old judo guy so i do know somethings on the mat. My experience was like yours. That behind the neck lock-up is incredibly powerful. Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: You don't understand Shotokan or martial arts Curtis. Go practice it for 3 or 4 years, 5 or 6 hard and heafty sessions a week, then get back to me. Then you will understand better what a martial art really is and how those competitions cannot possibly test what it is designed for. It is designed SPECIFICALLY to block and then kill on the second blow, third blow on a bad day. Get it yet. That's it. I have never seen any evidence for the one strike one kill myth in karate anywhere in any fighting system I have seen. Ok, with my hands tied behind my back, I will strike you in the adams apple really hard, while you try to stop me. Wanna try it sometime? I bet you don't because no SMART person wants to be in a fight with someone aiming hard for some place like that. If you don't think that could EASILY kill you with one hard strike you are a fool. C'mon, someone back me up here ! This is obvious . I had to wait this long for an across the Internet fight challenge! Damn I was beginning to fell unappreciated. Hands tied behind your back was a nice touch! If you define one strike as more than one strike to set it up then I agree. Finally. SMACKDOWN ! There are places that can knock a person out and even kill them if lots of things go wrong at once. But the thing is that every striking school starts day one with tuck your chin. Lol ! Tuck in your balls too boy, and make sure your knee caps don't get smacked off with a foot. At the same time watch your ankles boy ! They are easily damaged. Cover your stomach and kidneys ! And do ALL OF THAT ALL AT ONCE, and make sure he doesn't break your jaw at the same time. And, watch out for your heart being smacked into heart attack. LOL...you are going to come into a fight scrunched up like a worm ball and then...you get swept off your feet in an instant and your jaw broken in the second strike. I would like to see ANY of the UFC goons come to a kmiti style shotokan fight and win. A couple of them could do well, but most of those goons would be too slow to know what happened and why they are suddently looking at the lights on the ceiling. I will like to hear your music one day if you ever come to Vermont, and we'll get a pint of Old Thumper after and have a laugh. Let's see, you liquored up at your place...mmm...well OK as long as we decide beforehand that the subject of martial arts is NOT gunna be raised and NO challenge matches! I'm sure you are a gas in person. After a pint of old thumper there is bound to be a brawl, but it will likely end up more like these guys: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Yrtn0M9NKcA OffWorld
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Snip Curtis, my neighbor (30 something guy) has trained in Muay Thai for several years. He works out a lot in his garage. I asked him to demonstrate some Muay Thai moves on me a while back. I'm an old judo guy so i do know somethings on the mat. My experience was like yours. That behind the neck lock-up is incredibly powerful. Peter, I was wondering when you would join in! Yeah, I was blown away by the Muay Thai clinch's control even without eating knees which is how Rich Franklin experienced it a few UFC's back. I dig their low kicks too. Judo is such a great tough sport. I did a lot of Judo in my first school. Learning to fall in a relaxed state while being thrown was a religious quest for me. One class I asked my teacher to throw me 25 times in a row so I could begin to stay conscious enough to experience the throw. It really helped. I learned how to slide my hand on their GI as I was flying over them to slow down my impact. But even with that it is really hard on your body to get thrown. Not to mention all the nasty ways to accelerate a throw that would pop up with certain sadistic partners! Like my TM intensive days, I am really happy to have experienced it, and really happy I am not into it like that now. The discussion with Off really brings me back to all those debates when UFC 2 blew the lid off. Those were exciting times when a little Gracie ground game could give you a huge advantage in a classically trained Jiu jitsu or Judo dojo. Now the sport is at such a high level. Last year I hit the mat with a purple belt Gracie fighter who I used to train with in the mid 90's. Very quickly it became obvious that the world had passed me by, his skill level was so radically different, I couldn't do a single thing to slow down the inevitable. What a brilliant system of body chess! But I have fallen off the board and I can't get up! When he described all his injuries and how messed up his fingers are I remembered why I had accepted my fate and hung up my GI. These days IFC is on cable, the UFC reality show has fights every week, and the day after UFC you can catch the fights online for free. It is really blowing up as a sport. But 70 UFCs ago Royce Gracie changed the way I viewed martial arts forever. And I sure wasn't the only one! Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[FairfieldLife] Re: UFC Goons
Tuck in your balls too boy, and make sure your knee caps don't get smacked off with a foot. At the same time watch your ankles boy ! They are easily damaged. Cover your stomach and kidneys ! And do ALL OF THAT ALL AT ONCE, and make sure he doesn't break your jaw at the same time. And, watch out for your heart being smacked into heart attack. LOL...you are going to come into a fight scrunched up like a worm ball and then...you get swept off your feet in an instant and your jaw broken in the second strike. I would like to see ANY of the UFC goons come to a kmiti style shotokan fight and win. A couple of them could do well, but most of those goons would be too slow to know what happened and why they are suddently looking at the lights on the ceiling. You should check out Pride Fighting out of Japan. They have all sorts of lifelong karate guys fighting. It doesn't have to be Shotokan style. The right strike ends fights in a flash in UFC all the time. You don't curl in a ball to defend, you move in and out of range while striking yourself. For a straight line attack like traditional karate the movement is circular peppered with low kicks. All striking systems require a precise distance and angle to be powerful. That is why no one striking system owns UFC. Even striking focused fighters are all cross trained. But if I had a nickel for every time a striker's pre-fight interview included the phrase it will never go to the ground, before it does go to the ground, I would be rich. After a pint of old thumper there is bound to be a brawl, but it will likely end up more like these guys: That video was the funniest thing I have seen all week. I will like to hear your music one day if you ever come to Vermont, and we'll get a pint of Old Thumper after and have a laugh. Let's see, you liquored up at your place...mmm...well OK as long as we decide beforehand that the subject of martial arts is NOT gunna be raised and NO challenge matches! I'm sure you are a gas in person. After a pint of old thumper there is bound to be a brawl, but it will likely end up more like these guys: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Yrtn0M9NKcA OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: UFC Goons
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It doesn't have to be Shotokan style. The right strike ends fights in a flash in UFC all the time. You don't curl in a ball to defend, you move in and out of range while striking yourself. For a straight line attack like traditional karate the movement is circular peppered with low kicks. That's the whole point. Peppering someone with inneffective side swipes with no power available behind them in a real situation is a joke. You might as well go play table tennis. Karate is designed to have the whole body and the force of every muscle in the body and the whole body lunging at full force to a cripple or kill spot at incredible speed. Anything else is a joke and you would get killed using anything else in a real situation. You cannot test martial arts without using a Kmiti Shotokan style competition. If any of those UFC people came to a Kmiti fight most of them would be humbled completely (and some bloody noses). The only legitimate test of the efficacy of a martial art is Kmiti, where the fight is stopped after a strike. Best out of three strikes. Otherwise it is a bar-room brawl and does not test what Shotokan is designed for. Instead of those goons claiming they can beat Shotokan at silly brawls that don't test what martial arts were designed for, let's see them come to a Kmiti competition. Shotokan has dominated such competitions in the past when other forms turned up to fight. Kmiti is the only true test of a martial art. The rest is worse than mud- wrestling because it doesn't test anything. You have to stop the fight after one strike for it to be a legitimate test. One strike could easily kill someone, and you are naive if you think it cannot. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: UFC Goons
You cannot test martial arts without using a Kmiti Shotokan style competition. I am a little unclear on your point. Is it that your Shotokan style is the bestest onliest realist ultimatist super duperist wowy dowiest toppermostist of the popermostist ultraist wammer jammerist supercalafracilisticexpialidoshisist fantabulous Mt. Everestic Vendantabulous martial art. (The one you studied) All other martial arts, not so much? Am I reading your fine point clearly? Let me summarize Off has the highest martial arts teaching. Everyone else, doesn't. Are we on the same page now? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: It doesn't have to be Shotokan style. The right strike ends fights in a flash in UFC all the time. You don't curl in a ball to defend, you move in and out of range while striking yourself. For a straight line attack like traditional karate the movement is circular peppered with low kicks. That's the whole point. Peppering someone with inneffective side swipes with no power available behind them in a real situation is a joke. You might as well go play table tennis. Karate is designed to have the whole body and the force of every muscle in the body and the whole body lunging at full force to a cripple or kill spot at incredible speed. Anything else is a joke and you would get killed using anything else in a real situation. You cannot test martial arts without using a Kmiti Shotokan style competition. If any of those UFC people came to a Kmiti fight most of them would be humbled completely (and some bloody noses). The only legitimate test of the efficacy of a martial art is Kmiti, where the fight is stopped after a strike. Best out of three strikes. Otherwise it is a bar-room brawl and does not test what Shotokan is designed for. Instead of those goons claiming they can beat Shotokan at silly brawls that don't test what martial arts were designed for, let's see them come to a Kmiti competition. Shotokan has dominated such competitions in the past when other forms turned up to fight. Kmiti is the only true test of a martial art. The rest is worse than mud- wrestling because it doesn't test anything. You have to stop the fight after one strike for it to be a legitimate test. One strike could easily kill someone, and you are naive if you think it cannot. OffWorld
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those UFC gorrilla goons are not even in the same league for speed, accuracy, and power, as true Shotokan. And half their stuff looks faked like Wrestling, otherwise, if it were remotely close to real, people would die using Shotokan for that UFC TV ratings kind of crap. I agree, You picked out two of the least technical fighters in UFC. But both are champions for another reason, heart. There have been Karate masters of all schools in the octagon. Incorrect. You don't know a Master ehen you see one because you have not practiced Shotokan and understood what one looks like. There has never been a Shotokan master in the Octagon. I'm glad you checked out some UFC fighters. You picked two of the least technical strikers, but you see the effectiveness of getting good at a few techniques under pressure. Have you ever been put in a traditional Muay Thai, two hands behind your neck, clinch? Shotokan has an instant techniqque for getting out of it is a split secidn and applying to devestating blows intantaneously in two seperate and lethat areas before the grappler knows he has lost the grip. I have. Mercifully it was not followed by the knees that meet your face as it is pulled down by the full force of a man's latimus dorsi muscles as the knee is kicked up. Lol...ridiculous. A Shotokan fighter could not be pulled down like that and would be out of that grip before the grappler know ehat happened. As I sparred in a Jiu Jitsu school with a guy with Muay Thai training I asked him about the famous Muay Thai clinch. He and I locked up. I was sure I could counter his moves. Next thing I knew I felt a supernatural pressure on my head and neck pulling it down. It was like a building pulling my head down and it happened in a split second. A Shotokan trained black belt would be out of it in a split second. I have nothing but respect for the Shotakan warriors who go full contact. They are true martial artists. And all the best of them are now training in ground fighting and other cross training if they want to continue to grow. There is a cloth of Brahman in martial arts now. It is woven out of the threads of individual arts. Shotakan is a legitimate thread. My prediction that a true Shotoakan master will appear and annihilate the rest will occur and you will witness it with awe. So is Muay Thai and so is Jiu jitsu. You need to have all of them in the Bruce Lee perspective of integrating all the traditional martial arts into a real fighting style. Shotokan already has all the other styles integrated. Name one move that you think is not used in Shotokan and you will find it is. The only difference is that some of them are used only in minimal and more effective ways. They are all in there, you just haven't seen them all. In closing: HYyyyaa ! That finished it. :) OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: UFC Goons
Those UFC gorrilla goons are not even in the same league for speed, accuracy, and power, as true Shotokan. And half their stuff looks faked like Wrestling, otherwise, if it were remotely close to real, people would die using Shotokan for that UFC TV ratings kind of crap. I agree, You picked out two of the least technical fighters in UFC. But both are champions for another reason, heart. There have been Karate masters of all schools in the octagon. the ship of your argument has sailed over 10 years ago. Now no striking style or grappling style can exist in isolation. Those days are over. But that said, the Shotokan full contact fighters were true badass fighters. They just aren't magic badass fighters. I'm glad you checked out some UFC fighters. You picked two of the least technical strikers, but you see the effectiveness of getting good at a few techniques under pressure. Have you ever been put in a traditional Muay Thai, two hands behind your neck, clinch? I have. Mercifully it was not followed by the knees that meet your face as it is pulled down by the full force of a man's latimus dorsi muscles as the knee is kicked up. As I sparred in a Jiu Jitsu school with a guy with Muay Thai training I asked him about the famous Muay Thai clinch. He and I locked up. I was sure I could counter his moves. Next thing I knew I felt a supernatural pressure on my head and neck pulling it down. It was like a building pulling my head down and it happened in a split second. He raised his knee up at a quarter the speed to show me what I was heading for. It blew my mind. It all came on me so fast that I would have never seen it coming. Rich Franklin in the UFC clip you referred to had the same experience but the knee connected. It was skill that won that fight. The venerable tradition of Muay Thai fighting. I have nothing but respect for the Shotakan warriors who go full contact. They are true martial artists. And all the best of them are now training in ground fighting and other cross training if they want to continue to grow. There is a cloth of Brahman in martial arts now. It is woven out of the threads of individual arts. Shotakan is a legitimate thread. So is Muay Thai and so is Jiu jitsu. You need to have all of them in the Bruce Lee perspective of integrating all the traditional martial arts into a real fighting style. So Off, all respect to the great art of Shotakan karate. But not my only respect. That is reserved for an even harder collage of skills that are now being created in mixed martial arts dojos around the world. You don't have to be convinced. The world is moving on with or without you. But with your appreciation for these fighting arts, I hope you are able to move with the growth of a wonderful human sport. We have guns and missiles now when we want to kill someone. Martial arts are arts now. Beautiful arts practiced by tough guys who can train hard. I admire all of them, including the brave guys on the tape you showed me. There are some more technical strikers then the UFC guys you posted. but the guys I like the most have combined the best striking techniques with the best ground game. Those are the well-rounded fighters of the future. OffWorld
