[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!
SHE is the one who had to deal with it. Our breakup came when I started screaming at her one day and she started crying. I was so ashamed and apologized. She said it was OK, just that the screaming made her homesick... As I said, I am VERY glad she left. I have experienced people who formed their sense of normal in a deeply dysfunctional family. It doesn't feel "right" to them if there is harmony. They have to stir up antagonism to feel comfortable. I'll bet you are glad! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > > > Shit Spraig, you get more real by the minute. That sounds like a lot > > to deal with. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- Rick Archer wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It may be someone¹s karma to suffer, but > > > > > we don¹t have to choose to deliver > > > > > it to them. On the contrary, we can make > > > > > it our karma to relieve them of suffering. > > > > > > > > One of my big frustrations has been my seeming > > > > inability to refrain from kicking people bearing > > > > "kick me" attitudes. I don't have a recent example, > > > > so maybe it's one of those undesirable behaviors > > > > that has fallen away due to increasing light. Dunno. > > > > But do you know what I mean? Has anyone here > > > > ever seen that someone obviously *wanted* to feel > > > > like a victim - that it was part of their identity (that > > > > nefarious instrument of ignorance, one's identity) - > > > > and you couldn't help but fulfill their desire by > > > > picking on them? > > > > > > > > I've done that, and immediately thought, "Wait, > > > > that's not the kind of person I want to be." But > > > > too late. > > > > > > > > > > My ex-wife was like that. AFter two weeks, we called it quits. I saw > > her again many years > > > later and she sent me a 9-page letter detailing her life after she > > left. It was filled with > > > constant beatings, first from her Dad, then from her brother-in-law, > > and finally from her > > > recently-ex husband. She was living in a halfway house for abused > > women when we met > > > on the bus 5 years after the breakup. > > > > > > I am VERY glad that she left me... > > > > > > > SHE is the one who had to deal with it. Our breakup came when I started screaming at her > one day and she started crying. I was so ashamed and apologized. She said it was OK, just > that the screaming made her homesick... > > > As I said, I am VERY glad she left. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Shit Spraig, you get more real by the minute. That sounds like a lot > to deal with. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" > wrote: > > > > > > --- Rick Archer wrote: > > > > > > > > It may be someone¹s karma to suffer, but > > > > we don¹t have to choose to deliver > > > > it to them. On the contrary, we can make > > > > it our karma to relieve them of suffering. > > > > > > One of my big frustrations has been my seeming > > > inability to refrain from kicking people bearing > > > "kick me" attitudes. I don't have a recent example, > > > so maybe it's one of those undesirable behaviors > > > that has fallen away due to increasing light. Dunno. > > > But do you know what I mean? Has anyone here > > > ever seen that someone obviously *wanted* to feel > > > like a victim - that it was part of their identity (that > > > nefarious instrument of ignorance, one's identity) - > > > and you couldn't help but fulfill their desire by > > > picking on them? > > > > > > I've done that, and immediately thought, "Wait, > > > that's not the kind of person I want to be." But > > > too late. > > > > > > > My ex-wife was like that. AFter two weeks, we called it quits. I saw > her again many years > > later and she sent me a 9-page letter detailing her life after she > left. It was filled with > > constant beatings, first from her Dad, then from her brother-in-law, > and finally from her > > recently-ex husband. She was living in a halfway house for abused > women when we met > > on the bus 5 years after the breakup. > > > > I am VERY glad that she left me... > > > SHE is the one who had to deal with it. Our breakup came when I started screaming at her one day and she started crying. I was so ashamed and apologized. She said it was OK, just that the screaming made her homesick... As I said, I am VERY glad she left. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!
Shit Spraig, you get more real by the minute. That sounds like a lot to deal with. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" wrote: > > > > --- Rick Archer wrote: > > > > > > It may be someone¹s karma to suffer, but > > > we don¹t have to choose to deliver > > > it to them. On the contrary, we can make > > > it our karma to relieve them of suffering. > > > > One of my big frustrations has been my seeming > > inability to refrain from kicking people bearing > > "kick me" attitudes. I don't have a recent example, > > so maybe it's one of those undesirable behaviors > > that has fallen away due to increasing light. Dunno. > > But do you know what I mean? Has anyone here > > ever seen that someone obviously *wanted* to feel > > like a victim - that it was part of their identity (that > > nefarious instrument of ignorance, one's identity) - > > and you couldn't help but fulfill their desire by > > picking on them? > > > > I've done that, and immediately thought, "Wait, > > that's not the kind of person I want to be." But > > too late. > > > > My ex-wife was like that. AFter two weeks, we called it quits. I saw her again many years > later and she sent me a 9-page letter detailing her life after she left. It was filled with > constant beatings, first from her Dad, then from her brother-in-law, and finally from her > recently-ex husband. She was living in a halfway house for abused women when we met > on the bus 5 years after the breakup. > > I am VERY glad that she left me... > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- Rick Archer wrote: > > > > > > > > It may be someone¹s karma to suffer, but > > > > we don¹t have to choose to deliver > > > > it to them. On the contrary, we can make > > > > it our karma to relieve them of suffering. > > > > > > One of my big frustrations has been my seeming > > > inability to refrain from kicking people bearing > > > "kick me" attitudes. I don't have a recent example, > > > so maybe it's one of those undesirable behaviors > > > that has fallen away due to increasing light. Dunno. > > > But do you know what I mean? Has anyone here > > > ever seen that someone obviously *wanted* to feel > > > like a victim - that it was part of their identity (that > > > nefarious instrument of ignorance, one's identity) - > > > and you couldn't help but fulfill their desire by > > > picking on them? > > > > > > I've done that, and immediately thought, "Wait, > > > that's not the kind of person I want to be." But > > > too late. > > > > > > > Maybe they are witnessing it too? Brings to mind "unfathomable is the > > course of action". > > Humans usually have a choice of SOME kind unlike, say, cats. My son's cat had the habit of > jumping on top of the mouse-cage, trying to get in. We would spank it whenever it tried. > One-day, I found it poising for another jump and I snapped "DON'T." It whined and > jumped anyway. > That mouse-cage was a constant temptation for the cat... Tapas for sure :) JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" > wrote: > > > > --- Rick Archer wrote: > > > > > > It may be someone¹s karma to suffer, but > > > we don¹t have to choose to deliver > > > it to them. On the contrary, we can make > > > it our karma to relieve them of suffering. > > > > One of my big frustrations has been my seeming > > inability to refrain from kicking people bearing > > "kick me" attitudes. I don't have a recent example, > > so maybe it's one of those undesirable behaviors > > that has fallen away due to increasing light. Dunno. > > But do you know what I mean? Has anyone here > > ever seen that someone obviously *wanted* to feel > > like a victim - that it was part of their identity (that > > nefarious instrument of ignorance, one's identity) - > > and you couldn't help but fulfill their desire by > > picking on them? > > > > I've done that, and immediately thought, "Wait, > > that's not the kind of person I want to be." But > > too late. > > > > Maybe they are witnessing it too? Brings to mind "unfathomable is the > course of action". Humans usually have a choice of SOME kind unlike, say, cats. My son's cat had the habit of jumping on top of the mouse-cage, trying to get in. We would spank it whenever it tried. One-day, I found it poising for another jump and I snapped "DON'T." It whined and jumped anyway. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- Rick Archer wrote: > > > > It may be someone¹s karma to suffer, but > > we don¹t have to choose to deliver > > it to them. On the contrary, we can make > > it our karma to relieve them of suffering. > > One of my big frustrations has been my seeming > inability to refrain from kicking people bearing > "kick me" attitudes. I don't have a recent example, > so maybe it's one of those undesirable behaviors > that has fallen away due to increasing light. Dunno. > But do you know what I mean? Has anyone here > ever seen that someone obviously *wanted* to feel > like a victim - that it was part of their identity (that > nefarious instrument of ignorance, one's identity) - > and you couldn't help but fulfill their desire by > picking on them? > > I've done that, and immediately thought, "Wait, > that's not the kind of person I want to be." But > too late. > My ex-wife was like that. AFter two weeks, we called it quits. I saw her again many years later and she sent me a 9-page letter detailing her life after she left. It was filled with constant beatings, first from her Dad, then from her brother-in-law, and finally from her recently-ex husband. She was living in a halfway house for abused women when we met on the bus 5 years after the breakup. I am VERY glad that she left me... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- Rick Archer wrote: > > > > It may be someone¹s karma to suffer, but > > we don¹t have to choose to deliver > > it to them. On the contrary, we can make > > it our karma to relieve them of suffering. > > One of my big frustrations has been my seeming > inability to refrain from kicking people bearing > "kick me" attitudes. I don't have a recent example, > so maybe it's one of those undesirable behaviors > that has fallen away due to increasing light. Dunno. > But do you know what I mean? Has anyone here > ever seen that someone obviously *wanted* to feel > like a victim - that it was part of their identity (that > nefarious instrument of ignorance, one's identity) - > and you couldn't help but fulfill their desire by > picking on them? > > I've done that, and immediately thought, "Wait, > that's not the kind of person I want to be." But > too late. > Maybe they are witnessing it too? Brings to mind "unfathomable is the course of action". JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!
--- Rick Archer wrote: > > It may be someone¹s karma to suffer, but > we don¹t have to choose to deliver > it to them. On the contrary, we can make > it our karma to relieve them of suffering. One of my big frustrations has been my seeming inability to refrain from kicking people bearing "kick me" attitudes. I don't have a recent example, so maybe it's one of those undesirable behaviors that has fallen away due to increasing light. Dunno. But do you know what I mean? Has anyone here ever seen that someone obviously *wanted* to feel like a victim - that it was part of their identity (that nefarious instrument of ignorance, one's identity) - and you couldn't help but fulfill their desire by picking on them? I've done that, and immediately thought, "Wait, that's not the kind of person I want to be." But too late. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH! on 8/20/06 5:13 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Nazis chose to act the way they did. This wasn't some natural disaster with no direct > connection to human actions. If the Nazis were the "Instrument of Karma" it was because > they WANTED to be. Bingo! Excellent point! It may be someone’s karma to suffer, but we don’t have to choose to deliver it to them. On the contrary, we can make it our karma to relieve them of suffering. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I think Jehova chose them to punish Israel, because they were such > > > > A-holes, or stuff. Wasn't that near destruction of Israel even > > > > predicted in the Bible? > > > > > > Right, including hundreds of thousands of children > > > who weren't old enough to have become A-holes yet. > > > > What?! How can "they" refer to a singular noun "Israel"? > > At least the more likely antecedent should IMO be "them". > > Perhaps a native speaker of English perceives that > > differently... > > I meant of course that Nazis were A-holes. But OTOH > > those babies had been old enough several times to accumulate > > enough bad karma to be treated like that. > > It's weird that many people seem to think the laws of karma > > don't apply to Jews. > > > > See my remarks to Judy. If you want to speculate about your own past lives, that's one > thing, but to speculate about the past lives of other people in this context is stupid. The > Nazis chose to act the way they did. This wasn't some natural disaster with no direct > connection to human actions. If the Nazis were the "Instrument of Karma" it was because > they WANTED to be. Bingo! Excellent point! JohnY > > > > > > > I find your comments thoroughly disgusting, disgraceful, > > > and offensive. > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > This is the here-and-now and the Nazis certainly did not need > to "assume the karmic > > burden" of the Jews. That is the NAZI'S problem. If there was such > a burden, perhaps an > > earthquake would have done the job just as well, so it's not like > the Nazis were the > > innocent tool of the Laws of Karma or something. > > > > Can't resist: > > http://www.ccel.org/c/calvin/comment3/comm_vol18/htm/vii.xii.htm > > That the Jews then might know that they were chastised by God's > hand and by his just vengeance, it was necessary that this should > have been declared to them: and therefore he speaks now of the > Chaldeans and then of God himself, whose agents the Chaldeans were, > for they were guided by his hand. He said before, "Will iron break > the iron from the north?" This we, have explained of the Chaldeans: > but now he turns to God himself, the author of the calamity brought > on the Jews: for the Chaldeans could have done nothing, except > through his guidance and direction. Commentary on Jeremiah 14:15 by John Calvin. And in any case, an obvious non sequitur in this context. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > during the holocaust period: > > > > > > For the goal of total and systematic; > > > > > > Elimination of all European Jews, > > > > > > circa. 20th century. 1933-1945. > > > > > > R.G. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry to say this, but in my understanding, > > > > > according to the Bhagavad-giitaa, the only reason > > > > > for that must've been the collective(?) karma of those > > > > > Jewish people. :( > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very kind of the Nazis to decide to assume the karmic burden of > > > those Jews... > > > > > > > > > > I think Jehova chose them to punish Israel, because they were such > > > A-holes, or stuff. Wasn't that near destruction of Israel even > > > predicted in the Bible? > > > > Right, including hundreds of thousands of children > > who weren't old enough to have become A-holes yet. > > > > I find your comments thoroughly disgusting, disgraceful, > > and offensive. > > > > The first comment was mine and it was meant to be ironic/sarcastic. Assigning blame to > the victims due to past-life transgression is futile at best, and reflects badly on the > speaker. By that perspective, ALL events with no immediate cause are due to past-life > issues. It isn't worth mentioning save as a personal joke (ie.e I really pissed off a powerful > Chinese sorceror in my last life). > > That said, there was one Jewish scholar of the Very Old School of Judaism (which believes > in reincarnation) who speculated that the Holocaust WAS due to past- life issues, but his > reputation was ruined. REgardless of any validity of the issue, it's just not worth bringing > up. This is the here-and-now and the Nazis certainly did not need to "assume the karmic > burden" of the Jews. That is the NAZI'S problem. If there was such a burden, perhaps an > earthquake would have done the job just as well, so it's not like the Nazis were the > innocent tool of the Laws of Karma or something. > Can't resist: http://www.ccel.org/c/calvin/comment3/comm_vol18/htm/vii.xii.htm That the Jews then might know that they were chastised by God's hand and by his just vengeance, it was necessary that this should have been declared to them: and therefore he speaks now of the Chaldeans and then of God himself, whose agents the Chaldeans were, for they were guided by his hand. He said before, "Will iron break the iron from the north?" This we, have explained of the Chaldeans: but now he turns to God himself, the author of the calamity brought on the Jews: for the Chaldeans could have done nothing, except through his guidance and direction. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > during the holocaust period: > > > > > > For the goal of total and systematic; > > > > > > Elimination of all European Jews, > > > > > > circa. 20th century. 1933-1945. > > > > > > R.G. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry to say this, but in my understanding, > > > > > according to the Bhagavad-giitaa, the only reason > > > > > for that must've been the collective(?) karma of those > > > > > Jewish people. :( > > > > > > > > Very kind of the Nazis to decide to assume the karmic burden > > > > of those Jews... > > > > > > I think Jehova chose them to punish Israel, because they were > > > such A-holes, or stuff. Wasn't that near destruction of Israel > > > even predicted in the Bible? > > > > Right, including hundreds of thousands of children > > who weren't old enough to have become A-holes yet. > > > > I find your comments thoroughly disgusting, disgraceful, > > and offensive. > > The first comment was mine and it was meant to be ironic/sarcastic. I know. I was responding specifically to cardemeister, not you. > Assigning blame to the victims due to past-life transgression is > futile at best, and reflects badly on the speaker. Total agreement. > By that perspective, ALL events with no immediate cause are due to > past-life issues. It isn't worth mentioning save as a personal joke > (ie.e I really pissed off a powerful Chinese sorceror in my last > life). > > That said, there was one Jewish scholar of the Very Old School of > Judaism (which believes in reincarnation) who speculated that the > Holocaust WAS due to past-life issues, but his reputation was > ruined. As it should have been. REgardless of any validity of the issue, it's just not > worth bringing up. This is the here-and-now and the Nazis certainly > did not need to "assume the karmic burden" of the Jews. That is the > NAZI'S problem. If there was such a burden, perhaps an earthquake > would have done the job just as well, so it's not like the Nazis > were the innocent tool of the Laws of Karma or something. Well put. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > during the holocaust period: > > > > > For the goal of total and systematic; > > > > > Elimination of all European Jews, > > > > > circa. 20th century. 1933-1945. > > > > > R.G. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry to say this, but in my understanding, > > > > according to the Bhagavad-giitaa, the only reason > > > > for that must've been the collective(?) karma of those > > > > Jewish people. :( > > > > > > > > > > Very kind of the Nazis to decide to assume the karmic burden of > > those Jews... > > > > > > > I think Jehova chose them to punish Israel, because they were such > > A-holes, or stuff. Wasn't that near destruction of Israel even > > predicted in the Bible? > > Right, including hundreds of thousands of children > who weren't old enough to have become A-holes yet. > > I find your comments thoroughly disgusting, disgraceful, > and offensive. > The first comment was mine and it was meant to be ironic/sarcastic. Assigning blame to the victims due to past-life transgression is futile at best, and reflects badly on the speaker. By that perspective, ALL events with no immediate cause are due to past-life issues. It isn't worth mentioning save as a personal joke (ie.e I really pissed off a powerful Chinese sorceror in my last life). That said, there was one Jewish scholar of the Very Old School of Judaism (which believes in reincarnation) who speculated that the Holocaust WAS due to past-life issues, but his reputation was ruined. REgardless of any validity of the issue, it's just not worth bringing up. This is the here-and-now and the Nazis certainly did not need to "assume the karmic burden" of the Jews. That is the NAZI'S problem. If there was such a burden, perhaps an earthquake would have done the job just as well, so it's not like the Nazis were the innocent tool of the Laws of Karma or something. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > I think Jehova chose them to punish Israel, because they were such > > > A-holes, or stuff. Wasn't that near destruction of Israel even > > > predicted in the Bible? > > > > Right, including hundreds of thousands of children > > who weren't old enough to have become A-holes yet. > > What?! How can "they" refer to a singular noun "Israel"? > At least the more likely antecedent should IMO be "them". > Perhaps a native speaker of English perceives that > differently... > I meant of course that Nazis were A-holes. But OTOH > those babies had been old enough several times to accumulate > enough bad karma to be treated like that. > It's weird that many people seem to think the laws of karma > don't apply to Jews. > See my remarks to Judy. If you want to speculate about your own past lives, that's one thing, but to speculate about the past lives of other people in this context is stupid. The Nazis chose to act the way they did. This wasn't some natural disaster with no direct connection to human actions. If the Nazis were the "Instrument of Karma" it was because they WANTED to be. > > > > I find your comments thoroughly disgusting, disgraceful, > > and offensive. > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > during the holocaust period: > > > > For the goal of total and systematic; > > > > Elimination of all European Jews, > > > > circa. 20th century. 1933-1945. > > > > R.G. > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry to say this, but in my understanding, > > > according to the Bhagavad-giitaa, the only reason > > > for that must've been the collective(?) karma of those > > > Jewish people. :( > > > > > > > Very kind of the Nazis to decide to assume the karmic burden of > those Jews... > > > > I think Jehova chose them to punish Israel, because they were such A- > holes, or stuff. Wasn't that near destruction of Israel even > predicted in the Bible? > Yeah, but I was being ironic. Besides, most people think that the destruction happened ages ago, unless you're talking about some New Testament prophecy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > So you can take your despicable anti-Semitic > speculations and stick 'em where the sun don't > shine. > OK then. No big deal! :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > I think Jehova chose them to punish Israel, because they were such > > > A-holes, or stuff. Wasn't that near destruction of Israel even > > > predicted in the Bible? > > > > Right, including hundreds of thousands of children > > who weren't old enough to have become A-holes yet. > > What?! How can "they" refer to a singular noun "Israel"? > At least the more likely antecedent should IMO be "them". > Perhaps a native speaker of English perceives that > differently... > I meant of course that Nazis were A-holes. But OTOH > those babies had been old enough several times to accumulate > enough bad karma to be treated like that. > It's weird that many people seem to think the laws of karma > don't apply to Jews. In the first place, why do you assume they were Jews in their past lives? In the second place, not only is it none of our damn business whether it was their karma or not, we can't possibly know what was involved. For all we know, these were all very highly evolved people who were on the verge of enlightenment who had chosen one last really tough lifetime to get rid of their remaining karma all at one go before their final liberation. What's appropriate for human beans is to mourn the senseless slaughter of 6 million innocents and do our damndest to keep it from happening again, to anybody--period. So you can take your despicable anti-Semitic speculations and stick 'em where the sun don't shine. > > > > > I find your comments thoroughly disgusting, disgraceful, > > and offensive. > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I think Jehova chose them to punish Israel, because they were such > > A-holes, or stuff. Wasn't that near destruction of Israel even > > predicted in the Bible? > > Right, including hundreds of thousands of children > who weren't old enough to have become A-holes yet. What?! How can "they" refer to a singular noun "Israel"? At least the more likely antecedent should IMO be "them". Perhaps a native speaker of English perceives that differently... I meant of course that Nazis were A-holes. But OTOH those babies had been old enough several times to accumulate enough bad karma to be treated like that. It's weird that many people seem to think the laws of karma don't apply to Jews. > > I find your comments thoroughly disgusting, disgraceful, > and offensive. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > during the holocaust period: > > > > For the goal of total and systematic; > > > > Elimination of all European Jews, > > > > circa. 20th century. 1933-1945. > > > > R.G. > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry to say this, but in my understanding, > > > according to the Bhagavad-giitaa, the only reason > > > for that must've been the collective(?) karma of those > > > Jewish people. :( > > > > > > > Very kind of the Nazis to decide to assume the karmic burden of > those Jews... > > > > I think Jehova chose them to punish Israel, because they were such > A-holes, or stuff. Wasn't that near destruction of Israel even > predicted in the Bible? Right, including hundreds of thousands of children who weren't old enough to have become A-holes yet. I find your comments thoroughly disgusting, disgraceful, and offensive. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > > wrote: > > > > > > during the holocaust period: > > > For the goal of total and systematic; > > > Elimination of all European Jews, > > > circa. 20th century. 1933-1945. > > > R.G. > > > > > > > I'm sorry to say this, but in my understanding, > > according to the Bhagavad-giitaa, the only reason > > for that must've been the collective(?) karma of those > > Jewish people. :( > > > > Very kind of the Nazis to decide to assume the karmic burden of those Jews... > I think Jehova chose them to punish Israel, because they were such A- holes, or stuff. Wasn't that near destruction of Israel even predicted in the Bible? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > wrote: > > > > during the holocaust period: > > For the goal of total and systematic; > > Elimination of all European Jews, > > circa. 20th century. 1933-1945. > > R.G. > > > > I'm sorry to say this, but in my understanding, > according to the Bhagavad-giitaa, the only reason > for that must've been the collective(?) karma of those > Jewish people. :( > Very kind of the Nazis to decide to assume the karmic burden of those Jews... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister > wrote: > > > > > > Shalom, Israel! :/ > > > Here is a common prayer in Hebrew and English: > > 'Shamah Yisrael Adonoi Elohaynu, Adonoi Ehudh' > Here, oh Israel, The Lord is One. >(Unity Consciousness) > Here's another transliteration I found by googling: Hear, O Israel (Shema Yisrael): The Lord our God (Adonai Eloheinu), the Lord is one (Adonai Ehad). Deuteronomy (Humash Devarim) 6:4. ... I guess "eloheinu" means 'our God'. Perhaps it's - so to speak - the plural "elohim" with some kind of possessive suffix. If the last phrase was "elohim ehad", it would be really cool! > This prayer was said, by many Jews; > I was told; > By an Israeli friend, whom, I met on TTC in Avoriaz, France, 1977. > Mordachai, also told me that it was a final prayer; > For many in the final moment of death; > during the holocaust period: > For the goal of total and systematic; > Elimination of all European Jews, > circa. 20th century. 1933-1945. > R.G. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > wrote: > > > > during the holocaust period: > > For the goal of total and systematic; > > Elimination of all European Jews, > > circa. 20th century. 1933-1945. > > R.G. > > > > I'm sorry to say this, but in my understanding, > according to the Bhagavad-giitaa, the only reason > for that must've been the collective(?) karma of those > Jewish people. :( > 18 Jehovah is slow to anger, and abundant in lovingkindness, forgiving iniquity and transgression; and that will by no means clear the guilty , visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, upon the third and upon the fourth generation. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > during the holocaust period: > For the goal of total and systematic; > Elimination of all European Jews, > circa. 20th century. 1933-1945. > R.G. > I'm sorry to say this, but in my understanding, according to the Bhagavad-giitaa, the only reason for that must've been the collective(?) karma of those Jewish people. :( To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister > wrote: > > > > > > Shalom, Israel! :/ > > > Here is a common prayer in Hebrew and English: > > 'Shamah Yisrael Adonoi Elohaynu, Adonoi Ehudh' > Here, oh Israel, The Lord is One. (Sorry) this should say: 'Hear Oh Israel, The Lord is One.' >(Unity Consciousness) [or that consciousness itself, is the basis of all. and the more pure consciousness is established; On a daily basis, in the dome, on the course, or wherever you happen to be; It always comes back to how much as M puts it: How much the 'cloth is colorfast; by coloring and putting it in the sun. The breadth and width of pure consciousness established. Is the goal. Not any particular sutra, or power, or anything. Just awareness constantly, of your own self, inside. Expanded, pure, and unbounded in time and space.] continuing knowledge of this Jewish prayer: > This prayer was said, by many Jews; > I was told; >My Israeli friend, told me on TTC in 1977. > Mordachai, (my Israel friend)- also told me that; It was a final prayer; > For many in the final moment, before death; > in the holocaust period: > > R.G. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Shalom, Israel! :/ > Here is a common prayer in Hebrew and English: 'Shamah Yisrael Adonoi Elohaynu, Adonoi Ehudh' Here, oh Israel, The Lord is One. (Unity Consciousness) This prayer was said, by many Jews; I was told; By an Israeli friend, whom, I met on TTC in Avoriaz, France, 1977. Mordachai, also told me that it was a final prayer; For many in the final moment of death; during the holocaust period: For the goal of total and systematic; Elimination of all European Jews, circa. 20th century. 1933-1945. R.G. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
